From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me04.mx.aol.com (rly-me04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.38]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME041-9b34b1f5bb9361; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 03:11:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME047-9b34b1f5bb9361; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 03:11:38 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIHcm-0008T4-T6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:10:16 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIHcm-0008Sv-1r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:10:16 +0000 Received: from mbox1.netikka.net ([213.250.81.202]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIHck-0005hp-8t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:10:15 +0000 Received: from tupu.netikka.net (tupu [172.16.83.90]) by mbox1-feedback.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82D6027170F for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 10:10:08 +0200 (EET) Received: from imp1.netikka.net (imp1.netikka.net [213.250.85.154]) by tupu.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68B404B005F for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 10:10:08 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imp1.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A3D9495BB1 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 10:10:08 +0200 (EET) Received: from proxy.wartsila.com (proxy.wartsila.com [194.251.142.28]) by imp.netikka.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:10:08 +0200 Message-ID: <1260346208.4b1f5b607631a@imp.netikka.net> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:10:08 +0200 From: Paul-Henrik To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1260202597.4b1d2a65f3b5c@imp.netikka.net> <006d01ca785c$c99a08c0$3ab27cbc@ap6fnsa53r3k6h> In-Reply-To: <006d01ca785c$c99a08c0$3ab27cbc@ap6fnsa53r3k6h> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 194.251.142.28 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Broadcast audio splatter on 136kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) LF Marcin, Jacek , Alan, Victor Thank you all for your kind input and advice. I'm still investigating the= causes of this problem. I chose to sum up my comments in one reply: >Paul-Henrik gave two frequencies: 171kHz and 225kHz (i can't see how they >can give around 135.4kHz via mixing, so there is probably a third station >involved). I also couldn't find any logical relationship in these two frequencies. I'= ve been hunting "duplicates" of the programmes running on 171 and 225 kHz and= for 171 kHz I have found at least two duplicates in the MW-band. One is 135 kH= z above the very strong 630 kHz (but 630 kHz audio is not present in the pha= ntom signal and this could theoretically be one reason). However, for the stron= ger phantom signal similar to the audio on 225kHz I have not found any other frequencies. Is there a remote possibility for 3 x 225 kHz -/+ 135 kHz to generate a mixing product with fully intelligeble audio of the 225 kHz sig= nal on 135 kHz? >Hi Paul-Henrik, You could be right about it being ICM (or "luxembourg eff= ect" >on Lakihegy. If so you should hear or see the "telegrams that Lakihegy se= nds >on the "splatter as well. If it is ICM (Ionosphereic Cross Modulation) th= en >the BC "victim" is probably on approximately the same bearing as Lakihegy= and >not more than 20 30 degrees off line. It is possible that other in differ= enct >areas may hear a different BC station I don't recognize the Lakihegy telegrams riding on the "splatter". Perhaps= my usage of the term splatter is incorrect here, after all it is the high frequencies of the USB signal I'm hearing. Lakihegy and 225kHz do line up= quite well as seen from here. > I forwarded my friends engineers from Solec Kujawski about your problem. This is very kind of you. However I hope they understand there are no hard= facts at this moment pointing to a fault at their end. >same situation here,also on a passive T ant and tunable bandfilter with >different receivers,not very strong.. Victor, do you specifically hear the same BC-source(s) as I do? BR Paul-Henrik, OH1LSQ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (rly-dc07.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.36]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC041-b2f4b17d8ea1d9; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:27:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC073-b2f4b17d8ea1d9; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:27:39 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGDZt-0002Qj-HR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:26:45 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGDZt-0002Qa-3s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:26:45 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate05.web.de ([217.72.192.243]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGDZq-0006Bf-P3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:26:45 +0000 Received: from web.de by fmmailgate05.web.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D9715CDE232 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 16:26:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from [88.77.215.144] by freemailng2503.web.de with HTTP; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 16:26:36 +0100 Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 16:26:36 +0100 Message-Id: <1516926426@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?iso-8859-15?Q?Horst_St=F6cker?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-Provags-Id: V01U2FsdGVkX19pEt94A7Z49hCWs0QaTPGIe91Q2069nzDPbIHT0iaT1W611 cfT3M99krDDwvBEbWvB1cNEoJ8l5+orVyR6zNaPTFi+onLEku+aoxcDz52JD g== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: QRM by the Waterfall Display Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello all, still preparing for 136 kHz and 500 kHz RECEPTION I installed a T-Antenna= (about 10m high with a 20m wire as top) to my selective level meter mv-62= . DCF 37 as reference is more than strong enough. WRW (NDB Wrozlaw) was hear= d on 525 kHz, some other NDB too. But usually the weak HAM signals in this= bands can not be heard/seen because of too much QRM. One of the ugliest QRM sources is the waterfall display of ARGO which can= be heard much to loud. The QRM is really HF, not a problem of the soundcard. I have Siemens Thinkpad Laptop. Does anyone know this effect?? Horst ____________________________________________________________________ Sarah Kreuz, die DSDS-Siegerin der Herzen, mit ihrem eindrucksvollen Deb=FCtalbum "One Moment in Time". http://produkte.web.de/go/05/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME044-9c54b244c9a73; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:08:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME071-9c54b244c9a73; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:08:28 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJdrb-0005hZ-2V for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 02:07:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJdra-0005hQ-NK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 02:07:10 +0000 Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com ([64.12.100.31]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJdrn-0003jC-5L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 02:07:25 +0000 Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nBD27Aqf015480 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:07:10 -0500 Received: from F4DTL@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.d20.5f785a31 (14457) for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:07:08 -0500 (EST) From: F4DTL@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:02:10 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5029 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: F4DTL@aol.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: WE2XGR/6 loud and clear in F on 507.2kHz Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_d20.5f785a31.3855a522_boundary" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --part1_d20.5f785a31.3855a522_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1260669729" -------------------------------1260669729 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Loud signal here...CW beacon F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP RX : Icom IC7400 Ant: Wellbrook LFL 1010 -------------------------------1260669729 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Loud signal here...CW beacon
 
F4DTL=20 Nicolas JN18FP

RX : Icom IC7400
Ant: Wellbrook LFL=20 1010

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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 19:18:17 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: TX-2200A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163600d8b691e0bb047a508d7d X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d299.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00163600d8b691e0bb047a508d7d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To quote the data sheet : "*The TX-2200A * *lets you turn the clock back and explore long waves,* *but with technology that the early pioneers could not* *even dream of. In a package around the same size as* *many transceivers this little gem of engineering will* *provide up to 100 Watts of output power.*" With a CW only option and if it really is a VFO, resulting poor stability its just an appalingingly ludicrous joke. And anyone buying such just deserves the contempt they'll get using it. LF was alwatys considered to be the last bastion of real homebrew and experiimentation. Rant over. But kudos to the manufacturer if they can exploit the gullible :-) I wonder if its a rip-off of any designs published in the open literature here There have been quite a few 100 Watt 137 transmitters weblicised -= who will be the first to claim his copyright infringements. My 700 Watt Class D Tx http://www.g4jnt.com/137tx.pdf probably would cost in the region of =A330 - =A340 buying most of the components, but wit= hout the DDS driver. Never really priced it as new - everything came from the junkbox. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police 2009/12/9 Warren Ziegler : > Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 > Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver > muting. > Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! > > http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf > > > > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > --00163600d8b691e0bb047a508d7d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To quote the data sheet :
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"The TX-2200A
lets you turn the clock back and explore long waves,
but with technology that the early pioneers could not
even dream of. In a package around the same size as
many transceivers this little gem of engineering will
provide up to 100 Watts of output power."
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With a CW only option and if it really is a VFO, resulting poor stabi= lity =A0its just an appalingingly ludicrous joke. =A0 And anyone buying su= ch just deserves the contempt they'll get using it.
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LF was alwatys considered to be the last bastion of real homebrew and= experiimentation.
Rant over.
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But kudos to the manufacturer if they can exploit the gullible :-)=A0= =A0=A0 I wonder if its a rip-off of any designs published in the open lite= rature here=A0 There have been quite a few 100 Watt 137 transmitters=A0web= licised - who will be the first to claim his copyright infringements.
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My 700 Watt Class D Tx=A0=A0 =A0http://www.g4jnt.com/137tx.pdf=A0 probably would cost in the reg= ion of =A330 - =A340 buying most of the components, but without the DDS dr= iver.=A0 Never really priced it as new -=A0everything came from the junkbo= x.
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Andy
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2009/12/9 Warren Ziegler <wd2x= gj@gmail.com>:
> Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A= 100
> Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiv= er
> muting.
> Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP!
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> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WE2XEB/2
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--00163600d8b691e0bb047a508d7d-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da08.mx.aol.com (rly-da08.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.82]) by air-da07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA071-a834b22a03c69; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:40:59 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA083-a834b22a03c69; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:40:46 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJBKt-0001Jw-2x for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:39:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJBKs-0001Jn-O4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:39:30 +0000 Received: from warsl404pip6.highway.telekom.at ([195.3.96.89] helo=email.aon.at) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJBKs-0002wk-3K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:39:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 28259 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2009 19:39:24 -0000 Received: from 188-23-78-30.adsl.highway.telekom.at (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([188.23.78.30]) (envelope-sender ) by smarthub96.highway.telekom.at (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 11 Dec 2009 19:39:23 -0000 From: Gerhard Hickl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <14D807D90C0B0D1D3365@kabelmail.de> References: <14D807D90C0B0D1D3365@kabelmail.de> Disposition-Notification-To: gerhard.hickl@aon.at Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:39:23 +0100 Message-ID: <1260560363.3549.2.camel@gerhard-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: QRH Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Uwe! You're right.....but if you don't open the window once a while it becomes very sticky inside...right? cheers from Austria es AWDH OE§GHB Am Freitag, den 11.12.2009, 14:29 +0000 schrieb Uwe Jannsen: > Hi all, > I guess the window of the shack has been opened. > pse see: > > http://dj8wx-dl.de/capt211 > > regards > Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.15]) by air-di08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI084-eb694b38f94d6f; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:30:37 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B9D143800017A; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:30:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPKLT-0006WF-9Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:29:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPKLS-0006W6-Rx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:29:30 +0000 Received: from smtpa1.mediabeam.com ([194.25.41.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPKLQ-0007rL-6u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:29:30 +0000 Received: from r300-1 (balancer4.mediabeam.com [194.25.41.40]) by smtpa1.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nBSITKUS024280 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 19:29:20 +0100 From: "uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de" To: Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 19:29:16 Message-ID: <1B6007D90C1C121D10304@kabelmail.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-PRIORITY: 3 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,INVALID_DATE=1.76 Subject: Re: LF: CPM, WX 28/12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600f4b38f94c6650 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Andrey, thanks for the capt. in addition I did see the signs on your grabber. have fun, Andrey and GL. Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv -------- Kabel E-Mail Reply --------------- From: rn3agc@mail.ru To : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: 28.12.2009 09:09:19 Hello Henny, Uwe, LF, capture last night: CPM at 2.20 WX at 2.50 73 Andrey From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (rly-mf04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.174]) by air-mf05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF053-9564b16cc911ce; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:22:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF044-9564b16cc911ce; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:22:42 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFvhk-0007Tr-Ms for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:21:40 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFvhk-0007Ti-4P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:21:40 +0000 Received: from warsl404pip1.highway.telekom.at ([195.3.96.112] helo=email.aon.at) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFvhi-0008Al-I9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:21:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 17980 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2009 20:21:31 -0000 Received: from 91-115-176-220.adsl.highway.telekom.at (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([91.115.176.220]) (envelope-sender ) by smarthub94.highway.telekom.at (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 2 Dec 2009 20:21:31 -0000 From: Gerhard Hickl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <254102CCC310104CA9DA9DA31EBD03CE02CEB57D58@exlnmb06.eur.nsroot.net> References: <254102CCC310104CA9DA9DA31EBD03CE02CEB57D58@exlnmb06.eur.nsroot.net> Disposition-Notification-To: gerhard.hickl@aon.at Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:21:31 +0100 Message-ID: <1259785291.3650.22.camel@gerhard-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: OE3GHB on 137KHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Servus Marco! Thank you for you report. My TX makes about 35W of antenna-input and I modified the RX/TX switching today. The purpose of this test was to find out if there are any "clicks" or some other sort of bad signals present in the transmission. I looked at DF6NM, but there my signal was hardly visible today. On the other hand I was very well visible on the grabber of SQ5BPF in Warsaw. I just discussed this issue with OE5ODL, Ossi. Anyways, thank you again for you report. AWDH es 73 de OE3GHB Gerhard Am Mittwoch, den 02.12.2009, 19:54 +0000 schrieb Scholz, Marco : > Hello, > Good copy of OE3GHB around 137.712KHz. > Weak copy of Mike, XDV on 136.310KHz. > > vy73 > Marco > DD7PC, JN49ax > FT857,Preamp and Miniwhip From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc05.mx.aol.com (rly-dc05.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.34]) by air-dc05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC054-b204b18078d143; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:46:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC054-b204b18078d143; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:46:39 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGGgQ-0003Ul-60 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:45:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGGgP-0003Uc-Q4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:45:41 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGGgP-0007VL-9L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:45:41 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 482C251C00C; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 19:45:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45535F3862; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 19:45:32 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 004C218056; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 19:45:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from 204.148-182-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (204.148-182-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [91.182.148.204]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:45:31 +0100 Message-ID: <20091203194531.or926chzk844g4k8@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:45:31 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" , Roelof Bakker References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B16987B.9000002@usa.net> <4B179DE6.3050608@usa.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 91.182.148.204 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Roelof, I cannot agree, a Belgian beer can will provide at least 10dB better SNR ;-) Now serious: I have been thinking about a simple but good RX antenna for LF, MF and the lower HF range and you mini-whip seems the right solution. But will the preamp survive when pumping a few 100W into my 500kHz TX antenna (lazy-L) that will be only 25m away ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Roelof Bakker : > Hello Alberto, > > I am not much in beer myself, but there seems to be a famous Dutch brand, > that I can recommend! > > 73, > Roelof, pa0rdt > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (rly-dg03.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.87]) by air-dg03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG033-5b44b36497638b; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 12:35:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG035-5b44b36497638b; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 12:35:52 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOaXC-0005te-Dw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:34:34 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOaXB-0005tV-W0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:34:34 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOaX9-0005O8-UK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:34:33 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE1F51C004 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:34:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53180F3862 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:34:16 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 7317A18056; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:34:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from 114.21-180-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (114.21-180-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [91.180.21.114]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:34:15 +0100 Message-ID: <20091226183415.2n58wvwb40w80440@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:34:15 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <6EFC885C8DAB4DC3A8454505BAF5D3A7@ns94d01ae4d850> <1261823989.6451.9.camel@vaio3rd> <1EE1D37E49A445A0A1CE9703C17EECCF@AGB> In-Reply-To: <1EE1D37E49A445A0A1CE9703C17EECCF@AGB> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 91.180.21.114 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beacon received at 503kHz. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Graham, Rick, Bob, I guess that when the CW id of a WSPR station is audible there should =20 be solid copy in WSPR. But, as mentioned by Bob, WSPR 2.0 was used to transmit the unusual =20 WD2XSH/37 callsign. I noticed that older version of WSPR do not copy =20 this properly, even when the signal is strong. I have been running WSPR2 and WSPR1.1 simultaniously for some days =20 (the first spotting as ON7YD the other as OR7T) and noticed that =20 WD2XSH/37 produced all kinds of odd messages with WSPR1.1. WSPR2 =20 decodes OK. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Graham : > Rick, > > Looks like wd2x .. was the station .. you can check what stations= are > operating at : http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/spots > > 2009-12-24 03:38 WD2XSH/37 0.503912 -26 0 FN42fo 2 ON7YD > JO20ix 5615 52 > > G.. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Rick Wakatori" <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> > Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 10:39 AM > To: > Subject: LF: "WA" beacon received at 503kHz. > >> >> Using WSPR, I heard "WA" beacon in CW or QRSS at around 503kHz. >> The signal was visible on the screen during last night. >> Please let me know the callsign and the QTH? >> Rick >> -- >> -.. . --... .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-. >> 7L1RLL under ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP) >> URL=3Dhttp://www1.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html >> -..--- -.- .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-... ...-. >> >> >> > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me01.mx.aol.com (rly-me01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.34]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME041-9984b2752a060; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 04:11:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME014-9984b2752a060; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 04:10:59 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKTO6-00089G-LE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:08:10 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKTO6-000897-2H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:08:10 +0000 Received: from psmtp12.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.24]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKTPe-00010t-5S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:09:48 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp12.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KUO001G0S40MN@psmtp12.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:09:37 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:09:27 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: : ra3yo 15-12.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_pXJQktUsQ6FhsKw6MBlfkg)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --Boundary_(ID_pXJQktUsQ6FhsKw6MBlfkg) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_fCwwHYJPtM5/50/qSgGRVg)" --Boundary_(ID_fCwwHYJPtM5/50/qSgGRVg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi LF, capture ra3yo henny pa3cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: ra3yo 15-12.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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<16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D437096EE5CE@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> References: <254102CCC310104CA9DA9DA31EBD03CE02CF20829E@exlnmb06.eur.nsroot.net> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB x-wiganss: 01000000010017exlnht01.eur.nsroot.net ID0044<16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D437096EE5CE@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 172.27.136.25 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: FW: Re: LF: Re: qso HB9ASB - DD7PC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D437096EE5CEexlnmb01eurns_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_000_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D437096EE5CEexlnmb01eurns_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hallo Toni, very happy! Vielen Dank f=FCr Sked und das QSO. Ging ganz ausgezeichnet. ebenfalls ein sch=F6nes Wcohenende vy73 Marco DD7PC ________________________________ From: Anton B=E4rtschi [mailto:hb9asb@gmail.com] Sent: 04 December 2009 20:42 To: Scholz, Marco [ICG-IT]; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: FW: Re: LF: Re: qso UFB lieber Marco, Danke f=FCr das QSO und ein sch=F6nes Wochenende. 73 de Toni 2009/12/3 Scholz, Marco > Hallo Toni, vielen Dank f=FCr den Sked. Ich bin mal gespannt. Wetter scheint ja mitzus= pielen. Gru=DF, vy73 Marco, DD7PC ________________________________ From: Anton B=E4rtschi [mailto:hb9asb@gmail.com] Sent: 03 December 2009 16:20 To: Scholz, Marco [ICG-IT]; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: Re: LF: Re: qso Hallo Marco Werde ab 20:00 MEZ in QRS3 CQ rufen und nach Dir Ausschau halten. Es w=FCr= de mich auch freuen, wenn's klappen w=FCrde. 73 de Toni, HB9ASB 2009/12/1 Scholz, Marco > Hallo Toni, Ich werde am Freitag auch QRV sein. Wuerde mich ueber ein QSO mit dir freu= en. Waere fuer mich das erste nach HB, aber mein Setup ist recht klein. Gruss, 73 Marco, DD7PC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > An: Marcin >; rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org > Gesendet: Tue Dec 01 19:03:24 2009 Betreff: Re: LF: Re: qso Hello Marcin Yes, we will try it again. If WX is good, I will be QRV Friday Evening, pr= obably allready from 19:00 til 23:00 UTC. 73 de Toni 2009/11/30 Marcin > Hello Toni If you calling my I have QSO on DK8ND. I copied your twice transmiting CQ. Maybe have qso next friday? 73! Marcin Hello Marcin I've seen your signal in QRS10. It was quite strong. I called you, but probably my signal was too weak. May be we can make a QSO next weekend. 73 de Toni, HB9ASB 2009/11/24 Anton B=E4rtschi > Hello Marcin Yes, would be nice to make a first contact SP-HB9. As far as i know, it never took place. How abot this weekend, saturday or sunday? Have you ever seen my signal? Should we try it in QRS3 or QRS10? 73 de Toni, HB9ASB 2009/11/23 Marcin > Hello Toni Plise QSO on 136kHz. We have 1W EIRP and antenna 30m hight and 120m long. -- Vy 73! Marcin SQ2BXI (SP2KDS Team) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Internetowi nie placa! Otworz Konto Direct. Kliknij >> http://link.interia.pl/f2448 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Audi kilka tysiecy zlotych taniej? Przebieraj wsrod tysiecy ogloszen! Kliknij >>> http://link.interia.pl/f2424 --_000_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D437096EE5CEexlnmb01eurns_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hallo Toni,
very happy! Vielen Dank f=FCr Sked und da= s QSO. Ging ganz=20 ausgezeichnet.
 
ebenfalls ein sch=F6nes Wcohenende=
vy73
Marco
DD7PC

From: Anton B=E4rtschi [mailto:hb9asb@= gmail.com]=20
Sent: 04 December 2009 20:42
To: Scholz, Marco [ICG-I= T];=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: FW: Re: LF: Re:=20 qso

UFB lieber Marco, Danke f=FCr das QSO und ein sch=F6nes Wochene= nde.
73=20 de Toni

2009/12/3 Scholz, Marco <marco.scholz@citi.com>
= Hallo=20 Toni,
= vielen=20 Dank f=FCr den Sked. Ich bin mal gespannt. Wetter scheint ja=20 mitzuspielen.
 
= Gru=DF,=20 vy73
= Marco,=20 DD7PC
From: Anton B=E4rtschi [mailto:hb9asb@gmail.com]= =20
Sent: 03 December 2009 16:20
To: Scholz, Marco [ICG= -IT];=20 rsgb= _lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: Re: LF:=20 Re: qso

Hallo Marco
Werde ab 20:00 MEZ in QRS3 CQ rufen und nach= Dir=20 Ausschau halten. Es w=FCrde mich auch freuen, wenn's klappen w=FCrde.73 de=20 Toni, HB9ASB

2009/12/1 Scholz, Marco <marco.schol= z@citi.com>
Hallo Toni,
Ich werde= am Freitag=20 auch QRV sein. Wuerde mich ueber ein QSO mit dir freuen. Waere fuer mi= ch das=20 erste nach HB, aber mein Setup ist recht klein.
Gruss, 73
Marco= ,=20 DD7PC

Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org <owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>=
An:=20 Marcin <bxi= @interia.pl>; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_gro= up@blacksheep.org>
Gesendet: Tue=20 Dec 01 19:03:24 2009
Betreff: Re: LF: Re: qso=20

Hello Marcin
Yes, we will try it again. If WX= is=20 good, I will be QRV Friday Evening, probably allready from 19:00 til= 23:00=20 UTC.
73 de Toni

2009/11/30 Marcin <bxi@interia.pl><= /SPAN>
Hello=20 Toni
If you calling my I have QSO on DK8ND. I copied your twice= =20 transmiting CQ.
Maybe have qso next friday?
73! Marcin



Hello Marcin
I've seen your signal in QRS10. It= was=20 quite strong. I called you, but
probably my signal was too weak.= May be=20 we can make a QSO next weekend.
73 de Toni,=20 HB9ASB


2009/11/24 Anton B=E4rtschi <hb9asb@gmail.com>=

Hello Marcin
Yes, would=20 be nice to make a first contact SP-HB9. As far as i know, it
neve= r took=20 place. How abot this weekend, saturday or sunday? Have you ever
s= een my=20 signal? Should we try it in QRS3 or QRS10?
73 de Toni,=20 HB9ASB


2009/11/23 Marcin <bxi@interia.pl>

Hello Toni
= Plise QSO on=20 136kHz.
We have 1W EIRP and antenna 30m hight and 120m=20 long.
--
Vy 73!
Marcin SQ2BXI
(SP2KDS=20 Team)

-------------------------------------------------------= ---------------
Internetowi=20 nie placa! Otworz Konto Direct.
Kliknij >> http://link.inte= ria.pl/f2448


----------------------------------= ------------------------------------
Audi=20 kilka tysiecy zlotych taniej? Przebieraj wsrod tysiecy=20 ogloszen!
Kliknij >>> http://link.interia.pl/f2424



=

--_000_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D437096EE5CEexlnmb01eurns_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db08.mx.aol.com (rly-db08.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.83]) by air-db10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB101-adb4b194e34237; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:00:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB081-adb4b194e34237; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:00:22 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGcR8-0000un-JB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:59:22 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGcR8-0000ue-3w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:59:22 +0000 Received: from mailout11.t-online.de ([194.25.134.85]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGcR5-0007eO-Uj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:59:22 +0000 Received: from fwd09.aul.t-online.de by mailout11.t-online.de with smtp id 1NGcR4-0008AH-04; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:59:18 +0100 Received: from df2py (Gz92dQZArheYzsjTg7g5Hnzn9XYmbo6y7kAztpAvkiDCYjPzXRvE9vn3dHjeh-qQNl@[80.187.99.41]) by fwd09.t-online.de with esmtp id 1NGcQx-1NFz960; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 18:59:11 +0100 From: "Wolf Ostwald" To: References: <000a01ca74ff$163eb010$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB49@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 19:00:57 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB49@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: Acp0/+yNaiqZzgGlSBCmQsvim/kdtQAB9XZQAADdbCA= X-ID: Gz92dQZArheYzsjTg7g5Hnzn9XYmbo6y7kAztpAvkiDCYjPzXRvE9vn3dHjeh-qQNl X-TOI-MSGID: c36095d7-4690-479f-8377-d76de1fbc389 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: AW: AW: FUSE TEST Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01CA7514.1FC94400" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN, HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01CA7514.1FC94400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi LF/MF gang ! Best bet is to use semiconductors or tubes that outlive the power supply used ! Americans call this the NFA approach. It keeps stuff out of trouble. 73 de wolf ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01CA7514.1FC94400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi= LF/MF gang !

Bes= t bet is to use semiconductors or tubes that outlive the power supply used !

Ame= ricans call this the NFA approach. It keeps stuff out of trouble.<= /p>

73= de wolf

 

------=_NextPart_000_003F_01CA7514.1FC94400-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df05.mx.aol.com (rly-df05.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.18]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF041-5524b1e30fd30d; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 05:57:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF057-5524b1e30fd30d; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 05:57:02 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHxjT-0005UN-Jc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:55:51 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHxjT-0005UE-3R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:55:51 +0000 Received: from web86508.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.133]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHxjR-0006Vm-2v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:55:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 2113 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Dec 2009 10:55:43 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1260269743; bh=P4qnnEpU3NC2bGb0rYZXxa3FlIvUxMDAExHiQhoIG7U=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BOwMlWYfkzRk+afy0qLEHd3VHY9MTrrUhvmMnnKMjIa8jeJmEIaEkZSmFbxemRvXkMMMo4rH5zFN3v1wxYrG3SVPDrvpcaMI+oLImJoc29qlHzyJ3zpG18glcmg5+TpGMSQH/l2usZCdKJ9DhdQB8d3VhQi0JIRU8FNNpTS4iSc= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=339AYL/YI03M4DzCn55iSvkYxpGgCozVGX3YFlEQ3gZZWZ7IDlfIhiJt4pome82D5nhvbumMO0xA9Z1yKuIY8f331QkSw1lS0xb4mlCBxxnixIfEOiwgrNaGYV0uGYIznxwBlQrSn0I5cGJdRkugyhNHjUCkFUx9LM+Gid38m3w=; Message-ID: <463194.1134.qm@web86508.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 9NagoW0VM1l_K.2EHtF.t6FKaEGgk8EEjlMDao95low3MS6SYFsicMfPVpZfdHTstKS24w8Ppq0TD.7ndnfIGtHoHIoUkjGtS0FIT1xNOFtgTuRJu390MVqLkZ76c_3UrU9MUv5.8mcRItnXnKP7FsmfOFmHtA2TEvTz5RYXdTCfd.49NPLKOWdJYBbpeEfEtDK0ezvscmmpkaEVU5w9HmkRWzVKVYOMYo20RPvp4KbA9IYOzyV7UZ0uuu9N5SRv1hPo7UrzNFIYStRNVM8RWHLzBrdmhM2i4CFZp5HopekIysnprjW.kKilA0Ch1rGdbwS0ci1hEO5Qpn_pfGhoI4pXEzfvVccojo0- Received: from [213.122.17.94] by web86508.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:55:43 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:55:43 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Broadcast audio splatter on 136kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m275.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass Hi Janek, yes I agree a long fence wire and a local high power station wou= ld be enough for that. Also the lack of any obvious mixing association and= the closeness to Lakihegy do push ideas in the direction of ICM. It will= be interesting to see if Paul-Henrik can tie it down. Best Wishes Alan G3NYK --- On Tue, 8/12/09, Jacek Lipkowski wrote: > From: Jacek Lipkowski > Subject: Re: LF: Broadcast audio splatter on 136kHz > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Tuesday, 8 December, 2009, 9:06 > Hi Alan >=20 > Just like you said - i have no personal expierience with > the "rusty bolt" effect on LF/MF, and am extrapolating HF > ideas down to LF :) Hypotheticaly speaking the structure > size to get enough voltage into a metal-metal oxide junction > is not that great. A metal fence >100m long should be > enough for local signals. >=20 > Paul-Henrik gave two frequencies: 171kHz and 225kHz (i > can't see how they can give around 135.4kHz via mixing, so > there is probably a third station involved). These could be > Radio Russia from Kaliningrad (600kW) and Warsaw 1 from > Solec Kujawski (1MW). Obviously the two are not local to > him, so ICM might be probable (the "rusty bolt in the sky" > :). >=20 > VY 73 >=20 > Jacek / SQ5BPF >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de11.mx.aol.com (rly-de11.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.147]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE053-5144b1a709f1c3; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 09:39:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de11.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE115-5144b1a709f1c3; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 09:39:28 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGvlp-0006jt-RI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 14:38:01 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGvlp-0006jk-55 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 14:38:01 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGvln-00055a-54 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 14:38:01 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap4EANv+GUtZ8Il8/2dsb2JhbACODwbGbIQzBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,346,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="141514048" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.240.137.124]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 05 Dec 2009 14:37:52 +0000 Message-ID: <001401ca75b8$83c41b20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 14:37:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: LF/MF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01CA75B8.83755EE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01CA75B8.83755EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone active now on LF or MF Mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01CA75B8.83755EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anyone active now on LF or MF<= /DIV>
Mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0011_01CA75B8.83755EE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df02.mx.aol.com (rly-df02.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.15]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF033-5314b30bd501e4; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 07:36:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF024-5314b30bd501e4; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 07:36:34 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NN3rT-0005wd-OD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:29:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NN3rT-0005wU-Cc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:29:11 +0000 Received: from mail.cz.gmc.net ([77.48.211.230]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NN3w6-0005LV-Un for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:34:01 +0000 Received: from Lenovo (192.168.100.32) by dove.gmc.net (192.168.47.18) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.1.393.1; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 13:34:49 +0100 Message-ID: From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Petr_Mal=FD?= To: Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 13:34:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-EsetScannerBuild: 6255 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: QOA? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_042F_01CA830B.88992FE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_042F_01CA830B.88992FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lowfers, I looked for some Q-codes recently and one of them struck my eyes. Do you know what QOA means? It means "can you/I can work telegraphy on 500kHz". 73 and have a nice X-mass, Petr, OK1FIG __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus sig= nature database 4708 (20091222) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ------=_NextPart_000_042F_01CA830B.88992FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Lowfers,
 
I looked for some Q-codes recently an= d one of them=20 struck my eyes.
Do you know what QOA means?
It means "can you/I can work telegrap= hy on=20 500kHz".
 
73 and have a nice X-mass, Petr,=20 OK1FIG


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------=_NextPart_000_042F_01CA830B.88992FE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me02.mx.aol.com (rly-me02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.35]) by air-me02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME022-9a44b2bde441b2; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:56:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME028-9a44b2bde441b2; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:55:50 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLiqb-0005dy-Ms for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:50:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLiqb-0005dp-8M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:50:45 +0000 Received: from mailout08.t-online.de ([194.25.134.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLitV-0006Pl-Dm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:53:47 +0000 Received: from fwd03.aul.t-online.de by mailout08.t-online.de with smtp id 1NLiu3-00087M-01; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:54:19 +0100 Received: from e7010 (rI6xABZSZh81B0wyHtWNJdQRYRLcP5vnIO7OExx5zDflFBMkcwGwQJe+UJ7DeIpwqp@[84.147.213.78]) by fwd03.aul.t-online.de with smtp id 1NLitx-2DcQXw0; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:54:13 +0100 Message-ID: <00ab01ca801b$e68a5c20$6402a8c0@e7010> From: "Walter und Marianne Staubach" To: References: <2D2A7F4006D14FDA90FA57ECAEE27BDE@AGB> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:54:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-ID: rI6xABZSZh81B0wyHtWNJdQRYRLcP5vnIO7OExx5zDflFBMkcwGwQJe+UJ7DeIpwqp X-TOI-MSGID: 6a4812dc-c3a5-4696-a18b-70fc3dbc3615 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 2.3 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,EXTRA_MPART_TYPE=0.815,FUZZY_OCR_WRONG_CTYPE=1.500,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Band 501 to 504kHz in the Netherlands Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A7_01CA8024.48195C40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01CA8024.48195C40 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_00A8_01CA8024.48195C40" ------=_NextPart_001_00A8_01CA8024.48195C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Congrats to our friends in the Netherlands, too. And about CW and Data= ? I think there is no contrast. CW is one kind of Data ( system Morse= ), others are ASCII or PSK or...... As long as you stay within the= bandwidth - no problem. About the dykes - I think they are rich of minerals and salt - from th= e millions of sheep urinating. And therefore have good conductivity. But I am not sure :-) 73 Walter =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 6:54 PM Subject: LF: Band 501 to 504kHz in the Netherlands Band 501 to 504kHz in the Netherlands Starting on 1 January 2010, full licence holders in the Netherlands= can opt for permission to conduct experiments in the band 501 to 504k= Hz with a maximum power of 5W EIRP and a maximum bandwidth of 100Hz. =20 Q : Is this another intended to be CW .... but can do data if= it fits syndrome ?=20 =20 5 watts erp should provide reasonable signals considering the amo= unt of water about ( are the dykes fresh or salt?) =20 And there may also be a 500 Khz web-sdr radio running from Hol= land shortly as well .. outstanding system=20 =20 Congratulations on the new allocation ! =20 G ..=20 ------=_NextPart_001_00A8_01CA8024.48195C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Congrats to our friends in the Nether= lands, too.=20 And about CW and Data? I think there is no contrast. CW is one kind of= Data (=20 system Morse ), others are ASCII or PSK or......  As long as you= stay=20 within the bandwidth - no problem.
About the dykes - I think they are ri= ch of minerals=20 and salt - from the millions of sheep urinating. And therefore ha= ve good=20 conductivity.
But I am not sure :-)
73    Walter
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Sent: Friday, December 18, 20= 09 6:54=20 PM
Subject: LF: Band 501 to 504k= Hz in the=20 Netherlands

Band 501 to 504kHz in the= =20 Netherlands
Starting on= 1 January 2010, full licence holders in the=20 Netherlands can opt for permission to conduct experiments in the ban= d 501 to=20 504kHz with a maximum power of 5W EIRP and a maximum bandwidth of=20 100Hz.
 
Q : Is this another  intended= to be  CW=20 ....  but  can do data  if it  fits syndrom= e  ?=20
 
5 watts erp  should provide re= asonable =20 signals considering the  amount of water  about ( are = ;=20 the  dykes fresh or salt?)
 
And there may also  be = a 500 Khz=20  web-sdr   radio running  from Holland shortly  = as well ..=20 outstanding system
 
Congratulations on the  new&nb= sp; allocation=20 !
 
G ..=20


------=_NextPart_001_00A8_01CA8024.48195C40-- ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01CA8024.48195C40 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="spacer_line.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Location: http://www.rsgb.org/format/images/spacer_line.gif R0lGODlhAQAWAIAAAP///wAAACH5BAAAAAAALAAAAAABABYAAAIEhI+pUAA7 ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01CA8024.48195C40-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (rly-dd09.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.156]) by air-dd03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD034-b9c4b2512d92ca; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:14:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD096-b9c4b2512d92ca; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:14:19 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJr3s-0005OG-K0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:12:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJr3s-0005O7-7Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:12:44 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJr4M-0004om-7C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:13:16 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 13 Dec 2009 16:13:13 -0000 Received: from p5DD35FDD.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.211.95.221] by mail.gmx.net (mp002) with SMTP; 13 Dec 2009 17:13:13 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+XSphcDKqXlsNf/dAh9hHd32rEC8KiCtewG0B1xK ErxMBZQL4o0R2z Message-ID: <014901ca7c0f$2bedf850$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> <241919.87622.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9afca2640912130305r3acb5e5fs991caaa1115d2255@mail.gmail.com> <6E7638745A1B43168C402CDBB010C2A7@AGB> <007b01ca7c0c$167e7b00$0201a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:13:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.49 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: IK1HSS WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Now it's ok. I believe you just made a typo before: 136.420 instead of 136.240 for dial qrg. Ur sig was well visible in during the last transmission and will surely be decoded in the next one,now that I've adjusted everything. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ Loc:Sdostbayern,12,90006O/48,4150N (Gridloc:JN68KJ) Perseus mit K9AY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marco IK1ODO" To: Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 4:59 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: IK1HSS WSPR > At 16.50 13/12/2009, you wrote: >>Are you sure abt the frequencies? >>I think with "carrier" you mean the dial qrg,i.e. 136.420. >>If so, 137.740 is 80Hz below the wspr band. >> >>73 >>Clemens >>DL4RAJ > > Hello Clemens, > > the WSPR signal frequency is now 137.751 +/- 2 Hz - the dial should be 136.250 > I hate this "dial" way of specifying QRG :-) - Marco IK1HSS's signal > is on 137.751 for me. > > Is there a WSPR recommended sub-band? If I add 80 Hz to 137.740 I end > out of the band ... > > 73 - Marco IK1ODO > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG uberpruft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.716 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.105/2561 - Ausgabedatum: 12/12/09 20:39:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (rly-mg08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.114]) by air-mg09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG092-a2d4b2974e619a; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:02:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG087-a2d4b2974e619a; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:01:44 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NL3kp-0003jV-HG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:58:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NL3ko-0003jM-TE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:58:02 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NL3mr-0008WH-0c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:00:11 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBGNdxdf031422 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:39:59 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 01:00:33 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 01:00:36 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB7@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals; amendment Thread-Index: Acp+lxx/qujYoWOaRWimQ3vuSUXi+QADtvmw From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.627;16.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.16.234819 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA7EAB.F3ECD9C3" Subject: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals; amendment X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7EAB.F3ECD9C3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dave, LF,=20 Yes, a transverter would be an other possibility but it would be much more= complex I think, just when regarding the needed power (compared to a LED)= . And you would get new problems when you receive on a "new" frequency, e.= g. in the 2m band when there is another noise that is not coming from LF= ;-) =20 I have a further idea:=20 DL2CH, Hans-Hellmuth Cuno (who was even qrv on LF before some years) prese= nted a laser TRX in the CQDL (I think 2001). I have built this TRX and did= some fascinating tests with a simple laser diode out of a laser pointer.= I satisfactorily transmitted music/AF via the laser beam on a distance of= 200m without a noticeable quality loss.=20 Instead of a transmitting LED and fibre optic cable it should be possible= to transmit a LF signal via a laser beam to the shack. We could call it= a 2,2km/650nm transverter ;-) Let's imagine someone has a garden in a distance of 200m, perhaps on a hil= lside apart the city where no qrm is, but with a road between the house th= at makes it impossible to use a cable. So he could operate e.g. a grabber= to the internet from that clear region! Sure, if there is strong rain or= fog and so on, it will be difficult but that are all possibilities, one= could try without the need for much energy! I would try this with my lase= r TRX but there is no need for me (not yet) in the moment. As we know, there are existing internet links via laser beams since many= years...=20 Another word to the fibre optical transmission: Sure there are many method= s suppressing noise coming from the coax screen. The optical solution is= just one. But I think the advantage is, that this method decouples the pr= eamp from the RX for 100%, say with an attenuation of 1000000000000000 dB= (to come back for joking ;-) ). There is no need for choosing the right= core out of the right material and the right number of turns at both side= s of the right cable that is placed in the right way and so on and on. If= the optic method is used, this theme is just finished, just like the ques= tion "would it even be better when I apply 10 turns more or take 2 cores= and/or bury the coax 5m into the earth?"=20 Perhaps it's no so easy as I think but in the moment it seems to be a good= solution for me that is really working fine. GN or GM de Stefan/DK7FC =20 =20 73, Stefan =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von Dave G3WCB Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. Dezember 2009 22:27 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signal= s =20 Hello, Stefan. =20 This is very interesting. I have a MiniWhip on a pole some distance from= the house, and it seems that most of the interference (ADSL hash) seems= to be re-radiated by the coax outer and picked up by the antenna. =20 A relatively short optical link of one or two metres may still reduce the= pick-up, as it would break the "copper" connection to the antenna. =20 Alternatively, it might be possible to transvert the amplified LF signal= up to a vhf frequency and then set up a remote RX some distance away. =20 You could switch the power on and off by using a pressure switch from a di= scarded washing machine connected to the shack by a lenght of 6mm plastic= tubing. Apply slight positive pressure to turn on the antenna circuitry! =20 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E. England.=20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7EAB.F3ECD9C3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Dave, LF,

Yes, a transverter would= be an other possibility but it would be much more complex I think, just when regarding the needed powe= r (compared to a LED). And you would get new problems when you receive on a= “new” frequency, e.g. in the 2m band when there is another noise that is not com= ing from LF ;-)

 

I have a further idea:

DL2CH, Hans-Hellmuth Cuno= (who was even qrv on LF before some years) presented a laser= TRX in the CQDL (I think 2001). I have built this TRX and did some fascinating= tests with a simple laser diode out of a laser pointer. I satisfactorily transmi= tted music/AF via the laser beam on a distance of 200m without a noticeable quality loss= .

Instead of a transmitting= LED and fibre optic cable it should be possible to transmit a LF signal via a laser beam to th= e shack. We could call it a 2,2km/650nm transverter ;-)

Let’s imagine someon= e has a garden in a distance of 200m, perhaps on a hillside apart the city where no qrm is, bu= t with a road between the house that makes it impossible to use a cable. So= he could operate e.g. a grabber to the internet from that clear region! Sure,= if there is strong rain or fog and so on, it will be difficult but that are= all possibilities, one could try without the need for much energy! I would try= this with my laser TRX but there is no need for me (not yet) in the moment.

As we know, there are exis= ting internet links via laser beams since many years…

Another word to the fibre= optical transmission: Sure there are many methods suppressing noise coming from the coax screen.= The optical solution is just one. But I think the advantage is, that this meth= od decouples the preamp from the RX for 100%, say with an attenuation of 1000000000000000 dB (to come back for joking ;-) ). There is no need for choosing the right core out of the right material and the right number of= turns at both sides of the right cable that is placed in the right way and so on= and on. If the optic method is used, this theme is just finished, just like th= e question “would it even be better when I apply 10 turns more or take= 2 cores and/or bury the coax 5m into the earth?”

Perhaps it’s no so= easy as I think but in the moment it seems to be a good solution for me that is really working fi= ne.

GN or GM de Stefan/DK7FC

 

 

73, Stefan

 

-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachrich= t-----
Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Dave G3WCB
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. Dez= ember 2009 22:27
An: rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org
Betreff: LF: RE: Noise canc= elling by using optic transmission of RX signals

 <= /span>

Hello, Stefan.

 

This is very interesting. I have= a MiniWhip on a pole some distance from the house, and it seems that most of the interference (ADSL hash) see= ms to be re-radiated by the coax outer and picked up by the antenna.

 

A relatively short optical link= of one or two metres may still reduce the pick-up, as it would break the "copper" connection to= the antenna.

 

Alternatively, it might be possib= le to transvert the amplified LF signal up to a vhf frequency and then set up a remote RX some distance awa= y.

 

You could switch the power on and= off by using a pressure switch from a discarded washing machine connected to the shack by a lenght of 6mm plastic tubing. Apply slight positive pressure to turn on the ant= enna circuitry!

 

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor,= S.E. England. 

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7EAB.F3ECD9C3-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (rly-dd01.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.148]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD022-b5c4b2bbe4f2c1; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:39:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD016-b5c4b2bbe4f2c1; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:39:28 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLgjA-0004Nc-BK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:34:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLgj9-0004NT-QM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:34:55 +0000 Received: from mailout10.t-online.de ([194.25.134.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLgm0-0005di-TQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:37:55 +0000 Received: from fwd07.aul.t-online.de by mailout10.t-online.de with smtp id 1NLgma-00034a-00; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:38:28 +0100 Received: from e7010 (S8Ve2OZU8hq0QC1DGZjCCxO7dEfXvcpSdUr2r23xkmbzQak3DZsX-pqpMOatFoeQJh@[84.147.239.139]) by fwd07.aul.t-online.de with smtp id 1NLgmJ-09zXBg0; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:38:11 +0100 Message-ID: <004e01ca8008$e5c13a60$6402a8c0@e7010> From: "Walter und Marianne Staubach" To: References: <914980.30417.qm@web28108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:38:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-ID: S8Ve2OZU8hq0QC1DGZjCCxO7dEfXvcpSdUr2r23xkmbzQak3DZsX-pqpMOatFoeQJh X-TOI-MSGID: 958822e4-3f06-4f2e-94cd-38f55a7652c9 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004B_01CA8011.45767170" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01CA8011.45767170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Congrats to All on MF in G-Land. I would like we had RSGB and OFCOM in= Germany. Merry Christmas Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 12:39 PM Subject: LF: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz= band) FYI 16|12|09 Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band) Following representations made by the Radio Society of Great= Britain and negotiations by Ofcom with the Maritime and Coastguard Ag= ency, Ofcom has decided to extend the period of Notices of Variation= (NoVs) to the licence for operation in the 501 to 504 kHz band until= 29 February 2012. The maximum effective radiated power (e.r.p.) limit= is maintained at 10 dBW (10 W). Existing NoVs are due to expire at th= e end of February 2010.=20 There have been no reports of interference and investigation= has shown that a radiated power of 10 dBW is not likely to cause inte= rference. Moreover, NoV holders are permitted to operate only subject= to causing no interference.=20 Special Research Permits under a Notice of Variation to the Li= cence are made available to holders of Full Amateur Licences on a case= by case basis to applicants who can demonstrate a genuine interest in= experimentation at these frequencies and provide adequate supporting= documentation for assessment.=20 Due to the usage of the spectrum around the 500 kHz bands, app= licants should pay special attention to demonstrating technical and op= erational competence in terms of transmitting within the frequency ban= d and Effective Radiated Power (e.r.p.) parameters agreed with Ofcom.= Previous experience at 73 kHz as well as 136 kHz will be considered= desirable in this respect to ensure adequate steps are taken to limit= any potential interference.=20 Ofcom will monitor any interference reports and also consider= limiting numbers if necessary in reviewing operation in the band. On= no account will an e.r.p. level of greater than 10 dBW be permitted= under any circumstance.=20 The standard application form (OfW306) for a Special Research= Permit can be downloaded at: http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amate= ur/applications/ofw306.pdf=20 A fresh NoV will automatically be issued to existing NoV holde= rs; new applications are not required in this instance. Should a fresh NoV not be required or if you are in possession= of an NoV which is not required, please inform the Ofcom Licensing Ce= ntre stating your name, call sign and Licence number preferably by e-m= ail to licensingcentre@ofcom.org.uk or alternatively by post to the ad= dress at the end of the text.=20 Form OfW306 is also available on request from the Ofcom Licens= ing Centre at:=20 Ofcom Licensing Centre=20 Amateur Radio Riverside House 2a Southwark Bridge Road London SE1 9HA=20 Tel: 020 7981 3131=20 73 es GL petefmt=20 ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01CA8011.45767170 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Congrats to All on MF in G-Land. I wo= uld like we=20 had RSGB and OFCOM in Germany.
Merry Christmas
Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT=
Sent: Friday, December 18, 20= 09 12:39=20 PM
Subject: LF: UK - Update - Sp= ecial=20 Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band)

FYI       16|12|09

Update - Special Research Permits (501 to= 504 kHz=20 band)

Following representations made by the Radio Society of Gr= eat=20 Britain and negotiations by Ofcom with the Maritime and Coastg= uard=20 Agency, Ofcom has decided to extend the= period of=20 Notices of Variation (NoVs) to the licence for operation in th= e 501 to=20 504 kHz band until 29 February 2012. The maxim= um=20 effective radiated power (e.r.p.) limit is maintained at 10 dB= W (10 W).=20 Existing NoVs are due to expire at the end of February 2010.=
There have been no reports of interference and inv= estigation=20 has shown that a radiated power of 10 dBW is not likely to cau= se=20 interference. Moreover, NoV holders are permitted to operate= only=20 subject to causing no interference.
Special Research Permits under a Notice of Variation to= the Licence=20 are made available to holders of Full Amateur Licences on a ca= se by case=20 basis to applicants who can demonstrate a genuine interest in= =20 experimentation at these frequencies and provide adequate supp= orting=20 documentation for assessment.
Due to the usage of the spectrum around the 500 kHz bands= ,=20 applicants should pay special attention to demonstrating techn= ical and=20 operational competence in terms of transmitting within the fre= quency=20 band and Effective Radiated Power (e.r.p.) parameters agreed= with Ofcom.=20 Previous experience at 73 kHz as well as 136 kHz will be consi= dered=20 desirable in this respect to ensure adequate steps are taken= to limit=20 any potential interference.
Ofcom will monitor any interference reports and also cons= ider=20 limiting numbers if necessary in reviewing operation in the ba= nd. On no=20 account will an e.r.p. level of greater than 10 dBW be permitt= ed under=20 any circumstance.
The standard application form (OfW306) for a Special Rese= arch=20 Permit can be downloaded at:
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/am= ateur/applications/ofw306.pdf=20
A fresh NoV will automatically be issued to existing NoV= holders;=20 new applications are not required in this instance.
Should= a fresh=20 NoV not be required or if you are in possession of an NoV whic= h is not=20 required, please inform the Ofcom Licensing Centre stating you= r name,=20 call sign and Licence number preferably by e-mail to licensingcentre@ofc= om.org.uk=20 or alternatively by post to the address at the end of the text= .
Form OfW306 is also available on request from the Ofcom= Licensing=20 Centre at:
Ofcom Licensing Centre
Amateur Radio
Riverside Hou= se
2a=20 Southwark Bridge Road
London SE1 9HA
Tel: 020 7981 3131

73 es GL=20 petefmt

------=_NextPart_000_004B_01CA8011.45767170-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc12.mx.aol.com (rly-mc12.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.96]) by air-mc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC083-dae4b198f8f384; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:39:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC126-dae4b198f8f384; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:39:12 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGgnB-0003BY-Iv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:38:25 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGgnB-0003BM-4O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:38:25 +0000 Received: from smtp106.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com ([69.147.102.69]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGgn9-00017E-3C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:38:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 46310 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2009 22:38:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Ioyo7cWTpZEVa/5d54Ti5ShOXKDTkyNBi2XDF+dDKtGW5dh65Lts1f04XoIo/7tKRs2fNH66f1LXNtvhJLVqZsLPXx3YLbE1JFV/dAYpEg3/cYyM3mJq+VVBWTnmsqTJd/RAQBRAIV16nb4645Q9X/Bghz5qqd29Wjp/UTPWiSg= ; Received: from 75-168-154-96.mpls.qwest.net (we0h@75.168.154.96 with plain) by smtp106.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 04 Dec 2009 14:38:16 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: RBQdkJeswBDpCEg3HWivcvU- X-YMail-OSG: rzKlZEEVM1lxoCtFx_4xz.DsE4c4lCMLbPCP1irYn9hEX_tklJtjPklaKlm03frG6psR0sPzhMdU_D0mrQn4V34U3aqvns1nKzaQ5qAw4ijx18EqUDH1uKbJDLFGufc1bZxv3ZgekmvIJO2eaiKNBdbY2ffvfMYxNLjaSvALm5DFcZZKP.Sx3H6lDGzMjYTzT5hwTAWAmzJIEOOKj1zvoxWHEl4Kswdo1z99VWaEmgfTWGGiMp_g9D_LVgpKLMAL_ZIvLjmyqw4Vavrqow2IfkIptwRbznA9MD07jtqZY6l06IA5ICczji21QzPwe81SfuPr3NM84yvNRghm_plzAt3aNcNdW.3qgicr4aB5OwJMEWXZBCC9cKsl6vAqUMdC3yto3QoaEuParRebswNRpECEQErInB9U4Kacn6WLpvOXBxgRDEcMJGL9t_erT20hH9xkSGtbP.m7gxvW.V1UATZs_7lu8ZL5KkmlR6aejrNoKir8kEsQYgZ9VcJGVAIBencfp2eCQpUNgZw65hHEt25iBIl1qr7XQd_nyPaAfV4jcyNUZgGxmNoadlzN6KbnLPYHgA.uNg3.JDcOvp8HjXe1AntpqA5bWw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4B198F49.6020600@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:38:01 -0600 From: Mike-WE0H User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB4A@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Active Antenna Preamp of Bernd/DF8ZR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Worked here for me. Mike WE0H /16 Tracey Gardner wrote: > The URL is an invalid one > > Tracey > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Stefan Schfer > Hi Lowfers, > > > > Now, Bernd has posted the circuit of his preamp for active antennas: > http://www.mydarc.de/df8zr/lf-active-antenna.pdf > > > > Its nothing fundamental new. But its just working very fine, with > an overvoltage shielded input. DLF (153kHz) gets attenuated by abt > 40dB, compared to the sigs in the wanted frequency range. Gain is > abt 23dB. It was published in summer 2003 in the CQDL > > > > 73, Stefan From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (rly-dc06.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.35]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC062-b2b4b2a503e29c; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:37:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC067-b2b4b2a503e29c; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:37:36 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLIMV-0006iq-CG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:33:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLIMV-0006ih-22 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:33:55 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLIOr-00056f-E6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:36:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 8305 invoked by uid 507); 17 Dec 2009 16:36:30 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2009 16:36:30 +0100 Message-ID: <200912171636370488.1D2CCCF0@smtp2.numeo.fr> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:36:37 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: "BVG" 10dB over noise/LX on 137 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 At 1536z. John Rabson F5VLF 58800 Cervon France JN17vg From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de08.mx.aol.com (rly-de08.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.144]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE053-4f74b1faf303b0; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:07:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE086-4f74b1faf303b0; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:07:45 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NINBs-0001sn-Vb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:06:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NINBs-0001se-K7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:06:52 +0000 Received: from pne-smtpout2-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.164]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NINBr-0003Ad-Px for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:06:52 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (81.235.167.68) by pne-smtpout2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (7.3.140.3) (authenticated as u33233109) id 4A5BC8BE00FE09E1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:06:46 +0100 Message-ID: <4B1FAEF7.3020706@telia.com> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:06:47 +0100 From: "Johan H. Bodin" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1527851280@web.de> In-Reply-To: <1527851280@web.de> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: SAQ Testing Now Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Horst St=F6cker wrote: > SAQ seems to continue testing now . . . Yes. My QTH is only 80km from SAQ so I can easily hear the "backwave" signal which is about 17dB below key-down power. As a few kilowatts are leaking out when the TX is idling, I am able to hear when they adjust the r.p.m. even with key up! Here is some nice aerial photography (in a double sense!) of SAQ: http://www.hitta.se/LargeMap.aspx?ShowTraffic=3Dfalse&Filter=3D378&ShowSat= ellite=3Dtrue&cx=3D6337105&cy=3D1293998&z=3D10&tip=3D1 Click on zoom[10] to find the transmitter building and then zoom out and pan to look at the whole station. The logperiodic antenna just above the north corner of the TX building is made by Rohde & Schwarz, I believe. The FM/TV station of Varberg is located near tower #3 (counting from the TX building). 73 Johan SM6LKM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (rly-dc03.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.32]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC063-b114b1fc2c6292; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:31:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC035-b114b1fc2c6292; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:31:20 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIOUW-0002Wz-7C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:30:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIOUV-0002Wq-Jg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:30:11 +0000 Received: from mail-yx0-f203.google.com ([209.85.210.203]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIOUU-0003hS-Dj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:30:11 +0000 Received: by yxe41 with SMTP id 41so17265665yxe.30 for ; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 07:30:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=HnUC6VQs9FWbvZygic0TgW00cqY0gkEk05FTs/zEdWw=; b=oqLot17iYlXTCxEdWBkQS5+vQlegdnhzRXc/1j4xWFH3Y48EXCERoJ8anc1FHVh1F1 i4UgRe9hgT2WxDN5wbSKGFbrQ77tWBohJ+cNUNOndy/DbmbJIC23GmZdxjsANdbuzoMp AotTQusbxKv3pMpm9PZHnmQaQdvlK8612+3Pc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=A5KCRTTtDVvmdXvb1AHhZkX5RnjFOF2KzUSPWQJa4gcHrhZCsSRRreCvVcfScf3/Ho YelEp2iUf5SRFmA3BW64gGM2ACj697QZcis/xJ8ntbDhbt8bvoX9zFLlPHblyaTfXPJF lzxpDssqS4/L8Mnqf2gT/xW1j+acLXILXGL7U= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.27.6 with SMTP id a6mr14803317yba.74.1260372601508; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 07:30:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 10:30:01 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m203.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver muting. Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (rly-mf04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.174]) by air-mf07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF072-9544b37bb53af; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:54:04 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF042-9544b37bb53af; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:53:56 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOzAD-0003Jw-Vv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:52:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOzAD-0003Jn-Ca for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:52:29 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.29]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOzAB-00022N-Ps for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:52:29 +0000 Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl (dovemail2.xs4all.nl [194.109.26.4]) by smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBRJqEMW064321 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:52:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from pa0bwl@xs4all.nl) Received: from 84.27.233.125 (SquirrelMail authenticated user pa0bwl) by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:52:26 +0100 Message-ID: <9c398ea0c5cf4e58d9a4f0242fc31559.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:52:26 +0100 From: "wil - pa0bwl" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.18 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Ropex Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Victor, Still very interested in those details here ... Can I get a copy? Pse use wil@pa0bwl.com as email address. 73 Wil pa0bwl > Hello all, > > for who is interested,I just got from Henny,PA3CPM the schematic and the > componentlayout from the Ropex first.I can sent the files to everybody who > is interested, > > 73 > mxmass > > Victor > PA3FNY > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG021-a254b29458e1fe; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:40:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG077-a254b29458e1fe; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:39:44 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NL0as-0000pU-Qf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:35:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NL0as-0000pL-B6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:35:34 +0000 Received: from web86501.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.126]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NL0cr-0007Ku-Cx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:37:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 58122 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Dec 2009 20:37:56 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1260995876; bh=jzdFkWEk/QHXgH9P0/Ii3fLQlaj6NHYglusTKttpF6w=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mi6vEjiXuwOVYaRend5dEFBKnF/Eu9YMrQP9lLXhMsaq9xirOPIbOYvYXSmzP366iyhZ2Omv43lI+Zajf8EG8aoAmSMi1I0b6GpJ694h3mvxyJAUjyKGAbHk1ZyC+55Dt7ucHPsyVkT5B1G3+G6B7Uzv9wGCv7MzlsuS5cu42NE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3Z6p8e+V8G87tc8RVgArH2NtsGKQtMmtq8VhdNa0GIYU2NgQ3zLNntnHWWrSMTCXMe1+qr/Eth85yRew7Fcdj7yYkYLjpl9/Hi9WvNAPL/VQKM1jjfR9Z+/PQmr3ROiHMOds1Jjgwgjjtt3ZTzIoFEQ0JdtwstxrITYZj1fzdJc=; Message-ID: <572685.58103.qm@web86501.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: e0T1TQcVM1niGVYatQtYFBOzwD_9N19ypSChGXLdvldEUS7HAyVOIVhpJIq9LqawxBUWyyg0M9AJyzCziq10Ruh9SdjIGlS8pEB.VMX1pYFp8x3rZQWiHBkNuyDFXAzvITY8Q0SL9niN0yKs8TFTCKZyEswMeAY9..Zf9jhGKW1nsoxYTeTgie8ckTxPFpNaCLAg09zyCbJCKapJUZA_zE9bqTIOBA.nwSB__CDM5wKzRKdYd16MZuotXCTBtqVIqhobmniWbqryQeS0ftduYsbdsour6a.08THkZ1zPQWgQZrgYEFO.mFTcwl_nFBLvrguMEW3pDZp8dKRl1SOnR5TRags12_73IVk- Received: from [81.131.32.163] by web86501.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:37:56 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:37:56 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d252.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass Hi Stephan, well if you are running an optic cable why not run power as we= ll. It should be relatively easy to keep the pick out of the power rail.= If you are worreied about pick up on the power rails use a rechargable ba= ttery and just use the power feed when you are not receiving for rechargin= g the battery. Coax is not always the answer, and the old fashioned method of balanced pa= irs is often more effective, If you use a centre-tapped transformer at eac= h end you can even feed the power down the "phanton circuit". My old affil= iation to a telephone company is showing :-)) Alan G3NYK --- On Wed, 16/12/09, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer = wrote: > From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer > Subject: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Wednesday, 16 December, 2009, 16:51 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Dear Lowfers, >=20 >=20 > I > want to > start a new subject (for me it's > new)... >=20 > The > last weeks > I still had RX problems, either with the tx antenna or with > the short E-flied RX > antenna. >=20 > I > found out > that the noise was/is generated by my notebook which made > RXing difficult, even > in regions without any else local QRM (what could almost > bring me to shut down > the PC and just do nice and easy CW QSOs without anything > else! (but most > traffic is in QRSS...)). >=20 > Then > I have > done mni tests with many many ferrite cores (that I found > in an older emc lab > in our institute), e.g. 20x FT50-77 plus 20x FT50-43 plus > 20x FT50-61 and e few > others. I placed them all in series, partly in the near of > the preamp and/or in > the near of the RX. Sure, there was a significant reduction > of noise but lastly > the noise remains.=20 >=20 > Accidentally, > during a test with my VFO connected to the same 12V supply > of my preamp, I observed > a strong line in the argo monitor EVEN without an antenna > (short wire) > connected to the VFO and when turned the amplitude to zero! > That meant for me, the > VFO and its supply is not suppressed enough and so some RF > comes to the preamp > by the coax and supply line! (the preamp is supplied by a > battery). I thought, I > can use this (normally unwanted) coupling path to test the > blocking capability > of the ferrite cores and so I tried it with all variations > and later with an > additional BIG ferrite core and many turns of RG174. As I > meant, surely there > is a significant noise reduction but the line in argo was > still well visible! >=20 > What > I have > done then (since 4 days) is using a coupling link by an > optic transmission of > the 137kHz signal between the preamp and my RX using a SFH750V > as the TX Diode and a SFH350 > as the RX and abt 20m of a fiber optic cable (yes, there > are surely more suited > components but these were available in the moment). These > are also used as > optic links into high end audio systems and therefore easy > to get... >=20 > Now, > when > placing the preamp on the same place then during the tests > before and just > changing the coax by the fiber optic cable, the line by the > VFO was completely > gone!! Just with an antenna connected to the VFO and high > amplitude (and thus e > real near-field =E2=80=9Cconnection=E2=80=9D) it came back. The > overall noise level > decreased to its absolute minimum during all the tests. >=20 >=20 > Before > I used > this optic cable the only signal that could be received > (out of the city with > much much qrm) was DCF39 and DLF and so on. Now, DCF39 came > out with much > better SNR and I saw the first LF Stn at all, it was Ossi / > OE5ODL transmitting > his 5s in the evening (tnx! very nice SNR in QRSS3 > mode). >=20 > My > conclusion > is, that the qrm is always brought to the very sensitive > E-field antenna by the > coax, even when doing many usual suppression methods cause > there always remains > a residual coupling impedance between both sides of the > cable. Furthermore a > long coax cable, say 20m away from the shack carries some > qrm to the near of > the rx antenna so the effective distance to the shack is > always reduced. >=20 > One > small disadvantage > of this method is the need for a battery supply. My TX > diode needs abt 20mA and > is now working since 3 days with a 7AH Lead Acid battery. > In the future I plan > to use a stereo optic cable. Then, one could switch the > preamp on and off by > the seconds line doing it the opposite way. So, smaller > batteries could be > used, which is necessary when mounting the preamp to a > shaky fiber mast if one > does not want to change the batteries each few hours > ;-) >=20 > Signal > distortion seems to be no problem, as I can confirm until > now. >=20 > Now, > my K2 has > an optical LF input! ;-) >=20 > Perhaps > this > will give some ideas to the local qrm bothered stns who > tried everything with > ferrite cores, isolating transformers and so on without a > satisfying result. >=20 > NOTE: I do not know if anyone has tried > this before and has > written a publication about that. My goal is not > to be the hero in inventions, to become popular and > especially not to compete with > anyone (like it seems > to be usual in career/job to be the one who gets the pay > rise) but just to > share my ideas to those who are interested to try something > new (?). I do not > say that my solution is the best at all and so on! But, if > it will help only > one Lowfer getting new ideas and improving his station, and > if this improvement > results in more activity on the band, then it would have > helped all of us! >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > 73s > es 55 de > Stefan / DK7FC >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (rly-mb01.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.154]) by air-mb01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB013-ce54b1f8377134; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 06:01:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB011-ce54b1f8377134; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 06:01:12 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIKGx-0000aA-Kp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:59:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIKGx-0000a1-3P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:59:55 +0000 Received: from mail-ew0-f214.google.com ([209.85.219.214]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIKGw-00020f-7U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:59:55 +0000 Received: by ewy6 with SMTP id 6so1807894ewy.29 for ; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 02:59:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=6PRlEDeUbNcmP1MlIKUFKg7y+gJt1MeaPNdn0PDc9Mk=; b=hw5jFTnrfkT0tjKk/I0RFX/JzWtYl8XpGnPcaNU/KxackR7kAQOy8Z6gwx5+YWvfhf cuA9eahaIvjh5UAbllk2gbaofE9EochEzZEx9NnkN0kZcwtEEhOioxdmvNt/q9g8DhPD Zos9I3kNurI559zMrMCWWQyqKVnPIk8UJJeZs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=wHUpQCdJXpncrypnn7e+8+bvYhy8M3aDI2Bt7mFlwvMmUy6jn+nnY91vm3ONuxmgJZ /VpS0fl16iKPKeEBtTVUrrwbqiMcRdRCPgI/XPcPzDovfa96lie0hBOkh3rrjqMactyS Xr9ka4XSN4m9vPydZC3Et/0tYr+rxfmDo4MQU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.98.140 with SMTP id q12mr751048ebn.1.1260356384914; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 02:59:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1260131464.3779.5.camel@gerhard-desktop> References: <42030EE58BDD4FA78C88635B91BDFB78@2a2d7ed321c6425> <1260131464.3779.5.camel@gerhard-desktop> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 11:59:44 +0100 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anton_B=E4rtschi?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Unser QSO auf 137,7 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504502d4b29cfce4047a49963d X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m223.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00504502d4b29cfce4047a49963d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Servus Gerhard Nein, es hat keine Verwechslung stattgefunden. Ich hatte mit euch beiden= ein QSO! Ebenfalls vielen Dank an Dich, lieber Gerhard, OE3GHB, f=FCr das interessante und nette QSO. Eine recht grosse Distanz quer =FCber die Alpe= n. 73 de Toni Am 6. Dezember 2009 21:31 schrieb Gerhard Hickl : > Servus Toni! > > Hier ist OE3GHB...ebenfalls Gerhard und wir hatten auch ein QSO.... > > Weil ja DK6NI von einer m=F6glichen Verwechslung schreibt, wei=DF ich je= tzt > auch nicht so genau wen Du meinst....... > > AWDH es 73 > > OE3GHB > > Gerhard > > > > Am Sonntag, den 06.12.2009, 21:15 +0100 schrieb Anton B=E4rtschi: > > Hallo Gerhard > > Sorry f=FCr die versp=E4tete Antwort, alle deine Posts sind in meinem > > Spam-Ordner gelandet. > > Unser QSO hat wunderbar geklappt und du bist in meinem Log. Dein > > Signal war gut lesbar, absolut "O"! > > Meine Antenne ist etwa gleich, nur die Leistung h=F6her: 500W bis 1KW= je > > nach Anpassung. > > Vielen Dank f=FCr das QSO und 73 aus der Westschweiz > > de Toni HB9ASB in JN36NU > > > > Anton B=E4rtschi > > Les fermes 24 > > 1792 Cordast > > Schweiz > > > > 2009/12/3 Beckmann, Gerhard > > > > > > Hallo Toni, > > > > > > > > =85falls die Mail nicht durchgekommen war=85. > > > > > > > > Besten Dank f=FCr ein kurzes Lebenszeichen. > > > > > > > > vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI > > > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Von: Beckmann, Gerhard [mailto:beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de] > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Dezember 2009 22:01 > > An: 'Beckmann, Gerhard'; 'Anton B=E4rtschi' > > Betreff: AW: Unser QSO auf 137,7 > > > > > > > > > > Hallo Toni, > > > > > > > > nur eine kurze Frage: > > > > Hattest Du mein Signal lesen k=F6nnen oder war es eine > > Verwechslung meinerseits? > > > > > > > > Besten Dank + vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI > > > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Von: Beckmann, Gerhard [mailto:beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de] > > Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. November 2009 23:06 > > An: 'Anton B=E4rtschi' > > Betreff: Unser QSO auf 137,7 > > > > > > > > > > Hallo Toni, > > > > > > > > besten Dank f=FCr das ufb QSO auf 137,72 in QRSS3! > > > > Mein Rig: > > > > TX:Ropex mit ca. 100 Watt. > > > > RX: TS 440 S > > > > Antenne: endgespeister Draht mit 40 Meter L=E4nge und ca. 10 > > Meter H=F6he. > > > > (sehr schlechte l=F6sung f=FCr LF ---hi--) > > > > > > > > vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI > > > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --00504502d4b29cfce4047a49963d Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Servus Gerhard
Nein, es hat keine Verwechslung stattgefunden. Ich hatte= mit euch beiden ein QSO! Ebenfalls vielen Dank an Dich, lieber Gerhard,= OE3GHB, f=FCr das interessante und nette QSO. Eine recht grosse Distanz= quer =FCber die Alpen.
73 de Toni

Am 6. Dezember 2009 21:31 sch= rieb Gerhard Hickl <gerhard.hickl@aon.at>:
Servus Toni!

Hier =A0ist OE3GHB...ebenfalls Gerhard und wir hatten auch ein QSO....

Weil ja DK6NI von einer m=F6glichen Verwechslung schreibt, wei=DF ich jetz= t
auch nicht so genau wen Du meinst.......

AWDH es 73

OE3GHB

Gerhard



Am Sonntag, den 06.12.2009, 21:15 +0100 schrieb Anton B=E4rtschi:
> Hallo Gerhard
> Sorry f=FCr die versp=E4tete Antwort, alle deine Posts sind in meinem=
> Spam-Ordner gelandet.
> Unser QSO hat wunderbar geklappt und du bist in meinem Log. Dein
> Signal war gut lesbar, absolut "O"!
> Meine Antenne ist etwa gleich, nur die Leistung h=F6her: 500W bis 1KW= je
> nach Anpassung.
> Vielen Dank f=FCr das QSO und 73 aus der Westschweiz
> de Toni HB9ASB in JN36NU
>
> Anton B=E4rtschi
> Les fermes 24
> 1792 Cordast
> Schweiz
>
> 2009/12/3 Beckmann, Gerhard <beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de>
>
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Hallo Toni,
>
>
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> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =85falls die Mail nicht durchgekommen war=85.
>
>
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> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Besten Dank f=FCr ein kurzes Lebenszeichen.
>
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> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 vy 73 de Gerhard =A0// DK6NI
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> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =3D=3D=3D=3D
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>
>
>
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> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 _____________________________________________________= _________
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Von: Beckmann, Gerhard [mailto:beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de]
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Dezember 2009 22:01
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 An: 'Beckmann, Gerhard'; 'Anton B=E4rtsch= i'
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Betreff: AW: Unser QSO auf 137,7
>
>
>
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Hallo Toni,
>
>
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> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 nur eine kurze Frage:
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> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Hattest Du mein Signal lesen k=F6nnen oder war es ein= e
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Verwechslung meinerseits?
>
>
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> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Besten Dank + vy 73 de Gerhard =A0// =A0DK6NI
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> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
>
>
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>
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> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 _____________________________________________________= _________
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Von: Beckmann, Gerhard [mailto:beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de]
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. November 2009 23:06
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 An: 'Anton B=E4rtschi'
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Betreff: Unser QSO auf 137,7
>
>
>
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Hallo Toni,
>
>
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 besten Dank f=FCr das ufb QSO auf 137,72 in QRSS3! >
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Mein Rig:
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 TX:Ropex mit ca. 100 Watt.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 RX: TS 440 S
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Antenne: endgespeister Draht mit 40 Meter L=E4nge und= ca. 10
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Meter H=F6he.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 (sehr schlechte l=F6sung= f=FCr LF ---hi--)
>
>
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> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 vy 73 de Gerhard =A0// =A0DK6NI
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> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =3D=3D=3D
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--00504502d4b29cfce4047a49963d-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (rly-mg06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.112]) by air-mg08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG083-a184b31eb88155; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:06:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG062-a184b31eb88155; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:06:01 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNO5M-0003Um-Gb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:04:52 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNO5M-0003Ud-3E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:04:52 +0000 Received: from mail-gx0-f210.google.com ([209.85.217.210]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNO5K-0001U1-9n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:04:52 +0000 Received: by gxk2 with SMTP id 2so6237889gxk.4 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 02:04:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=/vRtmS8FG86KbDN8N8wjKShMWsf8YcUpPQutbWqeJUQ=; b=xCUh3YkvDpqCw/5NJZcdjNnCHHMnBLA4Dzb4qmyn8IjBYbD8/wl76VsalxbMTzeTRd BU8qWMyviOF0M7KF9f5m6O03wgpO6JwyY/a4P82OQARxf6gVFmDiokSDZ84cnhhD40lI IeYd5+nhEETxB4iMLiigrywfwh8CsxTV4HWYk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ZK0xb2p6pxT6U4vjHZFtVlcGdHyP2K8VjL0AoM1478J+y2P2ncvmXBmTqJ2deIZQbY zzYIu/8/O86vzb3FW0XqA1id5wavgSWJu5QPQf2srYBWAk7/03BUldd7JS+yZxPhrECe OE8emgXLWbCFKS2TJMz8pZRSmq2anvnsgfS7k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.6.28 with SMTP id 28mr9767108ybf.262.1261562671784; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 02:04:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B31DA34.1050805@online.fr> References: <035375487725449FBCB051DF5928E886@ns94d01ae4d850> <4B31DA34.1050805@online.fr> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:04:31 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca70912230204p2cc823f7q9985346ab292ba36@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: LF T/A [137kHz] XGJ last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d241.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Jean-Pierre, WD2XGJ began transmission quite late, after 04:00 UTC. Please do not compare the propagation as WD2XGJ is using the low power (220 Watts output) transmitter last night and for the next few days - this is approximately 9dB below the usual power! Joyeux No=EBl ! --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 3:52 AM, "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 (F1AFJ)" wrote: > Hello Warren , > Please , =A0what time brought your beacon into service ? > It seems to me that it was not visible at the beginning ! > With the renewal of activity of the sun , it should be > noted that propagation LF is much less good ? > 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (rly-mg01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.107]) by air-mg10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG103-9f24b16e0cb234; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:49:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG014-9f24b16e0cb234; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:49:01 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFx39-00080a-Aw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:47:51 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFx38-00080R-NK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:47:50 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFx36-00009f-OC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:47:50 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.2]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091202214743.DSAI27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 21:47:43 +0000 Received: from [81.109.251.184] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFx31-0006ks-3i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:47:43 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 21:47:36 -0000 Message-ID: <039c01ca7399$0fba2b50$0317aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcpzmQ93OVbqV/c4RKqqHeeAvYOQXg== X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=YqLsYnVfhtUXonDsUfIA:9 a=Wv05LZ0gmVyP3O7KSdg-1tkRRqQA:4 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=1HRL9fLgBEkm2tmuvqMA:9 a=wRtdpeldiJjKzphRbsgA:7 a=B3yg9a29G-rdehzGpfS7n_oSaOgA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: SM6BHZ voice beacon loud Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_039D_01CA7399.0FBA2B50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_90_100, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_039D_01CA7399.0FBA2B50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit EOM With best regards Jim ------=_NextPart_000_039D_01CA7399.0FBA2B50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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 Jim

------=_NextPart_000_039D_01CA7399.0FBA2B50-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df05.mx.aol.com (rly-df05.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.18]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF024-5534b364e6b2be; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 12:57:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF058-5534b364e6b2be; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 12:57:01 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOarz-00067i-T5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:56:03 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOarz-00067Z-GO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:56:03 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOary-0005Vn-Rg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:56:03 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.1]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091226175057.IUJT27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:50:57 +0000 Received: from [86.27.92.51] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOan2-00045o-T3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:50:57 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <4B364B7F.3528.1CE8517@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:50:56 -0000 Message-ID: <005201ca8653$fa1750c0$0217aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcqGUzrGdXQc4o5xS0C06YsRf/EiMQAAIuwg In-Reply-To: <4B364B7F.3528.1CE8517@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=bPV2uaBrCK0c115Nj8QA:9 a=6eeeARsjx1BujqozhkGbOmF11RwA:4 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: XDV beacon Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Mike I am running a RTTY beacon (vy QRPppp), on 137.5 can you copy it? I might switch to WSPR mode later and see if that can be picked up or try QRSS10 With best regards Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Mike Dennison Sent: 26 December 2009 17:45 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: XDV beacon I will be transmitting 'XDV' on 136.31975kHz overnight. It looks another station is already on 136.319kHz - probably DJ8WX. Mike, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.77]) by air-da05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA052-86154b39dfbe24a; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 05:53:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 200D738000135; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 05:53:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPZgo-0008Jw-ET for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:52:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPZgn-0008Jn-Vk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:52:33 +0000 Received: from mail-pz0-f177.google.com ([209.85.222.177]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPZgk-0002wn-K6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:52:33 +0000 Received: by pzk7 with SMTP id 7so121538pzk.30 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 02:52:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=c0k5e6HsCTf5XV20HOslIHcCsZVV3DOUF4wm9XW/DOo=; b=NBMX7/jU42roeuN8OF93xJNcz7vJPewptb2nIsv4kvZ4ArYGwdAYjerNLLA0I6PjDD NT33uUx0gSjpLlyUE5HkoGa1U+4HyUC5iypEhCA790L77K05u7ubl9xkZ2yt2ZZAR/bq pvdsH1Dn+pOVrQlCXPWFitWzYPu8EwlhcC3ak= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=hdDO3lGt10F0zLoz1nYn0ebiAIWc6NysdHHyg93Gs77iEWnXoxLiuRYta2KcmYFYWn TiX4hgamtTvHOOIKIaj7mnS+7hlpuq2RUk3JNZJBbFNCgfss5irUl9F1KeBaEgnuxa6A lXr9NULIp/6mrJzlfiS+303kK9xO7WaJRTY+s= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.14.12 with SMTP id r12mr11947348rvi.264.1262083942385; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 02:52:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B38F1A1.30805.16EAE3D@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> References: <4B38F1A1.30805.16EAE3D@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:52:22 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 37b9539c2948bd66 Message-ID: <1f0624b90912290252v2236785fg7138347199badb92@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: XDV beacon tonight Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=000e0cd10622100988047bdbd1c6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52682 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404d4b39dfbe2d7f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --000e0cd10622100988047bdbd1c6 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1062210097c047bdbd1c4 --000e0cd1062210097c047bdbd1c4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dave, LF, Screen grab attached taken at 2200utc last night, four signals seen. 73 Gary - G4WGT. 2009/12/28 Mike Dennison > I will be beaconing overnight again using QRSS60 on 136.3198kHz. I > note that PA3CPM is already on 136.3180kHz. > > Mike, G3XDV > ========== > > --000e0cd1062210097c047bdbd1c4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave, LF,

Screen grab attached taken at 2200utc last ni= ght, four signals seen.

73

Gary - G4WGT.


2009/12/28= Mike Dennison <mike.dennison@ntlworld.com>
I will be beaconing overnight again using= QRSS60 on 136.3198kHz. I
note that PA3CPM is already on 136.3180kHz.

Mike, G3XDV
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Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Bob, Seen some reasonable traces from you in the last week , IO83LK , none spotted last night , what is the rx set up at WD2XSH/17 as I dont see and ta spots in the data base , this is top of the list (apart from the three oddspots) 2009-11-28 22:52 WD2XSH/29 0.501901 -23 0 EN91qu 2 WD2XSH/17 FN42pb 820 85 ?? 73 - G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert H Reif" Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:06 PM To: Subject: Re: Re: LF: "WA" beacon received at 503kHz. > > Hello, > I've been beaconing WSPR 2.0 on about 503.91 50% duty cycle, most > nights and was on all night last night, the 26th Z. The WSPR > transmissions are identified per our license every 30 minutes at about 30 > WPM at the end of a WSPR transmission. 73 Bob WD2XSH/37 W1XP > ____________________________________________________________ > Criminal Lawyer > Criminal Lawyers - Click here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=cap8B4e7ap2XKdIYzj2QRAAAJ1D5rfaR-77IPsUFbn2LcZ2XAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAiFgAAAAA= > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (rly-mc03.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.87]) by air-mc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC072-d684b20491218e; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:04:34 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC038-d684b20491218e; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:04:19 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIXRD-0007Jf-RD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:03:23 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIXRD-0007JW-5s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:03:23 +0000 Received: from rekin23.go2.pl ([193.17.41.16]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIXRB-0004eJ-Il for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:03:23 +0000 Received: from rekin23.go2.pl (rekin23 [127.0.0.1]) by rekin23.go2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96AC6128808 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:03:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from unknown (unknown [10.0.0.142]) by rekin23.go2.pl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:03:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from 58-178-124-188.rev.pro-internet.pl [188.124.178.58] by poczta.o2.pl with ESMTP id tlrhvh; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:03:17 +0100 Message-ID: <002e01ca7934$8d00a350$3ab27cbc@ap6fnsa53r3k6h> From: "Marcin" To: References: <392758439.1260398409.48146488.79519@mcgi74.rambler.ru> <4B202EA6.1090000@usa.net> <003201ca7930$73dc02b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:03:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-O2-Trust: 2, 64 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 147.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF Signal DDH47 599: http://www.sp2kds.pl/images/stories/braun.jpg http://www.sp2kds.pl/images/stories/marconi.jpg http://www.sp2kds.pl/images/stories/hertz.jpg http://www.sp2kds.pl/images/stories/morse.jpg and audio mp3 signal (7,3MB): http://www.sp2kds.pl/attachments/280_DDH47.mp3 73! Marcin SQ2BXI ----- Original Message ----- From: jrusgrove@comcast.net To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 1:33 AM Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 147.3 Good copy of cw signal 'by ear' in CT ... on a very noisy night. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: Alberto di Bene To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 6:11 PM Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 147.3 Beautiful copy of DDH47, but then, given their power, it is not a great surprise.... 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma04.mx.aol.com (rly-ma04.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.48]) by air-ma04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA044-8a14b251062107; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:04:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA043-8a14b251062107; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:03:47 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJqtl-00058W-85 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:02:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJqtk-00058J-T6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:02:16 +0000 Received: from [85.37.17.112] (helo=smtp-out112.alice.it) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJquE-0004iM-93 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:02:48 +0000 Received: from FBCMMO04.fbc.local ([192.168.184.135]) by smtp-out112.alice.it with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:02:13 +0100 Received: from FBCMCL01B07.fbc.local ([192.168.171.45]) by FBCMMO04.fbc.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:00:12 +0100 Received: from IK1ODO.spin-it.com ([87.24.41.185]) by FBCMCL01B07.fbc.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:00:11 +0100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:59:54 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Marco IK1ODO In-Reply-To: <007b01ca7c0c$167e7b00$0201a8c0@Clemens04> References: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> <241919.87622.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9afca2640912130305r3acb5e5fs991caaa1115d2255@mail.gmail.com> <6E7638745A1B43168C402CDBB010C2A7@AGB> <007b01ca7c0c$167e7b00$0201a8c0@Clemens04> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2009 16:00:11.0935 (UTC) FILETIME=[59F862F0:01CA7C0D] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: IK1HSS WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 At 16.50 13/12/2009, you wrote: >Are you sure abt the frequencies? >I think with "carrier" you mean the dial qrg,i.e. 136.420. >If so, 137.740 is 80Hz below the wspr band. > >73 >Clemens >DL4RAJ Hello Clemens, the WSPR signal frequency is now 137.751 +/- 2 Hz - the dial should be 136.250 I hate this "dial" way of specifying QRG :-) - Marco IK1HSS's signal is on 137.751 for me. Is there a WSPR recommended sub-band? If I add 80 Hz to 137.740 I end out of the band ... 73 - Marco IK1ODO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (rly-dc01.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.30]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC043-afd4b335676243; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 06:54:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC011-afd4b335676243; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 06:54:34 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNmFB-0008FU-QY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:52:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNmFB-0008FL-En for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:52:37 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s15.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.25]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNmF9-0003Bv-Hq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:52:37 +0000 Received: from COL122-W31 ([65.55.34.9]) by col0-omc1-s15.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 24 Dec 2009 03:50:57 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:50:57 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4B32935D.1000006@toya.net.pl> References: <4B32935D.1000006@toya.net.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Dec 2009 11:50:57.0474 (UTC) FILETIME=[5AF5FA20:01CA848F] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_8b05c036-2599-414d-9c27-2f2d5c73c6e9_" Subject: RE: LF: Christmas X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_8b05c036-2599-414d-9c27-2f2d5c73c6e9_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Piotr, LF! The same to you ... Merry Christmas! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS ********************* > Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 23:02:05 +0100 > From: sq7mpj@toya.net.pl > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Christmas >=20 > Dear LF Friends, >=20 > Merry Christmas to all of You and your Families, >=20 > 73 de Piotr, sq7mpj >=20 > qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ >=20 >=20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9= =ED informace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_8b05c036-2599-414d-9c27-2f2d5c73c6e9_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Piotr, LF!
The same to you ... Merry Christmas!

Lubos, OK2= BVG, JN88KS

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> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 200= 9 23:02:05 +0100
> From: sq7mpj@toya.net.pl
> To: rsgb_lf_grou= p@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: Christmas
>
> Dear LF= Friends,
>
> Merry Christmas to all of You and your Fa= milies,
>
> 73 de Piotr, sq= 7mpj
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> qth: Lodz /jo91rs/
>
>
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Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s= ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. =3D --_8b05c036-2599-414d-9c27-2f2d5c73c6e9_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me06.mx.aol.com (rly-me06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.40]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME033-9bd4b1dab4975; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 20:26:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME061-9bd4b1dab4975; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 20:26:34 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHopR-0004WC-Ea for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 01:25:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHopR-0004W3-0K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 01:25:25 +0000 Received: from mcgi68.rambler.ru ([81.19.67.204]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHopP-0000Cl-Ik for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 01:25:24 +0000 Received: from [91.77.89.121] by mcgi68.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Tue, 08 Dec 2009 04:25:19 +0300 From: Roman RW3ADB To: Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 04:25:19 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <1523192292@web.de> <545734478.1260209420.51424136.43539@mcgi72.rambler.ru> Message-Id: <1256541310.1260235519.56124792.45022@mcgi68.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (untone), http://mail.rambler.ru X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 in QRSS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format="flowed" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Horst, LF! Tell me pse gentleman's is it DDH-47 on the my screen's? http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2009/8dec2009_DDH47/ddh47_00000.jpg http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2009/8dec2009_DDH47/ddh47_00001.jpg http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2009/8dec2009_DDH47/ddh47_00002.jpg http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2009/8dec2009_DDH47/img0001.jpg http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2009/8dec2009_DDH47/img0002.jpg http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2009/8dec2009_DDH47/img0003.jpg http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2009/8dec2009_DDH47/img0004.jpg http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2009/8dec2009_DDH47/img0005.jpg http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2009/8dec2009_DDH47/img0006.jpg http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2009/8dec2009_DDH47/img0007.jpg http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2009/8dec2009_DDH47/img0009.jpg http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2009/8dec2009_DDH47/img0010.jpg http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2009/8dec2009_DDH47/img0011.jpg http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2009/8dec2009_DDH47/img0012.jpg Is not audible in Moscow now into my location. Local QRN/QRM S6 now. I'm looked the simple trace when own QRMing broadcaster Yunost-FM 153 kHz working at around 2300MSC LT. Where the QRSS trace will be? On the 147.300.0? Or 147.330? Moscow local time on the all screens. Roman * Roman RW3ADB [Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:10:20 +0300]: > Hi Horst, LF! > > * Horst Stöcker [Mon, 07 Dec 2009 10:18:16 > +0100]: > > Hello, > > I just quoted the first message that was published somewhere I do not > > remember at all. > > Great that you remarked the mistake. > > The date 9-11 December should be right. > > Both dates will be right? twice transmission? > I'm understood right? > > > I is also published in the "official" flyer 1.0 nobeld.pdf > > 73 HORST > > > > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > > Von: "Roman RW3ADB" > > > Gesendet: 07.12.09 02:49:11 > > > An: > > > Betreff: Re: LF: DDH47 in QRSS > > > > > > > Hello Horst, LF! > > > Remember about your info and look > > > http://www.doese-apprt.de/pfbday/nobel.html today again. > > > I can see that info: > > > >>From 9th December 2009 23:00 until 10th December 2009 01:00 UTC > the > > > transmitter is available for 2 hours in telegraphy. > > > > > > It will be possible more exact about that? > > > > > > It will be from 9 to 10 or from 10 to 11? What is true? > > > > > > * Horst Stöcker [Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:52:11 > > > +0100]: > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > despite some of you might have heard about the following news, I > was > > > > very surprised and I am looking forward to this event: > > > > > > > > DDH47 147.3 khz in QRSS 3 > > > > > > > > In Honor of Nobelprize Winner Marconi and Prof. Ferdinand Braun a > > > > special transmission will be Date: > > > > > > > > 10. Dec 2009 Time: Start 2300 UTC > > > > > > > > Frequ. 147,3 kc Mode: > > > > > > > > QRSS 3 > > > > > > > > PWR: 20 kW > > > > > > > > The weather forcast transmitter Pinneberg DDH47 will stop RTTY ( > 50 > > > Bd) > > > > transmission in between 10. Dec 2300h UTC and 11. Dec 001 UTC In > > this > > > > timegap, the TX will be used for a special event transmission. > Short > > > > words in QRRS 3 will be transmitted. After the transmission You > may > > > > confirm the receiving at a shortwave frequency or via Internet ( > QRG > > > and > > > > adress will be given later) You may check propagation every day / > > > night > > > > at 147,3 Kc DDH47, because the TX is working 24 Hours > > > > > > > > vy73 Horst DO1KHS > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > > > Neu: WEB.DE DSL bis 50.000 kBit/s und 200,- Euro Startguthaben! > > > > http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Roman RW3ADB. > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > GRATIS für alle WEB.DE-Nutzer: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! > > Jetzt freischalten unter http://movieflat.web.de > > > > > > > > -- Roman RW3ADB. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb05.mx.aol.com (rly-mb05.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.163]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB073-d0c4b1fd511ec; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:49:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB058-d0c4b1fd511ec; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:49:22 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIPhr-0003B0-5D for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:48:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIPhq-0003Ar-Nj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:48:02 +0000 Received: from mail-yx0-f203.google.com ([209.85.210.203]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIPhp-0004HY-Cn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:48:02 +0000 Received: by yxe41 with SMTP id 41so17435830yxe.30 for ; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:47:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=G53Yb04Qq7zYPxsQylYgc2OSx41NMSs8LB11KQbK2eY=; b=UkNYauCTURrFILQV7QrlM5KIbtO1dq+YGtQiUgDAq+o/uIAGvMj/cGSEv3fPmB15/C 8hpngXTVGVj7RAq6498Fp+P1SxWA2KO2Eg0XVXU8XS9BKuso4EyPjB//mkNIZ4lvg9xK 2sXR43xnvq7FO+17BivKdAGWZNGrzp84Jp010= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=JVj7brDOnDQ+RprnXNS8ccUy6ZfHP3BlJOzR4aTnk64uYAhPlDHsNCODJZOFYr9eii /pX4IziZXnfPkrtbeMIai6jeOsFCtFVZcq0nV0q/tZ4qMvx92J2nGYG95xPT8V4LlXvy ckhCOMQkONiDsI9OH8SibUNlitibOr/Y6qx6Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.179.12 with SMTP id b12mr16908339ybf.156.1260377273128; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:47:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <135E792448854F708A9745D2BD305468@gmc.net> References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <135E792448854F708A9745D2BD305468@gmc.net> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 11:47:53 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca70912090847g630617d9od95b7317be42b420@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m227.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Petr, I understand your concern. I doubt that W&S will sell very many (perhaps none?) at this price. 100 watts is not much power at this frequency and 690 GBP (827 Euro) is a lot of money for this TX. In any case a ham would have to build the antenna and obtain a means to measure swr - there is still work to do even if you don't build the transmitter. Ropex was hampered by having a single crystal controlled frequency and the crystal was relatively hard to change - BUT it was much cheaper that the TX-2200a! --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2009/12/9 Petr Mal=FD : > Well, I am not sure that it is a good news, in fact. So far only people= that > were able and willing to build their own TX's (Ropex First was not a hit= , > was it) were on the band. And the ham-spirit existed on the band. Someth= ing > that I loved and admired most. > I am sure some people will invest the money. It will be much easier for= them > to get on the band and therefore they will not appreciate the band as we > did. Hopefully no one will start to produce the loading coils as well.= At > least something that the newcomers should manage. > > 73, Petr, OK1FIG > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 4:30 PM > Subject: LF: TX-2200A > > >> Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 >> Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver >> muting. >> Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! >> >> http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf >> >> >> >> 73 Warren K2ORS >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XGJ >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XSH/23 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XEB/2 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XGR/1 >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature database 4673 (20091209) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signa= ture > database 4673 (20091209) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md04.mx.aol.com (rly-md04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.142]) by air-md02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD023-8fa4b18121d325; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:32:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD042-8fa4b18121d325; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:31:43 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGHNo-0003sw-PW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:30:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGHNo-0003sn-B7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:30:32 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGHNn-0007lr-Fm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:30:32 +0000 Received: by pwi18 with SMTP id 18so344898pwi.4 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:30:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Yz7TXHgGRcN5v/If45SrWGpCS2rSkqXKD++StxfEz+M=; b=gQZIGzqixzSmo1Fzpbfpox41vf+w9V4t0DJ1sngZ37Q5fyiqFjmDZOsf/dASodZLc+ Q32axKZbZ+xSBIZjOLF5HSLR4WraATvnfQ+IhlDDse7wM27kh47fz1C91+Vqo7DoDFDV MMbVGsAYJw1wLL3K7FCbxgI1fgIkIoJv/dv1A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=fdaibtiYWNyzpLJkyesPaJs5mAaVS3XP+j8PflGWw9nkru1CE79IMsG5t2AcM8UN+v FoodziOg8TUgp0xfefl/tnojzFQJhNUMqXhnb7atc2zYfaRz4jmOSbvfhCMt4KblB/Nh 9oGj0xW/0I2/tb5++lLxFlLKds/pYAdrV4/XY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.170.13 with SMTP id s13mr120920rve.117.1259868624466; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:30:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20091203194531.or926chzk844g4k8@webmail6.kuleuven.be> References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B16987B.9000002@usa.net> <4B179DE6.3050608@usa.net> <20091203194531.or926chzk844g4k8@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 19:30:24 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2538c60fc4b1be8c Message-ID: <1f0624b90912031130h43907489v2d13f8cfc00ec8fc@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd2999ed335db0479d805ba X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m211.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd2999ed335db0479d805ba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Rik, LF, I have run my 300 watt class D Tx at 1 watt ERP on 500kHz & my Mini-Whip is only about 4 metres away & is still working OK. Very solid design. 73, Gary - G4WGT. 2009/12/3 Rik Strobbe > Roelof, > > I cannot agree, a Belgian beer can will provide at least 10dB better SNR > ;-) > > Now serious: I have been thinking about a simple but good RX antenna for > LF, MF and the lower HF range and you mini-whip seems the right solution. > But will the preamp survive when pumping a few 100W into my 500kHz TX > antenna (lazy-L) that will be only 25m away ? > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > Quoting Roelof Bakker : > > Hello Alberto, >> >> I am not much in beer myself, but there seems to be a famous Dutch brand, >> that I can recommend! >> >> 73, >> Roelof, pa0rdt >> >> >> > > > --000e0cd2999ed335db0479d805ba Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rik, LF,

I have run my 300 watt class D Tx at 1 watt ER= P on 500kHz & my Mini-Whip is only about 4 metres away & is still= working OK. Very solid design.

73,
Gary - G4WGT.

2009/12/3 Rik= Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
Roelof,

I cannot agree, a Belgian beer can will provide at least 10dB better SNR= ;-)

Now serious: I have been thinking about a simple but good RX antenna for= LF, MF and the lower HF range and you mini-whip seems the right solution.=
But will the preamp survive when pumping a few 100W into my 500kHz TX ante= nna (lazy-L) that will be only 25m away ?

73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T


Quoting Roelof Bakker <roelof@ndb.demon.nl>:

Hello Alberto,

I am not much in beer myself, but there seems to be a famous Dutch brand,<= br> that I can recommend!

73,
Roelof, pa0rdt






--000e0cd2999ed335db0479d805ba-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df07.mx.aol.com (rly-df07.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.20]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF082-5674b2b615e1c3; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 06:03:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF078-5674b2b615e1c3; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 06:02:56 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLaXJ-0000gA-Mw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:58:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLaXJ-0000g1-BM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:58:17 +0000 Received: from psmtp13.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.25]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLaa2-0003Aq-1p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:01:08 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp13.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KUU009U3HAMA6@psmtp13.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:01:35 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:01:12 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <573323820EB74A7CBE1147662C7C100D@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: xgj 18-12.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_sXZ/Da/oY85pvYT/uxfQNQ)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --Boundary_(ID_sXZ/Da/oY85pvYT/uxfQNQ) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_nY2DebFGlzZ0ra7Vf3L7UA)" --Boundary_(ID_nY2DebFGlzZ0ra7Vf3L7UA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Warren,LF Capture XGJ Henny cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: xgj 18-12.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. --Boundary_(ID_nY2DebFGlzZ0ra7Vf3L7UA) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Hi Warren,LF
Capture XGJ
Henny cpm
best 73s
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ESMTP id <20091215104855.RMEH2093.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:48:55 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:48:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B276993.20102.2F3B53E@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC66@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> References: <4B250D02.733.14E9A34@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com>, <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC66@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1ggfb5FlKZQUfF3vzm9UBYZ2uTfLsbs/8dSljwg5+mE= c=1 sm=0 a=O9dtVte1ovYA:10 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=M_HgAKFWd3RFuGdMFhwA:9 a=khjKGsC3Q3Vw4avutksQ3pI76dYA:4 a=HoX5Jy1NpWjuyRrJ:21 a=p_wtBvFYH2H4AFiB:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: AW: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On 15 Dec 2009 at 11:03, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > If the "gain" or better said SNR between qrss30 and qrss3 is 10dB, so > can I do a QSO to VK with 1W TX Power and an antenna efficiency of > 1/1000 if I choose QRSS10000000000? That's a litte jokingly formulated > but you know what I mean. In other words, where are the limitations of > this rule?=20 =20 This is certainly theoretically possible, but only if 'ground-wave'=20 is being used. If you are using sky-wave - as all intercontinental=20 QSOs have so far - you are limited by the length of time that the=20 path is open. Between UK and eastern US, this is a maximum of a few=20 hours, but often very much less, which is why the speed must be a=20 compromise between length of the 'opening' and the length to transmit=20 the information. This compromise usually result in using QRSS60.=20 Between Europe and VK/ZL any 'opening' is likely to be only a few=20 minutes making a two-way QSO extremely difficult. > So, qsos could be done much faster if choosing 10x the > power and stay in qrss3. The additional advantage would be, if I try > to do a TA QSO I could just stay in the region of 137.7 and those who > are qrv in qrss3 and only watch the qrss3-sector would get a nice > signal and thus more fascination for the LF-hobby=20 Yes, in theory, and very occasionally over the last few years VE/US=20 beacons have been recorded at QRSS3. In the UK, a few stations can=20 manage to transmit 1W ERP. Despite that, there is no evidence of a=20 QRSS3 two-way across the Atlantic.=20 =20 I suggest you monitor the US beacon transmissions around 137.777kHz=20 each night. These are very well engineered high power stations and=20 you will be surprised how difficult the path is, even at their speeds=20 of about QRSS60..=20 Better still, try running some overnight transmissions of your own -=20 there are US stations who will monitor for you if you announce it to=20 this group. Good luck. Mike, G3XDV =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md01.mx.aol.com (rly-md01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.139]) by air-md01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD013-8e34b17dfca14e; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:57:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD013-8e34b17dfca14e; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:57:00 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGE2B-0002cz-KB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:55:59 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGE2B-0002cq-3u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:55:59 +0000 Received: from web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com ([69.147.97.72]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGE27-0006R6-KT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:55:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 17124 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Dec 2009 15:55:49 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1259855749; bh=mkYT+fyv7HAiIK64D4g+a9ozpqMc6IsMvv1iYTfiryE=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Yr064TbPBuSfmQBDLVUWW2WyLyEVNcoo7HhmZ6TkAJMAsvpW16XYNsRPWXPuRg/tW0r7siYJ9AtE9wGivThNjkzUHEy+ZQ/+nsMD0bYivdzy72E/8/JD+GksOGkyP8vyoZr2qsbuoVz/f0DUoWqFPXp/4xVPbAs2rn7AWil4ifE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FT1SMsd7UsN8qR3jwLlyhinI68Ip8d3ZqpqfGZ8/pmg/UmY6pduOhHgAcQ/7SWTvjTBwqj1wINUs7kx42Nx+mJlvkGWOI76wCjDqVyxK39gE06CCc4fvp9l0eL/gnJJiEkCJvypaRZEhOA/hErZLv98sFb601nyOsrDZ3pVLN2o=; Message-ID: <583529.17003.qm@web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: DM.NO6UVM1lFL.YtFZ9KVRhDiQ4j81IDwrWnw73oJtpVDr4FQm56N18ByBT1j_L_2i_aXV90Q_GgQsfD7Wkw5b0jdMmVNZ1wMgPkPXOH779xoR3cpvcsQ5CWWq.wD7MIdGADtddqboFKErenokFp2LMy69bL3FmSqTVi7MIUX88aFTy_UVDOSRyxNcqYi9R3YnV9ZTXoOb1UawWj13AlrkT1vPmaSGihug_8LtJkfupDabT5LOF4q441c2L_mMbMiRTkGj4VGHF6gYyS6zd.3Rb0_81ESQesbGABfM2HnWq8yfMS3Kl3QV7kWwAVcMP8kdesdL2xD8qitVPb0NBffUB_jrzclkiCq8xhEqxaSoI5Sz2jQwcn9uRXq4zUiUIKSpfQqjSgrLrq3o6bzwxxUUvTWfhosR3Vhg1YY4nn2tL.Lw-- Received: from [98.86.4.36] by web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:55:49 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 07:55:49 -0800 (PST) From: Andy - KU4XR To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <1516926426@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: QRM by the Waterfall Display Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d310.2 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : pass --- On Thu, 12/3/09, Horst St=F6cker wrote: > One of the ugliest QRM sources is the waterfall display of > ARGO which can be heard much to loud. >=20 > The QRM is really HF, not a problem of the soundcard. >=20 > I have Siemens Thinkpad Laptop. >=20 > Does anyone know this effect?? >=20 > Horst Horst: The source is the video output of your computer, and laptops are notably worse than desktop computers. Every time that=20 the ARGO waterfall scrolls, you hear a Brrrp, Brrrp noise. If it is the video output, you can tell by looking at pages on the web. Every time the screen changes you will hear noises thru your speakers. It is internal noise in the computer, and I have not found a way to stop it here. I also have the same problem while using Spectran, Spectrum Lab, WinRAD, MultiPSK, any program with a waterfall display makes noise when it scrolls. 73 to you ::: Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29866 KHz ( QRSS-60 ) Coordinates: N: 35* 43' 54" - W: 84* 3' 16" http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr http://webpages.charter.net/ku4xr/ --- On Thu, 12/3/09, Horst St=F6cker wrote: > From: Horst St=F6cker > Subject: LF: QRM by the Waterfall Display > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 10:26 AM > Hello all, >=20 > still preparing for 136 kHz and 500 kHz RECEPTION I > installed a T-Antenna (about 10m high with a 20m wire as > top) to my selective level meter mv-62. >=20 > DCF 37 as reference is more than strong enough. WRW (NDB > Wrozlaw) was heard on 525 kHz, some other NDB too. But > usually the weak HAM signals in this bands can not be > heard/seen because of too much QRM. >=20 > One of the ugliest QRM sources is the waterfall display of > ARGO which can be heard much to loud. >=20 > The QRM is really HF, not a problem of the soundcard. >=20 > I have Siemens Thinkpad Laptop. >=20 > Does anyone know this effect?? >=20 > Horst > ____________________________________________________________________ > Sarah Kreuz, die DSDS-Siegerin der Herzen, mit ihrem > eindrucksvollen > Deb=FCtalbum "One Moment in Time". http://produkte.web.de/go/05/ >=20 >=20 >=20 =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db01.mx.aol.com (rly-db01.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.76]) by air-db08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB083-aa94b26fdb613; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:08:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB017-aa94b26fdb613; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:08:40 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKNjU-0003y7-NJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:05:52 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKNjU-0003xy-6B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:05:52 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s33.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKNku-0007Rn-5I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:07:21 +0000 Received: from BLU146-W12 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s33.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:07:10 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [138.32.244.2] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:07:10 -0900 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4B26CFC2.20402@inext.at> References: <4B26CFC2.20402@inext.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2009 03:07:10.0359 (UTC) FILETIME=[B1390A70:01CA7D33] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_fee9d767-abd1-46e5-a0e2-cc22699c9118_" Subject: LF: BY3A Ops OSsi - X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_fee9d767-abd1-46e5-a0e2-cc22699c9118_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ossi that jpg code gets wiped and updated on the server with the next capt= ure - Ill review the files if you dont have a local copy - yes there was= a "lift/tilt" this morning to the East just at pre dawn but it appears as= ever very selective. DCF39 was down at dawn but that data signal between= the mark and space was up to S7! =20 Overall the 137 qsb was very long and deep later in the night and certainl= y for the stations about the and >5000Kms mark conditions tended to be bet= ter mid evening their time, save the dawn. WPF was strong last night at ti= mes. =20 If you see that line in 137.77500 its a Russian Loran signal and gives you= an idea of how my calibration is on the R75. There are a few over lines= around too. =20 I did have an annoying noise come up occasionally which covers a large are= a outside and does reduce the sensitivity during an "event" =20 Nothing seen on 500 last night - if anyone wants to have another go at WOL= F or WSPR on any both of the bands I can take a look. =20 =20 Tomorrow, Wednesday night is the last night Ill be on from China :-( =20 regards =20 Laurence KL 1 X in BY3 A OM89UA =20 =20 When available - shared - normally active on LF after China dusk - China= snappers will close after this Wednesday - screen autoupdate Internet wil= ling http://kl1x.com/137777China.html China No. 1 receiver (R75 shared probe= ) http://kl1x.com/136318china.html China No. 2 receiver (SDR IQ shared pro= be) http://kl1x.com/Alaska.html Palinville Palmer/Wasilla Alaska (R7= 5 K9AY Set Omni) =20 > Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:52:34 +0100 > From: o.ossy@inext.at > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: BY3A >=20 > http://kl1x.com/777China00000.jpg >=20 > Hallo Dimityr ! > Thanks fer info again, > now its reality the sunrise in china bringing up my signal on BY3A on=20 > 137,775.2 > 73 ossi oe5odl >=20 >=20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/=3D --_fee9d767-abd1-46e5-a0e2-cc22699c9118_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ossi that jpg code gets wiped and updated on the server with the next= capture - Ill review the files if you dont have a local copy - yes there&= nbsp;was a "lift/tilt" this morning to the East just at pre dawn but= it appears as ever very selective. DCF39 was down at dawn but that= data signal between the mark and space  was up to S7!
 
O= verall the 137 qsb was very long and deep later in the night and cert= ainly for the stations about the and >5000Kms mark conditions tended to= be better mid evening their time, save the dawn. WPF was strong last= night at times.
 
If you see that line in 137.77500 its a Russ= ian Loran signal and gives you an idea of how my calibration is on the R75= . There are a few over lines around too.
 
I did have= an annoying noise come up occasionally which covers a large are= a outside and does reduce the sensitivity during an "event"
 
N= othing seen on 500 last night - if anyone wants to have another go at WOLF= or WSPR on any both of the bands I can take a look. 
 
Tomorrow, Wednesday night is the last night Ill be on from China :-(
&n= bsp;
regards
 
Laurence
KL 1 X in BY3 A OM89UA
 
 
When available - shared - normally active on LF after China dusk - China= snappers will close after this Wednesday - screen autoupdate Internet wil= ling

http://kl1x.com/137777Chi= na.html  China No. 1 receiver (R75 shared probe )
http://kl1x.com/136318china.h= tml  China No. 2 receiver (SDR IQ  shared probe)
http://kl1x.com/Alaska.html&nb= sp;         Palinville Palmer/Wasi= lla Alaska  (R75 K9AY Set Omni)
 
> Date: Tue, 15 Dec= 2009 00:52:34 +0100
> From: o.ossy@inext.at
> To: rsgb_lf_gro= up@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: BY3A
>
> http://kl1x.c= om/777China00000.jpg
>
> Hallo Dimityr !
> Thanks fer= info again,
> now its reality the sunrise in china bringing up my= signal on BY3A on
> 137,775.2
> 73 ossi oe5odl
>
&= gt;


Hotmail: Free, trusted and ri= ch email service. Get it now. =3D --_fee9d767-abd1-46e5-a0e2-cc22699c9118_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc01.mx.aol.com (rly-mc01.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.85]) by air-mc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC044-d514b1b97194c; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:36:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC011-d514b1b97194c; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:35:55 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHFOM-0004Je-3s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:35:06 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHFOL-0004JT-Bx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:35:05 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHFOJ-0007xt-PY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:35:05 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.1]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091206112958.FDWB27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:29:58 +0000 Received: from [81.109.251.184] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHFJN-0002CD-OH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:29:58 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <002801ca765e$f543b8e0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <9afca2640912060240x3892a5d0o71d5082089b54a2c@mail.gmail.com> <001901ca7664$d1513dd0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:29:55 -0000 Message-ID: <015a01ca7667$6fc6d090$0317aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: Acp2ZPtltTqUUYcPThWhIojNhO0fUQAAUO+w In-Reply-To: <001901ca7664$d1513dd0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=nN7BH9HXAAAA:8 a=fnYqA7hvAAAA:8 a=j6Q1dnSHAAAA:8 a=V-dNdtHkFusEXE4viDIA:9 a=gLGx7VlPOm1OCLI4NGUA:7 a=caeJK2LONDBOGMg5xSJG5KX05-sA:4 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=muIvw5a9-cgA:10 a=gA6IeH5FQcgA:10 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 a=BasB6fiwQdjzv-xT:21 a=TbApdMMNWDZUbc87:21 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=PZlxuyKcF8OdK73ewTQA:9 a=jwi4ZOeISJBVyF2hEnsA:7 a=3WoUXImd9CP3o0YR60yNBjndnysA:4 a=528HMbSNfIrM0wP8:21 a=JajmPStlvxZ16V5g:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: 500 pirate Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_015B_01CA7667.6FC6D090" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_015B_01CA7667.6FC6D090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Mal Well you have now!! Thanx for the email confirmation that I made it up to you. Broom to Scarborough not bad for my system! Vy psd As for my CWup, I'm still learning the ropes, but it is very pleasing to see so many friendly and helpful types on the band who have been giving me no end of support and guidance as I learn the procedures, (chris jim rik roger dennis pete gary graham gus john p-g and lee to name but a few) A nice friendly band in general. Thanx again for confirmation and helpful suggestions on procedure, I shall add you to my list! With best regards Jim _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 06 December 2009 11:11 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 500 pirate Never heard a G7 on cw before Never had a 557 (tone 7) before Never had a repeative Beacon report before. Never had a report in the past before a QSO started. This appears to me to be a PIRATE are you sure it is who you think it is ? I have not encountered this callsign before. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 10:40 AM Subject: Re: LF: 500 pirate It was G7NKS - no pirate. 2009/12/6 mal hamilton Some G7 stn calling me in Beacon mode giving me 557 report and Loc. Could be a Pirate, unusual procedure. G3KEV -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_015B_01CA7667.6FC6D090 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Mal

 

Well you have= now!!  Thanx for the email confirmation that I made it up to you.  Broom to Scarborough not bad for my system! Vy psd

 

As for my CWup,= I’m still learning the ropes, but it is very pleasing to see so many friendly and helpful= types on the band who have been giving me no end of support and guidance as I= learn the procedures, (chris jim rik roger dennis pete gary graham gus john p-g= and lee to name but a few)

 

A nice friendly= band in general.

 

Thanx again for= confirmation and helpful suggestions on procedure, I shall add you to my list!

 

With best regards=

 

 

Jim

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org [mailto:owner-= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 06 December 2009= 11:11
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: 500 pi= rate

 

Never heard a G7 on cw before

 

Never had a 557 (tone 7) before<= /font>

 

Never had a repeative Beacon report bef= ore.

 

Never had a report in the past before&n= bsp;a QSO started.

 

This appears to me to be a PIRATE = are you sure it is who you think it is ?

 

I have not encountered this callsign be= fore.

 

G3KEV

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent:= Sunday, December 06, 2009 10:40 AM

Subject: Re: LF: 500 pirate

 

It was G7NKS -= no pirate.

2009/12/6 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net= >

Some G7 stn calling me in Beacon = mode giving me 557 report and Loc. Could be a Pirate, unusual procedure.

G3KEV

 




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------=_NextPart_000_015B_01CA7667.6FC6D090-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me03.mx.aol.com (rly-me03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.36]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME062-9a74b29f8b8cc; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 04:24:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME033-9a74b29f8b8cc; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 04:24:10 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLCWs-0001UW-HF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:20:14 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLCWs-0001UN-5M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:20:14 +0000 Received: from mx01.infotech.at ([213.174.240.1]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLCZZ-0002UB-4K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:23:03 +0000 Received: from [213.174.255.11] by mx01.infotech.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLCZY-00034W-A3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:23:00 +0100 Message-ID: <4B29F862.5070005@inext.at> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:22:42 +0100 From: Oberreiter Oswald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: OSSI 17-12.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) hello henny! tnx fer pic changed something on the antenna i think it works bether. very good conds last night 73 ossi henny van elst schrieb: > Hello LF, > Strong signal Ossi, > best 73s > henny cpm........... > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > OSSI 17-12.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen > virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet > toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt > weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df07.mx.aol.com (rly-df07.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.20]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF011-5624b23ec4e32a; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:17:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF073-5624b23ec4e32a; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:17:35 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJXSC-0002tD-Sf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:16:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJXSC-0002t4-HP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:16:32 +0000 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJXSH-00026Y-I9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:16:39 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: At4EAEh7I0tZ8eex/2dsb2JhbACIX8sahCsEgWI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,388,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="192875740" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.241.231.177]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2009 19:16:32 +0000 Message-ID: <002001ca7b5f$99d3e1f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <001401ca7b56$dfedfbc0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4B23E5C8.3030408@inext.at> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:16:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Racket Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 This is not oe5odl he is on a different frequency using qrs3 g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oberreiter Oswald" To: Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 6:49 PM Subject: Re: LF: Racket > ----- what ist ? > its the nr 5 from oe5odl qrss80 > 73 > > mal hamilton schrieb: > > What is that racket every night on 137.5 kcs, some sort of arabic > > script 2 mins on and 2 mins off. > > g3kev > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md07.mx.aol.com (rly-md07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.145]) by air-md10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD103-9124b30d7e931b; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 09:30:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD072-9124b30d7e931b; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 09:30:02 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NN5dk-0006OY-N1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:23:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NN5dk-0006OP-5l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:23:08 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NN5iR-00061T-4M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:28:00 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.1]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091222142853.LWFA17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:28:53 +0000 Received: from [86.27.92.51] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NN5jI-0007Pk-Fd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:28:53 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <8bf118410912220547m5e4d0e60o527fcb87c62010d9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:28:47 -0000 Message-ID: <015601ca8313$12e2ef40$0217aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcqDDY3IH08vzcx8QICrwA2U2impnwABHYng X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <8bf118410912220547m5e4d0e60o527fcb87c62010d9@mail.gmail.com> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=8RloEfZUAAAA:8 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=0v3MbbH0AAAA:8 a=nUuTZ29dAAAA:8 a=9h1oTapCOFi4V8hbF4UA:9 a=CGKgUgcoYc38SJfE7icA:7 a=YOStXc2cAu_c3EbLvHYtjY480k4A:4 a=O58u2wXj750A:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=A86hOIMpJ1IA:10 a=N8mGivRMCJHcOKXF:21 a=FR47vd7eSU4-_kTv:21 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=PZlxuyKcF8OdK73ewTQA:9 a=73dtebt0Dpyko0LHQLIA:7 a=UkuyTNIU0V-lzQdQ2upwRY7nd-kA:4 a=EzZiUz8eOD42yjgs:21 a=QLjgAYoWeIlelqjR:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: RE: LF: QOA? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0157_01CA8313.12E2EF40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=EXCUSE_16,HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0157_01CA8313.12E2EF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It may be an acronym for those of us who could be considered Quarrello= us Old Amateurs?? :-)=20 I would like to take this opportunity to wish you all the best for Chr= istmas and the holiday season and I hope you have a prosperous and successful= 2010 and thanks for all the guidance, tips, pointers in my first year on LF= /MF. Great to see that the NOV has been extended too =20 With best regards =20 =20 Jim =20 =20 Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS IO92UB =20 =20 E james.cowburn@virgin.net =20 The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it= is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If= you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must= not read this message. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking= of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other= than the intended recipient is prohibited. Consequently, this email is not intended to be contractually binding. If you received this in error, please contact the sender, return the= message as well as its attachments and delete the whole from any computer. _____ =20 From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave Pick Sent: 22 December 2009 13:48 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: QOA? =20 I think we need to get some badges made with QOA on them! Merry Christmas all. Dave G3YXM 2009/12/22 Petr Mal=FD Hi Lowfers, =20 I looked for some Q-codes recently and one of them struck my eyes. Do you know what QOA means? It means "can you/I can work telegraphy on 500kHz". =20 73 and have a nice X-mass, Petr, OK1FIG __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus sig= nature database 4708 (20091222) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --=20 G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK ------=_NextPart_000_0157_01CA8313.12E2EF40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It may be an= acronym for those of us who could be considered Quarrellous Old Amateurs??=A0=A0 J

I would like to take= this opportunity to wish you all the best for Christmas and the holiday season and I hope you have a prosperous and successful 2010 and thanks for all the guidance, tips, pointers in my= first year on LF/MF. =A0Great to see that the NOV has been extended too

 

With best regards

 

 

Jim

 

 

Dr. James Cowb= urn G7NKS

IO92U= B

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E = james.cowburn@virgin.net<= /font>

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The informati= on transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or pri= vileged material. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notifi= ed that you must not read this message.
Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking= of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other= than the intended recipient is prohibited.  Consequently, this email is no= t intended to be contractually binding.
If you received this in error, please contact the sender, return the= message as well as its attachments and delete the whole from any computer.=

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave Pick
Sent: 22 December 2009= 13:48
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: QOA?

 

I think we nee= d to get some badges made with QOA on them!

Merry Christmas all.

Dave G3YXM

2009/12/22 Petr Mal=FD <p.maly@gmc.net>

Hi Lowfers,

 

I looked for some Q-codes recently and= one of them struck my eyes.

Do you know what QOA means?

It means "can you/I can work tele= graphy on 500kHz".

 

73 and have a nice X-mass, Petr, OK1FI= G



__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus sig= nature database 4708 (20091222) __________

The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.

http://www.eset.com<= /a>




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G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK

------=_NextPart_000_0157_01CA8313.12E2EF40-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da10.mx.aol.com (rly-da10.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.84]) by air-da07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA074-a984b20dbd36f; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:30:44 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA108-a984b20dbd36f; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:30:29 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIhDG-0001TA-Hl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:29:38 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIhDG-0001T0-3Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:29:38 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIhDE-0007t2-HM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:29:38 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE94051C007 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:29:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9259131E703 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:29:26 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:29:44 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe References: <20091210100700.32DEC31E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20091210112926.9259131E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500kHz in Holland Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_14018031==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_14018031==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Just read this on http://www.iaru-r1.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=180&Itemid=133 : Netherlands: Full licence amateurs can opt for an experimental permit to conduct experiments in the band 501-504 kHz with a maximum power of 5 W EIRP and a maximum bandwitdth of 100 Hz. The experiments will start on 1 January 2010 and will continue for one year maximum. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T --=====================_14018031==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Just read this on http://www.iaru-r1.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=180&Itemid=133 :

Netherlands: Full licence amateurs can opt for an experimental permit to conduct experiments in the band 501-504 kHz with a maximum power of 5 W EIRP and a maximum bandwitdth of 100 Hz. The experiments will start on 1 January 2010 and will continue for one year maximum.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T --=====================_14018031==.ALT-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me02.mx.aol.com (rly-me02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.35]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME013-99d4b3486301; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 04:30:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME021-99d4b3486301; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 04:30:26 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NO6UP-0001nT-KV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:29:41 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NO6UP-0001nJ-6S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:29:41 +0000 Received: from psmtp12.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.24]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NO6UN-0006Sj-Cu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:29:41 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp12.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KV700AM2BP94Z@psmtp12.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:29:34 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:29:09 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: merry xmas.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_m+Vb1+NtcceioxnAS6oY6Q)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --Boundary_(ID_m+Vb1+NtcceioxnAS6oY6Q) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_3FfOYers3lgkLe2GvRfe8A)" --Boundary_(ID_3FfOYers3lgkLe2GvRfe8A) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Merry Xmas to All Henny cpm.............. Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: merry xmas.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. --Boundary_(ID_3FfOYers3lgkLe2GvRfe8A) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Merry Xmas to All
Henny cpm..............
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
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(VPS 091202-0, 02/12/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST=0.766,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: info's F8boj Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7372.BAAB1280" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7372.BAAB1280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HI LF To test station at the bottom of Band I will be QRV 136319.20 hz QRSS60 for 20H utc Notice to fans DX and the control's is welcome Claude f8boj JN16WA ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7372.BAAB1280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
HI LF
To=20 test station at the bottom of Band I will be QRV
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7372.BAAB1280-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.19]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE043-5eb04b332db262; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 04:00:34 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 91B2C380000EE; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 04:00:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNjXl-0007A2-KT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 08:59:37 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNjXl-00079t-3a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 08:59:37 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNjXj-00006D-0p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 08:59:37 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 24 Dec 2009 08:59:28 -0000 Received: from p5DC42601.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.196.38.1] by mail.gmx.net (mp072) with SMTP; 24 Dec 2009 09:59:28 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19BPygUD4hBl1FsTTg8nK6pHkI4O/rxQbvszUD0kc t2k6zsHjcQOFD5 Message-ID: <004e01ca8477$661e0ae0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <8bf118410912220547m5e4d0e60o527fcb87c62010d9@mail.gmail.com> <001a01ca8397$56623ee0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> <1261557395.4b31d69400a8f@imp.netikka.net> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:59:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.5 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR:Good TA conds on MF last night Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60134b332db179e6 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Paul-Henrik, great log. We in the South and more than thousand km inland of the Atlantic ocean= have to struggle harder for TA logs. Last night was even better. I've spotted WD2XSH/17 23 times, six logs thereof with 1W (I assume ER= P) tx power. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Paul-Henrik" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 9:36 AM Subject: Re: LF: WSPR:Good TA conds on MF last night Hallo Clemens, LF +1 for good T/A MF condx. Received WE2XGR/6 loud and clear in normal= CW on 507.2kHz around 0430UTC. 73 and a Merry Christmas to all! Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ Vaasa / KP03SD Quoting Clemens Paul : > LF, > > I had several WSPR loggings like these last night. > 6251km is my personal record. > > 2009-12-23 00:20 WD2XSH/17 0.503890 +5 0 FN42pb = 10 > DL4RAJ JN68kj 6251 > 53 > 2009-12-23 00:16 WD2XSH/17 0.503890 +4 0 FN42pb = 10 > DL4RAJ JN68kj 6251 > 53 > > > Best Christmas wishes to all. > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.717 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.117/2581 - Ausgabedatum: 12/= 22/09 09:09:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc01.mx.aol.com (rly-mc01.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.85]) by air-mc06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC064-d544b22223612e; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:43:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC014-d544b22223612e; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:43:04 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ2ww-0005Om-9h for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:42:14 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ2wv-0005Od-QP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:42:13 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ2wv-0006xc-11 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:42:13 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap4GAD+xIUtOkHtC/2dsb2JhbACIaJtHsWuEKwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,381,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="313962698" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([78.144.123.66]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2009 10:42:02 +0000 Message-ID: <001b01ca7a4e$9532c290$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <20091210112926.9259131E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <814295.92224.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <20091211102206.3C5AB31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:42:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz in Holland Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I happen to know where a matching RX can be found for the Sait MT430B. It covers 0 - 30 Mhz with a film scale read out, similar to a Racal G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 10:22 AM Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz in Holland > Hi Alan, > > depend on how you define "inertia". > For me 600m is more experimentation than operation. > For the next weeks (months) I will be busy modifying my Sait MT430B > to a 400W all mode transmitter, including a transvertor from HF to 500kHz. > Meanwhile I am QRV in CW (and QRSS), listening almost every evening > and now and then trying to work a new station or trying a new mode. > But I am less interested in ragshewing or working the same stations > over and over again. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > PS :To avoid one more endless discussion: this is my way to enjoy > 600m, I know that other are more keen in operating and respect that. > Everyone should be able enjoy this band his (or her) way; live and let live ;-) > > > At 12:34 10/12/2009, you wrote: > >Hi Rik that sounds good it looks as though the "inertia" is slowly > >building up. Alan G3NYK --- On Thu, 10/12/09, Rik Strobbe > > wrote: > From: Rik Strobbe > > > Subject: LF: 500kHz in Holland > To: > >"rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" > > >Date: Thursday, 10 December, 2009, 11:29 > > > Just read this > >on > > > >http://www.iaru-r1.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=180&Ite mid=133 > > > : > > > Netherlands: Full licence amateurs > can opt for > an > >experimental permit to conduct experiments in the band > 501-504 > >kHz > with a maximum power of 5 W EIRP and a maximum bandwitdth > of > >100 Hz. The > experiments will start on 1 January 2010 and will > >continue > for one year > maximum. > > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (rly-mb01.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.154]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB053-ce74b22c86b3a5; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:32:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB013-ce74b22c86b3a5; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:32:12 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJE0l-0002aq-3D for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:30:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJE0k-0002ah-M1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:30:54 +0000 Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.12]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJE0k-0003lf-5K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:30:54 +0000 Received: from bb-87-82-21-225.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.21.225] helo=[192.168.0.3]) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NJE0j-000B1X-Bz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:30:53 +0000 Message-ID: <4B22C880.7060701@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:32:32 +0000 From: Peter Dodd User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <293720.25943.qm@web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <293720.25943.qm@web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: LF radio equipment G3AQC SK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) G3SAQ SK It has been my sad duty to help the Laurie's family dismantle his radio station. His LF radio equipment is for sale and comprises the Decca transmitter, power supplies and an assortment of coils and selective level meters. For a full list email me direct. I regret I cannot undertake to ship any of this equipment, it is a case of buyer collects. regards Peter, G3LDO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (rly-mg04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.110]) by air-mg03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG034-a0a4b16b702197; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:50:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG044-a0a4b16b702197; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:50:44 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFuGX-0006i8-K7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:49:29 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFuGW-0006hz-FB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:49:28 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFuGV-0007Nu-GU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:49:28 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48A042ACF8B for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:49:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps03.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.132] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.58V) with ESMTP id XID643NLBsxq6720X01; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:49:16 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.132 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps03.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID643NLBsxq6720X01 Received: from [192.168.1.4] [151.47.216.216] by cmsapps03.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 000NLBsxo9040M39; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:49:14 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.216.216 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.4] Message-ID: <4B16B6A7.9000805@usa.net> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:49:11 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200912021848460547.0592D856@smtp2.numeo.fr> In-Reply-To: <200912021848460547.0592D856@smtp2.numeo.fr> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID000NLBsxo9040X39 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Sound card sampling rate Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) John RABSON wrote: > I am running a USB-connected Creative Labs sound blaster model SB0270 with Argo V1 build 134 on an XP SP3 system. > How do I find out the sampling rate, please? The sampling rate of a sound card up to Windows 98 used to be set at the hardware level by the program that used the card. The program called a Windows API telling it that it should set the card, let's say, at 11025 Hz as sampling frequency. If the card was capable of that rate, ok, otherwise Windows came back with an error to the requesting program. Windows XP changed this scenario. If the card is not capable at the hardware level to support a specific sampling rate, then Windows silently does a under-the-hood software resampling, so that to please the requesting program, no matter what the requested sampling rate is. Many manufacturers of cheap sound cards or sound chips took advantage of this, designing sound cards that were capable of 48 kHz only, then relying on Windows to provide the other rates. Needles to say, the resampling done by Windows is far from optimal... that's why the manufacturers of sound cards intended for serious musical applications (studio recording, etc.) do clearly specify in the specs of the card that the various sampling rates are 'hardware sampling rates', no Windows involved... That said, and coming to Argo, when you are in full band view mode, Argo sets the sampling frequency at 11025 Hz, while in one of the QRSS modes it is set to 5125 Hz. In CW mode it is set to 22050 Hz. When I will find the time to rejuvenate Argo, I will change that. I will ask Windows to sample at 48 kHz, and this will give me the real hardware sampling rate, then I will use the fractional ratio resampling code that I wrote for Winrad, which works better than Windows resampling, to resample down to the needed sampling rate. But, as said, this will happen when I will find the time.... 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.18]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE074-5ebd4b3a80cb34; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:20:59 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C3846380000E0; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:20:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPkPx-0001Fd-2a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:19:53 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPkPw-0001FU-KI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:19:52 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s11.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.21]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPkPu-0002kY-8V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:19:52 +0000 Received: from COL122-W24 ([65.55.34.7]) by col0-omc1-s11.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:19:38 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:19:38 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4B3A7150.6070802@toya.net.pl> References: <1BCA5076F8C144B0957BD8853BEA599A@LAPTOP> ,<4B3A7150.6070802@toya.net.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2009 22:19:38.0574 (UTC) FILETIME=[028DCEE0:01CA88D5] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_c079ebb2-aee5-4e10-b5a6-79ad4a87b41b_" Subject: LF: Grabber X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41124b3a80ca182d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_c079ebb2-aee5-4e10-b5a6-79ad4a87b41b_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Piotr, LF! Thanks for your grabber - the picture is very nice! I hope, your grabber will be often active. 73! Lubos, OK2BVG=20 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:14:56 +0100 From: sq7mpj@toya.net.pl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Stations on 505kHz last night. =20 =20 Lubos OK2BVG wrote: Hello Michael, LF! OK, DI2AM is on 505.180kHz. I don=B4t know, who is on 505,030kHz, but my beacon OK0EMW is on 505,060kHz. It transmit a text:=20 "Beacon OK0EMW JN88KS" . These letters "KS" might be "XS", which you listened. You can try to listen my beacon signal next night. 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS Hi Lubos , LF i've switched on my grabber on 505 khz =20 http://www.toya.net.pl/~mlynarski it will be active till 2300-2330 UTC this evening=20 your signal is very strong, audible ; also DI2AG is visible yours, Piotr, sq7mpj qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED infor= mace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_c079ebb2-aee5-4e10-b5a6-79ad4a87b41b_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Piotr, LF!
Thanks for your grabber - the picture is very nice= !
I hope, your grabber will be often active.
73!

Lubos, OK2BV= G
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:14:56 +0100
Fro= m: sq7mpj@toya.net.pl
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re:= LF: Stations on 505kHz last night.

=20 Lubos OK2BVG wrote:
Hello Michael, LF!
OK, DI2AM is on 505.180kHz. I don=B4t know, who is on 505,030kHz, but my beacon OK0EMW is on 505,060kHz. It transmit a text:
"Beacon OK0EMW JN88KS" . These letters "KS" might be "XS", which you listened.  You can try to listen my beacon signal next night.
73!
Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
Hi Lubos , LF
i've switched on my grabber on 505 khz 
   http://www.toya.net.pl/~mlynarski
it will  be active till 2300-2330  UTC this evening
your signal is very strong, audible ;  also DI2AG is visible

            &n= bsp;           &nbs= p;        yours, Piotr, sq7mpj

qth: Lodz /jo91rs/

Kter=FD po=E8=EDta= =E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. =3D --_c079ebb2-aee5-4e10-b5a6-79ad4a87b41b_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (rly-mb03.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.161]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB073-cfb4b207ea1b5; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:53:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB037-cfb4b207ea1b5; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:52:51 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIb0G-000811-UC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:51:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIb0G-00080s-JI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:51:48 +0000 Received: from defout.telus.net ([204.209.205.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIb0F-0008SJ-69 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:51:48 +0000 Received: from edmwaa02.telusplanet.net ([75.157.163.71]) by priv-edmwes24.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091210045144.RXJF16249.priv-edmwes24.telusplanet.net@edmwaa02.telusplanet.net> for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 21:51:44 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.67] (d75-157-163-71.bchsia.telus.net [75.157.163.71]) by edmwaa02.telusplanet.net (BorderWare Security Platform) with ESMTP id 63193054A3BC3FED for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 21:51:44 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <4B207E60.5030104@telus.net> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:51:44 +0000 From: Scott Tilley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) I think this is the rig used by some of the early JAs that tried the trans pacific path this fall. Saw something like it on a JA website. 73 Scott Warren Ziegler wrote: > Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 > Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver > muting. > Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! > > http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf > > > > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (rly-dd03.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.150]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD022-b674b1a4316110; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 06:25:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD031-b674b1a4316110; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 06:25:12 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGskK-00068y-Ny for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 11:24:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGskK-00068p-DK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 11:24:16 +0000 Received: from psmtp31.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.33]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGskJ-0002jz-S8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 11:24:16 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp31.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KU600JI3FO9J9@psmtp31.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 12:24:10 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 12:24:11 +0100 From: henny van elst To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <003f01ca7598$8f181780$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: strong signal 05-12.jpg Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Andrey,LF, tu,I was looking in qrss60 slow, henny pa3cpm best 73s ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 11:48 AM Subject: LF: Re: strong signal 05-12.jpg > Hi Henny, > It is Ossi OE5ODL in qrss4. > > 73 Andrey > > >> Hi,LF >> Strong signal.137.775khz >> henny pa3cpm >> 73s -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.94/2545 - Release Date: 12/04/09 19:34:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD092-91b4b2df572214; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 04:59:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD083-91b4b2df572214; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 04:59:16 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMIU6-0006Tv-Kg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 09:53:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMIU6-0006Tm-6E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 09:53:54 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMIXk-0004MI-4b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 09:57:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 27655 invoked by uid 507); 20 Dec 2009 10:58:13 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2009 10:58:13 +0100 Message-ID: <200912201058160899.2B6A2E1A@smtp2.numeo.fr> In-Reply-To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <346854e9698cbf94f4483c66682bb63b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <4B2CDA00.6080504@att.net> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 10:58:16 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: E thingies Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On 19/12/2009 at 16:33 Laurence BY3A-KL1X China wrote: >I cant help walking >around towns now and view the skyline and each building and visualise how >the LF E field signal is disrupted close in by these new high rises that >now dominate some skylines. I believe high rises for residential purposes fell out of favour a few yea= rs ago in the UK, but probably not for commercial property. 73 John F5VLF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me09.mx.aol.com (rly-me09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.43]) by air-me07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME071-9da4b2565bc1; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:08:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME096-9da4b2565bc1; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:07:58 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJwa6-0001S8-P4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:06:22 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJwa6-0001Rz-Df for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:06:22 +0000 Received: from mcgi75.rambler.ru ([81.19.67.218]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJwao-0005n3-KC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:07:09 +0000 Received: from [81.195.12.12] by mcgi75.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Mon, 14 Dec 2009 01:07:04 +0300 From: Roman RW3ADB To: Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 01:07:04 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <002c01ca7c1b$48b827b0$6402a8c0@e7010> Message-Id: <739944149.1260742025.45659528.33592@mcgi75.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (untone), http://mail.rambler.ru X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG QRO QRSS3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Walter, LF! Grabber started ON: http://qrss.nm.ru/grabber.html Roman * Walter und Marianne Staubach [Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:39:52 +0100]: > Dear MF, > DI2AG is now transmitting in QRSS3 with more power - 2W ERP > instead of 0.4W ERP. Please your reports via wum.staubach@t-online.de or > dj2lf@darc.de > The machine will run until tomorrow 7UTC - if she does the job. > Thanks and 73 > Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF > > > -- Roman RW3ADB. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.76]) by air-da05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA053-863d4b34e259269; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:03:37 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 893F9380000F2; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:03:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOCcs-0002vy-Gz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 16:02:50 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOCcs-0002vp-4d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 16:02:50 +0000 Received: from mail-yw0-f190.google.com ([209.85.211.190]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOCcp-0008A2-UK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 16:02:50 +0000 Received: by ywh28 with SMTP id 28so13616476ywh.16 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 08:02:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=tYx5phy4prUIiKbm4iAfX3dtZ+P9JrBUftdNYmKdTcM=; b=prHHewbDsQsYIAuXuvvCjXG1Le+PHBjkyCBJ4RfE1eXPoJRTH1a28wkmKODLfIkDjA Fq1xmNVg1/Ir+SOeiYSwLxjzKqMmvT5cQndg087Igfr6XoLoaYDAts+Qc6YCCGEsgu9y 1s4imYD/vqFDGJQyDtyjqwCVgF6DON/CLmX9g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=eR2YJjVpMXYTBftYBbONnP+Fxk0n4FHpKXIP1PiMNBTHn+Q5ER5F7ckwa3dDOiChkz eeClxhmNQ17/GBHx6pslN/zQy/X8ewWmJkG2JFtMPMmcfVnmuC3I+Le6Z/5Ro80+Iq0p /cEl6FCvg6ILvLwVRR4hBHryzyppflNdfqQns= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.27.6 with SMTP id a6mr9192181yba.74.1261756961632; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 08:02:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <80706327FC9F4856B3D4088340FE0D71@ns94d01ae4d850> References: <80706327FC9F4856B3D4088340FE0D71@ns94d01ae4d850> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:02:41 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca70912250802t5dbc0fdeo83d1872f71d9155d@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 25-12.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404c4b34e2586395 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Henny, Thank you for the capture! XGJ still running reduced power (220 Watts). Zalig Kerstfeast ! -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2009/12/25 henny van elst : > Hi Warren,LF > Capture XGJ > Henny pa3cpm > best 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > XGJ 25-12.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen > het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. > Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe > bijlagen worden afgehandeld. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (rly-mf07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.177]) by air-mf10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF101-96b4b1b2f7e2bd; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 23:14:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF071-96b4b1b2f7e2bd; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 23:13:52 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NH8Tw-0000xg-Q1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 04:12:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NH8Tv-0000xX-NO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 04:12:23 +0000 Received: from 113-mo2-8.acn.waw.pl ([62.121.95.113] helo=paranoid.lipkowski.org) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NH8Tu-000756-Df for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 04:12:23 +0000 Received: from paranoid.lipkowski.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id nB64CtaZ022601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 05:12:55 +0100 Received: from localhost (sq5bpf@localhost) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.6/Submit) with ESMTP id nB64CsVx022598 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 05:12:55 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: paranoid.lipkowski.org: sq5bpf owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 05:12:54 +0100 (CET) From: Jacek Lipkowski To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score-sq5bpf: -2.601 () BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: W on 137.779kHz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Someone is sending W on 137.779 in QRSS120. Does anybody know who it is? vy 73 Jacek / SQ5BPF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf10.mx.aol.com (rly-mf10.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.180]) by air-mf07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF071-9884b257653b0; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:18:55 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF106-9884b257653b0; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:18:45 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJxgY-0002QQ-GT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:17:06 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJxgX-0002QH-VA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:17:06 +0000 Received: from mailout1.go2.pl ([193.17.41.11]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJxhI-00065j-D2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:17:54 +0000 Received: from mailout1.go2.pl (unknown [10.0.0.103]) by mailout1.go2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E485B5D518B for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:17:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from unknown (unknown [10.0.0.142]) by mailout1.go2.pl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:17:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from 58-178-124-188.rev.pro-internet.pl [188.124.178.58] by poczta.o2.pl with ESMTP id xWdYbn; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:17:51 +0100 Message-ID: <01ec01ca7c4a$7a174550$3ab27cbc@ap6fnsa53r3k6h> From: "Marcin" To: References: <000a01ca7c40$1ef0a900$6402a8c0@e7010> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:17:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-O2-Trust: 2, 69 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: DI2AG Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01E9_01CA7C52.DBBEFD90" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 ------=_NextPart_000_01E9_01CA7C52.DBBEFD90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Walter Capture in signal DI2AM. 73! Marcin SQ2BXI Dear MF, sorry but I have the suspicion that high power disrupts my telefone system (ISDN), while DSL works fine. 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Thread-Index: AcqIe6hKZehABzFJQgOFBncPPrpKqAAAbFWw Message-ID: <16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370CBCE834@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> References: <1BCA5076F8C144B0957BD8853BEA599A@LAPTOP> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB x-wiganss: 01000000010017exlnht01.eur.nsroot.net ID0044<16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370CBCE834@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 169.175.16.155 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: Stations on 505kHz last night. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370CBCE834exlnmb01eurns_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cb4b39ee5b383c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_000_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370CBCE834exlnmb01eurns_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Michael, Wolf, df2py is transmitting from time to time on 505.030KHz in CW. Beacon= call is DI2BJ. Maybe you can check with him if he was on air last night. vy73 Marco DD7PC ________________________________ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org] On Behalf Of Lubos OK2BVG Sent: 29 December 2009 12:35 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: Stations on 505kHz last night. Hello Michael, LF! OK, DI2AM is on 505.180kHz. I don=B4t know, who is on 505,030kHz, but my= beacon OK0EMW is on 505,060kHz. It transmit a text: "Beacon OK0EMW JN88KS" . These letters "KS" might be "XS", which you liste= ned. You can try to listen my beacon signal next night. 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS ________________________________ From: misan@xs4all.nl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 09:07:43 +0100 Subject: LF: Stations on 505kHz last night. To DI2AM and all LF Good morning all, also copied by ear two transmissions just above 505kHz= last night. 29-12-2009 00:50utc 505.20kHz DI2AM, QRSS3 and plain CW. 29-12-2009 01:00utc 505.03kHz QRSS3? and plan CW ...XS...? Please confirm DI2AM is ok and give a clue who could be the other station. Kind Regards, Michael (Mike) / PC4M ________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9= =ED informace. --_000_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370CBCE834exlnmb01eurns_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Michael,
Wolf, df2py is transmitting from time to time on= 505.030KHz in CW.=20 Beacon call is DI2BJ.
Maybe you can check with him if he was on air last= =20 night.
 
vy73
Marco
DD7PC

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Lubos=20 OK2BVG
Sent: 29 December 2009 12:35
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: RE: LF: Stations on 505kHz= last=20 night.

Hello Michael, LF!
OK, DI2AM is on 505.180kHz. I don=B4t kno= w, who=20 is on 505,030kHz, but my beacon OK0EMW is on 505,060kHz. It transmit a tex= t:=20
"Beacon OK0EMW JN88KS" . These letters "KS" might be "XS", which you= =20 listened.  You can try to listen my beacon signal next=20 night.
73!
Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

From: misan@xs4all.nl
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Tue, 29= Dec=20 2009 09:07:43 +0100
Subject: LF: Stations on 505kHz last night.

To DI2AM and all LF
 
Good morning all, also copied by ear two transmiss= ions=20 just above 505kHz last night.
 
29-12-2009 00:50utc 505.20kHz DI2AM, QRSS3 and pla= in=20 CW.
29-12-2009 01:00utc 505.03kHz QRSS3? and plan CW= =20 ...XS...?
 
Please confirm DI2AM is ok and give a cl= ue who=20 could be the other station.
 
Kind Regards,
 
Michael (Mike) / PC4M
 
 
 

Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.= =20 --_000_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370CBCE834exlnmb01eurns_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da01.mx.aol.com (rly-da01.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.75]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA033-a4c4b23b3762c2; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:15:22 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA014-a4c4b23b3762c2; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:15:04 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJTfE-0000fX-7j for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:13:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJTfD-0000fO-TH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:13:43 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJTfD-0000id-FT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:13:45 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFF872AC6B6 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:13:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps01.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.136] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.58V) with ESMTP id XID278NLLPNI9356X01; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:13:34 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.136 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps01.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID278NLLPNI9356X01 Received: from [192.168.1.4] [151.47.220.86] by cmsapps01.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 836NLLPNG3072M36; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:13:32 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.220.86 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.4] Message-ID: <4B23B319.9080005@usa.net> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:13:29 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC1F@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC1F@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID836NLLPNG3072X36 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: LF: Japanese time&frequency station Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Is there anybody in Europe that was able to receive the Japanese time&frequency standard station at 40 kHz ? If yes, could you please give details about the equipments, especially the antenna, used ? I am trying since some time, night and day, but no luck so far.... 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (rly-dd02.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.149]) by air-dd06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD063-b604b2784d02cb; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:45:09 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD022-b604b2784d02cb; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:45:05 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKWjS-0003ay-ER for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:42:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKWjR-0003ap-U6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:42:25 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKWko-0005C1-4w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:43:52 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBFCi6uL032629 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:44:06 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:44:06 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:44:07 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC77@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <20091215112352.36901F3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: AW: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Thread-Index: Acp9ed5D9JibPk8wReuLxsv1FiqExQAB5zTg From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.625;15.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.15.123320 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA7D84.49B6933B" Subject: AW: AW: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7D84.49B6933B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mni tnx Rik for your answer! =20 No, you didn't spoil the fun at all ;-) =20 I have some remarks/ideas. The coil losses increase linear with the power but not more than linear.= So, 10x the power wouldn't decrease the antenna efficiency (if no arcing= occurs, of course). If we assume an antenna, e.g. in 8m height with many= toploads, then the efficiency will be poor but the capacitance will be hi= gh and thus the needed L will be small. Therefore we get a low voltage eve= n with very high power and due to the low efficiency we will keep the lega= l limit. So, if one has no possibility to increase the antenna height QRO= is one choice, especially when the operator is already in pension and can= not do a qso in qrss10000000000000000000000000 any more ;-)=20 =20 =20 =20 It should be possible to run a TX directly of the mains (giving about 330V= DC). But for 10kW the PSU current would be 33A, requiring something like= a 60000uF/450V elco, these large HV elco's cost a fortune (at QRL we rece= nty had to replace a 4700uF/450V capacitor, it costed over 200 Euro). And for a Class-D / Class-E amp running of 330V a 900V power FET might be= a bit on the edge for a foolprove TX (but since you are spending a fortun= e on elco's you can spend some more money on 1.5kV devices ;-) ). =20 Yes, you are right. But i mean i USA, where the voltage is 110V, you get= about 155V and thus the 900V FET would have 6 times more. For a class e= mode PA, 4x the voltage can be reached when SWR is correct(!) so there wo= uld be a goog savety factor. About the Capacitors: You could reduce the ne= eded C when using a 3 phase system (of the kitchen oven ;-) ). Then you wo= uld get about 268VDC and therefore a factor 3,35 to the 900V which will be= critical for the FETs when SWR is not absolutely constant 1:1, so better= using a IXFH24N100 ;-) =20 Really nice, that conversation! Tnx! =20 73, Stefan / DK7FC =20 =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7D84.49B6933B Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Mni tnx Rik= for your answer!

 =

No= , you didn’t spoil the fun at all ;-)

&n= bsp;

I have some= remarks/ideas.

Th= e coil losses increase linear with the power but not more than linear. So, 10x the power wouldn’t decrease the antenna efficiency (if no arcing occurs, of course). If we assume an antenna, e.g. in 8m height with many toploads, th= en the efficiency will be poor but the capacitance will be high and thus the needed L will be small. Therefore we get a low voltage even with very high power and due to the low efficiency we will keep the legal limit. So, if= one has no possibility to increase the antenna height QRO is one choice, espec= ially when the operator is already in pension and cannot do a qso in qrss10000000000000000000000000 any more ;-)

&n= bsp;

&n= bsp;

 

It should= be possible to run a TX directly of the mains (giving about 330V DC). = But for 10kW the PSU current would be 33A, requiring something like a 60000uF/450V elco, these large HV elco's cost a fortune (at QRL we recenty had to repla= ce a 4700uF/450V capacitor, it costed over 200 Euro).
And for a Class-D / Class-E amp running of 330V a 900V power FET might be= a bit on the edge for a foolprove TX (but since you are spending a fortune on el= co's you can spend some more money on 1.5kV devices ;-) ).

 <= /p>

Yes, you= are right. But i mean i USA, where the voltag= e is 110V, you get about 155V and thus the 900V FET would have 6 times more. For a class e mode PA, 4x= the voltage can be reached when SWR is correct(!) so there would be a goog sav= ety factor. About the Capacitors: You could reduce the needed C when using a= 3 phase system (of the kitchen oven ;-) ). Then you would get about 268VDC= and therefore a factor 3,35 to the 900V which will be critical for the FETs wh= en SWR is not absolutely constant 1:1, so better using a IXFH24N100 =A0;-)

 

Really= nice, that conversation! Tnx!

 

73, Stef= an / DK7FC

 

 

 

 

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Does anyone have spec for a BTY 96 UM=  or BTY=20 98. Looks like a Big Amp carrying device
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7CD5.F7510200-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me03.mx.aol.com (rly-me03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.36]) by air-me02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME022-9a64b27934be7; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:46:57 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME032-9a64b27934be7; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:46:53 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKXhG-0004Xc-JB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:44:14 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKXhG-0004XT-6l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:44:14 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.35]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKXiv-0003mQ-0M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:45:59 +0000 Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl (dovemail12.xs4all.nl [194.109.26.14]) by smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBFDjcmv067165 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:45:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Received: from 82.92.124.189 (SquirrelMail authenticated user pa0rdt) by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:45:51 +0100 Message-ID: <7d0f030f6b6dc3a9cbc3df0e004002df.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: References: <4B250D02.733.14E9A34@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC66@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:45:51 +0100 From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.18 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear Andy, Thank you very much for your educational piece on the signal to noise improvement possible for various modes. It might interest you that I have been testing the limits of aural CW copy using narrow analogue filters. It appears that after some exercise the human brain-ear system can adapt itself to a bandwidth of 5 Hz for slow speed morse code; e.g. the CW identifier of non directional beacons. This offers a 20 dB improvement compared to a standard 500 Hz CW bandwidth and seems to be as good as it gets. The irony is that these tests were triggered by the appearence of narrow DSP filters. Had I known this 40 year ago, it should have been an excellent opportunity to show the possibilities of very low power transmissions at HF! Best regards, Roelof bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (rly-mf04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.174]) by air-mf01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF012-9594b367b99219; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 16:09:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF047-9594b367b99219; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 16:09:47 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOdsZ-0007KW-MA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 21:08:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOdsZ-0007KN-7S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 21:08:51 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s37.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.48]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOdsY-0008PO-0z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 21:08:51 +0000 Received: from BLU146-W16 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s37.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:08:42 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.137.224.182] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 12:08:42 -0900 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20091226183415.2n58wvwb40w80440@webmail6.kuleuven.be> References: <6EFC885C8DAB4DC3A8454505BAF5D3A7@ns94d01ae4d850>,<1261823989.6451.9.camel@vaio3rd> <1EE1D37E49A445A0A1CE9703C17EECCF@AGB>,<20091226183415.2n58wvwb40w80440@webmail6.kuleuven.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Dec 2009 21:08:42.0889 (UTC) FILETIME=[9ABA8F90:01CA866F] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_d27a359f-aa31-40ab-99c3-a2df165e3734_" Subject: LF: "WA" beacon received at 503kHz. X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_d27a359f-aa31-40ab-99c3-a2df165e3734_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick - there are a number of NDB's on 505/507 which on the their DSB/LSB= tone freq into the freqs of interest - Ill have a look at my Chinese NDB= log but I cant recall WA from memory, but there again I think Korea might= have had one. Cheers =20 Laurence (and seasons greetings to all from Alaska) =20 KL 1 X WE2XPQ =20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=92s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/=3D --_d27a359f-aa31-40ab-99c3-a2df165e3734_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 Rick - there are a number of NDB's on 505/507 which on the their= DSB/LSB tone freq into the freqs of interest - Ill have a look at my Chin= ese NDB log but I cant recall WA from memory, but there again I think Kore= a might have had one.
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= Dr LF Group,

 <= /p>

Will the= re be any activity this evening? I want to try my RX-Antenna and need some signals,= if possible in QRSS3/DFCW3. If it will, I would drive to “my” hil= l and do some tests. It would be at around 19 utc.

 

73, Stef= an/DK7FC

------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7292.928F9096-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (rly-dc07.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.36]) by air-dc05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC051-b324b34c85c258; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:12:57 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC076-b324b34c85c258; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:12:45 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOAtJ-0002c7-N0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:11:41 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOAtJ-0002by-3J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:11:41 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.128]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOAtG-0007jx-QV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:11:41 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3411.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1F9531C00091 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:11:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3411.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0F7021C00092 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:11:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.36.29]) by mwinf3411.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 7F8D51C00091 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:11:28 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20091225141128522.7F8D51C00091@mwinf3411.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <81E83EBACD144075A24B4F6FBF638984@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <6949F910A2A945058B164FC3443B420B@JimPC> <539203.98380.qm@web28101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <9afca2640912250525l14e4aaf7y6006a537a8ad102@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9afca2640912250525l14e4aaf7y6006a537a8ad102@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:11:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: Tnx fer Xmas day QSO G3KEV es XIZ; HNY to all. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01CA856C.1D59B160" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01CA856C.1D59B160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I hope Father Christmas brought you lots of nice ham gear/books .....= .. Couple more Amps would be nice ! All the best Roger=20 G ..=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 1:25 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Tnx fer Xmas day QSO G3KEV es XIZ; HNY to all. A very happy Christmas to everyone here.=20 Thank you all for your encouragement and help on 500kHz these last few= months. I hope Father Christmas brought you lots of nice ham gear/boo= ks and the New Year brings you lots of good DX and much happiness. No 500kHz activity at the moment as I'm with my son and his family in= Kent. Back on tomorrow. 73s Roger G3XBM Unable to be on the air at the moment as we are in Canterbury with our= son's family. 2009/12/25 M0FMT Hi Mal es Chris tnx fer nice Xmas morning QSOs.=20 Raising a pint of Fullers right now to u both .....cheers! 73 es GL petefmt =20 --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01CA856C.1D59B160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 I hope Father Christmas brought you lots of nice ham gear/b= ooks=20 .......  Couple  more  Amps  would be nice !
 
All the  best  Roger
 
G ..
 
 

Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Tnx fer Xmas day QSO G3KEV es XIZ; HNY to= =20 all.

A very happy Christmas to everyone here.

Thank= you all=20 for your encouragement and help on 500kHz these last few months. I hop= e Father=20 Christmas brought you lots of nice ham gear/books and the New Year bri= ngs you=20 lots of good DX and much happiness.

No 500kHz activity at the= moment as=20 I'm with my son and his family in Kent. Back on tomorrow.

73sRoger=20 G3XBM


Unable to be on the air at the moment as we are in Ca= nterbury=20 with our son's family.

2009/12/25 M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
 
Hi Mal es Chris tnx fer nice Xmas morning QSOs.
 
Raising a pint of Fullers right now to u both=20 .....cheers!

73 es GL petefmt

 

=



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G3XBM  =20  GQRP 1678      ISWL G11088


------=_NextPart_000_002C_01CA856C.1D59B160-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me09.mx.aol.com (rly-me09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.43]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME061-9d84b31d6ed1f1; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 03:38:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME094-9d84b31d6ed1f1; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 03:38:06 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNMi3-0002vV-07 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 08:36:43 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNMi2-0002vM-Ed for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 08:36:42 +0000 Received: from mbox2.netikka.net ([213.250.81.203]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNMi1-0000r6-PM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 08:36:42 +0000 Received: from hupu.netikka.net (hupu [172.16.83.91]) by mbox2-feedback.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B646408141 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:36:36 +0200 (EET) Received: from imp1.netikka.net (imp1.netikka.net [213.250.85.154]) by hupu.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC6354B0045 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:36:36 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imp1.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04B63495B93 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:36:36 +0200 (EET) Received: from proxy.wartsila.com (proxy.wartsila.com [194.251.142.28]) by imp.netikka.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:36:35 +0200 Message-ID: <1261557395.4b31d69400a8f@imp.netikka.net> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:36:36 +0200 From: Paul-Henrik To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8bf118410912220547m5e4d0e60o527fcb87c62010d9@mail.gmail.com> <001a01ca8397$56623ee0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> In-Reply-To: <001a01ca8397$56623ee0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 194.251.142.28 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR:Good TA conds on MF last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hallo Clemens, LF +1 for good T/A MF condx. Received WE2XGR/6 loud and clear in normal CW on 507.2kHz around 0430UTC. 73 and a Merry Christmas to all! Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ Vaasa / KP03SD Quoting Clemens Paul : > LF, > > I had several WSPR loggings like these last night. > 6251km is my personal record. > > 2009-12-23 00:20 WD2XSH/17 0.503890 +5 0 FN42pb 10 > DL4RAJ JN68kj 6251 > 53 > 2009-12-23 00:16 WD2XSH/17 0.503890 +4 0 FN42pb 10 > DL4RAJ JN68kj 6251 > 53 > > > Best Christmas wishes to all. > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df11.mx.aol.com (rly-df11.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.24]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF014-5894b16b94f292; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:00:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df11.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF112-5894b16b94f292; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:00:33 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFuQK-0006qF-JR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:59:36 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFuQK-0006q6-4j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:59:36 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFuQI-0007WH-Dy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:59:36 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEAJNHFktOlANV/2dsb2JhbACEScJTkHqBL4IvUwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,329,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="273842287" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.148.3.85]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 02 Dec 2009 18:59:28 +0000 Message-ID: <002701ca7381$9212ee10$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B16987B.9000002@usa.net> <000d01ca7373$e4baa170$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <38F4A9873A5B474DB6FB337B1B69ABA11CED86C60D@HERMES8.ds.leeds.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:59:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Chris The Decca RX system had a cylinder probe similar to the beer keg., Reduce the C by raising it a few metres higher from deck. C is then measured in half Jars mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Trayner" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 5:27 PM Subject: RE: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna > Hi Mal, > > > Use an aluminium beer keg as the probe mounted a few metres above ground. > g3kev > > With the capacitance to earth measured in Jars. > > 73, > Chris G4OKW > > ----------------------- > Dr Chris Trayner > School of Electronic & Electrical Engineering, > The University of Leeds, > Leeds LS2 9JT, United Kingdom > Tel: +44 113 34 32053 > Fax: +44 113 34 32032 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df12.mx.aol.com (rly-df12.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.25]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF072-5964b1d2d3b286; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:29:02 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF125-5964b1d2d3b286; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:28:46 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHgR3-0002TH-LL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:27:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHgR3-0002T8-8B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:27:41 +0000 Received: from smtp823.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.233]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHgR2-0005ks-6H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:27:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 37823 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2009 16:27:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=e+JnkuCX8zQWl7oHdRd0w/rcb2KFI9KzrprTPjM4GnY5UBV7xwj/xiTpGvY/iR8OkeBEaP3gSzzoPCzQxmMhkaeVhzxfdEQEXOzWiSWWzYioijGSuEXILFllVEWRPWpeHDcY8P1zsexUkV0qmhegNsGePsHsQ3VYC45IHtP6fYQ= ; Received: from unknown (HELO IBM7FFA209F07C) (c.ashby435@81.135.139.105 with login) by smtp823.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 16:27:34 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9STUSnaswBBSd6nO_2gAC20jmYlWRjmg8d5iYd8s.rl181aR6Sw- X-YMail-OSG: FLtnUMkVM1mx55sMnVZjid4fzVIFFRokxKmELPtr9FW.QfdJXT_TmuCK7EEgqoQ.AnyjYWoN7l2vyW_ujBwoXvmDYlwCn9G33_0a0EbuXbt2fbgWtJI0dC6qFkL_c7YofF56eA3yRasFFu6hD4t6EmN60l.4b2uRQ6mDhvDwpGxh8HKTJQTjeJAATRA9KtBgCRDhelfskPL5doc.Akgho97qp6xdD9UXDfIIHQtFfpHZsLb8pRYKbyOATe31huXkU5eKq.QcI1U_lag- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <53BEC9770DD94FBEB98B5E11592D62DE@IBM7FFA209F07C> From: "Chris" To: References: <1523739247@web.de> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:27:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: Re: LF: Correct test time Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Thanks Horst and Andy. Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" To: Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 3:59 PM Subject: Re: LF: Correct test time Clear enough..... 2009/12/09 2300z through to 2009/12/10 0100z . Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police 2009/12/7 Horst Stcker : > As I wrote before: The flyer says from 9.12. 23 UTC to 10.12. 1 UTC. > Horst > >> -----Ursprngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: "Chris" >> Gesendet: 07.12.09 14:28:16 >> An: "RSGB LF Group" >> Betreff: LF: Correct test time > > Hi All, >> Re: Test DDH47 147.3 QRSS3. >> This has now got VERY confusing. Is the transmission one hour UTC >> either side of midnight 9th into 10th, or one hour UTC either side of >> midnight 10th into 11th December? >> Incidentally, my first message along these lines got a failure notice, >> it said "This message scored 4.5 spam points - rejected". No comment >> necessary! >> >> Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent. > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate fr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! > http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (rly-dc01.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.30]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC042-b024b1cc76569; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 04:14:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC016-b024b1cc76569; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 04:14:14 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHZeE-0000SF-W1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:12:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHZeE-0000S6-Gd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:12:50 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHZeD-0002vR-OP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:12:50 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nB79CkhD015990 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 10:12:47 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 10:12:47 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 10:12:49 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB56@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <1260128134.2455.23.camel@gerhard-desktop> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Question to Antenna Experts Thread-Index: Acp2rAuoamzvRayKSrSal3Ap/cD0MwAcBI2g From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.609;06.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.7.90319 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: LF: AW: Question to Antenna Experts X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hallo Gerhard,=20 Gratuliere zu dem Wandler! Das ging ja schnell :-) Wegen der Anzeige: Welches Ger=E4t verwendest du denn? Ein analoges Drehei= senmessger=E4t ist beispielsweise unempfindlicher gegen HF-Einkopplung als= ein 100=B5A Drehspulinstrument. Mit den Dioden hat Rik recht, das k=F6nnte ein Grund sein!=20 Dann noch: Du hast wahrscheinlich nach dem Stromwandler einen Gleichrichte= r und dann ein Poti zum justieren bzw. kalibrieren. Hast du das Poti in Re= ihe zum Messger=E4t oder parallel? Ich w=FCrde es parallel zum Messger=E4t= schalten, da es ja ein Stromwandler ist. Die Quelle ist also auch als Str= omquelle zu belasten. Nur so wirkt der Kern auch nicht als zus=E4tzliches= L im Kreis. Vielleicht hat auch der Kern noch einen Einfluss. Ein Eisenpulverkern =FCb= ertr=E4gt sicher auch einiges aber geeigneter erscheint mir ein Kern mit= hohem =B5r, also ein Ferritkern bzw. Ferroxube. Habe am Samstag dein CQ Ruf gesehen. War gut zu lesen! Hast du meine Antwo= rt nicht gesehen? Gru=DF,=20 Stefan / DK7FC -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von Gerhard Hickl Gesendet: Sonntag, 6. Dezember 2009 20:36 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: Question to Antenna Experts Hello folks! As some of you may have noticed, I became active on LF. My TX makes about 50W at 13,8V and the Antenna is a Marconi with multiple topload wires. Basically it consists of two 12m Fiber poles in a distance of abt. 50m (North to South). After about 20m from the feeding point, a 20m wire is connected in a nearly right angle. The end of this wire is in about 10m height to a tree. From the 2nd pole, a wire of 25m leads back to the roof of the house in an acute angle. End is also abt. 10m above ground. The end of both wires are at least 10m away from the tree and the roof to avoid losses due high voltage. The wire diameter is 3mm in the vertical section (11m) and 0,8mm for the first 20m, where the right angled wire diverges. From there all other wires are 0,6mm. The cable to the shack is RG58 abt. 25m long. The feeding point is behind the house and the loading coil is about 2,2mH made with insulated 3mm copper-wire wound on a plastic flower-pot of abt. 45cm diameter. It is placed on the roof of the a little shed. I use "Mini-VNA" to measure this antenna and I added a picture of todays measurement. As you can see, the SWR is abt. 1,8 at best because Z=3D abt. 30. I built a current transformer to measure the antenna current and calibrated it with the dummy. I have 140V p-p on the 50R and this is should produce a current of 1A. I used a Iron-Powder core, primary one turn, secondary is 14 turns and it shows a voltage of 1V after rectifying. Now, that I have it outside on the feeding point, it shows 2V which would means 2A....Thant seems a little bit high to me. Where does this error come from? I want to optimize the antenna regarding Impedance because it's only abt. 30R instead of 50R. Where should I start? More wires in the ground? Does this reduce Impedance or not? More topload? Thicker wires?=20 You see, a lot of questions from somebody who is new to LF. Thank everybody who will take the time an read this long mail in advance. Best regards es 73 OE3GHB Gerhard From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da05.mx.aol.com (rly-da05.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.79]) by air-da09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA092-a6d4b2966f345; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:02:22 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA055-a6d4b2966f345; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:02:13 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NL2p8-0002pN-Rk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:58:26 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NL2p8-0002pE-CW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:58:26 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NL2rZ-0007Mh-Pe for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:01:00 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84DC4C80C2 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:00:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC4B4C80B1 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:00:51 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B2966A3.80402@online.fr> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:00:51 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <88EEC52E6C874CCEB966804D073A3376@White> <57a24ca70912110724l43b18b68t5d2f18849fb14147@mail.gmail.com> <4B22CC94.8020404@online.fr> In-Reply-To: <4B22CC94.8020404@online.fr> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: T/A [137kHz] XGJ verry strong now ! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Warren , LF , Vy good signal of WD2XGJ for the moment ! 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.144]) by air-da06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA062-86164b35e30f232; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 05:18:55 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 63F04380000A2; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 05:18:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOTiA-0004ff-1s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:17:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOTi9-0004fW-MU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:17:25 +0000 Received: from psmtp12.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.24]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOTi6-0005ta-Pv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:17:25 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp12.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KV9001FA8KSFD@psmtp12.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:17:17 +0100 (MET) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:17:19 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <6EFC885C8DAB4DC3A8454505BAF5D3A7@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: XGJ 26-12.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ynReMrGBYF1HTb80n0i3+Q)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/59368 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40904b35e30e4a4e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --Boundary_(ID_ynReMrGBYF1HTb80n0i3+Q) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_0S1O1ok0eURiEpIkBgcasA)" --Boundary_(ID_0S1O1ok0eURiEpIkBgcasA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello Warren,LF Capture XGJ 22:45 - 08:45 loc.time Henny cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: XGJ 26-12.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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Hello Warren,LF
Capture XGJ   22:45 - 08:45 loc.time
Henny cpm
best 73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
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post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHZje-0000Vn-3u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:18:26 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate05.web.de ([217.72.192.243]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHZjb-0005CE-Ul for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:18:26 +0000 Received: from web.de by fmmailgate05.web.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 3AA5E5CE11A9 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 10:18:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from [84.63.121.134] by freemailng2505.web.de with HTTP; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 10:18:16 +0100 Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 10:18:16 +0100 Message-Id: <1523192292@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?iso-8859-15?Q?Horst_St=F6cker?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-Provags-Id: V01U2FsdGVkX1+g3TH8tRvLUVQI01/hKkHQySiMR2eYdMlkW2kEHomUUADEm 21/qoScXE/At4Z9bHokxffZZSfsQsTM9Ky+xbH+yX4ywhHMIEaoHoXDBZ6Pc Q== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 in QRSS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello, I just quoted the first message that was published somewhere I do not reme= mber at all. Great that you remarked the mistake. The date 9-11 December should be right. I is also published in the "official" flyer 1.0 nobeld.pdf 73 HORST > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: "Roman RW3ADB" > Gesendet: 07.12.09 02:49:11 > An: > Betreff: Re: LF: DDH47 in QRSS > Hello Horst, LF! > Remember about your info and look=20 > http://www.doese-apprt.de/pfbday/nobel.html today again. > I can see that info: > >>From 9th December 2009 23:00 until 10th December 2009 01:00 UTC the=20 > transmitter is available for 2 hours in telegraphy. >=20 > It will be possible more exact about that? >=20 > It will be from 9 to 10 or from 10 to 11? What is true? >=20 > * Horst St=F6cker [Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:52:11=20 > +0100]: > > Hello, > > > > despite some of you might have heard about the following news, I was > > very surprised and I am looking forward to this event: > > > > DDH47 147.3 khz in QRSS 3 > > > > In Honor of Nobelprize Winner Marconi and Prof. Ferdinand Braun a > > special transmission will be Date: > > > > 10. Dec 2009 Time: Start 2300 UTC > > > > Frequ. 147,3 kc Mode: > > > > QRSS 3 > > > > PWR: 20 kW > > > > The weather forcast transmitter Pinneberg DDH47 will stop RTTY ( 50=20 > Bd) > > transmission in between 10. Dec 2300h UTC and 11. Dec 001 UTC In this > > timegap, the TX will be used for a special event transmission. Short > > words in QRRS 3 will be transmitted. After the transmission You may > > confirm the receiving at a shortwave frequency or via Internet ( QRG= =20 > and > > adress will be given later) You may check propagation every day /=20 > night > > at 147,3 Kc DDH47, because the TX is working 24 Hours > > > > vy73 Horst DO1KHS > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > Neu: WEB.DE DSL bis 50.000 kBit/s und 200,- Euro Startguthaben! > > http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > Roman RW3ADB. >=20 >=20 ______________________________________________________ GRATIS f=FCr alle WEB.DE-Nutzer: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://movieflat.web.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb11.mx.aol.com (rly-mb11.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.169]) by air-mb02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB021-d3b4b2a1067118; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 06:05:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb11.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB117-d3b4b2a1067118; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 06:05:13 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLE6m-0002ha-H5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:01:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLE6m-0002hR-3x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:01:24 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLE91-0003Se-Uh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:03:46 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8722D7B805B for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:03:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6828A31E702 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:03:55 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:03:55 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <103549.64186.qm@web63605.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <103549.64186.qm@web63605.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20091217110355.6828A31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Fw: DE KU4XR - [NZ4O Spaceweather] Some Solar Cycle 24 Firsts Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Can someone please stop this ;-) It will spoil propagation on LF/MF 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 15:53 16/12/2009, you wrote: >Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. >LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29866 KHz ( QRSS-60 ) >Coordinates: N: 35* 43' 54" - W: 84* 3' 16" >http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr >http://webpages.charter.net/ku4xr/ > > >--- On Wed, 12/16/09, Thomas F. Giella NZ4O wrote: > > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o4.htm > > > > Sunspot group #11035 near N30W13 has grown into the largest > > (seven times larger than the Earth) and most magnetically complex > > (beta-gamma) sunspot group of solar cycle 24. At 0102 UTC the sunspot > > group released a small C5.3 solar flare, the largest solar flare of > > Solar cycle 24. More small C class solar flares are possible, with a > > chance for an isolated medium size M class solar flare. > > > > #11035 also produced the first partially geoeffective (Earth facing) > > coronal mass ejection (CME) of solar cycle 24. The CME will arrive > > at Earth in a approximately two days and could spark a geomagnetic > > storm and visible aurora. Another geoeffective CME is possible, with an > > associated sudden ionosphere disturbance (SID) and shortwave fadeout > > > > The sunspot count is 38 which is the highest of solar cycle 24. The > > solar flux index is 82 which is tied for the highest SFI of solar > > Cycle 24. With the increased sunspot count we should see improved > > propagation conditions on 15 and 12 meters. > > > > 73, GUD DX, Merry X-mas & Happy New Year, > > Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O > > Lakeland, FL, USA > > nz4o@arrl.net > > eList Owner/Moderator > > John 3:16 <>< > > > > COL LF/MF/HF/VHF/UHF Frequency Radiowave Propagation Email > > Reflector: > > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/spaceweather > > NZ4O Daily Solar Space Weather & Geomagnetic Data > > Archive: > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o1.htm > > NZ4O Solar Space Weather & Geomagnetic Data In Graphic > > & Image Format: > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o2.htm > > NZ4O Daily LF/MF/HF/6M Frequency Radiowave Propagation > > Forecast & Archive: > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o3.htm > > NZ4O Solar Cycle 24 Forecast Discussion & Archive: > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o4.htm > > NZ4O 160 Meter Radio Propagation Theory Notes: > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o5.htm > > NZ4O Solar Space Weather & Geomagnetic Raw Forecast > > Data Links: > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o6.htm > > Harmful Man Induced Climate Change (Global Warming) > > Refuted: > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/globalwarminglie.htm > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Spaceweather mailing list > > Spaceweather@contesting.com > > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/spaceweather > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.77]) by air-ma10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA104-b5474b377acef2; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:18:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7E76838000072; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:18:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOus6-0002qN-KE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:17:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOus6-0002qE-6D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:17:30 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOus4-00011Q-G8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:17:30 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqYEAMIIN0tZ8IVt/2dsb2JhbACNWwbDWYQzBIFl X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,459,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="238730856" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.240.133.109]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2009 15:17:22 +0000 Message-ID: <001801ca8707$acf8d570$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:17:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: mf/lf Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01CA8707.ACBF9D00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604d4b377acd4abf X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01CA8707.ACBF9D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now CQ 502.6 Kcs and looking 137.7 Kcs for cw/qrs3 qso. Separate syste= ms for each band, can work both at same time. de g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01CA8707.ACBF9D00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Now CQ 502.6 Kcs and looking 137.7 Kc= s for cw/qrs3=20 qso. Separate systems for each band, can work both at same time.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0015_01CA8707.ACBF9D00-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md01.mx.aol.com (rly-md01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.139]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD053-8e54b22f05834; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:22:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD015-8e54b22f05834; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:22:34 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJGfw-0004b9-I9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:21:36 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJGfw-0004b0-4q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:21:36 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s22.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.33]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJGft-0004WV-Tb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:21:35 +0000 Received: from BLU146-DS2 ([65.55.116.8]) by blu0-omc1-s22.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:21:26 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [117.12.236.134] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: To: References: <4B22ED90.2000505@telus.net> In-Reply-To: <4B22ED90.2000505@telus.net> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:21:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2009 01:21:26.0971 (UTC) FILETIME=[6D0798B0:01CA7AC9] X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: DCF39 very strong ! Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Thanks Scott - Ill move the AK system back to 137 - its been on wspr on 80m and signals from Europe been received all day, such as there is up there. Laurence -------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott Tilley" Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:10 AM To: Subject: LF: DCF39 very strong ! > Prop over the pole is very good right now on 2200m. Never heard DCF39 > audible at sunset before and she's 20-25db over the noise. DCF39 has been > visible on the plot all day (daylight) and has shot up in signal level to > a point not seen before... > > I hope someone out there can fire up and make a try for the grabbers here. > > 73 Scott > VE7TIL CN89dk > http://www3.telus.net/sthed/argo/ > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de08.mx.aol.com (rly-de08.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.144]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE033-4f24b2fd90617a; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:22:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE081-4f24b2fd90617a; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:22:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMof0-0003OQ-3W for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:15:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMoez-0003OH-NP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:15:17 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMojI-00088x-HL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:19:47 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApAFAAJnL0tOlqc1/2dsb2JhbACIXs1ugiWCCQQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,432,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="224127258" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.150.167.53]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2009 20:20:17 +0000 Message-ID: <002301ca827b$0283c9a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <001401ca8222$5ce76d10$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g><9afca2640912210535v7922b3d4ned743d26dfd2a412@mail.gmail.com><001701ca824a$904740e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <20091221165732.37blf9vaoosgkw0k@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:20:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF ACTY Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 You are correct expertise and skill is required by the RX operator and NIL by the qrp TX operator g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 3:57 PM Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF ACTY There is little challenge in copying the mentioned QRO stations, copying QRP stations is the real challenge. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting mal hamilton : > Turn the wick up and someone might hear u. The DL, SM, LA and EIOCF > are booming in here day and nite. > g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roger Lapthorn > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 1:35 PM > Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF ACTY > > Mal, > > I called CQ on 12wpm CW a few times just now on 500kHz, but no takers. > > There is always activity on 500kHz WSPR. Reports of my 1mW ERP > signal received from 4 different stations (so far) in the last hour > or so out to 237kms. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > 2009/12/21 mal hamilton > > I have never heard LF/MF so quiet over the years since it all > started. In the past most of the DX that I have worked was around > XMAS time. The wx at present in Scarborough is minus 2 C and covered > in 6 inches of snow but it is not effecting my antennas so far even > although there is some ice on the wires. > Now calling CQ on 502.6 kcs and looking for acty also on 137 kcs CW > De mal/g3kev > > > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (rly-dg01.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.85]) by air-dg04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG044-59c4b23e2b9249; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:36:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG011-59c4b23e2b9249; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:36:42 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJWoX-0002H2-6i for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:35:33 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJWoW-0002Gt-Ot for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:35:32 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJWob-00010j-A1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:35:38 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.3]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091212183029.RHJC17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:30:29 +0000 Received: from [82.26.120.108] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJWjd-0002wv-Ff for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:30:29 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:30:28 -0000 Message-ID: <01b701ca7b59$2df22470$0417aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: Acp7WS2jqPw/w98JQVa768CIfMqDLQ== X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=uPOaWjZli5BITTFbvBUA:9 a=vcPP0RXY9cZGEqfvr9fsKll_4esA:4 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=aafFIWq9DpmcAosANqIA:9 a=0JSvi2SyjNwN4zSCW0sA:7 a=SGpWqK_5f-fphnv4xIxSp1jMdJwA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: G3KEV loud and clear at G7NKS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01B8_01CA7B59.2DF22470" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_01B8_01CA7B59.2DF22470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Mal Can hear you clear again this evening OM. CQ QSK CQ QSK. I did return the call. Nice signal from Scarboro With best regards Jim G7NKS ------=_NextPart_000_01B8_01CA7B59.2DF22470 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_01B8_01CA7B59.2DF22470-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (rly-dd05.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.152]) by air-dd04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD044-b7d4b2d060733b; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 11:57:55 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD057-b7d4b2d060733b; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 11:57:44 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NM2XP-0002EQ-2R for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:52:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NM2XO-0002EH-Jw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:52:14 +0000 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NM2ah-00038D-Tm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:55:42 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: As4FAG+ULEtOlrSE/2dsb2JhbACIXspGhC4E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,424,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="363643695" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([78.150.180.132]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2009 16:56:16 +0000 Message-ID: <002501ca80cc$2df97f90$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <346854e9698cbf94f4483c66682bb63b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <001e01ca80b0$392cb0b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:56:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I said recently that the wire connecting these type of mini antennas is in fact the antenna. It was the same with the Partridge Joy stick of yesteryears, the long connecting wire to the small loading coil was doing most of the work. There is no substitute for a real resonant antenna at the working frequency. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 1:36 PM Subject: LF: Re: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals > >I think the role of the ground with active whips is often neglected - the output of the whip preamp > >is the voltage differential between the whip element and the circuit ground, so the ground > >connection is just as much part of the antenna as the whip element itself is. > > That's an important point that is often overlooked or ignored. A mini whip mounted up at 5 meters is > a 5 meter antenna. You can easily prove this by mounting it at ground zero on top of a ground > screen. Been there, done that. > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me08.mx.aol.com (rly-me08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.42]) by air-me09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME093-9d14b2d449a12f; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:24:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME085-9d14b2d449a12f; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:24:44 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NM6hc-0003Oi-3i for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:19:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NM6hb-0003OZ-LC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:19:03 +0000 Received: from mail-yw0-f176.google.com ([209.85.211.176]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NM6l0-0004WP-6Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:22:36 +0000 Received: by ywh6 with SMTP id 6so4342155ywh.4 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:23:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=yPsXq0YMWHZobYoG8S0x0qm/y0OKaoxVS+6WgRHFW2Q=; b=GSrS1Vy513zWzGfFc28buajEmxBZ2J1UNuztU2SmunIbDo735PlIU2GRvUielb8h4g cIHEU549KqMViohtgupyTqwsVBtpswSZBYLuIaw2sLNOgXNzFlzmZJlqVuf8TSKWu6kV NW2a8RTW7kTOuZaC/Ha8/lzKqYm2xAwyCQv3M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=eLl+Y91NVWC8MYKGIBoRGYGIGUzOEkd6Bi/gTTIOupry3nnuKDYeSWRlodKFxw4teu WS5yLg7Vm3H70I1qpJ2bMJ5dvj7WKO6HYFBEFft3yzWjW+naMQwfoet6qkCWLLn6Obq8 q3K6UPE9cf3LiUiOcF6zIKQQGBZX7/XMhmDHE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.105.3 with SMTP id d3mr8538731ybc.293.1261257790405; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:23:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <002801ca80dc$639db200$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <002801ca80dc$639db200$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:23:10 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca70912191323q42dc08acr75fcd0cef89cea5@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: Re: LF: HOT 500 RX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d279.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Mal, Isn't that RX really an Eddystone 958 with a Hagenuk label ? --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 1:52 PM, mal hamilton wrot= e: > =A0=A0Using a marine RX Haghenuk EE 430 at present 10 kcs - 30 mcs. Hot= RX on > 500 kcs > de G3KEV > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma10.mx.aol.com (rly-ma10.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.54]) by air-ma10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA102-8d24b250fe036c; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:01:44 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA104-8d24b250fe036c; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:01:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJqre-00054m-8y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:00:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJqrd-00054d-Ra for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:00:05 +0000 Received: from mail-ew0-f223.google.com ([209.85.219.223]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJqs7-0004hY-8p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:00:37 +0000 Received: by ewy23 with SMTP id 23so968605ewy.4 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 08:00:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=86J7uUJVTQE1RvCxZH9EaXx2pmX3K1l/VQlrzWVuzB8=; b=lUtGm2DZGKCPGUeN+Jd9j/GpqZGmK3VPG8BWKyn6HkU8GL+b6SjfUeKu2ztug7xsNn iFJfUNQ1zDokxDJhkcPSQgsQUu0KGCLGAS6uxjXLTR6Q16mO8ypBSytrXvWBXF8pooiz BTseEEaEQXdd2feitn/GzNrIMFloRtDLLAeqg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=hd8JxFsSoLObdxDUAuRJ+gyDPHhUFVPbsBsG34Ff4Kie8B35MFGxoPZ5qYkxa+Lpqy aoqfakNG4zgTnYfRMZqhEdC129gGz7Rv2WTgV6LlrmxDS92VH5rdarCkms3c5X8GQaR+ z2inTKijms3hjjVKurv9r1AoS09aaZs6l4NOE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.109.201 with SMTP id k9mr2215380ebp.87.1260720034497; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 08:00:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B250D02.733.14E9A34@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> References: <1260444821.6353.65.camel@vaio3rd> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC12@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B250D02.733.14E9A34@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:00:34 +0100 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anton_B=E4rtschi?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0ce0d848d144a9047a9e4174 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d278.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0ce0d848d144a9047a9e4174 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello Mike Is there a special procedure to shorten QSO's in QRSS10 or are there short signs? Couldn't we use letters in stead of numbers in our calls? Or just a 3 for 73 to give an example? 3 HBNASB 2009/12/13 Mike Dennison > See my web page: > > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mike.dennison/index/lf/gallery/dl3zid.htm > > for an illustration of the difference between QRSS3 and QRSS10 on a > marginal signal. > > Mike, G3XDV > ========== > > > Does anybody know about the "gain" between QRSS3 and QRSS10 or QRSS30? > > I mean, if the noise in both cases is equal, how much can I reduce my > > tx pwr when switching from qrss3 to qrss10? Or isn't it possible to > > give such a relation? And: Was there ever a TA QSO in QRSS3? I am new > > on the reflector, sri ;-) > > > > Stefan / DK7FC > > > > > > > > --000e0ce0d848d144a9047a9e4174 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Mike
Is there a special procedure to shorten QSO's in QRSS10= or are there short signs?
Couldn't we use letters in stead of num= bers in our calls?
Or just a 3 for 73 to give an example?
3 HBNASB=

2009/12/13 Mike Dennison = <mike.dennison@ntlworld.c= om>
See my web page:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mike.dennison/inde= x/lf/gallery/dl3zid.htm

for an illustration of the difference between QRSS3 and QRSS10 on a
marginal signal.

Mike, G3XDV
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

> Does anybody know about the "gain" between QRSS3 and QRSS10= or QRSS30?
> I mean, if the noise in both cases is equal, how much can I reduce my=
> tx pwr when switching from qrss3 to qrss10? Or isn't it possible= to
> give such a relation? And: Was there ever a TA QSO in QRSS3? I am new=
> on the reflector, sri ;-)
>
> Stefan / DK7FC
>
>




--000e0ce0d848d144a9047a9e4174-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df12.mx.aol.com (rly-df12.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.25]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF081-5994b1d02601d8; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 08:26:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF128-5994b1d02601d8; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 08:25:54 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHdZS-0001Pl-Hl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:24:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHdZS-0001Pc-2j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:24:10 +0000 Received: from smtp825.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.235]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHdZR-0004cb-Dk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:24:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 21229 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2009 13:24:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=tUzof3KojnJdHWtaBks713No8p2OV3lf+SMm3dSjg02PPxexYKQSNTbHEfORxg2B+qtGS96D8gB2/38BcP4x83T2xG1f83G6Lvg/4UI0JiqOVJadAjhxLLInQQvHrDPAmoWhpQdHZaXb7mQbpJEjxwLmgPbfLLMLA7TdkrTL/4Q= ; Received: from unknown (HELO IBM7FFA209F07C) (c.ashby435@81.135.139.105 with login) by smtp825.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 13:24:02 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9STUSnaswBBSd6nO_2gAC20jmYlWRjmg8d5iYd8s.rl181aR6Sw- X-YMail-OSG: lRPnTCgVM1mfFFpFGzc09h8objb42rlGW0jnm2jMIYJS_qHPgPwXgpDPMgeqPcv.r3DQTn5gIhC0SHLAq083j6yK04sTW1Iqv.KlyOJvvaP5CzgTaui.CtDokWxd6E0iGeUS2F2jmp42dQbFjsVBYtCvz35vh.ymednqDJlXhvmBSrqObmpdPYCP8_dE83V7uJrmdswYA9tBx_5qhjUPNk3gTUIO7kYeb8dpFxRMf7ynTw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <58BC8F2CDF3C4B2EBB8CD12811A173C8@IBM7FFA209F07C> From: "Chris" To: "RSGB LF Group" Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:24:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Correct test time Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01CA7740.8B675DE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.3 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01CA7740.8B675DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, Re: Test DDH47 147.3 QRSS3. This has now got VERY confusing. Is the transmission one hour UTC eith= er side of midnight 9th into 10th, or one hour UTC either side of midn= ight 10th into 11th December? Incidentally, my first message along these lines got a failure notice,= it said "This message scored 4.5 spam points - rejected". No comment= necessary! Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01CA7740.8B675DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All,
Re: Test DDH47 147.3 QRSS3.
This has now got VERY confusing. Is= the=20 transmission one hour UTC either side of midnight 9th into 10th, or on= e hour UTC=20 either side of midnight 10th into 11th December?
Incidentally, my first message along= these lines=20 got a failure notice, it said "This message scored 4.5 spam points -= rejected".=20 No comment necessary!
Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable,=20 Kent.
------=_NextPart_000_002C_01CA7740.8B675DE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de04.mx.aol.com (rly-de04.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.140]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE031-4d14b18195536a; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:02:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE048-4d14b18195536a; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:02:30 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGHrp-00048K-K4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:01:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGHrp-00048B-9Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:01:33 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGHro-0007xb-OK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:01:33 +0000 Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091203200127.VVNX27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:01:27 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091203200127.YFHY2093.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:01:27 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:01:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B181911.14897.10C57EC@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=dUma5NnJ1iTid-m5DfoA:9 a=Tg1YbpEzVWbhhM-OSeGwfSbraQkA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: XDV 136.318kHz Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I will be transmitting 'XDV' overnight tonight using QRSS60 on 136.3180kHz. Mike, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (rly-dc07.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.36]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC041-b344b20321f2ff; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:26:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC078-b344b20321f2ff; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:26:25 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIVuL-0006Nd-Qo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:25:21 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIVuL-0006NU-3j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:25:21 +0000 Received: from nina.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.76]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIVuJ-00048q-CB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:25:21 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by nina.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nB9NPCcP004840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 19:55:12 -0330 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 19:55:12 -0330 (NST) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 147.3 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Loud and clear in Canada. 579. 73 Joe VO1NA On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com wrote: > DDH47 now on CW abt 15 wpm 549 > > > > > From: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:52 PM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc08.mx.aol.com (rly-mc08.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.92]) by air-mc06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC063-d894b1b508437c; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 01:35:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC081-d894b1b508437c; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 01:34:45 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHAgf-0002jz-Kp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:33:41 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHAgf-0002jq-3u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:33:41 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s25.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.36]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHAge-0006du-FH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:33:41 +0000 Received: from BLU146-DS1 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s25.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 5 Dec 2009 22:33:34 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [221.198.86.16] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 06:33:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2009 06:33:34.0269 (UTC) FILETIME=[08E3FED0:01CA763E] X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: W on 137.779kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Also seen here in China, UA4WPF? Laurence BY3A KL1 X -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jacek Lipkowski" Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 4:12 AM To: Subject: LF: W on 137.779kHz > Someone is sending W on 137.779 in QRSS120. > > Does anybody know who it is? > > vy 73 > > Jacek / SQ5BPF > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de02.mx.aol.com (rly-de02.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.138]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE032-4b84b251c78e5; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:55:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE023-4b84b251c78e5; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:55:21 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJrhc-0006EH-FW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:53:48 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJrhc-0006E8-24 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:53:48 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJriD-00046u-BJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:54:27 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 13 Dec 2009 16:54:18 -0000 Received: from p5DD35FDD.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.211.95.221] by mail.gmx.net (mp017) with SMTP; 13 Dec 2009 17:54:18 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19NDSdE4bRN0Y3FLF8Jru9A6ncRGxy5rHSbUDk97S 4Vv4/3Uk1N9rMq Message-ID: <018101ca7c14$e9405ce0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> <241919.87622.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9afca2640912130305r3acb5e5fs991caaa1115d2255@mail.gmail.com> <6E7638745A1B43168C402CDBB010C2A7@AGB> <297314752.20091213174834@web.de> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:54:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.53 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: IK1HSS WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Michael, saw your name in the database but didn't realize that it might have been you. Did you try the ALA1530,too? 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Oexner" To: Cc: ; "Marco IK1ODO" Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 5:48 PM Subject: Re: LF: IK1HSS WSPR Ciao Marco, > IK1HSS is active in WSPR on 137.740 (signal frequency, carrier is at > 136.420). ERP power is 50 mW from JN35TB. > Reports are appreciated to ik1hss@arrl.net ! 1638 -22 0.1 0.137753 -1 IK1HSS JN35 17 1642 -19 0.2 0.137753 -1 IK1HSS JN35 17 1646 -17 0.1 0.137753 0 IK1HSS JN35 17 Listening here with Perseus and mini-whip antenna. -- vy 73 + gd DX, Michael RX: ICOM R75, SDR-IQ, Perseus Antenna: Wellbrook ALA 1530, Mini-Whip Location: Roschbach, Germany N 4915' E 807' / Locator JN49BF ENDBH & NANDBH editor http://ndbchangeblog.blogspot.com http://lwca.org/miscdocs/oexner/2009NDBinfo.zip -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.716 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.105/2561 - Ausgabedatum: 12/12/09 20:39:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc05.mx.aol.com (rly-dc05.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.34]) by air-dc09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC094-b1f4b3878f3272; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 04:23:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC053-b1f4b3878f3272; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 04:23:00 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPBnd-0004VD-Kq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:22:01 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPBnd-0004V4-3t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:22:01 +0000 Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.213.7]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPBnb-0001mg-2X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:22:01 +0000 Received: from [172.23.170.138] (helo=anti-virus01-09) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NPBna-0001OA-2r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:21:58 +0000 Received: from [92.235.33.173] (helo=p4) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NPBnZ-0008Li-9G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:21:57 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Mark" To: References: <80578.2091.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <5263798E332240C3BC686B3164057D2F@p4> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:21:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: WD2XSH/17 decoded in GM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0080_01CA879F.33BA5600" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01CA879F.33BA5600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All,=20 Must be too early, it seems I missed a bit in the change log about sup= port for compound callsigns in V2 Excellent! Mark GM4ISM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 9:03 AM Subject: LF: WD2XSH/17 decoded in GM Hi All,=20 3 instances of decodes of WD2XSH on 503.890KHz last night between 01= :00 and 03:00z all with bad message tagged, and no /17 appended These of course did not upload, sigs were 2 off -28 dB and 1 off -27= dB Several other corrupted calls reported on the same frequency. I was using WSPR1.01, now upgraded to WSPR2 r1714. The change log= does not suggest that 1.01 does not handle the suffixes correctly, bu= t I am hoping that the upgrade will improve things Interestingly the RX noise level indicator says -30dB all the time,= irrespective of the audio level settings, though it displays and deco= des well enough. Soundcard setup is non-standard here, RX is softrock, processed by= Speclab (which also provides the grabber see www.dc2light.co.uk for= a link) Audio Output from Speclab is filtered, frequency shifted and= then passed to the WSPR software. Pleased to copy the WD2XSH/17 on the tiny mag loop antenna, which is= aligned roughly E-W and therfore has a null towards the USA Hopefully future spots will reach the database. Hope all have a happy and prosperous 2010 Mark GM4ISM IO85AR ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.121/2589 - Release Date:= 12/27/09 09:18:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01CA879F.33BA5600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All,
Must be too early, it seems I missed= a bit in the=20 change log about support for compound callsigns in V2
 
Excellent!
Mark GM4ISM
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mark
Sent: Monday, December 28, 20= 09 9:03=20 AM
Subject: LF: WD2XSH/17 decode= d in=20 GM

Hi All,
3 instances of decodes of WD2XSH=20 on 503.890KHz last night between 01:00 and 03:00z all with ba= d message=20 tagged, and no /17 appended
These of course did not upload, sig= s were 2 off=20 -28 dB and 1 off -27dB
Several other corrupted calls repor= ted on the=20 same frequency.
 
I was using WSPR1.01, now upgraded= to WSPR2 =20 r1714. The change log does not suggest that 1.01 does not handle the= suffixes=20 correctly, but I am hoping that the upgrade will improve things
 Interestingly the RX noise le= vel indicator=20 says -30dB all the time, irrespective of the audio level settings,= though it=20 displays and decodes well enough.
Soundcard setup is non-standard her= e, RX is=20 softrock, processed by Speclab (which also provides the grabber = ; see www.dc2light.co.uk= for a link) Audio=20 Output from Speclab is filtered, frequency shifted and then passed= to the WSPR=20 software.
 
Pleased to copy the WD2XSH/17= on the tiny=20 mag loop antenna, which is aligned roughly E-W and therfore has a nu= ll towards=20 the USA
Hopefully future spots will reach= the=20 database.
Hope all have a happy and prosperou= s=20 2010
Mark GM4ISM IO85AR


No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AV= G -=20 www.avg.com
Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.121/2589= - Release=20 Date: 12/27/09 09:18:00
------=_NextPart_000_0080_01CA879F.33BA5600-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg09.mx.aol.com (rly-mg09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.115]) by air-mg10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG104-a314b2a56bb2f9; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:05:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG093-a314b2a56bb2f9; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:05:17 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLImW-0007Bi-T6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:00:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLImW-0007BZ-DZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:00:48 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLIos-0005Jm-B3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:03:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 11137 invoked by uid 507); 17 Dec 2009 17:03:24 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2009 17:03:24 +0100 Message-ID: <200912171703320369.1D457178@smtp2.numeo.fr> In-Reply-To: <1260202597.4b1d2a65f3b5c@imp.netikka.net> References: <1260202597.4b1d2a65f3b5c@imp.netikka.net> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:03:32 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Broadcast audio splatter on 136kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I have been hearing this during the paast week, both after dark and in day= light. It coincides with a strong signal here from Lakihegy, but I do not= say the Hungarian transmission causes it. John Rabson=20 F5VLF 58800 Cervon France JN17vg *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 07/12/2009 at 18:16 Paul-Henrik wrote: >LF > >Does anybody else on the reflector suffer from BC-splatter on 136kHz? It >has >been a regular occurance here lately after dark. After some identificatio= n >work >I have a match on the running programmes on 171 and 225kHz, 225kHz being >the >stronger. > >I blamed my RX chain at first and started to eliminate IMD possibilities >but >even now using a passive antenna and a very sharp bandpass filter (much >like an >IF-filter for a valve BC-set) I still have the BC splatter. > >So far I have not been able to determine the carrier frequency of this >"phantom >station" but it must be close to the carrier of Lakihegy. Using AM >detection >with a narrow filter it seems centered around 135.4kHz. Sounds like two >BC-stations on top of eachother and the USB reaches up in the amateur ban= d >making "ghost whispers". > >Luxembourg effect, transmitter IMD or just me missing the point? The >bandpass >filter is very effective and there are only weak traces of signals above >150kHz. > > >BR > >Paul-Henrik, OH1LSQ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-di02.mx.aol.com (rly-di02.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.6]) by air-di01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI012-eab74b16aa138d; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:55:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-di02.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E45C338003995; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:55:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFtOv-0006P8-CD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:54:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFtOv-0006Oz-1C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:54:05 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.27]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFtOt-0007hn-CE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:54:05 +0000 Received: from pc1 (ndb.demon.nl [82.161.81.65]) by smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nB2HrlS9076334 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:54:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:53:46 -0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Roelof Bakker" MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B16987B.9000002@usa.net> Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4B16987B.9000002@usa.net> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.63 (Win32) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40064b16aa112b88 X-AOL-IP: 172.29.64.6 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Alberto, I have used a large coffee tin (30 cm high and 27 cm diameter), for a passive electric field probe. The capacitance was way to high for active circuitry. Instead a rf transformer wound on a hefty high mu toroid was used to couple the antenna to the coaxial feedline. It worked, though the bandwidth was restricted to LF and MF. An other example is using a small diecast alluminium box (50 x 50 x 30 mm) with the buffer amplifier mounted inside. 73, Roelof, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (rly-mg06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.112]) by air-mg07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG072-a1e4b197da122e; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:23:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG068-a1e4b197da122e; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:22:42 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGfb9-0002X7-Hy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:21:55 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGfb9-0002Wy-3i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:21:55 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f215.google.com ([209.85.220.215]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGfb7-0000e0-EA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:21:55 +0000 Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so2855652fxm.29 for ; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:21:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=cnvQIX7a+SrHVpDXm0HuzPYFgN6mkBrq5wrJiqo7Dm0=; b=MOPCoIVXDr4upc7JRe76FZZiLpuxZaWREmAvA2flZUoAZ1gUwk7Pv/CT8D5qOelfX6 BR6EO6Xsyffcz7eXKw0Ooj+BL6DjbSJ7W7Gna2+ioxPyfc6d0GHETugrDB6QjPVsc/oq tZvfswshtUpWsu/1Xbu6wcu5YayYisrKHeyH0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=nKoAOnnXjNiAB++gLaR3yS6eBu5WPdCI/wfSNuatXI/PS6halNY3qFVFtpCSROYsQV Iy2MKAHZJTA1Qb6fgy4M8VAdrZMYe/rNPUTVG989O6jvmWryhwGQR/s3ExbTi7PPS8Yx vc5JKeOR0oY/F7VwzmbPByyNbb6xYCTPp6lUo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.139.100 with SMTP id s36mr393808hbs.109.1259961707693; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:21:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <200912042200570285.01038188@smtp2.numeo.fr> References: <000a01ca74ff$163eb010$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <778502A52141494DA85FD6F121E71A01@lindavideo> <200912042200570285.01038188@smtp2.numeo.fr> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 21:21:47 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: FUSE TEST Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m269.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) I believe 'standard' fuses are designed to blow in around one second at 100% overload. At 50% overload, an hour or two - ish. Back at school in the 1970's, "someone" rewired the 100A fuse controlling the stage lighting box with 5A fusewire, and set up the lights to draw 15A illuminating the morning assembly one day. Worked to perfection - the headmaster and his deputy were plunged into darkness midway through their spiel. The large mass of ceramic housing cooled the wire and extended the overload duration to 15 minutes at 200% overload. The fuse and carrier were VERY hot afterwards, the brass contacts had even discoloured. Good thing the wire was surrounded by asbestos :-) Also, about that time, "someone" also wanted to see what a 30 A short on the mains looked like. Won't do that again intentionally! Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police 2009/12/4 John RABSON : > > On 04/12/2009 at 20:22 Ken wrote: > >>The ceramic fuses in 13A plug tops usually have a 100% overload >>capabiliy, this was also the case for some of the BT fuses. >> >>Ken >>de M0KHW > > I believe they are supposed to be able to clear 7000A short circuit (in case the installation is too close to the substation). > > John F5VLF > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da02.mx.aol.com (rly-da02.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.76]) by air-da06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA061-a574b1b96e82c8; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:35:22 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA027-a574b1b96e82c8; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:35:05 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHFNJ-0004J9-Hl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:34:01 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHFNJ-0004J0-3g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:34:01 +0000 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHFNH-0007xX-KD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:34:01 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqsGABQlG0tOlKDg/2dsb2JhbACIfpEuulOEMwSBZw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,349,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="153058307" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([78.148.160.224]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 06 Dec 2009 11:33:54 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01ca7667$fdf3e8d0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4B1B4301.8090909@telus.net> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:33:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: LF: Re: TIL Grabber status... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Scott I work mostly VE stns with a two letter suffix, is a three letter suffix a Novice licence? de Mal/G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Tilley" To: Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 5:37 AM Subject: LF: TIL Grabber status... > Hi Gentlemen and Mal > > I've been tweaking the grabber some more and found that there where some > bugs when viewing it with Microsoft IE (which I don't use for this and > many other reasons...) Now fixed. > > Also the DCF39 grabber has entered a stable data gather mode. A weekly > animation of the daily plots will now be provided. Anyone interested in > raw data should drop me a line off list. > > Any suggestions? Please let me know... > > As usual the grabber is running 24/7 in the 2200m watering hole with > both a 60sec and 120sec dot screen... > > 73 Scott > VE7TIL CN89dk > http://www3.telus.net/sthed/argo/ > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (rly-dd03.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.150]) by air-dd07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD072-b6c4b20f0c3156; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:00:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD036-b6c4b20f0c3156; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:59:49 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIibW-0002Hy-GJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:58:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIibV-0002Hp-Tv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:58:45 +0000 Received: from msa-k1.u-netsurf.ne.jp ([202.233.11.14]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp>) id 1NIibT-0002lD-VU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:58:45 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.5] (d25.HkanagawaFL59.vectant.ne.jp [122.103.154.25]) by msa-k1.u-netsurf.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81D8134BDC for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:58:40 +0900 (JST) From: Rick Wakatori <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <20091210100700.32DEC31E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <1260444821.6353.65.camel@vaio3rd> Organization: RLL Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:58:41 +0900 Message-Id: <1260449921.6353.77.camel@vaio3rd> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AW: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Laurence and the others, OKay. I will operate QRSS60 at 137780Hz as long as possible on 13th December. My antenna at there will be much suitable than usual. 73, Rick --=20 -.. . --... .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-. 7L1RLL under ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP) URL=3Dhttp://www1.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html -..--- -.- .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-... ...-. On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 11:39 +0000, hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com wrote: > Look forward to seeing the Signals Rik - The 13th will be my last weeken= d of=20 > Ops in China, and will be returning to Oklahoma in January ,,,,,,, >=20 > Laurence KL 1 X in BY3A >=20 >=20 >=20 > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Rick Wakatori" <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 11:33 AM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: AW: TX-2200A >=20 > > I agree Rik's observation on the 100W limitation. > > > > Average CW operator is a KEY-technician without any science. > > A good earth is essencial for LF operation, otherwise would get LF sho= ck > > at frame of transmitter. > > Linear amplifier is based on self responsibility. > > > > There is another reason in a market place for such tranceiver in JP. > > 100W/50W machine has much wider, say 100 times, of market place than= 1KW > > machine. > > > > In any way, there is still a high wall in front of a operator who > > bought the machine, such tuner, good earth, good antenna and etc. > > > > In any way, I will operate QRSS60 using TX2200A/50W at 137780Hz+-1Hz= in > > a peak of peninsular from 01:00UTC to 02:30UTC on coming Sunday,Decemb= er > > 13,20 or 27 depending on crimate. > > 73, > > --=20 > > -.. . --... .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-. > > 7L1RLL under ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP) > > URL=3Dhttp://www1.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html > > -..--- -.- .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-... ...-. > > On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 11:07 +0100, Rik Strobbe wrote: > >> Stefan, > >> > >> there is one good reason to limit the output > >> power 100W: more power could become lethal (high antenna voltages /= =20 > >> currents). > >> The "black box operators" must be protected > >> against this danger, otherwise they might go QRT due to "natural=20 > >> selection" :-) > >> > >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > >> > >> At 10:19 10/12/2009, you wrote: > >> >Warren, LF, > >> >Tnx for the info! > >> >I am not "afraid" that now many OMs come on the > >> >band who just bought their rig, like on HF. Even > >> >if you could buy a loading coil, you never will > >> >get qrv satisfactorily cause you always have to > >> >consider many things like the earth, the local > >> >noise reduction, the impedance transformation to 50 Ohm and so on. > >> >These OMs, even if they could buy a automatic > >> >tuner (that would not be easy to create as a > >> >commercial product) for LF, would be frustrated > >> >soon cause there are no contests and no 100s of > >> >stns calling on the band ;-) They would say "LF > >> >is dead, just nerving qrm" and would never get > >> >the fascination that we all experience. > >> >Finally I don't understand why this PA has just > >> >100W. To reach 1W ERP, most LFers have to apply > >> >1kW and more, so 100W is QRP on LF ;-). 1kW can > >> >easily be reached on LF without using expensive > >> >special transistors and drivers and ferrite > >> >cores. E.g. with one simple IRFP360 we can built > >> >a 1kW high efficiency calss d or e PA that costs not even 50=E2=82= =AC... > >> >These difficulties to get qrv is one part of the > >> >LF hobby and if they are solved, one can be glad > >> >even without doing 100s of qsos in one evening :-) > >> > > >> >Stefan / DK7FC > >> >-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht----- > >> >Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > >> >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Warren=20 > >> >Ziegler > >> >Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. Dezember 2009 16:30 > >> >An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > >> >Betreff: LF: TX-2200A > >> > > >> >Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 > >> >Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver > >> >muting. > >> >Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! > >> > > >> >http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >73 Warren K2ORS > >> > WD2XGJ > >> > WD2XSH/23 > >> > WE2XEB/2 > >> > WE2XGR/1 > >> > >> > > > > > > > >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da01.mx.aol.com (rly-da01.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.75]) by air-da04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA044-a4e4b207d0a2c6; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:46:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA016-a4e4b207d0a2c6; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:46:04 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIatm-0007uX-3k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:45:06 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIatl-0007uO-4x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:45:05 +0000 Received: from defout.telus.net ([199.185.220.240]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIatj-0005iu-3l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:45:05 +0000 Received: from edtnaa03.telusplanet.net ([75.157.163.71]) by priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091210044500.VMPW760.priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net@edtnaa03.telusplanet.net> for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 21:45:00 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.67] (d75-157-163-71.bchsia.telus.net [75.157.163.71]) by edtnaa03.telusplanet.net (BorderWare Security Platform) with ESMTP id 952591E3E3C281C2 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 21:45:00 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <4B207CCB.2060405@telus.net> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:44:59 +0000 From: Scott Tilley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4B206EEF.8060700@telus.net> In-Reply-To: <4B206EEF.8060700@telus.net> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Unid signal on ~137778.8Hz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) DCF39 audible tonight... Nice signals over the last few days. By the looks of the plot it may have been audible a couple of hours before sunset today for the first time! Scott Tilley wrote: > Anyone own the carrier on 137778.8ish? Started around 0030UTC and is > still going now at 0345UTC. Drifting down slightly in frequency as it > goes... > > TU ES 73, > Scott > VE7TIL CN89dk > http://www3.telus.net/sthed/argo/ > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc02.mx.aol.com (rly-mc02.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.86]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC021-d5b4b169a4d2ee; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:48:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC023-d5b4b169a4d2ee; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:48:14 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFsMK-0005KH-Pq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:47:20 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFsMK-0005K8-4Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:47:20 +0000 Received: from smtp825.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.13.122]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFsMH-0006G0-Tm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:47:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 89378 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2009 16:47:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=CGBgWjOTzL2EknArgWMRnuddu84/GRj8vfZJ8O6U3n2rz/ZsBwlpIeoynO0nocwiKU7ZGbN++IqIkZOu3rrbZEp+1m/pwmJGzPkaxxqzsLFwkfgNDohx6ggCE/2rnW32Rxq5xW9xZR/ToZkkfNO5njBmgAU+H3IWZL0FxtgAKkA= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@81.131.41.72 with login) by smtp825.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 16:47:11 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: KHdpK2OswBBXlm4uxknbEiS4uYdJoGknHN90u4K8__lTafnafZg- X-YMail-OSG: Cfayxx8VM1mdjpLym6vO1H24ubeFKhDeyv6rtrC5XaXnNOC7Hs58iDhW_tXVe4F.CfH00jhuFG0p5dGIW694vfNJydnA0hIpUUMDqxP9UQVK2FdrRuIvzOh5hVU43JhFDUEFh7dTHxQPhV_BPh136Yvr6bJL3MjC1OHRey.gja10jvJU89QvhxYim9c12XRPunVfrI1mybNHPLHRIFuF0JxkXM9aFHziTkl8D9Y9p_FnuWCVDTjNHpAuxCmsSREuzvRuaIPc6GI85KtCjoM5G4mTDQnuUu1X5MzOVi6nZ.l3Yz1mJgLuqvT7fiz7gypVuYSl2xdtdMmoHQV9YfiYxWCJ39Xy X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <001b01ca736f$1f3324d0$0900a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:47:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=BE_AMAZED autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Stephan, well if you look at Roelof 'PA0RDTs "MiniWhip" you will find the "whip" is about 4 square cms area of copper pcb material. The thing you muct be careful about is where you put your "ground" reference. The usual method is to run a wire vertically down to ground brlow the "whip". The volatge "collected" by the e-probe is proportional to its "height" so you might say you are sampling two points on the incoming wave and the farther apart you sample the bigger induced voltage you get. The difficult ting if you are in a high noise area is to stop the coax feeder braid from piching up the noise and injecting it into the whip "amplifier" (really and impedance converter.) For instance Laurence KL1X has had these on top of tower blocks, but has found the best low noise ground reference is the frame of the balcony doors, these presumably are connected to the reinforcing material in the structuse and that seems to suppress noise generated inside the block rom the likes of TV and lift motors. They dont work for everybody because it very much depends on your noise source and how far away it is. There certainly is not much advantage in having a long whip or wire on these antennas, but increased height will improve the picked up signal strength. It may be with a shorter wire there is less coupling to the feeder coax. If you can reject the noise from there you could increase the height and get better S/N on signals. Every location is different!!. Good experiment....keep trying !! you will be amazed what can be a achieved once you conquor the locally generated stuff. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 4:01 PM Subject: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Hi Mike, Bernd, LF, Thank you very much for your transmission yesterday in the evening! I could do very useful tests and improve my little rx-antenna significantly. I'm not sure if anyone who uses a short E-field active antenna as a rx antenna knows about the dependence of wire length and the height above ground so I want to give a report of the results of my tests yesterday in the dark. Perhaps some others could improve their antenna by these explanations... (First I tried to sent the pictures into the mail but the mail size became more than 100kB and so the mail wasn't reflected, as it seems. So I do modify the mail cancelling the Pictures. I put them on my page at qrz.com and those who are interested in the results of my improvements can find them there (at the lower end of the site)...) For the first test I tried the active antenna with a wire of 1,4m. The lower end of the wire was abt 2m above gnd (observed signal of G3XDV)(Argo without AGC and RX with fast AGC). There was almost nothing to see. Then, I reduced the wire length to 80cm while the hight above gnd keeping constant. Results were much better as can be seen. Next: 40cm wire length: even much better! Next: 30cm: signal gets lower but qrm also. SNR slightly better. Next: 25cm is the best, as I think. Next: 20cm Signal becomes worse. So, the optimum seems to be at around 25...30cm! Next: 20cm in a height of 4m: Signal comes up but noise also. No significant increase of SNR The signals of Ossi/OE5ODL were audible in all the tests and vy gd to cpi. But the signal was too strong to see any differences between the S/N ratios (a Picture is also available). My Conclusion: It seems that a short receiving antenna can bee seen as a capacitive divider out of the capacity between far field and antenna and the capacity between antenna and ground. If the wire length is to much, the input stage becomes nonlinear/goes into saturation. If the height above ground is increased the signal comes up, but not the signal/noise ratio(surely there will be a benefit if such an antenna is placed in a region with heavy local qrm. Then, the height should be increased and the wire length can be decreased). So, one cannot say "the more the better" talking about the wire length! It's exciting, we can receive our "QRP"-Signals (compared to HF) over a distance of 100s or 1000s of km with a wire that is 1/10000 Lambda! In comparison, in the 80m band that would be an antenna of 8mm (!) ;-) With this improvement I get new hope for receiving anything out of the city, where my home QTH is... I hope this report isn't nerving because of the long text (and pictures) and size. I try to stay always below 100kB. Perhaps some RXs can be improved or Lowfers gets motivated to try such an antenna... 73, Stefan/DK7FC PS: Mike, what's your locator? I want to check the distance and take a view to your QTH (on http://f6fvy.free.fr/qthLocator/fullScreen.php everyone can type the searched QTH-Locator and watch the QTH of the received stn). So one can see the distance and the wave travelling path and if the stn in directly at the beach or in the mountains and so on. Vy fine! PPS: I forward this message to Bernd, the constructor of the preamp. I think he doesn't know that the antenna gets even better when reducing the wire length! (tnx Bernd!) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md04.mx.aol.com (rly-md04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.142]) by air-md04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD044-8fe4b1d50a23c1; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:59:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD046-8fe4b1d50a23c1; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:59:48 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHinL-0003K0-Gg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:58:51 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHinL-0003Jr-3v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:58:51 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHinG-0001Qk-Og for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:58:51 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so4033727bwz.4 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 10:58:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=/P8Bs+mk70B1bbALHBFdqpJgX9Uw14x08IVujH3GhGM=; b=gJThZg/M3yXSGovbjEXEcvltYhZNNXhuaKrOIDVeNowc7nxHNya3UOaLaH6NlJrlWe gnOOr8RDC1de1UFYFSjutUb+Ax1ZVD21rNYlmPOZMLppY8rTjc1Dm1i1aXjHiqjFciWO /0nDDIg4unF4ARvvx0LX1TTNqQTA6q1u3oWo0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=UPp/dRB7QOHlT8rRd3/fFa0S27mhA4Yh1MHxHWIAbXNORZGnbbgs9WEGrEoUTRpEDi cA1jgJHSFI5EjPQJjyqTdNbtEKJBZIyHIOuAbT99iPg6IYMhEYHMbv1uW4cPfmm+Zm6j aZePBAWE4PR9Zhh14vTmu6t7LIKHPftnSYs2Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.24.69 with SMTP id u5mr7624446bkb.1.1260212320666; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 10:58:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 18:58:40 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2640912071058u8d99fbbp6c9464d698d6f0f7@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500kHz CW CQ CQ.... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325554766b706cb047a280bbb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d269.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000325554766b706cb047a280bbb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm calling CQ on ~501.8kHz but getting no responses as yet.... 73s Roger G3XBM -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --000325554766b706cb047a280bbb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm calling CQ on ~501.8kHz but getting no responses as yet....
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--000325554766b706cb047a280bbb-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db02.mx.aol.com (rly-db02.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.77]) by air-db04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB043-aaf4b27a2fd34c; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:55:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB025-aaf4b27a2fd34c; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:53:54 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKYiT-0005ji-Cv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:49:33 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKYiS-0005jZ-6u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:49:32 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKYk7-0004Jd-Vd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:51:18 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBFEpEiM014033 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:51:15 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:51:14 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:51:16 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC7C@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10 / PA design Thread-Index: Acp9kZshlaMyUSMRRv+U1PL4qaQAhgAAUtsw From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.625;15.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.15.144216 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA7D96.0CC88541" Subject: LF: AW: Re: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10 / PA design X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7D96.0CC88541 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Jim! First i want to say that i am glad to meet you here. Do you remember our= QSO in 2004? And mni tnx for your article to the tuning meter (and others= )! I have built it 2003 and it is for me the most useful measuring device= on LF at all! Yes, on 137kHz a half bridge is also a good idea since the losses are quit= e small. But, for a half or full bridge like in these decca transmitters,= one needs an output ferrite core that can handle the whole output power.= I think these are expensive (?), not easy to get and could be driven into= saturation when dimensioned well. In my class e PA I use a single (!) IRF= P360 that costs 1,9 Euro in the moment. This PA can easily handle 1kW with= an efficiency of more than 96%. In the whole PA circuit, no ferrite cores= are used, just two iron powder cores for the output filter. The driver is= one cheap ICL7667, available for 1,1 Euro. All Capacitors are of the type= wima FKP1 (2kV version), costs are belo= w 1 Euro. So, I think a half bridge is more expensive? Best 73 and hope for another QSO!!! =20 Stefan / DK7FC =20 =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von James Moritz Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Dezember 2009 15:15 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: Re: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10 / PA design =20 Dear Stefan, LF Group, =20 A much better choice of circuit topology for QRO transmitters using an=20 off-line rectified mains PSU of about 330V is the half- or full bridge,=20 voltage-mode class D, as used in the "Decca" PAs, and G4JNT's off-line=20 design. Here the peak voltage across each MOSFET is only equal to the DC= =20 supply voltage, so cheap 500V Mosfets designed for off-line SMPSUs are=20 ideal. The class E and push-pull current-mode class D designs are better= for=20 relatively low voltage supplies, say < 40V. =20 The limitation on TX power that can be used at LF with a vertical antenna= is=20 the antenna voltage, roughly Iant * XCant. In my experience, corona=20 breakdown becomes a problem in the 10 - 20kV range with a wire antenna. So= =20 to use high power, and so achieve high antenna current and ERP, you need= =20 high antenna capacitance. Also, the voltage will be increased if the anten= na=20 loss resistance is low. I found that, with an 10m high inverted L antenna= of=20 about 50m of wire in total, I could run 1.2kW reliably, provided care was= =20 taken to eliminate sharp ends, narrow spacings, etc. in the antenna and=20 tuner. This resulted in up to 5A antenna current, and about 17kV on the=20 antenna wire. Even so, I have to increase the antenna height in order to= =20 approach 1W ERP. At 500k, the antenna impedance is much lower, and=20 efficiency also usually higher, so TX power is less of a problem. =20 In my experience, DX contacts using QRSS30 are quite practical, given a=20 large supply of strong coffee! But with longer dot periods, good propagati= on=20 does not last long enough to complete even a minimal QSO. =20 Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7D96.0CC88541 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Jim!

First i want to say that i am glad to meet you here. Do you remember our QSO in= 2004? And mni tnx for your article to the tuning meter (and others)! I have buil= t it 2003 and it is for me the most useful measuring device on LF at all!

Yes, on 137kHz a half bridge is also a good idea since the losses are quite sma= ll. But, for a half or full bridge like in these decca transmitters, one needs an= output ferrite core that can handle the whole output power. I think these are expensive (?), not easy to get and could be driven into saturation when di= mensioned well. In my class e PA I use a single (!) IRFP360 that costs 1,9 Euro in= the moment. This PA can easily handle 1kW with an efficiency of more than 96%.= In the whole PA circuit, no ferrite cores are used, just two iron powder core= s for the output filter. The driver is one cheap ICL7667, available for 1,1 Euro= . All Capacitors are of the type wima= FKP1 (2kV version), costs are below 1 Euro. So, I think a half bridge is more expensive?

Best 73 and hope for another QSO!!!

 

Stefan / DK7FC

 

 

-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von James Moritz
Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Dezember 2009 15:15
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: LF: Re: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10 / PA design

 

Dear Stefan, LF Group,=

 

A much better choice of circuit topo= logy for QRO transmitters using an

off-line rectified mains PSU of abou= t 330V is the half- or full bridge,

voltage-mode class D, as used in the= "Decca" PAs, and G4JNT's off-line

design. Here the peak voltage across= each MOSFET is only equal to the DC

supply voltage, so cheap 500V Mosfet= s designed for off-line SMPSUs are

ideal. The class E and push-pull cur= rent-mode class D designs are better for

relatively low voltage supplies, say= < 40V.

 

The limitation on TX power that can= be used at LF with a vertical antenna is

the antenna voltage, roughly Iant *= XCant. In my experience, corona

breakdown becomes a problem in the= 10 - 20kV range with a wire antenna. So

to use high power, and so achieve hi= gh antenna current and ERP, you need

high antenna capacitance. Also, the= voltage will be increased if the antenna

loss resistance is low. I found that= , with an 10m high inverted L antenna of

about 50m of wire in total, I could= run 1.2kW reliably, provided care was

taken to eliminate sharp ends, narro= w spacings, etc. in the antenna and

tuner. This resulted in up to 5A ant= enna current, and about 17kV on the

antenna wire. Even so, I have to inc= rease the antenna height in order to

approach 1W ERP. At 500k, the antenn= a impedance is much lower, and

efficiency also usually higher, so= TX power is less of a problem.

 

In my experience, DX contacts using= QRSS30 are quite practical, given a

large supply of strong coffee! But= with longer dot periods, good propagation

does not last long enough to complet= e even a minimal QSO.

 

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

 

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7D96.0CC88541-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (rly-dg11.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.95]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG052-6044b38c0692a7; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:28:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG115-6044b38c0692a7; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:27:55 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPGYp-00054M-OQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:27:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPGYp-00054D-Bv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:27:03 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPGYo-0006YF-3v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:27:03 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 139DD51C005 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:26:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB39F31E702 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:26:50 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 71D3118056; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:26:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from 253.7-180-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (253.7-180-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [91.180.7.253]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:26:50 +0100 Message-ID: <20091228152650.rdjdznups0kcs0gw@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:26:50 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <80578.2091.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <5263798E332240C3BC686B3164057D2F@p4> In-Reply-To: <5263798E332240C3BC686B3164057D2F@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 91.180.7.253 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WD2XSH/17 decoded in GM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Mark, you will need WSPR2 to get good decodes of WD2XSH/xx 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Mark : > Hi All, > 3 instances of decodes of WD2XSH on 503.890KHz last night between =20 > 01:00 and 03:00z all with bad message tagged, and no /17 appended > These of course did not upload, sigs were 2 off -28 dB and 1 off -27dB > Several other corrupted calls reported on the same frequency. > > I was using WSPR1.01, now upgraded to WSPR2 r1714. The change log =20 > does not suggest that 1.01 does not handle the suffixes correctly, =20 > but I am hoping that the upgrade will improve things > Interestingly the RX noise level indicator says -30dB all the time, =20 > irrespective of the audio level settings, though it displays and =20 > decodes well enough. > Soundcard setup is non-standard here, RX is softrock, processed by =20 > Speclab (which also provides the grabber see =20 > www.dc2light.co.uk for a link) Audio =20 > Output from Speclab is filtered, frequency shifted and then passed =20 > to the WSPR software. > > Pleased to copy the WD2XSH/17 on the tiny mag loop antenna, which is =20 > aligned roughly E-W and therfore has a null towards the USA > Hopefully future spots will reach the database. > Hope all have a happy and prosperous 2010 > Mark GM4ISM IO85AR > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (rly-dd02.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.149]) by air-dd09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD094-b664b23c88e9f; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 11:45:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD028-b664b23c88e9f; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 11:45:03 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJV4b-0001JM-4T for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:44:01 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJV4a-0001JD-Hs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:44:00 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJV4b-00006P-Rn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:44:04 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 12 Dec 2009 16:43:56 -0000 Received: from p5DC43D5F.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.196.61.95] by mail.gmx.net (mp060) with SMTP; 12 Dec 2009 17:43:56 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+Ee7BAm5WE25HTpfW/VSZGOnHPPnU6bIM8bP9ct6 DkRM3os5bg4SH6 Message-ID: <00b401ca7b4a$4ba0b4a0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC1F@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B23B319.9080005@usa.net> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:43:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.49 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Japanese time&frequency station Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Bona sera,Alberto, I was,about one year ago (7th Oct 2008,19.26UTC). I could receive it on three different receivers,which were a Telefunken E1800, an Icom IC-7800 and the Perseus-SDR (listing according to their order of receiving quality). The antennas were a K9AY and a 2x46m dipole with 42m open wire feeder which actually behaves on this qrg as vertical (feeder goes up 6m vertical, the rest runs horizontal) with a horizontal capacity hat (82m wire), as it is not (yet) tuned or balanced for this low qrg. The "dipole" was a little bit better than the K9AY. CW-ID is sent at h+15m+40s and again at > h+45m+40s, two times each. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alberto di Bene" To: Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 4:13 PM Subject: LF: Japanese time&frequency station > Is there anybody in Europe that was able to receive the Japanese time&frequency standard > station at 40 kHz ? > If yes, could you please give details about the equipments, especially the antenna, used ? > > I am trying since some time, night and day, but no luck so far.... > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.716 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.104/2559 - Ausgabedatum: 12/11/09 20:37:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me01.mx.aol.com (rly-me01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.34]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME032-9984b3293b2125; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 17:03:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME014-9984b3293b2125; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 17:03:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNZHV-0006DS-Kc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:02:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNZHV-0006DJ-9v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:02:09 +0000 Received: from mailout.toya.net.pl ([217.113.224.27] ident=postfix) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNZHT-0008Mh-K3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:02:09 +0000 Received: from mail.toya.net.pl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E7220000075 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 23:02:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (unknown [10.11.152.246]) (Authenticated sender: unimlyn) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A3F7420000065 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 23:02:06 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B32935D.1000006@toya.net.pl> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 23:02:05 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?UGlvdHIgTcWCeW5hcnNraQ==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 137khz X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Christmas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear LF Friends, Merry Christmas to all of You and your Families, 73 de Piotr, sq7mpj qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (rly-dc06.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.35]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC082-b2c4b2791f9dc; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:41:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC068-b2c4b2791f9dc; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:41:14 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKXbU-0004I4-0A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:38:16 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKXbT-0004Hv-Bd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:38:15 +0000 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKXd7-0003iW-Rd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:40:00 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AukLABIgJ0tUDUcY/2dsb2JhbACCKIhzwnWKAYQrBIFi X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,400,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="215019605" Received: from host-84-13-71-24.opaltelecom.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([84.13.71.24]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2009 13:39:51 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01ca7d8c$12e01810$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC77@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:39:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: AW: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA7D8C.129D69C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA7D8C.129D69C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 10 K/watts is a nice starting power to start a fire with a small broom= stick antenna, be daring and go for 20 K/watts for more spectacular re= sults like the Northern Lights G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 12:44 PM Subject: AW: AW: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Mni tnx Rik for your answer! No, you didn't spoil the fun at all ;-) I have some remarks/ideas. The coil losses increase linear with the power but not more than lin= ear. So, 10x the power wouldn't decrease the antenna efficiency (if no= arcing occurs, of course). If we assume an antenna, e.g. in 8m height= with many toploads, then the efficiency will be poor but the capacita= nce will be high and thus the needed L will be small. Therefore we get= a low voltage even with very high power and due to the low efficiency= we will keep the legal limit. So, if one has no possibility to increa= se the antenna height QRO is one choice, especially when the operator= is already in pension and cannot do a qso in qrss10000000000000000000= 000000 any more ;-)=20 It should be possible to run a TX directly of the mains (giving abou= t 330V DC). But for 10kW the PSU current would be 33A, requiring somet= hing like a 60000uF/450V elco, these large HV elco's cost a fortune (a= t QRL we recenty had to replace a 4700uF/450V capacitor, it costed ove= r 200 Euro). And for a Class-D / Class-E amp running of 330V a 900V power FET mig= ht be a bit on the edge for a foolprove TX (but since you are spending= a fortune on elco's you can spend some more money on 1.5kV devices ;-= ) ). Yes, you are right. But i mean i USA, where the voltage is 110V, you= get about 155V and thus the 900V FET would have 6 times more. For a= class e mode PA, 4x the voltage can be reached when SWR is correct(!)= so there would be a goog savety factor. About the Capacitors: You cou= ld reduce the needed C when using a 3 phase system (of the kitchen ove= n ;-) ). Then you would get about 268VDC and therefore a factor 3,35= to the 900V which will be critical for the FETs when SWR is not absol= utely constant 1:1, so better using a IXFH24N100 ;-) Really nice, that conversation! Tnx! 73, Stefan / DK7FC ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA7D8C.129D69C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
10 K/watts is a nice starting power= to start a fire=20 with a small broomstick antenna, be daring and go for 20 K/watts for= more=20 spectacular results like the Northern Lights
G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 15,= 2009 12:44=20 PM
Subject: AW: AW: LF: "Gain"= between qrss3=20 and qrss10?

Mni tnx Rik for=20 your answer!

 

No, you didn=92t=20 spoil the fun at all ;-)

 

I have some=20 remarks/ideas.

The coil losses=20 increase linear with the power but not more than linear. So, 10x the= power=20 wouldn=92t decrease the antenna efficiency (if no arcing occurs, of= course). If=20 we assume an antenna, e.g. in 8m height with many toploads, then the= =20 efficiency will be poor but the capacitance will be high and thus th= e needed L=20 will be small. Therefore we get a low voltage even with very high po= wer and=20 due to the low efficiency we will keep the legal limit. So, if one= has no=20 possibility to increase the antenna height QRO is one choice, especi= ally when=20 the operator is already in pension and cannot do a qso in=20 qrss10000000000000000000000000 any more ;-)

 

 

 

 

Yes, you are right.=20 But i mean i = USA, where the voltage=20 is 110V, you get about 155V and thus the 900V FET would have 6 times= more. For=20 a class e mode PA, 4x the voltage can be reached when SWR is correct= (!) so=20 there would be a goog savety factor. About the Capacitors: You could= reduce=20 the needed C when using a 3 phase system (of the kitchen oven ;-) ).= Then you=20 would get about 268VDC and therefore a factor 3,35 to the 900V which= will be=20 critical for the FETs when SWR is not absolutely constant 1:1, so be= tter using=20 a=20 IXFH24N100  ;-)

 

Really nice, that=20 conversation! Tnx!

 

73, Stefan /=20 DK7FC

 

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA7D8C.129D69C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.75]) by air-da05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA051-85e74b38bfab100; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:24:43 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E452D181E2; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:24:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPGV8-00052I-Pi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:23:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPGV8-000529-4K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:23:14 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPGV6-0006Wg-Ai for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:23:13 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 403517B8047 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:23:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15A84F3862 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:23:00 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 8C43618056; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:22:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from 253.7-180-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (253.7-180-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [91.180.7.253]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:22:59 +0100 Message-ID: <20091228152259.1s7jpzyps0w40o8o@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:22:59 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AD04@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AD04@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 91.180.7.253 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404b4b38bfaa6749 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Stefan, there is a easy way to check if you have too much attenuation or not: Tune the RX to an unused freq (only noise/QRN) and disconnect the =20 antenna; if you can hear the difference between antenna / no antenna =20 then attenuation is not too much. With a 11m high / 25m long lazy-L antenna at a quiet location I could =20 add 40dB attenuation and still hear the noise increasing when =20 connecting the antenna. I guess with a kite-antenna 50 to 60dB might be a good value. Of course it all depends also on the RX used, I use a Kenwood TS440 =20 that seems to be sensitive at LF. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Stefan Sch=E4fer : > Hi Rik es tnx for your answer. > In the first QSOs from /p I used the TX antenna. I quickly saw that =20 > SNR is much better with a 6dB attenuator. In the last activity I =20 > even used 20dB. But the SNR of the small active antenna is =20 > definitely better. Perhaps it is a good idea to try even more =20 > attenuation, tnx, I will try that! > On my QTH at my parents (2003/2004) I also used the TX antenna but =20 > it was much smaller. This antenna was more suitable for RX although =20 > the actual QTH is apart from any house in a region of some 100s =20 > meters... > 73, Stefan > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =20 > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe > Gesendet: Samstag, 26. Dezember 2009 23:29 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: Re: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna > > Hello Stefan, > > why not use the "big" TX antenna also for RX. With a sufficient > atenuator of course. > On 137kHz I alway used my TX antenna for RX, but a 40dB attenuator was > required to avoid overload at the RX. > > 73, Rik ON7YD > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (rly-dc03.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.32]) by air-dc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC011-b144b202d542aa; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:06:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC038-b144b202d542aa; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:05:58 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIVad-00063o-Bn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:04:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIVac-00063f-VS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:04:58 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s27.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.38]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIVac-0006fz-39 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:04:58 +0000 Received: from BLU146-DS6 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s27.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:04:47 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [117.12.234.152] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 23:04:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2009 23:04:47.0672 (UTC) FILETIME=[010A5B80:01CA7924] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 147.3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D9_01CA7924.00A000F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00D9_01CA7924.00A000F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DDH47 now on CW abt 15 wpm 549 From: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:52 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: DDH47 147.3 In pre test viewing from the DDH47 signal is good and decoding weathe= r at 50 baud 23Hz Shift "reverse" on the DigitalMaster 780 portion of= Ham radio delux. 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------=_NextPart_000_00D9_01CA7924.00A000F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da04.mx.aol.com (rly-da04.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.78]) by air-da01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA014-a674b28f8c3102; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:12:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA047-a674b28f8c3102; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:12:06 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKvUX-0005Lb-E9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:08:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKvUW-0005LS-Sh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:08:40 +0000 Received: from [130.83.156.232] (helo=lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKvWP-0005Rx-Bg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:10:39 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBGFAwhh012727 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:10:58 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:10:58 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:11:00 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB0@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <88FB4290CF234F66933047AD790B3719@JimPC> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10 / PA design Thread-Index: Acp+VTLTYyAIoSUITii030LHU+fnswAB8jwg From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.626;16.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.16.150039 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: LF: AW: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10 / PA design X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear Jim, LF,=20 Thank you for these explanatory notes. And i have nothing to disagree ;-) Yes, with a B2 recifier, the "minus-pole"/ground have a potential to earth= and so an isolating transformer is needed. And to make output power adjus= table in steps, there is a need for an output transformer since the DC vol= tage is constant and the load also.=20 One way to economise the output transformer would be to use a M3 rectifier= (3 phase system with one diode for each phase) but that's really not the= best choice since the voltage gets even 1,73x higher and hence the output= power 3x.=20 What about coupling capacitors, e.g. 1=B5F, to decouple the mains from the= coax screen (that should be earthed then without ground fault circuit int= errupter)? Then, the RF could be permitted to the antenna without making= a short circuit of the mains. Well, of course, this is just a theoretical= consideration, but a possibility when output power doesn't need to be adj= usted. And, if one really wants to built a 10kW PA I am not sure if a TV= line transformer would be suited. If we stay on the ground (I mean, norma= l power ranges), surely a class D or E is very suited for our amps. From= my sight, Class D is more complex in the topology and class E relatively= difficult to adjust since Ls and Cs have to be dimensionated very well.= So both sides have their pros and cons. Jim, which kind is your PA? I have the described 1kW Class E PA (80V DC)= and a 40W/120W class E PA for 12V DC. Since I have built a switching powe= r supply with adjustable output (12V input range(for /p operation and/or= solar supply at home)) I can adjust to any power within the limit... And are you still regular qrv in qrss/dfcw3? Are you qrv in CW? I would be= glad to do a longer qso again :-) 73s es gl de Stefan/DK7FC PS: Still searching for CW QRQ partners ;-) -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von James Moritz Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. Dezember 2009 14:31 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10 / PA design Dear Stefan, LF Group, DK7FC wrote: ...> Yes, on 137kHz a half bridge is also a good idea since the losses are= =20 quite small. But, for a half or full bridge like in these decca=20 transmitters, one needs an output ferrite core that can handle the whole= =20 output power. I think these are expensive (?), not easy to get and could= be=20 driven into saturation when dimensioned well....> I have used ETD49-size SMPSU cores successfully for transformers at 136k= at=20 the 1kW level. These are readily available from big component distributors= =20 in this country such as RS Components and Farnell - the set of core halves= ,=20 bobbin and clips costs about 5 - 10 GB Pounds. I suppose you should add so= me=20 more for wire and insulation, but this is a lot cheaper than a suitably=20 rated 50Hz transformer! In my experience, temperature rise due to hysteres= is=20 and other losses limits the power capability at these relatively high=20 frequencies, core saturation is not the limiting factor. In the overall cost of a QRO TX, the most expensive part is usually the DC= =20 power supply. So, if you are trying to achieve a low-cost TX design, and= you=20 already have a high power DC supply, it is sensible to design the TX to ma= ke=20 optimum use that supply. If you don't already have a PSU, economy is the= big=20 advantage of a 330V DC off-line rectified supply. The TX output power is= a=20 function of the DC supply V, the load resistance, and the circuit topology= =20 used. The DC supply is fixed by the mains voltage if we use a direct=20 rectified supply. If, for further economy, we try to design an output stag= e=20 with no output transformer, or other impedance matching, then the load=20 impedance is also fixed. So the power output is then fixed for a particula= r=20 circuit configuration. For a push-pull or full-bridge design we really nee= d=20 an output transformer to drive a single-ended load, but this leaves the=20 Class D half-bridge and Class E configurations, which are single-ended. Using the text-book formulae for Pout of an ideal circuit with 330V DC=20 input and 50R load gives about 1.2kW for an "optimum" Class E, and 440W fo= r=20 the half-bridge Class D. The class E circuit is perhaps simpler, at least= on=20 paper, and has attractive output power, but further calculations show that= a=20 switching device handling peak voltage 1200V and peak current about 10.5A= is=20 required, which would be a problem. We could re-design the class D stage= to=20 produce 1.2kW by reducing the load impedance to 18.4ohm, which could be=20 achieved using an LC matching network, if transformers must be avoided. Th= en=20 the peak current and voltage in the two switching devices would be 330V ,= =20 11.4A, which is a relatively easy requirement. So for this kind of power= =20 level, and off-line DC supply, the class D design is probably more practic= al=20 . With current switching transistor technology, the 1200V peak voltage is= =20 the problem for any class E off-line design; but in the future it might no= t=20 be, since there seems to be a lot of interest in developing high speed, hi= gh=20 voltage switches based on GaN, SiC semiconductors at the moment. But, in the off-line TX, another important reason to have an output=20 transformer is to isolate the output RF ground and antenna system from the= =20 mains supply, partly for safety - but with a full-wave rectifier, the "0V"= =20 DC terminal, and so the RF ground of the output stage, is not at ground=20 potential anyway. The same also applies to the gate drive input side. So,= if=20 you don't have a suitable DC PSU, an off-line directly rectified supply is= =20 attractive, but it will probably need RF transformers! In any case, an=20 output transformer does give a lot more flexibility in the design. 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------=_NextPart_000_0024_01CA75CF.3FDCB770-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc12.mx.aol.com (rly-mc12.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.96]) by air-mc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC081-dab4b31f519175; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:46:55 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC123-dab4b31f519175; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:46:51 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNOif-0003zv-Mn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:45:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNOif-0003zm-C4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:45:29 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNOid-0004aN-H1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:45:29 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4049F4C8160 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 11:45:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 555DF4C814E for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 11:45:21 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B31F4C1.5020904@online.fr> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 11:45:21 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <035375487725449FBCB051DF5928E886@ns94d01ae4d850> <4B31DA34.1050805@online.fr> <57a24ca70912230204p2cc823f7q9985346ab292ba36@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70912230204p2cc823f7q9985346ab292ba36@mail.gmail.com> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: LF T/A [137kHz] XGJ last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Re! Warren Ziegler a =E9crit : > Hi Jean-Pierre, > > WD2XGJ began transmission quite late, after 04:00 UTC. > =20 The first hour , the signal was with not very visible , after ( 05:00 > 08:00 ) very good signal in spite of the low power! > Please do not compare the propagation as WD2XGJ is using the low power > (220 Watts output) transmitter last night and for the next few days - > this is approximately 9dB below the usual power! > > Joyeux No=EBl ! > =20 Also to you ! J-P f1afj From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (rly-mc03.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.87]) by air-mc06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC064-d644b20c4aa1b3; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:51:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC034-d644b20c4aa1b3; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:51:39 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIffR-0000nn-Px for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:50:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIffR-0000ne-Es for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:50:37 +0000 Received: from thsmsgxrt12p.thalesgroup.com ([192.54.144.135]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIffQ-0001aH-RH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:50:37 +0000 Received: from thsmsgirt26p.corp.thales (unknown [10.33.231.4]) by thsmsgxrt12p.thalesgroup.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E067F41D316 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:50:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from thsmsgiav11p.corp.thales (10.33.231.31) by thsmsgirt26p.corp.thales (8.5.103) id 4B0E9923001DA590 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:50:30 +0100 Received: from (unknown [10.33.231.2]) by thsmsgiav11p.corp.thales with smtp id 31cd_973c_7404c1ac_e571_11de_8e65_001143d32df6; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:50:30 +0100 Received: from nodalthc.clb.tcfr.thales (unknown [10.33.8.65]) by thsmsgirt12p.corp.thales (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1217391BCB for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:50:30 +0100 (CET) Received: by nodalthc.clb.tcfr.thales with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:50:30 +0100 Message-ID: From: Jean-Louis.RAULT@fr.thalesgroup.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:50:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: FW: LF: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Andy I would say "LF is considered to be one of the last bastions" ... For example, amateur laser communications have also something to do with real homebrew and experimentation :o) Jean-Louis F6AGR ________________________________ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 8:18 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: TX-2200A LF was alwatys considered to be the last bastion of real homebrew and experiimentation. Rant over. Andy From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma05.mx.aol.com (rly-ma05.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.49]) by air-ma01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA012-8a94b1c5ea7ea; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:47:34 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA053-8a94b1c5ea7ea; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:47:21 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHSfm-00074R-6d for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 01:45:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHSfl-00074I-Bc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 01:45:57 +0000 Received: from mcgi35.rambler.ru ([81.19.67.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHSfk-0001Em-Di for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 01:45:57 +0000 Received: from mcgi35.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mcgi35.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B55F1703D for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 04:45:52 +0300 (MSK) Received: from [81.195.14.89] by mcgi35.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Mon, 07 Dec 2009 04:45:51 +0300 From: Roman RW3ADB To: Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 04:45:51 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <1457510504@web.de> Message-Id: <449907310.1260150351.159619436.9931@mcgi35.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (untone), http://mail.rambler.ru X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 in QRSS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Horst, LF! Remember about your info and look=20 http://www.doese-apprt.de/pfbday/nobel.html today again. I can see that info: >>From 9th December 2009 23:00 until 10th December 2009 01:00 UTC the=20 transmitter is available for 2 hours in telegraphy. It will be possible more exact about that? It will be from 9 to 10 or from 10 to 11? What is true? * Horst St=C3=B6cker [Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:52:11=20 +0100]: > Hello, > > despite some of you might have heard about the following news, I was > very surprised and I am looking forward to this event: > > DDH47 147.3 khz in QRSS 3 > > In Honor of Nobelprize Winner Marconi and Prof. Ferdinand Braun a > special transmission will be Date: > > 10. Dec 2009 Time: Start 2300 UTC > > Frequ. 147,3 kc Mode: > > QRSS 3 > > PWR: 20 kW > > The weather forcast transmitter Pinneberg DDH47 will stop RTTY ( 50=20 Bd) > transmission in between 10. Dec 2300h UTC and 11. Dec 001 UTC In this > timegap, the TX will be used for a special event transmission. Short > words in QRRS 3 will be transmitted. After the transmission You may > confirm the receiving at a shortwave frequency or via Internet ( QRG=20 and > adress will be given later) You may check propagation every day /=20 night > at 147,3 Kc DDH47, because the TX is working 24 Hours > > vy73 Horst DO1KHS > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Neu: WEB.DE DSL bis 50.000 kBit/s und 200,- Euro Startguthaben! > http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ > > -- Roman RW3ADB. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd10.mx.aol.com (rly-dd10.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.157]) by air-dd03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD032-ba14b20c67b375; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:59:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD103-ba14b20c67b375; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:59:24 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIfmR-0000uV-4M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:57:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIfmQ-0000uM-8v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:57:50 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate05.web.de ([217.72.192.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIfmO-0001eL-KM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:57:50 +0000 Received: from web.de by fmmailgate05.web.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 10A275CE4C9C for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:57:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from [217.125.84.109] by freemailng6505.web.de with HTTP; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:57:39 +0100 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:57:39 +0100 Message-Id: <990131732@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: di2am@web.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-Provags-Id: V01U2FsdGVkX19ehQQDHyDtKs45YMMeRx9I+C3V5PXfC7D+bYj1N7P02PEys aKNzCGtuBGjXDLTNFWetp3lLtNk/wD5QTzkD9cyZEddiMtVz2A= X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 147.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Goog morning, armchair copy here in IL27FS (southern tip of Gran Canaria) by Perseus / hb active antenna and netbook. Even man made noise in holiday ressort could not affect reception by ears. 73 Joerg, DL3NRV (who used to be a longtime customer of ddh47 in the north atlantic waters in a "former life") From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD104-91a4b224d6812a; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:47:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD082-91a4b224d6812a; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:47:22 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ5pK-0007WD-LF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:46:34 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ5pK-0007W2-5K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:46:34 +0000 Received: from pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.83]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ5pI-0000Cm-1i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:46:34 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (81.235.167.68) by pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (7.3.140.3) (authenticated as u33233109) id 4A7285AE00F003E2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:46:26 +0100 Message-ID: <4B224D31.5070109@telia.com> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:46:25 +0100 From: "Johan H. Bodin" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC15@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC15@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: AW: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Stefan, yes, I meant the BW of each Argo pixel. Unless there is QRM strong enough to cause overload, or intermodulation in badly designed audio circuits, there is no need to use a narrow filter in the radio. Argo works equally well with a 2..3kHz wide SSB setting on the radio. For example, if Argo is set to QRSS3, the resolution bandwidth (actually the effective receiver BW) is about 0.3Hz (!), no matter which filter you have selected in the radio. Argo in QRSS3 mode can be thought of as 256 parallel CW receivers operating simultaneously, each receiver having a 0.3Hz CW filter and the tuning difference is 0.3Hz btween adjacent receivers :-) 73 Johan SM6LKM Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > Thanks Johan for the qualified answer! > With the receiver bandwidth, do you mean the bandwidth of e.g. the argo= programm or of the real receiver, say the ic706? > I use a K2 with a bandwidth of 50Hz (not very sharp edges), which is rel= atively norrow compared to the most standard CW filters in standard HF-TRX= s. Since I can=B4t reduce it even more and the others as well, it would be= no advantage to reduce the speed. So I think you mean the bandwidth of e.= g. argo? Right? > Tnx!=20 > Stefan/DK7FC =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg06.mx.aol.com (rly-dg06.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.90]) by air-dg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG024-5ce4b19088012a; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 08:03:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG061-5ce4b19088012a; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 08:02:57 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGXnO-0006kX-FF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:02:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGXnN-0006kO-Us for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:02:01 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGXnM-0004GW-GY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:02:01 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nB4D1vRl002148 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:01:57 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:01:59 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:01:58 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB3E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <20091204082113.A275F31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: AW: [Fwd: Extra transmission with SAQ Dec 10 2009] Thread-Index: Acp0u1rPAGcNDuTGSSu7cfOACu+G0AAJXlNQ From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.604;03.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.4.124818 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA74E1.F6B7EA53" Subject: AW: LF: AW: [Fwd: Extra transmission with SAQ Dec 10 2009] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA74E1.F6B7EA53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rik! =20 Glad to meet you here. Congrats to your websites! I've often taken a benef= it from it!! =20 I don't know abt "von". (Is that question meant true? :-) ). It's not soo= important but the "brown" instead of "braun" seemed strange for me ;-) =20 Hpe to cu on the band! Are you still active on 137? I have never seen you= there... =20 73, Stefan/DK7FC =20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------- Dipl.-Ing. Stefan Sch=E4fer FG Hochspannungstechnik / High Voltage Laboratories TU Darmstadt Landgraf-Georg-Str. 4 D-64283 Darmstadt, Germany Telefon: +49 6151 16 4495 Fax: +49 6151 16 2329 http://www.hst.tu-darmstadt.de =20 =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Dezember 2009 09:21 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: AW: [Fwd: Extra transmission with SAQ Dec 10 2009] =20 Stefan, isn't the correct name Karl Ferdinand von Braun ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 08:45 4/12/2009, you wrote: I'm sorry but I didn't do the spelling - I simply forwarded the message=20 I got from SAQ. 73 Johan SM6LKM Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > The german physicist is called Karl Ferdinand Braun=20 > ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Ferdinand_Braun )! >> The reason for the extra transmission is a centenary commemoration of= =20 >> the Nobel Prize given to Guglielmo Marconi and Karl Ferdinand Brown. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA74E1.F6B7EA53 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Rik!=

 <= /p>

Glad to= meet you here. Congrats to your websites! I’ve often taken a benefit from it!!=

 

I don= 217;t know abt „von“. (Is that question meant true? J ). It’s not soo important but the “brown” instead of “braun” seeme= d strange for me ;-)

 

Hpe to= cu on the band! Are you still active on 137? I have never seen you there…

 

73, Stef= an/DK7FC

 

 

 -------------------------------------------------------------= ---------------------
= Dipl.-Ing. Stefan Sch=E4fer

FG Hochspannungstechnik / High Voltage Labor= atories
TU Darmstadt
Landgraf-Georg-Str.= 4
D-64283 Darmstadt, Ge= rmany
Telefon: +49 6151 16= 4495

Fax: +49 6151 16 2329

http://www.hst.tu-darmstadt.de

 <= /p>

-----Urspr=FCngl= iche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org] Im Auftrag von Rik St= robbe
Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Dezem= ber 2009 09:21
An: rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org
Betreff: Re: LF: AW: [Fwd:= Extra transmission with SAQ Dec 10 2009]

 

Stefan,

isn't the correct name Karl Ferdinand von Braun ?

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 08:45 4/12/2009, you wrote:

I'm sorry but I didn't= do the spelling - I simply forwarded the message
I got from SAQ.
73 Johan SM6LKM

Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote:
> The german physicist is called Karl Ferdinand Braun
> ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Ferdinand_Braun )!

>> The reason for the extra transmission is a centenary commemoratio= n of
>> the Nobel Prize given to Guglielmo Marconi and Karl Ferdinand Bro= wn.

------_=_NextPart_001_01CA74E1.F6B7EA53-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df02.mx.aol.com (rly-df02.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.15]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF042-52f4b20b2fb114; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 03:36:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF022-52f4b20b2fb114; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 03:36:12 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIeUS-0000TN-Jn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:35:12 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIeUR-0000TE-DM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:35:11 +0000 Received: from msa-k1.u-netsurf.ne.jp ([202.233.11.14]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp>) id 1NIeUO-0006em-0x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:35:11 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.5] (d25.HkanagawaFL59.vectant.ne.jp [122.103.154.25]) by msa-k1.u-netsurf.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E917334BDE for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:35:04 +0900 (JST) From: Rick Wakatori <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4B207E60.5030104@telus.net> References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <4B207E60.5030104@telus.net> Organization: RLL Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:35:04 +0900 Message-Id: <1260434104.6353.26.camel@vaio3rd> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Warren and Scott; In addition to the advertisement in http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf; There is 1Hz frequency dial option in Japanese market model. The option price is about USD 80 in factory installation base. The standard TX2200A can not be used with 10Hz dial in QRSS. I have try to use TX2200A with 1Hz option for the trans Bohai bay between Chaina and Japan these days. I think about 50 units were sold, but not used yet for trans pacific so far. I beleave that the early experiments were done by all homebrew equipments in JP. 73 -- -.. . --... .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-. 7L1RLL under ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP) URL=http://www1.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html -..--- -.- .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-... ...-. On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 04:51 +0000, Scott Tilley wrote: > I think this is the rig used by some of the early JAs that tried the > trans pacific path this fall. Saw something like it on a JA website. > > 73 Scott > > > Warren Ziegler wrote: > > Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 > > Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver > > muting. > > Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! > > > > http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf > > > > > > > > 73 Warren K2ORS > > WD2XGJ > > WD2XSH/23 > > WE2XEB/2 > > WE2XGR/1 > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.18]) by air-di01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI011-eab64b3722c4347; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 04:03:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9ACB9380000EF; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 04:02:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOp0K-0001Nv-2R for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 09:01:36 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOp0J-0001Nm-4A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 09:01:35 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOp0G-0005kd-Ty for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 09:01:35 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 27 Dec 2009 09:01:25 -0000 Received: from p5DD35F1A.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.211.95.26] by mail.gmx.net (mp023) with SMTP; 27 Dec 2009 10:01:25 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+STSghSKWSnc4lvBWLwAs254D5hXfxvsrjkCXsNF 4/0pwRPEx5I00y Message-ID: <007601ca86d3$2b3670d0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <20091226.144128.11516.4.cw4ever4@juno.com> Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:01:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.48,0.47 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beacon & WSPR 2.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0072_01CA86DB.87C03180" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60124b3722c30a62 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01CA86DB.87C03180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hallo Werner, genau die zitierte Passage aus dem untenstehen Txt traf bei mir ein paar Mal auch zu. >It takes two, 2 minute transmissions to send >the full call, grid, and power. You may see decodes that look like > <...> followed by the grid and/or power. WSPR has not decoded the call >yet but only the second part of the complete message. With a marginal >signal and fades, this may be all you will get. I don't know how long it >stores the second half (or the first half) of the message to splice it 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert H Reif To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 8:41 PM Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beacon & WSPR 2.0 Hello, Graham, Rik, and All, Joe K1JT was kind enough to modify the WSPR program to accommodate our long calls with the /. It takes two, 2 minute transmissions to send the full call, grid, and power. You may see decodes that look like <...> followed by the grid and/or power. WSPR has not decoded the call yet but only the second part of the complete message. With a marginal signal and fades, this may be all you will get. I don't know how long it stores the second half (or the first half) of the message to splice it together. Joe also added the CW ID feature to version 2.0 which is required by our experimental license. He has been very supportive of our 600 meter efforts. The set up here is 100 watts to a wire, 35 ft inverted L with two top loading wires each about 100 ft long. I am really surprised (and pleased) to get across with this setup. I am inland from the coast and the path to Eu is over land till the path goes over salt water off the coast of New Brunswick, Canada. Want to raise the antenna a bit more and increase the top loading but that may not happen till spring now. 73 and Happy New Year. Bob WD2XSH/37 FN42fo On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:34:15 +0100 Rik Strobbe writes: > Graham, Rick, Bob, > > I guess that when the CW id of a WSPR station is audible there > should > be solid copy in WSPR. > But, as mentioned by Bob, WSPR 2.0 was used to transmit the unusual > > WD2XSH/37 callsign. I noticed that older version of WSPR do not copy > > this properly, even when the signal is strong. > I have been running WSPR2 and WSPR1.1 simultaniously for some days > > (the first spotting as ON7YD the other as OR7T) and noticed that > WD2XSH/37 produced all kinds of odd messages with WSPR1.1. WSPR2 > decodes OK. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting Graham : > > > Rick, > > > > Looks like wd2x .. was the station .. you can check what > stations are > > operating at : http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/spots > > > > 2009-12-24 03:38 WD2XSH/37 0.503912 -26 0 FN42fo 2 > ON7YD > > JO20ix 5615 52 > > > > G.. > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Rick Wakatori" <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> > > Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 10:39 AM > > To: > > Subject: LF: "WA" beacon received at 503kHz. > > > >> > >> Using WSPR, I heard "WA" beacon in CW or QRSS at around 503kHz. > >> The signal was visible on the screen during last night. > >> Please let me know the callsign and the QTH? > >> Rick > >> -- > >> -.. . --... .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-. > >> 7L1RLL under ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP) > >> URL=http://www1.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html > >> -..--- -.- .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-... ...-. > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=yi9iW2lTPi_FlJuAPbZNdQAAJ1D5rfaR-77IPsUFbn2LcZ2XAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. 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Hallo Werner,
 
genau die zitierte Passage aus dem un= tenstehen Txt=20 traf bei mir
ein paar  Mal auch zu.
 
 >It takes two, 2 minute transmissions to send
>the= full=20 call, grid, and power.  You may see decodes  that look=20 like
>  <...> followed by the grid and/or power. = ; WSPR has=20 not decoded the call
>yet but only the second part of the comple= te=20 message. With a marginal
>signal and fades, this may be all you= will=20 get.  I don't know how long it
>stores the second half (or= the first=20 half) of the message to splice it
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rober= t H Reif=20
Sent: Saturday, December 26,= 2009 8:41=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beacon= & WSPR=20 2.0

Hello, Graham, Rik, and=20 All,
       Joe K1JT was kind enoug= h to=20 modify the WSPR program to accommodate
our long calls with the /.=   It=20 takes two, 2 minute transmissions to send
the full call, grid, an= d=20 power.  You may see decodes  that look like
<...>= followed=20 by the grid and/or power.  WSPR has not decoded the call
yet= but only=20 the second part of the complete message. With a marginal
signal= and fades,=20 this may be all you will get.  I don't know how long it
stor= es the=20 second half (or the first half) of the message to splice it
toget= her. =20 Joe also added the  CW ID feature to version 2.0 which is
re= quired by=20 our experimental license.  He has been very supportive of our600=20 meter efforts. 
     The set up here is= 100 watts=20 to a  wire, 35 ft inverted L with two
top loading wires each= about 100=20 ft  long.  I am really surprised (and
pleased) to get= across with=20 this setup.  I am inland from the coast and
the path to Eu= is over=20 land till the path goes over salt water off the
coast of New Brun= swick,=20 Canada.  Want to raise the antenna a bit more and
increase= the top=20 loading but that may not happen till spring now. =20
     73 and Happy New Year.  Bob = =20 WD2XSH/37  FN42fo



On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:34:15= +0100 Rik=20 Strobbe
<Ri= k.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>=20 writes:
> Graham, Rick, Bob,
>
> I guess that whe= n the CW=20 id of a WSPR station is audible there
> should 
>= be solid=20 copy in WSPR.
> But, as mentioned by Bob, WSPR 2.0 was used to= transmit=20 the unusual 
>
> WD2XSH/37 callsign. I noticed th= at older=20 version of WSPR do not copy
> 
> this properly,= even when=20 the signal is strong.
> I have been running WSPR2 and WSPR1.1= =20 simultaniously for some days 
>
> (the first spot= ting as=20 ON7YD the other as OR7T) and noticed that 
> WD2XSH/37= produced=20 all kinds of odd messages with WSPR1.1. WSPR2 
> decodes= =20 OK.
>
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>
> Quo= ting=20 Graham <g8fzk@g8fz= k.fsnet.co.uk>:
>=20
> > Rick,
> >
> > Looks like  wd2x= =20 ..   was the  station .. you  can  check wh= at=20
> stations are
> > operating at :  http://wsprnet.org/drupal= /wsprnet/spots
>=20 >
> > 2009-12-24 03:38   WD2XSH/37  = =20 0.503912   -26   0   FN42fo  = ;=20 2  
> ON7YD
> > JO20ix   5615&nb= sp; =20 52
> >
> > G..
> >
> >=20 --------------------------------------------------
> > From= : "Rick=20 Wakatori" <7l1rl= l@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp>
>=20 > Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 10:39 AM
> > To: <= ;rsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep.org>
>=20 > Subject: LF: "WA" beacon received at 503kHz.
> >
&g= t;=20 >>
> >> Using WSPR, I heard "WA" beacon in CW or= QRSS at=20 around 503kHz.
> >> The signal was visible on the screen= during=20 last night.
> >> Please let me know the callsign and the= =20 QTH?
> >> Rick
> >> --
> >> -..= . =20 --...  .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-.
> >> 7L1RLL= under=20 ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP)
> >>=20 URL=3Dhttp://www1.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html
> >>= ; -..--- -.-=20 .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-... ...-.
> >>
> >>= ;
>=20 >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>=
>=20
>
>
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------=_NextPart_000_0072_01CA86DB.87C03180-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.215]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB072-86214b3689f5ee; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:11:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1C126380000B6; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:11:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOepX-0007aH-Oa for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 22:09:47 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOepX-0007a8-93 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 22:09:47 +0000 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOepV-00009e-5H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 22:09:47 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiIWANIXNktOkWQC/2dsb2JhbACCH4YuAYs7wSOEMwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,457,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="383903091" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.145.100.2]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 26 Dec 2009 22:09:22 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 22:09:21 -0000 Message-ID: <000801ca8678$1413f450$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <007b01ca8670$45893700$0217aac0@desktop> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: RE: G7NKS running WSPR on 137.65 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA8678.1413F450" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d74b3689f446f6 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA8678.1413F450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Wspr 137 now qrt and back on 500 Nothing seen. Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.119/2586 - Release Date: 12/25/09 09:33:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA8678.1413F450 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>Wspr 137 now qrt and back on 500=

 

Nothing seen.

 

Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng

No virus found in this incoming messa= ge.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.119/2586 - Release Date: 12/= 25/09 09:33:00

------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA8678.1413F450-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (rly-mb03.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.161]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB054-cf84b2d4b19134; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:52:43 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB034-cf84b2d4b19134; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:52:27 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NM78q-0003d7-TU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:47:12 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NM78q-0003cy-Hv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:47:12 +0000 Received: from warsl404pip5.highway.telekom.at ([195.3.96.77] helo=email.aon.at) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NM7Cx-0006vk-Uq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:51:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 7609 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2009 21:51:19 -0000 Received: from 188-23-64-100.adsl.highway.telekom.at (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([188.23.64.100]) (envelope-sender ) by smarthub98.highway.telekom.at (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 19 Dec 2009 21:51:19 -0000 From: Gerhard Hickl To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:51:19 +0100 Message-ID: <1261259479.2447.5.camel@gerhard-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Beaconing Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello group! I'm going to transmit a beacon for several hours this night. Text is "H" on 136.318, speed is QRSS90. Ossi, OE5ODL is transmitting his "5" a few cps above. We both use roughly 50W antenna input. The purpose is to compare the antennas as well as the propagation conditions for two stations located relatively close, especially regarding QSB. Reports are very welcome. Cheers and 73 OE3GHB Gerhard From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db08.mx.aol.com (rly-db08.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.83]) by air-db03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB032-ae14b28005cce; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:32:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB087-ae14b28005cce; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:32:14 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKexJ-00029E-Vi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:29:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKexJ-000295-JA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:29:17 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKeyr-0008WV-Dh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:30:54 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.2]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091215213107.VPIM27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:31:07 +0000 Received: from [82.26.120.108] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKez4-0007VH-Ke for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:31:07 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:31:02 -0000 Message-ID: <04ca01ca7dcd$e71410a0$0417aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: Acp9zeayNskmqfUrRk6Bua0bP04LGg== X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=17Ai-lzK2S0A:10 a=8RloEfZUAAAA:8 a=BUo__w9vSXB2XSb1644A:9 a=X8ZMcagTHzdlDBlahqEA:7 a=uBuW34I5NbXIjvrFG_dwLxs8LhAA:4 a=O58u2wXj750A:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=pt9W6ojbTBExa7VuFHYA:9 a=WGI23qs6zF2YiUeL3VoA:7 a=PMd_2L3mZSbRg4IR1_hmvqTHaQwA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: G7NKS running RTTY beacon on 501.5 until midnight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_04CB_01CA7DCD.E71410A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_04CB_01CA7DCD.E71410A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear LF, I am running a RTTY beacon on 501.5KHz on 10 min cycles from now until at least midnight Thanks for any reports Jim G7NKS p.s. Gus' CW beacon is 579 with me in IO92UB tonight, lovely sigs E james.cowburn@virgin.net ------=_NextPart_000_04CB_01CA7DCD.E71410A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear LF,

 

I am running a RTTY beacon on 501.5KHz= on 10 min cycles from now until at least midnight

 

Thanks for any reports

 

Jim G7NKS

 

p.s. Gus’ CW beacon is 579 with= me in IO92UB tonight, lovely sigs

 

E james.cowburn@virgin.net

 

 

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Hi Warren,LF
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(rly-ma07.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.51]) by air-ma07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA073-8be4b23efa8280; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:31:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA078-8be4b23efa8280; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:31:54 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJXfy-000341-RK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:30:46 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJXfy-00033s-F8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:30:46 +0000 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJXg3-0001LU-OS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:30:54 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq8EAMt9I0tZ8eex/2dsb2JhbACOCwbFXIQrBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,388,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="185841057" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.241.231.177]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2009 19:30:46 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01ca7b61$96bd6840$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:30:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 137.7 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7B61.967A92E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7B61.967A92E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HB9ASB and OE3GHB going strong on 137.7 kcs at present. I have worked both before therefore I am not calling. Looking out for= DX MAL/G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7B61.967A92E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
HB9ASB and OE3GHB  going st= rong on 137.7=20 kcs at present.
I have worked both before therefore= I am not=20 calling. Looking out for DX
MAL/G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7B61.967A92E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.73]) by air-di05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI054-eac94b25459d38b; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:50:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AFDF138000054; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:50:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJuRf-0008NV-9m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:49:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJuRe-0008NL-TK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:49:30 +0000 Received: from mailout08.t-online.de ([194.25.134.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJuSC-000681-V7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:50:07 +0000 Received: from fwd05.aul.t-online.de by mailout08.t-online.de with smtp id 1NJuDd-0000bW-01; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:35:01 +0100 Received: from e7010 (Sg1shkZQ8hQBsGP24klQWGC6gOu-wpfBQ6ws2ztKJQ2NfkYgPHX-D0bX1QYffVEw39@[84.147.189.25]) by fwd05.aul.t-online.de with smtp id 1NJuDQ-21E7to0; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:34:48 +0100 Message-ID: <004301ca7c2b$548746b0$6402a8c0@e7010> From: "Walter und Marianne Staubach" To: References: <981195.94143.qm@web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:34:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-ID: Sg1shkZQ8hQBsGP24klQWGC6gOu-wpfBQ6ws2ztKJQ2NfkYgPHX-D0bX1QYffVEw39 X-TOI-MSGID: 12cfccbc-3806-4a5e-8eff-1a86801f1419 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG QRO QRSS3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40494b25459c00d4 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Andy, yes, it is still 505.090KHz. 73 Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy - KU4XR" To: Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 8:30 PM Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG QRO QRSS3 Walter: Is your frequency still 505.090 KHz ?? Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29866 KHz ( QRSS-60 ) Coordinates: N: 35* 43' 54" - W: 84* 3' 16" http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr http://webpages.charter.net/ku4xr/ --- On Sun, 12/13/09, Walter und Marianne Staubach wrote: > From: Walter und Marianne Staubach > Subject: LF: DI2AG QRO QRSS3 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 12:39 PM > > > > > > > > Dear MF, > DI2AG is > > now transmitting in QRSS3 with more power - 2W ERP > instead of 0.4W ERP. > Please your reports via wum.staubach@t-online.de > or dj2lf@darc.de > > The machine will run until > tomorrow 7UTC - if she > does the job. > Thanks and 73 > Walter DI2AG / > DJ2LF > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db10.mx.aol.com (rly-db10.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.85]) by air-db08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB082-af24b1d9b9630e; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 19:19:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB108-af24b1d9b9630e; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 19:19:36 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHnmT-0004Da-K2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 00:18:17 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHnmT-0004DR-3m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 00:18:17 +0000 Received: from web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.130]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHnmR-0003EB-0d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 00:18:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 98726 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Dec 2009 00:18:09 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1260231489; bh=ULtw6DdDg4vY7M00JMEkyISKF7oPPYH6p7FsMp/SsU8=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=AYHXCMie23UPt0vToQBntsIk/qmJijx3y5SnBaGKVRcDKF95lu88f1pmgCfj8eiNNwwzlKdMYx/ZwtQPwc8d0UmH/T27AuU0Cxu0rwwPPOfgauFulQ8qw7fwR3JSjhriAOGAgWNwoIt8jX4rHN2it55tSxccPNsR/sRv2k9vd5E= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=q8J/LtB73/ARg1FFxpMg9OxUd3oY1HH7mg7FYYI2hvhiVgDABA9bWilFaGpdwOiM53Tt5MSsYQyS+Ki5EZkR54uZxiWOVrS9dlbrtNnX3wANOvvA36mkyGBlWzoYTnFO5plX7CR2VSwXoWOWUdLzm8f0HqqOtgga6iIwNFM6eO8=; Message-ID: <702134.97980.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: .zkhFVAVM1nWNWQKwgiiDh3NKVlBK2jmNWKo0y.lbUtu468zbuG1BxioEC6uq0chYk.DDohcHOgj8ttbu7AcccRcOWyhzHo4QQHzomdg8GwFotDrfc5Bl31iL1Mi.CxmZQ1A_QHCQybIiwT26zrx1YD5xDV2H1NGYhRBWiUuCAZ_zIjCfNLoMeVi_CgWxgOaj92G3hY9roPQ6KZLbZCmtB_OuBqWy7MD_5hufNQHIe6k3abIsibQmJt.ofOYTVkaBY6ZDbcw0SUF4ZefTk7woX_vHP8iNYZ.wZksl5G9nz85lcMe6q08C9xnljsXfEba6sMrlbIkRdspZzQpwfxZK7bMFquNuN9mvrs- Received: from [81.131.7.186] by web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 00:18:09 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 00:18:09 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Broadcast audio splatter on 136kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d299.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass Hi Jacek, do you have experience of this effect at LF?? It is well known= at HF/VHF where it is more likely that metalwork will be near resonant le= ngths, and stations causing the problem are close to hand. You need a sign= ificant induced current (hence the need for near resonance) to radiate a= strong enough signal from an inefficient mixer like that.=20 It is obviously a contender but I tend to question anyone who may be "extr= apolating HF ideas" into this part of the spectrum for practical examples,= because otherwise this is how the "urban myths" arise. After 15 years of= interest in LF I have never come across a case that I could be sure was= that particular cause but I do not live close to very high power stations= .....I have BBC World service Orfordness is about 25 km away (1296kHz and= 646kHz I believe) 250kW and I have a local MW BC station (1250ish) runnin= g about 1kW about 2km away. The effects I have heard have aways come down= to ICM. and have never involved those local frequencies. Markus DF6NM has done considerable investigation on similar things and in= general I think he finds the problems like this emanate from the transmit= ter site so are generally head over a wider area independent of direction. Best Wishes Alan G3NYK --- On Mon, 7/12/09, Jacek Lipkowski wrote: > From: Jacek Lipkowski > Subject: Re: LF: Broadcast audio splatter on 136kHz > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Monday, 7 December, 2009, 21:09 > On Mon, 7 Dec 2009, Paul-Henrik > wrote: >=20 > > [...] Luxembourg effect, transmitter IMD or just me > missing the point? >=20 > maybe just mixing by some rusty junction? (long rusty fence > or something similar) does the imd vary when the weather is > dry, and suddenly rain falls? >=20 > jacek >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da02.mx.aol.com (rly-da02.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.76]) by air-da04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA042-a574b24c06c326; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 05:22:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA027-a574b24c06c326; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 05:22:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJlZd-0001vK-1Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:21:09 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJlZc-0001vB-M0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:21:08 +0000 Received: from mx01.infotech.at ([213.174.240.1]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJla4-0002Ao-98 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:21:38 +0000 Received: from [213.174.228.201] by mx01.infotech.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJla1-0006Uw-KY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:21:34 +0100 Message-ID: <4B24C018.1020605@inext.at> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:21:12 +0100 From: Oberreiter Oswald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <286ACBB4A14E40BD9C16AFC9DBD0953B@ns94d01ae4d850> In-Reply-To: <286ACBB4A14E40BD9C16AFC9DBD0953B@ns94d01ae4d850> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AGC OE5 12-12.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) hallo henny thank you fer pic fore long time tx running , i transmit only the number 5 in qrss75 73 de ossy oe5odl henny van elst schrieb: > Capture Agc Oe5 > heny pa3cpm > 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > AGC OE5 12-12.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen > virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet > toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt > weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me02.mx.aol.com (rly-me02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.35]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME031-9a04b222361135; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:48:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME024-9a04b222361135; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:48:03 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ31g-0005WR-TO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:47:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ31g-0005WI-Do for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:47:08 +0000 Received: from mail-ew0-f223.google.com ([209.85.219.223]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ31f-0007Tk-CP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:47:08 +0000 Received: by ewy23 with SMTP id 23so865565ewy.4 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 02:47:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=PBnS+MUNQZoNlA4wfjdZG0iCqSUInaByz7irkNRz814=; b=b9m6DT/UGuMnYmVSdC6GATqu4+T283XFvOpy4GMjqhNNkqUG60TQ9QG5qdNtrJIlZv 22AH2Vcz1zRqA7A+OPimp18JZKdR6Q2gsGexMuLxEPo4+JkV7Z8uzAl6ZE9J/oOPV/UC KuXyelalGlCSxn+++jtjC1rYdg3PCR5uXEy0g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=x1Ycbs044lxd/B9By1XOovbVowABIzh8o7G4z9DkZ3fWxHS+rZYsF4wizeBu4urKtw hLZ4/2OuCuZv9pB1GJe091dj1E2BAWZSj9XpGUVCQehpfwxehqn/EvbjKiyqjVn6wn9H HSU0b+oCa2Q92AKZjdnAx52d7ml7SlZR/ODjI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.88.143 with SMTP id a15mr148374wef.206.1260478029919; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:47:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <150809.55455.qm@web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <150809.55455.qm@web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:47:09 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ad009aa7e37c770a Message-ID: From: John Gould To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24=0.881,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: Geneva and WRC-12 Agenda Items Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d6454e387689047a65e9c4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d230.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016e6d6454e387689047a65e9c4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Several of us on this reflector are actively involved in the preparatory work, both within the ITU-R and CEPT WRC preparation structures. We don't lack input from people experienced in these types of meetings, but we are seeking support from national societies particularly in those countries where Amateur activity is currently permitted around 500kHz. Thus, any encouragement that can be given to your national society to become engaged in the work would be really welcome. The way this can be done is for the HF Manager, or similar, of a national societies to join the Region 1 500kHz Working Group. Rik, ON7YD or I can supply further info if necessary. 73 John, G3WKL 2009/12/10 M0FMT > FYI ?? > > *"There is opposition to this proposal, primarily from the maritime > service via the International Maritime Organisation and this has led to > France presenting a paper under agenda item 1.10 that suggests a use for > the band 495-505 kHz using datamodes. This was in response to papers from > Canada and the UK that proposed a secondary amateur band between 493 and > 510(515) kHz. There appears to be no commercial or technical reasoning > behind this paper and it is suspected to be based on emotive grounds > only. Nevertheless agenda item 1.23 still requires a lot more support if > it is going to be successful."* > > 73 petefmt > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ > -- John, G3WKL --0016e6d6454e387689047a65e9c4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Several of us on this reflector are actively involved in the preparatory= work, both within the ITU-R and CEPT WRC preparation structures.=A0 We do= n't lack input from people experienced in these types of meetings, but= we are seeking support from national societies particularly in those coun= tries where Amateur activity is currently permitted around 500kHz.=A0 Thus= , any encouragement that can be given to your national society to become= engaged in the work would be really welcome.=A0=A0 The way this can be do= ne is for the HF Manager, or similar, of a national societies to join the= Region 1 500kHz Working Group.=A0 Rik, ON7YD or I can supply further info= if necessary.

73 John, G3WKL

2009/12/10 M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>

F= YI=A0 ??=20

"Th= ere is opposition to this proposal, primarily from the maritime service vi= a the International Maritime Organisation and this has led to France presenting a paper under agenda item 1.10 that= suggests a use for the band 495-505 kHz using datamodes.=A0=A0This was in= response to papers from Canada and the UK that proposed a secondary amate= ur band between 493 and 510(515) kHz.=A0=A0There appears to be no commerci= al or technical reasoning behind this paper and it is suspected to be base= d on emotive grounds only.=A0=A0Nevertheless agenda item 1.23 still requir= es a lot more support if it is going to be successful."= =20

73 petefmt




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John, G3WK= L
--0016e6d6454e387689047a65e9c4-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (rly-dd05.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.152]) by air-dd03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD031-b774b2b21f81af; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 01:32:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD051-b774b2b21f81af; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 01:32:25 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLWJX-0006au-0m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 06:27:47 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLWJW-0006al-Ix for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 06:27:46 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s22.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.33]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLWMf-00023y-8k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 06:31:06 +0000 Received: from BLU146-W8 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s22.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 17 Dec 2009 22:30:54 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [138.32.244.2] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:30:53 -0900 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1261105635.6365.7.camel@vaio3rd> References: ,<1261105635.6365.7.camel@vaio3rd> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2009 06:30:54.0010 (UTC) FILETIME=[A65369A0:01CA7FAB] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_d20216bb-a8ca-4331-a38d-90268f9bc6b3_" Subject: RE: LF: China QRT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_d20216bb-a8ca-4331-a38d-90268f9bc6b3_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Rick - give us some notice when your on again and will look from wh= atever home Im in! =20 Laurence KL 1X /AM =20 > From: 7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:07:15 +0900 > Subject: Re: LF: China QRT >=20 > Hi Laurence KL 1 X in BY3A > Thanks for your watching my weak signal in China. > I hope to see you in Alaska, Oklahoma or Dayton Hamvension some days > in a future. > Have a nice trip back to US. >=20 > On Wed, 2009-12-16 at 22:19 +0000, hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com wrote: > > Gents - just pulled the power from the receivers and they are being > > packed. All China snappers are now QRT. >=20 > --=20 > -.. . --... .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-. > 7L1RLL under ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP) > URL=3Dhttp://www1.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html > -..--- -.- .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-... ...-. >=20 >=20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/=3D --_d20216bb-a8ca-4331-a38d-90268f9bc6b3_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Rick - give us some notice when your on again and will look fr= om whatever home Im in!
 
Laurence KL 1X /AM
 
> From: 7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp
&g= t; To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:07:1= 5 +0900
> Subject: Re: LF: China QRT
>
> Hi Laurence KL= 1 X in BY3A
> Thanks for your watching my weak signal in China.
= > I hope to see you in Alaska, Oklahoma or Dayton Hamvension some days<= BR>> in a future.
> Have a nice trip back to US.
>
>= On Wed, 2009-12-16 at 22:19 +0000, hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com wrote:<= BR>> > Gents - just pulled the power from the receivers and they are= being
> > packed. All China snappers are now QRT.
>
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> -.. . --... .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-.
> 7L1RLL= under ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP)
> URL=3Dhttp://www1.u-nets= urf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html
> -..--- -.- .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-= ... ...-.
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Hotmail: Po= werful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. =3D --_d20216bb-a8ca-4331-a38d-90268f9bc6b3_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb12.mx.aol.com (rly-mb12.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.170]) by air-mb06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB064-d434b1946ea22; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:29:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB127-d434b1946ea22; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:29:16 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGbwl-0000Cl-JH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:27:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGbwl-0000Cc-4U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:27:59 +0000 Received: from smtp815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.244]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGbwk-0005pC-Ay for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:27:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 5235 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2009 17:27:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=WDAzB6ZPKmZ7tX/1ydXot7jWFcD76zgtXJugWs44nzTKAwuOec3dn4ECRdS8yo2vPYGVCf23wSKVGg95rk8DEFTwyhl9vpjsM3phi3pd6pFfdylgZGqmtFwdcJdoBHCtPQWI92ADLDYirpSMBs1LGccp34j3bej67B3ZnbEALME= ; Received: from unknown (HELO IBM7FFA209F07C) (c.ashby435@86.168.221.246 with login) by smtp815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 17:27:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9STUSnaswBBSd6nO_2gAC20jmYlWRjmg8d5iYd8s.rl181aR6Sw- X-YMail-OSG: MfpYFeoVM1nX6Dxeuut6_6PZHv3yl9Yx5.qOYAS6W_yK8LWRWeuCmxhk8RgZBrArbxT7NuCh2tAASrb4mvGFktWIVh725onFZ9yjzwourPKKeyzIYB92CpNuTuQL6ijePk0.dyu8fx9lR5YjKtTjVmdQ9zzdQPaPa1LwUQ_aGsRot2nogGe5Ggr89exeqRwvcPnQQmHDz6TVudiZIUOqyZLcQIyd5fMMnKl6gicpkJOF4iU- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "Chris" To: References: <000d01ca74fb$f884b360$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:27:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Whi is MCP? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA7507.1BAC0680" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.9 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA7507.1BAC0680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Mal, what I want to know is who was transmitting 'MCP' in QRSS= on approx. 136.518kHz this morning. Nobody seems to know. How are you= supposed to find out who these abbreviated callsigns are? Maybe there= should be/is a database somewhere?? Sri the 'Whi' in my subject should have been 'Who'. Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:08 PM Subject: LF: Re: Whi is MCP? Chris All the action every nite is around 137.7 on QRS 3 normally also DFC= W and some CW further down the band. Several stns active most nites, lately HB9, OE, OH, EW6, SP and RU= etc=20 If u want a QSO look in this area. I am also active especially if th= ere is DX about. mal/g3lev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chris=20 To: RSGB LF Group=20 Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:04 PM Subject: LF: Whi is MCP? Hi All, Can anyone tell me who was sending MCP on approx. 136.518kHz this= morning? Thanks. Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA7507.1BAC0680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Mal, what I want to know is wh= o was=20 transmitting 'MCP' in QRSS on approx. 136.518kHz this morning. Nobody= seems to=20 know. How are you supposed to find out who these abbreviated callsigns= are?=20 Maybe there should be/is a database somewhere??
Sri the 'Whi' in my subject should ha= ve been=20 'Who'.
Chris, G4AYT.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Friday, December 04, 20= 09 4:08=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Whi is MCP?<= /DIV>

Chris
All the action every nite is around= 137.7 on QRS=20 3 normally also DFCW and some CW further down the band.
Several stns active most nites, lat= ely HB9, OE,=20 OH,  EW6, SP and RU etc
If u want a QSO look in this area.= I am also=20 active especially if there is DX about.
mal/g3lev
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Chris
Sent: Friday, December 04,= 2009 2:04=20 PM
Subject: LF: Whi is MCP?

Hi All,
Can anyone tell me who was sendin= g MCP on=20 approx. 136.518kHz this morning? Thanks.
Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable,=20 Kent.
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA7507.1BAC0680-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df03.mx.aol.com (rly-df03.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.16]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF021-53f4b195810e2; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:42:47 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF038-53f4b195810e2; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:42:26 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGd5X-000178-SD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:41:07 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGd5X-00016z-7k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:41:07 +0000 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGd5W-0006hM-E6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:41:07 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: As8FANbmGEtcHd/x/2dsb2JhbACCJCyLTwbJAoQzBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,343,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="152911565" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.223.241]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Dec 2009 18:41:00 +0000 Message-ID: <002601ca7511$51262a70$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000d01ca74fb$f884b360$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 18:40:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Whi is MCP? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01CA7511.50F41DF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CA7511.50F41DF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No database, that encourages guesswork if you are in qso and only get= part of the call. You must get a realtime ID.=20 G3KEV =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chris=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 5:27 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Whi is MCP? Thanks Mal, what I want to know is who was transmitting 'MCP' in QRS= S on approx. 136.518kHz this morning. Nobody seems to know. How are yo= u supposed to find out who these abbreviated callsigns are? Maybe ther= e should be/is a database somewhere?? Sri the 'Whi' in my subject should have been 'Who'. Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:08 PM Subject: LF: Re: Whi is MCP? Chris All the action every nite is around 137.7 on QRS 3 normally also= DFCW and some CW further down the band. Several stns active most nites, lately HB9, OE, OH, EW6, SP and= RU etc=20 If u want a QSO look in this area. I am also active especially if= there is DX about. mal/g3lev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chris=20 To: RSGB LF Group=20 Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:04 PM Subject: LF: Whi is MCP? Hi All, Can anyone tell me who was sending MCP on approx. 136.518kHz thi= s morning? Thanks. Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CA7511.50F41DF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No database,  that encourages gu= esswork if you=20 are in qso and only get part of the call.
You must get a realtime ID. = ;
G3KEV
  
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Chris
Sent: Friday, December 04, 20= 09 5:27=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: Whi is= MCP?

Thanks Mal, what I want to know is= who was=20 transmitting 'MCP' in QRSS on approx. 136.518kHz this morning. Nobod= y seems to=20 know. How are you supposed to find out who these abbreviated callsig= ns are?=20 Maybe there should be/is a database somewhere??
Sri the 'Whi' in my subject should= have been=20 'Who'.
Chris, G4AYT.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Friday, December 04,= 2009 4:08=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Whi is MCP= ?

Chris
All the action every nite is arou= nd 137.7 on=20 QRS 3 normally also DFCW and some CW further down the band.=
Several stns active most nites,= lately HB9, OE,=20 OH,  EW6, SP and RU etc
If u want a QSO look in this area= . I am also=20 active especially if there is DX about.
mal/g3lev
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Chris
Sent: Friday, December 04= , 2009 2:04=20 PM
Subject: LF: Whi is MCP?<= /DIV>

Hi All,
Can anyone tell me who was send= ing MCP on=20 approx. 136.518kHz this morning? Thanks.
Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable,=20 Kent.
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CA7511.50F41DF0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma10.mx.aol.com (rly-ma10.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.54]) by air-ma05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA054-8cf4b1fda2e144; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:11:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA101-8cf4b1fda2e144; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:11:12 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIQ3D-0003Te-Q0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:10:07 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIQ3D-0003TV-3C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:10:07 +0000 Received: from n13a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.207.51]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIQ39-0001ZW-NE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:10:03 +0000 Received: from [68.142.200.221] by n13.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2009 17:09:55 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.66] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2009 17:09:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp418.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2009 17:09:55 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 421103.63817.bm@omp418.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 47012 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2009 17:09:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=lNV2NgBUhXdF0uQlFnD5T2GMlJzmHQ9iY0HOHC0gtloaqqkrrfrVrJQh9dQgOBDI0veKSIaJAbXSSvkIL2zcxgpbAx6ypZabZFkp/6U82pfiXMqDdRaBL9z+MV/a5COyuPyb0uW779re6ttUxbnW5w5vEdd0RvDVluls9ChOXj0= ; Received: from host86-168-83-155.range86-168.btcentralplus.com (ken.h.wright@86.168.83.155 with login) by smtp133.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 09 Dec 2009 09:09:54 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9Y6mUHuswBAgnrOsukIiNdFDf95uy_Dz34nY1hlg2liKgYD952sjbg-- X-YMail-OSG: EBVMKGEVM1n6XEoGXbVInjCQTNNhfsm_LJqYYehAQykXrlk3vWN0VlKDZP_6aJro_Fv0d3kfUrdQkngf3JwP38IOvMPaDSmZ2Oc99EYaQGV.dWFn5_JVY6TFg8F04ebCt3ScnOAad_oC003hftRTo2NB4dn._TBnPwCDANFl2H2TPsJ9EcncGJ_xz5CPbpNUu4VFJDQHU7X1LfmQ7msxBVXUC050FJJQTIxbDgdblsxax6mH6nGa_HybuSi0ldoWD8SlRDvYPnfhJnQkBag8vxNWtDUyxNW1VkrWTrMJk7sBQFr6fLyva_OmJcpvhjxmM0mi5_Hk4BYVM2HLrLTH5XqRgfu9Sr_hpA4BqOOMB0cYsmIIMBMCn_DFm1kVS7DLM6DnXNCROhDWTd3_tAAUJj4ArlGW72Gz X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <8B303A7ED38945AB81CCE7216314C304@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 17:09:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: Re: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 More appliance operators Mal? 73 Ken M0KHW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 3:30 PM Subject: LF: TX-2200A > Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 > Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver > muting. > Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! > > http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf > > > > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (rly-dc07.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.36]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC083-b334b31ed7ff4; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:14:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC077-b334b31ed7ff4; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:14:25 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNODl-0003oy-Fm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:13:33 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNODl-0003op-3a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:13:33 +0000 Received: from mail-gx0-f210.google.com ([209.85.217.210]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNODi-0001bY-TA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:13:33 +0000 Received: by gxk2 with SMTP id 2so6241977gxk.4 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 02:13:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=bhVMBviy8GtoIydnpQY69aFTJdhduIyJXftJBu5BDsY=; b=FNQu/HiSUBMHamSQgreLTg7DjW/tBTSnO1HO8320rU2ZTOOv1oYqmKVam7Rlon+/zl uartql9cZ37sTBkKNduWdjFuzKL5QDouWIFruDWosewN6VuAq+r2Cq8yP4ec/fOJ725P LLoZxgJCRD58moDbG9qYsgHGP+Ztup5m6NfZg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=UPZn4BqJX3L1vCG2cCeKDMC1qEhQ3C/MTFyK9K+ssxYBqdMr5TnVgkvIdgGCOe16Lo wX2eBhJtONEeAG1UVYs1/Du4xX3Dcjk74Di/Iw9okKq7F7WboQsTt+FL2Es7IQlSPRu7 zFbCd52q9dK+7/Jn5FD6eB9kedLfgEZIvfq8w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.169.6 with SMTP id r6mr15368782ybe.95.1261563203734; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 02:13:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7B024580C38B45A0A751D6E558E072C5@ns94d01ae4d850> References: <7B024580C38B45A0A751D6E558E072C5@ns94d01ae4d850> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:13:23 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca70912230213g87fc057h16a87ef2829c39a2@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 23-12.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m222.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Henny, Very good capture! WD2XGJ was running low power (about 9dB below normal)! 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2009/12/23 henny van elst : > Hello Warren,LF > Capture XGJ > Henny CPM > Best 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > XGJ 23-12.jpg From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df04.mx.aol.com (rly-df04.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.17]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF062-5494b254665341; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:54:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF048-5494b254665341; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:54:15 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJuUh-0000Dd-Of for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:52:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJuUh-0000DN-DA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:52:39 +0000 Received: from mx7.mail.ru ([94.100.176.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJuVG-0006Ag-Ap for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:53:16 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=27760 helo=EFREMOV) by mx7.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NJuVG-000PaG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:53:14 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <00f101ca7c2d$e0e13ab0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: References: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> <241919.87622.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9afca2640912130305r3acb5e5fs991caaa1115d2255@mail.gmail.com> <6E7638745A1B43168C402CDBB010C2A7@AGB> <00dc01ca7c2a$6c6e5080$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:52:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: "Y" beacon on 137.777 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 >>Hello Marco, >>This is RA3YO >> >>73 Andrey > > Hello Andrey, > > thanks for info. And, please, who is sending long groups of 5 lines, > 75 second each, on 137.775? OE5ODL > > 73 - Marco IK1ODO > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (rly-mb01.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.154]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB071-ce54b1fb611115; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:37:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB011-ce54b1fb611115; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:37:06 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NINe7-0002GQ-8y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:36:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NINe6-0002GH-Pd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:36:02 +0000 Received: from smtp832.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.13.167]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NINe6-0003OE-6A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:36:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 93792 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2009 14:35:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Importance:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=CZR/bFBdD0TKO8YCYMLi4cPHpzZm8au9s2/PgnzInJi8sm1yQ9TaXie71GvdtyduHFReekws0nUx6iFx6Rl5ik0mcZnhgVKUR8LJcKNpz42TG/UGsi+q01HTAMqFcQ5bg8xSxIUXCYcEEvZhvEXIp6O1YYoPcu3QI1xN5YmphNE= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Inspiron) (hudsonville@86.128.232.252 with login) by smtp832.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 14:35:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: T9P8HheswBCXVWXq3ajpBY99bVSvRxQZ2abOUyeQ53_fqQzzpx0V X-YMail-OSG: oy8CUpIVM1kkfvGwTdlm6Bad90p0LEvyloCs.rqkgBdj6Gc9xvuE0XMqZ62ba3TDsViHV5VK0zCQ6O4.4474xyNnutNcxPH8uEY8AQ5Hht.YudDHdD0YSlPSVgdf84mVwW9VNYUIyPNy0PxaJPZYCZxxJGCNeQN4ROqYHRHspWqmTMIRdUyjYtCC5OS1YSU_0gribP6V6SJFuKTPridrbDs8Dep6a9SEj3l4MU0RIFeL2w-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Lee Hudson" To: Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 14:35:55 -0000 Message-ID: <751EC252D1C34839BCABBF6A6C644CDE@Inspiron> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Acp43Op3Qgg7yfAlRFy2mtNj1knjZw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: SAQ Tests Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01CA78DC.EACB2300" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_60_70, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01CA78DC.EACB2300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi LF Group, =20 Must have improoved the setup here, SAQ 45dB above noise, and also see= ing the backwave 25dB above noise too. Interesting when they tuned back to 17.2kHz I noticed the signal gain= 5dB by just moving 35Hz or so. =20 Currently not seeing anything 14:34 but we may get another test yet! =20 73,=20 Lee=20 M0LMH. =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01CA78DC.EACB2300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Hi= LF=20 Group,
 
Must= have improoved=20 the setup here, SAQ 45dB above noise, and also seeing the backwave 25d= B above=20 noise too.
Inte= resting when=20 they tuned back to 17.2kHz I noticed the signal gain 5dB by just movin= g 35Hz or=20 so.
 
Curr= ently not seeing=20 anything 14:34 but we may get another test yet!
 
73,= =20
Lee= =20
M0L= MH.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01CA78DC.EACB2300-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc05.mx.aol.com (rly-mc05.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.89]) by air-mc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC074-d764b2f482a19d; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 05:04:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC056-d764b2f482a19d; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 05:04:28 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMf1w-0000eH-UL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:58:20 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMf1w-0000e8-HT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:58:20 +0000 Received: from mx30.mail.ru ([94.100.176.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMf6v-0001Sn-HV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:03:31 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=10565 helo=EFREMOV) by mx30.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NMf6p-00089Y-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:03:23 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <003201ca8224$ccdcb3d0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <346854e9698cbf94f4483c66682bb63b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <4B2CDA00.6080504@att.net> <200912201058160899.2B6A2E1A@smtp2.numeo.fr> <005301ca8167$ac452e30$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> <74674232B5D144C187B6C6CAC1AC750B@Black> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:02:47 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: "harmonics" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Markus, Many thanks for an explanation. NB here in the receiver it is always switched off. Also I switched off and AGC, and reduced level of signals. But sidebands do not disappear at any variants :( 73 Andrey > Dear Andrey. > > here this is happening because the receiver's gain control or noise blanker > reacts on DCF39 or HGA22 telegrams. They normally occur every 11 seconds. The > receiver then modulates all signals in the passband, and gives them a set of > sidebands 1/11s = 0.09 Hz apart. > > Switching off AGC and NB will remove the sidebands on the signals completely, > but at the cost of an increased background from the original DCF FSK sidebands. > > Kind regards, > MArkus (DF6NM) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrey rn3agc" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 12:28 PM > Subject: LF: "harmonics" > > > Hello LF, > > At strong levels of a signal such "harmonics" are formed here. > Somebody knows the reason of formation of these "harmonics"? > > 73 Andrey > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb12.mx.aol.com (rly-mb12.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.170]) by air-mb02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB022-d444b2248e224a; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:28:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB128-d444b2248e224a; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:28:04 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ5WV-0007BK-Nj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:27:07 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ5WV-0007BB-6v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:27:07 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com ([209.85.220.217]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ5WT-0008S2-Mt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:27:07 +0000 Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so1022539fxm.30 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:27:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=YjNy5gtUe/Hb2dqT9Q2iHhGsfogqNgLvKVrCvk3Uv+k=; b=c5MCdZx1yV7YJCZ8G7ENvf7AK6WdioRIpJeHbQHCSXNkkGeSLEEUHRXFaRJsH/UCSJ /k4W3NId3JsLHEMG7Aaq43aBtVxde6TqgNqgNifhsuB8qIHZHkxasc+5O0zqBalqesfC zxg1QYxZHQbYLxf49vu0CNi07ZXOm/w11NkPg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=LYc0HIIN8fkaJW7hMm5Se2dL+hxt4SCO8Ppfl4MeBwPSigVO7kzfLfrqgeQyW16i+o WSz+eq18foYaVOXwOYgKZJN4sZboi9+k9Tz5XFmD4Ddg5P0FjlOaKtr/XHOuvngz3sw4 jDGpD5VUqGgQ7TS/0yIwrTrHgvPOsyBSDEIJk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.190.69 with SMTP id w5mr135974hbh.143.1260538019932; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:26:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B22410F.1000306@telia.com> References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC12@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B22410F.1000306@telia.com> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:26:59 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m263.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) On this matter... For the recent talk I gave on weak signals at a Microwave Roundtable ( http://www.g4jnt.com/MartleSham.htm ) I made some simulated CW in Noise using accurately calibrated S/N levels. An interesting finding came to light, if you normalise the signal rate to the S/N, so making bandwidth irrelevent, most of the 'fuzzy' modes end up with a similar capability. In other words, Aural CW, QRSS, SMT Hell all need a similar S/N at their respective bandwidths to work. The actual normalised S/N for readability is subject to the operator's experience togther with Temperature/Time of day/mood/Age/Gender/Alcohol intake/Hunger/Weather or any other similar parameter, but there's no massive differences between any of them. So its all down to bandwidth. Even machine modes without error correction manage a not-too-dissimilar performance once their data rates have been normalised. However, if you spread the signal, intentionally, by adding FEC, the improvements can be enormous. As I think we all know only too well when comparing QRSS etc with WSPR, Wolf and other modes with heavy FEC. At least on microwaves we have the luxury of virtually unlimited bandwidth, so can operate in a true Shannon power limited channel to make the most of band spreading. Incidently, the usually quoted signal efficiency used on one axis of the Shannon curve "Bits/second/Hz" sounds uninspiring. But if, instead of Hz, you use the old term 'cycles per second', it becomes Bits/cycle. Which puts a whole new meaning and explanation to the axis on the Shannon curve, and elicited an "Oh Wow, yes, that IS an interesting way of putting it" when told to an experienced comms engineer. The term was actually used in Shannon's original paper of 1948, but seems to have got lost Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police 2009/12/11 Johan H. Bodin : > Hi Stefan, > >> Or isn't it possible to give such a relation? > > Yes, it is not only possible, it is in fact quite simple: > When the speed is reduced by a factor K, the information bandwidth is > also reduced by the same factor. This allows you to use a receiver > bandwidth which is K times narrower without missing any information. The > nice thing is that the noise power passing through this bandwidth is > also K times smaller - The S/N ratio has improved K times (or 10*log(K) > dB if you prefer). In other words, you can reduce the TX power by the > same factor K and still enjoy the same SNR (if RX BW is is also made K > timer narrower). > > In visually received QRSS, the receiver bandwidth is equal to the RBW, > the "resolution bandwidth", which is approximately equal to the FFT bin > width (one pixel on Argo). > > QRSS30 is 10dB more efficient than QRSS3, in theory at least. > > 73 > Johan SM6LKM > > ---- > > Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: >> Dear LF, >> Does anybody know about the "gain" between QRSS3 and QRSS10 or QRSS30?= I mean, if the noise in both cases is equal, how much can I reduce my tx= pwr when switching from qrss3 to qrss10? Or isn't it possible to give suc= h a relation? >> And: Was there ever a TA QSO in QRSS3? >> I am new on the reflector, sri ;-) >> >> Stefan / DK7FC >> >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (rly-mf07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.177]) by air-mf05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF051-9714b2697a2281; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:53:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF077-9714b2697a2281; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:53:07 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKGwe-0007IF-AS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:51:00 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKGwd-0007I6-Tw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:50:59 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKGxe-0007ao-L2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:52:05 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwEAGsmJktZ8hcm/2dsb2JhbACODgaWFLRfhCsEgWI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,396,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="194982420" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.242.23.38]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2009 19:52:09 +0000 Message-ID: <005201ca7cf6$eb4f9220$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000a01ca7cd5$f79adc40$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <65368ABD188F4101A287E9D0308B4795@lindavideo> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:52:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: DIODE Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01CA7CF6.EB1D85A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01CA7CF6.EB1D85A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tnx Ken It follows the norm connections, hefty device big Amperage I expect de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ken=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 7:37 PM Subject: LF: Re: DIODE Mal. Brief info at http://english.electronica-pt.com/db/cross-reference.php?ref=3DBTY96 Ken M0KHW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 3:56 PM Subject: LF: DIODE MF Grp Does anyone have spec for a BTY 96 UM or BTY 98. Looks like a Big= Amp carrying device mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01CA7CF6.EB1D85A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tnx Ken
It follows the norm connections, heft= y device big=20 Amperage I expect
de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ken
Sent: Monday, December 14, 20= 09 7:37=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: DIODE

Mal.
Brief info at
 
 
Ken
M0KHW
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Monday, December 14,= 2009 3:56=20 PM
Subject: LF: DIODE

MF Grp
Does anyone have spec for a BTY= 96 UM or=20 BTY 98. Looks like a Big Amp carrying device
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------=_NextPart_000_004F_01CA7CF6.EB1D85A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb09.mx.aol.com (rly-mb09.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.167]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB052-d294b199b92388; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:30:37 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB095-d294b199b92388; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:30:27 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGhaV-0003bU-LO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 23:29:23 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGhaV-0003bL-3r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 23:29:23 +0000 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGhaT-0001Oc-7l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 23:29:23 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAJIpGUtOlOfC/2dsb2JhbADXAYQzBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,344,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="290767386" Received: from unknown (HELO TraceyPC) ([78.148.231.194]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Dec 2009 23:29:15 +0000 Message-ID: <4AABF465BDAF458EAD9C4A5C7071B220@TraceyPC> From: "Tracey Gardner" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB4A@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <005601ca7534$6ea90400$030ff004@ctrask> In-Reply-To: <005601ca7534$6ea90400$030ff004@ctrask> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 23:29:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Active Antenna Preamp of Bernd/DF8ZR Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 It works OK for me now! :-) Tracey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Trask" To: Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 10:52 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Active Antenna Preamp of Bernd/DF8ZR > > >> > Now, Bernd has posted the circuit of his preamp for active antennas: >> > >> > http://www.mydarc.de/df8zr/lf-active-antenna.pdf >> > >> > It's nothing fundamental new. But it's just working very fine, with an >> > overvoltage shielded input. DLF (153kHz) gets attenuated by abt 40dB, >> > compared to the sigs in the wanted frequency range. Gain is abt 23dB. >> > It was published in summer 2003 in the CQDL. >> >> The URL is an invalid one >> > > Works okay here. > > Chris > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me04.mx.aol.com (rly-me04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.38]) by air-me05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME051-9b14b22b0b015f; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:51:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME045-9b14b22b0b015f; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:50:58 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJCQr-0001ou-82 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:49:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJCQq-0001ol-QV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:49:44 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJCQq-0003Hw-0J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:49:44 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBBIqHJf020269 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:52:18 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:49:42 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:49:42 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC1F@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <20091211134526.9C23EF3862@smtps02.kuleuven.be> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Thread-Index: Acp6aN9gFFwHgWhGRrClau0pefh3nAAOiCOg From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.619;11.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.11.203924 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Rik, LF,=20 Tnx for your detailed explanations! I will not forget it any more! :-) CU tmw or Sunday! Stefan / DK7FC PS: I just bought my new and biggest kite ever: 8,1m^2, that needs a 500kg= braid and just 1,5bft... -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Dezember 2009 14:46 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Stefan, if output power is constant and the noise (at RX) is uniform then the=20 SNR is directly related to the RX bandwidth, what must be at least=20 equal to the useful bandwidth of the TX signal. The required bandwidth for QRSS30 (0.033Hz) is ten times smaller than=20 for QRSS3 (0.33Hz), so QRSS30 should have a 10dB better SNR. QRSS10=20 (bandwidth 0.1Hz) is about 5dB better tha QRSS3 and 5dB worse than QRSS30. The above also assumes that both RX and TX stability are sufficient. Have a look at http://www.qsl.net/on7yd/136narro.htm Another limit is the "stability" of the ionosphere, causing doppler=20 effect and thus limiting the minimal bandwidth. Most of the time on=20 137kHz one can go as slow as QRSS120, but at 10MHz QRSS10 is the limit. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 13:29 11/12/2009, you wrote: >Dear LF, >Does anybody know about the "gain" between QRSS3 and QRSS10 or=20 >QRSS30? I mean, if the noise in both cases is equal, how much can I=20 >reduce my tx pwr when switching from qrss3 to qrss10? Or isn't it=20 >possible to give such a relation? >And: Was there ever a TA QSO in QRSS3? >I am new on the reflector, sri ;-) > >Stefan / DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me09.mx.aol.com (rly-me09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.43]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME034-9d74b1a3ad63f; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 05:50:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME093-9d74b1a3ad63f; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 05:50:00 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGsCO-0005mf-Ak for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 10:49:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGsCN-0005mV-Us for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 10:49:11 +0000 Received: from mx71.mail.ru ([94.100.176.85]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) 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X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Alberto, I am not much in beer myself, but there seems to be a famous Dutch brand, that I can recommend! 73, Roelof, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com 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X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,424,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="363975502" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.150.180.132]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2009 18:48:37 +0000 Message-ID: <001d01ca80db$dbee9680$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <346854e9698cbf94f4483c66682bb63b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <001e01ca80b0$392cb0b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <002501ca80cc$2df97f90$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <9afca2640912190916g2eaed7e3o920b6eca5fcfd48b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:48:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA80DB.DB93F360" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404c4b2d20476cd2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA80DB.DB93F360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I do understand but some persons cannot be told. It depends how it is= configured/installed, height above ground , environment etc=20 G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 5:16 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Noise cancelling by using optic transmissio= n of RX signals Total tosh Mal. You clearly don't understand how E-probe antennas= work.=20 73s and happy Christmas Roger G3XBM 2009/12/19 mal hamilton I said recently that the wire connecting these type of mini antenn= as is in fact the antenna. It was the same with the Partridge Joy stick of yesteryears, the long connecting wire to the small loading coil wa= s doing most of the work. There is no substitute for a real resonant antenna at the working= frequency. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 1:36 PM Subject: LF: Re: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of= RX signals > >I think the role of the ground with active whips is often negle= cted - the output of the whip preamp > >is the voltage differential between the whip element and the ci= rcuit ground, so the ground > >connection is just as much part of the antenna as the whip elem= ent itself is. > > That's an important point that is often overlooked or ignored.= A mini whip mounted up at 5 meters is > a 5 meter antenna. You can easily prove this by mounting it at= ground zero on top of a ground > screen. Been there, done that. > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR > > --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA80DB.DB93F360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I do understand but some persons cann= ot be told. It=20 depends how it is configured/installed, height above ground , environm= ent etc=20
G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 19,= 2009 5:16=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Nois= e cancelling=20 by using optic transmission of RX signals

Total tosh Mal.  You clearly don't= =20 understand how E-probe antennas work.

73s and happy=20 Christmas

Roger G3XBM




2009/12/19 mal hamilton <= ;g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
I=20 said recently that the wire connecting these type of mini antennas= is=20 in
fact the antenna. It was the same with the Partridge Joy sti= ck=20 of
yesteryears, the long connecting wire to the small loading= coil was=20 doing
most of the work.
There is no substitute for a real re= sonant=20 antenna at the working frequency.
G3KEV


----- Origin= al Message=20 -----
From: <= jrusgrove@comcast.net>
To:=20 <rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org>
Sent:=20 Saturday, December 19, 2009 1:36 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Noise canc= elling by=20 using optic transmission of RX signals


> >I think= the role=20 of the ground with active whips is often neglected - the
output= of the=20 whip preamp
> >is the voltage differential between the wh= ip element=20 and the circuit
ground, so the ground
> >connection is= just as=20 much part of the antenna as the whip element itself
is.
>=
>=20 That's an important point that is often overlooked or ignored. A= mini=20 whip
mounted up at 5 meters is
> a 5 meter antenna. You= can easily=20 prove this by mounting it at ground zero
on top of a ground
= >=20 screen. Been there, done that.
>
> Jay W1VD  WD2X= NS=20  WE2XGR
>
>




--=20
-------------------------------------------------------------http://g3xbm-qrp.blogs= pot.com/
http://www.g3xb= m.co.uk
G3XBM  =20  GQRP 1678      ISWL G11088
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charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) LF I uploaded a quick-and-dirty audio recording of one ID: http://www.netikka.net/oh1lsq/WE2XGR_6_20091213_0145UTC.wav BR Paul-Henrik From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd08.mx.aol.com (rly-dd08.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.155]) by air-dd10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD101-b964b211f2024; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:17:42 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD088-b964b211f2024; 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charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Pete, It arrived yesterday, just as I was taking my XYL out to celebrate our wed= ding anniversary. I have now unpacked the parcel. =20 Many thanks for all your efforts. I have subscribed to the soft rock Yaho= o group and realise I have a lot to learn. =20 Cheque sent to you (Oh dear! that sounds like "our cheque is in the post"= ). 73 John *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 10/12/2009 at 06:54 M0FMT wrote: >Hi John >=A0 >Have you received my parcel yet,=A0with the soft rock ? >=A0 >73 petefmt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da09.mx.aol.com (rly-da09.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.83]) by air-da02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA021-a904b16a8d5e6; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:50:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA098-a904b16a8d5e6; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:50:15 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFtK2-0006Hc-7b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:49:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFtK1-0006HT-Rk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:49:01 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFtK1-0007e2-8E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:49:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 3128 invoked by uid 507); 2 Dec 2009 18:48:35 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 18:48:35 +0100 Message-ID: <200912021848460547.0592D856@smtp2.numeo.fr> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:48:46 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Sound card sampling rate Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I am running a USB-connected Creative Labs sound blaster model SB0270 with= Argo V1 build 134 on an XP SP3 system. How do I find out the sampling= rate, please? 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It seemed generally to be sufficient to de-tune= the unused antenna to reduce the interaction to low levels. Best Wishes for Dx in the New Year Alan G3NYK --- On Sun, 27/12/09, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer = wrote: > From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer > Subject: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sunday, 27 December, 2009, 10:55 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Hi > Alan, tnx, i have > printed your article and will read it now at breakfast > ;-) >=20 > =20 >=20 > Perhaps > I will come back > with some questions=E2=80=A6 J >=20 > =20 >=20 > 73, > Stefan/DK7FC >=20 > -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche > Nachricht----- >=20 > Von: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von ALAN > MELIA >=20 > Gesendet: > Sonntag, 27. Dezember > 2009 01:32 >=20 > An: > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >=20 > Betreff: Re: > LF: Influence of a TX > antenna to a small rx antenna >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > Hi Stephan yes the aerialls will > be very close > compared with the wavelength so they will interact > particularly is tuned. We > did some measurements ar Finbar's location several > years ago >=20 > http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/aecouple.htm=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > The interaction was measured on an antenna RF > bridge, and demonstrates > the coupling between two wires. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Best Wishes >=20 > Alan G3NYK >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma03.mx.aol.com (rly-ma03.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.47]) by air-ma10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA104-8994b25201e3c1; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 12:11:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA033-8994b25201e3c1; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 12:10:56 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJrwQ-0006Rg-3F for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:09:06 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJrwP-0006RX-Mw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:09:05 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate01.web.de ([217.72.192.221]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJrx1-0004Bz-Lp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:09:45 +0000 Received: from smtp08.web.de (fmsmtp08.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.5.216]) by fmmailgate01.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ABC11415547B for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:09:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from [217.227.113.4] (helo=mo76) by smtp08.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE 4.110 #314) id 1NJrwv-0007Ru-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:09:37 +0100 Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:09:37 +0100 From: Michael Oexner X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.12.00) Personal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1225211384.20091213180937@web.de> To: Clemens Paul In-Reply-To: <018101ca7c14$e9405ce0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> References: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> <241919.87622.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9afca2640912130305r3acb5e5fs991caaa1115d2255@mail.gmail.com> <6E7638745A1B43168C402CDBB010C2A7@AGB> <297314752.20091213174834@web.de> <018101ca7c14$e9405ce0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: michael.oexner@web.de X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+4HENHGEYZiCud24Bhf7HeeFxskJaRsQG9SSHm wih8T0KqOdhGL2I7VUSMCuYemUuc8L7h03jISx3x3L6L4Yuod/ IF4RbWeQ06+LwmFtY2mg== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: IK1HSS WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Clemens, Good to see you here as well :-) > saw your name in the database but didn't realize that it might have > been you. Did you try the ALA1530,too? Unfortunately no - the ALA 1530 needs a new coax and is currently QRT. -- vy 73 + gd DX, Michael From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma10.mx.aol.com (rly-ma10.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.54]) by air-ma10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA103-8d54b2407c98c; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:15:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA107-8d54b2407c98c; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:14:50 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJZHl-0003xN-HM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:13:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJZHl-0003xE-6s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:13:53 +0000 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([195.4.92.91]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJZHt-0002bB-1V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:14:02 +0000 Received: from [195.4.92.22] (helo=12.mx.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.70 #1) id 1NJZHt-0000YN-2O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 22:14:01 +0100 Received: from g230094112.adsl.alicedsl.de ([92.230.94.112]:1146 helo=[192.168.0.100]) by 12.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #94) id 1NJZHs-0005ee-S0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 22:14:01 +0100 Message-ID: <4B240795.9070502@freenet.de> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 22:13:57 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Wolfgang_B=FCscher?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC1F@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B23B319.9080005@usa.net> <4B23C4B5.10102@freenet.de> <003e01ca7b4d$307ac190$3ab27cbc@ap6fnsa53r3k6h> <4B23E5CD.6090209@freenet.de> <4B23EAFB.7080608@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <4B23EAFB.7080608@usa.net> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Japanese time&frequency station Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) fb... here similar display here, received 2009-12-12 about 21 UTC with a SDR-IQ and a small air core loop antenna (indoors): http://freenet-homepage.de/dl4yhf/vlf_rdf/latest_vlf_spectra.htm#20_to_50_kHz (still no signs from Japan, but NAU - Puerto Rico - getting stronger now) 73, Wolf DL4YHF . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (rly-dc07.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.36]) by air-dc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC073-b2e4b1d79c7e0; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:55:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC072-b2e4b1d79c7e0; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:55:21 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHlXI-00040U-JA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:54:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHlXI-00040L-6K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:54:28 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHlXH-0007Xc-Do for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:54:28 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31A2351C003 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:54:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2526331E702 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:54:14 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id AA16018056; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:54:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from 37.1-180-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (37.1-180-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [91.180.1.37]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 22:54:13 +0100 Message-ID: <20091207225413.gv5qgln28008ock4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 22:54:13 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <9afca2640912071058u8d99fbbp6c9464d698d6f0f7@mail.gmail.com> <20091207220046.49h1zwc3tw448s4s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <9afca2640912071346j79529ed7nb39f7558ab513e15@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9afca2640912071346j79529ed7nb39f7558ab513e15@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 91.180.1.37 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz CW CQ CQ.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Roger, nothing heard too. I could see a faint trace at 501.755 QRN is still rather high for the time of the year. 73, Rik ON7YF - OR7T Quoting Roger Lapthorn : > Called for about 10 mins at 12wpm at 2130z but nothng heard Rik. =20 > Back to WSPR.... > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > > 2009/12/7 Rik Strobbe =20 > > > Roger, > > I have been listeing but only heard GW3UEP on 501.5 > I will give it another try at 21:30 UTC > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > PS: can you preeced your CQ by a 10 sec carrier or so? That would =20 > allow me to locate you with Argo. > > > > > > Quoting Roger Lapthorn =20 > >: > > I'm calling CQ on ~501.8kHz but getting no responses as yet.... > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > > > > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me04.mx.aol.com (rly-me04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.38]) by air-me05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME052-9b24b20aab5114; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 03:01:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME046-9b24b20aab5114; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 03:00:55 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIdwP-0000IK-Bc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:00:01 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIdwO-0000I6-Az for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:00:00 +0000 Received: from mail0.citigroup.com ([192.193.221.105] helo=mail.citigroup.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIdwL-0006UZ-Dx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:00:00 +0000 Received: from imbhub-mw02.nam.nsroot.net ([159.17.94.189]) by imbaspam-ss03.namdmz.dmzroot.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/SSMB_EXT/ev: 24737 $) with ESMTP id nBA7xnhU012217 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:59:50 GMT Received: from exlniht01.eur.nsroot.net (exlniht01.eur.nsroot.net [169.186.207.97]) by imbhub-mw02.nam.nsroot.net (Switch-3.4.1/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id nBA7rGq1014189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:59:49 GMT Received: from exlnht03.eur.nsroot.net (169.186.207.98) by exlniht01.eur.nsroot.net (169.186.207.97) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.375.2; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:59:34 +0000 Received: from exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net ([169.186.219.14]) by exlnht03.eur.nsroot.net ([169.186.207.98]) with mapi; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:59:34 +0000 From: "Scholz, Marco " To: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org'" Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:59:32 +0000 Thread-Topic: LF: DDH47 147.3 Thread-Index: Acp5MSCvalu0BDkbSAK+E2Cv6HzP7AAKrNPQAAR8LlA= Message-ID: <16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C6612C3@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> References: <392758439.1260398409.48146488.79519@mcgi74.rambler.ru> <4B202EA6.1090000@usa.net> <003201ca7930$73dc02b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C661224@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> In-Reply-To: <16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C661224@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB x-wiganss: 01000000010017exlnht03.eur.nsroot.net ID0044<16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C6612C3@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 169.175.16.182 X-Spam-Score: 2.0 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,EXTRA_MPART_TYPE=0.815,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: RE: LF: DDH47 147.3 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_004_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C6612C3exlnmb01eurns_"; type="multipart/alternative" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --_004_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C6612C3exlnmb01eurns_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C6612C3exlnmb01eurns_" --_000_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C6612C3exlnmb01eurns_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, an audio sample is located under http://scholzmarco.gmxhome.de/ddh47_09122= 009.mp3 regards Marco, DD7PC ________________________________ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org] On Behalf Of Scholz, Marco [ICG-IT] Sent: 10 December 2009 06:46 To: 'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org' Subject: RE: LF: DDH47 147.3 Good morning, DDH47 also with an outstanding signal here in JN49. Exact at 23:15 was a= QRSS3 transmission of the word "Braun" - see attached file. vy73 Marco DD7PC ________________________________ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org] On Behalf Of jrusgrove@comcast.net Sent: 10 December 2009 01:34 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 147.3 Good copy of cw signal 'by ear' in CT ... on a very noisy night. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: Alberto di Bene To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 6:11 PM Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 147.3 Beautiful copy of DDH47, but then, given their power, it is not a great su= rprise.... 73 Alberto I2PHD [cid:352495207@10122009-1A35] --_000_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C6612C3exlnmb01eurns_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,
 
regards
Marco, DD7PC
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o= rg=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Scholz, Ma= rco=20 [ICG-IT]
Sent: 10 December 2009 06:46
To:=20 'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org'
Subject: RE: LF: DDH47=20 147.3

Good morning,
DDH47 also with an outstanding signal here= in JN49. Exact=20 at 23:15 was a QRSS3 transmission of the word "Braun" - see attached=20 file.
 
vy73
Marco
DD7PC

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o= rg=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of=20 jrusgrove@comcast.net
Sent: 10 December 2009 01:34
To:= =20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: DDH47=20 147.3

Good copy of= cw signal 'by=20 ear' in CT ... on a very noisy night.
 
Jay W1VD  WD2XNS&nbs= p;=20 WE2XGR/2
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Alberto di Bene= =20
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 200= 9 6:11=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 147.3

Beautiful copy of DDH47, but then, given their power, it= is not=20 a great surprise....

73  Alberto  I2PHD

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googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) That wouldn't make any difference. The mount to the metal frame was non contact, and the outer of the coax forming the counterpoise will always be the interference injection point as teh rubbish is being picke dup on th ecoax outer as it feeds its way thuorgh the ducting to the outside world. By the time the roofspace itreached, teh actual localised radiatino is at a moderately low level as its mostly contined within the metal framed building. The surest way to counter localised pickup on the coax is to thoroughly ground the antenna connection using the ground wire provided to the building frame, then use a common mode choke (a mass of ferrite rings) to decouple the coax braid. It worked well-enough for our HF monitoring purposes. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police 2009/12/17 Roelof Bakker : > Hello Andy, > > Have you tried to mount it on a four metre high non metallic pole? > It probably is still inside the noise field of the building, which drops > off within a few metres. > > 73, > Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db10.mx.aol.com (rly-db10.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.85]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB013-aeb4b1d49bd373; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:30:34 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB101-aeb4b1d49bd373; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:30:23 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHiKp-00034Y-Ov for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:29:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHiKp-00034P-CH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:29:23 +0000 Received: from mcgi25.rambler.ru ([81.19.67.67]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHiKo-0006RC-Mx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:29:23 +0000 Received: from mcgi25.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mcgi25.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 192741700D for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 21:29:19 +0300 (MSK) Received: from [91.77.89.121] by mcgi25.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:29:13 +0300 From: Roman RW3ADB To: Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:29:13 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: Message-Id: <244300601.1260210553.160289304.17021@mcgi25.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (untone), http://mail.rambler.ru X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 last call Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 TNX Uwe! * Uwe Wensauer [Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:05:17 +0100]: > Special Event : 100 years Nobel Prize Prof. Braun & Marconi > > On 10th of December 1909 Prof. F. Braun and G. Marconi received Nobel > Prize for Physics at > > Stockholm. Both gentlemen were honored for their developments in the > field of wireless > > communication. > > On the 100th anniversary of this occasion the Prof. Braun Day (DL0PFB) > makes a special > > transmission with the longwave transmitter DDH47 (147,3 kHz) of National > Weather Service > > Deutscher Wetterdienst. > > On the night before Nobelday (9. December 2009) the transmitter is > available for 2 hours ( 23 > > - 01 UTC). > > All people are invited to listen to the telegraphic transmissions of > DDH47 und radio > > amateurs may contact DL0PFB on shortwave in cw only. DL0PFB answers to > calls on the > > declared frequencies and keys DDH47 sometimes in parallel. > > During silence periods (h+15-18 and h+45-48) of former maritime radio > service, there is ultra > > slow keying ( 1 dot in 3 seconds ) for long distance tests. The names of > famous wireless > > pioniers will be keyed in that time for prove of receiption! > > Prof. Braun Day issued a special QSL card, contacts are exchanged via > DARC Bureau or > > direct, when followed certain circumstances: > > (Deutschland SASE, Europe postage 2 US Dollars, overseas postage 4 US > Dollars, No IRC) > > Contact: Prof. Braun Day, c/o J. Gerpott, Rebhuhnweg 21, 22880 Wedel, > Germany > > When: 9. Dezember 2009, 2300 UTC until 10. Dezember 2009, 0100 UTC > > Transmit : DDH47 147,3 kHz und DL0PFB : ( 3565, 7025, 14052 kHz +/- > qrm), > > Receive : DL0PFB only shortwave, see above > > QRS3 : hourly +15 bis +18, and +45 bis +48, ulta slow keying 1 Dot in 3 > Seconds > > Receiption reports are welcome, especially from overseas ! > > Internet: > > www.mmqtc-award.org Link Nobel > > Version 1.0 nobele.pdf > > > > > > 73 > > Uwe, DK1kq -- Roman RW3ADB. 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1NGT2v-0005ht-Pg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 07:57:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGT2v-0005hk-CG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 07:57:45 +0000 Received: from pne-smtpout2-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.164]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGT2u-0002ku-GX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 07:57:45 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (81.235.167.68) by pne-smtpout2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (7.3.140.3) (authenticated as u33233109) id 4A5BC8BE00F310DA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 08:57:38 +0100 Message-ID: <4B18C0F9.8060202@telia.com> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 08:57:45 +0100 From: "Johan H. Bodin" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B16987B.9000002@usa.net> <4B179DE6.3050608@usa.net> <20091203194531.or926chzk844g4k8@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <4B183595.5060800@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <4B183595.5060800@usa.net> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Yes, those Trappiste beers are quite interesting, Chimay for example which is available in different signal strengths (QRP..QRO), but I don't believe it is possible to get them in metal cans. As a compromise, you can try to wrap the bottle in metal foil, or, avoid drinking it and solder the FET gate directly to the bottle's cap. :-) 73 Johan SM6LKM Alberto di Bene wrote: > I tend to agree with Rik, the best beers I ever drank were those in La > Grande Place > in Bruxelles, many years ago, when I was there for QRL. > I remember a three-story building facing directly the Place, where you > could taste > all kind of Trappiste beers... I spent there many evenings... though I > did not think > to perform a measurement in dBs of the SNR with respect to beers coming > from the Amstel river :-) > > 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (rly-dc08.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.37]) by air-dc05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC054-b384b256cd232; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:38:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC084-b384b256cd232; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:38:12 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJx39-0001uR-VQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:36:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJx39-0001uI-FP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:36:23 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJx3m-00074N-Dp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:37:03 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDE2F2AC521 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:37:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps01.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.136] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.58V) with ESMTP id XID916NLmwlB8028X01; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:37:01 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.136 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps01.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID916NLmwlB8028X01 Received: from [192.168.1.4] [151.47.223.119] by cmsapps01.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 471NLmwK83072M36; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:37:00 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.223.119 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.4] Message-ID: <4B256C89.9030906@usa.net> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:36:57 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LF Mailing List X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID471NLmwla3072X36 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: IK1HSS in QRSS3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Received IK1HSS in QRSS3 mode at 137.770 kHz. He seems to have stopped just now (22:33 UTC) transmitting, exactly a few seconds before I was ready to do a screen capture....:-) 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.209]) by air-db02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB022-861c4b34ffd21e5; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:09:22 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EB5AB3800009B; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:09:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOEa5-00039I-6a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 18:08:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOEa4-000399-Rt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 18:08:04 +0000 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOEa2-00020a-7J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 18:08:04 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqYEAIqONEtcGJjG/2dsb2JhbACNVgaOVLhwhDME X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,454,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="255897606" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.24.152.198]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2009 18:07:56 +0000 Message-ID: <002401ca858d$2c21b550$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 18:07:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: LF/MF ACTY Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01CA858D.2BA35D90" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d14b34ffd17238 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01CA858D.2BA35D90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 137.7 Kcs vy busy this evening on QRS. 500 Kcs quiet apart from PAT an= d his greetings merssage de G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01CA858D.2BA35D90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
137.7 Kcs vy busy this evening on QRS= . 500 Kcs=20 quiet apart from PAT and his greetings merssage
de G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_0021_01CA858D.2BA35D90-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg06.mx.aol.com (rly-dg06.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.90]) by air-dg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG023-5ce4b16c0e5123; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:33:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG061-5ce4b16c0e5123; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:32:54 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFuvS-00076i-Il for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:31:46 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFuvS-00076Z-3c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:31:46 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFuvQ-0007p6-Fg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:31:46 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so546588bwz.4 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:31:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=h2vl6iHOcTbSUfzLYUPzJejZAPvafeoSNgebunhzcJo=; b=Jgsfmj/UBC/rL2aoPCnOXhB+GjrS38eIXW3XKizXQrmIfNQkzRinMW0QLZDVQ67yEZ HrROayhhKwX6dygaFBjE4/263LjsbCmKOHRn04IwdVo2XguwvvZXurpGND1CEcSkUQWh j6Ahq020qCuH+orcEqD1JTY4zSte+E718l/L0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=aN4BO8vk847ril4nfQteZBug7lXg0uCE0CMnnRKtk9wsCPAn3uNdnCW9CPoneht1ia NOvrHfLRNZZllqH6f+ix4G1MYrsb9Pz6wwt91rLD1KSA16jtDhivig1pN5OMSlgZKOhf zrLVwSwUlEATV8Muz5hNS1GugJACgnA+MO0Mw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.23.77 with SMTP id q13mr559827bkb.136.1259782296509; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:31:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B16A588.4020408@usa.net> References: <9afca2640912020929k28ed644dl8f58ace35432e49@mail.gmail.com> <4B16A588.4020408@usa.net> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:31:36 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2640912021131v6458532bibcaeed83c43b4005@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz WSPR (last time before trying 136kHz WSPR) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0003255584e2471cba0479c3ecac X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m201.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0003255584e2471cba0479c3ecac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Alberto (et al), Within the WSPR sub-band and currently around 503.886kHz but may move later to avoid QRO stations. My WSPR beacon will run overnight tonight. 73s Roger 2009/12/2 Alberto di Bene > Roger Lapthorn wrote: > > This evening I'm TXing on 500kHz WSPR (1mW ERP) and would appreciate >> reports. >> > > Dial frequency ? UTC time of start and end ? > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0003255584e2471cba0479c3ecac Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alberto (et al),

Within the WSPR sub-band and currently around 503.= 886kHz but may move later to avoid QRO stations. My WSPR beacon will run= overnight tonight.

73s
Roger

= 2009/12/2 Alberto di Bene <dibene@usa.net>
Roger Lapthorn wrote:

This evening I'm TXing on 500kHz WSPR (1mW ERP) and would appreciate= reports.

Dial frequency ? UTC time of start and end ?

73 =A0Alberto =A0I2PHD







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http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088
--0003255584e2471cba0479c3ecac-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (rly-mf04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.174]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF081-9574b2bc268254; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:57:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF045-9574b2bc268254; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:56:58 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLgzC-0004bS-RR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:51:30 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLgzC-0004bJ-5V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:51:30 +0000 Received: from smtp6.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.191]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLh2e-00072D-7Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:55:06 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3618.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8365A7000083 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:54:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3618.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 76D35700009B for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:54:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.32.76]) by mwinf3618.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 217427000083 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:54:56 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20091218175456137.217427000083@mwinf3618.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <2D2A7F4006D14FDA90FA57ECAEE27BDE@AGB> From: "Graham" To: Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:54:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 3.0 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,EXTRA_MPART_TYPE=0.815,FUZZY_OCR_WRONG_CTYPE=1.500,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=0.64,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Band 501 to 504kHz in the Netherlands Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA800B.34CDD260" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA800B.34CDD260 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0029_01CA800B.34CDD260" ------=_NextPart_001_0029_01CA800B.34CDD260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Band 501 to 504kHz in the Netherlands Starting on 1 January 2010, full licence holders in the Netherlands ca= n opt for permission to conduct experiments in the band 501 to 504kHz= with a maximum power of 5W EIRP and a maximum bandwidth of 100Hz. Q : Is this another intended to be CW .... but can do data if it= fits syndrome ?=20 5 watts erp should provide reasonable signals considering the amoun= t of water about ( are the dykes fresh or salt?) And there may also be a 500 Khz web-sdr radio running from Holla= nd shortly as well .. outstanding system=20 Congratulations on the new allocation ! G ..=20 ------=_NextPart_001_0029_01CA800B.34CDD260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Band 501 to 504kHz in the=20 Netherlands
Starting on 1 Janu= ary 2010,=20 full licence holders in the Netherlands can opt for permission to cond= uct=20 experiments in the band 501 to 504kHz with a maximum power of 5W EIRP= and a=20 maximum bandwidth of 100Hz.
 
Q : Is this another  intended to= be  CW=20 ....  but  can do data  if it  fits syndrome=  ?=20
 
5 watts erp  should provide reas= onable =20 signals considering the  amount of water  about ( are = the =20 dykes fresh or salt?)
 
And there may also  be  a&n= bsp;500 Khz=20  web-sdr   radio running  from Holland shortly  as= well ..=20 outstanding system
 
Congratulations on the  new = ; allocation=20 !
 
G ..


------=_NextPart_001_0029_01CA800B.34CDD260-- ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA800B.34CDD260 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="spacer_line.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Location: http://www.rsgb.org/format/images/spacer_line.gif R0lGODlhAQAWAIAAAP///wAAACH5BAAAAAAALAAAAAABABYAAAIEhI+pUAA7 ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA800B.34CDD260-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db01.mx.aol.com (rly-db01.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.76]) by air-db02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB022-aa44b23b38fe7; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:15:34 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB012-aa44b23b38fe7; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:15:29 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJTgA-0000fm-5p for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:14:42 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJTg9-0000fd-Qs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:14:41 +0000 Received: from smtpa1.mediabeam.com ([194.25.41.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJTg9-00085T-40 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:14:43 +0000 Received: from r300-1 (balancer4.mediabeam.com [194.25.41.40]) by smtpa1.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nBCFEZg2023534 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:14:35 +0100 From: "Uwe Jannsen" To: Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:14:33 Message-ID: <0F7807D90C0C0F0E21395@kabelmail.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-PRIORITY: 3 X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,INVALID_DATE=1.76 Subject: LF: XGJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi all, I have never seen the singns of "XGJ" as strong as last night. pse see: http://dj8wx-dl.de/capt236 regards Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.208]) by air-di05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI054-eac94b3b568819; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 08:32:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C915438000042; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 08:32:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPye0-0002IF-J4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:31:20 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPye0-0002I6-4P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:31:20 +0000 Received: from impaqm5.telefonica.net ([213.4.138.5]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPydy-0006FA-J9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:31:20 +0000 Received: from IMPmailhost2.adm.correo ([10.20.102.39]) by IMPaqm5.telefonica.net with bizsmtp id PQ3D1d00n0r0BT63RRXH14; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:31:17 +0100 Received: from p1800 ([217.127.130.21]) by IMPmailhost2.adm.correo with BIZ IMP id PRXH1d0070Tqill1iRXHjb; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:31:17 +0100 X-TE-authinfo: authemail="EA2HB" |auth_email="EA2HB@telefonica.net" X-TE-AcuTerraCos: auth_cuTerraCos="cosuitnetc01" Message-ID: <001001ca8954$5dd9bf50$0401a8c0@p1800> From: "Federico" To: Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:31:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST=0.766,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Documentation Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA895C.BEFF4F40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d04b3b5687712a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA895C.BEFF4F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wanted some documentation of the level meter Wandel & Goltermann SPM6= or a reference to its location 73 and TNX. EA2HB@telefonica.net ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA895C.BEFF4F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wanted so= me=20 documentation of the level meter  Wandel & Goltermann SP= M6 or a=20 reference to its location

73 and TNX.
       =20               &= nbsp;=20               &= nbsp;=20  EA2HB@telefonica.net
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA895C.BEFF4F40-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md09.mx.aol.com (rly-md09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.147]) by air-md10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD102-9284b1bbb36115; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 09:10:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD098-9284b1bbb36115; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 09:10:00 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHHmz-0004qC-6K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 14:08:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHHmy-0004q3-Iw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 14:08:40 +0000 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHHmx-0006k8-Nm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 14:08:40 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnQFAJBJG0tcHCNo/2dsb2JhbACCLIF8iWa3VY8Jg1xXBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,349,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="278695330" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.28.35.104]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 06 Dec 2009 14:08:33 +0000 Message-ID: <004601ca767d$953d69e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <013e01ca765e$375485d0$0317aac0@desktop> <246141.16657.qm@web87013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 14:08:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: copying mal now 10.22z on cw 500 557 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0043_01CA767D.94F11EA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01CA767D.94F11EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tnx Sam for the report, doing well on the untuned vert. 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: SAM JEWELL=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: Re: LF: copying mal now 10.22z on cw 500 557 Mal , G3KEV, CQ copied 539 in JO02 ( near Felixstowe ) at around 12= :00z on 502kHz. Untuned 7m vertical. No NoV so unable to respond other than on here. 73 de Sam, G4DDK ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- From: James Cowburn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, 6 December, 2009 10:23:54 Subject: LF: copying mal now 10.22z on cw 500 557 LF/Mal Can cpy u loud and clear on around 502.5cw 557. I called back but= no reply. Do u want to try RTTY? With best regards Jim G7NKS ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01CA767D.94F11EA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tnx Sam for the report, doing well on= the untuned=20 vert.
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 SAM=20 JEWELL
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 20= 09 12:17=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: copying mal= now 10.22z=20 on cw 500 557

Mal , G3KEV,  CQ copied 539 in JO02 ( near Felixstowe ) at= around=20 12:00z on 502kHz. Untuned 7m vertical.
No NoV so unable to respon= d other=20 than on here.

73 de Sam, G4DDK




From: James Cowburn= <james.cowburn@vir= gin.net>
To:= rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org
Sent:<= /SPAN> Sunday, 6 December, 2009=20 10:23:54
Subject:= LF: copying=20 mal now 10.22z on cw 500 557

LF/Mal

 

Can cpy u loud and clear on aroun= d=20 502.5cw 557.  I called back but no reply. Do u want to try=20 RTTY?

 

With= best=20 regards

&= nbsp;

&= nbsp;

Jim=20 G7NKS

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0043_01CA767D.94F11EA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma02.mx.aol.com (rly-ma02.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.46]) by air-ma10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA102-8934b18007a1e3; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:16:39 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA025-8934b18007a1e3; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:16:28 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGGDC-0003Ew-MZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:15:30 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGGDC-0003En-3p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:15:30 +0000 Received: from smtpa1.mediabeam.com ([194.25.41.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGGDA-0007Xo-Nl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:15:30 +0000 Received: from r300-1 (balancer4.mediabeam.com [194.25.41.40]) by smtpa1.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nB3IFMCZ016976 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 19:15:22 +0100 From: "Uwe Jannsen" To: Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:15:18 Message-ID: <1A4C07D90C03120F1332A@kabelmail.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-PRIORITY: 3 X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,INVALID_DATE=1.76 Subject: Re: LF: info's F8boj Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Claude, though no DX here your signs looks like that: http://dj8wx-dl.de/capt58 in JO43SV. regards Uwe/dj8wx -------- Kabel E-Mail Reply --------------- From: f8boj@club-internet.fr To : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: 02.12.2009 17:18:41 HI LF To test station at the bottom of Band I will be QRV 136319.20 hz QRSS60 for 20H utc Notice to fans DX and the control's is welcome Claude f8boj JN16WA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.13]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE022-5ea74b313bb8254; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:35:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4409E3800DF8E; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:23:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNCAJ-0007YI-Jc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:21:11 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNCAJ-0007Y9-0N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:21:11 +0000 Received: from smtp815.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNCAH-0006Yw-H4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:21:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 64324 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2009 21:21:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Importance:In-Reply-To; b=qSYAwZi0yBsfmRRbD0/f1rKqVtGnUEFFgnLdleaKjmmSR/H+NBfooVNCnpyUr3xgTlOB1Ri/nbiIZgwZSUN1jGO8F/zRIuZ8JXgDci3ZO1NFkBgGKL//i2JfZL28bV9lh82OKgLyS7wfq18s7aH1IigEvau0vMViJYcQM9mB9KY= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@86.141.122.22 with login) by smtp815.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2009 21:21:03 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: JSvqNSWswBBXc9Mk_Vd71RtGz2bViJtuZMADdmi78eLqBj_R7.fL X-YMail-OSG: 0YrQ5XYVM1mITjO3LziCK3if6PVno3.ciMg2tB9lTp2VMcIrbE_TEWvamdU5QUrswS8wtJ6CFo5WzLAXP3q6uMZv11vBzyOeRQGXaUWQhUPk_dmQdnBuiIsEtVCXSIrmunr21Azoh.DCk8HlB_RPb4JBAF61ShNqtjFJPrW1N403FZ.n36y.gVRDeH76zKu1iaBCy7bUGrAD_YBize8kWtTYPSEKjdojKjnnSFNkiJDF3B56vGh7ym2UfJKzrfbi2_PqhfVasbR7rWHhOgzq90wEnrhlCg8- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:21:27 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8bf118410912220547m5e4d0e60o527fcb87c62010d9@mail.gmail.com> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: RE: LF: QOA? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA834C.B890C910" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.0 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600d4b3138b45ee0 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA834C.B890C910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How about ZAC? http://www.kloth.net/radio/zcodes.php Season's greetings and good DX 73, Dave G3WCB -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Dave Pick Sent: 22 December 2009 13:48 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: QOA? I think we need to get some badges made with QOA on them! Merry Christmas all. Dave G3YXM 2009/12/22 Petr Mal=FD Hi Lowfers, I looked for some Q-codes recently and one of them struck my eyes. Do you know what QOA means? It means "can you/I can work telegraphy on 500kHz". 73 and have a nice X-mass, Petr, OK1FIG __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4708 (20091222) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA834C.B890C910 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
How=20 about ZAC?
 
 
 
Season's greetings and good DX
 
73,=20 Dave G3WCB
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Dave= =20 Pick
Sent: 22 December 2009 13:48
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF:=20 QOA?

I think we need to get some badges made wit= h QOA on=20 them!

Merry Christmas all.

Dave G3YXM

2009/12/22 Petr Mal=FD <= p.maly@gmc.net>
Hi Lowfers,
 
I looked for some Q-codes recentl= y and one of=20 them struck my eyes.
Do you know what QOA means?
It means "can you/I can work tele= graphy on=20 500kHz".
 
73 and have a nice X-mass, Petr,= =20 OK1FIG


__________ Information from ESET NOD32= Antivirus,=20 version of virus signature database 4708 (20091222) __________
=
The=20 message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.

http://www.eset.com



--
G3YXM IO= 92BK Birmingham UK
------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA834C.B890C910-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de10.mx.aol.com (rly-de10.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.146]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE073-5094b2bb1e93c2; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:46:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE104-5094b2bb1e93c2; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:46:35 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLftV-0003gh-4V for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:41:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLftU-0003gY-PN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:41:32 +0000 Received: from mail-yx0-f203.google.com ([209.85.210.203]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLfwL-0005Io-3r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:44:31 +0000 Received: by yxe41 with SMTP id 41so10159928yxe.30 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 08:44:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=+SQpwi3gNgSjdy476NK3XQacNhX+g0aOMSAzR3b2hNQ=; b=J5qv+1zQN1DYvT5rALfYc+1IV8wPqZJR81uVZpPt97b9de1T+cCoJIqB6Epm0i50+U eXhyiKSPLKbejC7Yp5OWI2rijpsWYf5z7j7RE/EP0ICcl1n54qyfZa2lJQ/LQDDmHjWB zaoznhAkbNGp5d0xstkhDEummq+kaMwbj+unc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=H31Z3LZ/mJ+r/62N9UOa3geS9wb4liXnJ1Ce87hcz4QyDz5wZje3WkM96k3FufVPaw hwpE10/ntuPfKX4+yahWoqUvmz5U31YVU9AVmjxpasPErMruAtFJEa2CxK6TRC9XjVas 5qMHUJvGgIAJoVgKikYvKiM06dh1r2Gcy13Qc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.9.5 with SMTP id 5mr6742457ybi.31.1261154697971; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 08:44:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <573323820EB74A7CBE1147662C7C100D@ns94d01ae4d850> References: <573323820EB74A7CBE1147662C7C100D@ns94d01ae4d850> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:44:57 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca70912180844k42fc81a7w3853297c3fa92c12@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: xgj 18-12.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d253.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Thank you Henny for the capture! -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2009/12/18 henny van elst : > Hi Warren,LF > Capture XGJ > Henny cpm > best 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > xgj 18-12.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen > het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. > Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe > bijlagen worden afgehandeld. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.19]) by air-da01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA013-86394b3936e0c5; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:53:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BF0B23800013B; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:53:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPORu-00079Q-Hq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:52:26 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPORu-00079H-3f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:52:26 +0000 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPORq-0005Wd-Pn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:52:26 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiEFACPFOEtZ8FCI/2dsb2JhbACNOwbGUIQzBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,464,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="242021211" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.240.80.136]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2009 22:52:00 +0000 Message-ID: <00b501ca8810$5d64ecb0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:51:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: 502,55 kHz tonight. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B0_01CA8810.3F6A3620" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60134b3936df6297 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01CA8810.3F6A3620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael Cfm your report. QRL at present with XGR/6=20 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M. Sanders=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 10:41 PM Subject: LF: 502,55 kHz tonight. To All LF / G3KEV? Tonight started listening on 600m and copied slow CW by ear (compute= r psu still makes to much noise on 500kHz) 502,55kHz 22:27UTC: G3KEV XGR Please confirm transmission so I'll know I am on the right track imp= roving my station Rx for 500kHz. Kind regards, best 73's, Michael, PC4M ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01CA8810.3F6A3620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Michael
Cfm your report.
QRL at present with XGR/6
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M. Sander= s
Sent: Monday, December 28, 20= 09 10:41=20 PM
Subject: LF: 502,55 kHz tonig= ht.

To All LF / G3KEV?
 
Tonight started listening on 600m= and copied slow=20 CW by ear (computer psu still makes to much nois= e on=20 500kHz)
 
 
502,55kHz 22:27UTC: G3KEV XGR<= /FONT>
 
Please confirm transmission so I'll= know I am on=20 the right track improving my station Rx for 500kHz.
 
Kind regards, best 73's,
 
Michael, PC4M
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01CA8810.3F6A3620-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME094-9c64b2f5ba129e; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 06:27:42 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME072-9c64b2f5ba129e; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 06:27:31 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMgKD-00017f-BX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:21:17 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMgKC-00017W-Tl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:21:16 +0000 Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.42]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMgPE-00028M-L9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:26:29 +0000 Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nBLBQKJI005268 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 06:26:20 -0500 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.d09.574f4ab7 (34982) for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 06:26:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from Black (e179126108.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.179.126.108]) by cia-da08.mx.aol.com (v127.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA087-88a64b2f5b54ad; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 06:26:13 -0500 Message-ID: <37561FC472594BC4B5A88090C60F461F@Black> From: "Markus Vester" To: References: <035375487725449FBCB051DF5928E886@ns94d01ae4d850> In-Reply-To: <035375487725449FBCB051DF5928E886@ns94d01ae4d850> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 12:26:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: grabber Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA8238.C5487500" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA8238.C5487500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Henny, my pleasure - we have to thank Wolfgang for all the little extra featu= res in SpecLab. Here are some daytime fieldstrength estimates from this morning: 09:27 dj8wx 2 uV/m 09:27 pa3cpm 1.1 uV/m 09:32 oe5odl 2.3 uV/m (qrp 3 watts)=20 10:10 g3xiz 0.6 uV/m 11:15 dj6gt 1.7 uV/m Best wishes, Markus ----- Original Message -----=20 From: henny van elst=20 To: blacksheep=20 Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 11:55 AM Subject: LF: grabber Hello Marcus, I have on this moment only one frequentie,it is the ropex, thank You= for the private grabber Marcus, Henny pa3cpm pa3cpm best 73s ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA8238.C5487500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Henny,
 
my pleasure - we have to thank= Wolfgang for=20 all the little extra features in SpecLab.
 
Here are some daytime fieldstrength&n= bsp;estimates=20 from this morning:
 
09:27 dj8wx 2 uV/m
09:27 pa3cpm 1.1 uV/m
09:32 oe5odl 2.3 uV/m (qrp 3=20 watts) 
10:10 g3xiz 0.6 uV/m
11:15 dj6gt 1.7 uV/m
 
Best wishes,
Markus
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 21, 20= 09 11:55=20 AM
Subject: LF: grabber
=
Hello Marcus,
I have on this moment only one freq= uentie,it is=20 the ropex, thank You for the priv= ate grabber=20 Marcus,
 
Henny pa3cpm
pa3cpm
best 73s
<= /BODY> ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA8238.C5487500-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db03.mx.aol.com (rly-db03.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.78]) by air-db10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB101-ab64b2665091e1; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:17:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB034-ab64b2665091e1; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:17:16 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKDZa-0004LP-Gi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:14:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKDZa-0004LC-1w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:14:58 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKDaW-00060e-RH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:15:59 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3529.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 71FE51C0008C for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:16:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3529.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5BE4C1C00091 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:16:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk (unknown [91.107.168.205]) by mwinf3529.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0A6271C0008C for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:16:01 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20091214161602427.0A6271C0008C@mwinf3529.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:15:38 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: David Pratt References: <000a01ca7cd5$f79adc40$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <000a01ca7cd5$f79adc40$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-M () X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: DIODE Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) In a recent message, mal hamilton wrote ... >MF Grp >Does anyone have spec for a BTY 96 UM=A0or BTY 98. Looks like a Big Amp >carrying=A0device I have the data sheets for the BTY95 and BTY99 from the Mullard=20 Technical Handbook, but they are Thyristors if that is a clue. 73 David G4DMP --=20 +- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | David M Pratt, Kippax, Leeds, UK | | http://www.g4dmp.co.uk | +- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (rly-ma06.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.50]) by air-ma09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA094-8b44b1fb3785d; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:26:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA066-8b44b1fb3785d; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:26:02 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NINTY-00029F-V5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:25:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NINTY-000296-Db for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:25:08 +0000 Received: from web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.127]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NINTY-0003JW-8f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:25:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 94600 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Dec 2009 14:25:02 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1260368702; bh=A/nudo5sxt39CJHM+ujT/Cse1paM65yB1fTzXDI6YMQ=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BhIAiVXZMFuSB2CuEs653ORqDCMkxIfXsXbidPjMzYSY8ePoD72rgq4qD8hFz5iRwS8yDYpl+34/4fL6D4/WUoc5GuBW++htWjvPmSUfMz9A49u/yjzNYwVFLC/Ome0Q2MPul5ZTmJETeNKbWx2N8kXioAJXkNdQs5cCGqr4HEY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=M28nfLgjvev7vlKoWSMbve7TTzlDc8H9ILUYXJI2rm953IYT0JJL2LnjolTFiImRaaS5hNtzWxnW2pAiXd8iZPhrvOMXJZtKdoDvNR085SUKvX1iOr5nAlXRtVL5EDKUFZ7foYnLCef3fOhCeSzJ32L6UZXcuvcLeYUSEyn7aUc=; Message-ID: <172358.94131.qm@web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: XzfHsfgVM1mL605ufJ_jCBq4nY0HHaLyJixV8h7aXr_cm6W3ue7jY_q8O8GlkAEFvhkTmQOffEYDmulJTu04gdgfULyVJtKW6TpKa9je.45ebBd4oHHvwh8fCyngXyZtImD4mQtjJyql57fYTT2D8w1YfkTfnBUG2szw1lHOKwpd.zqumHRTrl_JfjJ9o2S91uFLrbdh9fvB71JhHw0zAwvdBGIcxCbw47Vzv.8pBJJazmKJHmxy6SFYfLPhqoiuJrrTuE1vSfQnMRNTqho- Received: from [86.152.84.183] by web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 06:25:01 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 06:25:01 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4B1FAEF7.3020706@telia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: SAQ Testing Now Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1199746583-1260368701=:94131" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m224.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-1199746583-1260368701=:94131 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes I can see the backwave clearly here abt 5db above the noise the carrie= r is dead on 17.2 now with very little pulling. =A0FB signal up also but= drops with CW keying. Really loud now!!!! about 23 dB over my noise floor= . =A0 73 petefmt --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Johan H. Bodin wrote: From: Johan H. Bodin Subject: Re: LF: SAQ Testing Now To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 14:06 Horst St=F6cker wrote: > SAQ seems to continue testing now . . . Yes. My QTH is only 80km from SAQ so I can easily hear the "backwave" signal which is about 17dB below key-down power. As a few kilowatts are leaking out when the TX is idling, I am able to hear when they adjust the r.p.m. even with key up! Here is some nice aerial photography (in a double sense!) of SAQ: http://www.hitta.se/LargeMap.aspx?ShowTraffic=3Dfalse&Filter=3D378&ShowSat= ellite=3Dtrue&cx=3D6337105&cy=3D1293998&z=3D10&tip=3D1 Click on zoom[10] to find the transmitter building and then zoom out and pan to look at the whole station. The logperiodic antenna just above the north corner of the TX building is made by Rohde & Schwarz, I believe. The FM/TV station of Varberg is located near tower #3 (counting from the TX building). 73 Johan SM6LKM =20 --0-1199746583-1260368701=:94131 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes I can see the backwave clearly her= e abt 5db above the noise the carrier is dead on 17.2 now with very little= pulling.  FB signal up also but drops with CW keying. Really loud no= w!!!! about 23 dB over my noise floor.
 
73 petefmt

--- On Wed, 9/12/09, Johan H. Bodin <jh.bo= din@telia.com> wrote:

From: Johan H. Bodin <jh.bodin@telia.com>= ;
Subject: Re: LF: SAQ Testing Now
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<= BR>Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 14:06

Horst St=F6cker wrote:
> SAQ seems to continu= e testing now . . .

Yes. My QTH is only 80km from SAQ so I can easi= ly hear the "backwave"
signal which is about 17dB below key-down power.= As a few kilowatts are
leaking out when the TX is idling, I am able to= hear when they adjust
the r.p.m. even with key up!

Here is some= nice aerial photography (in a double sense!) of SAQ:

http://www.hitta.se/LargeMap.aspx?ShowTraffic=3Dfals= e&Filter=3D378&ShowSatellite=3Dtrue&cx=3D6337105&cy=3D1293= 998&z=3D10&tip=3D1

Click on zoom[10] to find the transm= itter building and then zoom out and
pan to look at the whole station.= The logperiodic antenna just above the
north corner of the TX building= is made by Rohde & Schwarz, I believe.
The FM/TV station of Varberg is located near tower #3 (counti= ng from the
TX building).

73
Johan SM6LKM



=20 --0-1199746583-1260368701=:94131-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df06.mx.aol.com (rly-df06.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.19]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF072-5584b2a260a65; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 07:37:39 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF063-5584b2a260a65; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 07:37:31 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLFXz-0004UP-TO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:33:35 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLFXz-0004UG-E3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:33:35 +0000 Received: from web86507.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.132]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLFak-0004Bi-1i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:36:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 11815 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2009 12:36:20 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1261053380; bh=wt5IuWXIU0cHUD6pZkyniLd8G3k1cp1lm+4h+Bnhx5I=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XySkpQlos7uoDqxUqQ5G71z4AoAZ2flYk5SP6XnxMyUhS48r6YRw1tnWuBQH9TkXtNJtIrrkItY/WcVvqt7ERk6ZEH5+qbynr1Tb/Nut6qkDtmJqATfOpUxXj9MTEF94ewgKMCJB8Gp1xRYnC9YLjDuqzS30P+nfxyuBVpagBe4= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NMrAccjsVmm17XtfXXxQ3vC89bjcPYX+xtidSyGdWIhjKK8WJHo9ZQoWIv0TPuAQ9UrHxDSbzeTi2YMEBNAzER4Rj7w8zRbNsQMdpc2l0r+VuK4+CwIe2uwh6lBZ0gRK0QqsmnEz8yi1Tf+2srclM16qYsG5UmSrtW1gc0oFoyw=; Message-ID: <702467.6526.qm@web86507.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: DxrEleEVM1lAs9Po8VNGwJpdiR4Wptt4jBnYeAge3T2czFQoYs8kVyNMz3py6nuESVKbfvT2CqsTHS0JqXHB1poSTppoVbqsJVvCO0Z5vTRNgI9w7Ixxf8RW81jdJ5ytMjMP7L_26cZGtybLYochjYZdtUNQsiw8t6dqB8n4SFO6rl7zcphEdpRDmX2QsX6s1xvRtRtP88yGv2WB7tTlYXSxUl0Lcc3vt_9v2iQm9MeyY56SPEfwCbWoocLCeZ68YLSWTn8bqTvTXO8DdHuZzQQFsop.PHKPLX_2zwjKM_ifWkLqOPKC4GEGqqC7waM- Received: from [213.122.63.29] by web86507.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:36:20 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:36:20 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <20091217110355.6828A31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Fw: DE KU4XR - [NZ4O Spaceweather] Some Solar Cycle 24 Firsts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m274.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass Hi Rik please watch Dst index for a measure the severity and rate of retur= n of good conditions :-)) Alan G3NYK =20 --- On Thu, 17/12/09, Rik Strobbe wrote: > From: Rik Strobbe > Subject: Re: LF: Fw: DE KU4XR - [NZ4O Spaceweather] Some Solar Cycle 24= Firsts > To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" > Date: Thursday, 17 December, 2009, 11:03 > Can someone please stop this ;-) > It will spoil propagation on LF/MF >=20 > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >=20 > At 15:53 16/12/2009, you wrote: >=20 > >Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. > >LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29866 KHz ( QRSS-60 ) > >Coordinates: N: 35* 43' 54" - W: 84* > 3' 16" > >http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr > >http://webpages.charter.net/ku4xr/ > > > > > >--- On Wed, 12/16/09, Thomas F. Giella NZ4O > wrote: > > > > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o4.htm > > > > > > Sunspot group #11035 near N30W13 has grown into > the largest > > > (seven times larger than the Earth) and > most magnetically complex > > > (beta-gamma) sunspot group of solar cycle > 24. At 0102 UTC the sunspot > > > group released a small C5.3 solar flare, > the largest solar flare of > > > Solar cycle 24. More small C class=20 > solar flares are possible, with a > > > chance for an isolated medium size M > class solar flare. > > > > > > #11035 also produced the first partially > geoeffective (Earth facing) > > > coronal mass ejection (CME) of solar cycle > 24. The CME will arrive > > > at Earth in a approximately two days and > could spark a geomagnetic > > > storm and visible aurora. Another > geoeffective CME is possible, with an > > > associated sudden ionosphere disturbance (SID) > and shortwave fadeout > > > > > > The sunspot count is 38 which is the highest of > solar cycle 24. The > > > solar flux index is 82 which is tied for the > highest SFI of solar > > > Cycle 24. With the increased sunspot count we > should see improved > > > propagation conditions on 15 and 12 meters. > > > > > > 73, GUD DX, Merry X-mas & Happy New Year, > > > Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O > > > Lakeland, FL, USA > > > nz4o@arrl.net > > > eList Owner/Moderator > > > John 3:16 <>< > > > > > > COL LF/MF/HF/VHF/UHF Frequency Radiowave > Propagation Email > > > Reflector: > > > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/spaceweather > > > NZ4O Daily Solar Space Weather & Geomagnetic > Data > > > Archive: > > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o1.htm > > > NZ4O Solar Space Weather & Geomagnetic Data > In Graphic > > > & Image Format: > > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o2.htm > > > NZ4O Daily LF/MF/HF/6M Frequency Radiowave > Propagation > > > Forecast & Archive: > > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o3.htm > > > NZ4O Solar Cycle 24 Forecast Discussion & > Archive: > > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o4.htm > > > NZ4O 160 Meter Radio Propagation Theory Notes: > > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o5.htm > > > NZ4O Solar Space Weather & Geomagnetic Raw > Forecast > > > Data Links: > > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o6.htm > > > Harmful Man Induced Climate Change (Global > Warming) > > > Refuted: > > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/globalwarminglie.htm > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Spaceweather mailing list > > > Spaceweather@contesting.com > > > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/spaceweather > > > > > > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (rly-dc03.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.32]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC023-b114b193c5e132; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:44:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC035-b114b193c5e132; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:44:17 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGbFU-0008HL-EV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:43:16 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGbFT-0008HA-Bk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:43:15 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGbFQ-0006rN-7J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:43:15 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (co02-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDFDE13413C for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 16:43:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps01.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.136] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.58V) with ESMTP id XID838NLDqrF4665X02; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:43:05 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.136 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps01.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID838NLDqrF4665X02 Received: from [192.168.1.3] [151.47.209.234] by cmsapps01.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 047NLDqrc3872M36; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:43:02 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.209.234 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.3] Message-ID: <4B193C13.7060400@usa.net> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:42:59 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001e01ca74ec$b9770790$6402a8c0@e7010> In-Reply-To: <001e01ca74ec$b9770790$6402a8c0@e7010> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID047NLDqrc3872X36 X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=1.639,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.001 Subject: LF: Activity on 500 kHz Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------000801040603060909000101" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_04, HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_06,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,MIME_HTML_ONLY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --------------000801040603060909000101 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some activity recorded on the 500 kHz band this afternoon.

DI2AG :



DI2AM in QRSS3



OK0EMW in QRSS3   at 505091 Hz (abt) in JN88ks


(some QSB...)



73  Alberto  I2PHD


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(rly-dd04.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.151]) by air-dd04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD042-b764b280d4a173; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:27:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD048-b764b280d4a173; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:27:24 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKfnz-0003C8-2N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:23:43 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKfny-0003Bz-Fp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:23:42 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKfpq-00072s-L7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:25:40 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3516.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP 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autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009A_01CA7DD5.80EE3000" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01CA7DD5.80EE3000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gus ..did you finish the work on the Ae system, pity no copy= in to Kabul ! 73 - G ..=20 From: Gus=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 9:56 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9 Graham, Gus run 3 W ERP. de Gus ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:19 PM Subject: Re: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9 Is Gus running 3 watts to the Ae or 3 watts ERP ? G ..=20 From: Anton B=E4rtschi=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 7:13 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9 The SM6BHZ Beacon on 600m is 579 here tonight. Not bad for 3W.=20 Why WSPR when CW works fine? What a wonderfull band! 73 de Toni, HB9ASB ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01CA7DD5.80EE3000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Gus  ..did  you  fi= nish the =20 work on the Ae system, pity  no copy in to  Kabul !
 
73 - G ..

From: Gus
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9

Graham,
 
Gus run 3=20 W ERP.
 
de Gus
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Sent: Tuesday, December 15,= 2009 10:19=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: SM6BHZ stron= g in=20 HB9

Is Gus  running  3 watts&= nbsp; to=20 the  Ae or  3 watts  ERP ?
 
G ..

Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 7:13 PM
Subject: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9

The SM6BHZ Beacon on 600m is 579 here tonight. Not ba= d for 3W.=20
Why WSPR when CW works fine? What a wonderfull band!
73 de To= ni,=20 HB9ASB




------=_NextPart_000_009A_01CA7DD5.80EE3000-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf01.mx.aol.com (rly-mf01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.171]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF083-93d4b1b89c019f; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 05:39:02 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF013-93d4b1b89c019f; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 05:38:57 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHEV4-0003p2-KA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:37:58 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHEV4-0003ot-3m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:37:58 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHEV2-0007br-JS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:37:58 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.2]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091206103751.OYTT17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:37:51 +0000 Received: from [81.109.251.184] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHEUw-0002nC-PH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:37:51 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <002801ca765e$f543b8e0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:37:48 -0000 Message-ID: <014901ca7660$280f74c0$0317aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: Acp2Xx8lk/es8ehdTA+JpXAivDKBWwAALnEg In-Reply-To: <002801ca765e$f543b8e0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1ggfb5FlKZQUfF3vzm9UBYZ2uTfLsbs/8dSljwg5+mE= c=1 sm=0 a=G3HjZlJWFUjfCc0tRmUA:9 a=i64hDNs-1bkOaJpLtfj4uO9NRckA:4 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=vpyTknAUggP642LdSNwA:9 a=XawM3DxXBqa5azPjD-4A:7 a=ULq_Lv7kDhRWrbU7DflQf70NKiQA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: 500 pirate Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_014A_01CA7660.280F74C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_014A_01CA7660.280F74C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ooaarr Jim lad!! Pieces of 8 Mal - u r clear at my qth and I called back on CWup (unusual procedure). Glad you copied me, I will add your QTH to my list of stations reached Thanks for the email QSL Best regards Jim G7NKS (New Key Sender?) ------=_NextPart_000_014A_01CA7660.280F74C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ooa= arr Jim lad!!   Pieces of 8

 

Mal=   - u r clear at my qth and I called back on CWup (unusual procedure).  Glad you copi= ed me, I will add your QTH to my list of stations reached

 

Tha= nks for the email QSL

 

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Jim= G7NKS (New Key Sender?)

------=_NextPart_000_014A_01CA7660.280F74C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (rly-dc04.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.33]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC024-b194b155c54196; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:11:47 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC045-b194b155c54196; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:11:34 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFXAr-0002LM-N0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:10:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFXAr-0002LD-Ao for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:10:05 +0000 Received: from mbox1.netikka.net ([213.250.81.202]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFXAq-0000n4-GF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:10:05 +0000 Received: from tupu.netikka.net (tupu [172.16.83.90]) by mbox1-feedback.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BA132717FD for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:09:58 +0200 (EET) Received: from imp1.netikka.net (imp1.netikka.net [213.250.85.154]) by tupu.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5879F4B0060 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:09:58 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imp1.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 843B2495BD4 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:09:58 +0200 (EET) Received: from 558602b6.adsl.multi.fi (558602b6.adsl.multi.fi [85.134.2.182]) by imp.netikka.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:09:58 +0200 Message-ID: <1259690998.4b155bf680314@imp.netikka.net> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:09:58 +0200 From: Paul-Henrik To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3FCC9C19DE674B15A385181E7EFC37C1@Black>, <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAC5@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B152CAB.4987.61D1EE@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4B152CAB.4987.61D1EE@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 85.134.2.182 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: any traffic this evening? Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="-MOQ125969099813685cffe3272d50840f0bae388ba644" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 ---MOQ125969099813685cffe3272d50840f0bae388ba644 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Mike, LF Both visible and audible here despite no CW filter and fierce BC IMD. IC-R75 & Mini Whip @ 6m AGL 73 Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ Vaasa / KP03SD Quoting Mike Dennison : > Stefan, I can transmit a QRSS3 beacon for you on 136.318kHz from 1800 > to 2100UTC, if you like. > > Mike, G3XDV > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > > Will there be any activity this evening? I want to try my RX-Antenna > > and need some signals, if possible in QRSS3/DFCW3. If it will, I would > > drive to "my" hill and do some tests. It would be at around 19 utc. > > > > > > > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > > > > > > ---MOQ125969099813685cffe3272d50840f0bae388ba644 Content-Type: image/pjpeg; name="G3XDV_20091201_1805UTC.JPG" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="G3XDV_20091201_1805UTC.JPG" /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQEAYABgAAD/2wBDAAgGBgcGBQgHBwcJCQgKDBQNDAsLDBkSEw8UHRofHh0a HBwgJC4nICIsIxwcKDcpLDAxNDQ0Hyc5PTgyPC4zNDL/2wBDAQkJCQwLDBgNDRgyIRwhMjIyMjIy MjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjL/wAARCAAeAU4DASIA AhEBAxEB/8QAHwAAAQUBAQEBAQEAAAAAAAAAAAECAwQFBgcICQoL/8QAtRAAAgEDAwIEAwUFBAQA AAF9AQIDAAQRBRIhMUEGE1FhByJxFDKBkaEII0KxwRVS0fAkM2JyggkKFhcYGRolJicoKSo0NTY3 ODk6Q0RFRkdISUpTVFVWV1hZWmNkZWZnaGlqc3R1dnd4eXqDhIWGh4iJipKTlJWWl5iZmqKjpKWm p6ipqrKztLW2t7i5usLDxMXGx8jJytLT1NXW19jZ2uHi4+Tl5ufo6erx8vP09fb3+Pn6/8QAHwEA AwEBAQEBAQEBAQAAAAAAAAECAwQFBgcICQoL/8QAtREAAgECBAQDBAcFBAQAAQJ3AAECAxEEBSEx BhJBUQdhcRMiMoEIFEKRobHBCSMzUvAVYnLRChYkNOEl8RcYGRomJygpKjU2Nzg5OkNERUZHSElK 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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CA78CA.5299F9B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me09.mx.aol.com (rly-me09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.43]) by air-me10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME103-9d74b17b26f306; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:43:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME093-9d74b17b26f306; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:43:29 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGB0g-0001gP-Sy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:42:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGB0g-0001gG-IB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:42:14 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.34]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGB0f-0004xg-Un for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:42:14 +0000 Received: from pc1 (ndb.demon.nl [82.161.81.65]) by smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nB3CgCWg052012 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:42:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:42:10 -0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Roelof Bakker" MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <1259777260.4b16acec27aa8@imp.netikka.net> <4B179D08.3030706@ukonline.co.uk> Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4B179D08.3030706@ukonline.co.uk> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.63 (Win32) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: LF, reducing common-mode noise Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Peter, Have you also been looking into the performance of bifiliar wound common mode chokes, e.g. 15 turns on the popular FT-37-43 Amidon ferrite toroid? These come in handy for receiver applications. Best regards, Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me01.mx.aol.com (rly-me01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.34]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME013-99c4b197d17311; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:20:34 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME018-99c4b197d17311; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:20:24 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGfYq-0002SJ-JC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:19:32 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGfYq-0002SA-5M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:19:32 +0000 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([195.4.92.90]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGfYp-0000cO-Eo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:19:32 +0000 Received: from [195.4.92.22] (helo=12.mx.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.70 #1) id 1NGfYo-00068n-NV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:19:30 +0100 Received: from g230105202.adsl.alicedsl.de ([92.230.105.202]:1416 helo=[192.168.0.100]) by 12.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #94) id 1NGfYo-0001jX-I8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:19:30 +0100 Message-ID: <4B197CE1.8020106@freenet.de> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:19:29 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Wolfgang_B=FCscher?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB4A@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Active Antenna Preamp of Bernd/DF8ZR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) No, it's not. At least not here. 73, Wolf. Tracey Gardner schrieb: > The URL is an invalid one > > Tracey From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.222]) by air-mg10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG101-8c624b35e83565; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 05:40:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F270A38000127; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 05:40:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOU3v-0004u0-Eg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:39:55 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOU3v-0004tr-34 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:39:55 +0000 Received: from msa-k1.u-netsurf.ne.jp ([202.233.11.14]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp>) id 1NOU3s-0003pR-TU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:39:55 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.5] (d25.HkanagawaFL59.vectant.ne.jp [122.103.154.25]) by msa-k1.u-netsurf.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CD0B34DAD for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:39:49 +0900 (JST) From: Rick Wakatori <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <6EFC885C8DAB4DC3A8454505BAF5D3A7@ns94d01ae4d850> References: <6EFC885C8DAB4DC3A8454505BAF5D3A7@ns94d01ae4d850> Organization: RLL Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:39:49 +0900 Message-Id: <1261823989.6451.9.camel@vaio3rd> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=9DWA=22?= beacon received at 503kHz. Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60de4b35e83454f0 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Using WSPR, I heard "WA" beacon in CW or QRSS at around 503kHz. The signal was visible on the screen during last night. Please let me know the callsign and the QTH? Rick -- -.. . --... .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-. 7L1RLL under ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP) URL=http://www1.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html -..--- -.- .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-... ...-. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (rly-dg01.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.85]) by air-dg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG024-5a14b14e9cd6; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 05:03:09 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG016-5a14b14e9cd6; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 05:02:55 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFPYO-0001Lw-KJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:01:52 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFPYO-0001Ln-43 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:01:52 +0000 Received: from mcgi66.rambler.ru ([81.19.67.202]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFPYL-0000zP-Qw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:01:52 +0000 Received: from mcgi66.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mcgi66.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D3F511598 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:01:44 +0300 (MSK) Received: from [91.77.91.6] by mcgi66.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:01:39 +0300 From: Roman RW3ADB To: Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:01:39 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <4B140806.10012.1E82610@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com>, <622008509.1259614024.60767016.44464@mcgi69.rambler.ru> <4B14340A.19336.294139D@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Message-Id: <184284307.1259661699.51648184.51749@mcgi66.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (untone), http://mail.rambler.ru X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: DX test 136.318kHz Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Mike! NIL for today. * Mike Dennison [Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:07:22 -0000]: > Roman, > > Thanks but I get an error message on that web address. What is a browser? http://qrss.nm.ru/ http://qrss.nm.ru/grabber.html Try again pse. Advertising pop up window on the main page qrss.nm.ru from the nm.ru company. > Mike > ==== > > > Hi Mike! > > Started my grabber on for the night overview. > > qrss.nm.ru > > > > * Mike Dennison [Mon, 30 Nov 2009 > > 17:59:34 -0000]: > I will be transmitting "XDV" overnight (1800 - 0900 > > UTC) tonight > using QRSS60 on 136.3180kHz. DX reports are welcome. > > > > Mike. G3XDV > ========== > > > > > > > -- > > Roman RW3ADB. > > > > > > > -- Roman RW3ADB. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db08.mx.aol.com (rly-db08.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.83]) by air-db08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB083-add4b1fe738127; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:06:55 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB083-add4b1fe738127; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:06:50 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIQuk-0003yh-9O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:05:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIQuj-0003yY-On for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:05:25 +0000 Received: from n61.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com ([98.136.44.37]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIQuj-0004rT-6J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:05:25 +0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n61.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2009 18:05:17 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.225] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2009 18:05:17 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.251] by t6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2009 18:05:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp412.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2009 18:05:17 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 773452.92398.bm@omp412.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 97510 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2009 18:05:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=JBKsCgOdSdLtIPnF75mc4si2VUp1LTKHCDWNE9XmwuN3xLKmR3U1T6S4Pi0iwoJlKTB8hEViTvHBqhnICIlS8lZdFWFPziJaEeFEpmm0RkfngjoHCa+hLMynlPMAxVuRtPRD6a2gNgKhV1jURlgtvhNKvCPrlUHJgc8uLhirFPk= ; Received: from host86-168-83-155.range86-168.btcentralplus.com (ken.h.wright@86.168.83.155 with login) by smtp148.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 09 Dec 2009 10:05:17 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9Y6mUHuswBAgnrOsukIiNdFDf95uy_Dz34nY1hlg2liKgYD952sjbg-- X-YMail-OSG: iF9YvLQVM1kaFrEoUje_nVUB.NKsGiJAjLaqIYgWCZqvz8ZnKQBnRva80kYACssbGwRwSBx8ievddunthv3bgrHn2MK_3aDhxWU9RTLTiDDUQC6YIotnQITEP9C62WCcBGlJkKPszajNSil42B_0rzSmJoASTRoWhCBgCmmR_o7T8WTzriPQbDb4SJTkf3wZMQZiaqVg9N0AacyxiQEEMhueovgVq7A0PXPAdXic6.PNrlIopJ5ACAECJ0x8VM_HAPeQCpGsXiDpPCJmPJ1Ca4mOXC7S1K1yDxy9cwTCK7WsvrgQGzhH4.94AAPrJY_p7IpAgVzoAeXLvRyQ1NP53bg2X9e99jzrZt.UpoDvQCydRqLc3uZPe34N0n9OP_hhdTXcBjsXYdFU.p12iFhBZRHv.N4QtnsBAAc- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <0B974CFD9D2443C5B7DB7BFC84DF640C@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <8B303A7ED38945AB81CCE7216314C304@lindavideo> <000901ca78f6$b1cc61d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 18:05:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Mal. I think my 500kHz Tx cost about 30, including aluminium sheet, Powdered Iron rings, a small vernier dial and one or two dead FETs. 73 Ken M0KHW ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 5:40 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: TX-2200A > Ken > Its certainly an expensive appliance. My 500 tx was built from the junk > box. > The xtals are 1945/50 vintage. > The FET came out of an old marine tx. > My IC 706 has output on 500 and just needs a filter to clean the sig up > and > a FET amp added to get some qro rf out.This rig then covers from 500 kcs - > 146mcs all mode capability and costs less. > de mal/g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 5:09 PM > Subject: LF: Re: TX-2200A > > >> More appliance operators Mal? >> >> 73 >> Ken >> M0KHW >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Warren Ziegler" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 3:30 PM >> Subject: LF: TX-2200A >> >> >> > Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 >> > Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver >> > muting. >> > Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! >> > >> > http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf >> > >> > >> > >> > 73 Warren K2ORS >> > WD2XGJ >> > WD2XSH/23 >> > WE2XEB/2 >> > WE2XGR/1 >> > >> >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf06.mx.aol.com (rly-mf06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.176]) by air-mf06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF062-96a4b16c124213; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:34:09 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF068-96a4b16c124213; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:33:58 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFuwu-000781-LU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:33:16 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFuwu-00077r-3j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:33:16 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFuwr-0007pX-NP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:33:16 +0000 Received: by pwi15 with SMTP id 15so369806pwi.4 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:33:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=va1ZP65am5eQYb7oLIpgm4VDXlGd94avjQWHMKpI0Es=; b=df9tUE/4MXZKIluM/TwOHiWe04FxH5mPfd/vHfK3DU3JWZMV327E+hnLgganQO1hyY SSvaTF4dVkLoktSnc6+NnwByOvLQAYZ9dH8laE8pqEGh/DFzbA9jOCfmCY3EttKoCRp7 uSIK6yyQtZ9WL7KMYFJRfhZzT4IJzXwh7qHJ8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=KzjCbkD+qNxprktKeZtcqwFdQAaXPCsYaz0DKHi6BbL9imFdQns++pfZhSSBAUTndC vk1lCR2CKI2xCGTOYl+ybq2vZdGvbLj30Z6OPuXicZNaIEVVe29K+pJlM0WqQO+BV+lF 3rP4Ib5ejNKhs3rZjp1sPsTT42G8a5cU0qz/Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.158.11 with SMTP id g11mr37702rve.33.1259782385199; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:33:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B16987B.9000002@usa.net> References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B16987B.9000002@usa.net> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:33:05 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8cabb7bf801740c1 Message-ID: <1f0624b90912021133v6a61a9dfkd07160d88b7d3a7e@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1465c906cd90479c3f18e X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m220.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1465c906cd90479c3f18e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alberto, LF, I tried that arrangement with my PA0RDT Mini-Whip active antenna inside a large baked beans can, the can being the antenna & the results were a lot poorer than the small 30mm x 45mm of the original design, I have also trie= d adding a 500mm whip to the original with poorer results also. So now I use the Mini-Whip as originally designed by Roelof. You can see the results on my grabbers. http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html 73 Gary - G4WGT. 2009/12/2 Alberto di Bene > Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > >> >> My Conclusion: It seems that a short receiving antenna can bee seen as= a >> capacitive divider out of the capacity between far field and antenna an= d the >> capacity between antenna and ground. If the wire length is to much, the >> input stage becomes nonlinear/goes into saturation. If the height above >> ground is increased the signal comes up, but not the signal/noise >> ratio(surely there will be a benefit if such an antenna is placed in a >> region with heavy local qrm. Then, the height should be increased and= the >> wire length can be decreased). So, one cannot say =93the more the bette= r=94 >> talking about the wire length! >> > > It would be quite interesting if somebody could try to use, instead of= a > wire, something > with a greater capacity towards ground, e.g. a can of beer (after drinki= ng > the beer, of course...:-) > One of half liter (slightly more than 1 pint) could do, I think... > > Maybe the increased capacity towards ground could make it more effective > than a wire > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > P.S. And the entire active antenna circuitry could be placed inside the > can... > > > > --000e0cd1465c906cd90479c3f18e Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alberto, LF,

I tried that arrangement with my PA0RDT Mi= ni-Whip active antenna inside a large baked beans can, the can being the= antenna & the results were a lot poorer than the small 30mm x 45mm of= the original design, I have also tried adding a 500mm whip to the origina= l with poorer results also. So now I use the Mini-Whip as originally desig= ned by Roelof. You can see the results on my grabbers.

73

Gary - G4WGT.

2009/1= 2/2 Alberto di Bene <dibene@usa.net>
Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote:

My Conclusion: It seems that a short receiving antenna can bee seen as a= capacitive divider out of the capacity between far field and antenna and= the capacity between antenna and ground. If the wire length is to much,= the input stage becomes nonlinear/goes into saturation. If the height abo= ve ground is increased the signal comes up, but not the signal/noise ratio= (surely there will be a benefit if such an antenna is placed in a region= with heavy local qrm. Then, the height should be increased and the wire= length can be decreased). So, one cannot say =93the more the better=94 ta= lking about the wire length!

It would be quite interesting if somebody could try to use, instead of a= wire, something
with a greater capacity towards ground, e.g. a can of beer (after drinking= the beer, of course...:-)
One of half liter (slightly more than 1 pint) could do, I think...

Maybe the increased capacity towards ground could make it more effective= than a wire

73 =A0Alberto =A0I2PHD

P.S. And the entire active antenna circuitry could be placed inside the ca= n...




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2009.12.26.162716 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: LF: LF/MF X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404c4b363bb457d9 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Why are the topics affecting 500 kHz not marked as "MF: ..." in the subjec= t? I thought this is the reason why we write "LF: ..." in the subject of mail= s affecting 137 kHZ? Or have I misunderstood "the rules"? Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da09.mx.aol.com (rly-da09.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.83]) by air-da09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA094-a8a4b19364cb9; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:18:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA092-a8a4b19364cb9; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:18:21 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGaqV-0007pp-9x for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:17:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGaqU-0007pg-Sw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:17:26 +0000 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGaqU-0005Nc-2r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:17:26 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsYEAAfFGEtcHB1d/2dsb2JhbACCJSuLTwbJJIQzBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,342,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="270589699" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([92.28.29.93]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Dec 2009 16:17:20 +0000 Message-ID: <001701ca74fd$41310540$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <59DC6AF25071476FA37B42E3896BC627@radiorummet> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 16:17:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01CA74FD.3FAC6110" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01CA74FD.3FAC6110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gus WSPR might be better at the bottom end of the band between 135.7 and= 136.4 khz well away from the CW area 136.6 - 137.5 khz=20 and EU QRSS 137.5 - 137.8 khz also DX window for NA de mal/g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gus=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:55 PM Subject: LF: WSPR on 137 kHz Hello LF-group, this evening i will transmit, WSPR on 137.650 kHz 136.150 kHz dial.= Power abt 50 mW ERP. Transmitter start at 16:00 GMT All reports are welcome. You can also log on,=20 www.sm6bhz.com 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01CA74FD.3FAC6110 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gus
WSPR might be better at the bottom en= d of the band=20 between 135.7 and 136.4 khz well away from the CW area 136.6 -=20 137.5 khz 
 and EU QRSS 137.5 - 137.8 khz= also DX window=20 for NA
 
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From:=20 Gus=
Sent: Friday, December 04, 20= 09 3:55=20 PM
Subject: LF: WSPR on 137 kHz<= /DIV>

Hello=20 LF-group,
this=20 evening i will transmit, WSPR on 137.650 kHz 136.150 kHz dial. Power abt 50 mW ERP.=
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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df06.mx.aol.com (rly-df06.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.19]) by air-df05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF054-55b4b23fa3b2b8; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:17:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF066-55b4b23fa3b2b8; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:17:01 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJYNv-0003Ok-AX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:16:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJYNv-0003Ob-0A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:16:11 +0000 Received: from sighthound.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.126]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJYO0-0002N4-9T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:16:18 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.4] (rx1.twatt.home [192.168.1.4]) by deerhound.twatt.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C7843B4B4 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:16:15 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4B23FA0F.9090802@sighthound.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:16:15 +0000 From: John P-G User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <01b701ca7b59$2df22470$0417aac0@desktop> In-Reply-To: <01b701ca7b59$2df22470$0417aac0@desktop> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G3KEV loud and clear at G7NKS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) James Cowburn wrote: > CQ QSK CQ QSK. Almost as if it were an unattended beacon...! From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (rly-mg10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.116]) by air-mg03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG032-a3c4b2d0a8ec2; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:17:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG106-a3c4b2d0a8ec2; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:17:04 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NM2qS-0002Mf-MC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:11:56 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NM2qS-0002MW-97 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:11:56 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.29]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NM2uT-0005NV-BD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:16:07 +0000 Received: from pc1 (ndb.demon.nl [82.161.81.65]) by smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBJHFwOT028561 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:16:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:15:54 -0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Roelof Bakker" MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <346854e9698cbf94f4483c66682bb63b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.63 (Win32) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear James, > I think the role of the ground with active whips is often neglected - > the output of the whip preamp is the voltage differential between the > whip element and the circuit ground, so the ground connection is just as > much part of the antenna as the whip element itself is. Clearly, an > electrically quiet ground is needed for the active whip, whether this is > provided by the coax feeder or a seperate local ground connection. It seems that the requirements for a ground connection are quite relaxed. I have tested a completely isolated system with the coax running horizontal tied to a non conduction mast and shoved out of an upstairs window. Signal strength received with the same system and the mast vertical mounted in the garden to put the antenna at the same location in space, was within one dB for a vertical polarised signal. I have also build a system with CAT5 cable as a balanced feeder. One twisted pair was used for RF, the other for power feed. At both ends of the RF pair rf-isolating transformers were used. This resulted in a very low local noise pick up. Using a common mode choke at the antenna end does not change anything at all either. My guess is that the antenna element is so small, that even a small (capacitive) coupling is good ebnough for a ground. Best regards, Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg06.mx.aol.com (rly-dg06.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.90]) by air-dg01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG013-5cf4b3667a7314; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 14:45:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG062-5cf4b3667a7314; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 14:44:40 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOcY6-0006xm-OV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:43:38 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOcY6-0006xd-2v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:43:38 +0000 Received: from outbound-jn.dca.untd.com ([64.136.47.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOcY3-0005yI-L9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:43:38 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=juno.com; s=alpha; t=1261856609; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=X-UNTD-OriginStamp:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:From; b=BgIK4jwgIk0f1jXJEZ8e4tkmu8JYkSUBY+AyreeYKJvZI6tmjaEHMtgXWPJ3icnJP OMggaYOU1X67X0FVgoGTbCv4uLq2VX+Jy6//YvqbwLQ1kCPFx7xyvLi1xHZgk/2kzX HpVhRKb4oeCMMO5arfBMy1Ao66dy1hrx4coO0ZVo= X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-jn.dca.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFVN33NAJX8T9J for (sender ); Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:42:36 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: g21GJOtXAsiQ/71APa81vpgcr++KzP/JZVuUlakNIKeQ3kH2HzrcMQ== Received: (from cw4ever4@juno.com) by m04.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id P2QW8L67; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:42:10 PST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 14:41:27 -0500 Message-ID: <20091226.144128.11516.4.cw4ever4@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.1.83 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,10,16-20,22-81 From: Robert H Reif X-UNTD-BodySize: 2880 X-ContentStamp: 31:15:3323041576 X-MAIL-INFO:318e6ec79e6e279e2727570fce57b3be5bb78a738adbf31b5b4fca674a170b17ca8bbf6eaea30fa38bce7b3be383e35a3fcf9b378733efaf8ebf8f0ebe7e4e9f037b3e3efb4b2fab3e03df433b3abec33b8a379b5ab7bba73b3f076a375e9f9f X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.dca.untd.com|cw4ever4@juno.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beacon & WSPR 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d267.2 ; domain : juno.com DKIM : pass Hello, Graham, Rik, and All, Joe K1JT was kind enough to modify the WSPR program to accommodate our long calls with the /. It takes two, 2 minute transmissions to send the full call, grid, and power. You may see decodes that look like <...> followed by the grid and/or power. WSPR has not decoded the call yet but only the second part of the complete message. With a marginal signal and fades, this may be all you will get. I don't know how long it stores the second half (or the first half) of the message to splice it together. Joe also added the CW ID feature to version 2.0 which is required by our experimental license. He has been very supportive of our 600 meter efforts. The set up here is 100 watts to a wire, 35 ft inverted L with two top loading wires each about 100 ft long. I am really surprised (and pleased) to get across with this setup. I am inland from the coast and the path to Eu is over land till the path goes over salt water off the coast of New Brunswick, Canada. Want to raise the antenna a bit more and increase the top loading but that may not happen till spring now. 73 and Happy New Year. Bob WD2XSH/37 FN42fo On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:34:15 +0100 Rik Strobbe writes: > Graham, Rick, Bob, > > I guess that when the CW id of a WSPR station is audible there > should > be solid copy in WSPR. > But, as mentioned by Bob, WSPR 2.0 was used to transmit the unusual > > WD2XSH/37 callsign. I noticed that older version of WSPR do not copy > > this properly, even when the signal is strong. > I have been running WSPR2 and WSPR1.1 simultaniously for some days > > (the first spotting as ON7YD the other as OR7T) and noticed that > WD2XSH/37 produced all kinds of odd messages with WSPR1.1. WSPR2 > decodes OK. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting Graham : > > > Rick, > > > > Looks like wd2x .. was the station .. you can check what > stations are > > operating at : http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/spots > > > > 2009-12-24 03:38 WD2XSH/37 0.503912 -26 0 FN42fo 2 > ON7YD > > JO20ix 5615 52 > > > > G.. > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Rick Wakatori" <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> > > Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 10:39 AM > > To: > > Subject: LF: "WA" beacon received at 503kHz. > > > >> > >> Using WSPR, I heard "WA" beacon in CW or QRSS at around 503kHz. > >> The signal was visible on the screen during last night. > >> Please let me know the callsign and the QTH? > >> Rick > >> -- > >> -.. . --... .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-. > >> 7L1RLL under ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP) > >> URL=http://www1.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html > >> -..--- -.- .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-... ...-. > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=yi9iW2lTPi_FlJuAPbZNdQAAJ1D5rfaR-77IPsUFbn2LcZ2XAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg03.mx.aol.com (rly-mg03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.109]) by air-mg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG064-a044b2f878122a; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:35:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG036-a044b2f878122a; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:34:42 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMjFF-0001kr-GZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:28:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMjFF-0001ki-2v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:28:21 +0000 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMjJS-0005uJ-2o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:32:44 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwEADEWL0tOlqc1/2dsb2JhbACOCwbHYYIlggkE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,431,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="357926464" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.150.167.53]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2009 14:33:30 +0000 Message-ID: <001701ca824a$904740e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <001401ca8222$5ce76d10$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <9afca2640912210535v7922b3d4ned743d26dfd2a412@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:33:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF ACTY Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01CA824A.8FD01510" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01CA824A.8FD01510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Turn the wick up and someone might hear u. The DL, SM, LA and EIOCF ar= e booming in here day and nite. g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 1:35 PM Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF ACTY Mal, I called CQ on 12wpm CW a few times just now on 500kHz, but no taker= s. There is always activity on 500kHz WSPR. Reports of my 1mW ERP signa= l received from 4 different stations (so far) in the last hour or so= out to 237kms.=20 73s Roger G3XBM 2009/12/21 mal hamilton I have never heard LF/MF so quiet over the years since it all star= ted. In the past most of the DX that I have worked was around XMAS tim= e. The wx at present in Scarborough is minus 2 C and covered in 6 inch= es of snow but it is not effecting my antennas so far even although th= ere is some ice on the wires. Now calling CQ on 502.6 kcs and looking for acty also on 137 kcs= CW=20 De mal/g3kev --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01CA824A.8FD01510 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Turn the wick up and someone might he= ar u. The DL,=20 SM, LA and EIOCF are booming in here day and nite.
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 21, 20= 09 1:35=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF ACTY

Mal,

I called CQ on 12wpm CW a few times just= now on=20 500kHz, but no takers.

There is always activity on 500= kHz WSPR.=20 Reports of my 1mW ERP signal received from 4 different stations (so= far) in=20 the last hour or so out to 237kms.

73s
Roger G3XBM
2009/12/21 mal hamilton <= ;g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
I have never heard LF/MF so quiet= over the=20 years since it all started. In the past most of the DX that I have= worked=20 was around XMAS time. The wx at present in Scarborough is minus 2= C and=20 covered in 6 inches of snow but it is not effecting my antennas so= far even=20 although there is some ice on the wires.
Now calling CQ on 502.6 kcs and= looking for=20 acty also on 137 kcs CW
De mal/g3kev
 
 



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------=_NextPart_000_0014_01CA824A.8FD01510-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (rly-mb03.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.161]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB042-cfc4b202ee821b; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:13:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB038-cfc4b202ee821b; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:12:41 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIVhF-0006DS-ND for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:11:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIVhF-0006DJ-3K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:11:49 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIVhD-0006kB-Ab for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:11:49 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D692ACFD9 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 23:11:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps04.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.133] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.58V) with ESMTP id XID366NLiXLO7728X01; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:11:40 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.133 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps04.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID366NLiXLO7728X01 Received: from [192.168.1.4] [151.47.210.89] by cmsapps04.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 529NLiXLl6272M40; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:11:37 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.210.89 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.4] Message-ID: <4B202EA6.1090000@usa.net> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:11:34 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <392758439.1260398409.48146488.79519@mcgi74.rambler.ru> In-Reply-To: <392758439.1260398409.48146488.79519@mcgi74.rambler.ru> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID529NLiXLM6272X40 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_08=2.435,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 147.3 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------060404050406070009020801" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_02, HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_06,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,MIME_HTML_ONLY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --------------060404050406070009020801 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Beautiful copy of DDH47, but then, given their power, it is not a great surprise....

73  Alberto  I2PHD


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(post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG076-a244b26610cda; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:00:14 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKDJJ-00042s-Fk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:58:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKDJJ-00042j-4d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:58:09 +0000 Received: from mx01.infotech.at ([213.174.240.1]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKDKG-0005qs-5w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:59:10 +0000 Received: from [213.174.228.201] by mx01.infotech.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKDKQ-0002NI-VF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:59:19 +0100 Message-ID: <4B2660C1.90407@inext.at> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:58:57 +0100 From: Oberreiter Oswald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: ossi.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) yes very fine henny , thank you! looking far east 3 days ago read me in asbest city 3300km but its a long way to china hi best dx last weekend was w1vd so i think very good conds 73 de ossi henny van elst schrieb: > nice signal,Ossi > henny cpm > 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > ossi.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen > virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet > toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt > weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (rly-mb03.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.161]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB052-cf84b24b9a3c5; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 04:53:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB034-cf84b24b9a3c5; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 04:53:40 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJl7m-0001G7-Ac for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:52:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJl7l-0001Fx-VV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:52:21 +0000 Received: from psmtp30.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJl88-0002pr-J6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:52:46 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp30.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KUL00ALI4RUMA@psmtp30.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:52:43 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:52:43 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RA3YO 12-12.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_gz0ynTty4u6ZNX2Wrkuhcw)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --Boundary_(ID_gz0ynTty4u6ZNX2Wrkuhcw) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_6P/UTubZ0fckl8gh5R7boA)" --Boundary_(ID_6P/UTubZ0fckl8gh5R7boA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT capture Ra3yo henny pa3cpm 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: RA3YO 12-12.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
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X-FuHaFi: 0.58,0.58 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: LA3EQ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA7C25.EFDA3650" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA7C25.EFDA3650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Weak aural and good visual copy on 502.15. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ Loc:Sdostbayern,12,90006O/48,4150N (Gridloc:JN68KJ) Perseus mit K9AY ----- Original Message ----- From: mal hamilton To: rsgb Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 6:20 PM Subject: LF: LA3EQ Going strong on CW at present on 502 kcs. Can anyone else hear him. How about the grabbers? G3KEV ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.716 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.105/2562 - Ausgabedatum: 12/13/09 08:39:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA7C25.EFDA3650 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Weak aural and good visual copy on=20 502.15.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
 
Loc:S=FCdostbayern,12,90006=B0O/48,41= 50=B0N=20 (Gridloc:JN68KJ)
Perseus mit K9AY
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 20= 09 6:20=20 PM
Subject: LF: LA3EQ

Going strong on CW at present on 50= 2 kcs. Can=20 anyone else hear him. How about the grabbers?
G3KEV
 


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------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA7C25.EFDA3650-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me08.mx.aol.com (rly-me08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.42]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME064-9cd4b2a630d245; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:58:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME081-9cd4b2a630d245; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:57:51 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLJbo-00081j-N5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:53:48 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLJbo-00081a-9v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:53:48 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s1.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.11]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLJeh-0006DG-6w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:56:48 +0000 Received: from COL122-W62 ([65.55.34.8]) by col0-omc1-s1.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:56:41 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:56:40 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200912171636370488.1D2CCCF0@smtp2.numeo.fr> References: <200912171636370488.1D2CCCF0@smtp2.numeo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2009 16:56:41.0141 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7BF2E50:01CA7F39] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_7ca4cedc-a64f-4a33-81a1-a715991918ae_" Subject: RE: LF: "BVG" 10dB over noise/LX on 137 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_7ca4cedc-a64f-4a33-81a1-a715991918ae_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello John, LF! Thanks for your report. The weather has changed, there was a snow on my ae= rial so I had to tune this one. You listened me, when I tried to call CQ.= =20 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS ************************** > Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:36:37 +0100 > From: john.rabson@numeo.fr > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: "BVG" 10dB over noise/LX on 137 >=20 > At 1536z. >=20 > John Rabson=20 > F5VLF > 58800 Cervon > France > JN17vg >=20 >=20 >=20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8= je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_7ca4cedc-a64f-4a33-81a1-a715991918ae_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello John, LF!
Thanks for your report. The weather has changed, there= was a snow on my aerial so I had to tune this one. You listened me, when= I tried to call CQ.

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:36:37 +0100> From: john.rabson@numeo.fr
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<= br>> Subject: LF: "BVG" 10dB over noise/LX on 137
>
> At= 1536z.
>
> John Rabson
> F5VLF
> 58800 Cervon> France
> JN17vg
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>
>
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Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8= =EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? =3D --_7ca4cedc-a64f-4a33-81a1-a715991918ae_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md05.mx.aol.com (rly-md05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.143]) by air-md09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD094-9064b2fa01034c; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:19:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD056-9064b2fa01034c; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:19:29 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMksa-0002Se-QU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:13:04 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMksa-0002SV-CM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:13:04 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMkxi-000461-0c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:18:24 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3502.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0A530700008F for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:18:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3502.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id F17BB7000091 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:18:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.70.177]) by mwinf3502.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 6444D700008F for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:18:12 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20091221161812410.6444D700008F@mwinf3502.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <981F86FBB93F4C97BF472E9446BA1EA2@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <001401ca8222$5ce76d10$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g><9afca2640912210535v7922b3d4ned743d26dfd2a412@mail.gmail.com><001701ca824a$904740e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <20091221165732.37blf9vaoosgkw0k@webmail6.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20091221165732.37blf9vaoosgkw0k@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:18:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF ACTY Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 So much for the EC10 hot radio then ? -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rik Strobbe" Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 3:57 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF ACTY > > There is little challenge in copying the mentioned QRO stations, copying > QRP stations is the real challenge. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting mal hamilton : > >> Turn the wick up and someone might hear u. The DL, SM, LA and EIOCF are >> booming in here day and nite. >> g3kev >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Roger Lapthorn >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 1:35 PM >> Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF ACTY >> >> Mal, >> >> I called CQ on 12wpm CW a few times just now on 500kHz, but no takers. >> >> There is always activity on 500kHz WSPR. Reports of my 1mW ERP signal >> received from 4 different stations (so far) in the last hour or so out >> to 237kms. >> >> 73s >> Roger G3XBM >> >> 2009/12/21 mal hamilton >> > >> I have never heard LF/MF so quiet over the years since it all started. >> In the past most of the DX that I have worked was around XMAS time. The >> wx at present in Scarborough is minus 2 C and covered in 6 inches of >> snow but it is not effecting my antennas so far even although there is >> some ice on the wires. >> Now calling CQ on 502.6 kcs and looking for acty also on 137 kcs CW >> De mal/g3kev >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >> > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.75]) by air-di01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI014-eab94b364bc2c3; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 12:45:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 971901827F; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 12:45:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOah2-00060p-1y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:44:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOah1-00060g-O3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:44:43 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOah0-0007aD-4d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:44:43 +0000 Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091226174436.ISGZ27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:44:36 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091226174436.NMVG21638.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:44:36 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:44:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B364B7F.3528.1CE8517@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=DuRYmh76Hv1QCkKNbBoA:9 a=2vVdT4XdTj6dNrgiRcdDTKZqcHYA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: XDV beacon Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404b4b364bc05cdd X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I will be transmitting 'XDV' on 136.31975kHz overnight. It looks another station is already on 136.319kHz - probably DJ8WX. Mike, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de07.mx.aol.com (rly-de07.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.143]) by air-de08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE084-4eb4b2ff0e82e8; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:04:55 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE074-4eb4b2ff0e82e8; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:04:26 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMqG9-0003qy-2S for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:57:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMqG8-0003qp-LJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:57:44 +0000 Received: from n11a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.125.176]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMqKW-0000CF-P8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:02:17 +0000 Received: from [68.142.200.224] by n11.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2009 22:03:06 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.247] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2009 22:03:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp408.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2009 22:03:06 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 2880.42060.bm@omp408.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 57304 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2009 22:03:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Lgex0DzPUkOhPcJ6F+Po2uNe47hMjzFwArmAc/x1/J//WpmHcTbJGncukdoY/TB4Kq5fKfUCz0vzs3guaYWtod1xnizKHrbGA7/MaN3IzkmTbVwQlTAcqS/MBnPre2uHFTHpVeWOfQyj8jxJ3c/JDaiBINMGht2i0LeOeq/mdkk= ; Received: from host86-151-140-44.range86-151.btcentralplus.com (ken.h.wright@86.151.140.44 with login) by smtp137.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2009 14:03:05 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9Y6mUHuswBAgnrOsukIiNdFDf95uy_Dz34nY1hlg2liKgYD952sjbg-- X-YMail-OSG: ogKi3hUVM1mH7otd67MCbykPgjKZNwUTzsEpl1eVdoIF6eq00Z8jqkVS1zpVNIz6XBL65rEAKeksGPo_CcmfsDIkVZH_vxCFzqYivX7c89oiytezGEs1cEVm6PkN8m_sOoifwgyK6T6IIPqkVm3nHUoOfZwX3fP_b_HeIq16QObQfulFQU8FAIr8SJdhukGvJq7q81rHhvtWLGsFSgm5X2e_JxYTB8VtG5sVjJ.v7v4o0PW6V8I8ZTyaC5cjurPJIh.o_oPCmphpFapj8qVbBEGG76Gh X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <678FAD4478574A8682D9BDE7D982EE11@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:03:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: PA0RDT Mini-Whip Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01CA8289.5EA91470" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01CA8289.5EA91470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello All. I have been reading the recent posting regarding the PA0RDT Mini-Whip= earthing etc, and am becoming rather confused. I am hoping to constr= uct a Mini-Whip over the Christmas break, but have issues regarding th= e positioning of it, the original drawings show it on a non metallic= mast, if I mount it high it will be within 2m vertical separation and= a 3m horizontal separation of the top horizontal section of the anten= na, the other option would be to mount it 1m above ground which will= give a 8m vertical separation and a 4m horizontal separation. Just to= add further problems if elevated vertically it is very close to veget= ation, and at the 1m position it will be close to the neighbour's chai= n link fence. The Mini-Whip will be connected to the shack with approx= imately 25m of 50 ohm coax. Your comments will be gratefully received. =20 73s Ken M0KHW ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01CA8289.5EA91470 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= Hello All.

= I have been reading the rece= nt posting regarding the=20 PA0RDT Mini-Whip earthing etc, and am becoming rather confused.  I am hoping to construct= a Mini-Whip=20 over the Christmas break, but have issues regarding the positioning of= it, the=20 original drawings show it on a non metallic mast, if I mount it high= it will be=20 within 2m vertical separation and a 3m horizontal separation of the to= p=20 horizontal section of the antenna, the other option would be to mount= it 1m=20 above ground which will give a 8m vertical separation and a 4m horizon= tal=20 separation. Just to add further problems if elevated vertically it is= very close=20 to vegetation, and at the 1m position it will be close to the neighbou= r=92s chain=20 link fence. The Mini-Whip will be connected to the shack with approxim= ately 25m=20 of 50 ohm coax. Your comments will be gratefully received.

=  

= 73s

= Ken

= M0KHW

=  

 ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01CA8289.5EA91470-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (rly-dd05.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.152]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD024-b7e4b27793632c; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 06:55:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD058-b7e4b27793632c; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 06:55:35 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKVxh-0002Xv-W3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:53:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKVxh-0002Xm-HX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:53:05 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKVz2-0004ld-2N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:54:30 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBF6qCcA019290 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:52:12 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:54:43 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:54:44 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC75@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <993182564@web.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Thread-Index: Acp9dhYz5SqVBBsOQWaU9OUL9P43UwABhC5w From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.625;15.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.15.114526 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA7D7D.637B8BDB" Subject: AW: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE, YOU_WON autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7D7D.637B8BDB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, if I apply 1kW to a bad antenna and get 100mW ERP, then 10kW will ge= t 1W ERP and this is thus not nonsens of the legal limit regs but rather= a gain of 10 dB. The same when you increase from 100W to 1kW with a 10dB= better antenna. And if you then are able to do a qso in qrss3 instead of= qrss30, even the needed energy is the same! You won time, that's the gain= ! And you can enthuse the LWLs receiving nice signals!=20 =20 @Mike: Tnx for your reliable statement! And: Again tnx for your transmiisi= ons before some weeks! Will you do it again eventually the next days? I ha= ve to do some further tests ;-) =20 Stefan/DK7FC =20 =20 =20 You've nicely demonstrated the nonsense of the 1W ERP legal limit regs. The 200 W TX output on LF and 100 W TX output on MF the norwegian authorities permitted seem to be by far more reasonable to me. =20 73 Joerg, DL3NRV =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7D7D.637B8BDB Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Well, if I apply 1kW to= a bad antenna and get 100mW ERP, then 10kW will get 1W ERP and this is thus not nonsens= of the legal limit regs but rather a gain of 10 dB. The same when you increas= e from 100W to 1kW with a 10dB better antenna. And if you then are able to= do a qso in qrss3 instead of qrss30, even the needed energy is the same! You won ti= me, that’s the gain! And you can enthuse the LWLs receiving nice signals!

 

@Mike: Tnx for your reli= able statement! And: Again tnx for your transmiisions before some weeks! Will= you do it again eventually the next days? I have to do some further tests ;-)

 

Stefan/DK7FC

 

 

&n= bsp;

Yo= u've nicely demonstrated the nonsense of the 1W ERP legal limit regs.

Th= e 200 W TX output on LF and 100 W= TX output= on MF the norwegian

au= thorities permitted seem to be by far more reasonable to me.

&n= bsp;

73=

Joerg, DL3NRV

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi,LF
Strong signal.137.775khz
henny pa3cpm
73s
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autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: Re: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01CA800E.C9013F00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01CA800E.C9013F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tnx Walter=20 Yes , we seem to of done quite well considering , I think the only= gray area was the approach / marketing of the allocation where as= operations where initially viewed as a follow on from 136 and= as such its possible that it did not attract a wider response, wh= ere as it very soon became apparent that the band was more simi= lar to 1.8 MHz in terms of coverage and the requirements for lar= ge arrays and power level did not materialise and in fact the com= pact array has provided most if not all of the Dx worked on the ba= nd to date , ''even'' Gus is using a antenna system that is within= the boundary of his own house and is still fractional compared= to the wave length, once I had modified my old 80 ft total invert= ed L with loading coil and top capacity section , 50 to 100 wat= ts provided amazing coverage and performance on 1.8 & 3.5 also = increased significantly .. unintended consequence !=20 Back in the 1970's a old friend of mine , long passed, who introdu= ced me to vhf radio 2 & 4 mtr am G3SX always maintained that the= 500 K / 600 mtr band was the original armature band in the perio= d between the 1914/1945 war's and the marine service, once spark= had been phased out , took over the band and forced the armature= operation hf to the new fangled 1.8 and higher=20 So may be the tapping gang where just keeping it free for us afte= r all .. 70 years was long enough ! 73 - G ..=20 From: Walter und Marianne Staubach=20 Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 5:38 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Re: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kH= z band) Congrats to All on MF in G-Land. I would like we had RSGB and OFCOM in= Germany. Merry Christmas Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 12:39 PM Subject: LF: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz= band) FYI 16|12|09 Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band) Following representations made by the Radio Society of Great= Britain and negotiations by Ofcom with the Maritime and Coastguard Ag= ency, Ofcom has decided to extend the period of Notices of Variation= (NoVs) to the licence for operation in the 501 to 504 kHz band until= 29 February 2012. The maximum effective radiated power (e.r.p.) limit= is maintained at 10 dBW (10 W). Existing NoVs are due to expire at th= e end of February 2010.=20 There have been no reports of interference and investigation= has shown that a radiated power of 10 dBW is not likely to cause inte= rference. Moreover, NoV holders are permitted to operate only subject= to causing no interference.=20 Special Research Permits under a Notice of Variation to the Li= cence are made available to holders of Full Amateur Licences on a case= by case basis to applicants who can demonstrate a genuine interest in= experimentation at these frequencies and provide adequate supporting= documentation for assessment.=20 Due to the usage of the spectrum around the 500 kHz bands, app= licants should pay special attention to demonstrating technical and op= erational competence in terms of transmitting within the frequency ban= d and Effective Radiated Power (e.r.p.) parameters agreed with Ofcom.= Previous experience at 73 kHz as well as 136 kHz will be considered= desirable in this respect to ensure adequate steps are taken to limit= any potential interference.=20 Ofcom will monitor any interference reports and also consider= limiting numbers if necessary in reviewing operation in the band. On= no account will an e.r.p. level of greater than 10 dBW be permitted= under any circumstance.=20 The standard application form (OfW306) for a Special Research= Permit can be downloaded at: http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amate= ur/applications/ofw306.pdf=20 A fresh NoV will automatically be issued to existing NoV holde= rs; new applications are not required in this instance. Should a fresh NoV not be required or if you are in possession= of an NoV which is not required, please inform the Ofcom Licensing Ce= ntre stating your name, call sign and Licence number preferably by e-m= ail to licensingcentre@ofcom.org.uk or alternatively by post to the ad= dress at the end of the text.=20 Form OfW306 is also available on request from the Ofcom Licens= ing Centre at:=20 Ofcom Licensing Centre=20 Amateur Radio Riverside House 2a Southwark Bridge Road London SE1 9HA=20 Tel: 020 7981 3131=20 73 es GL petefmt=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01CA800E.C9013F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tnx Walter
 
Yes , we seem to of done  quite&= nbsp;=20 well  considering , I think the  only  gray area was th= e =20 approach / marketing of the  allocation where as  operations= =20 where  initially  viewed as a  follow  on from&nbs= p; 136 and=20 as such its possible that  it  did  not  attract= a wider=20 response, where as it  very  soon became  apparent that=  =20 the  band  was more  similar to  1.8 MHz in terms&= nbsp;=20 of  coverage  and the  requirements  for large&nbs= p;=20 arrays  and  power level did  not  materialise and= in fact=20 the compact array has  provided  most if not  all of th= e Dx=20 worked on the  band to date , ''even''  Gus  is using= a =20 antenna  system that is within the  boundary  of= =20 his own  house  and is  still fractional compared= to=20 the  wave length, once I had  modified my old  80 = ft total=20 inverted L with  loading  coil and  top  capacity&= nbsp;=20 section , 50  to  100 watts  provided  amazing&nbs= p;=20 coverage  and performance on 1.8 & 3.5  also  incre= ased =20 significantly .. unintended consequence ! 
 
Back in the  1970's  a old= friend of mine=20 , long passed,  who  introduced me to vhf  radio = 2 & 4=20 mtr  am  G3SX  always  maintained that the = 500 K /=20 600  mtr  band was the  original armature band in the&n= bsp;=20 period  between the  1914/1945 war's  and the  mar= ine =20 service, once spark had been  phased out , took over the  ba= nd =20 and  forced the  armature  operation  hf to t= he =20 new fangled  1.8 and  higher
 
So may be the  tapping  gan= g where just=20 keeping it  free  for us  after all  .. 70 = years =20 was long  enough !
 
73 - G ..

Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 5:38 PM
Subject: LF: Re: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (5= 01 to 504=20 kHz band)

Congrats to All on MF in G-Land. I wo= uld like we=20 had RSGB and OFCOM in Germany.
Merry Christmas
Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT=
Sent: Friday, December 18, 20= 09 12:39=20 PM
Subject: LF: UK - Update - Sp= ecial=20 Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band)

FYI       16|12|09

Update - Special Research Permits (501 to= 504 kHz=20 band)

Following representations made by the Radio Society of Gr= eat=20 Britain and negotiations by Ofcom with the Maritime and Coastg= uard=20 Agency, Ofcom has decided to extend the= period of=20 Notices of Variation (NoVs) to the licence for operation in th= e 501 to=20 504 kHz band until 29 February 2012. The maxim= um=20 effective radiated power (e.r.p.) limit is maintained at 10 dB= W (10 W).=20 Existing NoVs are due to expire at the end of February 2010.=
There have been no reports of interference and inv= estigation=20 has shown that a radiated power of 10 dBW is not likely to cau= se=20 interference. Moreover, NoV holders are permitted to operate= only=20 subject to causing no interference.
Special Research Permits under a Notice of Variation to= the Licence=20 are made available to holders of Full Amateur Licences on a ca= se by case=20 basis to applicants who can demonstrate a genuine interest in= =20 experimentation at these frequencies and provide adequate supp= orting=20 documentation for assessment.
Due to the usage of the spectrum around the 500 kHz bands= ,=20 applicants should pay special attention to demonstrating techn= ical and=20 operational competence in terms of transmitting within the fre= quency=20 band and Effective Radiated Power (e.r.p.) parameters agreed= with Ofcom.=20 Previous experience at 73 kHz as well as 136 kHz will be consi= dered=20 desirable in this respect to ensure adequate steps are taken= to limit=20 any potential interference.
Ofcom will monitor any interference reports and also cons= ider=20 limiting numbers if necessary in reviewing operation in the ba= nd. On no=20 account will an e.r.p. level of greater than 10 dBW be permitt= ed under=20 any circumstance.
The standard application form (OfW306) for a Special Rese= arch=20 Permit can be downloaded at:
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/am= ateur/applications/ofw306.pdf=20
A fresh NoV will automatically be issued to existing NoV= holders;=20 new applications are not required in this instance.
Should= a fresh=20 NoV not be required or if you are in possession of an NoV whic= h is not=20 required, please inform the Ofcom Licensing Centre stating you= r name,=20 call sign and Licence number preferably by e-mail to licensingcentre@ofc= om.org.uk=20 or alternatively by post to the address at the end of the text= .
Form OfW306 is also available on request from the Ofcom= Licensing=20 Centre at:
Ofcom Licensing Centre
Amateur Radio
Riverside Hou= se
2a=20 Southwark Bridge Road
London SE1 9HA
Tel: 020 7981 3131

73 es GL=20 petefmt



------=_NextPart_000_0040_01CA800E.C9013F00-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (rly-mg01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.107]) by air-mg01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG011-9f44b1bf663222; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 13:22:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG016-9f44b1bf663222; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 13:22:29 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHLjE-0005Ej-Eq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 18:21:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHLjD-0005Ea-W5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 18:21:03 +0000 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHLjD-0007p2-EW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 18:21:03 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuAEAFOFG0tOlvJ7/2dsb2JhbACODwbHC4QzBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,350,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="297754440" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.150.242.123]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 06 Dec 2009 18:20:41 +0000 Message-ID: <005301ca76a0$cdbcae20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:20:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 137.7 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0050_01CA76A0.CD778ED0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01CA76A0.CD778ED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris/G3XIZ big sig on 137 qrs dfcw and qrs. Did'nt call because u wer= e also audible and qrs too slow for me. Also a big audible sig on 137.750 sending some sort of Arabic scroll= Beacon mode 2 mins on at a time. My arabic is poor but something like salem alikom shufty wspraji then= went qrt G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01CA76A0.CD778ED0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Chris/G3XIZ big sig on 137 qrs dfcw= and qrs. Did'nt=20 call because u were also audible and qrs too slow for me.
Also a big audible sig on 137.750 sen= ding some sort=20 of Arabic scroll Beacon mode 2 mins on at a time.
My arabic is poor but something like= salem alikom=20 shufty wspraji then went qrt
G3KEV
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0050_01CA76A0.CD778ED0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (rly-dc03.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.32]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC042-b0e4b2a1d554c; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 07:00:34 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC032-b0e4b2a1d554c; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 07:00:22 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLEy1-0003vJ-2s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:56:25 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLEy0-0003v9-Es for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:56:24 +0000 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLF0l-0003tx-Vk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:59:17 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.3]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091217115910.YBH17277.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:59:10 +0000 Received: from [86.27.65.97] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLF0g-0001EA-7S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:59:10 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <103549.64186.qm@web63605.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20091217110355.6828A31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:59:05 -0000 Message-ID: <060101ca7f10$54f7f120$0417aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: Acp/CM0L4UfEqw9NRAKAVfahtLzqggAB3D9g In-Reply-To: <20091217110355.6828A31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=Ee1VBOaOx30A:10 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=okxBy07tAAAA:20 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=mnkDQa3dAAAA:8 a=LSqJEG7SAAAA:8 a=UnDIl7zAAAAA:8 a=tYlXc0Cp-LmosY6I2koA:9 a=hJ9mdDgm-_Zpb_2SJXCr65U8vIwA:4 a=4Lz01PeneD8A:10 a=n6UBVwlWjccA:10 a=QUMBtimKheAA:10 a=GXq1JHm8lEYA:10 a=z-6WHWR9nJ4A:10 a=FQ7sgWXcAGUA:10 a=Dz8yZd2LZgoA:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=E3d62MU9tCcA:10 a=kJRaol4iSCAA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: Fw: DE KU4XR - [NZ4O Spaceweather] Some Solar Cycle 24 Firsts Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 That's a job for Mal -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe Sent: 17 December 2009 11:04 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Fw: DE KU4XR - [NZ4O Spaceweather] Some Solar Cycle 24 Firsts Can someone please stop this ;-) It will spoil propagation on LF/MF 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 15:53 16/12/2009, you wrote: >Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. >LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29866 KHz ( QRSS-60 ) >Coordinates: N: 35* 43' 54" - W: 84* 3' 16" >http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr >http://webpages.charter.net/ku4xr/ > > >--- On Wed, 12/16/09, Thomas F. Giella NZ4O wrote: > > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o4.htm > > > > Sunspot group #11035 near N30W13 has grown into the largest > > (seven times larger than the Earth) and most magnetically complex > > (beta-gamma) sunspot group of solar cycle 24. At 0102 UTC the sunspot > > group released a small C5.3 solar flare, the largest solar flare of > > Solar cycle 24. More small C class solar flares are possible, with a > > chance for an isolated medium size M class solar flare. > > > > #11035 also produced the first partially geoeffective (Earth facing) > > coronal mass ejection (CME) of solar cycle 24. The CME will arrive > > at Earth in a approximately two days and could spark a geomagnetic > > storm and visible aurora. Another geoeffective CME is possible, with an > > associated sudden ionosphere disturbance (SID) and shortwave fadeout > > > > The sunspot count is 38 which is the highest of solar cycle 24. The > > solar flux index is 82 which is tied for the highest SFI of solar > > Cycle 24. With the increased sunspot count we should see improved > > propagation conditions on 15 and 12 meters. > > > > 73, GUD DX, Merry X-mas & Happy New Year, > > Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O > > Lakeland, FL, USA > > nz4o@arrl.net > > eList Owner/Moderator > > John 3:16 <>< > > > > COL LF/MF/HF/VHF/UHF Frequency Radiowave Propagation Email > > Reflector: > > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/spaceweather > > NZ4O Daily Solar Space Weather & Geomagnetic Data > > Archive: > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o1.htm > > NZ4O Solar Space Weather & Geomagnetic Data In Graphic > > & Image Format: > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o2.htm > > NZ4O Daily LF/MF/HF/6M Frequency Radiowave Propagation > > Forecast & Archive: > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o3.htm > > NZ4O Solar Cycle 24 Forecast Discussion & Archive: > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o4.htm > > NZ4O 160 Meter Radio Propagation Theory Notes: > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o5.htm > > NZ4O Solar Space Weather & Geomagnetic Raw Forecast > > Data Links: > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o6.htm > > Harmful Man Induced Climate Change (Global Warming) > > Refuted: > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/globalwarminglie.htm > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Spaceweather mailing list > > Spaceweather@contesting.com > > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/spaceweather > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD082-91b4b37778f69; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:04:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD083-91b4b37778f69; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:04:48 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOuf1-0002fH-3r for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:03:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOuf0-0002f7-Oi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:03:58 +0000 Received: from mail-yx0-f203.google.com ([209.85.210.203]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOuex-0000vs-SU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:03:58 +0000 Received: by yxe41 with SMTP id 41so34662598yxe.30 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 07:03:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=620/BIzjYxHOGHWyDFrTutjM5HbCevSElJsTaScBzZ4=; b=sM7j9uOXQPw6+xOWqoIBaV2yFNQu6A7HiG8Nu4ZvZ6qtyq67Ii6kKF5jmC2F32YK7M RiMG2zpqQEz04VBWiZJXkR2QIakno8kjWE0FAmnaeZGHKuHVthW3IDIpk98vBkgZUcHp RVMk9NH/+0YknQUMH5hhLy90Ut8Mi+82xAhvw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=re6K3rMUR83urRDv5QOIXqLh6s+MRFeDA6VCRqdbrzQW9udv95iHLzNwrWe7aRvf0f CZ2R4vU/AE3P0stomgEnvHU4i7rFE9pojxgEiGpTazuyobyPHnoWytdsHt1EmRB2I5Vp FcoIO6Pyae9oQj7OHjEHN17eoBFPiUz0GPbvI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.119.12 with SMTP id r12mr15849847ybc.272.1261926229166; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 07:03:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <68888C71C3FE4456A4F854377E52D1B2@ns94d01ae4d850> References: <68888C71C3FE4456A4F854377E52D1B2@ns94d01ae4d850> Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:03:49 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca70912270703o3b3fc1edmf63711865f854526@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 27-12.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d237.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Thank you Henny for the capture! -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2009/12/27 henny van elst : > Hello Warren LF, > Capture XGJ > Henny pa3cpm > best 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > XGJ 27-12.jpg From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (rly-dg04.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.88]) by air-dg04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG041-5bd4b35e33454; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 05:19:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG044-5bd4b35e33454; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 05:19:33 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOTjO-0004fu-Nq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:18:42 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOTjO-0004fl-7D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:18:42 +0000 Received: from psmtp30.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.32]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOTjL-0003hk-Rz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:18:42 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp30.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KV90083P8MWHA@psmtp30.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:18:32 +0100 (MET) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:18:34 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <0C83042A649D403CA8DF32302386E9CB@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: WPF 26-12.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_gBJVu/NugUcjwyF3HbHn+g)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --Boundary_(ID_gBJVu/NugUcjwyF3HbHn+g) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_pR8ScXDHL98uctbXb0BAfw)" --Boundary_(ID_pR8ScXDHL98uctbXb0BAfw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi LF, Capture WPF, Henny pa3cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: WPF 26-12.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. --Boundary_(ID_pR8ScXDHL98uctbXb0BAfw) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Hi LF,
Capture WPF,
Henny pa3cpm
best 73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
WPF 26-12.jpg

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Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear Lowfers,=20 It's nice/funny, that my explanations gets such a resonance ;-) I can imagine about the problem of local QRM brought by the coax to the pr= eamp. That brings me to new ideas at once. But actual I just want to do ni= ce QSOs and so I will stop here since I am in a region without strong loca= l QRM. That's one advantage of being /p :-) I've seen that the reflector hasn't even reflected my message with the cir= cuit, although is has just a size of 60kB. I'll ask Bernd/DF8ZR to post it= agn on his homepage and will give you the link then... 73, Stefan/DK7FC=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb09.mx.aol.com (rly-mb09.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.167]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB052-d274b236329209; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 04:32:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB093-d274b236329209; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 04:32:26 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJOK4-0008SY-GP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 09:31:32 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJOK4-0008SP-4O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 09:31:32 +0000 Received: from web87012.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([87.248.114.64]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJOK2-0006NS-7P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 09:31:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 99284 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Dec 2009 09:31:24 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1260610284; bh=uEr/0HJ7nL5acTicf7vw6bhzQELwqT7qxl1wZoHBCeI=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OYMSD8uEywaIKERa/fumX8vbsZoL+QBsRyBdf4ZwIQlfzCUq13kdW1EWOnEtBBjKIBiMmxTu7bsjUdqikLIUoiT+JupL3BXlS9rQfLemmZykIA7XR8xBAMXjaJJ5c5t8XvsR2VMF/M25kEsryCCDFpjYHLL+3F2yt3G3bmMf3j4= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=L3Mzd2uG3gnZiY9FY8viu1MJB743rB1eMKU+EgJxcM2bDP8tQEgMa/Ll9Eh5FMdDKyrOpYs07CcxOdWNLSyufiL/HA8G5P37NgilaMr19wMDJMoZPtVjfRuClPzXUxYX7H8FQPbyQJ/P2JUrVwnOGKSfAN2ahyCNa2pje8dO5/M=; Message-ID: <753002.98875.qm@web87012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ZlFJy4kVM1mmQvTPXXNE07y7nWuzpYwSy5E_FXJUmTcp94HwTVCudOoEDWFZr5s.grEMp4vJJ49MWnphKyo2hilV1GzxAeVjDcXWjm9ddOLd0lFvE9cgJiD.SHjCF_KDSFUMSiUz6ryVOz.etV47QGOE2JTq9_mkhtAd8yXYloToSBmvIMX8wobwX3IiJbNfJAgndsDkZNpBHLhHtqiD2akNC0uPJpzFRxadg1H43O7HRFt5lGEzgNQn4LSKj4LkVkmdk2IhANgywp1Fi7WqG3wqEuS1Tm7A Received: from [86.130.76.73] by web87012.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 09:31:24 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 09:31:24 +0000 (GMT) From: KEN WRIGHT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: G3SAQ SK Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-744996271-1260610284=:98875" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m242.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : fail --0-744996271-1260610284=:98875 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry folks, message to Peter sent in error on this site 73 Ken M0KHW --0-744996271-1260610284=:98875 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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73
Ken
M0KHW
--0-744996271-1260610284=:98875-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (rly-mg06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.112]) by air-mg08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG084-a1c4b2e056653; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 06:07:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG066-a1c4b2e056653; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 06:07:19 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMJXV-0006pn-7o for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:01:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMJXU-0006pe-EN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:01:28 +0000 Received: from smtp821.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.250]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMJbA-0004fX-1U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:05:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 96682 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2009 11:05:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=XjwzxLyuOKlLZ+bcUD9OaP0J8139hW3upt+x+CfqVEwEsHzNuX7t9hnqE+Q6JKChacLg2m24c89egg/VBfgYfpoOhnjlQVJlFSsJWtmPYc5SRbmq1Z26lDJI5ft+HTiPjLBkHB4EIv/Fk5Yahzhuyiecc/c+9RbiZuhazBERjuU= ; Received: from unknown (HELO DennisPC) (dennis.easterling@86.142.159.141 with login) by smtp821.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2009 11:05:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: H_MJu2qswBDkdHeCAZfwexko6VNOiMP5URzYEvz3WrE5v1grQm6fnvJecjM9 X-YMail-OSG: .pMcYccVM1kaPBREuJzJeRPBzNmZxYRnwrhuCKvnL2utkNkIN9JjIqim_Q3ZTxJ5WP82SJ7QQz_VWHcqXxlGXmsorEHRLKmgpCDtlTVOloM6wTmyfAfi3vfLxsFtTs0mUUVY2Y2V86l4C.jeWupucInanieHu436YwCipxrqf8KRpdmX.9IS8fXxcTd0Lm7MnhznewaMluEWz38mVMIiaiH7MZk9aVFUx7nEbOxH60X8j3E- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "DENNIS EASTERLING" To: References: <914980.30417.qm@web28108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <914980.30417.qm@web28108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:05:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: LF: Re: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005D_01CA8164.5F0E0EF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01CA8164.5F0E0EF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Pete Thanks for info - no need to worry until 2012. 73 Dennis M0JXM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 11:39 AM Subject: LF: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz= band) FYI 16|12|09 Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band) Following representations made by the Radio Society of Great= Britain and negotiations by Ofcom with the Maritime and Coastguard Ag= ency, Ofcom has decided to extend the period of Notices of Variation= (NoVs) to the licence for operation in the 501 to 504 kHz band until= 29 February 2012. The maximum effective radiated power (e.r.p.) limit= is maintained at 10 dBW (10 W). Existing NoVs are due to expire at th= e end of February 2010.=20 There have been no reports of interference and investigation= has shown that a radiated power of 10 dBW is not likely to cause inte= rference. Moreover, NoV holders are permitted to operate only subject= to causing no interference.=20 Special Research Permits under a Notice of Variation to the Li= cence are made available to holders of Full Amateur Licences on a case= by case basis to applicants who can demonstrate a genuine interest in= experimentation at these frequencies and provide adequate supporting= documentation for assessment.=20 Due to the usage of the spectrum around the 500 kHz bands, app= licants should pay special attention to demonstrating technical and op= erational competence in terms of transmitting within the frequency ban= d and Effective Radiated Power (e.r.p.) parameters agreed with Ofcom.= Previous experience at 73 kHz as well as 136 kHz will be considered= desirable in this respect to ensure adequate steps are taken to limit= any potential interference.=20 Ofcom will monitor any interference reports and also consider= limiting numbers if necessary in reviewing operation in the band. On= no account will an e.r.p. level of greater than 10 dBW be permitted= under any circumstance.=20 The standard application form (OfW306) for a Special Research= Permit can be downloaded at: http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amate= ur/applications/ofw306.pdf=20 A fresh NoV will automatically be issued to existing NoV holde= rs; new applications are not required in this instance. Should a fresh NoV not be required or if you are in possession= of an NoV which is not required, please inform the Ofcom Licensing Ce= ntre stating your name, call sign and Licence number preferably by e-m= ail to licensingcentre@ofcom.org.uk or alternatively by post to the ad= dress at the end of the text.=20 Form OfW306 is also available on request from the Ofcom Licens= ing Centre at:=20 Ofcom Licensing Centre=20 Amateur Radio Riverside House 2a Southwark Bridge Road London SE1 9HA=20 Tel: 020 7981 3131=20 73 es GL petefmt=20 ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01CA8164.5F0E0EF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Pete
 
Thanks for info - no need to worry un= til=20 2012.
 
73 Dennis M0JXM
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT=
Sent: Friday, December 18, 20= 09 11:39=20 AM
Subject: LF: UK - Update - Sp= ecial=20 Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band)

FYI       16|12|09

Update - Special Research Permits (501 to= 504 kHz=20 band)

Following representations made by the Radio Society of Gr= eat=20 Britain and negotiations by Ofcom with the Maritime and Coastg= uard=20 Agency, Ofcom has decided to extend the= period of=20 Notices of Variation (NoVs) to the licence for operation in th= e 501 to=20 504 kHz band until 29 February 2012. The maxim= um=20 effective radiated power (e.r.p.) limit is maintained at 10 dB= W (10 W).=20 Existing NoVs are due to expire at the end of February 2010.=
There have been no reports of interference and inv= estigation=20 has shown that a radiated power of 10 dBW is not likely to cau= se=20 interference. Moreover, NoV holders are permitted to operate= only=20 subject to causing no interference.
Special Research Permits under a Notice of Variation to= the Licence=20 are made available to holders of Full Amateur Licences on a ca= se by case=20 basis to applicants who can demonstrate a genuine interest in= =20 experimentation at these frequencies and provide adequate supp= orting=20 documentation for assessment.
Due to the usage of the spectrum around the 500 kHz bands= ,=20 applicants should pay special attention to demonstrating techn= ical and=20 operational competence in terms of transmitting within the fre= quency=20 band and Effective Radiated Power (e.r.p.) parameters agreed= with Ofcom.=20 Previous experience at 73 kHz as well as 136 kHz will be consi= dered=20 desirable in this respect to ensure adequate steps are taken= to limit=20 any potential interference.
Ofcom will monitor any interference reports and also cons= ider=20 limiting numbers if necessary in reviewing operation in the ba= nd. On no=20 account will an e.r.p. level of greater than 10 dBW be permitt= ed under=20 any circumstance.
The standard application form (OfW306) for a Special Rese= arch=20 Permit can be downloaded at:
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/am= ateur/applications/ofw306.pdf=20
A fresh NoV will automatically be issued to existing NoV= holders;=20 new applications are not required in this instance.
Should= a fresh=20 NoV not be required or if you are in possession of an NoV whic= h is not=20 required, please inform the Ofcom Licensing Centre stating you= r name,=20 call sign and Licence number preferably by e-mail to licensingcentre@ofc= om.org.uk=20 or alternatively by post to the address at the end of the text= .
Form OfW306 is also available on request from the Ofcom= Licensing=20 Centre at:
Ofcom Licensing Centre
Amateur Radio
Riverside Hou= se
2a=20 Southwark Bridge Road
London SE1 9HA
Tel: 020 7981 3131

73 es GL=20 petefmt

------=_NextPart_000_005D_01CA8164.5F0E0EF0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (rly-dc01.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.30]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC061-afe4b20216a3ae; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:15:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC012-afe4b20216a3ae; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:15:07 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIUnJ-0005a1-MK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:14:01 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIUnJ-0005Zs-2t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:14:01 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIUnH-0003iQ-84 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:14:01 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3544.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D352E1C00142 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 23:13:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3544.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id BF4051C00147 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 23:13:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.5.59]) by mwinf3544.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 605341C00142 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 23:13:53 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20091209221353394.605341C00142@mwinf3544.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <510B0611943F48E1975A8F833B63FBD5@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <9afca2640912071620w15cb02c8t1e7303fd15e57b65@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9afca2640912071620w15cb02c8t1e7303fd15e57b65@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 22:13:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<< Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0096_01CA791C.E4267050" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01CA791C.E4267050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All=20 This latest addition to the HF / MF tx convertor opens the door= to data communications on 500 ... ranging from 'all' the K1JT sy= stems through to the single carrier=20 multi tone systems of MFSK , DOMINO and THOR .. even the almos= t forgotten Amtor-arq and Packtor modes , anyone still have there= pk232 =20 listed are data modes that may be used with non-linear systems :-= =20 http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/meat-grinder-comms G..=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 12:20 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter Dear All, My WSPR tx up-converter has now been modified to a full TX/RX tranvert= er suitable for WSPR, QRSS and CW in a very simple way, making use of= the FT817 split facility which allows you to RX on 500kHz and TX on= 28MHz. By adding a series LC between the TX PA and the FT817 input/ou= tput RF connection (with back-to-back diodes at the L and C junction,= this allows "pass through" from the 500kHz ATU to the FT817 on RX (tu= ned to 500kHz). On TX, the diodes conduct and the C part is in paralle= l with the first cap in the TX low pass filter. This scheme is now wor= king really well with good RX sensitivity and no change in TX power ou= t. Schematic of the transverter is on my blog at http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspo= t.com/ . My attempt to add it as an attachment to an email here earlie= r failed. This more or less concludes my 500kHz experimenting, apart from gettin= g a few more CW QSOs in the log. It's been great fun all the way with= lots of support from folks here. I was going to try 136kHz, but think= I will now give this a miss for now. 73s Roger G3XBM --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01CA791C.E4267050 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All
 
This  latest  addition to&n= bsp; the =20 HF / MF  tx convertor  opens the  door to  data&nb= sp;=20 communications  on 500 ... ranging  from 'all'  the K1J= T systems=20 through to  the  single carrier
multi  tone systems  of&nbs= p; =20 MFSK  ,  DOMINO and THOR  .. even the  almost= =20 forgotten  Amtor-arq  and Packtor modes , anyone still = have=20 there pk232 
 
listed  are=20 data  modes that  may be  used with non-linear systems= :-=20
 
 
G..

Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 12:20 AM
Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter

Dear All,

My WSPR tx up-converter has now been= modified to=20 a full TX/RX tranverter suitable for WSPR, QRSS and CW  in= a=20 very simple way, making use of the FT817 split facility which= allows you=20 to RX on 500kHz and TX on 28MHz. By adding a series LC between the TX= PA and the=20 FT817 input/output RF connection (with back-to-back diodes at the L an= d C=20 junction, this allows "pass through" from the 500kHz ATU to the FT817= on RX=20 (tuned to 500kHz). On TX, the diodes conduct and the C part is in para= llel with=20 the first cap in the TX low pass filter. This scheme is now working re= ally well=20 with good RX sensitivity and no change in TX power out.

Schemat= ic of the=20 transverter is on my blog at http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ . My=20 attempt to add it as an attachment to an email here earlier failed.
This more or less concludes my 500kHz experimenting= , apart from=20 getting a few more CW QSOs in the log. It's been great fun all the way= with lots=20 of support from folks here. I was going to try 136kHz, but think I wil= l now give=20 this a miss for now.

73s
Roger G3XBM
--=20
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<= A href=3D"http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/">http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.= com/
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------=_NextPart_000_0096_01CA791C.E4267050-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me05.mx.aol.com (rly-me05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.39]) by air-me02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME024-9b74b1b8a5bd4; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 05:41:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME053-9b74b1b8a5bd4; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 05:41:33 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHEXg-0003y8-HU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:40:40 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHEXg-0003xz-3o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:40:40 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHEXd-0007eO-NF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:40:40 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so3088237bwz.4 for ; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 02:40:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=kiP+Jva1ta10kwj6G+ciUZtMfSH0jsOBo6GlgO8uhPE=; b=o0SraTAzB4hAATqtwRTxBxurFX5royAibcH3bfh34IHovlkf5sufpJ5pLXaY1O2DuW OV1w5pXlsaJov1AT6drOOi9ksxR1baZlxPrBnnLWc8fFPY0vaBEJx6OVNzlSonNKrGaz pZQVgqUCoGOae3VtGprxGgJBpiVUVjOON9Ko0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=AsC1580EVYiGGWoXIW80KwMTSCtPdQlRHB97MPkNRlGpYO48ppFFqyhUhqrINIiRo9 xJ+oqmyB3ZbIHeHheqyegLKqEzcJpDwurlEs3uPWaBrGjpQWPe7wILgKfMoBofZEUI4o kk07UdsQdptUQggcxFsZkY+bSrj7nKU/dEC9o= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.16.85 with SMTP id n21mr5470564bka.140.1260096032110; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 02:40:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <002801ca765e$f543b8e0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> References: <002801ca765e$f543b8e0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:40:32 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2640912060240x3892a5d0o71d5082089b54a2c@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 pirate Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0003255599ba607ac6047a0cf87f X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d250.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0003255599ba607ac6047a0cf87f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It was G7NKS - no pirate. 2009/12/6 mal hamilton > Some G7 stn calling me in Beacon mode giving me 557 report and Loc. > Could be a Pirate, unusual procedure. > G3KEV > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0003255599ba607ac6047a0cf87f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It was G7NKS - no pirate.

2009/12/6 mal= hamilton <g= 3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Some G7 stn calling me in Beacon=A0= mode giving=20 me 557 report and Loc. Could be a Pirate, unusual procedure.
G3KEV
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------=_NextPart_000_001C_01CA7CDD.391981B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.11]) by air-di01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI012-eab74b2d6b8233b; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 19:10:42 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EEF6F38000087; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 19:10:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NM9Hh-0004Fp-Rr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 00:04:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NM9Hh-0004Fg-Fx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 00:04:29 +0000 Received: from warsl404pip4.highway.telekom.at ([195.3.96.117] helo=email.aon.at) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NM9L9-000552-OZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 00:08:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 6789 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2009 00:08:41 -0000 Received: from 188-23-64-100.adsl.highway.telekom.at (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([188.23.64.100]) (envelope-sender ) by smarthub95.highway.telekom.at (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 20 Dec 2009 00:08:41 -0000 From: Gerhard Hickl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4B2D65E8.3030602@toya.net.pl> References: <1261259479.2447.5.camel@gerhard-desktop> <4B2D65E8.3030602@toya.net.pl> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 01:08:40 +0100 Message-ID: <1261267720.2929.4.camel@gerhard-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Beaconing Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600b4b2d6b816c83 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Piotr! Thank you for the report. Ossi is transmitting at 136.321. I think conditions will improve during the next hours and you will be able to copy more. My beacon will run for the next 2 or 3 hours. Best 73 es tnx OE3GHB Gerhard Am Sonntag, den 20.12.2009, 00:46 +0100 schrieb Piotr M=C5=82ynarski: > Gerhard Hickl wrote:=20 > > Hello group! > >=20 > > I'm going to transmit a beacon for several hours this night. Text is= "H" > > on 136.318, speed is QRSS90. > >=20 > > Ossi, OE5ODL is transmitting his "5" a few cps above. > >=20 > > We both use roughly 50W antenna input. > >=20 > > =20 >=20 > Dear Gerhard, LF Group > i've set up ad hoc my RX loop which "sits " on my balcony. It is > not the best place for an antenna ( not to mention city center)=20 > but i saw definitely a 90 sec dot on the screen so maybe it will > provide you with some info upon prop this night=20 > the sound card is not calibrated so do not be surprised by a 1Hz or > 2 offset with respect to your tx qrg. I set Argo speed as 60 sec > dot > just to see more spectrum and possibly two stations ( i do not know > the exact qrg of Ossi, OE5ODL) I have set the refresh rate of the > grabber=20 > as 10 minutes and you can see all of this at: > http://www.toya.net.pl/~mlynarski >=20 >=20 > Yours, Piotr, sq7mpj >=20 > qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ >=20 > p.s. will leave the grabber running through the night=20 > =20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md06.mx.aol.com (rly-md06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.144]) by air-md02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD023-90b4b22645d3f; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:25:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD063-90b4b22645d3f; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:25:19 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ7Ln-0008E5-ME for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:24:11 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ7Ln-0008Dw-58 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:24:11 +0000 Received: from mail-yw0-f185.google.com ([209.85.211.185]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ7Li-00012m-Sl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:24:11 +0000 Received: by ywh15 with SMTP id 15so949259ywh.5 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 07:24:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=YtEfGvb3o5+8fnrt/Iq8mlXrTs44HIj9cYc1UsTDTnQ=; b=IW7m89qaRCWEeJbKKSt3/VnI8yK5duS4wgUYXKA8F+2QximYtu8XYHJH3atAtcEv3/ 1PgRKj7+P8pRz+s3kO1AqB4jE+4FJ9NZqKD2Ba/jyqOnjpE/NuHfqpTlTSfcl5rRHB2+ NWIrYFJRk5/NVkDQs9cOoILc0Xy+MzvoPxT0M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=UaPxMUKVssmoPBnvJWniCuWFbz4Qs14BnBeFnWSJAjehwqcZhmE/d501G8iBy5XER9 6A5vmxx97oIWCE2CMN5jRgjocwGhMV9QnA/FXRNmOdnwaOXXAiBUDlQd3lbv5b2XhnI/ hIEUsb6LcW3EjzYRGaRP0hMuHAG/y+sHUjoyU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.56.1 with SMTP id e1mr2599222yba.225.1260545040479; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 07:24:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <88EEC52E6C874CCEB966804D073A3376@White> References: <88EEC52E6C874CCEB966804D073A3376@White> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:24:00 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca70912110724l43b18b68t5d2f18849fb14147@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m273.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Markus, My antenna tuning unit is outside 100 meters away from the ham shack. I am unwilling to go out in the winter night to retune the antenna to QSY to the lower frequency segment. --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 3:38 AM, Markus Vester wrot= e: > Dear LF, > > the passage should have said: > > Taking into account the path of mutual darkness, this would mean that al= l > stations should transmit in the=A0UPPER band during their evenings until= local > midnight, and then QSY to the lower band for the rest of the night. > > Sorry for the confusion. > > 73, Markus > From: Markus Vester > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 12:14 AM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes > Dear LF group, > > recently we find the "transatlantic waterhole" around 137.777 kHz quite > busy. Several Europeans have started beaconing within this segment. And > there has been some fast (QRSS3 or 10) activity, with wide traces coveri= ng > up possible transatlantic DX signalling frequencies. > > During the last years, we have=A0attempted to=A0split the frequency band= s > for=A0both directions of transatlantic work.=A0Traditional segments were= =A0around > 137.777 kHz west-to-east (for Americans transmitting towards Eu), and ar= ound > 136.320 kHz east-west (for Eu to stateside).=A0Slow modes (QRSS or DFCW,= 60 > second and longer)=A0were used almost exclusively there, and several sta= tions > were able to successfully cross the pond in either direction. > > The situation has become a little more intricate as=A0more stations from= other > parts of the world (eg. Asia, China, Japan) are joining the game with > sensitive receivers and good signals. But I still think it would be help= ful > to separate RX and TX bands within each area as much as possible. > > My suggestion would be to=A0stick with the east-west=A0versus west-east > allocation of the two slots. Taking into account the path of mutual > darkness, this would mean that all stations should transmit in the lower > band during their evenings until local midnight, and then QSY to the low= er > band for the rest of the night. Receiver settings=A0would=A0of course be= vice > versa. > > I'm aware that this=A0scheme cannot be perfect and universal. It won't= cover > North-South hauls, and would not protect=A0signals during early or late > openings. But it's simple enough, and I believe it would still be very > useful. Please don't get me wrong - I do not want to discourage anyone= from > putting out a=A0signal, and certainly=A0reject the notion of=A0anything > reminiscent of=A0a=A0"band police". I just think a little coordination= may help > all of us to=A0be successful on this=A0challenging and fascinating band. > > Let me have your thoughts... > > 73 de Markus, DF6NM > > http://freenet-homepage.de/df6nm/Grabber.htm > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df01.mx.aol.com (rly-df01.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.14]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF021-5284b20f0c31bf; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:00:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF015-5284b20f0c31bf; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:59:48 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIibe-0002IB-VH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:58:54 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIibe-0002I2-BB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:58:54 +0000 Received: from qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.24]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIibb-0000AZ-MV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:58:53 +0000 Received: from OMTA23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.74]) by QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FQaL1d00A1c6gX852QykcP; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:58:44 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([76.23.233.102]) by OMTA23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FR7c1d0032DDHkk3jR7cF7; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:07:36 +0000 Message-ID: <006e01ca7998$809c0960$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep" Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:58:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: SAQ in CT Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 A couple from the early SAQ session. Can't report on signal strength as the receiving setup is entirely different than used in the past, although copy seems to be on par with good previous receptions. The files below are about 5 megs each. Tuneup: http://www.w1vd.com/SAQ121009A.wav Message: http://www.w1vd.com/SAQ121009B.wav Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma05.mx.aol.com (rly-ma05.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.49]) by air-ma02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA024-8a74b2575a3318; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:15:55 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA051-8a74b2575a3318; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:15:50 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJxbt-0002ME-6d for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:12:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJxbs-0002M5-G0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:12:16 +0000 Received: from rekin23.go2.pl ([193.17.41.16]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJxcT-0007IZ-W1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:12:57 +0000 Received: from rekin23.go2.pl (rekin23 [127.0.0.1]) by rekin23.go2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBD331288ED for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:12:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from unknown (unknown [10.0.0.142]) by rekin23.go2.pl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:12:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from 58-178-124-188.rev.pro-internet.pl [188.124.178.58] by poczta.o2.pl with ESMTP id lrpWjY; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:12:55 +0100 Message-ID: <01b501ca7c49$c99d3360$3ab27cbc@ap6fnsa53r3k6h> From: "Marcin" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC1F@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B23B319.9080005@usa.net> <4B23C4B5.10102@freenet.de> <003e01ca7b4d$307ac190$3ab27cbc@ap6fnsa53r3k6h> <4B23E5CD.6090209@freenet.de> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:12:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-O2-Trust: 2, 61 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Japanese time&frequency station Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Wolf, Alberto Wery thank for information. 73! Marcin SQ2BXI > Hi Marcin, > At the very moment on VLF..LF : > > 22.1 kHz GQD (Anthorn), strong, > 23.4 kHz DHO, extremely strong (my "VLF neighbour", hi) > 24.0 NAA Cutler, USA, about 40 dB weaker than DHO but very cleary visible, > 25.2 NML La Moure, USA, about 10 dB weaker than NAA but still visible > around 30 kHz : hell of a noise from energy saving QRM generators, > 37.5 kHz TFK from Iceland, strong, > around 40 kHz : lots of noise again, almost masking NAU on 40.75 kHz, > 45.9 NSY (US navy from Italy), very strong also, > 51.95 GYW from Scotland, > 53.4 TBG from Turkey with a RTTY-like sound (no MSK) > > plus a few 'unidentified' signals which don't look like MSK . > 73, Wolf . > > > Marcin schrieb: > > Hello Wolf > > Whats stations copy your monitor to range: 22-50kHz? > > 73! Marcin SQ2BXI > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc02.mx.aol.com (rly-mc02.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.86]) by air-mc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC072-d5b4b1817e137f; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:56:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC023-d5b4b1817e137f; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:56:19 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGHln-00041n-RF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:55:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGHln-00041e-FL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:55:19 +0000 Received: from mailout04.t-online.de ([194.25.134.18]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGHlm-0007vF-UV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:55:19 +0000 Received: from fwd10.aul.t-online.de by mailout04.t-online.de with smtp id 1NGHll-0007sL-02; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:55:17 +0100 Received: from e7010 (VajDXEZfghJdMTsv7USONLjLlO7s4RLmwqFBPaMoRs6noJDXREpkqV6vq1tF5jqwHw@[84.147.255.196]) by fwd10.aul.t-online.de with smtp id 1NGHlj-2IhYau0; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:55:15 +0100 Message-ID: <003401ca7452$87aaabd0$6402a8c0@e7010> From: "Walter und Marianne Staubach" To: Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:55:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-ID: VajDXEZfghJdMTsv7USONLjLlO7s4RLmwqFBPaMoRs6noJDXREpkqV6vq1tF5jqwHw X-TOI-MSGID: dc608ec6-ba22-4c98-97c8-cc4324479dd9 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: DI2AG WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01CA745A.E762F020" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CA745A.E762F020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear MF, DI2AG beacon QRV in WSPR on 505.090KHz. Power 0.4W ERP. Duty= cycle 33%. Please send your reports to the database. Thanks. 73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CA745A.E762F020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear MF,
      &= nbsp; DI2AG=20 beacon QRV in WSPR on 505.090KHz. Power 0.4W ERP. Duty cycle 33%.
Please send your reports to the datab= ase.=20 Thanks.
73    Walter  DI2= AG /=20 DJ2LF
 
------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CA745A.E762F020-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.18]) by air-ma10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA104-b5474b2fb466b8; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 12:46:14 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E6887380000A3; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 12:46:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMmEc-0002vz-Me for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:39:54 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMmEc-0002vq-9w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:39:54 +0000 Received: from warsl404pip4.highway.telekom.at ([195.3.96.117] helo=email.aon.at) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMmJm-0004dF-1p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:45:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 13602 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2009 17:45:06 -0000 Received: from 91-115-179-178.adsl.highway.telekom.at (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([91.115.179.178]) (envelope-sender ) by smarthub95.highway.telekom.at (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 21 Dec 2009 17:45:06 -0000 From: Gerhard Hickl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4B2F4A9E.18930.65980E@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> References: <4B2E5DDD.19628.1BDFE41@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> , <1261337394.5621.6.camel@gerhard-desktop> <4B2F4A9E.18930.65980E@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:45:06 +0100 Message-ID: <1261417506.1906.2.camel@gerhard-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: test this afternoon Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60124b2fb4656841 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Mike! Thanks for the schematic. I will try to build a similar thing with the parts I have in my junk box. Thanks you and Cheers OE3GHB Gerhard Am Montag, den 21.12.2009, 10:14 +0000 schrieb Mike Dennison: > The circuiit and notes are at: > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mike.dennison/index/lf/timer.htm > Please note that this was a junk box project and will need to be > changed to suit the components you have available. > > Mike, G3XDV > ========== > > > I had exactly the same problem with overheating and burned wires a > > week ago. So for this reason I would be interested which kind of > > "watchdog" you installed. > > > > Could you please make the schematic public? > > > > I think many of us have concerns about safety when the TX is on while > > we are sleeping. > > > > 73 > > > > OE3GHB > > > > Gerhard > > > > > > > > Am Sonntag, den 20.12.2009, 17:24 +0000 schrieb Mike Dennison: > > > A successful test this afternoon has proved my new safety timer that > > > cuts off the transmitter if it has been sending continuously for > > > more than 7 minutes. This gives me more confidence to transmit > > > overnight (after a worrying overheating incident a couple of weeks > > > ago) and I will run some night-time beacons as soon as the weather > > > becomes more reliable - more snow forecast here tonight. > > > > > > MIke, G3XDV > > > ========== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.89]) by air-mf03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF033-8be34b3cd6e53d4; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:52:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 30FD638000227; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:52:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQOEz-0005UH-OM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:51:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQOEz-0005U8-EG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:51:13 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQOEy-00083P-RV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:51:13 +0000 Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091231165107.JWYO17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:51:07 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091231165106.QJIH22934.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:51:06 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:50:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B3CD672.19169.6D3223C@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=gWr1CG1QS1ZjcxpEBDIA:9 a=OzZdBLPRTRoEabzav209pxZKqCkA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: XDV beacon Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40594b3cd6d27930 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I shall be ringing in the New Year by sending 'XDV' at QRSS60 on 136.3198kHz. I note that PA3CPM is on 136.3182kHz now. Mike, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf03.mx.aol.com (rly-mf03.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.173]) by air-mf10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF104-94c4b156317295; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:40:34 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF032-94c4b156317295; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:40:25 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFXdF-0002T9-8r for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:39:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFXdE-0002T0-U1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:39:24 +0000 Received: from smtp03.online.nl ([194.134.41.33]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFXdE-0000vs-AK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:39:24 +0000 Received: from smtp03.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp03.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A8856818C for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 19:39:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp03.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 19:39:18 +0100 (CET) From: To: "blacksheep" Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 19:39:18 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp03.online.nl) X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: 136 beacon Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello all, Henny,PA3CPM is beaconing at 136.540 KHz, QRSS10. Reports are apriciated, 73 Victor PA3FNY From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df08.mx.aol.com (rly-df08.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.21]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF041-56b4b2508bed5; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:31:21 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF082-56b4b2508bed5; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:31:12 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJqNk-0004HI-FW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:29:12 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJqNk-0004H9-4U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:29:12 +0000 Received: from smtp-out112.alice.it ([85.37.17.112]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJqOJ-0003T6-EI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:29:49 +0000 Received: from FBCMMO01.fbc.local ([192.168.68.195]) by smtp-out112.alice.it with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:29:40 +0100 Received: from FBCMCL01B05.fbc.local ([192.168.69.86]) by FBCMMO01.fbc.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:29:40 +0100 Received: from IK1ODO.spin-it.com ([87.24.41.185]) by FBCMCL01B05.fbc.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:29:39 +0100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:29:22 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Marco IK1ODO Cc: ik1hss@arrl.net In-Reply-To: <6E7638745A1B43168C402CDBB010C2A7@AGB> References: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> <241919.87622.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9afca2640912130305r3acb5e5fs991caaa1115d2255@mail.gmail.com> <6E7638745A1B43168C402CDBB010C2A7@AGB> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2009 15:29:39.0833 (UTC) FILETIME=[15F3CE90:01CA7C09] X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: IK1HSS WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 IK1HSS is active in WSPR on 137.740 (signal frequency, carrier is at 136.420). ERP power is 50 mW from JN35TB. Reports are appreciated to ik1hss@arrl.net ! 73 - Marco IK1ODO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb05.mx.aol.com (rly-mb05.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.163]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB071-d074b33479e2ef; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 05:51:22 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB053-d074b33479e2ef; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 05:51:11 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNlGO-0007xK-Ki for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:49:48 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNlGO-0007xB-51 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:49:48 +0000 Received: from mailout03.t-online.de ([194.25.134.81]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNlGM-0000ms-3h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:49:48 +0000 Received: from fwd04.aul.t-online.de by mailout03.t-online.de with smtp id 1NNlGH-0006Le-01; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:49:41 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.32] (VOsI-EZHghJ8JTxGyn2MnklIQCBILAPrQD16H+yGYb-UIRt1QcPrMJsw38HVasDwI-@[93.211.74.88]) by fwd04.t-online.de with esmtp id 1NNlFj-1ejPqC0; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:49:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de References:<4B3328FF.1000303@junkshifta.co.uk> <031201ca847d$3f968d10$0217aac0@desktop> In-Reply-To:<031201ca847d$3f968d10$0217aac0@desktop> To: X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 6.08.0003 Date: 24 Dec 2009 10:49 GMT Message-ID: <1NNlFj-1ejPqC0@fwd04.t-online.de> X-ID: VOsI-EZHghJ8JTxGyn2MnklIQCBILAPrQD16H+yGYb-UIRt1QcPrMJsw38HVasDwI- X-TOI-MSGID: 06b9a782-b36b-4cac-845e-c63c165c572c X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: RE: RE: saq Christmas transmission Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear James, according to the last SAQ message ther is no repetition at 16.00 UTC today, sri. 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "James Cowburn" schrieb: > Slept in and missed it!!!! (Red wine!!) > > Are they on air again at 16.00 utc??? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Lee Hudson > Sent: 24 December 2009 09:06 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: RE: saq Christmas transmission > > Hi Simon, LF Group > > Just put this recording on the web of the SAQ transmision. > Not as good as the ones earlier in the month. > > http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/SAQ%2020091224%200800utc%20Message.MP3 > > 73, > Lee M0LMH. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Simon Newhouse > Sent: 24 December 2009 08:41 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: saq Christmas transmission > > > Hello group, > > Has anyone made a recording of the SAQ broadcast this morning ? I > thought I had got it only to find that the soft ware was only recording > up to 5khz GRRRRRrrr.. That'll teach me to check my settings. Any way > the idea was to decode it at my leisure as I'm just learning morse. > > If any one has a recording that they could post to me I'd be very greatful. > > Thanks in advance. > > > Simon > > M0NWY. > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.117/2583 - Release Date: 12/23/09 > 19:02:00 > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (rly-mg04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.110]) by air-mg05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG051-a074b17cebd2a; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:44:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG041-a074b17cebd2a; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:44:15 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGCtf-000285-Tc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:43:07 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGCtf-00027w-CY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:43:07 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGCtd-0005zS-VJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:43:07 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nB3Eh2RC000444 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 15:43:02 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:43:03 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 15:43:05 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB1C@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <4B17A134.2020805@telia.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Fwd: Extra transmission with SAQ Dec 10 2009] Thread-Index: Acp0DMT8SUjNJrn+TdezjxMb+z8OYgAGdg2A From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.604;03.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.3.143318 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA7426.EB288FFD" Subject: LF: AW: [Fwd: Extra transmission with SAQ Dec 10 2009] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7426.EB288FFD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The german physicist is called Karl Ferdinand Braun (http://en.wikipedia.o= rg/wiki/Karl_Ferdinand_Braun )! =20 =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von Johan H. Bodin Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. Dezember 2009 12:30 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: [Fwd: Extra transmission with SAQ Dec 10 2009] =20 -------- Ursprungligt meddelande --------=20 =C4mne:=20 Extra transmission with SAQ Dec 10 2009 Datum:=20 Thu, 3 Dec 2009 10:07:58 +0100 Fr=E5n:=20 Lars Kalland Till:=20 AA/Lars K=E5lland =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 EXTRA GRIMETON RADIO/SAQ TRANSMISSION =20 =20 There will be a transmission with the Alexanderson alternator on 17,2 kHz= on December 10 2009 at 08:00 UTC and will be repeated at 16:00 UTC the sa= me day. =20 The reason for the extra transmission is a centenary commemoration of the= Nobel Prize given to Guglielmo Marconi and Karl Ferdinand Brown. =20 We do not require any QSL-reports this time and will not verify. =20 Regards. =20 =20 SM6NM/Lars =20 =20 =20 P.S.We still intend to continue with our annual transmissions on Christmas= Eve (morning), Dec 24, at 08:00 UTC with tuning up from 07:30 UTC. D.S. =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7426.EB288FFD Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The germ= an physicist is called Karl Ferdinand Braun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wi= ki/Karl_Ferdinand_Braun )!

 

 

-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org] Im Auftrag von Johan= H. Bodin
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. De= zember 2009 12:30
An: rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org
Betreff: LF: [Fwd: Extra transmission with SAQ Dec 10 2009]

 



-------- Ursprungligt meddelande --------

=C4mne:

Extra transmission with SAQ Dec 10= 2009

Datum:

Thu, 3 Dec 2009 10:07:58 +0100

Fr=E5n:

Lars Kalland <lars.kalland@telia.com>

Till:

AA/Lars K=E5lland <sm6nm@telia.com>

 

 

 

 

 

EXTRA

 GRIMETON RADIO/S= AQ TRANSMISSION

 

 

There will be a transmission with the Alexanderson alternator on 17,2 kHz on December 10 2009 at 08:00 UTC and will be repea= ted at 16:00 UTC the same= day.

 

The reason for the extra transmission is a centenary commemoration of the Nobel Prize giv= en to Guglielmo Marconi and Karl Ferdinand Brown.

 

We do not require any QSL-reports this time and will not verify.=

 

Regards.

 

 

SM6NM/Lars

 

 

 

P.S.We still intend to continue with our annual transmissions on Christmas Eve (morning= ), Dec 24, at 08:00 UTC wit= h tuning up from 07:30 UTC. D.S.

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7426.EB288FFD-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me02.mx.aol.com (rly-me02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.35]) by air-me02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME024-9a14b226d7f329; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:04:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME025-9a14b226d7f329; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:04:17 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ7xU-0000Cf-0z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:03:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ7xT-0000CV-FX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:03:07 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s21.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ7xS-0001cB-Ju for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:03:07 +0000 Received: from BLU146-DS4 ([65.55.116.8]) by blu0-omc1-s21.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:03:00 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [117.12.236.134] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: To: Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:02:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Dec 2009 16:03:00.0308 (UTC) FILETIME=[69809140:01CA7A7B] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: sequencing Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01CA7A7B.689B1340" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CA7A7B.689B1340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ill have the normal 137.775/781 window up tonight in China and second= one on centred on 136.318 - they should auto refresh once in a while. 137.777 window http://kl1x.com/137777China.html 136.318 window http://kl1x.com/136318China.html I cant guarantee they will stay on the assigned freqs as I play on 500= and HF as well - the 136.318 rx is off by about 0.1 Hz or so. Budapes= t is S9 and DCF39 up to S8 Good luck Laurence KL 1 X in BY3A R75 and SDRIQ ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CA7A7B.689B1340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ill have the normal 137.775/781 window up to= night in=20 China and second one on centred on 136.318 - they should auto refresh= once in a=20 while.
 
 
 
 
I cant guarantee they will stay on the assig= ned freqs as=20 I play on 500 and HF as well - the 136.318 rx is off by about 0.1 Hz= or so.=20 Budapest is S9 and DCF39 up to S8
 
Good luck
Laurence KL 1 X in BY3A
R75 and SDRIQ
 
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CA7A7B.689B1340-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (rly-dd09.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.156]) by air-dd03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD034-b9c4b1b89bd2c1; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 05:39:02 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD096-b9c4b1b89bd2c1; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 05:38:54 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHEVB-0003pF-QC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:38:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHEVB-0003p6-EY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:38:05 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHEVA-0005sS-SB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:38:05 +0000 Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl (dovemail11.xs4all.nl [194.109.26.13]) by smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nB6Abt1T000451 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:38:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Received: from 82.161.81.65 (SquirrelMail authenticated user pa0rdt) by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:38:04 +0100 Message-ID: <6f6323b4ef15ccb35053e16372a12d8e.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <4B1AB45C.8080403@ukonline.co.uk> References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <1259777260.4b16acec27aa8@imp.netikka.net> <4B179D08.3030706@ukonline.co.uk> <4B1AB45C.8080403@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:38:04 +0100 From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.18 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: reducing common-mode noise Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Peter, Thank you for your answer. I have used one at the input of a broadband pre-amplifier for a MW Dx-er and it reduced the noise and signals received on a 50 m long coaxial feedline of a KAZ antenna and also restored the directional pattern. 73, Roelof, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md05.mx.aol.com (rly-md05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.143]) by air-md04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD041-9014b222d9b1e4; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 06:31:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD051-9014b222d9b1e4; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 06:31:41 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ3hj-0005xT-LV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:30:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ3hj-0005xK-1D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:30:35 +0000 Received: from qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.24]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ3hh-00082E-KS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:30:35 +0000 Received: from OMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.35]) by QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FnMA1d0040ldTLk52nWTM3; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:30:27 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([76.23.233.102]) by OMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FnWR1d0042DDHkk3QnWRq7; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:30:27 +0000 Message-ID: <00f001ca7a55$55dac550$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 06:30:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: Re: Intercontinental LF waterholes Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00EC_01CA7A2B.6BFE70E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00EC_01CA7A2B.6BFE70E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marcus, T/A enthusiasts Thanks for bringing this issue up for discussion - hope you get a better response than I did last year ;~) In the northeast USA it is impossible to monitor the 'high' waterhole for T/A when either XGJ or XES is on the air. The problem cannot be fixed with directional receiving antennas. In previous years I did quite a bit of T/A reception work but now rarely even take a look at the 'high' watering hole. Not attempting to police the band but merely point out the situation. If stations return to the 'low' watering hole I will certainly listen (watch). Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 6:14 PM Subject: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes Dear LF group, recently we find the "transatlantic waterhole" around 137.777 kHz quite busy. Several Europeans have started beaconing within this segment. And there has been some fast (QRSS3 or 10) activity, with wide traces covering up possible transatlantic DX signalling frequencies. During the last years, we have attempted to split the frequency bands for both directions of transatlantic work. Traditional segments were around 137.777 kHz west-to-east (for Americans transmitting towards Eu), and around 136.320 kHz east-west (for Eu to stateside). Slow modes (QRSS or DFCW, 60 second and longer) were used almost exclusively there, and several stations were able to successfully cross the pond in either direction. The situation has become a little more intricate as more stations from other parts of the world (eg. Asia, China, Japan) are joining the game with sensitive receivers and good signals. But I still think it would be helpful to separate RX and TX bands within each area as much as possible. My suggestion would be to stick with the east-west versus west-east allocation of the two slots. Taking into account the path of mutual darkness, this would mean that all stations should transmit in the lower band during their evenings until local midnight, and then QSY to the lower band for the rest of the night. Receiver settings would of course be vice versa. I'm aware that this scheme cannot be perfect and universal. It won't cover North-South hauls, and would not protect signals during early or late openings. But it's simple enough, and I believe it would still be very useful. Please don't get me wrong - I do not want to discourage anyone from putting out a signal, and certainly reject the notion of anything reminiscent of a "band police". I just think a little coordination may help all of us to be successful on this challenging and fascinating band. Let me have your thoughts... 73 de Markus, DF6NM http://freenet-homepage.de/df6nm/Grabber.htm ------=_NextPart_000_00EC_01CA7A2B.6BFE70E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Marcus, T/A enthusiasts
 
Thanks for bringing this issue up for= discussion -=20 hope you get a better response than I did last year ;~)
 
In the northeast USA it is impossible=  to=20 monitor the 'high' waterhole for T/A when either XGJ or XES is on= the air.=20 The problem cannot be fixed with directional receiving antennas. In pr= evious=20 years I did quite a bit of T/A reception work but now rarely even take= a look at=20 the 'high' watering hole. 
 
Not attempting to police the band but= merely point=20 out the situation. If stations return to the 'low' watering hole I wil= l=20 certainly listen (watch).
 
Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2<= /FONT>
 
    
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 10,= 2009 6:14=20 PM
Subject: LF: Intercontinental= LF=20 waterholes

Dear LF group,
 
recently we find the "transatlantic= waterhole"=20 around 137.777 kHz quite busy. Several Europeans have started beacon= ing within=20 this segment. And there has been some fast (QRSS3 or 10) activity,= with wide=20 traces covering up possible transatlantic DX signalling=20 frequencies.
 
During the last years, we have = ;attempted=20 to split the frequency bands for both directions of transa= tlantic=20 work. Traditional segments were around 137.777 kHz west-to= -east (for=20 Americans transmitting towards Eu), and around 136.320 kHz east-west= (for Eu=20 to stateside). Slow modes (Q= RSS or DFCW,=20 60 second and longer) were used almost exclusively there, and= several=20 stations were able to successfully cross the pond in either=20 direction.
 
The situation has become a little= more intricate=20 as more stations from other parts of the world (eg. Asia, China= , Japan)=20 are joining the game with sensitive receivers and good signals. But= I still=20 think it would be helpful to separate RX and TX bands within each ar= ea as much=20 as possible.
 
My suggestion would be to stic= k with the=20 east-west versus west-east allocation of the two slots. Taking= into=20 account the path of mutual darkness, this would mean that all statio= ns should=20 transmit in the lower band during their evenings until local midnigh= t, and=20 then QSY to the lower band for the rest of the night. Receiver=20 settings would of course be vice versa.
 
I'm aware that this scheme can= not be perfect=20 and universal. It won't cover North-South hauls, and would not=20 protect signals during early or late openings. But it's simple enough, and I believe it would= still be very=20 useful. Please don't get me wrong= - I do not=20 want to discourage anyone from putting out a signal, and=20 certainly reject the notion of anything reminiscent=20 of a "band police". I just think a little coordination may= help all=20 of us to be successful on this challenging and fascinating= =20 band.
 
Let me have your thoughts...=
 
73 de Markus, DF6NM
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_00EC_01CA7A2B.6BFE70E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (rly-mf05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.175]) by air-mf07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF074-9604b332f74393; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 04:08:22 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF056-9604b332f74393; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 04:08:05 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNjfB-0007Is-KM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:07:17 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNjfB-0007Ie-3Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:07:17 +0000 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNjf9-00009z-7P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:07:17 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4EAIq9MktZ8Xja/2dsb2JhbACNVQaOU7hhhDME X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,448,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="233204906" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([89.241.120.218]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2009 09:07:09 +0000 Message-ID: <001101ca8478$7a4c6790$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:07:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: MF WE2XGR/6 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA8478.79F8F060" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA8478.79F8F060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Strong signal this morning at 0300 utc rst 569, on 600 m band. Ant 40m= vert loop E/W. The signal would have been even stronger on the 1/4 wa= ve inv L Good time for a CW QSO de mal/g3kev =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA8478.79F8F060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Strong signal this morning at 0300 ut= c rst=20 569, on 600 m band. Ant 40m vert loop E/W. The signal would&= nbsp;have=20 been even stronger on the 1/4 wave inv L
Good time for a CW QSO
 
de mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA8478.79F8F060-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.221]) by air-ma07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA071-b52c4b3a8a84378; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:02:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2E87638000107; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:02:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPl4Q-0001UL-0B for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:01:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPl4P-0001UC-LH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:01:41 +0000 Received: from qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.40]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPl4O-00063S-33 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:01:41 +0000 Received: from OMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.20]) by QMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id P7p21d0060SCNGk54B1aqk; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:01:34 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([76.23.233.102]) by OMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id PB1Z1d0052DDHkk3VB1ZhQ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:01:34 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01ca88da$d8aaf110$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <005701ca88da$4eb82720$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:01:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: Re: WE2XGR/2 WE2XGR/6 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA88B0.EF3797A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60dd4b3a8a8457f5 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA88B0.EF3797A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mal Listened for you earlier but no joy. Gg to take another listen for your now. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: mal hamilton To: rsgb Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 5:57 PM Subject: LF: WE2XGR/2 WE2XGR/6 bOTH GOOD SIGNALS ON 507.3 CW, solid copy here at 2255utc mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA88B0.EF3797A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mal
 
Listened for you earlier but no joy.= Gg to take=20 another listen for your now.
 
Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2<= /FONT>
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Tuesday, December 29,= 2009 5:57=20 PM
Subject: LF: WE2XGR/2 WE2XGR/= 6

bOTH GOOD SIGNALS ON 507.3 CW, soli= d copy here at=20 2255utc
mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA88B0.EF3797A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da03.mx.aol.com (rly-da03.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.77]) by air-da02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA023-a5e4b2b6a2e3d6; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 06:40:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA036-a5e4b2b6a2e3d6; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 06:40:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLb7k-00013s-TQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:35:56 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLb7k-00013j-6J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:35:56 +0000 Received: from web28108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.128]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLbB5-0004SH-7x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:39:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 31251 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Dec 2009 11:39:16 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1261136356; bh=3xdts2AN+5qflmOZ3/Unen3Kud7yuAO2NNyj9xSD4yY=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GgYCpDMQE1CE/NANcsj+djT7gUPOiEJlYU7D6TGdkn+P5Ns3ujjle+xyHiYGVKx2j/ee6mslMaIAbviDIhwTdmbPhnFSLmZBO0OZ8Iei1Qeha1nC3PMJKw57Wj1F9SzLpn3D5gw+eYvKSbO3XBg3HKm/sBPsuYdpNS9aqfpBS7A= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jnI6OA4bf7s2VZ/VFbKQoZWQFDUgzTu7jqN3RAK1oqGkp55RcfFzEii83VozIk2M5wIKEZX22hmDAXE21jPRqbbP7gQyErgITQEKNaOV7sx9AMRhPKMkHRronMHMrqlUZ0xCNaFwY90lbkOpRT+h/V+IT+29yfZF5ium2F6EZ40=; Message-ID: <914980.30417.qm@web28108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: aHlTcMsVM1lReVi_S4iqS2qRy9FusVuu_69B_hmgf8sDluUabQ41LLwuL_44dQwXVXJBS7pgsiE5BZnyKmV_zOhTRVfM1QvqhORTYmADLo5Tj8WMJjU6QGCMJ93vILrFjE1fOxCJwz1iwdTlvQ.SH.vQowD9Glqeokx8izt7zKe30y46.5yV9TWJoGvkzaWhBjFGedf1YYYjiKTxd.reoAkZksiPY9sphUkPU3IrmqJZ1rUIfZ6LVQvObM6AWFrQTZn0A7NVNgWhzsRBeR_a3I7f Received: from [86.143.244.51] by web28108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 03:39:16 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 03:39:16 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-527477467-1261136356=:30417" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m201.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail --0-527477467-1261136356=:30417 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FYI=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 16|12|09 Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band) Following representations made by the Radio Society of Great Britain and= negotiations by Ofcom with the Maritime and Coastguard Agency, Ofcom has= decided to extend the period of Notices of Variation (NoVs) to the licenc= e for operation in the 501 to 504 kHz band until 29 February 2012. The max= imum effective radiated power (e.r.p.) limit is maintained at 10 dBW (10= W). Existing NoVs are due to expire at the end of February 2010.=20 There have been no reports of interference and investigation has shown tha= t a radiated power of 10 dBW is not likely to cause interference. Moreover= , NoV holders are permitted to operate only subject to causing no interfer= ence.=20 Special Research Permits under a Notice of Variation to the Licence are ma= de available to holders of Full Amateur Licences on a case by case basis= to applicants who can demonstrate a genuine interest in experimentation= at these frequencies and provide adequate supporting documentation for as= sessment.=20 Due to the usage of the spectrum around the 500 kHz bands, applicants shou= ld pay special attention to demonstrating technical and operational compet= ence in terms of transmitting within the frequency band and Effective Radi= ated Power (e.r.p.) parameters agreed with Ofcom. Previous experience at= 73 kHz as well as 136 kHz will be considered desirable in this respect to= ensure adequate steps are taken to limit any potential interference.=20 Ofcom will monitor any interference reports and also consider limiting num= bers if necessary in reviewing operation in the band. On no account will= an e.r.p. level of greater than 10 dBW be permitted under any circumstanc= e.=20 The standard application form (OfW306) for a Special Research Permit can= be downloaded at: http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/applicati= ons/ofw306.pdf=20 A fresh NoV will automatically be issued to existing NoV holders; new appl= ications are not required in this instance. Should a fresh NoV not be required or if you are in possession of an NoV= which is not required, please inform the Ofcom Licensing Centre stating= your name, call sign and Licence number preferably by e-mail to licensing= centre@ofcom.org.uk or alternatively by post to the address at the end of= the text.=20 Form OfW306 is also available on request from the Ofcom Licensing Centre= at:=20 Ofcom Licensing Centre=20 Amateur Radio Riverside House 2a Southwark Bridge Road London SE1 9HA=20 Tel: 020 7981 3131=20 73 es GL petefmt =20 --0-527477467-1261136356=:30417 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
FYI      = ; 16|12|09

Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band)=

Following representations made by the Radio Society of Great Britain= and negotiations by Ofcom with the Maritime and Coastguard Agency, Ofcom has decided to extend the period of Notices of Vari= ation (NoVs) to the licence for operation in the 501 to 504 kHz band until= 29 February 2012. The maximum effective radiated power (e= .r.p.) limit is maintained at 10 dBW (10 W). Existing NoVs are due to expi= re at the end of February 2010.
There have been no reports of interference and investigation= has shown that a radiated power of 10 dBW is not likely to cause interfer= ence. Moreover, NoV holders are permitted to operate only subject to causi= ng no interference.
Special Research Permits under a Notice of Variation to the Licence= are made available to holders of Full Amateur Licences on a case by case= basis to applicants who can demonstrate a genuine interest in experimenta= tion at these frequencies and provide adequate supporting documentation fo= r assessment.
Due to the usage of the spectrum around the 500 kHz bands, applicants= should pay special attention to demonstrating technical and operational= competence in terms of transmitting within the frequency band and Effecti= ve Radiated Power (e.r.p.) parameters agreed with Ofcom. Previous experien= ce at 73 kHz as well as 136 kHz will be considered desirable in this respe= ct to ensure adequate steps are taken to limit any potential interference.=
Ofcom will monitor any interference reports and also consider limitin= g numbers if necessary in reviewing operation in the band. On no account= will an e.r.p. level of greater than 10 dBW be permitted under any circum= stance.
The standard application form (OfW306) for a Special Research Permit= can be downloaded at:
http://www.ofcom.org.= uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/applications/ofw306.pdf
A fresh NoV will automatically be issued to existing NoV holders; new= applications are not required in this instance.
Should a fresh NoV not= be required or if you are in possession of an NoV which is not required,= please inform the Ofcom Licensing Centre stating your name, call sign and= Licence number preferably by e-mail to licensingcentre@ofcom.org.uk or alternatively by post to= the address at the end of the text.
Form OfW306 is also available on request from the Ofcom Licensing Cen= tre at:
Ofcom Licensing Centre
Amateur Radio
Riverside House
2a Sou= thwark Bridge Road
London SE1 9HA
Tel: 020 7981 3131

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=20 --0-527477467-1261136356=:30417-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md07.mx.aol.com (rly-md07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.145]) by air-md09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD092-9174b20de1f326; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:40:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD077-9174b20de1f326; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:40:17 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIhMg-0001wt-GN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:39:22 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIhMf-0001wk-W0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:39:22 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s29.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.40]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIhMc-00083d-LA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:39:21 +0000 Received: from BLU146-DS6 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s29.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 10 Dec 2009 03:39:11 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [117.12.234.152] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: To: References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <20091210100700.32DEC31E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <1260444821.6353.65.camel@vaio3rd> In-Reply-To: <1260444821.6353.65.camel@vaio3rd> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:39:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2009 11:39:11.0846 (UTC) FILETIME=[64973060:01CA798D] X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: AW: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Look forward to seeing the Signals Rik - The 13th will be my last weekend of Ops in China, and will be returning to Oklahoma in January ,,,,,,, Laurence KL 1 X in BY3A -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Wakatori" <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 11:33 AM To: Subject: Re: LF: AW: TX-2200A > I agree Rik's observation on the 100W limitation. > > Average CW operator is a KEY-technician without any science. > A good earth is essencial for LF operation, otherwise would get LF shock > at frame of transmitter. > Linear amplifier is based on self responsibility. > > There is another reason in a market place for such tranceiver in JP. > 100W/50W machine has much wider, say 100 times, of market place than 1KW > machine. > > In any way, there is still a high wall in front of a operator who > bought the machine, such tuner, good earth, good antenna and etc. > > In any way, I will operate QRSS60 using TX2200A/50W at 137780Hz+-1Hz in > a peak of peninsular from 01:00UTC to 02:30UTC on coming Sunday,December > 13,20 or 27 depending on crimate. > 73, > -- > -.. . --... .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-. > 7L1RLL under ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP) > URL=http://www1.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html > -..--- -.- .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-... ...-. > On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 11:07 +0100, Rik Strobbe wrote: >> Stefan, >> >> there is one good reason to limit the output >> power 100W: more power could become lethal (high antenna voltages / >> currents). >> The "black box operators" must be protected >> against this danger, otherwise they might go QRT due to "natural >> selection" :-) >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> At 10:19 10/12/2009, you wrote: >> >Warren, LF, >> >Tnx for the info! >> >I am not "afraid" that now many OMs come on the >> >band who just bought their rig, like on HF. Even >> >if you could buy a loading coil, you never will >> >get qrv satisfactorily cause you always have to >> >consider many things like the earth, the local >> >noise reduction, the impedance transformation to 50 Ohm and so on. >> >These OMs, even if they could buy a automatic >> >tuner (that would not be easy to create as a >> >commercial product) for LF, would be frustrated >> >soon cause there are no contests and no 100s of >> >stns calling on the band ;-) They would say "LF >> >is dead, just nerving qrm" and would never get >> >the fascination that we all experience. >> >Finally I don't understand why this PA has just >> >100W. To reach 1W ERP, most LFers have to apply >> >1kW and more, so 100W is QRP on LF ;-). 1kW can >> >easily be reached on LF without using expensive >> >special transistors and drivers and ferrite >> >cores. E.g. with one simple IRFP360 we can built >> >a 1kW high efficiency calss d or e PA that costs not even 50€... >> >These difficulties to get qrv is one part of the >> >LF hobby and if they are solved, one can be glad >> >even without doing 100s of qsos in one evening :-) >> > >> >Stefan / DK7FC >> >-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> >Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Warren >> >Ziegler >> >Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. Dezember 2009 16:30 >> >An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> >Betreff: LF: TX-2200A >> > >> >Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 >> >Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver >> >muting. >> >Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! >> > >> >http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf >> > >> > >> > >> >73 Warren K2ORS >> > WD2XGJ >> > WD2XSH/23 >> > WE2XEB/2 >> > WE2XGR/1 >> >> > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf06.mx.aol.com (rly-mf06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.176]) by air-mf09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF091-96a4b2d211f3ca; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:53:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF068-96a4b2d211f3ca; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:53:21 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NM4Ll-0003B3-9c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:48:21 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NM4Lk-0003Au-Tr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:48:20 +0000 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NM4Po-00065g-Q9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:52:34 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvgEABawLEtOlrSE/2dsb2JhbACOCgaOGbhRhC4E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,424,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="227884375" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.150.180.132]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2009 18:52:25 +0000 Message-ID: <002801ca80dc$639db200$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:52:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: HOT 500 RX Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01CA80DC.634A3AD0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01CA80DC.634A3AD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Using a marine RX Haghenuk EE 430 at present 10 kcs - 30 mcs. 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------=_NextPart_000_0025_01CA80DC.634A3AD0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.13]) by air-dc10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC104-86a84b3ca5bb3d; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 08:23:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6E03C3800008C; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 08:23:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQKyO-00047V-7J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:21:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQKyN-00047M-OC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:21:51 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQKyM-0006nu-4u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:21:51 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AA337B8047 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:21:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F0B31E702 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:21:38 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 3D58418056; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:21:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from 22.106-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (22.106-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [87.64.106.22]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:21:37 +0100 Message-ID: <20091231142137.ileq10eosgk0g4c4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:21:37 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <1f0624b90912310349r8408cbaof4bb6e0e17d6fb9a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b90912310349r8408cbaof4bb6e0e17d6fb9a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 87.64.106.22 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Grabber. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410d4b3ca5ba6e41 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Gary, maybe more compression in the jpeg. Using Corel Photo Paint I could reduce the file size to 50% with little visual impact. 73, Rik ON7YD Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > Hi All, > > Sorry to have to announce that my grabber is inoperative at the moment. > > It seems that I have regularly exceeded the daily quota set by the > ISP/web site provider. I have been transparently placed in > "restricted service" which is only allowing about 5 > uploads/downloads each day. I expect that it will take some time for > my average to come down sufficient to allow my regular uploads again. > > Also I will have to make the upload file sizes smaller & less > regular so as to keep within this upload limit. > > I will post a notice here when all is running normally again. > > 73 es HNY > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (rly-mf07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.177]) by air-mf10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF101-96b4b35381a12; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 17:09:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF071-96b4b35381a12; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 17:09:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOIKP-0003gr-6U for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 22:08:09 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOIKO-0003gi-H4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 22:08:08 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s6.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.16]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOIKM-0000qH-Lp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 22:08:08 +0000 Received: from COL122-W22 ([65.55.34.7]) by col0-omc1-s6.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:07:53 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:07:52 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Dec 2009 22:07:53.0442 (UTC) FILETIME=[B49C3420:01CA85AE] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_1807ed5f-6a76-43bd-abab-4b055aa69775_" Subject: LF: PAT_499kHz X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --_1807ed5f-6a76-43bd-abab-4b055aa69775_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_a1e96ae8-5f5e-4dc3-9d13-344cea9846a1_" --_a1e96ae8-5f5e-4dc3-9d13-344cea9846a1_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF! I see "PAT" well, it is 589 QSB audible signal. 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED infor= mace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_a1e96ae8-5f5e-4dc3-9d13-344cea9846a1_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF!
I see "PAT" well, it is 589 QSB audible signal.

73!
Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7A82.65078810-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma09.mx.aol.com (rly-ma09.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.53]) by air-ma05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA051-8c94b221dd11b4; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:24:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA093-8c94b221dd11b4; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:24:18 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ2eI-0004np-RZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:22:58 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ2eI-0004ng-Bz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:22:58 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ2eH-0006hd-Hl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:22:58 +0000 Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091211102252.KVSJ17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:22:52 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091211102251.LQIS2093.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:22:51 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:22:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B221D77.23434.434B0D@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <88EEC52E6C874CCEB966804D073A3376@White> References: , <88EEC52E6C874CCEB966804D073A3376@White> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1ggfb5FlKZQUfF3vzm9UBYZ2uTfLsbs/8dSljwg5+mE= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=CoL-6qTFAAAA:8 a=kva8DVtfiumVbL9qqVYA:9 a=_JMN-AUEVTue1n148n13gdFrjEAA:4 a=oWLST5IWEHIA:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=4SXIRHu93P0d4zZ3:21 a=H9aEk48mZv97H7Kj:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Markus is absolutely right. This should reduce QRM for those monitoring for DX, and improve the chance of two-way DX QSOs. However, I think many stations have recently used the upper slot because most grabbers are set for this area (except Markus's own excellent system). Is it possible for more grabbers to be dual frequency? Mke, G3XDV ========== On 11 Dec 2009 at 9:38, Markus Vester wrote: > Dear LF, > > the passage should have said: > > Taking into account the path of mutual darkness, this would mean that > all stations should transmit in the UPPER band during their evenings > until local midnight, and then QSY to the lower band for the rest of > the night. > > Sorry for the confusion. > > 73, Markus > > > From: Markus Vester > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 12:14 AM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes > > > Dear LF group, > > recently we find the "transatlantic waterhole" around 137.777 kHz > quite busy. Several Europeans have started beaconing within this > segment. And there has been some fast (QRSS3 or 10) activity, with > wide traces covering up possible transatlantic DX signalling > frequencies. > > During the last years, we have attempted to split the frequency bands > for both directions of transatlantic work. Traditional segments were > around 137.777 kHz west-to-east (for Americans transmitting towards > Eu), and around 136.320 kHz east-west (for Eu to stateside). Slow > modes (QRSS or DFCW, 60 second and longer) were used almost > exclusively there, and several stations were able to successfully > cross the pond in either direction. > > The situation has become a little more intricate as more stations from > other parts of the world (eg. Asia, China, Japan) are joining the game > with sensitive receivers and good signals. But I still think it would > be helpful to separate RX and TX bands within each area as much as > possible. > > My suggestion would be to stick with the east-west versus west-east > allocation of the two slots. Taking into account the path of mutual > darkness, this would mean that all stations should transmit in the > lower band during their evenings until local midnight, and then QSY to > the lower band for the rest of the night. Receiver settings would of > course be vice versa. > > I'm aware that this scheme cannot be perfect and universal. It won't > cover North-South hauls, and would not protect signals during early or > late openings. But it's simple enough, and I believe it would still be > very useful. Please don't get me wrong - I do not want to discourage > anyone from putting out a signal, and certainly reject the notion of > anything reminiscent of a "band police". I just think a little > coordination may help all of us to be successful on this challenging > and fascinating band. > > Let me have your thoughts... > > 73 de Markus, DF6NM > > http://freenet-homepage.de/df6nm/Grabber.htm > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd08.mx.aol.com (rly-dd08.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.155]) by air-dd01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD014-b904b1fa4bb25c; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:23:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD082-b904b1fa4bb25c; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:23:09 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIMUe-0001Lj-HL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:22:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIMUe-0001La-3G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:22:12 +0000 Received: from smtp829.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.13.164]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIMUd-0002tE-G9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:22:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 55686 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2009 13:22:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Importance:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To; b=h0Hez58QYSSCTzswjX/n5U4lxKALyGd7PIcM6eGfToFrNTtV+xPKQ49v/nsqE7I4f35wqj4T+b8q0+gV+7w8QBXtcDFBq6rMUaHoKSYgYJTe7AjqSQgsJhApQZ0wfWcFBQFJJfgUMFdcHMDJqR9cWNYLazk9qGIuaX6DLXcQHyQ= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Inspiron) (hudsonville@86.128.232.252 with login) by smtp829.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 13:22:04 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: T9P8HheswBCXVWXq3ajpBY99bVSvRxQZ2abOUyeQ53_fqQzzpx0V X-YMail-OSG: xUsaEQYVM1lzvpgdA0CjkmXvf8NGezXQBQQu3kfZe6GDOOkDUHyO1OgPfHsmYfLQzknb3mz95n0FxyY8C1w56nBy1doArkPuBIpIcm6QWIcx57FUn5bPmgDzKikHp.Po1vuNl3zuIe4zMpsXwGJjisiDe0l5VGwlKdexlQb7F2wJ.zoADJe3J27UyZj11nI6MridfshOxluudm8anHJoajhua6oRnid1o_5qqGw0 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Lee Hudson" To: Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:22:04 -0000 Message-ID: <0A667E7D7DF54FD9988B161C022FDEDA@Inspiron> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Acp40U2qh/sVECWEQmqHzZOXGW28VgAATCsg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <539393.64347.qm@web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.5 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: RE: LF: SAQ Testing Now Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01CA78D2.99949FC0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CA78D2.99949FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Seem to be back on again now 13:21utc Lee. M0LMH -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of M0FMT Sent: 09 December 2009 13:11 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: SAQ Testing Now Maybe too late but nothing heard hear IO91UX Hitchin Herts UK. ..... Four Alpha stations loud and clear a bit further down the band though..... Conditions have improved ! 73 Petefmt --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Johan H. Bodin wrote: From: Johan H. Bodin Subject: Re: LF: SAQ Testing Now To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 12:46 Still testing at 1247 UTC Johan SM6LKM Lee Hudson wrote: > 17.2kHz > > Lee. > M0LMH. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.99/2553 - Release Date: 12/08/09 19:54:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CA78D2.99949FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Seem=20 to be back on again now 13:21utc
 
Lee.
M0LMH
-----Original Message-----
Fro= m:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org]=20 On Behalf Of M0FMT
Sent: 09 December 2009 13:11
= To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: SAQ Testing= =20 Now

Maybe too late but nothing heard hear IO91UX Hitchin Hert= s UK.=20 ..... Four Alpha stations loud and clear a bit further down th= e band=20 though..... Conditions have improved !
 
73 Petefmt
 


--- On Wed, 9/12/09, Johan H. Bodin=20 <jh.bodin@telia.com> wrote:

From:=20 Johan H. Bodin <jh.bodin@telia.com>
Subject: Re: LF= : SAQ=20 Testing Now
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Wed= nesday, 9=20 December, 2009, 12:46

Still testing at 1247 UTC
Johan=20 SM6LKM

Lee Hudson wrote:
> 17.2kHz
> = ;
>=20 Lee.
> M0LMH.


No virus found in this incoming messa= ge.
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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CA78D2.99949FC0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df02.mx.aol.com (rly-df02.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.15]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF064-52f4b250d851c1; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:51:47 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF022-52f4b250d851c1; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:51:35 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJqi6-0004Tx-24 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:50:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJqi5-0004To-NU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:50:13 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJqiY-0004Xv-Pj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:50:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 14908 invoked by uid 507); 13 Dec 2009 16:50:29 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2009 16:50:29 +0100 Message-ID: <200912131650370753.08A01009@smtp2.numeo.fr> In-Reply-To: References: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> <241919.87622.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9afca2640912130305r3acb5e5fs991caaa1115d2255@mail.gmail.com> <6E7638745A1B43168C402CDBB010C2A7@AGB> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:50:37 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: ik1hss@arrl.net X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: Re: LF: IK1HSS WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 20 to 30dB over noise/LX at 1550z. John Rabson F5VLF 58800 Cervon France JN17vg *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 13/12/2009 at 16:29 Marco IK1ODO wrote: >IK1HSS is active in WSPR on 137.740 (signal frequency, carrier is at >136.420). >ERP power is 50 mW from JN35TB. > >Reports are appreciated to ik1hss@arrl.net ! > >73 - Marco IK1ODO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb02.mx.aol.com (rly-mb02.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.155]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB042-cee4b20d0d115c; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:43:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB022-cee4b20d0d115c; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:43:31 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIgTS-0001EU-R1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:42:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIgTS-0001EL-8D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:42:18 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIgTR-0001xq-EM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:42:18 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBAAgFja028063 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:42:15 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:42:15 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:42:17 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ABE9@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <20091210100700.32DEC31E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: AW: TX-2200A Thread-Index: Acp5gW2FA4OKFL6sSFWMbcvN5Pw+iAAAVBEw From: =?windows-1258?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.614;09.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.10.103038 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1258" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: LF: AW: TX-2200A X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Rik,=20 Of course, thats true ;-) Especially when they use a short wire like a dipole for 40m. But that dang= er can be reduced: You just need a loss resistance that is high enough, hi= ... But: I don't think high voltages in a region of 10kV will kill you (in suc= h a application, say 200W and 20m of wire in 10m height und a loss resista= nce of 100 Ohm). It is due to the skin effect (with 50Hz it would look com= pletely different, hi) and due to the fact that if you touch the loading= coil, the resonance (and so the voltage) gets off-tuned. But surely there= will be a hole burned in the finger / skin that is aching and smelling ;-= ) At work, when we present our institute on a tradeshow, we sometimes presen= t a series resonance circuit that is also operating in that frequency rang= e. In that circuit we have around 20...30kV and show a fluorescent lamp li= ghtning when touched at one end and so on. The power injected in this reso= nance circuit is also abt 100W. Almost everyone got a spark in the finger= in a moment of unconcentration but you just feel a pain in the finger for= that moment.=20 Anyway, I can renounce on it ;-) 73, Stefan / DK7FC -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Dezember 2009 11:07 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: AW: TX-2200A Stefan, there is one good reason to limit the output=20 power 100W: more power could become lethal (high antenna voltages / curren= ts). The "black box operators" must be protected=20 against this danger, otherwise they might go QRT due to "natural selection= " :-) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 10:19 10/12/2009, you wrote: >Warren, LF, >Tnx for the info! >I am not "afraid" that now many OMs come on the=20 >band who just bought their rig, like on HF. Even=20 >if you could buy a loading coil, you never will=20 >get qrv satisfactorily cause you always have to=20 >consider many things like the earth, the local=20 >noise reduction, the impedance transformation to 50 Ohm and so on. >These OMs, even if they could buy a automatic=20 >tuner (that would not be easy to create as a=20 >commercial product) for LF, would be frustrated=20 >soon cause there are no contests and no 100s of=20 >stns calling on the band ;-) They would say "LF=20 >is dead, just nerving qrm" and would never get=20 >the fascination that we all experience. >Finally I don't understand why this PA has just=20 >100W. To reach 1W ERP, most LFers have to apply=20 >1kW and more, so 100W is QRP on LF ;-). 1kW can=20 >easily be reached on LF without using expensive=20 >special transistors and drivers and ferrite=20 >cores. E.g. with one simple IRFP360 we can built=20 >a 1kW high efficiency calss d or e PA that costs not even 50=80... >These difficulties to get qrv is one part of the=20 >LF hobby and if they are solved, one can be glad=20 >even without doing 100s of qsos in one evening :-) > >Stefan / DK7FC >-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Warren Ziegler >Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. Dezember 2009 16:30 >An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Betreff: LF: TX-2200A > >Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 >Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver >muting. >Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! > >http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf > > > >73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (rly-dd04.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.151]) by air-dd09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD093-b724b19b0fce4; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 20:02:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD044-b724b19b0fce4; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 20:01:49 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGj0m-0003rI-98 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 01:00:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGj0l-0003r9-Hx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 01:00:35 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGj0k-000086-AK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 01:00:35 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 05 Dec 2009 01:00:25 -0000 Received: from p5DC43D4D.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.196.61.77] by mail.gmx.net (mp061) with SMTP; 05 Dec 2009 02:00:25 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19vdJoXXCtvYBycL0usFPplQ1IKF97GP0C1h3tSC1 CvlxsNQgGA1Yp2 Message-ID: <000a01ca7546$54b355c0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <59DC6AF25071476FA37B42E3896BC627@radiorummet> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 01:33:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.6,0.6 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01C9_01CA754A.F7A054F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_01C9_01CA754A.F7A054F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi GUs, see below: 2118 8 0.4 136.151499 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2138 9 0.6 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2144 8 0.7 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2218 7 0.6 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2222 8 0.7 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2226 9 0.8 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Gus To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:55 PM Subject: LF: WSPR on 137 kHz Hello LF-group, this evening i will transmit, WSPR on 137.650 kHz 136.150 kHz dial. Power abt 50 mW ERP. Transmitter start at 16:00 GMT All reports are welcome. You can also log on, www.sm6bhz.com 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.709 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.93/2544 - Ausgabedatum: 12/04/09 08:32:00 ------=_NextPart_000_01C9_01CA754A.F7A054F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi GUs,
 
see below:
 
2118   8  0.4 136.1514= 99  0=20 SM6BHZ JO57 17
2138   9  0.6 136.151500  0 SM6B= HZ JO57=20 17
2144   8  0.7 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ JO57=20 17
2218   7  0.6 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ JO57=20 17
2222   8  0.7 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ JO57=20 17
2226   9  0.8 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ JO57=20 17
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gus=
Sent: Friday, December 04, 20= 09 4:55=20 PM
Subject: LF: WSPR on 137 kHz<= /DIV>

Hello=20 LF-group,
this=20 evening i will transmit, WSPR on 137.650 kHz 136.150 kHz dial. Power abt 50 mW ERP.=
= Transmitter=20 start at 16:00 GMT
All=20 reports are welcome.
You can also log on,=20
 
73= de Gus=20 SM6BHZ


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------=_NextPart_000_01C9_01CA754A.F7A054F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de03.mx.aol.com (rly-de03.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.139]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE053-4c04b22269d1a1; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 06:02:02 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE031-4c04b22269d1a1; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 06:01:51 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ3Ew-0005iv-2n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:00:50 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ3Ev-0005im-EJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:00:49 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ3Eq-00079p-4p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:00:49 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14D6B51C05A for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:59:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id D76C931E702 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:59:48 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:00:11 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <88EEC52E6C874CCEB966804D073A3376@White> References: <88EEC52E6C874CCEB966804D073A3376@White> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20091211105948.D76C931E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_10766237==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_10766237==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hello Marcus, if all stations switch at local midnight (UTC of course) this would result that in Europe there will be sub-band switching over a 4 hours period (from UA at the east to G/CT at the west), a period that both windows might be filled with "locals". Maybe it is better that all Europeans switch at the same moment (the same for North-America, and SE-Asia) ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 09:38 11/12/2009, you wrote: >Dear LF, > >the passage should have said: > >Taking into account the path of mutual darkness, this would mean >that all stations should transmit in the UPPER band during their >evenings until local midnight, and then QSY to the lower band for >the rest of the night. > >Sorry for the confusion. > >73, Markus > >From: Markus Vester >Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 12:14 AM >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Subject: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes > >Dear LF group, > >recently we find the "transatlantic waterhole" around 137.777 kHz >quite busy. Several Europeans have started beaconing within this >segment. And there has been some fast (QRSS3 or 10) activity, with >wide traces covering up possible transatlantic DX signalling frequencies. > >During the last years, we have attempted to split the frequency >bands for both directions of transatlantic work. Traditional >segments were around 137.777 kHz west-to-east (for Americans >transmitting towards Eu), and around 136.320 kHz east-west (for Eu >to stateside). Slow modes (QRSS or DFCW, 60 second and longer) were >used almost exclusively there, and several stations were able to >successfully cross the pond in either direction. > >The situation has become a little more intricate as more stations >from other parts of the world (eg. Asia, China, Japan) are joining >the game with sensitive receivers and good signals. But I still >think it would be helpful to separate RX and TX bands within each >area as much as possible. > >My suggestion would be to stick with the east-west versus west-east >allocation of the two slots. Taking into account the path of mutual >darkness, this would mean that all stations should transmit in the >lower band during their evenings until local midnight, and then QSY >to the lower band for the rest of the night. Receiver settings would >of course be vice versa. > >I'm aware that this scheme cannot be perfect and universal. It won't >cover North-South hauls, and would not protect signals during early >or late openings. But it's simple enough, and I believe it would >still be very useful. Please don't get me wrong - I do not want to >discourage anyone from putting out a signal, and certainly reject >the notion of anything reminiscent of a "band police". I just think >a little coordination may help all of us to be successful on this >challenging and fascinating band. > >Let me have your thoughts... > >73 de Markus, DF6NM > >http://freenet-homepage.de/df6nm/Grabber.htm > > --=====================_10766237==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hello Marcus,

if all stations switch at local midnight (UTC of course) this would result that in Europe there will be sub-band switching over a 4 hours period (from UA at the east to G/CT at the west), a period that both windows might be filled with "locals".
Maybe it is better that all Europeans switch at the same moment (the same for North-America, and SE-Asia) ?

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 09:38 11/12/2009, you wrote:
Dear LF,
 
the passage should have said:
 
Taking into account the path of mutual darkness, this would mean that all stations should transmit in the UPPER band during their evenings until local midnight, and then QSY to the lower band for the rest of the night.
 
Sorry for the confusion.
 
73, Markus

From: Markus Vester
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 12:14 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes

Dear LF group,
 
recently we find the "transatlantic waterhole" around 137.777 kHz quite busy. Several Europeans have started beaconing within this segment. And there has been some fast (QRSS3 or 10) activity, with wide traces covering up possible transatlantic DX signalling frequencies.
 
During the last years, we have attempted to split the frequency bands for both directions of transatlantic work. Traditional segments were around 137.777 kHz west-to-east (for Americans transmitting towards Eu), and around 136.320 kHz east-west (for Eu to stateside). Slow modes (QRSS or DFCW, 60 second and longer) were used almost exclusively there, and several stations were able to successfully cross the pond in either direction.
 
The situation has become a little more intricate as more stations from other parts of the world (eg. Asia, China, Japan) are joining the game with sensitive receivers and good signals. But I still think it would be helpful to separate RX and TX bands within each area as much as possible.
 
My suggestion would be to stick with the east-west versus west-east allocation of the two slots. Taking into account the path of mutual darkness, this would mean that all stations should transmit in the lower band during their evenings until local midnight, and then QSY to the lower band for the rest of the night. Receiver settings would of course be vice versa.
 
I'm aware that this scheme cannot be perfect and universal. It won't cover North-South hauls, and would not protect signals during early or late openings. But it's simple enough, and I believe it would still be very useful. Please don't get me wrong - I do not want to discourage anyone from putting out a signal, and certainly reject the notion of anything reminiscent of a "band police". I just think a little coordination may help all of us to be successful on this challenging and fascinating band.
 
Let me have your thoughts...
 
73 de Markus, DF6NM
 
http://freenet-homepage.de/df6nm/Grabber.htm
 
 
--=====================_10766237==.ALT-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md02.mx.aol.com (rly-md02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.140]) by air-md03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD033-8ee4b1d26d9304; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:01:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD026-8ee4b1d26d9304; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:01:31 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHfzr-00026X-Lr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:59:35 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHfzr-00026O-4C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:59:35 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f215.google.com ([209.85.220.215]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHfzo-0008Ic-Si for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:59:35 +0000 Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so4442611fxm.29 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 07:59:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=9D5tdpcmb4GJtUfzgHtoewO3yCtT+N6v5/lGeiBUg+0=; b=BRHKyXx9iE3e7VeAe3xKGUTF58msPPisOU7CGYFoFlzuTBIKKXTIGv1onUU5mOtAvE GF+vg2xT6yznpQpDp8HcpIJ3rRvOLdOpOjXwfRWS0qzBizG9Uup8ybbTSzsNBjZNRcVP G+oxIfiNXbGfTBxwktwbClCzYQisQFJeiGAys= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=eR1KJnZb0uVmZBxP6QQZWV0TTkMTEG3T8KvQsLM2wOR1p9h3eNkPCI0p6icWhHdf7A 5Rxmv4JW4AiLxSKOXdz206Aj5g9n4ukDI7rMCgZrWlkg0THW6tikVvfEklQLpXG/cgKX Y9WMHbekWzuPLbIHwSP+QQ4fJdX8ADzmIUu2Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.168.163 with SMTP id k35mr706006hbe.71.1260201567171; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 07:59:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1523739247@web.de> References: <1523739247@web.de> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:59:27 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Correct test time Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m213.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Clear enough..... 2009/12/09 2300z through to 2009/12/10 0100z . Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police 2009/12/7 Horst St=F6cker : > As I wrote before: The flyer says from 9.12. 23 UTC to 10.12. 1 UTC. > Horst > >> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: "Chris" >> Gesendet: 07.12.09 14:28:16 >> An: "RSGB LF Group" >> Betreff: LF: Correct test time > > Hi All, >> Re: Test DDH47 147.3 QRSS3. >> This has now got VERY confusing. Is the transmission one hour UTC >> either side of midnight 9th into 10th, or one hour UTC either side of >> midnight 10th into 11th December? >> Incidentally, my first message along these lines got a failure notice, >> it said "This message scored 4.5 spam points - rejected". No comment >> necessary! >> >> Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent. > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! > http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de06.mx.aol.com (rly-de06.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.142]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE024-4e54b1fc7593ac; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:51:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE068-4e54b1fc7593ac; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:50:51 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIOm7-0002fw-9b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:48:23 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIOm5-0002fn-9v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:48:21 +0000 Received: from web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.123]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIOm3-0000iw-SA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:48:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 26186 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Dec 2009 15:48:14 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1260373694; bh=jy+xantdPGljtan9dm7s4yDHucFfOFhwVt65TBSfR4I=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Z3p3nUoqbw81XYVZGGrnltLWCU5t+MaftvSji87QyRGhqcywwTkcRyIWytS/oAlcRtqUOovgB/gHi9eHgJ4iDcLiy2i2mKcalONTriIrMq/BeLjO/yGNyBkgAQ4pw6msOln61l52TmoabegZeznQGv+Lwk6+GwfwEYk8O0O010M= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=es8ja4qeumJ6eZs8RH5+Kov6tVYhkNFjy5QA99iG5YAe2fPaqX74hUczB7PhyHo6e7cEBSTjkk62xzOUKSlnlowt+KxdotPb0jEUAML7ihv8tOw8Fafk2V9YVDswNJf55HA6f2aFGQg71rnmoUGdYltyrnRhQ+5l57M8AX6xnRs=; Message-ID: <293720.25943.qm@web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: R5nLXA4VM1lHtpIHNfXTrlDMMZuaoT67LHwmqClgBYKTcl8OtQYRQUQakLG_i8.ihzjDEZguPjggUDTHtgIfXi7_i5TcHG8xwNzgd8LP2y2WhkoFZ42eb8Ko9ZflTiM7IYIzZut1EXyqpTx0PGaL8VU9msUD_Zwos1u4pEPpQh3xbVptEhiQeLlWOCoZGi7XUXcQcd7V014FcvHWqSJgLaUjH3RLzbruB_ZUcXWQ03OgSNXq.nGFN8fAl7WJqbFrvOPFjqewHsuv8f.IorPR Received: from [86.152.84.183] by web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 07:48:13 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:48:13 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: TX-2200A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-938138173-1260373693=:25943" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d257.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-938138173-1260373693=:25943 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes Warren =A0 With your trusty soldering iron you could build a cw only 100w o/p tx=A0xt= al or vfo controlled for about a tenner! And that leaves you =A3680=A0 (or= 1122 of your American dollas) for xmas. =A0 Or if you really wanted a synth theres a kit for about $50 us. =A0 PSU extra......... good luck 73 petefmt =A0 --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Warren Ziegler wrote: From: Warren Ziegler Subject: LF: TX-2200A To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 15:30 Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver muting. Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf 73 Warren K2ORS =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XGJ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XSH/23 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XEB/2 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XGR/1 =20 --0-938138173-1260373693=:25943 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes Warren
 
With your trusty soldering iron you could build a cw only 100w o/p tx=  xtal or vfo controlled for about a tenner! And that leaves you =A368= 0  (or 1122 of your American dollas) for xmas.
 
Or if you really wanted a synth theres a kit for about $50 us.
 
PSU extra......... good luck 73 petefmt
 


--- On Wed, 9/12/09, Warren Ziegler <wd2xgj@gmail.co= m> wrote:

From: Warren Ziegler <wd2xgj@gmail.com><= BR>Subject: LF: TX-2200A
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Wedn= esday, 9 December, 2009, 15:30

Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton= - the TX-2200A 100
Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlle= d with receiver
muting.
Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at= 690 GBP!

http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf



73 Warren K2ORS<= BR>                WD2XGJ
 = ;               WD2XSH/23
  &nb= sp;             WE2XEB/2
    &n= bsp;           WE2XGR/1


=20 --0-938138173-1260373693=:25943-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md03.mx.aol.com (rly-md03.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.141]) by air-md10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD104-8f14b33479e15c; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 05:51:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD031-8f14b33479e15c; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 05:51:12 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNlGz-0007xg-81 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:50:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNlGy-0007xX-SZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:50:24 +0000 Received: from psmtp09.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.23]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNlGv-0002tv-Uu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:50:24 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp09.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KV5001BDKRPLO@psmtp09.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:50:14 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:49:53 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <4C88B57B7396460391EA789B5C0CEAAC@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: XGJ 24-12.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_p0nhBLdQZFrE0WYb77ka6w)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --Boundary_(ID_p0nhBLdQZFrE0WYb77ka6w) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_IaeQtOltQd/c62WgulPn8A)" --Boundary_(ID_IaeQtOltQd/c62WgulPn8A) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Warren,LF Nice capture XGJ Henny cpm best 73 Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: XGJ 24-12.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. --Boundary_(ID_IaeQtOltQd/c62WgulPn8A) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Hi Warren,LF
Nice capture XGJ
Henny cpm
best 73
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
XGJ 24-12.jpg

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MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.72,0.74 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: JUMA 136Kc Xmitter Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01CA78F5.C5325050" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01CA78F5.C5325050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Much cheaper JUMA 136kc TX as Tx-2200A http://www.nikkemedia.fi/juma/ I built this tx already - it works fine, but dont have antenna so far= ... 73 Uwe, dk1kq ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01CA78F5.C5325050 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Much cheaper JUMA 136kc TX as Tx-2200A
 
 
 
I built this tx already - it works fine, but dont= have antenna=20 so far ...
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0015_01CA78F5.C5325050-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc10.mx.aol.com (rly-mc10.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.94]) by air-mc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC082-d9b4b14dce7300; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:08:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC103-d9b4b14dce7300; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:07:52 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFOgh-0001BX-Om for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:06:23 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFOgh-0001BO-6S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:06:23 +0000 Received: from psmtp12.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.24]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFOge-0000Fl-S8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:06:23 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp12.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KTY003VLUMBRB@psmtp12.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:06:12 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:06:10 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <90CE1502BB594DAC84BB6FE4B64477D6@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: XKO 01-12.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_pbC0aPaN7Dl04y7alN/+Ww)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --Boundary_(ID_pbC0aPaN7Dl04y7alN/+Ww) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_FZVls54DETR10uNGnugqUA)" --Boundary_(ID_FZVls54DETR10uNGnugqUA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello Dex,LF Capture XKO, Henny pa3cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: XKO 01-12.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. --Boundary_(ID_FZVls54DETR10uNGnugqUA) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Hello Dex,LF
Capture XKO,
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(v4.0.7) Professional Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1792040875.20091215220545@dx.ru> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: LF: A9 on 136 and 500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF/MF enthusiasts! Info from "The Weekly DX" Vol 9 Number 49 Dec 14, 2009 A9 - BAHRAIN On December 10th Bahrain's Telecommunications Regulatory Authority (TRA) announced a new National Frequency Plan (NFP) on their web-site (www.tra.o= rg.bh). A9 Amateur Radio operators can now operate on 50.0 - 50.5 MHz on a "primar= y and exclusive" basis and from 50.05 - 52 MHz on a secondary basis. They also= received additional frequencies on "136 KHz, 1.8 MHz, 7 MHz, 430 MHz and higher ban= ds" reports EI3IO. Amateur Radio operators from Bahrain can not operate on the= se newly allocated frequencies until their licenses are amended. The TRA is also lo= oking for comments on the 69.95 to 70.5 MHz band as well as 500 KHz and 5 MHz. www.dailydx.com 73! Ed RU6LA 136.73.ru From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf08.mx.aol.com (rly-mf08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.178]) by air-mf02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF021-9754b31da7419e; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 03:53:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF083-9754b31da7419e; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 03:53:10 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNMx1-00032g-Hx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 08:52:11 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNMx1-00032X-3O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 08:52:11 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNMwz-0000wo-7E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 08:52:11 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C54FE4C818A for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:52:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB574C80C6 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:52:03 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B31DA34.1050805@online.fr> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:52:04 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <035375487725449FBCB051DF5928E886@ns94d01ae4d850> In-Reply-To: <035375487725449FBCB051DF5928E886@ns94d01ae4d850> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: LF T/A [137kHz] XGJ last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Warren , Please , what time brought your beacon into service ? It seems to me that it was not visible at the beginning ! With the renewal of activity of the sun , it should be noted that propagation LF is much less good ? 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.145]) by air-di08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI081-eb664b37515b119; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 07:21:47 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AFC10380000A7; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 07:21:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOs7D-0002IN-LT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:20:55 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOs7D-0002IE-6D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:20:55 +0000 Received: from n18.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.145]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOs7C-0006Sj-Pw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:20:55 +0000 Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n18.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2009 12:20:47 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.71] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2009 12:20:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp423.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2009 12:20:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 537817.90474.bm@omp423.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 87656 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2009 12:20:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=dZ1pxZuMXCV5SdEbp9geEfM32uMf+HO5jbNGFWKih5jDGn2hr76uVSFbJmY3/lJQkxiMAgV1PuUBR2mlRDOsmHQXGjGbkTDrGFwkZ873WeUtNeejHOAA2Xd0OJi+qclRfBkbjf+IiTRZyhzBFN4fbNez8SQEJ6UOvANBWLacBjU= ; Received: from host81-135-89-156.range81-135.btcentralplus.com (ken.h.wright@81.135.89.156 with login) by smtp135.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2009 04:20:47 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9Y6mUHuswBAgnrOsukIiNdFDf95uy_Dz34nY1hlg2liKgYD952sjbg-- X-YMail-OSG: em69aZ0VM1mabUgKHheyDA71ZHAXlOZ.pnSoUcxM_3A65cKKs29dS9EXPqmjY5gWM75CLA6NdejwasbWxd.VpAU9c5TrR_NMOpy_PZjO5TO_.jfdriwaMlVL_Zi5bN8km1xzgIaZsOYklRx2LlioVew7QLUMdR1elgNl.MCez8ng9YCAm_s_MJMocJHcy9Z29PuNEtVe7XvztbZTnCZHmHW.SVf21WIVc9Vs_XxC6AbZbVrO7ImP5Ax_6VLRieNihuDHccK6jMlnraozERuMCQmnPiFHbnis1hKmPPbJ1DJpYUdml8TsLvefPCZ5_vdNkycEJmYr9QEAY2rsBkUhYowNGkpGX7KoBoeSTexZ3Desjmi2N6MTFsOZTwcY457EgnQ23nv_JR_OyDqIFeqEOPJVxEylVrn_QqsgVlz9ToRvZLQo7hrG0A0bYPyT2AWERSA2pcAjUfI- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "Ken" To: References: <58773.51665.qm@web86507.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:20:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40914b37515a24da X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Alan. A very interesting paper of yours, is it likely that there will be the= same=20 interaction between a T antenna and the PA0RDT Mini Whip? 73. Ken M0KHW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "ALAN MELIA" To: Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 11:51 AM Subject: Re: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Hi Stefan I hope it does not give you indigestion :-)) Good luck with it.....all LF sites are different so in general require= =20 different detailed solutions. It seemed generally to be sufficient to= =20 de-tune the unused antenna to reduce the interaction to low levels. Best Wishes for Dx in the New Year Alan G3NYK --- On Sun, 27/12/09, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer wrote: > From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer > Subject: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sunday, 27 December, 2009, 10:55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > Alan, tnx, i have > printed your article and will read it now at breakfast > ;-) > > > > Perhaps > I will come back > with some questions=E2=80=A6 J > > > > 73, > Stefan/DK7FC > > -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche > Nachricht----- > > Von: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von ALAN > MELIA > > Gesendet: > Sonntag, 27. Dezember > 2009 01:32 > > An: > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Betreff: Re: > LF: Influence of a TX > antenna to a small rx antenna > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephan yes the aerialls will > be very close > compared with the wavelength so they will interact > particularly is tuned. We > did some measurements ar Finbar's location several > years ago > > http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/aecouple.htm > > > > The interaction was measured on an antenna RF > bridge, and demonstrates > the coupling between two wires. > > > > Best Wishes > > Alan G3NYK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (rly-dg11.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.95]) by air-dg04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG042-6044b258087379; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:02:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG115-6044b258087379; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:02:17 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJyMY-00038b-4O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:00:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJyMX-00038S-PC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:00:29 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJyNC-0007gP-AL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:01:11 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 827652AC45C for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:01:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps04.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.133] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.58V) with ESMTP id XID827NLNaBL7628X01; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:01:11 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.133 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps04.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID827NLNaBL7628X01 Received: from [192.168.1.4] [151.47.223.119] by cmsapps04.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 368NLNaBi9472M40; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:01:08 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.223.119 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.4] Message-ID: <4B258042.8010305@usa.net> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 01:01:06 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <47E8873B5C254CA9A406AA345E229ED6@Black> In-Reply-To: <47E8873B5C254CA9A406AA345E229ED6@Black> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID368NLNaBJ9472X40 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR 2.0 samplerate Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Markus Vester wrote: > Dear LF, > > I have recently installed WSPR 2.0 on one older XP machine and found > that decodes were erratic, and the frequency readout was about 10 Hz > high. The reason seems to be that the input samplerate is about 0.6 % > low. The output samplerate is however correct. > > The strange thing is that this samplerate error was not present with the > former version 1.12. I now have the two versions running simultaneously > side by side, on the same machine with the same soundcard. WSPR 1.12 is > producing perfect decodes on the correct frequency, whereas 2.0 > reproducibly shows the described effects. It looks like the new version > somehow accesses the soundcard differently. > > Has anybody else experienced this? Out of my fuzzy memory, I seem to recall that Joe changed the sampling frequency of WSPR to 48 kHz (don't know what it was before), I think to better interface with VAC. But don't take my words for granted... it is just a dim flash in my memory... If this is indeed the case, then your sound card has a sampling frequency error when set to 48 kHz, error which wasn't present at the former rate. But better to ask Joe... 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db07.mx.aol.com (rly-db07.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.82]) by air-db09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB091-ad44b198473db; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:52:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB072-ad44b198473db; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:51:48 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGg32-0002io-CW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:50:44 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGg31-0002if-K8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:50:43 +0000 Received: from mailout05.t-online.de ([194.25.134.82]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGg2y-0000nk-Re for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:50:43 +0000 Received: from fwd11.aul.t-online.de by mailout05.t-online.de with smtp id 1NGg2w-00052A-00; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:50:38 +0100 Received: from e7010 (rPOvVZZYYh96GlsQjTMgmKkNw1x21-3E9JOdBZP5Zd3hWzgzxBWdYS-yhzcFZX0w18@[84.147.254.117]) by fwd11.aul.t-online.de with smtp id 1NGg2t-0GwyvI0; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:50:35 +0100 Message-ID: <006a01ca752b$cebd81d0$6402a8c0@e7010> From: "Walter und Marianne Staubach" To: References: <001e01ca74ec$b9770790$6402a8c0@e7010> <4B193C13.7060400@usa.net> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:50:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-ID: rPOvVZZYYh96GlsQjTMgmKkNw1x21-3E9JOdBZP5Zd3hWzgzxBWdYS-yhzcFZX0w18 X-TOI-MSGID: 915d5a3b-73b5-4724-a17b-2b5f16bd308c X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,EXTRA_MPART_TYPE=0.815,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=0.64,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Activity on 500 kHz Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0066_01CA7534.304AFB50"; type="multipart/alternative" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01CA7534.304AFB50 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0067_01CA7534.304AFB50" ------=_NextPart_001_0067_01CA7534.304AFB50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mni tnx, dr Alberto, fer reports hr on the reflektor and in the databa= se. I`m just trying to retune to 505.090. =20 73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alberto di Bene=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 5:42 PM Subject: LF: Activity on 500 kHz Some activity recorded on the 500 kHz band this afternoon. DI2AG : DI2AM in QRSS3 OK0EMW in QRSS3 at 505091 Hz (abt) in JN88ks (some QSB...) 73 Alberto I2PHD ------=_NextPart_001_0067_01CA7534.304AFB50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mni tnx, dr Alberto,= fer reports hr=20 on the reflektor and in the database. I`m just trying to retune t= o 505.090.=20
73   = =20 Walter   DI2AG / DJ2LF
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Alberto di= Bene=20
Sent: Friday, December 04, 20= 09 5:42=20 PM
Subject: LF: Activity on 500= kHz

Some activity recorded on the 500 kHz band this=20 afternoon.

DI2AG :

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DI2AM=20 in QRSS3

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OK0EMW in=20 QRSS3   at 505091 Hz (abt) in JN88ks
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(some=20 QSB...)

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73  Alberto =20 I2PHD


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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Gus, I hope to repair the K9AY today or until tomorrow. As you may have noticed,my email program and me had also slight difficulties tonight. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Gus To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 2:37 AM Subject: LF: Re: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz Hi Clemens, thanks for your info and print my WSPR formerly of 137 kHz. Not bad considering the low power used! Luke just wants attention :-) I have now closed the transmitter for the night. Best 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ----- Original Message ----- From: Clemens Paul To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 2:17 AM Subject: LF: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz Hi GUs, see below: 2118 8 0.4 136.151499 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2138 9 0.6 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2144 8 0.7 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2218 7 0.6 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2222 8 0.7 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2226 9 0.8 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 As my internert connection has been broken during the last hours no data upload has taken place. Probably a few loggings are missing because I had to use my dipole for receiving whis is periodically disturbed when our heater is is on. My K9AY has been turned down this late afternoon by our three months old labrador 'Luke'. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Gus To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:55 PM Subject: LF: WSPR on 137 kHz Hello LF-group, this evening i will transmit, WSPR on 137.650 kHz 136.150 kHz dial. Power abt 50 mW ERP. Transmitter start at 16:00 GMT All reports are welcome. You can also log on, www.sm6bhz.com 73 de Gus SM6BHZ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.709 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.93/2544 - Ausgabedatum: 12/04/09 08:32:00 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. 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Hi Gus,
 
I hope to repair the K9AY today or un= til=20 tomorrow.
As you may have noticed,my email prog= ram and=20 me
had also slight difficulties tonight.= =20 :-)
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gus=
Sent: Saturday, December 05,= 2009 2:37=20 AM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: WSPR on= 137=20 kHz

Hi=20 Clemens,

thanks=20 for your info and print my WSPR formerly of 137 kHz.
Not bad=20 considering the low power used!
Luke just wants attention=20 :-)
I have now=20 closed the transmitter for the night.

Best 73 de Gus SM6BHZ
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Clemens Pau= l
Sent: Saturday, December 05= , 2009 2:17=20 AM
Subject: LF: Re: WSPR on 13= 7 kHz

Hi GUs,
 
see below:
 
2118   8  0.4 136.= 151499  0=20 SM6BHZ JO57 17
2138   9  0.6 136.151500  0= SM6BHZ=20 JO57 17
2144   8  0.7 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ= JO57=20 17
2218   7  0.6 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ JO57= =20 17
2222   8  0.7 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ JO57= =20 17
2226   9  0.8 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ JO57= =20 17
 
As my internert connection has be= en=20 broken during the last hours no data upload
has taken place.
Probably a few loggings are missi= ng because=20 I had to use my dipole for
receiving whis is periodically=20 disturbed when our heater is is on.
My K9AY has been turned down this= late=20 afternoon by our three months old
labrador 'Luke'.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
 
 
 
 
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gus
Sent: Friday, December 04= , 2009 4:55=20 PM
Subject: LF: WSPR on 137= kHz

Hello LF-group,
this=20 evening i will transmit, WSPR on 137.650 kHz 136.150 kHz dial.= =20 Power abt 50 mW=20 ERP.
Transmitter start at 16:00=20 GMT
Al= l reports are=20 welcome.
You can also log on,=20
 
= 73 de Gus=20 SM6BHZ


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------=_NextPart_000_003B_01CA7583.A0406220-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (rly-dg10.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.94]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG063-5f94b25409b32d; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:29:44 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG104-5f94b25409b32d; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:29:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJu6l-0007vC-LK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:27:55 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJu6l-0007v3-9b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:27:55 +0000 Received: from mx33.mail.ru ([94.100.176.47]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJu7Q-0004tt-AZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:28:38 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=24522 helo=EFREMOV) by mx33.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NJu7K-000Hyt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:28:30 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <00dc01ca7c2a$6c6e5080$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: References: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> <241919.87622.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9afca2640912130305r3acb5e5fs991caaa1115d2255@mail.gmail.com> <6E7638745A1B43168C402CDBB010C2A7@AGB> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:28:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: "Y" beacon on 137.777 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Marco, This is RA3YO 73 Andrey > Please, who is sending "Y" on 137.7778 DFCW? Well visible on DF6NM grabbler. > > 73 - Marco IK1ODO > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.224]) by air-da04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA043-863c4b3cb4e51cd; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 09:27:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8C09B38000143; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 09:27:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQLyx-0004Gy-ET for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:26:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQLyx-0004Gp-0B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:26:31 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQLyu-0007Ae-5k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:26:30 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so8176334pwj.4 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 06:26:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=LLWxRtPPqZhRreo4Tc477uldH0pRrsGhRcJTLtyvSyE=; b=aoQPCjz5vdpJQawWO8uChOMCiWTgX03V3kPUOuDL0+Omfu+afk4DHnhvpLjxriXdmo Hqpx0TvjCvR57bOppNkhCo8KgO6imM9V7FY7l7r0IPGkARz31Sn37oVlvD4DmAwLCDaR gpjHqE6pF87IbjLIukC1ZBrtQtSuQqKPIX9Dc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=enmDC9BY95FNquOA/QVh5aQlt7gLRsoWgNpvNMTIMVIuOddCr0tQXqqkAPZwpvIc6n Cpj5AEdP2MIydpvizEFh9T2ynE9j0w3Hv0IH12ZrjRCFyJKsHDIoHZdXLqBzjYLneii1 5bkdCkEnFjgk5OjFgxjjYhHVX4mrADlm8SeEc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.187.13 with SMTP id o13mr1325789rvp.28.1262269579785; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 06:26:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20091231142137.ileq10eosgk0g4c4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> References: <1f0624b90912310349r8408cbaof4bb6e0e17d6fb9a@mail.gmail.com> <20091231142137.ileq10eosgk0g4c4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:26:19 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 967938cf172e06f5 Message-ID: <1f0624b90912310626t3c78a6bds8653c5acdea6378f@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Grabber. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1ac54e9f615047c070924 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60e04b3cb4e40337 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1ac54e9f615047c070924 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Rik, Thanks for your suggestion. I am not familiar with Corel Photo paint & it does need to be automatic as I can't spend time editing each upload ie. two at 10 minutes & 1 at 1 hr. I am trying reducing the JPG at capture time by lowering the JPEG quality percentage on SpecLab. I have taken care of the G4JNT beacon upload by using *.png & the file is only a few kb's rather than 10's of kb's using *.bmp & uploading at 1 hr intervals instead of 15 minutes. 73 Gary - G4WGT. 2009/12/31 Rik Strobbe > Gary, > > maybe more compression in the jpeg. > Using Corel Photo Paint I could reduce the file size to 50% with little > visual impact. > > 73, Rik ON7YD > > Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > > Hi All, >> >> Sorry to have to announce that my grabber is inoperative at the moment. >> >> It seems that I have regularly exceeded the daily quota set by the >> ISP/web site provider. I have been transparently placed in "restricted >> service" which is only allowing about 5 uploads/downloads each day. I >> expect that it will take some time for my average to come down sufficient >> to allow my regular uploads again. >> >> Also I will have to make the upload file sizes smaller & less regular so >> as to keep within this upload limit. >> >> I will post a notice here when all is running normally again. >> >> 73 es HNY >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> >> >> > > > --000e0cd1ac54e9f615047c070924 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rik,

Thanks for your suggestion. I am not familiar with= Corel Photo paint & it does need to be automatic as I can't spend= time editing each upload ie. two at 10 minutes & 1 at 1 hr. I am tryi= ng reducing the JPG at capture time by lowering the JPEG quality percentag= e on SpecLab. I have taken care of the G4JNT beacon upload by using *.png= & the file is only a few kb's rather than 10's of kb's us= ing *.bmp & uploading at 1 hr intervals instead of 15 minutes.

73

Gary - G4WGT.

2009/12/31 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be&g= t;
Gary,

maybe more compression in the jpeg.
Using Corel Photo Paint I could reduce the file size to 50% with little vi= sual impact.

73, Rik =A0ON7YD

Quoting Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>:

Hi All,

Sorry to have to announce that my grabber is inoperative at the moment.
It seems that I have regularly exceeded the daily quota set by the =A0ISP/= web site provider. I have been transparently placed in =A0"restricted= service" which is only allowing about 5 =A0uploads/downloads each da= y. I expect that it will take some time for =A0my average to come down suf= ficient to allow my regular uploads again.

Also I will have to make the upload file sizes smaller & less =A0regul= ar so as to keep within this upload limit.

I will post a notice here when all is running normally again.

73 es HNY

Gary - G4WGT.







--000e0cd1ac54e9f615047c070924-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb04.mx.aol.com (rly-mb04.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.162]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB071-d044b250dbff4; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:52:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB048-d044b250dbff4; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:52:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJqiz-0004cg-Fw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:51:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJqiz-0004cX-3d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:51:09 +0000 Received: from mail-ew0-f223.google.com ([209.85.219.223]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJqjS-0004Ym-7f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:51:40 +0000 Received: by ewy23 with SMTP id 23so963576ewy.4 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 07:51:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=zKPQdhyA1qEGb7wTz7okEz8MwHgqmMDmegFWuiy1/M0=; b=B975L9hevQjy/7LVwtBCd1tLK0V/F3X/X5b3CRsv7qfI7Clgcj3DOwmJS0bfcPWlKm kkJS+EZZLJJvRxKfyrEoJA0Rdw2ix20FfqUWjSgbKZLN+3hkVZP7lh/tooB5gqjFP+/h /oYtiO2CB65yIBT2oQJ4GIdLIHUoDMKuM9lUk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Gy4ooLvmKMh/AvjiGGwsBZy7o4lEnc06WVsCxV++TuSMEietjOOAAjXMzSJ8ubChUV WDzDbuArz8tbu5pHUoofyKYIelxWQWzUAX3zcRf4Iu6pQEVTvUayK7ptEeewA0ZzBo6W bd+ZsuoVdCvl5XFSCkZIQYj2xPPUwzBPrMQIs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.109.201 with SMTP id k9mr2205830ebp.87.1260719496769; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 07:51:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> <241919.87622.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9afca2640912130305r3acb5e5fs991caaa1115d2255@mail.gmail.com> <6E7638745A1B43168C402CDBB010C2A7@AGB> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:51:36 +0100 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anton_B=E4rtschi?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: IK1HSS WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0ce0d848c44915047a9e21c4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d266.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0ce0d848c44915047a9e21c4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I see you dear Marco but I've no WSPR on my Computer. 73 de Toni BTW DCF39 down? 2009/12/13 Marco IK1ODO > IK1HSS is active in WSPR on 137.740 (signal frequency, carrier is at > 136.420). > ERP power is 50 mW from JN35TB. > > Reports are appreciated to ik1hss@arrl.net ! > > 73 - Marco IK1ODO > > > --000e0ce0d848c44915047a9e21c4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I see you dear Marco
but I've no WSPR on my Computer.
73 de Toni=
BTW DCF39 down?

2009/12/13 Marco IK1= ODO <ik1odo@spi= n-it.com>
IK1HSS is activ= e in WSPR on 137.740 (signal frequency, carrier is at 136.420).
ERP power is 50 mW from JN35TB.

Reports are appreciated to ik1hss@arrl.net !

73 - Marco IK1ODO



--000e0ce0d848c44915047a9e21c4-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD051-91a4b22ee4e357; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:14:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD082-91a4b22ee4e357; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:13:52 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJGXc-0004Hk-Db for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:13:00 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJGXb-0004Hb-9a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:12:59 +0000 Received: from mx01.infotech.at ([213.174.240.1]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJGXY-0004RW-85 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:12:59 +0000 Received: from [213.174.255.45] by mx01.infotech.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJGXW-00074G-Qs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 02:12:55 +0100 Message-ID: <4B22EDFF.7030307@inext.at> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 02:12:32 +0100 From: Oberreiter Oswald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001901ca7ab9$f82c4630$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <4B22D7EF.7070908@inext.at> <004101ca7abe$5cd861a0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> In-Reply-To: <004101ca7abe$5cd861a0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: ID of station on 137775.25? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030707040007080209090200" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_COMMENT_8BITS, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_BALANCE_BODY,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------030707040007080209090200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hallo jay! thanks again ,fore me its also a new country . on this side is my tx : http://members.shaw.ca/ve7sl/2200mtx.html very simpl only another mosfet IRFP 260NPBF you can run 30v and 10 amp aprox on qrss70 i do here . driver vfo is old ic706 with open tx running 3 w on 2200 /16 =137.5.khz so its very easy to run qrss60 . pwr from the antenna i think aprox 1w erp. so the antenna is also very simpl marconi inv L on the end 17 meters high with 7 ,10 m long wires down from the top. like a invertet umbrellor. and a lot of radials . it is a good day fore dx andrey sow some parts of my signal in china ! two new countrys fore me its a very good day it seems fore me a realy marconiday ! so now i transmiting after 0000Z on the eu tx window . thanks again fore receiving my transmission 73 es 55 dx oe5odl jn68rd ossi ps. send qsl dir. jrusgrove@comcast.net schrieb: > Ossi > > Austria is a new country in my 137 kHz reception logbook! Curious > about the details of your transmitting station - transmitter power, > antenna, etc. > > Thank you for the 137 kHz transmissions. > > Jay > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Oberreiter Oswald > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2009 6:38 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: ID of station on 137775.25? > > hallo jay thanks fere report was transmiting only my nr 5 5 5 5 5 ... > 73 oe5odl ossi > > jrusgrove@comcast.net schrieb: >> Very strong copy of '5' earlier. Curious who this might be. >> >> Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> --------------030707040007080209090200 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------070602090205060208060002" --------------070602090205060208060002 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  hallo jay!
thanks again ,fore me its also a new country .
on this side is my tx : http://members.shaw.ca/ve7sl/2200mtx.html         
 very simpl  only another  mosfet IRFP 260NPBF
you can run 30v and 10 amp aprox on qrss70  i do here .
driver vfo is old   ic706  with open tx running 3 w on 2200 /16 =137.5.khz
so its very easy to run qrss60 .
pwr from the antenna i think aprox 1w erp.
so the antenna is also very simpl marconi inv L on the end 17 meters high with 7 ,10 m long wires down from the top.
like a invertet umbrellor.
and a lot of radials .
it is a good day fore dx  andrey sow some parts of my signal in china !
two  new countrys fore me its a  very good day it seems fore me a realy  marconiday !
so now i transmiting after 0000Z  on the eu tx window .
thanks again fore receiving my transmission 73 es 55 dx
oe5odl  jn68rd ossi


ps. send qsl dir.





jrusgrove@comcast.net schrieb:
Ossi
 
Austria is a new country in my 137 kHz reception logbook! Curious about the details of your transmitting station - transmitter power, antenna, etc.
 
Thank you for the 137 kHz transmissions.
 
Jay
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: LF: ID of station on 137775.25?

hallo jay thanks fere report  was transmiting only my nr 5 5 5 5 5 ...
73 oe5odl ossi

jrusgrove@comcast.net schrieb:
Very strong copy of '5' earlier. Curious who this might be.

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2


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12:29:56 +0100 From: "Johan H. Bodin" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: LF: [Fwd: Extra transmission with SAQ Dec 10 2009] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060805030207030305040502" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------060805030207030305040502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable -------- Ursprungligt meddelande -------- =C4mne: Extra transmission with SAQ Dec 10 2009 Datum: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 10:07:58 +0100 Fr=E5n: Lars Kalland Till: AA/Lars K=E5lland =20 * * * * =20 _*EXTRA*_ _* GRIMETON RADIO/SAQ TRANSMISSION*_ =20 =20 There will be a transmission with the Alexanderson alternator on 17,2 kHz on December 10 2009 at 08:00 UTC and will be repeated at 16:00 UTC the same day. =20 The reason for the extra transmission is a centenary commemoration of the Nobel Prize given to Guglielmo Marconi and Karl Ferdinand Brown. =20 We do not require any QSL-reports this time and will not verify. =20 Regards. =20 =20 SM6NM/Lars =20 =20 =20 P.S.We still intend to continue with our annual transmissions on Christmas Eve (morning), Dec 24, at 08:00 UTC with tuning up from 07:30 UTC. 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-------- Ursprungligt meddelande --------
=C4mne: Extra transmission with SAQ Dec 10 2009
Datum: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 10:07:58 +0100
Fr=E5n: Lars Kalland <lars.kalland@telia.com>
Till: AA/Lars K=E5lland <sm6nm@telia.com>


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EXTRA

= =A0GRIMETON RADIO/SAQ TRANSMISSION

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There will be a transmission with the Alexander= son alternator on 17,2 kHz on December 10 2009 at 08:00 UTC= and will be repeated at 16:00 UTC the same day.

=A0

The reason for the extra transmission is a cent= enary commemoration of the Nobel Prize given to Guglielmo Marconi and Karl Ferdinand Brown.

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We do not require any QSL-reports this time and= will not verify.

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Regards.

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SM6NM/Lars

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P.S.We still intend to continue with our annual transmissions on Christmas Eve (morning), Dec 24, at 08:00= UTC with= tuning up from 07:30 UTC. D.S.

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--------------060805030207030305040502-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (rly-mg01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.107]) by air-mg03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG031-9f44b20898a5f; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:39:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG016-9f44b20898a5f; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:39:24 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIbjN-0008Fu-Ps for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:38:25 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIbjN-0008Fl-4P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:38:25 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s31.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.42]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIbjJ-0005wL-R8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:38:25 +0000 Received: from BLU146-W29 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s31.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 9 Dec 2009 21:38:16 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [60.24.183.8] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 20:38:16 -0900 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3CEB236955E14D8BA77BF5D85FAFE210@MaynePC> References: <4B206EEF.8060700@telus.net> <4B207CCB.2060405@telus.net>,<3CEB236955E14D8BA77BF5D85FAFE210@MaynePC> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2009 05:38:16.0256 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8DA6400:01CA795A] X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=0.627,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_0f42b6e6-6408-4fd3-a36d-3affbadceeca_" Subject: RE: LF: Unid signal on ~137778.8Hz X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_0f42b6e6-6408-4fd3-a36d-3affbadceeca_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just looked at DCF39 fron AK and can just make it out at QRSS3 at the mome= nt. Hope these good conditions spread a bit more North=20 =20 Scott Ive put the AK snapper on the 137 watering hole for a while =20 http://kl1x.com/screen.html =20 I like your animation. =20 Laurence =20 =20 > From: VE7SL@shaw.ca > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 21:00:26 -0800 > Subject: Re: LF: Unid signal on ~137778.8Hz >=20 > >it may have been audible a couple of hours before sunset today for the= =20 > >first time! >=20 > Possibly...at 2:30 this afternoon I heard a G3 (not Mal) and an RA4 call= ing=20 > CQ on 160....amazing condx. >=20 >=20 >=20 > WEB - "The VE7SL Radio Notebook": http://members.shaw.ca/ve7sl=20 >=20 >=20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with Messenger straight from your Hotmail inbox. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/hotmail_bl1/hotmail_bl1.aspx?= ocid=3DPID23879::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-ww:WM_IMHM_4:092009=3D --_0f42b6e6-6408-4fd3-a36d-3affbadceeca_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just looked at DCF39 fron AK and can just make it out at QRSS3 at the mome= nt. Hope these good conditions spread a bit more North
 
Scott Ive put the AK snapper on the 137 watering hole for a while
 
http://kl1x.com/screen.html  
I like your animation.
 
Laurence
 

 
> From: VE7SL@shaw.ca
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org
> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 21:00:26 -0800
> Subject: Re: LF= : Unid signal on ~137778.8Hz
>
> >it may have been audible= a couple of hours before sunset today for the
> >first time!>
> Possibly...at 2:30 this afternoon I heard a G3 (not Mal) an= d an RA4 calling
> CQ on 160....amazing condx.
>
> >
> WEB - "The VE7SL Radio Notebook": http://members.shaw.ca/ve= 7sl
>
>

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Check it out =3D --_0f42b6e6-6408-4fd3-a36d-3affbadceeca_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db08.mx.aol.com (rly-db08.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.83]) by air-db06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB064-adc4b25454d345; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:49:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB082-adc4b25454d345; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:49:35 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJuQB-0008Lo-7q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:47:59 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJuQA-0008Lf-Q3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:47:58 +0000 Received: from smtp-out01.alice.it ([85.33.2.12]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJuQq-00053F-Au for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:48:42 +0000 Received: from FBCMMO01.fbc.local ([192.168.68.195]) by smtp-out01.alice.it with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:48:23 +0100 Received: from FBCMCL01B07.fbc.local ([192.168.171.45]) by FBCMMO01.fbc.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:48:23 +0100 Received: from IK1ODO.spin-it.com ([87.24.41.185]) by FBCMCL01B07.fbc.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:48:22 +0100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:48:06 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Marco IK1ODO In-Reply-To: <00dc01ca7c2a$6c6e5080$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> References: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> <241919.87622.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9afca2640912130305r3acb5e5fs991caaa1115d2255@mail.gmail.com> <6E7638745A1B43168C402CDBB010C2A7@AGB> <00dc01ca7c2a$6c6e5080$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2009 19:48:23.0270 (UTC) FILETIME=[3AA45060:01CA7C2D] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: "Y" beacon on 137.777 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 At 20.28 13/12/2009, you wrote: >Hello Marco, >This is RA3YO > >73 Andrey Hello Andrey, thanks for info. And, please, who is sending long groups of 5 lines, 75 second each, on 137.775? 73 - Marco IK1ODO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df08.mx.aol.com (rly-df08.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.21]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF043-56c4b228f5a161; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:28:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF083-56c4b228f5a161; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:28:43 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJADP-0000yZ-I6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:27:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJADP-0000yQ-6U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:27:43 +0000 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJADO-0002XX-LM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:27:43 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqYEAAkeIktOlpWR/2dsb2JhbACOEQbIBoQrBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,383,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="308708106" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.150.149.145]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2009 18:27:21 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01ca7a8f$90cc71b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:27:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: LA3EQ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7A8F.90578FD0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7A8F.90578FD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Still going strong on 502 kcs The grabbers don't seem to see this signal, which has been 559 all day= long with me G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7A8F.90578FD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Still going strong on 502 kcs<= /DIV>
The grabbers don't seem to see this= signal, which=20 has been 559 all day long with me
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7A8F.90578FD0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (rly-dd09.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.156]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD021-b9e4b1cc9f429; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 04:25:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD098-b9e4b1cc9f429; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 04:25:10 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHZpG-0000dB-Cr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:24:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHZpF-0000d2-TU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:24:13 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHZpF-0002zx-72 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:24:13 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nB79OCFC027748 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 10:24:12 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 10:24:12 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 10:24:13 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB57@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <1260128134.2455.23.camel@gerhard-desktop> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Question to Antenna Experts Thread-Index: Acp2rAuoamzvRayKSrSal3Ap/cD0MwAceUdQ From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.609;06.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.7.91531 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: LF: AW: Question to Antenna Experts X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hallo Gerhard, ich nochmal... Wegen der Anpassung auf 30 Ohm: Es gibt mehrere M=F6glichkeiten, ich nenne mal 3: -Eine Anpassung mit einem dicken Ferritkern (z.B. Schaltung als Spartrafo) -Anpassung durch eine Anzapfung an der Ladespule: Wenn die Spule unten an= Erde angeschlossen ist und oben der Draht und die Antenne resonant ist (Z= =3DR), dann findest du bei einer bestimmten Windung einen Punkt, bei dem= U/I 50 Ohm betr=E4gt. Das ermittelt man am besten experimentell. -Du kannst eine zweite Spule mit weniger Windungen bauen und an diese dein= en TX anschlie=DFen. Dann stellst du die Spule in die Ladespule und koppel= st die Leistung induktiv ein. Vorteil: Galvanische Trennung, also keine Ve= rbindung zwischen Sender und LF-Erde. Ich habe schon alle drei Varianten ausprobiert und es funktioniert einwand= frei. Die einfachste M=F6glichkeit ist nat=FCrlich, wenn du einen Kreiswiderstan= d von 50 Ohm hast, den Sender direkt unten an die Spule und die Abschirmun= g des Koaxkabels auf die LF-Erde legen. Dann musst du aber wegen statische= n Aufladungen aufpassen, da die LF-Antenne nicht geerdet ist (kann man mit= einem 10k Widerstand gegen Erde vermeiden)... Gru=DF,=20 Stefan -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von Gerhard Hickl Gesendet: Sonntag, 6. Dezember 2009 20:36 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: Question to Antenna Experts Hello folks! As some of you may have noticed, I became active on LF. My TX makes about 50W at 13,8V and the Antenna is a Marconi with multiple topload wires. Basically it consists of two 12m Fiber poles in a distance of abt. 50m (North to South). After about 20m from the feeding point, a 20m wire is connected in a nearly right angle. The end of this wire is in about 10m height to a tree. From the 2nd pole, a wire of 25m leads back to the roof of the house in an acute angle. End is also abt. 10m above ground. The end of both wires are at least 10m away from the tree and the roof to avoid losses due high voltage. The wire diameter is 3mm in the vertical section (11m) and 0,8mm for the first 20m, where the right angled wire diverges. From there all other wires are 0,6mm. The cable to the shack is RG58 abt. 25m long. The feeding point is behind the house and the loading coil is about 2,2mH made with insulated 3mm copper-wire wound on a plastic flower-pot of abt. 45cm diameter. It is placed on the roof of the a little shed. I use "Mini-VNA" to measure this antenna and I added a picture of todays measurement. As you can see, the SWR is abt. 1,8 at best because Z=3D abt. 30. I built a current transformer to measure the antenna current and calibrated it with the dummy. I have 140V p-p on the 50R and this is should produce a current of 1A. I used a Iron-Powder core, primary one turn, secondary is 14 turns and it shows a voltage of 1V after rectifying. Now, that I have it outside on the feeding point, it shows 2V which would means 2A....Thant seems a little bit high to me. Where does this error come from? I want to optimize the antenna regarding Impedance because it's only abt. 30R instead of 50R. Where should I start? More wires in the ground? Does this reduce Impedance or not? More topload? Thicker wires?=20 You see, a lot of questions from somebody who is new to LF. Thank everybody who will take the time an read this long mail in advance. Best regards es 73 OE3GHB Gerhard From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df05.mx.aol.com (rly-df05.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.18]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF081-54c4b31e036219; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 04:18:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF051-54c4b31e036219; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 04:17:46 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNNKf-0003Cd-Ok for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:16:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNNKf-0003CU-E2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:16:37 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.35]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNNKd-0003zS-MZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:16:37 +0000 Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl (dovemail7.xs4all.nl [194.109.26.9]) by smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBN9GIBr037227 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:16:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Received: from 82.161.81.65 (SquirrelMail authenticated user pa0rdt) by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:16:34 +0100 Message-ID: <85d83b4a35a1a0f396829ec51c08438b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <41AD0F546A9449DBA4357932408AFEF3@lindavideo> References: <678FAD4478574A8682D9BDE7D982EE11@lindavideo> <1f0624b90912220213l299aa2ebvd9a91a3fbd3b0983@mail.gmail.com> <41AD0F546A9449DBA4357932408AFEF3@lindavideo> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:16:34 +0100 From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.18 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: PA0RDT Mini-Whip Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Ken, I don't think that it is neccessary to use protection diodes. Just try it and when it goes wrong it will only cost you a cheap FET. 73, Roelof, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de07.mx.aol.com (rly-de07.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.143]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE071-4eb4b228c55391; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:16:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE074-4eb4b228c55391; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:15:50 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJA0h-0000oS-QN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:14:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJA0h-0000oJ-AZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:14:35 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJA0g-0002RK-JS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:14:35 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvQEAMEaIktOlpWR/2dsb2JhbACIaM1BhCsEgWM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,383,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="317126389" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([78.150.149.145]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2009 18:14:26 +0000 Message-ID: <006801ca7a8d$c8842000$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC12@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B22410F.1000306@telia.com> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:14:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 This is what I have been saying all along and ofcourse there are Wireless Operators who know their subject and Appliance Operators fumbling with data. If you have enough bandwidth like microwave freqs then ARQ helps but on LF/MF and even HF under poor propagation condx or QRM it goes on for ever trying to get a correct response. to proceed with the traffic. I have used and experienced these various systems performing commercially over the years. If you have lots of tfc to shift then one has to perservere otherwise use CW and a professional operator. Imagine trying to pass a position report on an aircraft on HF using ARQ in poor or qrm condx, the aircraft could have landed by the time the msg was received. The fastest and most reliable modes on MF/HF for this type of operation was CW or SSB and is still used. For efficiency and simplicity and cost 500 kcs is still a good bet for the marine service and that is why they are reluctant to let it go. A professional CW operator will win out in the end, he only needs a few basic components and a piece of wet string to transmit his message via wirelss. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" To: Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 1:26 PM Subject: Re: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? On this matter... For the recent talk I gave on weak signals at a Microwave Roundtable ( http://www.g4jnt.com/MartleSham.htm ) I made some simulated CW in Noise using accurately calibrated S/N levels. An interesting finding came to light, if you normalise the signal rate to the S/N, so making bandwidth irrelevent, most of the 'fuzzy' modes end up with a similar capability. In other words, Aural CW, QRSS, SMT Hell all need a similar S/N at their respective bandwidths to work. The actual normalised S/N for readability is subject to the operator's experience togther with Temperature/Time of day/mood/Age/Gender/Alcohol intake/Hunger/Weather or any other similar parameter, but there's no massive differences between any of them. So its all down to bandwidth. Even machine modes without error correction manage a not-too-dissimilar performance once their data rates have been normalised. However, if you spread the signal, intentionally, by adding FEC, the improvements can be enormous. As I think we all know only too well when comparing QRSS etc with WSPR, Wolf and other modes with heavy FEC. At least on microwaves we have the luxury of virtually unlimited bandwidth, so can operate in a true Shannon power limited channel to make the most of band spreading. Incidently, the usually quoted signal efficiency used on one axis of the Shannon curve "Bits/second/Hz" sounds uninspiring. But if, instead of Hz, you use the old term 'cycles per second', it becomes Bits/cycle. Which puts a whole new meaning and explanation to the axis on the Shannon curve, and elicited an "Oh Wow, yes, that IS an interesting way of putting it" when told to an experienced comms engineer. The term was actually used in Shannon's original paper of 1948, but seems to have got lost Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police 2009/12/11 Johan H. Bodin : > Hi Stefan, > >> Or isn't it possible to give such a relation? > > Yes, it is not only possible, it is in fact quite simple: > When the speed is reduced by a factor K, the information bandwidth is > also reduced by the same factor. This allows you to use a receiver > bandwidth which is K times narrower without missing any information. The > nice thing is that the noise power passing through this bandwidth is > also K times smaller - The S/N ratio has improved K times (or 10*log(K) > dB if you prefer). In other words, you can reduce the TX power by the > same factor K and still enjoy the same SNR (if RX BW is is also made K > timer narrower). > > In visually received QRSS, the receiver bandwidth is equal to the RBW, > the "resolution bandwidth", which is approximately equal to the FFT bin > width (one pixel on Argo). > > QRSS30 is 10dB more efficient than QRSS3, in theory at least. > > 73 > Johan SM6LKM > > ---- > > Stefan Schfer wrote: >> Dear LF, >> Does anybody know about the "gain" between QRSS3 and QRSS10 or QRSS30? I mean, if the noise in both cases is equal, how much can I reduce my tx pwr when switching from qrss3 to qrss10? Or isn't it possible to give such a relation? >> And: Was there ever a TA QSO in QRSS3? >> I am new on the reflector, sri ;-) >> >> Stefan / DK7FC >> >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc02.mx.aol.com (rly-dc02.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.31]) by air-dc03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC034-b064b16b9c9eb; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:03:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC022-b064b16b9c9eb; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:02:35 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFuSM-0006sb-NX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:01:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFuSM-0006sQ-36 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:01:42 +0000 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFuSK-0008Ih-Dj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:01:42 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtcEAEVIFktOlANV/2dsb2JhbACCJC2iZbJQhDEE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,329,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="138842373" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.148.3.85]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 02 Dec 2009 19:01:34 +0000 Message-ID: <003101ca7381$dcd25df0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:01:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01CA7381.DC6BD3F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01CA7381.DC6BD3F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This reminds me of the Partridge Joy Stick 50 myears ago !!!!!!!!!!!!!= !!!!!!!1=20 The Wire is doing all the work and the probe is incidental g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 4:01 PM Subject: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Hi Mike, Bernd, LF,=20 Thank you very much for your transmission yesterday in the evening!= I could do very useful tests and improve my little rx-antenna signifi= cantly. I'm not sure if anyone who uses a short E-field active antenna as a= rx antenna knows about the dependence of wire length and the height= above ground so I want to give a report of the results of my tests ye= sterday in the dark. Perhaps some others could improve their antenna= by these explanations. (First I tried to sent the pictures into the mail but the mail size= became more than 100kB and so the mail wasn't reflected, as it seems.= So I do modify the mail cancelling the Pictures. I put them on my pag= e at qrz.com and those who are interested in the results of my improve= ments can find them there (at the lower end of the site).) For the first test I tried the active antenna with a wire of 1,4m.= The lower end of the wire was abt 2m above gnd (observed signal of G3= XDV)(Argo without AGC and RX with fast AGC). There was almost nothing= to see. Then, I reduced the wire length to 80cm while the hight above= gnd keeping constant. Results were much better as can be seen.=20 Next: 40cm wire length: even much better!=20 Next: 30cm: signal gets lower but qrm also. SNR slightly better.=20 Next: 25cm is the best, as I think.=20 Next: 20cm Signal becomes worse. So, the optimum seems to be at arou= nd 25.30cm!=20 Next: 20cm in a height of 4m: Signal comes up but noise also. No sig= nificant increase of SNR The signals of Ossi/OE5ODL were audible in all the tests and vy gd= to cpi. But the signal was too strong to see any differences between= the S/N ratios (a Picture is also available). My Conclusion: It seems that a short receiving antenna can bee seen= as a capacitive divider out of the capacity between far field and ant= enna and the capacity between antenna and ground. If the wire length= is to much, the input stage becomes nonlinear/goes into saturation.= If the height above ground is increased the signal comes up, but not= the signal/noise ratio(surely there will be a benefit if such an ante= nna is placed in a region with heavy local qrm. Then, the height shoul= d be increased and the wire length can be decreased). So, one cannot= say "the more the better" talking about the wire length! It's exciting, we can receive our "QRP"-Signals (compared to HF) ove= r a distance of 100s or 1000s of km with a wire that is 1/10000 Lambda= ! In comparison, in the 80m band that would be an antenna of 8mm (!)= ;-) With this improvement I get new hope for receiving anything out of= the city, where my home QTH is. I hope this report isn't nerving because of the long text (and pictu= res) and size. I try to stay always below 100kB. Perhaps some RXs can= be improved or Lowfers gets motivated to try such an antenna. 73, Stefan/DK7FC PS: Mike, what's your locator? I want to check the distance and take= a view to your QTH (on http://f6fvy.free.fr/qthLocator/fullScreen.php= everyone can type the searched QTH-Locator and watch the QTH of the= received stn). So one can see the distance and the wave travelling pa= th and if the stn in directly at the beach or in the mountains and so= on. Vy fine! PPS: I forward this message to Bernd, the constructor of the preamp.= I think he doesn't know that the antenna gets even better when reduci= ng the wire length! (tnx Bernd!)=20 ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01CA7381.DC6BD3F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This reminds me of the Partridge Joy= Stick 50=20 myears ago !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
The Wire is doing all the work and th= e probe is=20 incidental
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 02,= 2009 4:01=20 PM
Subject: LF: Results of optim= ising an=20 active antenna

Hi Mike, Bernd, LF, =

Thank you very much for your trans= mission yesterday in=20 the evening! I could do very useful tests and improve my little rx-a= ntenna=20 significantly.

I'm not sure if anyone who uses a= short E-field active=20 antenna as a rx antenna knows about the dependence of wire length an= d the=20 height above ground so I want to give a report of the results of my= tests=20 yesterday in the dark. Perhaps some others could improve their anten= na by=20 these explanations=85

(First I tried to=20 sent the pictures into the mail but the mail size became more than= 100kB and=20 so the mail wasn=92t reflected, as it seems. So I do modify the mail= cancelling=20 the Pictures. I put them on my page at qrz.com and those who are int= erested in=20 the results of my improvements can find them there (at the lower end= of the=20 site)=85)

For the first test I tried the act= ive antenna with a=20 wire of 1,4m. The lower end of the wire was abt 2m above gnd (observ= ed signal=20 of G3XDV)(Argo without AGC and RX with fast AGC). There was almost= nothing to=20 see. Then, I reduced the wire length to 80cm while the hight above= gnd keeping=20 constant. Results were much better as can be seen.

Next: 40cm wire length: even much= better!=20

Next: 30cm: signal gets lower but= qrm also. SNR=20 slightly better.

Next: 25cm is the best, as I think= .

Next: 20cm Signal becomes worse.= So, the optimum seems=20 to be at around 25=8530cm!

Next: 20cm in a height of 4m: Sign= al comes up but=20 noise also. No significant increase of SNR

The signals of Ossi/OE5ODL were au= dible in all the=20 tests and vy gd to cpi. But the signal was too strong to see any dif= ferences=20 between the S/N ratios (a Picture is also available).<= /P>

 =

My Conclusion: It seems that a sho= rt receiving antenna=20 can bee seen as a capacitive divider out of the capacity between far= field and=20 antenna and the capacity between antenna and ground. If the wire len= gth is to=20 much, the input stage becomes nonlinear/goes into saturation. If the= height=20 above ground is increased the signal comes up, but not the signal/no= ise ratio(surely there will be=20 a benefit if such an antenna is placed in a region with heavy local= qrm. Then,=20 the height should be increased and the wire length can be decreased)= . So, one cannot sa= y =93the more the better=94=20 talking about the wire length!

It=92s exciting, we can receive ou= r =93QRP=94-Signals=20 (compared to HF) over a distance of 100s or 1000s of km with a wire= that is=20 1/10000 Lambda! In co= mparison, in=20 the 80m band that would be an antenna of 8mm (!)=20 ;-)

With this improvement I get new ho= pe for receiving=20 anything out of the city, where my home QTH is=85

I hope this report isn=92t nerving= because of the long=20 text (a= nd=20 pictures) and size. I=20 try to stay always below 100kB. Perhaps some RXs can be improved or= Lowfers=20 gets motivated to try such an antenna=85

73, Stefan/DK7FC

PS: Mike, what's your locator? I= want to check the=20 distance and take a view to your QTH (on http://f6fvy.free.fr/qthLocator/fullScreen.php<= /SPAN>=20 everyone can type the searched QTH-Locator and watch the QTH of the= received=20 stn). So one can see the distance and the wave travelling path and= if the stn=20 in directly at the beach or in the mountains and so on. Vy=20 fine!

PPS: I forward this message to Ber= nd, the constructor=20 of the preamp. I think he doesn=92t know that the antenna gets even= better when=20 reducing the wire length! (tnx Bernd!)

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_002E_01CA7381.DC6BD3F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.202]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB011-85ed4b368e7fa7; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:30:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F409238000092; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:30:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOf8V-0007hK-Un for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 22:29:23 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOf8V-0007hB-AJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 22:29:23 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOf8U-0006Xe-Hs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 22:29:23 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 675637B802A for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 23:29:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BCF3F3862 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 23:29:11 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id D98C418056; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 23:29:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from 114.21-180-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (114.21-180-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [91.180.21.114]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 23:29:10 +0100 Message-ID: <20091226232910.zvm80doogowog4sg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 23:29:10 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AD02@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AD02@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 91.180.21.114 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40ca4b368e7e56c8 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Stefan, why not use the "big" TX antenna also for RX. With a sufficient =20 atenuator of course. On 137kHz I alway used my TX antenna for RX, but a 40dB attenuator was =20 required to avoid overload at the RX. 73, Rik ON7YD Quoting Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer : > Dear Lowfers, > > Yesterday i saw the extreme influence of my 100m vertical tx antenna =20 > to the small active antenna. Now I have some ideas how to avoid =20 > that and would be thankful for any comments and hints. > > During the QSOs there was much QSB in the RX signals, just as if =20 > someone is playing with the AF-volume. First I thought it is caused =20 > by a loose contact in the Converter or in the fiber optic cable but =20 > later I found, that it was caused by the angle of the tx antenna to =20 > ground (Wind was good but with some QSB ;-) ). > > In my last QSO with IK1HSS I disconnected the TX wire from the =20 > loading coil and than, the whole signal was almost gone (when =20 > choosing =E2=80=9Cvisual mode LOW=E2=80=9D at the argo monitor). Switchi= ng to =20 > =E2=80=9Cvisual mode HIGH=E2=80=9D and increasing the AF a little bit ga= ve almost =20 > the same QRM lines by DFC39 (vy strong yesterday). Now, the SNR was =20 > much better than before! > > In the following pic you can get a impression of the dimension of =20 > the influence of the TX ant (The RX ant is isolated to the rest of =20 > the rig by an optic fiber cable and battery supply, so =E2=80=9Cjust=E2= =80=9D =20 > coupled by the E field to the TX ant): > > [cid:image001.jpg@01CA865F.BA287870] > > In the left part the TX wire was disconnected from the coil and mode was= HIGH > > In the middle part I connected the wire to the loading coil > > In the right part I switched to the LOW mode! > > I am sure that the TX ant does not only increase the QRM but also =20 > the wanted signal. So the benefit will not be so strong than between =20 > left and right part in the pic. But the SNR increases =20 > significantly, as I saw in the QSO with IK1HSS. So a disconnection =20 > of the TX wire makes sense. > > What are the alternatives? > > Placing the RX ant apart from the TX ant to reduce the influence? I =20 > think with a 100m vertical I can forget that unless I do not want to =20 > spend 100s of meters of RX cable ;-) > > Bringing the ant out of resonance? That is the one and only solution =20 > I think. Any better ideas? > > I could disconnect the loading coil at the lower end to ground. That =20 > could be done with a relay (My RX/TX sequencer provides an output =20 > =E2=80=9C12V @ RX=E2=80=9D that could directly be used for this). Probab= ly there =20 > will be a residual coupling capacity of the coil to ground and the =20 > relay contacts and so on, say 30pF but since my ant C is 580pF that =20 > would be quite enough for deadjusting, I hope so. > > As I thought about protecting the contacts and the PA in the case =20 > that there will be a mistake (contacts have to be closed without a =20 > voltage at the relay) in the circuit, i thought some Varistors or =20 > even better some antiparallel diodes could be a good choice. That =20 > brought me to the idea that a power diode out of a SMPS would easyly =20 > handle the antenna current with fast enough switching times. > > So do you think just two antiparallel diodes (or perhaps 2x2, 2 in =20 > series, and perhaps with an additional 10=E2=80=A6100k Resistor parallel= ) =20 > without a relay could be suitable to solve the RX TX ant influence =20 > problem? Could the TX signal distortion be neglected? When the =20 > voltage across the diodes (RX case) is less than the forward =20 > voltage, do the diodes act as an open contact, just with a few pF =20 > reverse capacity? I think so but I don=E2=80=99t know much about the RX= =20 > voltages that are given by such an antenna. There will be some =20 > experiments=E2=80=A6 :) > > Comments welcome ;-) > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (rly-dg01.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.85]) by air-dg07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG074-59c4b2d14e23d8; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:01:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG011-59c4b2d14e23d8; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:01:08 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NM3Wf-0002pL-99 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:55:33 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NM3We-0002pC-Os for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:55:32 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NM3ag-0005i4-Vb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:59:44 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.3]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091219175437.VOAN27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:54:37 +0000 Received: from [86.27.92.51] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NM3Vl-0005cs-DH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:54:37 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <346854e9698cbf94f4483c66682bb63b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <001e01ca80b0$392cb0b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <002501ca80cc$2df97f90$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:54:35 -0000 Message-ID: <00ba01ca80d4$53af4d20$0217aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <002501ca80cc$2df97f90$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcqAzGFx0gc34KT2S+qPja2+9+kr0gAB5Psg X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1ggfb5FlKZQUfF3vzm9UBYZ2uTfLsbs/8dSljwg5+mE= c=1 sm=0 a=Vwgi05fIUd8A:10 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=bz8W5dAOWtpmlNZclK8A:9 a=5dV5Y5ZRe0OonRsZU0NH5DOLoJ0A:4 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: Re: Re: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 As opposed to a false resonant antenna? Troll food!! Best wishes and merry Christmas to all Jim G7NKS I said recently that the wire connecting these type of mini antennas is in fact the antenna. It was the same with the Partridge Joy stick of yesteryears, the long connecting wire to the small loading coil was doing most of the work. There is no substitute for a real resonant antenna at the working frequency. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 1:36 PM Subject: LF: Re: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals > >I think the role of the ground with active whips is often neglected - the output of the whip preamp > >is the voltage differential between the whip element and the circuit ground, so the ground > >connection is just as much part of the antenna as the whip element itself is. > > That's an important point that is often overlooked or ignored. A mini whip mounted up at 5 meters is > a 5 meter antenna. You can easily prove this by mounting it at ground zero on top of a ground > screen. Been there, done that. > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me05.mx.aol.com (rly-me05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.39]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME032-9b54b1695291cc; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:26:39 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME051-9b54b1695291cc; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:26:18 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFs10-000547-KT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:25:18 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFs10-00053y-7T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:25:18 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFs0z-00063l-Ce for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:25:18 +0000 Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091202162011.OGIE17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com>; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:20:11 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091202162011.BYVC2093.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]>; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:20:11 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?=" , rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:20:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B1693B7.15908.4B3CBE@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=dhz1nbLXCGUA:10 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=3T_JeE6tAAAA:8 a=H6aXk52kRGse47-bHh0A:9 a=dTgRmNREED6-7hYJY6eHIeiWJLMA:4 a=4qNJEKoO9VQA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=WORK_AT_HOME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 > PS: Mike, what's your locator? I want to check the distance and take a > view to your QTH (on http://f6fvy.free.fr/qthLocator/fullScreen.php > everyone can type the searched QTH-Locator and watch the QTH of the > received stn). So one can see the distance and the wave travelling > path and if the stn in directly at the beach or in the mountains and > so on. Vy fine! Hi Stefan, I am pleased my beacon was useful, and thanks for sharing your results. Other people used my transmission last night and I have been asked to run it again tonight. I work from home and can be active at any time if you need a signal again. My locator is IO91VT. If you zoom into the locator square given by that web site, I am located about 30% down the square and about half way across. 73 de Mike ======== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG053-a204b22210f2f6; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:38:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG072-a204b22210f2f6; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:38:09 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ2s3-000561-LK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:37:11 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ2s3-00055s-3z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:37:11 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ2s1-0006sA-2J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:37:11 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqYEALWfIUtZ8LIi/2dsb2JhbACOEAbIJ4QrBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,381,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="313555876" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([89.240.178.34]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2009 09:29:15 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01ca7a44$6a00c2c0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 09:29:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7A44.69A3AEA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7A44.69A3AEA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Signal adjustment=20 G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7A44.69A3AEA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7A44.69A3AEA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md10.mx.aol.com (rly-md10.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.148]) by air-md08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD081-92c4b251477220; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:21:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD104-92c4b251477220; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:21:12 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJrAZ-0005VZ-9p for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:19:39 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJrAY-0005VQ-Nu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:19:38 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJrB8-0003qh-KH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:20:16 +0000 Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091213162008.VZHI17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:20:08 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091213162008.MSPX21638.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:20:08 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:20:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B251434.20887.16AB41C@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: References: <1260444821.6353.65.camel@vaio3rd>, <4B250D02.733.14E9A34@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com>, X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=0WSUxHMXFWIA:10 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=aWpAf1uQ3O-xLEdZw2AA:9 a=ExDq9xAkyczN55DWesE_PVasxm4A:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 There are no official differences in procedure, but of course most stations would try to send less information and shorter 'words' during slower QRSS QSOs. "73" could be replaced by "GB" (goodbye), and once full callsigns have been exchanged, they could be shortened of left out completely. Reports need not be repeated (just 'O' instead of 'O O O'). This is most important when using QRSS30 or QRSS60 for intercontinental QSOs. A useful timing advantage comes from using DFCW though it is slightly less readable than QRSS. Mike, G3XDV ========== > Is there a special procedure to shorten QSO's in QRSS10 or are there > short signs? Couldn't we use letters in stead of numbers in our calls? > Or just a 3 for 73 to give an example? 3 HBNASB > > 2009/12/13 Mike Dennison > > > See my web page: > > > > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mike.dennison/index/lf/gallery/dl3zid.h > > tm > > > > for an illustration of the difference between QRSS3 and QRSS10 on a > > marginal signal. > > > > Mike, G3XDV > > ========== > > > > > Does anybody know about the "gain" between QRSS3 and QRSS10 or > > > QRSS30? I mean, if the noise in both cases is equal, how much can > > > I reduce my tx pwr when switching from qrss3 to qrss10? Or isn't > > > it possible to give such a relation? And: Was there ever a TA QSO > > > in QRSS3? I am new on the reflector, sri ;-) > > > > > > Stefan / DK7FC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb11.mx.aol.com (rly-mb11.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.169]) by air-mb01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB013-d364b2df770351; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 05:07:57 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb11.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB112-d364b2df770351; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 05:07:46 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMIcB-0006dR-QD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 10:02:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMIcB-0006dI-GA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 10:02:15 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMIfq-0004Qf-OH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 10:06:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 5769 invoked by uid 507); 20 Dec 2009 11:06:37 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2009 11:06:37 +0100 Message-ID: <200912201106400858.2B71DECA@smtp2.numeo.fr> References: <200912201054240958.2B66A409@smtp2.numeo.fr> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:06:40 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: F6BWO 339 by ear on hand speed CW on 137 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 BWO now R5 at 1005z. F5VLF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (rly-mc03.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.87]) by air-mc03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC033-d674b18f6941b8; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 06:46:37 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC037-d674b18f6941b8; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 06:46:30 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGWal-0006MB-RV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:44:55 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGWal-0006M2-0X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:44:55 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGWai-0004k1-UV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:44:54 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B86752AD0E4 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 11:44:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps02.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.138] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.58V) with ESMTP id XID310NLDLSt9648X01; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:44:45 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.138 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps02.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID310NLDLSt9648X01 Received: from [192.168.1.3] [151.47.209.234] by cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 345NLDLSr2272M38; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:44:43 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.209.234 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.3] Message-ID: <4B18F629.8050606@usa.net> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:44:41 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B16987B.9000002@usa.net> <4B179DE6.3050608@usa.net> <20091203194531.or926chzk844g4k8@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <4B183595.5060800@usa.net> <4B18C0F9.8060202@telia.com> In-Reply-To: <4B18C0F9.8060202@telia.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID345NLDLSS2272X38 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Johan H. Bodin wrote: > Yes, those Trappiste beers are quite interesting, Chimay for example > which is available in different signal strengths (QRP..QRO), but I don't > believe it is possible to get them in metal cans. As a compromise, you > can try to wrap the bottle in metal foil, or, avoid drinking it and > solder the FET gate directly to the bottle's cap. :-) > > 73 > Johan SM6LKM Oh no.... avoiding drinking it would be asking too much.... :-) And G4GVW says : > We may, therefore, suppose that S/N ratios might depend on the number of > samples, their frequency and relative signal strengths. The condition of > the observer should,probably, also be taken into account! Correct... so to reduce the variance, what would be needed is a much greater number of samples so to average out the statistical fluctuations... hmmm, not too bad a task... :-) 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb08.mx.aol.com (rly-mb08.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.166]) by air-mb02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB022-d1d4b19863c273; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:59:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB081-d1d4b19863c273; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:59:25 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGgAb-0002q6-Ha for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:58:33 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGgAb-0002px-3w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:58:33 +0000 Received: from mailout03.t-online.de ([194.25.134.81]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGgAZ-0000tt-7Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:58:33 +0000 Received: from fwd03.aul.t-online.de by mailout03.t-online.de with smtp id 1NGgAY-00076K-04; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:58:30 +0100 Received: from e7010 (S8EFkOZAwhXLhZsUrpQqESZzJBqduaZKSlEhwVI3NacAWtTlWQCHmgtSU2yrSbEQAz@[84.147.254.117]) by fwd03.aul.t-online.de with smtp id 1NGgAS-1pS33A0; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:58:24 +0100 Message-ID: <008101ca752c$e6253790$6402a8c0@e7010> From: "Walter und Marianne Staubach" To: Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:58:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-ID: S8EFkOZAwhXLhZsUrpQqESZzJBqduaZKSlEhwVI3NacAWtTlWQCHmgtSU2yrSbEQAz X-TOI-MSGID: bbcc31a8-9a08-4124-844b-ef654bcb5d3d X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: DI2AG WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007E_01CA7535.476AD2A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01CA7535.476AD2A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear MF, due to technical problems DI2AG must be shut down. 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------=_NextPart_000_007E_01CA7535.476AD2A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me09.mx.aol.com (rly-me09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.43]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME034-9dc4b391dea36c; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:07:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME098-9dc4b391dea36c; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:06:52 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPMmH-0006rn-6k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:05:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPMmG-0006re-RY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:05:20 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPMmD-0008UG-RA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:05:20 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so6993303bwz.4 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:05:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=qUDK5Mepx/bS8MwRd4F7RGt8XycI8AxTuUWmBCeiq+Y=; b=TlBMuTKfOLUJiyHI+TaZzQOnSuZxHUqCs6n/cVlY54f9u/x3WKYnhR8r2uvqVwwZl0 WkH8IfMhS6ShAYP7w3JNJUjouXudrVcu++lZLWV3SZrUWgD2dQjamVrEhFc8ap1+X9cr Z5wwmXJGvH7aHDj2Wo+DX5ixLs85b3RLeuZ70= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=R4jW2UD4Q3VpSGy4eEh8Im7pDL/MlVZ1OHw9GUUQDweE+JcNwjx3kydb6zdJFY1iEe bu2hmx+V6K/UGPJKQPqALgBAiHOnl26fSQGlhKrEpJCid4eqUaA6Nq+Htoz7u4zTe5T4 jWkjoHpA1kAAGI4vnW8DJ3rv+eDdl91noUfa0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.10.8 with SMTP id n8mr4163124bkn.48.1262034310709; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:05:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:05:10 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: 500kHz Beacon write up Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d225.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) After receiving a few of reports of this beacon (both the "5MHZ type" and the WSPR signals) from listeners who clearly hadn't previously heard about it, I've done a quick write up. Take a look at http://www.g4jnt.com/500kHz_beacon.pdf Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (rly-ma06.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.50]) by air-ma09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA093-8b34b236820353; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 04:53:44 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA065-8b34b236820353; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 04:53:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJOeV-0000Fa-R1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 09:52:39 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJOeV-0000FP-EG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 09:52:39 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJOeU-0006Tx-O9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 09:52:39 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7968E51C001 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:52:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 681B5F3862 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:52:29 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id B6B0718056; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:52:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from 12.62-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (12.62-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [87.65.62.12]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:52:28 +0100 Message-ID: <20091212105228.nhnn4kgtogw0w44s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:52:28 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <001901ca7ab9$f82c4630$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <4B22D7EF.7070908@inext.at> In-Reply-To: <4B22D7EF.7070908@inext.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 87.65.62.12 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: ID of station on 137775.25? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Ossi, that was an audible copy here. "AGC" was also O-copy a few Hz up. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Oberreiter Oswald : > hallo jay thanks fere report was transmiting only my nr 5 5 5 5 5 ... > 73 oe5odl ossi > > jrusgrove@comcast.net schrieb: > Very strong copy of '5' earlier. Curious who this might be. > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > > ________________________________ > > [cid:part1.09070409.07020909@inext.at] > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md09.mx.aol.com (rly-md09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.147]) by air-md04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD041-9244b2956be223; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:53:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD094-9244b2956be223; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:53:04 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NL1kf-0001qV-0K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:49:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NL1ke-0001qI-GE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:49:44 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NL1md-0007lW-8i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:51:50 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (co02-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 381B51345A0 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:52:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps02.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.138] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.58V) with ESMTP id XID609NLPV1F9905X02; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:52:05 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.138 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps02.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID609NLPV1F9905X02 Received: from [192.168.1.4] [151.47.214.131] by cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 229NLPV1c9072M38; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:52:02 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.214.131 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.4] Message-ID: <4B29567F.9080106@usa.net> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:51:59 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID229NLPV1c9072X38 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=1.639,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------070207080208030309080801" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_06, HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_08,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_ONLY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --------------070207080208030309080801 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roelof Bakker wrote: 
Hello Stefan,

This sounds quite interesting.
An other option is to use a twisted pair of CAT5 network cable and  
rf-isolation transformers at the antenne and receiver end.
The power for the active antenna can be fed over a second twisted pair.
I have used this in a few stubborn cases.
I used a couple of these ununs, galvanically isolated, at the two ends of the coax.
It helps a lot. The core was a very high permeability one.

73  Alberto  I2PHD


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Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:30:38 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/240.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:30:38 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Osborn To: LF Group MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: OH1TN calling CQ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1299824424-1261416638=:11526" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d283.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-1299824424-1261416638=:11526 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LF, OH1TN has been calling CQ for hours on 137.7 kHz DFCW(3). Has anyone still got their LF gear? 73 Chris G3XIZ =20 --0-1299824424-1261416638=:11526 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
LF,

OH1TN has been calling CQ for hours on 137.7 kHz DFCW(3).
Has= anyone still got their LF gear?

73 Chris G3XIZ


--0-1299824424-1261416638=:11526-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me04.mx.aol.com (rly-me04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.38]) by air-me09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME092-9b14b251b20285; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:49:44 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME045-9b14b251b20285; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:49:38 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJrcB-000620-QD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:48:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJrcB-00061r-E2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:48:11 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate03.web.de ([217.72.192.234]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJrcf-000534-Hd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:48:44 +0000 Received: from smtp06.web.de (fmsmtp06.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.5.172]) by fmmailgate03.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE3A138BC137; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:48:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from [217.227.113.4] (helo=mo76) by smtp06.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE 4.110 #314) id 1NJrcY-0002CH-00; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:48:35 +0100 Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:48:34 +0100 From: Michael Oexner X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.12.00) Personal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <297314752.20091213174834@web.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CC: ik1hss@arrl.net, Marco IK1ODO In-Reply-To: References: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> <241919.87622.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9afca2640912130305r3acb5e5fs991caaa1115d2255@mail.gmail.com> <6E7638745A1B43168C402CDBB010C2A7@AGB> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: michael.oexner@web.de X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+5CoOxYcCJf9JU+hltcf4p3x59AsPZlEzfMsc+ m0FjYgOPLgpZt7YaPpZyGAwWMlBMo3ON9VmhpN0gYD/XYLOdYu Pbvp9YQ/7u53jSBmV11w== X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: IK1HSS WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ciao Marco, > IK1HSS is active in WSPR on 137.740 (signal frequency, carrier is at > 136.420). ERP power is 50 mW from JN35TB. > Reports are appreciated to ik1hss@arrl.net ! 1638 -22 0.1 0.137753 -1 IK1HSS JN35 17 1642 -19 0.2 0.137753 -1 IK1HSS JN35 17 1646 -17 0.1 0.137753 0 IK1HSS JN35 17 Listening here with Perseus and mini-whip antenna. --=20 vy 73 + gd DX, Michael RX: ICOM R75, SDR-IQ, Perseus Antenna: Wellbrook ALA 1530, Mini-Whip Location: Roschbach, Germany N 49=B015' E 8=B007' / Locator JN49BF ENDBH & NANDBH editor http://ndbchangeblog.blogspot.com http://lwca.org/miscdocs/oexner/2009NDBinfo.zip From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db09.mx.aol.com (rly-db09.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.84]) by air-db04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB041-ae64b23eb4019b; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:13:14 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB094-ae64b23eb4019b; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:13:05 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJXNq-0002mj-3V for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:12:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJXNp-0002ma-Kx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:12:01 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJXNu-00024L-60 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:12:08 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (co02-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 047EE134119 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:11:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps02.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.138] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.58V) with ESMTP id XID092NLLTma6337X02; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:12:00 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.138 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps02.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID092NLLTma6337X02 Received: from [192.168.1.4] [151.47.220.86] by cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 989NLLTL76272M38; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:11:58 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.220.86 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.4] Message-ID: <4B23EAFB.7080608@usa.net> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:11:55 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC1F@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B23B319.9080005@usa.net> <4B23C4B5.10102@freenet.de> <003e01ca7b4d$307ac190$3ab27cbc@ap6fnsa53r3k6h> <4B23E5CD.6090209@freenet.de> In-Reply-To: <4B23E5CD.6090209@freenet.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID989NLLTL76272X38 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: Re: LF: Japanese time&frequency station Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) This is how I see now (19:10 UTC, Dec 12) that segment of band http://www.sdradio.eu/images/25-50kHz.gif Mini-whip + SDR-IQ 73 Alberto I2PHD ----------------------------------------- Wolfgang B=FCscher wrote: > Hi Marcin, > At the very moment on VLF..LF : >=20 > 22.1 kHz GQD (Anthorn), strong, > 23.4 kHz DHO, extremely strong (my "VLF neighbour", hi) > 24.0 NAA Cutler, USA, about 40 dB weaker than DHO but very cleary visibl= e, > 25.2 NML La Moure, USA, about 10 dB weaker than NAA but still visible > around 30 kHz : hell of a noise from energy saving QRM generators, > 37.5 kHz TFK from Iceland, strong, > around 40 kHz : lots of noise again, almost masking NAU on 40.75 kHz, > 45.9 NSY (US navy from Italy), very strong also, > 51.95 GYW from Scotland, > 53.4 TBG from Turkey with a RTTY-like sound (no MSK) >=20 > plus a few 'unidentified' signals which don't look like MSK . > 73, Wolf . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md10.mx.aol.com (rly-md10.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.148]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD053-92d4b2924e620a; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:20:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD105-92d4b2924e620a; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:20:23 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKyQS-0007R0-Kj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:16:40 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKyQS-0007Qr-9S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:16:40 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.29]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKySn-0005hK-F6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:19:07 +0000 Received: from pc1 (ndb.demon.nl [82.161.81.65]) by smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBGIIu6d047941 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:19:05 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:18:55 -0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Roelof Bakker" MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.63 (Win32) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Stefan, This sounds quite interesting. An other option is to use a twisted pair of CAT5 network cable and rf-isolation transformers at the antenne and receiver end. The power for the active antenna can be fed over a second twisted pair. I have used this in a few stubborn cases. It should be interesting to compare both methods. 73, Roelof bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (rly-mc03.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.87]) by air-mc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC044-d674b27d4f02e6; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:27:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC037-d674b27d4f02e6; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:26:58 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKc3T-0008Bs-Sd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:23:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKc3T-0008Bj-CR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:23:27 +0000 Received: from mailout.toya.net.pl ([217.113.224.27] ident=postfix) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKc4w-0007TA-Jx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:25:00 +0000 Received: from mail.toya.net.pl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5426E20000594 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:25:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (unknown [10.11.152.246]) (Authenticated sender: unimlyn) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2FF4520000591 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:25:15 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B27D48A.7080802@toya.net.pl> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:25:14 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?UGlvdHIgTcWCeW5hcnNraQ==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC77@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC77@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: AW: AW: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070100070409000104040305" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------070100070409000104040305 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer wrote: > Mni tnx Rik for your answer! > > =20 > > No, you didn=E2=80=99t spoil the fun at all ;-) > > =20 > > I have some remarks/ideas. > > The coil losses increase linear with the power but not more than=20 > linear. So, 10x the power wouldn=E2=80=99t decrease the antenna efficien= cy (if=20 > no arcing occurs, of course). If we assume an antenna, e.g. in 8m=20 > height with many toploads, then the efficiency will be poor but the=20 > capacitance will be high and thus the needed L will be small.=20 > Therefore we get a low voltage even with very high power and due to=20 > the low efficiency we will keep the legal limit. So, if one has no=20 > possibility to increase the antenna height QRO is one choice,=20 > especially when the operator is already in pension and cannot do a qso= =20 > in qrss10000000000000000000000000 any more ;-) > > =20 > Dear Stefan, LF group I did read all the answers within the topic you've started or , being= =20 more precise, how to get the 1 watt of permitted ERP limit using=20 different ideas concerning antennae, TX power, "gain" due to different=20 modulations ( qrss , FEC related, etc...) Of course, in practical=20 terms an appropriate mixture of all the factors mentioned along with=20 propagation paths and its duration , results in an ability of a given=20 station to make a qso As we all have also some fun with that issue, especially looking at=20 the qrss1//endless repetition of zeros// so let us make this fun to= =20 stay a little longer.. There was one conclusion: bad antenna - go for a QRO - i would go=20 for another extreme .. "good" antenna - go for a QRP the lambda for 137 kHz is, say, 2200 meters, its quarter 550 meters so=20 why not making a GP ( ground plane antenna) :) Assuming 3db loss of a GP wrt dipole to get 1 watt erp we must have a=20 tiny 2 Watt transmitter and.. hire a helicopter for an hour or so =20 to rise that 550 meters of wire and stay in a suspension mode while ,=20 at this time , one can make tens of qso using normal CW ( i did not=20 mention about lambda/4 counterpoises ) when reading about kiloWatts of TX power, corona effects already=20 compared to Northern lights i immediately thought about the 'opposite' = :) = =20 73 de Piotr, sq7mpj qth: Lodz/jo91rs/ p.s . Does anyone know the cost of a helicopter rental ? ( i mean,=20 in practice, statistical average or so) --------------070100070409000104040305 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer wrote:

= Mni tnx Rik for your answer!

= =C2=A0

No, you didn=E2=80=99t spoil the fun at all ;-)

=C2=A0

= I have some remarks/ideas.

The coil losses increase linear with the power but not more than linear. So, 10x the power wouldn=E2=80=99t decrease the antenna efficiency (if no arcing occurs, of course). If we assume an antenna, e.g. in 8m height with many toploads, then the efficiency will be poor but the capacitance will be high and thus the needed L will be small. Therefore we get a low voltage even with very high power and due to the low efficiency we will keep the legal limit. So, if one has no possibility to increase the antenna height QRO is one choice, especially when the operator is already in pension and cannot do a qso in qrss10000000000000000000000000 any more ;-)

=C2=A0

Dear Stefan, LF group
I=C2=A0 did read=C2=A0 all the answers within the topic you've started=C2= =A0 or , being more precise,=C2=A0 how to get=C2=A0 the 1 watt of permitted=C2=A0= ERP=C2=A0 limit=C2=A0 using different ideas concerning antennae, TX power, "gain" due to different modulations ( qrss , FEC related,=C2=A0=C2=A0 etc...) Of course,= in practical terms an appropriate mixture of all the factors mentioned=C2=A0 along with propagation paths and its duration , results in an ability of=C2=A0 a given station to make a qso
As=C2=A0 we all have=C2=A0 also some fun=C2=A0 with that issue, especially= looking at the qrss1//endless repetition of zeros// =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 so let us make= this fun=C2=A0 to stay a little longer..
There was=C2=A0 one=C2=A0 conclusion:=C2=A0 bad antenna=C2=A0 - go for a= QRO=C2=A0=C2=A0 - i would go for another extreme .. "good" antenna - go for a QRP
the lambda for 137 kHz is, say, 2200 meters, its quarter=C2=A0 550 meters= so why not making a GP ( ground plane antenna)=C2=A0=C2=A0 :)
Assuming 3db loss of a GP wrt dipole=C2=A0 to get 1 watt erp we must have= a tiny 2 Watt=C2=A0 transmitter=C2=A0 and.. hire a=C2=A0 helicopter=C2=A0 fo= r=C2=A0 an hour or so=C2=A0 to rise that 550 meters of wire and stay in a suspension mode=C2=A0 while= , at this time , one can make tens of=C2=A0 qso using normal=C2=A0 CW=C2=A0= ( i did not mention about=C2=A0 lambda/4 counterpoises )

when reading about kiloWatts of=C2=A0 TX power, corona effects already compared to Northern lights i=C2=A0 immediately thought about the 'opposite'=C2=A0 :)

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 73 de Piotr, sq7mpj
qth:=C2=A0 Lodz/jo91rs/

p.s .=C2=A0 Does anyone know=C2=A0=C2=A0 the cost of=C2=A0 a helicopter re= ntal ? ( i mean, in practice, statistical average or so)
--------------070100070409000104040305-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (rly-mg05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.111]) by air-mg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG062-a124b20424974; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:35:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG054-a124b20424974; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:35:23 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIWys-00079w-LE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:34:06 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIWyr-00079n-Lt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:34:05 +0000 Received: from qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.16]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIWyp-0004Wg-0H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:34:05 +0000 Received: from OMTA22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.73]) by QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FCEL1d00B1ap0As51CZBpA; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:33:11 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([76.23.233.102]) by OMTA22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FCaC1d0082DDHkk3iCaCt2; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:34:13 +0000 Message-ID: <003201ca7930$73dc02b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <392758439.1260398409.48146488.79519@mcgi74.rambler.ru> <4B202EA6.1090000@usa.net> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 19:33:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 2.0 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,EXTRA_MPART_TYPE=0.815,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=0.64,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 147.3 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01CA7906.8A82E800" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_10, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01CA7906.8A82E800 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_002E_01CA7906.8A82E800" ------=_NextPart_001_002E_01CA7906.8A82E800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good copy of cw signal 'by ear' in CT ... on a very noisy night. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: Alberto di Bene To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 6:11 PM Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 147.3 Beautiful copy of DDH47, but then, given their power, it is not a great surprise.... 73 Alberto I2PHD ------=_NextPart_001_002E_01CA7906.8A82E800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good copy= of cw signal 'by=20 ear' in CT ... on a very noisy night.
 
Jay W1VD  WD2XNS=  =20 WE2XGR/2
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Alberto di= Bene=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 09,= 2009 6:11=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 147.3<= /DIV>

Beautiful copy of DDH47, but then, given their power,= it is not=20 a great surprise....

73  Alberto  I2PHD


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(unknown [91.109.40.94]) by mwinf3502.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 78CB57000091 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:50:26 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20091214195026494.78CB57000091@mwinf3502.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <0FBFB0F2D03145CFA5444890FC1156D7@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <20091210100700.32DEC31E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <1260444821.6353.65.camel@vaio3rd> <1260449921.6353.77.camel@vaio3rd> <200912141851290399.0E3514C6@smtp2.numeo.fr> In-Reply-To: <200912141851290399.0E3514C6@smtp2.numeo.fr> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:50:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 John, Looks like its a just a plain old cw rig .. don't have the full= story,=20 but from the bits of the pdf that translates , looks like its dds= =20 controlled with a pic , master clock running at 67 MHZ , dds out= to 17=20 MHz then divided down to 136 .. A real steam hammer / nut cracker set at round =A3800 .. .. and there= is a=20 50 watt version as well ..... http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "John RABSON" Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 5:51 PM To: Subject: LF: Re: TX-2200A > > May I add a somewhat late comment about this product, please? > > It seems to me that there are several different requirements for a= =20 > transmitter for 136 kHz, depending upon what any individual needs.= Being=20 > able to generate 1 kW is not always necessary. One thing that struc= k me=20 > about this unit is that the power level can be varied over a conside= rable=20 > range. When setting up an antenna and its connection to the feed li= ne, it=20 > is very useful to start with low power (hence low voltage) so as not= to=20 > stress the various components unnecessarily. > > One thing I like about this unit is that it can be used for ordinary= =20 > hand-sent CW. Presumably QRSS would not be a problem. Also, can th= is rig=20 > be used for some of the more sophisticated modes? I do not think I= have a=20 > complete set of the e-mails of this thread. Please will someone enl= ighten=20 > me. Thanks. > > 73 > John Rabson > F5VLF > 58800 Cervon > France > JN17vg > > > > > >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.214]) by air-mg05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG052-8c2e4b3798bc36; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:26:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B32DB380000AF; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:26:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOwrV-00038w-HH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:25:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOwrV-00038n-6v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:25:01 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOwrU-0001UW-IT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:25:01 +0000 Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091227172454.WISE27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:24:54 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091227172454.SPUP21638.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:24:54 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:24:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B379863.32201.6059F4@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=hJvq4DRsbZEC4C7yUjIA:9 a=-z-Iw6m4OUUyuQTnJK9ffLgWFuoA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: G3XDV beacon Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d64b3798bb1b25 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I am transmitting 'XDV' on QRSS60 from now until tomorrow morning (the 28th). The frequency is 136.3198kHz. I note that DJ8WX is on 136.3190kHz and PA3CPM is on 136.3180kHz at present. Mike, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.74]) by air-di01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI012-eab74b2241902e9; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 07:56:48 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4A5B638000070; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 07:56:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ51H-0006nf-Gr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:54:51 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ51G-0006nW-Sl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:54:50 +0000 Received: from pne-smtpout1-sn1.fre.skanova.net ([81.228.11.98]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ51D-0008AZ-6O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:54:50 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (81.235.167.68) by pne-smtpout1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (7.3.140.3) (authenticated as u33233109) id 4AE169E6006B56B0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:54:41 +0100 Message-ID: <4B22410F.1000306@telia.com> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:54:39 +0100 From: "Johan H. Bodin" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC12@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC12@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404a4b22418f2ca2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Stefan, > Or isn't it possible to give such a relation? Yes, it is not only possible, it is in fact quite simple: When the speed is reduced by a factor K, the information bandwidth is also reduced by the same factor. This allows you to use a receiver bandwidth which is K times narrower without missing any information. The nice thing is that the noise power passing through this bandwidth is also K times smaller - The S/N ratio has improved K times (or 10*log(K) dB if you prefer). In other words, you can reduce the TX power by the same factor K and still enjoy the same SNR (if RX BW is is also made K timer narrower). In visually received QRSS, the receiver bandwidth is equal to the RBW, the "resolution bandwidth", which is approximately equal to the FFT bin width (one pixel on Argo). QRSS30 is 10dB more efficient than QRSS3, in theory at least. 73 Johan SM6LKM ---- Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > Dear LF,=20 > Does anybody know about the "gain" between QRSS3 and QRSS10 or QRSS30?= I mean, if the noise in both cases is equal, how much can I reduce my tx= pwr when switching from qrss3 to qrss10? Or isn't it possible to give suc= h a relation? > And: Was there ever a TA QSO in QRSS3? > I am new on the reflector, sri ;-) >=20 > Stefan / DK7FC >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (rly-dd01.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.148]) by air-dd06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD064-b5e4b1c2b46122; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 17:08:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD018-b5e4b1c2b46122; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 17:08:07 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHPG4-0006cG-Si for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:07:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHPG4-0006c7-FQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:07:12 +0000 Received: from mx40.mail.ru ([94.100.176.54]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHPG3-0000Wi-Lv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:07:12 +0000 Received: from [94.75.144.151] (port=64613 helo=[192.168.1.4]) by mx40.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NHPFx-000FzF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 01:07:05 +0300 Message-ID: <4B1C2AFB.4060504@mail.ru> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 01:06:51 +0300 From: Dmitry User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.8.1.23) Gecko/20090825 SeaMonkey/1.1.18 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: UA4WPF RA3YO Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070702080405000903000409" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------070702080405000903000409 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Laurence Also see on 137775.5 RN3AGC dfcw120 "AGC" 73 Dmitry RA3YO hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com wrote: > "Y" RA3YO readable dfcw 137778.05/.15 and "WPF" 137778.75/.85 Nice > and clear into Bohai Bay this early morning (its 0430 local) - > DCF39 sitting at S3 to S5, same for Budapest which is its normal > couple of dBs stronger. MSFSK type RTTY signal around 135.8 ish Khz is > S2. QRN is low, kicking up the meter to S3 occasionally. > > Im also seeing weak 2 min period transmissions on my 502.4 dial > spectrum out put and Ill keep my beady bloodshots on that too. > > Wheres the coffee... > > Still lower strength signals being somewhat offset my the very low QRN > levels. > > Laurence KL 1 X in BY3A OM89UA > Tanggu China > Temp PA0RDT probe on fishing pole, R75. > > Snappers on > http://kl1x.com/screen2.html E China > > http://kl1x.com/screen.html South Central Alaska > --------------070702080405000903000409 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Laurence

Also see on 137775.5 RN3AGC dfcw120  "AGC"

73
Dmitry
RA3YO

hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com wrote:
"Y" RA3YO readable dfcw 137778.05/.15 and "WPF"   137778.75/.85   Nice and clear into Bohai Bay this early morning  (its 0430 local)  -  DCF39 sitting at S3 to S5, same for Budapest which is its normal couple of dBs stronger. MSFSK type RTTY signal around 135.8 ish Khz is S2.  QRN is low, kicking up the meter to S3 occasionally.
 
Im also seeing weak 2 min period transmissions on my 502.4 dial spectrum out put and Ill keep my beady bloodshots on that too.
 
Wheres the coffee...
 
Still lower strength signals being somewhat offset my the very low QRN levels.
 
Laurence KL 1 X in BY3A OM89UA
Tanggu China
Temp PA0RDT probe on fishing pole, R75.
 
Snappers on
 
http://kl1x.com/screen.html  South Central Alaska
 

--------------070702080405000903000409-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (rly-dd02.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.149]) by air-dd01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD012-b614b25650f3b0; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:05:08 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD023-b614b25650f3b0; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:05:04 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJwWn-0001Ms-7H for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:02:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJwWm-0001Mj-PG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:02:56 +0000 Received: from mailout05.t-online.de ([194.25.134.82]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJwXO-0006t6-Em for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:03:36 +0000 Received: from fwd11.aul.t-online.de by mailout05.t-online.de with smtp id 1NJwXU-0003Cl-03; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:03:40 +0100 Received: from e7010 (V+UnM+ZLYhj+mYIjQXjSErn3D4wjNHnYDDD6jfE7AJQCcoQLtoa+hg3f+aKm6AYw54@[84.147.189.8]) by fwd11.aul.t-online.de with smtp id 1NJwXP-0FpxeC0; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:03:35 +0100 Message-ID: <000a01ca7c40$1ef0a900$6402a8c0@e7010> From: "Walter und Marianne Staubach" To: Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:03:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-ID: V+UnM+ZLYhj+mYIjQXjSErn3D4wjNHnYDDD6jfE7AJQCcoQLtoa+hg3f+aKm6AYw54 X-TOI-MSGID: 34a8767c-92b4-4929-9885-6f60a4985b51 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: DI2AG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7C48.8074D3B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7C48.8074D3B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear MF, sorry but I have the suspicion that high power disrupts my tele= fone system (ISDN), while DSL works fine. So now reduced power again= - 0.4W ERP. 73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7C48.8074D3B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear MF,
      = sorry but I=20 have the suspicion that high power disrupts my telefone system (ISDN),= while DSL=20 works fine. So now reduced power again - 0.4W ERP.
73   Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF
 
 
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Tue, 15 Dec 2009 06:01:02 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF124-5954b276c57143; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 06:00:43 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKV68-0001KN-77 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:57:44 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKV67-0001K6-DT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:57:43 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f211.google.com ([209.85.220.211]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKV7i-00028f-Nh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:59:24 +0000 Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so4398063fxm.4 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 02:59:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=oM9vwsyGcx8LDzgBhW9VpI7khcsH8yRPoMDV+igIpYE=; b=CoaqptrYLYohJGeUp0qdFxvrdU7b0JvH0bdAvst7mCQS33ncgMBmhy4jcbbdMINP+n dUH2kJy8VpfuYRhonBSZ0PHgf52HmX7g8H7RRaVV0vl5pJhnyVRPoUyUXtO4JKIWG157 EJPhCt8a9xI3+mARy8KHGqCtX/O3nIzrZzfKo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=tvTpyEvcapx/gmmzZE6kxyJeSLq7is37Gy3pUPghrRRoKnZ9Mxm57fS3HXB2vQPJbe bWJ0BWl3xO2Mq1VJjasb/AJb/rU3qNGpn5lyNkq/w0gSI4RjRDcPH25sn11kUsjGRoMe yUVwYcI8Wb1FdPJRFe2zPIwtSTfNOsHvrQciU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.145.133 with SMTP id s5mr623002hba.49.1260874755003; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 02:59:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC66@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> References: <4B250D02.733.14E9A34@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC66@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:59:14 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d257.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Comparing QRSS with visual intepretation cannot be compared directly with CW using Aural decoding - you have to normalise values. Your ears have an 'effective' bandwidth for CW of , probably, around 30Hz. Within this bandwidth, most experienced operators can hear a tone, at their optimum tone frequency of choice, at around 5 - 10dB S/N. But to decode CW reliably, this S/N has to be nearer 15dB. CW experience plays a big part here (Mal, - stay...........!!) Using QRSS, you can probably get reliable visual decoding at 10 - 15dB S/N in the dot bandwidth. For 20WPM CW, with a dot of say 50ms this corresponds to 20Hz ( 1/0.05s) which is near-enough to the 30Hz noise bandwidth assumed. So aural CW and visual QRSS are roughly equal in terms of RATE / BANDWIDTH. The QRSS advantage comes about since you are prepared to trade off message duration against bandwidth. This is basic information theory as mostly worked out by Shannon in 1948. If you normalise to a standard form of Bits/second/Hz (which become Bits / cycle and is rather more meaningful when using the old cycles per second terminology of Shannon's day) then CW QRSS, and inded the various Hell formats as well, are all roughly equal in signalling capability. ie about 1B/s/Hz at 10 to 10dB S/N Even SSB voice fall into about the same region since the ear/brain does a very good noise canceling job there as well. Remember that value - its pretty constant for 'human' modes (and the actual value very operator-experience dependent) [... I said 'Stay...." :-) ] And yes, if the path was stable for several years, and the ionosphere didn't move to give Doppler spreading on your signal, then dropping to QRSSSSS....SSSSSSSS 1000000000000 you could indeed communicate with VK using a nanowatt to a hairpin! But note those caveats - if the path was stable and ionosphere... It isn't. Alan G3NYK and others have studied 137 / 500 propagation anomalies and more-or-less come to the conclusion the stable period is only tens of minutes, if that. Which precludes any faster signalling than a few tenths of a bit per second. HOWEVER, and this is where the real future lies... If you throw away the concept of simple signalling, forget CW, QRSS etc, and use a properly designed multilevel waveform with heavy forward error correction and soft decoding then you WILL gain a real 10dB or so over simple on/off. Yes you really will. As an example take WSPR, which sends 72 bits of source information in 110 seconds, that's about 0.6B/s/Hz (0r 0.6Bits/cycle - I like that terminology !) . It can do that at -29dB S/N normalised it 2.5kHz - we know that, it is accurately measured and reported by the decoding software. Since the WSPR signalling bandwidth is 1.46Hz - the symbol rate, that -29dB at 2.5kHz increases by 32dB to +3dB. And that's completely error free I reckon decent FEC can add 6dB to the signalling efficiency of human mode= s. Open to arguments. See www.g4jnt/MartleSham.htm for a powerpoint presentation including some simulated CW in defined S/N and more vlaues / details Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police 2009/12/15 Stefan Sch=E4fer : > Dear LF, > > I have done some further thoughts/questions about the "gain" between the > qrss modes. > > If the "gain" or better said SNR between qrss30 and qrss3 is 10dB, so ca= n I > do a QSO to VK with 1W TX Power and an antenna efficiency of 1/1000 if= I > choose QRSS10000000000? That=92s a litte jokingly formulated but you kno= w what > I mean. In other words, where are the limitations of this rule? > > In CW I think that rule cannot be valid because a dot in CW (say 20wpm)= is > much shorter than 0,3s but to my experience the =93gain=94 compared to= qrss3 is > not even 10dB. Furthermore a PC must be seen as a source of QRM, especia= lly > when connected to the antenna system (e.g. for switching a tx relay with= the > qrs-programm) and RX (even when using a insulating transformer for the= AF), > and so it always brings a =93negative gain=94, even when one uses 10s of= ferrite > cores=85 > > And: I always thought of the energy "waste" when applying 1kW (before 6= yrs > when I became qrv with a much worse antenna) to the antenna and pumping > 999,9W into the earth. But when I need 10x the time in qrss30 to do the= qso > with 100W, the needed energy is the same (compared to 1kW in qrss3). So, > qsos could be done much faster if choosing 10x the power and stay in qrs= s3. > The additional advantage would be, if I try to do a TA QSO I could just= stay > in the region of 137.7 and those who are qrv in qrss3 and only watch the > qrss3-sector would get a nice signal and thus more fascination for the > LF-hobby (I often think about the LWLs watching my transmission when no= one > is answering my call ;-)). In sum, the needed energy (=3Dmoney) is the= same > but the needed time would be 10x less. > > Of course, there would be some problems like partial discharges due to= the > high voltage at the antenna and for 10kW the kitchen stove must be conne= cted > in parallel, that could cause QRM with the XYL... ;-) But generally it= would > be interesting!? > > What is the maximum power that is applied to an antenna yet? What have= you > heard yet? I have applied 1kW in a bad antenna (=3D> abt 100mW ERP), so= 10kW > would be possible when considering to stay in the legal limit. 10kW woul= d be > possible since one doesn't need a ferrite core that has to keep the powe= r > (in Class E mode). In USA it would be even more easy due to the fact tha= t > the 110V of the mains could just be rectified. Then I would take some > STW12NK90Z in parallel and a IXDD414 and try it with 15A antenna current= ;-) > > Sorry, but in that hobby it is really easy to become euphoric=85 > > > > 73 and hope for fine qsos for us J > > Stefan / DK7FC > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.17]) by air-da08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA082-86184b33c97c18c; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:05:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 196C538000098; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:05:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNtv4-0000vb-4N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:04:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNtv3-0000vS-Qe for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:04:21 +0000 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.11]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNtv0-0005Y0-Vk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:04:21 +0000 Received: from pppoe.dyn-67.220.40.74.hurontel.on.ca (pppoe.dyn-67.220.40.74.hurontel.on.ca [67.220.40.74]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD29217316 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:04:14 -0500 (EST) From: John Bruce McCreath Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:04:37 -0500 Message-Id: <9A92B37F-2F44-4D52-986A-43347DDA491C@hurontel.on.ca> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: LF: Merry Christmas! X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41114b33c97c4998 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello LFers, Wishing my LF friends across the pond a Merry Christmas from chilly but sn= ow free Saltford, Ontario, Canada! 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------=_NextPart_000_0003_01CA7976.D2CB4880-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (rly-mf05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.175]) by air-mf09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF093-95b4b1a3a7925e; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 05:48:42 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF051-95b4b1a3a7925e; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 05:48:27 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGsAo-0005kr-9y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 10:47:34 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGsAn-0005ki-Oh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 10:47:33 +0000 Received: from psmtp08.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.22]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGsAi-00043a-T5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 10:47:33 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp08.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KU6006W5DYW2X@psmtp08.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 11:47:20 +0100 (MET) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 11:47:21 +0100 From: henny van elst To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <5BBB0891CA1E410C94A0DBCAD16831DA@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <095730AD253E4F12BDDAFD8792A0CE5A@IBM7FFA209F07C> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: PA3CPM Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_pCaejQm4M/bTfigFUY085w)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_pCaejQm4M/bTfigFUY085w) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello Chris,LF The transmision was cpmcpmcpm,but it was interupted,so wath he saw was ok, henny pa3cpm best 73s ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris To: RSGB LF Group Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 10:09 AM Subject: LF: PA3CPM Thanks Henny! It seems the station who saw you must have made a mistake, although he seemed quite certain it was 'MCP'. Sorry for the confusion and thanks Andrey, you were right! Vy 73, Chris, G4AYT. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.94/2545 - Release Date: 12/04/09 19:34:00 --Boundary_(ID_pCaejQm4M/bTfigFUY085w) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Hello Chris,LF
The transmision was cpmcpmcpm,but it was interupted,so wath he saw was ok,
henny pa3cpm
best 73s
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 10:09 AM
Subject: LF: PA3CPM

Thanks Henny!
It seems the station who saw you must have made a mistake, although he seemed quite certain it was 'MCP'. Sorry for the confusion and thanks Andrey, you were right!
Vy 73, Chris, G4AYT.


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Possibly...at 2:30 this afternoon I heard a G3 (not Mal) and an RA4 calling CQ on 160....amazing condx. 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autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: T/A [137kHz] WD2XKO visible now Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello LF , Very good copy of "XKO" now , visible on my grabber ! 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (rly-mb03.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.161]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB044-cf84b38807d2bf; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 04:55:13 -0500 Received: from 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Andrey,LF, Tu for the grabber Andrey,it is my first test with the ropex transmitter and a synth. the power is 175 watt,and the antenne is a sloper 14 meter with two toploads 10 meter, best 73s and hny Henny pa3cpm. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 9:04 AM Subject: LF: CPM, WX 28/12 > Hello Henny, Uwe, LF, > capture last night: > CPM at 2.20 > WX at 2.50 > > 73 Andrey > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.430 / Virus Database: 270.14.121/2589 - Release Date: 12/27/09 09:18:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.148]) by air-db05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB051-85f14b38e216105; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:51:34 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BDA0738000153; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:51:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPInQ-000660-Fn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:50:16 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPInP-00065r-W8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:50:16 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPInO-00044l-6S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:50:15 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D7B51C002 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:50:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE33B31E702 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:50:04 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 1518618056; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:50:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from 253.7-180-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (253.7-180-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [91.180.7.253]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:50:04 +0100 Message-ID: <20091228175004.z90hw4yyw0gg8cwc@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:50:04 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AD0B@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AD0B@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 91.180.7.253 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: AW: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40944b38e215562a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Stefan, the problem with "big" antennas for RX is that they overload the =20 receiver and cause IMD effects. Most harmfull is 3rd order IMD and the =20 good thing with an attenuator between antenna and RX is that for every =20 dB attenuation the 3rd order IMD is reduced by 3dB. Therfor you may =20 want to increase attenuation as long as the external noise level is a =20 bit stronger (let's say 3 to 6dB) than the internal (RX) noise level. As long as this is the case the attenuator will not affect the overal =20 RX sensivitity (although you will get little or no s-meter reading), =20 but IMD behaviour will improve by 100dB or more. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Stefan Sch=E4fer : > Hi Rik! > Tnx for your explanations. So, perhaps my RX SNR could even be =20 > increased by more attenuation, that would be fine. > I thought the most of us using a separate RX antenna, like the =20 > PA0RDT design or a receiving loop. But now it sounds, that some are =20 > using the TX ant? > Another question: If you say that there has just to be a little =20 > difference in the noise between connected and disconnected antenna, =20 > I think you mean, that the difference has to be as small as =20 > possible? Because, the case that there is a difference, occurs at =20 > all attenuation levels from 0 dB to a maximum, say 60db. So 0 dB =20 > would also fulfill this statement, of course. But if the difference =20 > should be as small as possible, what about the internal noise of the =20 > RX system? Is the part of this internal noise in that case not to =20 > much relevant? Or in other words, doesn't it decrease the SNR, if =20 > the part of the received signal is small compared to the RX-internal =20 > noise? I thought, the level of the received signal should be as =20 > HIGH as possible, so that the input stage is just not overdriven!? > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =20 > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe > Gesendet: Montag, 28. Dezember 2009 15:23 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: Re: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna > > Hello Stefan, > > there is a easy way to check if you have too much attenuation or not: > Tune the RX to an unused freq (only noise/QRN) and disconnect the > antenna; if you can hear the difference between antenna / no antenna > then attenuation is not too much. > With a 11m high / 25m long lazy-L antenna at a quiet location I could > add 40dB attenuation and still hear the noise increasing when > connecting the antenna. > I guess with a kite-antenna 50 to 60dB might be a good value. > Of course it all depends also on the RX used, I use a Kenwood TS440 > that seems to be sensitive at LF. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.19]) by air-ma10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA104-b5474b2d6464159; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:40:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 11068380000AF; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:40:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NM8pO-00040G-Ar for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 23:35:14 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NM8pN-000407-Us for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 23:35:13 +0000 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NM8tY-0007Ln-7E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 23:39:34 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArgEAOLyLEtOlqyh/2dsb2JhbACIX8p6hC4E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,425,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="238207006" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([78.150.172.161]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2009 23:39:25 +0000 Message-ID: <001b01ca8104$7fa25dc0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <002801ca80dc$639db200$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <57a24ca70912191323q42dc08acr75fcd0cef89cea5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 23:39:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: HOT 500 RX Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60134b2d646457a7 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 YES EC 958 vy good on LF and MF with the 400 hz filter and an ext DSP unit. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" To: Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:23 PM Subject: Re: LF: HOT 500 RX Mal, Isn't that RX really an Eddystone 958 with a Hagenuk label ? -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 1:52 PM, mal hamilton wrote: > Using a marine RX Haghenuk EE 430 at present 10 kcs - 30 mcs. Hot RX on > 500 kcs > de G3KEV > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc10.mx.aol.com (rly-mc10.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.94]) by air-mc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC013-d9d4b339f12103; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:04:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC105-d9d4b339f12103; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:04:20 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNr5U-0000Lq-5E for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 17:02:56 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNr5T-0000Lh-FX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 17:02:55 +0000 Received: from smtp821.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.250]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNr5R-00031w-2t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 17:02:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 67674 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2009 17:02:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Importance:In-Reply-To; b=NCNAQfSoFqMaxPmyDS3W1p24M0uEHXYAi6GKwQQfASAIO6w1tvDij+MygLNrjJJAJJXdcxxAXuRHHMzl3qFYMKfefi6QTSPRpQ1x1avh7iIq0EgAECfYte4lwOzPvEZPKep7HfGj2B1dMjY7p3afiqTla1xyAyqn0kgg+Ey212Y= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@86.134.205.105 with login) by smtp821.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2009 17:02:45 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: JSvqNSWswBBXc9Mk_Vd71RtGz2bViJtuZMADdmi78eLqBj_R7.fL X-YMail-OSG: QUiWzkMVM1mtbLL9V3CdRLcYgXIjUYlUz_az4P7gsz8HG8SF3I5pqoNDwJjFWijJwML2IcwdnZ9N9BrTavKMS1mVH994IvR5q1.VaC35dN_hENWzWAb3Ov4_mrdAHqOlQCIlJP48CH69DSmz7drawb1_RCoz8e_hpGORF5BbENh6DIExOBbIhVS.PGhtMSQImlkfgM4Oq8mNS1Jf0WaXvSdxztDPdhP06CjLb6v4iGmr6cE_QNV.D1a1LEQe5lijOFJMQcnZg.EUGdUsG0JcXKWt0.M.KEE4QpSTXHPKrTBFWW2IN9UQFSVKqy3qiv94U5dzbz3aTE8- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 17:03:09 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <252809.11526.qm@web28505.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: OH1TN calling CQ Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA84BA.F86A73F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA84BA.F86A73F0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000F_01CA84BA.F86BFA90" ------=_NextPart_001_000F_01CA84BA.F86BFA90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OH1TN "M" copy here on 137,725 kHz at 1636z. See attached screenshot. Mike G3XDV was calling CQ at rhe same time ;-) Antenna =3D 1.2m tuned loop 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E. England -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Chris Osborn Sent: 21 December 2009 17:31 To: LF Group Subject: LF: OH1TN calling CQ LF, OH1TN has been calling CQ for hours on 137.7 kHz DFCW(3). Has anyone still got their LF gear? 73 Chris G3XIZ ------=_NextPart_001_000F_01CA84BA.F86BFA90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OH1TN=20 "M" copy here on 137,725 kHz at 1636z. See attached=20 screenshot.
 
Mike=20 G3XDV was calling CQ at rhe same time ;-)
 
Antenna =3D 1.2m tuned loop
 
73,=20 Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E. England
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Chris= =20 Osborn
Sent: 21 December 2009 17:31
To: LF=20 Group
Subject: LF: OH1TN calling CQ

LF,

OH1TN has been calling CQ for hours on 137.7 kHz DFCW(3).
Has=20 anyone still got their LF gear?

73 Chris G3XIZ

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Received: from rly-df05.mx.aol.com (rly-df05.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.18]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF071-5524b1adb3d386; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:14:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF057-5524b1adb3d386; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:14:22 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NH2sG-0008Ku-1E for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:13:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NH2sF-0008Kl-9k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:13:07 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NH2sE-0005Lr-Nz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:13:07 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by 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<001a01ca758f$b9fba3d0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> <20091205214737.ab07d9ds00s44sso@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b90912051338t266765a3x2233faf64025e6a7@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b90912051338t266765a3x2233faf64025e6a7@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 91.176.65.2 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz RTTY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Gary, I am a bit fuzzed why the CQ call in CW had to be 200Hz from the =20 frequency you and Gary were on. There was plenty of free space up and =20 down the band. A bit later the CW caller got a reply, but could hardly copy that =20 station. Although both stations were solid copy here, despite the =20 strong RTTY signals. I ended up "multitasking": reading the CW signals by ear and at the =20 same time reading the RTTY on the screen ... Today I picked up a SAIT MT430B marine TX. I haven't tested it yet but =20 if it is still operational it could be converted into a good linear =20 400W TX for 500kHz. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > Hi Rik, > > Thanks for your report & comments. > > I enjoyed the QSO with Graham, I could also hear the CW you mention. > > Cheers, > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > 2009/12/5 Rik Strobbe =20 > > > Gary, Grahem, > > I followed your RTTY QSO (+/- 20:40 UTC) with almost perfect copy =20 > from both station. > Even after a CW station started calling CQ about 200Hz up copy was =20 > still good. RTTY 45dB/85Hz seems quite robust. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da01.mx.aol.com (rly-da01.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.75]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA033-a4c4b2d0ac21a1; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:18:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA014-a4c4b2d0ac21a1; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:17:56 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NM2rT-0002NH-F3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:12:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NM2rS-0002N7-Vl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:12:58 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NM2um-0003ER-MS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:16:27 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so2862674bwz.4 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 09:17:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=L6US2AanK8FZGeds5425GA5Gr40uFE9n6nHSPakz/qk=; b=rTSJHW8JCozcrbVtDN89iAMSoh8n6AQMe3Oi+vb6S9SGsolz7lfE088amJOwVRG0JJ YHlLtfbskcCiYaMgLMxNmTE6Q9yWOIsZ69YEiMOSjQGDWQQoYTZE3zfF+GXGAbptuoDe w23n7KzQSMEjh/ZdHe4ix0xsmDAG1tVhpW1oo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=EU7kSBSzQFxHAF5FX4nXrk35efwE6nmi9fRvYCRQwb7XKbaPiSeu3zG79pGTTILtrf Co40OYh+FfoQfi1pjzghlhWmm1fuQv1Yd6UkQu0D9NoHpTBxJoN+08Z/2wD3Yhm9n0bP oDyxmDSkVT62GCEKEUS0SRBz142LWzPr07QaY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.24.69 with SMTP id u5mr3349868bkb.1.1261243019104; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 09:16:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <002501ca80cc$2df97f90$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <346854e9698cbf94f4483c66682bb63b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <001e01ca80b0$392cb0b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <002501ca80cc$2df97f90$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:16:59 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2640912190916g2eaed7e3o920b6eca5fcfd48b@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555476621120a047b1806b8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d285.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555476621120a047b1806b8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Total *tosh* Mal. You clearly don't understand how E-probe antennas work. 73s and happy Christmas Roger G3XBM 2009/12/19 mal hamilton > I said recently that the wire connecting these type of mini antennas is in > fact the antenna. It was the same with the Partridge Joy stick of > yesteryears, the long connecting wire to the small loading coil was doing > most of the work. > There is no substitute for a real resonant antenna at the working > frequency. > G3KEV > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 1:36 PM > Subject: LF: Re: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals > > > > >I think the role of the ground with active whips is often neglected - > the > output of the whip preamp > > >is the voltage differential between the whip element and the circuit > ground, so the ground > > >connection is just as much part of the antenna as the whip element > itself > is. > > > > That's an important point that is often overlooked or ignored. A mini > whip > mounted up at 5 meters is > > a 5 meter antenna. You can easily prove this by mounting it at ground > zero > on top of a ground > > screen. Been there, done that. > > > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR > > > > > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555476621120a047b1806b8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Total tosh Mal.=A0 You clearly don't understand how E-pr= obe antennas work.

73s and happy Christmas

Roger G3XBM
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2009/12/19 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.n= et>
I said recently= that the wire connecting these type of mini antennas is in
fact the antenna. It was the same with the Partridge Joy stick of
yesteryears, the long connecting wire to the small loading coil was doing<= br> most of the work.
There is no substitute for a real resonant antenna at the working frequenc= y.
G3KEV


----- Original Message -----
From: <jrusgrove@comcast.net>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 1:36 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signal= s


> >I think the role of the ground with active whips is often neglect= ed - the
output of the whip preamp
> >is the voltage differential between the whip element and the circ= uit
ground, so the ground
> >connection is just as much part of the antenna as the whip elemen= t itself
is.
>
> That's an important point that is often overlooked or ignored. A= mini whip
mounted up at 5 meters is
> a 5 meter antenna. You can easily prove this by mounting it at ground= zero
on top of a ground
> screen. Been there, done that.
>
> Jay W1VD =A0WD2XNS =A0WE2XGR
>
>





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--00032555476621120a047b1806b8-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (rly-mg10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.116]) by air-mg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG023-a3c4b2779012aa; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 06:54:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG106-a3c4b2779012aa; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 06:54:42 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKVwe-0002XC-UP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:52:00 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKVwe-0002X3-9x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:52:00 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s1.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.12]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKVyH-0002d7-GU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:53:42 +0000 Received: from BLU146-W33 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s1.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:53:33 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [60.27.206.155] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 02:53:33 -0900 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4B276A85.6060003@inext.at> References: <4B26CFC2.20402@inext.at> ,<4B276A85.6060003@inext.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2009 11:53:33.0811 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A6D5C30:01CA7D7D] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_16fa429c-988a-4d57-89a0-fae711017b93_" Subject: LF: BY3A Ops OSsi - X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --_16fa429c-988a-4d57-89a0-fae711017b93_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_b1bbfe5c-43f4-407d-ad63-4f6c255bef01_" --_b1bbfe5c-43f4-407d-ad63-4f6c255bef01_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think this was about the best Ossi =3D note there is a carrier running= on this freq too from somewhere - but it doesnt appear to be anything on= my present Loran harmonic list. =20 thanks for the signals =20 ps DCF 39 is just audible to my untrained ears :-) here at 1152Z which is= a good omen. =20 =20 regards Laurence KL 1X in By3A =20 =20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/=3D --_b1bbfe5c-43f4-407d-ad63-4f6c255bef01_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think this was about the best Ossi =3D note there is a carrier running= on this freq too from somewhere - but it doesnt appear to be an= ything on my present Loran harmonic list.
 
thanks for the signals
 
ps DCF 39 is just audible to my untrained ears :-)  here at 1152Z whi= ch is a good omen.
 
 
regards
Laurence KL 1X in By3A
 
 

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<6949F910A2A945058B164FC3443B420B@JimPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: Tnx fer Xmas day QSO G3KEV es XIZ; HNY to all. 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Hi Mal es Chris tnx fer nice Xmas morning QSOs.
 
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=20 --0-1141413642-1261746683=:98380-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb11.mx.aol.com (rly-mb11.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.169]) by air-mb06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB061-d3b4b22337d4d; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 06:57:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb11.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB117-d3b4b22337d4d; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 06:56:54 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ3yK-00067Z-3E for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:47:44 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ3yG-00067Q-W1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:47:41 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ3yC-0007aI-6n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:47:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 24225 invoked by uid 507); 11 Dec 2009 12:47:22 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2009 12:47:22 +0100 Message-ID: <200912111247270955.0605E519@smtp2.numeo.fr> In-Reply-To: <4B21CA48.8060108@telus.net> References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <20091210100700.32DEC31E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <1260444821.6353.65.camel@vaio3rd> <1260449921.6353.77.camel@vaio3rd> <4B21CA48.8060108@telus.net> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:47:27 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AW: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Scott, You summed it up nicely. LF radio is full of surprises. Long may it cont= inue. 73 John F5VLF *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 11/12/2009 at 04:27 Scott Tilley wrote: >Hi Rick > >Please try for a time before and during my sunrise. You may be=20 >surprises. Very good LF condx right now. > >73 Scott > > >Rick Wakatori wrote: >> Hi Laurence and the others, >> OKay. I will operate QRSS60 at 137780Hz as long as possible on 13th >> December. My antenna at there will be much suitable than usual. >> 73, Rick >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da05.mx.aol.com (rly-da05.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.79]) by air-da02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA024-a6d4b2b48cf342; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 04:18:14 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA055-a6d4b2b48cf342; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 04:18:09 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLYtp-0007tt-5j for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:13:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLYto-0007tk-Oa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:13:24 +0000 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLYwW-00029R-5u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:16:14 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiMFALPWKktOl0v9/2dsb2JhbACIX8wxhC0E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,417,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="214212150" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([78.151.75.253]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2009 09:16:23 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01ca7fc2$c666f6a0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <1542517694@web.de> <6F962616C1CC4C1B844AF099CB1BB55D@lindavideo> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:16:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Radio Amateurs BEWARE - Appliance Operators DO NOT TOUCH G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken" To: Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 10:43 AM Subject: LF: Re: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals > Optical fibres are fine for transmission and remove all the problems of > interference and cross talk at a stroke, but please be careful and observe > optical safety precautions when using lasers and other light sources. I > worked on optical systems for many years during my time with BT, and optical > safety took priority over every thing else. All optical fibres need to have > a perfect cleave on the ends, and the connectors be absolutely clean, if > you are not launching into an optical connector then alignment will be a > problem, similarly at the receive end. > > > 73. > Ken > > M0KHW > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Horst Stcker" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:01 AM > Subject: LF: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals > > > In theory it's a good Idea which I had some weeks before without working it > out. > > Years before I also have made tests with FTA (free to air) optical > transmissions with a DL2CH-Transceiver and a TRX-Kit by Aatis which is quite > much simpler. > Even with that it was no problem to link between two points about a few > meters. > > In this case you should think about an IR-LED. Unfortunately, the Aatis > receiver has a photo transistor instead of a diode. But it should be no > great deal to modify that. > > The problems with FTA optic transmission for this application are imho: > - You have to be sure, that no one can be injured by the laser beam, > especially at unattended operation. > - Think about how many hours/the beam has it's full power before becoming > much weaker. > - The optics must be kept clean. This could be a problem if the units are > out of reach. > - The units have to be mounted absolutely stable. For Example, on a swinging > fibre rod you'll never bring a laser beam exactly to the rx area. > > I bet, (FTA) optical transmission just changes one problem with a few > others. > > But the transmission with optical cable seems interesting. > > What type of cable do you suggest? I do not think, my TOS-Link cable would > stand weather/UV and mechanical conditions outside for a long time. > > Horst DO1KHS > ___________________________________________________________ > Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate fr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! > http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.208]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF031-5eea4b3b7317ff; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 10:34:47 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E3A9C38000199; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 10:34:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQ0Y8-0002VA-Uo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 15:33:24 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQ0Y8-0002V1-EK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 15:33:24 +0000 Received: from smtp816.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.245]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQ0Y6-0006oj-3r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 15:33:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 16851 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2009 15:33:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Importance:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE; b=OXuwr9sjHcWNZPnBOlKgcqwjf2P09lxLFliqo5IgHs4Kr1eotyIe1+shQ68kQTzP4if6wgd58Id65EqJOePCtJb91V7N15JPb73BwmYBeEbaJ2sL1tZbXMb4M15FJnNew0dceaKEOMGPGU+DsccZmVeeSHn+jg5SGV5WjQC0/NY= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@81.157.27.142 with login) by smtp816.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2009 15:33:15 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: JSvqNSWswBBXc9Mk_Vd71RtGz2bViJtuZMADdmi78eLqBj_R7.fL X-YMail-OSG: IqTKME0VM1l3cyZSmlb0.TUPAtG7qKFHZwxBC6gZEsCFRXV5ZDHqTDkZwS7nYaLNodguQRUXCkYS6SMIm5rWuOPHU9bbp3pukvhlBFOGZXfvsCku.oU6KV_lyoQKGnv2SGvHo_BlYAqAW2vB7zBawiFdDNwMR.J5d1Lgr7g5K0BVfv9vMAwEmF6wHQF5u4FrFF02PfNnvGpMLLgzzbEFphLV6Xgfz2tYunPa59uPWLE6pXq.C5dU0zwCYECJ7erf X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 15:33:38 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4AD8E1A5.3050400@inext.at> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: OE5ODL - report Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01CA8965.74F55DA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d04b3b73151d7f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CA8965.74F55DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ossi, LF, Screen shots of OE5ODL testing on 137,710 at 1347 UTC this afternoon. 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15:37:34 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:37:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B1689B9.30157.24374D@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <2FF5BE0915484B3EB86B7B946032FA80@IBM7FFA209F07C> References: <2FF5BE0915484B3EB86B7B946032FA80@IBM7FFA209F07C> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=gi0k4NwgEcWQgOn1qUcA:9 a=rYIVzu-6TwZcI6W4oZVIL13Wz9AA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G3XDV Test or Beacon Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Chris, Yes, I can repeat the exercise tonight. Weather permitting (it's raining heavily here now) I will transmit my call in QRSS3 on 136.318kHz from around 1800 to 2100UTC. 73 de Mike ========= > Are you planning any tests or beaconing this evening? Three of us > found your signal last evening most useful for comparitive equipment > and antenna set ups. We would all like you to do it again! It's not > often we get such a reliable, consistent and strong signal for such > puposes. Thanks. Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (rly-dg01.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.85]) by air-dg07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG074-5a04b1c1806e7; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:46:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG015-5a04b1c1806e7; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:46:00 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHNyQ-00068j-D5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:44:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHNyP-00068a-U2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:44:53 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHNyP-0000Bu-8b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:44:53 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B4AE7B802A for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 21:44:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A5AF3862 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 21:44:43 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id D3AF218056; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 21:44:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from 225.107-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (225.107-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.242.107.225]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:44:43 +0100 Message-ID: <20091206214443.uaqrb36tcwgogso8@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:44:43 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <1260128134.2455.23.camel@gerhard-desktop> In-Reply-To: <1260128134.2455.23.camel@gerhard-desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.242.107.225 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Question to Antenna Experts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Gerhard, my 2 penny worth: You are the first one I hear complaining about a to low antenna resistance= ;-) 30 Ohm is a very good value at 137 kHz (I was strugling with 130-170 Ohm). From this 30 Ohm only a fraction is radiation resistance, 99% or more =20 is loss in the loading coil and ground. So the lower the better. You mention a 2,2mH loading coil that represents a reactance of about =20 1900 Ohm at 137kHz. With a Q of 200 (what is very good) the loss in =20 the coil is just less than 10 Ohm, leaving a remarkable low 20 Ohm =20 groundloss. Very promissing for 137kHz ! The best way to match the 30 Ohm to 50 Ohm is a 1 to 1,3 transformer =20 at the antenna feeding point. Regarding the currents you measure: indeed, with 2 A into 30 Ohm from =20 a 50W TX you have a perpetuum mobile of the first kind, so something =20 is wrong. Some possibilities: - the meter itself picks up HF (the small coil inside), causing a far =20 to large deflection - if small voltage are rectified the diode loss cannot be neglected, =20 certainly not with a Si diode: 1Veff RF will produce only 0.3 Vdc The double DC voltage will be produced by 1.3Veff RF, not by 2Veff. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Gerhard Hickl : > Hello folks! > > As some of you may have noticed, I became active on LF. My TX makes > about 50W at 13,8V and the Antenna is a Marconi with multiple topload > wires. > > Basically it consists of two 12m Fiber poles in a distance of abt. 50m > (North to South). After about 20m from the feeding point, a 20m wire is > connected in a nearly right angle. The end of this wire is in about 10m > height to a tree. From the 2nd pole, a wire of 25m leads back to the > roof of the house in an acute angle. End is also abt. 10m above ground. > The end of both wires are at least 10m away from the tree and the roof > to avoid losses due high voltage. > > The wire diameter is 3mm in the vertical section (11m) and 0,8mm for the > first 20m, where the right angled wire diverges. From there all other > wires are 0,6mm. The cable to the shack is RG58 abt. 25m long. > > The feeding point is behind the house and the loading coil is about > 2,2mH made with insulated 3mm copper-wire wound on a plastic flower-pot > of abt. 45cm diameter. It is placed on the roof of the a little shed. > > I use "Mini-VNA" to measure this antenna and I added a picture of todays > measurement. As you can see, the SWR is abt. 1,8 at best because Z=3D ab= t. > 30. > > I built a current transformer to measure the antenna current and > calibrated it with the dummy. I have 140V p-p on the 50R and this is > should produce a current of 1A. I used a Iron-Powder core, primary one > turn, secondary is 14 turns and it shows a voltage of 1V after > rectifying. Now, that I have it outside on the feeding point, it shows > 2V which would means 2A....Thant seems a little bit high to me. Where > does this error come from? I want to optimize the antenna regarding > Impedance because it's only abt. 30R instead of 50R. Where should I > start? More wires in the ground? Does this reduce Impedance or not? More > topload? Thicker wires? > > You see, a lot of questions from somebody who is new to LF. > > Thank everybody who will take the time an read this long mail in > advance. > > Best regards es 73 > > OE3GHB > > Gerhard > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb07.mx.aol.com (rly-mb07.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.165]) by air-mb06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB063-d1a4b3729ac380; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 04:32:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB076-d1a4b3729ac380; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 04:32:29 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOpTG-0001Vo-V7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 09:31:30 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOpTG-0001Vf-44 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 09:31:30 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOpTE-0005qz-3M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 09:31:30 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 27 Dec 2009 09:31:21 -0000 Received: from p5DD35F1A.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.211.95.26] by mail.gmx.net (mp018) with SMTP; 27 Dec 2009 10:31:21 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+yXwtVHIuyD08dJ+fs28Y9ZIRdrs1uoi7OFeKzvm bZQxIXvRUmABaq Message-ID: <00a101ca86d7$5998fed0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <20091226.144128.11516.4.cw4ever4@juno.com> <007601ca86d3$2b3670d0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:31:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.46,0.45 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beacon & WSPR 2.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009D_01CA86DF.B8C7A0C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_009D_01CA86DF.B8C7A0C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit LF, Sorry,my last email (see also below) was not intended to be sent to the list, but to DF6MK. I would not post in German language on an anglophone reflector although I've noticed great tolerance on this list in this respect. Anyway,I've also noted the <...> decodes a few times while spotting WD2XSH/17 and was a bit surprised,too, but then correct decodes took place. It seems that WSPR2.0 still cannot write callsigns like WD2XSH/17 into the blue window in the upper right corner of the WSPR window. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Clemens Paul To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 10:01 AM Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beacon & WSPR 2.0 Hallo Werner, genau die zitierte Passage aus dem untenstehen Txt traf bei mir ein paar Mal auch zu. >It takes two, 2 minute transmissions to send >the full call, grid, and power. You may see decodes that look like > <...> followed by the grid and/or power. WSPR has not decoded the call >yet but only the second part of the complete message. With a marginal >signal and fades, this may be all you will get. I don't know how long it >stores the second half (or the first half) of the message to splice it 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert H Reif To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 8:41 PM Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beacon & WSPR 2.0 Hello, Graham, Rik, and All, Joe K1JT was kind enough to modify the WSPR program to accommodate our long calls with the /. It takes two, 2 minute transmissions to send the full call, grid, and power. You may see decodes that look like <...> followed by the grid and/or power. WSPR has not decoded the call yet but only the second part of the complete message. With a marginal signal and fades, this may be all you will get. I don't know how long it stores the second half (or the first half) of the message to splice it together. Joe also added the CW ID feature to version 2.0 which is required by our experimental license. He has been very supportive of our 600 meter efforts. The set up here is 100 watts to a wire, 35 ft inverted L with two top loading wires each about 100 ft long. I am really surprised (and pleased) to get across with this setup. I am inland from the coast and the path to Eu is over land till the path goes over salt water off the coast of New Brunswick, Canada. Want to raise the antenna a bit more and increase the top loading but that may not happen till spring now. 73 and Happy New Year. Bob WD2XSH/37 FN42fo On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:34:15 +0100 Rik Strobbe writes: > Graham, Rick, Bob, > > I guess that when the CW id of a WSPR station is audible there > should > be solid copy in WSPR. > But, as mentioned by Bob, WSPR 2.0 was used to transmit the unusual > > WD2XSH/37 callsign. I noticed that older version of WSPR do not copy > > this properly, even when the signal is strong. > I have been running WSPR2 and WSPR1.1 simultaniously for some days > > (the first spotting as ON7YD the other as OR7T) and noticed that > WD2XSH/37 produced all kinds of odd messages with WSPR1.1. WSPR2 > decodes OK. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting Graham : > > > Rick, > > > > Looks like wd2x .. was the station .. you can check what > stations are > > operating at : http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/spots > > > > 2009-12-24 03:38 WD2XSH/37 0.503912 -26 0 FN42fo 2 > ON7YD > > JO20ix 5615 52 > > > > G.. > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Rick Wakatori" <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> > > Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 10:39 AM > > To: > > Subject: LF: "WA" beacon received at 503kHz. > > > >> > >> Using WSPR, I heard "WA" beacon in CW or QRSS at around 503kHz. > >> The signal was visible on the screen during last night. > >> Please let me know the callsign and the QTH? > >> Rick > >> -- > >> -.. . --... .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-. > >> 7L1RLL under ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP) > >> URL=http://www1.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html > >> -..--- -.- .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-... ...-. > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=yi9iW2lTPi_FlJuAPbZNdQAAJ1D5rfaR-77IPsUFbn2LcZ2XAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. 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LF,
 
Sorry,my last email (see also be= low) was not=20 intended to be sent to the list, but to
DF6MK.
I would not post in German langu= age on an=20 anglophone reflector although
I've noticed great tolerance on this= list in this=20 respect. 
 
Anyway,I've also noted the  <...> decodes a few times= =20 while
spotting WD2XSH/17 and was a bit surprised,too,
but then correct decodes took place.
It seems that WSPR2.0 still cannot write callsigns like WD2XSH/17=  into=20 the
blue window in the upper right corner of the WSPR window.&nb= sp;
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 20= 09 10:01=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beacon= & WSPR=20 2.0

Hallo Werner,
 
genau die zitierte Passage aus dem= untenstehen=20 Txt traf bei mir
ein paar  Mal auch zu.<= /DIV>
 
 >It takes two, 2 minute transmissions to send
>t= he full=20 call, grid, and power.  You may see decodes  that look=20 like
>  <...> followed by the grid and/or power.&nb= sp; WSPR=20 has not decoded the call
>yet but only the second part of the= complete=20 message. With a marginal
>signal and fades, this may be all yo= u will=20 get.  I don't know how long it
>stores the second half (o= r the=20 first half) of the message to splice it
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rob= ert H Reif=20
Sent: Saturday, December 26= , 2009 8:41=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beaco= n & WSPR=20 2.0

Hello, Graham, Rik, and=20 All,
       Joe K1JT was kind eno= ugh to=20 modify the WSPR program to accommodate
our long calls with the= /. =20 It takes two, 2 minute transmissions to send
the full call, gri= d, and=20 power.  You may see decodes  that look like
<...&g= t;=20 followed by the grid and/or power.  WSPR has not decoded the= =20 call
yet but only the second part of the complete message. With= a=20 marginal
signal and fades, this may be all you will get. = I don't=20 know how long it
stores the second half (or the first half) of= the=20 message to splice it
together.  Joe also added the = CW ID=20 feature to version 2.0 which is
required by our experimental=20 license.  He has been very supportive of our
600 meter=20 efforts. 
     The set up here is 100= watts to=20 a  wire, 35 ft inverted L with two
top loading wires each= about 100=20 ft  long.  I am really surprised (and
pleased) to get= across=20 with this setup.  I am inland from the coast and
the path= to Eu is=20 over land till the path goes over salt water off the
coast of= New=20 Brunswick, Canada.  Want to raise the antenna a bit more=20 and
increase the top loading but that may not happen till sprin= g=20 now. 
     73 and Happy New Year.&nbs= p;=20 Bob  WD2XSH/37  FN42fo



On Sat, 26 Dec 20= 09=20 18:34:15 +0100 Rik Strobbe
<Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>=20 writes:
> Graham, Rick, Bob,
>
> I guess that= when the CW=20 id of a WSPR station is audible there
> should 
&g= t; be=20 solid copy in WSPR.
> But, as mentioned by Bob, WSPR 2.0 was= used to=20 transmit the unusual 
>
> WD2XSH/37 callsign.= I noticed=20 that older version of WSPR do not copy
> 
> thi= s=20 properly, even when the signal is strong.
> I have been runn= ing WSPR2=20 and WSPR1.1 simultaniously for some days 
>
>= (the first=20 spotting as ON7YD the other as OR7T) and noticed that 
&g= t;=20 WD2XSH/37 produced all kinds of odd messages with WSPR1.1. WSPR2&n= bsp;=20
> decodes OK.
>
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T>=20
> Quoting Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>:
>=20
> > Rick,
> >
> > Looks like  wd2= x=20 ..   was the  station .. you  can  check= what=20
> stations are
> > operating at :  http://wsprnet.org/d= rupal/wsprnet/spots
>=20 >
> > 2009-12-24 03:38   WD2XSH/37 &nbs= p;=20 0.503912   -26   0   FN42fo &nb= sp;=20 2  
> ON7YD
> > JO20ix  =20 5615   52
> >
> > G..
> >
= > >=20 --------------------------------------------------
> > Fr= om: "Rick=20 Wakatori" <7= l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp>
>=20 > Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 10:39 AM
> > To:= <rsgb_lf_gro= up@blacksheep.org>
>=20 > Subject: LF: "WA" beacon received at 503kHz.
> >
= >=20 >>
> >> Using WSPR, I heard "WA" beacon in CW or= QRSS at=20 around 503kHz.
> >> The signal was visible on the scre= en during=20 last night.
> >> Please let me know the callsign and= the=20 QTH?
> >> Rick
> >> --
> >> -.= . . =20 --...  .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-.
> >> 7L1RLL= under=20 ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP)
> >>=20 URL=3Dhttp://www1.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html
> >&= gt; -..---=20 -.- .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-... ...-.
> >>
>= =20 >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >>=20 >
>
>
>
>
>=20
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------=_NextPart_000_009D_01CA86DF.B8C7A0C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (rly-mb01.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.154]) by air-mb08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB084-ce54b1bd4e63aa; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:59:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB011-ce54b1bd4e63aa; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:59:35 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHJV8-00051m-NN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:58:22 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHJV8-00051d-4P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:58:22 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHJV6-0000lT-8y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:58:22 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 06 Dec 2009 15:58:13 -0000 Received: from p5DD352B5.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.211.82.181] by mail.gmx.net (mp037) with SMTP; 06 Dec 2009 16:58:13 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+PxtFdOOGPfgTocao0y08DciSAUMmUvXz7CxaxRq ulz8nvMbR10wVQ Message-ID: <007601ca768c$ea8c4240$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <1259777260.4b16acec27aa8@imp.netikka.net> <4B179D08.3030706@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 16:58:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.52 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: LF, reducing common-mode noise Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Peter, with the AIM 4170 you've got one of the best impedance measuring tools which are affordable for amateurs. I can this tell you from my own hands-on experience, also in comparison with a professional albeit vintage HP VNA from 100kHz to 110Mz. Meanwhile I'm using here also the "two port brother" of AIM,the VNA 2180. Regarding common mode "chokes",the AIM will show you, that when you use high cores (zinc-mangan), the "choke" converts to a more or less highly resistive impedance with a small capacitive reactance above its self-resonant frequency. The point is that this frequency is surprisingly low,often below 100kHz,of course strongly depending on the properties of the used ferrite mix and the number of turns. Generally one can distinguish between three types of common mode "chokes". 1.) "Chokes" made of lossy very high cores or beads which represent a resistive impedance from MW to 30MHz.Their advantage is that they are broadbanded due to their resisitive character and therefore have no series (or parallel which would not hurt) resonances in this frequency area. 2.)True chokes made of say 125 material.You can design them such that the self resonant frequency is at about 15MHz so that the impedance drops gradually to the lower (inductive) and higher (capacitive) end of the HF spectrum. 3.) Tuned "chokes" i.e. parallel resonant circuits.They offer the highest possible impedance but are confined to one band. So one can make his choice which solution fits best for the intended application. Anyway, the AIM always tells you over frequency what you are doing. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Dodd" To: Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 12:12 PM Subject: LF: LF, reducing common-mode noise >A couple of weeks ago I asked how can one measure the mu of ferrite > rings. I received very good information via this reflector for which I > would like to thank those who contributed. > I was experimenting with various common-mode chokes, particularly on how > to measure their characteristics using the AIM 4170. > I was advised that the capacitance of the measuring setup might make the > measurements invalid. I introduced various values of capacitance to > measure these effects and by extrapolation concluded that my measurement > method was acceptable. > Inserting large values of capacitance across the common mode choke > destroyed its characteristic as a choke and turned it into a selective > tuned circuit. This arrangement appears to reduce common-mode noise at > the frequency to which it is tuned but is only effective at that > frequency. The main advantage is that you don't need such large values > of inductance. > > Regards > > Peter, G3LDO > > > > > > Paul-Henrik wrote: >> Hello Stefan, LF >> >> I can not overemphasize the possible need to keep the feedline "clean" and free >> of RFI that may otherwise make it's way to any active whip antenna. >> >> My first attempts at deploying the PA0RDT Mini-Whip here were unsuccessful and >> disappointing due to the fact that some of the RFI I tried to avoid was >> conducted from the shack out to the antenna along the coax. This may among >> other things depend on what kind of radio the antenna is connected to. >> >> If in doubt, my advice is to use one common mode choke where the coax leaves the >> house and to ground the coax braid just behind it using an independent >> earth-stake and then further a second common-mode choke just before the >> feedline goes vertically up to the antenna. >> >> For common mode chokes I use large high-mu ferrite rings that can take 20 turns >> of RG-58 or up to 45 turns of RG-174 but smaller rings can be used with RG-174. >> There is a picture here of the first test-choke I used for tracking down my >> noise: http://peditio.net/utility/Attachments/choke_sml.jpg >> >> This may be "overkill" in most installations but I'm sure some users can gain >> from these extra measures just as I did. >> >> >> >> BR >> >> Paul-Henrik, OH1LSQ >> >> >> >> >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.709 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.90/2540 - Ausgabedatum: 12/02/09 08:33:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (rly-dc07.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.36]) by air-dc05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC054-b2e4b363b4b239; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:35:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC072-b2e4b363b4b239; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:35:25 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOZa4-0005XT-IW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 16:33:28 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOZa4-0005XK-2c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 16:33:28 +0000 Received: from mail-yw0-f190.google.com ([209.85.211.190]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOZa2-00057u-1l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 16:33:28 +0000 Received: by ywh28 with SMTP id 28so14015502ywh.16 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 08:33:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=O2qO4S53FY4eStBcbUZvNf/uRHbjczZ3QVE/BXrcykc=; b=l+hHYxe7KBDmaAcyr20oYT9E1W0Bjkn6TRVDX+thtOJA6yu2nFMKjuXLarDZ0ssHer rn+65tYBNyBuGxTakWRZdtgC9wWObwa1yPn9s+jUlVCk0nd1W46uBlDJtd2YX9m9HvN+ ZkfCuWYIDQU+EnyTjLd+6JeITSwDCa1AHwCYo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=S3IAbGGisuJy+Kpj+KZPA82HbvDFd/DSk0taqeP1+ksREBe1AptgGzPZHnbZN2GRva SoERVixKHBqjp9fpq4yY8kIftjPtLO3xtprVd4hCj+zk/G4qUuZyXq06GLTEWnNgTh1U vO2Jansagd61KnCKV8kHOvI1oxRm9T1/sC5hM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.213.18 with SMTP id l18mr20277860ybg.183.1261845199904; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 08:33:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6EFC885C8DAB4DC3A8454505BAF5D3A7@ns94d01ae4d850> References: <6EFC885C8DAB4DC3A8454505BAF5D3A7@ns94d01ae4d850> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:33:19 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca70912260833m32749cbfhf332f44817cb0ddc@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 26-12.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d276.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Thank you Henny, --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2009/12/26 henny van elst : > Hello Warren,LF > Capture XGJ=A0=A0 22:45 -=A008:45 loc.time > Henny cpm > best 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > XGJ 26-12.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virusse= n > het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. > Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten= hoe > bijlagen worden afgehandeld. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf03.mx.aol.com (rly-mf03.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.173]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF081-94f4b33c7471db; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 14:56:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF035-94f4b33c7471db; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 14:55:53 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNtlY-0000oN-Fx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:54:32 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNtlY-0000oE-3b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:54:32 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNtlW-0003oi-4y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:54:32 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsQEAB5WM0tOlC+4/2dsb2JhbACNVwbHaoQzBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,451,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="379314966" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.148.47.184]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2009 19:54:22 +0000 Message-ID: <001201ca84d2$e151bf30$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:54:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: OH1TN Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA84D2.E0B6DEC0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA84D2.E0B6DEC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In the beginning I worked OH1TN on CW all the time on 137 kcs. Now ton= ite he is active on QRS and he cannot copy me with the same pwr as bef= ore when using CW.=20 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA84D2.E0B6DEC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In the beginning I worked OH1TN on CW= all the time=20 on 137 kcs. Now tonite he is active on QRS and he cannot copy me with= the same=20 pwr as before when using CW.
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------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA84D2.E0B6DEC0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb08.mx.aol.com (rly-mb08.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.166]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB054-d234b1f5c1b1bb; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 03:13:39 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB087-d234b1f5c1b1bb; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 03:13:22 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIHek-0008UZ-NN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:12:18 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIHek-0008UP-6K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:12:18 +0000 Received: from sighthound.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.126]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIHei-0005id-Ed for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:12:18 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.4] (rx1.twatt.home [192.168.1.4]) by deerhound.twatt.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D5B3B4C7 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:12:13 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4B1F5BDD.1070209@sighthound.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:12:13 +0000 From: John P-G User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001e01ca7824$2a1fbfc0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <001e01ca7824$2a1fbfc0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Beacons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) mal hamilton wrote: > Several beacons observed at present 1600 utc, one strange one is WC WC http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/index.php?mode=signal_info&ID=9485 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc12.mx.aol.com (rly-mc12.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.96]) by air-mc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC041-dab4b36705a2f1; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ok Bob And there was I thinking wspr was making false decodes .. yes I have seen the <....> I thought that was part of the wspr qso mode ....I have decoded the full tx a few times .. so dose that mean I have captured -two- transmissions from you ? I would think (based on past experience) that it would of been better to go the other way with a shorter tx pulse containing all the data as the 30 second in and 120 second out qsb times are not idea for wspr at the best of times ? Interesting Ae .. that layout is similar to my set up, but my top wires are 60 feet shorter, but with a loading coil at the top of the vertical section >> http://uk500khz.googlegroups.com/web/Coke%20coil%20%3A-%29 << Q what is the rx set up ? 73 - G.. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert H Reif" Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 7:41 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beacon & WSPR 2.0 > > Hello, Graham, Rik, and All, > Joe K1JT was kind enough to modify the WSPR program to accommodate > our long calls with the /. It takes two, 2 minute transmissions to send > the full call, grid, and power. You may see decodes that look like > <...> followed by the grid and/or power. WSPR has not decoded the call > yet but only the second part of the complete message. With a marginal > signal and fades, this may be all you will get. I don't know how long it > stores the second half (or the first half) of the message to splice it > together. Joe also added the CW ID feature to version 2.0 which is > required by our experimental license. He has been very supportive of our > 600 meter efforts. > The set up here is 100 watts to a wire, 35 ft inverted L with two > top loading wires each about 100 ft long. I am really surprised (and > pleased) to get across with this setup. I am inland from the coast and > the path to Eu is over land till the path goes over salt water off the > coast of New Brunswick, Canada. Want to raise the antenna a bit more and > increase the top loading but that may not happen till spring now. > 73 and Happy New Year. Bob WD2XSH/37 FN42fo > > > > On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:34:15 +0100 Rik Strobbe > writes: >> Graham, Rick, Bob, >> >> I guess that when the CW id of a WSPR station is audible there >> should >> be solid copy in WSPR. >> But, as mentioned by Bob, WSPR 2.0 was used to transmit the unusual >> >> WD2XSH/37 callsign. I noticed that older version of WSPR do not copy >> >> this properly, even when the signal is strong. >> I have been running WSPR2 and WSPR1.1 simultaniously for some days >> >> (the first spotting as ON7YD the other as OR7T) and noticed that >> WD2XSH/37 produced all kinds of odd messages with WSPR1.1. WSPR2 >> decodes OK. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> Quoting Graham : >> >> > Rick, >> > >> > Looks like wd2x .. was the station .. you can check what >> stations are >> > operating at : http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/spots >> > >> > 2009-12-24 03:38 WD2XSH/37 0.503912 -26 0 FN42fo 2 >> ON7YD >> > JO20ix 5615 52 >> > >> > G.. >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------- >> > From: "Rick Wakatori" <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> >> > Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 10:39 AM >> > To: >> > Subject: LF: "WA" beacon received at 503kHz. >> > >> >> >> >> Using WSPR, I heard "WA" beacon in CW or QRSS at around 503kHz. >> >> The signal was visible on the screen during last night. >> >> Please let me know the callsign and the QTH? >> >> Rick >> >> -- >> >> -.. . --... .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-. >> >> 7L1RLL under ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP) >> >> URL=http://www1.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html >> >> -..--- -.- .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-... ...-. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> > ____________________________________________________________ > Weight Loss Program > Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=yi9iW2lTPi_FlJuAPbZNdQAAJ1D5rfaR-77IPsUFbn2LcZ2XAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD021-9204b33b6cb26a; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:45:37 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD088-9204b33b6cb26a; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:45:33 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNsg2-0000YD-4k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:44:46 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNsg1-0000Y4-OS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:44:45 +0000 Received: from mail-yx0-f203.google.com ([209.85.210.203]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNsg0-0003Ut-MG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:44:45 +0000 Received: by yxe41 with SMTP id 41so27786145yxe.30 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:44:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=SFRLZpOmF4+kYcSjfv+XsjrJXcbXKAc2LoA2vUNFS4k=; b=C0tL5d+CHYJrB05IrkpehmqF88X03azzA6DZmWC0OHNAmJSKgdGEcs8GhJdw67TRnk pgnrJlKGe7mLJR/xPd3nf5B7lJ/Tg7syTKUDBb/cCbuS86BAQDt7+vsECzvVhYI1oqRS tu7lqhyPeFCE+m3cC38mEZvTYDbFNPVly3tKg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=N4fCPeVFKVzhxSxr8NSU6GiHWNWU3YFL5RuajXdrnReZwjkf8V82XdtbTKrt4VYTAM qfDDjc85SRjSTigXmHmkHGRF13OcFWm4IMbBvAxUNoE7hnVlmHlYuOBrsu/eYl8Qj7If pbeI24tNIV9c4zhWKNG/L96IlvuDA8ZSeglJ8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.118.37 with SMTP id q37mr16937496ybc.322.1261680276049; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:44:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4C88B57B7396460391EA789B5C0CEAAC@ns94d01ae4d850> References: <4C88B57B7396460391EA789B5C0CEAAC@ns94d01ae4d850> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:44:36 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca70912241044r729085a5mdffcafda460e85bc@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 24-12.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d281.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Henny, Many thanks for the capture! Merry Christmas! -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2009/12/24 henny van elst : > Hi Warren,LF > Nice capture XGJ > Henny cpm > best 73 > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > XGJ 24-12.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen > het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. > Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe > bijlagen worden afgehandeld. -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db01.mx.aol.com (rly-db01.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.76]) by air-db03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB033-aa84b29f3b2318; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 04:02:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB016-aa84b29f3b2318; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 04:02:44 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLCCF-0000rd-Hn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:58:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLCCF-0000rU-5N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:58:55 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate04.web.de ([217.72.192.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLCET-0002cA-D4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:01:15 +0000 Received: from web.de by fmmailgate04.web.de (Postfix) with SMTP id EEE686238910 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:01:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from [88.76.49.138] by freemailng2505.web.de with HTTP; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:01:34 +0100 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:01:34 +0100 Message-Id: <1542517694@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?iso-8859-15?Q?Horst_St=F6cker?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-Provags-Id: V01U2FsdGVkX19XgKnmCbBESNhH8ti74xCkCnhlDuJ6fq0eGpgSfJVE3p1oK ixYJ+L6FB6mWjgBMrTfrRxYgCcRE+3Hd1oKoRLMWpVtHUCWW3ASQ7gQ41+0a Q== X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) In theory it's a good Idea which I had some weeks before without working= it out. Years before I also have made tests with FTA (free to air) optical transmi= ssions with a DL2CH-Transceiver and a TRX-Kit by Aatis which is quite much= simpler. Even with that it was no problem to link between two points about a few me= ters. In this case you should think about an IR-LED. Unfortunately, the Aatis re= ceiver has a photo transistor instead of a diode. But it should be no grea= t deal to modify that. The problems with FTA optic transmission for this application are imho: - You have to be sure, that no one can be injured by the laser beam, espec= ially at unattended operation. - Think about how many hours/the beam has it's full power before becoming= much weaker. - The optics must be kept clean. This could be a problem if the units are= out of reach. - The units have to be mounted absolutely stable. For Example, on a swingi= ng fibre rod you'll never bring a laser beam exactly to the rx area. I bet, (FTA) optical transmission just changes one problem with a few othe= rs. But the transmission with optical cable seems interesting. What type of cable do you suggest? I do not think, my TOS-Link cable would= stand weather/UV and mechanical conditions outside for a long time. Horst DO1KHS ___________________________________________________________ Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.!=20 http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de07.mx.aol.com (rly-de07.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.143]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE043-4ec4b19b52ca7; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 20:19:59 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE075-4ec4b19b52ca7; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 20:19:41 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGjIJ-0003z0-7Q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 01:18:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGjII-0003yr-JR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 01:18:42 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGjIH-0000C4-Rj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 01:18:42 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 05 Dec 2009 01:18:35 -0000 Received: from p5DC43D4D.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.196.61.77] by mail.gmx.net (mp071) with SMTP; 05 Dec 2009 02:18:35 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/Myzt9BqbMd7KsPxEI9oxPkQs33sBkbizDrMpikR /wqTZjk6ke0SO+ Message-ID: <00aa01ca7548$de12ce70$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <59DC6AF25071476FA37B42E3896BC627@radiorummet> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 02:17:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.57,0.57 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0094_01CA7551.0C10AA60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=BEEN_TURNED_DOWN,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0094_01CA7551.0C10AA60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi GUs, see below: 2118 8 0.4 136.151499 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2138 9 0.6 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2144 8 0.7 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2218 7 0.6 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2222 8 0.7 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2226 9 0.8 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 As my internert connection has been broken during the last hours no data upload has taken place. Probably a few loggings are missing because I had to use my dipole for receiving whis is periodically disturbed when our heater is is on. My K9AY has been turned down this late afternoon by our three months old labrador 'Luke'. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Gus To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:55 PM Subject: LF: WSPR on 137 kHz Hello LF-group, this evening i will transmit, WSPR on 137.650 kHz 136.150 kHz dial. Power abt 50 mW ERP. Transmitter start at 16:00 GMT All reports are welcome. You can also log on, www.sm6bhz.com 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.709 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.93/2544 - Ausgabedatum: 12/04/09 08:32:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0094_01CA7551.0C10AA60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi GUs,
 
see below:
 
2118   8  0.4 136.1514= 99  0=20 SM6BHZ JO57 17
2138   9  0.6 136.151500  0 SM6B= HZ JO57=20 17
2144   8  0.7 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ JO57=20 17
2218   7  0.6 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ JO57=20 17
2222   8  0.7 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ JO57=20 17
2226   9  0.8 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ JO57=20 17
 
As my internert connection has been= =20 broken during the last hours no data upload
has taken place.
Probably a few loggings are missing= because=20 I had to use my dipole for
receiving whis is periodically distur= bed when=20 our heater is is on.
My K9AY has been turned down this lat= e afternoon by=20 our three months old
labrador 'Luke'.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
 
 
 
 
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gus=
Sent: Friday, December 04, 20= 09 4:55=20 PM
Subject: LF: WSPR on 137 kHz<= /DIV>

Hello=20 LF-group,
this=20 evening i will transmit, WSPR on 137.650 kHz 136.150 kHz dial. Power abt 50 mW ERP.=
= Transmitter=20 start at 16:00 GMT
All=20 reports are welcome.
You can also log on,=20
 
73= de Gus=20 SM6BHZ


Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei.
Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft= - www.avg.de
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F5VLF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da09.mx.aol.com (rly-da09.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.83]) by air-da05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA054-a904b27fde6367; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:22:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA098-a904b27fde6367; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:21:43 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKemr-0001ti-Fz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:18:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKemr-0001tZ-3u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:18:29 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKeoN-0008R7-2M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:20:05 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3507.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D903D70000CF for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:20:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3507.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id CC42170000E2 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:20:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.58.216]) by mwinf3507.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 33BC470000CF for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:20:09 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20091215212009212.33BC470000CF@mwinf3507.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <28E30F96FE754DB5B117179FDF03920A@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:19:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007F_01CA7DCC.54D16590" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01CA7DCC.54D16590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is Gus running 3 watts to the Ae or 3 watts ERP ? G ..=20 From: Anton B=E4rtschi=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 7:13 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9 The SM6BHZ Beacon on 600m is 579 here tonight. Not bad for 3W.=20 Why WSPR when CW works fine? What a wonderfull band! 73 de Toni, HB9ASB ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01CA7DCC.54D16590 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is Gus  running  3 watts&nb= sp; to=20 the  Ae or  3 watts  ERP ?
 
G ..

Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 7:13 PM
Subject: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9

The SM6BHZ Beacon on 600m is 579 here tonight. Not bad= for 3W.=20
Why WSPR when CW works fine? What a wonderfull band!
73 de Toni= ,=20 HB9ASB


------=_NextPart_000_007F_01CA7DCC.54D16590-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da08.mx.aol.com (rly-da08.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.82]) by air-da05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA054-a854b20c888265; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:08:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA085-a854b20c888265; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:08:09 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIfvT-000134-Ld for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:07:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIfvT-00012v-8E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:07:11 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIfvS-0001jq-JS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:07:11 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37A3B7B802A for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:07:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32DEC31E703 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:07:00 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:07:22 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20091210100700.32DEC31E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AW: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Stefan, there is one good reason to limit the output=20 power 100W: more power could become lethal (high antenna voltages / curren= ts). The "black box operators" must be protected=20 against this danger, otherwise they might go QRT due to "natural selection= " :-) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 10:19 10/12/2009, you wrote: >Warren, LF, >Tnx for the info! >I am not "afraid" that now many OMs come on the=20 >band who just bought their rig, like on HF. Even=20 >if you could buy a loading coil, you never will=20 >get qrv satisfactorily cause you always have to=20 >consider many things like the earth, the local=20 >noise reduction, the impedance transformation to 50 Ohm and so on. >These OMs, even if they could buy a automatic=20 >tuner (that would not be easy to create as a=20 >commercial product) for LF, would be frustrated=20 >soon cause there are no contests and no 100s of=20 >stns calling on the band ;-) They would say "LF=20 >is dead, just nerving qrm" and would never get=20 >the fascination that we all experience. >Finally I don't understand why this PA has just=20 >100W. To reach 1W ERP, most LFers have to apply=20 >1kW and more, so 100W is QRP on LF ;-). 1kW can=20 >easily be reached on LF without using expensive=20 >special transistors and drivers and ferrite=20 >cores. E.g. with one simple IRFP360 we can built=20 >a 1kW high efficiency calss d or e PA that costs not even 50=80... >These difficulties to get qrv is one part of the=20 >LF hobby and if they are solved, one can be glad=20 >even without doing 100s of qsos in one evening :-) > >Stefan / DK7FC >-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Warren Ziegler >Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. Dezember 2009 16:30 >An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Betreff: LF: TX-2200A > >Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 >Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver >muting. >Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! > >http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf > > > >73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da05.mx.aol.com (rly-da05.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.79]) by air-da04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA042-a6a4b1c1df41e4; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 16:11:57 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA052-a6a4b1c1df41e4; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 16:11:17 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHON1-0006N5-Iw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:10:19 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHON0-0006Mw-Ij for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:10:18 +0000 Received: from mout7.freenet.de ([195.4.92.97]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHOMz-0002SB-Es for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:10:18 +0000 Received: from [195.4.92.20] (helo=10.mx.freenet.de) by mout7.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.70 #1) id 1NHOMy-0001q3-Pf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:10:16 +0100 Received: from p57af0460.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([87.175.4.96]:1298 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 10.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #94) id 1NHOMx-0002hc-FA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:10:16 +0100 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: References: <42030EE58BDD4FA78C88635B91BDFB78@2a2d7ed321c6425> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 22:10:13 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: Acp2sT0bWo0OTHAdQb6QzaMBNemEewABw6Ig X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: AW: Re: Unser QSO auf 137,7 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0047_01CA76C0.E2EC0F00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01CA76C0.E2EC0F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hallo Toni, =20 besten Dank f=FCr Deine Best=E4tigung! Und auch nochmals besten dank f=FCr das usb QSO. =20 Hpe cuagn und vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D =20 =20 _____ =20 Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Anton B=E4r= tschi Gesendet: Sonntag, 6. Dezember 2009 21:16 An: Beckmann, Gerhard; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: Re: Unser QSO auf 137,7 =20 Hallo Gerhard Sorry f=FCr die versp=E4tete Antwort, alle deine Posts sind in meinem Spam-Ordner gelandet. Unser QSO hat wunderbar geklappt und du bist in meinem Log. Dein Signa= l war gut lesbar, absolut "O"!=20 Meine Antenne ist etwa gleich, nur die Leistung h=F6her: 500W bis 1KW= je nach Anpassung. Vielen Dank f=FCr das QSO und 73 aus der Westschweiz de Toni HB9ASB in JN36NU Anton B=E4rtschi Les fermes 24 1792 Cordast Schweiz 2009/12/3 Beckmann, Gerhard =20 Hallo Toni, =20 =85falls die Mail nicht durchgekommen war=85. =20 Besten Dank f=FCr ein kurzes Lebenszeichen. =20 vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D =20 =20 _____ =20 Von: Beckmann, Gerhard [mailto:beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de]=20 Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Dezember 2009 22:01 An: 'Beckmann, Gerhard'; 'Anton B=E4rtschi' Betreff: AW: Unser QSO auf 137,7 =20 Hallo Toni, =20 nur eine kurze Frage: Hattest Du mein Signal lesen k=F6nnen oder war es eine Verwechslung meinerseits? =20 Besten Dank + vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 =20 =20 _____ =20 Von: Beckmann, Gerhard [mailto:beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de]=20 Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. November 2009 23:06 An: 'Anton B=E4rtschi' Betreff: Unser QSO auf 137,7 =20 Hallo Toni, =20 besten Dank f=FCr das ufb QSO auf 137,72 in QRSS3! Mein Rig: TX: Ropex mit ca. 100 Watt. RX: TS 440 S Antenne: endgespeister Draht mit 40 Meter L=E4nge und ca. 10 Meter H= =F6he. (sehr schlechte l=F6sung f=FCr LF ---hi--) =20 vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI =20 =3D=3D=3D =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01CA76C0.E2EC0F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hallo Toni,

 

besten Dank f= =FCr Deine Best=E4tigung!

Und auch nochm= als besten dank f=FCr das usb QSO.

 

Hpe cuagn und= vy 73 de Gerhard=A0 //=A0 DK6NI

 

=3D=3D=3D=3D

 

 <= o:p>

Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] Im Auftrag von Anton B=E4rtschi
Gesendet: Sonntag, 6.= Dezember 2009 21:16
An: Beckmann, Gerhard; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: LF: Re: Unser= QSO auf 137,7

 

Hallo Gerhard
Sorry f=FCr die versp=E4tete Antwort, alle deine Posts sind in meinem= Spam-Ordner gelandet.
Unser QSO hat wunderbar geklappt und du bist in meinem Log. Dein Signa= l war gut lesbar, absolut "O"!
Meine Antenne ist etwa gleich, nur die Leistung h=F6her: 500W bis 1KW= je nach Anpassung.
Vielen Dank f=FCr das QSO und 73 aus der Westschweiz
de Toni HB9ASB in JN36NU

Anton B=E4rtschi
Les fermes 24
1792 Cordast
Schweiz

2009/12/3 Beckmann, Gerhard <beckmann.erlang= en@freenet.de>

 

Hallo Toni,

 

…falls die Mail= nicht durchgekommen war….

 

Besten Dank f=FCr ein= kurzes Lebenszeichen.

 

vy 73 de Gerhard = // DK6NI

 

=3D=3D=3D=3D

 

 

Von: Beckmann, Gerhard [mailto:beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 1.= Dezember 2009 22:01
An: 'Beckmann, Gerhard'= ; 'Anton B=E4rtschi'
Betreff: AW: Unser QSO= auf 137,7

 

Hallo Toni,

 

nur eine kurze Frage:<= /span>

Hattest Du mein Signal= lesen k=F6nnen oder war es eine Verwechslung meinerseits?

 

Besten Dank + vy 73 de= Gerhard  //  DK6NI

 

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

 

 

Von: Beckmann, Gerhard [mailto:beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 29.= November 2009 23:06
An: 'Anton B=E4rtschi'<= br> Betreff: Unser QSO auf= 137,7

 

<= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family: Arial'>Hallo Toni,

 

besten Dank f=FCr das ufb QSO auf 137,72 in QRSS3!

Mein Rig:

TX:<= /font> Ropex mit ca. 100 Watt.

RX: TS 440 S

Antenne:= endgespeister Draht mit 40 Meter L=E4nge und ca. 10 Meter H=F6he.

        =       (sehr schlechte l=F6sung f=FCr LF ---hi--)

 

vy 73 de Gerhard  //  DK6NI

 

=3D=3D=3D

 

 

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0047_01CA76C0.E2EC0F00-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da05.mx.aol.com (rly-da05.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.79]) by air-da04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA043-a6b4b2969f434a; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:15:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA053-a6b4b2969f434a; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:15:01 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NL31m-00034s-VF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:11:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NL31m-00034j-IA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:11:30 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NL33n-0008FU-Pg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:13:38 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBGNDu2l018567 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:13:56 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:13:56 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:13:58 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB6@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <4B29567F.9080106@usa.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: DD7PC, tnx for test Thread-Index: Acp+moVsvmm5lwgCRlWlM6CKcmX/rwAClqgg From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.626;16.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.16.230319 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA7EA5.70B619F3" Subject: LF: DD7PC, tnx for test X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7EA5.70B619F3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01CA7EA5.70B619F3" ------_=_NextPart_002_01CA7EA5.70B619F3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tnx Marco, my first QRSS3 (RX) contact out of the noisy city... Seems to= be promising... =20 73, Stefan ------_=_NextPart_002_01CA7EA5.70B619F3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= Tnx Marco, my fi= rst QRSS3 (RX) contact out of the noisy city… Seems to be promising…

 

73, Stef= an

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(envelope-from ) id 1NKJgZ-0006Kk-3a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:46:37 +0000 Received: from [213.174.255.39] by mx01.infotech.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKJgY-00072y-2J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:46:34 +0100 Message-ID: <4B26C035.5070504@inext.at> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:46:13 +0100 From: Oberreiter Oswald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <20091210100700.32DEC31E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <1260444821.6353.65.camel@vaio3rd> <1260449921.6353.77.camel@vaio3rd> <200912141851290399.0E3514C6@smtp2.numeo.fr> <4B26B383.8010500@mail.ru> In-Reply-To: <4B26B383.8010500@mail.ru> X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_08=2.435,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: oe5odl in BY Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010905080307000107020003" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_BODY,UPPERCASE_25_50,WEIRD_QUOTING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --------------010905080307000107020003 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi Dimitry also 25 min later a few tracts are visible i think its curious 73 ossi oe5odl Dmitry schrieb: > Hi LF > > Possible OE5ODL on BY3A grabber > > Dmitry > RA3YO > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 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 also 25  min later a few  tracts are visible i think its curious
73 ossi oe5odl
Dmitry schrieb:
Hi LF

Possible OE5ODL on BY3A grabber

Dmitry
RA3YO


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In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Importance: Normal DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA7E96.70EACA30" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA7E96.70EACA30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, Stefan. This is very interesting. I have a MiniWhip on a pole some distance from the house, and it seems that most of the interference (ADSL hash) seems to be re-radiated by the coax outer and picked up by the antenna. A relatively short optical link of one or two metres may still reduce the pick-up, as it would break the "copper" connection to the antenna. Alternatively, it might be possible to transvert the amplified LF signal up to a vhf frequency and then set up a remote RX some distance away. You could switch the power on and off by using a pressure switch from a discarded washing machine connected to the shack by a lenght of 6mm plastic tubing. Apply slight positive pressure to turn on the antenna circuitry! 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E. England. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Stefan Schfer Sent: 16 December 2009 16:51 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Dear Lowfers, I want to start a new subject (for me it's new)... The last weeks I still had RX problems, either with the tx antenna or with the short E-flied RX antenna. I found out that the noise was/is generated by my notebook which made RXing difficult, even in regions without any else local QRM (what could almost bring me to shut down the PC and just do nice and easy CW QSOs without anything else! (but most traffic is in QRSS...)). Then I have done mni tests with many many ferrite cores (that I found in an older emc lab in our institute), e.g. 20x FT50-77 plus 20x FT50-43 plus 20x FT50-61 and e few others. I placed them all in series, partly in the near of the preamp and/or in the near of the RX. Sure, there was a significant reduction of noise but lastly the noise remains. Accidentally, during a test with my VFO connected to the same 12V supply of my preamp, I observed a strong line in the argo monitor EVEN without an antenna (short wire) connected to the VFO and when turned the amplitude to zero! That meant for me, the VFO and its supply is not suppressed enough and so some RF comes to the preamp by the coax and supply line! (the preamp is supplied by a battery). I thought, I can use this (normally unwanted) coupling path to test the blocking capability of the ferrite cores and so I tried it with all variations and later with an additional BIG ferrite core and many turns of RG174. As I meant, surely there is a significant noise reduction but the line in argo was still well visible! What I have done then (since 4 days) is using a coupling link by an optic transmission of the 137kHz signal between the preamp and my RX using a SFH750V as the TX Diode and a SFH350 as the RX and abt 20m of a fiber optic cable (yes, there are surely more suited components but these were available in the moment). These are also used as optic links into high end audio systems and therefore easy to get... Now, when placing the preamp on the same place then during the tests before and just changing the coax by the fiber optic cable, the line by the VFO was completely gone!! Just with an antenna connected to the VFO and high amplitude (and thus e real near-field connection) it came back. The overall noise level decreased to its absolute minimum during all the tests. Before I used this optic cable the only signal that could be received (out of the city with much much qrm) was DCF39 and DLF and so on. Now, DCF39 came out with much better SNR and I saw the first LF Stn at all, it was Ossi / OE5ODL transmitting his 5s in the evening (tnx! very nice SNR in QRSS3 mode). My conclusion is, that the qrm is always brought to the very sensitive E-field antenna by the coax, even when doing many usual suppression methods cause there always remains a residual coupling impedance between both sides of the cable. Furthermore a long coax cable, say 20m away from the shack carries some qrm to the near of the rx antenna so the effective distance to the shack is always reduced. One small disadvantage of this method is the need for a battery supply. My TX diode needs abt 20mA and is now working since 3 days with a 7AH Lead Acid battery. In the future I plan to use a stereo optic cable. Then, one could switch the preamp on and off by the seconds line doing it the opposite way. So, smaller batteries could be used, which is necessary when mounting the preamp to a shaky fiber mast if one does not want to change the batteries each few hours ;-) Signal distortion seems to be no problem, as I can confirm until now. Now, my K2 has an optical LF input! ;-) Perhaps this will give some ideas to the local qrm bothered stns who tried everything with ferrite cores, isolating transformers and so on without a satisfying result. NOTE: I do not know if anyone has tried this before and has written a publication about that. My goal is not to be the hero in inventions, to become popular and especially not to compete with anyone (like it seems to be usual in career/job to be the one who gets the pay rise) but just to share my ideas to those who are interested to try something new (?). I do not say that my solution is the best at all and so on! But, if it will help only one Lowfer getting new ideas and improving his station, and if this improvement results in more activity on the band, then it would have helped all of us! 73s es 55 de Stefan / DK7FC ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA7E96.70EACA30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,=20 Stefan.
 
This=20 is very interesting. I have a MiniWhip on a pole some distance from th= e house,=20 and it seems that most of the interference (ADSL hash) seems to be re-= radiated=20 by the coax outer and picked up by the antenna.
 
A=20 relatively short optical link of one or two metres may still reduce th= e pick-up,=20 as it would break the "copper" connection to the antenna.
 
Alternatively, it might be possible to transvert the amp= lified LF signal=20 up to a vhf frequency and then set up a remote RX some distance=20 away.
 
You=20 could switch the power on and off by using a pressure switch from a di= scarded=20 washing machine connected to the shack by a lenght of 6mm plastic= tubing.=20 Apply slight positive pressure to turn on the antenna=20 circuitry!
 
73,=20 Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E. England. 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Stefa= n=20 Sch=E4fer
Sent: 16 December 2009 16:51
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Noise cancelling= by using=20 optic transmission of RX signals

Dear Lowfe= rs,

I want to=20 start a new subject (for me it's new)...

The last=20 weeks I still had RX problems, either with the tx antenna or with th= e short=20 E-flied RX antenna.

I found=20 out that the noise was/is generated by my notebook which made RXing= difficult,=20 even in regions without any else local QRM (what could almost bring= me to shut=20 down the PC and just do nice and easy CW QSOs without anything else!= (but most=20 traffic is in QRSS...)).

Then I=20 have done mni tests with many many ferrite cores (that I found in an= older emc=20 lab in our institute), e.g. 20x FT50-77 plus 20x FT50-43 plus 20x FT= 50-61 and=20 e few others. I placed them all in series, partly in the near of the= preamp=20 and/or in the near of the RX. Sure, there was a significant reductio= n of noise=20 but lastly the noise remains.

Accidentally, during=20 a test with my VFO connected to the same 12V supply of my preamp, I= observed a=20 strong line in the argo monitor EVEN without an antenna (short wire)= connected=20 to the VFO and when turned the amplitude to zero! That meant for me,= the VFO=20 and its supply is not suppressed enough and so some RF comes to the= preamp by=20 the coax and supply line! (the preamp is supplied by a battery). I= thought, I=20 can use this (normally unwanted) coupling path to test the blocking= capability=20 of the ferrite cores and so I tried it with all variations and later= with an=20 additional BIG ferrite core and many turns of RG174. As I meant, sur= ely there=20 is a significant noise reduction but the line in argo was still well= =20 visible!

What I=20 have done then (since 4 days) is using a coupling link by an optic= =20 transmission of the 137kHz signal between the preamp and my RX using= a SFH750V=20 as the TX Diode and a SFH350=20 as the RX and abt 20m of a fiber optic cable (yes, there are surely= more=20 suited components but these were available in the moment). These are= also used=20 as optic links into high end audio systems and therefore easy to=20 get...

Now, when=20 placing the preamp on the same place then during the tests before an= d just=20 changing the coax by the fiber optic cable, the line by the VFO was= completely=20 gone!! Just with an antenna connected to the VFO and high amplitude= (and thus=20 e real near-field =93connection=94) it came back. The overall noise= level=20 decreased to its absolute minimum during all the tests.

Before I=20 used this optic cable the only signal that could be received (out of= the city=20 with much much qrm) was DCF39 and DLF and so on. Now, DCF39 came out= with much=20 better SNR and I saw the first LF Stn at all, it was Ossi / OE5ODL= =20 transmitting his 5s in the evening (tnx! very nice SNR in QRSS3=20 mode).

My=20 conclusion is, that the qrm is always brought to the very sensitive= E-field=20 antenna by the coax, even when doing many usual suppression methods= cause=20 there always remains a residual coupling impedance between both side= s of the=20 cable. Furthermore a long coax cable, say 20m away from the shack ca= rries some=20 qrm to the near of the rx antenna so the effective distance to the= shack is=20 always reduced.

One small=20 disadvantage of this method is the need for a battery supply. My TX= diode=20 needs abt 20mA and is now working since 3 days with a 7AH Lead Acid= battery.=20 In the future I plan to use a stereo optic cable. Then, one could sw= itch the=20 preamp on and off by the seconds line doing it the opposite way. So,= smaller=20 batteries could be used, which is necessary when mounting the preamp= to a=20 shaky fiber mast if one does not want to change the batteries each= few hours=20 ;-)

Signal=20 distortion seems to be no problem, as I can confirm until=20 now.

Now, my=20 K2 has an optical LF input! ;-)<= /P>

Perhaps=20 this will give some ideas to the local qrm bothered stns who tried= everything=20 with ferrite cores, isolating transformers and so on without a satis= fying=20 result.

NOTE:= = I do not know if anyone has=20 tried this before and has written a publication about that. My goal= is=20 not to be the hero= in=20 inventions, to become popular and especially not to compete with anyone (like it seems= =20 to be usual in career/job to be the one who gets the pay rise) but= just to=20 share my ideas to those who are interested to try something new (?).= I do not=20 say that my solution is the best at all and so on! But, if it will= help only=20 one Lowfer getting new ideas and improving his station, and if this= =20 improvement results in more activity on the band, then it would have= helped=20 all of us!

 

 

73s es 55=20 de Stefan / DK7FC

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA7E96.70EACA30-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (rly-dg02.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.86]) by air-dg03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG033-5ad4b2cc7927e; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 07:31:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG028-5ad4b2cc7927e; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 07:31:15 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLyNb-0001Ux-PX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:25:51 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLyNb-0001Uo-8f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:25:51 +0000 Received: from smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.17]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLyRV-0003xz-8S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:29:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 63452 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2009 12:29:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=vYgYvIUEALoy8Os6z7cjCTAvVciJzA2OWS5wisld2qS1gmWNqcM6o+uUs7qZB1dPF9+tS14YkMUGgJGXJVW10hp12zm3uvnrAZZ0iaAJZRri7mY6PwjOP1gqM24/m33WQqpHQifXB2se6aEBuveQ4oGH8GFfnY42m3hUUPb6a5Y= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.179.135.6 with login) by smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2009 12:29:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: rl18iCYVM1mnBRjjl3JiZ_kyWPo5YbCd.lTrvKDAM_u0PkEwggfVNYV2FxQMCx7zgi23Z6sTpmznHIjWpQjzKBavuk79DNQH1bYpC2hVS9Nh4iof55lPpYKc2DrkGbVUwlO6elAs2yC2_Ufz90yxolzgJj9tF0B9SJnBNbovqbPK3kw9JPcBM3wHufRJu6ublYvpSTP.G3Oed.NEs2G1xrpecBdFiUUL1CUh40YbB2M2pQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <346854e9698cbf94f4483c66682bb63b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:29:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Andy, Roelof, LF Group, PA0RDT wrote: >> Have you tried to mount it on a four metre high non metallic pole? >> It probably is still inside the noise field of the building, which drops >> off within a few metres. G4JNT wrote: > That wouldn't make any difference. The mount to the metal frame was > non contact, and the outer of the coax forming the counterpoise will > always be the interference injection point as teh rubbish is being > picke dup on th ecoax outer as it feeds its way thuorgh the ducting to > the outside world. Putting the active whip on a mast might not reduce the noise level, if this was mainly due to the noise voltage induced on the coax feeder. But increasing the height of the whip above the local ground plane should increase the signal voltage induced on the whip, so the SNR should still improve. I think the role of the ground with active whips is often neglected - the output of the whip preamp is the voltage differential between the whip element and the circuit ground, so the ground connection is just as much part of the antenna as the whip element itself is. Clearly, an electrically quiet ground is needed for the active whip, whether this is provided by the coax feeder or a seperate local ground connection. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df02.mx.aol.com (rly-df02.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.15]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF014-52f4b1fd9ea3c7; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:10:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF022-52f4b1fd9ea3c7; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:10:04 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIQ1l-0003T6-EM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:08:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIQ1l-0003Sx-2W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:08:37 +0000 Received: from mailout08.t-online.de ([194.25.134.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIQ1k-0004RH-FO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:08:37 +0000 Received: from fwd03.aul.t-online.de by mailout08.t-online.de with smtp id 1NIQ1g-0005iZ-03; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:08:32 +0100 Received: from e7010 (Ew3DLZZrohtEalePtNuUI0LSxb9OORlwlWTTbwiqZ0xDkZ+1FwpSvcm9OWsU-u1gcq@[84.147.252.42]) by fwd03.aul.t-online.de with smtp id 1NIQ1I-1RPdyK0; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 18:08:08 +0100 Message-ID: <001e01ca78f2$30e456d0$6402a8c0@e7010> From: "Walter und Marianne Staubach" To: Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 18:08:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-ID: Ew3DLZZrohtEalePtNuUI0LSxb9OORlwlWTTbwiqZ0xDkZ+1FwpSvcm9OWsU-u1gcq X-TOI-MSGID: b239be69-2ed5-4716-82e2-3394484de663 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: DI2AG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA78FA.909FA860" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA78FA.909FA860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear MF, DI2AG beacon is on air from now to 7:00UTC tomorrow in QRSS3,= 0.4W ERP. QRG 505.090KHz. 73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA78FA.909FA860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear MF,
      &= nbsp; DI2AG=20 beacon is on air from now to 7:00UTC tomorrow in QRSS3, 0.4W ERP. QRG= =20 505.090KHz.
73   Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF
 
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA78FA.909FA860-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (rly-dg09.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.93]) by air-dg07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG073-5ee4b20dcced9; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:34:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG093-5ee4b20dcced9; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:34:40 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIhHG-0001hA-W5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:33:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIhHG-0001h1-Hr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:33:46 +0000 Received: from msa-k1.u-netsurf.ne.jp ([202.233.11.14]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp>) id 1NIhHE-0002FL-VR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:33:46 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.5] (d25.HkanagawaFL59.vectant.ne.jp [122.103.154.25]) by msa-k1.u-netsurf.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4522934BDA for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:33:41 +0900 (JST) From: Rick Wakatori <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <20091210100700.32DEC31E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <20091210100700.32DEC31E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> Organization: RLL Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:33:41 +0900 Message-Id: <1260444821.6353.65.camel@vaio3rd> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AW: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I agree Rik's observation on the 100W limitation. Average CW operator is a KEY-technician without any science. A good earth is essencial for LF operation, otherwise would get LF shock at frame of transmitter. Linear amplifier is based on self responsibility. There is another reason in a market place for such tranceiver in JP. 100W/50W machine has much wider, say 100 times, of market place than 1KW machine. In any way, there is still a high wall in front of a operator who bought the machine, such tuner, good earth, good antenna and etc.=20 In any way, I will operate QRSS60 using TX2200A/50W at 137780Hz+-1Hz in a peak of peninsular from 01:00UTC to 02:30UTC on coming Sunday,December 13,20 or 27 depending on crimate. 73, --=20 -.. . --... .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-. 7L1RLL under ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP) URL=3Dhttp://www1.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html -..--- -.- .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-... ...-. On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 11:07 +0100, Rik Strobbe wrote: > Stefan, >=20 > there is one good reason to limit the output=20 > power 100W: more power could become lethal (high antenna voltages / curr= ents). > The "black box operators" must be protected=20 > against this danger, otherwise they might go QRT due to "natural selecti= on" :-) >=20 > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >=20 > At 10:19 10/12/2009, you wrote: > >Warren, LF, > >Tnx for the info! > >I am not "afraid" that now many OMs come on the=20 > >band who just bought their rig, like on HF. Even=20 > >if you could buy a loading coil, you never will=20 > >get qrv satisfactorily cause you always have to=20 > >consider many things like the earth, the local=20 > >noise reduction, the impedance transformation to 50 Ohm and so on. > >These OMs, even if they could buy a automatic=20 > >tuner (that would not be easy to create as a=20 > >commercial product) for LF, would be frustrated=20 > >soon cause there are no contests and no 100s of=20 > >stns calling on the band ;-) They would say "LF=20 > >is dead, just nerving qrm" and would never get=20 > >the fascination that we all experience. > >Finally I don't understand why this PA has just=20 > >100W. To reach 1W ERP, most LFers have to apply=20 > >1kW and more, so 100W is QRP on LF ;-). 1kW can=20 > >easily be reached on LF without using expensive=20 > >special transistors and drivers and ferrite=20 > >cores. E.g. with one simple IRFP360 we can built=20 > >a 1kW high efficiency calss d or e PA that costs not even 50=E2=82=AC..= . > >These difficulties to get qrv is one part of the=20 > >LF hobby and if they are solved, one can be glad=20 > >even without doing 100s of qsos in one evening :-) > > > >Stefan / DK7FC > >-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht----- > >Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 > >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Warren Ziegl= er > >Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. Dezember 2009 16:30 > >An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > >Betreff: LF: TX-2200A > > > >Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 > >Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver > >muting. > >Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! > > > >http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf > > > > > > > >73 Warren K2ORS > > WD2XGJ > > WD2XSH/23 > > WE2XEB/2 > > WE2XGR/1 >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df02.mx.aol.com (rly-df02.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.15]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF034-5304b22ed53201; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:09:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF023-5304b22ed53201; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:09:41 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJGT9-00048U-5d for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:08:23 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJGT8-00048L-5y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:08:22 +0000 Received: from defout.telus.net ([199.185.220.240]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJGT5-0004PB-V9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:08:22 +0000 Received: from edtnaa02.telusplanet.net ([75.157.163.71]) by priv-edtnes25.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091212010817.MPET28811.priv-edtnes25.telusplanet.net@edtnaa02.telusplanet.net> for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:08:17 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.67] (d75-157-163-71.bchsia.telus.net [75.157.163.71]) by edtnaa02.telusplanet.net (BorderWare Security Platform) with ESMTP id 007491F323AD4F9A for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:08:16 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <4B22ED00.8070402@telus.net> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:08:16 +0000 From: Scott Tilley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <88EEC52E6C874CCEB966804D073A3376@White> <57a24ca70912110724l43b18b68t5d2f18849fb14147@mail.gmail.com> <031E83CD8D72440486D28C1EBA4E53C3@Black> In-Reply-To: <031E83CD8D72440486D28C1EBA4E53C3@Black> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) HI Guys I wish this was problem here!!! Here's hoping they give us the band in Canada in the new year. 73 Scott Markus Vester wrote: > Dear Warren, LF, > > well your point about the winter night is perfectly understood... > > A fixed QRG will not be a problem for transatlantic contacts, as long > as we Eu's would transmit in the lower band. Only if during the second > half of your night you'd aim West, and someone from over there might > want to fire up near your QRG, the two of you could end up > blocking possible coast-to-coast contacts. > > There is also a technical answer: you could perhaps tune remotely > using a relay, or even connect the additional capacitance at the input > of the feedline. It may add in a bit of extra loss but not much, as > only 2% of the reactance would need to be switched. > > Best wishes, > Markus (DF6NM) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Warren Ziegler" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 4:24 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes > > Markus, > > My antenna tuning unit is outside 100 meters away from > the ham shack. > I am unwilling to go out in the winter night to retune the antenna to > QSY to the lower frequency segment. > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 3:38 AM, Markus Vester > wrote: > Dear LF, > > the passage should have said: > > Taking into account the path of mutual darkness, this would mean that > all stations should transmit in the UPPER band during their evenings > until local midnight, and then QSY to the lower band for the rest of > the night. > > Sorry for the confusion. > > 73, Markus > ... From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (rly-mg05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.111]) by air-mg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG021-a124b2e0adf208; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 06:31:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG054-a124b2e0adf208; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 06:30:40 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMJuO-0006yV-Q5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:25:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMJuO-0006yM-DY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:25:08 +0000 Received: from mx39.mail.ru ([94.100.176.53]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMJy3-0004ma-TT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:28:58 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=18144 helo=EFREMOV) by mx39.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NMJyh-00051z-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:29:35 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <005201ca8167$ac1f0890$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: References: <632025.9903.qm@web28511.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:13:43 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: OH1TN last night in UK Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Chris, I heard OH1TN at 0.30z in CW, RST 439. 73 Andrey LF, I was receiving good signals from OH1TN last night: 2250 Z - 137.7 kHz - DFCW(3) - 'O' - in IO 92 UB I replied to his CQ's but my aerial current was low due to snow. 73 Chris G3XIZ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df08.mx.aol.com (rly-df08.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.21]) by air-df05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF052-56f4b254388b9; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:42:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF086-56f4b254388b9; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:42:01 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJuIo-0008Ex-8X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:40:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJuIn-0008Eo-P3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:40:21 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJuJM-00063a-UD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:40:58 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CA1C51C002 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:40:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 515D331E702 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:40:51 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 815A818056; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:40:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from 206.104-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (206.104-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [87.64.104.206]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:40:50 +0100 Message-ID: <20091213204050.1zrtgnvjkss4c08w@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:40:50 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <001601ca7c18$9db0cef0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <002a01ca7c1d$92e557c0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> In-Reply-To: <002a01ca7c1d$92e557c0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 87.64.104.206 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: LA3EQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) LA3EQ is aubible here day (very weak) and night (up to S7). The usual QSB, but maybe also transmitting at different power levels ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Clemens Paul : > Weak aural and good visual copy on 502.15. > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > Loc:S=FCdostbayern,12,90006=B0O/48,4150=B0N (Gridloc:JN68KJ) > Perseus mit K9AY > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mal hamilton > To: rsgb > Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 6:20 PM > Subject: LF: LA3EQ > > Going strong on CW at present on 502 kcs. Can anyone else hear him. =20 > How about the grabbers? > G3KEV > > > ________________________________ > > Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. > Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de > Version: 9.0.716 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.105/2562 - Ausgabedatum: =20 > 12/13/09 08:39:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc09.mx.aol.com (rly-mc09.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.93]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC023-d934b25155c133; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:25:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC093-d934b25155c133; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:25:02 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJrEM-0005hl-5V for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:23:34 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJrEL-0005hc-QB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:23:33 +0000 Received: from smtp-out112.alice.it ([85.37.17.112]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJrEw-0003tv-8O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:24:12 +0000 Received: from FBCMMO05.fbc.local ([192.168.184.136]) by smtp-out112.alice.it with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:24:04 +0100 Received: from FBCMCL01B05.fbc.local ([192.168.69.86]) by FBCMMO05.fbc.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:23:35 +0100 Received: from IK1ODO.spin-it.com ([87.24.41.185]) by FBCMCL01B05.fbc.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:23:35 +0100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:23:19 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Marco IK1ODO In-Reply-To: <014901ca7c0f$2bedf850$0201a8c0@Clemens04> References: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> <241919.87622.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9afca2640912130305r3acb5e5fs991caaa1115d2255@mail.gmail.com> <6E7638745A1B43168C402CDBB010C2A7@AGB> <007b01ca7c0c$167e7b00$0201a8c0@Clemens04> <014901ca7c0f$2bedf850$0201a8c0@Clemens04> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2009 16:23:35.0937 (UTC) FILETIME=[9ED21710:01CA7C10] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: IK1HSS WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 At 17.13 13/12/2009, you wrote: >Now it's ok. >I believe you just made a typo before: 136.420 instead of >136.240 for dial qrg. >Ur sig was well visible in during the last transmission and will >surely be decoded >in the next one,now that I've adjusted everything. > >73 >Clemens >DL4RAJ Sorry for the mistype :-) Marco IK1HSS is continuing to send. Let me know. 73 - Marco IK1ODO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da08.mx.aol.com (rly-da08.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.82]) by air-da04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA043-a864b26203fa4; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 06:24:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA086-a864b26203fa4; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 06:23:45 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NK8za-00019W-8O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:21:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NK8zZ-00019N-R5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:21:29 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f215.google.com ([209.85.220.215]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NK90R-00030Q-1e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:22:25 +0000 Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so2931745fxm.29 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 03:22:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=/j1746WppA1uG0zMTEDophf8gI//M9A+DPdvliu4ouA=; b=GuuscbtU5IkqOZwiQ63S0AbGrS768hnephC0tPq9iJxzprxBTwQxEeh9r2RSGiGm7W a4IkxVD8wvF3JR1YA/J+HNeQ4La8WD/HjiTnnv6u0u5b8Jda5psfJpWomv9bsaQQywNz BMMTRggGwff6BUodOHqk1xjT0WE3WoX3dC1Hg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=sn17O2aReVzG1EcEDoYButli06x2yJYwdgSmp90zhqwQ/xn9QBEzmtbcf+HkAaNePo PgztKI6PVsfbWDNm157ZvJHYISTH8GDUE6mkByn3yzq/m1wyYUkrJvSydq72z0CyOSQJ 5v2a10yy/n7s+Y5kPRNeYt+vw6yCdUA48fZJ0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.139.17 with SMTP id r17mr472037hbr.140.1260789745561; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 03:22:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <47E8873B5C254CA9A406AA345E229ED6@Black> References: <47E8873B5C254CA9A406AA345E229ED6@Black> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:22:25 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR 2.0 samplerate Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m279.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Windows XP automatically resamples audio at rates that the saoundcard can't 'inherently' support, rather than report an error. Most moderncards have an underlying clock based on 48kHz or 96kHz now, so 11025 etc rates are derived from this. However, the resampling is rarely exact, and for 11025 usually ends up at 11100Hz which is 0.68% high, or occasionally at 10800Hz. G3PLX reckons they are all multiples of 300Hz - which looks to be a valid hypothesis, even if tnot confirmed. Normally, 12000 (or 48kHz really) based rates are the best as all modern soundcards use this, but your older machine probably has a 44100Hz soundcard, in which case WinXP is trying to get 12000Hz and failing to get close enough - the 0.6% you quote seems non-coincidental! It is a pity that WSPR does not have the sample rate correction facility of WSJT - presumably Joe thought that by using 48kHz windows would just throw up an error if it wasn't possible, but the annoying windows driver just tries to do the best it can. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police 2009/12/13 Markus Vester : > Dear LF, > > I have recently installed WSPR 2.0 on one older XP machine and found tha= t > decodes were=A0erratic, and=A0the=A0frequency readout was=A0about 10 Hz= high. The > reason seems to be that the input samplerate is about 0.6 % low. The out= put > samplerate is however correct. > > The strange thing is that this samplerate error was not present=A0with= the > former version 1.12. I now have the two versions running simultaneously= side > by side, on the same machine with the same soundcard. WSPR 1.12 is produ= cing > perfect decodes=A0on the correct frequency, whereas=A02.0 reproducibly= shows the > described effects. It looks like the new version somehow accesses the > soundcard differently. > > Has anybody else experienced this? > > Best 73, > Markus, DF6NM > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (rly-mg04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.110]) by air-mg03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG032-a0d4b2d0c3813c; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:24:22 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG047-a0d4b2d0c3813c; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:24:09 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NM2xM-0002Zx-I0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:19:04 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NM2xM-0002Zo-3P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:19:04 +0000 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.156]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NM31N-0005RX-1W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:23:15 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 16so1810262fgg.10 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 09:23:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=aD8EPfeKwZDZeKcS6sROgLKANfU+AshGuf9BQH+JT3Y=; b=FxPnfCBUde/0Wb5BeRGHH5qyxzTf/kSJBQJiwlaydDkY4AvZcTmdcyhQrbr64pMRzE XC2trI+0881PX7hP7DWjzK5izq0whgh18vrr7CGM+C4bdubGPv4hSFkaHuvo/oJp4xkR n5/vLhOBpG5NaYowBTY7fggBS8KqnNYbpO2nU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=wrLoe9lrxTQNPrvK2P8r71Bz3xQgD0y0AhlrilgsD5Ocdn5ynLN4ug0SYmDv4+vyeX pVrRsPUumWdTU72tP09532xMerQRl16jpvkYgsmvXMWvZTLt/ktsHhXXYMmiSDAQmsAm 1j8cpxCszA1AMbGNP/5K6/Y5AjMoXXYSH+yD0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.139.89 with SMTP id s25mr497900hbs.113.1261243392437; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 09:23:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <346854e9698cbf94f4483c66682bb63b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:23:12 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d254.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Like the sound of that. How did you keep common mode interference induced on the power lead from getting anywhere near the high impedance antenna probe ? Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police 2009/12/19 Roelof Bakker : > Dear James, > >> I think the role of the ground with active whips is often neglected - the >> output of the whip preamp is the voltage differential between the whip >> element and the circuit ground, so the ground connection is just as much >> part of the antenna as the whip element itself is. Clearly, an electrically >> quiet ground is needed for the active whip, whether this is provided by the >> coax feeder or a seperate local ground connection. > > It seems that the requirements for a ground connection are quite relaxed. > I have tested a completely isolated system with the coax running horizontal > tied to a non conduction mast and shoved out of an upstairs window. Signal > strength received with the same system and the mast vertical mounted in the > garden to put the antenna at the same location in space, was within one dB > for a vertical polarised signal. > > I have also build a system with CAT5 cable as a balanced feeder. One twisted > pair was used for RF, the other for power feed. At both ends of the RF pair > rf-isolating transformers were used. This resulted in a very low local noise > pick up. > > Using a common mode choke at the antenna end does not change anything at all > either. My guess is that the antenna element is so small, that even a small > (capacitive) coupling is good ebnough for a ground. > > Best regards, > Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.147]) by air-db08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB084-869c4b38cd522bb; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:22:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DBFFA380003CF; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:22:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPHPt-0005l7-FL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:21:53 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPHPt-0005ky-3q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:21:53 +0000 Received: from mx01.infotech.at ([213.174.240.1]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPHPr-0003fw-IO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:21:53 +0000 Received: from [213.174.228.217] (helo=[192.168.1.150]) by mx01.infotech.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPHPq-0003S1-FJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:21:50 +0100 Message-ID: <4B38CD12.1030405@inext.at> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:21:54 +0100 From: Oberreiter Oswald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AD08@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AD08@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: OE5ODL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40934b38cd504e38 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) hallo stefan! servus ja das waren mit dem 2watt text 2 watt in ,an der antenne nacher= =20 die 5er waren ca 70 watt in ok ja dann noch viel spass und einen guten=20 rutsch awdh 55 dx mit deiner hohen antenne servus de oe5odl Stefan Sch=E4fer schrieb: > Hey Ossi,=20 > I just saw your 2W test on the DF6NM Grabber. Do you mean 2W TX power or= 2W ERP? ;-) If it`s 2W TX power, I have to congratulate to your antenna!! > 73, Stefan > > > =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd08.mx.aol.com (rly-dd08.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.155]) by air-dd05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD052-b964b196fc9204; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 15:23:48 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD088-b964b196fc9204; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 15:23:38 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGefj-00023P-6I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 20:22:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGefi-00023G-9y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 20:22:34 +0000 Received: from n62.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com ([98.136.44.35]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGefh-0007Hp-TE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 20:22:34 +0000 Received: from [69.147.84.145] by n62.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2009 20:22:26 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.224] by t8.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2009 20:22:26 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.241] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2009 20:22:26 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp402.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2009 20:22:26 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 269241.57037.bm@omp402.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 6472 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2009 20:22:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=a4LnBWFCoVf6RMQg9+Y6E61qpZmVl+JLElp66Ikjaz0kG7vDEYZLKJwj/ad8Eq/8H/3OLroJXNieUyOiGjbJFgf7YtuiWQov+DN6zhPyEzAVnOZiCgYl+w1Nnh/u1tbAEPT4bgc11jnt1PggUdtToXGozbc+JkmCcQSTP4D1QzE= ; Received: from host81-129-214-4.range81-129.btcentralplus.com (ken.h.wright@81.129.214.4 with login) by smtp129.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 04 Dec 2009 12:22:25 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9Y6mUHuswBAgnrOsukIiNdFDf95uy_Dz34nY1hlg2liKgYD952sjbg-- X-YMail-OSG: t6u7wEgVM1lx2dQTuYDCr7YdfS6Nkzg_xzXuppbn9YZLV938RXUMhOg._l1_pm0fhJOsFMgd_dDBrozX1ZUIOjeb96Q82L_fWksqYaleaSQLGEwazjggvDzW1.SgJmg1CSAaKu13lhuYCr.Pe2rXwKOGbBW24YJnmLxP91Md8iXqXgMlBZ2ZMvCj8SthPL7NPdnXIVy4t5v7ig5gaXbLXtC2o7BkoNZ09MHvqs6doCtfOKgfAHZqYxlrV2mIOh5OX8ooBqGaqZqwzMFPr9qrufnr59E5HdmUD4YsQo3LH_Tu5la8XNHETSQWF0_xOWfeokdN28wxhJFiGcWLU1REY5sb_Rw- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <778502A52141494DA85FD6F121E71A01@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <000a01ca74ff$163eb010$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 20:22:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: Re: FUSE TEST Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA751F.7BF63750" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA751F.7BF63750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The ceramic fuses in 13A plug tops usually have a 100% overload capabi= liy, this was also the case for some of the BT fuses. Ken de M0KHW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:30 PM Subject: LF: FUSE TEST Has anyone tested the ACTUAL blow current for fuses eg 5A 10A 30A.. I often do not have fuses at the correct value and FUSE down only to= find that I can run them at considerably higher amps than rated eg 30= A fuses at 50A and they fail to blow. This is intermittent use say 30%= - 50% in psu's used for CW and QRS3 normally in FET AMPS This is normal fuse wire bought wrapped on card. It looks like your PA fets could be in trouble under certain circums= tances. de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA751F.7BF63750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The ceramic fuses in 13A plug tops us= ually have a=20 100% overload capabiliy, this was also the case for some of the BT=20 fuses.
 
Ken
de M0KHW
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Friday, December 04, 20= 09 4:30=20 PM
Subject: LF: FUSE TEST

Has anyone tested the ACTUAL blow= current for=20 fuses eg 5A 10A 30A..
I often do not have fuses at the co= rrect value=20 and FUSE down only to find that I can run them at considerably highe= r amps=20 than rated eg 30A fuses at 50A and they fail to blow. This is interm= ittent use=20 say 30% - 50% in psu's used for CW and QRS3 normally in FET AMPS
This is normal fuse wire bought wra= pped on=20 card.
It looks like your PA fets could be= in trouble=20 under certain circumstances.
 
de mal/g3kev
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA751F.7BF63750-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db06.mx.aol.com (rly-db06.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.81]) by air-db05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB053-ad14b21dbea244; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:43:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB067-ad14b21dbea244; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:43:27 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIsEm-0003th-NW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:15:56 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIsE4-0003tY-7S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:15:12 +0000 Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.146]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIsE2-0003v9-RF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:15:12 +0000 Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nBANEtIr013189 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:14:55 -0500 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.d12.340438cf (37659) for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:14:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from White (e179164100.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.179.164.100]) by cia-mb07.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB071-931b4b2180e636; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:14:47 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Markus Vester" To: Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:14:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006E_01CA79F6.EB4035D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,NO_DNS_FOR_FROM autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01CA79F6.EB4035D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF group, recently we find the "transatlantic waterhole" around 137.777 kHz quit= e busy. Several Europeans have started beaconing within this segment.= And there has been some fast (QRSS3 or 10) activity, with wide traces= covering up possible transatlantic DX signalling frequencies. During the last years, we have attempted to split the frequency bands= for both directions of transatlantic work. Traditional segments were= around 137.777 kHz west-to-east (for Americans transmitting towards= Eu), and around 136.320 kHz east-west (for Eu to stateside). Slow mod= es (QRSS or DFCW, 60 second and longer) were used almost exclusively= there, and several stations were able to successfully cross the pond= in either direction. The situation has become a little more intricate as more stations from= other parts of the world (eg. Asia, China, Japan) are joining the gam= e with sensitive receivers and good signals. But I still think it woul= d be helpful to separate RX and TX bands within each area as much as= possible.=20 My suggestion would be to stick with the east-west versus west-east al= location of the two slots. Taking into account the path of mutual dark= ness, this would mean that all stations should transmit in the lower= band during their evenings until local midnight, and then QSY to the= lower band for the rest of the night. Receiver settings would of cour= se be vice versa. I'm aware that this scheme cannot be perfect and universal. It won't= cover North-South hauls, and would not protect signals during early= or late openings. But it's simple enough, and I believe it would stil= l be very useful. Please don't get me wrong - I do not want to discour= age anyone from putting out a signal, and certainly reject the notion= of anything reminiscent of a "band police". I just think a little coo= rdination may help all of us to be successful on this challenging and= fascinating band. Let me have your thoughts... 73 de Markus, DF6NM http://freenet-homepage.de/df6nm/Grabber.htm ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01CA79F6.EB4035D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear LF group,
 
recently we find the "transatlantic= waterhole"=20 around 137.777 kHz quite busy. Several Europeans have started beaconin= g within=20 this segment. And there has been some fast (QRSS3 or 10) activity, wit= h wide=20 traces covering up possible transatlantic DX signalling=20 frequencies.
 
During the last years, we have a= ttempted=20 to split the frequency bands for both directions of transatl= antic=20 work. Traditional segments were around 137.777 kHz west-to-e= ast (for=20 Americans transmitting towards Eu), and around 136.320 kHz east-west= (for Eu to=20 stateside). Slow modes (QRSS= or DFCW, 60=20 second and longer) were used almost exclusively there, and severa= l stations=20 were able to successfully cross the pond in either direction.
 
The situation has become a little mor= e intricate=20 as more stations from other parts of the world (eg. Asia, China,= Japan) are=20 joining the game with sensitive receivers and good signals. But I stil= l think it=20 would be helpful to separate RX and TX bands within each area as much= as=20 possible.
 
My suggestion would be to stick= with the=20 east-west versus west-east allocation of the two slots. Taking in= to account=20 the path of mutual darkness, this would mean that all stations should= transmit=20 in the lower band during their evenings until local midnight, and then= QSY to=20 the lower band for the rest of the night. Receiver settings would=  of=20 course be vice versa.
 
I'm aware that this scheme canno= t be perfect=20 and universal. It won't cover North-South hauls, and would not=20 protect signals during early or late openings. But it's simple enough, and I believe it would st= ill be very=20 useful. Please don't get me wrong= - I do not want=20 to discourage anyone from putting out a signal, and certainly&nbs= p;reject=20 the notion of anything reminiscent of a "band police".= I just=20 think a little coordination may help all of us to be successful= on=20 this challenging and fascinating band.
 
Let me have your thoughts...
 
73 de Markus, DF6NM
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_006E_01CA79F6.EB4035D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (rly-dc01.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.30]) by air-dc05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC054-b024b1ae2172d6; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:43:57 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC016-b024b1ae2172d6; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:43:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NH3Kp-00009f-89 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:42:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NH3Ko-00009W-Om for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:42:38 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NH3Ko-0005ZI-4H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:42:38 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 05 Dec 2009 22:42:31 -0000 Received: from p5DC43D4D.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.196.61.77] by mail.gmx.net (mp025) with SMTP; 05 Dec 2009 23:42:31 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/aMLdo4rjaRFLeaYkuzDqAn5DKcpvcp8RxifB9PK 5cEjbxWTe2gsnv Message-ID: <005501ca75fc$3b676280$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <59DC6AF25071476FA37B42E3896BC627@radiorummet> <00aa01ca7548$de12ce70$0201a8c0@Clemens04> <9AF4BA15A6D94C3483BB006F4E38040B@radiorummet> <001a01ca758f$b9fba3d0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> <002301ca75fa$10f1db40$0201a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 23:42:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.47 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.3 required=5.0 tests=BEEN_TURNED_DOWN autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 > For some reason WSPR 1.12 did not upload (internet connection being ok). The reason was my fault [again -:( ]. Wrong qrg format: kHz instead of MHz. The three uploads appear in the database if you chose all instead of LF/VLF. Sorry for the inconvenience. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clemens Paul" To: Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 11:26 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz > Hello Gus, LF, > > three spots so far (between the noise periods of the heating system). > > 2142 9 0.0 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 > 2158 9 0.0 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 > 2206 8 0.3 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 > > For some reason WSPR 1.12 did not upload (internet connection being ok). > So I've just downloaded and installed V2.0. > Let's see if it works for the rest of the night. > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gus" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 7:54 PM > Subject: LF: Re: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz > > >> Hi Andrey, Clemens and LF, >> >> thanks for the reports and info. >> It is interesting to discover that long-range reception at very low power! >> I only use the drive without the power amplifier stage. >> Also this evening I will run WSPR beacon, QRG 137.650 kHz (Dial 136.150 >> kHz). Power is the same as yesterday about 50 mW erp. >> Grateful for all the reports which may be reported on, >> >> www.sm6bhz.com >> >> 73 de Gus SM6BHZ >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Andrey rn3agc" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 10:45 AM >> Subject: LF: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz >> >> >>> Hello Gus, Clemens, LF, >>> >>> 0008 -28 0.9 0.137650 SM6BHZ JO57 17 >>> 0024 -28 0.9 0.137650 SM6BHZ JO57 17 >>> 0028 -28 0.9 0.137650 SM6BHZ JO57 17 >>> >>> I used WSPR 2.0. >>> Dial 135.620, Rx BFO 2030 Hz - it really works. >>> >>> 73 Andrey >>> >>> >>> Hi Clemens, >>> >>> thanks for your info and print my WSPR formerly of 137 kHz. >>> Not bad considering the low power used! >>> Luke just wants attention :-) >>> I have now closed the transmitter for the night. >>> >>> Best 73 de Gus SM6BHZ >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Clemens Paul >>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 2:17 AM >>> Subject: LF: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz >>> >>> >>> Hi GUs, >>> >>> see below: >>> >>> 2118 8 0.4 136.151499 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 >>> 2138 9 0.6 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 >>> 2144 8 0.7 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 >>> 2218 7 0.6 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 >>> 2222 8 0.7 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 >>> 2226 9 0.8 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 >>> >>> As my internert connection has been broken during the last hours no data >>> upload >>> has taken place. >>> Probably a few loggings are missing because I had to use my dipole for >>> receiving whis is periodically disturbed when our heater is is on. >>> My K9AY has been turned down this late afternoon by our three months old >>> labrador 'Luke'. >>> >>> 73 >>> Clemens >>> DL4RAJ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 73 >>> Clemens >>> DL4RAJ >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Gus >>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:55 PM >>> Subject: LF: WSPR on 137 kHz >>> >>> >>> Hello LF-group, >>> >>> this evening i will transmit, WSPR on 137.650 kHz 136.150 kHz dial. >>> Power abt 50 mW ERP. >>> Transmitter start at 16:00 GMT >>> All reports are welcome. >>> You can also log on, >>> >>> www.sm6bhz.com >>> >>> 73 de Gus SM6BHZ >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. >>> Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de >>> Version: 9.0.709 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.93/2544 - Ausgabedatum: >>> 12/04/09 08:32:00 >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. > Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de > Version: 9.0.709 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.95/2546 - Ausgabedatum: 12/05/09 09:13:00 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.709 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.95/2546 - Ausgabedatum: 12/05/09 09:13:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md07.mx.aol.com (rly-md07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.145]) by air-md01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD014-9124b267f362f8; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:09:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD072-9124b267f362f8; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:08:56 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKFJj-0005wm-E8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:06:43 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKFJj-0005wd-1E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:06:43 +0000 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKFKv-0004fh-83 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:07:59 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlAFAFYNJktZ8INV/2dsb2JhbACIXtAFhCsE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,395,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="338211494" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.240.131.85]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2009 18:07:50 +0000 Message-ID: <002b01ca7ce8$587aa510$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <20091210100700.32DEC31E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <1260444821.6353.65.camel@vaio3rd> <1260449921.6353.77.camel@vaio3rd> <200912141851290399.0E3514C6@smtp2.numeo.fr> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:07:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Can u afford it plus the psu ? Is it cost effective how much would u use it? It depends on the amp class, is it linear, or class D, E, F or G G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "John RABSON" To: Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 5:51 PM Subject: LF: Re: TX-2200A May I add a somewhat late comment about this product, please? It seems to me that there are several different requirements for a transmitter for 136 kHz, depending upon what any individual needs. Being able to generate 1 kW is not always necessary. One thing that struck me about this unit is that the power level can be varied over a considerable range. When setting up an antenna and its connection to the feed line, it is very useful to start with low power (hence low voltage) so as not to stress the various components unnecessarily. One thing I like about this unit is that it can be used for ordinary hand-sent CW. Presumably QRSS would not be a problem. Also, can this rig be used for some of the more sophisticated modes? I do not think I have a complete set of the e-mails of this thread. Please will someone enlighten me. Thanks. 73 John Rabson F5VLF 58800 Cervon France JN17vg From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf01.mx.aol.com (rly-mf01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.171]) by air-mf06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF061-9404b27757f320; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 06:40:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF016-9404b27757f320; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 06:39:45 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKVhm-0002Bu-8K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:36:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKVhl-0002Bl-Jh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:36:37 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s13.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.24]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKVj5-0004em-08 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:38:02 +0000 Received: from BLU146-DS1 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s13.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:38:07 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [60.27.206.155] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC66@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC66@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:38:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2009 11:38:07.0310 (UTC) FILETIME=[123086E0:01CA7D7B] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,EXTRA_MPART_TYPE=0.815,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: Max power was qrss 3/10 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0038_01CA7D7B.10CD7470" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01CA7D7B.10CD7470 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0039_01CA7D7B.10CD7470" ------=_NextPart_001_0039_01CA7D7B.10CD7470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From memory, and Ill stand to be corrected - the higher power stations= Americas stations on 137Khz produced/are producing around 3W ERP (+= or minus 3dB for a ground constant Im having trouble with) from Marco= nis' and decent loops - I cant recall anyone running much more save= perhaps for VA7LF antipodes test crowd (again apologies if Ive calls= ign wrong), or Ed and the Russian teams. I know from the calcs and measurements this is about right for WD2XDW= in Oklahoma which ran on a good day/week, with the wind behind around= 40-50A of loop current, this from a Modded Purple Decca unit, again= from a fading memory running around 1Kw output. I was about at my eng= ineering limit with the V/m and loop current at this power in a suburb= an lot. Man, Im getting RF lackitus having not shoved anything up a coax on LF= for about 5 years Given my present licence a 10KW tx still would no= t afford my max permit allowable ERP level on 137 with my planned Ala= skan loop - but never say never. As far as noise sources are concerned from the PC - I really cant see= anything on the frequencies of choice and solely limited by external= out of my Faraday cage noise from the antennae =3D now, that's not= to say the Dell SMPSU's don't produce crud, and some of that does get= back, no matter how much I choke and decouple - but I must admit I= have a box of them and choose my AC Power supply model for the band/b= ands of interest - and select one that doesn't give me a sproggi where= its not wanted. Oh for some time to get a method of running and decou= pling all the lines/screen/mouse to and from the PC so its completely= quiet. Laurence=20 KL1 X WE 2 X Pee Kew. From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:03 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: AW: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Dear LF,=20 I have done some further thoughts/questions about the "gain" between= the qrss modes. If the "gain" or better said SNR between qrss30 and qrss3 is 10dB, so= can I do a QSO to VK with 1W TX Power and an antenna efficiency of 1/= 1000 if I choose QRSS10000000000? That's a litte jokingly formulated= but you know what I mean. In other words, where are the limitations= of this rule?=20 In CW I think that rule cannot be valid because a dot in CW (say 20wpm= ) is much shorter than 0,3s but to my experience the "gain" compared= to qrss3 is not even 10dB. Furthermore a PC must be seen as a source= of QRM, especially when connected to the antenna system (e.g. for swi= tching a tx relay with the qrs-programm) and RX (even when using a ins= ulating transformer for the AF), and so it always brings a "negative= gain", even when one uses 10s of ferrite cores. =20 And: I always thought of the energy "waste" when applying 1kW (before= 6 yrs when I became qrv with a much worse antenna) to the antenna and= pumping 999,9W into the earth. But when I need 10x the time in qrss30= to do the qso with 100W, the needed energy is the same (compared to= 1kW in qrss3). So, qsos could be done much faster if choosing 10x the= power and stay in qrss3. The additional advantage would be, if I try= to do a TA QSO I could just stay in the region of 137.7 and those who= are qrv in qrss3 and only watch the qrss3-sector would get a nice sig= nal and thus more fascination for the LF-hobby (I often think about th= e LWLs watching my transmission when no one is answering my call ;-)).= In sum, the needed energy (=3Dmoney) is the same but the needed time= would be 10x less. Of course, there would be some problems like partial discharges due to= the high voltage at the antenna and for 10kW the kitchen stove must= be connected in parallel, that could cause QRM with the XYL... ;-) Bu= t generally it would be interesting!?=20 What is the maximum power that is applied to an antenna yet? What have= you heard yet? I have applied 1kW in a bad antenna (=3D> abt 100mW ER= P), so 10kW would be possible when considering to stay in the legal li= mit. 10kW would be possible since one doesn't need a ferrite core that= has to keep the power (in Class E mode). In USA it would be even more= easy due to the fact that the 110V of the mains could just be rectifi= ed. Then I would take some STW12NK90Z in parallel and a IXDD414 and tr= y it with 15A antenna current ;-) Sorry, but in that hobby it is really easy to become euphoric. 73 and hope for fine qsos for us J Stefan / DK7FC ------=_NextPart_001_0039_01CA7D7B.10CD7470 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
From memory, and Ill stand to be corrected= - the higher=20 power stations Americas stations on 137Khz produced/are producing = ;around 3W=20 ERP (+ or minus 3dB for a ground constant Im having trouble with) from= Marconis'=20 and decent loops -  I cant recall anyone running much more= save=20 perhaps for VA7LF antipodes test  crowd (again apologies if Ive= callsign=20 wrong), or Ed and the Russian teams.
 
 
I know from the calcs and measurements this= is about=20 right for WD2XDW in Oklahoma which ran on a good day/week, with the wi= nd behind=20 around 40-50A of loop current, this from a Modded Purple Decca unit,= again from=20 a fading memory running around 1Kw output. I was about at my engineeri= ng limit=20 with the V/m and loop current at this power in a suburban lot.<= /DIV>
 
Man, Im getting RF lackitus having not shove= d anything=20 up a coax on LF for about 5 years 3D"Sad  Given= my present licence a 10KW tx still=20 would not  afford my max permit allowable ERP level on 137 with= my planned=20 Alaskan loop -  but never say never.
 
As far as noise sources are concerned from= the PC - I=20 really cant see anything on the frequencies of choice and solely limit= ed by=20 external out of my Faraday cage noise from the antennae =3D  now,= that=92s not=20 to say the Dell SMPSU's don=92t produce crud, and some of that does ge= t back, no=20 matter how much I choke and decouple -  but I must admit I= have a box=20 of them and choose my AC Power supply model for the band/bands of inte= rest - and=20 select one that doesn=92t give me a sproggi where its not wanted. Oh= for some time=20 to get a method of running and decoupling all the lines/screen/mouse= to and from=20 the PC so its completely quiet.
 
Laurence
KL1 X  WE 2 X Pee Kew.
 
 

Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:03 AM
Subject: AW: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10?

Dear LF,

I have done=20 some further thoughts/questions about the "gain" between the qrss=20 modes.

If the=20 "gain" or better said SNR between qrss30 and qrss3 is 10dB, so can I= do a QSO to=20 VK with 1W TX Power and an antenna efficiency of 1/1000 if I choose=20 QRSS10000000000? That=92s a litte jokingly formulated but you know wha= t I mean. In=20 other words, where are the limitations of this rule?

In CW I=20 think that rule cannot be valid because a dot in CW (say 20wpm) is muc= h shorter=20 than 0,3s but to my experience the =93gain=94 compared to qrss3 is not= even 10dB.=20 Furthermore a PC must be seen as a source of QRM, especially when conn= ected to=20 the antenna system (e.g. for switching a tx relay with the qrs-program= m) and RX=20 (even when using a insulating transformer for the AF), and so it alway= s brings a=20 =93negative gain=94, even when one uses 10s of ferrite cores=85=20   

And: I=20 always thought of the energy "waste" when applying 1kW (before 6 yrs= when I=20 became qrv with a much worse antenna) to the antenna and pumping 999,9= W into the=20 earth. But when I need 10x the time in qrss30 to do the qso with 100W,= the=20 needed energy is the same (compared to 1kW in qrss3). So, qsos could= be done=20 much faster if choosing 10x the power and stay in qrss3. The additiona= l=20 advantage would be, if I try to do a TA QSO I could just stay in the= region of=20 137.7 and those who are qrv in qrss3 and only watch the qrss3-sector= would get a=20 nice signal and thus more fascination for the LF-hobby (I often think= about the=20 LWLs watching my transmission when no one is answering my call ;-)).= In sum, the=20 needed energy (=3Dmoney) is the same but the needed time would be 10x= =20 less.

Of course,=20 there would be some problems like partial discharges due to the high= voltage at=20 the antenna and for 10kW the kitchen stove must be connected in parall= el, that=20 could cause QRM with the XYL... ;-) But generally it would be interest= ing!?=20

What is the=20 maximum power that is applied to an antenna yet? What have you heard= yet? I have=20 applied 1kW in a bad antenna (=3D> abt 100mW ERP), so 10kW would be= possible=20 when considering to stay in the legal limit. 10kW would be possible si= nce one=20 doesn't need a ferrite core that has to keep the power (in Class E mod= e). In=20 USA it would be even more easy due to the fact that th= e 110V=20 of the mains could just be rectified. Then I would take some STW12NK90Z=20 in parallel and a IXDD414=20 and try it with 15A antenna current ;-)

Sorry, but=20 in that hobby it is really easy to become euphoric=85

 

73 and hope=20 for fine qsos for us = J

Stefan /=20 DK7FC

=  

------=_NextPart_001_0039_01CA7D7B.10CD7470-- ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01CA7D7B.10CD7470 Content-Type: image/gif; name="Emoticon10.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: <86C9BC69AA594A268401190FF7908D1A@TGU5061A90051> R0lGODlhEwATALMPAPbw4Nm8W/XZSem3KtuvMvTjVvDHOeTKj7CLMdCbMO7JbqN/KbmfZp8/ H1MfDQAAACH5BAEAAA8ALAAAAAATABMAAASq8EkJjjJjqAOmf5VhCEUhiAT3AVfplicRdJRC vq6gy/RhFIHFIuAiCAmGFOhXWDgcC5cTikmEStMo9rkQJSy3BQCgbY67ScYIe5aeMQPEwBUc wowLZGYx0OF0gCIZBAgXgIeBggMJDAd9gAQJDZMJehkIDABIOpINlZ0JgwgdB0gGniKCkpcM FAGmqRmycZkTAK+zs4S1HhUJlQQDkQiYNB8gBwwIC5i8ExEAOw== ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01CA7D7B.10CD7470-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (rly-dc07.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.36]) by air-dc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC071-b314b179e3039f; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:17:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC075-b314b179e3039f; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:17:05 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NG9fH-0001IZ-Qq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:16:03 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NG9fG-0001IQ-MC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:16:02 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NG9fE-00040K-KP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:16:02 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (co02-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B789134580 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:15:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps02.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.138] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.58V) with ESMTP id XID444NLcLP34457X02; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:15:54 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.138 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps02.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID444NLcLP34457X02 Received: from [192.168.1.5] [151.47.217.200] by cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 377NLcLP16672M38; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:15:52 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.217.200 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.5] Message-ID: <4B179DE6.3050608@usa.net> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:15:50 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B16987B.9000002@usa.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID377NLcLP26672X38 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Roelof Bakker wrote: > Hello Alberto, > > I have used a large coffee tin (30 cm high and 27 cm diameter), for a > passive electric field probe. > The capacitance was way to high for active circuitry. Instead a rf > transformer wound on a hefty high mu toroid was used to couple the antenna > to the coaxial feedline. It worked, though the bandwidth was restricted to > LF and MF. > > An other example is using a small diecast alluminium box (50 x 50 x 30 mm) > with the buffer amplifier mounted inside. Hello Roelof, thanks for the info. Well, 30 x 27 cm was rather a big coffee tin... Who knows, may be a small beer can, those of 33cl, has the right capacity towards ground... must do an experiment. Suggestions about the brand of the beer are gladly accepted... :-) 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me01.mx.aol.com (rly-me01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.34]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME041-99c4b1ade7226e; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:28:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME018-99c4b1ade7226e; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:28:04 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NH35p-0008TL-Dj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:27:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NH35o-0008TC-V5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:27:08 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NH35o-0005SQ-9u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:27:08 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 05 Dec 2009 22:27:01 -0000 Received: from p5DC43D4D.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.196.61.77] by mail.gmx.net (mp023) with SMTP; 05 Dec 2009 23:27:01 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18TXCxCWC8TfByNF89nCnFS+Ang0+YCb/+c+NXLDl h+RaehfYuxpAEw Message-ID: <002301ca75fa$10f1db40$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <59DC6AF25071476FA37B42E3896BC627@radiorummet> <00aa01ca7548$de12ce70$0201a8c0@Clemens04> <9AF4BA15A6D94C3483BB006F4E38040B@radiorummet> <001a01ca758f$b9fba3d0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 23:26:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.5 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.3 required=5.0 tests=BEEN_TURNED_DOWN, LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Gus, LF, three spots so far (between the noise periods of the heating system). 2142 9 0.0 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2158 9 0.0 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2206 8 0.3 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 For some reason WSPR 1.12 did not upload (internet connection being ok). So I've just downloaded and installed V2.0. Let's see if it works for the rest of the night. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gus" To: Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 7:54 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz > Hi Andrey, Clemens and LF, > > thanks for the reports and info. > It is interesting to discover that long-range reception at very low power! > I only use the drive without the power amplifier stage. > Also this evening I will run WSPR beacon, QRG 137.650 kHz (Dial 136.150 > kHz). Power is the same as yesterday about 50 mW erp. > Grateful for all the reports which may be reported on, > > www.sm6bhz.com > > 73 de Gus SM6BHZ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrey rn3agc" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 10:45 AM > Subject: LF: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz > > >> Hello Gus, Clemens, LF, >> >> 0008 -28 0.9 0.137650 SM6BHZ JO57 17 >> 0024 -28 0.9 0.137650 SM6BHZ JO57 17 >> 0028 -28 0.9 0.137650 SM6BHZ JO57 17 >> >> I used WSPR 2.0. >> Dial 135.620, Rx BFO 2030 Hz - it really works. >> >> 73 Andrey >> >> >> Hi Clemens, >> >> thanks for your info and print my WSPR formerly of 137 kHz. >> Not bad considering the low power used! >> Luke just wants attention :-) >> I have now closed the transmitter for the night. >> >> Best 73 de Gus SM6BHZ >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Clemens Paul >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 2:17 AM >> Subject: LF: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz >> >> >> Hi GUs, >> >> see below: >> >> 2118 8 0.4 136.151499 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 >> 2138 9 0.6 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 >> 2144 8 0.7 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 >> 2218 7 0.6 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 >> 2222 8 0.7 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 >> 2226 9 0.8 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 >> >> As my internert connection has been broken during the last hours no data >> upload >> has taken place. >> Probably a few loggings are missing because I had to use my dipole for >> receiving whis is periodically disturbed when our heater is is on. >> My K9AY has been turned down this late afternoon by our three months old >> labrador 'Luke'. >> >> 73 >> Clemens >> DL4RAJ >> >> >> >> >> >> 73 >> Clemens >> DL4RAJ >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Gus >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:55 PM >> Subject: LF: WSPR on 137 kHz >> >> >> Hello LF-group, >> >> this evening i will transmit, WSPR on 137.650 kHz 136.150 kHz dial. >> Power abt 50 mW ERP. >> Transmitter start at 16:00 GMT >> All reports are welcome. >> You can also log on, >> >> www.sm6bhz.com >> >> 73 de Gus SM6BHZ >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. >> Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de >> Version: 9.0.709 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.93/2544 - Ausgabedatum: >> 12/04/09 08:32:00 >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.709 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.95/2546 - Ausgabedatum: 12/05/09 09:13:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df06.mx.aol.com (rly-df06.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.19]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF062-55a4b1c07d5346; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 14:37:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF065-55a4b1c07d5346; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 14:36:54 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHMtY-0005cB-5Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:35:48 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHMtX-0005c2-BH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:35:47 +0000 Received: from warsl404pip1.highway.telekom.at ([195.3.96.112] helo=email.aon.at) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHMtS-0001yA-JZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:35:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 6773 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2009 19:35:36 -0000 Received: from 91-115-29-63.adsl.highway.telekom.at (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([91.115.29.63]) (envelope-sender ) by smarthub93.highway.telekom.at (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 6 Dec 2009 19:35:35 -0000 From: Gerhard Hickl To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Disposition-Notification-To: gerhard.hickl@aon.at Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:35:34 +0100 Message-ID: <1260128134.2455.23.camel@gerhard-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Question to Antenna Experts Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-77zA/9qQ1Jy90nZy9md3" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --=-77zA/9qQ1Jy90nZy9md3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello folks! As some of you may have noticed, I became active on LF. My TX makes about 50W at 13,8V and the Antenna is a Marconi with multiple topload wires. Basically it consists of two 12m Fiber poles in a distance of abt. 50m (North to South). After about 20m from the feeding point, a 20m wire is connected in a nearly right angle. The end of this wire is in about 10m height to a tree. From the 2nd pole, a wire of 25m leads back to the roof of the house in an acute angle. End is also abt. 10m above ground. The end of both wires are at least 10m away from the tree and the roof to avoid losses due high voltage. The wire diameter is 3mm in the vertical section (11m) and 0,8mm for the first 20m, where the right angled wire diverges. From there all other wires are 0,6mm. The cable to the shack is RG58 abt. 25m long. The feeding point is behind the house and the loading coil is about 2,2mH made with insulated 3mm copper-wire wound on a plastic flower-pot of abt. 45cm diameter. It is placed on the roof of the a little shed. I use "Mini-VNA" to measure this antenna and I added a picture of todays measurement. As you can see, the SWR is abt. 1,8 at best because Z= abt. 30. I built a current transformer to measure the antenna current and calibrated it with the dummy. I have 140V p-p on the 50R and this is should produce a current of 1A. I used a Iron-Powder core, primary one turn, secondary is 14 turns and it shows a voltage of 1V after rectifying. Now, that I have it outside on the feeding point, it shows 2V which would means 2A....Thant seems a little bit high to me. Where does this error come from? I want to optimize the antenna regarding Impedance because it's only abt. 30R instead of 50R. Where should I start? More wires in the ground? Does this reduce Impedance or not? More topload? Thicker wires? You see, a lot of questions from somebody who is new to LF. Thank everybody who will take the time an read this long mail in advance. 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58-178-124-188.rev.pro-internet.pl [188.124.178.58] by poczta.o2.pl with ESMTP id YYfrMb; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:04:43 +0100 Message-ID: <003e01ca7b4d$307ac190$3ab27cbc@ap6fnsa53r3k6h> From: "Marcin" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC1F@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B23B319.9080005@usa.net> <4B23C4B5.10102@freenet.de> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:04:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-O2-Trust: 2, 69 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Japanese time&frequency station Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Wolf Whats stations copy your monitor to range: 22-50kHz? 73! Marcin SQ2BXI > Hi Alberto, > > I occasionally see a weak trace on 40 kHz using an indoor loop antenna, > but I am not convinced that this is a real 'DX' signal. > The signal I see is more than 10 dB down on NAU (40.75 kHz) from Puerto > Rico. > > Similar (negative) results currently on the 'Kiel Longwave Monitor' : > > http://df3lp.de/spec.png > > (compare magnitude for some US transmitters, at the moment there's > nothing on Peter's graph around 40 kHz. Same here). > > All the best and have a nice christmas season, > 73, Wolf . > > > Alberto di Bene schrieb: > > Is there anybody in Europe that was able to receive the Japanese > > time&frequency standard station at 40 kHz ? > > If yes, could you please give details about the equipments, especially > > the antenna, used ? > > > > I am trying since some time, night and day, but no luck so far.... > > > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-me10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-me10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.146]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG063-5f384b3bad54340; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:43:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-me10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 49AE63800457D; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 12:57:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQ2lp-0002pL-KE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:55:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQ2lp-0002pC-1n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:55:41 +0000 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQ2ln-0002HZ-7U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:55:41 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtQEAMMiO0tOlM/0/2dsb2JhbACNPwbJZYQxBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,476,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="381617728" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.148.207.244]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2009 17:55:30 +0000 Message-ID: <002901ca8979$46252cd0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:55:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Fw: WE2XGR/2 WE2XGR/6 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA8979.45E98360" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60924b3b9485494f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA8979.45E98360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: mal hamilton=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:53 PM Subject: Re: WE2XGR/2 WE2XGR/6 Jay and Bob I am going to have difficulty tonite hearing you on 507.3 because SM6B= HZ has a SSB beacon on this frequency at present and is S9 taking up= 3 Khz bandwidth 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 10:57 PM Subject: WE2XGR/2 WE2XGR/6 bOTH GOOD SIGNALS ON 507.3 CW, solid copy here at 2255utc mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA8979.45E98360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: mal hamilton=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: WE2XGR/2 WE2XGR/6

Jay and Bob
I am going to have difficulty tonite= hearing you on=20 507.3 because SM6BHZ has a SSB beacon on this frequency at present and= is S9=20 taking up 3 Khz bandwidth
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Tuesday, December 29,= 2009 10:57=20 PM
Subject: WE2XGR/2 WE2XGR/6

bOTH GOOD SIGNALS ON 507.3 CW, soli= d copy here at=20 2255utc
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------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA8979.45E98360-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc08.mx.aol.com (rly-mc08.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.92]) by air-mc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC042-d8c4b275f4e2; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 05:05:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC084-d8c4b275f4e2; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 05:05:04 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKUEP-0000JJ-2Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:02:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKUEO-0000JA-Gx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:02:12 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKUFg-0003vd-Uj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:03:35 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBFA3lLr016605 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:03:48 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:03:47 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:03:47 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC66@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <4B250D02.733.14E9A34@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Thread-Index: Acp8DFgK38Bq7atySNye8OlPWPt21QBWmdgw From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.624;14.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.15.95116 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA7D6D.E3900B19" Subject: AW: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7D6D.E3900B19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF,=20 I have done some further thoughts/questions about the "gain" between the= qrss modes. If the "gain" or better said SNR between qrss30 and qrss3 is 10dB, so can= I do a QSO to VK with 1W TX Power and an antenna efficiency of 1/1000 if= I choose QRSS10000000000? That's a litte jokingly formulated but you know= what I mean. In other words, where are the limitations of this rule?=20 In CW I think that rule cannot be valid because a dot in CW (say 20wpm) is= much shorter than 0,3s but to my experience the "gain" compared to qrss3= is not even 10dB. Furthermore a PC must be seen as a source of QRM, espec= ially when connected to the antenna system (e.g. for switching a tx relay= with the qrs-programm) and RX (even when using a insulating transformer= for the AF), and so it always brings a "negative gain", even when one use= s 10s of ferrite cores... =20 And: I always thought of the energy "waste" when applying 1kW (before 6 yr= s when I became qrv with a much worse antenna) to the antenna and pumping= 999,9W into the earth. But when I need 10x the time in qrss30 to do the= qso with 100W, the needed energy is the same (compared to 1kW in qrss3).= So, qsos could be done much faster if choosing 10x the power and stay in= qrss3. The additional advantage would be, if I try to do a TA QSO I could= just stay in the region of 137.7 and those who are qrv in qrss3 and only= watch the qrss3-sector would get a nice signal and thus more fascination= for the LF-hobby (I often think about the LWLs watching my transmission= when no one is answering my call ;-)). In sum, the needed energy (=3Dmone= y) is the same but the needed time would be 10x less. Of course, there would be some problems like partial discharges due to the= high voltage at the antenna and for 10kW the kitchen stove must be connec= ted in parallel, that could cause QRM with the XYL... ;-) But generally it= would be interesting!?=20 What is the maximum power that is applied to an antenna yet? What have you= heard yet? I have applied 1kW in a bad antenna (=3D> abt 100mW ERP), so= 10kW would be possible when considering to stay in the legal limit. 10kW= would be possible since one doesn't need a ferrite core that has to keep= the power (in Class E mode). In USA it would be even more easy due to the= fact that the 110V of the mains could just be rectified. Then I would tak= e some STW12NK90Z in parallel and a IXDD414 and try it with 15A an= tenna current ;-) Sorry, but in that hobby it is really easy to become euphoric... =20 73 and hope for fine qsos for us :-) Stefan / DK7FC =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7D6D.E3900B19 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear LF, <= /p>

= I have done some further thoughts/questions about the "gain" between the qrs= s modes.

= If the "gain" or better said SNR between qrss30 and qrss3 is 10dB, so= can I do a QSO to VK with 1W TX Power and an antenna efficiency of 1/1000 if I choo= se QRSS10000000000? That’s a litte jokingly formulated but you know wha= t I mean. In other words, where are the limitations of this rule?

= In CW I think that rule cannot be valid because a dot in CW (say 20wpm) is much shorter= than 0,3s but to my experience the “gain” compared to qrss3 is not= even 10dB. Furthermore a PC must be seen as a source of QRM, especially when connecte= d to the antenna system (e.g. for switching a tx relay with the qrs-programm)= and RX (even when using a insulating transformer for the AF), and so it always br= ings a “negative gain”, even when one uses 10s of ferrite coresR= 30; =A0=A0

= And: I always thought of the energy "waste" when applying 1kW (before 6 yrs wh= en I became qrv with a much worse antenna) to the antenna and pumping 999,9W into the earth. But when I need 10x the time in qrss30 to do the qso with 100W, the needed energy is the same (compared to 1kW in qrss3). So, qsos could be do= ne much faster if choosing 10x the power and stay in qrss3. The additional advantage would be, if I try to do a TA QSO I could just stay in the regio= n of 137.7 and those who are qrv in qrss3 and only watch the qrss3-sector would= get a nice signal and thus more fascination for the LF-hobby (I often think ab= out the LWLs watching my transmission when no one is answering my call ;-)).= In sum, the needed energy (=3Dmoney) is the same but the needed time would be= 10x less.

= Of course, there would be some problems like partial discharges due to the high volta= ge at the antenna and for 10kW the kitchen stove must be connected in parallel,= that could cause QRM with the XYL... ;-) But generally it would be interesting!= ?

= What is the maximum power that is applied to an antenna yet? What have you heard yet?= I have applied 1kW in a bad antenna (=3D> abt 100mW ERP), so 10kW would= be possible when considering to stay in the legal limit. 10kW would be possib= le since one doesn't need a ferrite core that has to keep the power (in Class= E mode). In USA it would be even more easy due to the fact that the 110V of the mains could just be rectified. Then= I would take some STW12NK90Z in parallel and a IXDD414 and try it with 15A antenna current ;-)

= Sorry, but in that hobby it is really easy to become euphoric…

=  

= 73 and hope for fine qsos for us J

= Stefan / DK7FC

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7D6D.E3900B19-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.80]) by air-di08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI082-eb674b38828d137; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 05:03:57 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3A352380000F6; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 05:03:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPCRJ-0004kb-AS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:03:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPCRJ-0004kS-09 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:03:01 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPCRG-0005D5-5b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:03:00 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB6F04C8194 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:02:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D26194C8101 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:02:51 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B38824B.2060604@online.fr> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:02:51 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002101ca870a$4dbb3e60$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <005901ca8794$834817d0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> <8AE96D3494964F45A4C2D5FE693D6C42@ns94d01ae4d850> In-Reply-To: <8AE96D3494964F45A4C2D5FE693D6C42@ns94d01ae4d850> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: LF grabber : CPM , XDV , WX , XGJ last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40504b38828c16e2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello LF , Last night good activity on 136/137 kHz ! I copy PA3CPM , G3XDV , DJ8WX on European band ! and WD2XGJ (qrp) on American band ! 73 and HNY Jean-Pierre f1afj From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df12.mx.aol.com (rly-df12.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.25]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF024-5974b1fa58ce9; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:26:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF126-5974b1fa58ce9; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:26:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIMY0-0001Wb-U5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:25:40 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIMY0-0001WQ-Et for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:25:40 +0000 Received: from web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.127]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIMY0-0007wL-Ao for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:25:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 66266 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Dec 2009 13:25:34 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1260365134; bh=OZZIAS9W2cLpF4F9ZBTBZVdbdkOfFcLapoxm/m6B0iU=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HFE+98VWXnEi+VODjOrhegvDXvQKzYg3JI+kZivLxg0UOMFoiwVkPDQozFg+1D1q+qZUN6qRjOennYcpkEZzKNcY0gzk6NO6hzVu0TgguuwUPbb6mWAjwokoAFj5xX1VCL+pBYizB8Ji4to0L53gIUqr/lSuXliG+3aMAU+WXjk= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=axDLq5p67OrbrVZ3CvnZ5qtVqOMO68JsGI5Un36rtEjn10EoFdCuLrUi8NwcaiIv8GFTfD9wysiTyNEH2ildPxib+hFJOWzNu69BFIZcq4+CcCH217Od13E2NQ8XkViiCiMJzGEXKgSakIpvHeHnPngcXYxpOMvxG5psJARGsms=; Message-ID: <911947.66114.qm@web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 7iILKQ4VM1m6Fa53dmphBFyGBRydDlwzHW1cQvc9fUC_kIfG8ynTlgqALHP5FpDotM4oGVeu7NU0N6bZjzoa2fO0GMH6tNa_REWChYPDC1otUD_7MxST1GDsrwOmutjvwEWEZxfbc_y2mHeCxEMD24Sis2GgFRwYu7tD0DSFz1Z6M0ULeLPNP3.N6.WivSLPvZ2Ur8F5A3mpushWOFC96Jv9a_4sKipXulWicSZNBuknN2pXwhIZ0_ExiQ4eeD5euUe9jJ9Fei5OWBo3U6VI Received: from [86.152.84.183] by web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 05:25:34 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 05:25:34 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <539393.64347.qm@web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: Got him !!!SAQ Testing Now Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-784885026-1260365134=:66114" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,PLING_PLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m288.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-784885026-1260365134=:66114 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Got him 17 or so dB over the noise here best I can measure 17.235 some pul= ling on key down. FB signal here IO91UX. =A0 Nice to get an unscheduled copy . vy 73 de M0FMT. --- On Wed, 9/12/09, M0FMT wrote: From: M0FMT Subject: Re: LF: SAQ Testing Now To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 13:11 Maybe too late but nothing heard hear IO91UX Hitchin Herts UK. ..... Four= Alpha stations loud and clear a bit further down the band though..... Con= ditions have improved ! =A0 73 Petefmt =A0 --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Johan H. Bodin wrote: From: Johan H. Bodin Subject: Re: LF: SAQ Testing Now To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 12:46 Still testing at 1247 UTC Johan SM6LKM Lee Hudson wrote: > 17.2kHz >=A0=20 > Lee. > M0LMH. =20 --0-784885026-1260365134=:66114 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Got him 17 or so dB over the noise her= e best I can measure 17.235 some pulling on key down. FB signal here IO91U= X.
 
Nice to get an unscheduled copy . vy 73 de M0FMT.

--- On We= d, 9/12/09, M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

From: M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
Subje= ct: Re: LF: SAQ Testing Now
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date:= Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 13:11

Maybe too late but nothing heard hear IO91UX Hitchin Herts UK. .....= Four Alpha stations loud and clear a bit further down the band though....= . Conditions have improved !
 
73 Petefmt
 


--- On Wed, 9/12/09, Johan H. Bodin <jh.bodin@telia.= com> wrote:

From: Johan H. Bodin <jh.bodin@telia.com>= ;
Subject: Re: LF: SAQ Testing Now
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<= BR>Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 12:46

Still testing at 1247 UTC
Johan SM6LKM

Le= e Hudson wrote:
> 17.2kHz
> 
> Lee.
> M0LMH.=



=20 --0-784885026-1260365134=:66114-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (rly-dd01.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.148]) by air-dd03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD033-b5e4b2e5e1442; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:25:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD018-b5e4b2e5e1442; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:25:41 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMPRw-0007cJ-Jp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:20:08 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMPRw-0007cA-8F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:20:08 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMPWX-0005nY-RY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:24:54 +0000 Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091220172448.RXPF27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:24:48 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091220172448.ENZN13254.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:24:48 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:24:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B2E5DDD.19628.1BDFE41@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1ggfb5FlKZQUfF3vzm9UBYZ2uTfLsbs/8dSljwg5+mE= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=vT8PKvnxHyXuXN1BiR4A:9 a=t1RM1LN9gvrloho0qRAA:7 a=AxxYOnBSbmABFWvSNMkF3i_MDWUA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: test this afternoon Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 A successful test this afternoon has proved my new safety timer that cuts off the transmitter if it has been sending continuously for more than 7 minutes. This gives me more confidence to transmit overnight (after a worrying overheating incident a couple of weeks ago) and I will run some night-time beacons as soon as the weather becomes more reliable - more snow forecast here tonight. MIke, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc09.mx.aol.com (rly-mc09.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.93]) by air-mc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC012-d984b20bd732be; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:21:08 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC098-d984b20bd732be; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:20:53 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIfBD-0000ea-Us for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:19:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIfBD-0000eR-H1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:19:23 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIfBB-0001PU-Sz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:19:23 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBA8bMge014658 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:37:22 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:19:18 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:19:21 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ABE4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: TX-2200A Thread-Index: Acp45V0xXH9jYfyyTCub+PZ5maAOjQAkfivw From: =?windows-1258?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.614;09.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.10.90924 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1258" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: LF: AW: TX-2200A X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Warren, LF,=20 Tnx for the info!=20 I am not "afraid" that now many OMs come on the band who just bought their= rig, like on HF. Even if you could buy a loading coil, you never will get= qrv satisfactorily cause you always have to consider many things like the= earth, the local noise reduction, the impedance transformation to 50 Ohm= and so on. These OMs, even if they could buy a automatic tuner (that would not be eas= y to create as a commercial product) for LF, would be frustrated soon caus= e there are no contests and no 100s of stns calling on the band ;-) They= would say "LF is dead, just nerving qrm" and would never get the fascinat= ion that we all experience. Finally I don't understand why this PA has just 100W. To reach 1W ERP, mos= t LFers have to apply 1kW and more, so 100W is QRP on LF ;-). 1kW can easi= ly be reached on LF without using expensive special transistors and driver= s and ferrite cores. E.g. with one simple IRFP360 we can built a 1kW high= efficiency calss d or e PA that costs not even 50=80... These difficulties to get qrv is one part of the LF hobby and if they are= solved, one can be glad even without doing 100s of qsos in one evening :-= ) Stefan / DK7FC -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von Warren Ziegler Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. Dezember 2009 16:30 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: TX-2200A Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver muting. Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG083-a234b250da11c4; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:52:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG075-a234b250da11c4; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:52:02 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJqiW-0004Zn-My for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:50:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJqiW-0004Zc-AP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:50:40 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJqiz-0004YD-Sp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:51:12 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 13 Dec 2009 15:51:08 -0000 Received: from p5DD35FDD.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.211.95.221] by mail.gmx.net (mp071) with SMTP; 13 Dec 2009 16:51:08 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/N51lmO/XNi0JF20gvJ7RKqggIJbvO+sC7nZ3YrI BN+McMpdt3nWG2 Message-ID: <007b01ca7c0c$167e7b00$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> <241919.87622.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9afca2640912130305r3acb5e5fs991caaa1115d2255@mail.gmail.com> <6E7638745A1B43168C402CDBB010C2A7@AGB> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:50:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.54 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: IK1HSS WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Are you sure abt the frequencies? I think with "carrier" you mean the dial qrg,i.e. 136.420. If so, 137.740 is 80Hz below the wspr band. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marco IK1ODO" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 4:29 PM Subject: LF: IK1HSS WSPR > IK1HSS is active in WSPR on 137.740 (signal frequency, carrier is at 136.420). > ERP power is 50 mW from JN35TB. > > Reports are appreciated to ik1hss@arrl.net ! > > 73 - Marco IK1ODO > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG uberpruft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.716 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.105/2561 - Ausgabedatum: 12/12/09 20:39:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de06.mx.aol.com (rly-de06.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.142]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE041-4e14b2575d069; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:16:55 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE064-4e14b2575d069; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:16:35 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJxeX-0002Mk-Oj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:15:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJxeX-0002Mb-EJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:15:01 +0000 Received: from mcgi59.rambler.ru ([81.19.67.8]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJxf8-0007Jp-Kk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:15:42 +0000 Received: from [81.195.12.12] by mcgi59.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Mon, 14 Dec 2009 02:15:42 +0300 From: Roman RW3ADB To: Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 02:15:42 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <4B25716B.8050408@usa.net> Message-Id: <287322340.1260746142.103019144.47168@mcgi59.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (untone), http://mail.rambler.ru X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: DI2AM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Are the same and some instability in freq some time Visible good on the my grabber now. 505.183 I check specially today. Roman * Alberto di Bene [Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:57:47 +0100]: > "Dogbones" signal for DI2AM at 505.185 (but may be I am off a > bit...) > > \ > > 73 Alberto i2PHD -- Roman RW3ADB. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da07.mx.aol.com (rly-da07.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.81]) by air-da04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA043-a7d4b22ddc21e5; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:03:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA075-a7d4b22ddc21e5; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:03:16 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJFRJ-0003lo-Qw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:02:25 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJFRI-0003le-Vi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:02:25 +0000 Received: from qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.40]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJFRG-000472-9I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:02:24 +0000 Received: from OMTA12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.44]) by QMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Fz0f1d00J0xGWP85402GpP; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:02:16 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([76.23.233.102]) by OMTA12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id G02G1d00B2DDHkk3Y02GKN; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:02:16 +0000 Message-ID: <004101ca7abe$5cd861a0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <001901ca7ab9$f82c4630$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <4B22D7EF.7070908@inext.at> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:02:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 2.3 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,EXTRA_MPART_TYPE=0.815,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=0.93,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: ID of station on 137775.25? Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01CA7A94.73EA8BE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01CA7A94.73EA8BE0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_003B_01CA7A94.73EA8BE0" ------=_NextPart_001_003B_01CA7A94.73EA8BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ossi Austria is a new country in my 137 kHz reception logbook! Curious about the details of your transmitting station - transmitter power, antenna, etc. Thank you for the 137 kHz transmissions. Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: Oberreiter Oswald To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 6:38 PM Subject: Re: LF: ID of station on 137775.25? hallo jay thanks fere report was transmiting only my nr 5 5 5 5 5 ... 73 oe5odl ossi jrusgrove@comcast.net schrieb: Very strong copy of '5' earlier. Curious who this might be. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------=_NextPart_001_003B_01CA7A94.73EA8BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ossi
 
Austria is a new country in my 137 kH= z reception=20 logbook! Curious about the details of your transmitting station - tran= smitter=20 power, antenna, etc.
 
Thank you for the 137 kHz=20 transmissions.
 
Jay
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Oberreite= r Oswald=20
Sent: Friday, December 11, 20= 09 6:38=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: ID of statio= n on=20 137775.25?

hallo jay thanks fere report  was transmiting on= ly my nr 5=20 5 5 5 5 ...
73 oe5odl ossi

jrusgrove@comcast.net<= /A> schrieb:=20
Very=20 strong copy of '5' earlier. Curious who this might be.

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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc10.mx.aol.com (rly-mc10.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.94]) by air-mc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC011-d994b1a30e021d; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 05:07:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC101-d994b1a30e021d; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 05:07:30 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGrWx-0005UB-9R for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 10:06:23 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGrWw-0005U2-FZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 10:06:22 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s9.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGrWv-0003pL-2G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 10:06:22 +0000 Received: from BLU146-DS6 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s9.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 5 Dec 2009 02:06:10 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [221.198.86.16] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: To: Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 10:06:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2009 10:06:10.0252 (UTC) FILETIME=[91A2C8C0:01CA7592] X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: PA0RDT probe Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA7592.908AF020" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA7592.908AF020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Loads of discussion recently so I thought Id share the final location= of my PA0RDT probe - this photo taken at sunset today. http://kl1x.co= m/by3akl1x.jpg The braid of the coax from the probe is bonded to th= e balcony which is bonded to the building rebar. At 137Khz this bonding knocks off some 30dB of noise - power supply fo= r the probe is lead acid battery, some 14V. Common mode choke of some= 30T of RG174 before the power injector and Im using just a 4T primary= and secondary type 77 material as the isolating transformer before th= e 50ohm feed to the R75. This is pretty good and flat from 100Khz up= to 15Mhz using the AIM, even heard JA's on 6m! The power injector has 3mH lossy dark Green toriod material if I do us= e an external supply and decoupled using 0.1 polyprops ( as KL 1 X is= wired) -=20 Unwanted Noise injection is still there and comes from a) the Dell AC= PSU - though I have a box of them and choose one that doesn't put a= spoggy on my LF/MF freq - this DC supply again in choked and decouple= d which helps a bit b) serial cable from PC to R75 - tried multiple turns on lossy toroid= which improves things but not perfect. c) slight coupling from the un= used wire input terminal on the R75 if your radio room is located in= a very noisy environment. Picture of present "array" the total length of the copper clad and fli= msy 16 guage wire is 25cms. I employ a 7 element 500Khz LPF between= power injector and the receiver. The key is the coax bonding here - In Alaska the house is wooden fram= e and I don't have much to bond too, though I do bond to anything I ca= n rebar wise. A few 8ft rods and in line chokes help a bit but theres'= nothing like a full Faraday cage which this place has.=20 73 Laurence, bags packed. BY3A KL1X Tanggu China OM89UA=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA7592.908AF020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Loads of discussion recently so I thought Id= share the=20 final location of my PA0RDT probe - this photo taken at sunset today.&= nbsp;http://kl1x.com/by3= akl1x.jpg  =20  The braid of the coax from the probe is bonded to the balcony wh= ich is=20 bonded to the building rebar.
 
At 137Khz this bonding knocks off some 30dB= of noise -=20 power supply for the probe is lead acid battery, some 14V. Common mode= choke of=20 some 30T of RG174 before the power injector and Im using just a 4T pri= mary and=20 secondary type 77 material as the isolating transformer before the 50o= hm feed to=20 the R75. This is pretty good and flat from 100Khz up to 15Mhz using th= e AIM,=20 even heard JA's on 6m!
 
The power injector has 3mH lossy dark Green= toriod=20 material if I do use an external supply and decoupled using 0.1= =20 polyprops ( as KL 1 X is wired) -
 
Unwanted Noise injection is still there and= comes from=20 a) the Dell AC PSU - though I have a box of them and choose one that= doesn=92t put=20 a spoggy on my LF/MF freq - this DC supply again in choked and decoupl= ed which=20 helps a bit
b) serial cable from PC to R75 - tried multi= ple turns on=20 lossy toroid which improves things but not perfect. c) slight coupling= from the=20 unused wire input terminal on the R75 if your radio room is located in= a very=20 noisy environment.
 
Picture of present "array" the total length= of the=20 copper clad and flimsy 16 guage wire is 25cms. I employ a 7 element&nb= sp; 500Khz=20 LPF between power injector and the receiver.
 
The key is the coax bonding here -  In= Alaska the=20 house is wooden frame and I don=92t have much to bond too, though I do= bond to=20 anything I can rebar wise. A few 8ft rods and in line chokes help a bi= t but=20 theres' nothing like a full Faraday cage which this place has.
 
73
Laurence, bags packed.
 
BY3A KL1X Tanggu China OM89UA
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA7592.908AF020-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (rly-mf02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.172]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF081-9474b1f9c88337; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 07:48:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF025-9474b1f9c88337; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 07:48:10 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NILwj-00013t-Kv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:47:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NILwj-00013k-7e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:47:09 +0000 Received: from pne-smtpout2-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.164]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NILwi-0002dt-M8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:47:09 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (81.235.167.68) by pne-smtpout2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (7.3.140.3) (authenticated as u33233109) id 4A5BC8BE00FDD276 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:47:02 +0100 Message-ID: <4B1F9C43.2050204@telia.com> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:46:59 +0100 From: "Johan H. Bodin" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: SAQ Testing Now Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Still testing at 1247 UTC Johan SM6LKM Lee Hudson wrote: > 17.2kHz > > Lee. > M0LMH. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.139]) by air-da04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA043-863c4b3d14be13e; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:16:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8F6EF3800007B; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:16:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQSMV-0006r6-EK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 21:15:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQSMV-0006qx-3W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 21:15:15 +0000 Received: from smtpa1.mediabeam.com ([194.25.41.13] helo=smtpa2.mediabeam.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQSMT-0000lH-10 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 21:15:15 +0000 Received: from UMS02-SMTP1 (balancer4.mediabeam.com [194.25.41.40]) by smtpa2.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nBVLF5a0020139 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 22:15:07 +0100 From: "Uwe Jannsen" To: Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 22:14:59 Message-ID: <0C5407D90C1F150E3B3CF@kabelmail.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-PRIORITY: 3 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,INVALID_DATE=1.76 Subject: LF: phenomenon Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408b4b3d14b72fae X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi all, have got a problem with one of my TXs, that one with the ZL1BPU exciter (GPS disciplined =13 10Mhz and 1PPS). pse see http://dj8wx-dl.de/phenomenon dogbones within the signs =13 means a break of uSeconds or Seconds I gues= s.=20 they are visible with and without the PA switched on.=20 erased and newly loaded EEPROMS (AT90S2313, ATTiny2313) didn=19t=20 repair anything. ask the lowfers for comments I thought before opening the box and=20 take measurements. thanks in advance regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (rly-mb01.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.154]) by air-mb01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB012-ce74b194b611b8; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:48:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB013-ce74b194b611b8; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:48:18 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGcFY-0000Yk-T2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:47:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGcFY-0000Yb-Fu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:47:24 +0000 Received: from smtp831.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.13.166]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGcFX-000646-S7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:47:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 99819 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2009 17:47:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=kqi6HqIwaEOM6KfekhDEl95XlEkFtZOi3K6s3vGcQBkUly04ToVPbI94K71xBVIBzCltVnGWiU2Ui87N9qsQwPbzwF0LZ4r42DA/ABaVs0uK0WSJ+k/YmR8x4P/4DIDnQzy+KdudAmkpMflyaaT3iWNgBcCqZ/Kr+/B8VeFOwu0= ; Received: from unknown (HELO IBM7FFA209F07C) (c.ashby435@86.168.221.246 with login) by smtp831.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 17:47:17 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9STUSnaswBBSd6nO_2gAC20jmYlWRjmg8d5iYd8s.rl181aR6Sw- X-YMail-OSG: vfMMJ9YVM1nlLH2r6bXiNwkufIOtOb4vZ9LSwBc.8DFOITXi9Ko1Y.sLYIL8XewHOvauYa4LExFnyRN8HIUNDR.ZgijGCdMx_4MBTLMYrYrDDg_9OQGgyd2dlZSzblSGwNOYtmPJAbSRsgLrJyjp8ZcJY6BcARjQXEzh9z36O3FuiNvcKnluBuv_Jhl_2XR.TbW6.LOGfBDXZldZ8sqO0qCb.JngFIAfYeutJSPR X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4A756ED878C74C52A8B76CF8370CCED7@IBM7FFA209F07C> From: "Chris" To: References: <000d01ca74fb$f884b360$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <002001ca7508$26af20c0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:47:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Whi is MCP? Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Thanks Andrey, but, no, it was too good a signal to make that mistake! Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: LF: Re: Whi is MCP? > Hello Chris, > Probably, "CPM"? It could be Henny PA3CPM. > > 73 Andrey > > > Thanks Mal, what I want to know is who was transmitting 'MCP' in QRSS on > approx. 136.518kHz this morning. Nobody seems to know. How are you > supposed to find out who these abbreviated callsigns are? Maybe there > should be/is a database somewhere?? > Sri the 'Whi' in my subject should have been 'Who'. > Chris, G4AYT. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mal hamilton > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:08 PM > Subject: LF: Re: Whi is MCP? > > > Chris > All the action every nite is around 137.7 on QRS 3 normally also DFCW and > some CW further down the band. > Several stns active most nites, lately HB9, OE, OH, EW6, SP and RU etc > If u want a QSO look in this area. I am also active especially if there > is DX about. > mal/g3lev > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris > To: RSGB LF Group > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:04 PM > Subject: LF: Whi is MCP? > > > Hi All, > Can anyone tell me who was sending MCP on approx. 136.518kHz this > morning? Thanks. > Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent. > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db07.mx.aol.com (rly-db07.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.82]) by air-db08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB082-ad74b1d2ae43d2; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:19:08 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB075-ad74b1d2ae43d2; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:18:46 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHgHi-0002Fn-Pe for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:18:02 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHgHi-0002FW-4l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:18:02 +0000 Received: from nina.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.76]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHgHg-0008SB-Gm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:18:02 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by nina.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nB7GHrQO002630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 12:47:53 -0330 Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 12:47:53 -0330 (NST) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <1523739247@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: Correct test time Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-1719232024-1231066341-1260202673=:504" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ---1719232024-1231066341-1260202673=:504 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE And VX9MRC will beacon on 507.77 kHz CW before and after. 73 Joe VO1NA On Mon, 7 Dec 2009, Andy Talbot wrote: > Clear enough..... > 2009/12/09 2300z through to 2009/12/10 0100z . > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health > and safety police > > > > 2009/12/7 Horst St=F6cker : >> As I wrote before: The flyer says from 9.12. 23 UTC to 10.12. 1 UTC. >> Horst >> >>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: "Chris" >>> Gesendet: 07.12.09 14:28:16 >>> An: "RSGB LF Group" >>> Betreff: LF: Correct test time >> >> Hi All, >>> Re: Test DDH47 147.3 QRSS3. >>> This has now got VERY confusing. Is the transmission one hour UTC >>> either side of midnight 9th into 10th, or one hour UTC either side of >>> midnight 10th into 11th December? >>> Incidentally, my first message along these lines got a failure notice, >>> it said "This message scored 4.5 spam points - rejected". No comment >>> necessary! >>> >>> Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent. >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! >> http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ >> >> >> > > ---1719232024-1231066341-1260202673=:504-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.15]) by air-ma07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA071-b52c4b3338bd39d; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 04:47:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D414F38000142; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 04:47:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNkHB-0007fa-PZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:46:33 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNkHB-0007fR-Bh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:46:33 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNkHA-0000On-EO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:46:33 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.4]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091224094127.BCFL17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:41:27 +0000 Received: from [86.27.92.51] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNkCE-0001w6-TI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:41:27 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <4B3328FF.1000303@junkshifta.co.uk> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:41:20 -0000 Message-ID: <031201ca847d$3f968d10$0217aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcqEdNGJ5GuI/9geQTqYj5svTiDfbQAAzQ8gAAFID7A= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=HqCyFky-AAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=9h1oTapCOFi4V8hbF4UA:9 a=6ZcYYYo0TVxqf19nL6kA:7 a=fxoeSM-Fg4sJIc1438a-G3-UkcIA:4 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=ajpCxL-fKZX_8Rg4:21 a=Y9BONhxKequjegzW:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: RE: saq Christmas transmission Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: S x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410f4b3338bc00e2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Slept in and missed it!!!! (Red wine!!) Are they on air again at 16.00 utc??? -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Lee Hudson Sent: 24 December 2009 09:06 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: saq Christmas transmission Hi Simon, LF Group Just put this recording on the web of the SAQ transmision. Not as good as the ones earlier in the month. http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/SAQ%2020091224%200800utc%20Message.MP3 73, Lee M0LMH. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Simon Newhouse Sent: 24 December 2009 08:41 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: saq Christmas transmission Hello group, Has anyone made a recording of the SAQ broadcast this morning ? I thought I had got it only to find that the soft ware was only recording up to 5khz GRRRRRrrr.. That'll teach me to check my settings. Any way the idea was to decode it at my leisure as I'm just learning morse. If any one has a recording that they could post to me I'd be very greatful. Thanks in advance. Simon M0NWY. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.117/2583 - Release Date: 12/23/09 19:02:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (rly-dc06.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.35]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC024-b294b38c21190; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:35:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC065-b294b38c21190; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:34:58 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPGfe-0005BZ-Fx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:34:06 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPGfe-0005BQ-3e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:34:06 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPGfc-0003NT-RD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:34:06 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBSEY3YS011381 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:34:03 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:34:02 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:34:02 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AD08@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <58773.51665.qm@web86507.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: OE5ODL Thread-Index: AcqG64Qf9ZhDaM5lQO2qEJ4h/8YKTQA3xLXg From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.648;28.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.28.142417 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: LF: OE5ODL X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hey Ossi,=20 I just saw your 2W test on the DF6NM Grabber. Do you mean 2W TX power or= 2W ERP? ;-) If it`s 2W TX power, I have to congratulate to your antenna!! 73, Stefan From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da10.mx.aol.com (rly-da10.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.84]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA034-a924b2e638c3d7; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:49:14 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA102-a924b2e638c3d7; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:49:02 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMPoH-0007lk-EL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:43:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMPoG-0007lb-Of for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:43:12 +0000 Received: from relay2.ptmail.sapo.pt ([212.55.154.22]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMPs4-0006Rc-A1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:47:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 11684 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2009 17:47:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sapo.pt) (10.134.37.163) by relay2 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2009 17:47:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 16232 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2009 17:47:53 -0000 X-AntiVirus: PTMail-AV 0.3-0.95.1 X-Scan-Status: AV clean (0.07700 seconds); AS clean (1.28991 seconds); Received: from unknown (HELO QuadCore) (hpessoa@sapo.pt@[85.244.3.194]) (envelope-sender ) by mta13 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 20 Dec 2009 17:47:52 -0000 Message-ID: <34D8C3CB356E438394A7E57208C70ABC@QuadCore> From: "Henrique Pessoa" To: References: <914980.30417.qm@web28108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <004e01ca8008$e5c13a60$6402a8c0@e7010> <1261186970.19260.12.camel@pat-compaq-evo> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:47:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091220-0, 20-12-2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: Re: LF: Re: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band) Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hear Hear Hear Hear Henrique CT1HX ----- Original Message ----- From: "g4gvw" To: Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 1:42 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band) > Hi All, > > As someone who used to be professionally engaged in negotiating with the > aforesaid regulator in its many incarnations/reincarnations prior to > becoming Ofcomm, believe me it ain't easy! > > However, it is appreciated that each country and legislation, have their > own (sometimes peculiar) approaches to the problems posed by demanding > spectrum allocation. > > Some of us are extremely fortunate to have the talented and tenacious > advocates that achieve so much against often quite incredible pressures > from other interests. > > What is often forgotten is that some of these guys are doing this work > unrewarded, in their own time and sometimes at odds with the commercial > interests of their employers! > > For obvious reasons they cannot say this stuff on their own behalf but > maybe, at this seasonal time we can all raise a glass and say THANK YOU! > > > > > On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 18:20 +0000, Graham wrote: >> Tnx Walter >> >> Yes , we seem to of done quite well considering , I think the only >> gray area was the approach / marketing of the allocation where as >> operations where initially viewed as a follow on from 136 and as >> such its possible that it did not attract a wider response, where >> as it very soon became apparent that the band was more similar >> to 1.8 MHz in terms of coverage and the requirements for large >> arrays and power level did not materialise and in fact the compact >> array has provided most if not all of the Dx worked on the band to >> date , ''even'' Gus is using a antenna system that is within >> the boundary of his own house and is still fractional compared to >> the wave length, once I had modified my old 80 ft total inverted L >> with loading coil and top capacity section , 50 to 100 watts >> provided amazing coverage and performance on 1.8 & 3.5 also >> increased significantly .. unintended consequence ! >> >> Back in the 1970's a old friend of mine , long passed, who >> introduced me to vhf radio 2 & 4 mtr am G3SX always maintained >> that the 500 K / 600 mtr band was the original armature band in >> the period between the 1914/1945 war's and the marine service, >> once spark had been phased out , took over the band and forced the >> armature operation hf to the new fangled 1.8 and higher >> >> So may be the tapping gang where just keeping it free for us >> after all .. 70 years was long enough ! >> >> 73 - G .. >> >> >> From: Walter und Marianne Staubach >> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 5:38 PM >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: LF: Re: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 >> kHz band) >> >> >> Congrats to All on MF in G-Land. I would like we had RSGB and OFCOM in >> Germany. >> Merry Christmas >> Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: M0FMT >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 12:39 PM >> Subject: LF: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501 to >> 504 kHz band) >> >> >> FYI 16|12|09 >> Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band) >> Following representations made by the Radio Society of Great >> Britain and negotiations by Ofcom with the Maritime and >> Coastguard Agency, Ofcom has decided to extend the period of >> Notices of Variation (NoVs) to the licence for operation in >> the 501 to 504 kHz band until 29 February 2012. The maximum >> effective radiated power (e.r.p.) limit is maintained at 10 >> dBW (10 W). Existing NoVs are due to expire at the end of >> February 2010. >> There have been no reports of interference and investigation >> has shown that a radiated power of 10 dBW is not likely to >> cause interference. Moreover, NoV holders are permitted to >> operate only subject to causing no interference. >> Special Research Permits under a Notice of Variation to the >> Licence are made available to holders of Full Amateur Licences >> on a case by case basis to applicants who can demonstrate a >> genuine interest in experimentation at these frequencies and >> provide adequate supporting documentation for assessment. >> Due to the usage of the spectrum around the 500 kHz bands, >> applicants should pay special attention to demonstrating >> technical and operational competence in terms of transmitting >> within the frequency band and Effective Radiated Power >> (e.r.p.) parameters agreed with Ofcom. Previous experience at >> 73 kHz as well as 136 kHz will be considered desirable in this >> respect to ensure adequate steps are taken to limit any >> potential interference. >> Ofcom will monitor any interference reports and also consider >> limiting numbers if necessary in reviewing operation in the >> band. On no account will an e.r.p. level of greater than 10 >> dBW be permitted under any circumstance. >> The standard application form (OfW306) for a Special Research >> Permit can be downloaded at: >> >> http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/applications/ofw306.pdf >> A fresh NoV will automatically be issued to existing NoV >> holders; new applications are not required in this instance. >> Should a fresh NoV not be required or if you are in possession >> of an NoV which is not required, please inform the Ofcom >> Licensing Centre stating your name, call sign and Licence >> number preferably by e-mail to licensingcentre@ofcom.org.uk or >> alternatively by post to the address at the end of the text. >> Form OfW306 is also available on request from the Ofcom >> Licensing Centre at: >> Ofcom Licensing Centre >> Amateur Radio >> Riverside House >> 2a Southwark Bridge Road >> London SE1 9HA >> Tel: 020 7981 3131 >> >> 73 es GL petefmt >> >> >> > -- > 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw > qth nr felixstowe uk > (east coast, county of suffolk) > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md07.mx.aol.com (rly-md07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.145]) by air-md07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD074-9184b2053612c5; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:48:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD078-9184b2053612c5; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:48:19 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIY7U-0007Sp-Tq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:47:04 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIY7T-0007Sg-Kd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:47:03 +0000 Received: from mcgi29.rambler.ru ([81.19.67.195]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIY7P-0004rq-OP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:47:02 +0000 Received: from [91.77.91.188] by mcgi29.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:46:58 +0300 From: Roman RW3ADB To: Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:46:58 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <57a24ca70912091153iaa6a489ia1a35bc98f56233a@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: <903410816.1260409618.167111552.23497@mcgi29.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (untone), http://mail.rambler.ru X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 507.77 kHz Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 CW or QRSS, Joe? * jcraig@mun.ca [Wed, 9 Dec 2009 17:43:24 -0330 (NST)]: > VX9MRC is sending a 'ceremonial' transmission until 2300 and again > at 0100 following the DDH47 transmissions on 147.3 kHz. Reports most > welcomed! > > 73 > Joe VO1NA > > -- Roman RW3ADB. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf01.mx.aol.com (rly-mf01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.171]) by air-mf07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF071-9424b279a17189; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:16:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF018-9424b279a17189; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:15:53 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKY9B-00053K-Ui for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:13:05 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKY9B-00053B-GD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:13:05 +0000 Received: from smtp819.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.19]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKYAr-00043Q-67 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:14:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 56428 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2009 14:14:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=ryAq1gMiOJ+SSMfuzwJDZwDYOVQmtThGs4dKyLZrxTmpmNdEu+4NupmocEGp/hb6vqQnOzOWrJzyIeJdX69FvURYL7MFpwmzIM4Tja2tENKalyA5Bsj5KjLLiPREiQ3fXLO1IiP9AlMf9kCoJ5LAXkbuDQgNivWlDUWf5IW6rlg= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.179.135.6 with login) by smtp819.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2009 14:14:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: E_uvkJYVM1mjiddVgel2yKD_9qH7cEGtMlD38AXI6sBIb46jfinmpIaQtQ.ICpMLaxrJIrunjDgBHJMscJCkOUreceO9H4zc7y093yhHcy9xpDG0kyHyt0J5KYnH8gtjfyEyMRvP4S5t3py69Aqi1Cf153mfqkPAFJlq61c4eI8ZcFPw.DZAaVkd27vIJP_II.tPXzhGgwwQaDN3ZwwxrzUl7cJZl9adXKFObIdGMWoEEiT7or0gZsiPQTEh34.Jlnt1hE4AtqlHHvmfFIKTn_jDvhfvdDytedxuFaUdZ7qsRhti X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC77@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC77@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:14:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10 / PA design Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Stefan, LF Group, A much better choice of circuit topology for QRO transmitters using an off-line rectified mains PSU of about 330V is the half- or full bridge, voltage-mode class D, as used in the "Decca" PAs, and G4JNT's off-line design. Here the peak voltage across each MOSFET is only equal to the DC supply voltage, so cheap 500V Mosfets designed for off-line SMPSUs are ideal. The class E and push-pull current-mode class D designs are better for relatively low voltage supplies, say < 40V. The limitation on TX power that can be used at LF with a vertical antenna is the antenna voltage, roughly Iant * XCant. In my experience, corona breakdown becomes a problem in the 10 - 20kV range with a wire antenna. So to use high power, and so achieve high antenna current and ERP, you need high antenna capacitance. Also, the voltage will be increased if the antenna loss resistance is low. I found that, with an 10m high inverted L antenna of about 50m of wire in total, I could run 1.2kW reliably, provided care was taken to eliminate sharp ends, narrow spacings, etc. in the antenna and tuner. This resulted in up to 5A antenna current, and about 17kV on the antenna wire. Even so, I have to increase the antenna height in order to approach 1W ERP. At 500k, the antenna impedance is much lower, and efficiency also usually higher, so TX power is less of a problem. In my experience, DX contacts using QRSS30 are quite practical, given a large supply of strong coffee! But with longer dot periods, good propagation does not last long enough to complete even a minimal QSO. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 12:44 PM Subject: AW: AW: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Yes, you are right. But i mean i USA, where the voltage is 110V, you get about 155V and thus the 900V FET would have 6 times more. For a class e mode PA, 4x the voltage can be reached when SWR is correct(!) so there would be a goog savety factor. 73, Stefan / DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (rly-mg02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.108]) by air-mg10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG104-9fd4b19931a124; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:54:21 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG027-9fd4b19931a124; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:54:19 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGh1g-0003KN-8K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:53:24 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGh1f-0003KE-3n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:53:23 +0000 Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.64]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGh1c-0001Dv-Om for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:53:23 +0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=aycvjIZ40s2jyok+i3vME+xNkWXYrRjdKgM5+HfgiZAoCJu7s4wbs9ncZ4LIHKqX; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.240.15.219] (helo=ctrask) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1NGh1U-0000Li-3V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:53:12 -0500 Message-ID: <005601ca7534$6ea90400$030ff004@ctrask> From: "Chris Trask" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB4A@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 15:52:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: b77fdb70683249914713efb067f9a722239a348a220c26096da3359035de6f24825802b274c8b311350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.240.15.219 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Active Antenna Preamp of Bernd/DF8ZR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 > > > Now, Bernd has posted the circuit of his preamp for active antennas: > > > > http://www.mydarc.de/df8zr/lf-active-antenna.pdf > > > > It's nothing fundamental new. But it's just working very fine, with an > > overvoltage shielded input. DLF (153kHz) gets attenuated by abt 40dB, > > compared to the sigs in the wanted frequency range. Gain is abt 23dB. > > It was published in summer 2003 in the CQDL. > > The URL is an invalid one > Works okay here. Chris From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg08.mx.aol.com (rly-dg08.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.92]) by air-dg04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG043-5e74b354d561ca; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 18:40:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG086-5e74b354d561ca; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 18:40:08 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOJkG-0003q3-3e for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:38:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOJkF-0003pu-KI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:38:55 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOJkD-0003FW-Be for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:38:55 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqgNAGXcNEtOli1e/2dsb2JhbACCH4YvkA67UoQzBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,455,1257120000"; d="jpg'145?scan'145,208,217,145";a="382262857" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.150.45.94]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 25 Dec 2009 23:38:46 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:38:46 -0000 Message-ID: <003b01ca85bb$67230f90$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FUZZY_OCR_WRONG_CTYPE=1.500,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: FW: g3xiz-qrss-500KHz-24.12.09 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA85BB.67230F90" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA85BB.67230F90 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_003D_01CA85BB.67230F90" ------=_NextPart_001_003D_01CA85BB.67230F90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A late post, 3rd try. So test post too G3XIZ, strong audible signal at the top of the band. Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng ------=_NextPart_001_003D_01CA85BB.67230F90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

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laptopcore2) ([78.150.85.115]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 29 Dec 2009 21:59:29 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 21:59:28 -0000 Message-ID: <000001ca88d2$31f1f290$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <31D12909B3E54BA9B9750DD5F8E42819@lindavideo> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: Re: Re: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 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My Laptop has an SPDIF connector shining out= the front it is hardly likely to be a dangerous laser where a child could easily put their eye to it. I hope. Eddie G3ZJO -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Ken Sent: 29 December 2009 21:37 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals If it is red then the optical wavelength is about 850nm, what you also need=20 to know is the type of fibre on the sound card, i.e, multi mode or single=20 mode. Multi mode fibre is usually 50/125 microns and single mode 9/125= =20 microns, the first number is the core diameter, the second the overall fibre=20 diameter, as you can see you do not want to try and launch a multi mod= e=20 light source into a single mode fibre.. 73s. Ken. M0KHW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "John RABSON" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 9:31 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of=20 RX signals Agreed we should be careful. My Creative Labs soundcard (external USB= ) has=20 SPDIF optical connectors as well as electrical. The Optical Out connector=20 emits a faint red light but I can't find any mention of safety in the user=20 manual. F5VLF *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 18/12/2009 at 09:16 mal hamilton wrote: >Radio Amateurs BEWARE - Appliance Operators DO NOT TOUCH > >G3KEV > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ken" >To: >Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 10:43 AM >Subject: LF: Re: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of= RX >signals > > >> Optical fibres are fine for transmission and remove all the problem= s of >> interference and cross talk at a stroke, but please be careful and >observe >> optical safety precautions when using lasers and other light source= s. I >> worked on optical systems for many years during my time with BT, an= d >optical >> safety took priority over every thing else. All optical fibres need to >have >> a perfect cleave on the ends, and the connectors be absolutely clean, if >> you are not launching into an optical connector then alignment will be a >> problem, similarly at the receive end. >> >> >> 73. >> Ken >> >> M0KHW >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Horst St=F6cker" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:01 AM >> Subject: LF: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX >signals >> >> >> In theory it's a good Idea which I had some weeks before without working >it >> out. >> >> Years before I also have made tests with FTA (free to air) optical >> transmissions with a DL2CH-Transceiver and a TRX-Kit by Aatis which is >quite >> much simpler. >> Even with that it was no problem to link between two points about= a few >> meters. >> >> In this case you should think about an IR-LED. Unfortunately, the Aatis >> receiver has a photo transistor instead of a diode. But it should= be no >> great deal to modify that. >> >> The problems with FTA optic transmission for this application are imho: >> - You have to be sure, that no one can be injured by the laser beam= , >> especially at unattended operation. >> - Think about how many hours/the beam has it's full power before becoming >> much weaker. >> - The optics must be kept clean. This could be a problem if the uni= ts are >> out of reach. >> - The units have to be mounted absolutely stable. For Example, on= a >swinging >> fibre rod you'll never bring a laser beam exactly to the rx area. >> >> I bet, (FTA) optical transmission just changes one problem with a= few >> others. >> >> But the transmission with optical cable seems interesting. >> >> What type of cable do you suggest? I do not think, my TOS-Link cabl= e >would >> stand weather/UV and mechanical conditions outside for a long time. >> >> Horst DO1KHS >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! >> http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. 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Hello Marcus,
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thank You for the private grabber Marcus,
 
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--Boundary_(ID_ITpOZBqJxp2tUm9xkQVjoQ)-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da03.mx.aol.com (rly-da03.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.77]) by air-da07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA072-a5b4b1a2c182a1; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 04:47:09 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA033-a5b4b1a2c182a1; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 04:47:06 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGrDC-0005MU-R5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 09:45:58 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGrDC-0005ML-59 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 09:45:58 +0000 Received: from mx27.mail.ru ([94.100.176.41]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGrD9-0003kI-S0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 09:45:58 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=14231 helo=EFREMOV) by mx27.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NGrD3-000PIz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 12:45:49 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <001a01ca758f$b9fba3d0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: References: <59DC6AF25071476FA37B42E3896BC627@radiorummet> <00aa01ca7548$de12ce70$0201a8c0@Clemens04> <9AF4BA15A6D94C3483BB006F4E38040B@radiorummet> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:45:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.3 required=5.0 tests=BEEN_TURNED_DOWN, LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Gus, Clemens, LF, 0008 -28 0.9 0.137650 SM6BHZ JO57 17 0024 -28 0.9 0.137650 SM6BHZ JO57 17 0028 -28 0.9 0.137650 SM6BHZ JO57 17 I used WSPR 2.0. Dial 135.620, Rx BFO 2030 Hz - it really works. 73 Andrey Hi Clemens, thanks for your info and print my WSPR formerly of 137 kHz. Not bad considering the low power used! Luke just wants attention :-) I have now closed the transmitter for the night. Best 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ----- Original Message ----- From: Clemens Paul To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 2:17 AM Subject: LF: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz Hi GUs, see below: 2118 8 0.4 136.151499 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2138 9 0.6 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2144 8 0.7 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2218 7 0.6 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2222 8 0.7 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2226 9 0.8 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 As my internert connection has been broken during the last hours no data upload has taken place. Probably a few loggings are missing because I had to use my dipole for receiving whis is periodically disturbed when our heater is is on. My K9AY has been turned down this late afternoon by our three months old labrador 'Luke'. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Gus To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:55 PM Subject: LF: WSPR on 137 kHz Hello LF-group, this evening i will transmit, WSPR on 137.650 kHz 136.150 kHz dial. Power abt 50 mW ERP. Transmitter start at 16:00 GMT All reports are welcome. You can also log on, www.sm6bhz.com 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.709 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.93/2544 - Ausgabedatum: 12/04/09 08:32:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc02.mx.aol.com (rly-mc02.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.86]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC023-d594b280f5a18e; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:36:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC021-d594b280f5a18e; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:36:11 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKfxF-0003Ix-S3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:33:17 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKfxF-0003Io-AA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:33:17 +0000 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKfz6-000762-V5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:35:15 +0000 thread-index: Acp91tYhyPJ/yo9MRPKDr1K+R3oi7g== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 X-SPAM-FLAG:NO Received: from ([127.0.0.1]) with MailEnable ESMTP; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:34:58 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Gus" To: References: <28E30F96FE754DB5B117179FDF03920A@AGB> <58E5518A3C1E431D94BE909B2497657E@radiorummet> <40C1ACE165C24906919BA2E5553F270F@AGB> In-Reply-To: <40C1ACE165C24906919BA2E5553F270F@AGB> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:34:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-CHK: uvtcmail.se X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004C_01CA7DDF.364BB270" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01CA7DDF.364BB270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Graham, I work hard on AE system!! Give me your adress and i will send a pic. De Gus ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 11:25 PM Subject: Re: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9 Hi Gus ..did you finish the work on the Ae system, pity no copy= in to Kabul ! 73 - G ..=20 From: Gus=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 9:56 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9 Graham, Gus run 3 W ERP. de Gus ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:19 PM Subject: Re: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9 Is Gus running 3 watts to the Ae or 3 watts ERP ? G ..=20 From: Anton B=E4rtschi=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 7:13 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9 The SM6BHZ Beacon on 600m is 579 here tonight. Not bad for 3W.=20 Why WSPR when CW works fine? What a wonderfull band! 73 de Toni, HB9ASB ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01CA7DDF.364BB270 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Graham,
I work hard on AE=20 system!!
Give me your adress and i will send a= =20 pic.
 
De Gus
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Sent: Tuesday, December 15,= 2009 11:25=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: SM6BHZ stron= g in=20 HB9

Hi Gus  ..did  you = finish=20 the  work on the Ae system, pity  no copy in to  Kabu= l=20 !
 
73 - G ..

From: Gus
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9

Graham,
 
Gus run 3=20 W ERP.
 
de Gus
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Sent: Tuesday, December 15,= 2009 10:19=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: SM6BHZ str= ong in=20 HB9

Is Gus  running  3 watt= s  to=20 the  Ae or  3 watts  ERP ?
 
G ..


------=_NextPart_000_004C_01CA7DDF.364BB270-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me06.mx.aol.com (rly-me06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.40]) by air-me10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME101-9c04b22448a2cd; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:09:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME064-9c04b22448a2cd; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:09:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ5EK-0006vi-A6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:08:20 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ5EJ-0006vZ-SQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:08:19 +0000 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.153]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ5EH-0008ID-SX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:08:19 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so445668fga.10 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:08:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=K4kBWSLEjMXWd+wMyFjiStxPlpaw96hyI8vFYc1Lhps=; b=UMH0QNuQaDG56puMX8KMkC+mjgYMRaypV7/e3FF3hDw/uXJqIdzCOsox0YS2rz5awr 5KC24xpJoy5+Sr7SRojlqu8v9troy6prv7Oz/UmZcQBh6uX5QYZfCkv60ec9JaAIN+Zs zOtrHVdwVVrHKtsS+ii3AGupojDDH7Yuxi88Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=bFKdQpfNHNDJMhjDSl1wJ3fOQpan5RWMcoy0Y85cxIJjZz3xoCfbH5Nt8GNB/TddMt /kpLjk/JxXaKNbuL/gH/i4cD0EjfCXm83R7zleLgajZfOKsJjOUjalriVhbq5hBFPk4c 8f6wY+R2h0ezGiGfNGttIxdLIOWeFhUhu99Sk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.141.159 with SMTP id c31mr145102hba.147.1260536896881; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:08:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC12@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> References: <1260444821.6353.65.camel@vaio3rd> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC12@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:08:16 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d253.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) 10.LOG(10/3) =3D 5dB and 10.LOG(30/3) =3D 10dB Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police 2009/12/11 Stefan Sch=E4fer : > Dear LF, > Does anybody know about the "gain" between QRSS3 and QRSS10 or QRSS30?= I mean, if the noise in both cases is equal, how much can I reduce my tx= pwr when switching from qrss3 to qrss10? Or isn't it possible to give suc= h a relation? > And: Was there ever a TA QSO in QRSS3? > I am new on the reflector, sri ;-) > > Stefan / DK7FC > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md04.mx.aol.com (rly-md04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.142]) by air-md02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD023-8f94b180a6c6e; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:58:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD041-8f94b180a6c6e; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:58:54 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGGsD-0003cK-U7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:57:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGGsD-0003cB-Hd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:57:53 +0000 Received: from smtp23.services.sfr.fr ([93.17.128.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGGsC-0007YM-Rg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:57:53 +0000 Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2324.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0F73170000AC for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 19:57:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from F8BOJSQUSV2QH5 (46.220.197-77.rev.gaoland.net [77.197.220.46]) by msfrf2324.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with SMTP id BFE57700009B for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 19:57:42 +0100 (CET) X-SFR-UUID: 20091203185742786.BFE57700009B@msfrf2324.sfr.fr Message-ID: <000f01ca744a$7dac0d70$0401a8c0@F8BOJSQUSV2QH5> From: "claude berthebaud" To: References: <1A4C07D90C03120F1332A@kabelmail.de> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 19:57:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091203-1, 03/12/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: info's F8boj Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi UWe LF Thank you for control ... it redone tonight "BOJ" 136319.20hz QRSS 60 .. 20H UTC by WX There was very windy here this evening greetings Claude F8boj JN16WA ================ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Uwe Jannsen" To: Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 7:15 PM Subject: Re: LF: info's F8boj Hi Claude, though no DX here your signs looks like that: http://dj8wx-dl.de/capt58 in JO43SV. regards Uwe/dj8wx -------- Kabel E-Mail Reply --------------- From: f8boj@club-internet.fr To : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: 02.12.2009 17:18:41 HI LF To test station at the bottom of Band I will be QRV 136319.20 hz QRSS60 for 20H utc Notice to fans DX and the control's is welcome Claude f8boj JN16WA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (rly-dd01.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.148]) by air-dd06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD062-b584b309c4d2d9; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 05:15:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD012-b584b309c4d2d9; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 05:15:42 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NN1f2-0005Iq-4h for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:08:12 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NN1f1-0005Ih-Fo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:08:11 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NN1kZ-0001q8-Gx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:13:57 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so3790266pwj.4 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 02:13:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=3QNz4H+WEhAzRpFZjgT9t9THGOzCfcJkqRtpkrpTP0U=; b=iMKxrYdmCg+6AJKyplPWcMIxVzrIlo0nSHKipB7a4KA1ws4XNYuI84z6mafDvmy+EG YwXqExkLqH3FR/xptUOXwdZjnG1Hx7wshnyv+a0qLqWWLy4zhu1LZZeK+bTGpSS+i/r9 iiEKNk+aSx4Klyf3fuhgrQ24YJ9FEB0+iqFJY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=ej71kGC9oKGxUKOffzlBmQnuNITDIHvcaTPbcG81KLkDGH3NaFjSkjbjYRR7/6PV5j S1A5b/QiHhDC5K1NW31Q9pNsQ8yJ6AXHxO07ZPOuL7SAtEjGnZkuSeN+s1xYEy1GUIsd HKqwKGExl/ERcIa4skH5GZxtC9kRJ3bIEL1n4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.89.19 with SMTP id r19mr6008538rvl.113.1261476827944; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 02:13:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <678FAD4478574A8682D9BDE7D982EE11@lindavideo> References: <678FAD4478574A8682D9BDE7D982EE11@lindavideo> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:13:47 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4baa833346a0cfbb Message-ID: <1f0624b90912220213l299aa2ebvd9a91a3fbd3b0983@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: PA0RDT Mini-Whip Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1393438d8e5047b4e7642 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m210.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1393438d8e5047b4e7642 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ken, I have my Mini-Whip mounted with a short length of PVC tube on an1.5 metre aluminium stand off arm attached to my main steel (100mm square) mast at about 9 metres high. The coax runs down the mast & about 25 metres into th= e house. The coax braid is grounded at the base of the mast were it enters= the garage. I use that for my grabbers (off at the moment due to technical reasons) & it operates quite well. 73 Gary - G4WGT. 2009/12/21 Ken > Hello All. > > I have been reading the recent posting regarding the PA0RDT Mini-Whip > earthing etc, and am becoming rather confused. I am hoping to construct= a > Mini-Whip over the Christmas break, but have issues regarding the > positioning of it, the original drawings show it on a non metallic mast,= if > I mount it high it will be within 2m vertical separation and a 3m horizo= ntal > separation of the top horizontal section of the antenna, the other optio= n > would be to mount it 1m above ground which will give a 8m vertical > separation and a 4m horizontal separation. Just to add further problems= if > elevated vertically it is very close to vegetation, and at the 1m positi= on > it will be close to the neighbour=92s chain link fence. The Mini-Whip wi= ll be > connected to the shack with approximately 25m of 50 ohm coax. Your comme= nts > will be gratefully received. > > > > 73s > > Ken > > M0KHW > > > --000e0cd1393438d8e5047b4e7642 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ken,

I have my Mini-Whip mounted with a short length= of PVC tube on an1.5 metre aluminium stand off arm attached to my main st= eel (100mm square) mast at about 9 metres high. The coax runs down the mas= t & about 25 metres into the house. The coax braid is grounded at the= base of the mast were it enters the garage. I use that for my grabbers (o= ff at the moment due to technical reasons) & it operates quite well.

73

Gary - G4WGT.

2009/12/21 Ken <ken.h.wright@btinternet.com>

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<= font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman">I have been reading the recent po= sting regarding the=20 PA0RDT Mini-Whip earthing etc, and am becoming rather confused.=A0= I am hoping to construct a Mini-Whip=20 over the Christmas break, but have issues regarding the positioning of it,= the=20 original drawings show it on a non metallic mast, if I mount it high it wi= ll be=20 within 2m vertical separation and a 3m horizontal separation of the top=20 horizontal section of the antenna, the other option would be to mount it= 1m=20 above ground which will give a 8m vertical separation and a 4m horizontal= =20 separation. Just to add further problems if elevated vertically it is very= close=20 to vegetation, and at the 1m position it will be close to the neighbour=92= s chain=20 link fence. The Mini-Whip will be connected to the shack with approximatel= y 25m=20 of 50 ohm coax. Your comments will be gratefully received.

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<= font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman">73s

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X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: PA3CPM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA758A.A199AC60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.9 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA758A.A199AC60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Henny! It seems the station who saw you must have made a mistake, although he= seemed quite certain it was 'MCP'. Sorry for the confusion and thanks= Andrey, you were right! Vy 73, Chris, G4AYT. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA758A.A199AC60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Henny!
It seems the station who saw you must= have made a=20 mistake, although he seemed quite certain it was 'MCP'. Sorry for the= confusion=20 and thanks Andrey, you were right!
Vy 73, Chris, G4AYT.
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA758A.A199AC60-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD013-91a4b29ed1a179; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 03:34:42 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD082-91a4b29ed1a179; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 03:34:36 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLBl3-0000Ti-Te for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:30:49 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLBl3-0000TZ-CJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:30:49 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate05.web.de ([217.72.192.243]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLBnj-0001xW-AT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:33:37 +0000 Received: from web.de by fmmailgate05.web.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 18ABF5CECF1D for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:33:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from [88.76.49.138] by freemailng2505.web.de with HTTP; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:33:28 +0100 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:33:28 +0100 Message-Id: <1542506438@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?iso-8859-15?Q?Horst_St=F6cker?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-Provags-Id: V01U2FsdGVkX1/LnqY3/F1ORURpxZykgVrw13V94cdYVkX81hVYKKWN0N7vD ruPkhe4odp4VLQ7FrCPOdvaHJVnQS0Grod509ix8OJiw3EmvgjRnsK32JJJs A== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: to DK1KQ: Question about 500kHz on FA SDR-RX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hallo Uwe, in welchem Heft fand ich den von Dir verfassten Artikel zum Umbau auf 500= kHz. Da ich die meisten FA habe, w=FCrde ich gerne mal nachlesen. Die in Deinem Buch angegebene eMail-Adresse scheint nicht mehr aktuell .= . . Horst ___________________________________________________________ Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.!=20 http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md02.mx.aol.com (rly-md02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.140]) by air-md06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD063-8ef4b201f083e6; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:05:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD027-8ef4b201f083e6; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:04:58 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIUda-0005Q2-CA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:03:58 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIUdZ-0005Pt-36 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:03:57 +0000 Received: from msa-k1.u-netsurf.ne.jp ([202.233.11.14]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp>) id 1NIUdW-0003d3-DX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:03:57 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.5] (d25.HkanagawaFL59.vectant.ne.jp [122.103.154.25]) by msa-k1.u-netsurf.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2898534BD1 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:03:49 +0900 (JST) From: Rick Wakatori <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> Organization: RLL Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:03:49 +0900 Message-Id: <1260396229.6326.9.camel@vaio3rd> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 10:30 -0500, Warren Ziegler wrote: > Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 > Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver > muting. > Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! > > http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf > > > > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > Rick:I am using the TX2200A/50W with TCXO option for QRSS transmittion. The frequency stability is average 0.01Hz even QRSS120. -- -.. . --... .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-. 7L1RLL under ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP) URL=http://www1.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html -..--- -.- .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-... ...-. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg08.mx.aol.com (rly-dg08.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.92]) by air-dg03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG031-5e34b1ba107102; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 07:18:34 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG082-5e34b1ba107102; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 07:18:16 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHG31-0004ez-U7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 12:17:07 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHG31-0004eq-3d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 12:17:07 +0000 Received: from web87013.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([87.248.114.65]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHG2z-0008An-MN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 12:17:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 17349 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Dec 2009 12:17:00 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1260101820; bh=UOZ1UtZd2I8JCq5mNqD6QqcVbKaYW7KtQ+XJSWeXK+4=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4FbSKuvhZo41BC+QUq/sZlKd2RlVH6BVJPqsbLzh5QnsfOvp0zSdOxkdb+x1EIPezg+sVLfuKrg4q2f0GpshprwmTux2s3U1XdvVhYEbG2NmekAH8zSWyy1PG5zxJcpaKDTHPTsK9h0MJ0fjtlgYpPYLv9PsZ8jhib9Kx1m1Cw4= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mw/8CvhC5OPpDiJXEjFDENKDsyDANRMVQcLSRUPH8oFBbYLYDtYRUUUhjg/pylJe6qbQ3EKGlLCfOX2awWDOeiuIR9Ziathi4OuHtpeMDmBp15smDEIdXFyyyS0ApNY+Rv9JOQoeDJ/QOuS3LrHEwru6bMwgs3IZ2dll1n7Bq4Q=; Message-ID: <246141.16657.qm@web87013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: KsYy_nUVM1mkjv5plIeiNArSw6SFxRHAn.zbPCFdgh3ckEzwxs3Uuhfj0FwZW3onBQ3aKw9U5Zi0vK2c3vTU.JEqptW9Lg5J6JLz1luPAlcQn8EufJKRa24WW70SUznoCsWWXrTLi5fR70UqfTuTF.AlOIbXddAikt9gRt6_9SDT.1.8p_LQYR6zf46ew4TyneDaNe8ArMrW8D79ISY_0AEE92Emixl_BDAsbyKvtpFmfw9Zb2IpRC21qJ3nf0MMQ1_HzMZ0Msw6KZ_I7.aeRktIccYds.TRW3zyIIsyGQiba0mwNLdXP5t5PBIBHblWXA-- Received: from [217.44.133.175] by web87013.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 12:17:00 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/240.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: <013e01ca765e$375485d0$0317aac0@desktop> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 12:17:00 +0000 (GMT) From: SAM JEWELL To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <013e01ca765e$375485d0$0317aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: copying mal now 10.22z on cw 500 557 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-779762457-1260101820=:16657" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d243.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass --0-779762457-1260101820=:16657 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal , G3KEV, CQ copied 539 in JO02 ( near Felixstowe ) at around 12:00z= on 502kHz. Untuned 7m vertical. No NoV so unable to respond other than on here. 73 de Sam, G4DDK ________________________________ From: James Cowburn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, 6 December, 2009 10:23:54 Subject: LF: copying mal now 10.22z on cw 500 557 =20 LF/Mal =20 Can cpy u loud and clear on around 502.5cw 557. I called back but no reply. Do u want to try RTTY? =20 With best regards =20 =20 Jim G7NKS --0-779762457-1260101820=:16657 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mal , G3KEV,  CQ copied 539 in JO02 ( near Felixstowe ) at= around 12:00z on 502kHz. Untuned 7m vertical.
No NoV so unable to resp= ond other than on here.

73 de Sam, G4DDK




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Subject: LF: copying mal now 10.22z on cw 500 557

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Can cpy u loud and clear on around 502.5= cw 557.  I called back but no reply. Do u want to try RTTY?

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--0-779762457-1260101820=:16657-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me08.mx.aol.com (rly-me08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.42]) by air-me07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME073-9ce4b2781991e3; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:31:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME082-9ce4b2781991e3; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:31:23 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKWVy-0003Cg-EF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:28:30 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKWVy-0003CX-27 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:28:30 +0000 Received: from mx01.infotech.at ([213.174.240.1]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKWXb-0002z4-EU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:30:13 +0000 Received: from [213.174.255.2] by mx01.infotech.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKWXa-0002UR-NQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:30:10 +0100 Message-ID: <4B27813E.4030508@inext.at> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:29:50 +0100 From: Oberreiter Oswald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4B26CFC2.20402@inext.at> ,<4B276A85.6060003@inext.at> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: BY3A Ops OSsi - Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) thanks laurence! my antenna fighting with a storm from dir east ..i am on the top of a smal hill here always very windy hi so i hope the antenna will be good at night . marry christmas and all the best 73 de ossi Laurence BY3A-KL1X China schrieb: > I think this was about the best Ossi = note there is a carrier running > on this freq too from somewhere - but it doesnt appear to be anything > on my present Loran harmonic list. > > thanks for the signals > > ps DCF 39 is just audible to my untrained ears :-) here at 1152Z > which is a good omen. > > > regards > Laurence KL 1X in By3A > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-di05.mx.aol.com (rly-di05.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.9]) by air-di08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI084-eb694b1e9bc815e; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 13:32:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-di05.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F1F7E38000095; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:32:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NI4qa-0006Zh-Hu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:31:40 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NI4qa-0006ZY-3m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:31:40 +0000 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NI4qY-0001dJ-QE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:31:40 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnQGAPcpHktOlTSG/2dsb2JhbACOFQaOO7xuhDIE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,363,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="295702409" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.149.52.134]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 08 Dec 2009 18:31:25 +0000 Message-ID: <004b01ca7834$a5c760a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:31:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: LA3EQ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0048_01CA7834.A56A4C80" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40094b1e9bc76474 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01CA7834.A56A4C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jan Tnx qso at 1819 utc. QSL CW QSO 559/559 each way. Some qsb. First QSO between Norway and England on 500 kcs De Mal/G3KEV IO94SH ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01CA7834.A56A4C80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jan
Tnx qso at 1819 utc. QSL CW QSO&= nbsp;559/559=20 each way. Some qsb.
First QSO between Norway and England= on 500=20 kcs
 
De Mal/G3KEV IO94SH
 
------=_NextPart_000_0048_01CA7834.A56A4C80-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.15]) by air-dd10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD101-86104b393bf62b1; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:15:02 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8D5BC3800006E; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:15:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPOmn-0007O1-Nl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:14:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPOmn-0007Ns-9k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:14:01 +0000 Received: from mx40.mail.ru ([94.100.176.54]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPOmk-0000YW-Vy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:14:01 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=53552 helo=EFREMOV) by mx40.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NPOme-000PEe-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 02:13:52 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <002601ca8813$66930df0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: References: <4B38FD5C.6090108@inext.at> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 02:10:30 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,URIBL_SBL=1.094 Subject: LF: grabber rn3agc Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: S x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410f4b393bf52e6e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello LF, If it is interesting to someone, update the link to my grabber: http://rn3agc.msk.ru/grabber1.shtml#nm Updating of images will occur without the top menu of a website. 73 Andrey From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (rly-dc01.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.30]) by air-dc05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC054-afe4b225ceafd; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 09:53:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC012-afe4b225ceafd; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 09:53:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ6qv-00082L-6L for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:52:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ6qu-00082C-QK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:52:16 +0000 Received: from msa-k1.u-netsurf.ne.jp ([202.233.11.14]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp>) id 1NJ6qt-0001A4-HU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:52:16 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.5] (d25.HkanagawaFL59.vectant.ne.jp [122.103.154.25]) by msa-k1.u-netsurf.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28D4634C0A for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:52:09 +0900 (JST) From: Rick Wakatori <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4B21CA48.8060108@telus.net> References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <20091210100700.32DEC31E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <1260444821.6353.65.camel@vaio3rd> <1260449921.6353.77.camel@vaio3rd> <4B21CA48.8060108@telus.net> Organization: RLL Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:52:09 +0900 Message-Id: <1260543129.8545.23.camel@vaio3rd> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AW: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Scott and the others, I will try to send QRSS60 or QRSS120 from 23:00Z on 12th to 10:00Z on 13th December. I believe this will cover your sunrise and EU sunset. It is a good weather forcast on 13th now. My portable short-mail address is rick7l1rll(atMark)docomo.ne.jp. Please look at 137780Hz+-(a few Hz). 73, Rick -- -.. . --... .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-. 7L1RLL under ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP) URL=http://www1.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html -..--- -.- .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-... ...-. On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 04:27 +0000, Scott Tilley wrote: > Hi Rick > > Please try for a time before and during my sunrise. You may be > surprises. Very good LF condx right now. > > 73 Scott > > > Rick Wakatori wrote: > > Hi Laurence and the others, > > OKay. I will operate QRSS60 at 137780Hz as long as possible on 13th > > December. My antenna at there will be much suitable than usual. > > 73, Rick > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df02.mx.aol.com (rly-df02.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.15]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF011-52e4b1b87ba3d5; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 05:30:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF021-52e4b1b87ba3d5; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 05:30:20 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHEMT-0003bf-MO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:29:05 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHEMS-0003bW-UQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:29:04 +0000 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHEMR-0007Wp-5i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:29:04 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.4]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091206102357.RVED17277.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:23:57 +0000 Received: from [81.109.251.184] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHEHV-0005HI-Iy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:23:57 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:23:54 -0000 Message-ID: <013e01ca765e$375485d0$0317aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: Acp2XjZyB+FXRSQTRa+tUixlMWz7AA== X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=R71HmLji6tAA:10 a=ws1gfgqjyD2nvTgxBp8A:9 a=I5Jr0Qvas6cTmfFGX1tuqohXytEA:4 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=ENgHvdB_v6qHjeNoWqgA:9 a=07fq7d2R90DHGIwpTfkA:7 a=rkKSB-bc-sUwqhnoG3GC-0WpJMUA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: copying mal now 10.22z on cw 500 557 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_013F_01CA765E.375485D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_013F_01CA765E.375485D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LF/Mal Can cpy u loud and clear on around 502.5cw 557. I called back but no reply. Do u want to try RTTY? With best regards Jim G7NKS ------=_NextPart_000_013F_01CA765E.375485D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

LF/Mal

 

Can cpy u loud and clear on around 502.= 5cw 557.  I called back but no reply. Do u want to try RTTY?

 

With best regards=

 

 

Jim G7NKS=

 =

 

------=_NextPart_000_013F_01CA765E.375485D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db04.mx.aol.com (rly-db04.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.79]) by air-db05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB054-abc4b2bbb7a333; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:28:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB042-abc4b2bbb7a333; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:27:25 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLgXJ-0004A3-1Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:22:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLgXI-00049u-Gi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:22:40 +0000 Received: from smtp6.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.190]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLga9-0005Yi-23 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:25:39 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3632.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 79694700008B for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:26:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3632.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6D9077000096 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:26:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.32.76]) by mwinf3632.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id A5E56700008B for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:26:02 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20091218172602679.A5E56700008B@mwinf3632.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <685336291E04450FB261DB7A37A9431A@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <914980.30417.qm@web28108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <914980.30417.qm@web28108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:26:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA8007.2B901630" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA8007.2B901630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ''''''On no account will an e.r.p. level of greater than 10 dBW be per= mitted under any circumstance.''''=20 Better check the tx is not 'Mal' adjusted then ? G .. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 11:39 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz ba= nd) FYI 16|12|09 Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band) Following representations made by the Radio Society of Great Bri= tain and negotiations by Ofcom with the Maritime and Coastguard Agency= , Ofcom has decided to extend the period of Notices of Variation (NoVs= ) to the licence for operation in the 501 to 504 kHz band until 29 Feb= ruary 2012. The maximum effective radiated power (e.r.p.) limit is mai= ntained at 10 dBW (10 W). Existing NoVs are due to expire at the end= of February 2010.=20 There have been no reports of interference and investigation has= shown that a radiated power of 10 dBW is not likely to cause interfer= ence. Moreover, NoV holders are permitted to operate only subject to= causing no interference.=20 Special Research Permits under a Notice of Variation to the Lice= nce are made available to holders of Full Amateur Licences on a case= by case basis to applicants who can demonstrate a genuine interest in= experimentation at these frequencies and provide adequate supporting= documentation for assessment.=20 Due to the usage of the spectrum around the 500 kHz bands, appli= cants should pay special attention to demonstrating technical and oper= ational competence in terms of transmitting within the frequency band= and Effective Radiated Power (e.r.p.) parameters agreed with Ofcom.= Previous experience at 73 kHz as well as 136 kHz will be considered= desirable in this respect to ensure adequate steps are taken to limit= any potential interference.=20 Ofcom will monitor any interference reports and also consider li= miting numbers if necessary in reviewing operation in the band. On no= account will an e.r.p. level of greater than 10 dBW be permitted unde= r any circumstance.=20 The standard application form (OfW306) for a Special Research Pe= rmit can be downloaded at: http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur= /applications/ofw306.pdf=20 A fresh NoV will automatically be issued to existing NoV holders= ; new applications are not required in this instance. Should a fresh NoV not be required or if you are in possession= of an NoV which is not required, please inform the Ofcom Licensing Ce= ntre stating your name, call sign and Licence number preferably by e-m= ail to licensingcentre@ofcom.org.uk or alternatively by post to the ad= dress at the end of the text.=20 Form OfW306 is also available on request from the Ofcom Licensin= g Centre at:=20 Ofcom Licensing Centre=20 Amateur Radio Riverside House 2a Southwark Bridge Road London SE1 9HA=20 Tel: 020 7981 3131=20 73 es GL petefmt=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA8007.2B901630 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
''''''On no account will an e.r.p. level of greater than 10 dBW= be=20 permitted under any circumstance.''''
 
Better check the  tx is  no= t  'Mal'=20 adjusted then ?
 
G ..

From: M0FMT
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 11:39 AM
Subject: LF: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501= to 504 kHz=20 band)

FYI       16|12|09

Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504= kHz=20 band)

Following representations made by the Radio Society of Grea= t Britain=20 and negotiations by Ofcom with the Maritime and Coastguard Agenc= y,=20 Ofcom has decided to extend the period of= Notices of=20 Variation (NoVs) to the licence for operation in the 501 to 504= kHz band=20 until 29 February 2012. The maximum effective ra= diated=20 power (e.r.p.) limit is maintained at 10 dBW (10 W). Existing No= Vs are due=20 to expire at the end of February 2010.
There have been no reports of interference and inves= tigation=20 has shown that a radiated power of 10 dBW is not likely to cause= =20 interference. Moreover, NoV holders are permitted to operate onl= y subject=20 to causing no interference.
Special Research Permits under a Notice of Variation to the= Licence=20 are made available to holders of Full Amateur Licences on a case= by case=20 basis to applicants who can demonstrate a genuine interest in=20 experimentation at these frequencies and provide adequate suppor= ting=20 documentation for assessment.
Due to the usage of the spectrum around the 500 kHz bands,= applicants=20 should pay special attention to demonstrating technical and oper= ational=20 competence in terms of transmitting within the frequency band an= d=20 Effective Radiated Power (e.r.p.) parameters agreed with Ofcom.= Previous=20 experience at 73 kHz as well as 136 kHz will be considered desir= able in=20 this respect to ensure adequate steps are taken to limit any pot= ential=20 interference.
Ofcom will monitor any interference reports and also consid= er=20 limiting numbers if necessary in reviewing operation in the band= . On no=20 account will an e.r.p. level of greater than 10 dBW be permitted= under any=20 circumstance.
The standard application form (OfW306) for a Special Resear= ch Permit=20 can be downloaded at:
= http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/appli= cations/ofw306.pdf=20
A fresh NoV will automatically be issued to existing NoV ho= lders; new=20 applications are not required in this instance.
Should a fres= h NoV not=20 be required or if you are in possession of an NoV which is not= required,=20 please inform the Ofcom Licensing Centre stating your name, call= sign and=20 Licence number preferably by e-mail to licensingcentre@ofcom.org.uk=20 or alternatively by post to the address at the end of the text.=
Form OfW306 is also available on request from the Ofcom Lic= ensing=20 Centre at:
Ofcom Licensing Centre
Amateur Radio
Riverside House=
2a=20 Southwark Bridge Road
London SE1 9HA
Tel: 020 7981 3131

73 es GL=20 petefmt



------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA8007.2B901630-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma05.mx.aol.com (rly-ma05.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.49]) by air-ma06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA064-8aa4b23ddce2ac; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:15:55 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA054-8aa4b23ddce2ac; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:15:43 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJWU3-00026d-QH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:14:23 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJWU3-00026U-BG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:14:23 +0000 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJWU7-0000Zq-7c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:14:29 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq8EADdsI0tcGeYX/2dsb2JhbACOCwbFT4QrBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,388,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="184867379" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.25.230.23]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2009 18:14:04 +0000 Message-ID: <001401ca7b56$dfedfbc0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:13:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Racket Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01CA7B56.DFA8DC70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01CA7B56.DFA8DC70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What is that racket every night on 137.5 kcs, some sort of arabic scri= pt 2 mins on and 2 mins off. g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01CA7B56.DFA8DC70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What is that racket every night on 13= 7.5 kcs, some=20 sort of arabic script 2 mins on and 2 mins off.
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Hello Pat and group, HPY XMAS beacon from PAT on 499 khz CW.
 
F4DTL=20 Nicolas JN18FP

RX : Icom IC7400
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web86501.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 20:21:18 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:21:18 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <1260202597.4b1d2a65f3b5c@imp.netikka.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Broadcast audio splatter on 136kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d235.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass Hi Paul-Henrik, You could be right about it being ICM (or "luxembourg effe= ct" on Lakihegy. If so you should hear or see the "telegrams that Lakihegy= sends on the "splatter as well. If it is ICM (Ionosphereic Cross Modulati= on) then the BC "victim" is probably on approximately the same bearing as= Lakihegy and not more than 20 30 degrees off line. It is possible that ot= her in differenct areas may hear a different BC station Best Wishes Alan G3NYK --- On Mon, 7/12/09, Paul-Henrik wrote: > From: Paul-Henrik > Subject: LF: Broadcast audio splatter on 136kHz > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Monday, 7 December, 2009, 16:16 > LF >=20 > Does anybody else on the reflector suffer from BC-splatter > on 136kHz? It has > been a regular occurance here lately after dark. After some > identification work > I have a match on the running programmes on 171 and 225kHz, > 225kHz being the > stronger. >=20 > I blamed my RX chain at first and started to eliminate IMD > possibilities but > even now using a passive antenna and a very sharp bandpass > filter (much like an > IF-filter for a valve BC-set) I still have the BC > splatter. >=20 > So far I have not been able to determine the carrier > frequency of this "phantom > station" but it must be close to the carrier of Lakihegy. > Using AM detection > with a narrow filter it seems centered around 135.4kHz. > Sounds like two > BC-stations on top of eachother and the USB reaches up in > the amateur band > making "ghost whispers". >=20 > Luxembourg effect, transmitter IMD or just me missing the > point? The bandpass > filter is very effective and there are only weak traces of > signals above > 150kHz. >=20 >=20 > BR >=20 > Paul-Henrik, OH1LSQ >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me04.mx.aol.com (rly-me04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.38]) by air-me05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME053-9ae4b1b79bc1a8; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 04:30:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME042-9ae4b1b79bc1a8; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 04:30:38 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHDQu-0003PJ-Ix for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 09:29:36 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHDQu-0003PA-3n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 09:29:36 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHDQs-0007IB-6l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 09:29:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 1131 invoked by uid 507); 6 Dec 2009 10:29:19 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2009 10:29:19 +0100 Message-ID: <200912061029220691.08D71B29@smtp2.numeo.fr> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:29:22 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: DK7SU 339 on CW on 137 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 At 0929z. 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Thank you for all your help, and I wish you the seasons greetings. 73 Ken M0KHW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roelof Bakker" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 9:16 AM Subject: Re: LF: PA0RDT Mini-Whip > Hello Ken, > > I don't think that it is neccessary to use protection diodes. > Just try it and when it goes wrong it will only cost you a cheap FET. > > 73, > Roelof, pa0rdt > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (rly-dg10.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.94]) by air-dg01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG011-5fb4b221dd01a2; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:24:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG106-5fb4b221dd01a2; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:24:18 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ2eM-0004o4-VS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:23:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ2eM-0004nv-Hy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:23:02 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ2eL-0007AB-R0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:23:02 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id C302151CBD0 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:22:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C5AB31E702 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:22:06 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:22:29 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <814295.92224.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <20091210112926.9259131E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <814295.92224.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20091211102206.3C5AB31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz in Holland Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Alan, depend on how you define "inertia". For me 600m is more experimentation than operation. For the next weeks (months) I will be busy modifying my Sait MT430B to a 400W all mode transmitter, including a transvertor from HF to 500kHz. Meanwhile I am QRV in CW (and QRSS), listening almost every evening and now and then trying to work a new station or trying a new mode. But I am less interested in ragshewing or working the same stations over and over again. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T PS :To avoid one more endless discussion: this is my way to enjoy 600m, I know that other are more keen in operating and respect that. Everyone should be able enjoy this band his (or her) way; live and let live ;-) At 12:34 10/12/2009, you wrote: >Hi Rik that sounds good it looks as though the "inertia" is slowly >building up. Alan G3NYK --- On Thu, 10/12/09, Rik Strobbe > wrote: > From: Rik Strobbe > > Subject: LF: 500kHz in Holland > To: >"rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" > >Date: Thursday, 10 December, 2009, 11:29 > > > Just read this >on > > >http://www.iaru-r1.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=180&Itemid=133 > > : > > > Netherlands: Full licence amateurs > can opt for > an >experimental permit to conduct experiments in the band > 501-504 >kHz > with a maximum power of 5 W EIRP and a maximum bandwitdth > of >100 Hz. The > experiments will start on 1 January 2010 and will >continue > for one year > maximum. > > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md01.mx.aol.com (rly-md01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.139]) by air-md09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD091-8e64b2a2b8d376; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:01:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD016-8e64b2a2b8d376; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:01:03 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLFuV-0004wx-Bj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:56:51 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLFuU-0004wo-Ry for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:56:50 +0000 Received: from web87016.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([87.248.114.68]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLFxH-0004M9-1l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:59:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 39265 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2009 12:59:37 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1261054777; bh=SuWuSnlwNxJ/A0l2SeH5kIc2M+ePeX3fW+9RhqvJ/9s=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JdluaFeRvNpRfWw2krg5re5uv8i6cCucpWshi70Jdg/CqMub1z/gjorszRIeqgyiX2YucJWoTXo2XM7jESIFLhxZOO57IYJQmfckaBoBH5RLeAUOXeYnYgYrzZi7UPGyB07kAhnQeDxiTgmVM4Kw2E1MWoEdzVNWXmE5RpR8GQk= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=U15tjn8Dnip6YaLSyw8DT75IwvuTAj8g+f+PvGkcMIzDvzj+9AW51PjNF4bMIqXSmNd5A4uX9/VPz/7b/PyDf6tc9u9TXlo+lTyBxMPbkLcHgHt89Pgt9EQYIfHbB75LGIQguaK8Ys9yXulzGJfjOPO38k4Fq2EDwfqG7J1IpGw=; Message-ID: <594397.37559.qm@web87016.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: tIBrpJcVM1lplXVl4yfin.mJw1wdN8evq.HYRpEz9A94G4Hq7YDbFooMBpkk4irezd3jPHXb0x5OcGFEF34V9oCkYUapDBACZM9Jzn5dP80vDGLa90ehcFyK6GgiQWPBSygEN19Qfs4m5CY0UjpBKE_ufNE4vSlMCjpShUUDBckOuHq6rBBkzyCLNVBZHNU6jBLbEVrLPaVZ1VFrXbfnE47oZH9u7j.52g2i1i.DEtNAdquSySyUNu_AXO8rvSdYme5pr27fB5.UATST31MjSQ8h3NLvBEFg8nY_ Received: from [87.248.121.239] by web87016.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:59:37 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:59:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Sam To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d273.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass I have a small number of ex equipment semiconductor quantum well semicondu= ctor lasers (1550nm) and PIN diodes on PCB cards. These are pigtailed with= single mode fibre terminated in FC connectors. The cards have an FC bulkh= ead adaptor so that they can be connected together to form a short one-way= radio over fibre link. These are modern (current) devices and capable of= carrying radio over fibre from DC to about 2.0 - 2.4GHz. This would form= a high performance, but short, fibre link (antenna isolator), but with ac= cess to some SM fibre with FC connectors the link could be up to 100km lon= g, depending on a number of factors! These are offered for a small donation to the Bawdsey remote receiver proj= ect, plus postage. Contact me off list if you are interested. I must stres= s that I am unable to provide further assistance in setting up the fibre= optic links or devices. You are on your own! Relevant optical safety, using lasers, needs to be observed. Sam@g4ddk.com 73 de Sam On 17 Dec 2009, at 10:43, "Ken" wrote: Optical fibres are fine for transmission and remove all the problems of in= terference and cross talk at a stroke, but please be careful and observe= optical safety precautions when using lasers and other light sources. I= worked on optical systems for many years during my time with BT, and opti= cal safety took priority over every thing else. All optical fibres need to= have a perfect cleave on the ends, and the connectors be absolutely clea= n, if you are not launching into an optical connector then alignment will= be a problem, similarly at the receive end. 73. Ken M0KHW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Horst St=F6cker" To: Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:01 AM Subject: LF: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signal= s In theory it's a good Idea which I had some weeks before without working= it out. Years before I also have made tests with FTA (free to air) optical transmi= ssions with a DL2CH-Transceiver and a TRX-Kit by Aatis which is quite much= simpler. Even with that it was no problem to link between two points about a few me= ters. In this case you should think about an IR-LED. Unfortunately, the Aatis re= ceiver has a photo transistor instead of a diode. But it should be no grea= t deal to modify that. The problems with FTA optic transmission for this application are imho: - You have to be sure, that no one can be injured by the laser beam, espec= ially at unattended operation. - Think about how many hours/the beam has it's full power before becoming= much weaker. - The optics must be kept clean. This could be a problem if the units are= out of reach. - The units have to be mounted absolutely stable. For Example, on a swingi= ng fibre rod you'll never bring a laser beam exactly to the rx area. I bet, (FTA) optical transmission just changes one problem with a few othe= rs. But the transmission with optical cable seems interesting. What type of cable do you suggest? I do not think, my TOS-Link cable would= stand weather/UV and mechanical conditions outside for a long time. Horst DO1KHS ___________________________________________________________ Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da04.mx.aol.com (rly-da04.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.78]) by air-da09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA092-a664b1568ba66; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:04:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA046-a664b1568ba66; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:04:28 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFY0V-0002aZ-AP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:03:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFY0U-0002aQ-Rc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:03:26 +0000 Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.78.144]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFY0T-00018L-VH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:03:26 +0000 Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 3so1218078eyh.16 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 11:03:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=CDL2i4uoZPTJlpu5UAnZZWKqG2XhWiXGge/FsS4DwSw=; b=Jeh8ZVkyw14FRlqVuL9HszYUgd1RlHSLn59SHlbmeHya+Wg0ihVJwOKRLMQMERWzd8 tfhKpkylGTg4SjSgDC1J3qDT1oWrznbYWBhDTrsV0XLWByrg8O0YNLbpfnQppUH6Mnz/ 04OZq8buQeaXXsLgJVt6EtbcffQhFqZsBRltY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=t1FwflDe5lzAfDsXb6QznsKMglcl+A5cAv9MvfCSYgQ+V+Q9JPW9nHEvfS8agP+bdG VIHk7yWBD7lZP8sYYvs2mvVpHZfCklK8rkSZ/WRO/NE59DxgV16/BezTcBfHKTnc3D7t 9WYiffCyhzmrFG34Rt/uAI0cYbVUzcMfToMKI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.24.12 with SMTP id t12mr6560768ebb.70.1259694204742; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 11:03:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <001f01ca71ca$1c0c96c0$3ab27cbc@ap6fnsa53r3k6h> References: <007801ca6c6a$09baf120$3ab27cbc@niurhaxf0xcqlj> <001f01ca71ca$1c0c96c0$3ab27cbc@ap6fnsa53r3k6h> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:03:24 +0100 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anton_B=E4rtschi?= To: Marcin , rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: qso Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0ce02a6c996aeb0479af6982 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m278.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0ce02a6c996aeb0479af6982 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Marcin Yes, we will try it again. If WX is good, I will be QRV Friday Evening, probably allready from 19:00 til 23:00 UTC. 73 de Toni 2009/11/30 Marcin > Hello Toni > If you calling my I have QSO on DK8ND. I copied your twice transmiting= CQ. > Maybe have qso next friday? > 73! Marcin > > > > Hello Marcin > I've seen your signal in QRS10. It was quite strong. I called you, but > probably my signal was too weak. May be we can make a QSO next weekend. > 73 de Toni, HB9ASB > > > 2009/11/24 Anton B=E4rtschi > > Hello Marcin > Yes, would be nice to make a first contact SP-HB9. As far as i know, it > never took place. How abot this weekend, saturday or sunday? Have you ev= er > seen my signal? Should we try it in QRS3 or QRS10? > 73 de Toni, HB9ASB > > > 2009/11/23 Marcin > > Hello Toni > Plise QSO on 136kHz. > We have 1W EIRP and antenna 30m hight and 120m long. > -- > Vy 73! > Marcin SQ2BXI > (SP2KDS Team) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Internetowi nie placa! Otworz Konto Direct. > Kliknij >> http://link.interia.pl/f2448 > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Audi kilka tysiecy zlotych taniej? Przebieraj wsrod tysiecy ogloszen! > Kliknij >>> http://link.interia.pl/f2424 > > --000e0ce02a6c996aeb0479af6982 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Marcin
Yes, we will try it again. If WX is good, I will be QRV Fr= iday Evening, probably allready from 19:00 til 23:00 UTC.
73 de Toni
2009/11/30 Marcin <<= a href=3D"mailto:bxi@interia.pl">bxi@interia.pl>
Hello Toni
If you calling my I have QSO on DK8ND. I copied your twice transmiting CQ.=
Maybe have qso next friday?
73! Marcin



Hello Marcin
I've seen your signal in QRS10. It was quite strong. I called you, but=
probably my signal was too weak. May be we can make a QSO next weekend. 73 de Toni, HB9ASB


2009/11/24 Anton B=E4rtschi <hb9asb= @gmail.com>

Hello Marcin
Yes, would be nice to make a first contact SP-HB9. As far as i know, it never took place. How abot this weekend, saturday or sunday? Have you ever=
seen my signal? Should we try it in QRS3 or QRS10?
73 de Toni, HB9ASB


2009/11/23 Marcin <bxi@interia.pl= >

Hello Toni
Plise QSO on 136kHz.
We have 1W EIRP and antenna 30m hight and 120m long.
--
Vy 73!
Marcin SQ2BXI
(SP2KDS Team)

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Internetowi nie placa! Otworz Konto Direct.
Kliknij >> http://link.interia.pl/f2448


--------------------------------------------------------------= --------
Audi kilka tysiecy zlotych taniej? Przebieraj wsrod tysiecy ogloszen!
Kliknij >>> http://link.interia.pl/f2424


--000e0ce02a6c996aeb0479af6982-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.77]) by air-di08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI083-eb684b2269e9c0; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:48:57 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4A17838000A1A; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:48:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ7in-0008VC-Lt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:47:57 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ7in-0008V3-43 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:47:57 +0000 Received: from smtp09.online.nl ([194.134.42.54]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ7il-0001KC-FN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:47:57 +0000 Received: from smtp09.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp09.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 070621E5C1 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:47:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp09.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:47:54 +0100 (CET) From: To: Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:47:54 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70912110724l43b18b68t5d2f18849fb14147@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp09.online.nl) X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: RE: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404d4b2269e71964 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Warren, I just wished I had that problem!! 73 Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Warren Ziegler Verzonden: vrijdag 11 december 2009 16:24 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes Markus, My antenna tuning unit is outside 100 meters away from the ham shack. I am unwilling to go out in the winter night to retune the antenna to QSY to the lower frequency segment. -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 3:38 AM, Markus Vester = wrote: > Dear LF, > > the passage should have said: > > Taking into account the path of mutual darkness, this would mean tha= t all > stations should transmit in the=A0UPPER band during their evenings= until local > midnight, and then QSY to the lower band for the rest of the night. > > Sorry for the confusion. > > 73, Markus > From: Markus Vester > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 12:14 AM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes > Dear LF group, > > recently we find the "transatlantic waterhole" around 137.777 kHz qu= ite > busy. Several Europeans have started beaconing within this segment.= And > there has been some fast (QRSS3 or 10) activity, with wide traces co= vering > up possible transatlantic DX signalling frequencies. > > During the last years, we have=A0attempted to=A0split the frequency= bands > for=A0both directions of transatlantic work.=A0Traditional segments were=A0around > 137.777 kHz west-to-east (for Americans transmitting towards Eu), an= d around > 136.320 kHz east-west (for Eu to stateside).=A0Slow modes (QRSS or= DFCW, 60 > second and longer)=A0were used almost exclusively there, and several stations > were able to successfully cross the pond in either direction. > > The situation has become a little more intricate as=A0more stations= from other > parts of the world (eg. Asia, China, Japan) are joining the game wit= h > sensitive receivers and good signals. But I still think it would be helpful > to separate RX and TX bands within each area as much as possible. > > My suggestion would be to=A0stick with the east-west=A0versus west-e= ast > allocation of the two slots. Taking into account the path of mutual > darkness, this would mean that all stations should transmit in the= lower > band during their evenings until local midnight, and then QSY to the= lower > band for the rest of the night. Receiver settings=A0would=A0of cours= e be vice > versa. > > I'm aware that this=A0scheme cannot be perfect and universal. It won= 't cover > North-South hauls, and would not protect=A0signals during early or= late > openings. But it's simple enough, and I believe it would still be ve= ry > useful. Please don't get me wrong - I do not want to discourage anyo= ne from > putting out a=A0signal, and certainly=A0reject the notion of=A0anyth= ing > reminiscent of=A0a=A0"band police". I just think a little coordinati= on may help > all of us to=A0be successful on this=A0challenging and fascinating= band. > > Let me have your thoughts... > > 73 de Markus, DF6NM > > http://freenet-homepage.de/df6nm/Grabber.htm > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (rly-mb03.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.161]) by air-mb03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB031-cfa4b24b949104; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 04:52:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB036-cfa4b24b949104; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 04:52:11 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJl5q-00019i-FD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:50:22 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJl5p-00019Z-Gb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:50:21 +0000 Received: from psmtp31.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.33]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJl6F-0001tg-U5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:50:50 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp31.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KUL006LS4OGM8@psmtp31.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:50:40 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:50:40 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <376DD38072A242F1A11C745450C0FDB8@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: UA4WPF 12-12.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_xWLhVZlSh0qqNRdX0HCjkg)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --Boundary_(ID_xWLhVZlSh0qqNRdX0HCjkg) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_TXynAe0mLnYl/HNaFminhw)" --Boundary_(ID_TXynAe0mLnYl/HNaFminhw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Capture Ua4wpf henny pa3cpm 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: UA4WPF 12-12.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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1NGe9B-0eHfE00; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 20:48:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de To: X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 6.08.0003 Date: 04 Dec 2009 19:48 GMT Message-ID: <1NGe9B-0eHfE00@fwd11.t-online.de> X-ID: r3GL2qZC8hEdafgcHwkghYZwVjXxyuI+bt28EZWxbgJ7KTc8X03QxBapd0LHCiRgT9 X-TOI-MSGID: ede5a295-07b5-4e3b-8d31-71f330335807 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: AW: [Fwd: Extra transmission with SAQ Dec 10 2009] Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="__Next_1259956129_Part222__" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --__Next_1259956129_Part222__ Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit Dear Rik, LF, I have made a short search in the internet, but all sources except one, even schools which have been named after Karl Ferdinand Braun and should know it, do not carry the addition "von". I guess the "von" in connection with Braun is better known due to Wernherr von Braun, the rocket specialist. 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "Rik Strobbe" schrieb: Stefan, isn't the correct name Karl Ferdinand von Braun ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 08:45 4/12/2009, you wrote: I'm sorry but I didn't do the spelling - I simply forwarded the message I got from SAQ. 73 Johan SM6LKM Stefan Schfer wrote: > The german physicist is called Karl Ferdinand Braun > ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Ferdinand_Braun )! >> The reason for the extra transmission is a centenary commemoration of >> the Nobel Prize given to Guglielmo Marconi and Karl Ferdinand Brown. --__Next_1259956129_Part222__ Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit T-Online eMail Dear Rik, LF,

I have made a short search in the internet, but all sources except one, even schools which have been named after Karl Ferdinand Braun and should know it, do not carry the addition "von". 

I guess the "von" in connection with Braun is better known due to Wernherr von Braun, the rocket specialist.

73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB


"Rik Strobbe" <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> schrieb:

Stefan,

isn't the correct name Karl Ferdinand von Braun ?

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 08:45 4/12/2009, you wrote:
I'm sorry but I didn't do the spelling - I simply forwarded the message
I got from SAQ.
73 Johan SM6LKM

Stefan Schfer wrote:
> The german physicist is called Karl Ferdinand Braun
> ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Ferdinand_Braun )!

>> The reason for the extra transmission is a centenary commemoration of
>> the Nobel Prize given to Guglielmo Marconi and Karl Ferdinand Brown.
 
--__Next_1259956129_Part222__-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df03.mx.aol.com (rly-df03.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.16]) by air-df05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF054-5394b2a500229a; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:36:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF032-5394b2a500229a; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:36:36 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLIL4-0006gH-Cw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:32:26 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLIL3-0006g8-Rs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:32:25 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLINt-0005Uj-Ei for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:35:23 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (co02-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D66BF13432D for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:35:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps03.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.132] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.58V) with ESMTP id XID468NLqPjo6177X02; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:35:14 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.132 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps03.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID468NLqPjo6177X02 Received: from [192.168.1.4] [151.47.219.44] by cmsapps03.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 824NLqPjN1472M39; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:35:13 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.219.44 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.4] Message-ID: <4B2A4FAE.9010805@usa.net> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:35:10 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LF Mailing List X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID824NLqPjN1472X39 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Is this the Luxembourg effect ? 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domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000325557df2c0432a047b3d29a2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mal, I called CQ on 12wpm CW a few times just now on 500kHz, but no takers. There is *always* activity on 500kHz WSPR. Reports of my 1mW ERP signal received from 4 different stations (so far) in the last hour or so out to 237kms. 73s Roger G3XBM 2009/12/21 mal hamilton > I have never heard LF/MF so quiet over the years since it all started. In > the past most of the DX that I have worked was around XMAS time. The wx at > present in Scarborough is minus 2 C and covered in 6 inches of snow but it > is not effecting my antennas so far even although there is some ice on the > wires. > Now calling CQ on 502.6 kcs and looking for acty also on 137 kcs CW > De mal/g3kev > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --000325557df2c0432a047b3d29a2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal,

I called CQ on 12wpm CW a few times just now on 500kHz, but no= takers.

There is always activity on 500kHz WSPR. Reports of= my 1mW ERP signal received from 4 different stations (so far) in the last= hour or so out to 237kms.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2009/12/21 mal ha= milton <g3ke= vmal@talktalk.net>
I have never heard LF/MF so quiet ove= r the years=20 since it all started. In the past most of the DX that I have worked was ar= ound=20 XMAS time. The wx at present in Scarborough is minus 2 C and covered in 6= inches=20 of snow but it is not effecting my antennas so far even although there is= some=20 ice on the wires.
Now calling CQ on 502.6 kcs and looki= ng for acty=20 also on 137 kcs CW
De mal/g3kev
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--000325557df2c0432a047b3d29a2-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb02.mx.aol.com (rly-mb02.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.155]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB051-ced4b1a4e8a117; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 07:14:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB021-ced4b1a4e8a117; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 07:14:03 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGtV4-0006Rg-5b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 12:12:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGtV3-0006RX-PK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 12:12:33 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGtV3-0002yf-3m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 12:12:33 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nB5CCVF7020930 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 13:12:31 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 13:12:30 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 13:12:30 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB4B@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB3E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: next /p activity Thread-Index: Acp0u1rPAGcNDuTGSSu7cfOACu+G0AAJXlNQADC8c+A= From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.606;05.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.5.120037 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA75A4.38012F13" Subject: LF: next /p activity X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA75A4.38012F13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ...will be most probably this evening, starting at abt 22 utc... =20 73, Stefan/DK7FC ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA75A4.38012F13 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------_=_NextPart_001_01CA75A4.38012F13-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me01.mx.aol.com (rly-me01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.34]) by air-me02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME023-9974b2ec11136b; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:28:08 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME013-9974b2ec11136b; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:28:02 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMW1r-0008Dj-T9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 00:21:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMW1r-0008DV-7P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 00:21:39 +0000 Received: from web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com ([69.147.97.72]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMW5n-0000Dz-1T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 00:25:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 20520 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Dec 2009 00:26:26 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1261355185; bh=STOMxbXnyLaj7Lz4cj7NFfsG3O0lNzi/JEeI+nDHkiQ=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CsS6beP2+02GzEcGN6r43pvkCxBjcRRu9KXBt/FhX8CYruESnT3qriZyMjYY2fBAfSe0H8J74kb7dmiU7VV7z2OfCFXeHgvVEMiJXtslFWKk4/y7KsN/YuNlSx8XhEf8uiUZNP7CPUncOCUIOjOnXxx4eYBnv0gvFk+xSVeX6ek= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=W7gP/FEZuuq7eomxUahDS0ucgKDdlMDSML7+DWKPrYiPK179WciuuX+cIzCTW60AY/QuAEPUk/NqRmp9T/GT1Fi9BtgeRlRr6RHNvI5OwOK7ofSzjL502IXW6h7p+3UMfHJbKvcbOdMi+ThBEROokBLbD91zu3vOomsQ55lidRM=; Message-ID: <953616.19379.qm@web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: w0lq.cAVM1kcTBUWDP15ZrezQBYLSgq.MwolSafixSQBN3wcXdCSXdujPZwbFgtiEOBpfHF1es88zGM6XQAXW_3d5OE6PNEYSEIkA.2YQq3U2XR3pL661cvU_3Wx5wWbs14hbNYxJMHQ5Cc.bNzZvbz321rwFcnyi2TKLD7dlzVArxG_XWn4Xo4QvXhJKCUy5jxVluG8o3.Nr.vd22U_ypxMtOKJsIaKvsTi.MOZTz4Hydhr5KyplSYKZUfEd.sCdADV58CundOBqksRK4ou7xYBIdLDUiZ.GHwnWcuNlK1QKaeoyxZamBld4AMxOUqTiSQbkBrExRVYjP9iyu_8iTT7c9w9UZSE3Keyvs3DKYkKGRlIwJ4qNPYtTwY6_NlSVPy_O.DnteqnqIHoMlonIaOYbJTtvrfLdeYmSy1oVwl_YFJox5ppFF9wtr_yCksrDPcLiwV6wQ62FJw.FUb2hBe89ab9zFXDMX0y9eaWmAD74cuUUdI_yTikeSOpSivjo6.i9KiZ32Ffii8cGXk818tft9W4WfnADWx3RZIGvyz2LmoHX54TZ1_ACkwbL8fq7eczqDKkCGDYigOZhHD_ZTB7_tsk1KvgCLQ3YoE- Received: from [24.151.191.133] by web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 16:26:25 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 16:26:25 -0800 (PST) From: Andy - KU4XR To: lowfer@mailman.qth.net, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, Part-15 Yahoo , 600 meter group MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: LIVE audio stream of tonites 510 KHz USB net @ 02:00 UTC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d245.1 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : fail Hello all: If I have my filters, and antennas setup correctly, I hope to have good reception of the Sun. night net on 510 KHz - USB at 02:00 UTC. According to Jay - WE2XGR/2, there will be a pre-net audio loop beginning at approximately 01:45 UTC. I will be attempting to run a real-time audio stream of the net over my internet radio server. You can find the audio stream at: http://www.shoutcast.com/Internet-Radio/ku4xr WINAMP is the easiest to use Media player, ITunes also works, others will work also but may need to be associated with .pls files. Just looking forward to having some fun with my gear tonight. The stream is up and running now on 510 KHz USB, feel free to connect. other than the typical radio static, you'll hear NDB " HMY " in Lexington, KY in the background 73 to all :::: Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29866 KHz ( QRSS-60 ) Coordinates: N: 35* 43' 54" - W: 84* 3' 16" http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr http://webpages.charter.net/ku4xr/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc01.mx.aol.com (rly-mc01.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.85]) by air-mc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC043-d544b1961f1a4; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:24:43 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC014-d544b1961f1a4; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:24:35 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGdkX-0001ZG-DO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:23:29 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGdkW-0001Z7-Vi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:23:29 +0000 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGdkV-0008Ni-4z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:23:28 +0000 Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091204192321.GIWJ17277.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 19:23:21 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091204192321.PSYP2093.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 19:23:21 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:23:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B1961A1.20948.11D6E7E@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <1516926426@web.de> References: <1516926426@web.de> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=spfw7PUuAAAA:8 a=Vl3yHg9VrT5IO-eANKUA:9 a=kyyeifdA01OZXf8vtpTRWb_O2O8A:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: QRM by the Waterfall Display Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Horst, Have you just connected your antenna to the MV62, or is the=20 antenna tuned with a loading coil? You will not receive many weak=20 signals until the antenna is properly tuned. It is likely that the=20 local computer QRM will appear much weaker when you have stronger=20 signals down the antenna. Mike, G3XDV =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > still preparing for 136 kHz and 500 kHz RECEPTION I installed a > T-Antenna (about 10m high with a 20m wire as top) to my selective > level meter mv-62. >=20 > DCF 37 as reference is more than strong enough. WRW (NDB Wrozlaw) was > heard on 525 kHz, some other NDB too. But usually the weak HAM signals > in this bands can not be heard/seen because of too much QRM. >=20 > One of the ugliest QRM sources is the waterfall display of ARGO which > can be heard much to loud. >=20 > The QRM is really HF, not a problem of the soundcard. >=20 > I have Siemens Thinkpad Laptop. >=20 > Does anyone know this effect?? >=20 > Horst > ____________________________________________________________________ > Sarah Kreuz, die DSDS-Siegerin der Herzen, mit ihrem eindrucksvollen > Deb=FCtalbum "One Moment in Time". http://produkte.web.de/go/05/ >=20 >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (rly-mg02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.108]) by air-mg04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG043-9f74b3274693b3; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:50:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG021-9f74b3274693b3; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:50:02 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNXC9-00060W-LI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:48:29 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNXC9-00060N-3P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:48:29 +0000 Received: from mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.53]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNXC7-0005Lf-Cj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:48:29 +0000 X-Trace: 313400270/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/80.47.145.146/None/radiodave.g4ged@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 80.47.145.146 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: radiodave.g4ged@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqURAIICMktQL5GS/2dsb2JhbACBRIgIz2GEMwSBZQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,444,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="313400270" Received: from 80-47-145-146.lond-th.dynamic.dial.as9105.com (HELO SN046981320192) ([80.47.145.146]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with SMTP; 23 Dec 2009 19:48:20 +0000 Message-ID: <1A79A99233BC4C6B81CF8FFFA554537A@SN046981320192> From: "G4GED Dave" To: References: Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:48:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Score: 3.6 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: LF: Re: Ropex Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Yes please Victor! 73 Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "blacksheep" > > for who is interested,I just got from Henny,PA3CPM the schematic and the > componentlayout from the Ropex first.I can sent the files to everybody who > is interested, > PA3FNY From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df05.mx.aol.com (rly-df05.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.18]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF073-5514b2f4461195; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 04:48:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF056-5514b2f4461195; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 04:48:18 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMelC-0000WP-JU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:41:02 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMelB-0000WG-MU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:41:01 +0000 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMeq9-0001MM-2H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:46:11 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap0EAC/SLktOkHbq/2dsb2JhbACOCwaOGbZThC4E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,430,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="222793167" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([78.144.118.234]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2009 09:45:42 +0000 Message-ID: <001401ca8222$5ce76d10$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:45:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: LF/MF ACTY Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01CA8222.5CA4BEC0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01CA8222.5CA4BEC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have never heard LF/MF so quiet over the years since it all started.= In the past most of the DX that I have worked was around XMAS time.= The wx at present in Scarborough is minus 2 C and covered in 6 inches= of snow but it is not effecting my antennas so far even although ther= e is some ice on the wires. Now calling CQ on 502.6 kcs and looking for acty also on 137 kcs CW=20 De mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01CA8222.5CA4BEC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have never heard LF/MF so quiet ove= r the years=20 since it all started. In the past most of the DX that I have worked wa= s around=20 XMAS time. The wx at present in Scarborough is minus 2 C and covered= in 6 inches=20 of snow but it is not effecting my antennas so far even although there= is some=20 ice on the wires.
Now calling CQ on 502.6 kcs and looki= ng for acty=20 also on 137 kcs CW
De mal/g3kev
 
 
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([76.23.233.102]) by OMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id K1cB1d0012DDHkk3X1cBpA; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:36:11 +0000 Message-ID: <001e01ca80b0$392cb0b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <346854e9698cbf94f4483c66682bb63b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:36:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: Re: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 >I think the role of the ground with active whips is often neglected - the output of the whip preamp >is the voltage differential between the whip element and the circuit ground, so the ground >connection is just as much part of the antenna as the whip element itself is. That's an important point that is often overlooked or ignored. A mini whip mounted up at 5 meters is a 5 meter antenna. You can easily prove this by mounting it at ground zero on top of a ground screen. Been there, done that. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md07.mx.aol.com (rly-md07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.145]) by air-md03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD031-9164b363d2aa0; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:43:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD076-9164b363d2aa0; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:43:24 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOZio-0005kj-Fd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 16:42:30 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOZio-0005ka-2k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 16:42:30 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOZim-0005C6-3M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 16:42:30 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBQGgQTG018750 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:42:26 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:42:26 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:42:29 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AD01@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AD00@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF/MF Thread-Index: AcqGGFYF9XxzmBnkSPGa7Jdvc9EERwAMDxCQAABsNKA= From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.647;26.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.26.162716 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: LF: AW: LF/MF X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Oh, now i can see why ;-) "LF:" is inserted automatically... 73... =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von Stefan Sch=E4fer Gesendet: Samstag, 26. Dezember 2009 17:36 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: LF/MF Why are the topics affecting 500 kHz not marked as "MF: ..." in the subjec= t? I thought this is the reason why we write "LF: ..." in the subject of mail= s affecting 137 kHZ? Or have I misunderstood "the rules"? Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf03.mx.aol.com (rly-mf03.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.173]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF082-9504b1b715c340; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 03:55:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF036-9504b1b715c340; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 03:54:54 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHCsN-0003EV-MB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 08:53:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHCsN-0003EM-4L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 08:53:55 +0000 Received: from 113-mo2-8.acn.waw.pl ([62.121.95.113] helo=paranoid.lipkowski.org) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHCsM-0005PK-8o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 08:53:55 +0000 Received: from paranoid.lipkowski.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id nB68sS0L023570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 09:54:28 +0100 Received: from localhost (sq5bpf@localhost) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.6/Submit) with ESMTP id nB68sSmG023567 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 09:54:28 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: paranoid.lipkowski.org: sq5bpf owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 09:54:28 +0100 (CET) From: Jacek Lipkowski To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4B1B6D13.70009@online.fr> Message-ID: References: <4B1B6D13.70009@online.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score-sq5bpf: -2.601 () BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: W on 137.779kHz Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="17435139-605945682-1260089668=:17420" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --17435139-605945682-1260089668=:17420 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Sun, 6 Dec 2009, "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 (F1AFJ)" wrote: > Hi Jacek , Laurence , LF > I confirm "W" on 137.779 ! I think that it is UA4WPF . > Also trace of "Y" on 137.778 , RA3YO ??? the Y is clearly visible here also:=20 http://acid.ch.pw.edu.pl/~sq5bpf/grabber/ i wish beaconing stations would announce beforehand, so that we know who= =20 we are receiving :) 73 Jacek / SQ5BPF --17435139-605945682-1260089668=:17420-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (rly-mb03.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.161]) by air-mb01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB013-cfb4b1978dc25e; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:02:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB037-cfb4b1978dc25e; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:02:21 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGfH3-0002Di-J4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:01:09 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGfH3-0002DZ-3j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:01:09 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGfH1-0000Uq-Eo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:01:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 2240 invoked by uid 507); 4 Dec 2009 22:00:43 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 22:00:43 +0100 Message-ID: <200912042200570285.01038188@smtp2.numeo.fr> In-Reply-To: <778502A52141494DA85FD6F121E71A01@lindavideo> References: <000a01ca74ff$163eb010$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <778502A52141494DA85FD6F121E71A01@lindavideo> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:00:57 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: FUSE TEST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On 04/12/2009 at 20:22 Ken wrote: >The ceramic fuses in 13A plug tops usually have a 100% overload >capabiliy, this was also the case for some of the BT fuses. > >Ken >de M0KHW I believe they are supposed to be able to clear 7000A short circuit (in ca= se the installation is too close to the substation). John F5VLF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (rly-dd02.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.149]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD021-b5f4b1fa4d6146; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:23:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD021-b5f4b1fa4d6146; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:23:36 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIMVG-0001Lw-G0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:22:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIMVG-0001Ln-3W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:22:50 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate05.web.de ([217.72.192.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIMVE-0002tS-Uv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:22:50 +0000 Received: from web.de by fmmailgate05.web.de (Postfix) with SMTP id D1A425CE3ABC for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 14:22:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from [88.76.59.99] by freemailng2503.web.de with HTTP; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:22:42 +0100 Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:22:42 +0100 Message-Id: <1527851280@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?iso-8859-15?Q?Horst_St=F6cker?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-Provags-Id: V01U2FsdGVkX19UxG5syjsDDsdqnmXw8X2PMbyKqWDlALFONR3mXrbR6+IBP zA6T3PRg1gCPUHGr4aUoxkSJf7N3o09UzHsr8XKDTdGjVkX5MaHgqG2Y4lv+ A== X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: SAQ Testing Now Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) SAQ seems to continue testing now . . . Horst > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: "M0FMT" > Gesendet: 09.12.09 14:14:18 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: Re: LF: SAQ Testing Now > Maybe too late but nothing heard hear IO91UX Hitchin Herts UK. .....=20 > Four Alpha stations loud and clear a bit further down the band though. > .... Conditions have improved ! >=20 > 73 Petefmt >=20 > --- On *Wed, 9/12/09, Johan H. Bodin * wrote: >=20 > From: Johan H. Bodin > Subject: Re: LF: SAQ Testing Now > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 12:46 >=20 > Still testing at 1247 UTC > Johan SM6LKM >=20 > Lee Hudson wrote: > > 17.2kHz > >=20 > > Lee. > > M0LMH. >=20 >=20 >=20 ______________________________________________________ GRATIS f=FCr alle WEB.DE-Nutzer: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://movieflat.web.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf06.mx.aol.com (rly-mf06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.176]) by air-mf02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF023-9654b373d423dd; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 05:56:09 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF063-9654b373d423dd; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 05:56:03 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOqmD-0001tX-P9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:55:09 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOqmD-0001tO-3r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:55:09 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOqmA-00069r-JX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:55:09 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBRAt5jx013673 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 11:55:05 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 11:55:05 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 11:55:09 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AD05@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <80578.2091.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Thread-Index: AcqGjK03oSDfI/A1TTSg8mxcRwCG4AAVgSNA From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.647;26.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.27.104526 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA86E3.0C1793AF" Subject: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_90_100, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA86E3.0C1793AF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Alan, tnx, i have printed your article and will read it now at breakfas= t ;-) =20 Perhaps I will come back with some questions... J =20 73, Stefan/DK7FC -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von ALAN MELIA Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Dezember 2009 01:32 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna =20 Hi Stephan yes the aerialls will be very close compared with the wavelengt= h so they will interact particularly is tuned. We did some measurements ar= Finbar's location several years ago http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/aecouple.htm=20 The interaction was measured on an antenna RF bridge, and demonstrates th= e coupling between two wires. Best Wishes Alan G3NYK =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA86E3.0C1793AF Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Alan,= tnx, i have printed your article and will read it now at breakfast ;-)

 

Perhaps= I will come back with some questions… J

 

73, Stef= an/DK7FC

-----Urspr=FCngl= iche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org] Im Auftrag von ALAN= MELIA
Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Deze= mber 2009 01:32
An: rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org
Betreff: Re: LF: Influence= of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna

 

Hi Stephan yes the aerialls will= be very close compared with the wavelength so they will interact particularly is tuned= . We did some measurements ar Finbar's location several years ago
http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/aecouple.htm

The interaction was measured on an antenna  RF bridge, and demonstr= ates the coupling between two wires.

Best Wishes
Alan G3NYK

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01CA86E3.0C1793AF-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df11.mx.aol.com (rly-df11.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.24]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF011-58e4b2ed0d37c; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:35:30 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df11.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF117-58e4b2ed0d37c; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:35:17 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMX5B-0008NZ-FW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 01:29:09 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMX5A-0008NQ-VP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 01:29:09 +0000 Received: from web63601.mail.re1.yahoo.com ([69.147.97.71]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMX9w-0007n0-QY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 01:34:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 11799 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Dec 2009 01:33:58 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1261359238; bh=Ahtd2g94Pnjg0c+VVEjZG6LJv7MEifDYrcl0/IMqXGY=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QY4G9Vu2jjIhXd7oHjT9nwNYyyL/0pI0pkVOPSe8SMqd81SPsbkB9Wk4W6SnUwsMn0GCry+TlTbqu6kR/Pxg1vU7XmxL/Bw571coLJ/3WwR7MoK1YtVDnTXLZGzawX2j56+eo/37dPslDimwbyVp2I4Vk8BiAkBgkY8vrbp8CA0= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Px+Vm6JiAjsfKZJ8G1yj4Fu7SaPcQm/TVm5DFfEyxtPGWvb6c0qpxp8/lxlC9A2TOPXvq8E8j77ijiBTa3eERoY02Li7iCGxMWi3kgqi0s67JX6a4LHA5nCzeT3KPzyxYf1xJykZw9eX449jK5RBbxnKkM/PF+4kGEX05qnPWl0=; Message-ID: <920501.11676.qm@web63601.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: h_.nJowVM1m.i14OoeBtbVWs4WMMWg9hoGr5sNOtK.0odi00KSmmC.ef.2bqX4JnE7zNsNxAaX5pqNCk1RIMZ5fV2sJXA7qq7zIPKTOevGC9ePq1UiulHRAwOCnQ5qicRIswqDOWqOWdUK.TlZ8NpIRH_Ug4SZ8DoT4mtyOEbpYH3ds7lSGrNe3OPo1IZHkEsXGot_SOnNaVFXnORsquPaLdUleR1N68lCFUk5pN6pZy6O3rCgLpPOtyGOfaEhUCieB6.brK57sWHv9MOHZvLrjwbGSK4sk15fgnVeq1tByts7vfYnl5sqagPpX5SodtOman9ZWjvxJln79Bk7RniIo_r.yJM8FNx3RuphKYVHzq_7d9Ih4v9NO.yB6A_6nCOZceqz_ijc6mjuPb0UakJ47guC2brXevMG2JeirqcrnlFL7E8.kEtaSUkUsTIsjEYRpWFTUe3u_jREzl1S1t.zS60szKwGtcd5RT Received: from [24.151.191.133] by web63601.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:33:58 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:33:58 -0800 (PST) From: Andy - KU4XR To: " European & UK\) and MedFer bandsDiscussion of the Lowfer \(US" , rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, Part-15 Yahoo , 600 meter group In-Reply-To: <953616.19379.qm@web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: bad (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: LIVE audio stream of tonites 510 KHz USB net @ 02:00 UTC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d236.2 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : fail Reception is getting stronger now as the evening goes by. NDB " HMY " in Lexington, OK ( not KY ) rising to very strong levels. Even beginning to hear NDB " OF " in Norfolk, NE in the background. I am trying an experiment with my LOWfer vertical, and HF Dipoles. I have a series of coils wired togetehr in a series configuration. I tapped the vertical for maximum signals, on one end if the coils. Then on the other end started tapping until I found the point of best S/N ratio. May not be a true noise cancelling setup but seems to be working. Hope the guys in the North East come in good tonite, we'll see: Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29866 KHz ( QRSS-60 ) Coordinates: N: 35* 43' 54" - W: 84* 3' 16" http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr http://webpages.charter.net/ku4xr/ > > http://www.shoutcast.com/Internet-Radio/ku4xr > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.74]) by air-di02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI021-eaba4b24ba4c2ce; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 04:56:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7C2B6380000B4; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 04:56:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJlAS-0001aH-U1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:55:08 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJlAS-0001a6-DD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:55:08 +0000 Received: from psmtp08.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.22]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJlAt-00020b-M4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:55:37 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp08.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KUL0037N4WH1E@psmtp08.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:55:30 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:55:30 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <92615D39595E416F9C5C499EA195F852@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: XKO 13-12.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_jabnrNQL2ArwsKVjOiIkXQ)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/59368 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404a4b24ba4b621e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --Boundary_(ID_jabnrNQL2ArwsKVjOiIkXQ) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_oX8lv56fqCp4iHow07JNEA)" --Boundary_(ID_oX8lv56fqCp4iHow07JNEA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi LF, Capture Xko? 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Hi LF,
Capture Xko?
Henny pa3cpm
best 73s
Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld.
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Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) On Mon, 7 Dec 2009, Paul-Henrik wrote: > [...] Luxembourg effect, transmitter IMD or just me missing the point? maybe just mixing by some rusty junction? (long rusty fence or something similar) does the imd vary when the weather is dry, and suddenly rain falls? jacek From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me03.mx.aol.com (rly-me03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.36]) by air-me10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME104-9a64b24caadf3; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 06:06:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME032-9a64b24caadf3; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 06:06:22 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJmFn-0002Jw-1Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:04:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJmFm-0002Jn-6w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:04:42 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJmG8-0003KZ-SJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:05:08 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so1541336bwz.4 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:05:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=MemKwgQN7+fNvusb9BsGZOJ9XtuKyg7bZ69cYMd8jbc=; b=VqMr2BKbAGwxv/TcCgcDyDC/JzF27Or9/jbmeNoSLNI2921+KriqDwkQ2e6aaLgvgy 86WGUNvml3KYlknPm3bOiOOl59qaapFiDzA7QuUjhDrOEW51RPWmS8lUTidCa8c44Qlz 7YpuvC58Oab6ciuMIbI5nmhRwCNF2Vg5IKf5E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=mWFTfdqBpMEtWBH78AAwFhDE14IREdb5lvwFonc7WjUDSXrCrO1WUG/7AcBt7miqXK EJ02kwCawAYjRyi6Lhx7WwvNwdS6yeRcW6XQf7hw7FGSQ1AEA2b0z2KH0P+vDl+lo9pW YKWjDJKtJt7hIckzCJjnUR+6he26bAXu9zCKY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.154.209 with SMTP id p17mr2035157bkw.104.1260702302914; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:05:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <241919.87622.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> <241919.87622.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:05:02 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2640912130305r3acb5e5fs991caaa1115d2255@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<< Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cd0eaeeca2e047a9a201b X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m225.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0015175cd0eaeeca2e047a9a201b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yes, 10MHz would be a better choice. I used 28MHz as it allowed both 136 and 500kHz transversion (is that a real word?) from within a single ham band with the same transverter (apart from PA filter) with a ham band only TX radio like the FT817. Using a TXCO of course would be an added aid to stability. The transverter unit was going to be finally boxed yesterday but we have been "grandson sitting" this weekend as mum and dad are poorly and now my wife has gone done with the same tummy bug as well! 73s Roger G3XBM 2009/12/10 ALAN MELIA > Hi Roger yes you are right of course its the drift within a qso period or > even an over that is most important. Very Good. > > I wonder whether the use of 10MHz as an "IF" would be a possibility? This > would allow readily available TCXOs or even OCXOs to be used for the LO. I > guess the split should be enough to allow your filter/diplexor to work. It > obviously only removes one source of drift, one cant do much about the 817, > but that also should be less at 10MHz? > > Alan G3NYK > > --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Roger Lapthorn wrote: > > > From: Roger Lapthorn > > Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<< > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 23:27 > > With the transverter "in the > > open" (rat's nest) on the desktop there is a > > warm-up drift of about 40Hz HF until things settle down. > > This has not been an issue with WSPR as the drift in a > > single TX slot is only about 1-2Hz usually (WSPR copes with > > this) and it soon settles down to 0Hz drift. I have not > > tried QRSS but imagine you'd have to ensure the xtal > > oscillator is made more thermally stable for v.slow QRSS, > > but would guess it would be OK for some moderate QRSS > > operation. Putting the whole unit in a box should help. > > > > > > My little circuit works, but is surely capable of much > > improvement, HI. > > > > 73s > > Roger G3XBM > > > > 2009/12/9 ALAN MELIA > > > > Sounds good Roger and Graham... > > what it the stability like the problem with > > transverters/upconverters normally is that while ok for some > > modes they are often not stable enough for the very weak > > signal modes. These are modes where you need to know the > > frequency of a station very accurately because you will not > > hear it, or it will only pop above the noise for short > > periods. > > > > > > > > > > Alan G3NYK > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Graham > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Graham > > > > > Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter > > >>DATA MODES<< > > > > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > > > > Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 22:13 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All > > > > > > > > > > This latest > > > > > addition to the > > > > > HF / MF tx convertor opens the door > > > > > to data > > > > > communications on 500 ... ranging from > > > > > 'all' the K1JT systems > > > > > through to the single carrier > > > > > multi tone > > > > > systems of > > > > > MFSK , DOMINO and THOR .. even > > > > > the almost > > > > > forgotten Amtor-arq and Packtor modes , anyone > > > > > still have > > > > > there pk232 > > > > > > > > > > listed are > > > > > data modes that may be used with > > > > > non-linear systems :- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/meat-grinder-comms > > > > > > > > > > G.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Roger > > > > > Lapthorn > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 12:20 AM > > > > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX > > > > > transverter > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > My WSPR tx up-converter has now been modified to > > > > > a full TX/RX tranverter suitable for WSPR, QRSS and > > > > > CW in a > > > > > very simple way, making use of the FT817 split > > > > > facility which allows you > > > > > to RX on 500kHz and TX on 28MHz. By adding a series > > LC > > > > > between the TX PA and the > > > > > FT817 input/output RF connection (with back-to-back > > diodes > > > > > at the L and C > > > > > junction, this allows "pass through" from > > the > > > > > 500kHz ATU to the FT817 on RX > > > > > (tuned to 500kHz). On TX, the diodes conduct and the C > > part > > > > > is in parallel with > > > > > the first cap in the TX low pass filter. This scheme > > is now > > > > > working really well > > > > > with good RX sensitivity and no change in TX power > > out. > > > > > > > > > > Schematic of the > > > > > transverter is on my blog at http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > > > > > . My > > > > > attempt to add it as an attachment to an email here > > earlier > > > > > failed. > > > > > > > > > > This more or less concludes my 500kHz experimenting, > > apart > > > > > from > > > > > getting a few more CW QSOs in the log. It's been > > great > > > > > fun all the way with lots > > > > > of support from folks here. I was going to try 136kHz, > > but > > > > > think I will now give > > > > > this a miss for now. > > > > > > > > > > 73s > > > > > Roger G3XBM > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > > > > > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > > > > > G3XBM > > > > > GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > > > > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > > > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0015175cd0eaeeca2e047a9a201b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, 10MHz would be a better choice. I used 28MHz as it allowed both 136= and 500kHz transversion (is that a real word?) from within a single ham= band with the same transverter (apart from PA filter) with a ham band onl= y TX radio like the FT817. Using a TXCO of course would be an added aid to= stability.

The transverter unit was going to be finally boxed yesterday but we ha= ve been "grandson sitting" this weekend as mum and dad are poorl= y and now my wife has gone done with the same tummy bug as well!

73= s
Roger G3XBM


2009/12/10 ALAN MELIA <alan.meli= a@btinternet.com>
Hi Roger yes you are right of course its the drift within a qso period or= even an over that is most important. Very Good.

I wonder whether the use of 10MHz as an "IF" would be a possibil= ity? This would allow readily available TCXOs or even OCXOs to be used for= the LO. I guess the split should be enough to allow your filter/diplexor= to work. It obviously only removes one source of drift, one cant do much= about the 817, but that also should be less at 10MHz?

Alan G3NYK

--- On Wed, 9/12/09, Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Roger Lapthorn <r= ogerlapthorn@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODE= S<<
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 23:27
> With the transverter "in the > open" (rat's nest) on the desktop there is a
> warm-up drift of about 40Hz HF until things settle down.
> This has not been an issue with WSPR as the drift in a
> single TX slot is only about 1-2Hz usually (WSPR copes with
> this) and it soon settles down to 0Hz drift. I have not
> tried QRSS but imagine you'd have to ensure the xtal
> oscillator is made more thermally stable for v.slow QRSS,
> but would guess it would be OK for some moderate QRSS
> operation. Putting the whole unit in a box should help.
>
>
> My little circuit works, but is surely capable of much
> improvement, HI.
>
> 73s
> Roger G3XBM
>
> 2009/12/9 ALAN MELIA <alan.melia@btinternet.com>
>
> Sounds good Roger and Graham...
> what it the stability like the problem with
> transverters/upconverters normally is that while ok for some
> modes they are =A0often not stable enough for the very weak
> signal modes. These are modes where you need to know the
> frequency of a station very accurately because you will not
> hear it, or it will only pop above the noise for short
> periods.
>
>
>
>
> Alan G3NYK
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > From: Graham <g8fz= k@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
>
> > Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter
> >>DATA MODES<<
>
> > To: rsgb_lf_grou= p@blacksheep.org
>
> > Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 22:13
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > All
>
> >
>
> > This =A0latest
>
> > addition to =A0the
>
> > HF / MF =A0tx convertor =A0opens the =A0door
>
> > to =A0data
>
> > communications =A0on 500 ... ranging =A0from
>
> > 'all' =A0the K1JT systems
>
> > through to =A0the =A0single carrier
>
> > multi =A0tone
>
> > systems =A0of
>
> > MFSK =A0, =A0DOMINO and THOR =A0.. even
>
> > the =A0almost
>
> > forgotten =A0Amtor-arq =A0and Packtor modes , anyone
>
> > still =A0have
>
> > there pk232
>
> >
>
> > listed =A0are
>
> > data =A0modes that =A0may be =A0used with
>
> > non-linear systems :-
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/m= eat-grinder-comms
>
> >
>
> > G..
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > From: Roger
>
> > Lapthorn
>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 12:20 AM
>
> > To: rsgb_lf_grou= p@blacksheep.org
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX
>
> > transverter
>
> >
>
> > Dear All,
>
> >
>
> > My WSPR tx up-converter has now been modified to
>
> > a full TX/RX tranverter suitable for WSPR, QRSS and
>
> > CW =A0in a
>
> > very simple way, making use of the FT817 split
>
> > facility which allows you
>
> > to RX on 500kHz and TX on 28MHz. By adding a series
> LC
>
> > between the TX PA and the
>
> > FT817 input/output RF connection (with back-to-back
> diodes
>
> > at the L and C
>
> > junction, this allows "pass through" from
> the
>
> > 500kHz ATU to the FT817 on RX
>
> > (tuned to 500kHz). On TX, the diodes conduct and the C
> part
>
> > is in parallel with
>
> > the first cap in the TX low pass filter. This scheme
> is now
>
> > working really well
>
> > with good RX sensitivity and no change in TX power
> out.
>
> >
>
> > Schematic of the
>
> > transverter is on my blog at http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
>
> > . My
>
> > attempt to add it as an attachment to an email here
> earlier
>
> > failed.
>
> >
>
> > This more or less concludes my 500kHz experimenting,
> apart
>
> > from
>
> > getting a few more CW QSOs in the log. It's been
> great
>
> > fun all the way with lots
>
> > of support from folks here. I was going to try 136kHz,
> but
>
> > think I will now give
>
> > this a miss for now.
>
> >
>
> > 73s
>
> > Roger G3XBM
>
> > --
>
> >
>
> >
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > htt= p://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
>
> > http://www.= g3xbm.co.uk
>
> > G3XBM
>
> > =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> http://g= 3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
> http://www.g3xbm= .co.uk
>
> G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088
>
>




--
----------= ---------------------------------------------------
http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088
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England -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Oberreiter Oswald Sent: 28 December 2009 15:22 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: OE5ODL hallo stefan! servus ja das waren mit dem 2watt text 2 watt in ,an der antenne nacher die 5er waren ca 70 watt in ok ja dann noch viel spass und einen guten rutsch awdh 55 dx mit deiner hohen antenne servus de oe5odl Stefan Schfer schrieb: > Hey Ossi, > I just saw your 2W test on the DF6NM Grabber. 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Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKnlc-0008W8-13 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 06:53:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKnlb-0008Vz-Nj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 06:53:47 +0000 Received: from mail-out4.netspace.net.au ([203.10.110.77] helo=smtp.netspace.net.au) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKnnJ-0002oC-D5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 06:55:36 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (220-253-100-202.TAS.netspace.net.au [220.253.100.202]) by smtp.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2DEE43763F3 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:55:49 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <4B28846F.8010504@netspace.net.au> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:55:43 +1100 From: Richard Rogers User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: General Electric Review 1920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) G'day. There's a copy of the General Electric Review on Ebay at the moment which contains articles about the Anderson alternator and aerial system as used at SAQ. See http://shop.ebay.com.au/rdc1601/m.html?_dmd=1&_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1 -- 73, Ric, VK7RO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.17]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF063-5ef84b39ccab24; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 04:32:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C1DBB380000BC; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 04:32:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPYQ9-00089n-Mo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 09:31:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPYQ9-00089e-91 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 09:31:17 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPYQ7-0002d2-AO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 09:31:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 2381 invoked by uid 507); 29 Dec 2009 10:31:00 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2009 10:31:00 +0100 Message-ID: <200912291031040414.59AABDD1@smtp2.numeo.fr> In-Reply-To: <000f01ca7fc2$c666f6a0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> References: <1542517694@web.de> <6F962616C1CC4C1B844AF099CB1BB55D@lindavideo> <000f01ca7fc2$c666f6a0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:31:04 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41114b39ccaa31e5 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Agreed we should be careful. My Creative Labs soundcard (external USB) ha= s SPDIF optical connectors as well as electrical. The Optical Out connect= or emits a faint red light but I can't find any mention of safety in the= user manual. F5VLF *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 18/12/2009 at 09:16 mal hamilton wrote: >Radio Amateurs BEWARE - Appliance Operators DO NOT TOUCH > >G3KEV > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ken" >To: >Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 10:43 AM >Subject: LF: Re: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX >signals > > >> Optical fibres are fine for transmission and remove all the problems of >> interference and cross talk at a stroke, but please be careful and >observe >> optical safety precautions when using lasers and other light sources.= I >> worked on optical systems for many years during my time with BT, and >optical >> safety took priority over every thing else. All optical fibres need to >have >> a perfect cleave on the ends, and the connectors be absolutely clean,= if >> you are not launching into an optical connector then alignment will be= a >> problem, similarly at the receive end. >> >> >> 73. >> Ken >> >> M0KHW >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Horst St=F6cker" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:01 AM >> Subject: LF: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX >signals >> >> >> In theory it's a good Idea which I had some weeks before without workin= g >it >> out. >> >> Years before I also have made tests with FTA (free to air) optical >> transmissions with a DL2CH-Transceiver and a TRX-Kit by Aatis which is >quite >> much simpler. >> Even with that it was no problem to link between two points about a few >> meters. >> >> In this case you should think about an IR-LED. Unfortunately, the Aatis >> receiver has a photo transistor instead of a diode. But it should be no >> great deal to modify that. >> >> The problems with FTA optic transmission for this application are imho: >> - You have to be sure, that no one can be injured by the laser beam, >> especially at unattended operation. >> - Think about how many hours/the beam has it's full power before becomi= ng >> much weaker. >> - The optics must be kept clean. This could be a problem if the units= are >> out of reach. >> - The units have to be mounted absolutely stable. For Example, on a >swinging >> fibre rod you'll never bring a laser beam exactly to the rx area. >> >> I bet, (FTA) optical transmission just changes one problem with a few >> others. >> >> But the transmission with optical cable seems interesting. >> >> What type of cable do you suggest? I do not think, my TOS-Link cable >would >> stand weather/UV and mechanical conditions outside for a long time. >> >> Horst DO1KHS >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! >> http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ >> >> >> >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (rly-dd09.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.156]) by air-dd05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD053-b9b4b333d2e28c; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 05:06:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD095-b9b4b333d2e28c; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 05:06:40 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNkZf-0007nl-GE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:05:39 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNkZf-0007nc-49 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:05:39 +0000 Received: from smtp01.online.nl ([194.134.41.31]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNkZd-0000VW-9W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:05:39 +0000 Received: from smtp01.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp01.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E6CF8E06E for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:05:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp01.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:05:35 +0100 (CET) From: To: Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:05:35 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1A79A99233BC4C6B81CF8FFFA554537A@SN046981320192> X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp01.online.nl) X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: RE: Re: Ropex Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Send it to you directly 73 Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens G4GED Dave Verzonden: woensdag 23 december 2009 20:48 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: Re: Ropex Yes please Victor! 73 Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "blacksheep" > > for who is interested,I just got from Henny,PA3CPM the schematic and the > componentlayout from the Ropex first.I can sent the files to everybody who > is interested, > PA3FNY From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg08.mx.aol.com (rly-dg08.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.92]) by air-dg07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG074-5e34b223b6e324; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 07:30:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG082-5e34b223b6e324; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 07:30:40 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ4ci-0006KZ-Fi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:29:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ4ci-0006KQ-3G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:29:28 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ4ch-00007T-Gb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:29:28 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBBAnhvv014024 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:49:44 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:29:25 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:29:21 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC12@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <1260444821.6353.65.camel@vaio3rd> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Thread-Index: Acp5jU7JedRlLtPOSkaTwV6z1rGGMQAz57uw From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.616;10.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.11.121526 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear LF,=20 Does anybody know about the "gain" between QRSS3 and QRSS10 or QRSS30? I= mean, if the noise in both cases is equal, how much can I reduce my tx pw= r when switching from qrss3 to qrss10? Or isn't it possible to give such= a relation? And: Was there ever a TA QSO in QRSS3? I am new on the reflector, sri ;-) Stefan / DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (rly-mc03.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.87]) by air-mc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC072-d634b253f6f323; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:24:37 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC033-d634b253f6f323; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:24:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJu1Z-0007oh-94 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:22:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJu1Y-0007oY-UA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:22:32 +0000 Received: from mx34.mail.ru ([94.100.176.48]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJu26-0005sI-3S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:23:08 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=22088 helo=EFREMOV) by mx34.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NJu25-000ATI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:23:05 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <00d301ca7c29$aa8c5f70$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: References: <286ACBB4A14E40BD9C16AFC9DBD0953B@ns94d01ae4d850> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:22:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: AGC OE5 12-12.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Thanks Henny! 73 Andrey > Capture Agc Oe5 > heny pa3cpm > 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: > AGC OE5 12-12.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde > bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden > afgehandeld. > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (rly-mg10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.116]) by air-mg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG064-a3c4b1e806671; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:36:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG106-a3c4b1e806671; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:35:53 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NI31X-0006GE-KD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:34:51 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NI31X-0006G5-3k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:34:51 +0000 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NI31V-0000lU-5C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:34:51 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwEAIwOHktZ8eyJ/2dsb2JhbACOFQbLM4QyBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,363,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="287285646" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.241.236.137]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 08 Dec 2009 16:33:27 +0000 Message-ID: <001e01ca7824$2a1fbfc0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:33:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Beacons Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA7824.29E68750" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA7824.29E68750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Several beacons observed at present 1600 utc, one strange one is WC WC= vy strong 503.5 kcs Other ham beacons from DL, SM, LA G de g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA7824.29E68750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Several beacons observed at present= 1600 utc, one=20 strange one is WC WC vy strong 503.5 kcs
Other ham beacons from DL, SM, LA G
de g3kev
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA7824.29E68750-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df02.mx.aol.com (rly-df02.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.15]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF014-5304b212b501a1; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:10:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF023-5304b212b501a1; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:09:38 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NImVJ-0003UZ-Es for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:08:37 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NImVI-0003UQ-Ul for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:08:36 +0000 Received: from web28101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.121]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NImVI-0001zO-Pi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:08:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 91697 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Dec 2009 17:08:31 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1260464911; bh=BhUhgEjlMDRQqm1LMEFgvuHh1ZunKK/JJESed91NbLM=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=L9OqelavRNIKukzWCUDZ6N5KaEY7oEyp3XLVsKh7jNML63uHwMaGGWNEPAwjROkBxIUs8ZcCr7SyxlwZoiQGm7nqy7F130VQaZtklwRCK/S+YCJ30yZO833yRxu2tc/uzn1S9L1J+VHcmX1exgR1an+MXgeF2ZAKri4bpg+fGsY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uTBKw1qef9+ynMsHdtKPKoIfbPN8Oa1v7M1sJTyG35FlZF8AnEPmt1sDV8cSx+4ThQVPlpqWa7PCTV5n9byIecwt32NxDKFhE4IgfB0l4YtqteCHBRWvr6dGCrtsd+jphOD5tyLaFz2ZfQGiHF9wfBsNY54KoxSs9SbEqh7nCsg=; Message-ID: <188094.91471.qm@web28101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: PuqmxG8VM1mgA396g.9AjTjRW5QJI34TTE.SUg7yacxqUN42OIiGty8zqpXh76pyhP22N46VshMxR_fy3A5GH0Tsx7xphKcU7MBZEcbW0ohsrDyApbg4UnQKH0SJMtKzv4yPb1a72YwHTibdOkrmkzCZ4PoWWEmm16I4Inwv8frSXoxQXl2Fmtssm0EmywrrT_aYQhvTeRECiSY8DMn3ShAXwwh38zsbKtnnTTUDIpij0dAgRaAoK8UKQIfNi4iVBZjw20tPON1YQIHCX98- Received: from [86.130.60.127] by web28101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:08:31 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:08:31 +0000 (GMT) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <200912101715590351.01D55848@smtp2.numeo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: Geneva and WRC-12 Agenda Items Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1497185761-1260464911=:91471" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m258.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-1497185761-1260464911=:91471 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi John =A0 Just to make it clear, in case my local Tax man is also a Radio Amateur in= terested in LF and subscribes to this reflector. The "cheque" is to cover= the International signed for 'extortionate' postal costs between=A0the UK= and=A0France, fellow members of the EU. It is apparently an Airmail servi= ce I guess=A0via the Pole, the=A0South Pole judging by the=A0time it has= taken (almost 7 Days)! =A0 Well=A0I am glad it has arrived and my job is done. =A0 73 and enjoy in good health Petefmt. --- On Thu, 10/12/09, John RABSON wrote: From: John RABSON Subject: Re: LF: Geneva and WRC-12 Agenda Items To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thursday, 10 December, 2009, 16:15 Hi Pete, It arrived yesterday, just as I was taking my XYL out to celebrate our wed= ding anniversary.=A0 I have now unpacked the parcel. Many thanks for all your efforts.=A0 I have subscribed to the soft rock Ya= hoo group and realise I have a lot to learn. Cheque sent to you (Oh dear!=A0 that sounds like "our cheque is in the pos= t"). 73 John *********** REPLY SEPARATOR=A0 *********** On 10/12/2009 at 06:54 M0FMT wrote: >Hi John >=A0 >Have you received my parcel yet,=A0with the soft rock ? >=A0 >73 petefmt =20 --0-1497185761-1260464911=:91471 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi John
 
Just to make it clear, in case my local Tax man is also a Radio Amate= ur interested in LF and subscribes to this refle= ctor. The "cheque" is to cover the International signed for 'extortionate'= postal costs between the UK and France, fellow members of the= EU. It is apparently an Airmail service I guess via the Pole, the&nb= sp;South Pole judging by the time it has taken (almost 7 Days)!
 
Well I am glad it has arrived and my job is done.
 
73 and enjoy in good health Petefmt.


--- On Thu, 10/12/09, John RABSON <john.rabson@numeo= .fr> wrote:

From: John RABSON <john.rabson@numeo.fr>=
Subject: Re: LF: Geneva and WRC-12 Agenda Items
To: rsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org
Date: Thursday, 10 December, 2009, 16:15

Hi Pete,

It arrived yesterday, just as I was= taking my XYL out to celebrate our wedding anniversary.  I have now= unpacked the parcel.

Many thanks for all your efforts.  I hav= e subscribed to the soft rock Yahoo group and realise I have a lot to lear= n.

Cheque sent to you (Oh dear!  that sounds like "our cheque= is in the post").

73
John

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR&nb= sp; ***********

On 10/12/2009 at 06:54 M0FMT wrote:

>Hi= John
> 
>Have you received my parcel yet, with the= soft rock ?
> 
>73 petefmt





=20 --0-1497185761-1260464911=:91471-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (rly-dd03.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.150]) by air-dd06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD062-b674b34bd9c2d8; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 08:27:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD031-b674b34bd9c2d8; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 08:26:54 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOAB3-0002U1-IZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:25:57 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOAB3-0002Ts-3g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:25:57 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOAB1-0007Rr-9S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:25:57 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so5885554bwz.4 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 05:25:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=p56CBt7vHInsEEAExrFhZTl2uxv7K4+qLi1C+UZWK2A=; b=WAEEZSKrI5kuW9Hh3qxentocnxr0xXDD++KJitaERqJjvcyxF1ca+i9z55oHjF8ox8 L5R8g7DLZSxLdTcGa+bn0igIkGlUivtNO8VbBsTB5hd3RAJEb3SVHFD0XBg3h6jMg7wS UOSXDEMsXBkuvUY1ZEsDn8g6MORZ7umVIlNl0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=V3K3py+PtVJJ5sutUaUnE+SNkaAeFIGKVNZ6zEmdHcuA8mTg4AFUcIIZ7D5kvXjm6O wzllSHeq0ejo1K75o0WpdTNRcMH+hFVOin9Z8aaPAVAfIJrhqyyEep+iynfVIsNuY9HP Pqe2kma1PajrAPuSXEa7JfaZ25EZXfAvwtJ74= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.15.11 with SMTP id i11mr4598044bka.9.1261747547606; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 05:25:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <539203.98380.qm@web28101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <6949F910A2A945058B164FC3443B420B@JimPC> <539203.98380.qm@web28101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:25:47 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2640912250525l14e4aaf7y6006a537a8ad102@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: Tnx fer Xmas day QSO G3KEV es XIZ; HNY to all. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325558ee25f1252047b8d7e55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m222.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000325558ee25f1252047b8d7e55 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 A very happy Christmas to everyone here. Thank you all for your encouragement and help on 500kHz these last few months. I hope Father Christmas brought you lots of nice ham gear/books and the New Year brings you lots of good DX and much happiness. No 500kHz activity at the moment as I'm with my son and his family in Kent. Back on tomorrow. 73s Roger G3XBM Unable to be on the air at the moment as we are in Canterbury with our son's family. 2009/12/25 M0FMT > > Hi Mal es Chris tnx fer nice Xmas morning QSOs. > > Raising a pint of Fullers right now to u both .....cheers! > > 73 es GL petefmt > > > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --000325558ee25f1252047b8d7e55 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A very happy Christmas to everyone here.

Thank you all for your en= couragement and help on 500kHz these last few months. I hope Father Christ= mas brought you lots of nice ham gear/books and the New Year brings you lo= ts of good DX and much happiness.

No 500kHz activity at the moment as I'm with my son and his family= in Kent. Back on tomorrow.

73s
Roger G3XBM


Unable to= be on the air at the moment as we are in Canterbury with our son's fa= mily.

2009/12/25 M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
=A0
Hi Mal es Chris tnx fer nice Xmas=A0morning QSOs.
=A0
Raising a pint of Fullers right now to u both .....cheers!

73= es GL petefmt

=A0




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http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088
--000325558ee25f1252047b8d7e55-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de10.mx.aol.com (rly-de10.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.146]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE071-5094b22eef3329; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:16:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE104-5094b22eef3329; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:16:36 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJGaG-0004NO-HE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:15:44 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJGaG-0004NE-5s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:15:44 +0000 Received: from defout.telus.net ([199.185.220.240]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJGaE-0004Sm-6F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:15:44 +0000 Received: from edtnaa02.telusplanet.net ([75.157.163.71]) by priv-edtnes25.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091212011040.MSIM28811.priv-edtnes25.telusplanet.net@edtnaa02.telusplanet.net> for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:10:40 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.67] (d75-157-163-71.bchsia.telus.net [75.157.163.71]) by edtnaa02.telusplanet.net (BorderWare Security Platform) with ESMTP id 71F191C2EF8C81FA for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:10:40 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <4B22ED90.2000505@telus.net> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:10:40 +0000 From: Scott Tilley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: DCF39 very strong ! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Prop over the pole is very good right now on 2200m. Never heard DCF39 audible at sunset before and she's 20-25db over the noise. DCF39 has been visible on the plot all day (daylight) and has shot up in signal level to a point not seen before... I hope someone out there can fire up and make a try for the grabbers here. 73 Scott VE7TIL CN89dk http://www3.telus.net/sthed/argo/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db06.mx.aol.com (rly-db06.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.81]) by air-db05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB054-ace4b17c76a1c3; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:13:09 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB064-ace4b17c76a1c3; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:12:59 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGCPN-0001yT-NF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:11:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGCPN-0001yK-7E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:11:49 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGCPM-0005mj-In for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:11:49 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 03 Dec 2009 14:11:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO Uwe) [188.194.84.187] by mail.gmx.net (mp023) with SMTP; 03 Dec 2009 15:11:40 +0100 X-Authenticated: #9373712 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+4bSg3q364bW4lHZbOY13zTt00gpjwjVwAbfTiwY 88gS0q0YegYpah Message-ID: From: "Uwe Wensauer" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB0A@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 15:11:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.5600000000000001 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hallo Stefan, knntest Du mir den Schaltplan? 73 Uwe, dk1kq ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 11:12 AM Subject: AW: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Dear Lowfers, It's nice/funny, that my explanations gets such a resonance ;-) I can imagine about the problem of local QRM brought by the coax to the preamp. That brings me to new ideas at once. But actual I just want to do nice QSOs and so I will stop here since I am in a region without strong local QRM. That's one advantage of being /p :-) I've seen that the reflector hasn't even reflected my message with the circuit, although is has just a size of 60kB. I'll ask Bernd/DF8ZR to post it agn on his homepage and will give you the link then... 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md02.mx.aol.com (rly-md02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.140]) by air-md10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD103-8ee4b203326124; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:31:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD026-8ee4b203326124; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:30:48 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIVyp-0006Xk-L2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:29:59 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIVyp-0006Xa-1V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:29:59 +0000 Received: from web28108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.128]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIVyo-0004BV-Tw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:29:58 +0000 Received: (qmail 42829 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Dec 2009 23:29:53 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1260401393; bh=o+fV4vJBp63kZymQT6vanLPxFONw8eDXqV08ieWWWoQ=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xa1j2r+Q2cebwR5c7bsFOkraPXS0zTFUmLoMYia54BBECOyv0FaTKnJ1cpeu4AYE4Bmm773ieKE2Yw9jagEXG9KcLuP3C6ydr5xtYU47NElLR+kl7/R+uDImIrASHPD1IASjTtT+nuTJyAEdPM8NuoiVmwjeW4xnUUeYGjN/tnU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=aVfyXVgIhlDtv9vr9dV/XwYqjouqCp54aKFXx95aPD2KJzsNXvqESMCYe3d93nAJFKH6opWYPlUhVU7eJKRvYhWG9HBuVf1q3TK5CNaHUmO5oL+RkXp+w0OBEXb5trJSFVEQL5aV2jAmi2Mpa9bGt1lUl8+Sq6r/E5FCCA9IeUI=; Message-ID: <442802.42688.qm@web28108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: dBeM4qIVM1lzXfxk5iMCvlQgfzrJjfhVkzHah5sD2sJM7u5XrmrKT1Xc5ZkON5Bq0t5r0w91zdCmt1xXP5UQInLcPRn3579svZM2P0mRhnShnhXgdkm9IZg2plSOS22Qd0mdaJay7rEUR8_W0310SSZjnlZV281CyqdoWOuvCNUEWW2sjMhRuyvRewsnf3Du1Mg.8sUM8tYLouUFw8aOb.AV1e5uv0PgFnZDqRIxFHdOVBHHMGEMuDi0Z2J.T6YmPZ7j86JbclOBR8xMvdJH Received: from [86.130.68.177] by web28108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:29:52 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:29:52 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: TX-2200A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1716108341-1260401392=:42688" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d281.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-1716108341-1260401392=:42688 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0 Don't worry mate this copyright thing is out of control. The local CLUB to= me copyrights all it's projects and woebetide you try to copy their cribb= ed designs. No such thing as open source if you can put the letter "c" ins= ide a litttle circle. I've personally felt the indirect effects of this ki= nd of stupidity!! =A0 I agree a skeleton rig for 136 at 100watts cw only, xtal controlled=A0 bet= ween =A310 to =A330 tops depending on junk box and success at not blowing= FETs. =A0 73 petefmt --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Andy Talbot wrote: From: Andy Talbot Subject: Re: LF: TX-2200A To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 19:18 To quote the data sheet : =A0 "The TX-2200A=20 lets you turn the clock back and explore long waves, but with technology that the early pioneers could not even dream of. In a package around the same size as many transceivers this little gem of engineering will provide up to 100 Watts of output power." =A0 With a CW only option and if it really is a VFO, resulting poor stability= =A0its just an appalingingly ludicrous joke. =A0 And anyone buying such= just deserves the contempt they'll get using it. =A0 LF was alwatys considered to be the last bastion of real homebrew and expe= riimentation. Rant over. =A0 But kudos to the manufacturer if they can exploit the gullible :-)=A0=A0= =A0 I wonder if its a rip-off of any designs published in the open literat= ure here=A0 There have been quite a few 100 Watt 137 transmitters=A0weblic= ised - who will be the first to claim his copyright infringements. =A0 My 700 Watt Class D Tx=A0=A0 =A0http://www.g4jnt.com/137tx.pdf=A0 probably= would cost in the region of =A330 - =A340 buying most of the components,= but without the DDS driver.=A0 Never really priced it as new -=A0everythi= ng came from the junkbox. =A0 =A0 =A0 Andy www.g4jnt.com =A0 This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and sa= fety police =A0 =A0 =A0 2009/12/9 Warren Ziegler : > Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 > Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver > muting. > Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! > > http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf > > > > 73 Warren K2ORS > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WD2XGJ > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WD2XSH/23 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WE2XEB/2 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WE2XGR/1 > > =A0 =A0 =20 --0-1716108341-1260401392=:42688 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Don't worry mate this copyright thing is out of control. The local CL= UB to me copyrights all it's projects and woebetide you try to copy their cribbed designs. No such thing as open so= urce if you can put the letter "c" inside a litttle circle. I've personall= y felt the indirect effects of this kind of stupidity!!
 
I agree a skeleton rig for 136 at 100watts cw only, xtal controlled&n= bsp; between =A310 to =A330 tops depending on junk box and success at not= blowing FETs.
 
73 petefmt

--- On Wed, 9/12/09, Andy Talbot <andy.g4j= nt@googlemail.com> wrote:

From: Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.co= m>
Subject: Re: LF: TX-2200A
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
= Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 19:18

To quote the data sheet :
 
"The TX-2200A
lets you turn the clock back and explore long waves,
but with technology that the early pioneers could not
even dream of. In a package around the same size as
many transceivers this little gem of engineering will
provide up to 100 Watts of output power."
 
With a CW only option and if it really is a VFO, resulting poor stabi= lity  its just an appalingingly ludicrous joke.   And anyone buy= ing such just deserves the contempt they'll get using it.
 
LF was alwatys considered to be the last bastion of real homebrew and= experiimentation.
Rant over.
 
But kudos to the manufacturer if they can exploit the gullible :-)&nb= sp;   I wonder if its a rip-off of any designs published in the= open literature here  There have been quite a few 100 Watt 137 trans= mitters weblicised - who will be the first to claim his copyright inf= ringements.
 
My 700 Watt Class D Tx    http://www.g4jnt.com/137tx.p= df  probably would cost in the region of =A330 - =A340 buying mos= t of the components, but without the DDS driver.  Never really priced= it as new - everything came from the junkbox.
 
 
 
Andy
 
This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health= and safety police
 
 
 
2009/12/9 Warren Ziegler <wd2xgj@gmail.com>:
> Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A= 100
> Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiv= er
> muting.
> Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP!
>
>
>
>
> 73 Warren K2ORS
>                WD2XGJ
>                WD2XSH/23=
>                WE2XEB/2<= /DIV>
>                WE2XGR/1<= /DIV>
>
>
 
 

=20 --0-1716108341-1260401392=:42688-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de02.mx.aol.com (rly-de02.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.138]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE051-4b94b29105d2b4; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:53:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE024-4b94b29105d2b4; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:52:47 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKx3W-0006LV-9C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:48:54 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKx3V-0006LM-Ek for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:48:53 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKx5o-00051U-HW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:51:18 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBGGjdUS017659 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:45:40 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:51:14 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:51:16 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <88FB4290CF234F66933047AD790B3719@JimPC> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Thread-Index: Acp+VTLTYyAIoSUITii030LHU+fnswADmhLQ From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.626;16.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.16.163919 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA7E6F.FA862F49" Subject: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7E6F.FA862F49 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Lowfers,=20 I want to start a new subject (for me it's new)... The last weeks I still had RX problems, either with the tx antenna or with= the short E-flied RX antenna. I found out that the noise was/is generated by my notebook which made RXin= g difficult, even in regions without any else local QRM (what could almost= bring me to shut down the PC and just do nice and easy CW QSOs without an= ything else! (but most traffic is in QRSS...)). Then I have done mni tests with many many ferrite cores (that I found in= an older emc lab in our institute), e.g. 20x FT50-77 plus 20x FT50-43 plu= s 20x FT50-61 and e few others. I placed them all in series, partly in the= near of the preamp and/or in the near of the RX. Sure, there was a signif= icant reduction of noise but lastly the noise remains.=20 Accidentally, during a test with my VFO connected to the same 12V supply= of my preamp, I observed a strong line in the argo monitor EVEN without= an antenna (short wire) connected to the VFO and when turned the amplitud= e to zero! That meant for me, the VFO and its supply is not suppressed eno= ugh and so some RF comes to the preamp by the coax and supply line! (the= preamp is supplied by a battery). I thought, I can use this (normally unw= anted) coupling path to test the blocking capability of the ferrite cores= and so I tried it with all variations and later with an additional BIG fe= rrite core and many turns of RG174. As I meant, surely there is a signific= ant noise reduction but the line in argo was still well visible! What I have done then (since 4 days) is using a coupling link by an optic= transmission of the 137kHz signal between the preamp and my RX using a SF= H750V as= the TX Diode and a SFH350 as the RX and abt 20m of a fiber optic cable (yes, there= are surely more suited components but these were available in the moment)= . These are also used as optic links into high end audio systems and there= fore easy to get... Now, when placing the preamp on the same place then during the tests befor= e and just changing the coax by the fiber optic cable, the line by the VFO= was completely gone!! Just with an antenna connected to the VFO and high= amplitude (and thus e real near-field "connection") it came back. The ove= rall noise level decreased to its absolute minimum during all the tests.= =20 Before I used this optic cable the only signal that could be received (out= of the city with much much qrm) was DCF39 and DLF and so on. Now, DCF39= came out with much better SNR and I saw the first LF Stn at all, it was= Ossi / OE5ODL transmitting his 5s in the evening (tnx! very nice SNR in= QRSS3 mode). My conclusion is, that the qrm is always brought to the very sensitive E-f= ield antenna by the coax, even when doing many usual suppression methods= cause there always remains a residual coupling impedance between both sid= es of the cable. Furthermore a long coax cable, say 20m away from the shac= k carries some qrm to the near of the rx antenna so the effective distance= to the shack is always reduced. One small disadvantage of this method is the need for a battery supply. My= TX diode needs abt 20mA and is now working since 3 days with a 7AH Lead= Acid battery. In the future I plan to use a stereo optic cable. Then, one= could switch the preamp on and off by the seconds line doing it the oppos= ite way. So, smaller batteries could be used, which is necessary when moun= ting the preamp to a shaky fiber mast if one does not want to change the= batteries each few hours ;-) Signal distortion seems to be no problem, as I can confirm until now. Now, my K2 has an optical LF input! ;-) Perhaps this will give some ideas to the local qrm bothered stns who tried= everything with ferrite cores, isolating transformers and so on without= a satisfying result. NOTE: I do not know if anyone has tried this before and has written a publ= ication about that. My goal is not to be the hero in inventions, to become= popular and especially not to compete with anyone (like it seems to be us= ual in career/job to be the one who gets the pay rise) but just to share= my ideas to those who are interested to try something new (?). I do not= say that my solution is the best at all and so on! But, if it will help= only one Lowfer getting new ideas and improving his station, and if this= improvement results in more activity on the band, then it would have help= ed all of us! =20 =20 73s es 55 de Stefan / DK7FC ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7E6F.FA862F49 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Lowfers,

= I want to start a new subject (for me it's new)...

= The last weeks I still had RX problems, either with the tx antenna or with the short E-fl= ied RX antenna.

= I found out that the noise was/is generated by my notebook which made RXing difficult,= even in regions without any else local QRM (what could almost bring me to shut= down the PC and just do nice and easy CW QSOs without anything else! (but most traffic is in QRSS...)).

= Then I have done mni tests with many many ferrite cores (that I found in an older emc= lab in our institute), e.g. 20x FT50-77 plus 20x FT50-43 plus 20x FT50-61 and= e few others. I placed them all in series, partly in the near of the preamp and/= or in the near of the RX. Sure, there was a significant reduction of noise but= lastly the noise remains.

= Accidentally, during a test with my VFO connected to the same 12V supply of my preamp,= I observed a strong line in the argo monitor EVEN without an antenna (short wire) connected to the VFO and when turned the amplitude to zero! That meant for= me, the VFO and its supply is not suppressed enough and so some RF comes to the pr= eamp by the coax and supply line! (the preamp is supplied by a battery). I thou= ght, I can use this (normally unwanted) coupling path to test the blocking capabi= lity of the ferrite cores and so I tried it with all variations and later with= an additional BIG ferrite core and many turns of RG174. As I meant, surely th= ere is a significant noise reduction but the line in argo was still well visib= le!

= What I have done then (since 4 days) is using a coupling link by an optic transmission= of the 137kHz signal between the preamp and my RX using a SFH750V as the TX Diode and a SFH350 as the RX and abt 20m of a fiber optic cable (yes, there are surely more= suited components but these were available in the moment). These are also used as optic links into high end audio systems and therefore easy to get...

= Now, when placing the preamp on the same place then during the tests before and just changing the coax by the fiber optic cable, the line by the VFO was comple= tely gone!! Just with an antenna connected to the VFO and high amplitude (and= thus e real near-field “connection”) it came back. The overall noise= level decreased to its absolute minimum during all the tests.

= Before I used this optic cable the only signal that could be received (out of the city= with much much qrm) was DCF39 and DLF and so on. Now, DCF39 came out with much better SNR and I saw the first LF Stn at all, it was Ossi / OE5ODL transmi= tting his 5s in the evening (tnx! very nice SNR in QRSS3 mode).

= My conclusion is, that the qrm is always brought to the very sensitive E-field antenna= by the coax, even when doing many usual suppression methods cause there always re= mains a residual coupling impedance between both sides of the cable. Furthermore= a long coax cable, say 20m away from the shack carries some qrm to the near= of the rx antenna so the effective distance to the shack is always reduced.

= One small disadvantage of this method is the need for a battery supply. My TX diode needs abt 20m= A and is now working since 3 days with a 7AH Lead Acid battery. In the future I= plan to use a stereo optic cable. Then, one could switch the preamp on and off= by the seconds line doing it the opposite way. So, smaller batteries could be used, which is necessary when mounting the preamp to a shaky fiber mast if= one does not want to change the batteries each few hours ;-)

= Signal distortion seems to be no problem, as I can confirm until now.

= Now, my K2 has an optical LF input! ;-)

= Perhaps this will give some ideas to the local qrm bothered stns who tried everything= with ferrite cores, isolating transformers and so on without a satisfying resul= t.

NOTE:= I do not know if anyone has tri= ed this before and has written a publication about that. My goal is not to be the hero in inventions, to become popular and especially not to compete with anyone (like it= seems to be usual in career/job to be the one who gets the pay rise) but just to share my ideas to those who are interested to try something new (?). I do= not say that my solution is the best at all and so on! But, if it will help on= ly one Lowfer getting new ideas and improving his station, and if this improv= ement results in more activity on the band, then it would have helped all of us!=

=  

=  

= 73s es 55 de Stefan / DK7FC

------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7E6F.FA862F49-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.10]) by air-da08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA083-86404b37536e1df; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 07:30:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C2ECB3800012A; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 07:30:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOsFh-0002PS-F0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:29:41 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOsFh-0002PJ-3e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:29:41 +0000 Received: from psmtp31.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.33]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOsFf-0006Vy-Mh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:29:41 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp31.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KVB004KS9D8Z6@psmtp31.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 13:29:32 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 13:29:34 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <3CF6EDD363B347BCBB2CE2AD61DF85B0@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: grabber df6nm Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_3Ibn/+08RYMwx3M39UijkA)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600a4b37536d7e80 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_3Ibn/+08RYMwx3M39UijkA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello Marcus,LF thank You for the privat grabber,I do not need it now,I am testing the ropex with a synt.and transmitting qrs 60 on 136.318 khz. Best 73s Henny pa3cpm. --Boundary_(ID_3Ibn/+08RYMwx3M39UijkA) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
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--Boundary_(ID_3Ibn/+08RYMwx3M39UijkA)-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb02.mx.aol.com (rly-mb02.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.155]) by air-mb03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB033-cf44b2246e210; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:19:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB028-cf44b2246e210; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:19:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ5OD-00073h-Kh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:18:33 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ5OD-00073Y-3y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:18:33 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ5OB-0008Mj-3H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:18:33 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBBDIUI4032565 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:18:30 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:18:30 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:18:29 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC15@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <4B22410F.1000306@telia.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Thread-Index: Acp6YeaT+uAJaEzwQzSfTdWA/rrn7wAAY35w From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.616;10.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.11.131218 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Thanks Johan for the qualified answer! With the receiver bandwidth, do you mean the bandwidth of e.g. the argo pr= ogramm or of the real receiver, say the ic706? I use a K2 with a bandwidth of 50Hz (not very sharp edges), which is relat= ively norrow compared to the most standard CW filters in standard HF-TRXs.= Since I can=B4t reduce it even more and the others as well, it would be= no advantage to reduce the speed. So I think you mean the bandwidth of e.= g. argo? Right? Tnx!=20 Stefan/DK7FC =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von Johan H. Bodin Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Dezember 2009 13:55 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Hi Stefan, > Or isn't it possible to give such a relation? Yes, it is not only possible, it is in fact quite simple: When the speed is reduced by a factor K, the information bandwidth is also reduced by the same factor. This allows you to use a receiver bandwidth which is K times narrower without missing any information. The nice thing is that the noise power passing through this bandwidth is also K times smaller - The S/N ratio has improved K times (or 10*log(K) dB if you prefer). In other words, you can reduce the TX power by the same factor K and still enjoy the same SNR (if RX BW is is also made K timer narrower). In visually received QRSS, the receiver bandwidth is equal to the RBW, the "resolution bandwidth", which is approximately equal to the FFT bin width (one pixel on Argo). QRSS30 is 10dB more efficient than QRSS3, in theory at least. 73 Johan SM6LKM ---- Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > Dear LF,=20 > Does anybody know about the "gain" between QRSS3 and QRSS10 or QRSS30?= I mean, if the noise in both cases is equal, how much can I reduce my tx= pwr when switching from qrss3 to qrss10? Or isn't it possible to give suc= h a relation? > And: Was there ever a TA QSO in QRSS3? > I am new on the reflector, sri ;-) >=20 > Stefan / DK7FC >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md09.mx.aol.com (rly-md09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.147]) by air-md09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD094-9254b2d488d27f; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:41:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD095-9254b2d488d27f; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:41:34 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NM6yJ-0003Vj-Jp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:36:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NM6yI-0003Va-SH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:36:18 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NM71i-0004ZN-F3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:39:52 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 19 Dec 2009 21:40:27 -0000 Received: from p5DD35C50.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.211.92.80] by mail.gmx.net (mp036) with SMTP; 19 Dec 2009 22:40:27 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1++hwE15li+2+iq7P8xuVr4wO+HUz4di3qSsbVI8h XVDbFn/VMW29t1 Message-ID: <001201ca80f3$e1077110$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <002801ca80dc$639db200$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <57a24ca70912191323q42dc08acr75fcd0cef89cea5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:40:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.6 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: HOT 500 RX Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 > Isn't that RX really an Eddystone 958 with a Hagenuk label ? See http://www.seefunknetz.de/ee430.htm 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" To: Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:23 PM Subject: Re: LF: HOT 500 RX Mal, Isn't that RX really an Eddystone 958 with a Hagenuk label ? -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 1:52 PM, mal hamilton wrote: > Using a marine RX Haghenuk EE 430 at present 10 kcs - 30 mcs. Hot RX on > 500 kcs > de G3KEV > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.717 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.114/2575 - Ausgabedatum: 12/19/09 09:33:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc02.mx.aol.com (rly-mc02.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.86]) by air-mc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC012-d5b4b16ad2d32b; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:09:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC023-d5b4b16ad2d32b; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:08:47 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFtcC-0006WY-9A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:07:48 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFtcB-0006WP-LM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:07:47 +0000 Received: from mbox1.netikka.net ([213.250.81.202]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFtc9-0006wC-Ot for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:07:47 +0000 Received: from tupu.netikka.net (tupu [172.16.83.90]) by mbox1-feedback.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B47188031 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:07:40 +0200 (EET) Received: from imp1.netikka.net (imp1.netikka.net [213.250.85.154]) by tupu.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC08A4B0058 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:07:39 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imp1.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BC55495BCB for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:07:40 +0200 (EET) Received: from 558602b6.adsl.multi.fi (558602b6.adsl.multi.fi [85.134.2.182]) by imp.netikka.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:07:40 +0200 Message-ID: <1259777260.4b16acec27aa8@imp.netikka.net> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:07:40 +0200 From: Paul-Henrik To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 85.134.2.182 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Stefan, LF I can not overemphasize the possible need to keep the feedline "clean" and= free of RFI that may otherwise make it's way to any active whip antenna. My first attempts at deploying the PA0RDT Mini-Whip here were unsuccessful= and disappointing due to the fact that some of the RFI I tried to avoid was conducted from the shack out to the antenna along the coax. This may among other things depend on what kind of radio the antenna is connected to. If in doubt, my advice is to use one common mode choke where the coax leav= es the house and to ground the coax braid just behind it using an independent earth-stake and then further a second common-mode choke just before the feedline goes vertically up to the antenna. For common mode chokes I use large high-mu ferrite rings that can take 20= turns of RG-58 or up to 45 turns of RG-174 but smaller rings can be used with RG= -174. There is a picture here of the first test-choke I used for tracking down= my noise: http://peditio.net/utility/Attachments/choke_sml.jpg This may be "overkill" in most installations but I'm sure some users can= gain from these extra measures just as I did. BR Paul-Henrik, OH1LSQ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb10.mx.aol.com (rly-mb10.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.168]) by air-mb02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB022-d324b16a3c9197; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:28:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB106-d324b16a3c9197; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:28:43 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFszL-0005q3-Gs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:27:39 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFszL-0005pu-46 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:27:39 +0000 Received: from mhost02h.leeds.ac.uk ([129.11.77.151]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFszJ-0006bF-G4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:27:39 +0000 Received: from APOLLO1.ds.leeds.ac.uk (apollo1.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.5.4]) by mhost02h.leeds.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nB2HRWkG018096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m263.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass Hi Johan some off air tests done between Dave G3YXM and myself seemed to= confirm those theoretical figures quite nicely. Posibly still on Dave's= web site. I believe others have found the same too. Lyle Kohler K0LR (?)= did some similar tests in the States which used to be on his web site. Alan G3NYK --- On Fri, 11/12/09, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrot= e: > From: Stefan Sch=E4fer > Subject: AW: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Friday, 11 December, 2009, 13:18 > Thanks Johan for the qualified > answer! > With the receiver bandwidth, do you mean the bandwidth of > e.g. the argo programm or of the real receiver, say the > ic706? > I use a K2 with a bandwidth of 50Hz (not very sharp edges), > which is relatively norrow compared to the most standard CW > filters in standard HF-TRXs. Since I can=B4t reduce it even > more and the others as well, it would be no advantage to > reduce the speed. So I think you mean the bandwidth of e.g. > argo? Right? > Tnx!=20 > Stefan/DK7FC =20 >=20 > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] > Im Auftrag von Johan H. Bodin > Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Dezember 2009 13:55 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: Re: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? >=20 > Hi Stefan, >=20 > > Or isn't it possible to give such a relation? >=20 > Yes, it is not only possible, it is in fact quite simple: > When the speed is reduced by a factor K, the information > bandwidth is > also reduced by the same factor. This allows you to use a > receiver > bandwidth which is K times narrower without missing any > information. The > nice thing is that the noise power passing through this > bandwidth is > also K times smaller - The S/N ratio has improved K times > (or 10*log(K) > dB if you prefer). In other words, you can reduce the TX > power by the > same factor K and still enjoy the same SNR (if RX BW is is > also made K > timer narrower). >=20 > In visually received QRSS, the receiver bandwidth is equal > to the RBW, > the "resolution bandwidth", which is approximately equal to > the FFT bin > width (one pixel on Argo). >=20 > QRSS30 is 10dB more efficient than QRSS3, in theory at > least. >=20 > 73 > Johan SM6LKM >=20 > ---- >=20 > Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > > Dear LF,=20 > > Does anybody know about the "gain" between QRSS3 and > QRSS10 or QRSS30? I mean, if the noise in both cases is > equal, how much can I reduce my tx pwr when switching from > qrss3 to qrss10? Or isn't it possible to give such a > relation? > > And: Was there ever a TA QSO in QRSS3? > > I am new on the reflector, sri ;-) > >=20 > > Stefan / DK7FC > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd08.mx.aol.com (rly-dd08.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.155]) by air-dd03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD034-b954b2c30142c1; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:45:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD087-b954b2c30142c1; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:44:54 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLoI5-0008GS-Mo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 01:39:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLoI5-0008GJ-0C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 01:39:29 +0000 Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com ([64.12.207.164]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLoL7-00082l-Bd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 01:42:38 +0000 Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nBJ1gtjx016360 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:42:55 -0500 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.d48.65f369f0 (56032) for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:42:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.68] ([92.18.91.54]) by cia-md08.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD086-dae04b2c2f967d; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:42:53 -0500 From: g4gvw To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: References: <914980.30417.qm@web28108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <004e01ca8008$e5c13a60$6402a8c0@e7010> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 01:42:50 +0000 Message-Id: <1261186970.19260.12.camel@pat-compaq-evo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.1 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: G4gvw@aol.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi All, As someone who used to be professionally engaged in negotiating with the aforesaid regulator in its many incarnations/reincarnations prior to becoming Ofcomm, believe me it ain't easy! However, it is appreciated that each country and legislation, have their own (sometimes peculiar) approaches to the problems posed by demanding spectrum allocation. Some of us are extremely fortunate to have the talented and tenacious advocates that achieve so much against often quite incredible pressures from other interests. What is often forgotten is that some of these guys are doing this work unrewarded, in their own time and sometimes at odds with the commercial interests of their employers! For obvious reasons they cannot say this stuff on their own behalf but maybe, at this seasonal time we can all raise a glass and say THANK YOU! On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 18:20 +0000, Graham wrote: > Tnx Walter > > Yes , we seem to of done quite well considering , I think the only > gray area was the approach / marketing of the allocation where as > operations where initially viewed as a follow on from 136 and as > such its possible that it did not attract a wider response, where > as it very soon became apparent that the band was more similar > to 1.8 MHz in terms of coverage and the requirements for large > arrays and power level did not materialise and in fact the compact > array has provided most if not all of the Dx worked on the band to > date , ''even'' Gus is using a antenna system that is within > the boundary of his own house and is still fractional compared to > the wave length, once I had modified my old 80 ft total inverted L > with loading coil and top capacity section , 50 to 100 watts > provided amazing coverage and performance on 1.8 & 3.5 also > increased significantly .. unintended consequence ! > > Back in the 1970's a old friend of mine , long passed, who > introduced me to vhf radio 2 & 4 mtr am G3SX always maintained > that the 500 K / 600 mtr band was the original armature band in > the period between the 1914/1945 war's and the marine service, > once spark had been phased out , took over the band and forced the > armature operation hf to the new fangled 1.8 and higher > > So may be the tapping gang where just keeping it free for us > after all .. 70 years was long enough ! > > 73 - G .. > > > From: Walter und Marianne Staubach > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 5:38 PM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Re: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 > kHz band) > > > Congrats to All on MF in G-Land. I would like we had RSGB and OFCOM in > Germany. > Merry Christmas > Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: M0FMT > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 12:39 PM > Subject: LF: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501 to > 504 kHz band) > > > FYI 16|12|09 > Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band) > Following representations made by the Radio Society of Great > Britain and negotiations by Ofcom with the Maritime and > Coastguard Agency, Ofcom has decided to extend the period of > Notices of Variation (NoVs) to the licence for operation in > the 501 to 504 kHz band until 29 February 2012. The maximum > effective radiated power (e.r.p.) limit is maintained at 10 > dBW (10 W). Existing NoVs are due to expire at the end of > February 2010. > There have been no reports of interference and investigation > has shown that a radiated power of 10 dBW is not likely to > cause interference. Moreover, NoV holders are permitted to > operate only subject to causing no interference. > Special Research Permits under a Notice of Variation to the > Licence are made available to holders of Full Amateur Licences > on a case by case basis to applicants who can demonstrate a > genuine interest in experimentation at these frequencies and > provide adequate supporting documentation for assessment. > Due to the usage of the spectrum around the 500 kHz bands, > applicants should pay special attention to demonstrating > technical and operational competence in terms of transmitting > within the frequency band and Effective Radiated Power > (e.r.p.) parameters agreed with Ofcom. Previous experience at > 73 kHz as well as 136 kHz will be considered desirable in this > respect to ensure adequate steps are taken to limit any > potential interference. > Ofcom will monitor any interference reports and also consider > limiting numbers if necessary in reviewing operation in the > band. On no account will an e.r.p. level of greater than 10 > dBW be permitted under any circumstance. > The standard application form (OfW306) for a Special Research > Permit can be downloaded at: > http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/applications/ofw306.pdf > A fresh NoV will automatically be issued to existing NoV > holders; new applications are not required in this instance. > Should a fresh NoV not be required or if you are in possession > of an NoV which is not required, please inform the Ofcom > Licensing Centre stating your name, call sign and Licence > number preferably by e-mail to licensingcentre@ofcom.org.uk or > alternatively by post to the address at the end of the text. > Form OfW306 is also available on request from the Ofcom > Licensing Centre at: > Ofcom Licensing Centre > Amateur Radio > Riverside House > 2a Southwark Bridge Road > London SE1 9HA > Tel: 020 7981 3131 > > 73 es GL petefmt > > > -- 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw qth nr felixstowe uk (east coast, county of suffolk) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb08.mx.aol.com (rly-mb08.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.166]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB053-d1d4b29f50515e; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 04:08:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB081-d1d4b29f50515e; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 04:08:23 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLCHq-0001Dh-BU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:04:42 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLCHp-0001DY-Q0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:04:41 +0000 Received: from psmtp30.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.32]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLCKW-0002JX-4s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:07:30 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp30.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KUS00BQEHC1SG@psmtp30.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:07:14 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:06:56 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: OSSI 17-12.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_z2iMFxfkI/VcvRHtYl/7nQ)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --Boundary_(ID_z2iMFxfkI/VcvRHtYl/7nQ) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_tEuRYVHXrn3DeTZVFRhUmg)" --Boundary_(ID_tEuRYVHXrn3DeTZVFRhUmg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello LF, Strong signal Ossi, best 73s henny cpm........... 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<000f01ca7fc2$c666f6a0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:48:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 As an addition to my last posting on this subject be careful if you see optical cards for sale at rallies etc, they all should/must have the laser 'starburst' symbol on them, and may be labelled as either, laser product, class 1 laser, or class 3 laser, what they will not tell you is the power output, you will need a calibrated optical power meter for this, or the wavelength, which could be 850nm multi 73. Ken M0KHW mode, 1300nm single mode or 1550nm single mode. When I was working on optical systems the standard BT optical connector for main network single mode fibre was the FC type, originally manufactured by Seiko.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" To: Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 9:16 AM Subject: LF: Re: Re: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals > Radio Amateurs BEWARE - Appliance Operators DO NOT TOUCH > > G3KEV > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 10:43 AM > Subject: LF: Re: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX > signals > > >> Optical fibres are fine for transmission and remove all the problems of >> interference and cross talk at a stroke, but please be careful and >> observe >> optical safety precautions when using lasers and other light sources. I >> worked on optical systems for many years during my time with BT, and > optical >> safety took priority over every thing else. All optical fibres need to > have >> a perfect cleave on the ends, and the connectors be absolutely clean, if >> you are not launching into an optical connector then alignment will be a >> problem, similarly at the receive end. >> >> >> 73. >> Ken >> >> M0KHW >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Horst Stcker" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:01 AM >> Subject: LF: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX > signals >> >> >> In theory it's a good Idea which I had some weeks before without working > it >> out. >> >> Years before I also have made tests with FTA (free to air) optical >> transmissions with a DL2CH-Transceiver and a TRX-Kit by Aatis which is > quite >> much simpler. >> Even with that it was no problem to link between two points about a few >> meters. >> >> In this case you should think about an IR-LED. Unfortunately, the Aatis >> receiver has a photo transistor instead of a diode. But it should be no >> great deal to modify that. >> >> The problems with FTA optic transmission for this application are imho: >> - You have to be sure, that no one can be injured by the laser beam, >> especially at unattended operation. >> - Think about how many hours/the beam has it's full power before becoming >> much weaker. >> - The optics must be kept clean. This could be a problem if the units are >> out of reach. >> - The units have to be mounted absolutely stable. For Example, on a > swinging >> fibre rod you'll never bring a laser beam exactly to the rx area. >> >> I bet, (FTA) optical transmission just changes one problem with a few >> others. >> >> But the transmission with optical cable seems interesting. >> >> What type of cable do you suggest? I do not think, my TOS-Link cable >> would >> stand weather/UV and mechanical conditions outside for a long time. >> >> Horst DO1KHS >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate fr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! >> http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ >> >> >> >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (rly-mg06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.112]) by air-mg07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG072-a1a4b208b72eb; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:47:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG064-a1a4b208b72eb; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:47:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIbrG-0008Me-C6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:46:34 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIbrF-0008MV-Gp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:46:33 +0000 Received: from mail2.citigroup.com ([192.193.221.104] helo=mail.citigroup.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIbrC-0005z8-MP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:46:33 +0000 Received: from imbhub-mw02.nam.nsroot.net ([159.17.94.189]) by imbaspam-ss02.namdmz.dmzroot.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/SSMB_EXT/ev: 24741 $) with ESMTP id nBA5kM4g025763 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:46:23 GMT Received: from exlniht01.eur.nsroot.net (exlniht01.eur.nsroot.net [169.186.207.97]) by imbhub-mw02.nam.nsroot.net (Switch-3.4.1/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id nBA5jDPo001451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:46:22 GMT Received: from exlnht02.eur.nsroot.net (169.182.192.15) by exlniht01.eur.nsroot.net (169.186.207.97) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.375.2; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:46:18 +0000 Received: from exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net ([169.186.219.14]) by exlnht02.eur.nsroot.net ([169.182.192.15]) with mapi; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:46:17 +0000 From: "Scholz, Marco " To: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org'" Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:46:15 +0000 Thread-Topic: LF: DDH47 147.3 Thread-Index: Acp5MSCvalu0BDkbSAK+E2Cv6HzP7AAKrNPQ Message-ID: <16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C661224@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> References: <392758439.1260398409.48146488.79519@mcgi74.rambler.ru> <4B202EA6.1090000@usa.net> <003201ca7930$73dc02b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> In-Reply-To: <003201ca7930$73dc02b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB x-wiganss: 01000000010017exlnht02.eur.nsroot.net ID0044<16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C661224@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 169.175.16.181 X-Spam-Score: 2.0 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.836,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: RE: LF: DDH47 147.3 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_006_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C661224exlnmb01eurns_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --_006_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C661224exlnmb01eurns_ Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_005_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C661224exlnmb01eurns_"; type="multipart/alternative" --_005_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C661224exlnmb01eurns_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C661224exlnmb01eurns_" --_000_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C661224exlnmb01eurns_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good morning, DDH47 also with an outstanding signal here in JN49. Exact at 23:15 was a= QRSS3 transmission of the word "Braun" - see attached file. vy73 Marco DD7PC ________________________________ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org] On Behalf Of jrusgrove@comcast.net Sent: 10 December 2009 01:34 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 147.3 Good copy of cw signal 'by ear' in CT ... on a very noisy night. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: Alberto di Bene To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 6:11 PM Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 147.3 Beautiful copy of DDH47, but then, given their power, it is not a great su= rprise.... 73 Alberto I2PHD [cid:975234405@10122009-1A2E] --_000_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C661224exlnmb01eurns_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good morning,
DDH47 also with an outstanding signal here= in JN49. Exact=20 at 23:15 was a QRSS3 transmission of the word "Braun" - see attached=20 file.
 
vy73
Marco
DD7PC

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o= rg=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of=20 jrusgrove@comcast.net
Sent: 10 December 2009 01:34
To:= =20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: DDH47=20 147.3

Good copy of= cw signal 'by=20 ear' in CT ... on a very noisy night.
 
Jay W1VD  WD2XNS&nbs= p;=20 WE2XGR/2
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Alberto di Bene= =20
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 200= 9 6:11=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 147.3

Beautiful copy of DDH47, but then, given their power, it= is not=20 a great surprise....

73  Alberto  I2PHD

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<38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC7C@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC7C@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:31:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10 / PA design Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Stefan, LF Group, DK7FC wrote: ...> Yes, on 137kHz a half bridge is also a good idea since the losses are quite small. But, for a half or full bridge like in these decca transmitters, one needs an output ferrite core that can handle the whole output power. I think these are expensive (?), not easy to get and could be driven into saturation when dimensioned well....> I have used ETD49-size SMPSU cores successfully for transformers at 136k at the 1kW level. These are readily available from big component distributors in this country such as RS Components and Farnell - the set of core halves, bobbin and clips costs about 5 - 10 GB Pounds. I suppose you should add some more for wire and insulation, but this is a lot cheaper than a suitably rated 50Hz transformer! In my experience, temperature rise due to hysteresis and other losses limits the power capability at these relatively high frequencies, core saturation is not the limiting factor. In the overall cost of a QRO TX, the most expensive part is usually the DC power supply. So, if you are trying to achieve a low-cost TX design, and you already have a high power DC supply, it is sensible to design the TX to make optimum use that supply. If you don't already have a PSU, economy is the big advantage of a 330V DC off-line rectified supply. The TX output power is a function of the DC supply V, the load resistance, and the circuit topology used. The DC supply is fixed by the mains voltage if we use a direct rectified supply. If, for further economy, we try to design an output stage with no output transformer, or other impedance matching, then the load impedance is also fixed. So the power output is then fixed for a particular circuit configuration. For a push-pull or full-bridge design we really need an output transformer to drive a single-ended load, but this leaves the Class D half-bridge and Class E configurations, which are single-ended. Using the text-book formulae for Pout of an ideal circuit with 330V DC input and 50R load gives about 1.2kW for an "optimum" Class E, and 440W for the half-bridge Class D. The class E circuit is perhaps simpler, at least on paper, and has attractive output power, but further calculations show that a switching device handling peak voltage 1200V and peak current about 10.5A is required, which would be a problem. We could re-design the class D stage to produce 1.2kW by reducing the load impedance to 18.4ohm, which could be achieved using an LC matching network, if transformers must be avoided. Then the peak current and voltage in the two switching devices would be 330V , 11.4A, which is a relatively easy requirement. So for this kind of power level, and off-line DC supply, the class D design is probably more practical . With current switching transistor technology, the 1200V peak voltage is the problem for any class E off-line design; but in the future it might not be, since there seems to be a lot of interest in developing high speed, high voltage switches based on GaN, SiC semiconductors at the moment. But, in the off-line TX, another important reason to have an output transformer is to isolate the output RF ground and antenna system from the mains supply, partly for safety - but with a full-wave rectifier, the "0V" DC terminal, and so the RF ground of the output stage, is not at ground potential anyway. The same also applies to the gate drive input side. So, if you don't have a suitable DC PSU, an off-line directly rectified supply is attractive, but it will probably need RF transformers! In any case, an output transformer does give a lot more flexibility in the design. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de06.mx.aol.com (rly-de06.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.142]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE033-4e24b2c79903c7; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 01:58:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE065-4e24b2c79903c7; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 01:58:26 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLtBV-000115-Io for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 06:53:01 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLtBU-00010w-OE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 06:53:00 +0000 Received: from mx30.mail.ru ([94.100.176.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLtFG-0002Tl-4h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 06:56:56 +0000 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expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Stefan, Thank you for your detailed description. I have carried out the same tests some five years ago and arrived also at a length of 30 cm. The wire can be replaced by a 30 x 40 mm piece of copper clad PCB for the same results. Using SMD parts, which have less capacitive coupling due to the small size, a further size reduction is possible. Your findings that raising the antenna higher than 4 m is correct as the signal to noise ratio will not improve, so nothing will be gained. However, this depends on the surroundings. At the border of a lake, I found an height of 2 m sufficient for weak signal work at LF. Best regards, Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma10.mx.aol.com (rly-ma10.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.54]) by air-ma07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA071-8cf4b2036df38c; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:46:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA101-8cf4b2036df38c; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:46:41 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIWDy-0006rj-F4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:45:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIWDx-0006ra-IS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:45:37 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIWDw-00070J-Bn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:45:37 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3521.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B33521C00088 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:45:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3521.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A5BD81C000AB for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:45:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.5.59]) by mwinf3521.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 1F5791C00088 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:45:30 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20091209234530128.1F5791C00088@mwinf3521.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <40DCCD8CCDD64010AC2B8CF002BBCA25@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <510B0611943F48E1975A8F833B63FBD5@AGB> <20250.29213.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 23:45:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<< Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C2_01CA7929.AA96CCB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01CA7929.AA96CCB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roger=20 Thanks for posting the circuit, I have added you to the converto= r hall of fame ... http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/low-frequency-converters?m= sg=3Dns G ..=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 11:27 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<< With the transverter "in the open" (rat's nest) on the desktop there= is a warm-up drift of about 40Hz HF until things settle down. This ha= s not been an issue with WSPR as the drift in a single TX slot is only= about 1-2Hz usually (WSPR copes with this) and it soon settles down= to 0Hz drift. I have not tried QRSS but imagine you'd have to ensure= the xtal oscillator is made more thermally stable for v.slow QRSS, bu= t would guess it would be OK for some moderate QRSS operation. Putting= the whole unit in a box should help. My little circuit works, but is surely capable of much improvement, HI= . 73s Roger G3XBM 2009/12/9 ALAN MELIA Sounds good Roger and Graham... what it the stability like the probl= em with transverters/upconverters normally is that while ok for some= modes they are often not stable enough for the very weak signal mode= s. These are modes where you need to know the frequency of a station= very accurately because you will not hear it, or it will only pop abo= ve the noise for short periods. Alan G3NYK --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Graham wrote: > From: Graham > Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<< > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 22:13 > > > > > > > > All > > This latest > addition to the > HF / MF tx convertor opens the door > to data > communications on 500 ... ranging from > 'all' the K1JT systems > through to the single carrier > multi tone > systems of > MFSK , DOMINO and THOR .. even > the almost > forgotten Amtor-arq and Packtor modes , anyone > still have > there pk232 > > listed are > data modes that may be used with > non-linear systems :- > > > http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/meat-grinder-comms > > G.. > > > > > From: Roger > Lapthorn > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 12:20 AM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > > Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX > transverter > > Dear All, > > My WSPR tx up-converter has now been modified to > a full TX/RX tranverter suitable for WSPR, QRSS and > CW in a > very simple way, making use of the FT817 split > facility which allows you > to RX on 500kHz and TX on 28MHz. By adding a series LC > between the TX PA and the > FT817 input/output RF connection (with back-to-back diodes > at the L and C > junction, this allows "pass through" from the > 500kHz ATU to the FT817 on RX > (tuned to 500kHz). On TX, the diodes conduct and the C part > is in parallel with > the first cap in the TX low pass filter. This scheme is now > working really well > with good RX sensitivity and no change in TX power out. > > Schematic of the > transverter is on my blog at http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > . My > attempt to add it as an attachment to an email here earlier > failed. > > This more or less concludes my 500kHz experimenting, apart > from > getting a few more CW QSOs in the log. It's been great > fun all the way with lots > of support from folks here. I was going to try 136kHz, but > think I will now give > this a miss for now. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > G3XBM > GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > > > > --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01CA7929.AA96CCB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Roger
 
Thanks for  posting the =20 circuit,  I have  ad= ded =20 you  to the convertor  hall  of fame ...
 
 
G ..
 

Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >&g= t;DATA=20 MODES<<

With the transverter "in the open" (rat's nest) on the= desktop=20 there is a warm-up drift of about 40Hz HF until things settle down. Th= is has not=20 been an issue with WSPR as the drift in a single TX slot is only about= 1-2Hz=20 usually (WSPR copes with this) and it soon settles down to 0Hz drift.= I have not=20 tried QRSS but imagine you'd have to ensure the xtal oscillator is mad= e more=20 thermally stable for v.slow QRSS, but would guess it would be OK for= some=20 moderate QRSS operation. Putting the whole unit in a box should help.<= BR>
My=20 little circuit works, but is surely capable of much improvement,=20 HI.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2009/12/9 ALAN MELIA <alan.melia@btinternet.com= >
Sounds= good Roger and Graham... what it the stability like=20 the problem with transverters/upconverters normally is that while ok= for some=20 modes they are  often not stable enough for the very weak signa= l modes.=20 These are modes where you need to know the frequency of a station ve= ry=20 accurately because you will not hear it, or it will only pop above= the noise=20 for short periods.

Alan G3NYK


--- On Wed, 9/12/09,= Graham=20 <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.= uk>=20 wrote:

> From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
>=20 Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES&l= t;<
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>=20 Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 22:13
>
>
>
>
>
>
>=
>=20 All
>
> This  latest
> addition to  the<= BR>> HF=20 / MF  tx convertor  opens the  door
> to=20  data
> communications  on 500 ... ranging  fro= m
>=20 'all'  the K1JT systems
> through to  the  sing= le=20 carrier
> multi  tone
> systems  of
> MF= SK  ,=20  DOMINO and THOR  .. even
> the  almost
>= forgotten=20  Amtor-arq  and Packtor modes , anyone
> still=20  have
> there pk232
>
> listed  are
&= gt; data=20  modes that  may be  used with
> non-linear sys= tems=20 :-
>
>
> http://group= s.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/meat-grinder-comms
>
>= =20 G..
>
>
>
>
> From: Roger
>=20 Lapthorn
> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 12:20 AM
>= To: rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org
>
>
>=20 Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX
> transverter
>
&= gt; Dear=20 All,
>
> My WSPR tx up-converter has now been modified= to
>=20 a full TX/RX tranverter suitable for WSPR, QRSS and
> CW  = ;in=20 a
> very simple way, making use of the FT817 split
> fac= ility=20 which allows you
> to RX on 500kHz and TX on 28MHz. By adding= a series=20 LC
> between the TX PA and the
> FT817 input/output RF= connection=20 (with back-to-back diodes
> at the L and C
> junction,= this allows=20 "pass through" from the
> 500kHz ATU to the FT817 on RX
>= ; (tuned=20 to 500kHz). On TX, the diodes conduct and the C part
> is in= parallel=20 with
> the first cap in the TX low pass filter. This scheme is= =20 now
> working really well
> with good RX sensitivity and= no change=20 in TX power out.
>
> Schematic of the
> transverte= r is on my=20 blog at http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
> . My
> attempt=20 to add it as an attachment to an email here earlier
>=20 failed.
>
> This more or less concludes my 500kHz experi= menting,=20 apart
> from
> getting a few more CW QSOs in the log. It= 's been=20 great
> fun all the way with lots
> of support from folk= s here. I=20 was going to try 136kHz, but
> think I will now give
>= this a miss=20 for now.
>
> 73s
> Roger G3XBM
> --
><= BR>>=20 -------------------------------------------------------------
>= ; h= ttp://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
>=20 G3XBM
>  GQRP 1678      ISWL=20 G11088
>
>
>
>
>




--=20
-------------------------------------------------------------
<= A href=3D"http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/">http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.= com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.u= k
G3XBM  =20  GQRP 1678      ISWL G11088


------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01CA7929.AA96CCB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df07.mx.aol.com (rly-df07.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.20]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF011-5654b322ef2320; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:53:48 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF076-5654b322ef2320; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:53:40 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNSZR-0004eL-CI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:52:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNSZR-0004eB-1T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:52:13 +0000 Received: from smtp06.online.nl ([194.134.42.51]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNSZP-00060Y-Gj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:52:13 +0000 Received: from smtp06.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp06.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26D9F96331 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:52:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp06.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:52:04 +0100 (CET) From: To: "blacksheep" Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:52:03 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp06.online.nl) X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: Ropex Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello all, for who is interested,I just got from Henny,PA3CPM the schematic and the componentlayout from the Ropex first.I can sent the files to everybody who is interested, 73 mxmass Victor PA3FNY From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me08.mx.aol.com (rly-me08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.42]) by air-me05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME052-9d24b1bfaa1168; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 13:40:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME086-9d24b1bfaa1168; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 13:40:35 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHM1C-0005Lx-Bt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 18:39:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHM1B-0005Lo-TB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 18:39:37 +0000 Received: from defout.telus.net ([204.209.205.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHM1A-0007zH-Rg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 18:39:37 +0000 Received: from edmwaa02.telusplanet.net ([75.157.155.160]) by priv-edmwes50.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091206183933.XUIA16817.priv-edmwes50.telusplanet.net@edmwaa02.telusplanet.net> for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:39:33 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.67] (d75-157-155-160.bchsia.telus.net [75.157.155.160]) by edmwaa02.telusplanet.net (BorderWare Security Platform) with ESMTP id FBF90377638F4AEC for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:39:33 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <4B1BFA65.3010900@telus.net> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 18:39:33 +0000 From: Scott Tilley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4B1B4301.8090909@telus.net> <000b01ca7667$fdf3e8d0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> In-Reply-To: <000b01ca7667$fdf3e8d0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: Re: TIL Grabber status... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) No, Canadian hams choose a call sign of their liking based on what's not is use. I choose mine based on my last name some 25 years ago when I passed the advanced exam. My other call is VA7LF... I take it there is no differentiation between those in the UK with personality disorders and those without it in your callsign system? 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Please let me know... >> >> As usual the grabber is running 24/7 in the 2200m watering hole with >> both a 60sec and 120sec dot screen... >> >> 73 Scott >> VE7TIL CN89dk >> http://www3.telus.net/sthed/argo/ >> >> >> >> > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (rly-dg02.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.86]) by air-dg01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG013-5aa4b26b3e291; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:53:48 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG025-5aa4b26b3e291; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:53:39 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKIoo-0000Kc-6R for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:51:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKIon-0000KT-Rz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:51:01 +0000 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20091226125951489.775CC7000087@mwinf3614.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <1EE1D37E49A445A0A1CE9703C17EECCF@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <6EFC885C8DAB4DC3A8454505BAF5D3A7@ns94d01ae4d850> <1261823989.6451.9.camel@vaio3rd> In-Reply-To: <1261823989.6451.9.camel@vaio3rd> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 12:59:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJECT_EXCESS_QP=0 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_LF:_=22WA=22_beacon_received_at_503kHz.?= Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600e4b36092751b0 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Rick, Looks like wd2x .. was the station .. you can check what stations are operating at : http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/spots 2009-12-24 03:38 WD2XSH/37 0.503912 -26 0 FN42fo 2 ON7YD JO20ix 5615 52 G.. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Wakatori" <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 10:39 AM To: Subject: LF: "WA" beacon received at 503kHz. > > Using WSPR, I heard "WA" beacon in CW or QRSS at around 503kHz. > The signal was visible on the screen during last night. > Please let me know the callsign and the QTH? > Rick > -- > -.. . --... .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-. > 7L1RLL under ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP) > URL=http://www1.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html > -..--- -.- .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-... ...-. > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc02.mx.aol.com (rly-dc02.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.31]) by air-dc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC072-b0c4b377f416a; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:37:59 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC028-b0c4b377f416a; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:37:39 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOvAd-0002yM-G3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:36:39 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOvAd-0002yD-3y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:36:39 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOvAb-00074S-99 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:36:39 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsIEAK8NN0tZ8IVt/2dsb2JhbACNWwaOeLRIhDME X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,459,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="384446038" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.240.133.109]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2009 15:36:11 +0000 Message-ID: <002101ca870a$4dbb3e60$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:36:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: 137.7 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01CA870A.4D441290" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01CA870A.4D441290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DL2HRT being called by OH1TN and G3WCB all good signals with me but DL= 2HRT not responding to OH1TN=20 G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01CA870A.4D441290 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
DL2HRT being called by OH1TN and G3WC= B all good=20 signals with me but DL2HRT not responding to OH1TN
G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_001E_01CA870A.4D441290-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc02.mx.aol.com (rly-mc02.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.86]) by air-mc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC014-d604b191a8f14c; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:20:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC028-d604b191a8f14c; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:20:01 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGZ04-000771-Re for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:19:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGZ04-00076s-FQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:19:12 +0000 Received: from mailout02.t-online.de ([194.25.134.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGZ03-0004i4-P6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:19:12 +0000 Received: from fwd03.aul.t-online.de by mailout02.t-online.de with smtp id 1NGYzx-0001xQ-02; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 15:19:05 +0100 Received: from e7010 (ZeRM18ZVZhL+NRQsVOxRw6xxWT5VRziOqNimCw5qBLQ+a3C0VpT3wqvJ8bGRPrZZ0Y@[84.147.224.235]) by fwd03.aul.t-online.de with smtp id 1NGYzs-0uURvs0; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 15:19:00 +0100 Message-ID: <001e01ca74ec$b9770790$6402a8c0@e7010> From: "Walter und Marianne Staubach" To: Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 15:19:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-ID: ZeRM18ZVZhL+NRQsVOxRw6xxWT5VRziOqNimCw5qBLQ+a3C0VpT3wqvJ8bGRPrZZ0Y X-TOI-MSGID: ab929257-4493-4bd9-a243-b3869a1b7cc9 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: DI2AG WSPR daylight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA74F5.1AFCB8E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA74F5.1AFCB8E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear MF, DI2AG beacon is on air in WSPR until tomorrow morning -now for= daylight reception. QRG 505.090KHz, PWR 0.4W ERP. 73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA74F5.1AFCB8E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear MF,
      &= nbsp; DI2AG=20 beacon is on air in WSPR until tomorrow morning -now for daylight= =20 reception.
QRG 505.090KHz, PWR 0.4W ERP.<= /DIV>
73  Walter  DI2AG / DJ2LF
 
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA74F5.1AFCB8E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df12.mx.aol.com (rly-df12.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.25]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF012-5954b1a4642340; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 06:39:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF124-5954b1a4642340; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 06:38:44 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGsxQ-0006Fv-It for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 11:37:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGsxQ-0006Fm-5K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 11:37:48 +0000 Received: from mail4.ssmb.com ([199.67.179.104] helo=mail.citigroup.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGsxP-0002og-9w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 11:37:48 +0000 Received: from imbhub-mw02.nam.nsroot.net ([159.17.94.189]) by imbaspam-ny04.ssmb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/SSMB_EXT/ev: 24737 $) with ESMTP id nB5BbdNc014498 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 11:37:40 GMT Received: from exlniht02.eur.nsroot.net (exlniht02.eur.nsroot.net [169.186.207.99]) by imbhub-mw02.nam.nsroot.net (Switch-3.4.1/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id nB5BbbkS001559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 11:37:38 GMT Received: from exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net ([169.186.219.14]) by exlniht02.eur.nsroot.net ([169.186.207.99]) with mapi; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 11:37:37 +0000 From: "Scholz, Marco " To: "'lf group (rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org)'" Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 11:37:36 +0000 Thread-Topic: OE5ODL - DD7PC tnx QSO Thread-Index: Acp1n1eaurzUjvTRQtG93DxrhU4FKQ== Message-ID: <16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C3614EC@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C3614EC@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB x-wiganss: 01000000010018exlniht02.eur.nsroot.net ID0044<16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C3614EC@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 199.67.177.46 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_000_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C3614ECexlnmb01eurns_" Subject: LF: OE5ODL - DD7PC tnx QSO X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --_000_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C3614ECexlnmb01eurns_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Ossi, Thanks again for our QSO #5 on 137.700KHz in QRSS3(4). Always nice to see your big signal. Unfortunately yesterday evening i miss= ed Gerhard, OE3GHB. I saw he called me, but then i had a sekd with HB9ASB= and lost him. Later i copied you in QSO with GHB. 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boundary="0-1417164869-1260444443=:55455" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m274.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail --0-1417164869-1260444443=:55455 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FYI=A0 ??=20 "There is opposition to this proposal, primarily from the maritime service= via the International Maritime Organisation and this has led to France pr= esenting a paper under agenda item 1.10 that suggests a use for the band= 495-505 kHz using datamodes.=A0=A0This was in response to papers from Can= ada and the UK that proposed a secondary amateur band between 493 and 510(= 515) kHz.=A0=A0There appears to be no commercial or technical reasoning be= hind this paper and it is suspected to be based on emotive grounds only.= =A0=A0Nevertheless agenda item 1.23 still requires a lot more support if= it is going to be successful."=20 73 petefmt =20 --0-1417164869-1260444443=:55455 Content-Type: text/html; 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"There is= opposition to this proposal, primarily from the maritime service via the= International Maritime Organisation and this has led to France presenting a paper under agenda item 1.10 that suggests= a use for the band 495-505 kHz using datamodes.  This was in re= sponse to papers from Canada and the UK that proposed a secondary amateur= band between 493 and 510(515) kHz.  There appears to be no comm= ercial or technical reasoning behind this paper and it is suspected to be= based on emotive grounds only.  Nevertheless agenda item 1.23= still requires a lot more support if it is going= to be successful."=20

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=20 --0-1417164869-1260444443=:55455-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me08.mx.aol.com (rly-me08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.42]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME011-9ce4b1a85412b3; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 11:07:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME082-9ce4b1a85412b3; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 11:07:31 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGx9B-0006xZ-S1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 16:06:13 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGx9B-0006xQ-4a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 16:06:13 +0000 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGx99-0005Pl-21 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 16:06:13 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap4EAD8TGktcHbgr/2dsb2JhbACODwbHGYQzBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,347,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="283295119" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.184.43]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 05 Dec 2009 16:06:04 +0000 Message-ID: <002901ca75c4$d5f7d830$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <001401ca75b8$83c41b20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 16:05:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: LF/MF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA75C4.D5CCF7A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA75C4.D5CCF7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nil visible around 137.7 and only Beacon acty on 500, several blasting= away at present. g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 2:37 PM Subject: LF: LF/MF Anyone active now on LF or MF Mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA75C4.D5CCF7A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nil visible around 137.7 and only Bea= con acty on=20 500, several blasting away at present.
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Saturday, December 05,= 2009 2:37=20 PM
Subject: LF: LF/MF

Anyone active now on LF or MF
Mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA75C4.D5CCF7A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me01.mx.aol.com (rly-me01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.34]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME041-99b4b1b9c30105; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:57:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME017-99b4b1b9c30105; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:57:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHFj3-0004XK-32 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:56:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHFj2-0004XB-Kq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:56:28 +0000 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHFj2-0006Ho-1y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:56:28 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuAEABcrG0tOlKDg/2dsb2JhbACODgbHFoQzBIFn X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,349,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="296663559" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.148.160.224]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 06 Dec 2009 11:56:21 +0000 Message-ID: <003401ca766b$1d2d0b70$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:56:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 137.7 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01CA766B.1CD28F60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CA766B.1CD28F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Plenty of QRS3 acty from EU this morning on 137.7 all good OOO cop= y here at Loc IO94SH. whereas 500 is quiet apart from G3DXZ and G3KEV de G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CA766B.1CD28F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Plenty of QRS3 act= y from EU this=20 morning on 137.7 all good OOO copy here at Loc IO94SH.
whereas 500 is quiet apart from G3DXZ= and=20 G3KEV
de G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CA766B.1CD28F60-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db04.mx.aol.com (rly-db04.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.79]) by air-db06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB064-abf4b295d2440; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:20:37 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB045-abf4b295d2440; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:20:22 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NL2Aq-0002J5-Mh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:16:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NL2Aq-0002Iw-BA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:16:48 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s3.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.14]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NL2Cs-0007xd-Fn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:18:55 +0000 Received: from BLU146-DS5 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s3.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:19:11 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [60.27.206.155] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: To: , , <500kc@500kc.com> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:19:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2009 22:19:11.0184 (UTC) FILETIME=[CADBAD00:01CA7E9D] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: China QRT Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0125_01CA7E9D.C92BDA20" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0125_01CA7E9D.C92BDA20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gents - just pulled the power from the receivers and they are being pa= cked. All China snappers are now QRT. The Alaskan receiver is still sitting on 600m http://www.kl1x.com/alas= ka.html and will stay where it is till I get to AK next week. There is bad wx up there and power outages and heavy snow is making li= fe interesting. 73 from a not so warm China. Laurence KL 1 X in BY3A ...-.- ------=_NextPart_000_0125_01CA7E9D.C92BDA20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gents - just pulled the power from the recei= vers and=20 they are being packed. All China snappers are now QRT.
 
 
There is bad wx up there and power outages= and heavy=20 snow is making life interesting.
 
73 from a not so warm China.
 
Laurence KL 1 X in BY3A  =20 ...-.-
------=_NextPart_000_0125_01CA7E9D.C92BDA20-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da06.mx.aol.com (rly-da06.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.80]) by air-da06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA064-a774b19b9c31f3; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 20:39:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA067-a774b19b9c31f3; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 20:39:17 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGjb8-0004DZ-Pz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 01:38:10 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGjb8-0004DQ-4A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 01:38:10 +0000 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGjb6-0001xB-Bw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 01:38:10 +0000 thread-index: Acp1S5Ucq91DJAqlQ5OcaGZr0MMKAg== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 X-SPAM-FLAG:NO Received: from ([127.0.0.1]) with MailEnable ESMTP; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 01:38:00 +0000 Message-ID: <9AF4BA15A6D94C3483BB006F4E38040B@radiorummet> From: "Gus" To: References: <59DC6AF25071476FA37B42E3896BC627@radiorummet> <00aa01ca7548$de12ce70$0201a8c0@Clemens04> In-Reply-To: <00aa01ca7548$de12ce70$0201a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 02:37:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-CHK: uvtcmail.se X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00EF_01CA7553.F4719420" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.6 required=5.0 tests=BEEN_TURNED_DOWN,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00EF_01CA7553.F4719420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Clemens, thanks for your info and print my WSPR formerly of 137 kHz. Not bad considering the low power used! Luke just wants attention :-) I have now closed the transmitter for the night. Best 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Clemens Paul=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 2:17 AM Subject: LF: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz Hi GUs, see below: 2118 8 0.4 136.151499 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2138 9 0.6 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2144 8 0.7 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2218 7 0.6 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2222 8 0.7 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2226 9 0.8 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 As my internert connection has been broken during the last hours no= data upload has taken place. Probably a few loggings are missing because I had to use my dipole= for receiving whis is periodically disturbed when our heater is is on. My K9AY has been turned down this late afternoon by our three months= old labrador 'Luke'. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gus=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:55 PM Subject: LF: WSPR on 137 kHz Hello LF-group, this evening i will transmit, WSPR on 137.650 kHz 136.150 kHz dial= . Power abt 50 mW ERP. Transmitter start at 16:00 GMT All reports are welcome. You can also log on,=20 www.sm6bhz.com 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de=20 Version: 9.0.709 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.93/2544 - Ausgabedatum:= 12/04/09 08:32:00=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00EF_01CA7553.F4719420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi=20 Clemens,

thanks=20 for your info and print my WSPR formerly of 137 kHz.
Not bad=20 considering the low power used!
Luke just wants attention=20 :-)
I have now=20 closed the transmitter for the night.

Best 73 de Gus SM6BHZ
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 05,= 2009 2:17=20 AM
Subject: LF: Re: WSPR on 137= kHz

Hi GUs,
 
see below:
 
2118   8  0.4 136.15= 1499  0=20 SM6BHZ JO57 17
2138   9  0.6 136.151500  0 SM= 6BHZ JO57=20 17
2144   8  0.7 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ JO57=20 17
2218   7  0.6 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ JO57=20 17
2222   8  0.7 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ JO57=20 17
2226   9  0.8 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ JO57=20 17
 
As my internert connection has been= =20 broken during the last hours no data upload
has taken place.
Probably a few loggings are missing= because=20 I had to use my dipole for
receiving whis is periodically=20 disturbed when our heater is is on.
My K9AY has been turned down this= late afternoon=20 by our three months old
labrador 'Luke'.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
 
 
 
 
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gus=
Sent: Friday, December 04,= 2009 4:55=20 PM
Subject: LF: WSPR on 137 kH= z

Hello LF-group,
this=20 evening i will transmit, WSPR on 137.650 kHz 136.150 kHz dial. Power abt 50 mW ERP.
All=20 reports are welcome.
You can also log on,=20
 
73= de Gus=20 SM6BHZ


Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei.
Von AVG =FCberpr=FCf= t - www.avg.de
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------=_NextPart_000_00EF_01CA7553.F4719420-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (rly-mg06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.112]) by air-mg09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG092-a1d4b2a5e86cc; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:38:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG067-a1d4b2a5e86cc; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:38:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLJIz-0007Zx-Fn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:34:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLJIz-0007Zo-4Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:34:21 +0000 Received: from pne-smtpout2-sn1.fre.skanova.net ([81.228.11.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLJLM-0005WM-7s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:36:50 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (81.235.167.68) by pne-smtpout2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (7.3.140.3) (authenticated as u33233109) id 4AE177E2007726E6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:37:12 +0100 Message-ID: <4B2A5E38.1090403@telia.com> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:37:12 +0100 From: "Johan H. Bodin" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4B2A4FAE.9010805@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <4B2A4FAE.9010805@usa.net> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Is this the Luxembourg effect ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Yes Alberto, it sounds like the Luxembourg effect. I have a heard a similar effect many times on DCF39's carrier. The high tones of the modulation are attenuated, probably because of some "thermal inertia" in the electron stuff up there. 73 Johan SM6LKM ---- Alberto di Bene wrote: > LF group, > > tuning at 128.930 kHz, the frequency of the German power utility > station, in USB mode, > I can hear what is possible to listen to in this 30 sec. MP3 file : > > http://www.sdradio.eu/audio/luxmbrg.mp3 > > Is this what is called the Luxembourg effect ? I hear a mix of various > broadcasting stations > in the intervals between the data streams. I used the mini-whip and > Perseus, and strongly doubt > that one of these components can be the cause of what otherwise could be > attributed to intermodulation. > Or, saying it better, it *is* intermodulation, but the responsible is > the ionosphere. > > Am I right ? Is that the (in)famous Luxembourg effect ? Or there is > another reason for that ? > > TNX > > 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (rly-dc04.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.33]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC024-b1c4b3147bc238; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:27:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC048-b1c4b3147bc238; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:27:10 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNDAw-0007jh-V7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:25:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNDAw-0007jY-FA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:25:54 +0000 Received: from n8a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.87.104]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNDAv-0000Tk-VI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:25:54 +0000 Received: from [68.142.200.226] by n8.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2009 22:25:46 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.73] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2009 22:25:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp425.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2009 22:25:46 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 827457.71935.bm@omp425.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 85849 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2009 22:25:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=TxkAsp7JgLCVmWyFS/9v0Ualhfur3Is7qK1dWMt+DhuJzeMRcuXDW24+i3qqezrTcnfRbQvGWlcgrNRCdv6s2E4wbaTPHl6mBPk9lN7+xINrV5/3HSZUfmoXPi1AISEa3iJjHD49skOe3jiGPDELHh4f34/cuq8/iTxWuA8cFjo= ; Received: from host86-151-140-44.range86-151.btcentralplus.com (ken.h.wright@86.151.140.44 with login) by smtp138.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2009 14:25:46 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9Y6mUHuswBAgnrOsukIiNdFDf95uy_Dz34nY1hlg2liKgYD952sjbg-- X-YMail-OSG: zmKXDZQVM1ksrboe7SnB88ti7G7GRHdbSqjEgHtwzuWL8OBM80vDbh27AzriU94239C5UFjkHLJ8uv692_oieYQLO7DAUDsTarEJ.oNR0JLfCmtSq.cyEfwA0cLVKQ5bk47PK_st5D4ZuIu545Rdc7JwRpcUDTig4WHq_Ts5oof2MSru4aoTQaUVjJmys2oOyTG77AmlSbzoBIhVtrmkHHXeyfOFWIdtIiOrjS_e8_VcAWF6rODGYpHwCDKR5lthDc_Ti2RAwW45AGAf3r4qtvcLGyO5rPoat6sN.1zwCurm2gx.zI.fqWvM.BSADyaN5hpZ_96wR7csl7529UzhHkk9hREoz6WXUlYPhLD_fxywN4GOtrpt7xyNfg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <41AD0F546A9449DBA4357932408AFEF3@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <678FAD4478574A8682D9BDE7D982EE11@lindavideo> <1f0624b90912220213l299aa2ebvd9a91a3fbd3b0983@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:25:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: PA0RDT Mini-Whip Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0063_01CA8355.B3933BB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01CA8355.B3933BB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gary and Roelof. Thankyou for your very useful comments regarding the positioning of th= e PA0RDT Mini-Whip, I am fortunate that the radio room is remote from= the house and has a separate eathing system. If I increase my 500kHz= ERP to 1W, will I still be ok, or will protection diodes be required= on the input FET gate? 73 Ken M0KHW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gary - G4WGT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:13 AM Subject: Re: LF: PA0RDT Mini-Whip Hi Ken, I have my Mini-Whip mounted with a short length of PVC tube on an1.5= metre aluminium stand off arm attached to my main steel (100mm square= ) mast at about 9 metres high. The coax runs down the mast & about 25= metres into the house. The coax braid is grounded at the base of the= mast were it enters the garage. I use that for my grabbers (off at th= e moment due to technical reasons) & it operates quite well. 73 Gary - G4WGT. 2009/12/21 Ken Hello All. I have been reading the recent posting regarding the PA0RDT Mini-W= hip earthing etc, and am becoming rather confused. I am hoping to con= struct a Mini-Whip over the Christmas break, but have issues regarding= the positioning of it, the original drawings show it on a non metalli= c mast, if I mount it high it will be within 2m vertical separation an= d a 3m horizontal separation of the top horizontal section of the ante= nna, the other option would be to mount it 1m above ground which will= give a 8m vertical separation and a 4m horizontal separation. Just to= add further problems if elevated vertically it is very close to veget= ation, and at the 1m position it will be close to the neighbour=92s ch= ain link fence. The Mini-Whip will be connected to the shack with appr= oximately 25m of 50 ohm coax. Your comments will be gratefully receive= d. 73s Ken M0KHW ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01CA8355.B3933BB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Gary and Roelof.
Thankyou for your very useful comment= s regarding=20 the positioning of the PA0RDT Mini-Whip, I am fortunate that the radio= room is=20 remote from the house and has a separate eathing system. If I increase= my 500kHz=20 ERP to 1W, will I still be ok, or will protection diodes be required= on the=20 input FET gate?
 
73
Ken
M0KHW
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 22,= 2009 10:13=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: PA0RDT Mini-= Whip

Hi Ken,

I have my Mini-Whip mounted with a short length of PVC tube on= an1.5=20 metre aluminium stand off arm attached to my main steel (100mm squar= e) mast at=20 about 9 metres high. The coax runs down the mast & about 25 metr= es into=20 the house. The coax braid is grounded at the base of the mast were= it enters=20 the garage. I use that for my grabbers (off at the moment due to tec= hnical=20 reasons) & it operates quite well.

73

Gary - G4WGT.


2009/12/21 Ken <ken.h.wright@btinternet.c= om>

Hello All.

I have been reading= the recent posting regarding the=20 PA0RDT Mini-Whip earthing etc, and am becoming rather confused. =20 I am hoping to construct a Mini-Whip over the Christmas bre= ak, but=20 have issues regarding the positioning of it, the original drawings= show it=20 on a non metallic mast, if I mount it high it will be within 2m ve= rtical=20 separation and a 3m horizontal separation of the top horizontal se= ction of=20 the antenna, the other option would be to mount it 1m above ground= which=20 will give a 8m vertical separation and a 4m horizontal separation.= Just to=20 add further problems if elevated vertically it is very close to ve= getation,=20 and at the 1m position it will be close to the neighbour=92s chain= link fence.=20 The Mini-Whip will be connected to the shack with approximately 25= m of 50=20 ohm coax. Your comments will be gratefully received.=

 =

73s

Ken

M0KHW<= /P>

 


------=_NextPart_000_0063_01CA8355.B3933BB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de12.mx.aol.com (rly-de12.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.148]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE072-51c4b1fb1bca8; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:18:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE123-51c4b1fb1bca8; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:18:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NINMJ-00020x-Gs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:17:39 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NINMJ-00020o-4H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:17:39 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate05.web.de ([217.72.192.243]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NINMH-0008Sf-5D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:17:39 +0000 Received: from web.de by fmmailgate05.web.de (Postfix) with SMTP id C2FE45CE3C7A for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:17:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from [88.76.59.99] by freemailng2503.web.de with HTTP; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:17:31 +0100 Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:17:31 +0100 Message-Id: <1527965255@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?iso-8859-15?Q?Horst_St=F6cker?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-Provags-Id: V01U2FsdGVkX18TjfEsZJi5qayVCYawwQT+DeshuwCJvr7aUNg+l6QQXTvvR g8FgoEdfjcEhblditH2PtEfrcfi7QZH548U2Z3ioZamnHHXvhHxtoKjKmpU3 w== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: SAQ testing again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) now ___________________________________________________________ Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.!=20 http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md04.mx.aol.com (rly-md04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.142]) by air-md04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD041-8fe4b19314377; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:57:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD046-8fe4b19314377; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:56:53 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGaUy-0007ZU-SC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 15:55:12 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGaUx-0007ZL-UF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 15:55:12 +0000 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGaUu-0006Rm-Tb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 15:55:11 +0000 thread-index: Acp0+iO/YljcDudAQ0uLNskWT7Hhmg== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 X-SPAM-FLAG:NO Received: from ([127.0.0.1]) with MailEnable ESMTP; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 15:55:00 +0000 Message-ID: <59DC6AF25071476FA37B42E3896BC627@radiorummet> From: "Gus" To: Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 16:55:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000012 X-CHK: uvtcmail.se X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: WSPR on 137 kHz Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01CA7502.8451FAF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CA7502.8451FAF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF-group, this evening i will transmit, WSPR on 137.650 kHz 136.150 kHz dial. Po= wer abt 50 mW ERP. Transmitter start at 16:00 GMT All reports are welcome. You can also log on,=20 www.sm6bhz.com 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CA7502.8451FAF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello=20 LF-group,
this=20 evening i will transmit, WSPR on 137.650 kHz 136.150 kHz dial. = Power abt 50 mW ERP.
Tr= ansmitter=20 start at 16:00 GMT
All=20 reports are welcome.
You can also log on,=20
 
73 de= Gus=20 SM6BHZ
------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CA7502.8451FAF0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da04.mx.aol.com (rly-da04.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.78]) by air-da09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA091-a664b2e5d411ea; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:22:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA046-a664b2e5d411ea; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:22:11 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMPNz-0007Xc-Id for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:16:03 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMPNz-0007XT-13 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:16:03 +0000 Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com ([64.12.207.164]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMPSY-0005jL-R6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:20:49 +0000 Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nBKHKelx005173 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:20:40 -0500 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.d4e.651a29f5 (34969) for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:20:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from Black (e179126018.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.179.126.18]) by cia-da07.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA076-88994b2e5ce335e; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:20:36 -0500 Message-ID: <74674232B5D144C187B6C6CAC1AC750B@Black> From: "Markus Vester" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <346854e9698cbf94f4483c66682bb63b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <4B2CDA00.6080504@att.net> <200912201058160899.2B6A2E1A@smtp2.numeo.fr> <005301ca8167$ac452e30$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> In-Reply-To: <005301ca8167$ac452e30$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:20:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: "harmonics" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Andrey. here this is happening because the receiver's gain control or noise blanker reacts on DCF39 or HGA22 telegrams. They normally occur every 11 seconds. The receiver then modulates all signals in the passband, and gives them a set of sidebands 1/11s = 0.09 Hz apart. Switching off AGC and NB will remove the sidebands on the signals completely, but at the cost of an increased background from the original DCF FSK sidebands. Kind regards, MArkus (DF6NM) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 12:28 PM Subject: LF: "harmonics" Hello LF, At strong levels of a signal such "harmonics" are formed here. Somebody knows the reason of formation of these "harmonics"? 73 Andrey From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da02.mx.aol.com (rly-da02.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.76]) by air-da01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA012-a564b22210f157; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:38:30 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA026-a564b22210f157; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:38:09 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ2s4-00056E-4B for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:37:12 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ2s3-000565-OJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:37:11 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ2s3-0006sA-2m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:37:11 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqYEADeqIUtOkHtC/2dsb2JhbACOEAbIH4QrBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,381,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="313786363" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([78.144.123.66]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2009 10:13:05 +0000 Message-ID: <001301ca7a4a$897e3a00$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:13:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 DomainKey-Status: bad format X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: LA3EQ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA7A4A.891A2100" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA7A4A.891A2100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LA3EQ audible now daytime 1012z=20 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA7A4A.891A2100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
LA3EQ audible now daytime 1012z
de mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA7A4A.891A2100-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf06.mx.aol.com (rly-mf06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.176]) by air-mf06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF062-9664b24c3d7335; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 05:37:30 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF064-9664b24c3d7335; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 05:37:13 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJlnn-00022i-T2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:35:47 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJlnn-00022Z-Dx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:35:47 +0000 Received: from psmtp04.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJloF-0002Fe-QS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:36:17 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp04.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KUL004JU6SAA9@psmtp04.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:36:10 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:36:10 +0100 From: henny van elst To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <315AF40AC1E6481D87F09316ABDB6CA5@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <286ACBB4A14E40BD9C16AFC9DBD0953B@ns94d01ae4d850> <4B24C018.1020605@inext.at> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AGC OE5 12-12.jpg Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Tu Ossi, best 73s henny cpm........... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oberreiter Oswald" To: Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 11:21 AM Subject: Re: LF: AGC OE5 12-12.jpg > hallo henny > thank you fer pic > fore long time tx running , i transmit only the number 5 in qrss75 > 73 de ossy oe5odl > > henny van elst schrieb: >> Capture Agc Oe5 >> heny pa3cpm >> 73s >> Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden >> verzonden: >> AGC OE5 12-12.jpg >> >> Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen >> virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet >> toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt >> weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.427 / Virus Database: 270.14.105/2561 - Release Date: 12/12/09 19:39:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (rly-mf02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.172]) by air-mf07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF071-9474b1d2aa52bb; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:17:55 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF025-9474b1d2aa52bb; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:17:44 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHgGT-0002Ed-Jg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:16:45 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHgGT-0002EU-3l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:16:45 +0000 Received: from mbox2.netikka.net ([213.250.81.203]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHgGR-0008Rc-Rw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:16:45 +0000 Received: from tupu.netikka.net (tupu [172.16.83.90]) by mbox2-feedback.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 098FA40804B for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 18:16:38 +0200 (EET) Received: from imp1.netikka.net (imp1.netikka.net [213.250.85.154]) by tupu.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB55F4B005F for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 18:16:37 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imp1.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03738495BB5 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 18:16:38 +0200 (EET) Received: from 558602b6.adsl.multi.fi (558602b6.adsl.multi.fi [85.134.2.182]) by imp.netikka.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:16:37 +0200 Message-ID: <1260202597.4b1d2a65f3b5c@imp.netikka.net> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:16:37 +0200 From: Paul-Henrik To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 85.134.2.182 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Broadcast audio splatter on 136kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) LF Does anybody else on the reflector suffer from BC-splatter on 136kHz? It= has been a regular occurance here lately after dark. After some identification= work I have a match on the running programmes on 171 and 225kHz, 225kHz being= the stronger. I blamed my RX chain at first and started to eliminate IMD possibilities= but even now using a passive antenna and a very sharp bandpass filter (much li= ke an IF-filter for a valve BC-set) I still have the BC splatter. So far I have not been able to determine the carrier frequency of this "ph= antom station" but it must be close to the carrier of Lakihegy. Using AM detecti= on with a narrow filter it seems centered around 135.4kHz. Sounds like two BC-stations on top of eachother and the USB reaches up in the amateur band making "ghost whispers". Luxembourg effect, transmitter IMD or just me missing the point? The bandp= ass filter is very effective and there are only weak traces of signals above 150kHz. BR Paul-Henrik, OH1LSQ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md06.mx.aol.com (rly-md06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.144]) by air-md08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD082-9104b1fe16e3cf; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:42:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD068-9104b1fe16e3cf; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:42:09 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIQWk-0003mr-J2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:40:38 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIQWk-0003mi-4e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:40:38 +0000 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIQWi-0001on-8e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:40:38 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgEFAEFwH0tOlV86/2dsb2JhbACIfM8FhCwE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,369,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="166144372" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.149.95.58]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 09 Dec 2009 17:40:30 +0000 Message-ID: <000901ca78f6$b1cc61d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <8B303A7ED38945AB81CCE7216314C304@lindavideo> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 17:40:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ken Its certainly an expensive appliance. My 500 tx was built from the junk box. The xtals are 1945/50 vintage. The FET came out of an old marine tx. My IC 706 has output on 500 and just needs a filter to clean the sig up and a FET amp added to get some qro rf out.This rig then covers from 500 kcs - 146mcs all mode capability and costs less. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 5:09 PM Subject: LF: Re: TX-2200A > More appliance operators Mal? > > 73 > Ken > M0KHW > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Warren Ziegler" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 3:30 PM > Subject: LF: TX-2200A > > > > Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 > > Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver > > muting. > > Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! > > > > http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf > > > > > > > > 73 Warren K2ORS > > WD2XGJ > > WD2XSH/23 > > WE2XEB/2 > > WE2XGR/1 > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (rly-mg06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.112]) by air-mg08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG084-a1c4b1e1770ae; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 04:08:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG066-a1c4b1e1770ae; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 04:08:02 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHw1T-000565-Jc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:06:19 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHw1T-00055w-3n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:06:19 +0000 Received: from 113-mo2-8.acn.waw.pl ([62.121.95.113] helo=paranoid.lipkowski.org) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHw1O-0005oP-1S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:06:19 +0000 Received: from paranoid.lipkowski.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id nB896l5k032310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:06:47 +0100 Received: from localhost (sq5bpf@localhost) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.6/Submit) with ESMTP id nB896kU7032307 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:06:46 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: paranoid.lipkowski.org: sq5bpf owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:06:46 +0100 (CET) From: Jacek Lipkowski To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <702134.97980.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <702134.97980.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score-sq5bpf: -2.601 () BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Broadcast audio splatter on 136kHz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Alan Just like you said - i have no personal expierience with the "rusty bolt" effect on LF/MF, and am extrapolating HF ideas down to LF :) Hypotheticaly speaking the structure size to get enough voltage into a metal-metal oxide junction is not that great. A metal fence >100m long should be enough for local signals. Paul-Henrik gave two frequencies: 171kHz and 225kHz (i can't see how they can give around 135.4kHz via mixing, so there is probably a third station involved). These could be Radio Russia from Kaliningrad (600kW) and Warsaw 1 from Solec Kujawski (1MW). Obviously the two are not local to him, so ICM might be probable (the "rusty bolt in the sky" :). VY 73 Jacek / SQ5BPF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de12.mx.aol.com (rly-de12.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.148]) by air-de06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE063-51d4b2781c727e; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:32:21 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE124-51d4b2781c727e; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:32:10 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKWX4-0003D8-LR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:29:38 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKWX4-0003Cx-1L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:29:38 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKWYh-000304-2J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:31:21 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsQEANsPJ0tOlAiJ/2dsb2JhbACIX88shCsEgWI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,399,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="341143826" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([78.148.8.137]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2009 12:30:55 +0000 Message-ID: <003601ca7d82$7279b600$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4B250D02.733.14E9A34@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC66@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:30:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I am staying, I estimate you now agree with 90% of what I have always said. Its only a matter of time for it to reach 100% Now that you are working in CYCLES you are beginning hear/see the light. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:59 AM Subject: Re: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Comparing QRSS with visual intepretation cannot be compared directly with CW using Aural decoding - you have to normalise values. Your ears have an 'effective' bandwidth for CW of , probably, around 30Hz. Within this bandwidth, most experienced operators can hear a tone, at their optimum tone frequency of choice, at around 5 - 10dB S/N. But to decode CW reliably, this S/N has to be nearer 15dB. CW experience plays a big part here (Mal, - stay...........!!) Using QRSS, you can probably get reliable visual decoding at 10 - 15dB S/N in the dot bandwidth. For 20WPM CW, with a dot of say 50ms this corresponds to 20Hz ( 1/0.05s) which is near-enough to the 30Hz noise bandwidth assumed. So aural CW and visual QRSS are roughly equal in terms of RATE / BANDWIDTH. The QRSS advantage comes about since you are prepared to trade off message duration against bandwidth. This is basic information theory as mostly worked out by Shannon in 1948. If you normalise to a standard form of Bits/second/Hz (which become Bits / cycle and is rather more meaningful when using the old cycles per second terminology of Shannon's day) then CW QRSS, and inded the various Hell formats as well, are all roughly equal in signalling capability. ie about 1B/s/Hz at 10 to 10dB S/N Even SSB voice fall into about the same region since the ear/brain does a very good noise canceling job there as well. Remember that value - its pretty constant for 'human' modes (and the actual value very operator-experience dependent) [... I said 'Stay...." :-) ] And yes, if the path was stable for several years, and the ionosphere didn't move to give Doppler spreading on your signal, then dropping to QRSSSSS....SSSSSSSS 1000000000000 you could indeed communicate with VK using a nanowatt to a hairpin! But note those caveats - if the path was stable and ionosphere... It isn't. Alan G3NYK and others have studied 137 / 500 propagation anomalies and more-or-less come to the conclusion the stable period is only tens of minutes, if that. Which precludes any faster signalling than a few tenths of a bit per second. HOWEVER, and this is where the real future lies... If you throw away the concept of simple signalling, forget CW, QRSS etc, and use a properly designed multilevel waveform with heavy forward error correction and soft decoding then you WILL gain a real 10dB or so over simple on/off. Yes you really will. As an example take WSPR, which sends 72 bits of source information in 110 seconds, that's about 0.6B/s/Hz (0r 0.6Bits/cycle - I like that terminology !) . It can do that at -29dB S/N normalised it 2.5kHz - we know that, it is accurately measured and reported by the decoding software. Since the WSPR signalling bandwidth is 1.46Hz - the symbol rate, that -29dB at 2.5kHz increases by 32dB to +3dB. And that's completely error free I reckon decent FEC can add 6dB to the signalling efficiency of human modes. Open to arguments. See www.g4jnt/MartleSham.htm for a powerpoint presentation including some simulated CW in defined S/N and more vlaues / details Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police 2009/12/15 Stefan Schfer : > Dear LF, > > I have done some further thoughts/questions about the "gain" between the > qrss modes. > > If the "gain" or better said SNR between qrss30 and qrss3 is 10dB, so can I > do a QSO to VK with 1W TX Power and an antenna efficiency of 1/1000 if I > choose QRSS10000000000? Thats a litte jokingly formulated but you know what > I mean. In other words, where are the limitations of this rule? > > In CW I think that rule cannot be valid because a dot in CW (say 20wpm) is > much shorter than 0,3s but to my experience the gain compared to qrss3 is > not even 10dB. Furthermore a PC must be seen as a source of QRM, especially > when connected to the antenna system (e.g. for switching a tx relay with the > qrs-programm) and RX (even when using a insulating transformer for the AF), > and so it always brings a negative gain, even when one uses 10s of ferrite > cores > > And: I always thought of the energy "waste" when applying 1kW (before 6 yrs > when I became qrv with a much worse antenna) to the antenna and pumping > 999,9W into the earth. But when I need 10x the time in qrss30 to do the qso > with 100W, the needed energy is the same (compared to 1kW in qrss3). So, > qsos could be done much faster if choosing 10x the power and stay in qrss3. > The additional advantage would be, if I try to do a TA QSO I could just stay > in the region of 137.7 and those who are qrv in qrss3 and only watch the > qrss3-sector would get a nice signal and thus more fascination for the > LF-hobby (I often think about the LWLs watching my transmission when no one > is answering my call ;-)). In sum, the needed energy (=money) is the same > but the needed time would be 10x less. > > Of course, there would be some problems like partial discharges due to the > high voltage at the antenna and for 10kW the kitchen stove must be connected > in parallel, that could cause QRM with the XYL... ;-) But generally it would > be interesting!? > > What is the maximum power that is applied to an antenna yet? What have you > heard yet? I have applied 1kW in a bad antenna (=> abt 100mW ERP), so 10kW > would be possible when considering to stay in the legal limit. 10kW would be > possible since one doesn't need a ferrite core that has to keep the power > (in Class E mode). In USA it would be even more easy due to the fact that > the 110V of the mains could just be rectified. Then I would take some > STW12NK90Z in parallel and a IXDD414 and try it with 15A antenna current ;-) > > Sorry, but in that hobby it is really easy to become euphoric > > > > 73 and hope for fine qsos for us J > > Stefan / DK7FC > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (rly-dd06.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.153]) by air-dd01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD011-b814b2cdd0f3de; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 09:03:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD063-b814b2cdd0f3de; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 09:02:56 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLzog-0001zo-6s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:57:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLzof-0001zf-Qd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:57:53 +0000 Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.67]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLzrv-0002XY-H8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 14:01:18 +0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=WWupFfKWN1ZoSH6iL7UAyaJ5f2xuuk5j5v2NmXnzEESmdGqM/AVJOyjdJeZ75208; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.240.15.222] (helo=ctrask) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1NLzsS-00006y-1v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 09:01:48 -0500 Message-ID: <003301ca80b3$eed331c0$de0ff004@ctrask> From: "Chris Trask" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <346854e9698cbf94f4483c66682bb63b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <001e01ca80b0$392cb0b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 07:02:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: b77fdb70683249914713efb067f9a722239a348a220c2609f61652768550a3049424e4d75ab48e23350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.240.15.222 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 > > > I think the role of the ground with active whips is often neglected - the > > output of the whip preamp is the voltage differential between the whip > > element and the circuit ground, so the ground connection is just as much > > part of the antenna as the whip element itself is. > > That's an important point that is often overlooked or ignored. A mini whip > mounted up at 5 meters is a 5 meter antenna. You can easily prove this by > mounting it at ground zero on top of a ground > screen. Been there, done that. > I can see how this would be true if the preamp is connected to the "actual" ground, meaning the earth's surface, and the whip. But the connections from the ground and whip to the preamp would also constitute an antenna since they are exposed to the EM field and cannot be of zero length. You could, however, condition the whip to avoid this. By using a coaxial cable of some sort from the ground to the whip, the inner and outer conductors would have the same voltage induced by the EM field and then TEM coupling. A transformer winding would have a first winding connected from the inner conductor to the whip, and a second winding from the outer conductor to the preamp. That would subtract out the voltage resulting from the path to ground. Chris From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db01.mx.aol.com (rly-db01.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.76]) by air-db04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB043-aa44b22cb0e36; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:43:39 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB012-aa44b22cb0e36; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:43:27 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJEBy-0002kl-1I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:42:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJEBx-0002kc-ML for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:42:29 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJEBw-0003or-RL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:42:29 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 410834C80A9 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:42:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582334C808E for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:42:22 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B22CACE.1020301@online.fr> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:42:22 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <88EEC52E6C874CCEB966804D073A3376@White> <57a24ca70912110724l43b18b68t5d2f18849fb14147@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70912110724l43b18b68t5d2f18849fb14147@mail.gmail.com> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello LF, Markus , I ad=E8re at your request ! if the activity wanted to return on= =20 2200m , perhaps that the weather would be necessary to be simple ! How says it Warren to change frequency during the night , is not possible= ! I thought of of this system : Europe : beaconing ~136 320 Asia : beaconing ~137 778 Be-Asia/Oceania : beaconing ~136 320 North-America : beaconing ~137 320 What think of this principle ? 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj Warren Ziegler a =E9crit : > Markus, > > My antenna tuning unit is outside 100 meters away from > the ham shack. > I am unwilling to go out in the winter night to retune the antenna to > QSY to the lower frequency segment. > > =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc04.mx.aol.com (rly-mc04.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.88]) by air-mc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC014-d6c4b2794b6161; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:53:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC044-d6c4b2794b6161; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:52:56 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKXn6-0004hf-LV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:50:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKXn6-0004hW-27 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:50:16 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f211.google.com ([209.85.220.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKXoT-0005iy-CH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:51:43 +0000 Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so4551072fxm.4 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 05:51:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=b84JclSGogmdqmTAskICafcdOBCTJHjL23TDyy71nrw=; b=tne8NdcEX+OJ16or7eiU+bZAkTnkE07E0ziXCP5z51X0//BN2H0Vb4ves0mqvwuhtT r37aaJIow2U5uWu0m737q/S3sQvxNbSuzLQVj9oAwdtMwwmYi3akveuAGyU+OtZyTrRg EkOeAWGdhkegxhzuxZsGGTtcp0AwfhBBu/ISk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=J7158Y/X+gfqmdM8eD2jBQmcFyb3QtQyCpeJSOPq5dcmcsby4yd0E+GH7XXYVI1UzT MrRMlQdmz/qlzgdAiUcihDcmHTQW5DCEu/PiaWVOx6apuGT+bNz7XO5oABPofwjs7ZW6 BZ6h2b6TWytkpeny6HeTRbzz+NBnXjbQZO9ic= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.141.142 with SMTP id c14mr673437hba.1.1260885111722; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 05:51:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC77@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> References: <20091215112352.36901F3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC77@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:51:51 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: AW: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d223.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) 700Watts (or more) direct from Eu mains voltage http://www.g4jnt.com/137tx.pdf With a bit less safety margin, 1kW is quite feasible Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police 2009/12/15 Stefan Sch=E4fer : > Mni tnx Rik for your answer! > > > > No, you didn=92t spoil the fun at all ;-) > > > > I have some remarks/ideas. > > The coil losses increase linear with the power but not more than linear.= So, > 10x the power wouldn=92t decrease the antenna efficiency (if no arcing= occurs, > of course). If we assume an antenna, e.g. in 8m height with many topload= s, > then the efficiency will be poor but the capacitance will be high and th= us > the needed L will be small. Therefore we get a low voltage even with ver= y > high power and due to the low efficiency we will keep the legal limit.= So, > if one has no possibility to increase the antenna height QRO is one choi= ce, > especially when the operator is already in pension and cannot do a qso= in > qrss10000000000000000000000000 any more ;-) > > > > > > > > It should be possible to run a TX directly of the mains (giving about 33= 0V > DC). But for 10kW the PSU current would be 33A, requiring something like= a > 60000uF/450V elco, these large HV elco's cost a fortune (at QRL we recen= ty > had to replace a 4700uF/450V capacitor, it costed over 200 Euro). > And for a Class-D / Class-E amp running of 330V a 900V power FET might= be a > bit on the edge for a foolprove TX (but since you are spending a fortune= on > elco's you can spend some more money on 1.5kV devices ;-) ). > > > > Yes, you are right. But i mean i USA, where the voltage is 110V, you get > about 155V and thus the 900V FET would have 6 times more. For a class e= mode > PA, 4x the voltage can be reached when SWR is correct(!) so there would= be a > goog savety factor. About the Capacitors: You could reduce the needed C= when > using a 3 phase system (of the kitchen oven ;-) ). Then you would get ab= out > 268VDC and therefore a factor 3,35 to the 900V which will be critical fo= r > the FETs when SWR is not absolutely constant 1:1, so better using a > IXFH24N100 =A0;-) > > > > Really nice, that conversation! Tnx! > > > > 73, Stefan / DK7FC > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.212]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA033-863b4b38f1f71d3; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:59:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2686E3800008B; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:59:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPJr2-0006OC-UX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:58:04 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPJr2-0006O3-JS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:58:04 +0000 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPJr0-0004Px-U0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:58:04 +0000 Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091228175757.JFRE17277.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:57:57 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091228175757.ZKMT21638.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:57:57 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:57:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B38F1A1.30805.16EAE3D@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=tQEkECTdZGdkCRhU8G0A:9 a=pZIuXSDvjdAytHobacfXNX-yrMMA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: XDV beacon tonight Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d44b38f1f76908 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I will be beaconing overnight again using QRSS60 on 136.3198kHz. I note that PA3CPM is already on 136.3180kHz. Mike, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md10.mx.aol.com (rly-md10.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.148]) by air-md06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD063-9304b2470d444; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 23:43:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD108-9304b2470d444; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 23:43:02 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJgGn-00080h-1I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 04:41:21 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJgGm-00080Y-Fi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 04:41:20 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s27.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.38]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJgH5-0000jd-PS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 04:41:41 +0000 Received: from BLU146-DS1 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s27.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:41:24 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [60.27.206.155] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: To: Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 04:41:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2009 04:41:24.0572 (UTC) FILETIME=[8691F9C0:01CA7BAE] X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: busy night 137 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0085_01CA7BAE.86968DA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01CA7BAE.86968DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pretty busy http://kl1x.com/China1213.jpg and a nice strong "W" on 136= .3185/136.3184 around 1700z - got a bit noisy QRN wise later in the= night and occasional SMPSU outburst from something local. 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Pretty busy http://kl1x.com/China1213.jpg and a=20 nice strong "W" on 136.3185/136.3184 around 1700z  - got a bit no= isy QRN=20 wise later in the night and occasional SMPSU outburst from something= =20 local.
 
Laurence KL 1 X in BY3A OM89UA
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0085_01CA7BAE.86968DA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma02.mx.aol.com (rly-ma02.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.46]) by air-ma08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA083-8904b16a25b12f; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:22:42 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA022-8904b16a25b12f; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:22:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFstb-0005is-JI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:21:43 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFstb-0005ij-3v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:21:43 +0000 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFstZ-0006Yf-BY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:21:43 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah8JAAYxFktOlANV/2dsb2JhbACESYcSu0OEaIwUgS+CL1ME X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,329,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="146983627" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.148.3.85]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 02 Dec 2009 17:21:34 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01ca7373$e4baa170$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B16987B.9000002@usa.net> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:21:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Use an aluminium beer keg as the probe mounted a few metres above ground. g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alberto di Bene" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 4:40 PM Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Stefan Schäfer wrote: > > My Conclusion: It seems that a short receiving antenna can bee seen as a > capacitive divider out of the capacity between far field and antenna and > the capacity between antenna and ground. If the wire length is to much, > the input stage becomes nonlinear/goes into saturation. If the height > above ground is increased the signal comes up, but not the signal/noise > ratio(surely there will be a benefit if such an antenna is placed in a > region with heavy local qrm. Then, the height should be increased and > the wire length can be decreased). So, one cannot say “the more the > better” talking about the wire length! It would be quite interesting if somebody could try to use, instead of a wire, something with a greater capacity towards ground, e.g. a can of beer (after drinking the beer, of course...:-) One of half liter (slightly more than 1 pint) could do, I think... Maybe the increased capacity towards ground could make it more effective than a wire 73 Alberto I2PHD P.S. And the entire active antenna circuitry could be placed inside the can... From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (rly-dc10.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.39]) by air-dc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC014-b4b4b3865e031; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 03:01:48 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC107-b4b4b3865e031; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 03:01:38 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPAWY-00047y-M8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 08:00:18 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPAWY-00047p-6L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 08:00:18 +0000 Received: from mx71.mail.ru ([94.100.176.85]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPAWV-0001QF-LM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 08:00:18 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=43641 helo=EFREMOV) by mx71.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NPAWO-0002UE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:00:08 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <004301ca8793$c22753e0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: References: <4B379863.32201.6059F4@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:59:26 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: G3XDV beacon Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA87AC.D25EBFF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA87AC.D25EBFF0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Mike, capture at 02.45. 73 Andrey >I am transmitting 'XDV' on QRSS60 from now until tomorrow morning > (the 28th). The frequency is 136.3198kHz. 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 -------------------------------1260047807-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me09.mx.aol.com (rly-me09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.43]) by air-me09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME091-9d74b2f4ae4373; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 05:16:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME093-9d74b2f4ae4373; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 05:16:05 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMfDA-0000m8-6o for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:09:56 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMfD9-0000lz-QW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:09:55 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMfI8-0001Yp-Pp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:15:06 +0000 Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091221101458.JDKI27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:14:58 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091221101458.EKYU22934.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:14:58 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:14:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B2F4A9E.18930.65980E@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <1261337394.5621.6.camel@gerhard-desktop> References: <4B2E5DDD.19628.1BDFE41@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com>, <1261337394.5621.6.camel@gerhard-desktop> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=fJV0TwpL6sWwCKU6lToA:9 a=55hARDh9iufNBN71OuMA:7 a=GYvdwvkOWAIU8UkjRX8G2a1_cXQA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: test this afternoon Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 The circuiit and notes are at: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mike.dennison/index/lf/timer.htm Please note that this was a junk box project and will need to be changed to suit the components you have available. Mike, G3XDV ========== > I had exactly the same problem with overheating and burned wires a > week ago. So for this reason I would be interested which kind of > "watchdog" you installed. > > Could you please make the schematic public? > > I think many of us have concerns about safety when the TX is on while > we are sleeping. > > 73 > > OE3GHB > > Gerhard > > > > Am Sonntag, den 20.12.2009, 17:24 +0000 schrieb Mike Dennison: > > A successful test this afternoon has proved my new safety timer that > > cuts off the transmitter if it has been sending continuously for > > more than 7 minutes. This gives me more confidence to transmit > > overnight (after a worrying overheating incident a couple of weeks > > ago) and I will run some night-time beacons as soon as the weather > > becomes more reliable - more snow forecast here tonight. > > > > MIke, G3XDV > > ========== > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da09.mx.aol.com (rly-da09.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.83]) by air-da01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA011-a904b22d84914d; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:40:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA098-a904b22d84914d; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:39:55 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJF4S-0003VL-Ue for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:38:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJF4S-0003VC-1j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:38:48 +0000 Received: from mx01.infotech.at ([213.174.240.1]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJF4R-00048U-1J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:38:48 +0000 Received: from [213.174.255.45] by mx01.infotech.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJF4P-0005oo-NU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:38:46 +0100 Message-ID: <4B22D7EF.7070908@inext.at> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:38:23 +0100 From: Oberreiter Oswald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001901ca7ab9$f82c4630$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> In-Reply-To: <001901ca7ab9$f82c4630$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_08=2.435,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: ID of station on 137775.25? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000802050808020601080906" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_COMMENT_8BITS, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_BODY,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --------------000802050808020601080906 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hallo jay thanks fere report was transmiting only my nr 5 5 5 5 5 ... 73 oe5odl ossi jrusgrove@comcast.net schrieb: > Very strong copy of '5' earlier. Curious who this might be. > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------000802050808020601080906 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------010409080807080905060605" --------------010409080807080905060605 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hallo jay thanks fere report  was transmiting only my nr 5 5 5 5 5 ...
73 oe5odl ossi

jrusgrove@comcast.net schrieb:
Very strong copy of '5' earlier. Curious who this might be.

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2


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------=_NextPart_000_0030_01CA8658.F43B2000-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da06.mx.aol.com (rly-da06.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.80]) by air-da01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA013-a724b27722362; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 06:25:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA062-a724b27722362; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 06:25:24 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKVU2-0001hl-QQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:22:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKVU2-0001hc-6p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:22:26 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKVVM-0004YO-H0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:23:50 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A95D7B8048 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:23:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36901F3863 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:23:52 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:24:17 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe References: <4B250D02.733.14E9A34@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20091215112352.36901F3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: AW: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_10136648==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_10136648==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Stefan, >If the "gain" or better said SNR between qrss30=20 >and qrss3 is 10dB, so can I do a QSO to VK with=20 >1W TX Power and an antenna efficiency of 1/1000=20 >if I choose QRSS10000000000? That=92s a litte=20 >jokingly formulated but you know what I mean. In=20 >other words, where are the limitations of this rule? In theory: yes In real world: no There are practical limitations such as: - assuming that a minimal QRSS QSO takes 15=20 minutes at QRS3 it will take 50 minutes at QRS10,=20 150 minutes at QRSS30 ... 600 minutes (=3D 10=20 hours) at QRSS120 and 50000000000 minutes (almost=20 100 centuries), meaning that your=20 grand-grand-grand-grand-...-grand child will have to finish the QSO ;-) - also the frequency stability of TX and RX and=20 dopler effects in the ionosphere will put a limit=20 to the bandwidth and thus to the meaningful dotlength >In CW I think that rule cannot be valid because=20 >a dot in CW (say 20wpm) is much shorter than=20 >0,3s but to my experience the =93gain=94 compared to=20 >qrss3 is not even 10dB. Furthermore a PC must be=20 >seen as a source of QRM, especially when=20 >connected to the antenna system (e.g. for=20 >switching a tx relay with the qrs-programm) and=20 >RX (even when using a insulating transformer for=20 >the AF), and so it always brings a =93negative=20 >gain=94, even when one uses 10s of ferrite cores=85 Tests by DK8KW, W1TAG and others have shown a 10=20 to 15dB difference between QRSS3 and regular CW.=20 Such tests are always a bit subjective (ie.=20 compare a visual signal with a auditive signal),=20 but it more or less confirms the theory. >And: I always thought of the energy "waste" when=20 >applying 1kW (before 6 yrs when I became qrv=20 >with a much worse antenna) to the antenna and=20 >pumping 999,9W into the earth. But when I need=20 >10x the time in qrss30 to do the qso with 100W,=20 >the needed energy is the same (compared to 1kW=20 >in qrss3). So, qsos could be done much faster if=20 >choosing 10x the power and stay in qrss3. The=20 >additional advantage would be, if I try to do a=20 >TA QSO I could just stay in the region of 137.7=20 >and those who are qrv in qrss3 and only watch=20 >the qrss3-sector would get a nice signal and=20 >thus more fascination for the LF-hobby (I often=20 >think about the LWLs watching my transmission=20 >when no one is answering my call ;-)). In sum,=20 >the needed energy (=3Dmoney) is the same but the needed time would be 10x= less. You are right: the energy is the same. But=20 spreading this energy over a longer time has certain advantages: - the more power you run the highter currents you=20 will have (losses in coils) and the higher antenna voltage (arcing, corona= ) - a low power TX is cheaper and easier to build - once you reach the legal 1W ERP limit "going=20 slower" is the only way to improve SNR. Either=20 the simple way (QRSS at longer dotlength) or the=20 more sophisticated way (implementing error correction, cfr. WSPR) >What is the maximum power that is applied to an=20 >antenna yet? What have you heard yet? I have=20 >applied 1kW in a bad antenna (=3D> abt 100mW ERP),=20 >so 10kW would be possible when considering to=20 >stay in the legal limit. 10kW would be possible=20 >since one doesn't need a ferrite core that has=20 >to keep the power (in Class E mode). In USA it=20 >would be even more easy due to the fact that the=20 >110V of the mains could just be rectified. Then=20 >I would take some=20 >STW12NK90Z=20 >in parallel and a=20 >= IXDD414=20 >and try it with 15A antenna current ;-) It should be possible to run a TX directly of the=20 mains (giving about 330V DC). But for 10kW the=20 PSU current would be 33A, requiring something=20 like a 60000uF/450V elco, these large HV elco's=20 cost a fortune (at QRL we recenty had to replace=20 a 4700uF/450V capacitor, it costed over 200 Euro). And for a Class-D / Class-E amp running of 330V a=20 900V power FET might be a bit on the edge for a=20 foolprove TX (but since you are spending a=20 fortune on elco's you can spend some more money on 1.5kV devices ;-) ). I hope I did not spoil the fun. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T=20 --=====================_10136648==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Stefan,

If the "gain" or better said SNR between qrss30 and qrss3 is 10dB, so can I do a QSO to VK with 1W TX Power and an antenna efficiency of 1/1000 if I choose QRSS10000000000? That=92s a litte jokingly formulated but you know what I mean. In other words, where are the limitations of this rule?
In theory: yes
In real world: no
There are practical limitations such as:
- assuming that a minimal QRSS QSO takes 15 minutes at QRS3 it will take 50 minutes at QRS10, 150 minutes at QRSS30 ... 600 minutes (=3D 10 hours) at QRSS120 and 50000000000 minutes (almost 100 centuries), meaning that your grand-grand-grand-grand-...-grand child will have to finish the QSO ;-)
- also the frequency stability of TX and RX and dopler effects in the ionosphere will put a limit to the bandwidth and thus to the meaningful dotlength

In CW I think that rule canno= t be valid because a dot in CW (say 20wpm) is much shorter than 0,3s but to my experience the =93gain=94 compared to qrss3 is not even 10dB. Furthermo= re a PC must be seen as a source of QRM, especially when connected to the antenna system (e.g. for switching a tx relay with the qrs-programm) and RX (even when using a insulating transformer for the AF), and so it always brings a =93negative gain=94, even when one uses 10s of ferrite cores=85  
Tests by DK8KW, W1TAG and others have shown a 10 to 15dB difference between QRSS3 and regular CW. Such tests are always a bit subjective (ie. compare a visual signal with a auditive signal), but it more or less confirms the theory.

And: I always thought of the energy "waste" when applying 1kW (before 6 yrs when I became qrv with a much worse antenna) to the antenna and pumping 999,9W into the earth. But when I need 10x the time in qrss30 to do the qso with 100W, the needed energy is the same (compared to 1kW in qrss3). So, qsos could be done much faster if choosing 10x the power and stay in qrss3. The additional advantage would be, if I try to do a TA QSO I could just stay in the region of 137.7 and those who are qrv in qrss3 and only watch the qrss3-sector would get a nice signal and thus more fascination for the LF-hobby (I often think about the LWLs watching my transmission when no one is answering my call ;-)). In sum, the needed energy (=3Dmoney) is the same but the needed time would be 10x less.
You are right: the energy is the same. But spreading this energy over a longer time has certain advantages:
- the more power you run the highter currents you will have (losses in coils) and the higher antenna voltage (arcing, corona)
- a low power TX is cheaper and easier to build
- once you reach the legal 1W ERP limit "going slower" is the only way to improve SNR. Either the simple way (QRSS at longer dotlength) or the more sophisticated way (implementing error correction, cfr. WSPR)


What is the maximum power tha= t is applied to an antenna yet? What have you heard yet? I have applied 1kW in a bad antenna (=3D> abt 100mW ERP), so 10kW would be possible when considering to stay in the legal limit. 10kW would be possible since one doesn't need a ferrite core that has to keep the power (in Class E mode). In USA it would be even more easy due to the fact that the 110V of the mains could just be rectified. Then I would take some STW12NK90Z in parallel and a IXDD414 and try it with 15A antenna current ;-)
It should be possible to run a TX directly of the mains (giving about 330V DC). But for 10kW the PSU current would be 33A, requiring something like a 60000uF/450V elco, these large HV elco's cost a fortune (at QRL we recenty had to replace a 4700uF/450V capacitor, it costed over 200 Euro).
And for a Class-D / Class-E amp running of 330V a 900V power FET might be a bit on the edge for a foolprove TX (but since you are spending a fortune on elco's you can spend some more money on 1.5kV devices ;-) ).

I hope I did not spoil the fun.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T --=====================_10136648==.ALT-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de03.mx.aol.com (rly-de03.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.139]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE051-4c24b22cccf1a; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:51:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE033-4c24b22cccf1a; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:50:57 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJEJG-0002rl-RE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:50:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJEJG-0002rc-DF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:50:02 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJEJF-0003rV-H0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:50:02 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16C4E4C80C6 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:49:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F7384C8029 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:49:56 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B22CC94.8020404@online.fr> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:49:56 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <88EEC52E6C874CCEB966804D073A3376@White> <57a24ca70912110724l43b18b68t5d2f18849fb14147@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70912110724l43b18b68t5d2f18849fb14147@mail.gmail.com> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Sorry typo ! 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Hi Group
 
   Anyone with experience of this driver= for power fets on 136?
 
 
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=20 --0-1871319016-1261481590=:80267-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (rly-dc03.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.32]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC024-b0e4b3662723d8; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 14:22:44 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC032-b0e4b3662723d8; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 14:22:27 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOcCL-0006qW-BZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:21:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOcCK-0006qN-Ul for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:21:08 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOcCH-00082b-T9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:21:08 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so6249460bwz.4 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:20:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=1nmAbMQsIOkBMPJY9tqiXawPFtJ4csyOPf6g+N4d24o=; b=FZwhiv270KEFsx5JxOXLex9MUQ/6fSLQx4r+FKr+dAi7eEU1qchFozerlsb+5s7iVq MiQB65wlwOliEe5oeriLAq3IjSXKcRAKOf4TUgZwg09hrgcFUybH7NvFeq035swCa6nz yiCujbHqnQaoplNsholdemM4iyhdOOQ6VH0Dw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=FDWt2oVbdLlWkyshDKhE9VJhyxmWjCf+LXnWENW9jCfCBJ80tgNi01cvO9aXhyUDff XUtQ+9XO3JH8QhX4O5cln1yX/2qyqfAwsFL6OBhVWjfFZe/7mfZB+qfX4NpqCxzfxaWx 2U5PCuzJlxwRcDV27O1gHEMgRDkE21u0JYONs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.25.67 with SMTP id y3mr8331074bkb.187.1261855257310; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:20:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <005301ca8657$3db3a2e0$0217aac0@desktop> References: <005301ca8657$3db3a2e0$0217aac0@desktop> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:20:57 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2640912261120u29f6322em76cc2087e3064f57@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: G7NKS running WSPR on 137.65 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555985a5eb5e1047ba692dc X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d277.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555985a5eb5e1047ba692dc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've got family most of the week so limited shack access Jim, but will be able to listen/look for you from next weekend on 136 WSPR. 73s Roger G3XBM 2009/12/26 James Cowburn > Dear LF, > > > > I have reconfigd my ant and vario for 137 in advance of possibly running > some tests of some new kit with G3XIZ later this week but am currently > running a vy QRPppp WSPR system as a pre-test > > > > Thanks in advance for any reports or Argo traces, though I don=92t expec= t > many if any > > With best regards > > > > > > *Jim G7NKS* > > ** > > > --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555985a5eb5e1047ba692dc Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've got family most of the week so limited shack access Jim, but will= be able to listen/look for you from next weekend on 136 WSPR.

73s<= br>Roger G3XBM

2009/12/26 James Cowburn= <james.c= owburn@virgin.net>

Dear LF,

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I have reconfigd my ant and vario for 13= 7 in advance of possibly running some tests of some new kit with G3XIZ later this week but am curre= ntly running a vy QRPppp WSPR system as a pre-test

=A0

Thanks in advance for any reports or Arg= o traces, though I don=92t expect many if any

With best re= gards

=A0

=A0

Jim G7NKS

=A0

=A0




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http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088
--00032555985a5eb5e1047ba692dc-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (rly-dc10.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.39]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC024-b464b27364a3b7; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 02:10:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC102-b464b27364a3b7; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 02:10:04 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKRUv-0006gZ-Qb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:07:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKRUv-0006gQ-Eo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:07:05 +0000 Received: from mailout.toya.net.pl ([217.113.224.27] ident=postfix) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKRWA-0002sQ-4y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:08:24 +0000 Received: from mail.toya.net.pl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21FB420000055 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:08:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (unknown [10.11.152.246]) (Authenticated sender: unimlyn) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 108822000004C for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:08:37 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B2735F3.9050106@toya.net.pl> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:08:35 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?UGlvdHIgTcWCeW5hcnNraQ==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000e01ca7cf8$b02ccc60$6402a8c0@e7010> <4B26C14B.6000602@toya.net.pl> <131FF80960B649FF8AB6BA79FC821050@AGB> In-Reply-To: <131FF80960B649FF8AB6BA79FC821050@AGB> X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG QRSS3// SQ7MPJ Grabber Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070505060006080408070007" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------070505060006080408070007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Graham wrote: > Piotr > > Is this location to be permanent ... if so I can add to :- > > http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/500-khz-grabbers > > Tnx- G .. Hello Graham, Yes, grabber location (JO91RS) as well as its internet address will be kept constant while the frequency area covered will be changed on different occasions. 73, Piotr,sq7mpj qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ --------------070505060006080408070007 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Graham wrote:
Piotr
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Is this=C2=A0 location to=C2=A0 be= =C2=A0 permanent=C2=A0 ... if so=C2=A0 I can add=C2=A0 to=C2=A0 :- =C2=A0
=C2=A0
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Tnx- G ..
Hello Graham,
Yes,=C2=A0 grabber =C2=A0 location=C2=A0 (JO91RS)=C2=A0 as well as its int= ernet address=C2=A0 will be kept constant
=C2=A0while the frequency area=C2=A0 covered=C2=A0 will be changed on diff= erent
occasions.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 73,=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Piotr,sq7= mpj

qth: Lodz /jo91rs/

--------------070505060006080408070007-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df08.mx.aol.com (rly-df08.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.21]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF083-56f4b2113811de; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:28:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF086-56f4b2113811de; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:28:03 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIkv2-00032Y-Kp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:27:04 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIkv2-00032P-3x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:27:04 +0000 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIkv0-0001Fv-2J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:27:04 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgIGAJqhIEtZ8YAC/2dsb2JhbACIcM5IhCsEgWM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,375,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="308519577" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([89.241.128.2]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2009 15:25:19 +0000 Message-ID: <006501ca79ac$fd5bad20$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <135E792448854F708A9745D2BD305468@gmc.net> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:25:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 The Ropex only cost 150 and produced 130watts output. The ropex osc was easy to modify for multi freq and some also modified the osc to VFO. I have a Ropex here and it worked well. It has not been used for years and was only used as a standby rig by me. I got it second hand. 73 mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Mal" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 4:14 PM Subject: LF: Re: TX-2200A > Well, I am not sure that it is a good news, in fact. So far only people that > were able and willing to build their own TX's (Ropex First was not a hit, > was it) were on the band. And the ham-spirit existed on the band. Something > that I loved and admired most. > I am sure some people will invest the money. It will be much easier for them > to get on the band and therefore they will not appreciate the band as we > did. Hopefully no one will start to produce the loading coils as well. At > least something that the newcomers should manage. > > 73, Petr, OK1FIG > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Warren Ziegler" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 4:30 PM > Subject: LF: TX-2200A > > > > Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 > > Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver > > muting. > > Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! > > > > http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf > > > > > > > > 73 Warren K2ORS > > WD2XGJ > > WD2XSH/23 > > WE2XEB/2 > > WE2XGR/1 > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > > signature database 4673 (20091209) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4673 (20091209) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (rly-mb01.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.154]) by air-mb01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB013-ce64b27e00d34c; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:14:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB012-ce64b27e00d34c; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:14:23 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKco7-0000VJ-J8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:11:39 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKco7-0000VA-6Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:11:39 +0000 Received: from mail-ew0-f223.google.com ([209.85.219.223]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKcpu-0005xF-Ro for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:13:32 +0000 Received: by ewy23 with SMTP id 23so206770ewy.4 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:13:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=hUT7/VDjZaOzuERJGP/glOVO++ke3hGqIyp0Isbq2+Y=; b=aTygiaLLlm+lHsTVUl4z0tteiW4aLVJPQrj0itu/PEcTRi+ExGMBk3FSgRIz7CYWqJ oOHpyTpShCtt8CmKXvDOiIe2bCEzQ67jo0pKb0d9W0coARm0TKHv3MrvMEMydO2ODwhn rYAuXmC4nYQ9zxmbFynpc19hycEbSFJ/fqNmk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=NzD0rSb28Df0v3hRRRpyT3ymHKkjmYoVtNymyvVGTQmbcVJC753lXPlmI2HLhlm0D3 L39+N0ZZrHSgcHnEMtQJtI7aQcWUqjVTkX17qkTr6myoYxjUcIbs3NN0wd4YRQdJJPDZ MhfiiXOtn/MkAub0HbH8KPSBjf0hX6Mxoykzo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.2.67 with SMTP id 3mr5604774ebi.77.1260904402820; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:13:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:13:22 +0100 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anton_B=E4rtschi?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174015c0069e18047ac92f4f X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d282.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0015174015c0069e18047ac92f4f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The SM6BHZ Beacon on 600m is 579 here tonight. Not bad for 3W. Why WSPR when CW works fine? What a wonderfull band! 73 de Toni, HB9ASB --0015174015c0069e18047ac92f4f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The SM6BHZ Beacon on 600m is 579 here tonight. Not bad for 3W.
Why WSP= R when CW works fine? What a wonderfull band!
73 de Toni, HB9ASB
The Alaskan receiver is still sitting on 600= m http://www.kl1x.= com/alaska.html =20 and will stay where it is till I get to AK next week.
--0015174015c0069e18047ac92f4f-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df05.mx.aol.com (rly-df05.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.18]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF084-5534b1b434d180; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 00:38:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF058-5534b1b434d180; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 00:38:22 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NH9o2-0002XD-6v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 05:37:14 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NH9o1-0002X4-41 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 05:37:13 +0000 Received: from defout.telus.net ([199.185.220.240]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NH9ny-0006Qo-Pu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 05:37:13 +0000 Received: from edtnaa02.telusplanet.net ([75.157.155.160]) by priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091206053807.IQN703.priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net@edtnaa02.telusplanet.net> for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 22:38:07 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.67] (d75-157-155-160.bchsia.telus.net [75.157.155.160]) by edtnaa02.telusplanet.net (BorderWare Security Platform) with ESMTP id 3B7C80D0E3AD1FE4 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 22:37:06 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <4B1B4301.8090909@telus.net> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 05:37:05 +0000 From: Scott Tilley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: TIL Grabber status... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Gentlemen and Mal I've been tweaking the grabber some more and found that there where some bugs when viewing it with Microsoft IE (which I don't use for this and many other reasons...) Now fixed. Also the DCF39 grabber has entered a stable data gather mode. A weekly animation of the daily plots will now be provided. Anyone interested in raw data should drop me a line off list. Any suggestions? Please let me know... As usual the grabber is running 24/7 in the 2200m watering hole with both a 60sec and 120sec dot screen... 73 Scott VE7TIL CN89dk http://www3.telus.net/sthed/argo/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME032-9cc4b2d0dfa29b; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:31:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME078-9cc4b2d0dfa29b; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:31:39 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NM34Y-0002hE-60 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:26:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NM34X-0002h5-Pz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:26:29 +0000 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.157]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NM37s-0003M4-6Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:29:58 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so885733fga.10 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 09:30:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=T8ixUgJp2gnBBkaZXfDNCPDbSIuhJlO4xjtWMKVFFXA=; b=qnSJXLMeTlJvN24b6/0PJm+e3KJpmPQU18QhpX8LoII+We6hKiXrC+Hx7Ruxe/N8/D 63D1Nv0oLv0Aqf1fC+XQAa3DRs2K/07Wqi9snXlFLNtsA+UAEc05DHFTPbWlnGmd/Y/L Z2DJRTfHuQT931hwUHcY+bCMgWf+jm+/r+ORg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=WTj3x09wOhU4a/gieHkxXGwZt0kuKgHllRIS4ua9fhYWpj1WbeToE6SLyRuVkNdG5u DTkuo3RhjUEYxXNIMYsvMiprwF5RJKIKnudzxhpVPcXa/ED57epljrifd3RTzHU1q5Kb iIW0WKxKvUspY3utqjsrA8tMCRLdviFv4z3pQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.186.199 with SMTP id i7mr538625hbh.102.1261243836492; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 09:30:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <002501ca80cc$2df97f90$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <346854e9698cbf94f4483c66682bb63b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <001e01ca80b0$392cb0b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <002501ca80cc$2df97f90$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:30:36 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d277.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Not true on HF Rx. The UK Navy have used active whips on their ships for many years for HF Receiving - the AVK is a long tried and tested unit. A two-metre long piece of scaffold pole forming the E-Field probe into a wide dynamic range high input-Z, unity voltage-gain buffer amp. Specified for 10kHz tto 50MHz Metal hulled ships do have to advantage of giving a very good ground connection, however, and paying proper attention to decoupling and bonding prevents outside-braid induced interference from gettign anywhere near teh antenna probe. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police > There is no substitute for a real resonant antenna at the working frequency. > G3KEV > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me05.mx.aol.com (rly-me05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.39]) by air-me07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME072-9b54b3874c07a; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 04:05:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME051-9b54b3874c07a; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 04:05:05 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPBW8-0004Np-J4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:03:56 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPBW8-0004Ng-3v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:03:56 +0000 Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.213.6]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPBW6-0001hY-60 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:03:56 +0000 Received: from [172.23.170.142] (helo=anti-virus02-09) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NPBW5-0000A8-14 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:03:53 +0000 Received: from [92.235.33.173] (helo=p4) by asmtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NPBVx-0004IF-Up for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:03:46 +0000 Message-ID: <5263798E332240C3BC686B3164057D2F@p4> From: "Mark" To: References: <80578.2091.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:03:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: WD2XSH/17 decoded in GM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006F_01CA879C.A91ABC30" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01CA879C.A91ABC30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All,=20 3 instances of decodes of WD2XSH on 503.890KHz last night between 01:0= 0 and 03:00z all with bad message tagged, and no /17 appended These of course did not upload, sigs were 2 off -28 dB and 1 off -27dB Several other corrupted calls reported on the same frequency. I was using WSPR1.01, now upgraded to WSPR2 r1714. The change log doe= s not suggest that 1.01 does not handle the suffixes correctly, but I= am hoping that the upgrade will improve things Interestingly the RX noise level indicator says -30dB all the time,= irrespective of the audio level settings, though it displays and deco= des well enough. Soundcard setup is non-standard here, RX is softrock, processed by Spe= clab (which also provides the grabber see www.dc2light.co.uk for a li= nk) Audio Output from Speclab is filtered, frequency shifted and then= passed to the WSPR software. Pleased to copy the WD2XSH/17 on the tiny mag loop antenna, which is= aligned roughly E-W and therfore has a null towards the USA Hopefully future spots will reach the database. Hope all have a happy and prosperous 2010 Mark GM4ISM IO85AR ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01CA879C.A91ABC30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All,
3 instances of decodes of WD2XSH=20 on 503.890KHz last night between 01:00 and 03:00z all with bad= message=20 tagged, and no /17 appended
These of course did not upload, sigs= were 2 off -28=20 dB and 1 off -27dB
Several other corrupted calls reporte= d on the same=20 frequency.
 
I was using WSPR1.01, now upgraded to= WSPR2 =20 r1714. The change log does not suggest that 1.01 does not handle the= suffixes=20 correctly, but I am hoping that the upgrade will improve things=
 Interestingly the RX noise leve= l indicator=20 says -30dB all the time, irrespective of the audio level settings, tho= ugh it=20 displays and decodes well enough.
Soundcard setup is non-standard here,= RX is=20 softrock, processed by Speclab (which also provides the grabber = see www.dc2light.co.uk fo= r a link) Audio Output=20 from Speclab is filtered, frequency shifted and then passed to the WSP= R=20 software.
 
Pleased to copy the WD2XSH/17 on= the tiny mag=20 loop antenna, which is aligned roughly E-W and therfore has a null tow= ards the=20 USA
Hopefully future spots will reach the= =20 database.
Hope all have a happy and prosperous= =20 2010
Mark GM4ISM IO85AR
------=_NextPart_000_006F_01CA879C.A91ABC30-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da03.mx.aol.com (rly-da03.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.77]) by air-da08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA083-a604b18be6126e; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 02:46:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA038-a604b18be6126e; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 02:46:43 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGSqu-0005aW-Ml for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 07:45:20 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGSqu-0005aN-3z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 07:45:20 +0000 Received: from pne-smtpout2-sn1.fre.skanova.net ([81.228.11.159]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGSqs-0003Ld-B2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 07:45:20 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (81.235.167.68) by pne-smtpout2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (7.3.140.3) (authenticated as u33233109) id 4AE177E2005B1C60 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 08:45:12 +0100 Message-ID: <4B18BE10.9090208@telia.com> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 08:45:20 +0100 From: "Johan H. Bodin" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB1C@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB1C@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AW: [Fwd: Extra transmission with SAQ Dec 10 2009] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) I'm sorry but I didn't do the spelling - I simply forwarded the message=20 I got from SAQ. 73 Johan SM6LKM Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > The german physicist is called Karl Ferdinand Braun=20 > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Ferdinand_Braun )! >> The reason for the extra transmission is a centenary commemoration of= =20 >> the Nobel Prize given to Guglielmo Marconi and Karl Ferdinand Brown. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me03.mx.aol.com (rly-me03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.36]) by air-me07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME071-9a84b1b87c4239; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 05:30:37 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME034-9a84b1b87c4239; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 05:30:29 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHEN4-0003bs-Jo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:29:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHEN4-0003bj-8Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:29:42 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHEN3-0005np-NI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:29:42 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtsFAP4VG0tZ8fGL/2dsb2JhbACODgbGbYI6gXkE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,349,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="286001677" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([89.241.241.139]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 06 Dec 2009 10:29:14 +0000 Message-ID: <002801ca765e$f543b8e0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:29:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500 pirate Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01CA765E.F50CF170" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01CA765E.F50CF170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some G7 stn calling me in Beacon mode giving me 557 report and Loc.= Could be a Pirate, unusual procedure. G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01CA765E.F50CF170 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Some G7 stn calling me in Beacon = ; mode giving=20 me 557 report and Loc. Could be a Pirate, unusual procedure.
G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_0025_01CA765E.F50CF170-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df03.mx.aol.com (rly-df03.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.16]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF072-53e4b1698ce29b; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:42:08 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF037-53e4b1698ce29b; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:41:52 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFsFs-0005CO-V7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:40:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFsFs-0005CF-Aq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:40:40 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFsFr-00077e-Bi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:40:40 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 965302ACF19 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:40:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps02.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.138] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.58V) with ESMTP id XID109NLBqOG8032X01; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:40:32 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.138 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps02.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID109NLBqOG8032X01 Received: from [192.168.1.4] [151.47.216.216] by cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 496NLBqOd9872M38; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:40:29 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.216.216 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.4] Message-ID: <4B16987B.9000002@usa.net> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:40:27 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID496NLBqOE9872X38 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer wrote: >=20 > My Conclusion: It seems that a short receiving antenna can bee seen as= a=20 > capacitive divider out of the capacity between far field and antenna and= =20 > the capacity between antenna and ground. If the wire length is to much,= =20 > the input stage becomes nonlinear/goes into saturation. If the height=20 > above ground is increased the signal comes up, but not the signal/noise= =20 > ratio(surely there will be a benefit if such an antenna is placed in a= =20 > region with heavy local qrm. Then, the height should be increased and=20 > the wire length can be decreased). So, one cannot say =E2=80=9Cthe more= the=20 > better=E2=80=9D talking about the wire length! It would be quite interesting if somebody could try to use, instead of a= wire, something with a greater capacity towards ground, e.g. a can of beer (after drinking= the beer, of course...:-) One of half liter (slightly more than 1 pint) could do, I think... Maybe the increased capacity towards ground could make it more effective= than a wire 73 Alberto I2PHD P.S. And the entire active antenna circuitry could be placed inside the ca= n... From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me04.mx.aol.com (rly-me04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.38]) by air-me07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME072-9ae4b2f951c23e; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:32:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME042-9ae4b2f951c23e; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:32:46 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMk9V-000278-TM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:26:29 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMk9V-00026z-H0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:26:29 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMkEc-0003kz-Kq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:31:48 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBLFViFX015364 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:31:45 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:31:44 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:31:44 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACED@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: Some signals this evening? Thread-Index: AcqA0XalXqbEYzrTRKG3BklGU7vUMABgJMrw From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.637;21.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.21.151526 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: LF: Some signals this evening? X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear LF,=20 I will do some RX tests out in the field, starting in about 30 minutes. Wi= ll there be some activity? That would be nice! I will listen in CW and QRS= S3. I will test until my feet are not to cold ;-) Hope for the best SNR I= have ever heard/seen ;-) Best 73! Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me04.mx.aol.com (rly-me04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.38]) by air-me10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME104-9b04b2df4a7ea; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 04:56:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME044-9b04b2df4a7ea; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 04:55:53 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMIQP-0006Ro-Am for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 09:50:05 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMIQO-0006Rf-TX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 09:50:04 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMIUo-00011T-IC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 09:54:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 23429 invoked by uid 507); 20 Dec 2009 10:54:22 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2009 10:54:22 +0100 Message-ID: <200912201054240958.2B66A409@smtp2.numeo.fr> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 10:54:24 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: F6BWO 339 by ear on hand speed CW on 137 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Two others detected but not readable at 0950z. F5VLF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma05.mx.aol.com (rly-ma05.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.49]) by air-ma05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA052-8a74b16873af4; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 10:26:59 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA051-8a74b16873af4; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 10:26:51 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFr4x-0004Lw-LP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:25:19 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFr4x-0004Ln-46 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:25:19 +0000 Received: from smtp820.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.189.247]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFr4v-0005ZJ-PX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:25:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 30324 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2009 15:25:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=bhxbs6p9ZvBRAFxEnXRUxPwJvswaJFmnjgjo9IfrKADMaDXq66yxsUW11rTfFcgdDsKxpiO72usi/I+KNZzhswt1yGNB61L1eDzOr6K12clCc65l0UcWizAwwnazDRwCE+fZNJY6ObZwFsP7Kcyie1OpvdeIqTEvn7umswY5QP0= ; Received: from unknown (HELO IBM7FFA209F07C) (c.ashby435@81.135.138.168 with login) by smtp820.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 15:25:12 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9STUSnaswBBSd6nO_2gAC20jmYlWRjmg8d5iYd8s.rl181aR6Sw- X-YMail-OSG: yBt.3KUVM1mpoq.j7X2yONMZ419rci_590.H2bV54HFiPhdIiF2wE6aFdB4xLTjeQqR7o89UutyRWBMSuKAPijxcFXYGC2pqQqI7lxtHyuYvLkPO2TnON9DTxO_pdxe2UnwPG0faZRVdQM0qkdeVXBRfvkI31JP4oyUMyiRb9Z2y2zPOF1sXGDJvvga6Qw04fpk_uzOK_rKrkfDmoDwPPA04avkLVzjow76hscZ4ywrzODtvT1yWwmy4rc9JsvfdQMK_N.PhwPpFqga7Ib_f80YKoQhA0wsjKwHY X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <2FF5BE0915484B3EB86B7B946032FA80@IBM7FFA209F07C> From: "Chris" To: "RSGB LF Group" Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:25:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: G3XDV Test or Beacon Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01CA7363.A4964AF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.3 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CA7363.A4964AF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mike, G3XDV, Are you planning any tests or beaconing this evening? Three of us foun= d your signal last evening most useful for comparitive equipment and= antenna set ups. We would all like you to do it again! It's not often= we get such a reliable, consistent and strong signal for such puposes= . Thanks. Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CA7363.A4964AF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Mike, G3XDV,
Are you planning any tests or beaconi= ng this=20 evening? Three of us found your signal last evening most useful for co= mparitive=20 equipment and antenna set ups. We would all like you to do it again!= It's not=20 often we get such a reliable, consistent and strong= signal for=20 such puposes.
Thanks.
Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable,=20 Kent.
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CA7363.A4964AF0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md04.mx.aol.com (rly-md04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.142]) by air-md02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD023-8fb4b1ab44322d; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 14:28:22 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD043-8fb4b1ab44322d; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 14:28:04 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NH0HY-0007Z9-J3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 19:27:04 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NH0HY-0007Z0-4t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 19:27:04 +0000 Received: from smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NH0HW-0006JS-Al for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 19:27:04 +0000 Received: from bb-87-82-1-60.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.1.60] helo=[192.168.0.3]) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NH0HV-0001dv-V9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 19:27:02 +0000 Message-ID: <4B1AB45C.8080403@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 19:28:28 +0000 From: Peter Dodd User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <1259777260.4b16acec27aa8@imp.netikka.net> <4B179D08.3030706@ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: reducing common-mode noise Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Roelof, I used a similar one for a multiband dipole for the upper HF frequency bands but I don't think they would work for LF. Regards Peter, G3LDO > > Have you also been looking into the performance of bifiliar wound > common mode chokes, e.g. 15 turns on the popular FT-37-43 Amidon > ferrite toroid? > > These come in handy for receiver applications. > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df06.mx.aol.com (rly-df06.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.19]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF022-55c4b1d1516381; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:45:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF067-55c4b1d1516381; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:45:44 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHep8-0001da-EW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:44:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHep8-0001dR-2O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:44:26 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate04.web.de ([217.72.192.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHep7-00051Y-6Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:44:26 +0000 Received: from web.de by fmmailgate04.web.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 23B19622CD31 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:44:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from [84.63.121.134] by freemailng2503.web.de with HTTP; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:44:17 +0100 Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:44:17 +0100 Message-Id: <1523739247@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?iso-8859-15?Q?Horst_St=F6cker?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-Provags-Id: V01U2FsdGVkX1/QVNJUtsC2Pp864OGNBOjB4X9YmG5Uq8QDr9TVS89W9pIvK Rwv3hSFCTQByk+Jr4LNVYx8jQ5bGTXOixHoau6UyCs/BMLmfWy796ZszKBem g== X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Correct test time Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) As I wrote before: The flyer says from 9.12. 23 UTC to 10.12. 1 UTC. Horst > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: "Chris" > Gesendet: 07.12.09 14:28:16 > An: "RSGB LF Group" > Betreff: LF: Correct test time Hi All, > Re: Test DDH47 147.3 QRSS3. > This has now got VERY confusing. Is the transmission one hour UTC=20 > either side of midnight 9th into 10th, or one hour UTC either side of=20 > midnight 10th into 11th December? > Incidentally, my first message along these lines got a failure notice, > it said "This message scored 4.5 spam points - rejected". No comment=20 > necessary! >=20 > Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent. ___________________________________________________________ Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.!=20 http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME024-9c94b16a5c8175; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:37:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME075-9c94b16a5c8175; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:37:14 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFt7m-00060x-6F for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:36:22 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFt7l-00060n-EO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:36:21 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFt7k-0006gV-ED for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:36:21 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 278B92ACEDE for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:36:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps03.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.132] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.58V) with ESMTP id XID757NLBRKo2976X01; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:36:14 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.132 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps03.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID757NLBRKo2976X01 Received: from [192.168.1.4] [151.47.216.216] by cmsapps03.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 940NLBRKL7840M39; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:36:11 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.216.216 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.4] Message-ID: <4B16A588.4020408@usa.net> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:36:08 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <9afca2640912020929k28ed644dl8f58ace35432e49@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9afca2640912020929k28ed644dl8f58ace35432e49@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID940NLBRKm7840X39 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz WSPR (last time before trying 136kHz WSPR) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Roger Lapthorn wrote: > This evening I'm TXing on 500kHz WSPR (1mW ERP) and would appreciate > reports. Dial frequency ? UTC time of start and end ? 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf10.mx.aol.com (rly-mf10.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.180]) by air-mf09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF091-98a4b2956843b8; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:52:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF108-98a4b2956843b8; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:52:05 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NL1ji-0001p4-Q6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:48:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NL1ji-0001ov-8g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:48:46 +0000 Received: from n16.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NL1lk-0007l4-8s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:50:52 +0000 Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n16.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2009 21:51:09 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.243] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2009 21:51:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp404.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2009 21:51:09 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 411467.91694.bm@omp404.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 48327 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2009 21:51:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=oh7R8Y8kyPH55MWiDsjlnSUj5Cwd0Npypo9vP8RD490FOrWJWUDHO4gC/eJqVqyRLtBGPIZjfUElbYN0DL+P6ICOEoQTVdQQrCn99N5msapSGCm6PIVgsciybKcCPM12MvLItb5DWFhWufAj74AU6cE3sRIwI7wJPPtoZ68G11E= ; Received: from host86-151-140-44.range86-151.btcentralplus.com (ken.h.wright@86.151.140.44 with login) by smtp139.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2009 13:51:08 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9Y6mUHuswBAgnrOsukIiNdFDf95uy_Dz34nY1hlg2liKgYD952sjbg-- X-YMail-OSG: aPqHwHoVM1mSfz2ZGFGr8zp8f0vQEpbpd9tHFcObDkoAWx2e5nAM6PACgruwlG3Fk7keojJbY1mekcTyBl9npd1ZL9SK6ryjd9BQZVIUum5ssKQBd4UP5DGpN2uytqMmH6T0hLKzVXQU2YpNKv.JDnluJUKM2aiVPolNGeqZobPrdBgRZ4IOMnWwzc1W8IHD6_a9U7wL5RIBVtAA3.sPiqpYnWwKlYQOqdIXzD7Em751aNERvH7JOWSG184YwmrVciWwLPKsUEbHrtvoaDI9D.AfwbF2BxE6.Tpl59fBPBqHrHWm8eoMkdBsyUHOx.uE8GRp X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <59A1DD423A544FFE876064F19CF6F50D@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <572685.58103.qm@web86501.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:51:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Alan. Phantom circuits are also very useful for signalling, if you use transformers at each end with two balanced windings connected via a capacitor you have many combinations of switching and signalling, which we used in the old Post Office days. You can also graduate to the relms of double phantoms for music circiuts etc. 73s Ken M0KHW ----- Original Message ----- From: "ALAN MELIA" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 8:37 PM Subject: Re: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Hi Stephan, well if you are running an optic cable why not run power as well. It should be relatively easy to keep the pick out of the power rail. If you are worreied about pick up on the power rails use a rechargable battery and just use the power feed when you are not receiving for recharging the battery. Coax is not always the answer, and the old fashioned method of balanced pairs is often more effective, If you use a centre-tapped transformer at each end you can even feed the power down the "phanton circuit". My old affiliation to a telephone company is showing :-)) Alan G3NYK --- On Wed, 16/12/09, Stefan Schäfer wrote: > From: Stefan Schäfer > Subject: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Wednesday, 16 December, 2009, 16:51 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lowfers, > > > I > want to > start a new subject (for me it's > new)... > > The > last weeks > I still had RX problems, either with the tx antenna or with > the short E-flied RX > antenna. > > I > found out > that the noise was/is generated by my notebook which made > RXing difficult, even > in regions without any else local QRM (what could almost > bring me to shut down > the PC and just do nice and easy CW QSOs without anything > else! (but most > traffic is in QRSS...)). > > Then > I have > done mni tests with many many ferrite cores (that I found > in an older emc lab > in our institute), e.g. 20x FT50-77 plus 20x FT50-43 plus > 20x FT50-61 and e few > others. I placed them all in series, partly in the near of > the preamp and/or in > the near of the RX. Sure, there was a significant reduction > of noise but lastly > the noise remains. > > Accidentally, > during a test with my VFO connected to the same 12V supply > of my preamp, I observed > a strong line in the argo monitor EVEN without an antenna > (short wire) > connected to the VFO and when turned the amplitude to zero! > That meant for me, the > VFO and its supply is not suppressed enough and so some RF > comes to the preamp > by the coax and supply line! (the preamp is supplied by a > battery). I thought, I > can use this (normally unwanted) coupling path to test the > blocking capability > of the ferrite cores and so I tried it with all variations > and later with an > additional BIG ferrite core and many turns of RG174. As I > meant, surely there > is a significant noise reduction but the line in argo was > still well visible! > > What > I have > done then (since 4 days) is using a coupling link by an > optic transmission of > the 137kHz signal between the preamp and my RX using a SFH750V > as the TX Diode and a SFH350 > as the RX and abt 20m of a fiber optic cable (yes, there > are surely more suited > components but these were available in the moment). These > are also used as > optic links into high end audio systems and therefore easy > to get... > > Now, > when > placing the preamp on the same place then during the tests > before and just > changing the coax by the fiber optic cable, the line by the > VFO was completely > gone!! Just with an antenna connected to the VFO and high > amplitude (and thus e > real near-field “connection”) it came back. The > overall noise level > decreased to its absolute minimum during all the tests. > > > Before > I used > this optic cable the only signal that could be received > (out of the city with > much much qrm) was DCF39 and DLF and so on. Now, DCF39 came > out with much > better SNR and I saw the first LF Stn at all, it was Ossi / > OE5ODL transmitting > his 5s in the evening (tnx! very nice SNR in QRSS3 > mode). > > My > conclusion > is, that the qrm is always brought to the very sensitive > E-field antenna by the > coax, even when doing many usual suppression methods cause > there always remains > a residual coupling impedance between both sides of the > cable. Furthermore a > long coax cable, say 20m away from the shack carries some > qrm to the near of > the rx antenna so the effective distance to the shack is > always reduced. > > One > small disadvantage > of this method is the need for a battery supply. My TX > diode needs abt 20mA and > is now working since 3 days with a 7AH Lead Acid battery. > In the future I plan > to use a stereo optic cable. Then, one could switch the > preamp on and off by > the seconds line doing it the opposite way. So, smaller > batteries could be > used, which is necessary when mounting the preamp to a > shaky fiber mast if one > does not want to change the batteries each few hours > ;-) > > Signal > distortion seems to be no problem, as I can confirm until > now. > > Now, > my K2 has > an optical LF input! ;-) > > Perhaps > this > will give some ideas to the local qrm bothered stns who > tried everything with > ferrite cores, isolating transformers and so on without a > satisfying result. > > NOTE: I do not know if anyone has tried > this before and has > written a publication about that. My goal is not > to be the hero in inventions, to become popular and > especially not to compete with > anyone (like it seems > to be usual in career/job to be the one who gets the pay > rise) but just to > share my ideas to those who are interested to try something > new (?). I do not > say that my solution is the best at all and so on! But, if > it will help only > one Lowfer getting new ideas and improving his station, and > if this improvement > results in more activity on the band, then it would have > helped all of us! > > > > > > 73s > es 55 de > Stefan / DK7FC > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (rly-dg11.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.95]) by air-dg08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG084-6074b2d7f5b3a1; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 20:35:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG118-6074b2d7f5b3a1; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 20:35:25 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMAcD-0004Rg-B6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 01:29:45 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMAcC-0004RX-FK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 01:29:44 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s7.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.18]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMAgQ-000804-1o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 01:34:07 +0000 Received: from BLU146-W20 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s7.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:33:58 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [218.67.241.10] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:33:58 -0900 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4B2CDA00.6080504@att.net> References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <346854e9698cbf94f4483c66682bb63b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> ,<4B2CDA00.6080504@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2009 01:33:58.0443 (UTC) FILETIME=[803F1FB0:01CA8114] X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_17ba67a4-c08f-42fb-91bb-10d70bad56d0_" Subject: LF: E thingies X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=CELL_PHONE_BOOST, FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_17ba67a4-c08f-42fb-91bb-10d70bad56d0_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable James/Dex et al - Good morning - I concur with the findings on the eprobe= on the roof of the car. My mobile efforts tend to be was mounted on a tri= magnet mag mount and a short stub mast of about 12 inches to which the pro= be is attached. The coax (about 12ft total length) routed directly into= the car across the roof, but bonded to the rear passenger door frame wher= e it enters. This bond must be short and low reactance to stop the in car= noises getting up the coax to/close to the antennae. Makes big odds as yo= u go HF. =20 Got to say even with this very small effective height it worked well enoug= h on 137/500, but very dependant on the type of car, the bonding and curre= nts flowing out/in/capacitance to real ground.... =20 =20 I have a feeling Ill be resurrecting the system in Oklahoma to pass the ev= enings away... =20 For the house PA0RDT - I shove a Hi Z at LF common mode choke on the coax= outer (30T on J material or maybe it maybe a bit more lossy stuff ) just= one meter back from the eprobe, same at the other end of the coax just be= fore its bonded down to the door frame/balcony/rebar reinforcing. At the= receive end its galvanically decoupled with a 4T:4T type 77 small toroid= - good and flat till 15Mhz=20 =20 Now, how long it the antennae? Bonding still reduces the noise so there= must be small leakage from the coax past the upper choke - probably capac= itive coupling...it doesnt take much.=20 =20 Again good noise free bonding (if your lucky and get the right spot) can= and has given up to 50dB of noise reduction without it. Sometime less of= course. The BY3A apartment balcony was bonded back to the building rebar= and gave around 40dB improvement signal/noise on 137, but only had a very= small, maybe a dB increase in signal level. =20 Ive come to a conclusion to mount the probe away from the source of noises= and "dumping" of the E field. In my case I get the probe as high and away= so tend to have a 11m pole at around 45 degrees away from the building ov= er the side - in some cases I prefer to do that (s/n wise) than mounting= it 11m in the middle of an apartment roof. Ill always try to locate it= on a corner and away from the building with as much clearance to the "re= al" ground for the greatest clear space angle. I cant help walking around= towns now and view the skyline and each building and visualise how the LF= E field signal is disrupted close in by these new high rises that now dom= inate some skylines. =20 Laurence KL 1 X Enroute home. =20 > Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:49:52 -0500 > From: dmcintyre@att.net > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX sign= als >=20 > James Moritz wrote: >=20 > > I think the role of the ground with active whips is often neglected -= =20 > > the output of the whip preamp is the voltage differential between the= =20 > > whip element and the circuit ground, so the ground connection is just= as=20 > > much part of the antenna as the whip element itself is. Clearly, an=20 > > electrically quiet ground is needed for the active whip, whether this= is=20 > > provided by the coax feeder or a separate local ground connection. >=20 > Years ago I built a simple MPF-102 active whip into a gutted VHF coil en= closure=20 > of a NMO mobile antenna. I quickly noticed the antenna performed much be= tter=20 > when mounted on a vehicle roof than when mounted on a mast. Even when th= e whip=20 > was elevated up to 10 meters above the vehicle the roof mount received= much better. >=20 > As for the optical link, I attempted to link a remote VLF-3 by IR back= to the=20 > shack. I never got that to work very well but I feel sure someone that= knows=20 > what they are doing could perfect it. >=20 > Dex >=20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/=3D --_17ba67a4-c08f-42fb-91bb-10d70bad56d0_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable James/Dex et al - Good morning  - I concur with the findings on= the eprobe on the roof of the car. My mobile efforts tend to be= was mounted on a trimagnet mag mount and a short stub mast of about= 12 inches to which the probe is attached. The coax  (about= 12ft total length)  routed directly into the car across the roo= f, but bonded to the rear passenger door frame where it enters. This= bond must be short and low reactance to stop the in car noises getting up= the coax to/close to the antennae. Makes big odds as you go HF.
 
Got to say even with this very small effective height it worked well= enough on 137/500, but very dependant on the type of car, the bonding and= currents flowing out/in/capacitance to real ground....    =
 
I have a feeling Ill be resurrecting the system in Oklahoma to pass the ev= enings away...
 
For the house  PA0RDT - I shove a Hi Z at LF common mode choke on the= coax outer  (30T on J material or maybe it maybe a bi= t more lossy stuff ) just one meter back from the eprobe, same= at the other end of the coax just before its bonded down to the door fram= e/balcony/rebar reinforcing. At the receive end its galvanically deco= upled with a 4T:4T type 77 small toroid - good and flat till 15M= hz
 
Now, how long it the antennae?  Bonding still reduces the n= oise so there must be small leakage from the coax past the upper chok= e - probably capacitive coupling...it doesnt take much. 
 
Again good noise free bonding (if your lucky and get the right spot) can= and has given up to 50dB of noise reduction without it. Sometime less of= course.  The BY3A apartment balcony was bonded back to the building= rebar and gave around 40dB improvement signal/noise on 137, but only had= a very small, maybe a dB increase in signal level.
 
Ive come to a conclusion to mount the probe away from the source of noises= and "dumping" of the E field. In my case I get the probe as high and away= so tend to have a 11m pole at around 45 degrees away from the building ov= er the side - in some cases I prefer to do that (s/n wise) than mounting= it 11m in the middle of an apartment  roof.   Ill always&n= bsp;try to locate it on a corner and away from the  building&nbs= p;with as much clearance to the "real" ground for the greatest clear space= angle. I cant help walking around towns now and view the skyline and each= building and visualise how the LF E field signal is disrupted close= in by these new high rises that now dominate some skylines.
 
Laurence KL 1 X
Enroute home.

 
> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:49:52 -0500
> From: dmc= intyre@att.net
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject:= Re: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals
>= ;
> James Moritz wrote:
>
> > I think the role of= the ground with active whips is often neglected -
> > the outpu= t of the whip preamp is the voltage differential between the
> >= whip element and the circuit ground, so the ground connection is just as=
> > much part of the antenna as the whip element itself is. Cle= arly, an
> > electrically quiet ground is needed for the active= whip, whether this is
> > provided by the coax feeder or a sepa= rate local ground connection.
>
> Years ago I built a simple= MPF-102 active whip into a gutted VHF coil enclosure
> of a NMO mo= bile antenna. I quickly noticed the antenna performed much better
>= when mounted on a vehicle roof than when mounted on a mast. Even when the= whip
> was elevated up to 10 meters above the vehicle the roof mou= nt received much better.
>
> As for the optical link, I attem= pted to link a remote VLF-3 by IR back to the
> shack. I never got= that to work very well but I feel sure someone that knows
> what= they are doing could perfect it.
>
> Dex
>
=
Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email servic= e. Get it now. =3D --_17ba67a4-c08f-42fb-91bb-10d70bad56d0_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de02.mx.aol.com (rly-de02.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.138]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE012-4b84b1835f3360; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:04:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE023-4b84b1835f3360; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:04:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGJlc-0004RK-Mv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:03:16 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGJlb-0004RB-Mq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:03:15 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGJlZ-0000PH-KE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:03:15 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A1782AD4FD for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 22:03:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps04.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.133] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.58V) with ESMTP id XID768NLcwDH3456X01; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:03:07 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.133 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps04.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID768NLcwDH3456X01 Received: from [192.168.1.4] [151.47.214.95] by cmsapps04.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 099NLcwDD3072M40; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:03:04 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.214.95 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.4] Message-ID: <4B183595.5060800@usa.net> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:03:01 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B16987B.9000002@usa.net> <4B179DE6.3050608@usa.net> <20091203194531.or926chzk844g4k8@webmail6.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20091203194531.or926chzk844g4k8@webmail6.kuleuven.be> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID099NLcwDe3072X40 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Rik Strobbe wrote: > Roelof, > > I cannot agree, a Belgian beer can will provide at least 10dB better SNR ;-) I tend to agree with Rik, the best beers I ever drank were those in La Grande Place in Bruxelles, many years ago, when I was there for QRL. I remember a three-story building facing directly the Place, where you could taste all kind of Trappiste beers... I spent there many evenings... though I did not think to perform a measurement in dBs of the SNR with respect to beers coming from the Amstel river :-) 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (rly-dg03.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.87]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG054-5b74b26ceae2af; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:48:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG038-5b74b26ceae2af; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:47:59 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKKbV-0001ii-H1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:45:25 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKKbU-0001iZ-Pc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:45:24 +0000 Received: from smtp6.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.190]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKKcp-0006am-1f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:46:49 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3628.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2072A7000096 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:46:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3628.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1342A7000097 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:46:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.40.94]) by mwinf3628.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 7A7B87000096 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:46:31 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20091214234631501.7A7B87000096@mwinf3628.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <131FF80960B649FF8AB6BA79FC821050@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <000e01ca7cf8$b02ccc60$6402a8c0@e7010> <4B26C14B.6000602@toya.net.pl> In-Reply-To: <4B26C14B.6000602@toya.net.pl> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:46:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG QRSS3// SQ7MPJ Grabber Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01CA7D17.A8E39F50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01CA7D17.A8E39F50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Piotr Is this location to be permanent ... if so I can add to :- =20 http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/500-khz-grabbers Tnx- G .. From: Piotr M=C5=82ynarski=20 Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 10:50 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG QRSS3// SQ7MPJ Grabber Walter und Marianne Staubach wrote:=20 Dear MF, DI2AG beacon is on air in QRSS3 505.090KHz, but only 0.4W= ERP as usual, as QRO affects my telefone. Sri. 73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF Dear Walter, Lubos, LF Group Recently i managed to launch a simple grabber. It does require so= me improvements, which i hope, will be done in a forthcoming future. At this moment= it covers 505 kHz area so DI2AG and OK0EMW should be visible . I will keep it running til= l 2330-2400 UTC this evening=20 it is placed at: http://www.toya.net.pl/~mlynarski/=20 Please, note that the time displayed on "Argo" screen is a local one= so one hour must be substracted to get UTC. I will try to switch it on at nearest weekend or upon request = Yours, Piotr , sq7mpj qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ = =20 = =20 ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01CA7D17.A8E39F50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Piotr
 
Is this  location to  be&nb= sp;=20 permanent  ... if so  I can add  to  :-  
 
 
Tnx- G ..
 

Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG QRSS3// SQ7MPJ Grabber
<= /DIV>

Walter und Marianne Staubach wrote:=20
Dear MF,
      = ;  =20 DI2AG beacon is on air in QRSS3 505.090KHz, but only 0.4W ERP as usu= al, as QRO=20 affects my telefone. Sri.
73   Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF=
 
Dear Walter, Lubos, LF Group
Recent= ly =20 i  managed to launch  a simple  grabber.  It does= require=20 some improvements,
  which i hope, will be done in a forthcomi= ng future.=20 At this moment  it covers 505 kHz area
 so DI2AG and = ; OK0EMW=20 should be visible . I will keep  it  running till 2330-2400= UTC this=20 evening
it  is placed at:   http://www.toy= a.net.pl/~mlynarski/=20
Please, note that the time displayed   on "Argo" screen= is a local=20 one so  one hour must be substracted  to get  UTC.
I= will try=20 to switch it on   at nearest weekend  or upon=20 request

         &= nbsp;           = ;           &nb= sp;           &= nbsp;           = ;           &nb= sp;           &= nbsp;=20 Yours, Piotr , sq7mpj

qth: Lodz=20 /jo91rs/
         &nbs= p;           &n= bsp;           =            &nbs= p;           &n= bsp;           =            &nbs= p;         =20
           =            &nbs= p;           &n= bsp;           =            &nbs= p;           &n= bsp;=20


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LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29866 KHz ( QRSS-60 ) Coordinates: N: 35* 43' 54" - W: 84* 3' 16" http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr http://webpages.charter.net/ku4xr/ --- On Wed, 12/16/09, Thomas F. Giella NZ4O wrote: > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o4.htm > > Sunspot group #11035 near N30W13 has grown into the largest > (seven times larger than the Earth) and most magnetically complex > (beta-gamma) sunspot group of solar cycle 24. At 0102 UTC the sunspot > group released a small C5.3 solar flare, the largest solar flare of > Solar cycle 24. More small C class solar flares are possible, with a > chance for an isolated medium size M class solar flare. > > #11035 also produced the first partially geoeffective (Earth facing) > coronal mass ejection (CME) of solar cycle 24. The CME will arrive > at Earth in a approximately two days and could spark a geomagnetic > storm and visible aurora. Another geoeffective CME is possible, with an > associated sudden ionosphere disturbance (SID) and shortwave fadeout > > The sunspot count is 38 which is the highest of solar cycle 24. The > solar flux index is 82 which is tied for the highest SFI of solar > Cycle 24. With the increased sunspot count we should see improved > propagation conditions on 15 and 12 meters. > > 73, GUD DX, Merry X-mas & Happy New Year, > Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O > Lakeland, FL, USA > nz4o@arrl.net > eList Owner/Moderator > John 3:16 <>< > > COL LF/MF/HF/VHF/UHF Frequency Radiowave Propagation Email > Reflector: > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/spaceweather > NZ4O Daily Solar Space Weather & Geomagnetic Data > Archive: > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o1.htm > NZ4O Solar Space Weather & Geomagnetic Data In Graphic > & Image Format: > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o2.htm > NZ4O Daily LF/MF/HF/6M Frequency Radiowave Propagation > Forecast & Archive: > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o3.htm > NZ4O Solar Cycle 24 Forecast Discussion & Archive: > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o4.htm > NZ4O 160 Meter Radio Propagation Theory Notes: > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o5.htm > NZ4O Solar Space Weather & Geomagnetic Raw Forecast > Data Links: > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o6.htm > Harmful Man Induced Climate Change (Global Warming) > Refuted: > http://www.wcflunatall.com/globalwarminglie.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > Spaceweather mailing list > Spaceweather@contesting.com > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/spaceweather > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da07.mx.aol.com (rly-da07.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.81]) by air-da10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA101-a7b4b1a412418e; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 06:16:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA073-a7b4b1a412418e; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 06:16:54 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGsc6-00060q-KM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 11:15:46 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGsc6-00060h-4d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 11:15:46 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.25]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGsc4-0004Dp-4i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 11:15:46 +0000 Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl (dovemail15.xs4all.nl [194.109.26.17]) by smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nB5BFcsN024968 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 12:15:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Received: from 82.161.81.65 (SquirrelMail authenticated user pa0rdt) by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 12:15:43 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4AABF465BDAF458EAD9C4A5C7071B220@TraceyPC> References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB4A@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <005601ca7534$6ea90400$030ff004@ctrask> <4AABF465BDAF458EAD9C4A5C7071B220@TraceyPC> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 12:15:43 +0100 From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.18 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Re: Active Antenna Preamp of Bernd/DF8ZR Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Tracey, Yesterday it did not work for me either; however today it does! 73, Roelof, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb12.mx.aol.com (rly-mb12.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.170]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB043-d414b38c3934c; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:41:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB125-d414b38c3934c; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:41:24 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPGlr-0005Me-KF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:40:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPGlq-0005MR-VJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:40:30 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPGlo-0006eZ-KE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:40:30 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBS4Zbmn025351 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 05:35:37 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:40:27 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:40:27 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AD09@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Thread-Index: AcqG736zyDCWq77xSZ+rbnrQuqAn5wA24U6g From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.648;28.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.28.142417 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Ken,=20 Yes, there is a strong interaction. In principle my active antenna does no= t differ to the PA0RDT Whip. But the dimension of the interaction depends on the kind of your TX antenn= a. I think a high vertical does more interact than I short vertical with= many toploads, as long as the RX ant is not placed under these toploads..= . 73, Stefan/DK7FC PS: See the pic of my last report to get an impression of the interaction.= .. -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von Ken Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Dezember 2009 13:21 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Hello Alan. A very interesting paper of yours, is it likely that there will be the sam= e=20 interaction between a T antenna and the PA0RDT Mini Whip? 73. Ken M0KHW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "ALAN MELIA" To: Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 11:51 AM Subject: Re: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Hi Stefan I hope it does not give you indigestion :-)) Good luck with it.....all LF sites are different so in general require=20 different detailed solutions. It seemed generally to be sufficient to=20 de-tune the unused antenna to reduce the interaction to low levels. Best Wishes for Dx in the New Year Alan G3NYK --- On Sun, 27/12/09, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrot= e: > From: Stefan Sch=E4fer > Subject: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sunday, 27 December, 2009, 10:55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > Alan, tnx, i have > printed your article and will read it now at breakfast > ;-) > > > > Perhaps > I will come back > with some questions... J > > > > 73, > Stefan/DK7FC > > -----Urspr=FCngliche > Nachricht----- > > Von: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von ALAN > MELIA > > Gesendet: > Sonntag, 27. Dezember > 2009 01:32 > > An: > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Betreff: Re: > LF: Influence of a TX > antenna to a small rx antenna > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephan yes the aerialls will > be very close > compared with the wavelength so they will interact > particularly is tuned. We > did some measurements ar Finbar's location several > years ago > > http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/aecouple.htm > > > > The interaction was measured on an antenna RF > bridge, and demonstrates > the coupling between two wires. > > > > Best Wishes > > Alan G3NYK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me08.mx.aol.com (rly-me08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.42]) by air-me09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME094-9cd4b30ce5a9b; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 08:49:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME081-9cd4b30ce5a9b; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 08:49:15 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NN501-0006Cc-DF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 13:42:05 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NN500-0006CT-S9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 13:42:04 +0000 Received: from mail-vw0-f201.google.com ([209.85.212.201]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NN55e-0003aS-9J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 13:47:56 +0000 Received: by vws39 with SMTP id 39so5842601vws.30 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 05:47:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=NH1Gx2LjH5A64nGRfMSggtXlS+0195vHOtNu1fcTIPw=; b=O5dGYsciQL9nKaFHxRHd+KDYe6JFJNnCMPajljxwsBqpBF18bnvLS64a7qiGkxvgov JYKqE0eqacxIzpmJLta0QE4/hRLPQdbBRGjlTnEHw8GKjcCkrcIRg9QBqHv5wyjjzQ5I Rgw3AaUvTfMo3Kvgdl2cobcUGoGle7e3Y0Vqc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=IR5aGqLINGrg2BDB/3HuzztFLM0OLLBMr8suDXv4nZ+E5zH3mESCS/GKueQirFL8Pz E93zJWg54nayo3WbEEfFzUma4D+FjbrOUb9bXA2VL3ZyoOiX4Xxd/3Ws09l/3ZeXSoXD YBCaA51NF+JH3OVEUwR20mQosq7eCTpvIGxtU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.66.41 with SMTP id l41mr1532314vci.25.1261489667716; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 05:47:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 13:47:47 +0000 Message-ID: <8bf118410912220547m5e4d0e60o527fcb87c62010d9@mail.gmail.com> From: Dave Pick To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: QOA? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485e0e61e8838cc047b51737f X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d246.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485e0e61e8838cc047b51737f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think we need to get some badges made with QOA on them! Merry Christmas all. Dave G3YXM 2009/12/22 Petr Mal=FD > Hi Lowfers, > > I looked for some Q-codes recently and one of them struck my eyes. > Do you know what QOA means? > It means "can you/I can work telegraphy on 500kHz". > > 73 and have a nice X-mass, Petr, OK1FIG > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4708 (20091222) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > --=20 G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK --001485e0e61e8838cc047b51737f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think we need to get some badges made with QOA on them!

Merry Chr= istmas all.

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73 and have a nice X-mass, Petr,=20 OK1FIG


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--001485e0e61e8838cc047b51737f-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (rly-mf07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.177]) by air-mf05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF052-9704b2e0ae31a3; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 06:31:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF076-9704b2e0ae31a3; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 06:30:44 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMJuN-0006yI-E9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:25:07 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMJuM-0006y9-Sm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:25:06 +0000 Received: from mx39.mail.ru ([94.100.176.53]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMJyo-00028Z-3u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:29:44 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=18144 helo=EFREMOV) by mx39.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NMJyi-00051z-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:29:36 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <005301ca8167$ac452e30$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <346854e9698cbf94f4483c66682bb63b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <4B2CDA00.6080504@att.net> <200912201058160899.2B6A2E1A@smtp2.numeo.fr> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:28:19 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: "harmonics" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0045_01CA8180.AD25C0D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01CA8180.AD25C0D0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello LF, At strong levels of a signal such "harmonics" are formed here. 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AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.4] Message-ID: <4B224C9D.6020606@usa.net> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:43:57 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <20091210100700.32DEC31E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20091210100700.32DEC31E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID761NLkNSa9040X39 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AW: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Rik Strobbe wrote: > The "black box operators" must be protected > against this danger, otherwise they might go QRT due to "natural selection" :-) Well, should that happen, they will be candidates for the Darwin Award... if you don't know what it is, search with Google, you will find the stories of past, all well deserved, awards.... :-) 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.219]) by air-da07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA074-86674b3b7bdfc3; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:12:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1893A38008C5E; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:09:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by 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autolearn=disabled,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=1.639,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: OE5ODL - report Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020609090200010008030504" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_BODY,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60db4b3b7b4a620c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --------------020609090200010008030504 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit tu dave! testing new coil tx in 10A 30 V with one irfp 260 73 happy new year ossi oe5odl Dave G3WCB schrieb: > Ossi, LF, > > Screen shots of OE5ODL testing on 137,710 at 1347 UTC this afternoon. "O" > copy at 1069 km. > > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E. England > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------020609090200010008030504 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------020302050304060109080203" --------------020302050304060109080203 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable tu dave!
testing new coil=A0
tx in 10A 30 V with one irfp 260
73 happy new year
ossi oe5odl


Dave G3WCB schrieb: 
Ossi, LF,

Screen shots of OE5ODL testing on 137,710 at 1347 UTC this afternoon. "O"
copy at 1069 km.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E. England




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Thanks fer info again, now its reality the sunrise in china bringing up my signal on BY3A on 137,775.2 73 ossi oe5odl From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (rly-mb01.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.154]) by air-mb03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB034-cea4b168f9030; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:02:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB016-cea4b168f9030; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:02:26 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFrdr-0004lV-Vn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:01:23 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFrdr-0004lM-40 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:01:23 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFrdp-0005ow-2F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:01:23 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nB2G1Iqe006018 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:01:19 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:01:19 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:01:19 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Thread-Index: AcpylfL6ykJKYUwPSv68FbViQSZ8HgAmscnwAA033wA= From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.601;02.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.2.155420 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA7368.AE5DFDFD" Subject: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7368.AE5DFDFD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mike, Bernd, LF,=20 Thank you very much for your transmission yesterday in the evening! I coul= d do very useful tests and improve my little rx-antenna significantly. I'm not sure if anyone who uses a short E-field active antenna as a rx ant= enna knows about the dependence of wire length and the height above ground= so I want to give a report of the results of my tests yesterday in the da= rk. Perhaps some others could improve their antenna by these explanations.= .. (First I tried to sent the pictures into the mail but the mail size became= more than 100kB and so the mail wasn't reflected, as it seems. So I do mo= dify the mail cancelling the Pictures. I put them on my page at qrz.com an= d those who are interested in the results of my improvements can find them= there (at the lower end of the site)...) For the first test I tried the active antenna with a wire of 1,4m. The low= er end of the wire was abt 2m above gnd (observed signal of G3XDV)(Argo wi= thout AGC and RX with fast AGC). There was almost nothing to see. Then, I= reduced the wire length to 80cm while the hight above gnd keeping constan= t. Results were much better as can be seen.=20 Next: 40cm wire length: even much better!=20 Next: 30cm: signal gets lower but qrm also. SNR slightly better.=20 Next: 25cm is the best, as I think.=20 Next: 20cm Signal becomes worse. So, the optimum seems to be at around 25.= ..30cm!=20 Next: 20cm in a height of 4m: Signal comes up but noise also. No significa= nt increase of SNR The signals of Ossi/OE5ODL were audible in all the tests and vy gd to cpi.= But the signal was too strong to see any differences between the S/N rati= os (a Picture is also available). =20 My Conclusion: It seems that a short receiving antenna can bee seen as a= capacitive divider out of the capacity between far field and antenna and= the capacity between antenna and ground. If the wire length is to much,= the input stage becomes nonlinear/goes into saturation. If the height abo= ve ground is increased the signal comes up, but not the signal/noise ratio= (surely there will be a benefit if such an antenna is placed in a region= with heavy local qrm. Then, the height should be increased and the wire= length can be decreased). So, one cannot say "the more the better" talkin= g about the wire length! It's exciting, we can receive our "QRP"-Signals (compared to HF) over a di= stance of 100s or 1000s of km with a wire that is 1/10000 Lambda! In compa= rison, in the 80m band that would be an antenna of 8mm (!) ;-) With this improvement I get new hope for receiving anything out of the cit= y, where my home QTH is... I hope this report isn't nerving because of the long text (and pictures)= and size. I try to stay always below 100kB. Perhaps some RXs can be impro= ved or Lowfers gets motivated to try such an antenna... 73, Stefan/DK7FC PS: Mike, what's your locator? I want to check the distance and take a vie= w to your QTH (on http://f6fvy.free.fr/qthLocator/fullScreen.php everyone= can type the searched QTH-Locator and watch the QTH of the received stn).= So one can see the distance and the wave travelling path and if the stn= in directly at the beach or in the mountains and so on. Vy fine! PPS: I forward this message to Bernd, the constructor of the preamp. I thi= nk he doesn't know that the antenna gets even better when reducing the wir= e length! (tnx Bernd!)=20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7368.AE5DFDFD Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Mike, Bernd, LF,

Thank you very much for your transmission yesterday in the evening! I could do very useful tests and improve my little rx-antenna significantly.=

I'm not sure if anyone who uses a short E-field active antenna as a rx antenna kno= ws about the dependence of wire length and the height above ground so I want= to give a report of the results of my tests yesterday in the dark. Perhaps so= me others could improve their antenna by these explanations…

(First I= tried to sent the pictures into the mail but the mail size became more than 100kB and so the mail wasn’t reflected, as it seems. So I do modify the mail cancelling the Pictures.= I put them on my page at qrz.com and those who are interested in the results of= my improvements can find them there (at the lower end of the site)…)

For the first test I tried the active antenna with a wire of 1,4m. The lower end= of the wire was abt 2m above gnd (observed signal of G3XDV)(Argo without AGC and= RX with fast AGC). There was almost nothing to see. Then, I reduced the wire length to 80cm while the hight above gnd keeping constant. Results were mu= ch better as can be seen.

Next: 40cm wire length: even much better!

Next: 30cm: signal gets lower but qrm also. SNR slightly better.

Next: 25cm is the best, as I think.

Next: 20cm Signal becomes worse. So, the optimum seems to be at around 25…30cm!

Next: 20cm in a height of 4m: Signal comes up but noise also. No significant increase= of SNR

The signals of Ossi/OE5ODL were audible in all the tests and vy gd to cpi. But the sig= nal was too strong to see any differences between the S/N ratios (a Picture is= also available).

 

My Conclusion: It seems that a short receiving antenna can bee seen as a capacitive divider out of the capacity between far field and antenna and= the capacity between antenna and ground. If the wire length is to much, the in= put stage becomes nonlinear/goes into saturation. If the height above ground= is increased the signal comes up, but not the signal/noise ratio(surely there will be a be= nefit if such an antenna is placed in a region with heavy local qrm. Then, the height sh= ould be increased and the wire length can be decreased). So, one cannot say “the more the betterR= 21; talking about the wire length!

It’s exciting, we can receive our “QRP”-Signals (compared to HF) ov= er a distance of 100s or 1000s of km with a wire that is 1/10000 Lambda! In comparison, in the 80m band= that would be an antenna of 8mm (!) ;-)

With this improvement I get new hope for receiving anything out of the city, where= my home QTH is…

I hope this report isn’t nerving because of the long text (and pictures) and size. I try to stay always be= low 100kB. Perhaps some RXs can be improved or Lowfers gets motivated to try such an antenna…

73, Stefan/DK7FC

PS: Mike, what's your locator? I want to check the distance and take a view to your= QTH (on http://f6fvy.free.fr/qthLocator/fullSc= reen.php everyone can type the searched QTH-Locator and watch the QTH of the receiv= ed stn). So one can see the distance and the wave travelling path and if the= stn in directly at the beach or in the mountains and so on. Vy fine!

PPS: I forward this message to Bernd, the constructor of the preamp. I think he doesn’t know that the antenna gets even better when reducing the wir= e length! (tnx Bernd!)

 

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7368.AE5DFDFD-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (rly-dd09.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.156]) by air-dd10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD102-b994b34d3903cb; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:00:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD093-b994b34d3903cb; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:00:34 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOBdZ-0002jW-Up for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:59:29 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOBdZ-0002jN-D2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:59:29 +0000 Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.143]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOBdY-0007vf-IT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:59:29 +0000 Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nBPExFCL004770 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:59:15 -0500 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.cf3.697d44af (44227) for ; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:59:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.68] ([92.18.91.54]) by cia-dd08.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD085-acc34b34d3371a0; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:59:10 -0500 From: g4gvw To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <6949F910A2A945058B164FC3443B420B@JimPC> References: <6949F910A2A945058B164FC3443B420B@JimPC> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:59:01 +0000 Message-Id: <1261753141.5486.3.camel@pat-compaq-evo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.1 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: G4gvw@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Happy Christmas Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 YES! Cheers Jim. And I wish you, all of you, every good thing you wish yourselves. Peace everywhere would be a nice bonus too! (And please may I win the lottery!) Lots of luck guys and guyesses for 2010 also. On Fri, 2009-12-25 at 10:39 +0000, James Moritz wrote: > Dear LF Group, > > A very happy Christmas to all on the LF reflector! > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > -- 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw qth nr felixstowe uk (east coast, county of suffolk) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.78]) by air-de08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE083-5ec04b37502e1a5; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 07:16:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1E533380000A8; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 07:16:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOs2G-0002BS-5v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:15:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOs2F-0002BJ-9F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:15:47 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOs2C-0000Ip-88 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:15:47 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3502.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9963B7000041 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 13:15:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3502.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 893DF7000046 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 13:15:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.66.170]) by mwinf3502.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 91E987000041 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 13:15:35 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20091227121535597.91E987000041@mwinf3502.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <5BA37E0D20C445E8B9DF2E3479E216D2@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <20091226.144128.11516.4.cw4ever4@juno.com> <007601ca86d3$2b3670d0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> <00a101ca86d7$5998fed0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> In-Reply-To: <00a101ca86d7$5998fed0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:15:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beacon & WSPR 2.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01CA86EE.4ACC93A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604e4b37502d54e2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01CA86EE.4ACC93A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul ... no problem ...=20 Google-=DCbersetzung heilt alle 73 - G ,,=20 From: Clemens Paul=20 Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 9:31 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beacon & WSPR 2.0 LF, Sorry,my last email (see also below) was not intended to be sent to th= e list, but to DF6MK. I would not post in German language on an anglophone reflector althoug= h I've noticed great tolerance on this list in this respect.=20 Anyway,I've also noted the <...> decodes a few times while spotting WD2XSH/17 and was a bit surprised,too, but then correct decodes took place. It seems that WSPR2.0 still cannot write callsigns like WD2XSH/17 into= the blue window in the upper right corner of the WSPR window.=20 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Clemens Paul=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 10:01 AM Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beacon & WSPR 2.0 Hallo Werner, genau die zitierte Passage aus dem untenstehen Txt traf bei mir=20 ein paar Mal auch zu. >It takes two, 2 minute transmissions to send >the full call, grid, and power. You may see decodes that look lik= e > <...> followed by the grid and/or power. WSPR has not decoded th= e call >yet but only the second part of the complete message. With a margin= al >signal and fades, this may be all you will get. I don't know how= long it >stores the second half (or the first half) of the message to splice= it 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Robert H Reif=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 8:41 PM Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beacon & WSPR 2.0 Hello, Graham, Rik, and All, Joe K1JT was kind enough to modify the WSPR program to acco= mmodate our long calls with the /. It takes two, 2 minute transmissions= to send the full call, grid, and power. You may see decodes that look li= ke <...> followed by the grid and/or power. WSPR has not decoded the= call yet but only the second part of the complete message. With a margi= nal signal and fades, this may be all you will get. I don't know how= long it stores the second half (or the first half) of the message to splic= e it together. Joe also added the CW ID feature to version 2.0 which= is required by our experimental license. He has been very supportive= of our 600 meter efforts. =20 The set up here is 100 watts to a wire, 35 ft inverted L wit= h two top loading wires each about 100 ft long. I am really surprised= (and pleased) to get across with this setup. I am inland from the coas= t and the path to Eu is over land till the path goes over salt water off= the coast of New Brunswick, Canada. Want to raise the antenna a bit= more and increase the top loading but that may not happen till spring now.= =20 73 and Happy New Year. Bob WD2XSH/37 FN42fo=20 On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:34:15 +0100 Rik Strobbe writes: > Graham, Rick, Bob, >=20 > I guess that when the CW id of a WSPR station is audible there= =20 > should =20 > be solid copy in WSPR. > But, as mentioned by Bob, WSPR 2.0 was used to transmit the unus= ual =20 >=20 > WD2XSH/37 callsign. I noticed that older version of WSPR do not= copy=20 > =20 > this properly, even when the signal is strong. > I have been running WSPR2 and WSPR1.1 simultaniously for some da= ys =20 >=20 > (the first spotting as ON7YD the other as OR7T) and noticed that= =20 > WD2XSH/37 produced all kinds of odd messages with WSPR1.1. WSPR2= =20 > decodes OK. >=20 > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >=20 > Quoting Graham : >=20 > > Rick, > > > > Looks like wd2x .. was the station .. you can check what= =20 > stations are > > operating at : http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/spots > > > > 2009-12-24 03:38 WD2XSH/37 0.503912 -26 0 FN42fo = 2 =20 > ON7YD > > JO20ix 5615 52 > > > > G.. > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Rick Wakatori" <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> > > Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 10:39 AM > > To: > > Subject: LF: "WA" beacon received at 503kHz. > > > >> > >> Using WSPR, I heard "WA" beacon in CW or QRSS at around 503kH= z. > >> The signal was visible on the screen during last night. > >> Please let me know the callsign and the QTH? > >> Rick > >> -- > >> -.. . --... .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-. > >> 7L1RLL under ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP) > >> URL=3Dhttp://www1.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html > >> -..--- -.- .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-... ...-. > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=3Dyi9iW2lTPi_FlJuAPb= ZNdQAAJ1D5rfaR-77IPsUFbn2LcZ2XAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA= AAAEUgAAAAA=3D=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. 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73 - G ,,

Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beacon & WSPR 2.0

LF,
 
Sorry,my last email (see also be= low) was not=20 intended to be sent to the list, but to
DF6MK.
I would not post in German langu= age on an=20 anglophone reflector although
I've noticed great tolerance on this= list in this=20 respect. 
 
Anyway,I've also noted the  <...> decodes a few times= =20 while
spotting WD2XSH/17 and was a bit surprised,too,
but then correct decodes took place.
It seems that WSPR2.0 still cannot write callsigns like WD2XSH/17=  into=20 the
blue window in the upper right corner of the WSPR window.&nb= sp;
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 20= 09 10:01=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beacon= & WSPR=20 2.0

Hallo Werner,
 
genau die zitierte Passage aus dem= untenstehen=20 Txt traf bei mir
ein paar  Mal auch zu.<= /DIV>
 
 >It takes two, 2 minute transmissions to send
>t= he full=20 call, grid, and power.  You may see decodes  that look=20 like
>  <...> followed by the grid and/or power.&nb= sp; WSPR=20 has not decoded the call
>yet but only the second part of the= complete=20 message. With a marginal
>signal and fades, this may be all yo= u will=20 get.  I don't know how long it
>stores the second half (o= r the=20 first half) of the message to splice it
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rob= ert H Reif=20
Sent: Saturday, December 26= , 2009 8:41=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beaco= n & WSPR=20 2.0

Hello, Graham, Rik, and=20 All,
       Joe K1JT was kind eno= ugh to=20 modify the WSPR program to accommodate
our long calls with the= /. =20 It takes two, 2 minute transmissions to send
the full call, gri= d, and=20 power.  You may see decodes  that look like
<...&g= t;=20 followed by the grid and/or power.  WSPR has not decoded the= =20 call
yet but only the second part of the complete message. With= a=20 marginal
signal and fades, this may be all you will get. = I don't=20 know how long it
stores the second half (or the first half) of= the=20 message to splice it
together.  Joe also added the = CW ID=20 feature to version 2.0 which is
required by our experimental=20 license.  He has been very supportive of our
600 meter=20 efforts. 
     The set up here is 100= watts to=20 a  wire, 35 ft inverted L with two
top loading wires each= about 100=20 ft  long.  I am really surprised (and
pleased) to get= across=20 with this setup.  I am inland from the coast and
the path= to Eu is=20 over land till the path goes over salt water off the
coast of= New=20 Brunswick, Canada.  Want to raise the antenna a bit more=20 and
increase the top loading but that may not happen till sprin= g=20 now. 
     73 and Happy New Year.&nbs= p;=20 Bob  WD2XSH/37  FN42fo



On Sat, 26 Dec 20= 09=20 18:34:15 +0100 Rik Strobbe
<Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>=20 writes:
> Graham, Rick, Bob,
>
> I guess that= when the CW=20 id of a WSPR station is audible there
> should 
&g= t; be=20 solid copy in WSPR.
> But, as mentioned by Bob, WSPR 2.0 was= used to=20 transmit the unusual 
>
> WD2XSH/37 callsign.= I noticed=20 that older version of WSPR do not copy
> 
> thi= s=20 properly, even when the signal is strong.
> I have been runn= ing WSPR2=20 and WSPR1.1 simultaniously for some days 
>
>= (the first=20 spotting as ON7YD the other as OR7T) and noticed that 
&g= t;=20 WD2XSH/37 produced all kinds of odd messages with WSPR1.1. WSPR2&n= bsp;=20
> decodes OK.
>
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T>=20
> Quoting Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>:
>=20
> > Rick,
> >
> > Looks like  wd2= x=20 ..   was the  station .. you  can  check= what=20
> stations are
> > operating at :  http://wsprnet.org/d= rupal/wsprnet/spots
>=20 >
> > 2009-12-24 03:38   WD2XSH/37 &nbs= p;=20 0.503912   -26   0   FN42fo &nb= sp;=20 2  
> ON7YD
> > JO20ix  =20 5615   52
> >
> > G..
> >
= > >=20 --------------------------------------------------
> > Fr= om: "Rick=20 Wakatori" <7= l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp>
>=20 > Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 10:39 AM
> > To:= <rsgb_lf_gro= up@blacksheep.org>
>=20 > Subject: LF: "WA" beacon received at 503kHz.
> >
= >=20 >>
> >> Using WSPR, I heard "WA" beacon in CW or= QRSS at=20 around 503kHz.
> >> The signal was visible on the scre= en during=20 last night.
> >> Please let me know the callsign and= the=20 QTH?
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------=_NextPart_000_0014_01CA86EE.4ACC93A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de09.mx.aol.com (rly-de09.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.145]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE012-4fc4b23d1dc195; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:24:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE091-4fc4b23d1dc195; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:24:45 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJVgw-0001oC-76 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:23:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJVgv-0001o3-RA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:23:37 +0000 Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.41]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJVgx-0001G0-ML for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:23:42 +0000 Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nBCHNUOO032102 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:23:30 -0500 Received: from F4DTL@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.d35.5e2dfae2 (48600) for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:23:27 -0500 (EST) From: F4DTL@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:28:41 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5029 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: F4DTL@aol.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: Japanese time&frequency station Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1260638920" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 -------------------------------1260638920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Yes,in November 2008 JJY station with my Loop Wellbrook LFL1010 and WG=20 SMP3 as a receiver with 200 Hz Bw. The signal was the audible about 15mn. =20 =20 F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP _http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/_ (http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/)=20 =20 =20 Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 12/12/2009 16:15:25 Paris, Madrid, dibene@usa.net= a =20 =E9crit : Is there anybody in Europe that was able to receive the Japanese=20 time&frequency standard station at 40 kHz ? If yes, could you please give details about the equipments, especially th= e=20 antenna, used ? I am trying since some time, night and day, but no luck so far.... 73 Alberto I2PHD -------------------------------1260638920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= FONT id=3Drole_document color=3D#000000 size=3D2 face=3DArial>
Yes,in November 2008 JJY station with my Loop= =20 Wellbrook LFL1010 and WG SMP3 as a receiver with 200 Hz Bw.
The signal was the audible about 15mn.
 
 
 
 
Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 12/12/2009 16:15:25 Paris, Madrid, dibene@us= a.net a=20 =E9crit :
I= s there=20 anybody in Europe that was able to receive the Japanese time&frequen= cy=20 standard station at 40 kHz ?
If yes, could you please give details ab= out=20 the equipments, especially the antenna, used ?

I am trying since= some=20 time, night and day, but no luck so far....

73  Alberto = ;=20 I2PHD

 
 -------------------------------1260638920-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.83]) by air-mg05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG052-8c2e4b38e8e9129; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:20:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2DE4C38000305; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:20:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPJFx-0006Ev-Rd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:19:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPJFx-0006Em-AE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:19:45 +0000 Received: from smtp6.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.190]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPJFu-0007YP-PE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:19:45 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3604.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2CA8770000A4 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:19:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3604.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1DA5070000A5 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:19:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.94.105]) by mwinf3604.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 8B64970000A4 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:19:34 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20091228171934571.8B64970000A4@mwinf3604.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <80578.2091.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <5263798E332240C3BC686B3164057D2F@p4> In-Reply-To: <5263798E332240C3BC686B3164057D2F@p4> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:19:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: WD2XSH/17 decoded in GM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01CA87E1.EB03DA10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60534b38e8e95428 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01CA87E1.EB03DA10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark, I think the rx noise level is a possible glitch . i have noted oth= er comments about it ,=20 I have had the same problem , with the correct level showing after= a rx/tx cycle ..=20 G.. G0NBD From: Mark=20 Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 9:03 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: WD2XSH/17 decoded in GM Hi All,=20 3 instances of decodes of WD2XSH on 503.890KHz last night between 01:0= 0 and 03:00z all with bad message tagged, and no /17 appended These of course did not upload, sigs were 2 off -28 dB and 1 off -27dB Several other corrupted calls reported on the same frequency. I was using WSPR1.01, now upgraded to WSPR2 r1714. The change log doe= s not suggest that 1.01 does not handle the suffixes correctly, but I= am hoping that the upgrade will improve things Interestingly the RX noise level indicator says -30dB all the time,= irrespective of the audio level settings, though it displays and deco= des well enough. Soundcard setup is non-standard here, RX is softrock, processed by Spe= clab (which also provides the grabber see www.dc2light.co.uk for a li= nk) Audio Output from Speclab is filtered, frequency shifted and then= passed to the WSPR software. Pleased to copy the WD2XSH/17 on the tiny mag loop antenna, which is= aligned roughly E-W and therfore has a null towards the USA Hopefully future spots will reach the database. Hope all have a happy and prosperous 2010 Mark GM4ISM IO85AR ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01CA87E1.EB03DA10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mark,
 
I think the  rx noise level is= a=20 possible  glitch . i have  noted  other comments about= it  ,=20
I have  had the  same probl= em , with=20 the  correct level showing after a  rx/tx cycle ..
 
G..
 
G0NBD

Hi All,
3 instances of decodes of WD2XSH=20 on 503.890KHz last night between 01:00 and 03:00z all with bad= message=20 tagged, and no /17 appended
These of course did not upload, sigs= were 2 off -28=20 dB and 1 off -27dB
Several other corrupted calls reporte= d on the same=20 frequency.
 
I was using WSPR1.01, now upgraded to= WSPR2 =20 r1714. The change log does not suggest that 1.01 does not handle the= suffixes=20 correctly, but I am hoping that the upgrade will improve things=
 Interestingly the RX noise leve= l indicator=20 says -30dB all the time, irrespective of the audio level settings, tho= ugh it=20 displays and decodes well enough.
Soundcard setup is non-standard here,= RX is=20 softrock, processed by Speclab (which also provides the grabber = see www.dc2light.co.uk fo= r a link) Audio Output=20 from Speclab is filtered, frequency shifted and then passed to the WSP= R=20 software.
 
Pleased to copy the WD2XSH/17 on= the tiny mag=20 loop antenna, which is aligned roughly E-W and therfore has a null tow= ards the=20 USA
Hopefully future spots will reach the= =20 database.
Hope all have a happy and prosperous= =20 2010
Mark GM4ISM IO85AR


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Dear LF,

 

I have reconfigd my ant and vario for= 137 in advance of possibly running some tests of some new kit with G3XIZ later this week but am= currently running a vy QRPppp WSPR system as a pre-test=

 

Thanks in advance for any reports or Ar= go traces, though I don’t expect many if any

With best regards=

 

 

Jim G7NKS=

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------=_NextPart_000_0054_01CA8657.3DB3A2E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md06.mx.aol.com (rly-md06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.144]) by air-md04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD044-9104b1a203120d; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 03:56:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD068-9104b1a203120d; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 03:56:19 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGqQ3-00055m-KM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 08:55:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGqQ3-00055d-3B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 08:55:11 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate09.web.de ([217.72.192.184]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGqQ2-00022J-FR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 08:55:11 +0000 Received: from web.de by fmmailgate09.web.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 6FDF02B42A25 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:55:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from [217.125.84.109] by freemailng6504.web.de with HTTP; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 09:55:03 +0100 Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 09:55:03 +0100 Message-Id: <987137178@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: di2am@web.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-Provags-Id: V01U2FsdGVkX19jDilKXjLxoDIZLoLq2Z7pi++4PmIBhDsalXhXBddo9Hc0K zp9IC6VntIM8xn43oGUC6RGsSZPgBDMbCRDOzWsukbx9TS3axM= X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Activity on 500 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Good morning Alberto, many thanks for the nice screen shot. 73 gl Joerg, DL3NRV =20 > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: "Alberto di Bene" > Gesendet: 04.12.09 18:56:27 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: LF: Activity on 500 kHz Some activity recorded on the 500 kHz band this afternoon. >=20 > *DI2AG* : >=20 > *DI2AM in QRSS3* >=20 > *OK0EMW in QRSS3* at 505091 Hz (abt) in *JN88ks* >=20 > (some QSB...) >=20 > 73 Alberto I2PHD >=20 >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.74]) by air-di03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI033-eac04b38fd91235; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:48:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8B5FF380000F5; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:48:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPKdG-0006e8-QD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:47:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPKdG-0006dz-Fa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:47:54 +0000 Received: from mx01.infotech.at ([213.174.240.1]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPKdE-0007wZ-LC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:47:54 +0000 Received: from [213.174.228.217] (helo=[192.168.1.150]) by mx01.infotech.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPKdD-0008JR-LV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 19:47:51 +0100 Message-ID: <4B38FD5C.6090108@inext.at> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 19:47:56 +0100 From: Oberreiter Oswald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: Re: LF: OE5ODL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404a4b38fd9155da X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) hallo Dave! tu fer screen shot. happy new Year 73 ossi Dave G3WCB schrieb: > LF, Ossi, > > Screen shot of OE5ODL Calling CQ at 1408z today. > > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E. England > > > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (rly-dc09.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.38]) by air-dc03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC031-b424b19937619a; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:56:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC096-b424b19937619a; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:55:51 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGh3F-0003Mo-AM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:55:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGh3E-0003Mf-VN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:55:00 +0000 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGh3E-00084O-D8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:55:00 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAIsiGUtOlOfC/2dsb2JhbADXEIQzBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,344,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="153797629" Received: from unknown (HELO TraceyPC) ([78.148.231.194]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Dec 2009 22:54:41 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Tracey Gardner" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB4A@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B198F49.6020600@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <4B198F49.6020600@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:54:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Active Antenna Preamp of Bernd/DF8ZR Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I can't get to the linked page at http://www.mydarc.de/df8zr/lf-active-antenna.pdf because it re-directs to https://freemailng1305.web.de/jump.htm?goto=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mydarc.de%2Fdf8zr%2Flf-active-antenna.pdf which displays the text "Die aufrufende URL ist ungltig. Weiter zur WEB.DE Homepage" I've tried numerous times and that's all I get and I'm not the only one to be getting that response. Tracey > Worked here for me. > > Mike > WE0H > /16 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma01.mx.aol.com (rly-ma01.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.44]) by air-ma06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA064-88d4b206f3d3d3; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:47:21 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA017-88d4b206f3d3d3; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:47:11 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIZyX-0007fm-KU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 03:45:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIZyX-0007fd-9y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 03:45:57 +0000 Received: from defout.telus.net ([204.209.205.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIZyW-000811-1Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 03:45:57 +0000 Received: from edmwaa02.telusplanet.net ([75.157.163.71]) by priv-edmwes23.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091210034552.QVKY1986.priv-edmwes23.telusplanet.net@edmwaa02.telusplanet.net> for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 20:45:52 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.67] (d75-157-163-71.bchsia.telus.net [75.157.163.71]) by edmwaa02.telusplanet.net (BorderWare Security Platform) with ESMTP id 60273145A3AF802B for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 20:45:51 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <4B206EEF.8060700@telus.net> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 03:45:51 +0000 From: Scott Tilley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Unid signal on ~137778.8Hz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Anyone own the carrier on 137778.8ish? Started around 0030UTC and is still going now at 0345UTC. Drifting down slightly in frequency as it goes... TU ES 73, Scott VE7TIL CN89dk http://www3.telus.net/sthed/argo/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db02.mx.aol.com (rly-db02.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.77]) by air-db05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB054-aae4b2522c523; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 12:22:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB024-aae4b2522c523; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 12:22:15 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJs7Z-0006Ys-PL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:20:37 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJs7Z-0006Yj-DR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:20:37 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJs8B-0004Ev-1C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:21:17 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwEAMOxJEtZ8blN/2dsb2JhbACOCQbDXYQrBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,391,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="190590854" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.241.185.77]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2009 17:20:57 +0000 Message-ID: <001601ca7c18$9db0cef0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:20:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: LA3EQ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA7C18.9D6BAFA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA7C18.9D6BAFA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Going strong on CW at present on 502 kcs. Can anyone else hear him. Ho= w about the grabbers? G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA7C18.9D6BAFA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Going strong on CW at present on 502= kcs. Can=20 anyone else hear him. How about the grabbers?
G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA7C18.9D6BAFA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me06.mx.aol.com (rly-me06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.40]) by air-me02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME023-9bf4b310cf32c5; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 13:16:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME063-9bf4b310cf32c5; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 13:16:21 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NN99n-000739-HF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:08:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NN99n-000730-5u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:08:27 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate04.web.de ([217.72.192.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NN9EW-0007M7-0J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:13:24 +0000 Received: from web.de by fmmailgate04.web.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 15CBB623E83D for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:14:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from [88.76.51.14] by freemailng2501.web.de with HTTP; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:14:07 +0100 Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:14:07 +0100 Message-Id: <1552584960@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?iso-8859-15?Q?Horst_St=F6cker?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-Provags-Id: V01U2FsdGVkX1/+Ky9bwzdcjjCAiFIJyIL/gttd33OHkxRbItIcN2QLqp3px YDtO1ucq7Act/kdgZvyOPFL9aKuMAAP8ZWwWCD6Ya4vfBjkI0aMiXpmXss2L g== X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: =?iso-8859-15?Q?An_DK1KQ:_500_kHz_f=FCr_den_Funkamateur_SDR?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hallo Uwe, die in Deinem Buch genannte eMail-Adresse scheint nicht mehr zu stimme, da= her nun auf diesem Wege: In welchem Heft war Dein Artikel ?? 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Jetzt freischalten unter http://movieflat.web.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (rly-dg04.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.88]) by air-dg08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG084-5bc4b1ea6253d4; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 14:17:02 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG043-5bc4b1ea6253d4; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 14:16:55 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NI5X5-0006ja-DG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:15:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NI5X5-0006jR-2Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:15:35 +0000 Received: from mx33.mail.ru ([94.100.176.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NI5X4-0006RR-8X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:15:35 +0000 Received: from [94.75.146.24] (port=51900 helo=[192.168.1.4]) by mx33.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NI5Wx-000P98-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:15:27 +0300 Message-ID: <4B1EA5C4.5080903@mail.ru> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:15:16 +0300 From: Dmitry User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.8.1.23) Gecko/20090825 SeaMonkey/1.1.18 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <02EC07D90C081201151C6@kabelmail.de> In-Reply-To: <02EC07D90C081201151C6@kabelmail.de> X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Y , AGC and ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Uwe .. and OE5ODL Dmitry Uwe Jannsen wrote: > > > Hi all, > > pse see > > http://dj8wx-dl.de/capt74a > > (receive aerial = TX aerial) > > regards > Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (rly-mf02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.172]) by air-mf01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF013-9474b2f9b3c125; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:58:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF025-9474b2f9b3c125; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:58:54 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMkYd-0002I5-EI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:52:27 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMkYd-0002Hw-0F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:52:27 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMkdl-0003xb-DF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:57:46 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA427B802A for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:57:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CFA2F3863 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:57:33 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 073A218056; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:57:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from 194.58-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (194.58-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.247.58.194]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:57:32 +0100 Message-ID: <20091221165732.37blf9vaoosgkw0k@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:57:32 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <001401ca8222$5ce76d10$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <9afca2640912210535v7922b3d4ned743d26dfd2a412@mail.gmail.com> <001701ca824a$904740e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <001701ca824a$904740e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.247.58.194 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF ACTY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) There is little challenge in copying the mentioned QRO stations, =20 copying QRP stations is the real challenge. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting mal hamilton : > Turn the wick up and someone might hear u. The DL, SM, LA and EIOCF =20 > are booming in here day and nite. > g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roger Lapthorn > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 1:35 PM > Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF ACTY > > Mal, > > I called CQ on 12wpm CW a few times just now on 500kHz, but no takers. > > There is always activity on 500kHz WSPR. Reports of my 1mW ERP =20 > signal received from 4 different stations (so far) in the last hour =20 > or so out to 237kms. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > 2009/12/21 mal hamilton > > I have never heard LF/MF so quiet over the years since it all =20 > started. In the past most of the DX that I have worked was around =20 > XMAS time. The wx at present in Scarborough is minus 2 C and covered =20 > in 6 inches of snow but it is not effecting my antennas so far even =20 > although there is some ice on the wires. > Now calling CQ on 502.6 kcs and looking for acty also on 137 kcs CW > De mal/g3kev > > > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (rly-mf04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.174]) by air-mf03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF033-95a4b2a473d31a; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:59:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF048-95a4b2a473d31a; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:59:12 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLHke-0006GQ-Vy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:54:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLHke-0006GH-JC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:54:48 +0000 Received: from web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com ([69.147.97.72]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLHmz-0004sl-09 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:57:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 52260 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2009 14:57:35 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1261061854; bh=MkhAtRMX13Gsup+5A4kUqvm6uYHN9IyyISFLAx1wifk=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fR8aOSZuaruqXNLaUCRMPZLg+yGI55Xibj/s3HtYjPVgu7gqtE45sulaAF98OnvzEbQyRQkuR/FjJ+Ppq4CrR5ZiuBRUkE3pwBjJ4kEeqa42LH3V503qlUvLbeop4TSCAwrVVL+AnQb6tvqdC4P3jJLV3IVOA5apC+EbDyg5D/Y= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=t/+DjKmsa1/6fRtCgLdFLDZ3VJo2GxpXeRl6GASCkB9PQeFj5GhbMoB6XbvFhgbE/YhmNpJx3osKI5qtCNy6cXDbRV6PxbZRash7Hqp0lUozI8o9HNeVaI3swvaxcT/KKSt3NuJCeklg/yCK950d5PkZpmta+xG0gvjxZbWFrZE=; Message-ID: <985541.50017.qm@web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: qlpT4k8VM1k9sjLWoqBcROU1ZYJVJfmSgOxfQa6x0qXwgHj1_jDK80TfkWGCUtU2lypfT1zdq053GsfCaZYf_tkYPxtKpPJBCIaAA49_JSFsraV1t3jsp7BZOeLUg15LkZN75PuADutAEF34zI9Zu5izLm0UGtmBYKH2hzy.Ri1cc3UE4iJss0GTBMHKDal5xKZEOVCsYWn__XLMa9zoRhMtKIeWa4kADXFDANF2bBvNceOQtVUkbGzftwPxdUmFn.pp9LnFx1Srouxnr5dcu6ygT1a91UEHvuFTf0gGHLmvAoskx4e8V8v6fMqtZypWcZIOpJN0NwQfPqKhEotpzD395dwgXyqbuDGPUrptV..kuutSPDa_yVBOTye_0srL.c1VzytOqZWqgecYHA-- Received: from [98.70.124.123] by web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 06:57:34 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 06:57:34 -0800 (PST) From: Andy - KU4XR To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Rambling thoughts on Cycle 24 upswing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m212.2 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : fail Hello all: The following is a post I made to another list about the cycle 24 upswing in solar activity. Just my personal observations/thoughts Mostly about LOWfer activity this side of the pond. It may depend on which side of the fence you're on whether the increased Solar activity is beneficial to your type of operation. mid to upper HF perks up for long distance, but lower HF and down begins to shorten up to more localised communications. 80 and 160 meter DX will become impossible except to the big guns, but on the other hand, if you're more into local ragchewing, that's when the band conditions become optimum. When I was operating A.M. on 80 meters,I loved it when the sunspot cycle was at its peak because many migrated up to the higher bands, and congestion wasn't nearly as bad. Plus the enhanced daytime local conditions were great. I was running a Hallicrafters HT-40 with 10 watts output into a low to the ground All band dipole, and every day would work stations 300 to 400 miles away during the afternoon, and the atmospheric noise didn't seem to be as bad on the low bands during the peak of the cycle. I know we are still 4 to 5 years away from real solar enhancement, but I'm curious what effects it will have on 600, 1750, and 2200 meters. 600 meters will show the greatest effects I'm sure. I wonder how it might affect 1750 meter beacons ??? Right now, we can't seem to " Hear or see " beacons 200 to 400 miles away, so if the band conditions change to closer in, is it possible that we might begin to actually Hear some of the closer in beacons ?? If it gets to the point that beacons become audible on 1750 meters, operators might be able to have actual CW QSO's with each other. That would be fantastic as operators could program their beacons for CW mode, where current conditions allow only for SLLOOOOWWW mode operation if you have any hope of being " Seen " but not heard. Just my rambling thoughts today; *** 73 everyone *** Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29866 KHz ( QRSS-60 ) Coordinates: N: 35* 43' 54" - W: 84* 3' 16" http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr http://webpages.charter.net/ku4xr/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.14]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE023-5ea84b3335e23c4; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 04:35:30 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5B2B0380000A8; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 04:35:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNk5X-0007Y0-Bn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:34:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNk5W-0007Xr-Sj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:34:30 +0000 Received: from 94-193-52-114.zone7.bethere.co.uk ([94.193.52.114] helo=randomtask.saturley.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNk5T-0002XZ-RX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:34:30 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (randomtask.saturley.net [192.168.1.1]) by randomtask.saturley.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20408300E1 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:34:05 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4B3335E2.2030804@junkshifta.co.uk> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:35:30 +0000 From: Simon Newhouse User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-RandomTask-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RandomTask-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-4.399, required 4, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-MailScanner-From: simon@junkshifta.co.uk X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: saq Christmas transmission Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410e4b3335e21a73 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Thanks hugely ! Lee Hudson wrote: > Hi Simon, LF Group > > Just put this recording on the web of the SAQ transmision. > Not as good as the ones earlier in the month. > > http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/SAQ%2020091224%200800utc%20Message.MP3 > > 73, > Lee M0LMH. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Simon Newhouse > Sent: 24 December 2009 08:41 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: saq Christmas transmission > > > Hello group, > > Has anyone made a recording of the SAQ broadcast this morning ? I > thought I had got it only to find that the soft ware was only recording > up to 5khz GRRRRRrrr.. That'll teach me to check my settings. Any way > the idea was to decode it at my leisure as I'm just learning morse. > > If any one has a recording that they could post to me I'd be very greatful. > > Thanks in advance. > > > Simon > > M0NWY. > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.117/2583 - Release Date: 12/23/09 > 19:02:00 > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de12.mx.aol.com (rly-de12.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.148]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE034-51a4b224d2b2f2; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:46:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE121-51a4b224d2b2f2; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:46:21 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ5oQ-0007Sc-HG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:45:38 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ5oQ-0007ST-3p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:45:38 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ5oO-0000CB-Eo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:45:38 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id B217651C00B for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:45:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C23EF3862 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:45:26 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:45:50 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe References: <1260444821.6353.65.camel@vaio3rd> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20091211134526.9C23EF3862@smtps02.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Stefan, if output power is constant and the noise (at RX) is uniform then the SNR is directly related to the RX bandwidth, what must be at least equal to the useful bandwidth of the TX signal. The required bandwidth for QRSS30 (0.033Hz) is ten times smaller than for QRSS3 (0.33Hz), so QRSS30 should have a 10dB better SNR. QRSS10 (bandwidth 0.1Hz) is about 5dB better tha QRSS3 and 5dB worse than QRSS30. The above also assumes that both RX and TX stability are sufficient. Have a look at http://www.qsl.net/on7yd/136narro.htm Another limit is the "stability" of the ionosphere, causing doppler effect and thus limiting the minimal bandwidth. Most of the time on 137kHz one can go as slow as QRSS120, but at 10MHz QRSS10 is the limit. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 13:29 11/12/2009, you wrote: >Dear LF, >Does anybody know about the "gain" between QRSS3 and QRSS10 or >QRSS30? I mean, if the noise in both cases is equal, how much can I >reduce my tx pwr when switching from qrss3 to qrss10? Or isn't it >possible to give such a relation? >And: Was there ever a TA QSO in QRSS3? >I am new on the reflector, sri ;-) > >Stefan / DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (rly-mg06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.112]) by air-mg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG023-a1c4b2aa9343d4; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:57:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG066-a1c4b2aa9343d4; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:57:09 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLOGk-0002OU-H1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:52:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLOGk-0002OL-5X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:52:22 +0000 Received: from mail-pz0-f177.google.com ([209.85.222.177]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLOJD-0007QS-4L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:54:57 +0000 Received: by pzk7 with SMTP id 7so4840065pzk.30 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:55:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=HBxC1sfN/LWCZogc4UdOty2dFJtLaxlHbz5x4TB+EIk=; b=NWrGhSYrseY6jeNXUSx+4c5z9IpgrDv0vjSjDP4nQvDCo35L1Zt7b3apCJSpCDxnAI HkN7/rnY9UD8zHTIKht02d/5kdS93PwE9XcDI2C2QBPc8LaoeC+zUr0XYWScj3zrEkGK po6VbcnxINSYQTy2SuHJXTzPqSMCvE5VJPCDs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=HviTINU5y1NsixNqw/P3xnVDoMIc3OwbuRVPQg4czWl7yplHRN4iQGsZ49Kuz8gCRr m4cM0X7s5Qu58bkVBQQ4+3jRUPOKNvEFHhks62mjcnjc9DyFDN1r97SAN+hUeetDhFp6 cDwUuBPU+Y1OJ/AN0UWf/W96Wb81/9jSkavAM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.131.12 with SMTP id i12mr2095711rvn.171.1261086918399; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:55:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:55:18 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ae458d3f9f72dce7 Message-ID: <1f0624b90912171355i60641f8fnb3d0d84d1f446aff@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: Rsgb_Lf_Group X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: G4WGT Grabbers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325553e7acd5715047af3ad1b X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m262.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000325553e7acd5715047af3ad1b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi All, There seems to be a problem with my ISP's webspace server, I can't get access to my web site files or ftp uploads for the grabbers. So unfortunately no grabber uploads until the service problem is resolved. Grabber uploads will start as soon as possible when the service is back again. 73 Gary - G4WGT. --000325553e7acd5715047af3ad1b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All,

There seems to be a problem with my ISP's= webspace server, I can't get access to my web site files or ftp uploa= ds for the grabbers.

So unfortunately no grabber= uploads until the service problem is resolved.

Grabber uploads will start as soon as possible when th= e service is back again.

73

<= div>Gary - G4WGT.
--000325553e7acd5715047af3ad1b-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df11.mx.aol.com (rly-df11.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.24]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF011-5884b16a42f2cc; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:30:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df11.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF111-5884b16a42f2cc; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:30:29 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFt1D-0005re-80 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:29:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFt1C-0005rV-Rp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:29:34 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFt1B-0007TV-QY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:29:34 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so427584bwz.4 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:29:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=5Dkl0NrwO6jGZPBzd7nMoO0jCZRGHwJv4NHCNr2tjfI=; b=NPMu+y/EcXVAHKlWlz6eO70dVXbLOh4eBwuFI6IB/yCD7YAOAIrm4ry0TCIgQ1BzlB ae6URt4nCPpJz5z00Hj8qx9qGQieVNwCuHgTpLtWCSFS1f/jDERY6kxloep+RZMnak/w d00U0te2nEDE0zvKbe4Ou2FefWhGitFpYyJQ8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=sSshEwAzqoGQ3M1kOqAvezKY//or8On4Rr4A458WTXZwVB/3S4KKFterc9VIvZ6H5f I5WnaOgB0VHg/Qb5RTaqV2IDAS7NGQwUCkx2kPSfX894v1OGO/YWurr2Z3eYAks1O64d oKHiiIGAXahVOj/AuDPwoqsKBjT8xAWp5k5Ns= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.25.76 with SMTP id y12mr462541bkb.13.1259774967017; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:29:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:29:26 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2640912020929k28ed644dl8f58ace35432e49@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500kHz WSPR (last time before trying 136kHz WSPR) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555a7ea67f37e0479c23795 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d294.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555a7ea67f37e0479c23795 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This evening I'm TXing on 500kHz WSPR (1mW ERP) and would appreciate reports. Tomorrow I plan to modify the TX PA and ATU for some 136KHz WSPR tests (<<1mW ERP) over the weekend. 73s Roger G3XBM -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555a7ea67f37e0479c23795 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This evening I'm TXing on 500kHz WSPR (1mW ERP) and would appreciate= reports.

Tomorrow I plan to modify the TX PA and ATU for some 136= KHz WSPR tests (<<1mW ERP) over the weekend.

73s
Roger G3X= BM

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--00032555a7ea67f37e0479c23795-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da08.mx.aol.com (rly-da08.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.82]) by air-da04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA043-a884b20e5ca33; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:13:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA088-a884b20e5ca33; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:12:59 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIhrz-00028F-Jn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:11:43 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIhrz-000286-3i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:11:43 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIhrx-0008JE-In for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:11:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 3645 invoked by uid 507); 10 Dec 2009 13:11:26 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2009 13:11:26 +0100 Message-ID: <200912101311320337.00F58B02@smtp2.numeo.fr> In-Reply-To: <150809.55455.qm@web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <150809.55455.qm@web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:11:32 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Geneva and WRC-12 Agenda Items Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I believe (though I can't find the reference) that someone in France made= an informal enquiry - not via REF) about the equivalent of an NoV for 500= . The reply translated as "that part of the spectrum is not allocation to= the amateur service". F5VLF *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 10/12/2009 at 03:27 M0FMT wrote: >FYI=A0 ??=20 >"There is opposition to this proposal, primarily from the maritime servic= e >via the International Maritime Organisation and this has led to France >presenting a paper under agenda item 1.10 that suggests a use for the ban= d >495-505 kHz using datamodes.=A0=A0This was in response to papers from Can= ada >and the UK that proposed a secondary amateur band between 493 and 510(515= ) >kHz.=A0=A0There appears to be no commercial or technical reasoning behind= this >paper and it is suspected to be based on emotive grounds >only.=A0=A0Nevertheless agenda item 1.23 still requires a lot more suppor= t if >it is going to be successful."=20 >73 petefmt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de11.mx.aol.com (rly-de11.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.147]) by air-de06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE062-5104b2d662127; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:48:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de11.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE111-5104b2d662127; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:47:47 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NM8wS-000480-6J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 23:42:32 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NM8wR-00047r-Nr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 23:42:31 +0000 Received: from mailout.toya.net.pl ([217.113.224.27] ident=postfix) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NM90b-0007P0-VW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 23:46:52 +0000 Received: from mail.toya.net.pl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A95A2000005E for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 00:46:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (unknown [10.11.152.246]) (Authenticated sender: unimlyn) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2460F20000050 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 00:46:49 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B2D65E8.3030602@toya.net.pl> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 00:46:48 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?UGlvdHIgTcWCeW5hcnNraQ==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1261259479.2447.5.camel@gerhard-desktop> In-Reply-To: <1261259479.2447.5.camel@gerhard-desktop> X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Beaconing Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080106050505010602030802" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------080106050505010602030802 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gerhard Hickl wrote: >Hello group! > >I'm going to transmit a beacon for several hours this night. Text is "H" >on 136.318, speed is QRSS90. > >Ossi, OE5ODL is transmitting his "5" a few cps above. > >We both use roughly 50W antenna input. > > > Dear Gerhard, LF Group i've set up ad hoc my RX loop which "sits " on my balcony. It is not the best place for an antenna ( not to mention city center) but i saw definitely a 90 sec dot on the screen so maybe it will provide you with some info upon prop this night the sound card is not calibrated so do not be surprised by a 1Hz or 2 offset with respect to your tx qrg. I set Argo speed as 60 sec dot just to see more spectrum and possibly two stations ( i do not know the exact qrg of Ossi, OE5ODL) I have set the refresh rate of the grabber as 10 minutes and you can see all of this at: http://www.toya.net.pl/~mlynarski Yours, Piotr, sq7mpj qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ p.s. will leave the grabber running through the night --------------080106050505010602030802 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gerhard Hickl wrote: 
Hello group!

I'm going to transmit a beacon for several hours this night. Text is "H"
on 136.318, speed is QRSS90.

Ossi, OE5ODL is transmitting his "5" a few cps above.

We both use roughly 50W antenna input.

Dear Gerhard,=C2=A0 LF Group
i've set up=C2=A0 ad hoc=C2=A0 my RX loop which=C2=A0 "sits "=C2=A0= on my balcony. It is not the best place for an antenna ( not to mention city center)
but=C2=A0 i saw definitely=C2=A0 a 90 sec dot=C2=A0 on the screen so maybe= it=C2=A0 will provide you with some info upon prop this night
the sound card is not=C2=A0 calibrated so do not be surprised by=C2=A0 a= 1Hz or 2=C2=A0 offset=C2=A0 with respect to your tx qrg. I set=C2=A0 Argo speed= as 60 sec dot
=C2=A0just to see more spectrum and possibly=C2=A0 two stations ( i do not= know the exact qrg of Ossi, OE5ODL)=C2=A0 I have set=C2=A0 the refresh rate of= the grabber
as 10 minutes=C2=A0 and you can see all of this at:
=C2=A0http://www.toya.net.pl/~mlynarski

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Yours, Piotr, sq7mpj

qth: Lodz /jo91rs/

p.s. will=C2=A0 leave the grabber running through the night
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--------------080106050505010602030802-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb07.mx.aol.com (rly-mb07.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.165]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB052-d174b1fadca9a; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:01:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB073-d174b1fadca9a; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:01:48 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIN5v-0001m5-JH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:00:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIN5v-0001lw-88 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:00:43 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate05.web.de ([217.72.192.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIN5u-00036u-Fl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:00:43 +0000 Received: from web.de by fmmailgate05.web.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 08D1A5CE3B9E for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:00:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from [88.76.59.99] by freemailng2503.web.de with HTTP; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:00:31 +0100 Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:00:31 +0100 Message-Id: <1527929966@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?iso-8859-15?Q?Horst_St=F6cker?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-Provags-Id: V01U2FsdGVkX18QB+OcCgW6VrubcQL0F31b3jMR33ZXb/GhA6FlPimWQHtE3 S53enVLq3v/zX3v6KgFr1fwVuKM/DvAMV2hbnMa4W1d9JeDt7qMbdP7Um1yY w== X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: RE: LF: SAQ Testing Now Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Now signals on SAQ-Frequency again . . . ______________________________________________________ GRATIS f=FCr alle WEB.DE-Nutzer: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://movieflat.web.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da09.mx.aol.com (rly-da09.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.83]) by air-da07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA072-a8c4b2cda393a8; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:51:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA094-a8c4b2cda393a8; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:50:51 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLzdD-0001nM-Ls for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:46:03 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLzdD-0001nD-AK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:46:03 +0000 Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net ([207.115.11.54]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLzh8-0004Mz-RL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:50:09 +0000 Received: from [10.0.252.100] (166-82-181-251.stanlynet.org?[166.82.181.251]) by worldnet.att.net (frfwmhc04) with ESMTP id <20091219134959H0400skchie>; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:50:00 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [166.82.181.251] Message-ID: <4B2CDA00.6080504@att.net> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:49:52 -0500 From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX User-Agent: Messenger 9.0a1 (Windows/20071115) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <346854e9698cbf94f4483c66682bb63b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=CELL_PHONE_BOOST autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) James Moritz wrote: > I think the role of the ground with active whips is often neglected - > the output of the whip preamp is the voltage differential between the > whip element and the circuit ground, so the ground connection is just as > much part of the antenna as the whip element itself is. Clearly, an > electrically quiet ground is needed for the active whip, whether this is > provided by the coax feeder or a separate local ground connection. Years ago I built a simple MPF-102 active whip into a gutted VHF coil enclosure of a NMO mobile antenna. I quickly noticed the antenna performed much better when mounted on a vehicle roof than when mounted on a mast. Even when the whip was elevated up to 10 meters above the vehicle the roof mount received much better. As for the optical link, I attempted to link a remote VLF-3 by IR back to the shack. I never got that to work very well but I feel sure someone that knows what they are doing could perfect it. Dex From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (rly-dc09.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.38]) by air-dc10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC104-b414b355c2b196; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 19:43:30 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC095-b414b355c2b196; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 19:43:25 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOKjG-0003yq-Bu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 00:41:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOKjF-0003yh-PA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 00:41:57 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOKjD-0003Ut-MI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 00:41:57 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBQ0fsaL032002 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 01:41:54 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 01:41:49 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 01:41:49 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACFD@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: RE: /P (?) DFCW on 137 Thread-Index: AcqFkjGGCbtZHXZWR8iR2pquciL9bgAKIEgQAAJae6A= From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.646;25.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.26.3032 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA85C4.33CDF4C5" Subject: LF: WG: RE: /P (?) DFCW on 137 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA85C4.33CDF4C5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF group,=20 I wish all of you a merry Christmas! Thanks to all who gave me a call this evening!=20 Special thanks to Andrej/EW6GB, G3XIZ and IK1HSS! Sorry for the bad rprts= and my QRM. Andrej, sorry I have seen the W6GB, the E was missed in the= qrm. I have thought W6 (USA) that cannot be possible and so I thought the= first dot of the w was qrm and assumed it is M6... I did not come to the= idea that it could be EW, just after the QSO ;-) I am very sorry.=20 But: Things will be better and better. I had big problems with QRM, again.= But during the QSOs I found, that the active antenna is STRONGLY influenc= ed by the TX antenna. I will give a report about that (probably tomorrow).= So, now I know how to make things better the next time.=20 In my last /p activity I had no cpi of your signals and today we got the= first qso, that's a success! And during the call of G3XIZ I got your sign= al even in QRSS3 with M. There are some pics (inverted dashes and dots for the DFCW pics since I re= ceive in the USB (30m band with a LF+10MHz converter) and much QRG drift= in QRSS10 due to the high temperature difference when opening the car doo= r and/or switching on the heater) of the QSOs, with strong QRM by DCF39 bu= t as I said, now I know what to do next :-) 73, 55 and hpe cuagn this year! 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post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG056-a144b20337710d; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:32:09 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIW0C-0006aJ-Lf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:31:24 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIW0C-0006aA-3Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:31:24 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIW0A-0004CJ-1M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:31:24 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3521.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A6D811C000B2 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:31:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3521.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 99A311C000B8 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:31:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.5.59]) by mwinf3521.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 56ED01C000B2 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:31:16 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20091209233116356.56ED01C000B2@mwinf3521.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <20250.29213.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20250.29213.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 23:31:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<< Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Alan, If you saw the 70 MHz wspr tests I did with Gary last year .. I don't think frequency stability is a issue with Joe's software ! In test's on 500 over the years, the original MFSK system out performed the other systems tested , olivia came a close second, but needs a linear system due to the envelope shaping ..pity as the receive software has the ability to seek and decode the signal ... still waiting for some one to add a real arq function to one of the modern data packages, but 'they' all seem to be locked into a disaster email delivery system's .. what a disaster for the casual chatter ....... not that some of 'us' have not sent error corrected emails on 500 .. sorry could not resist it :) Im not involved with Rogers project as such , other than I was looking through the back posts to the ref and noticed the reference to 'wspr' ,the files are uploaded to the uk500khz group, but I notice there is not a 'G3XBM' page .. that may be a useful addition to link the files together ... 73 - G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "ALAN MELIA" Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:32 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<< > > Sounds good Roger and Graham... what it the stability like the problem > with transverters/upconverters normally is that while ok for some modes > they are often not stable enough for the very weak signal modes. These > are modes where you need to know the frequency of a station very > accurately because you will not hear it, or it will only pop above the > noise for short periods. > > Alan G3NYK > > > --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Graham wrote: > >> From: Graham >> Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<< >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 22:13 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> All >> >> This latest >> addition to the >> HF / MF tx convertor opens the door >> to data >> communications on 500 ... ranging from >> 'all' the K1JT systems >> through to the single carrier >> multi tone >> systems of >> MFSK , DOMINO and THOR .. even >> the almost >> forgotten Amtor-arq and Packtor modes , anyone >> still have >> there pk232 >> >> listed are >> data modes that may be used with >> non-linear systems :- >> >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/meat-grinder-comms >> >> G.. >> >> >> >> >> From: Roger >> Lapthorn >> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 12:20 AM >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> >> >> Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX >> transverter >> >> Dear All, >> >> My WSPR tx up-converter has now been modified to >> a full TX/RX tranverter suitable for WSPR, QRSS and >> CW in a >> very simple way, making use of the FT817 split >> facility which allows you >> to RX on 500kHz and TX on 28MHz. By adding a series LC >> between the TX PA and the >> FT817 input/output RF connection (with back-to-back diodes >> at the L and C >> junction, this allows "pass through" from the >> 500kHz ATU to the FT817 on RX >> (tuned to 500kHz). On TX, the diodes conduct and the C part >> is in parallel with >> the first cap in the TX low pass filter. This scheme is now >> working really well >> with good RX sensitivity and no change in TX power out. >> >> Schematic of the >> transverter is on my blog at http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >> . My >> attempt to add it as an attachment to an email here earlier >> failed. >> >> This more or less concludes my 500kHz experimenting, apart >> from >> getting a few more CW QSOs in the log. It's been great >> fun all the way with lots >> of support from folks here. I was going to try 136kHz, but >> think I will now give >> this a miss for now. >> >> 73s >> Roger G3XBM >> -- >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >> G3XBM >> GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >> >> >> >> >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (rly-dc06.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.35]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC022-b284b197bb8230; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:15:02 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC064-b284b197bb8230; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:14:33 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGfT8-0002LW-FJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:13:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGfT7-0002LN-Vg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:13:37 +0000 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGfT7-0007VI-0T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:13:37 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AngFAO8JGUtOlOfC/2dsb2JhbACCJirUHoQzBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,344,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="290382234" Received: from unknown (HELO TraceyPC) ([78.148.231.194]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Dec 2009 21:13:15 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Tracey Gardner" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB4A@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB4A@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 21:13:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Active Antenna Preamp of Bernd/DF8ZR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0129_01CA7526.9796A600" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0129_01CA7526.9796A600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The URL is an invalid one Tracey ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 5:51 PM Subject: LF: Active Antenna Preamp of Bernd/DF8ZR Hi Lowfers,=20 Now, Bernd has posted the circuit of his preamp for active antennas:= http://www.mydarc.de/df8zr/lf-active-antenna.pdf=20 It's nothing fundamental new. But it's just working very fine, with= an overvoltage shielded input. DLF (153kHz) gets attenuated by abt 40= dB, compared to the sigs in the wanted frequency range. Gain is abt 23= dB. It was published in summer 2003 in the CQDL.=20 73, Stefan ------=_NextPart_000_0129_01CA7526.9796A600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Hi Lo= wfers,=20

 

Now,=20 Bernd has posted the circuit of his preamp for active antennas:=20 http://www.mydarc.de/df8zr/lf-active-antenna.pdf<= /A>=20

 

It=92s=20 nothing fundamental new. But it=92s just working very fine, with an= overvoltage=20 shielded input. DLF (153kHz) gets attenuated by abt 40dB, compared= to the sigs=20 in the wanted frequency range. Gain is abt 23dB. It was published in= summer=20 2003 in the CQDL=85

 

73,=20 Stefan

------=_NextPart_000_0129_01CA7526.9796A600-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md04.mx.aol.com (rly-md04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.142]) by air-md03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD031-8ff4b212850da; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:57:04 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD047-8ff4b212850da; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:56:49 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NImIq-0003N4-Mt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:55:44 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NImIq-0003Mv-3z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:55:44 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NImIo-0001th-HZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:55:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 4118 invoked by uid 507); 10 Dec 2009 17:55:17 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2009 17:55:17 +0100 Message-ID: <200912101755280320.01F97E11@smtp2.numeo.fr> References: <170190.60453.qm@web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <200912101715590351.01D55848@smtp2.numeo.fr> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:55:28 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Fwd: Re: LF: Geneva and WRC-12 Agenda Items Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=LINES_OF_YELLING, LINES_OF_YELLING_2 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Sorry, Pete and LF. Meant to send direct to FMT. John F5VLF *********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** On 10/12/2009 at 17:15 John RABSON wrote: >Hi Pete, > >It arrived yesterday, just as I was taking my XYL out to celebrate our >wedding anniversary. I have now unpacked the parcel. =20 > >Many thanks for all your efforts. I have subscribed to the soft rock >Yahoo group and realise I have a lot to learn. =20 > >Cheque sent to you (Oh dear! that sounds like "our cheque is in the >post"). > >73 >John > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > >On 10/12/2009 at 06:54 M0FMT wrote: > >>Hi John >>=A0 >>Have you received my parcel yet,=A0with the soft rock ? >>=A0 >>73 petefmt > > > > > > *********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (rly-dc09.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.38]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC063-b444b34e1c79b; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:01:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC098-b444b34e1c79b; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:01:13 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOCZr-0002rf-1t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:59:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOCZq-0002rW-JV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:59:42 +0000 Received: from mail-yx0-f203.google.com ([209.85.210.203]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOCZn-0001XX-Rq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:59:42 +0000 Received: by yxe41 with SMTP id 41so30048276yxe.30 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 07:59:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=nqtNrbHej40oSmM23qGFtCMNeewadYWCSIYishHHIxo=; b=ENRAYG/IqZ/R8oq0P/kHdMJAw4cQ7HHyvB82cLMLm//rZVKIYAEOp7nAvKXoJYd3JB oaC5/C5PBBJLuBQL9NT3y6iFFblxke0URy3Nby+oc5oYiPv8UQ7zxrHWEABPyli5ky8R he1XgNMzxKMz7e8+izMPqHLr7a11G/XDxkR0A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=x9o5uVxpAUWwhI1Mn711ldIFvYwmgMhj7wrhxT76NC6MBEhro+UjmSrbkOwWdnJ8zt 37Vnbpuw8cSZSltMA4SjG1lqt9Ga+2N/PiP60VnetW7uLNXDPb/DyngWNbcN/oUB3F1t 2pfdDlR4wLL55N7qqq/f9E0SmpVS+AbH4NKQk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.119.12 with SMTP id r12mr13607750ybc.272.1261756772584; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 07:59:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B348883.1090304@online.fr> References: <80706327FC9F4856B3D4088340FE0D71@ns94d01ae4d850> <4B348883.1090304@online.fr> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:59:32 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca70912250759n4d455c7dnc71382013a43f861@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: Re: LF: XGJ last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d258.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Thank you Jean-Pierre! 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LF,

I was receiving good signals from OH1TN las= t night:
2250 Z  - 137.7 kHz  -  DFCW(3)  - 'O'&nbs= p; -  in IO 92 UB

I replied to his CQ's but my aerial current= was low due to snow.

73

Chris G3XIZ



--0-1935801103-1261299240=:9903-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME073-9c94b39e9c1163; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 06:36:48 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME075-9c94b39e9c1163; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 06:36:35 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPaMN-0008T0-92 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:35:31 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPaMM-0008Sr-Nr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:35:30 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s13.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.23]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPaMK-0008FB-OS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:35:30 +0000 Received: from COL122-W15 ([65.55.34.8]) by col0-omc1-s13.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 29 Dec 2009 03:35:19 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:35:19 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1BCA5076F8C144B0957BD8853BEA599A@LAPTOP> References: <1BCA5076F8C144B0957BD8853BEA599A@LAPTOP> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2009 11:35:19.0555 (UTC) FILETIME=[FFFBA530:01CA887A] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_45e1b940-ada3-4b81-9a7f-547b48b776ee_" Subject: RE: LF: Stations on 505kHz last night. X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_45e1b940-ada3-4b81-9a7f-547b48b776ee_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Michael, LF! OK, DI2AM is on 505.180kHz. I don=B4t know, who is on 505,030kHz, but my= beacon OK0EMW is on 505,060kHz. It transmit a text:=20 "Beacon OK0EMW JN88KS" . These letters "KS" might be "XS", which you liste= ned. You can try to listen my beacon signal next night. 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS From: misan@xs4all.nl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 09:07:43 +0100 Subject: LF: Stations on 505kHz last night. To DI2AM and all LF =20 Good morning all, also copied by ear two=20 transmissions just above 505kHz last night. =20 29-12-2009 00:50utc 505.20kHz DI2AM, QRSS3 and=20 plain CW. 29-12-2009 01:00utc 505.03kHz QRSS3? and plan CW=20 ...XS...? =20 Please confirm DI2AM is ok and give a=20 clue who could be the other station. =20 Kind Regards, =20 Michael (Mike) / PC4M =20 =20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9= =ED informace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_45e1b940-ada3-4b81-9a7f-547b48b776ee_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Michael, LF!
OK, DI2AM is on 505.180kHz. I don=B4t know, who is= on 505,030kHz, but my beacon OK0EMW is on 505,060kHz. It transmit a text:=
"Beacon OK0EMW JN88KS" . These letters "KS" might be "XS", which you= listened.  You can try to listen my beacon signal next night.
73!=
Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

From: misan@xs4al= l.nl
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 09:07:4= 3 +0100
Subject: LF: Stations on 505kHz last night.

To DI2AM and all LF
 
Good morning all, also copied by ear= two=20 transmissions just above 505kHz last night.
 
29-12-2009 00:50utc 505.20kHz DI2AM,= QRSS3 and=20 plain CW.
29-12-2009 01:00utc 505.03kHz QRSS3?= and plan CW=20 ...XS...?
 
Please confirm DI2AM is ok = and give a=20 clue who could be the other station.
 
Kind Regards,
 
Michael (Mike) / PC4M
 
 
 
=
Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten= prav=FD? Da= l=B9=ED informace. =3D --_45e1b940-ada3-4b81-9a7f-547b48b776ee_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.222]) by air-de06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE063-5eb84b3939ac8a; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:05:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3A81E380000A5; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:05:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPOdP-0007Gp-MU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:04:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPOdP-0007Gg-7Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:04:19 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.30]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPOdN-0000VL-Gd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:04:19 +0000 Received: from LAPTOP (a83-163-2-28.adsl.xs4all.nl [83.163.2.28]) by smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id nBSN48QN090102 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 00:04:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from misan@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: From: "M. Sanders" To: References: <00b501ca8810$5d64ecb0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 00:03:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: 502,55 kHz tonight. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA881A.5961CF70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60de4b3939ab276f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA881A.5961CF70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal, Tnx for confirmation, 73's Mike/PC4M ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 11:51 PM Subject: LF: Re: 502,55 kHz tonight. Michael Cfm your report. QRL at present with XGR/6=20 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M. Sanders=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 10:41 PM Subject: LF: 502,55 kHz tonight. To All LF / G3KEV? Tonight started listening on 600m and copied slow CW by ear (compu= ter psu still makes to much noise on 500kHz) 502,55kHz 22:27UTC: G3KEV XGR Please confirm transmission so I'll know I am on the right track= improving my station Rx for 500kHz. Kind regards, best 73's, Michael, PC4M ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA881A.5961CF70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mal,
Tnx for confirmation,
73's Mike/PC4M
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Monday, December 28, 20= 09 11:51=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: 502,55 kHz= =20 tonight.

Michael
Cfm your report.
QRL at present with XGR/6
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M. Sand= ers
Sent: Monday, December 28,= 2009 10:41=20 PM
Subject: LF: 502,55 kHz ton= ight.

To All LF / G3KEV?
 
Tonight started listening on 600m= and copied=20 slow CW by ear (computer psu still makes to much&nb= sp;noise=20 on 500kHz)
 
 
502,55kHz 22:27UTC: G3KEV XG= R
 
Please confirm transmission so I'= ll know I am=20 on the right track improving my station Rx for 500kHz.
 
Kind regards, best 73's,
 
Michael, PC4M
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA881A.5961CF70-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df04.mx.aol.com (rly-df04.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.17]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF032-5484b191a8f25c; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:20:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF047-5484b191a8f25c; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:20:01 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGYzg-00076o-HH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:18:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGYze-00076f-Eo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:18:46 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGYzb-0004hl-3B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:18:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 6778 invoked by uid 507); 4 Dec 2009 15:18:13 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 15:18:13 +0100 Message-ID: <200912041518200592.0F1EF600@smtp2.numeo.fr> In-Reply-To: <4B18F629.8050606@usa.net> References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B16987B.9000002@usa.net> <4B179DE6.3050608@usa.net> <20091203194531.or926chzk844g4k8@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <4B183595.5060800@usa.net> <4B18C0F9.8060202@telia.com> <4B18F629.8050606@usa.net> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 15:18:20 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On 04/12/2009 at 12:44 Alberto di Bene wrote: >Correct... so to reduce the variance, what would be needed is a much >greater number >of samples so to average out the statistical fluctuations... hmmm, not to= o >bad a task... :-) > >73 Alberto I2PHD And several participants, so as to cancel observer effects. Perhaps sched= ule tests for RSGB convention or Bodenseetreffen? 73 John F5VLF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (rly-dg01.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.85]) by air-dg03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG034-59e4b21de6b157; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:54:48 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG013-59e4b21de6b157; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:54:38 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIxCN-0004Fx-TC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 04:33:47 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIxBZ-0004Fo-4D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 04:32:57 +0000 Received: from defout.telus.net ([199.185.220.240]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIxBX-0005AI-1n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 04:32:57 +0000 Received: from edtnaa02.telusplanet.net ([75.157.163.71]) by priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091211042752.PUNE760.priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net@edtnaa02.telusplanet.net> for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:27:52 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.67] (d75-157-163-71.bchsia.telus.net [75.157.163.71]) by edtnaa02.telusplanet.net (BorderWare Security Platform) with ESMTP id 6CACA3F0EFAE8941 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:27:52 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <4B21CA48.8060108@telus.net> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 04:27:52 +0000 From: Scott Tilley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <20091210100700.32DEC31E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <1260444821.6353.65.camel@vaio3rd> <1260449921.6353.77.camel@vaio3rd> In-Reply-To: <1260449921.6353.77.camel@vaio3rd> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AW: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Rick Please try for a time before and during my sunrise. You may be surprises. Very good LF condx right now. 73 Scott Rick Wakatori wrote: > Hi Laurence and the others, > OKay. I will operate QRSS60 at 137780Hz as long as possible on 13th > December. My antenna at there will be much suitable than usual. > 73, Rick > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf01.mx.aol.com (rly-mf01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.171]) by air-mf04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF041-93d4b34030fd3; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:11:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF013-93d4b34030fd3; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:10:56 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNxkI-0001D3-Db for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 00:09:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNxkH-0001Cu-TO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 00:09:29 +0000 Received: from smtp6.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.190]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNxkF-0006KG-Cv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 00:09:29 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3633.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9FF7D7000087 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 01:09:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3633.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 934A9700008C for ; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 01:09:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.37.58]) by mwinf3633.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 53B377000087 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 01:09:21 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20091225000921342.53B377000087@mwinf3633.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <0D08CCFE529844B3B524BF1DAD1A0F1D@AGB> From: "Graham" To: Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 00:09:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: G3XIZ qrs at top of the band ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0087_01CA84F6.7BC4B270" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01CA84F6.7BC4B270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looks like G3XIZ running qrs at the top of the band .. not showin= g as qrs on the wspr display .. can be seen on=20 http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/ ? G ,,=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01CA84F6.7BC4B270 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Looks  like G3XIZ running = qrs at=20 the  top  of the  band .. not showing as qrs on the&nbs= p; wspr=20 display .. can be seen on
http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/ ?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0087_01CA84F6.7BC4B270-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me02.mx.aol.com (rly-me02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.35]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME013-9a34b1ad2fb3ae; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 16:39:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME027-9a34b1ad2fb3ae; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 16:39:08 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NH2KU-0008AE-74 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 21:38:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NH2KT-0008A5-Ps for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 21:38:13 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NH2KT-0005DS-0P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 21:38:13 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so667502pxi.30 for ; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 13:38:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=B+WeAtyNwSKCOILf/3t5bs60siTyvx2HYxJqzT1rPbY=; b=GIYt6SjYaQ3gMnboXGC8tdcXvccWE0ADc2ApJabkiqVdPWJJSR0Jb9JVLxkGD0XRIo OfCCIMvAhimQar9wMTk43fHKdhOmFttuvG2E60FiCuahAxuFtLHBfJFuwO5KtuDtgvaI F6XhwQS/OpCZYfi/tqQKb/Q7LsCkj7aQPZDVk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=xvLeqRQ4qnDBA6d2IjGuM2uYKSaIyh2Ht+8YH90tcB5rOlO4nPDCnaEAQHDMvjTXFQ 8xlWqr2ArokIQ1nKgFFLJtL+gnqX+vmwnth0HG6eOYmKZi4tBqgARyciR8n+UNvw6VRe 6hYNkROZyc1ywaGXnjeJyjBJDE5jZcmt0WqCs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.51.14 with SMTP id d14mr296926rvk.147.1260049085752; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 13:38:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20091205214737.ab07d9ds00s44sso@webmail6.kuleuven.be> References: <59DC6AF25071476FA37B42E3896BC627@radiorummet> <00aa01ca7548$de12ce70$0201a8c0@Clemens04> <9AF4BA15A6D94C3483BB006F4E38040B@radiorummet> <001a01ca758f$b9fba3d0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> <20091205214737.ab07d9ds00s44sso@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 21:38:05 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 77f38b346118fa15 Message-ID: <1f0624b90912051338t266765a3x2233faf64025e6a7@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz RTTY Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1505e27e728047a020a24 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d302.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1505e27e728047a020a24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Rik, Thanks for your report & comments. I enjoyed the QSO with Graham, I could also hear the CW you mention. Cheers, Gary - G4WGT. 2009/12/5 Rik Strobbe > Gary, Grahem, > > I followed your RTTY QSO (+/- 20:40 UTC) with almost perfect copy from both > station. > Even after a CW station started calling CQ about 200Hz up copy was still > good. RTTY 45dB/85Hz seems quite robust. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > --000e0cd1505e27e728047a020a24 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rik,

Thanks for your report & comments.

I enjoyed the QSO with Graham, I could also hear the CW= you mention.

Cheers,

Ga= ry - G4WGT.


2009/12/5 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.k= uleuven.be>
Gary, Grahem,

I followed your RTTY QSO (+/- 20:40 UTC) with almost perfect copy from bot= h station.
Even after a CW station started calling CQ about 200Hz up copy was still= good. RTTY 45dB/85Hz seems quite robust.

73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T


--000e0cd1505e27e728047a020a24-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md04.mx.aol.com (rly-md04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.142]) by air-md03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD033-8fb4b23a53ba3; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 09:14:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD043-8fb4b23a53ba3; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 09:14:21 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJShm-0000LT-MQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:12:18 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJShk-0000KX-Lt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:12:16 +0000 Received: from mx01.infotech.at ([213.174.240.1]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJR7B-0007Ek-Vo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:30:28 +0000 Received: from [213.174.255.45] by mx01.infotech.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJR7A-000534-8L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:30:24 +0100 Message-ID: <4B238CC9.9070108@inext.at> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:30:01 +0100 From: Oberreiter Oswald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001901ca7ab9$f82c4630$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <4B22D7EF.7070908@inext.at> <20091212105228.nhnn4kgtogw0w44s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20091212105228.nhnn4kgtogw0w44s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: ID of station on 137775.25? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) thank you rik! it was my first report from W i learnt a lot fore my lf works on youre homepage thanks again . 73 ossi oe5odl. Rik Strobbe schrieb: > Ossi, > > that was an audible copy here. > "AGC" was also O-copy a few Hz up. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting Oberreiter Oswald : > >> hallo jay thanks fere report was transmiting only my nr 5 5 5 5 5 ... >> 73 oe5odl ossi >> >> jrusgrove@comcast.net schrieb: >> Very strong copy of '5' earlier. Curious who this might be. >> >> Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 >> >> ________________________________ >> >> [cid:part1.09070409.07020909@inext.at] >> > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (rly-dg02.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.86]) by air-dg03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG033-5a64b20dd04216; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:35:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG021-5a64b20dd04216; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:35:34 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIhIG-0001ip-GY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:34:48 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIhIG-0001ig-3l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:34:48 +0000 Received: from web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.128]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIhIE-0007yf-5R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:34:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 92478 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Dec 2009 11:34:40 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1260444880; bh=WU5sgXrmK9E7UqQxFN5hf5s198PgqbO0HMobpepZjZA=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lkDzD/OB/4xMfQOFW//8MWoN3JAQTlDcxIXEhpZadcaLxwHjH0Q7H01YCJRw1FuOzjtjlTC/0MksxwV6SWHNd7gBpDeTjLgYUSIkbd2VaHJd3UN4He+9/h9+C0/kDgbgd5uhNCFXlSJCeVRxQoP7nG2VN7sVdu0l5pc0MxmogRc= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IL/j+uQIwRHKmUx/YL+56zezWMCzTKyUv/MMI1u1iLni7iei2+5FPUv/h4qYoO050iz3aHJa5NB3AZHuTXjAIUm0bbsbyUjrKWSf+gwyq4doJ2BWTcnseZ+m4+G5/24G6ERzbUpwZ/G64K8UVNe6ma24JaeLER4FP1JH7+WiPss=; Message-ID: <814295.92224.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 0yVjNp8VM1kVAh2sKYjAf3uxisSjFyeXaFcCHRcdobAD.xoWRhMhB56y43CUN7ZkeEi1k99NkIFKpaQutDYIrYkmWFH8tI2Eg5LTyR60mY8quiQ9V7fnikDn9zFbEQk9ItwIxNZDS7DmnB_WwtMktk1XCPOjwGA_nqLG2ghvhtZ1vugPXUXnk_PexmZZwJnZCG5Px_f4Pzg2z2QPy4qWxFphCp6IwHKDl9y.5kboi5Y_6s776sOrTeFFcDmgzxrWD6JIB5mnv9JsOuIXNVdnSn8d2V.YndcVUfSD5Afwdxnr74jD3AqjuzRreCmjkFYZMis- Received: from [213.122.53.240] by web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:34:40 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:34:40 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <20091210112926.9259131E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz in Holland Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m253.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass Hi Rik that sounds good it looks as though the "inertia" is slowly buildin= g up. Alan G3NYK --- On Thu, 10/12/09, Rik Strobbe wrote: > From: Rik Strobbe > Subject: LF: 500kHz in Holland > To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" > Date: Thursday, 10 December, 2009, 11:29 >=20 > =20 > Just read this on >=20 > http://www.iaru-r1.org/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&view=3Darticle&id= =3D180&Itemid=3D133 > : >=20 >=20 > Netherlands: Full licence amateurs > can opt for > an experimental permit to conduct experiments in the band > 501-504 kHz > with a maximum power of 5 W EIRP and a maximum bandwitdth > of 100 Hz. The > experiments will start on 1 January 2010 and will continue > for one year > maximum. >=20 >=20 > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T=20 >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md01.mx.aol.com (rly-md01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.139]) by air-md03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD031-8e54b266a01e8; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:38:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD015-8e54b266a01e8; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:38:26 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKDtw-0004br-9j for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:36:00 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKDtv-0004bi-US for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:35:59 +0000 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKDut-0006D9-CF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:37:01 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlAFAMH4JUtZ8INV/2dsb2JhbACIXtAUhCsEgWI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,395,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="211483127" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.240.131.85]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2009 16:36:58 +0000 Message-ID: <001401ca7cdb$a8639120$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000a01ca7cd5$f79adc40$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:36:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: DIODE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Tnx David for the info, yes they could be thyristors. I have a 96 and 98. If convenient give me the basic spec. They might even be duds !! They look hefty tnx ag mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pratt" To: Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 4:15 PM Subject: Re: LF: DIODE In a recent message, mal hamilton wrote ... >MF Grp >Does anyone have spec for a BTY 96 UM or BTY 98. Looks like a Big Amp >carrying device I have the data sheets for the BTY95 and BTY99 from the Mullard Technical Handbook, but they are Thyristors if that is a clue. 73 David G4DMP -- +- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | David M Pratt, Kippax, Leeds, UK | | http://www.g4dmp.co.uk | +- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (rly-mf02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.172]) by air-mf03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF031-94a4b198eb8335; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:35:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF028-94a4b198eb8335; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:35:38 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGgjT-0002zh-VJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:34:35 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGgjT-0002zY-Ef for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:34:35 +0000 Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca ([24.222.0.30]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGgjS-00013t-MF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:34:35 +0000 MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.68]) by mta03.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009)) with ESMTP id <0KU500DQFG1JCDQ1@mta03.eastlink.ca> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:34:32 -0400 (AST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnQGAK4cGUsY10KJ/2dsb2JhbACCJiqHKyuDeQbIWQqEKQQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,344,1257134400"; d="scan'208,217";a="680022154" Received: from blk-215-66-137.eastlink.ca (HELO backup) ([24.215.66.137]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:38:26 -0400 Message-id: <3052E5262F7E4B528B9BBC7C2DB030E2@backup> From: Vernon To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <008101ca752c$e6253790$6402a8c0@e7010> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:34:31 +0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_qR02C4+t3yAIYs8WD4UbuA)" Subject: LF: Monitoring WSPR...dial 502.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_60_70, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_qR02C4+t3yAIYs8WD4UbuA) Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Turn up the power :-) Try for Trans Atlantic Antenna - 750' unterminated wire orientated E/W RX - Icom R75 QTH - FN85ij 73 de Vernon - VE1VDM Onslow, Nova Scotia --Boundary_(ID_qR02C4+t3yAIYs8WD4UbuA) Content-Type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Turn up the power :-) Try for Trans Atlantic
 
Antenna - 750' unterminated wire orientated E/W
 
RX - Icom R75
 
QTH - FN85ij
 
73 de Vernon - VE1VDM
Onslow, Nova Scotia
--Boundary_(ID_qR02C4+t3yAIYs8WD4UbuA)-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me10.mx.aol.com (rly-me10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.44]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME034-9dd4b3496a82b5; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 05:40:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME101-9dd4b3496a82b5; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 05:40:42 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NO7Zy-0002AN-NK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:39:30 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NO7Zy-0002AE-3b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:39:30 +0000 Received: from smtp819.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.248]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NO7Zw-0006oA-3u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:39:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 34834 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2009 10:39:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=leNVI8f3ymGjYj184V2NVm8V8Lhn75kaVNfAfcmTu0BDBmqwNUSKP8ZfDyrXY+nhw85HoGw9iOpei/xKG9ZhYSw8ex3ijUuWSIOkjnUgTLUGnPiTl2csJ18egmWiTvC34pPYnObpXlRo6vDlId+UrlGcmi/SzGicuO43GTGT4hQ= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.179.135.6 with login) by smtp819.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2009 10:39:22 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: 4hjqJZkVM1nqzBgj3dr0s8J0mifP8N23tJVi5AZ9r9E9Hw2Rzqhz1gjFOEtc44cuWYOs97mNroppgMRbip9wOMueNbfXYTD3se8NuiiK4OGovNQbmeie2RgYpwQwpTMfl.Gv.o6Zoqe8egiYELBRfmTA6LiXWIegOuhElA5r3R83D71zPjOBjIl1nmK2n1YI4Dt_dYuU18tkTB60oxxddsahgTwYWN3QynxT6sNlXZjVaA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <6949F910A2A945058B164FC3443B420B@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:39:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Happy Christmas Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF Group, A very happy Christmas to all on the LF reflector! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma02.mx.aol.com (rly-ma02.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.46]) by air-ma03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA034-88f4b1d6d4b78; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:02:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA021-88f4b1d6d4b78; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:02:06 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHkhY-0003ee-H8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:01:00 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHkhY-0003eV-3h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:01:00 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHkhW-0002Au-JE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:01:00 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id C15107B8050 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:00:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D3531E702 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:00:46 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 5101F18056; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:00:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from 37.1-180-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (37.1-180-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [91.180.1.37]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 22:00:46 +0100 Message-ID: <20091207220046.49h1zwc3tw448s4s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 22:00:46 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <9afca2640912071058u8d99fbbp6c9464d698d6f0f7@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9afca2640912071058u8d99fbbp6c9464d698d6f0f7@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 91.180.1.37 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz CW CQ CQ.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Roger, I have been listeing but only heard GW3UEP on 501.5 I will give it another try at 21:30 UTC 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T PS: can you preeced your CQ by a 10 sec carrier or so? That would allow me to locate you with Argo. Quoting Roger Lapthorn : > I'm calling CQ on ~501.8kHz but getting no responses as yet.... > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD052-91c4b2fdace2d0; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:30:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD084-91c4b2fdace2d0; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:30:08 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMonE-0003TL-E7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:23:48 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMonD-0003TB-Vd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:23:48 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMosT-0005k8-27 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:29:13 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApAFAFppL0tOlqc1/2dsb2JhbACIXs1WgiWCCQQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,433,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="224160432" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.150.167.53]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2009 20:29:04 +0000 Message-ID: <002f01ca827c$3c8c3e60$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <001401ca8222$5ce76d10$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g><9afca2640912210535v7922b3d4ned743d26dfd2a412@mail.gmail.com><001701ca824a$904740e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <20091221165732.37blf9vaoosgkw0k@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <981F86FBB93F4C97BF472E9446BA1EA2@AGB> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:29:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF ACTY Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I have already worked the said station on CW, not a problem for me. Others with Asymetrical Ears or distorted polarisation of head might have a problem with qrp. g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" To: Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 4:18 PM Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF ACTY > So much for the EC10 hot radio then ? > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Rik Strobbe" > Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 3:57 PM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF ACTY > > > > > There is little challenge in copying the mentioned QRO stations, copying > > QRP stations is the real challenge. > > > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > > Quoting mal hamilton : > > > >> Turn the wick up and someone might hear u. The DL, SM, LA and EIOCF are > >> booming in here day and nite. > >> g3kev > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Roger Lapthorn > >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > >> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 1:35 PM > >> Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF ACTY > >> > >> Mal, > >> > >> I called CQ on 12wpm CW a few times just now on 500kHz, but no takers. > >> > >> There is always activity on 500kHz WSPR. Reports of my 1mW ERP signal > >> received from 4 different stations (so far) in the last hour or so out > >> to 237kms. > >> > >> 73s > >> Roger G3XBM > >> > >> 2009/12/21 mal hamilton > >> > > >> I have never heard LF/MF so quiet over the years since it all started. > >> In the past most of the DX that I have worked was around XMAS time. The > >> wx at present in Scarborough is minus 2 C and covered in 6 inches of > >> snow but it is not effecting my antennas so far even although there is > >> some ice on the wires. > >> Now calling CQ on 502.6 kcs and looking for acty also on 137 kcs CW > >> De mal/g3kev > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> ------------------------------------------------------------- > >> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > >> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > >> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > >> > > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de02.mx.aol.com (rly-de02.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.138]) by air-de08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE082-4bc4b168d67313; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 10:53:30 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE027-4bc4b168d67313; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 10:53:12 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFrV0-0004c4-Ii for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:52:14 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFrV0-0004bv-3x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:52:14 +0000 Received: from smtp832.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.189.246]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFrUy-0005kd-AJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:52:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 79958 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2009 15:52:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=3exsw5U/rsOJPgrcQyY3tPTp9Y1NCDozGqLKuhnkIGbaHC7aiqFRGlnSgNapBm/cqq4mJ090y6lK240UFKmhU52fZJqjsDQzvLXJ7vHXKxt4Ys+YYRAa8TM6qTrCEOablbw/YmG+fB4uvl7FWSBjg0miE1JNlJHF1rWwQ6qVeDA= ; Received: from unknown (HELO IBM7FFA209F07C) (c.ashby435@81.135.138.168 with login) by smtp832.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 15:52:06 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9STUSnaswBBSd6nO_2gAC20jmYlWRjmg8d5iYd8s.rl181aR6Sw- X-YMail-OSG: RK3B1okVM1kJ_ecxa_H88yo7Pnoa8FqcLRQLLXTAJ39IQFA56UuwhgrwPIcesKJPNheQ2fjwV9PrMH8CZvcHMOncnYxyAT0VMtliUVpyuXvn8tDnWXqO18llABNsRRRFKG0XVFoQpeSoTpMs7ELZ8RSN9vW7gZvgpq61xdFdZmx_2sdwmvtitJp6UMc9JCdkj1kIK1TmU7ledvtsSzLTsBYxQYjD00vRErGFlIyHpABpBY_oPMbuCMHGXd1zBGN67Or64XW3Qe9M_G8zqwb.R4EPpDvu92lnx2dlYg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <72FADC01B9924A96BFFE4D142278E43F@IBM7FFA209F07C> From: "Chris" To: References: <2FF5BE0915484B3EB86B7B946032FA80@IBM7FFA209F07C> <4B1689B9.30157.24374D@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:52:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: Re: LF: G3XDV Test or Beacon Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Thank you! Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dennison" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 3:37 PM Subject: Re: LF: G3XDV Test or Beacon > Chris, > > Yes, I can repeat the exercise tonight. Weather permitting (it's > raining heavily here now) I will transmit my call in QRSS3 on > 136.318kHz from around 1800 to 2100UTC. > > 73 de Mike > ========= > >> Are you planning any tests or beaconing this evening? Three of us >> found your signal last evening most useful for comparitive equipment >> and antenna set ups. We would all like you to do it again! It's not >> often we get such a reliable, consistent and strong signal for such >> puposes. Thanks. Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent. > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df04.mx.aol.com (rly-df04.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.17]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF021-5454b184f7b18b; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:53:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF044-5454b184f7b18b; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:53:33 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGLT6-0004fc-4k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:52:16 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGLT5-0004fT-LA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:52:15 +0000 Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com ([64.12.100.31]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGLT3-00018X-PM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:52:15 +0000 Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nB3Nq066021886 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 18:52:00 -0500 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.d34.5f145d44 (34965) for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 18:51:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.68] ([92.21.151.214]) by cia-da07.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA072-88954b184f1914d; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:51:54 -0500 From: g4gvw To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4B183595.5060800@usa.net> References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B16987B.9000002@usa.net> <4B179DE6.3050608@usa.net> <20091203194531.or926chzk844g4k8@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <4B183595.5060800@usa.net> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:51:47 +0000 Message-Id: <1259884307.6244.34.camel@pat-compaq-evo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.1 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: G4gvw@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Aahh! But the Belgians further complicate matters by designing beers whose individual character may be best suited to any one of the number of courses that comprise a fine dining experience at dinner. I've certainly enjoyed a six course meal in the Ardennes during which a different beer was served with each course in addition to a beer aperitif and a further couple of small ones before departing to bed! We may, therefore, suppose that S/N ratios might depend on the number of samples, their frequency and relative signal strengths. The condition of the observer should,probably, also be taken into account! 73 On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 23:03 +0100, Alberto di Bene wrote: > Rik Strobbe wrote: > > Roelof, > > > > I cannot agree, a Belgian beer can will provide at least 10dB better SNR ;-) > > I tend to agree with Rik, the best beers I ever drank were those in La Grande Place > in Bruxelles, many years ago, when I was there for QRL. > I remember a three-story building facing directly the Place, where you could taste > all kind of Trappiste beers... I spent there many evenings... though I did not think > to perform a measurement in dBs of the SNR with respect to beers coming from the Amstel river :-) > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > -- 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw qth nr felixstowe uk (east coast, county of suffolk) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG074-a214b2264f332; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:28:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG073-a214b2264f332; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:27:49 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ7OX-0008JQ-4H for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:27:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ7OW-0008JB-9v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:27:00 +0000 Received: from warsl404pip3.highway.telekom.at ([195.3.96.115] helo=email.aon.at) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ7OV-0001NY-2D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:27:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 10488 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2009 15:26:52 -0000 Received: from 188-23-78-30.adsl.highway.telekom.at (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([188.23.78.30]) (envelope-sender ) by smarthub97.highway.telekom.at (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 11 Dec 2009 15:26:52 -0000 From: Gerhard Hickl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4B221D77.23434.434B0D@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> References: , <88EEC52E6C874CCEB966804D073A3376@White> <4B221D77.23434.434B0D@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Disposition-Notification-To: gerhard.hickl@aon.at Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:26:51 +0100 Message-ID: <1260545211.2370.107.camel@gerhard-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello folks! I was one of the "bad boys" transmitting yesterday night in the "waterhole"...The purpose were some test with the antenna where I rely on grabbers. But of course, I didn't choose my qrg by chance or to interfere with somebody else. No, rather the reasoning is what Mike writes in his post below. Some of the grabbers even don't have a window around 700 but only show the "waterhole". I also know, that people who run grabbers can't be blamed for not offering this opportunity. I'm not aware if offering such a 2nd window is a lot of work or if it is just "done by software". Anyways, I would appreciate such an alternative. Cheers es 73 OE3GHB Gerhard Am Freitag, den 11.12.2009, 10:22 +0000 schrieb Mike Dennison: > Markus is absolutely right. This should reduce QRM for those > monitoring for DX, and improve the chance of two-way DX QSOs. > However, I think many stations have recently used the upper slot > because most grabbers are set for this area (except Markus's own > excellent system). Is it possible for more grabbers to be dual > frequency? > > Mke, G3XDV > ========== > > > On 11 Dec 2009 at 9:38, Markus Vester wrote: > > > Dear LF, > > > > the passage should have said: > > > > Taking into account the path of mutual darkness, this would mean that > > all stations should transmit in the UPPER band during their evenings > > until local midnight, and then QSY to the lower band for the rest of > > the night. > > > > Sorry for the confusion. > > > > 73, Markus > > > > > > From: Markus Vester > > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 12:14 AM > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Subject: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes > > > > > > Dear LF group, > > > > recently we find the "transatlantic waterhole" around 137.777 kHz > > quite busy. Several Europeans have started beaconing within this > > segment. And there has been some fast (QRSS3 or 10) activity, with > > wide traces covering up possible transatlantic DX signalling > > frequencies. > > > > During the last years, we have attempted to split the frequency bands > > for both directions of transatlantic work. Traditional segments were > > around 137.777 kHz west-to-east (for Americans transmitting towards > > Eu), and around 136.320 kHz east-west (for Eu to stateside). Slow > > modes (QRSS or DFCW, 60 second and longer) were used almost > > exclusively there, and several stations were able to successfully > > cross the pond in either direction. > > > > The situation has become a little more intricate as more stations from > > other parts of the world (eg. Asia, China, Japan) are joining the game > > with sensitive receivers and good signals. But I still think it would > > be helpful to separate RX and TX bands within each area as much as > > possible. > > > > My suggestion would be to stick with the east-west versus west-east > > allocation of the two slots. Taking into account the path of mutual > > darkness, this would mean that all stations should transmit in the > > lower band during their evenings until local midnight, and then QSY to > > the lower band for the rest of the night. Receiver settings would of > > course be vice versa. > > > > I'm aware that this scheme cannot be perfect and universal. It won't > > cover North-South hauls, and would not protect signals during early or > > late openings. But it's simple enough, and I believe it would still be > > very useful. Please don't get me wrong - I do not want to discourage > > anyone from putting out a signal, and certainly reject the notion of > > anything reminiscent of a "band police". I just think a little > > coordination may help all of us to be successful on this challenging > > and fascinating band. > > > > Let me have your thoughts... > > > > 73 de Markus, DF6NM > > > > http://freenet-homepage.de/df6nm/Grabber.htm > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (rly-mg05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.111]) by air-mg04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG044-a104b262b26d3; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 07:10:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG052-a104b262b26d3; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 07:10:16 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NK9ic-0001gR-37 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:08:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NK9ib-0001gI-OC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:08:01 +0000 Received: from mx01.infotech.at ([213.174.240.1]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NK9jU-0003Pl-Fi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:08:58 +0000 Received: from [213.174.228.201] by mx01.infotech.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NK9jd-0001qU-TB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:09:06 +0100 Message-ID: <4B262ACC.1020809@inext.at> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:08:44 +0100 From: Oberreiter Oswald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <6330BF27F79446A0885847B11E8CDA69@ns94d01ae4d850> In-Reply-To: <6330BF27F79446A0885847B11E8CDA69@ns94d01ae4d850> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: OSSI 13-12.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) thank you henny good conds running 30V 10 A pwr in , with a cool irfp 260 swr 1.5 in marconi 16 m high 80m hotizontal ,the end is17 m high with 7 wires down to 6m like an ivertet umprella . aprox 0.5-0.8 w erp ? i dont know exact 73 ossi henny van elst schrieb: > Hi Ossi, > strong again, > best 73s > henny cpm > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > OSSI 13-12.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen > virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet > toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt > weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (rly-dc09.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.38]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC084-b414b1d77ff2b3; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:48:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC095-b414b1d77ff2b3; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:47:44 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHlPV-0003tg-EQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:46:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHlPU-0003tX-Tx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:46:24 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHlPT-0007Se-FZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:46:24 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so4186174bwz.4 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:46:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=3/Qr2nJogMGzU8AUF6kmuWvZ3Uqio+NDTu+JM2SR7Iw=; b=M73Nqc087ubN9sVrFotMdGbd1R5fGSkm8cjSaOxufM2dH2EWlIt7MNVoWg3TCRjpMM ufdFVFwBwTQKYzBM9FUO2f608KgJeKl13K+t7Y3lE+/AVxMeWruuRzwJ/GKVC0OcxxfM GlUdB5xIlSOUlCjHY3SQj+y9dUdqLWsuIa1wM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=GZRnXjfTdgFyRMAgtKeEtksZkrBdpQ1q1/jnYcKrZVDRoETRKLY8IcxHYyCTB5v1DV bDN6yEYNzTwDgRFqwQiMZtFdCU9EBRWf+LfhiN04aGXuGdUoYfm9UENGL7t+OwY/mDoI qPE7STnWiy4Vj+RJzcVvvnM2bGCRATho+2Ymo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.24.69 with SMTP id u5mr7815870bkb.1.1260222377063; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:46:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20091207220046.49h1zwc3tw448s4s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> References: <9afca2640912071058u8d99fbbp6c9464d698d6f0f7@mail.gmail.com> <20091207220046.49h1zwc3tw448s4s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 21:46:17 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2640912071346j79529ed7nb39f7558ab513e15@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz CW CQ CQ.... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0003255547661f7436047a2a6390 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m279.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0003255547661f7436047a2a6390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Called for about 10 mins at 12wpm at 2130z but nothng heard Rik. Back to WSPR.... 73s Roger G3XBM 2009/12/7 Rik Strobbe > Roger, > > I have been listeing but only heard GW3UEP on 501.5 > I will give it another try at 21:30 UTC > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > PS: can you preeced your CQ by a 10 sec carrier or so? That would allow me > to locate you with Argo. > > > > > > Quoting Roger Lapthorn : > > I'm calling CQ on ~501.8kHz but getting no responses as yet.... >> >> 73s >> Roger G3XBM >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >> >> > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0003255547661f7436047a2a6390 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Called for about 10 mins at 12wpm at 2130z but nothng heard Rik. Back to= WSPR....

73s
Roger G3XBM


2009/12/7 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
Roger,

I have been listeing but only heard GW3UEP on 501.5
I will give it another try at 21:30 UTC

73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T

PS: can you preeced your CQ by a 10 sec carrier or so? That would allow me= to locate you with Argo.





Quoting Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com>:

I'm calling CQ on ~501.8kHz but getting no responses as yet....

73s
Roger G3XBM

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--0003255547661f7436047a2a6390-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (rly-dd04.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.151]) by air-dd09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD093-b714b2659993bf; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:28:57 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD043-b714b2659993bf; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:28:26 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKCnP-0003bO-LA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:25:11 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKCnP-0003bF-4E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:25:11 +0000 Received: from psmtp31.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.33]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKCoW-0003Rp-S3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:26:23 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp31.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KUN00JWPEVQCL@psmtp31.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:26:15 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:26:09 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: ossi.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_3SJA3NjK+nbENnuH/mFIZg)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --Boundary_(ID_3SJA3NjK+nbENnuH/mFIZg) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_0m9uURJCeFvl+RlwYfLsAQ)" --Boundary_(ID_0m9uURJCeFvl+RlwYfLsAQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT nice signal,Ossi henny cpm 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: ossi.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. --Boundary_(ID_0m9uURJCeFvl+RlwYfLsAQ) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
nice signal,Ossi
henny cpm
73s
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2009 21:47:38 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 8C28D18056; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 21:47:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from 2.65-176-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (2.65-176-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [91.176.65.2]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 21:47:37 +0100 Message-ID: <20091205214737.ab07d9ds00s44sso@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 21:47:37 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <59DC6AF25071476FA37B42E3896BC627@radiorummet> <00aa01ca7548$de12ce70$0201a8c0@Clemens04> <9AF4BA15A6D94C3483BB006F4E38040B@radiorummet> <001a01ca758f$b9fba3d0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 91.176.65.2 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: 500kHz RTTY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Gary, Grahem, I followed your RTTY QSO (+/- 20:40 UTC) with almost perfect copy from both station. Even after a CW station started calling CQ about 200Hz up copy was still good. RTTY 45dB/85Hz seems quite robust. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db07.mx.aol.com (rly-db07.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.82]) by air-db10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB102-ad84b1e3272157; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 06:03:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB076-ad84b1e3272157; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 06:03:18 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHxpj-0005bE-Ho for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:02:19 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHxpj-0005b5-0i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:02:19 +0000 Received: from web28105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.125]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHxpi-0006Yf-Bh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:02:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 74652 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Dec 2009 11:02:11 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1260270131; bh=SsoTI+4cZeHE9/XEPzw0ivE7a0AvyDikmGfqQUOkP10=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=S+3zBOzvN/X+EQ+lApaVwFy+/epqPTPKDm8pebgMo8MFMqb6qYToHSXzPh7q38BxQAqkQ97ygN7KWgWYXx0i7krfin9wWVuEwcwGcntpeg8o1er0lpm4jPpcXat/8Kqx/ethNvC+g2mWQ4FIhVxOw+bxpwUKd2zZ8EvW3hbYxJE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ll23Ag/Uqx5//v99Q5CSow+u95CGAkLhPAXFxFWnjp3uHM3Oe5i7vSt1JUdoSxDE7kEsfoXBhWnqPTJTSI7kGi7vAwfViNSC6FICXNnZl9Ny+Nhh5IMlv3HyvX+a9bPHsFyXZ2pxHzt7mrxUha7TfbYXIHpZUv/4UE7ukLWQ1Bc=; Message-ID: <915828.74407.qm@web28105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: AgXHqQIVM1n_1CxLzlBo4ePkCwPWkUvCK_58O6NxcMsDJBoZKHQSLczaIJpsFMtl.0MHOzDhVyUXUBmcspuYMGy3.AZca0NJU5w8z9YLOhTpncOVfZT_5HPVuPhjaC8OQL9vEcEElXfRajj5Z5k51XrguUc9uoCyu_KwW5Vkp6_DJooQtjEDPFF_SQXyxrZfuaMvWnH0n3413Uotz0MDOG.WmlArHtkaQFuwo1c8RJGbExRR0trnMYasNNi7AVmHppu5m9TWRWcmRJSyVLGXEQ-- Received: from [86.130.68.56] by web28105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 03:02:11 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 03:02:11 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <003501ca77e8$b926db90$0317aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: G7NKS RTTY beacon running on 501.5. 1 : 10 min cycles Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1944964359-1260270131=:74407" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,UPPERCASE_50_75 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d302.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-1944964359-1260270131=:74407 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0 Hi Jim =A0 IO92UB CQ RTTY TEST CQ RTTY TEST CQ RTTY 500 CQ RTTY 500 45BAUD 85HZ 501.5 KHZ 5 MIN RPT G7NKS G7NKS IO92UB IO92UB CQ RTTY TEST CQ RTTY TEST CQ RTTY 500 CQ RTTY 500 45BAUD 85HZ 501.5 KHZ 5 MIN RPT G7NKS G7NKS IO92UB IO92UB CQ RTTY TEST CQ RTTY TEST =A0 CQ RTTY 500 CQ RTTY 500 45BAUD 85HZ 501.5 KHZ 5 MIN RPT G7NKS G7NKS IO92UB IO92UB CQ RTTY TEST CQ RTTY TEST CQ RTTY 500 CQ RTTY 500 45BAUD 85HZ 501.5 KHZ 5 MIN RPT G7NKS G7NKS IO92UB IO92UB CQ RTTY TEST CQ RTTY TEST CQ RTTY 500 CQ RTTY 500 45BAUD 85HZ 501.5 KHZ 5 MIN RPT G7NKS G7NKS IO92UB IO92UB CQ RTTY TEST CQ RTTY TEST CQ RTTY 500 CQ RTTY 500 45BAUD 85HZ 501.5 KHZ 5 MIN RPT G7NKS G7NKS IO92UB IO92UB CQ RTTY TEST CQ RTTY TEST =A0 =A0 73 petefmt =A0 --- On Tue, 8/12/09, James Cowburn wrote: From: James Cowburn Subject: LF: G7NKS RTTY beacon running on 501.5. 1 : 10 min cycles To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tuesday, 8 December, 2009, 9:27 Dear LF =A0 G7NKs is running a RTTY beacon on 501.5 =A0 Rprts welcome =A0 With best regards =A0 Jim =A0 =A0 =20 --0-1944964359-1260270131=:74407 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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--- On Tue, 8/12/09, James Cowburn = <james.cowburn@virgin.net> wrote:

From: James Cowburn <james.cowburn@virgin.n= et>
Subject: LF: G7NKS RTTY beacon running on 501.5. 1 : 10 min cycl= es
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Tuesday, 8 December, 2009,= 9:27

Dear LF

 

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Rprts welcome

 

With best regards

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=20 --0-1944964359-1260270131=:74407-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.80]) by air-dd10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD101-86104b3a89aa281; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:58:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 678BE380000FD; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:58:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPl0c-0001NN-Ls for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:57:46 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPl0c-0001NE-3e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:57:46 +0000 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPl0a-0002uQ-2E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:57:46 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsQEAFYXOktcG7K4/2dsb2JhbACNOwaOWLkwhDEE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,470,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="262918879" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.27.178.184]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2009 22:57:34 +0000 Message-ID: <005701ca88da$4eb82720$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:57:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: WE2XGR/2 WE2XGR/6 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0053_01CA88DA.41515DE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40504b3a89a97f66 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01CA88DA.41515DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable bOTH GOOD SIGNALS ON 507.3 CW, solid copy here at 2255utc mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01CA88DA.41515DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
bOTH GOOD SIGNALS ON 507.3 CW, solid= copy here at=20 2255utc
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------=_NextPart_000_0053_01CA88DA.41515DE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc12.mx.aol.com (rly-mc12.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.96]) by air-mc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC081-dae4b2b4d621e5; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 04:37:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC126-dae4b2b4d621e5; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 04:37:41 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLZD3-0008FK-8h for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:33:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLZD2-0008FB-PI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:33:16 +0000 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.155]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLZFk-0002GD-Lb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:36:06 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 16so1423820fgg.10 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 01:36:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=WMTMl8KL4WedijoVo9D9l10wVPCmzlkWkgCt/KSm3ko=; b=LUeNlZq6X/n1Nnk+2XwzKb6TMVix3EQIUgHPI/IPYxwvpknXJwkUJD+/6s222xCrjr 0iqpt/kYF0tObqre7MfR9ctFfe3aW8DquzLr43apJVyu4SbQECYzMjj+dmOGvTeha80U 5NtXFKEH8L3v007vkrscVCJ8oexoacpeUbjvU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=TexmY/o0SdPrwFwuPiZkGD4DI5M/qF9pFvWw2E+9u6gnbldoA/u3D6HA2nEbs16Uzq m1xKP6IIKsIRCmiy1fcmAI2PGqX5WAkh8qb7Wdb4d9n1xfPVzcZtrvaei/Hy/ZKuoKZi DrUnzDdtF5lzRxps3evxjpj7TwsnMdLZZ1EMk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.148.12 with SMTP id d12mr365248hbb.152.1261128993332; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 01:36:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <000f01ca7fc2$c666f6a0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> References: <1542517694@web.de> <6F962616C1CC4C1B844AF099CB1BB55D@lindavideo> <000f01ca7fc2$c666f6a0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:36:33 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m253.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Just yet-another case of a poor soul being taken over by the Health and Safety Police. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, has been declared politically correct and contains no substances considered to be a hazard to health. It may, however, contribute to dissolving the polecaps. 2009/12/18 mal hamilton : > Radio Amateurs BEWARE - Appliance Operators DO NOT TOUCH > > G3KEV > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 10:43 AM > Subject: LF: Re: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX > signals > > >> Optical fibres are fine for transmission and remove all the problems of >> interference and cross talk at a stroke, but please be careful and obse= rve >> optical safety precautions when using lasers and other light sources.= I >> worked on optical systems for many years during my time with BT, and > optical >> safety took priority over every thing else. All optical fibres need to > have >> a perfect cleave on the ends, and the connectors =A0be absolutely clean= , if >> you are not launching into an optical connector then alignment will be= a >> problem, similarly at the receive end. >> >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md06.mx.aol.com (rly-md06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.144]) by air-md08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD082-90c4b16c65b272; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:56:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD064-90c4b16c65b272; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:56:13 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFvI1-0007Lr-58 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:55:05 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFvI0-0007Li-BL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:55:04 +0000 Received: from mail14.ssmb.com ([192.193.221.107] helo=mail.citigroup.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFvHz-0007zr-GO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:55:04 +0000 Received: from imbhub-mw01.nam.nsroot.net ([159.17.94.188]) by imbaspam-ss07.namdmz.dmzroot.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/SSMB_EXT/ev: 24737 $) with ESMTP id nB2Jss9B015398 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:54:55 GMT Received: from exlniht01.eur.nsroot.net (exlniht01.eur.nsroot.net [169.186.207.97]) by imbhub-mw01.nam.nsroot.net (Switch-3.4.1/Switch-3.4.0) with ESMTP id nB2Jrkox011396 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:54:53 GMT Received: from exlnht01.eur.nsroot.net (169.182.192.16) by exlniht01.eur.nsroot.net (169.186.207.97) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.375.2; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:54:02 +0000 Received: from exlnmb06.eur.nsroot.net ([169.186.207.105]) by exlnht01.eur.nsroot.net ([169.182.192.16]) with mapi; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:54:02 +0000 From: "Scholz, Marco " To: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org'" Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:54:00 +0000 Thread-Topic: OE3GHB on 137KHz Thread-Index: AcpziTFoPqUe/V1iQf6A2894K9trMw== Message-ID: <254102CCC310104CA9DA9DA31EBD03CE02CEB57D58@exlnmb06.eur.nsroot.net> Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB x-wiganss: 01000000010017exlnht01.eur.nsroot.net ID0044<254102CCC310104CA9DA9DA31EBD03CE02CEB57D58@exlnmb06.eur.nsroot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 169.175.16.155 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: OE3GHB on 137KHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) SGVsbG8sDQpHb29kIGNvcHkgb2YgT0UzR0hCIGFyb3VuZCAxMzcuNzEyS0h6Lg0KV2VhayBjb3B5 IG9mIE1pa2UsIFhEViBvbiAxMzYuMzEwS0h6Lg0KDQp2eTczDQpNYXJjbw0KREQ3UEMsIEpONDlh eA0KRlQ4NTcsUHJlYW1wIGFuZCBNaW5pd2hpcA0K From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (rly-dc09.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.38]) by air-dc09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC094-b424b3834c3ef; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 23:32:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC096-b424b3834c3ef; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 23:32:04 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NP7Fh-0003vO-Gx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 04:30:41 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NP7Fh-0003vF-53 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 04:30:41 +0000 Received: from msa-k1.u-netsurf.ne.jp ([202.233.11.14]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp>) id 1NP7Fe-0000r0-Hp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 04:30:41 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.5] (d25.HkanagawaFL59.vectant.ne.jp [122.103.154.25]) by msa-k1.u-netsurf.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47EA934DB1 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:30:32 +0900 (JST) From: Rick Wakatori <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <5BA37E0D20C445E8B9DF2E3479E216D2@AGB> References: <20091226.144128.11516.4.cw4ever4@juno.com> <007601ca86d3$2b3670d0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> <00a101ca86d7$5998fed0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> <5BA37E0D20C445E8B9DF2E3479E216D2@AGB> Organization: RLL Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:30:33 +0900 Message-Id: <1261974633.6401.9.camel@vaio3rd> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beacon & WSPR 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Graham - G8FZK, Bob - W1XP, Rik - ON7YD, Andy - G4JNT, Laurence - KL1X Thank you all for a kind advice. I am not sure which stations signal was. I am trying to hear 502400Hz as a dial frequency using WSPR 1.12 now. But i'll try to switch to WSPR 2.0 soon. 73 Rick -- -.. . --... .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-. 7L1RLL under ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP) URL=http://www1.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html -..--- -.- .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-... ...-. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db10.mx.aol.com (rly-db10.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.85]) by air-db10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB101-aeb4b2107e1125; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:38:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB101-aeb4b2107e1125; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:38:27 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIk8l-0002kX-5A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:37:11 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIk8k-0002kO-3v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:37:10 +0000 Received: from nina.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.76]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIk8i-0000uM-G4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:37:10 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by nina.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nBAEb1WE021304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:07:01 -0330 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:07:01 -0330 (NST) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <903410816.1260409618.167111552.23497@mcgi29.rambler.ru> Message-ID: References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <57a24ca70912091153iaa6a489ia1a35bc98f56233a@mail.gmail.com> <903410816.1260409618.167111552.23497@mcgi29.rambler.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: 507.77 kHz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Roman, It was CW. It will be on again tonight. 73 es gl Joe VO1NA On Thu, 10 Dec 2009, Roman RW3ADB wrote: > CW or QRSS, Joe? > > * jcraig@mun.ca [Wed, 9 Dec 2009 17:43:24 -0330 (NST)]: >> VX9MRC is sending a 'ceremonial' transmission until 2300 and again >> at 0100 following the DDH47 transmissions on 147.3 kHz. Reports most >> welcomed! >> >> 73 >> Joe VO1NA >> >> > > > > > -- > Roman RW3ADB. > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd10.mx.aol.com (rly-dd10.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.157]) by air-dd03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD033-ba04b36ab6878; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:34:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD102-ba04b36ab6878; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:33:46 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOh3U-0007rw-1W for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 00:32:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOh3T-0007rn-7A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 00:32:19 +0000 Received: from web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.130]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOh3R-0000Wb-5B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 00:32:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 2499 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Dec 2009 00:32:11 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1261873931; bh=tSaSmoGWcoOcKdz7USyD8EyCs2Nvwr/+M4zUS5JPL0c=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=n8aPZu2BD4TmXamxdH31ufLGZ8NFaaTIqbQc9TCk4VXrZkWc/SmZCBiTfxZmWLvaBCbuWlngCZ5DbPvOIfdaz9UcURBrdGDUPUw11kJLSgKCWonZ7ZAATl1kZXAXJLQKUKxCWwNa1eSGDw+mIeRGTvc78yFPkXrEyMsr1fscIMY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=siz0BB3AxOxAKpt5wK1vGSYSxWh/F9umlwDMNXdFjVgguT0C9IluX7TnMSMqlNGgj4sk2SJ3K0A2zOUI9lmrcR5CQb0xW559BskS3FZcY/XYEe97Q5EIxWXc8tKil+oKNsP0rllHxbwJBE0pET7+yw0dE1jSVhcY6mBHSutOInU=; Message-ID: <80578.2091.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Az46aaQVM1nSiwHZJEuwqIgpbfFiSVysztVt63_ypodctzWbXKF0IpvBv2722z0CkahMDey7XDcWize93AtP7JWgOk1rwmW3r9fHRxs7DEM1I33_pZI5vvwWWIqdC0cT1Nx4xa8QpLnWPzb7oD4wmHjclsWzTb57adJYCxy.0D__yudA4mZ6hVngAL2TLou2uuiZxidPVAaQmtrwVn1vpZJhbdgqHW.ax6Q6.JusnUHCs2syJKwTOYpnYLDK_MGvQD0ssARwCzuvNkAdrr0iKEG3pLfnMa8iH.Bhoh7ZE2GjoOigMIYVRcQ391oaywvGItdLblzzAF0- Received: from [81.131.22.54] by web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 00:32:10 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 00:32:10 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AD02@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2014615444-1261873930=:2091" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_TABLE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d281.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --0-2014615444-1261873930=:2091 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stephan yes the aerialls will be very close compared with the wavelengt= h so they will interact particularly is tuned. We did some measurements ar= Finbar's location several years ago http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/aecouple.htm=20 The interaction was measured on an antenna=C2=A0 RF bridge, and demonstrat= es the coupling between two wires. Best Wishes Alan G3NYK --- On Sat, 26/12/09, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer = wrote: From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer Subject: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Saturday, 26 December, 2009, 18:15 =20 =20 Dear Lowfers,=20 Yesterday i saw the extreme influence of my 100m vertical tx antenna to the small acti= ve antenna. Now I have some ideas how to avoid that and would be thankful for= any comments and hints. During the QSOs there was much QSB in the RX signals, just as if someone is playing with= the AF-volume. First I thought it is caused by a loose contact in the Converte= r or in the fiber optic cable but later I found, that it was caused by the angl= e of the tx antenna to ground (Wind was good but with some QSB ;-) ). In my last QSO with IK1HSS I disconnected the TX wire from the loading coil and than, the whole signal was almost gone (when choosing =E2=80=9Cvisual mode LOW=E2=80= =9D at the argo monitor). Switching to =E2=80=9Cvisual mode HIGH=E2=80=9D and inc= reasing the AF a little bit gave almost the same QRM lines by DFC39 (vy strong yesterday). Now, the SNR was much better than before!=20 In the following pic you can get a impression of the dimension of the influence= of the TX ant (The RX ant is isolated to the rest of the rig by an optic fiber ca= ble and battery supply, so =E2=80=9Cjust=E2=80=9D coupled by the E field to th= e TX ant): In the left part the TX wire was disconnected from the coil and mode was HIGH In the middle part I connected the wire to the loading coil In the right part I switched to the LOW mode! I am sure that the TX ant does not only increase the QRM but also the wanted signal. So= the benefit will not be so strong than between left and right part in the pic.= But the SNR increases significantly, as I saw in the QSO with IK1HSS. So a disconnection of the TX wire makes sense. What are the alternatives?=20 Placing the RX ant apart from the TX ant to reduce the influence? I think with a 100m ver= tical I can forget that unless I do not want to spend 100s of meters of RX cable= ;-) Bringing the ant out of resonance? That is the one and only solution I think. Any bette= r ideas?=20 I could disconnect the loading coil at the lower end to ground. That could be done= with a relay (My RX/TX sequencer provides an output =E2=80=9C12V @ RX=E2=80=9D= that could directly be used for this). Probably there will be a residual coupli= ng capacity of the coil to ground and the relay contacts and so on, say 30pF= but since my ant C is 580pF that would be quite enough for deadjusting, I hope= so. As I thought about protecting the contacts and the PA in the case that there will be a mistake (contacts have to be closed without a voltage at the relay) in the circuit, i thought some Varistors or even better some antiparallel diodes= could be a good choice. That brought me to the idea that a power diode out of a= SMPS would easyly handle the antenna current with fast enough switching times. So do you think just two antiparallel diodes (or perhaps 2x2, 2 in series, and perhaps wit= h an additional 10=E2=80=A6100k Resistor parallel) without a relay could be sui= table to solve the RX TX ant influence problem? Could the TX signal distortion= be neglected? When the voltage across the diodes (RX case) is less than the forward volt= age, do the diodes act as an open contact, just with a few pF reverse capacity?= I think so but I don=E2=80=99t know much about the RX voltages that are give= n by such an antenna. There will be some experiments=E2=80=A6 J Comments welcome ;-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC =20 --0-2014615444-1261873930=:2091 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="0-52067181-1261873930=:2091" --0-52067181-1261873930=:2091 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Stephan yes the aerialls will be very cl= ose compared with the wavelength so they will interact particularly is tun= ed. We did some measurements ar Finbar's location several years ago
htt= p://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/aecouple.htm

The interaction= was measured on an antenna  RF bridge, and demonstrates the coupling= between two wires.

Best Wishes
Alan G3NYK

--- On Sat,= 26/12/09, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer <schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de>= wrote:

From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer <= ;schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de>
Subject: LF: Influence of a TX antenn= a to a small rx antenna
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Satur= day, 26 December, 2009, 18:15

=20 =20

Dear Lowfers,

Yesterday i saw the extreme influence of my 100m vertical tx antenna to the small acti= ve antenna. Now I have some ideas how to avoid that and would be thankful for= any comments and hints.

During the QSOs there was much QSB in the RX signals, just as if someone is playing with= the AF-volume. First I thought it is caused by a loose contact in the Converte= r or in the fiber optic cable but later I found, that it was caused by the angl= e of the tx antenna to ground (Wind was good but with some QSB ;-) ).

In my last QSO with IK1HSS I disconnected the TX wire from the loading coil and than, the whole signal was almost gone (when choosing =E2=80=9Cvisual mode LOW=E2=80= =9D at the argo monitor). Switching to =E2=80=9Cvisual mode HIGH=E2=80=9D and inc= reasing the AF a little bit gave almost the same QRM lines by DFC39 (vy strong yesterday). Now, the SNR was much better than before!

In the following pic you can get a impression of the dimension of the influence= of the TX ant (The RX ant is isolated to the rest of the rig by an optic fiber ca= ble and battery supply, so =E2=80=9Cjust=E2=80=9D coupled by the E field to th= e TX ant):

In the left part the TX wire was disconnected from the coil and mode was HIGH

In the middle part I connected the wire to the loading coil

In the right part I switched to the LOW mode!

I am sure that the TX ant does not only increase the QRM but also the wanted signal. So= the benefit will not be so strong than between left and right part in the pic.= But the SNR increases significantly, as I saw in the QSO with IK1HSS. So a disconnection of the TX wire makes sense.

What are the alternatives?

Placing the RX ant apart from the TX ant to reduce the influence? I think with a 100m ver= tical I can forget that unless I do not want to spend 100s of meters of RX cable= ;-)

Bringing the ant out of resonance? That is the one and only solution I think. Any bette= r ideas?

I could disconnect the loading coil at the lower end to ground. That could be done= with a relay (My RX/TX sequencer provides an output =E2=80=9C12V @ RX=E2=80=9D= that could directly be used for this). Probably there will be a residual coupli= ng capacity of the coil to ground and the relay contacts and so on, say 30pF= but since my ant C is 580pF that would be quite enough for deadjusting, I hope= so.

As I thought about protecting the contacts and the PA in the case that there will be a mistake (contacts have to be closed without a voltage at the relay) in the circuit, i thought some Varistors or even better some antiparallel diodes= could be a good choice. That brought me to the idea that a power diode out of a= SMPS would easyly handle the antenna current with fast enough switching times.<= /span>

So do you think just two antiparallel diodes (or perhaps 2x2, 2 in series, and perhaps wit= h an additional 10=E2=80=A6100k Resistor parallel) without a relay could be sui= table to solve the RX TX ant influence problem? Could the TX signal distortion= be neglected? When the voltage across the diodes (RX case) is less than the forward volt= age, do the diodes act as an open contact, just with a few pF reverse capacity?= I think so but I don=E2=80=99t know much about the RX voltages that are give= n by such an antenna. There will be some experiments=E2=80=A6 J

Comments welcome ;-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC

=20
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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA74EA.C1701D80" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA74EA.C1701D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, Can anyone tell me who was sending MCP on approx. 136.518kHz this morn= ing? Thanks. Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA74EA.C1701D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All,
Can anyone tell me who was sending MC= P on approx.=20 136.518kHz this morning? Thanks.
Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable,=20 Kent.
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA74EA.C1701D80-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de10.mx.aol.com (rly-de10.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.146]) by air-de08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE083-50c4b2025c931e; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:34:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE107-50c4b2025c931e; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:33:46 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIV5P-0005kM-Kz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:32:43 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIV5P-0005kD-3D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:32:43 +0000 Received: from web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.128]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIV5M-0003on-C3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:32:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 29865 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Dec 2009 22:32:35 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1260397955; bh=j8pid9X3x0qXck397ghXFZpZ5C6FYChcuR+0bsGqe34=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nBUTPmopsL7pA7Eq+m7fGCNR8Ed8coY2dka7NxDtkksd9lckmMGTrKViQ9cs3KBR99P6cpoelY1YameJYY9m4N0Cwb7BjldAONcb1pAwoyMXzyaBZ/rUWiLUP4YG85G/bRxvpEaKU63rEE9XNCa7EOzq+srLwIwRjJc5iwkYDB0= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QO9wOepIZvUcg0Gf38nvfMs3FS0BlOIBEJGzMvXjwuqW1FZQWZHxjdRieR/isyOA+21swJD7VpRFXobBToeJ1D4qxgnaR2554ZCTIaqnmW+roe6U75UFTuxmTMa5MAqMp3RLgVPim3ACyTeAPd2SkeimxDevRdUO/muPf5xmWKc=; Message-ID: <20250.29213.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: aUfaOF4VM1kor8gFYf3i50ANr1JUTuKYq1n5OVqtlf4aAV5qS38eKmdIGV_g6Lzhyvw370vUb7zi0KEtHfryFYvT4iKiBVKLX.P2lVb3hTucOkoFAmg3o2_BugT0DkU0FOX5DDQ1fT7WJo63VrBOoFHwpo0EZPQPibz0vfxY7tu87ZU.mFYy6qHyxMwEbPlrrQAXx5OddSkYSguvigRROv5cU3XMHtfgoIDNcMnkVhBxMQhl.y6HJu5R0AgVHvF6UyYfDeXSZ9uF9CSelRwdcNFhCB6wkbU7QrE6q9BytHFSDF7us5VWo4RMAM__xOXUWfc- Received: from [81.131.66.82] by web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:32:34 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 22:32:34 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <510B0611943F48E1975A8F833B63FBD5@AGB> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<< Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m263.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass Sounds good Roger and Graham... what it the stability like the problem wit= h transverters/upconverters normally is that while ok for some modes they= are often not stable enough for the very weak signal modes. These are mo= des where you need to know the frequency of a station very accurately beca= use you will not hear it, or it will only pop above the noise for short pe= riods. Alan G3NYK --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Graham wrote: > From: Graham > Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<< > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 22:13 >=20 >=20 > =20 > =20 >=20 >=20 > =20 > All=20 > =20 > This latest=20 > addition to the =20 > HF / MF tx convertor opens the door > to data =20 > communications on 500 ... ranging from > 'all' the K1JT systems=20 > through to the single carrier=20 > multi tone > systems of =20 > MFSK , DOMINO and THOR .. even > the almost=20 > forgotten Amtor-arq and Packtor modes , anyone > still have=20 > there pk232 =20 > =20 > listed are=20 > data modes that may be used with > non-linear systems :-=20 >=20 > =20 > http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/meat-grinder-comms > =20 > G..=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: Roger > Lapthorn=20 > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 12:20 AM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >=20 >=20 > Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX > transverter >=20 > Dear All, >=20 > My WSPR tx up-converter has now been modified to=20 > a full TX/RX tranverter suitable for WSPR, QRSS and > CW in a=20 > very simple way, making use of the FT817 split > facility which allows you=20 > to RX on 500kHz and TX on 28MHz. By adding a series LC > between the TX PA and the=20 > FT817 input/output RF connection (with back-to-back diodes > at the L and C=20 > junction, this allows "pass through" from the > 500kHz ATU to the FT817 on RX=20 > (tuned to 500kHz). On TX, the diodes conduct and the C part > is in parallel with=20 > the first cap in the TX low pass filter. This scheme is now > working really well=20 > with good RX sensitivity and no change in TX power out. >=20 > Schematic of the=20 > transverter is on my blog at http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > . My=20 > attempt to add it as an attachment to an email here earlier > failed. >=20 > This more or less concludes my 500kHz experimenting, apart > from=20 > getting a few more CW QSOs in the log. It's been great > fun all the way with lots=20 > of support from folks here. I was going to try 136kHz, but > think I will now give=20 > this a miss for now. >=20 > 73s > Roger G3XBM > --=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------------- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > G3XBM =20 > GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.87]) by air-db04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB044-86984b3a71bb1b5; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:16:43 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8044338000087; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:16:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPjPB-0000sv-HP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 21:15:01 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPjPB-0000sm-3k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 21:15:01 +0000 Received: from mailout.toya.net.pl ([217.113.224.27] ident=postfix) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPjP9-0002UN-7F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 21:15:01 +0000 Received: from mail.toya.net.pl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BE892000005C for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:14:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (unknown [10.11.152.246]) (Authenticated sender: unimlyn) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7818B20000045 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:14:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B3A7150.6070802@toya.net.pl> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:14:56 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Piotr_M=B3ynarski?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1BCA5076F8C144B0957BD8853BEA599A@LAPTOP> In-Reply-To: X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Stations on 505kHz last night. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010102050401040606030001" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60574b3a71ba385d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------010102050401040606030001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lubos OK2BVG wrote: > Hello Michael, LF! > OK, DI2AM is on 505.180kHz. I don=B4t know, who is on 505,030kHz, but my= =20 > beacon OK0EMW is on 505,060kHz. It transmit a text: > "Beacon OK0EMW JN88KS" . These letters "KS" might be "XS", which you=20 > listened. You can try to listen my beacon signal next night. > 73! > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS Hi Lubos , LF i've switched on my grabber on 505 khz=20 http://www.toya.net.pl/~mlynarski it will be active till 2300-2330 UTC this evening your signal is very strong, audible ; also DI2AG is visible yours, Piotr, sq7mpj qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ --------------010102050401040606030001 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lubos OK2BVG wrote:
Hello Michael, LF!
OK, DI2AM is on 505.180kHz. I don=B4t know, who is on 505,030kHz, but my beacon OK0EMW is on 505,060kHz. It transmit a text:
"Beacon OK0EMW JN88KS" . These letters "KS" might be "XS", which you listened.=A0 You can try to listen my beacon signal next night.
73!
Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
Hi Lubos , LF
i've switched on my grabber on 505 khz=A0
=A0=A0 http://www.toya.net.pl/~mlynarski
it will=A0 be active till 2300-2330=A0 UTC this evening
your signal is very strong, audible ;=A0 also DI2AG is visible

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 yours, Piotr, sq7mpj

qth: Lodz /jo91rs/
--------------010102050401040606030001-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (rly-mc03.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.87]) by air-mc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC012-d634b1e94de187; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 13:03:14 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC033-d634b1e94de187; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 13:03:12 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NI4NP-0006S4-9X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:01:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NI4NO-0006Rv-V3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:01:30 +0000 Received: from smtpa1.mediabeam.com ([194.25.41.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NI4NO-00063M-70 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:01:30 +0000 Received: from r300-1 (balancer4.mediabeam.com [194.25.41.40]) by smtpa1.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nB8I1OUO010398 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:01:24 +0100 From: "Uwe Jannsen" To: Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:01:18 Message-ID: <02EC07D90C081201151C6@kabelmail.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-PRIORITY: 3 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,INVALID_DATE=1.76 Subject: LF: Y , AGC and ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi all, pse see http://dj8wx-dl.de/capt74a (receive aerial =3D TX aerial) regards Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (rly-dd05.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.152]) by air-dd04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD041-b794b179cf145; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:12:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD053-b794b179cf145; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:11:46 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NG9aC-0001CD-LP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:10:48 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NG9aC-0001C4-41 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:10:48 +0000 Received: from smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NG9aA-0003x2-PI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:10:48 +0000 Received: from bb-87-82-0-148.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.0.148] helo=[192.168.0.3]) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NG9aA-0009Bg-Bt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:10:46 +0000 Message-ID: <4B179D08.3030706@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:12:08 +0000 From: Peter Dodd User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <1259777260.4b16acec27aa8@imp.netikka.net> In-Reply-To: <1259777260.4b16acec27aa8@imp.netikka.net> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: LF, reducing common-mode noise Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) A couple of weeks ago I asked how can one measure the mu of ferrite rings. I received very good information via this reflector for which I would like to thank those who contributed. I was experimenting with various common-mode chokes, particularly on how to measure their characteristics using the AIM 4170. I was advised that the capacitance of the measuring setup might make the measurements invalid. I introduced various values of capacitance to measure these effects and by extrapolation concluded that my measurement method was acceptable. Inserting large values of capacitance across the common mode choke destroyed its characteristic as a choke and turned it into a selective tuned circuit. This arrangement appears to reduce common-mode noise at the frequency to which it is tuned but is only effective at that frequency. The main advantage is that you don't need such large values of inductance. Regards Peter, G3LDO Paul-Henrik wrote: > Hello Stefan, LF > > I can not overemphasize the possible need to keep the feedline "clean" and free > of RFI that may otherwise make it's way to any active whip antenna. > > My first attempts at deploying the PA0RDT Mini-Whip here were unsuccessful and > disappointing due to the fact that some of the RFI I tried to avoid was > conducted from the shack out to the antenna along the coax. This may among > other things depend on what kind of radio the antenna is connected to. > > If in doubt, my advice is to use one common mode choke where the coax leaves the > house and to ground the coax braid just behind it using an independent > earth-stake and then further a second common-mode choke just before the > feedline goes vertically up to the antenna. > > For common mode chokes I use large high-mu ferrite rings that can take 20 turns > of RG-58 or up to 45 turns of RG-174 but smaller rings can be used with RG-174. > There is a picture here of the first test-choke I used for tracking down my > noise: http://peditio.net/utility/Attachments/choke_sml.jpg > > This may be "overkill" in most installations but I'm sure some users can gain > from these extra measures just as I did. > > > > BR > > Paul-Henrik, OH1LSQ > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (rly-dg09.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.93]) by air-dg07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG074-5ee4b198eb8144; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:35:39 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG093-5ee4b198eb8144; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:35:38 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGgjM-0002zN-Mi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:34:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGgjM-0002zE-81 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:34:28 +0000 Received: from psmtp12.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.24]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGgjL-0007w5-Jo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:34:28 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp12.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KU5001WFG17X8@psmtp12.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 23:34:19 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 23:34:23 +0100 From: henny van elst To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000d01ca74fb$f884b360$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <002001ca7508$26af20c0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Whi is MCP? Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi,Andrey,LF, It was me,pa3cpm,henny best 73s ---- Original Message ----- From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 6:35 PM Subject: LF: Re: Whi is MCP? > Hello Chris, > Probably, "CPM"? It could be Henny PA3CPM. > > 73 Andrey > > > Thanks Mal, what I want to know is who was transmitting 'MCP' in QRSS on > approx. 136.518kHz this morning. Nobody seems to know. > How are you supposed to find out who these abbreviated callsigns are? > Maybe there should be/is a database somewhere?? > Sri the 'Whi' in my subject should have been 'Who'. > Chris, G4AYT. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mal hamilton > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:08 PM > Subject: LF: Re: Whi is MCP? > > > Chris > All the action every nite is around 137.7 on QRS 3 normally also DFCW and > some CW further down the band. > Several stns active most nites, lately HB9, OE, OH, EW6, SP and RU etc > If u want a QSO look in this area. I am also active especially if there > is DX about. > mal/g3lev > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris > To: RSGB LF Group > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:04 PM > Subject: LF: Whi is MCP? > > > Hi All, > Can anyone tell me who was sending MCP on approx. 136.518kHz this > morning? Thanks. > Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.93/2544 - Release Date: 12/04/09 07:32:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de10.mx.aol.com (rly-de10.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.146]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE072-5064b1aacb1111; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 13:55:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE101-5064b1aacb1111; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 13:55:46 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGzlx-0007Q5-Ef for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 18:54:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGzlx-0007Pw-18 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 18:54:25 +0000 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGzlw-0004UL-90 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 18:54:25 +0000 thread-index: Acp13Fh+jaeZ4XsfTXGX7oqkXFGj5Q== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 X-SPAM-FLAG:NO Received: from ([127.0.0.1]) with MailEnable ESMTP; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 18:54:16 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Gus" To: References: <59DC6AF25071476FA37B42E3896BC627@radiorummet> <00aa01ca7548$de12ce70$0201a8c0@Clemens04> <9AF4BA15A6D94C3483BB006F4E38040B@radiorummet> <001a01ca758f$b9fba3d0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> In-Reply-To: <001a01ca758f$b9fba3d0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 19:54:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-CHK: uvtcmail.se X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=BEEN_TURNED_DOWN, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Andrey, Clemens and LF, thanks for the reports and info. It is interesting to discover that long-range reception at very low power! I only use the drive without the power amplifier stage. Also this evening I will run WSPR beacon, QRG 137.650 kHz (Dial 136.150 kHz). Power is the same as yesterday about 50 mW erp. Grateful for all the reports which may be reported on, www.sm6bhz.com 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 10:45 AM Subject: LF: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz > Hello Gus, Clemens, LF, > > 0008 -28 0.9 0.137650 SM6BHZ JO57 17 > 0024 -28 0.9 0.137650 SM6BHZ JO57 17 > 0028 -28 0.9 0.137650 SM6BHZ JO57 17 > > I used WSPR 2.0. > Dial 135.620, Rx BFO 2030 Hz - it really works. > > 73 Andrey > > > Hi Clemens, > > thanks for your info and print my WSPR formerly of 137 kHz. > Not bad considering the low power used! > Luke just wants attention :-) > I have now closed the transmitter for the night. > > Best 73 de Gus SM6BHZ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Clemens Paul > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 2:17 AM > Subject: LF: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz > > > Hi GUs, > > see below: > > 2118 8 0.4 136.151499 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 > 2138 9 0.6 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 > 2144 8 0.7 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 > 2218 7 0.6 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 > 2222 8 0.7 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 > 2226 9 0.8 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 > > As my internert connection has been broken during the last hours no data > upload > has taken place. > Probably a few loggings are missing because I had to use my dipole for > receiving whis is periodically disturbed when our heater is is on. > My K9AY has been turned down this late afternoon by our three months old > labrador 'Luke'. > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > > > > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gus > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:55 PM > Subject: LF: WSPR on 137 kHz > > > Hello LF-group, > > this evening i will transmit, WSPR on 137.650 kHz 136.150 kHz dial. > Power abt 50 mW ERP. > Transmitter start at 16:00 GMT > All reports are welcome. > You can also log on, > > www.sm6bhz.com > > 73 de Gus SM6BHZ > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. > Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de > Version: 9.0.709 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.93/2544 - Ausgabedatum: > 12/04/09 08:32:00 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (rly-dc08.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.37]) by air-dc09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC094-b3c4b17fdf922a; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:06:02 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC088-b3c4b17fdf922a; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:05:46 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGG2V-000373-UG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:04:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGG2V-00036u-HC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:04:27 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGG2U-0007EJ-Gn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:04:27 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so1430012bwz.4 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:04:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=iBW5S8YEj+VlF1YEE4zUdAkrqp4qIDTvzqyxf/fiZP8=; b=szYKgSm01pOvkzIuaFNMBMVVV7AoHrboQpEHsDHfQAQvqbUp0zv1ssfuYqQCneFxpa K0o0EJ82U3IfTTfeGK3IJD/cNu4ruQnTtKQtjEE87P3MFfDxpnFuDsfDJs7VFPYj2Qi/ bEvEUJyHn2l8M5dbpttQHNwTW8RNrxKUFWNPE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=A9WAJwmoUhLYeRIsEaxr/3Vty6CK2gDeagYai22vue66JEMjI/wuVOoas77acZVZTS NgMOVBj+rPMwHMmPD4hp5cO7yBsgXVc+f6nEuzSrmdSICXuqLLmynf0xrc17hlHqv6xF DDPrjWfHDB/922dy9r1r5mHrzcpW1aTaK2j0o= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.16.85 with SMTP id n21mr1956877bka.140.1259863460022; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:04:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 18:04:19 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2640912031004h41c8eb67t8427d65670a634f2@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Skywave on 500kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0003255599ba0008f00479d6d294 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m242.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0003255599ba0008f00479d6d294 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In the evenings I'm surprised just how good my reports are from F6CNI some 418kms away near Paris. Last night my 1mW ERP was being received at 0dB S/N on WSPR and already he's given me -3dB again tonight. If signals are *this* strong by sky wave, how much further could I reasonably expect to get? SM6BHZ and GM4SLV have heard me (850-950kms), but can I (reasonably) expect much further? What is the typical attenuation on each ground reflection for multiple hops over water and over land? BTW, still not on 136kHz yet. 73s Roger G3XBM -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0003255599ba0008f00479d6d294 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In the evenings I'm surprised just how good my reports are from F6CNI= some 418kms away near Paris. Last night my 1mW ERP was being received at= 0dB S/N on WSPR and already he's given me -3dB again tonight.

= If signals are this strong by sky wave, how much further could I re= asonably expect to get? SM6BHZ and GM4SLV have heard me (850-950kms), but= can I (reasonably) expect much further?=A0 What is the typical attenuatio= n on each ground reflection for multiple hops over water and over land?
BTW, still not on 136kHz yet.

73s
Roger G3XBM

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G3XBM =A0= =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088
--0003255599ba0008f00479d6d294-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da04.mx.aol.com (rly-da04.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.78]) by air-da05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA051-a624b20277f41; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:41:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA042-a624b20277f41; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:41:04 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIVCe-0005tm-Im for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:40:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIVCe-0005td-7f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:40:12 +0000 Received: from mcgi74.rambler.ru ([81.19.67.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIVCd-0006Xp-1D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:40:12 +0000 Received: from [91.77.91.188] by mcgi74.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:40:09 +0300 From: Roman RW3ADB To: Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:40:09 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: Message-Id: <392758439.1260398409.48146488.79519@mcgi74.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (untone), http://mail.rambler.ru X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 147.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi LF! http://qrss.nm.ru/grabber.html Grabber started onto 147.3 kHz Roman * hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com [Wed, 9 Dec 2009 21:52:17 -0000]: > In pre test viewing from the DDH47 signal is good and decoding weather > at 50 baud 23Hz Shift "reverse" on the DigitalMaster 780 portion of Ham > radio delux. > > > RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY > CQ CQ CQ DE DDH47 DDH9 DDH8 > FREQUENCIES 147.3 KHZ 11039 KHZ 14467.3 KHZ > RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY > > etc > > China grabber will show graphical signal output until I have togoto > work. SAQ pre test was detectable last night, just. > > http://kl1x.com/screen2.html > > Laurence KL 1 X in BY3A China OM89UA -- Roman RW3ADB. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db10.mx.aol.com (rly-db10.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.85]) by air-db09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB092-af14b1fcd2e12d; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:16:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB107-af14b1fcd2e12d; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:15:45 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIPBE-0002rP-L2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:14:20 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIPBE-0002rG-4y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:14:20 +0000 Received: from mail.cz.gmc.net ([77.48.211.230]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIPBB-0000yz-OY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:14:20 +0000 Received: from Lenovo (192.168.100.32) by dove.gmc.net (192.168.40.18) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.1.393.1; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 17:14:10 +0100 Message-ID: <135E792448854F708A9745D2BD305468@gmc.net> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Petr_Mal=FD?= To: References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 17:14:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-EsetScannerBuild: 6185 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Well, I am not sure that it is a good news, in fact. So far only people that were able and willing to build their own TX's (Ropex First was not a hit, was it) were on the band. And the ham-spirit existed on the band. Something that I loved and admired most. I am sure some people will invest the money. It will be much easier for them to get on the band and therefore they will not appreciate the band as we did. Hopefully no one will start to produce the loading coils as well. At least something that the newcomers should manage. 73, Petr, OK1FIG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 4:30 PM Subject: LF: TX-2200A > Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 > Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver > muting. > Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! > > http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf > > > > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4673 (20091209) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4673 (20091209) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md06.mx.aol.com (rly-md06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.144]) by air-md03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD031-90e4b260f1a3a7; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 05:10:48 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD066-90e4b260f1a3a7; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 05:10:36 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NK7oZ-0000Dt-MF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:06:03 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NK7oY-0000Dj-4A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:06:02 +0000 Received: from psmtp12.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.24]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NK7pX-0000wE-7x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:07:05 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp12.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KUN008H603IQU@psmtp12.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:06:55 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:06:50 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <6330BF27F79446A0885847B11E8CDA69@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: OSSI 13-12.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ilcqrSvFw/5nyKAp+f51YQ)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --Boundary_(ID_ilcqrSvFw/5nyKAp+f51YQ) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_laE6V1EwD7SesWxPrgbipQ)" --Boundary_(ID_laE6V1EwD7SesWxPrgbipQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Ossi, strong again, best 73s henny cpm Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: OSSI 13-12.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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Hi Ossi,
strong again,
best 73s
henny cpm
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autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: LF radio equipment G3AQC SK Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-246368688-1260609858=:69443" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m233.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass --0-246368688-1260609858=:69443 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Peter. Could you please send me a list of these items, Where are they located? 73s. Ken M0KHW --- On Fri, 11/12/09, Peter Dodd wrote: From: Peter Dodd Subject: LF: LF radio equipment G3AQC SK To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Friday, 11 December, 2009, 22:32 G3SAQ SK It has been my sad duty to help the Laurie's family dismantle his radio st= ation. His LF radio equipment is for sale and comprises the Decca transmitter, po= wer supplies and an assortment of coils and selective level meters. For a full list email me direct. I regret I cannot undertake to ship any= of this equipment, it is a case of buyer collects. regards Peter, G3LDO --0-246368688-1260609858=:69443 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Peter.
Could you please send me a list= of these items, Where are they located?

73s.
Ken
M0KHW
--- On Fri, 11/12/09, Peter Dodd <g3ldo@ukonline.co.uk><= /b> wrote:

From: Peter Dodd <g3ldo@uko= nline.co.uk>
Subject: LF: LF radio equipment G3AQC SK
To: rsgb_lf= _group@blacksheep.org
Date: Friday, 11 December, 2009, 22:32

G3SAQ SK

It has been my sad duty to help the= Laurie's family dismantle his radio station.
His LF radio equipment is= for sale and comprises the Decca transmitter, power supplies and an assor= tment of coils and selective level meters.
For a full list email me dir= ect. I regret I cannot undertake to ship any of this equipment, it is a ca= se of buyer collects.

regards

Peter, G3LDO

--0-246368688-1260609858=:69443-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da04.mx.aol.com (rly-da04.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.78]) by air-da08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA083-a614b23e60b1d7; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:51:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA041-a614b23e60b1d7; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:50:52 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJX2J-0002Rt-0a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:49:47 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJX2I-0002Rk-Ku for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:49:46 +0000 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([195.4.92.90]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJX2O-00015S-J2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:49:53 +0000 Received: from [195.4.92.11] (helo=1.mx.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.70 #1) id 1NJX2N-0002zl-Sq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:49:51 +0100 Received: from g230094112.adsl.alicedsl.de ([92.230.94.112]:1371 helo=[192.168.0.100]) by 1.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #94) id 1NJX2N-0003jS-Fo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:49:51 +0100 Message-ID: <4B23E5CD.6090209@freenet.de> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:49:49 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Wolfgang_B=FCscher?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC1F@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B23B319.9080005@usa.net> <4B23C4B5.10102@freenet.de> <003e01ca7b4d$307ac190$3ab27cbc@ap6fnsa53r3k6h> In-Reply-To: <003e01ca7b4d$307ac190$3ab27cbc@ap6fnsa53r3k6h> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Japanese time&frequency station Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Marcin, At the very moment on VLF..LF : 22.1 kHz GQD (Anthorn), strong, 23.4 kHz DHO, extremely strong (my "VLF neighbour", hi) 24.0 NAA Cutler, USA, about 40 dB weaker than DHO but very cleary visible, 25.2 NML La Moure, USA, about 10 dB weaker than NAA but still visible around 30 kHz : hell of a noise from energy saving QRM generators, 37.5 kHz TFK from Iceland, strong, around 40 kHz : lots of noise again, almost masking NAU on 40.75 kHz, 45.9 NSY (US navy from Italy), very strong also, 51.95 GYW from Scotland, 53.4 TBG from Turkey with a RTTY-like sound (no MSK) plus a few 'unidentified' signals which don't look like MSK . 73, Wolf . Marcin schrieb: > Hello Wolf > Whats stations copy your monitor to range: 22-50kHz? > 73! Marcin SQ2BXI > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (rly-dc08.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.37]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC061-b384b17d7823dc; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:22:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC084-b384b17d7823dc; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:21:40 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGDTr-0002JB-NA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:20:31 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGDTr-0002J2-3k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:20:31 +0000 Received: from mail-ew0-f214.google.com ([209.85.219.214]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGDTp-00067B-C3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:20:31 +0000 Received: by ewy6 with SMTP id 6so1675519ewy.29 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:20:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=I0SRJmtNHgi/d245Bi5ZG0JTTU7wxf/59aAn8awSkY4=; b=HZdmqFr2hB2XLokaMeWQOGivZ4qMb3BwUlcWz4yercX/wR74cMr54qEjPkk7aUHeDb GG5ZnJMNAktyjz1PvnNiqdNpOZt/Ni7N+caOOlO/l3Z8kck5LaAVF70GMMb56UM+DSW4 c2kH/F/Dr5VMBAFKKC9FGOgEHUF13CPV8e5EI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=qCfMmLBZFszC3AB4uwut83A3/Hz8s1YaTV5gyo3+Esp2Dlae3A4RpturP870aKBglM 7lGcjHjhWBSM9br/SCbPXJKdneL5z6Prc52yMBwk1NjAiLyUB603pqk+Gxqrnn2KeYG3 Sjku23N3Kbl/rIn65nidqCQiZSb2ieEN9Y22A= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.110.9 with SMTP id l9mr1857497ebp.14.1259853623551; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:20:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <254102CCC310104CA9DA9DA31EBD03CE02CEB57D3F@exlnmb06.eur.nsroot.net> References: <254102CCC310104CA9DA9DA31EBD03CE02CEB57D3F@exlnmb06.eur.nsroot.net> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 16:20:23 +0100 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anton_B=E4rtschi?= To: "Scholz, Marco" , rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: Re: LF: Re: qso Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015173ff92eb367210479d48707 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d256.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0015173ff92eb367210479d48707 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hallo Marco Werde ab 20:00 MEZ in QRS3 CQ rufen und nach Dir Ausschau halten. Es w=FCr= de mich auch freuen, wenn's klappen w=FCrde. 73 de Toni, HB9ASB 2009/12/1 Scholz, Marco > Hallo Toni, > Ich werde am Freitag auch QRV sein. Wuerde mich ueber ein QSO mit dir > freuen. Waere fuer mich das erste nach HB, aber mein Setup ist recht kle= in. > Gruss, 73 > Marco, DD7PC > > ------------------------------ > *Von*: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org < > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> > *An*: Marcin ; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org < > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> > *Gesendet*: Tue Dec 01 19:03:24 2009 > *Betreff*: Re: LF: Re: qso > > Hello Marcin > Yes, we will try it again. If WX is good, I will be QRV Friday Evening, > probably allready from 19:00 til 23:00 UTC. > 73 de Toni > > 2009/11/30 Marcin > >> Hello Toni >> If you calling my I have QSO on DK8ND. I copied your twice transmiting= CQ. >> Maybe have qso next friday? >> 73! Marcin >> >> >> >> Hello Marcin >> I've seen your signal in QRS10. It was quite strong. I called you, but >> probably my signal was too weak. May be we can make a QSO next weekend. >> 73 de Toni, HB9ASB >> >> >> 2009/11/24 Anton B=E4rtschi >> >> Hello Marcin >> Yes, would be nice to make a first contact SP-HB9. As far as i know, it >> never took place. How abot this weekend, saturday or sunday? Have you= ever >> seen my signal? Should we try it in QRS3 or QRS10? >> 73 de Toni, HB9ASB >> >> >> 2009/11/23 Marcin >> >> Hello Toni >> Plise QSO on 136kHz. >> We have 1W EIRP and antenna 30m hight and 120m long. >> -- >> Vy 73! >> Marcin SQ2BXI >> (SP2KDS Team) >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Internetowi nie placa! Otworz Konto Direct. >> Kliknij >> http://link.interia.pl/f2448 >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Audi kilka tysiecy zlotych taniej? Przebieraj wsrod tysiecy ogloszen! >> Kliknij >>> http://link.interia.pl/f2424 >> >> > --0015173ff92eb367210479d48707 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hallo Marco
Werde ab 20:00 MEZ in QRS3 CQ rufen und nach Dir Ausschau= halten. Es w=FCrde mich auch freuen, wenn's klappen w=FCrde.
73 de= Toni, HB9ASB

2009/12/1 Scholz, Marco <marco.scholz@= citi.com>
Hallo Toni,
Ich werde am Freitag auch QRV sein. Wuerde mich ueber ein= QSO mit dir freuen. Waere fuer mich das erste nach HB, aber mein Setup is= t recht klein.
Gruss, 73
Marco, DD7PC

Hello Marcin
Yes, we will try it again. If WX is good, I will be QRV Fr= iday Evening, probably allready from 19:00 til 23:00 UTC.
73 de Toni
2009/11/30 Marcin <<= a href=3D"mailto:bxi@interia.pl" target=3D"_blank">bxi@interia.pl><= /span>
Hello Toni
If you calling my I have QSO on DK8ND. I copied your twice transmiting CQ.=
Maybe have qso next friday?
73! Marcin



Hello Marcin
I've seen your signal in QRS10. It was quite strong. I called you, but=
probably my signal was too weak. May be we can make a QSO next weekend. 73 de Toni, HB9ASB


2009/11/24 Anton B=E4rtschi <hb9asb@gmail.com>

Hello Marcin
Yes, would be nice to make a first contact SP-HB9. As far as i know, it never took place. How abot this weekend, saturday or sunday? Have you ever=
seen my signal? Should we try it in QRS3 or QRS10?
73 de Toni, HB9ASB


2009/11/23 Marcin <= bxi@interia.pl>

Hello Toni
Plise QSO on 136kHz.
We have 1W EIRP and antenna 30m hight and 120m long.
--
Vy 73!
Marcin SQ2BXI
(SP2KDS Team)

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Internetowi nie placa! Otworz Konto Direct.
Kliknij >> http://link.interia.pl/f2448


--------------------------------------------------------------= --------
Audi kilka tysiecy zlotych taniej? Przebieraj wsrod tysiecy ogloszen!
Kliknij >>> http://link.interia.pl/f2424



--0015173ff92eb367210479d48707-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf01.mx.aol.com (rly-mf01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.171]) by air-mf05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF051-9414b25410e300; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:31:44 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF017-9414b25410e300; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:31:27 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJu8h-0007z0-RK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:29:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJu8h-0007yr-Fq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:29:55 +0000 Received: from web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com ([69.147.97.72]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJu9F-0005yD-0I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:30:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 94820 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Dec 2009 19:30:28 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1260732627; bh=w82qsbZghHZf97l6yct6QFSTJZuMKgLUfT09x4dUUxQ=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=AgP2NyTUaE4R9WPzGUZ4IPaOM3wDihe8Ak7LNH2zZoS2Y4LNwbinjwZK/7wGi5u+H7iaaiJ1X6Qg3iD0XvrAH3geSCbiRfmPjTEcLNEE0m51TSsMYAOXvhoFf4Dj+hytLMhyXrM78eTsiTL9dX63DBNN9XbXdNoREi0C9wyi7tM= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ENHy0GewP5unloQsFnruAHaK7cmsVIZKNeJAJOKvJ2pvTKz9QqQGRiomtSPcZuldlfB/tbRuDu6QeZZAnKTe4aLXxkdrE0UA6/0ido5Hh4353AGgxvwk3M7HGkyG6kNk/mrMPV42KxyL2FCLJbL1HdKSeV6MYxCGgeoDaO0BThM=; Message-ID: <981195.94143.qm@web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Qx8vkfAVM1kwNcdMHXXgRa3KE16eFmJODJPUW2f3MpqLsydYgJmanbZkda9bIP9IhMhs7lw412LCjABLB2R4WFd7psxj6aLxUKAF.Tru6yfctVYrPKkn5ez3ua.IX2qATPv4RUuNIU0aC3aOl5aTYKLMX4ltE6VxCHKoQH9Z95J5bLrW.ELt55iLorChpdnnZIVppnWdaa0MqF.RXgaB1EPCzaaUZh6U1qX_f6NswdMphH8TBr3mZzea1XkeFbpMswAkDlgrpBQAqdP4NOEqXPH7p8Y.HIJcUww45QkQMEhY8DGSzhjj6XL8qgVjAyNrYENTxM7C9ARNpNtObvBQflDc8NZu29KGUQGxCuWoiOKc1VdeeOWb_z.Nhg_WA0IMJO_7.Vbs7wz2 Received: from [66.191.248.86] by web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:30:27 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:30:27 -0800 (PST) From: Andy - KU4XR To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <002c01ca7c1b$48b827b0$6402a8c0@e7010> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG QRO QRSS3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d285.1 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : pass Walter: Is your frequency still 505.090 KHz ?? Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29866 KHz ( QRSS-60 ) Coordinates: N: 35* 43' 54" - W: 84* 3' 16" http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr http://webpages.charter.net/ku4xr/ --- On Sun, 12/13/09, Walter und Marianne Staubach wrote: > From: Walter und Marianne Staubach > Subject: LF: DI2AG QRO QRSS3 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 12:39 PM >=20 >=20 > =20 > =20 >=20 >=20 > =20 > Dear MF, > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 DI2AG is >=20 > now transmitting in=A0 QRSS3 with more power - 2W ERP > instead of 0.4W ERP.=20 > Please your reports via wum.staubach@t-online.de > or dj2lf@darc.de >=20 > The machine will run until > tomorrow 7UTC - if she=20 > does the job. > Thanks and 73 > Walter=A0 DI2AG / > DJ2LF > =A0 > =A0 > =A0=20 >=20 =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db05.mx.aol.com (rly-db05.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.80]) by air-db08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB083-ac54b16d1341ab; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:42:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB053-ac54b16d1341ab; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:42:30 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFvxv-0007hm-LV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:38:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFvxv-0007hd-44 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:38:23 +0000 Received: from mbox2.netikka.net ([213.250.81.203]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFvxu-0000Ut-2q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:38:23 +0000 Received: from tupu.netikka.net (tupu [172.16.83.90]) by mbox2-feedback.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F721408182 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:38:16 +0200 (EET) Received: from imp1.netikka.net (imp1.netikka.net [213.250.85.154]) by tupu.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F344B4B005F for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:38:15 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imp1.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 171A5495BCB for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:38:16 +0200 (EET) Received: from 558602b6.adsl.multi.fi (558602b6.adsl.multi.fi [85.134.2.182]) by imp.netikka.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:38:16 +0200 Message-ID: <1259786296.4b16d03812827@imp.netikka.net> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:38:16 +0200 From: Paul-Henrik To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <254102CCC310104CA9DA9DA31EBD03CE02CEB57D58@exlnmb06.eur.nsroot.net> <4B16CD94.4050301@inext.at> In-Reply-To: <4B16CD94.4050301@inext.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 85.134.2.182 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: OE3GHB and OE5ODL around 137.7kHz Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="-MOQ125978629621f6ef0b0a4cea959ff8ef9528b63811" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 ---MOQ125978629621f6ef0b0a4cea959ff8ef9528b63811 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LF Copied OE3GHB and OE5ODL around 137.7kHz about 2030UTC CW mode is LSB so frequencies are inverted. 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Sanders" To: Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 09:07:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Stations on 505kHz last night. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA8866.61665AA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cd4b39b9486dfd X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA8866.61665AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To DI2AM and all LF Good morning all, also copied by ear two transmissions just above 505k= Hz last night. 29-12-2009 00:50utc 505.20kHz DI2AM, QRSS3 and plain CW. 29-12-2009 01:00utc 505.03kHz QRSS3? and plan CW ...XS...? Please confirm DI2AM is ok and give a clue who could be the other stat= ion. Kind Regards, Michael (Mike) / PC4M ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA8866.61665AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To DI2AM and all LF
 
Good morning all, also copied by ear= two=20 transmissions just above 505kHz last night.
 
29-12-2009 00:50utc 505.20kHz DI2AM,= QRSS3 and=20 plain CW.
29-12-2009 01:00utc 505.03kHz QRSS3?= and plan CW=20 ...XS...?
 
Please confirm DI2AM is ok = and give a=20 clue who could be the other station.
 
Kind Regards,
 
Michael (Mike) / PC4M
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA8866.61665AA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc09.mx.aol.com (rly-mc09.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.93]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC024-d964b297f29183; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:45:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC096-d964b297f29183; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:45:31 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NL4Qp-0004Gx-VN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:41:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NL4Qp-0004Go-HM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:41:27 +0000 Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.41]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NL4Su-0000IV-Mx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:43:37 +0000 Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nBH0htRs013402 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:43:55 -0500 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.bcd.604bf5b0 (37103) for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:43:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (host-92-9-61-146.as43234.net [92.9.61.146]) by cia-db08.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB081-90ef4b297ebe71; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:43:50 -0500 From: g4gvw To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:43:46 +0000 Message-Id: <1261010626.941.9.camel@pat-compaq-evo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.1 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: G4gvw@aol.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Optic transmission etc. Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Stefan et. al., Stefan, you might wish to direct some of this discussion towards Alan g3nyk. Some years ago while working together on some commercial applications he and I had very interesting ideas about using optical links in both commercial and amateur transmitter designs for the purpose of simplifying unwanted coupling between various stages including the matching problems that may sometimes arise. Opto-isolation is also quite useful in the practice of isolating direct galvanic coupling. Alan, I recall had some quite novel and interesting ideas (as he often has) and would be worth drawing into the discussion if you can prise him away from his other pretty consuming interests. Rgds -- 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw qth nr felixstowe uk (east coast, county of suffolk) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me02.mx.aol.com (rly-me02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.35]) by air-me08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME082-99f4b201346264; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:15:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME023-99f4b201346264; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:14:47 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NITqn-0004wn-NC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:13:33 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NITqn-0004we-3H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:13:33 +0000 Received: from nina.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.76]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NITql-0003JI-C8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:13:33 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by nina.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nB9LDOEn030307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 17:43:24 -0330 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 17:43:24 -0330 (NST) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70912091153iaa6a489ia1a35bc98f56233a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <57a24ca70912091153iaa6a489ia1a35bc98f56233a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: 507.77 kHz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) VX9MRC is sending a 'ceremonial' transmission until 2300 and again at 0100 following the DDH47 transmissions on 147.3 kHz. Reports most welcomed! 73 Joe VO1NA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (rly-dc03.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.32]) by air-dc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC011-b104b190684b6; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 07:54:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC034-b104b190684b6; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 07:54:30 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGXer-0006ch-HX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:53:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGXer-0006cY-4g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:53:13 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGXeq-0004Db-C1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:53:13 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nB4CrA08020073 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:53:11 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:53:10 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:53:09 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB3D@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <4B18BE10.9090208@telia.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: AW: [Fwd: Extra transmission with SAQ Dec 10 2009] Thread-Index: Acp0twJpue7bVSAWRaGrRIHdopBWyQAKXvMw From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.604;03.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.4.124526 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: LF: AW: [Fwd: Extra transmission with SAQ Dec 10 2009] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Johan,=20 No problem at all. It was just a short info. Gl es 73 es hpe for a qso next! Stefan / DK7FC -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von Johan H. Bodin Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Dezember 2009 08:45 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: AW: [Fwd: Extra transmission with SAQ Dec 10 2009] I'm sorry but I didn't do the spelling - I simply forwarded the message=20 I got from SAQ. 73 Johan SM6LKM Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > The german physicist is called Karl Ferdinand Braun=20 > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Ferdinand_Braun )! >> The reason for the extra transmission is a centenary commemoration of= =20 >> the Nobel Prize given to Guglielmo Marconi and Karl Ferdinand Brown. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md04.mx.aol.com (rly-md04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.142]) by air-md06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD064-8fa4b1fd5743a8; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:51:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD042-8fa4b1fd5743a8; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:51:02 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIPjQ-0003CG-Hy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:49:40 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIPjQ-0003C6-55 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:49:40 +0000 Received: from mail-yx0-f203.google.com ([209.85.210.203]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIPjO-0001MQ-Lh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:49:40 +0000 Received: by yxe41 with SMTP id 41so17439417yxe.30 for ; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:49:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=/snplwX5WPyfc3ixqzFDdh4SV2+WAfEF9K5vA7J9BUY=; b=f3j+HHaI5vSOeMKYCzW2v9425lh2jRguiLi6e93mjd0TaoYeCpW195eNpHpir5SaAj mmP9VNYCEQFgmdXtfSjEp624mp3zUSvb0QIiURI4g9DVxkT3PUMceFs7jQ7m15rQmdXA FOtZ8zT4TTZ7bpJ89CitbIRg7roS8+P+H6o9U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=RAMeykBf+omBnUp4QS2vomaw3QvqpAk2cv4KRnh9YfiM9J1xTFBwbj6IDXKNEnINXr zEqRNDwno4agxydn32uYiAhxJ3Y5dLmubzx4zSF29UuO1EQGLF5Xs+qRmRxuMScn2pAf D01vis97F5klNl8oOcgGCrRcuBCriZAPjJjoA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.24.2 with SMTP id 2mr16829423ybx.172.1260377372397; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:49:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <260E0D94909542FC8C7B5FF6FA1A3680@Uwe> References: <260E0D94909542FC8C7B5FF6FA1A3680@Uwe> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 11:49:32 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca70912090849g501ebc1em4495252c825ee0dc@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: JUMA 136Kc Xmitter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m271.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Uwe, Yes the Juma TX136 and TX500 are very FB transmitters, and they have a receive bandpass filter, rx converter and keyer built in ! I have both - I've only tested them on a dummy load so far. -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Uwe Wensauer wrote: > Much cheaper JUMA 136kc TX as Tx-2200A > > > http://www.nikkemedia.fi/juma/ > > I built this tx already - it works fine, but dont have antenna so far ... > > 73 > Uwe, dk1kq -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (rly-dg11.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.95]) by air-dg07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG074-6074b1d3c431b1; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 12:33:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG118-6074b1d3c431b1; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 12:32:52 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHhQw-0002fj-0b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 17:31:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHhQv-0002fa-KN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 17:31:37 +0000 Received: from mail-yx0-f203.google.com ([209.85.210.203]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHhQu-00063l-Th for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 17:31:37 +0000 Received: by yxe41 with SMTP id 41so12375914yxe.30 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:31:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=64YVIBaelm9HCcv061y+hrBSZMzILtk66xDKNPHlG8A=; b=dWDJxXFFnfnXUUlCv8X3y3qER68Oh866qiRGMdS//+mTfNQ5gfkzZbHSu/0BX0Qd8X kIvAyAnfkzeige09B9BOqZ3YIOrWuKnmSqGAFxDsgfZl6PI22i9CMvS/sYz8Vr5M1ebb WQdZpH4F0C+YFtbgTj1k8yRjZlDBrT+iMew+M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=XRHz4twkDS3mps44VdrYmNhxR7q3eAWTI06DhiToPmJrSG+Pe3SHw/5Fc01bixMCCa kZW+FaLRemQy4tqZhAUD4dYZngcIKjh3I0gnDJS3EJPdf/1lihnc4+PPjA1YLBil7mgS 0G9UQd1HkG5jnC93cEE9hd+oUTu0mWrSXpqCg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.254.8 with SMTP id b8mr3978112ybi.136.1260207089770; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:31:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <004401ca774f$ae6c3810$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> References: <4B1C2AFB.4060504@mail.ru> <004401ca774f$ae6c3810$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 12:31:29 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca70912070931ja01e51dw23f13556dae9a0d5@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: Re: LF: XGJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m227.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Andrey, Thank you for the capture! -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Andrey rn3agc wrote: > Hello Warren, LF > Capture last night at 02.58 > > 73 Andrey From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma01.mx.aol.com (rly-ma01.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.44]) by air-ma02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA023-8884b203283235; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:28:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA012-8884b203283235; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:28:05 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIVwE-0006Q6-S5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:27:18 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIVwE-0006Pv-3f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:27:18 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIVwA-00049b-Sr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:27:18 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so6088157bwz.4 for ; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:27:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=tBrBkpGu3a16jPkYoCu8JD7867Fbf/isKNp9kkXQhCY=; b=HW5PV56t3ROEq+Y00t7ne7h7dfSx6pUXzAHsrpN+AgaMKpPIxOsyEctTXuAAeCwK3X cXW3oVu48izEk6hPfze/ZSz+lk5ywVZ05qyK6iNGtS+mPcf9ybM/UK0IhoRyHEN1qIPJ ewpH64N7Hha43s3RvpNSxtXbRrM0y1CFM2rcc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=k81nqyBCFHSGKS9+heacYYjxHlKxWkHYwvHwikR+jNx/GE8ipEchCfGGMfi/R9HG+q QKNlUxDt5wgzGJiH3xDfp8TYtpwRlploqE8paYPmmmElFvPHes6e6hY+f1cAXR8S+PxQ 2m8AfpZnI5B+bTFqM26M1QAhcZo4SPGIOpZzg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.152.154 with SMTP id g26mr2850990bkw.54.1260401229118; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:27:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20250.29213.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <510B0611943F48E1975A8F833B63FBD5@AGB> <20250.29213.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 23:27:09 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<< Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175d09de893e81047a54071c X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m230.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0015175d09de893e81047a54071c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 With the transverter "in the open" (rat's nest) on the desktop there is a warm-up drift of about 40Hz HF until things settle down. This has not been an issue with WSPR as the drift in a single TX slot is only about 1-2Hz usually (WSPR copes with this) and it soon settles down to 0Hz drift. I have not tried QRSS but imagine you'd have to ensure the xtal oscillator is made more thermally stable for v.slow QRSS, but would guess it would be OK for some moderate QRSS operation. Putting the whole unit in a box should help. My little circuit works, but is surely capable of much improvement, HI. 73s Roger G3XBM 2009/12/9 ALAN MELIA > Sounds good Roger and Graham... what it the stability like the problem with > transverters/upconverters normally is that while ok for some modes they are > often not stable enough for the very weak signal modes. These are modes > where you need to know the frequency of a station very accurately because > you will not hear it, or it will only pop above the noise for short periods. > > Alan G3NYK > > > --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Graham wrote: > > > From: Graham > > Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<< > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 22:13 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All > > > > This latest > > addition to the > > HF / MF tx convertor opens the door > > to data > > communications on 500 ... ranging from > > 'all' the K1JT systems > > through to the single carrier > > multi tone > > systems of > > MFSK , DOMINO and THOR .. even > > the almost > > forgotten Amtor-arq and Packtor modes , anyone > > still have > > there pk232 > > > > listed are > > data modes that may be used with > > non-linear systems :- > > > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/meat-grinder-comms > > > > G.. > > > > > > > > > > From: Roger > > Lapthorn > > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 12:20 AM > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > > > > > Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX > > transverter > > > > Dear All, > > > > My WSPR tx up-converter has now been modified to > > a full TX/RX tranverter suitable for WSPR, QRSS and > > CW in a > > very simple way, making use of the FT817 split > > facility which allows you > > to RX on 500kHz and TX on 28MHz. By adding a series LC > > between the TX PA and the > > FT817 input/output RF connection (with back-to-back diodes > > at the L and C > > junction, this allows "pass through" from the > > 500kHz ATU to the FT817 on RX > > (tuned to 500kHz). On TX, the diodes conduct and the C part > > is in parallel with > > the first cap in the TX low pass filter. This scheme is now > > working really well > > with good RX sensitivity and no change in TX power out. > > > > Schematic of the > > transverter is on my blog at http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > > . My > > attempt to add it as an attachment to an email here earlier > > failed. > > > > This more or less concludes my 500kHz experimenting, apart > > from > > getting a few more CW QSOs in the log. It's been great > > fun all the way with lots > > of support from folks here. I was going to try 136kHz, but > > think I will now give > > this a miss for now. > > > > 73s > > Roger G3XBM > > -- > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > > G3XBM > > GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > > > > > > > > > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0015175d09de893e81047a54071c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable With the transverter "in the open" (rat's nest) on the deskt= op there is a warm-up drift of about 40Hz HF until things settle down. Thi= s has not been an issue with WSPR as the drift in a single TX slot is only= about 1-2Hz usually (WSPR copes with this) and it soon settles down to 0H= z drift. I have not tried QRSS but imagine you'd have to ensure the xt= al oscillator is made more thermally stable for v.slow QRSS, but would gue= ss it would be OK for some moderate QRSS operation. Putting the whole unit= in a box should help.

My little circuit works, but is surely capable of much improvement, HI= .

73s
Roger G3XBM

2009/12/9 AL= AN MELIA <alan.melia@btinternet.com>
Sounds good Rog= er and Graham... what it the stability like the problem with transverters/= upconverters normally is that while ok for some modes they are =A0often no= t stable enough for the very weak signal modes. These are modes where you= need to know the frequency of a station very accurately because you will= not hear it, or it will only pop above the noise for short periods.

Alan G3NYK


--- On Wed, 9/12/09, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> From: Graham <g8fzk@g8f= zk.fsnet.co.uk>
> Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<= ;<
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 22:13
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> All
>
> This =A0latest
> addition to =A0the
> HF / MF =A0tx convertor =A0opens the =A0door
> to =A0data
> communications =A0on 500 ... ranging =A0from
> 'all' =A0the K1JT systems
> through to =A0the =A0single carrier
> multi =A0tone
> systems =A0of
> MFSK =A0, =A0DOMINO and THOR =A0.. even
> the =A0almost
> forgotten =A0Amtor-arq =A0and Packtor modes , anyone
> still =A0have
> there pk232
>
> listed =A0are
> data =A0modes that =A0may be =A0used with
> non-linear systems :-
>
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/meat-g= rinder-comms
>
> G..
>
>
>
>
> From: Roger
> Lapthorn
> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 12:20 AM
> To: rsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep.org
>
>
> Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX
> transverter
>
> Dear All,
>
> My WSPR tx up-converter has now been modified to
> a full TX/RX tranverter suitable for WSPR, QRSS and
> CW =A0in a
> very simple way, making use of the FT817 split
> facility which allows you
> to RX on 500kHz and TX on 28MHz. By adding a series LC
> between the TX PA and the
> FT817 input/output RF connection (with back-to-back diodes
> at the L and C
> junction, this allows "pass through" from the
> 500kHz ATU to the FT817 on RX
> (tuned to 500kHz). On TX, the diodes conduct and the C part
> is in parallel with
> the first cap in the TX low pass filter. This scheme is now
> working really well
> with good RX sensitivity and no change in TX power out.
>
> Schematic of the
> transverter is on my blog at http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
> . My
> attempt to add it as an attachment to an email here earlier
> failed.
>
> This more or less concludes my 500kHz experimenting, apart
> from
> getting a few more CW QSOs in the log. It's been great
> fun all the way with lots
> of support from folks here. I was going to try 136kHz, but
> think I will now give
> this a miss for now.
>
> 73s
> Roger G3XBM
> --
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> http://g= 3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
> http://www.g3xbm= .co.uk
> G3XBM
> =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088
>
>
>
>
>




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--0015175d09de893e81047a54071c-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (rly-mf05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.175]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF082-95f4b2a0ba535e; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 05:45:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF055-95f4b2a0ba535e; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 05:44:56 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLDmp-0002Oc-Ch for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:40:47 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLDmo-0002OT-TX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:40:46 +0000 Received: from n12.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.125.209]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLDpZ-00035a-EI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:43:37 +0000 Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n12.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2009 10:43:29 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.68] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2009 10:43:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp420.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2009 10:43:29 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 504897.1249.bm@omp420.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 47223 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2009 10:43:29 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=P2yd2jz1qbsALyFZiujqho4aaKO6Vne0J6apfY7hxQZugf2rULougcnbpMGldMU9Dcu3/1sU45YhjBwd8Byf8N7ggFZTJjp0mskAm7E7ZvPw8AskqQgKQ5MK99Qt384bmkJ4/2/JPOKYXb6hoHV9EQg3OGR2+037DMjTuXzRgVY= ; Received: from host86-151-140-44.range86-151.btcentralplus.com (ken.h.wright@86.151.140.44 with login) by smtp139.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2009 02:43:29 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9Y6mUHuswBAgnrOsukIiNdFDf95uy_Dz34nY1hlg2liKgYD952sjbg-- X-YMail-OSG: rBIPiboVM1nS14rVTbYbjMXyosG0J2c9p6tjvoHPF9xLzGj2S.NiX6TbCwqNiZQvKyRwESzkq202CwuOETtY9wmF82hWH26VyV54aa1d6rtjPUctsWQVJpiyfmP6G_E0PgNkR3NpHDHYRfP8dZcTdMnQxq6ZOnC0TggtR6sDJlTQJEWWzl3OsnHG3Nm5p6RJDqb1SCsGNgDnnsmw8OJWdgkeyCbv1upBWffVeHSZplLQ2sw9sU96h3NSxVKqAMl9k1xL_TP3hCOoIswEqX8tW.k03yAQoPl4beStKmSFbttZnIxiqHbirlieCKi7_fbSKWKVNy1YVcFanU9APi2N8t1IFmO7PSPMjTvaNtZR0yCieGT67A9zK.UKGKVLSzDbaJGooas- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <6F962616C1CC4C1B844AF099CB1BB55D@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <1542517694@web.de> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:43:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: Re: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Optical fibres are fine for transmission and remove all the problems of interference and cross talk at a stroke, but please be careful and observe optical safety precautions when using lasers and other light sources. I worked on optical systems for many years during my time with BT, and optical safety took priority over every thing else. All optical fibres need to have a perfect cleave on the ends, and the connectors be absolutely clean, if you are not launching into an optical connector then alignment will be a problem, similarly at the receive end. 73. Ken M0KHW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Horst Stcker" To: Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:01 AM Subject: LF: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals In theory it's a good Idea which I had some weeks before without working it out. Years before I also have made tests with FTA (free to air) optical transmissions with a DL2CH-Transceiver and a TRX-Kit by Aatis which is quite much simpler. Even with that it was no problem to link between two points about a few meters. In this case you should think about an IR-LED. Unfortunately, the Aatis receiver has a photo transistor instead of a diode. But it should be no great deal to modify that. The problems with FTA optic transmission for this application are imho: - You have to be sure, that no one can be injured by the laser beam, especially at unattended operation. - Think about how many hours/the beam has it's full power before becoming much weaker. - The optics must be kept clean. This could be a problem if the units are out of reach. - The units have to be mounted absolutely stable. For Example, on a swinging fibre rod you'll never bring a laser beam exactly to the rx area. I bet, (FTA) optical transmission just changes one problem with a few others. But the transmission with optical cable seems interesting. What type of cable do you suggest? I do not think, my TOS-Link cable would stand weather/UV and mechanical conditions outside for a long time. Horst DO1KHS ___________________________________________________________ Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate fr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb11.mx.aol.com (rly-mb11.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.169]) by air-mb02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB022-d3b4b1c188d137; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:48:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb11.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB117-d3b4b1c188d137; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:48:14 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHO0s-0006CQ-G9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:47:26 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHO0r-0006CH-Uw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:47:25 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s38.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.49]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHO0p-0002LW-U0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:47:25 +0000 Received: from BLU146-DS2 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s38.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 6 Dec 2009 12:47:17 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [221.198.86.16] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: To: Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 20:47:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2009 20:47:17.0096 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C131E80:01CA76B5] X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: UA4WPF RA3YO Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA76B5.4BBC4BF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,NO_REAL_NAME,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA76B5.4BBC4BF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Y" RA3YO readable dfcw 137778.05/.15 and "WPF" 137778.75/.85 Nice= and clear into Bohai Bay this early morning (its 0430 local) - DCF= 39 sitting at S3 to S5, same for Budapest which is its normal couple= of dBs stronger. MSFSK type RTTY signal around 135.8 ish Khz is S2.= QRN is low, kicking up the meter to S3 occasionally. Im also seeing weak 2 min period transmissions on my 502.4 dial spectr= um out put and Ill keep my beady bloodshots on that too. Wheres the coffee... Still lower strength signals being somewhat offset my the very low QRN= levels. Laurence KL 1 X in BY3A OM89UA Tanggu China Temp PA0RDT probe on fishing pole, R75. Snappers on http://kl1x.com/screen2.html E China http://kl1x.com/screen.html South Central Alaska ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA76B5.4BBC4BF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
"Y" RA3YO readable dfcw 137778.05/.15 and=20 "WPF"   137778.75/.85   Nice and clear into Bohai= Bay this=20 early morning  (its 0430 local)  -  DCF39 sitting at S3= to S5,=20 same for Budapest which is its normal couple of dBs stronger. MSFSK ty= pe RTTY=20 signal around 135.8 ish Khz is S2.  QRN is low, kicking up the me= ter to S3=20 occasionally.
 
Im also seeing weak 2 min period transmissio= ns on my=20 502.4 dial spectrum out put and Ill keep my beady bloodshots on that= =20 too.
 
Wheres the coffee...
 
Still lower strength signals being somewhat= offset my=20 the very low QRN levels.
 
Laurence KL 1 X in BY3A OM89UA
Tanggu China
Temp PA0RDT probe on fishing pole, R75.
 
Snappers on
 
ht= tp://kl1x.com/screen.html  South=20 Central Alaska
 
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA76B5.4BBC4BF0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me01.mx.aol.com (rly-me01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.34]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME064-9954b1d4549159; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:11:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME011-9954b1d4549159; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:11:24 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHi2U-0002uj-R9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:10:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHi2U-0002ua-EF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:10:26 +0000 Received: from mcgi72.rambler.ru ([81.19.67.209]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHi2R-0006LU-PD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:10:26 +0000 Received: from [91.77.89.121] by mcgi72.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:10:20 +0300 From: Roman RW3ADB To: Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:10:20 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <1523192292@web.de> Message-Id: <545734478.1260209420.51424136.43539@mcgi72.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (untone), http://mail.rambler.ru X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 in QRSS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format="flowed" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Horst, LF! * Horst Stöcker [Mon, 07 Dec 2009 10:18:16 +0100]: > Hello, > I just quoted the first message that was published somewhere I do not > remember at all. > Great that you remarked the mistake. > The date 9-11 December should be right. Both dates will be right? twice transmission? I'm understood right? > I is also published in the "official" flyer 1.0 nobeld.pdf > 73 HORST > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: "Roman RW3ADB" > > Gesendet: 07.12.09 02:49:11 > > An: > > Betreff: Re: LF: DDH47 in QRSS > > > > Hello Horst, LF! > > Remember about your info and look > > http://www.doese-apprt.de/pfbday/nobel.html today again. > > I can see that info: > > >>From 9th December 2009 23:00 until 10th December 2009 01:00 UTC the > > transmitter is available for 2 hours in telegraphy. > > > > It will be possible more exact about that? > > > > It will be from 9 to 10 or from 10 to 11? What is true? > > > > * Horst Stöcker [Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:52:11 > > +0100]: > > > Hello, > > > > > > despite some of you might have heard about the following news, I was > > > very surprised and I am looking forward to this event: > > > > > > DDH47 147.3 khz in QRSS 3 > > > > > > In Honor of Nobelprize Winner Marconi and Prof. Ferdinand Braun a > > > special transmission will be Date: > > > > > > 10. Dec 2009 Time: Start 2300 UTC > > > > > > Frequ. 147,3 kc Mode: > > > > > > QRSS 3 > > > > > > PWR: 20 kW > > > > > > The weather forcast transmitter Pinneberg DDH47 will stop RTTY ( 50 > > Bd) > > > transmission in between 10. Dec 2300h UTC and 11. Dec 001 UTC In > this > > > timegap, the TX will be used for a special event transmission. Short > > > words in QRRS 3 will be transmitted. After the transmission You may > > > confirm the receiving at a shortwave frequency or via Internet ( QRG > > and > > > adress will be given later) You may check propagation every day / > > night > > > at 147,3 Kc DDH47, because the TX is working 24 Hours > > > > > > vy73 Horst DO1KHS > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > > Neu: WEB.DE DSL bis 50.000 kBit/s und 200,- Euro Startguthaben! > > > http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Roman RW3ADB. > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > GRATIS für alle WEB.DE-Nutzer: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! > Jetzt freischalten unter http://movieflat.web.de > > -- Roman RW3ADB. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md03.mx.aol.com (rly-md03.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.141]) by air-md06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD064-8f44b3a76ae25e; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:38:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD034-8f44b3a76ae25e; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:37:52 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPjkN-00010d-07 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 21:36:55 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPjkM-00010U-9P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 21:36:54 +0000 Received: from n22a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.207.188]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPjkL-0002Zn-TP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 21:36:54 +0000 Received: from [68.142.200.221] by n22.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2009 21:36:46 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.244] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2009 21:36:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp405.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2009 21:36:46 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 557478.64934.bm@omp405.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 4625 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2009 21:36:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=CylzlAVMQ+2n+9xe7bGquUGwqMCSWpvaLtXHFVxlBi4Jlx1Pc46LsgJoXgQAlJ9YbE73nJoTkHcdBll7r6dVX9VDm73H6r7cPSShvtPaKnz8QcqE3UmX4Q8K6UDdSgoDZaH63cIwKbhxcWi5em8iCaYUowzRhT0ImLXrWD0cxso= ; Received: from host86-161-178-91.range86-161.btcentralplus.com (ken.h.wright@86.161.178.91 with login) by smtp136.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2009 13:36:45 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9Y6mUHuswBAgnrOsukIiNdFDf95uy_Dz34nY1hlg2liKgYD952sjbg-- X-YMail-OSG: gMAAPT8VM1lZM0KJFfL7ojRmqBP_69fl6g.1gZVk1HFLzW8r0OIxTU9KojN3wvMMnEapupuY4Z2UqikX_zC2l0fZc9IeDIfJ_kjiPp87pORwBlwn7JAhweKMeiZVz_sxMGUbqrd0jsDRvSrPdOtNvGYh6xp3.7.Xiqnf43DJ.MPVk7HDnaNnC7V1468tUCyuiUoExJI9ORAhFt5.7Z7q.zC5a9359OXpeLgzHL.kE1oB1gBxx75.uicasDuNOImvX..QbtTwOI1R0.8htpBD7.duKsBWW8GX7ff1FPW5RyVC.ODWYMentii_yePpRjskq3J8SVJX89pSFSgAAke45YTHfHkm4ARl7ALN X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <31D12909B3E54BA9B9750DD5F8E42819@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <1542517694@web.de> <6F962616C1CC4C1B844AF099CB1BB55D@lindavideo> <000f01ca7fc2$c666f6a0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <200912291031040414.59AABDD1@smtp2.numeo.fr> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 21:36:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 If it is red then the optical wavelength is about 850nm, what you also need to know is the type of fibre on the sound card, i.e, multi mode or single mode. Multi mode fibre is usually 50/125 microns and single mode 9/125 microns, the first number is the core diameter, the second the overall fibre diameter, as you can see you do not want to try and launch a multi mode light source into a single mode fibre.. 73s. Ken. M0KHW ----- Original Message ----- From: "John RABSON" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 9:31 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Agreed we should be careful. My Creative Labs soundcard (external USB) has SPDIF optical connectors as well as electrical. The Optical Out connector emits a faint red light but I can't find any mention of safety in the user manual. F5VLF *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 18/12/2009 at 09:16 mal hamilton wrote: >Radio Amateurs BEWARE - Appliance Operators DO NOT TOUCH > >G3KEV > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ken" >To: >Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 10:43 AM >Subject: LF: Re: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX >signals > > >> Optical fibres are fine for transmission and remove all the problems of >> interference and cross talk at a stroke, but please be careful and >observe >> optical safety precautions when using lasers and other light sources. I >> worked on optical systems for many years during my time with BT, and >optical >> safety took priority over every thing else. All optical fibres need to >have >> a perfect cleave on the ends, and the connectors be absolutely clean, if >> you are not launching into an optical connector then alignment will be a >> problem, similarly at the receive end. >> >> >> 73. >> Ken >> >> M0KHW >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Horst Stcker" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:01 AM >> Subject: LF: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX >signals >> >> >> In theory it's a good Idea which I had some weeks before without working >it >> out. >> >> Years before I also have made tests with FTA (free to air) optical >> transmissions with a DL2CH-Transceiver and a TRX-Kit by Aatis which is >quite >> much simpler. >> Even with that it was no problem to link between two points about a few >> meters. >> >> In this case you should think about an IR-LED. Unfortunately, the Aatis >> receiver has a photo transistor instead of a diode. But it should be no >> great deal to modify that. >> >> The problems with FTA optic transmission for this application are imho: >> - You have to be sure, that no one can be injured by the laser beam, >> especially at unattended operation. >> - Think about how many hours/the beam has it's full power before becoming >> much weaker. >> - The optics must be kept clean. This could be a problem if the units are >> out of reach. >> - The units have to be mounted absolutely stable. For Example, on a >swinging >> fibre rod you'll never bring a laser beam exactly to the rx area. >> >> I bet, (FTA) optical transmission just changes one problem with a few >> others. >> >> But the transmission with optical cable seems interesting. >> >> What type of cable do you suggest? I do not think, my TOS-Link cable >would >> stand weather/UV and mechanical conditions outside for a long time. >> >> Horst DO1KHS >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate fr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! >> http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ >> >> >> >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me10.mx.aol.com (rly-me10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.44]) by air-me09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME092-9e04b22dc9eee; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:58:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME104-9e04b22dc9eee; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:58:23 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJFMP-0003gi-QS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:57:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJFMP-0003gZ-7p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:57:21 +0000 Received: from imr-mb02.mx.aol.com ([64.12.207.163]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJFMO-0004DF-0F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:57:21 +0000 Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nBBNvAIc030705 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:57:10 -0500 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.c9c.58f66b27 (34983) for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:57:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from Black (g229087131.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.229.87.131]) by cia-da08.mx.aol.com (v127.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA088-88a74b22dc4c21a; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:57:01 -0500 Message-ID: <031E83CD8D72440486D28C1EBA4E53C3@Black> From: "Markus Vester" To: References: <88EEC52E6C874CCEB966804D073A3376@White> <57a24ca70912110724l43b18b68t5d2f18849fb14147@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70912110724l43b18b68t5d2f18849fb14147@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:56:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01CA7AC5.FFCBE920" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01CA7AC5.FFCBE920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Warren, LF, well your point about the winter night is perfectly understood...=20 A fixed QRG will not be a problem for transatlantic contacts, as long= as we Eu's would transmit in the lower band. Only if during the secon= d half of your night you'd aim West, and someone from over there might= want to fire up near your QRG, the two of you could end up blocking= possible coast-to-coast contacts.=20 There is also a technical answer: you could perhaps tune remotely usin= g a relay, or even connect the additional capacitance at the input of= the feedline. It may add in a bit of extra loss but not much, as only= 2% of the reactance would need to be switched. Best wishes, Markus (DF6NM) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Warren Ziegler" To: Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 4:24 PM Subject: Re: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes Markus, My antenna tuning unit is outside 100 meters away from= the ham shack. I am unwilling to go out in the winter night to retune the antenna to= QSY to the lower frequency segment. --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 3:38 AM, Markus Vester = wrote: Dear LF, the passage should have said: Taking into account the path of mutual darkness, this would mean that= all stations should transmit in the UPPER band during their evenings= until local midnight, and then QSY to the lower band for the rest of= the night. Sorry for the confusion. 73, Markus ... ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01CA7AC5.FFCBE920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Warren, LF,
 
well your point about the winter= night is=20 perfectly understood...
 
A fixed QRG will not be a= =20 problem for transatlantic contacts, as long as we Eu's would tran= smit in=20 the lower band. Only if during the second half of your night you'= d aim=20 West, and someone from over there might want to fire up near= your=20 QRG, the two of you could end up=20 blocking possible coast-to-coast contacts.
 
There is also a technical answer= : you could=20 perhaps tune remotely using a relay, or even connect the addition= al=20 capacitance at the input of the feedline. It may add in a bit of= extra loss=20 but not much, as only 2% of the reactance would need to be=20 switched.
 
Best wishes,
Markus (DF6NM)
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Warren Ziegler" <wd2x= gj@gmail.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_grou= p@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 4:24= =20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Intercontinental LF= =20 waterholes

Markus,

   &n= bsp;         =20 My antenna tuning unit is outside 100 meters away from the ham shack.<= BR> I=20 am unwilling to go out in the winter night to retune the antenna to QS= Y to the=20 lower frequency segment.

--
73 Warren=20 K2ORS
          &= nbsp;    =20 WD2XGJ
          =      =20 WD2XSH/23
         &nb= sp;     =20 WE2XEB/2
         &nbs= p;     =20 WE2XGR/1

On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 3:38 AM, Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com>= =20 wrote:
Dear LF,

the passage should ha= ve=20 said:

Taking into account the path of mutual darkness, this wou= ld mean=20 that all stations should transmit in the UPPER band during their eveni= ngs until=20 local midnight, and then QSY to the lower band for the rest of the=20 night.

Sorry for the confusion.

73,=20 Markus
...
------=_NextPart_000_002A_01CA7AC5.FFCBE920-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da07.mx.aol.com (rly-da07.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.81]) by air-da04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA042-a7f4b27aac2167; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:27:30 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA077-a7f4b27aac2167; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:26:59 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKZFy-0006Bb-J1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:24:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKZFx-0006BS-Vp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:24:09 +0000 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKZHL-0006L6-RD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:25:39 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmwFAJI5J0tcHB8h/2dsb2JhbACCJ9ZChCsEgWI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,400,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="203298463" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.28.31.33]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2009 15:25:42 +0000 Message-ID: <001d01ca7d9a$dbedc9b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC7C@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:25:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: AW: Re: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10 / PA design Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA7D9A.DB9CC380" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA7D9A.DB9CC380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable An old scrap Line output transformer 3C5 material from a tube TV will= handle 1 Kw of RF and costs nothing. For my LF and MF TX the LOPT came out of my junk box. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 2:51 PM Subject: LF: AW: Re: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10 / PA design Hello Jim! First i want to say that i am glad to meet you here. Do you remember= our QSO in 2004? And mni tnx for your article to the tuning meter (an= d others)! I have built it 2003 and it is for me the most useful measu= ring device on LF at all! Yes, on 137kHz a half bridge is also a good idea since the losses ar= e quite small. But, for a half or full bridge like in these decca tran= smitters, one needs an output ferrite core that can handle the whole= output power. I think these are expensive (?), not easy to get and co= uld be driven into saturation when dimensioned well. In my class e PA= I use a single (!) IRFP360 that costs 1,9 Euro in the moment. This PA= can easily handle 1kW with an efficiency of more than 96%. In the who= le PA circuit, no ferrite cores are used, just two iron powder cores= for the output filter. The driver is one cheap ICL7667, available for= 1,1 Euro. All Capacitors are of the type wima FKP1 (2kV version), cos= ts are below 1 Euro. So, I think a half bridge is more expensive? Best 73 and hope for another QSO!!! Stefan / DK7FC -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von James Moritz Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Dezember 2009 15:15 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: Re: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10 / PA design Dear Stefan, LF Group, A much better choice of circuit topology for QRO transmitters using= an=20 off-line rectified mains PSU of about 330V is the half- or full brid= ge,=20 voltage-mode class D, as used in the "Decca" PAs, and G4JNT's off-li= ne=20 design. Here the peak voltage across each MOSFET is only equal to th= e DC=20 supply voltage, so cheap 500V Mosfets designed for off-line SMPSUs= are=20 ideal. The class E and push-pull current-mode class D designs are be= tter for=20 relatively low voltage supplies, say < 40V. The limitation on TX power that can be used at LF with a vertical an= tenna is=20 the antenna voltage, roughly Iant * XCant. In my experience, corona= =20 breakdown becomes a problem in the 10 - 20kV range with a wire anten= na. So=20 to use high power, and so achieve high antenna current and ERP, you= need=20 high antenna capacitance. Also, the voltage will be increased if the= antenna=20 loss resistance is low. I found that, with an 10m high inverted L an= tenna of=20 about 50m of wire in total, I could run 1.2kW reliably, provided car= e was=20 taken to eliminate sharp ends, narrow spacings, etc. in the antenna= and=20 tuner. This resulted in up to 5A antenna current, and about 17kV on= the=20 antenna wire. Even so, I have to increase the antenna height in orde= r to=20 approach 1W ERP. At 500k, the antenna impedance is much lower, and= =20 efficiency also usually higher, so TX power is less of a problem. In my experience, DX contacts using QRSS30 are quite practical, give= n a=20 large supply of strong coffee! But with longer dot periods, good pro= pagation=20 does not last long enough to complete even a minimal QSO. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA7D9A.DB9CC380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
An old scrap Line output transformer= 3C5=20 material from a tube TV  will handle 1 Kw of RF and costs=20 nothing.
For my LF and MF TX the LOPT cam= e out of my=20 junk box.
mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 15,= 2009 2:51=20 PM
Subject: LF: AW: Re: "Gain"= between qrss3=20 and qrss10 / PA design

Hello Jim!

First i want to say that i am glad= =20 to meet you here. Do you remember our QSO in 2004? And mni tnx for= your=20 article to the tuning meter (and others)! I have built it 2003 and= it is for=20 me the most useful measuring device on LF at all!

Yes, on 137kHz a half bridge is=20 also a good idea since the losses are quite small. But, for a half= or full=20 bridge like in these decca transmitters, one needs an output ferrite= core that=20 can handle the whole output power. I think these are expensive (?),= not easy=20 to get and could be driven into saturation when dimensioned well. In= my class=20 e PA I use a single (!) IRFP360 that costs 1,9 Euro in the moment.= This PA can=20 easily handle 1kW with an efficiency of more than 96%. In the whole= PA=20 circuit, no ferrite cores are used, just two iron powder cores for= the output=20 filter. The driver is one cheap ICL7667, available for 1,1 Euro. All= =20 Capacitors are of the type wima=20 FKP1 (2kV version), costs are below 1 Euro. So, I think a half= bridge is=20 more expensive?

Best 73 and hope for another=20 QSO!!!

 

Stefan / DK7FC

 

 

-----Urspr=FCngliche=20 Nachricht-----
Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von James=20 Moritz
Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Dezember 2009 15:15
An:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: LF: Re: "Gain" between qrss= 3 and=20 qrss10 / PA design

 <= /P>

Dear Stefan, LF=20 Group,

 <= /P>

A much better choice= of circuit=20 topology for QRO transmitters using an

off-line rectified ma= ins PSU of=20 about 330V is the half- or full bridge,

voltage-mode class D,= as used in=20 the "Decca" PAs, and G4JNT's off-line

design. Here the peak= voltage=20 across each MOSFET is only equal to the DC

supply voltage, so ch= eap 500V=20 Mosfets designed for off-line SMPSUs are

ideal. The class E an= d push-pull=20 current-mode class D designs are better for

relatively low voltag= e supplies,=20 say < 40V.

 <= /P>

The limitation on TX= power that can=20 be used at LF with a vertical antenna is

the antenna voltage,= roughly Iant *=20 XCant. In my experience, corona

breakdown becomes a= problem in the=20 10 - 20kV range with a wire antenna. So

to use high power, an= d so achieve=20 high antenna current and ERP, you need

high antenna capacita= nce. Also, the=20 voltage will be increased if the antenna

loss resistance is lo= w. I found=20 that, with an 10m high inverted L antenna of

about 50m of wire in= total, I could=20 run 1.2kW reliably, provided care was

taken to eliminate sh= arp ends,=20 narrow spacings, etc. in the antenna and

tuner. This resulted= in up to 5A=20 antenna current, and about 17kV on the

antenna wire. Even so= , I have to=20 increase the antenna height in order to

approach 1W ERP. At= 500k, the=20 antenna impedance is much lower, and

efficiency also usual= ly higher, so=20 TX power is less of a problem.

 <= /P>

In my experience, DX= contacts using=20 QRSS30 are quite practical, given a

large supply of stron= g coffee! But=20 with longer dot periods, good propagation

does not last long en= ough to=20 complete even a minimal QSO.

 <= /P>

Cheers, Jim=20 Moritz

73 de M0BMU

 <= /P>

 <= /P>

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b=wCpStXON1K9LjVHf26nyLL8/adVnzqWb0ttsRVLUL0EJNxNhxO1HddjYEagozDYU+j WFS+Q9zIeJ4BxWrVsZu/XuH/G8YyPDMi7aeUf0qTjfS6d0Y3rvIWnLW8an0GyG29D09j S55BJZ91hUYoaxFtJsMIkBEZCDDlJFf3pVSNQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.244.83 with SMTP id l19mr132252hbq.202.1260999823151; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:43:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:43:43 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d268.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) We recently installed a commercial, (Procomm) E-field Whip at work for HF monitoring/listening. Its on the roof of the building, about 25m high bolted to a metal rail connected to the building steel structure. But initialialy as an oversight, the ground wire of the whip wasn't connected to the building frame so teh whip was working agains teh braid of the coax.. The lab is inside a huge brand, new metal framed building with just about every modern electrical gadget there is. The crud from about 2000 PCs, air conditioning, building management systems, security locks and alarms etc imposed so much onto the outside of the run of coax going to the roof, there was about 200mV of noise injected and returning down the coax inside, amplified into the Rx. THe ONLY HF signal that could be heard was the BBC from Rampisham, about 40 miles away nearly line of sight. Grounding the antenna to the metal framework of the roof platform, reduced the noise by something like 50dB, and while its still bad, amateurs could be heard on 7MHz. Conclusion, don't install an HF receiving facility on a major industrial-type building. If you need an electrically quiet HF receiving facility, put it in a field in the middle of nowhere. Now, if only our managers could be persuaded of that :-) Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police 2009/12/16 Dave G3WCB : > Hello, Stefan. > > This is very interesting. I have a MiniWhip on a pole some distance from= the > house, and it seems that most of the interference (ADSL hash) seems to= be > re-radiated by the coax outer and picked up by the antenna. > > A relatively short optical link of one or two metres may still reduce th= e > pick-up, as it would break the "copper" connection to the antenna. > > Alternatively, it might be possible to transvert the amplified LF signal= up > to a vhf frequency and then set up a remote RX some distance away. > > You could switch the power on and off by using a pressure switch from a > discarded washing machine connected to the shack by a lenght of 6mm=A0pl= astic > tubing. Apply slight positive pressure to turn on the antenna circuitry! > > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E.=A0England. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Stefan Sch=E4fer > Sent: 16 December 2009 16:51 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals > > Dear Lowfers, > > I want to start a new subject (for me it's new)... > > The last weeks I still had RX problems, either with the tx antenna or wi= th > the short E-flied RX antenna. > > I found out that the noise was/is generated by my notebook which made RX= ing > difficult, even in regions without any else local QRM (what could almost > bring me to shut down the PC and just do nice and easy CW QSOs without > anything else! (but most traffic is in QRSS...)). > > Then I have done mni tests with many many ferrite cores (that I found in= an > older emc lab in our institute), e.g. 20x FT50-77 plus 20x FT50-43 plus= 20x > FT50-61 and e few others. I placed them all in series, partly in the nea= r of > the preamp and/or in the near of the RX. Sure, there was a significant > reduction of noise but lastly the noise remains. > > Accidentally, during a test with my VFO connected to the same 12V supply= of > my preamp, I observed a strong line in the argo monitor EVEN without an > antenna (short wire) connected to the VFO and when turned the amplitude= to > zero! That meant for me, the VFO and its supply is not suppressed enough= and > so some RF comes to the preamp by the coax and supply line! (the preamp= is > supplied by a battery). I thought, I can use this (normally unwanted) > coupling path to test the blocking capability of the ferrite cores and= so I > tried it with all variations and later with an additional BIG ferrite co= re > and many turns of RG174. As I meant, surely there is a significant noise > reduction but the line in argo was still well visible! > > What I have done then (since 4 days) is using a coupling link by an opti= c > transmission of the 137kHz signal between the preamp and my RX using a > SFH750V as the TX Diode and a SFH350 as the RX and abt 20m of a fiber op= tic > cable (yes, there are surely more suited components but these were avail= able > in the moment). These are also used as optic links into high end audio > systems and therefore easy to get... > > Now, when placing the preamp on the same place then during the tests bef= ore > and just changing the coax by the fiber optic cable, the line by the VFO= was > completely gone!! Just with an antenna connected to the VFO and high > amplitude (and thus e real near-field =93connection=94) it came back. Th= e > overall noise level decreased to its absolute minimum during all the tes= ts. > > Before I used this optic cable the only signal that could be received (o= ut > of the city with much much qrm) was DCF39 and DLF and so on. Now, DCF39= came > out with much better SNR and I saw the first LF Stn at all, it was Ossi= / > OE5ODL transmitting his 5s in the evening (tnx! very nice SNR in QRSS3 > mode). > > My conclusion is, that the qrm is always brought to the very sensitive > E-field antenna by the coax, even when doing many usual suppression meth= ods > cause there always remains a residual coupling impedance between both si= des > of the cable. Furthermore a long coax cable, say 20m away from the shack > carries some qrm to the near of the rx antenna so the effective distance= to > the shack is always reduced. > > One small disadvantage of this method is the need for a battery supply.= My > TX diode needs abt 20mA and is now working since 3 days with a 7AH Lead= Acid > battery. In the future I plan to use a stereo optic cable. Then, one cou= ld > switch the preamp on and off by the seconds line doing it the opposite= way. > So, smaller batteries could be used, which is necessary when mounting th= e > preamp to a shaky fiber mast if one does not want to change the batterie= s > each few hours ;-) > > Signal distortion seems to be no problem, as I can confirm until now. > > Now, my K2 has an optical LF input! ;-) > > Perhaps this will give some ideas to the local qrm bothered stns who tri= ed > everything with ferrite cores, isolating transformers and so on without= a > satisfying result. > > NOTE: I do not know if anyone has tried this before and has written a > publication about that. My goal is not to be the hero in inventions, to > become popular and especially not to compete with anyone (like it seems= to > be usual in career/job to be the one who gets the pay rise) but just to > share my ideas to those who are interested to try something new (?). I= do > not say that my solution is the best at all and so on! But, if it will= help > only one Lowfer getting new ideas and improving his station, and if this > improvement results in more activity on the band, then it would have hel= ped > all of us! > > > > > > 73s es 55 de Stefan / DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd10.mx.aol.com (rly-dd10.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.157]) by air-dd08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD083-ba64b2ca698206; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 05:10:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD108-ba64b2ca698206; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 05:10:34 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLwBV-0001Gz-NU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:05:13 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLwBV-0001Gq-5C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:05:13 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s15.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.25]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLwFM-0003EM-4s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:09:13 +0000 Received: from COL122-W12 ([65.55.34.9]) by col0-omc1-s15.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 19 Dec 2009 02:09:01 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 11:09:01 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Dec 2009 10:09:01.0680 (UTC) FILETIME=[49991F00:01CA8093] X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MISSING_SUBJECT=1.345 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_190d2a33-5cb6-4220-a815-bae899bbff84_" Subject: LF: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --_190d2a33-5cb6-4220-a815-bae899bbff84_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_171463d3-82f9-4e5c-b03f-b975b3e37e37_" --_171463d3-82f9-4e5c-b03f-b975b3e37e37_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Warren, LF! I saw your signal this morning. Lubos, OK2BVG =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED infor= mace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_171463d3-82f9-4e5c-b03f-b975b3e37e37_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Warren, LF!
I saw your signal this morning.

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--_190d2a33-5cb6-4220-a815-bae899bbff84_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (rly-mf02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.172]) by air-mf04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF041-9484b2221821c7; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:40:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF026-9484b2221821c7; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:40:04 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ13f-0004Vz-EX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:41:03 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ12z-0004Ve-Mj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:40:21 +0000 Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com ([64.12.100.31]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ12x-000627-BI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:40:21 +0000 Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nBB8cUrj009693 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 03:38:30 -0500 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.cad.5e1959e5 (43906) for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 03:38:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from White (e179164100.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.179.164.100]) by cia-dc07.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC073-ab824b2204fb2f8; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 03:38:20 -0500 Message-ID: <88EEC52E6C874CCEB966804D073A3376@White> From: "Markus Vester" To: References: Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 09:38:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA7A45.ABBAAB30" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,NO_DNS_FOR_FROM autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA7A45.ABBAAB30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF, the passage should have said: Taking into account the path of mutual darkness, this would mean that= all stations should transmit in the UPPER band during their evenings= until local midnight, and then QSY to the lower band for the rest of= the night.=20 Sorry for the confusion. 73, Markus=20 From: Markus Vester=20 Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 12:14 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes Dear LF group, recently we find the "transatlantic waterhole" around 137.777 kHz quit= e busy. Several Europeans have started beaconing within this segment.= And there has been some fast (QRSS3 or 10) activity, with wide traces= covering up possible transatlantic DX signalling frequencies. During the last years, we have attempted to split the frequency bands= for both directions of transatlantic work. Traditional segments were= around 137.777 kHz west-to-east (for Americans transmitting towards= Eu), and around 136.320 kHz east-west (for Eu to stateside). Slow mod= es (QRSS or DFCW, 60 second and longer) were used almost exclusively= there, and several stations were able to successfully cross the pond= in either direction. The situation has become a little more intricate as more stations from= other parts of the world (eg. Asia, China, Japan) are joining the gam= e with sensitive receivers and good signals. But I still think it woul= d be helpful to separate RX and TX bands within each area as much as= possible.=20 My suggestion would be to stick with the east-west versus west-east al= location of the two slots. Taking into account the path of mutual dark= ness, this would mean that all stations should transmit in the lower= band during their evenings until local midnight, and then QSY to the= lower band for the rest of the night. Receiver settings would of cour= se be vice versa. I'm aware that this scheme cannot be perfect and universal. It won't= cover North-South hauls, and would not protect signals during early= or late openings. But it's simple enough, and I believe it would stil= l be very useful. Please don't get me wrong - I do not want to discour= age anyone from putting out a signal, and certainly reject the notion= of anything reminiscent of a "band police". I just think a little coo= rdination may help all of us to be successful on this challenging and= fascinating band. Let me have your thoughts... 73 de Markus, DF6NM http://freenet-homepage.de/df6nm/Grabber.htm ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA7A45.ABBAAB30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear LF,
 
the passage should have said:<= /DIV>
 
Taking into account the path of mutua= l darkness,=20 this would mean that all stations should transmit in the UPPER ba= nd during=20 their evenings until local midnight, and then QSY to the lower band fo= r the rest=20 of the night.
&= nbsp;
Sorry for the confusion.
 
73, Markus= =20

From: Markus Vester
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 12:14 AM
Subject: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes
=
Dear LF group,
 
recently we find the "transatlantic= waterhole"=20 around 137.777 kHz quite busy. Several Europeans have started beaconin= g within=20 this segment. And there has been some fast (QRSS3 or 10) activity, wit= h wide=20 traces covering up possible transatlantic DX signalling=20 frequencies.
 
During the last years, we have a= ttempted=20 to split the frequency bands for both directions of transatl= antic=20 work. Traditional segments were around 137.777 kHz west-to-e= ast (for=20 Americans transmitting towards Eu), and around 136.320 kHz east-west= (for Eu to=20 stateside). Slow modes (QRSS= or DFCW, 60=20 second and longer) were used almost exclusively there, and severa= l stations=20 were able to successfully cross the pond in either direction.
 
The situation has become a little mor= e intricate=20 as more stations from other parts of the world (eg. Asia, China,= Japan) are=20 joining the game with sensitive receivers and good signals. But I stil= l think it=20 would be helpful to separate RX and TX bands within each area as much= as=20 possible.
 
My suggestion would be to stick= with the=20 east-west versus west-east allocation of the two slots. Taking in= to account=20 the path of mutual darkness, this would mean that all stations should= transmit=20 in the lower band during their evenings until local midnight, and then= QSY to=20 the lower band for the rest of the night. Receiver settings would=  of=20 course be vice versa.
 
I'm aware that this scheme canno= t be perfect=20 and universal. It won't cover North-South hauls, and would not=20 protect signals during early or late openings. But it's simple enough, and I believe it would st= ill be very=20 useful. Please don't get me wrong= - I do not want=20 to discourage anyone from putting out a signal, and certainly&nbs= p;reject=20 the notion of anything reminiscent of a "band police".= I just=20 think a little coordination may help all of us to be successful= on=20 this challenging and fascinating band.
 
Let me have your thoughts...
 
73 de Markus, DF6NM
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA7A45.ABBAAB30-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (rly-mc03.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.87]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC024-d654b250d4645; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:50:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC035-d654b250d4645; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:50:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJqgr-0004Sx-2Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:48:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJqgq-0004So-LA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:48:56 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJqhL-0004XS-7g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:49:28 +0000 Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091213154927.QLFB27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:49:27 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091213154927.FNIX13254.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:49:27 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:49:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B250D02.733.14E9A34@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC12@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> References: <1260444821.6353.65.camel@vaio3rd>, <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC12@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=0WSUxHMXFWIA:10 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=26arz0xHYuwx9Tws_60A:9 a=R7a7poSOAvNoGjkAtyUEELdpt_4A:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 See my web page: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mike.dennison/index/lf/gallery/dl3zid.htm for an illustration of the difference between QRSS3 and QRSS10 on a marginal signal. Mike, G3XDV ========== > Does anybody know about the "gain" between QRSS3 and QRSS10 or QRSS30? > I mean, if the noise in both cases is equal, how much can I reduce my > tx pwr when switching from qrss3 to qrss10? Or isn't it possible to > give such a relation? And: Was there ever a TA QSO in QRSS3? I am new > on the reflector, sri ;-) > > Stefan / DK7FC > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (rly-dg03.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.87]) by air-dg04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG044-5b24b37770e306; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:03:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG033-5b24b37770e306; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:02:40 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOucU-0002cL-E3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:01:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOucT-0002cC-VK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:01:21 +0000 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOucR-0000vB-2y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:01:21 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsIEAAIFN0tOlKrz/2dsb2JhbACNWwaOeLRYhDME X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,459,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="244925704" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.148.170.243]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2009 15:00:57 +0000 Message-ID: <000901ca8705$619b14a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <003301ca8658$f4935220$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:00:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: Re: MF unid Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01CA8705.6136FBA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CA8705.6136FBA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All now QRT and MGY de g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: LF: MF unid=20 Three UNID stns active on MF PAT, XMAS TEST and IBHE G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CA8705.6136FBA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 
All now QRT and MGY
 
de g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Saturday, December 26,= 2009 6:26=20 PM
Subject: LF: MF unid

Three UNID stns active on MF PAT,= XMAS TEST and=20 IBHE
G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CA8705.6136FBA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db04.mx.aol.com (rly-db04.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.79]) by air-db03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB033-ac04b1ec0d1188; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:10:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB046-ac04b1ec0d1188; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:10:45 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NI7It-0006xO-4n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:09:03 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NI7Is-0006xF-Jm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:09:02 +0000 Received: from mbox2.netikka.net ([213.250.81.203]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NI7Iq-0002ZK-Sa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:09:02 +0000 Received: from tupu.netikka.net (tupu [172.16.83.90]) by mbox2-feedback.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AC894080C4 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:08:55 +0200 (EET) Received: from imp1.netikka.net (imp1.netikka.net [213.250.85.154]) by tupu.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3B3B4B0058 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:08:54 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imp1.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E44DE495BD5 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:08:54 +0200 (EET) Received: from 558602b6.adsl.multi.fi (558602b6.adsl.multi.fi [85.134.2.182]) by imp.netikka.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:08:54 +0200 Message-ID: <1260306534.4b1ec066e02e2@imp.netikka.net> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:08:54 +0200 From: Paul-Henrik To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000a01ca781e$b5393e20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <000a01ca781e$b5393e20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 85.134.2.182 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: LA3EQ received in OH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) LF 08.12.2009 21.57 UTC: LA3EQ received here in Vaasa on 502.5kHz, sending the callsign cyclically= as if in "beacon mode". Varying from Q1 to a Q4 copy in slow but deep QSB. First LA to be received at this QTH on 600m. BR Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ Vaasa / KP03SD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf10.mx.aol.com (rly-mf10.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.180]) by air-mf05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF054-9844b332912f5; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 03:41:02 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF102-9844b332912f5; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 03:40:52 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNjEJ-0006vi-1H for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 08:39:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNjEI-0006vZ-M0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 08:39:30 +0000 Received: from 94-193-52-114.zone7.bethere.co.uk ([94.193.52.114] helo=randomtask.saturley.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNjEG-0002Em-3z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 08:39:30 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (randomtask.saturley.net [192.168.1.1]) by randomtask.saturley.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C98633026D for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 08:39:07 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4B3328FF.1000303@junkshifta.co.uk> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 08:40:31 +0000 From: Simon Newhouse User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-RandomTask-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RandomTask-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-4.263, required 4, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.14, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-MailScanner-From: simon@junkshifta.co.uk X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: LF: saq Christmas transmission X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello group, Has anyone made a recording of the SAQ broadcast this morning ? I thought I had got it only to find that the soft ware was only recording up to 5khz GRRRRRrrr.. That'll teach me to check my settings. Any way the idea was to decode it at my leisure as I'm just learning morse. If any one has a recording that they could post to me I'd be very greatful. Thanks in advance. Simon M0NWY. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.144]) by air-ma08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA082-b5314b38c18c11c; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:32:44 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A2CD9380000F1; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:32:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPGdS-000581-Lc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:31:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPGdS-00057s-94 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:31:50 +0000 Received: from [130.83.156.232] (helo=lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPGdQ-0006Zp-ID for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:31:50 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBSEVleq011205 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:31:47 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:31:47 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:31:46 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AD07@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <58773.51665.qm@web86507.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Thread-Index: AcqG64Qf9ZhDaM5lQO2qEJ4h/8YKTQA3k1nw From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.648;28.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.28.142120 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40904b38c18b76c2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Alan, ;-) No, breakfast was fine like always, perhaps even a little better ;-) What about finbar? Is he still enthusiastic QRV on 137? I have never done= a QSO to EI yet and would be glad to get that in my log! And we both, we also haven=B4t done a try yet ;-) What do you think about the antiparallel diodes as a solution for decoupli= ng, I wrote in the second half of my last report? 73 es HNY! Stefan/DK7FC -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von ALAN MELIA Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Dezember 2009 12:51 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Hi Stefan I hope it does not give you indigestion :-)) Good luck with it.....all LF sites are different so in general require dif= ferent detailed solutions. It seemed generally to be sufficient to de-tune= the unused antenna to reduce the interaction to low levels. Best Wishes for Dx in the New Year Alan G3NYK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd10.mx.aol.com (rly-dd10.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.157]) by air-dd05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD053-b9f4b20db72297; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:29:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD101-b9f4b20db72297; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:28:52 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIhBm-0001PF-KY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:28:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIhBm-0001P6-2o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:28:06 +0000 Received: from web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.128]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIhBl-0002Bd-2q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:28:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 87896 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Dec 2009 11:27:59 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1260444479; bh=qAzuRNsdqhjRy/C23tGorFCbr3ZJ0CBNTnYwNKcV17k=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fv36RdW3F0pAbN6n4ndPBP+dhrXPeXGUOMQsIKgbGYIrJjavccd055MyhERdXyPonTG2TgTc4w6Kfuwmwtxmd+pdXhPddCKJxefUf+IsZVF2IERYM3MWubBnLGKjD/suL0+9BqFmlwTATcWL69XxDvuJ59zDNaZTURxqE+JXJE4= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=e72DlOAOe9JlgOd6BH86RxGjmy28dckGtBUR8f6h+M0EJ5i+E+NGcsFuOWkWyoIO1pvYY2m97voWakdO0ztMH80k5Sc+t5SFTzkReZH31xPe9EjcjqAAUdTkXktOZaqXCq5CVhbWo7JTu88EYd9j+yI7D1SGjvhZEjkEiusgXco=; Message-ID: <241919.87622.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: d3VsInoVM1nESPn8m85gX0.Yte6BQvyjqa5GjKr1qFFFO5IEJQOlCmBnvcyzWF8GtP2e4D..InO.BoCS3L.0hFNMsDPY7mvh5L2vjcZFAIclgk4xa.WTjIrrMW3E7PyTLVYL8QjwQBqbL4gFAiPW5m9R2EfK_OdEGp5QBuwmYJGmxSp_DJDgfF66dK7n4Zzd7pS.0wJwYkeuSVYX84KSg0FGWfuXA_w1dVA1_Hl5b6h5x_LFlxcca4ki_obaEU0TDnKBY10FM60TAAKLEG24kZ1F4VncJQ4GhDbxvEmGPVJJW1LJc_h9bO9rODB4hQh0G8k- Received: from [213.122.53.240] by web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:27:59 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:27:59 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<< Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m232.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass Hi Roger yes you are right of course its the drift within a qso period or= even an over that is most important. Very Good. I wonder whether the use of 10MHz as an "IF" would be a possibility? This= would allow readily available TCXOs or even OCXOs to be used for the LO.= I guess the split should be enough to allow your filter/diplexor to work.= It obviously only removes one source of drift, one cant do much about the= 817, but that also should be less at 10MHz? Alan G3NYK --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Roger Lapthorn wrote: > From: Roger Lapthorn > Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<< > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 23:27 > With the transverter "in the > open" (rat's nest) on the desktop there is a > warm-up drift of about 40Hz HF until things settle down. > This has not been an issue with WSPR as the drift in a > single TX slot is only about 1-2Hz usually (WSPR copes with > this) and it soon settles down to 0Hz drift. I have not > tried QRSS but imagine you'd have to ensure the xtal > oscillator is made more thermally stable for v.slow QRSS, > but would guess it would be OK for some moderate QRSS > operation. Putting the whole unit in a box should help. >=20 >=20 > My little circuit works, but is surely capable of much > improvement, HI. >=20 > 73s > Roger G3XBM >=20 > 2009/12/9 ALAN MELIA >=20 > Sounds good Roger and Graham... > what it the stability like the problem with > transverters/upconverters normally is that while ok for some > modes they are often not stable enough for the very weak > signal modes. These are modes where you need to know the > frequency of a station very accurately because you will not > hear it, or it will only pop above the noise for short > periods. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Alan G3NYK >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Graham > wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > > From: Graham >=20 > > Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter > >>DATA MODES<< >=20 > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >=20 > > Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 22:13 >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > All >=20 > > >=20 > > This latest >=20 > > addition to the >=20 > > HF / MF tx convertor opens the door >=20 > > to data >=20 > > communications on 500 ... ranging from >=20 > > 'all' the K1JT systems >=20 > > through to the single carrier >=20 > > multi tone >=20 > > systems of >=20 > > MFSK , DOMINO and THOR .. even >=20 > > the almost >=20 > > forgotten Amtor-arq and Packtor modes , anyone >=20 > > still have >=20 > > there pk232 >=20 > > >=20 > > listed are >=20 > > data modes that may be used with >=20 > > non-linear systems :- >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/meat-grinder-comms >=20 > > >=20 > > G.. >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > From: Roger >=20 > > Lapthorn >=20 > > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 12:20 AM >=20 > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX >=20 > > transverter >=20 > > >=20 > > Dear All, >=20 > > >=20 > > My WSPR tx up-converter has now been modified to >=20 > > a full TX/RX tranverter suitable for WSPR, QRSS and >=20 > > CW in a >=20 > > very simple way, making use of the FT817 split >=20 > > facility which allows you >=20 > > to RX on 500kHz and TX on 28MHz. By adding a series > LC >=20 > > between the TX PA and the >=20 > > FT817 input/output RF connection (with back-to-back > diodes >=20 > > at the L and C >=20 > > junction, this allows "pass through" from > the >=20 > > 500kHz ATU to the FT817 on RX >=20 > > (tuned to 500kHz). On TX, the diodes conduct and the C > part >=20 > > is in parallel with >=20 > > the first cap in the TX low pass filter. This scheme > is now >=20 > > working really well >=20 > > with good RX sensitivity and no change in TX power > out. >=20 > > >=20 > > Schematic of the >=20 > > transverter is on my blog at http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >=20 > > . My >=20 > > attempt to add it as an attachment to an email here > earlier >=20 > > failed. >=20 > > >=20 > > This more or less concludes my 500kHz experimenting, > apart >=20 > > from >=20 > > getting a few more CW QSOs in the log. It's been > great >=20 > > fun all the way with lots >=20 > > of support from folks here. I was going to try 136kHz, > but >=20 > > think I will now give >=20 > > this a miss for now. >=20 > > >=20 > > 73s >=20 > > Roger G3XBM >=20 > > -- >=20 > > >=20 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >=20 > > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >=20 > > G3XBM >=20 > > GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > ------------------------------------------------------------- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >=20 > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc01.mx.aol.com (rly-mc01.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.85]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC024-d574b30a17d10f; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 05:38:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC017-d574b30a17d10f; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 05:37:51 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NN217-0005SI-U2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:31:01 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NN217-0005S9-Hd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:31:01 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.30]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NN26g-00023n-5T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:36:48 +0000 Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl (dovemail14.xs4all.nl [194.109.26.16]) by smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBMAaVam060486 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:36:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Received: from 82.161.81.65 (SquirrelMail authenticated user pa0rdt) by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:36:44 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <678FAD4478574A8682D9BDE7D982EE11@lindavideo> References: <678FAD4478574A8682D9BDE7D982EE11@lindavideo> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:36:44 +0100 From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.18 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: PA0RDT Mini-Whip Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Ken, Coupling to other antennas is very light, so the position you mentioned is no problem I think. It needs a little height to work proberly, the minimum is about 3 metre. Coaxial cable length is no problem. I have had reports using lenght's up to 100 m. Depending on the length of the cable inside the house, local noise from the house will travel along the braid of the coax up to the antenna. To get rid of it, it is best to ground the shield of the cable at the bottom of the mast or before it enters the house. I use both methods, which results in a very low noise floor, though the antenna is only 6 metre from the house. Vegatation does not need to be a problem either; mine is mounted up the stem of a magnolia tree! I hope this helps. Best regards, Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (rly-mb01.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.154]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB051-cea4b1c0e8af2; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:05:43 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB016-cea4b1c0e8af2; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:05:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHNLN-0005k9-NN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:04:33 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHNLN-0005k0-3W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:04:33 +0000 Received: from warsl404pip1.highway.telekom.at ([195.3.96.112] helo=email.aon.at) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHNLL-00026f-5w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:04:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 30498 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2009 20:04:25 -0000 Received: from 91-115-29-63.adsl.highway.telekom.at (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([91.115.29.63]) (envelope-sender ) by smarthub92.highway.telekom.at (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 6 Dec 2009 20:04:25 -0000 From: Gerhard Hickl To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Disposition-Notification-To: gerhard.hickl@aon.at Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:04:24 +0100 Message-ID: <1260129864.2455.25.camel@gerhard-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Better Picture Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Sorry but I couldn't manage to include a better picture into my previous mail. There seems to be a limit upon 30kB or something. Here's a link to a better picture: http://www.hickl.at/oe3ghb/OE3GHB%20Antenna.jpg 73 OE3GHB Gerhard From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db04.mx.aol.com (rly-db04.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.79]) by air-db09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB092-abf4b1c01d5325; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 14:11:43 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB045-abf4b1c01d5325; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 14:11:18 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHMUq-0005Us-0t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:10:16 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHMUp-0005Uj-4e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:10:15 +0000 Received: from defout.telus.net ([199.185.220.240]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHMUm-0001s0-Ga for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:10:15 +0000 Received: from edtnaa03.telusplanet.net ([75.157.155.160]) by priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091206190509.NKMA760.priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net@edtnaa03.telusplanet.net> for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 12:05:09 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.67] (d75-157-155-160.bchsia.telus.net [75.157.155.160]) by edtnaa03.telusplanet.net (BorderWare Security Platform) with ESMTP id 72A480E163C0A480 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 12:05:08 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <4B1C0064.5060009@telus.net> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:05:08 +0000 From: Scott Tilley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4B1B4301.8090909@telus.net> <000b01ca7667$fdf3e8d0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <4B1BFA65.3010900@telus.net> In-Reply-To: <4B1BFA65.3010900@telus.net> X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: Re: TIL Grabber status... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Oh and I forgot to add when I choose the call TIL it has a nice rhythm in CW... Scott Tilley wrote: > No, Canadian hams choose a call sign of their liking based on what's > not is use. I choose mine based on my last name some 25 years ago > when I passed the advanced exam. > > My other call is VA7LF... > > I take it there is no differentiation between those in the UK with > personality disorders and those without it in your callsign system? > > Regards, > Scott > > > mal hamilton wrote: >> Scott >> I work mostly VE stns with a two letter suffix, is a three letter >> suffix a >> Novice licence? >> de Mal/G3KEV >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Scott Tilley" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 5:37 AM >> Subject: LF: TIL Grabber status... >> >> >> >>> Hi Gentlemen and Mal >>> >>> I've been tweaking the grabber some more and found that there where >>> some >>> bugs when viewing it with Microsoft IE (which I don't use for this and >>> many other reasons...) Now fixed. >>> >>> Also the DCF39 grabber has entered a stable data gather mode. A weekly >>> animation of the daily plots will now be provided. Anyone >>> interested in >>> raw data should drop me a line off list. >>> >>> Any suggestions? Please let me know... >>> >>> As usual the grabber is running 24/7 in the 2200m watering hole with >>> both a 60sec and 120sec dot screen... >>> >>> 73 Scott >>> VE7TIL CN89dk >>> http://www3.telus.net/sthed/argo/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME021-9ca4b2406d91e7; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:10:55 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME076-9ca4b2406d91e7; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:10:50 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJZDR-0003qc-N5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:09:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJZDR-0003qT-8G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:09:25 +0000 Received: from warsl404pip6.highway.telekom.at ([195.3.96.89] helo=email.aon.at) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJZDY-0002YR-Ig for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:09:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 29625 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2009 21:09:26 -0000 Received: from 188-23-181-147.adsl.highway.telekom.at (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([188.23.181.147]) (envelope-sender ) by smarthub95.highway.telekom.at (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 12 Dec 2009 21:09:25 -0000 From: Gerhard Hickl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <000a01ca7b61$96bd6840$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <000a01ca7b61$96bd6840$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 22:09:25 +0100 Message-ID: <1260652165.2394.22.camel@gerhard-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 137.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Mal! Tnx for your report! I just was about running some test overnight when I blew the buffer-stage of my VFO. So maybe I will be able to transmit again tomorrow. I'm trying to improve my station, regarding antenna performance and handling. Today I archived about 200W of antenna input. That means a 6db gain for me, I just had 50W before! I haven't had the chance to test the TX with the 200W in the mode QRSS60 by now but I will try to run this test tomorrow on the dummy and I will watch the temperatures closely. TNX ES GL OE3GHB Gerhard m Samstag, den 12.12.2009, 19:30 +0000 schrieb mal hamilton: > HB9ASB and OE3GHB going strong on 137.7 kcs at present. > I have worked both before therefore I am not calling. Looking out for > DX > MAL/G3KEV > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc05.mx.aol.com (rly-mc05.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.89]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC024-d764b35073d2ac; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:41:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC056-d764b35073d2ac; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:41:02 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOF51-0003Nd-Ql for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 18:40:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOF51-0003NU-Fl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 18:40:03 +0000 Received: from smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOF4z-000290-Nw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 18:40:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 87290 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2009 18:39:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Importance:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To; b=vLfOxXQ14Lg83VPFLAdCwRuq/ttbFUldWSuMtweR/OUYCP4tkbBBanGMxqwpUREa6UbBe/e3rTvc0b0fYKtmH2INsYotLz1eE40/0dzkG65INToDIN1M4lDVAbIabymWf4k2vi2HLFV0Ifv45VAhZSEetBX6NoJMBgErn6Qajb4= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@81.154.14.207 with login) by smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2009 18:39:55 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: JSvqNSWswBBXc9Mk_Vd71RtGz2bViJtuZMADdmi78eLqBj_R7.fL X-YMail-OSG: T071_u0VM1mOwaXFMMr7d.1pGM4KDffm1SsauG.OTunYspghnF45Y8z0WNRIgglNL3.MxHmGjQ_nj9Pqe8cbd5MCbdGC6pAcW7kYHOaeqUp6mzXNa3QEzbopV_IE6ttaaB_3PnUHV6f9ZKVdxAMzn6Aj0lV0.7hSgTI5KKQP_zrc.REdOjVRh1Hfb64wu2Um9yb9T2jLNpVp3dDKiRIWqwjCQZ.W9yhbtqQ9So2NKnv0YYzmHeEv9skagvBCss6C1VVuuPcnjT2pgicA7wKcb_bzwx96hft7.hCQQIg1PfeGeN8MZgjirLHAnvSaINOSiCo- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 18:40:20 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <200912251915030785.46F0EFF3@smtp2.numeo.fr> X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: /P (?) DFCW on 137 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 It's Stefan DK7FC/P in JN49IS, I think. I gave him a call in QRSS and he gave me "T"... 73 and Happy Christmas Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of John RABSON Sent: 25 December 2009 18:15 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: /P (?) DFCW on 137 At 1812z. Heavy QRM/LX. Happy Christmas and peaceful New Year to all. John Rabson F5VLF 58800 Cervon France JN17vg From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma02.mx.aol.com (rly-ma02.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.46]) by air-ma03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA034-8954b257d08c7; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:47:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA027-8954b257d08c7; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:47:21 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJy7x-0002uB-3J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:45:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJy7w-0002u2-Nb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:45:24 +0000 Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.40]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJy8b-0007ZW-7f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:46:06 +0000 Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nBDNjtUD025069 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:45:55 -0500 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.c16.768cab25 (43915) for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:45:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from Black (g229182214.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.229.182.214]) by cia-dc08.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC084-ab8b4b257caf24d; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:45:52 -0500 Message-ID: <47E8873B5C254CA9A406AA345E229ED6@Black> From: "Markus Vester" To: Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:45:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: LF: WSPR 2.0 samplerate Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01CA7C56.C87FC990" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CA7C56.C87FC990 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF, I have recently installed WSPR 2.0 on one older XP machine and found= that decodes were erratic, and the frequency readout was about 10 Hz= high. The reason seems to be that the input samplerate is about 0.6= % low. The output samplerate is however correct. The strange thing is that this samplerate error was not present with= the former version 1.12. I now have the two versions running simultan= eously side by side, on the same machine with the same soundcard. WSPR= 1.12 is producing perfect decodes on the correct frequency, whereas= 2.0 reproducibly shows the described effects. It looks like the new= version somehow accesses the soundcard differently. Has anybody else experienced this? Best 73, Markus, DF6NM ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CA7C56.C87FC990 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear LF,
 
I have recently installed WSPR 2.0 on= one older XP=20 machine and found that decodes were erratic, and the fr= equency=20 readout was about 10 Hz high. The reason seems to be that the inp= ut=20 samplerate is about 0.6 % low. The output samplerate is however=20 correct.
 
 
Has anybody else experienced this?
 
Best 73,
Markus, DF6NM
 
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MAILRELAYINDD084-b924b2e7b8b26e; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:31:25 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMRP0-0007wT-7Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:25:14 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMROz-0007wK-Re for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:25:13 +0000 Received: from warsl404pip2.highway.telekom.at ([195.3.96.113] helo=email.aon.at) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMRTd-0006Q7-IA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:30:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 24117 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2009 19:29:55 -0000 Received: from 91-115-31-228.adsl.highway.telekom.at (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([91.115.31.228]) (envelope-sender ) by smarthub93.highway.telekom.at (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 20 Dec 2009 19:29:55 -0000 From: Gerhard Hickl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4B2E5DDD.19628.1BDFE41@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> References: <4B2E5DDD.19628.1BDFE41@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:29:54 +0100 Message-ID: <1261337394.5621.6.camel@gerhard-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: test this afternoon Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Mike! I had exactly the same problem with overheating and burned wires a week ago. So for this reason I would be interested which kind of "watchdog" you installed. Could you please make the schematic public? I think many of us have concerns about safety when the TX is on while we are sleeping. 73 OE3GHB Gerhard Am Sonntag, den 20.12.2009, 17:24 +0000 schrieb Mike Dennison: > A successful test this afternoon has proved my new safety timer that > cuts off the transmitter if it has been sending continuously for more > than 7 minutes. This gives me more confidence to transmit overnight > (after a worrying overheating incident a couple of weeks ago) and I > will run some night-time beacons as soon as the weather becomes more > reliable - more snow forecast here tonight. > > MIke, G3XDV > ========== > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.201]) by air-mb03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB033-a21e4b39347a26c; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:43:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 820A238000139; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:43:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPOHg-000725-Pw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:41:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPOHg-00071w-FE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:41:52 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.26]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPOHe-0000PF-Mx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:41:52 +0000 Received: from LAPTOP (a83-163-2-28.adsl.xs4all.nl [83.163.2.28]) by smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id nBSMfitm021337 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:41:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from misan@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: From: "M. Sanders" To: Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:41:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 502,55 kHz tonight. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA8817.557E0CF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60c94b39347968d1 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA8817.557E0CF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To All LF / G3KEV? Tonight started listening on 600m and copied slow CW by ear (computer= psu still makes to much noise on 500kHz) 502,55kHz 22:27UTC: G3KEV XGR Please confirm transmission so I'll know I am on the right track impro= ving my station Rx for 500kHz. Kind regards, best 73's, Michael, PC4M =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA8817.557E0CF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To All LF / G3KEV?
 
Tonight started listening on 600m and= copied slow=20 CW by ear (computer psu still makes to much noise= on=20 500kHz)
 
 
502,55kHz 22:27UTC: G3KEV XGR
 
Please confirm transmission so I'll= know I am on=20 the right track improving my station Rx for 500kHz.
 
Kind regards, best 73's,
 
Michael, PC4M
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA8817.557E0CF0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (rly-mg08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.114]) by air-mg01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG011-a274b169bda2bb; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:55:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG081-a274b169bda2bb; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:54:52 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFsSh-0005SE-Cl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:53:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFsSg-0005S5-Pq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:53:54 +0000 Received: from mailout10.t-online.de ([194.25.134.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFsSf-0007Fo-FZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:53:54 +0000 Received: from fwd00.aul.t-online.de by mailout10.t-online.de with smtp id 1NFsSd-000730-00; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:53:51 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.32] (bpdlp-ZJohFz+wr7LX2+i-XUQ9Dq4benyGCVgkmvQRSPikVDJrx68CGouVsa687gYF@[93.211.79.71]) by fwd00.t-online.de with esmtp id 1NFsSC-1UnBEu0; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:53:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de References:<38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To:<38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> To: X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 6.08.0003 Date: 02 Dec 2009 16:53 GMT Message-ID: <1NFsSC-1UnBEu0@fwd00.t-online.de> X-ID: bpdlp-ZJohFz+wr7LX2+i-XUQ9Dq4benyGCVgkmvQRSPikVDJrx68CGouVsa687gYF X-TOI-MSGID: 0a126d0b-28c1-48e5-8083-b097bd04ef23 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="__Next_1259772788_Part28__" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --__Next_1259772788_Part28__ Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit Dear Stefan, the wire length of 25 cm of your active antenna corresponds very well to an antenna capacitance of about 2.7pF. The same capacity I have found as an optimum and used in the form of a "pcb area" for my first active antenna using an OP-27 as the active device (cq-DL 5/2007). On the other hand we all do not know the circuitry of the preamp You are using for the active device. OK? 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "Stefan Schfer" schrieb: Hi Mike, Bernd, LF, Thank you very much for your transmission yesterday in the evening! I could do very useful tests and improve my little rx-antenna significantly. I'm not sure if anyone who uses a short E-field active antenna as a rx antenna knows about the dependence of wire length and the height above ground so I want to give a report of the results of my tests yesterday in the dark. Perhaps some others could improve their antenna by these explanations (First I tried to sent the pictures into the mail but the mail size became more than 100kB and so the mail wasnt reflected, as it seems. So I do modify the mail cancelling the Pictures. I put them on my page at qrz.com and those who are interested in the results of my improvements can find them there (at the lower end of the site)) For the first test I tried the active antenna with a wire of 1,4m. The lower end of the wire was abt 2m above gnd (observed signal of G3XDV)(Argo without AGC and RX with fast AGC). There was almost nothing to see. Then, I reduced the wire length to 80cm while the hight above gnd keeping constant. Results were much better as can be seen. Next: 40cm wire length: even much better! Next: 30cm: signal gets lower but qrm also. SNR slightly better. Next: 25cm is the best, as I think. Next: 20cm Signal becomes worse. So, the optimum seems to be at around 2530cm! Next: 20cm in a height of 4m: Signal comes up but noise also. No significant increase of SNR The signals of Ossi/OE5ODL were audible in all the tests and vy gd to cpi. But the signal was too strong to see any differences between the S/N ratios (a Picture is also available). My Conclusion: It seems that a short receiving antenna can bee seen as a capacitive divider out of the capacity between far field and antenna and the capacity between antenna and ground. If the wire length is to much, the input stage becomes nonlinear/goes into saturation. If the height above ground is increased the signal comes up, but not the signal/noise ratio(surely there will be a benefit if such an antenna is placed in a region with heavy local qrm. Then, the height should be increased and the wire length can be decreased). So, one cannot say the more the better talking about the wire length! Its exciting, we can receive our QRP-Signals (compared to HF) over a distance of 100s or 1000s of km with a wire that is 1/10000 Lambda! In comparison, in the 80m band that would be an antenna of 8mm (!) ;-) With this improvement I get new hope for receiving anything out of the city, where my home QTH is I hope this report isnt nerving because of the long text (and pictures) and size. I try to stay always below 100kB. Perhaps some RXs can be improved or Lowfers gets motivated to try such an antenna 73, Stefan/DK7FC PS: Mike, what's your locator? I want to check the distance and take a view to your QTH (on http://f6fvy.free.fr/qthLocator/fullScreen.php everyone can type the searched QTH-Locator and watch the QTH of the received stn). So one can see the distance and the wave travelling path and if the stn in directly at the beach or in the mountains and so on. Vy fine! PPS: I forward this message to Bernd, the constructor of the preamp. I think he doesnt know that the antenna gets even better when reducing the wire length! (tnx Bernd!) --__Next_1259772788_Part28__ Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit T-Online eMail Dear Stefan,

the wire length of 25 cm of your active antenna corresponds very well to an antenna capacitance of about 2.7pF. The same capacity I have found as an optimum and used in the form of a "pcb area" for my first active antenna using an OP-27 as the active device (cq-DL 5/2007). On the other hand we all do not know the circuitry of the preamp You are using for the active device.  

OK?

73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB

"Stefan Schfer" <schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de> schrieb:

Hi Mike, Bernd, LF,

Thank you very much for your transmission yesterday in the evening! I could do very useful tests and improve my little rx-antenna significantly.

I'm not sure if anyone who uses a short E-field active antenna as a rx antenna knows about the dependence of wire length and the height above ground so I want to give a report of the results of my tests yesterday in the dark. Perhaps some others could improve their antenna by these explanations

(First I tried to sent the pictures into the mail but the mail size became more than 100kB and so the mail wasnt reflected, as it seems. So I do modify the mail cancelling the Pictures. I put them on my page at qrz.com and those who are interested in the results of my improvements can find them there (at the lower end of the site))

For the first test I tried the active antenna with a wire of 1,4m. The lower end of the wire was abt 2m above gnd (observed signal of G3XDV)(Argo without AGC and RX with fast AGC). There was almost nothing to see. Then, I reduced the wire length to 80cm while the hight above gnd keeping constant. Results were much better as can be seen.

Next: 40cm wire length: even much better!

Next: 30cm: signal gets lower but qrm also. SNR slightly better.

Next: 25cm is the best, as I think.

Next: 20cm Signal becomes worse. So, the optimum seems to be at around 2530cm!

Next: 20cm in a height of 4m: Signal comes up but noise also. No significant increase of SNR

The signals of Ossi/OE5ODL were audible in all the tests and vy gd to cpi. But the signal was too strong to see any differences between the S/N ratios (a Picture is also available).

 

My Conclusion: It seems that a short receiving antenna can bee seen as a capacitive divider out of the capacity between far field and antenna and the capacity between antenna and ground. If the wire length is to much, the input stage becomes nonlinear/goes into saturation. If the height above ground is increased the signal comes up, but not the signal/noise ratio(surely there will be a benefit if such an antenna is placed in a region with heavy local qrm. Then, the height should be increased and the wire length can be decreased). So, one cannot say the more the better talking about the wire length!

Its exciting, we can receive our QRP-Signals (compared to HF) over a distance of 100s or 1000s of km with a wire that is 1/10000 Lambda! In comparison, in the 80m band that would be an antenna of 8mm (!) ;-)

With this improvement I get new hope for receiving anything out of the city, where my home QTH is

I hope this report isnt nerving because of the long text (and pictures) and size. I try to stay always below 100kB. Perhaps some RXs can be improved or Lowfers gets motivated to try such an antenna

73, Stefan/DK7FC

PS: Mike, what's your locator? I want to check the distance and take a view to your QTH (on http://f6fvy.free.fr/qthLocator/fullScreen.php everyone can type the searched QTH-Locator and watch the QTH of the received stn). So one can see the distance and the wave travelling path and if the stn in directly at the beach or in the mountains and so on. Vy fine!

PPS: I forward this message to Bernd, the constructor of the preamp. I think he doesnt know that the antenna gets even better when reducing the wire length! (tnx Bernd!)

 

 

 
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Mike, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc05.mx.aol.com (rly-dc05.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.34]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC082-b1e4b295682270; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:52:08 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC052-b1e4b295682270; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:52:04 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NL1jX-0001hA-Nj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:48:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NL1jX-0001h0-5i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:48:35 +0000 Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.63]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NL1lW-0007ku-Ir for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:50:41 +0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=H9mx8cEdMOYvHFKrlEwuyHicWadIILZcIRQ+JJDCz3EPnGCAIm3xnRJlHnZPWJGp; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.240.15.186] (helo=ctrask) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1NL1lj-0004eH-Nw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:50:53 -0500 Message-ID: <00c401ca7e99$f5f439c0$5f0ff004@ctrask> From: "Chris Trask" To: References: <572685.58103.qm@web86501.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:50:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: b77fdb70683249914713efb067f9a722239a348a220c26091506c6613dda59607923284e9debb491a7ce0e8f8d31aa3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.240.15.186 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 > > I want to start a new subject (for me it's new)... > > The last weeks I still had RX problems, either with the tx antenna or with > the short E-flied RX antenna. > > I found out that the noise was/is generated by my notebook which made > RXing difficult, even in regions without any else local QRM (what could almost > bring me to shut down the PC and just do nice and easy CW QSOs without anything > else! (but most traffic is in QRSS...)). > > Then I have done mni tests with many many ferrite cores (that I found > in an older emc lab in our institute), e.g. 20x FT50-77 plus 20x FT50-43 plus > 20x FT50-61 and e few others. I placed them all in series, partly in the near of > the preamp and/or in the near of the RX. Sure, there was a significant reduction > of noise but lastly the noise remains. > <> You've done fairly well in reducing the noise that is conducted through your power supply lines, but the inband noise being induced into the antenna and then into the receiver is not going to be quite as simple, as you seem to have learned thus far. I'm going to assume, for the moment, that you are dealing with impulse noise coming from your laptop and elsewhere. I've had to deal with a similar problem at HF frequencies resulting from what is very likely faulty sodium vapour street lights near where I live, and more than just one. That sent me into the literature of noise reduction, and I came up with the following for dealing effectively with reducing impulse noise prior to the receiver: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/Paper020.html Chris From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da09.mx.aol.com (rly-da09.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.83]) by air-da09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA093-a8d4b260f7a7c; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 05:12:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA095-a8d4b260f7a7c; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 05:12:12 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NK7sg-0000FP-5W for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:10:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NK7sf-0000FG-Q8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:10:17 +0000 Received: from psmtp12.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.24]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NK7tU-0002J5-Qu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:11:11 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp12.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KUN008ON0AOR9@psmtp12.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:11:13 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:11:08 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <692957D07C0747B7A101342450FD1D90@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RA3YO 13-12.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Hi7QlbxuM0NkYsBAUgcqaQ)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --Boundary_(ID_Hi7QlbxuM0NkYsBAUgcqaQ) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_uO2hdjulgNwwYK2yR1nx4Q)" --Boundary_(ID_uO2hdjulgNwwYK2yR1nx4Q) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi LF, Capture RA3YO Henny pa3cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: RA3YO 13-12.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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hamilton" To: References: <002801ca80dc$639db200$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <57a24ca70912191323q42dc08acr75fcd0cef89cea5@mail.gmail.com> <001201ca80f3$e1077110$0201a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 23:36:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: HOT 500 RX Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 YES EC 958 G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clemens Paul" To: Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:40 PM Subject: Re: LF: HOT 500 RX > > Isn't that RX really an Eddystone 958 with a Hagenuk label ? > > See > http://www.seefunknetz.de/ee430.htm > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Warren Ziegler" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:23 PM > Subject: Re: LF: HOT 500 RX > > > Mal, > > Isn't that RX really an Eddystone 958 with a Hagenuk label ? > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 1:52 PM, mal hamilton wrote: > > Using a marine RX Haghenuk EE 430 at present 10 kcs - 30 mcs. Hot RX on > > 500 kcs > > de G3KEV > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > > > > Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. > Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de > Version: 9.0.717 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.114/2575 - Ausgabedatum: 12/19/09 09:33:00 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (rly-dg11.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.95]) by air-dg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG022-6024b3488c1115; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 04:41:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG113-6024b3488c1115; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 04:41:22 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NO6eq-00020Z-0I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:40:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NO6ep-00020Q-MS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:40:27 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NO6em-0008Ha-SO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:40:27 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09AC54C8044 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:40:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20C4D4C8099 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:40:19 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B348883.1090304@online.fr> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:40:19 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <80706327FC9F4856B3D4088340FE0D71@ns94d01ae4d850> In-Reply-To: <80706327FC9F4856B3D4088340FE0D71@ns94d01ae4d850> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: XGJ last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello LF, Merry Christmas to all ! 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb06.mx.aol.com (rly-mb06.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.164]) by air-mb02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB023-d0f4b269aa98e; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:06:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB063-d0f4b269aa98e; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:06:03 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKH8z-0007VP-Nq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:03:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKH8z-0007VG-CO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:03:45 +0000 Received: from mailout02.t-online.de ([194.25.134.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKHA1-0007hW-Qo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:04:51 +0000 Received: from fwd08.aul.t-online.de by mailout02.t-online.de with smtp id 1NKHA7-0003hl-00; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:04:55 +0100 Received: from e7010 (GvlkbBZUohJFYkGXq3dQDMdWlBXc4F7eXk4c3mKLGFw64eJ03m8ggZi-ev6B2djgNz@[84.147.245.184]) by fwd08.aul.t-online.de with smtp id 1NKH9w-24toOW0; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:04:44 +0100 Message-ID: <000e01ca7cf8$b02ccc60$6402a8c0@e7010> From: "Walter und Marianne Staubach" To: Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:04:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-ID: GvlkbBZUohJFYkGXq3dQDMdWlBXc4F7eXk4c3mKLGFw64eJ03m8ggZi-ev6B2djgNz X-TOI-MSGID: 7bf9a9f4-76ef-467b-a76e-954494b9baba X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: DI2AG QRSS3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA7D01.0FDEF630" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA7D01.0FDEF630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear MF, DI2AG beacon is on air in QRSS3 505.090KHz, but only 0.4W ERP= as usual, as QRO affects my telefone. Sri. 73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA7D01.0FDEF630 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear MF,
      &= nbsp; =20 DI2AG beacon is on air in QRSS3 505.090KHz, but only 0.4W ERP as usual= , as QRO=20 affects my telefone. Sri.
73   Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF
 
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA7D01.0FDEF630-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da08.mx.aol.com (rly-da08.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.82]) by air-da07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA074-a814b26c180149; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:51:57 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA081-a814b26c180149; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:51:46 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKJjR-00010u-7u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:49:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKJjQ-00010l-RF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:49:32 +0000 Received: from mailout.toya.net.pl ([217.113.224.27] ident=postfix) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKJkW-00009m-Hj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:50:42 +0000 Received: from mail.toya.net.pl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC09D2000059F for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:50:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (unknown [10.11.152.246]) (Authenticated sender: unimlyn) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D66952000059D for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:50:52 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B26C14B.6000602@toya.net.pl> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:50:51 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?UGlvdHIgTcWCeW5hcnNraQ==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000e01ca7cf8$b02ccc60$6402a8c0@e7010> In-Reply-To: <000e01ca7cf8$b02ccc60$6402a8c0@e7010> X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG QRSS3// SQ7MPJ Grabber Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000102010704020805080901" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------000102010704020805080901 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Walter und Marianne Staubach wrote: > Dear MF, > DI2AG beacon is on air in QRSS3 505.090KHz, but only 0.4W ERP > as usual, as QRO affects my telefone. Sri. > 73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF > Dear Walter, Lubos, LF Group Recently i managed to launch a simple grabber. It does require some improvements, which i hope, will be done in a forthcoming future. At this moment it covers 505 kHz area so DI2AG and OK0EMW should be visible . I will keep it running till 2330-2400 UTC this evening it is placed at: http://www.toya.net.pl/~mlynarski/ Please, note that the time displayed on "Argo" screen is a local one so one hour must be substracted to get UTC. I will try to switch it on at nearest weekend or upon request Yours, Piotr , sq7mpj qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ --------------000102010704020805080901 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Walter und Marianne Staubach wrote:
Dear MF,
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DI2AG beacon is on air in QRSS3 505.090KHz, but only 0.4W ERP as usual, as QRO affects my telefone. Sri.
73=C2=A0=C2=A0 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF=
=C2=A0
Dear Walter, Lubos, LF Group
Recently=C2=A0 i=C2=A0 managed to launch=C2=A0 a simple=C2=A0 grabber.=C2= =A0 It does require some improvements,
=C2=A0 which i hope, will be done in a forthcoming future. At this moment= =C2=A0 it covers 505 kHz area
=C2=A0so DI2AG and=C2=A0 OK0EMW should be visible . I will keep=C2=A0 it= =C2=A0 running till 2330-2400 UTC this evening
it=C2=A0 is placed at:=C2=A0=C2=A0 http://www.toya.net.pl/~mlynarski/=
Please, note that the time displayed=C2=A0=C2=A0 on "Argo" screen is a loc= al one so=C2=A0 one hour must be substracted=C2=A0 to get=C2=A0 UTC.
I will try to switch it on=C2=A0=C2=A0 at nearest weekend=C2=A0 or upon re= quest

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qth: Lodz /jo91rs/
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--------------000102010704020805080901-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.206]) by air-ma06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA064-b52b4b397910e6; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:35:44 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8307E380000BD; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:35:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPSqh-0007f1-6k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 03:34:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPSqg-0007es-Pz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 03:34:18 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPSqe-0001IT-4C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 03:34:18 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBT3VBeZ002757 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 04:31:11 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 04:34:14 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 04:34:13 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AD0D@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <20091228175004.z90hw4yyw0gg8cwc@webmail6.kuleuven.be> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: AW: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Thread-Index: AcqH3pFejbN/35frTRi3X62/z9pF2AAV2xXQ From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.648;28.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.29.32723 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: AW: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40ce4b39790f7807 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Rik, tnx very much. I will test it and am curious about that! That would of course be even the easiest solution for the RX. In 08/2001, Rudi/DJ2EY has published a bandpass filter (4 LC Filters, loos= e capacitive coupled) in the CQDL. I already thought about building such= one. If one is choosing an attenuation so that the Ls will not be overdri= ven, that could give a fine SNR, better than with a attenuator that even= filters the wanted spectrum? 73, Stefan -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe Gesendet: Montag, 28. Dezember 2009 17:50 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: AW: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Hello Stefan, the problem with "big" antennas for RX is that they overload the =20 receiver and cause IMD effects. Most harmfull is 3rd order IMD and the =20 good thing with an attenuator between antenna and RX is that for every =20 dB attenuation the 3rd order IMD is reduced by 3dB. Therfor you may =20 want to increase attenuation as long as the external noise level is a =20 bit stronger (let's say 3 to 6dB) than the internal (RX) noise level. As long as this is the case the attenuator will not affect the overal =20 RX sensivitity (although you will get little or no s-meter reading), =20 but IMD behaviour will improve by 100dB or more. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (rly-ma06.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.50]) by air-ma02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA021-8b04b251a53258; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:46:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA062-8b04b251a53258; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:46:13 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJrYd-0005vQ-Mm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:44:31 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJrYd-0005vH-9d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:44:31 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJrZD-00042B-Qg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:45:10 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 13 Dec 2009 16:45:01 -0000 Received: from p5DD35FDD.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.211.95.221] by mail.gmx.net (mp043) with SMTP; 13 Dec 2009 17:45:01 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+656d8EB+6PzEUa66lxmdp2xVo6jcMyjyJg8pQe5 CkdPI5cHPikt+f Message-ID: <017201ca7c13$9d053ef0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> <241919.87622.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9afca2640912130305r3acb5e5fs991caaa1115d2255@mail.gmail.com> <6E7638745A1B43168C402CDBB010C2A7@AGB> <007b01ca7c0c$167e7b00$0201a8c0@Clemens04> <014901ca7c0f$2bedf850$0201a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:44:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.53 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: IK1HSS WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Here you are. :-) 2009-12-13 16:38 IK1HSS 0.137753 -3 -1 JN35 0.05 DL4RAJ JN68kj 554 52 It has also been uploaded to the database. So far I'm the most far reporting station with 554km. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marco IK1ODO" To: Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 5:23 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: IK1HSS WSPR > At 17.13 13/12/2009, you wrote: >>Now it's ok. >>I believe you just made a typo before: 136.420 instead of >>136.240 for dial qrg. >>Ur sig was well visible in during the last transmission and will >>surely be decoded >>in the next one,now that I've adjusted everything. >> >>73 >>Clemens >>DL4RAJ > > Sorry for the mistype :-) > > Marco IK1HSS is continuing to send. Let me know. > > 73 - Marco IK1ODO > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG uberpruft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.716 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.105/2561 - Ausgabedatum: 12/12/09 20:39:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc05.mx.aol.com (rly-mc05.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.89]) by air-mc03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC031-d774b1b6d671a2; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 03:38:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC057-d774b1b6d671a2; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 03:38:01 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHCbi-00034K-Lo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 08:36:42 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHCbi-00034B-3y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 08:36:42 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHCbg-000748-Fp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 08:36:42 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFF004C8079 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 09:36:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FF094C8078 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 09:36:35 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B1B6D13.70009@online.fr> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 09:36:35 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: W on 137.779kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Jacek , Laurence , LF I confirm "W" on 137.779 ! I think that it is UA4WPF . Also trace of "Y" on 137.778 , RA3YO ??? 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com a =E9crit : > Also seen here in China, UA4WPF? > > Laurence BY3A KL1 X > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Jacek Lipkowski" > Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 4:12 AM > To: > Subject: LF: W on 137.779kHz > >> Someone is sending W on 137.779 in QRSS120. >> >> Does anybody know who it is? >> >> vy 73 >> >> Jacek / SQ5BPF >> >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db04.mx.aol.com (rly-db04.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.79]) by air-db04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB042-abc4b29f3fb1ff; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 04:04:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB042-abc4b29f3fb1ff; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 04:03:57 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLCDe-0000su-Bj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:00:22 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLCDd-0000sl-PY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:00:21 +0000 Received: from psmtp12.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.24]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLCGJ-0002Dl-SU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:03:10 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp12.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KUS00CN9H4YIK@psmtp12.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:02:59 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:02:40 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: XGJ 17-12.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_9l2TjFSECxFTgHmM+rWNEA)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --Boundary_(ID_9l2TjFSECxFTgHmM+rWNEA) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ktDOlNiDEvz18vUjFfCZsA)" --Boundary_(ID_ktDOlNiDEvz18vUjFfCZsA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello Warren,LF Capture XGJ Henny pa3cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: XGJ 17-12.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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Hello Warren,LF
Capture XGJ
Henny pa3cpm
best 73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
XGJ 17-12.jpg

Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 721NLXinm2272M40; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 08:39:12 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.215.248 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.4] Message-ID: <4B3328AE.3080207@usa.net> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:39:10 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LF Mailing List X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID721NLXinN2272X40 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: SAQ this morning Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Perfect reception of SAQ this morning, together with some signals of unknown origin (see the page below). Screen capture and audio here : http://www.sdradio.eu/SAQ_2009_12_24.html As usual, no radio used, just the mini whip connected to the line input of the Delta 44 sound card. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me05.mx.aol.com (rly-me05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.39]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME062-9b54b3485fc132; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 04:29:48 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME051-9b54b3485fc132; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 04:29:34 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NO6Sq-0001mm-2J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:28:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NO6Sp-0001md-N1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:28:03 +0000 Received: from psmtp04.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NO6Sm-0008Bh-QG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:28:03 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp04.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KV70070GBMGB2@psmtp04.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:27:53 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:27:28 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <80706327FC9F4856B3D4088340FE0D71@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: XGJ 25-12.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_gzhl3JrM+1urki6rWEoQ5g)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --Boundary_(ID_gzhl3JrM+1urki6rWEoQ5g) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_UpPRl3iy+FWwphjRrbiocg)" --Boundary_(ID_UpPRl3iy+FWwphjRrbiocg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Warren,LF Capture XGJ Henny pa3cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: XGJ 25-12.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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Hi Warren,LF
Capture XGJ
Henny pa3cpm
best 73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
XGJ 25-12.jpg

Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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<38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <346854e9698cbf94f4483c66682bb63b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <001e01ca80b0$392cb0b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:48:35 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d259.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) In which case, mounting it on top of a 20m high steel framed building is like having a 20m whip???? Or does the size of the plane under the active element matter. Our works one has an antenna platform of a few metres square of metal grid which itself is a few metres above the roof of the actual building (erected to keep antennas above air conditioning plant and safety walls) Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police 2009/12/19 : >> I think the role of the ground with active whips is often neglected -= the >> output of the whip preamp is the voltage differential between the whip >> element and the circuit ground, so the ground connection is just as muc= h >> part of the antenna as the whip element itself is. > > That's an important point that is often overlooked or ignored. A mini wh= ip > mounted up at 5 meters is a 5 meter antenna. You can easily prove this= by > mounting it at ground zero on top of a ground screen. Been there, done= that. > > Jay W1VD =A0WD2XNS =A0WE2XGR > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb08.mx.aol.com (rly-mb08.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.166]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB042-d1e4b18052436a; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:36:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB082-d1e4b18052436a; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:36:22 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGGWO-0003NE-5n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:35:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGGWN-0003N5-Ph for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:35:19 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGGWM-0007QX-Sq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:35:19 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA91051C00D for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 19:35:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92142F3862 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 19:35:04 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 8B9B518056; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 19:35:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from 204.148-182-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (204.148-182-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [91.182.148.204]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:35:04 +0100 Message-ID: <20091203193504.9bpwck4n4gso0k04@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:35:04 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <9afca2640912031004h41c8eb67t8427d65670a634f2@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9afca2640912031004h41c8eb67t8427d65670a634f2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 91.182.148.204 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Skywave on 500kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Roger, I have copied CW signals from the UK in the 1mW range. So 500+ km sould be possible in CW. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Roger Lapthorn : > In the evenings I'm surprised just how good my reports are from > F6CNI some 418kms away near Paris. Last night my 1mW ERP was being > received at 0dB S/N on WSPR and already he's given me -3dB again > tonight. > > If signals are this strong by sky wave, how much further could I > reasonably expect to get? SM6BHZ and GM4SLV have heard me > (850-950kms), but can I (reasonably) expect much further? What is > the typical attenuation on each ground reflection for multiple hops > over water and over land? > > BTW, still not on 136kHz yet. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg05.mx.aol.com (rly-dg05.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.89]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG064-5c54b20f9312bc; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:35:55 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG052-5c54b20f9312bc; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:35:47 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIjAC-0002Xp-IZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:34:36 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIjAC-0002Xg-3z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:34:36 +0000 Received: from smtp824.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.234]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIjA9-0000Rh-Mc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:34:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 21398 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2009 13:34:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Importance:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=Jmo/KM5dL5jJPAG0rfLVtZw80gNSkHHT9mQhk7ZNY74lgyCAy+ev9xVByouSf7jZBVwukE3nGlCiPAryXAaygP2qDiCvs0gFgYH1ROcFlk+Ao+Bqy/YTNwB8AqSEQbttGJJ7bWfabBSKeTqZ/NDkqgv30hegg2oEznnR1MFgDf0= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Inspiron) (hudsonville@86.128.232.252 with login) by smtp824.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2009 13:34:28 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: T9P8HheswBCXVWXq3ajpBY99bVSvRxQZ2abOUyeQ53_fqQzzpx0V X-YMail-OSG: vrJMHcEVM1mF69Nk5vGx9qK.ZqVI0Vy049wHWioanO47n0DLbh51MTJcXFPwzTPSw2dFF_ZJSn_TcCKoGuZ9MKaAWh2_ydb4UCMpipAbp1EkG1WGBj_zWyDE7ODeYz99laQ5ilUf4J0a4M0RRDk7NwQ_O0oOtXIgOAvmvPk50MSd6zHB.mWnuoyYAARl5_KRPgdvCu.Bdo1yGRYVxaecLst2E3tX8pqV4bTmnQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Lee Hudson" To: Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:34:28 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: Acp5nX7Nc0N/KpMQTquD8zuY1WA5vw== DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: SAQ in IO93gx Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01CA799D.7F9D44C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_70_80, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CA799D.7F9D44C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jay, LF Group, This was how the message sounded from here. http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/SAQ%2020091210%200800utc%20Message.MP3 Size 3.7Mb, Duration 16 minutes. 73, Lee M0LMH. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CA799D.7F9D44C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Hi= Jay, LF=20 Group,
 
This= was how the=20 message sounded from here.
 
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Size 3.7Mb,= Duration 16=20 minutes.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CA799D.7F9D44C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (rly-dc03.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.32]) by air-dc09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC094-b114b16cdee2bd; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:28:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC035-b114b16cdee2bd; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:28:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFvnW-0007b3-Hi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:27:38 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFvnW-0007au-3d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:27:38 +0000 Received: from mx01.infotech.at ([213.174.240.1]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFvnT-0008Cj-Sf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:27:38 +0000 Received: from [213.174.255.25] by mx01.infotech.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFvnS-0005pt-QB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:27:34 +0100 Message-ID: <4B16CD94.4050301@inext.at> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:27:00 +0100 From: Oberreiter Oswald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <254102CCC310104CA9DA9DA31EBD03CE02CEB57D58@exlnmb06.eur.nsroot.net> In-Reply-To: <254102CCC310104CA9DA9DA31EBD03CE02CEB57D58@exlnmb06.eur.nsroot.net> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: OE3GHB on 137KHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) hallo marco! oe3ghb sendet auf 137.685 oe5odl auf 137.7125 servus marco 73 de ossi oe5odl Scholz, Marco schrieb: > Hello, > Good copy of OE3GHB around 137.712KHz. > Weak copy of Mike, XDV on 136.310KHz. > > vy73 > Marco > DD7PC, JN49ax > FT857,Preamp and Miniwhip From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de05.mx.aol.com (rly-de05.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.141]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE012-4d44b194baf27a; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:49:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE051-4d44b194baf27a; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:49:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGcH1-0000ao-Hb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:48:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGcH1-0000af-3i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:48:55 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s16.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.26]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGcGz-00064f-71 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:48:55 +0000 Received: from COL122-W23 ([65.55.34.8]) by col0-omc1-s16.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:48:45 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 18:48:45 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4B193C13.7060400@usa.net> References: <001e01ca74ec$b9770790$6402a8c0@e7010>,<4B193C13.7060400@usa.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2009 17:48:45.0579 (UTC) FILETIME=[06AFD5B0:01CA750A] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=0.627,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_2d8fe484-61fe-4f2e-91de-878ef7d33f9c_" Subject: RE: LF: Activity on 500 kHz X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --_2d8fe484-61fe-4f2e-91de-878ef7d33f9c_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_384d80f4-9f9a-41e8-9273-b71fffa6c8a7_" --_384d80f4-9f9a-41e8-9273-b71fffa6c8a7_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Alberto, LF! Thanks for very nice pictures. It is good to know, that my bacon=B4s signa= l was visible in Italy this afternoon. 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:42:59 +0100 From: dibene@usa.net To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Activity on 500 kHz =20 =20 Some activity recorded on the 500 kHz band this afternoon. DI2AG : DI2AM in QRSS3 OK0EMW in QRSS3 at 505091 Hz (abt) in JN88ks (some QSB...) 73 Alberto I2PHD =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9= =ED informace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_384d80f4-9f9a-41e8-9273-b71fffa6c8a7_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Alberto, LF!
Thanks for very nice pictures. It is good to know,= that my bacon=B4s signal was visible in Italy this afternoon.

73!<= br>
Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

Date: Fri, 4= Dec 2009 17:42:59 +0100
From: dibene@usa.net
To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org
Subject: LF: Activity on 500 kHz

=20 Some activity recorded on the 500 kHz band this afternoon.

DI2AG :

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DI2AM in QRSS3

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OK0EMW in QRSS3   at 505091 Hz (abt) in JN88ks

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ESMTP id MAILINDC022-b1a4b296cf2357; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:27:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC046-b1a4b296cf2357; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:27:48 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NL3EA-0003LQ-4m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:24:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NL3E9-0003LH-Kk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:24:17 +0000 Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.39]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NL3GC-0008Ly-Ef for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:26:26 +0000 Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nBGNQeSe021075 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:26:40 -0500 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.cf5.64c57ee7 (56026) for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:26:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from White (g229082182.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.229.82.182]) by cia-md07.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD078-dada4b296ca735f; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:26:32 -0500 Message-ID: <88506FB5C82F4AF39A1AA573022A750B@White> From: "Markus Vester" To: References: Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:26:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: China QRT Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01CA7EAF.94531590" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01CA7EAF.94531590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Laurence, thanks again for setting up that excellent listening post in China! It= was certainly most rewarding and stimulating for many of us over here= . We wish you a safe trip, and a good time when you come home. 73, Markus (DF6NM) From: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:19 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; lowfer@mailman.qth.net ; 500kc@500k= c.com=20 Subject: LF: China QRT Gents - just pulled the power from the receivers and they are being pa= cked. All China snappers are now QRT. The Alaskan receiver is still sitting on 600m http://www.kl1x.com/alas= ka.html and will stay where it is till I get to AK next week. There is bad wx up there and power outages and heavy snow is making li= fe interesting. 73 from a not so warm China. Laurence KL 1 X in BY3A ...-.- ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01CA7EAF.94531590 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Laurence,
 
thanks again for setting up = ;that=20 excellent listening post in China! It was certainly most rewarding and= =20 stimulating for many of us over here.
 
We wish you a safe trip, and a= good time when=20 you come home.
 
73, Markus (DF6NM)
 
 
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:19 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; lowfer@mailman.qth.net ; 500kc@500kc.com
Subject: LF: China QRT
=
Gents - just pulled the power from the recei= vers and=20 they are being packed. All China snappers are now QRT.
 
The Alaskan receiver is still sitting on 600= m http://www.kl1x.= com/alaska.html =20 and will stay where it is till I get to AK next week.
 
There is bad wx up there and power outages= and heavy=20 snow is making life interesting.
 
73 from a not so warm China.
 
Laurence KL 1 X in BY3A   ...-.-
 
------=_NextPart_000_0017_01CA7EAF.94531590-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.132]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF063-5ef84b39eeeb11d; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 06:58:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D3F5C380000E0; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 06:58:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPahw-0000Du-Mw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:57:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPahw-0000Dj-8u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:57:48 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.29]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPahu-0003Fl-Ei for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:57:48 +0000 Received: from LAPTOP (a83-163-2-28.adsl.xs4all.nl [83.163.2.28]) by smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id nBTBvjDZ042518 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:57:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from misan@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <92359923C87048F2AA8B43BF7863DE37@LAPTOP> From: "M. Sanders" To: References: <1BCA5076F8C144B0957BD8853BEA599A@LAPTOP> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:57:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Stations on 505kHz last night. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01CA8886.7E259D70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40844b39eeea7044 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CA8886.7E259D70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Lubos and all LF, Thank you, for the info, positively confirm hearing your signals: Also= copied 88 on QRSS by ear and stopped copy there since 88 in a callsig= n or QSO did not make sense to me at the time. Don't mind the exact frequency, did receive all signals within a >500H= z filter bandwith and could not yet 'zero beat' on a waterfall dispaly= with my signal source+counter to check. Hope to improve Rx soon, experience al lot more noise around 500kHz th= an on 137kHz, who has similar experience / suggestions? Kind Regards, Best 73's, Michael, PC4M ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lubos OK2BVG=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 12:35 PM Subject: RE: LF: Stations on 505kHz last night. Hello Michael, LF! OK, DI2AM is on 505.180kHz. I don=B4t know, who is on 505,030kHz, bu= t my beacon OK0EMW is on 505,060kHz. It transmit a text:=20 "Beacon OK0EMW JN88KS" . These letters "KS" might be "XS", which you= listened. You can try to listen my beacon signal next night. 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- From: misan@xs4all.nl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 09:07:43 +0100 Subject: LF: Stations on 505kHz last night. To DI2AM and all LF Good morning all, also copied by ear two transmissions just above 50= 5kHz last night. 29-12-2009 00:50utc 505.20kHz DI2AM, QRSS3 and plain CW. 29-12-2009 01:00utc 505.03kHz QRSS3? and plan CW ...XS...? Please confirm DI2AM is ok and give a clue who could be the other st= ation. Kind Regards, Michael (Mike) / PC4M ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Da= l=B9=ED informace.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CA8886.7E259D70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Lubos and all LF,
 
Thank you, for the info, positively confi= rm hearing=20 your signals: Also copied 88 on QRSS by ear and stopped copy there&nbs= p;since 88=20 in a callsign or QSO did not make sense to me at the time.=
 
Don't mind the exact frequency, did recei= ve all=20 signals within a >500Hz filter bandwith and cou= ld not=20 yet 'zero beat' on a waterfall dispaly with my signal source= +counter=20 to check.
 
Hope to improve Rx soon, experience al lo= t more=20 noise around 500kHz than on 137kHz, who has similar experien= ce /=20 suggestions?
 
Kind Regards, Best 73's,
 
Michael, PC4M
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Lub= os OK2BVG=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 29,= 2009 12:35=20 PM
Subject: RE: LF: Stations on= 505kHz last=20 night.

Hello Michael, LF!
OK, DI2AM is on 505.180kHz. I= don=B4t know,=20 who is on 505,030kHz, but my beacon OK0EMW is on 505,060kHz. It tran= smit a=20 text:
"Beacon OK0EMW JN88KS" . These letters "KS" might be "XS",= which you=20 listened.  You can try to listen my beacon signal next=20 night.
73!
Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

From: misan@xs4all.nl
To:= rsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep.org
Date:=20 Tue, 29 Dec 2009 09:07:43 +0100
Subject: LF: Stations on 505kHz= last=20 night.

To DI2AM and all LF
 
Good morning all, also copied by ea= r two=20 transmissions just above 505kHz last night.
 
29-12-2009 00:50utc 505.20kHz DI2AM= , QRSS3 and=20 plain CW.
29-12-2009 01:00utc 505.03kHz QRSS3= ? and plan CW=20 ...XS...?
 
Please confirm DI2AM is ok&nbs= p;and give a=20 clue who could be the other station.
 
Kind Regards,
 
Michael (Mike) / PC4M
 
 
 

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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CA8886.7E259D70-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb09.mx.aol.com (rly-mb09.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.167]) by air-mb03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB031-d284b1d44522c8; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:07:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB094-d284b1d44522c8; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:07:18 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHhxf-0002oU-Mg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:05:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHhxe-0002oL-Pc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:05:26 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHhxd-0006I6-7j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:05:26 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 07 Dec 2009 18:05:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO Uwe) [188.194.84.187] by mail.gmx.net (mp044) with SMTP; 07 Dec 2009 19:05:17 +0100 X-Authenticated: #9373712 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX190JxYBIG9048JKDVKOjn9v/f3IzDW00jeENoh6Yp decWU8K5OiH4+T Message-ID: From: "Uwe Wensauer" To: Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:05:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.49,0.49 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.6 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: DDH47 last call Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01CA7770.3719CA40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01CA7770.3719CA40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Special Event : 100 years Nobel Prize Prof. Braun & Marconi On 10th of December 1909 Prof. F. Braun and G. Marconi received Nobel= Prize for Physics at Stockholm. Both gentlemen were honored for their developments in the= field of wireless communication. On the 100th anniversary of this occasion the Prof. Braun Day (DL0PFB)= makes a special transmission with the longwave transmitter DDH47 (147,3 kHz) of Nation= al Weather Service Deutscher Wetterdienst. On the night before Nobelday (9. December 2009) the transmitter is ava= ilable for 2 hours ( 23 - 01 UTC). All people are invited to listen to the telegraphic transmissions of= DDH47 und radio amateurs may contact DL0PFB on shortwave in cw only. DL0PFB answers to= calls on the declared frequencies and keys DDH47 sometimes in parallel. During silence periods (h+15-18 and h+45-48) of former maritime radio= service, there is ultra slow keying ( 1 dot in 3 seconds ) for long distance tests. The names= of famous wireless pioniers will be keyed in that time for prove of receiption! Prof. Braun Day issued a special QSL card, contacts are exchanged via= DARC Bureau or direct, when followed certain circumstances: (Deutschland SASE, Europe postage 2 US Dollars, overseas postage 4 US= Dollars, No IRC) Contact: Prof. Braun Day, c/o J. Gerpott, Rebhuhnweg 21, 22880 Wedel,= Germany When: 9. Dezember 2009, 2300 UTC until 10. Dezember 2009, 0100 UTC Transmit : DDH47 147,3 kHz und DL0PFB : ( 3565, 7025, 14052 kHz +/- qr= m), Receive : DL0PFB only shortwave, see above QRS3 : hourly +15 bis +18, and +45 bis +48, ulta slow keying 1 Dot in= 3 Seconds Receiption reports are welcome, especially from overseas ! Internet: www.mmqtc-award.org Link Nobel Version 1.0 nobele.pdf 73 Uwe, DK1kq ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01CA7770.3719CA40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Special Event : 100 years Nobel Prize Prof. Braun &= ;=20 Marconi

On 10th of December 1909 Prof. F. Braun and G. Marconi= received=20 Nobel Prize for Physics at

Stockholm. Both gentlemen were honored for their devel= opments in=20 the field of wireless

communication.

On the 100th anniversary of this occasion the Prof. Br= aun Day=20 (DL0PFB) makes a special

transmission with the longwave transmitter DDH47 (147,= 3 kHz) of=20 National Weather Service

Deutscher Wetterdienst.

On the night before Nobelday (9. December 2009) the tr= ansmitter is=20 available for 2 hours ( 23

- 01 UTC).

All people are invited to listen to the telegraphic tr= ansmissions=20 of DDH47 und radio

amateurs may contact DL0PFB on shortwave in cw only.= DL0PFB=20 answers to calls on the

declared frequencies and keys DDH47 sometimes in paral= lel.

During silence periods (h+15-18 and h+45-48) of former= maritime=20 radio service, there is ultra

slow keying ( 1 dot in 3 seconds ) for long distance= tests. The=20 names of famous wireless

pioniers will be keyed in that time for prove of recei= ption!

Prof. Braun Day issued a special QSL card, contacts ar= e exchanged=20 via DARC Bureau or

direct, when followed certain circumstances:

(Deutschland SASE, Europe postage 2 US Dollars, overse= as postage 4=20 US Dollars, No IRC)

Contact: Prof. Braun Day, c/o J. Gerpott, Rebhuhnweg= 21, 22880=20 Wedel, Germany

When: 9. Dezember 2009, 2300 UTC until 10. Dezember 20= 09, 0100=20 UTC

Transmit : DDH47 147,3 kHz und DL0PFB : ( 3565, 7025,= 14052 kHz=20 +/- qrm),

Receive : DL0PFB only shortwave, see above

QRS3 : hourly +15 bis +18, and +45 bis +48, ulta slow= keying 1 Dot=20 in 3 Seconds

Receiption reports are welcome, especially from overse= as !

Internet:

www.mmqtc-award.org Link Nobel

Version 1.0 nobele.pdf

 

 

73

Uwe, DK1kq

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Brief info at http://english.electronica-pt.com/db/cross-reference.php?ref=3DBTY96 Ken M0KHW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 3:56 PM Subject: LF: DIODE MF Grp Does anyone have spec for a BTY 96 UM or BTY 98. Looks like a Big Am= p carrying device mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA7CF4.D83E5AB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mal.
Brief info at
 
 
Ken
M0KHW
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Monday, December 14, 20= 09 3:56=20 PM
Subject: LF: DIODE

MF Grp
Does anyone have spec for a BTY 96= UM or BTY=20 98. Looks like a Big Amp carrying device
mal/g3kev
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA7CF4.D83E5AB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf03.mx.aol.com (rly-mf03.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.173]) by air-mf07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF071-9514b194894de; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:36:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF037-9514b194894de; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:36:22 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGc3z-0000L2-E8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:35:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGc3z-0000Kt-1g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:35:27 +0000 Received: from mx76.mail.ru ([94.100.176.91]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGc3y-0005uI-Dj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:35:27 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=11747 helo=EFREMOV) by mx76.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NGc3s-0004LY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 20:35:20 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <002001ca7508$26af20c0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: References: <000d01ca74fb$f884b360$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:35:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Whi is MCP? Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Chris, Probably, "CPM"? It could be Henny PA3CPM. 73 Andrey Thanks Mal, what I want to know is who was transmitting 'MCP' in QRSS on approx. 136.518kHz this morning. Nobody seems to know. How are you supposed to find out who these abbreviated callsigns are? Maybe there should be/is a database somewhere?? Sri the 'Whi' in my subject should have been 'Who'. Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message ----- From: mal hamilton To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:08 PM Subject: LF: Re: Whi is MCP? Chris All the action every nite is around 137.7 on QRS 3 normally also DFCW and some CW further down the band. Several stns active most nites, lately HB9, OE, OH, EW6, SP and RU etc If u want a QSO look in this area. I am also active especially if there is DX about. mal/g3lev ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris To: RSGB LF Group Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:04 PM Subject: LF: Whi is MCP? Hi All, Can anyone tell me who was sending MCP on approx. 136.518kHz this morning? Thanks. Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (rly-mb01.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.154]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB071-ce54b152cf23ce; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:49:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB011-ce54b152cf23ce; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:49:24 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFU1e-0001y9-Qw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:48:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFU1e-0001y0-FW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:48:22 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFU1d-0008CI-Ui for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:48:22 +0000 Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091201144816.IARK17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:48:16 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091201144816.VNLX13254.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:48:16 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:48:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B152CAB.4987.61D1EE@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAC5@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> References: <3FCC9C19DE674B15A385181E7EFC37C1@Black>, <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAC5@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=PT1iLhJ8TtEA:10 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=-yltNgraEDeAsbJdI4gA:9 a=Nd9bYJC5o5ouvObILk17XBcHbF0A:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: any traffic this evening? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Stefan, I can transmit a QRSS3 beacon for you on 136.318kHz from 1800 to 2100UTC, if you like. Mike, G3XDV ========== > > Will there be any activity this evening? I want to try my RX-Antenna > and need some signals, if possible in QRSS3/DFCW3. If it will, I would > drive to "my" hill and do some tests. It would be at around 19 utc. > > > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (rly-ma06.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.50]) by air-ma04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA042-8b14b244522178; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:36:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA063-8b14b244522178; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:36:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJdMP-0005HP-8x for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 01:34:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJdMO-0005HG-TS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 01:34:56 +0000 Received: from mbox1.netikka.net ([213.250.81.202]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJdMc-0003b3-Ji for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 01:35:11 +0000 Received: from tupu.netikka.net (tupu [172.16.83.90]) by mbox1-feedback.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFD3027182F for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:35:06 +0200 (EET) Received: from imp1.netikka.net (imp1.netikka.net [213.250.85.154]) by tupu.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F0DA4B0058 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:35:06 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imp1.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7D21495BA7 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:35:06 +0200 (EET) Received: from 558602b6.adsl.multi.fi (558602b6.adsl.multi.fi [85.134.2.182]) by imp.netikka.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:35:06 +0200 Message-ID: <1260668106.4b2444caa1b5f@imp.netikka.net> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:35:06 +0200 From: Paul-Henrik To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 85.134.2.182 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: WE2XGR/6 loud and clear in OH on 507.2kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) LF 20091213 0105UTC Copying WE2XGR/6 beacon in normal CW on 507.2kHz, the ID plus space cycle= is about 30 seconds. QSB is evident on the signal, varying from a Q2 to a Q5 copy. Cycle time= is a few minutes. Funnily the NDB "Z" seems to have almost the opposite QSB pat= tern. Received on a low SW-NE peaking delta loop with 4 metre sides into a simpl= e balanced preamplifier using 2 x 2N5109's to an IC-R75 with no CW filter fi= tted. I have been looking in vein for US signals on 600m so many nights only to finally stumble over one by accident just prior to closing the radio... Now 0120UTC and still there, Q5... 0125UTC and switched to the 25:1 wideband matched inverted-L to get rid of= the possibly counterproductive loop antenna directivity: Even better S/N, this= is just amazing. 0131UTC and reaching another QSB peak at Q5. Getting kind of late (early morning) so will have to end here. Once again amazing signals, just like= a 1W ERP EU station at 1500kms or so. Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ Vaasa / KP03SD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md03.mx.aol.com (rly-md03.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.141]) by air-md02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD021-8f24b196669a3; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:43:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD032-8f24b196669a3; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:43:39 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGe2y-0001hQ-OT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:42:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGe2y-0001hH-0q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:42:32 +0000 Received: from mail-ew0-f217.google.com ([209.85.219.217]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGe2x-00074d-04 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:42:31 +0000 Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so1018769ewy.31 for ; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:42:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=J/jKjSzUAac704hPNGqbayGTqq+nzV4BDujXxmc/Ols=; b=LHjo10KuQ7Q8S3yr9UxMLEnMrWRxAjbpCktQtiFHgRsWTHVDDAopjajIbZhe+GIMyy 9g3n3FREsvskzDp4qoInkksuZ8zpRpK6SAPBjfrIWZG7fyL6pjTHesqNZMwKlECVxUTx TvKdAyk7u8zhjdHPxMVK7XBTp1rdxEjSV3D3o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=vwUFGLOjtPeWoFOM9MP48gEPhix8lKa9p0yjk5VthCyCsMzot6mJiLm9QVXDLYfy5s BLwNgdo4S2OGx8mAyCWqk0l0Ca6zRIXIcP78FCeqppC4ai4PQ/Pk1ijWbNfu2Ro0zNmd YC0ysQeQImtvm+0D5rhFj8+0Rw30OIDBktOqk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.109.156 with SMTP id j28mr11024457ebp.79.1259955744786; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:42:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <254102CCC310104CA9DA9DA31EBD03CE02CF20829E@exlnmb06.eur.nsroot.net> References: <254102CCC310104CA9DA9DA31EBD03CE02CF20829E@exlnmb06.eur.nsroot.net> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 20:42:24 +0100 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anton_B=E4rtschi?= To: "Scholz, Marco" , rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: FW: Re: LF: Re: qso Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0ce0425e99cb000479ec4e98 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m220.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0ce0425e99cb000479ec4e98 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable UFB lieber Marco, Danke f=FCr das QSO und ein sch=F6nes Wochenende. 73 de Toni 2009/12/3 Scholz, Marco > Hallo Toni, > vielen Dank f=FCr den Sked. Ich bin mal gespannt. Wetter scheint ja > mitzuspielen. > > Gru=DF, vy73 > Marco, DD7PC > ------------------------------ > *From:* Anton B=E4rtschi [mailto:hb9asb@gmail.com] > *Sent:* 03 December 2009 16:20 > *To:* Scholz, Marco [ICG-IT]; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* Re: Re: LF: Re: qso > > Hallo Marco > Werde ab 20:00 MEZ in QRS3 CQ rufen und nach Dir Ausschau halten. Es w= =FCrde > mich auch freuen, wenn's klappen w=FCrde. > 73 de Toni, HB9ASB > > 2009/12/1 Scholz, Marco > >> Hallo Toni, >> Ich werde am Freitag auch QRV sein. Wuerde mich ueber ein QSO mit dir >> freuen. Waere fuer mich das erste nach HB, aber mein Setup ist recht kl= ein. >> Gruss, 73 >> Marco, DD7PC >> >> ------------------------------ >> *Von*: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org < >> owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> >> *An*: Marcin ; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org < >> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> >> *Gesendet*: Tue Dec 01 19:03:24 2009 >> *Betreff*: Re: LF: Re: qso >> >> Hello Marcin >> Yes, we will try it again. If WX is good, I will be QRV Friday Evening, >> probably allready from 19:00 til 23:00 UTC. >> 73 de Toni >> >> 2009/11/30 Marcin >> >>> Hello Toni >>> If you calling my I have QSO on DK8ND. I copied your twice transmiting >>> CQ. >>> Maybe have qso next friday? >>> 73! Marcin >>> >>> >>> >>> Hello Marcin >>> I've seen your signal in QRS10. It was quite strong. I called you, but >>> probably my signal was too weak. May be we can make a QSO next weekend= . >>> 73 de Toni, HB9ASB >>> >>> >>> 2009/11/24 Anton B=E4rtschi >>> >>> Hello Marcin >>> Yes, would be nice to make a first contact SP-HB9. As far as i know,= it >>> never took place. How abot this weekend, saturday or sunday? Have you >>> ever >>> seen my signal? Should we try it in QRS3 or QRS10? >>> 73 de Toni, HB9ASB >>> >>> >>> 2009/11/23 Marcin >>> >>> Hello Toni >>> Plise QSO on 136kHz. >>> We have 1W EIRP and antenna 30m hight and 120m long. >>> -- >>> Vy 73! >>> Marcin SQ2BXI >>> (SP2KDS Team) >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Internetowi nie placa! Otworz Konto Direct. >>> Kliknij >> http://link.interia.pl/f2448 >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Audi kilka tysiecy zlotych taniej? Przebieraj wsrod tysiecy ogloszen! >>> Kliknij >>> http://link.interia.pl/f2424 >>> >>> >> > --000e0ce0425e99cb000479ec4e98 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable UFB lieber Marco, Danke f=FCr das QSO und ein sch=F6nes Wochenende.
73= de Toni

2009/12/3 Scholz, Marco <marco.scholz@cit= i.com>
Hallo Toni,
vielen Dank f=FCr den Sked. Ich bin mal gespannt. Wetter=20 scheint ja mitzuspielen.
=A0
Gru=DF, vy73
Marco, DD7PC
From: Anton B=E4rtschi [mailto:hb9asb@gmail.com]= =20
Sent: 03 December 2009 16:20
To: Scholz, Marco [ICG-I= T];=20 rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: Re: LF: Re:=20 qso

Hallo Marco
Werde ab 20:00 MEZ in QRS3 CQ rufen und nach Dir= =20 Ausschau halten. Es w=FCrde mich auch freuen, wenn's klappen w=FCrde.<= br>73 de Toni,=20 HB9ASB

2009/12/1 Scholz, Marco <<= a href=3D"mailto:marco.scholz@citi.com" target=3D"_blank">marco.scholz@cit= i.com>
Hallo Toni,
Ich= werde am Freitag=20 auch QRV sein. Wuerde mich ueber ein QSO mit dir freuen. Waere fuer mich= das=20 erste nach HB, aber mein Setup ist recht klein.
Gruss, 73
Marco,= =20 DD7PC

Hello Marcin
Yes, we will try it again. If WX is= good,=20 I will be QRV Friday Evening, probably allready from 19:00 til 23:00 UTC= .=20
73 de Toni

2009/11/30 Marcin <bxi@interia.pl>
Hello=20 Toni
If you calling my I have QSO on DK8ND. I copied your twice=20 transmiting CQ.
Maybe have qso next friday?
73! Marcin



Hello Marcin
I've seen your signal in QRS10.= It was=20 quite strong. I called you, but
probably my signal was too weak. Ma= y be=20 we can make a QSO next weekend.
73 de Toni, HB9ASB


2009/= 11/24=20 Anton B=E4rtschi <hb9asb@gmail.com>

Hello Marcin
Yes, would be=20 nice to make a first contact SP-HB9. As far as i know, it
never too= k=20 place. How abot this weekend, saturday or sunday? Have you ever
see= n my=20 signal? Should we try it in QRS3 or QRS10?
73 de Toni,=20 HB9ASB


2009/11/23 Marcin <bxi@interia.pl>

Hello Toni
Plise QS= O on=20 136kHz.
We have 1W EIRP and antenna 30m hight and 120m long.
--<= br>Vy=20 73!
Marcin SQ2BXI
(SP2KDS=20 Team)

---------------------------------------------------------= -------------
Internetowi=20 nie placa! Otworz Konto Direct.
Kliknij >> http://link.interia.pl/f2448<= br>

---------------------------------------------------= -------------------
Audi=20 kilka tysiecy zlotych taniej? Przebieraj wsrod tysiecy ogloszen!
Kl= iknij=20 >>> http://link.interia.pl/f2424




--000e0ce0425e99cb000479ec4e98-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg05.mx.aol.com (rly-dg05.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.89]) by air-dg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG021-5ca4b276bdc75; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 05:58:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG057-5ca4b276bdc75; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 05:58:38 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKV4Z-0001GY-4U for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:56:07 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKV4Y-0001GP-Ox for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:56:06 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate09.web.de ([217.72.192.184]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKV5s-0004M7-7Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:57:30 +0000 Received: from web.de by fmmailgate09.web.de (Postfix) with SMTP id C80392B44719 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:57:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from [78.55.16.153] by freemailng6505.web.de with HTTP; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:57:37 +0100 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:57:37 +0100 Message-Id: <993182564@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: di2am@web.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-Provags-Id: V01U2FsdGVkX1/tTaLJusl1ICWyEISf3pTVjhxl1Ji1q5MLToFv/r1hkFbJy pjDEEETe6f/oTbhze3xS8CCBXdcGyaWq9rG8mIQgomYzMQ4FhE= X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear all, > Von: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" > If the "gain" or better said SNR between qrss30 and qrss3 is 10dB, so=20 > can I do a QSO to VK with 1W TX Power and an antenna efficiency of 1/ > 1000 if I choose QRSS10000000000? That=92s a litte jokingly=20 > formulated but you know what I mean. In other words, where are the=20 > limitations of this rule?=20 The variability of the channel properties and your life expectancy (hi) ... > What is the maximum power that is applied to an antenna yet? What=20 > have you heard yet? I have applied 1kW in a bad antenna (=3D> abt 100mW= =20 > ERP), so 10kW would be possible when considering to stay in the legal=20 > limit. 10kW would be possible since one doesn't need a ferrite core=20 > that has to keep the power (in Class E mode). In USA it would be even=20 > more easy due to the fact that the 110V of the mains could just be=20 > rectified. Then I would take some STW12NK90Zin parallel and a=20 > IXDD414and try it with 15A antenna current ;-) > Sorry, but in that hobby it is really easy to become euphoric=85 You've nicely demonstrated the nonsense of the 1W ERP legal limit regs. The 200 W TX output on LF and 100 W TX output on MF the norwegian authorities permitted seem to be by far more reasonable to me. 73 Joerg, DL3NRV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df05.mx.aol.com (rly-df05.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.18]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF032-54f4b1c112725a; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:17:09 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF054-54f4b1c112725a; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:16:41 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHNWD-0005r7-DH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:15:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHNWC-0005qy-Se for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:15:44 +0000 Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com ([209.85.219.218]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHNWB-0008UF-UB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:15:44 +0000 Received: by ewy10 with SMTP id 10so459722ewy.30 for ; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 12:15:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ltW2RoMqQsjPlNGdPetXqrKjoidvwpYlNOIAWt4UaIg=; b=mcJi4BgzDFVcivWiTmvR+o/JjVzWR2on/6/fvWktRo/ySTVyS8yOoFOcLGbP4p6yJn 8V24dPWtQ1HtBAa+87xdAskgtetUdKstHR1h0bW3LC6j5cb+QRt4hmv3YLoFtdq2+e/D FkcogDkkU6VOZ0N40qsolZpn+g3w6zhbw6QlQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=i7e3ZUFbt3IqMkCLMqK9+pWqbUUeKiD/4gipCsKPTfHuk5rQX7r/qTtZsCtga0wExc yad5WwsaArzTlI78zGyMoNwDsHU96uPVqM4xst9JldWwSi4HQrAKdAgkLhCqPw0JR6O4 LthCqHvIyLkOYN3mE40uyxJM7hOomYh9aydoE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.103.11 with SMTP id i11mr6194037ebo.63.1260130536301; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 12:15:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <42030EE58BDD4FA78C88635B91BDFB78@2a2d7ed321c6425> References: <42030EE58BDD4FA78C88635B91BDFB78@2a2d7ed321c6425> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 21:15:36 +0100 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anton_B=E4rtschi?= To: "Beckmann, Gerhard" , rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Unser QSO auf 137,7 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504502d29cfca3f9047a15001d X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m239.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00504502d29cfca3f9047a15001d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hallo Gerhard Sorry f=FCr die versp=E4tete Antwort, alle deine Posts sind in meinem Spam-Ordner gelandet. Unser QSO hat wunderbar geklappt und du bist in meinem Log. Dein Signal wa= r gut lesbar, absolut "O"! Meine Antenne ist etwa gleich, nur die Leistung h=F6her: 500W bis 1KW je= nach Anpassung. Vielen Dank f=FCr das QSO und 73 aus der Westschweiz de Toni HB9ASB in JN36NU Anton B=E4rtschi Les fermes 24 1792 Cordast Schweiz 2009/12/3 Beckmann, Gerhard > > > Hallo Toni, > > > > =85falls die Mail nicht durchgekommen war=85. > > > > Besten Dank f=FCr ein kurzes Lebenszeichen. > > > > vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *Von:* Beckmann, Gerhard [mailto:beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de] > *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 1. Dezember 2009 22:01 > *An:* 'Beckmann, Gerhard'; 'Anton B=E4rtschi' > *Betreff:* AW: Unser QSO auf 137,7 > > > > Hallo Toni, > > > > nur eine kurze Frage: > > Hattest Du mein Signal lesen k=F6nnen oder war es eine Verwechslung > meinerseits? > > > > Besten Dank + vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *Von:* Beckmann, Gerhard [mailto:beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de] > *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 29. November 2009 23:06 > *An:* 'Anton B=E4rtschi' > *Betreff:* Unser QSO auf 137,7 > > > > Hallo Toni, > > > > besten Dank f=FCr das ufb QSO auf 137,72 in QRSS3! > > Mein Rig: > > *TX:* Ropex mit ca. 100 Watt. > > *RX*: TS 440 S > > *Antenne:* endgespeister Draht mit 40 Meter L=E4nge und ca. 10 Meter H= =F6he. > > (sehr schlechte l=F6sung f=FCr LF ---hi--) > > > > vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI > > > > =3D=3D=3D > > > > > > > > > --00504502d29cfca3f9047a15001d Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hallo Gerhard
Sorry f=FCr die versp=E4tete Antwort, alle deine Posts si= nd in meinem Spam-Ordner gelandet.
Unser QSO hat wunderbar geklappt und= du bist in meinem Log. Dein Signal war gut lesbar, absolut "O"!=
Meine Antenne ist etwa gleich, nur die Leistung h=F6her: 500W bis 1KW je= nach Anpassung.
Vielen Dank f=FCr das QSO und 73 aus der Westschweizde Toni HB9ASB in JN36NU

Anton B=E4rtschi
Les fermes 24
179= 2 Cordast
Schweiz

2009/12/3 Beckmann, Gerhard <beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de= >

=A0

Hallo= Toni,

=A0

=85falls die= Mail nicht durchgekommen war=85.

=A0

Besten Dank= f=FCr ein kurzes Lebenszeichen.

=A0

vy 73 de Ger= hard=A0 // DK6NI

=A0

=3D=3D=3D=3D=

=A0

=A0

Von: Beckmann, Gerhard [mailto:beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. De= zember 2009 22:01
An: 'Beckmann, Gerhar= d'; 'Anton B=E4rtschi'
Betreff: AW: Unser QSO au= f 137,7

=A0

Hallo= Toni,

=A0

nur eine kur= ze Frage:

Hattest Du= mein Signal lesen k=F6nnen oder war es eine Verwechslung meinerseits?

=A0

Besten Dank= + vy 73 de Gerhard=A0 //=A0 DK6NI

=A0

=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D

=A0

=A0

Von: Beckmann, Gerhard [mailto:beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. No= vember 2009 23:06
An: 'Anton B=E4rtschi= '
Betreff: Unser QSO auf 13= 7,7

=A0

Hallo Toni,

=A0

besten Dank f=FCr das ufb QSO auf 137,72= in QRSS3!

Mein Rig:

TX:= Ropex mit ca. 100 Watt.

RX: TS 440 S

Antenne: endgespeister Draht mit 40 Meter L=E4nge und ca. 10 Meter H=F6he.

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 (sehr schlechte l=F6sung f=FCr LF ---hi--)

=A0

vy 73 de Gerhard=A0 //=A0 DK6NI

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=3D=3D=3D

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--00504502d29cfca3f9047a15001d-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df05.mx.aol.com (rly-df05.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.18]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF081-54d4b1939732b; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:32:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF052-54d4b1939732b; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:31:49 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGb3G-0007yK-PC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:30:38 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGb3G-0007yB-3u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:30:38 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGb3E-0006k7-Dr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:30:38 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj8FAE7IGEtOlpNG/2dsb2JhbACCIy2LTwbJG4QzBIFn X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,342,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="137063564" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.150.147.70]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Dec 2009 16:30:30 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01ca74ff$163eb010$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 16:30:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: FUSE TEST Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA74FF.15C05850" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA74FF.15C05850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has anyone tested the ACTUAL blow current for fuses eg 5A 10A 30A.. I often do not have fuses at the correct value and FUSE down only to= find that I can run them at considerably higher amps than rated eg 30= A fuses at 50A and they fail to blow. This is intermittent use say 30%= - 50% in psu's used for CW and QRS3 normally in FET AMPS This is normal fuse wire bought wrapped on card. It looks like your PA fets could be in trouble under certain circumsta= nces. de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA74FF.15C05850 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Has anyone tested the ACTUAL blow cur= rent for fuses=20 eg 5A 10A 30A..
I often do not have fuses at the corr= ect value and=20 FUSE down only to find that I can run them at considerably higher amps= than=20 rated eg 30A fuses at 50A and they fail to blow. This is intermittent= use say=20 30% - 50% in psu's used for CW and QRS3 normally in FET AMPS
This is normal fuse wire bought wrapp= ed on=20 card.
It looks like your PA fets could be= in trouble=20 under certain circumstances.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA74FF.15C05850-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df02.mx.aol.com (rly-df02.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.15]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF013-5334b250ef5a5; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:57:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF026-5334b250ef5a5; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:57:43 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJqnj-0004y1-7y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:56:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJqni-0004xs-UC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:56:02 +0000 Received: from [85.37.17.112] (helo=smtp-out112.alice.it) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJqo6-0004f8-62 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:56:34 +0000 Received: from fbcmmo06.fbc.local ([192.168.184.137]) by smtp-out112.alice.it with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:56:05 +0100 Received: from FBCMCL01B02.fbc.local ([192.168.69.83]) by fbcmmo06.fbc.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:54:11 +0100 Received: from IK1ODO.spin-it.com ([87.24.41.185]) by FBCMCL01B02.fbc.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:54:12 +0100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:53:55 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Marco IK1ODO In-Reply-To: References: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> <241919.87622.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9afca2640912130305r3acb5e5fs991caaa1115d2255@mail.gmail.com> <6E7638745A1B43168C402CDBB010C2A7@AGB> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2009 15:54:12.0416 (UTC) FILETIME=[83AE2400:01CA7C0C] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: "Y" beacon on 137.777 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Please, who is sending "Y" on 137.7778 DFCW? Well visible on DF6NM grabbler. 73 - Marco IK1ODO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD104-9204b23e60d248; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:51:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD088-9204b23e60d248; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:50:54 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJX2Z-0002SB-Fs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:50:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJX2Z-0002S2-54 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:50:03 +0000 Received: from mx01.infotech.at ([213.174.240.1]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJX2d-0001x5-Oa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:50:09 +0000 Received: from [213.174.228.201] by mx01.infotech.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJX2c-0006sd-M1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:50:07 +0100 Message-ID: <4B23E5C8.3030408@inext.at> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:49:44 +0100 From: Oberreiter Oswald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001401ca7b56$dfedfbc0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <001401ca7b56$dfedfbc0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Racket Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ----- what ist ? its the nr 5 from oe5odl qrss80 73 mal hamilton schrieb: > What is that racket every night on 137.5 kcs, some sort of arabic > script 2 mins on and 2 mins off. > g3kev > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb08.mx.aol.com (rly-mb08.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.166]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB073-d234b322a6514d; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:34:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB087-d234b322a6514d; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:34:15 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNSGU-0004St-Mk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:32:38 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNSGU-0004Sk-3H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:32:38 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate09.web.de ([217.72.192.184]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNSGR-0003FY-RZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:32:38 +0000 Received: from web.de by fmmailgate09.web.de (Postfix) with SMTP id A51E32B4688E for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:32:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from [84.63.99.12] by freemailng2504.web.de with HTTP; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:32:28 +0100 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:32:28 +0100 Message-Id: <1554129453@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?iso-8859-15?Q?Horst_St=F6cker?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-Provags-Id: V01U2FsdGVkX18VPXc/RYL8aL0lYvNoBjU0iHw9+xOeVOzcNYdSUqlhYupft kIeKD9+Bs9UzutZm2Kf6+9uONnm0JYIPPY/bQYCaEqMuE9FijWeVoTGsWHwx g== X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJECT_ENCODED_TWICE=1.543,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: =?iso-8859-15?Q?Re:_LF:_Re:_An_DK1KQ:_500_kHz_f=FCr_den_Funkamateur_SD?= =?iso-8859-15?Q?R?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hallo Uwe, danke f=FCr die Info. Den FA-SDR f=FCr 136 kHz habe ich ja, da bin ich versorgt. Ich hatte Dich so verstanden, als habest Du wiederum von diesem eine Modif= ikation f=FCr 500 kHz, Wenn nicht, dann werde ich mich mal auf die Suche nach einem entsprechende= n SoftRock machen. Auch Dir und Familie sch=F6ne Weihnachten und alles Gute f=FCr 2010 Horst > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: "Uwe Wensauer" > Gesendet: 22.12.09 20:52:43 > An: > Betreff: LF: Re: An DK1KQ: 500 kHz f=FCr den Funkamateur SDR > Hallo Horst, > verstehe nicht ganz was Du meinst. > Ich vermute einmal, dass Du suchst "IQ-SDR-Minimalsystem auch f=FCr Lang= welle=20 > nutzen" > FA 7/07 Seite 735-736 >=20 > Hierf=FCr h=E4tte ich auch noch eine Leiterplatte. >=20 > Frohe Weihnachten > 73 > Uwe, DK1KQ >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Horst St=F6cker" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 7:14 PM > Subject: LF: An DK1KQ: 500 kHz f=FCr den Funkamateur SDR >=20 >=20 > Hallo Uwe, > die in Deinem Buch genannte eMail-Adresse scheint nicht mehr zu stimme,= =20 > daher nun auf diesem Wege: In welchem Heft war Dein Artikel ?? > Sch=F6ne Feiertage > Horst DO1KHS > ______________________________________________________ > GRATIS f=FCr alle WEB.DE-Nutzer: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! > Jetzt freischalten unter http://movieflat.web.de >=20 >=20 >=20 ______________________________________________________ GRATIS f=FCr alle WEB.DE-Nutzer: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://movieflat.web.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df09.mx.aol.com (rly-df09.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.22]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF024-57b4b23c50435a; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 11:30:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF098-57b4b23c50435a; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 11:29:57 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJUpj-00019a-2E for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:28:39 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJUpi-00019R-MQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:28:38 +0000 Received: from mout4.freenet.de ([195.4.92.94]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJUpj-0008SJ-VO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:28:41 +0000 Received: from [195.4.92.16] (helo=6.mx.freenet.de) by mout4.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.70 #1) id 1NJUpj-0000U8-7a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:28:39 +0100 Received: from g230094112.adsl.alicedsl.de ([92.230.94.112]:1084 helo=[192.168.0.100]) by 6.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #94) id 1NJUpi-0008O6-QA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:28:39 +0100 Message-ID: <4B23C4B5.10102@freenet.de> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:28:37 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Wolfgang_B=FCscher?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC1F@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B23B319.9080005@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <4B23B319.9080005@usa.net> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Japanese time&frequency station Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Alberto, I occasionally see a weak trace on 40 kHz using an indoor loop antenna, but I am not convinced that this is a real 'DX' signal. The signal I see is more than 10 dB down on NAU (40.75 kHz) from Puerto Rico. Similar (negative) results currently on the 'Kiel Longwave Monitor' : http://df3lp.de/spec.png (compare magnitude for some US transmitters, at the moment there's nothing on Peter's graph around 40 kHz. Same here). All the best and have a nice christmas season, 73, Wolf . Alberto di Bene schrieb: > Is there anybody in Europe that was able to receive the Japanese > time&frequency standard station at 40 kHz ? > If yes, could you please give details about the equipments, especially > the antenna, used ? > > I am trying since some time, night and day, but no luck so far.... > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb11.mx.aol.com (rly-mb11.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.169]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB041-d3a4b180b8f3aa; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:04:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb11.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB116-d3a4b180b8f3aa; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:03:45 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGGx2-0003ii-N9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:02:52 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGGx2-0003iZ-3l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:02:52 +0000 Received: from smtp09.online.nl ([194.134.42.54]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGGx0-0007r6-Gi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:02:52 +0000 Received: from smtp09.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp09.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A22C1E2B0 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:02:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp09.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:02:46 +0100 (CET) From: To: Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:02:46 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20091203194531.or926chzk844g4k8@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp09.online.nl) X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: RE: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Rik, I use an active antenna of my own design (higher imd free range than= the miniwhip).It alsoo has a FET inputstage with some protectiondiode= s and a small lightbulb. It was only 3 meters away from the transmitti= ngantenna,500 Watt in the range 136KHz-3,8MHz never has been any probl= em for the past 4 years.. Optimum whiplenght in this aerea 60cm. 73 Victor PA3FNY -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Rik Strobbe Verzonden: donderdag 3 december 2009 19:46 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; RoelofBakker Onderwerp: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Roelof, I cannot agree, a Belgian beer can will provide at least 10dB better= SNR ;-) Now serious: I have been thinking about a simple but good RX antenna= =20 for LF, MF and the lower HF range and you mini-whip seems the right = =20 solution. But will the preamp survive when pumping a few 100W into my 500kHz TX= =20 antenna (lazy-L) that will be only 25m away ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Roelof Bakker : > Hello Alberto, > > I am not much in beer myself, but there seems to be a famous Dutch= brand, > that I can recommend! > > 73, > Roelof, pa0rdt > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc08.mx.aol.com (rly-mc08.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.92]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC021-d904b200080230; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:54:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC088-d904b200080230; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:54:41 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NISbQ-0004Zn-Ey for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:53:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NISbP-0004Ze-UW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:53:35 +0000 Received: from mail-yw0-f196.google.com ([209.85.211.196]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NISbO-0005b3-Tl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:53:35 +0000 Received: by ywh34 with SMTP id 34so6752412ywh.1 for ; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:53:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=FpXtp86QaN7iIA7w6GJ4wYZzOmQsrVPR0DIXnX5WplY=; b=xUYT2YUeU1+oAWM6s50Gw/JdQKJLlbtLyvP6cLjpVjJsdg0heSNAG2RfBav7vi8aiG FuBYOd6FcfsY+dZQt+mbcWTpm/yBztcT+peX9CzrzdycrO6jYCkeK9T3GSM99+FrcTho ubJYea5u4JHK9je3d12WsLxtDgs1fcd4Ad1Mw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=IO+R1HluwYWZd5jjHAnTRgyjDBMpOiXSqjuyGOjWlGW2ZeYYJnWUWNfqJxUyVM9s9I 7Bh9PdfZOjJ/12g9DWDBGKX4YCsorAPsl48msnUVeedJ19uKEkWIXQ0raIX9KlAMsFlc VAA09YSByAmpFmcALgoDfTWDqosCKdyvRk4JY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.88.25 with SMTP id l25mr17264788ybb.170.1260388407973; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:53:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 14:53:27 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca70912091153iaa6a489ia1a35bc98f56233a@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d262.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Andy, > With a CW only option and if it really is a VFO, resulting poor stabilit= y > its just an appalingingly ludicrous joke. Point taken, but I wouldn't lose much sleep over a rig that isn't going to sell in the first place. >And anyone buying such just deserves the contempt they'll get using it. I disagree on that point - ham radio in general is rapidly dieing off and I welcome all no mater how they got there! --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Andy Talbot wr= ote: > To quote the data sheet : > > "The TX-2200A > lets you turn the clock back and explore long waves, > but with technology that the early pioneers could not > even dream of. In a package around the same size as > many transceivers this little gem of engineering will > provide up to 100 Watts of output power." > > With a CW only option and if it really is a VFO, resulting poor stabilit= y > =A0its just an appalingingly ludicrous joke. =A0 And anyone buying such= just > deserves the contempt they'll get using it. > > LF was alwatys considered to be the last bastion of real homebrew and > experiimentation. > Rant over. > > But kudos to the manufacturer if they can exploit the gullible :-)=A0=A0= =A0 I > wonder if its a rip-off of any designs published in the open literature > here=A0 There have been quite a few 100 Watt 137 transmitters=A0weblicis= ed - who > will be the first to claim his copyright infringements. > > My 700 Watt Class D Tx=A0=A0 =A0http://www.g4jnt.com/137tx.pdf=A0 probab= ly would > cost in the region of =A330 - =A340 buying most of the components, but= without > the DDS driver.=A0 Never really priced it as new -=A0everything came fro= m the > junkbox. > > > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and > safety police > > > > 2009/12/9 Warren Ziegler : >> Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 >> Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver >> muting. >> Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! >> >> http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf >> >> >> >> 73 Warren K2ORS >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WD2XGJ >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WD2XSH/23 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WE2XEB/2 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WE2XGR/1 >> >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df09.mx.aol.com (rly-df09.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.22]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF014-5784b1c32151da; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 17:37:30 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF095-5784b1c32151da; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 17:37:10 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHPhy-0006k4-Nb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:36:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHPhy-0006jv-CF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:36:02 +0000 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHPhx-0000f2-Fy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:36:02 +0000 thread-index: Acp2xHjXI6z+y93/TtypMhoxUKU7Cg== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 X-SPAM-FLAG:NO Received: from ([127.0.0.1]) with MailEnable ESMTP; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 22:35:53 +0000 Message-ID: <82CC5A92F2604FFC92F0A881995F6A4D@radiorummet> From: "Gus" To: Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 23:35:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.389945 X-CHK: uvtcmail.se X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: QSO 137 kHz Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0050_01CA76CC.D91071E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01CA76CC.D91071E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oswald LF, thanks QSO 137,650 kHz OE5ODL/SM6BHZ. Lot of noise and QSB but you get strong at the end of QSO. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01CA76CC.D91071E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Oswald LF,
 
thanks QSO 137,650 kHz=20 OE5ODL/SM6BHZ.
Lot of noise and QSB but you get stron= g at the end=20 of QSO.
 
73 de Gus SM6BHZ<= /DIV>
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0050_01CA76CC.D91071E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG101-a244b25468a174; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:55:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG076-a244b25468a174; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:54:52 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJuVK-0000EB-3P for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:53:18 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJuVJ-0000E2-Lq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:53:17 +0000 Received: from web63606.mail.re1.yahoo.com ([69.147.97.76]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJuVz-00057p-IS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:54:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 50007 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Dec 2009 19:53:53 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1260734033; bh=DwT8j5ImXdXReKUPT2jvjesuvDCt5NveCZqGyKzsMpU=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=S3d+Jh8LIzxNKXlFGZUCDBIRNIJr0Ipg4ZToPVLr0Gth0SPKSGzkKLOFOjJDUuMlQNC81Wl126KQIotZhQH2KfD30jb7weElEhtv+zxdijI4sRXGSjqzyKNrEXYaeSjFOC4ooYX/Xf6sJHsvhUY1NigHSfZRILXIIathgT4Wl1g= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TOvyKtXTODSYSteaDSqdtZA9hnv1rb4LhjF1WYwxZErfytilANhD6UI33UbQiHA+51YU/si81gbPowGE+08eln1nkdyBBEFkpCW/SzUcWoEa02WsfLxvTjM7DerMxJiHdSy+V/e0ELkYM0lDGf+8QOdeRpLc07DgMVYHOTj1Iqk=; Message-ID: <309867.50003.qm@web63606.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: tWN_hzkVM1kRWy2OZ71zOXS6._oCkF9zYYhG1OfplrqShpigJnQI3RdSpAOZ4UfeTepSBv8B0xv8SmLsf9vx0mBux5mfmO3RXR5KgapEe1Ues9HDa5pxszYkLezt_Vjpdv9JZ47t0JIj_ZZRTDoP.IY4SLV7jBoba0tZklS17quGmjbRwXCdgSilJMXbgeQIdRgq8GsLzH_ItFWBGLCobek2E1.tY2xdfILAIzIIu9iv_f3l9lALJBOsOusuOmvpyDg.kSOO8wnYeDz39CgPvzgD3NlsJpIJAjCD5_FlfhA6euu3DZxTJqcls8avbueqd38q5ORbNFQuhuC.N3Hs9o0PLDFlbvSvuoCqLypf3i7z0yDiJzJenMaszDOdLRhBoHKJvALq08hh Received: from [66.191.248.86] by web63606.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:53:53 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:53:53 -0800 (PST) From: Andy - KU4XR To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <004301ca7c2b$548746b0$6402a8c0@e7010> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG QRO QRSS3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d253.1 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : pass Thank You; 73 to you ::: Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29866 KHz ( QRSS-60 ) Coordinates: N: 35* 43' 54" - W: 84* 3' 16" http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr http://webpages.charter.net/ku4xr/ --- On Sun, 12/13/09, Walter und Marianne Staubach wrote: > From: Walter und Marianne Staubach > Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG QRO QRSS3 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 2:34 PM > Dear Andy, yes, it is still > 505.090KHz. > 73=A0 =A0 Walter >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andy - KU4XR" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 8:30 PM > Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG QRO QRSS3 >=20 >=20 > Walter: >=20 > Is your frequency still 505.090 KHz ?? >=20 >=20 > Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. > LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29866 KHz ( QRSS-60 ) > Coordinates:=A0 N:=A0 35* 43' 54" - W:=A0 84* 3' > 16" > http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr > http://webpages.charter.net/ku4xr/ >=20 >=20 > --- On Sun, 12/13/09, Walter und Marianne Staubach > > wrote: >=20 > > From: Walter und Marianne Staubach > > Subject: LF: DI2AG QRO QRSS3 > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 12:39 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear MF, > > DI2AG is > > > > now transmitting in QRSS3 with more power - 2W ERP > > instead of 0.4W ERP. > > Please your reports via wum.staubach@t-online.de > > or dj2lf@darc.de > > > > The machine will run until > > tomorrow 7UTC - if she > > does the job. > > Thanks and 73 > > Walter DI2AG / > > DJ2LF > > > > > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md01.mx.aol.com (rly-md01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.139]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD054-8e84b31ec963bd; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:10:48 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD018-8e84b31ec963bd; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:10:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNOA3-0003dO-V9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:09:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNOA3-0003dC-HU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:09:43 +0000 Received: from psmtp08.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.22]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNOA1-0004IQ-Cv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:09:43 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp08.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KV3001X0O7WO2@psmtp08.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 11:09:33 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 11:09:18 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: WP F23-12.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_1ZWn/QHz3OoMj7wgdttThw)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --Boundary_(ID_1ZWn/QHz3OoMj7wgdttThw) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_IjEcLP4Y1CoroY00PRMIQw)" --Boundary_(ID_IjEcLP4Y1CoroY00PRMIQw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi LF, Capture WPF Henny pa3cpm 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: WPF23-12.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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Hi LF,
Capture WPF
Henny pa3cpm
73s
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SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 8 Dec 2009 15:39:29 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [60.27.207.45] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:39:29 -0900 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001901ca785a$a2509420$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> References: <4B1ECE8E.1040701@online.fr>,<001901ca785a$a2509420$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2009 23:39:29.0759 (UTC) FILETIME=[AFA5DEF0:01CA785F] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_407f065f-ff95-43b3-b533-5ff88f3d40e4_" Subject: RE: LF: Re: [137kHz] "Y" and "AGC" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_407f065f-ff95-43b3-b533-5ff88f3d40e4_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Also in E China but long haul but condx still not good as seen from here.= DCF39 sitting at S3 and Budapest up to S7. =20 Thanks for the signals - the internet has been dodgy over the past 24 hour= s so snapper uploads have been suffering =20 73 =20 Laurence KL 1 X in BY 3A=20 =20 =20 Snappers http://kl1x.com/screen.html Alaska (500Khz) http://kl1x.com/screen2.html China, temp antennae swinging in the smog =20 subject to availbility and other uses. =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 > From: rn3agc@mail.ru > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:03:10 +0000 > Subject: LF: Re: [137kHz] "Y" and "AGC" >=20 > Many thanks, Jean-Pierre! >=20 > 73 Andrey >=20 > > Hi LF > > good copy now of RA3YO and RN3AGC now ! > > see on the grabber . > > 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj > > >=20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/videos-tours.aspx?h=3D7sec&slid= eid=3D1&media=3Daero-shake-7second&listid=3D1&stop=3D1&ocid=3DPID24727::T:= WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_7secdemo:122009=3D --_407f065f-ff95-43b3-b533-5ff88f3d40e4_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Also in E China but long haul but condx still not good as seen= from here. DCF39 sitting at S3 and Budapest up to S7.
 
Thanks for the signals - the internet has been dodgy over the past 24 hour= s so snapper uploads have been suffering
 
73
 
Laurence KL 1 X in BY 3A 
 
 
Snappers
http://kl1x.com/screen.html&nb= sp; Alaska (500Khz)
http://kl1x.com/screen2.html&= nbsp; China, temp antennae swinging in the smog
 
subject to availbility and other uses.
 
 
 
 

 
> From: rn3agc@mail.ru
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org
> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:03:10 +0000
> Subject: LF:= Re: [137kHz] "Y" and "AGC"
>
> Many thanks, Jean-Pierre!
= >
> 73 Andrey
>
> > Hi LF
> > good copy= now of RA3YO and RN3AGC now !
> > see on the grabber .
>= > 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj
> >
>
=
Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop. Learn more. =3D --_407f065f-ff95-43b3-b533-5ff88f3d40e4_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me01.mx.aol.com (rly-me01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.34]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME061-9954b3677983ab; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 15:52:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME011-9954b3677983ab; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 15:52:42 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOdbr-0007DL-8H for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 20:51:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOdbq-0007DC-RT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 20:51:34 +0000 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.152]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOdbo-0008Lf-F8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 20:51:34 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e21so956390fga.10 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 12:51:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=T40ldAhBAdzTUQBCyGJ2XTjKMyt7i1O4OogBNRbHtZ0=; b=v5DRWS+B5rs7QcIDLGxU8BCLQAWahhoXOQTzDL1pj3So8w8fofNW2/ZSX33qBYoYnn eW3Zg/tkIUHmfl2ddP6giK3NvwB6Ym1nAOCedXobuChQEpkagBJ3pgeH4nL+JYV2HLU+ JbczBYsacQ4x3xACeVAS0089+F3Oizk3sbFPI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vHVoQDLgcVYgAxloL2Nv+QCE/69Amweko78Z2ui46El8M1ywaKHYyRoSpr2IlCTtuh LrMEchRbMz/RpxlOa1SHrXzEIUh4Zfme1nj1xaXzNhn7KAy2Jg+un+lcnRwt5MGh7dD8 Tg14uA4eYvREtxqIQF32dKdfT7E+CIucrWC2M= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.145.133 with SMTP id s5mr1717501hba.49.1261860690126; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 12:51:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <469B391A02A04C259832ED9427C8E689@AGB> References: <20091226.144128.11516.4.cw4ever4@juno.com> <469B391A02A04C259832ED9427C8E689@AGB> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 20:51:29 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beacon & WSPR 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m243.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) You might like to try the JT4A mode available within the WSJT suite. The latest Ver 7.4 has improved JT4 decoding, and we've been using the wide shift JT4G version on the microwave bands over the last year. JT4A is also a four tone MFSK signal, but at a tone spacing / baud rate of 4.375 Hz with a complete transmission taking 48 seconds. It uses the same convolutional coder, interleaving and 50% embedded sync techniqe as WSPR, but the message contents are different. They can consist of two callsigns and a locator, 2 * call + report, or 13 digits of plain text (we use the latter on microwaves as beacon identifiers) So JT4A has almost exactly three times the bandwidth of WSPR, and with identical FEC the resulting sensitivity 'ought' to be about 5dB worse, but the faster message time may have the advantage. There is one pratical matter you need to watch out for. WSPR uses a 11025Hz sampling rate, and as we've all discovered this value is often out on later PCs, and can destroy decoding even of strong signals (see December's RadCom). WSJT.EXE does have its own calibration facility built in and sampling rate errors can be corrected in the setup . Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2009/12/26 Graham : > Ok Bob > > > > I would think (based on past experience) that =A0it =A0would of =A0been= =A0better to > go the =A0other =A0way =A0with a shorter tx pulse containing =A0all the= =A0data as the > 30 =A0second =A0in and =A0120 second =A0out =A0qsb times are not idea fo= r =A0wspr at the > best of =A0times ? > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb12.mx.aol.com (rly-mb12.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.170]) by air-mb03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB031-d414b22b14331b; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:53:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB125-d414b22b14331b; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:53:24 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJCTd-0001u0-O3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:52:37 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJCTd-0001tr-3k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:52:37 +0000 Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca ([24.222.0.30] helo=mta02.eastlink.ca) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJCTa-00035e-2f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:52:37 +0000 MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip06.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.84]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009)) with ESMTP id <0KUI00CWB9ZIHI10@mta02.eastlink.ca> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:52:30 -0400 (AST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj4QADZAIksYWeG5/2dsb2JhbACBRYJPhWq7foIECI4ACoEldB4IgRBSBIFj X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,384,1257134400"; d="scan'208";a="543258130" Received: from blk-89-225-185.eastlink.ca (HELO backup) ([24.89.225.185]) by ip06.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:56:41 -0400 Message-id: <991815BD8596474C8C29B80B3E0936E3@backup> From: Vernon To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <88EEC52E6C874CCEB966804D073A3376@White> <4B221D77.23434.434B0D@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <1260545211.2370.107.camel@gerhard-desktop> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:52:29 +0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed; reply-type=original Subject: Re: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Gerhard please turn off your requested response feature in your email... Many thanks... Vernon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerhard Hickl" To: Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 3:26 PM Subject: Re: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes > Hello folks! > > I was one of the "bad boys" transmitting yesterday night in the > "waterhole"...The purpose were some test with the antenna where I rely > on grabbers. > > But of course, I didn't choose my qrg by chance or to interfere with > somebody else. No, rather the reasoning is what Mike writes in his post > below. > > Some of the grabbers even don't have a window around 700 but only show > the "waterhole". I also know, that people who run grabbers can't be > blamed for not offering this opportunity. > > I'm not aware if offering such a 2nd window is a lot of work or if it is > just "done by software". Anyways, I would appreciate such an > alternative. > > Cheers es 73 > > OE3GHB > > Gerhard > > > > > Am Freitag, den 11.12.2009, 10:22 +0000 schrieb Mike Dennison: >> Markus is absolutely right. This should reduce QRM for those >> monitoring for DX, and improve the chance of two-way DX QSOs. >> However, I think many stations have recently used the upper slot >> because most grabbers are set for this area (except Markus's own >> excellent system). Is it possible for more grabbers to be dual >> frequency? >> >> Mke, G3XDV >> ========== >> >> >> On 11 Dec 2009 at 9:38, Markus Vester wrote: >> >> > Dear LF, >> > >> > the passage should have said: >> > >> > Taking into account the path of mutual darkness, this would mean that >> > all stations should transmit in the UPPER band during their evenings >> > until local midnight, and then QSY to the lower band for the rest of >> > the night. >> > >> > Sorry for the confusion. >> > >> > 73, Markus >> > >> > >> > From: Markus Vester >> > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 12:14 AM >> > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> > Subject: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes >> > >> > >> > Dear LF group, >> > >> > recently we find the "transatlantic waterhole" around 137.777 kHz >> > quite busy. Several Europeans have started beaconing within this >> > segment. And there has been some fast (QRSS3 or 10) activity, with >> > wide traces covering up possible transatlantic DX signalling >> > frequencies. >> > >> > During the last years, we have attempted to split the frequency bands >> > for both directions of transatlantic work. Traditional segments were >> > around 137.777 kHz west-to-east (for Americans transmitting towards >> > Eu), and around 136.320 kHz east-west (for Eu to stateside). Slow >> > modes (QRSS or DFCW, 60 second and longer) were used almost >> > exclusively there, and several stations were able to successfully >> > cross the pond in either direction. >> > >> > The situation has become a little more intricate as more stations from >> > other parts of the world (eg. Asia, China, Japan) are joining the game >> > with sensitive receivers and good signals. But I still think it would >> > be helpful to separate RX and TX bands within each area as much as >> > possible. >> > >> > My suggestion would be to stick with the east-west versus west-east >> > allocation of the two slots. Taking into account the path of mutual >> > darkness, this would mean that all stations should transmit in the >> > lower band during their evenings until local midnight, and then QSY to >> > the lower band for the rest of the night. Receiver settings would of >> > course be vice versa. >> > >> > I'm aware that this scheme cannot be perfect and universal. It won't >> > cover North-South hauls, and would not protect signals during early or >> > late openings. But it's simple enough, and I believe it would still be >> > very useful. Please don't get me wrong - I do not want to discourage >> > anyone from putting out a signal, and certainly reject the notion of >> > anything reminiscent of a "band police". I just think a little >> > coordination may help all of us to be successful on this challenging >> > and fascinating band. >> > >> > Let me have your thoughts... >> > >> > 73 de Markus, DF6NM >> > >> > http://freenet-homepage.de/df6nm/Grabber.htm >> > >> >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da09.mx.aol.com (rly-da09.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.83]) by air-da05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA051-a8e4b16fb9e1c5; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:43:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA096-a8e4b16fb9e1c5; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:43:28 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFypk-0008IF-1r for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:42:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFypj-0008I6-F5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:42:07 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFypi-0001KI-Hk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:42:07 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so727288bwz.4 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:42:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=I4NUiK6BuqY/ULIprU9IaaSqasGfE+UM5WaAwscb/Fo=; b=SRRCZyIirWYPWEE6v0rXmlj/YARhaUfIrFAOhbrPrs93DZN4SwEn0c9SnpFyC3qSZL 4axkpv+D5Hw6xt0xzq7hrYyJHeMyTkBIFic5WX16Q+rsdaISAI3TJOSzMzhRA14hB01G VROV526zx9c6mTRbQJ+WOHenKXrtSNYQU1JMg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=Lq6aIYLB3pyyeclFRmyTPIoPsAlWGWnvqEPBRN+2W2MfOvEFQ+2t2Lvp2J1l5ViB3T f0N6fv/ow8+8tIIIxGH4aPvmNB+jdyJST9xg+3MwBF/E1uF5QwF8sm+iJdx8zSVjdeOW xcz3Hj8silQ6yI0kIYlW6yEQfcDmcLJXcs6kA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.26.206 with SMTP id f14mr836048bkc.95.1259797319840; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:41:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 23:41:59 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2640912021541j365bc6e8m2151c480ff82addb@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: WSPRing overnight (500kHz) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555441abcf5960479c76bb1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d270.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555441abcf5960479c76bb1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My ~1mW ERP 500kHz WSPR beacon is running through the night and any DX reports would be much appreciated, as always. 73s Roger G3XBM -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555441abcf5960479c76bb1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My ~1mW ERP 500kHz WSPR beacon is running through the night and any DX rep= orts would be much appreciated, as always.

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--00032555441abcf5960479c76bb1-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (rly-dc03.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.32]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC082-b0e4b1d4e5d29a; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:50:14 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC032-b0e4b1d4e5d29a; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:50:07 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHidg-0003CH-Le for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:48:52 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHidg-0003C8-3p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:48:52 +0000 Received: from smtp03.online.nl ([194.134.41.33]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHide-0001MD-78 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:48:52 +0000 Received: from smtp03.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp03.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B651C681F9 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:48:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp03.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:48:49 +0100 (CET) From: To: Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:48:49 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <1260202597.4b1d2a65f3b5c@imp.netikka.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp03.online.nl) X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: RE: Broadcast audio splatter on 136kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Paul, same situation here,also on a passive T ant and tunable bandfilter with different receivers,not very strong.. 73 Victor PA3FNY -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Paul-Henrik Verzonden: maandag 7 december 2009 17:17 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: Broadcast audio splatter on 136kHz LF Does anybody else on the reflector suffer from BC-splatter on 136kHz? It has been a regular occurance here lately after dark. After some identification work I have a match on the running programmes on 171 and 225kHz, 225kHz being the stronger. I blamed my RX chain at first and started to eliminate IMD possibilities but even now using a passive antenna and a very sharp bandpass filter (much like an IF-filter for a valve BC-set) I still have the BC splatter. So far I have not been able to determine the carrier frequency of this "phantom station" but it must be close to the carrier of Lakihegy. Using AM detection with a narrow filter it seems centered around 135.4kHz. Sounds like two BC-stations on top of eachother and the USB reaches up in the amateur band making "ghost whispers". Luxembourg effect, transmitter IMD or just me missing the point? The bandpass filter is very effective and there are only weak traces of signals above 150kHz. BR Paul-Henrik, OH1LSQ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (rly-dd03.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.150]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD024-b694b201c57204; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:53:44 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD033-b694b201c57204; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:53:29 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIUSS-0005A9-0F for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:52:28 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIUSR-0005A0-GL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:52:27 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s6.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.17]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIUSQ-0003Ww-5M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:52:27 +0000 Received: from BLU146-DS6 ([65.55.116.8]) by blu0-omc1-s6.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:52:18 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [117.12.234.152] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: To: Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 21:52:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2009 21:52:18.0631 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0CF5D70:01CA7919] X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: DDH47 147.3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009B_01CA7919.E05C2940" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,NO_REAL_NAME, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_009B_01CA7919.E05C2940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In pre test viewing from the DDH47 signal is good and decoding weathe= r at 50 baud 23Hz Shift "reverse" on the DigitalMaster 780 portion of= Ham radio delux. 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------=_NextPart_000_009B_01CA7919.E05C2940-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md03.mx.aol.com (rly-md03.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.141]) by air-md03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD031-8f24b1fa2473c3; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:12:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD032-8f24b1fa2473c3; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:12:41 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIMKN-0001EW-Qn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:11:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIMKN-0001EN-Eq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:11:35 +0000 Received: from web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.124]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIMKN-0002oX-Ba for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:11:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 65866 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Dec 2009 13:11:29 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1260364289; bh=nexV1C5FxKPBUB1UhtvpKS0wlc3YnPA8vUILJjAVro0=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yy6jaAbITxGdhfcBpEelLnKaup58MckN+hSXT+FCTcJoT7C5rcPZgMUuUJZ8w4qt+X+Bh5ZK9HhBAWHQeRiUhGZU8lF+DX5s5iyjDJlBkVsUuDVuO/aFVOu1SLTiaaU/K3pesmPzPyOUGZpA7EPxBBn6wYszSxpJMJtJetsj2e4= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Nq+pzZnttFCQ+Iywfpae7licNIcuToRHu1XIjbQLmLOgBNgdNM7BFWQh/BT3kZwNDGTJfQFzPTSK8EH2OT6qdM/6y6UP9S6eZrheDWn1PztThkCnrREXFUQh+StZ/sVBxZOhfOk5LjRCDWGp7HwVWznbus4h3r4jPPnLWpkPMmk=; Message-ID: <539393.64347.qm@web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: RCZpzZ0VM1nbKOFFxMxGjYAO4jjkAGHdtOrAD8FM2dcw.BU3.pJ._DkbR_vgGJeI5camGnqnUi9LHlu_QFooHF5cCdSN09LX.DkwIb08j3KDDX7jiS3stuub_RAJxiPMP6bFA7KUWX6we76Npwpmr4m9f6.UUs8K3VvvRmFtmmYt5dVoQ8kg1xxSZWGVEXHAOffdCblsQiL1HrpDL5u7rMgoJkOVIVVLKKgywY7BKVplfIYYgaELrt0CHZNuzbunGOPUlqe4RYu_.eJzjP2O Received: from [86.152.84.183] by web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 05:11:29 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 05:11:29 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4B1F9C43.2050204@telia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: SAQ Testing Now Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1182653786-1260364289=:64347" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m201.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-1182653786-1260364289=:64347 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maybe too late but nothing heard hear IO91UX Hitchin Herts UK. ..... Four= Alpha stations loud and clear a bit further down the band though..... Con= ditions have improved ! =A0 73 Petefmt =A0 --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Johan H. Bodin wrote: From: Johan H. Bodin Subject: Re: LF: SAQ Testing Now To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 12:46 Still testing at 1247 UTC Johan SM6LKM Lee Hudson wrote: > 17.2kHz >=A0=20 > Lee. > M0LMH. =20 --0-1182653786-1260364289=:64347 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Maybe too late but nothing heard hear= IO91UX Hitchin Herts UK. ..... Four Alpha stations loud and clear a bit= further down the band though..... Conditions have improved !
 
73 Petefmt
 


--- On Wed, 9/12/09, Johan H. Bodin <jh.bodin@telia.= com> wrote:

From: Johan H. Bodin <jh.bodin@telia.com>= ;
Subject: Re: LF: SAQ Testing Now
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<= BR>Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 12:46

Still testing at 1247 UTC
Johan SM6LKM

Le= e Hudson wrote:
> 17.2kHz
> 
> Lee.
> M0LMH.=


=20 --0-1182653786-1260364289=:64347-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df01.mx.aol.com (rly-df01.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.14]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF011-52a4b1e77302e1; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:56:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF017-52a4b1e77302e1; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:56:34 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NI2Op-00066O-3w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:54:51 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NI2Oo-00066F-3z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:54:50 +0000 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NI2Om-0000GV-8Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:54:50 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwEACsFHktZ8eyJ/2dsb2JhbACOFQbLFIQyBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,362,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="305701732" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.241.236.137]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 08 Dec 2009 15:54:23 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01ca781e$b5393e20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 15:54:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: LA3EQ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA781E.B4C21250" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA781E.B4C21250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi OM Calling u on 502.6 kcs. Good signal ere at IO94SH/Scarborough de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA781E.B4C21250 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi OM
Calling u on 502.6 kcs. Good signal= ere at=20 IO94SH/Scarborough
de mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA781E.B4C21250-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db02.mx.aol.com (rly-db02.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.77]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB011-aaf4b29e7722c1; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 03:10:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB025-aaf4b29e7722c1; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 03:10:28 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLBNF-0000EL-BQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:06:13 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLBNE-0000EB-Vl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:06:13 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.33]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLBPt-0001mk-VM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:09:00 +0000 Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl (dovemail9.xs4all.nl [194.109.26.11]) by smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBH88qeE007671 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:08:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Received: from 82.92.124.189 (SquirrelMail authenticated user pa0rdt) by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:08:57 +0100 Message-ID: <346854e9698cbf94f4483c66682bb63b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:08:57 +0100 From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.18 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Andy, Have you tried to mount it on a four metre high non metallic pole? It probably is still inside the noise field of the building, which drops off within a few metres. 73, Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma08.mx.aol.com (rly-ma08.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.52]) by air-ma02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA022-8c44b201da23; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:59:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA086-8c44b201da23; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:59:01 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIUXe-0005JF-C8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:57:50 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIUXd-0005J6-Uq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:57:49 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIUXc-0003Zw-9v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:57:49 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EFFB51C001 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 22:57:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10F33F3862 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 22:57:33 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 5C5AA18056; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 22:57:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from 41.96-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (41.96-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [87.64.96.41]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:57:32 +0100 Message-ID: <20091209225732.ahi8ld8y04g8oo8o@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:57:32 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <57a24ca70912091153iaa6a489ia1a35bc98f56233a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 87.64.96.41 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 507.77 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Joe, good copy at 21:50 UTC I will send you the message I copied direct as I won't spoil the fun for others. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting "jcraig@mun.ca" : > VX9MRC is sending a 'ceremonial' transmission until 2300 and again > at 0100 following the DDH47 transmissions on 147.3 kHz. Reports most > welcomed! > > 73 > Joe VO1NA > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (rly-dc01.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.30]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC061-b024b1ad0ab1ac; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 16:29:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC016-b024b1ad0ab1ac; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 16:29:17 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NH2At-00083S-IV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 21:28:19 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NH2At-00083J-4s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 21:28:19 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.128]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NH2Ar-0006to-DX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 21:28:19 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3416.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 153BF1C00090 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 22:28:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3416.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id F33121C00094 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 22:28:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.22.55]) by mwinf3416.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 6A85A1C00090 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 22:28:09 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20091205212809436.6A85A1C00090@mwinf3416.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <750DE0F5F3A843FEB87C73905C2B1019@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <59DC6AF25071476FA37B42E3896BC627@radiorummet><00aa01ca7548$de12ce70$0201a8c0@Clemens04><9AF4BA15A6D94C3483BB006F4E38040B@radiorummet><001a01ca758f$b9fba3d0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> <20091205214737.ab07d9ds00s44sso@webmail6.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20091205214737.ab07d9ds00s44sso@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 21:28:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz RTTY Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=LINES_OF_YELLING, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ok Rik , Thanks for the report , Yes I did notice ,'Dotty Boy' had jumped frequency at one time I thought the vfo was rusted solid, mid band , a wise choice to prevent out of band tx when it jumps and splashes about ? May be a little bit of history as well .. two rtty qso's on 500 at the same time G3XIZ / G7NKS G4WGT / G0NBD 73 -G.. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rik Strobbe" Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 8:47 PM To: Subject: LF: 500kHz RTTY > > Gary, Grahem, > > I followed your RTTY QSO (+/- 20:40 UTC) with almost perfect copy from > both station. > Even after a CW station started calling CQ about 200Hz up copy was > still good. RTTY 45dB/85Hz seems quite robust. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (rly-ma07.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.51]) by air-ma05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA054-8b84b1eced934; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:10:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA072-8b84b1eced934; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:10:35 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NI8FK-00077V-LN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:09:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NI8FK-00077M-8I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:09:26 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NI8FJ-00079I-Dw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:09:26 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E5D74C809B for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:09:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C0CC4C8177 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:09:19 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B1ECE8E.1040701@online.fr> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:09:18 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: [137kHz] "Y" and "AGC" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi LF good copy now of RA3YO and RN3AGC now ! see on the grabber . 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (rly-mf04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.174]) by air-mf02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF024-95a4b22498b2c8; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:30:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF048-95a4b22498b2c8; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:30:53 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ5ZJ-0007GP-Jo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:30:01 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ5ZJ-0007GG-3q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:30:01 +0000 Received: from smtpa1.mediabeam.com ([194.25.41.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ5ZH-0008Tm-HV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:30:01 +0000 Received: from r300-1 (balancer4.mediabeam.com [194.25.41.40]) by smtpa1.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nBBDTrV3008943 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:29:53 +0100 From: "Uwe Jannsen" To: Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:29:50 Message-ID: <14D807D90C0B0D1D3365@kabelmail.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-PRIORITY: 3 X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,INVALID_DATE=1.76 Subject: LF: QRH Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi all, I guess the window of the shack has been opened. pse see: http://dj8wx-dl.de/capt211 regards Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.140]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC022-a8d44b3c691e3da; 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31 Dec 2009 09:02:58 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01ca89f8$0dcbdf80$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4B3C344D.1030509@infoserve.net> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 09:03:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: LF: Re: WE2XGR/6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408c4b3c691d1c48 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Bob You are doing well in both directions E/W 73 es HNY de Mal/G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gibbs" To: Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 5:19 AM Subject: LF: WE2XGR/6 > WE2XGR/6 Aural copy into CN89LA 310458utc > 73 John / VE7BDQ > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd10.mx.aol.com (rly-dd10.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.157]) by air-dd06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD062-b9f4b31226c287; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:48:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD101-b9f4b31226c287; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:47:58 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNAaz-0007JB-LS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:40:37 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNAaz-0007J2-3L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:40:37 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNAgk-000683-WD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:46:37 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 22 Dec 2009 19:46:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO Uwe) [188.194.84.187] by mail.gmx.net (mp006) with SMTP; 22 Dec 2009 20:46:03 +0100 X-Authenticated: #9373712 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19EKYF2VoJE/TUmNBKoNS62TSv0GkdB/a8kUH+ZXt Fg/ccJ0r1KQptX Message-ID: <6372ACCF87F74230B9DB745D4422B260@Uwe> From: "Uwe Wensauer" To: References: <1552584960@web.de> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:46:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.59 X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: LF: =?iso-8859-15?Q?Re:_An_DK1KQ:_500_kHz_f=FCr_den_Funkamateur_SDR?= Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hallo Horst, verstehe nicht ganz was Du meinst. Ich vermute einmal, dass Du suchst "IQ-SDR-Minimalsystem auch fr Langwelle nutzen" FA 7/07 Seite 735-736 Hierfr htte ich auch noch eine Leiterplatte. Frohe Weihnachten 73 Uwe, DK1KQ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Horst Stcker" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 7:14 PM Subject: LF: An DK1KQ: 500 kHz fr den Funkamateur SDR Hallo Uwe, die in Deinem Buch genannte eMail-Adresse scheint nicht mehr zu stimme, daher nun auf diesem Wege: In welchem Heft war Dein Artikel ?? Schne Feiertage Horst DO1KHS ______________________________________________________ GRATIS fr alle WEB.DE-Nutzer: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://movieflat.web.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (rly-mf04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.174]) by air-mf06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF061-9544b193432353; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:09:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF042-9544b193432353; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:09:25 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGahg-0007i0-5u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:08:20 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGahf-0007hr-4j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:08:19 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGahd-0006a2-7o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:08:19 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgMKAHPCGEtcHB1d/2dsb2JhbACCJCyIeYJWBr0pi3uEMwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,342,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="136898467" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([92.28.29.93]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Dec 2009 16:08:08 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01ca74fb$f884b360$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 16:08:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Whi is MCP? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA74FB.F84B7AF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA74FB.F84B7AF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris All the action every nite is around 137.7 on QRS 3 normally also DFCW= and some CW further down the band. Several stns active most nites, lately HB9, OE, OH, EW6, SP and RU et= c=20 If u want a QSO look in this area. I am also active especially if ther= e is DX about. mal/g3lev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chris=20 To: RSGB LF Group=20 Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:04 PM Subject: LF: Whi is MCP? Hi All, Can anyone tell me who was sending MCP on approx. 136.518kHz this mo= rning? Thanks. Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA74FB.F84B7AF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Chris
All the action every nite is around= 137.7 on QRS 3=20 normally also DFCW and some CW further down the band.
Several stns active most nites, latel= y HB9, OE, OH,=20  EW6, SP and RU etc
If u want a QSO look in this area. I= am also active=20 especially if there is DX about.
mal/g3lev
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Chris
Sent: Friday, December 04, 20= 09 2:04=20 PM
Subject: LF: Whi is MCP?

Hi All,
Can anyone tell me who was sending= MCP on approx.=20 136.518kHz this morning? Thanks.
Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable,=20 Kent.
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA74FB.F84B7AF0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de10.mx.aol.com (rly-de10.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.146]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE023-50b4b1e1c72363; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 04:29:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE106-50b4b1e1c72363; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 04:29:24 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHwMV-0005FK-BQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:28:03 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHwMU-0005FB-R4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:28:02 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHwMS-0005wm-Tn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:28:02 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.4]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091208092755.NQGR27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:27:55 +0000 Received: from [81.109.251.184] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHwMN-00059R-DD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:27:55 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:27:55 -0000 Message-ID: <003501ca77e8$b926db90$0317aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acp36LjyH9MKxSGNQ1CmwxBgGmbM9g== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1ggfb5FlKZQUfF3vzm9UBYZ2uTfLsbs/8dSljwg5+mE= c=1 sm=0 a=48Ehxe3m_MIA:10 a=DAY5hrtWD0GEsBp7W2wA:9 a=TxbchSdUGkeBGFZpz3ckyzRW9RgA:4 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=1Ds_vOqJDd_cpV-kGwsA:9 a=uttd_BlYdd2mf9r-AvoA:7 a=qlk4fAdkOH4Xw0w0pQfA5tB7MiEA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: G7NKS RTTY beacon running on 501.5. 1 : 10 min cycles Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01CA77E8.B926DB90" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CA77E8.B926DB90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear LF G7NKs is running a RTTY beacon on 501.5 Rprts welcome With best regards Jim ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CA77E8.B926DB90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear LF

 

G7NKs is running a RTTY beacon on 501.5=

 

Rprts welcome<= /p>

 

With best regards=

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CA77E8.B926DB90-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.75]) by air-di01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI013-eab84b367cb2106; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 16:14:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CE9F5380000FD; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 16:14:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOdxA-0007RB-US for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 21:13:36 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOdxA-0007R2-HS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 21:13:36 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOdx9-0006II-G4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 21:13:36 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.3]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091226211330.YMQJ17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 21:13:30 +0000 Received: from [86.27.92.51] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOdx3-0005n2-TI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 21:13:30 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <005301ca8657$3db3a2e0$0217aac0@desktop> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 21:13:29 -0000 Message-ID: <007b01ca8670$45893700$0217aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcqGVz1WP3WEL9GdRiS6IQTVXjO5FwAGPI+w In-Reply-To: <005301ca8657$3db3a2e0$0217aac0@desktop> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=LoVkp7eiav4GcXDOuKsA:9 a=_6zp-7RMnLrfD3CGtlD4CTnC1GgA:4 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=g7MYr8VOB0IEGcljHpMA:9 a=6RzKnwsJy-YQvF4zyscA:7 a=pJBBm1nVtE5X8FOVaGvkgVbJxgsA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: G7NKS running WSPR on 137.65 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007C_01CA8670.45893700" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604b4b367cb129ca X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_007C_01CA8670.45893700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wspr 137 now qrt and back on 500 ------=_NextPart_000_007C_01CA8670.45893700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_007C_01CA8670.45893700-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me10.mx.aol.com (rly-me10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.44]) by air-me09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME093-9de4b373b9b13d; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 05:49:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME102-9de4b373b9b13d; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 05:49:01 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOqfO-0001mH-CE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:48:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOqfN-0001m8-VA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:48:05 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOqfL-0008Q5-93 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:48:05 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBRAm0ai013297 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 11:48:00 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 11:48:00 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 11:48:04 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AD04@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <20091226232910.zvm80doogowog4sg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Thread-Index: AcqGe2cNhrkb1ogsQkmevQLiQtsjjgAZMrfg From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.647;26.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.27.104217 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Rik es tnx for your answer. In the first QSOs from /p I used the TX antenna. I quickly saw that SNR is= much better with a 6dB attenuator. In the last activity I even used 20dB.= But the SNR of the small active antenna is definitely better. Perhaps it= is a good idea to try even more attenuation, tnx, I will try that! On my QTH at my parents (2003/2004) I also used the TX antenna but it was= much smaller. This antenna was more suitable for RX although the actual= QTH is apart from any house in a region of some 100s meters... 73, Stefan -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe Gesendet: Samstag, 26. Dezember 2009 23:29 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Hello Stefan, why not use the "big" TX antenna also for RX. With a sufficient =20 atenuator of course. On 137kHz I alway used my TX antenna for RX, but a 40dB attenuator was =20 required to avoid overload at the RX. 73, Rik ON7YD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (rly-dc04.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.33]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC043-b1c4b22d59a275; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:28:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC048-b1c4b22d59a275; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:28:28 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJEtB-0003En-5T for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:27:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJEtA-0003Ee-K5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:27:08 +0000 Received: from web86507.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.132]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJEtA-00043E-07 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:27:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 88019 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Dec 2009 23:27:02 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1260574022; bh=0EyIXbRQdBNZOguTsfl6pqRujDAuBSa6Axocf15Lxhw=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zZQ0nZIuJ/2b/8SyvZci+U527xbuUC3V2/hBlSh4Nr0bedptdOliBfzEq9tEjMkT6sWIdAJRDu3OlwYRNaTi0aXgbWPrF+ErQYV8l7hUKrK+8gk/CMd8+woV1C1Joot6RB0vow2lFoTygRb9RsUNAXuHuGohYia3nwKh61nJHCU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yIMVMsHSQbDELD8lHJDg14a86MYaQ/tzWeITw86dvBj1TAiFq21pMFkEa163uMYZ5e8An9ugVwomwLO6AHzYH2yz6GOu5YRrrq1axJi8w6NX+QmZp74UHxVCYkwQexVZgyrQyc6Tp5koIGRTMSLx3pn9u0/VGIECYrRI9I8w9Mw=; Message-ID: <326421.87806.qm@web86507.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: PJimoPYVM1k_b6kCvDob530ZayeywfQakbwgFpLmBogRGg2ydX89U7Ec4iHhkxeRox0i_bA03JiBhhi0GmKLhY9dLnIka.RHSae4v0tj1kJCgIvb2JMQWRBtT0DA2JVWSaiRcK_z6r.VSe_JERciUzU4ov4WfEXYMXNRR5LBKUsnWrr1ygnAHC8CLbQ.7MMdoWgM4xfPHle3iR9MD0rR1Nfzm1BIXgMAKNw4d9oxEmMCvAfPpUXSS070j1Q1ZMMVA6fFq0hDjLab4hFaZ0JIgQSNm7Wcccrs Received: from [213.122.20.167] by web86507.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:27:02 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:27:02 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4B22CC94.8020404@online.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m218.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass Hi all, I think Markus idea is a good start but we have always made it the= case that we do not have hard and fast rules on LF because the frequency= of operation epends so much on local conditions and it is no good anyone= laying down a marker that suits his location but doesnt fit with others. As I said Markus comment is a good guide. However......... Gerhard raise= s the point of using grabbers in your own continent for tests. This is goo= d and usefull to do....I have done it myself. All that you require is to= think about the long distance propagation and time your tests appropriate= ly. For instance US and Canadian stations will not really start to appear= until about their ground sunset (well ok, on very good days maybe a littl= e before that) So you could safely do "local" (same continent) tests betwe= en your sunset and the East Coast US sunset time. They probably wont take= too long and then it is unlikely you will interfere with anyone trying.= For a TA contact. Of course you "could" do the test in daytime!! This wou= ld actually be more reliable, particularly at present, when the daytime pa= ths are very consistant. You obviously need a grabber in daytime range. Th= e old geoclock is an invaluable guide though I am sure there are other now= . Just remember you are very strong at night in your own continent, and try= to stay out of the immediate areas where DX signal may be coming in. We are hardly wall to wall QRM on LF and MF yet so enjoy it. Alan G3NYK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (rly-dc01.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.30]) by air-dc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC072-b004b1edb8f354; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:04:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC014-b004b1edb8f354; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:04:49 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NI95j-0007I2-QK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:03:35 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NI95j-0007Ht-4g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:03:35 +0000 Received: from mx38.mail.ru ([94.100.176.52]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NI95g-0003FU-Rf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:03:35 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=53562 helo=EFREMOV) by mx38.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NI95b-000LKX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 02:03:27 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <001901ca785a$a2509420$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: References: <4B1ECE8E.1040701@online.fr> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:03:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: [137kHz] "Y" and "AGC" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Many thanks, Jean-Pierre! 73 Andrey > Hi LF > good copy now of RA3YO and RN3AGC now ! > see on the grabber . > 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md09.mx.aol.com (rly-md09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.147]) by air-md08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD081-9284b2d5a99323; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:58:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD098-9284b2d5a99323; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:58:35 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NM8Ab-0003mV-EZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:53:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NM8Aa-0003mM-T2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:53:04 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NM8E1-0004mc-IG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:56:40 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so2960423bwz.4 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 14:57:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=JiM+In+1dzJNln4Po8bXqgYI8GV8q6cipjLQmTfws88=; b=Q676Phrnd1TnoND7GpvfGPltAFaZHRJbGuGvfgaGpsB/D9himCQqUZGPEu0eCndbJu wyprAR2WiZ6C+agOrO9PHg4OzZVIkPJpM+HZLzt9Rr90F/zqYBG3I452n7BhPdhxr5JB l0QbIGny59XhBR77RlWgvIyafLVZpysi5v0C4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=dT5oJuDQWAl8+o+oD5orO1LcDHKPQ3xLY93W1VpWl5H2VwxNScAJ1Gf9ViFXsVTliP uWp6FlQ1Y0JkeCiHkIVAiboOQNEU3UMTjUMgtRISA1Cx/uHLHCTr3SjT+41/iBUDNFDj 4ZhI6PqC7qIxzcMxSrVbJhBAgzXsuEX9dWIRE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.5.66 with SMTP id 2mr3528888bku.198.1261263434740; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 14:57:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <002801ca80dc$639db200$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <002801ca80dc$639db200$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:57:14 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2640912191457x6b4d14bfp72686fa3f00c386@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: HOT 500 RX Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151758a4c4fef60f047b1cc667 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m270.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00151758a4c4fef60f047b1cc667 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Looks a very nice receiver Mal. My only experience of the Eddystone brand was an EC10 many years ago. This one looks rather better! 73s Roger G3XBM 2009/12/19 mal hamilton > Using a marine RX Haghenuk EE 430 at present 10 kcs - 30 mcs. Hot RX on > 500 kcs > de G3KEV > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00151758a4c4fef60f047b1cc667 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looks a very nice receiver Mal. My only experience of the Eddystone brand= was an EC10 many years ago. This one looks rather better!

73s
= Roger G3XBM

2009/12/19 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talkta= lk.net>
=A0=A0Using a marine RX Haghenuk EE= 430 at=20 present 10 kcs - 30 mcs. Hot RX on 500 kcs
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--00151758a4c4fef60f047b1cc667-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md09.mx.aol.com (rly-md09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.147]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD054-9274b25274919c; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 12:41:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD097-9274b25274919c; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 12:41:31 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJsQB-0006ru-Pe for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:39:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJsQB-0006rl-Dp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:39:51 +0000 Received: from mailout04.t-online.de ([194.25.134.18]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJsQh-0005LZ-M7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:40:25 +0000 Received: from fwd09.aul.t-online.de by mailout04.t-online.de with smtp id 1NJsQI-0002vk-04; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:39:58 +0100 Received: from e7010 (bRCf4eZAZhL1iko0DdK2rxvxsP4T7fGY8PRcMgz8jPaZD2y7LxvDDWdnmviz2zTwQ3@[84.147.223.140]) by fwd09.aul.t-online.de with smtp id 1NJsQG-0Wo2lc0; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:39:56 +0100 Message-ID: <002c01ca7c1b$48b827b0$6402a8c0@e7010> From: "Walter und Marianne Staubach" To: Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:39:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-ID: bRCf4eZAZhL1iko0DdK2rxvxsP4T7fGY8PRcMgz8jPaZD2y7LxvDDWdnmviz2zTwQ3 X-TOI-MSGID: db3518a7-360d-48c2-8c33-e87de375f463 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: DI2AG QRO QRSS3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01CA7C23.A86D5EC0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01CA7C23.A86D5EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear MF, DI2AG is now transmitting in QRSS3 with more power - 2W ERP= instead of 0.4W ERP. Please your reports via wum.staubach@t-online.de= or dj2lf@darc.de=20 The machine will run until tomorrow 7UTC - if she does the job. Thanks and 73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01CA7C23.A86D5EC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear MF,
      &= nbsp; DI2AG is=20 now transmitting in  QRSS3 with more power - 2W ERP instead of 0.= 4W ERP.=20 Please your reports via w= um.staubach@t-online.de or dj2lf= @darc.de
The machine will run until tomorrow= 7UTC - if she=20 does the job.
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------=_NextPart_000_0029_01CA7C23.A86D5EC0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg12.mx.aol.com (rly-dg12.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.96]) by air-dg01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG014-60e4b2500c0e1; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:57:22 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG125-60e4b2500c0e1; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:57:06 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJpq6-0003l3-Vm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:54:26 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJpq5-0003ku-WD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:54:26 +0000 Received: from smtp6.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.192]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJpqe-0003JU-8a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:55:02 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3624.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8E88C700008B for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:54:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3624.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 826F8700008E for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:54:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.84.87]) by mwinf3624.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id BE968700008B for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:54:51 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20091213145451780.BE968700008B@mwinf3624.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <6E7638745A1B43168C402CDBB010C2A7@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> <241919.87622.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9afca2640912130305r3acb5e5fs991caaa1115d2255@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9afca2640912130305r3acb5e5fs991caaa1115d2255@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:54:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<< Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01CA7C04.38F20920" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01CA7C04.38F20920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roger, Either way the cct is nice way into 500 from hf , I have seen a= board marketed (possibly from Germany) that makes a stand-alone = xtal oscillator temperature controlled by simply bonding the heate= r board to the xtal can, the board having the heater and temperatu= re controller on it, a bit of polystyrene, one txco ! I think Gary sent me the link a while ago, when he was looking fo= r a stable signal source .... I'm not quite sure which is the more= difficult route ..diy or ex-military .. may be the 'slog factor'= is the same , diy takes a long time coming , while the ex-military= route is fine till it falls over .. then takes a long time mendin= g .. hi I would think the ft817 is quite stable , what is the master oscill= ator frequency, ? it may be over 28 mhz , in which case the drift= may be only fractionally dependant on the change of frequency ..im= my ft897 the mo is running on 67.87 MHz , so a change from 28= to 10 would result in a minimal improvement.=20 G ..=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 11:05 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<< Yes, 10MHz would be a better choice. I used 28MHz as it allowed both= 136 and 500kHz transversion (is that a real word?) from within a sing= le ham band with the same transverter (apart from PA filter) with a ha= m band only TX radio like the FT817. Using a TXCO of course would be= an added aid to stability. The transverter unit was going to be finally boxed yesterday but we ha= ve been "grandson sitting" this weekend as mum and dad are poorly and= now my wife has gone done with the same tummy bug as well! 73s Roger G3XBM 2009/12/10 ALAN MELIA Hi Roger yes you are right of course its the drift within a qso peri= od or even an over that is most important. Very Good. I wonder whether the use of 10MHz as an "IF" would be a possibility?= This would allow readily available TCXOs or even OCXOs to be used for= the LO. I guess the split should be enough to allow your filter/diple= xor to work. It obviously only removes one source of drift, one cant= do much about the 817, but that also should be less at 10MHz? Alan G3NYK --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Roger Lapthorn wrote: > From: Roger Lapthorn > Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<< > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 23:27 > With the transverter "in the > open" (rat's nest) on the desktop there is a > warm-up drift of about 40Hz HF until things settle down. > This has not been an issue with WSPR as the drift in a > single TX slot is only about 1-2Hz usually (WSPR copes with > this) and it soon settles down to 0Hz drift. I have not > tried QRSS but imagine you'd have to ensure the xtal > oscillator is made more thermally stable for v.slow QRSS, > but would guess it would be OK for some moderate QRSS > operation. Putting the whole unit in a box should help. > > > My little circuit works, but is surely capable of much > improvement, HI. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > 2009/12/9 ALAN MELIA > > Sounds good Roger and Graham... > what it the stability like the problem with > transverters/upconverters normally is that while ok for some > modes they are often not stable enough for the very weak > signal modes. These are modes where you need to know the > frequency of a station very accurately because you will not > hear it, or it will only pop above the noise for short > periods. > > > > > Alan G3NYK > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Graham > wrote: > > > > > From: Graham > > > Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter > >>DATA MODES<< > > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > > Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 22:13 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All > > > > > > This latest > > > addition to the > > > HF / MF tx convertor opens the door > > > to data > > > communications on 500 ... ranging from > > > 'all' the K1JT systems > > > through to the single carrier > > > multi tone > > > systems of > > > MFSK , DOMINO and THOR .. even > > > the almost > > > forgotten Amtor-arq and Packtor modes , anyone > > > still have > > > there pk232 > > > > > > listed are > > > data modes that may be used with > > > non-linear systems :- > > > > > > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/meat-grinder-comms > > > > > > G.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Roger > > > Lapthorn > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 12:20 AM > > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > > > > > > > > Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX > > > transverter > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > My WSPR tx up-converter has now been modified to > > > a full TX/RX tranverter suitable for WSPR, QRSS and > > > CW in a > > > very simple way, making use of the FT817 split > > > facility which allows you > > > to RX on 500kHz and TX on 28MHz. By adding a series > LC > > > between the TX PA and the > > > FT817 input/output RF connection (with back-to-back > diodes > > > at the L and C > > > junction, this allows "pass through" from > the > > > 500kHz ATU to the FT817 on RX > > > (tuned to 500kHz). On TX, the diodes conduct and the C > part > > > is in parallel with > > > the first cap in the TX low pass filter. This scheme > is now > > > working really well > > > with good RX sensitivity and no change in TX power > out. > > > > > > Schematic of the > > > transverter is on my blog at http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > > > . My > > > attempt to add it as an attachment to an email here > earlier > > > failed. > > > > > > This more or less concludes my 500kHz experimenting, > apart > > > from > > > getting a few more CW QSOs in the log. It's been > great > > > fun all the way with lots > > > of support from folks here. I was going to try 136kHz, > but > > > think I will now give > > > this a miss for now. > > > > > > 73s > > > Roger G3XBM > > > -- > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > > > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > > > G3XBM > > > GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01CA7C04.38F20920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Roger,
 
Either  way the  cct is nic= e way=20 into  500  from hf , I have  seen a  board markete= d =20 (possibly from Germany) that makes a  stand-alone  xtal=20 oscillator  temperature  controlled by simply bonding the&nb= sp; heater=20 board to the  xtal can, the  board having the  heater= and =20 temperature controller  on it, a bit  of polystyrene,= one =20 txco !
 
I think  Gary  sent me the&= nbsp; link=20 a  while ago, when he was looking  for a  stable signal= source=20 .... I'm not  quite  sure which is the more  difficult= route=20 ..diy or  ex-military .. may be the  'slog factor' is= the =20 same , diy takes a long time coming , while the  ex-military rout= e=20 is fine till it  falls  over .. then takes a = long=20 time  mending  .. hi
 
I would think the  ft817 is quit= e  stable=20 , what is the  master oscillator  frequency, ? it may be ove= r 28 =20 mhz , in which case the  drift may be only fractionally dependant= on=20 the  change  of frequency ..im my  ft897  the = ; mo is=20 running on  67.87 MHz , so a  change  from 28 to = 10 =20 would  result in a  minimal improvement.
 
G ..
 
 

Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >&g= t;DATA=20 MODES<<

Yes, 10MHz would be a better choice. I used 28MHz as it= allowed=20 both 136 and 500kHz transversion (is that a real word?) from within a= single ham=20 band with the same transverter (apart from PA filter) with a ham band= only TX=20 radio like the FT817. Using a TXCO of course would be an added aid to= =20 stability.

The transverter unit was going to be finally boxed= yesterday=20 but we have been "grandson sitting" this weekend as mum and dad are po= orly and=20 now my wife has gone done with the same tummy bug as well!

73s<= BR>Roger=20 G3XBM


2009/12/10 ALAN MELIA <alan.melia@btinternet.com= >
Hi Roger= yes you are right of course its the drift within a=20 qso period or even an over that is most important. Very Good.
I wonder=20 whether the use of 10MHz as an "IF" would be a possibility? This wou= ld allow=20 readily available TCXOs or even OCXOs to be used for the LO. I guess= the split=20 should be enough to allow your filter/diplexor to work. It obviously= only=20 removes one source of drift, one cant do much about the 817, but tha= t also=20 should be less at 10MHz?

Alan G3NYK

--- On Wed, 9/12/0= 9, Roger=20 Lapthorn <rogerlap= thorn@gmail.com>=20 wrote:

> From: Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com>
>=20 Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA=20 MODES<<
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>=20 Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 23:27
> With the transverter "in the
> open" (rat= 's nest) on=20 the desktop there is a
> warm-up drift of about 40Hz HF until= things=20 settle down.
> This has not been an issue with WSPR as the dri= ft in=20 a
> single TX slot is only about 1-2Hz usually (WSPR copes wit= h
>=20 this) and it soon settles down to 0Hz drift. I have not
> trie= d QRSS but=20 imagine you'd have to ensure the xtal
> oscillator is made mor= e=20 thermally stable for v.slow QRSS,
> but would guess it would= be OK for=20 some moderate QRSS
> operation. Putting the whole unit in a bo= x should=20 help.
>
>
> My little circuit works, but is surely= capable=20 of much
> improvement, HI.
>
> 73s
> Roger= =20 G3XBM
>
> 2009/12/9 ALAN MELIA <alan.melia@btinternet.com>
><= BR>>=20 Sounds good Roger and Graham...
> what it the stability like= the problem=20 with
> transverters/upconverters normally is that while ok for= =20 some
> modes they are  often not stable enough for the ve= ry=20 weak
> signal modes. These are modes where you need to know th= e
>=20 frequency of a station very accurately because you will not
>= hear it,=20 or it will only pop above the noise for short
>=20 periods.
>
>
>
>
> Alan=20 G3NYK
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 9/= 12/09,=20 Graham <g8fzk@g8fz= k.fsnet.co.uk>
>=20 wrote:
>
>
>
> > From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk&= gt;
>
>=20 > Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter
> >>= ;DATA=20 MODES<<
>
> > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>
>= ;=20 > Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 22:13
>
>=20 >
>
> >
>
> >
>
>=20 >
>
> >
>
> >
>
>=20 >
>
> > All
>
> >
>
>= > This=20  latest
>
> > addition to  the
>
&= gt; >=20 HF / MF  tx convertor  opens the  door
>
>= ; > to=20  data
>
> > communications  on 500 ... rang= ing=20  from
>
> > 'all'  the K1JT systems
>=
>=20 > through to  the  single carrier
>
> >= multi=20  tone
>
> > systems  of
>
> >= ; MFSK=20  ,  DOMINO and THOR  .. even
>
> > the= =20  almost
>
> > forgotten  Amtor-arq  an= d Packtor=20 modes , anyone
>
> > still  have
>
>= >=20 there pk232
>
> >
>
> > listed=20  are
>
> > data  modes that  may be &n= bsp;used=20 with
>
> > non-linear systems :-
>
>=20 >
>
> >
>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/meat-grinder-com= ms
>
>=20 >
>
> > G..
>
> >
>
>= =20 >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >= From:=20 Roger
>
> > Lapthorn
>
> > Sent: Tuesd= ay,=20 December 08, 2009 12:20 AM
>
> > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>=20 >
>
> >
>
> > Subject: LF: 500kHz= simple 5W=20 TX/RX
>
> > transverter
>
> >
><= BR>>=20 > Dear All,
>
> >
>
> > My WSPR tx= =20 up-converter has now been modified to
>
> > a full TX= /RX=20 tranverter suitable for WSPR, QRSS and
>
> > CW  = ;in=20 a
>
> > very simple way, making use of the FT817=20 split
>
> > facility which allows you
>
>= > to=20 RX on 500kHz and TX on 28MHz. By adding a series
> LC
><= BR>>=20 > between the TX PA and the
>
> > FT817 input/outp= ut RF=20 connection (with back-to-back
> diodes
>
> > at= the L and=20 C
>
> > junction, this allows "pass through" from
= >=20 the
>
> > 500kHz ATU to the FT817 on RX
>
&g= t; >=20 (tuned to 500kHz). On TX, the diodes conduct and the C
>=20 part
>
> > is in parallel with
>
> >= the first=20 cap in the TX low pass filter. This scheme
> is now
>> >=20 working really well
>
> > with good RX sensitivity an= d no=20 change in TX power
> out.
>
> >
>
>= >=20 Schematic of the
>
> > transverter is on my blog at= ht= tp://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
>
> > .=20 My
>
> > attempt to add it as an attachment to an ema= il=20 here
> earlier
>
> > failed.
>
>=20 >
>
> > This more or less concludes my 500kHz=20 experimenting,
> apart
>
> > from
>
&g= t; >=20 getting a few more CW QSOs in the log. It's been
> great
&g= t;
>=20 > fun all the way with lots
>
> > of support from= folks=20 here. I was going to try 136kHz,
> but
>
> > th= ink I will=20 now give
>
> > this a miss for now.
>
>= =20 >
>
> > 73s
>
> > Roger G3XBM
&g= t;
>=20 > --
>
> >
>
> >
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>
> > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
>
> >=20 G3XBM
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> >
>
>=20 >
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>
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------=_NextPart_000_0017_01CA7C04.38F20920-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me05.mx.aol.com (rly-me05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.39]) by air-me05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME053-9ba4b210bdd6b; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:55:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME056-9ba4b210bdd6b; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:55:27 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIkPT-0002sA-Nf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:54:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIkPT-0002s1-4M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:54:27 +0000 Received: from web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.124]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIkPS-0003Ty-Vk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:54:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 61753 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Dec 2009 14:54:21 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1260456861; bh=ZaGW9BGPfHHbi6ILie5+4dmtkU3apg9lS/OZYKfrvkA=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qDAoanCqGmA/cPw8Wecig3QaQpjgkuqS5H57ZAah0O55xnFrJEon8EzVU/Pyfjvc3DjG58Eay3MhLobLOyn2VX1q73oSkQlBxtZ+/B+5K9UAGjFwp0Uv+kNUWi8sHEGvugD9ER/oyE/JyZWJGP1AVe1ZhngN+Rm1l3dBEFVsxT0= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nnhCz/saZoKPrWISy0LSyL1PQPfelpNKY8okgbVzpFxtTNr8rQqPTpwQYjyiW/94U8tOL4UK5dep8mX9Vs7ebN2HzOM48t3ZgFuGWwbP5FYJZ4NnChJ5Qq/5hW53jwqy28PxOg8v47LYimDvcMWXwAsaQ3kck/UY91tuiDgBzTk=; Message-ID: <170190.60453.qm@web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: EBPzFqIVM1k9ets_N0p1mDsn3UdQgKlNG9MkRc6SF4FA3eFzEN2atu8M9xCE7HvMLFIqMnGfKflqwkzEDJAblBDSrPGfjxksH9BjO6yqNBV_aB5LVpxE2mRQ0t5wKhZRR_GlPDxjmamqu3UmA1VWG1iiJhLqTBz8fbr4.4ydGY1k0tqobFAfyzVh4avMkoW6ed2Psn2UV295ve_67CjMcrI1HrRBRGUZf2N0t8MoWrbCFFuOBgiE7Ae5M9lPprGEZdAaYaepvDrIVwQTF_I- Received: from [86.149.155.134] by web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:54:20 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:54:20 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <200912101311320337.00F58B02@smtp2.numeo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: Geneva and WRC-12 Agenda Items Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1103490079-1260456860=:60453" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d242.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-1103490079-1260456860=:60453 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi John =A0 Have you received my parcel yet,=A0with the soft rock ? =A0 73 petefmt --- On Thu, 10/12/09, John RABSON wrote: From: John RABSON Subject: Re: LF: Geneva and WRC-12 Agenda Items To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thursday, 10 December, 2009, 12:11 I believe (though I can't find the reference) that someone in France made= an informal enquiry - not via REF) about the equivalent of an NoV for 500= .=A0 The reply translated as "that part of the spectrum is not allocation= to the amateur service". F5VLF *********** REPLY SEPARATOR=A0 *********** On 10/12/2009 at 03:27 M0FMT wrote: >FYI=A0 ?? >"There is opposition to this proposal, primarily from the maritime servic= e >via the International Maritime Organisation and this has led to France >presenting a paper under agenda item 1.10 that suggests a use for the ban= d >495-505 kHz using datamodes.=A0=A0This was in response to papers from Can= ada >and the UK that proposed a secondary amateur band between 493 and 510(515= ) >kHz.=A0=A0There appears to be no commercial or technical reasoning behind= this >paper and it is suspected to be based on emotive grounds >only.=A0=A0Nevertheless agenda item 1.23 still requires a lot more suppor= t if >it is going to be successful." >73 petefmt =20 --0-1103490079-1260456860=:60453 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi John
 
Have you received my parcel yet, with the soft rock ?
 
73 petefmt

--- On Thu, 10/12/09, John RABSON <john.ra= bson@numeo.fr> wrote:

From: John RABSON <john.rabson= @numeo.fr>
Subject: Re: LF: Geneva and WRC-12 Agenda Items
To: rs= gb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Thursday, 10 December, 2009, 12:11
=
I believe (though I can't find the reference) that= someone in France made an informal enquiry - not via REF) about the equiv= alent of an NoV for 500.  The reply translated as "that part of the= spectrum is not allocation to the amateur service".

F5VLF

*= ********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 10/12/2009 at 03:27= M0FMT wrote:

>FYI  ??
>"There is opposition to this= proposal, primarily from the maritime service
>via the Internationa= l Maritime Organisation and this has led to France
>presenting a pap= er under agenda item 1.10 that suggests a use for the band
>495-505= kHz using datamodes.  This was in response to papers from Canad= a
>and the UK that proposed a secondary amateur band between 493 and= 510(515)
>kHz.  There appears to be no commercial or tech= nical reasoning behind this
>paper and it is suspected to be based= on emotive grounds
>only.  Nevertheless agenda item 1.23 still requi= res a lot more support if
>it is going to be successful."
>73= petefmt






=20 --0-1103490079-1260456860=:60453-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me09.mx.aol.com (rly-me09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.43]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME064-9da4b37e821133; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 18:05:21 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME096-9da4b37e821133; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 18:05:07 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NP29H-0003WX-Mw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 23:03:43 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NP29H-0003WO-3f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 23:03:43 +0000 Received: from web86508.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.133]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NP29F-0008Gp-8g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 23:03:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 44184 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Dec 2009 23:03:35 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1261955015; bh=YwJ9eKnl4jzBdyRdqKcfcWIGSVKwvdQmTnjMfuTdLjA=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=c1aE+6Y36orSDU9uC3vVcv3jvclKbX/N9E+YWrG+QS2DGJVJf7L6CpDSo/WwVLc4EHanUTmLKM5PXiKaOYck/Ku2JY2k9rkOOQ8l3UOpKmgEXO7E5ye1kPrByHdJrwc1yCIM5SqOLWeM7eD2d3OqRvtZnYsU7VUwajC7HSuSiiI= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=x7EDJSlzTSWMXPJCkB3ZBXaElVwclKDGP+z/6GQnAqvDNBKf+2555ZE57hwhHJ9ZawNjOjVWR6hp7QK3AKEUFAuoVgLl4e+uieXJ4nFShfmBT/jPGwhRlKHfLJ+R/vcJ3BS6a6s8vygyKBWpolf/2CimgLxn6gZHVM256VMBCWQ=; Message-ID: <166469.41692.qm@web86508.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: wV7HBnIVM1k5H32U9dGa_MKvif06b0gUp749KC61oBR40J6X4NUKaJcyCGgs2GmqcvodvpSL5vX1GXosZrIANvsv.gAR1Iy8nKcAAcqSs.UzlAMUgXUJCVNhEiU5CQbFTqyvvEsxHDmij0J9W0dDsnra7GAMAkxzNY272NWrSY16lCou6az9dSRKRvUt5arK9h.TtBw5yZPLEmjSeGhZ9X7ku4mAysmiK5AGlfUkYOAGjgjJOtWuajH_PFhIr_msGi9nbxrjcub9_cWdOK8uEHsPC9KR6uCmM8R20Roo6SJRHXV5aRyX7mPJ4Se8ZPHZHXoRHbsLFVs- Received: from [81.131.61.246] by web86508.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 23:03:34 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 23:03:34 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m251.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass Hi Ken. I dont know but I would think it should be minimal. The "suckout= effect" does seem to be most pronounced with tuned aerials. I likened it= to a GDO effect where a passive tuned circuit absorbs power from an oscil= lator. Roelof's mini-whip not being tuned and being a fairly small couplin= g capacitance, and so would probably not show the effect. The effect is mo= st noticable on receiving loops where a tuned T can totally destroy the pa= ttern of a loop and also injects wideband noise into it. However detuing= the "T" removes the great majority of the problem. I have a dramatic demo= of the coupling when I got a high induced voltage from a nearby lightning= srtike which jumped from the isolated wire end to a earthy point. My indo= or tuned loop was "inside" the inverted "L" profile and the voltage transf= ered to the 16t loop blew the gate out of a 2N3819 I use as and impedance= converter. I draw the wire out of the house on nearby storms now !! =20 Roelof's mini-whip is certainly a very useful addtion to the LF receiving= armoury..... though it is not as simple to use as we might expect.....as= shown by some of the recent messages.=20 Best Wishes for DX in 2010 Alan G3NYK =20 --- On Sun, 27/12/09, Ken wrote: > From: Ken > Subject: Re: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sunday, 27 December, 2009, 12:20 > Hello Alan. > A very interesting paper of yours, is it likely that there > will be the same=20 > interaction between a T antenna and the PA0RDT Mini Whip? >=20 > 73. > Ken > M0KHW >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "ALAN MELIA" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 11:51 AM > Subject: Re: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small > rx antenna >=20 >=20 > Hi Stefan I hope it does not give you indigestion :-)) >=20 > Good luck with it.....all LF sites are different so in > general require=20 > different detailed solutions. It seemed generally to be > sufficient to=20 > de-tune the unused antenna to reduce the interaction to low > levels. >=20 > Best Wishes for Dx in the New Year > Alan G3NYK >=20 > --- On Sun, 27/12/09, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer > wrote: >=20 > > From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer > > Subject: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small > rx antenna > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Date: Sunday, 27 December, 2009, 10:55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > Alan, tnx, i have > > printed your article and will read it now at > breakfast > > ;-) > > > > > > > > Perhaps > > I will come back > > with some questions=E2=80=A6 J > > > > > > > > 73, > > Stefan/DK7FC > > > > -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche > > Nachricht----- > > > > Von: > > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] > Im Auftrag von ALAN > > MELIA > > > > Gesendet: > > Sonntag, 27. Dezember > > 2009 01:32 > > > > An: > > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > > > Betreff: Re: > > LF: Influence of a TX > > antenna to a small rx antenna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephan yes the aerialls will > > be very close > > compared with the wavelength so they > will interact > > particularly is tuned. We > > did some measurements ar Finbar's > location several > > years ago > > > > http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/aecouple.htm > > > > > > > > The interaction was measured on an > antenna RF > > bridge, and demonstrates > > the coupling between two wires. > > > > > > > > Best Wishes > > > > Alan G3NYK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb08.mx.aol.com (rly-mb08.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.166]) by air-mb02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB024-d1d4b38c9d88f; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:08:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB081-d1d4b38c9d88f; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:08:10 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPHBe-0005cF-LY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:07:10 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPHBe-0005c6-3i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:07:10 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPHBc-0003b4-F9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:07:10 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBSF77h5013506 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:07:07 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:07:07 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:07:06 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AD0B@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <20091228152259.1s7jpzyps0w40o8o@webmail6.kuleuven.be> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Thread-Index: AcqHyzciwfkVodJLTDiccI++7BKG/wAAhrlg From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.648;28.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.28.145118 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Rik! Tnx for your explanations. So, perhaps my RX SNR could even be increased= by more attenuation, that would be fine. I thought the most of us using a separate RX antenna, like the PA0RDT desi= gn or a receiving loop. But now it sounds, that some are using the TX ant?= =20 Another question: If you say that there has just to be a little difference= in the noise between connected and disconnected antenna, I think you mean= , that the difference has to be as small as possible? Because, the case th= at there is a difference, occurs at all attenuation levels from 0 dB to a= maximum, say 60db. So 0 dB would also fulfill this statement, of course.= But if the difference should be as small as possible, what about the inte= rnal noise of the RX system? Is the part of this internal noise in that ca= se not to much relevant? Or in other words, doesn't it decrease the SNR,= if the part of the received signal is small compared to the RX-internal= noise? I thought, the level of the received signal should be as HIGH as= possible, so that the input stage is just not overdriven!? 73, Stefan/DK7FC -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe Gesendet: Montag, 28. Dezember 2009 15:23 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Hello Stefan, there is a easy way to check if you have too much attenuation or not: Tune the RX to an unused freq (only noise/QRN) and disconnect the =20 antenna; if you can hear the difference between antenna / no antenna =20 then attenuation is not too much. With a 11m high / 25m long lazy-L antenna at a quiet location I could =20 add 40dB attenuation and still hear the noise increasing when =20 connecting the antenna. I guess with a kite-antenna 50 to 60dB might be a good value. Of course it all depends also on the RX used, I use a Kenwood TS440 =20 that seems to be sensitive at LF. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma09.mx.aol.com (rly-ma09.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.53]) by air-ma06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA063-8cd4b2571b0db; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:59:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA097-8cd4b2571b0db; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:58:57 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJxNK-000281-An for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:57:14 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJxNJ-00027s-Nb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:57:13 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJxO4-0005zG-1v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:58:01 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (co02-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B20E8134245 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:57:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps02.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.138] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.58V) with ESMTP id XID694NLmw625601X02; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:57:53 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.138 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps02.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID694NLmw625601X02 Received: from [192.168.1.4] [151.47.223.119] by cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 435NLmw6Y0272M38; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:57:50 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.223.119 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.4] Message-ID: <4B25716B.8050408@usa.net> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:57:47 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LF Mailing List X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID435NLmw6Y0272X38 X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_08=2.435,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.001 Subject: LF: DI2AM Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------010008080605000607060200" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_02, HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_08,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_ONLY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --------------010008080605000607060200 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Dogbones" signal for DI2AM at 505.185 (but may be I am off a bit...)

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It was some QRN last night, but your signal was fine. Lubos, OK2BVG =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED infor= mace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_c781a9d1-5ef3-4096-9b75-904915d16cb6_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Warren, LF!
It was some QRN last night, but your signal was fine.=

Lubos, OK2BVG


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helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKfN3-0000Gj-Jr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:55:56 +0000 thread-index: Acp90Wdl7PoU/4JiShiKc164PD0ZvQ== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 X-SPAM-FLAG:NO Received: from ([127.0.0.1]) with MailEnable ESMTP; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:56:06 +0000 Message-ID: <58E5518A3C1E431D94BE909B2497657E@radiorummet> From: "Gus" To: References: <28E30F96FE754DB5B117179FDF03920A@AGB> In-Reply-To: <28E30F96FE754DB5B117179FDF03920A@AGB> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:56:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-CHK: uvtcmail.se X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0030_01CA7DD9.C82FEE00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01CA7DD9.C82FEE00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Graham, Gus run 3 W ERP. de Gus ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:19 PM Subject: Re: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9 Is Gus running 3 watts to the Ae or 3 watts ERP ? G ..=20 From: Anton B=E4rtschi=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 7:13 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9 The SM6BHZ Beacon on 600m is 579 here tonight. Not bad for 3W.=20 Why WSPR when CW works fine? What a wonderfull band! 73 de Toni, HB9ASB ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01CA7DD9.C82FEE00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Graham,
 
Gus run 3=20 W ERP.
 
de Gus
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Sent: Tuesday, December 15,= 2009 10:19=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: SM6BHZ stron= g in=20 HB9

Is Gus  running  3 watts&= nbsp; to=20 the  Ae or  3 watts  ERP ?
 
G ..

Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 7:13 PM
Subject: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9

The SM6BHZ Beacon on 600m is 579 here tonight. Not ba= d for 3W.=20
Why WSPR when CW works fine? What a wonderfull band!
73 de To= ni,=20 HB9ASB


------=_NextPart_000_0030_01CA7DD9.C82FEE00-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb12.mx.aol.com (rly-mb12.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.170]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB044-d444b19b5fa322; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 20:23:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB128-d444b19b5fa322; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 20:23:08 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGjLm-00045L-NR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 01:22:18 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGjLm-000459-4S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 01:22:18 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGjLk-0001t7-Fq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 01:22:18 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 05 Dec 2009 01:22:10 -0000 Received: from p5DC43D4D.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.196.61.77] by mail.gmx.net (mp010) with SMTP; 05 Dec 2009 02:22:10 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19mCfZVCSJmYXMS7K3sR+B3mEDr74Xjmf5OrUmA1V BcP4Ps5XCG2aJ3 Message-ID: <00c001ca7549$5dd73dd0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <59DC6AF25071476FA37B42E3896BC627@radiorummet> <000a01ca7546$54b355c0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 02:22:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.57,0.57 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BC_01CA7551.BDEB36B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=BEEN_TURNED_DOWN,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00BC_01CA7551.BDEB36B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Gus,LF, Addendum: As my internert connection has been broken during the last hours no data upload has taken place. Probably a few loggings are missing because I had to use my dipole for receiving whis is periodically disturbed when our heater is is on. My K9AY has been turned down this late afternoon by our three months old labrador 'Luke'. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ---- Original Message ----- From: Clemens Paul To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 1:33 AM Subject: LF: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz Hi GUs, see below: 2118 8 0.4 136.151499 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2138 9 0.6 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2144 8 0.7 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2218 7 0.6 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2222 8 0.7 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2226 9 0.8 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Gus To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:55 PM Subject: LF: WSPR on 137 kHz Hello LF-group, this evening i will transmit, WSPR on 137.650 kHz 136.150 kHz dial. Power abt 50 mW ERP. Transmitter start at 16:00 GMT All reports are welcome. You can also log on, www.sm6bhz.com 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.709 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.93/2544 - Ausgabedatum: 12/04/09 08:32:00 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.709 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.93/2544 - Ausgabedatum: 12/04/09 08:32:00 ------=_NextPart_000_00BC_01CA7551.BDEB36B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gus,LF,
 
Addendum:
 
As my internert connection has been= =20 broken during the last hours no data upload
has taken place.
Probably a few loggings are missing= because=20 I had to use my dipole for
receiving whis is periodically distur= bed when=20 our heater is is on.
My K9AY has been turned down this lat= e afternoon by=20 our three months old
labrador 'Luke'.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
----=20 Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 05,= 2009 1:33=20 AM
Subject: LF: Re: WSPR on 137= kHz

Hi GUs,
 
see below:
 
2118   8  0.4 136.15= 1499  0=20 SM6BHZ JO57 17
2138   9  0.6 136.151500  0 SM= 6BHZ JO57=20 17
2144   8  0.7 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ JO57=20 17
2218   7  0.6 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ JO57=20 17
2222   8  0.7 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ JO57=20 17
2226   9  0.8 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ JO57=20 17
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gus=
Sent: Friday, December 04,= 2009 4:55=20 PM
Subject: LF: WSPR on 137 kH= z

Hello LF-group,
this=20 evening i will transmit, WSPR on 137.650 kHz 136.150 kHz dial. Power abt 50 mW ERP.
All=20 reports are welcome.
You can also log on,=20
 
73= de Gus=20 SM6BHZ


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Von AVG =FCberpr=FCf= t - www.avg.de
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Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei.
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type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA8657.562F9C0D" Subject: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/59368 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600c4b3652de2c7c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA8657.562F9C0D Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01CA8657.562F9C0D" ------_=_NextPart_002_01CA8657.562F9C0D Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Lowfers,=20 Yesterday i saw the extreme influence of my 100m vertical tx antenna to th= e small active antenna. Now I have some ideas how to avoid that and would= be thankful for any comments and hints. During the QSOs there was much QSB in the RX signals, just as if someone= is playing with the AF-volume. First I thought it is caused by a loose co= ntact in the Converter or in the fiber optic cable but later I found, that= it was caused by the angle of the tx antenna to ground (Wind was good but= with some QSB ;-) ). In my last QSO with IK1HSS I disconnected the TX wire from the loading coi= l and than, the whole signal was almost gone (when choosing "visual mode= LOW" at the argo monitor). Switching to "visual mode HIGH" and increasing= the AF a little bit gave almost the same QRM lines by DFC39 (vy strong ye= sterday). Now, the SNR was much better than before!=20 In the following pic you can get a impression of the dimension of the infl= uence of the TX ant (The RX ant is isolated to the rest of the rig by an= optic fiber cable and battery supply, so "just" coupled by the E field to= the TX ant): In the left part the TX wire was disconnected from the coil and mode was= HIGH In the middle part I connected the wire to the loading coil In the right part I switched to the LOW mode! I am sure that the TX ant does not only increase the QRM but also the want= ed signal. So the benefit will not be so strong than between left and righ= t part in the pic. But the SNR increases significantly, as I saw in the QS= O with IK1HSS. So a disconnection of the TX wire makes sense. What are the alternatives?=20 Placing the RX ant apart from the TX ant to reduce the influence? I think= with a 100m vertical I can forget that unless I do not want to spend 100s= of meters of RX cable ;-) Bringing the ant out of resonance? That is the one and only solution I thi= nk. Any better ideas?=20 I could disconnect the loading coil at the lower end to ground. That could= be done with a relay (My RX/TX sequencer provides an output "12V @ RX" th= at could directly be used for this). Probably there will be a residual cou= pling capacity of the coil to ground and the relay contacts and so on, say= 30pF but since my ant C is 580pF that would be quite enough for deadjusti= ng, I hope so. As I thought about protecting the contacts and the PA in the case that the= re will be a mistake (contacts have to be closed without a voltage at the= relay) in the circuit, i thought some Varistors or even better some antip= arallel diodes could be a good choice. That brought me to the idea that a= power diode out of a SMPS would easyly handle the antenna current with fa= st enough switching times. So do you think just two antiparallel diodes (or perhaps 2x2, 2 in series,= and perhaps with an additional 10...100k Resistor parallel) without a rel= ay could be suitable to solve the RX TX ant influence problem? Could the= TX signal distortion be neglected? When the voltage across the diodes (RX= case) is less than the forward voltage, do the diodes act as an open cont= act, just with a few pF reverse capacity? I think so but I don't know much= about the RX voltages that are given by such an antenna. There will be so= me experiments... :-) Comments welcome ;-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC ------_=_NextPart_002_01CA8657.562F9C0D Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Lowfers,

= Yesterday i saw the extreme influence of my 100m vertical tx antenna to the small acti= ve antenna. Now I have some ideas how to avoid that and would be thankful for= any comments and hints.

= During the QSOs there was much QSB in the RX signals, just as if someone is playing with= the AF-volume. First I thought it is caused by a loose contact in the Converte= r or in the fiber optic cable but later I found, that it was caused by the angl= e of the tx antenna to ground (Wind was good but with some QSB ;-) ).

= In my last QSO with IK1HSS I disconnected the TX wire from the loading coil and than, the whole signal was almost gone (when choosing “visual mode LOW”= at the argo monitor). Switching to “visual mode HIGH” and increas= ing the AF a little bit gave almost the same QRM lines by DFC39 (vy strong yesterday). Now, the SNR was much better than before!

= In the following pic you can get a impression of the dimension of the influence= of the TX ant (The RX ant is isolated to the rest of the rig by an optic fiber ca= ble and battery supply, so “just” coupled by the E field to the TX= ant):

=

= In the left part the TX wire was disconnected from the coil and mode was HIGH

= In the middle part I connected the wire to the loading coil

= In the right part I switched to the LOW mode!

= I am sure that the TX ant does not only increase the QRM but also the wanted signal. So= the benefit will not be so strong than between left and right part in the pic.= But the SNR increases significantly, as I saw in the QSO with IK1HSS. So a disconnection of the TX wire makes sense.

= What are the alternatives?

= Placing the RX ant apart from the TX ant to reduce the influence? I think with a 100m ver= tical I can forget that unless I do not want to spend 100s of meters of RX cable= ;-)

= Bringing the ant out of resonance? That is the one and only solution I think. Any bette= r ideas?

= I could disconnect the loading coil at the lower end to ground. That could be done= with a relay (My RX/TX sequencer provides an output “12V @ RX” that could directly be used for this). Probably there will be a residual coupli= ng capacity of the coil to ground and the relay contacts and so on, say 30pF= but since my ant C is 580pF that would be quite enough for deadjusting, I hope= so.

= As I thought about protecting the contacts and the PA in the case that there will be a mistake (contacts have to be closed without a voltage at the relay) in the circuit, i thought some Varistors or even better some antiparallel diodes= could be a good choice. That brought me to the idea that a power diode out of a= SMPS would easyly handle the antenna current with fast enough switching times.<= /span>

= So do you think just two antiparallel diodes (or perhaps 2x2, 2 in series, and perhaps wit= h an additional 10…100k Resistor parallel) without a relay could be suita= ble to solve the RX TX ant influence problem? Could the TX signal distortion= be neglected? When the voltage across the diodes (RX case) is less than the forward volt= age, do the diodes act as an open contact, just with a few pF reverse capacity?= I think so but I don’t know much about the RX voltages that are given= by such an antenna. There will be some experiments… J

= Comments welcome ;-)

= 73, Stefan/DK7FC

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-0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFt5K-0005w9-Hd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:33:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFt5K-0005w0-6j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:33:50 +0000 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFt5C-0007Vv-R0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:33:50 +0000 Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091202173308.NPHP17277.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:33:08 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091202173308.PWQR13254.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:33:08 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:33:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B16A4CF.1375.8E051D@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1ggfb5FlKZQUfF3vzm9UBYZ2uTfLsbs/8dSljwg5+mE= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=ho0Ty7z5mN-GuXHXUtMA:9 a=MDEFl6mSMRNgbv0jeZh-Hm6aJekA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: G3XDV now 136.310kHz Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I have moved my QRSS3 test transmission a little LF to 136.310kHz to avoid QRM to those listening for F8BOJ's QRSS60 test. Antenna current 10% less than last night due to rain-soaked trees. Mike ==== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf06.mx.aol.com (rly-mf06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.176]) by air-mf02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF023-9634b23cc6921d; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:01:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF061-9634b23cc6921d; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:01:31 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJVKV-0001Tl-8W for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:00:27 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJVKU-0001Tc-Sw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:00:26 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJVKW-0000Bk-Nv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:00:30 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (co02-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17FF61343E7 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:00:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps04.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.133] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.58V) with ESMTP id XID079NLLRaV6257X02; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:00:21 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.133 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps04.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID079NLLRaV6257X02 Received: from [192.168.1.4] [151.47.220.86] by cmsapps04.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 706NLLRaT8672M40; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:00:19 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.220.86 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.4] Message-ID: <4B23CC20.9010400@usa.net> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:00:16 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC1F@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B23B319.9080005@usa.net> <00b401ca7b4a$4ba0b4a0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> In-Reply-To: <00b401ca7b4a$4ba0b4a0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID706NLLRaT8672X40 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Japanese time&frequency station Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Wolf and Clemens, thanks for your answers. So I can still have hope, despite the negative results so far.... :-) I understand that I need a lot of wire outside, in a form of a loop, preferably tuned to that QRG. Not the right kind of work to do outside during the winter, though... but may be there will be some sunny days... :-) TNX and Merry Christmas to everybody ! 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de08.mx.aol.com (rly-de08.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.144]) by air-de08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE082-4f34b18c6c5276; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 03:22:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE082-4f34b18c6c5276; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 03:22:31 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGTPx-0005qf-1Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 08:21:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGTPw-0005qW-L8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 08:21:32 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGTPv-0002t5-Qe for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 08:21:32 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE6BC7B8066 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:21:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id A275F31E702 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:21:13 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:21:29 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <4B18BE10.9090208@telia.com> References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB1C@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B18BE10.9090208@telia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20091204082113.A275F31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: AW: [Fwd: Extra transmission with SAQ Dec 10 2009] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_2448279==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_2448279==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan, isn't the correct name Karl Ferdinand von Braun ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 08:45 4/12/2009, you wrote: >I'm sorry but I didn't do the spelling - I simply forwarded the message >I got from SAQ. >73 Johan SM6LKM > >Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > > The german physicist is called Karl Ferdinand Braun > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Ferdinand_Braun )! > > >> The reason for the extra transmission is a centenary commemoration of > >> the Nobel Prize given to Guglielmo Marconi and Karl Ferdinand Brown. --=====================_2448279==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan,

isn't the correct name Karl Ferdinand von Braun ?

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 08:45 4/12/2009, you wrote:
I'm sorry but I didn't do= the spelling - I simply forwarded the message
I got from SAQ.
73 Johan SM6LKM

Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote:
> The german physicist is called Karl Ferdinand Braun
> ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Ferdinand_Braun )!

>> The reason for the extra transmission is a centenary commemoration of
>> the Nobel Prize given to Guglielmo Marconi and Karl Ferdinand Brown.
--=====================_2448279==.ALT-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df07.mx.aol.com (rly-df07.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.20]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF022-5614b1edf271bf; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:20:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF072-5614b1edf271bf; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:20:09 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NI9KX-0007PM-D1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:18:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NI9KW-0007PD-Mq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:18:52 +0000 Received: from rekin26.go2.pl ([193.17.41.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NI9KV-0007Te-Qq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:18:52 +0000 Received: from rekin26.go2.pl (rekin26.go2.pl [127.0.0.1]) by rekin26.go2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8996B35D7CF for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 00:18:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from unknown (unknown [10.0.0.142]) by rekin26.go2.pl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 00:18:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from 58-178-124-188.rev.pro-internet.pl [188.124.178.58] by poczta.o2.pl with ESMTP id ndpAAG; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 00:18:46 +0100 Message-ID: <006d01ca785c$c99a08c0$3ab27cbc@ap6fnsa53r3k6h> From: "Marcin" To: References: <1260202597.4b1d2a65f3b5c@imp.netikka.net> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 00:18:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-O2-Trust: 2, 68 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Broadcast audio splatter on 136kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Paul-Henrik, LF I forwarded my friends engineers from Solec Kujawski about your problem. Check the transmitter. A few photos from the transmitter: http://www.sp2pzh.pg.gda.pl/solec.html Vy 73! Marcin SQ2BXI LF Does anybody else on the reflector suffer from BC-splatter on 136kHz? It has been a regular occurance here lately after dark. After some identification work I have a match on the running programmes on 171 and 225kHz, 225kHz being the stronger. I blamed my RX chain at first and started to eliminate IMD possibilities but even now using a passive antenna and a very sharp bandpass filter (much like an IF-filter for a valve BC-set) I still have the BC splatter. So far I have not been able to determine the carrier frequency of this "phantom station" but it must be close to the carrier of Lakihegy. Using AM detection with a narrow filter it seems centered around 135.4kHz. Sounds like two BC-stations on top of eachother and the USB reaches up in the amateur band making "ghost whispers". Luxembourg effect, transmitter IMD or just me missing the point? The bandpass filter is very effective and there are only weak traces of signals above 150kHz. BR Paul-Henrik, OH1LSQ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (rly-dg07.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.91]) by air-dg03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG033-5dd4b33b6b82d2; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:45:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG076-5dd4b33b6b82d2; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:45:14 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNsfI-0000Y0-FU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:44:00 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNsfI-0000Xr-3B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:44:00 +0000 Received: from mail-yx0-f203.google.com ([209.85.210.203]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNsfG-0003Ug-Ga for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:44:00 +0000 Received: by yxe41 with SMTP id 41so27784516yxe.30 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:43:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=6y1ieMjI81G8Idaatp5Y1OqZ7hUqMzd8/23rukVFFXQ=; b=Yl2u3dALMh0SXBcO8W1FT1U1uCZDf50MbQweYWK8jx/X/wv4MDlkK1mNWf8SvuPvSG 7Ej4NjpMpcZizSVrmWs1JSeTyqz3c9PkN8A0sXuOCBjyiHOgVtGuHBkWlRVVJpGatU0q hc1vIW4LyPxmqlLMDqZGa69PpCGcRqvS8VNdQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=U0KemRaNaEkk2BBvlssUrdqEK18ePXd6otUvrq9jBsCnu31MB0y2WwWvE+0XPF9wsP ykEmYbn/hkZxLb/uQgGARlAJMKIEbgn1mduQs+YQAgT+mfJCVq2mwKgXJF7NYrFchYcB ikPLmcJX3H5nxyk3CmdfDDAPRS8QQsGHpUt58= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.55.28 with SMTP id d28mr12734875yba.335.1261680230919; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:43:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:43:50 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca70912241043s1fe8b5adk26b3ca0b6ff95961@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: Re: LF: XGJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d272.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Lubos, Thank you for the capture! Merry Christmas! --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2009/12/24 Lubos OK2BVG : > Hello Warren, LF! > It was some QRN last night, but your signal was fine. > > Lubos, OK2BVG > > > ________________________________ > Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md06.mx.aol.com (rly-md06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.144]) by air-md03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD033-90e4b184f79297; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:53:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD066-90e4b184f79297; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:53:30 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGLTa-0004fr-GJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:52:46 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGLTa-0004fi-51 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:52:46 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGLTY-00018l-4V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:52:46 +0000 Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091203234738.EOXI27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 23:47:38 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091203234738.VWXF21638.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 23:47:38 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:47:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B184E14.17657.1DB6D1B@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=O-RIqnLNz-8GGh8sdysA:9 a=YqQ971Y9qDN55CXCpHFuv_oKsnUA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: XDV QRT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Due to a problem I am closing the beacon down for tonight. Mike, G3XDV ========= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.14]) by air-mb01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB013-a1874b3c9038128; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 06:51:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3305C38000084; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 06:51:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQJXT-0003vq-Kz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:49:59 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQJXT-0003vh-3n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:49:59 +0000 Received: from mail-pz0-f177.google.com ([209.85.222.177]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQJXR-0003c5-H9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:49:59 +0000 Received: by pzk7 with SMTP id 7so3553002pzk.30 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 03:49:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ipyxIu2QfejEcmud9CoghQiN3Df/fKdhxrDvgVW0D6Q=; b=IynocHOKOMoDKKMZalkV5FOdJJsj+xzUArayk9GioIoNW+yqxZPw47ERkvqNnUlGid jPOsC+6FkcbTtLHnD1Oiki9qlyWWuXBbrJrvfGuq+8+LDKhMRV0NNp47aDwLDMqcOjO9 qtp6XkSuOMSRXZysMd890sk6dw4455KmJNbs4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=xE6q+3IE4YWwNrIeqXhdLbEGBU53356tZ/9H2c5O7CRzoRJKsAhUbbZ8A/Dfd2Ywf/ FeXO59kXmYuUKWnAgotfwVT232Gfbep9ppfq7+iWHxMh602Zo59S0bIP/Q+MpPSfA1xv O/SsTZc4+4J6s6ZzvQo9owTvTVyo1rnMEr5ic= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.58.7 with SMTP id g7mr13815587rva.98.1262260190848; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 03:49:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:49:50 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0a455002c12238e2 Message-ID: <1f0624b90912310349r8408cbaof4bb6e0e17d6fb9a@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: Rsgb_Lf_Group DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500kHz Grabber. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636b2ac504a2677047c04da7d X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600e4b3c903777ec X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001636b2ac504a2677047c04da7d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi All, Sorry to have to announce that my grabber is inoperative at the moment. It seems that I have regularly exceeded the daily quota set by the ISP/web site provider. I have been transparently placed in "restricted service" which is only allowing about 5 uploads/downloads each day. I expect that it will take some time for my average to come down sufficient to allow my regular uploads again. Also I will have to make the upload file sizes smaller & less regular so as to keep within this upload limit. I will post a notice here when all is running normally again. 73 es HNY Gary - G4WGT. --001636b2ac504a2677047c04da7d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All,

Sorry to have to announce that my grabber is in= operative at the moment.

It seems that I have reg= ularly exceeded the daily quota set by the ISP/web site provider. I have= been transparently placed in "restricted service" which is only= allowing about 5 uploads/downloads each day. I expect that it will take= some time for my average to come down sufficient to allow my regular uplo= ads again.

Also I will have to make the upload file sizes smaller= & less regular so as to keep within this upload limit.

=
I will post a notice here when all is running normally again.

73 es HNY

Gary - G4WGT.
=


--001636b2ac504a2677047c04da7d-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de06.mx.aol.com (rly-de06.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.142]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE053-4e34b276aed3a2; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 05:54:55 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE066-4e34b276aed3a2; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 05:54:40 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKV0F-0000yl-01 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:51:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKV0E-0000yc-JL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:51:38 +0000 Received: from mx01.infotech.at ([213.174.240.1]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKV1X-0004I0-GE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:53:02 +0000 Received: from [213.174.255.2] by mx01.infotech.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKV1l-00054t-Jx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:53:13 +0100 Message-ID: <4B276A85.6060003@inext.at> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:52:53 +0100 From: Oberreiter Oswald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4B26CFC2.20402@inext.at> In-Reply-To: X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: BY3A Ops OSsi - Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) hallo laurence ! thanks fore the infos ,i was very surpriset about this special conditions , i never tought to commimg through to your grabber , running only 200 w to the antenna simple marconi only 18 m high . would you be so kindly and send me a pic copy . and again many thanks fore your grabber 73 ossi oe5odl jn68rd Laurence BY3A-KL1X China schrieb: > Ossi that jpg code gets wiped and updated on the server with the next > capture - Ill review the files if you dont have a local copy - yes > there was a "lift/tilt" this morning to the East just at pre dawn but > it appears as ever very selective. DCF39 was down at dawn but that > data signal between the mark and space was up to S7! > > Overall the 137 qsb was very long and deep later in the night and > certainly for the stations about the and >5000Kms mark conditions > tended to be better mid evening their time, save the dawn. WPF > was strong last night at times. > > If you see that line in 137.77500 its a Russian Loran signal and gives > you an idea of how my calibration is on the R75. There are a few > over lines around too. > > I did have an annoying noise come up occasionally which covers a large > area outside and does reduce the sensitivity during an "event" > > Nothing seen on 500 last night - if anyone wants to have another go at > WOLF or WSPR on any both of the bands I can take a look. > > Tomorrow, Wednesday night is the last night Ill be on from China :-( > > regards > > Laurence > KL 1 X in BY3 A OM89UA > > > When available - shared - normally active on LF after China dusk - > China snappers will close after this Wednesday - screen autoupdate > Internet willing > > http://kl1x.com/137777China.html China No. 1 receiver (R75 shared probe ) > http://kl1x.com/136318china.html China No. 2 receiver (SDR IQ shared > probe) > http://kl1x.com/Alaska.html Palinville Palmer/Wasilla Alaska > (R75 K9AY Set Omni) > > > Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:52:34 +0100 > > From: o.ossy@inext.at > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Subject: LF: BY3A > > > > http://kl1x.com/777China00000.jpg > > > > Hallo Dimityr ! > > Thanks fer info again, > > now its reality the sunrise in china bringing up my signal on BY3A on > > 137,775.2 > > 73 ossi oe5odl > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db07.mx.aol.com (rly-db07.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.82]) by air-db05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB054-ada4b2680c6295; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:16:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB078-ada4b2680c6295; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:15:35 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKFQF-00063X-8v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:13:27 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKFQE-00063O-SN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:13:26 +0000 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKFRR-0004iL-MQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:14:43 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlAFAPsOJktZ8INV/2dsb2JhbACIXtAEhCsE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,396,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="202520932" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.240.131.85]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2009 18:14:36 +0000 Message-ID: <003501ca7ce9$4a9392d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <20091210100700.32DEC31E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <1260444821.6353.65.camel@vaio3rd> <1260449921.6353.77.camel@vaio3rd> <200912141851290399.0E3514C6@smtp2.numeo.fr> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:14:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 For the average person on LF with limited space for antennas etc one would need at least 1 Kw of RF output. If you are a fumbler and scared of RF burns or being Zapped take out an appropriate Insurance policy. G3KEV . ----- Original Message ----- From: "John RABSON" To: Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 5:51 PM Subject: LF: Re: TX-2200A May I add a somewhat late comment about this product, please? It seems to me that there are several different requirements for a transmitter for 136 kHz, depending upon what any individual needs. Being able to generate 1 kW is not always necessary. One thing that struck me about this unit is that the power level can be varied over a considerable range. When setting up an antenna and its connection to the feed line, it is very useful to start with low power (hence low voltage) so as not to stress the various components unnecessarily. One thing I like about this unit is that it can be used for ordinary hand-sent CW. Presumably QRSS would not be a problem. Also, can this rig be used for some of the more sophisticated modes? I do not think I have a complete set of the e-mails of this thread. Please will someone enlighten me. Thanks. 73 John Rabson F5VLF 58800 Cervon France JN17vg From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.143]) by air-di07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI072-eacf4b365194e3; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:10:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A9153380001A4; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:10:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOb4b-0006Fa-DP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:09:05 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOb4b-0006FR-1Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:09:05 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOb4Z-0005Zp-DD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:09:04 +0000 Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091226180857.WCCG17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:08:57 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091226180857.NPPZ21638.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:08:57 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:08:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B365134.31361.1E4D196@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <005201ca8653$fa1750c0$0217aac0@desktop> References: <4B364B7F.3528.1CE8517@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com>, <005201ca8653$fa1750c0$0217aac0@desktop> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=16hHuiILVrHJ0ZLnXZ0A:9 a=-1BLdWxxLB1vFjvW_r3OJ4c-SokA:4 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RTTY Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408f4b3651931c19 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 James, I had a listen but the band was too noisy to detect anything. Perhaps tomorrow during the day? 73 de Mike ========= > I am running a RTTY beacon (vy QRPppp), on 137.5 can you copy it? > > I might switch to WSPR mode later and see if that can be picked up or > try QRSS10 > > > > With best regards > > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Mike Dennison > Sent: 26 December 2009 17:45 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: > LF: XDV beacon > > I will be transmitting 'XDV' on 136.31975kHz overnight. It looks > another station is already on 136.319kHz - probably DJ8WX. > > Mike, G3XDV > ========== > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf01.mx.aol.com (rly-mf01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.171]) by air-mf10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF103-9424b1b9198293; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:12:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF018-9424b1b9198293; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:12:26 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHF1R-0004B3-OX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:11:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHF1R-0004Au-58 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:11:25 +0000 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHF1P-000656-Gm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:11:25 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuAEAE8gG0tOlpnN/2dsb2JhbACODgbGaoI6gXkE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,349,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="152962914" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.150.153.205]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 06 Dec 2009 11:11:17 +0000 Message-ID: <001901ca7664$d1513dd0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <002801ca765e$f543b8e0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <9afca2640912060240x3892a5d0o71d5082089b54a2c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:11:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 pirate Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01CA7664.D104F290" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01CA7664.D104F290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Never heard a G7 on cw before Never had a 557 (tone 7) before Never had a repeative Beacon report before. Never had a report in the past before a QSO started. This appears to me to be a PIRATE are you sure it is who you think it= is ? I have not encountered this callsign before. G3KEV =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 10:40 AM Subject: Re: LF: 500 pirate It was G7NKS - no pirate. 2009/12/6 mal hamilton Some G7 stn calling me in Beacon mode giving me 557 report and Lo= c. Could be a Pirate, unusual procedure. G3KEV --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01CA7664.D104F290 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Never heard a G7 on cw before<= /DIV>
 
Never had a 557 (tone 7) before
 
Never had a repeative Beacon report= =20 before.
 
Never had a report in the past before=  a QSO=20 started.
 
This appears to me to be a PIRATE&nbs= p;are you sure=20 it is who you think it is ?
 
I have not encountered this callsign= =20 before.
 
G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 20= 09 10:40=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: 500 pirate

It was G7NKS - no pirate.

2009/12/6 mal hamilton <= g3kevmal@talktalk.net= >
Some G7 stn calling me in Beacon&= nbsp; mode=20 giving me 557 report and Loc. Could be a Pirate, unusual=20 procedure.
G3KEV
 



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boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA750A.6557EDF9" Subject: LF: Active Antenna Preamp of Bernd/DF8ZR X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA750A.6557EDF9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lowfers,=20 =20 Now, Bernd has posted the circuit of his preamp for active antennas: http:= //www.mydarc.de/df8zr/lf-active-antenna.pdf =20 =20 It's nothing fundamental new. But it's just working very fine, with an ove= rvoltage shielded input. DLF (153kHz) gets attenuated by abt 40dB, compare= d to the sigs in the wanted frequency range. Gain is abt 23dB. It was publ= ished in summer 2003 in the CQDL...=20 =20 73, Stefan ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA750A.6557EDF9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Now, Be= rnd has posted the circuit of his preamp for active antennas: http://www.mydarc.de/df8zr/lf-active-= antenna.pdf=

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It̵= 7;s nothing fundamental new. But it’s just working very fine, with an overvoltag= e shielded input. DLF (153kHz) gets attenuated by abt 40dB, compared to the= sigs in the wanted frequency range. Gain is abt 23dB. It was published in summe= r 2003 in the CQDL…

 <= /span>

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------_=_NextPart_001_01CA750A.6557EDF9-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf03.mx.aol.com (rly-mf03.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.173]) by air-mf09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF094-9524b332f301a7; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 04:07:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF038-9524b332f301a7; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 04:06:58 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNjdz-0007HZ-HB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:06:03 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNjdz-0007HQ-3f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:06:03 +0000 Received: from smtp828.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.13.163]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNjdv-00009B-4I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:06:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 75346 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2009 09:05:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Importance:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE; b=6oGcMb/DpNH+cZtl97kWfDCa8lQUY8oq4FAK5D+SKrBMq1cP85JjZ4/gxD16d4MGWvfxD6pDFBGmutipbsBU0cqMwLavSbmZaqL83rK9Z7OTLNj320Yg/aznJcFmwc2Np+BbCEGhgxPirxpN0Ph5lLj15+l1mNM7yoEDr5b/jRY= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Inspiron) (hudsonville@86.146.200.116 with login) by smtp828.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2009 09:05:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: T9P8HheswBCXVWXq3ajpBY99bVSvRxQZ2abOUyeQ53_fqQzzpx0V X-YMail-OSG: OotEBYsVM1nExayE2g.vEdxM9HXza4oywrOruxJ9vsIBZuA9mDPHv7_rIuPK8k0mCjhXcZscN9_yqwCX2t9AreEVydPiL10rxomj3i3D1LxTxhAcU.zR8FAXE8hoRBThx1C2J6.ki7TNuzOA2j8SDUZUfba4iMLQE7xsQ3hbqXSS.R_uBvF9.mR3npybtf.JQbmc_9Kj0Xf0UlcK.RlqNBXsCl3efoF5JQ1WJwiD X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Lee Hudson" To: Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:06:00 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcqEdNGJ5GuI/9geQTqYj5svTiDfbQAAzQ8g In-Reply-To: <4B3328FF.1000303@junkshifta.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: LF: RE: saq Christmas transmission Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Simon, LF Group Just put this recording on the web of the SAQ transmision. Not as good as the ones earlier in the month. http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/SAQ%2020091224%200800utc%20Message.MP3 73, Lee M0LMH. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Simon Newhouse Sent: 24 December 2009 08:41 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: saq Christmas transmission Hello group, Has anyone made a recording of the SAQ broadcast this morning ? I thought I had got it only to find that the soft ware was only recording up to 5khz GRRRRRrrr.. That'll teach me to check my settings. Any way the idea was to decode it at my leisure as I'm just learning morse. If any one has a recording that they could post to me I'd be very greatful. Thanks in advance. Simon M0NWY. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.117/2583 - Release Date: 12/23/09 19:02:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (rly-dc08.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.37]) by air-dc09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC094-b3b4b194a3a41; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:43:39 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC087-b3b4b194a3a41; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:43:23 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGcAe-0000Sz-V7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:42:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGcAe-0000Sq-Em for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:42:20 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGcAd-000604-JZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:42:20 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nB4HgGAQ016242 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 18:42:16 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:42:16 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 18:42:15 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB49@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <000a01ca74ff$163eb010$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: FUSE TEST Thread-Index: Acp0/+yNaiqZzgGlSBCmQsvim/kdtQAB9XZQ From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.605;04.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.4.172718 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA7509.1EB5C3F9" Subject: LF: AW: FUSE TEST X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7509.1EB5C3F9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi mal,=20 =20 There is also a dependence of time. I am sure you can put 1000A to a 10A= Fuse, when time is short enough. I adiabatic cases it is a function of th= e thermal capacity of the fuse, the fuse wire volume and the melting point= of the fuse wire. Therefore they are separated into fast, medium, slow.= If you use a fast or super fast fuse, a 30A fuse will melt at 50A within= a few seconds or earlier. =20 73, Stefan =20 =20 PS: I just have finished my receiving loop with 40 windings, repaired the= converter and integrated it into my K2. Now I will watch the argo screen= tonight and hope for some signs. It becomes better and better :-) =20 Gl es dx dx! =20 =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von mal hamilton Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Dezember 2009 17:30 An: rsgb Betreff: LF: FUSE TEST =20 Has anyone tested the ACTUAL blow current for fuses eg 5A 10A 30A.. I often do not have fuses at the correct value and FUSE down only to find= that I can run them at considerably higher amps than rated eg 30A fuses= at 50A and they fail to blow. This is intermittent use say 30% - 50% in= psu's used for CW and QRS3 normally in FET AMPS This is normal fuse wire bought wrapped on card. It looks like your PA fets could be in trouble under certain circumstances= . =20 de mal/g3kev =20 =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7509.1EB5C3F9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi mal,

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There is= also a dependence of time. I am sure you can put 1000A to a 10A Fuse, when time= is short enough. I adiabatic cases it is a function of the thermal capacity= of the fuse, the fuse wire volume and the melting point of the fuse wire. Therefo= re they are separated into fast, medium, slow. If you use a fast or super fas= t fuse, a 30A fuse will melt at 50A within a few seconds or earlier.<= /font>

 

73, Stef= an

 

 

PS: I ju= st have finished my receiving loop with 40 windings, repaired the converter and integrated it= into my K2. Now I will watch the arg= o screen tonight and hope for some signs. It becomes better and better J

 

Gl es dx= dx!

 

 

-----Urspr=FCngl= iche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org] Im Auftrag von mal ha= milton
Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Dezem= ber 2009 17:30
An: rsgb
Betreff: LF: FUSE TEST

 

Has anyone tested= the ACTUAL blow current for fuses eg 5A 10A 30A..

I often do not hav= e fuses at the correct value and FUSE down only to find that I can run them at considerab= ly higher amps than rated eg 30A fuses at 50A and they fail to blow. This is intermittent use say 30% - 50% in psu's used for CW and QRS3 normally in= FET AMPS

This is normal fus= e wire bought wrapped on card.

It looks like your= PA fets could be in trouble under certain circumstances.

 

de mal/g3kev

 

 

 

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7509.1EB5C3F9-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df07.mx.aol.com (rly-df07.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.20]) by air-df05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF054-5634b1c14cb2e4; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:32:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF074-5634b1c14cb2e4; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:32:13 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHNl9-0005yT-KN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:31:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHNl9-0005yK-7G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:31:11 +0000 Received: from warsl404pip2.highway.telekom.at ([195.3.96.113] helo=email.aon.at) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHNl8-00007A-IK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:31:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 25602 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2009 20:31:04 -0000 Received: from 91-115-29-63.adsl.highway.telekom.at (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([91.115.29.63]) (envelope-sender ) by smarthub96.highway.telekom.at (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 6 Dec 2009 20:31:04 -0000 From: Gerhard Hickl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: References: <42030EE58BDD4FA78C88635B91BDFB78@2a2d7ed321c6425> Disposition-Notification-To: gerhard.hickl@aon.at Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:31:04 +0100 Message-ID: <1260131464.3779.5.camel@gerhard-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Unser QSO auf 137,7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Servus Toni! Hier ist OE3GHB...ebenfalls Gerhard und wir hatten auch ein QSO.... Weil ja DK6NI von einer möglichen Verwechslung schreibt, weiß ich jetzt auch nicht so genau wen Du meinst....... AWDH es 73 OE3GHB Gerhard Am Sonntag, den 06.12.2009, 21:15 +0100 schrieb Anton Bärtschi: > Hallo Gerhard > Sorry für die verspätete Antwort, alle deine Posts sind in meinem > Spam-Ordner gelandet. > Unser QSO hat wunderbar geklappt und du bist in meinem Log. Dein > Signal war gut lesbar, absolut "O"! > Meine Antenne ist etwa gleich, nur die Leistung höher: 500W bis 1KW je > nach Anpassung. > Vielen Dank für das QSO und 73 aus der Westschweiz > de Toni HB9ASB in JN36NU > > Anton Bärtschi > Les fermes 24 > 1792 Cordast > Schweiz > > 2009/12/3 Beckmann, Gerhard > > > Hallo Toni, > > > > …falls die Mail nicht durchgekommen war…. > > > > Besten Dank für ein kurzes Lebenszeichen. > > > > vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI > > > > ==== > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Von: Beckmann, Gerhard [mailto:beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Dezember 2009 22:01 > An: 'Beckmann, Gerhard'; 'Anton Bärtschi' > Betreff: AW: Unser QSO auf 137,7 > > > > > Hallo Toni, > > > > nur eine kurze Frage: > > Hattest Du mein Signal lesen können oder war es eine > Verwechslung meinerseits? > > > > Besten Dank + vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI > > > > ====== > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Von: Beckmann, Gerhard [mailto:beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de] > Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. November 2009 23:06 > An: 'Anton Bärtschi' > Betreff: Unser QSO auf 137,7 > > > > > Hallo Toni, > > > > besten Dank für das ufb QSO auf 137,72 in QRSS3! > > Mein Rig: > > TX:Ropex mit ca. 100 Watt. > > RX: TS 440 S > > Antenne: endgespeister Draht mit 40 Meter Länge und ca. 10 > Meter Höhe. > > (sehr schlechte lösung für LF ---hi--) > > > > vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI > > > > === > > > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.148]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE044-5eb14b362728393; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:09:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 86355380000E7; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:09:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOYFI-0005H6-Su for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 15:07:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOYFI-0005Gx-HG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 15:07:56 +0000 Received: from outbound-jn.dca.untd.com ([64.136.47.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOYFF-0006xc-GW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 15:07:56 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=juno.com; s=alpha; t=1261840065; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=X-UNTD-OriginStamp:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:From; b=rdELmHSC/cBHMFWwcUW/Au1aDsWGNyiKrdSSrw4Kv5aPx5qO8hlULAFNWpamJsNfB X7a1WXCC/4cn1F1fHReh8THQAuM/OT0B8ymamfn97vC4kqRvEX9nyNEK5qso+KdA4i XSBYeRYywggYlUGIHqdarpqlcbZI/aEmpDo9mnlU= X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-jn.dca.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFVNKW4AMWW4ZJ for (sender ); Sat, 26 Dec 2009 07:07:06 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: g21GJOtXAsiQ/71APa81vlEoQlkQPV5aqNbjyvawjTzUhgz6yLq7Fw== Received: (from cw4ever4@juno.com) by m04.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id P2QFGN8V; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 07:06:57 PST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:06:46 -0500 Message-ID: <20091226.100646.11516.0.cw4ever4@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.1.83 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0 From: Robert H Reif X-UNTD-BodySize: 279 X-ContentStamp: 2:2:948989619 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.dca.untd.com|cw4ever4@juno.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJECT_EXCESS_QP=0,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_LF:_=22WA=22_beacon_received_at_503kHz.?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40944b3627272ffe X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello, I've been beaconing WSPR 2.0 on about 503.91 50% duty cycle, most nights and was on all night last night, the 26th Z. The WSPR transmissions are identified per our license every 30 minutes at about 30 WPM at the end of a WSPR transmission. 73 Bob WD2XSH/37 W1XP ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyer Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=cap8B4e7ap2XKdIYzj2QRAAAJ1D5rfaR-77IPsUFbn2LcZ2XAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAiFgAAAAA= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de04.mx.aol.com (rly-de04.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.140]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE011-4ca4b2a6ae0e5; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:31:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE041-4ca4b2a6ae0e5; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:31:14 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLK7h-0008Pu-4d for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:26:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLK7g-0008Pl-LR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:26:44 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLKA3-0005uC-S3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:29:14 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBHGWPgW024863 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:32:25 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:29:39 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:29:43 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACD0@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <1542517694@web.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: Optic cable distributor Thread-Index: Acp++B8Jzn2WEexHSViGaZpHUhgwVAAQVqEQ From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.629;17.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.17.171532 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA7F3E.82F94EF9" Subject: LF: Optic cable distributor X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7F3E.82F94EF9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF Group,=20 Thanks for your statements and ideas! Horst/DO1KHS asked about the cable. The type of cable I use is CWKF-1001E22 that can be ordered e.g. at cunz electronis distributor. I just had a telephone contact to the boss of this company and asked, if= just commercial customers or also private customers can order the cable= there. He told me, that even private customers can order there and he eve= n would sell short lengths of this wire (even less then 20m in a bundle).= One meter costs just 0,7 Euro. It is possible to order in English or Fren= ch language but not in Chinese, he said ;-). He gave me the email address= dc@cunz.de for ordering. =20 Please, if anyone tries the optic way, please let me know about the succes= s. It would interest me very much. =20 73, 55 de Stefan / DK7FC =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von Horst St=F6cker Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. Dezember 2009 10:02 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signal= s ... What type of cable do you suggest? I do not think, my TOS-Link cable would= stand weather/UV and mechanical conditions outside for a long time. =20 Horst DO1KHS ___________________________________________________________ Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.!=20 http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7F3E.82F94EF9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear LF Group,

Thanks for your statemen= ts and ideas!

Horst/DO1KHS asked about= the cable.

The type of cable I use= is CWKF-1001E= 22 that can be ordered e.g. at cunz electronis distributor.

I just had a telephone= contact to the boss of this company and asked, if just commercial customers or also priva= te customers can order the cable there. He told me, that even private custome= rs can order there and he even would sell short lengths of this wire (even le= ss then 20m in a bundle). One meter costs just 0,7 Euro. It is possible to or= der in English or French language but not in Chinese, he said ;-). He gave me= the email address dc@cunz.de for ordering.

 

Please, if anyone tries= the optic way, please let me know about the success. It would interest me very much.=

 

73, 55 de Stefan / DK7FC=

 

-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Horst St=F6cker=
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. Dezember 2009 10:02
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: LF: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signal= s

...

What type of cable do yo= u suggest? I do not think, my TOS-Link cable would stand weather/UV and mechanical conditions outside for a long time.

 

Horst DO1KHS

____________________________________= _______________________

Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f= =FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.!

http://produkte.web.de/go/02/=

 

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7F3E.82F94EF9-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc10.mx.aol.com (rly-mc10.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.94]) by air-mc05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC051-d9f4b2804e83c5; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:51:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC107-d9f4b2804e83c5; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:51:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKfG6-0002PZ-Fj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:48:42 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKfG5-0002PQ-RM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:48:41 +0000 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKfHx-0006rW-JP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:50:38 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.3]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091215214532.PNLH17277.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:45:32 +0000 Received: from [82.26.120.108] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKfD1-0004St-MI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:45:32 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <04ca01ca7dcd$e71410a0$0417aac0@desktop> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:45:27 -0000 Message-ID: <04d301ca7dcf$eab20d00$0417aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: Acp9zeayNskmqfUrRk6Bua0bP04LGgAAdOzA In-Reply-To: <04ca01ca7dcd$e71410a0$0417aac0@desktop> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=8RloEfZUAAAA:8 a=nJdGHDPwl77GVxsNtTMA:9 a=E2TpBwZUbzPbb4OiQZkA:7 a=fQ9lCkifbjbyzcPg5KCOlROvqcEA:4 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=O58u2wXj750A:10 a=JfA1svaPwnsGXBFX:21 a=zlBMvVaXJjPz8rYW:21 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=1A44qm0mfRQwOC48c-EA:7 a=st3-fs-lFruiNXI54P4FAXuJiKgA:4 a=LgZc3ekxDxFcpjSp:21 a=rUAbt64eUfdUmy4M:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: G3LDO also booming in Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_04D4_01CA7DCF.EAB20D00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_04D4_01CA7DCF.EAB20D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter G3LDO was also 579 with me too at 21.40z, first for me on Rx. From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of James Cowburn Sent: 15 December 2009 21:31 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: G7NKS running RTTY beacon on 501.5 until midnight Dear LF, I am running a RTTY beacon on 501.5KHz on 10 min cycles from now until at least midnight Thanks for any reports Jim G7NKS p.s. Gus' CW beacon is 579 with me in IO92UB tonight, lovely sigs E james.cowburn@virgin.net ------=_NextPart_000_04D4_01CA7DCF.EAB20D00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Peter G3LDO was= also 579 with me too at 21.40z, first for me on Rx.

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org [mailto:owner-= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of James Cowburn
Sent: 15 December 2009= 21:31
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: G7NKS runn= ing RTTY beacon on 501.5 until midnight

 

Dear LF,

 

I am running a RTTY beacon on 501.5KHz= on 10 min cycles from now until at least midnight

 

Thanks for any reports

 

Jim G7NKS

 

p.s. Gus’ CW beacon is 579 with= me in IO92UB tonight, lovely sigs

 

E james.cowburn@virgin.net

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_04D4_01CA7DCF.EAB20D00-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.84]) by air-di08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI081-eb664b2682ef17a; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:24:47 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 923F23801B035; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:53:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKF4P-0005h0-Tq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:50:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKF4P-0005gr-IH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:50:53 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKF5O-0006oj-83 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:51:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 27242 invoked by uid 507); 14 Dec 2009 18:51:22 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2009 18:51:22 +0100 Message-ID: <200912141851290399.0E3514C6@smtp2.numeo.fr> In-Reply-To: <1260449921.6353.77.camel@vaio3rd> References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <20091210100700.32DEC31E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <1260444821.6353.65.camel@vaio3rd> <1260449921.6353.77.camel@vaio3rd> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:51:29 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40544b267b972df9 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 May I add a somewhat late comment about this product, please? It seems to me that there are several different requirements for a transmi= tter for 136 kHz, depending upon what any individual needs. Being able to= generate 1 kW is not always necessary. One thing that struck me about th= is unit is that the power level can be varied over a considerable range.= When setting up an antenna and its connection to the feed line, it is ve= ry useful to start with low power (hence low voltage) so as not to stress= the various components unnecessarily. One thing I like about this unit is that it can be used for ordinary hand-= sent CW. Presumably QRSS would not be a problem. Also, can this rig be= used for some of the more sophisticated modes? I do not think I have a= complete set of the e-mails of this thread. Please will someone enlighte= n me. Thanks. 73 John Rabson=20 F5VLF 58800 Cervon France JN17vg From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG042-a1f4b31b5e52ae; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 01:17:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG071-a1f4b31b5e52ae; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 01:17:11 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNKVd-0008MR-38 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 06:15:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNKVc-0008MI-N1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 06:15:44 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNKVZ-0002zL-Q1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 06:15:44 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 23 Dec 2009 06:15:34 -0000 Received: from p5DC43461.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.196.52.97] by mail.gmx.net (mp052) with SMTP; 23 Dec 2009 07:15:34 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/l+NRRnefl9PvltzwavOTkPKpDqk3CKAJlIelM+G ss3p/1MsXaJn+I Message-ID: <001a01ca8397$56623ee0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <8bf118410912220547m5e4d0e60o527fcb87c62010d9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 07:15:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.67,0.66 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: LF: WSPR:Good TA conds on MF last night Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01CA839F.B6115B70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01CA839F.B6115B70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LF, I had several WSPR loggings like these last night. 6251km is my personal record. 2009-12-23 00:20 WD2XSH/17 0.503890 +5 0 FN42pb 10 DL4RAJ JN68kj 6251 53 2009-12-23 00:16 WD2XSH/17 0.503890 +4 0 FN42pb 10 DL4RAJ JN68kj 6251 53 Best Christmas wishes to all. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01CA839F.B6115B70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
LF,
 
I had several WSPR loggings like thes= e last=20 night.

EOM

 

With best regards=

 Jim

6251km is my personal record.<= /DIV>
 
 2009-12-23 00:20   WD2XSH/17   0.503890   +5   0   FN42pb   10   DL4RAJ   JN68kj   6251   53 
 2009-12-23 00:16   WD2XSH/17   0.503890   +4   0   FN42pb   10   DL4RAJ   JN68kj   6251   53
 
Best Christmas wishes to all.<= /DIV>
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01CA839F.B6115B70-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma02.mx.aol.com (rly-ma02.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.46]) by air-ma09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA091-8904b1d9bf41a7; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 19:21:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA022-8904b1d9bf41a7; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 19:21:09 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHnoU-0004FD-9S for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 00:20:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHnoT-0004F4-RM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 00:20:21 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHnoR-0008Cx-Gl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 00:20:21 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so4275373bwz.4 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:20:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=MvtHn5c+J9e+Ofw1qDSXX9d0F8KiqnKSRvPNlxvw0oU=; b=Z4qoJSDDoW4ZOmZuttoHnKCjcic/LgMcTdTQyYSwP0X5rtr/tBlbrNAK2nD42cNraK 5XzDPao+/+uGJBjT76/9Hx0XC7xqZ4qKNsCA85YnAFdJXdG5073shT+Dtey3AQRpPieu FCks1kMkBYZCJ+hOft2ukOAwJfxrE+6D9nwH4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=paY4QM+bS41lMtpdvA5KRQVFcbjjjAzwkYxHyraq5wgHLQHO1Sm+T6JHlwv3vwDAj0 U3sDJmVMObt9CJyJQb46HFADgMbKRYaaVnKYyhyAzvNxBmi3janBbXonNFO1upJBRWlI shkXaBB069fpGLvLJYFh4i97g82oOhPsqj3hk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.36.197 with SMTP id u5mr8034454bkd.81.1260231613628; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:20:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 00:20:13 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2640912071620w15cb02c8t1e7303fd15e57b65@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555771eaa8750047a2c89de X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d235.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555771eaa8750047a2c89de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear All, My WSPR tx up-converter has now been modified to a *full TX/RX tranverter*suitable for WSPR, QRSS and CW in a *very* simple way, making use of the FT817 split facility which allows you to RX on 500kHz and TX on 28MHz. By adding a series LC between the TX PA and the FT817 input/output RF connection (with back-to-back diodes at the L and C junction, this allows "pass through" from the 500kHz ATU to the FT817 on RX (tuned to 500kHz). On TX, the diodes conduct and the C part is in parallel with the first cap in the TX low pass filter. This scheme is now working really well with good RX sensitivity and no change in TX power out. Schematic of the transverter is on my blog at http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/. My attempt to add it as an attachment to an email here earlier failed. This more or less concludes my 500kHz experimenting, apart from getting a few more CW QSOs in the log. It's been great fun all the way with lots of support from folks here. I was going to try 136kHz, but think I will now give this a miss for now. 73s Roger G3XBM -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555771eaa8750047a2c89de Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear All,

My WSPR tx up-converter has now been modified to a ful= l TX/RX tranverter suitable for WSPR, QRSS and CW=A0 in a very= simple way, making use of the FT817 split facility which allows you to RX on 500kHz and TX on 28MHz. By adding a series LC between the TX PA and the FT817 input/output RF connection (with back-to-back diodes at the L and C junction, this allows "pass throug= h" from the 500kHz ATU to the FT817 on RX (tuned to 500kHz). On TX, the diodes conduct and the C part is in parallel with the first cap in the TX low pass filter. This scheme is now working really well with good RX sensitivity and no change in TX power out.

Schematic of the transve= rter is on my blog at http://g3= xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ . My attempt to add it as an attachment to an em= ail here earlier failed.

This more or less concludes my 500kHz experimenting, apart from gettin= g a few more CW QSOs in the log. It's been great fun all the way with= lots of support from folks here. I was going to try 136kHz, but think I= will now give this a miss for now.

73s
Roger G3XBM
--
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http://= g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://w= ww.g3xbm.co.uk
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088
--00032555771eaa8750047a2c89de-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.12]) by air-ma10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA101-b53c4b2805c5183; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:55:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0AC703800010A; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:55:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKfJm-0002bG-6I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:52:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKfJl-0002b6-QF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:52:29 +0000 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKfLJ-0000Ez-3E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:54:07 +0000 thread-index: Acp90SXCO8j4TxmaQIyx96fGQU7omg== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 X-SPAM-FLAG: NO Received: from ([127.0.0.1]) with MailEnable ESMTP; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:54:15 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Gus" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:54:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-CHK: uvtcmail.se X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: SM6BHZ strong in HB9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA7DD9.851E6F60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600c4b2805c24869 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA7DD9.851E6F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Toni and LF, thanks report and info. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ www.sm6bhz.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Anton B=E4rtschi=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 8:13 PM Subject: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9 The SM6BHZ Beacon on 600m is 579 here tonight. Not bad for 3W.=20 Why WSPR when CW works fine? What a wonderfull band! 73 de Toni, HB9ASB ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA7DD9.851E6F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Toni and LF,
 
thanks report and info.
 
73 de Gus SM6BHZ<= /DIV>
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Anton= B=E4rtschi=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 15,= 2009 8:13=20 PM
Subject: LF: SM6BHZ strong in= HB9

The SM6BHZ Beacon on 600m is 579 here tonight. Not ba= d for 3W.=20
Why WSPR when CW works fine? What a wonderfull band!
73 de To= ni,=20 HB9ASB
------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA7DD9.851E6F60-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from Black (g229182214.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.229.182.214]) by cia-dc08.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC084-ab8b4b257caf24d; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:45:52 -0500 Message-ID: <47E8873B5C254CA9A406AA345E229ED6@Black> From: "Markus Vester" To: Subject: WSPR 2.0 samplerate Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:45:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01CA7C56.C87FC990" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-AOL-IP: 92.229.182.214 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CA7C56.C87FC990 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF, I have recently installed WSPR 2.0 on one older XP machine and found that d= ecodes were erratic, and the frequency readout was about 10 Hz high. The re= ason seems to be that the input samplerate is about 0.6 % low. The output s= amplerate is however correct. The strange thing is that this samplerate error was not present with the fo= rmer version 1.12. I now have the two versions running simultaneously side = by side, on the same machine with the same soundcard. WSPR 1.12 is producin= g perfect decodes on the correct frequency, whereas 2.0 reproducibly shows = the described effects. It looks like the new version somehow accesses the s= oundcard differently. Has anybody else experienced this? Best 73, Markus, DF6NM ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CA7C56.C87FC990 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear LF,
 
I have recently installed WSPR 2.0 on one = older XP=20 machine and found that decodes were erratic, and the frequen= cy=20 readout was about 10 Hz high. The reason seems to be that the input=20 samplerate is about 0.6 % low. The output samplerate is however=20 correct.
 
The strange thing is that this samplerate = error was=20 not present with the former version 1.12. I now have the two versions=20 running simultaneously side by side, on the same machine with the same=20 soundcard. WSPR 1.12 is producing perfect decodes on the correct frequ= ency,=20 whereas 2.0 reproducibly shows the described effects. It looks like the new version somehow accesses the sou= ndcard=20 differently.
 
Has anybody else experienced this?<= /DIV>
 
Best 73,
Markus, DF6NM
 
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CA7C56.C87FC990-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me04.mx.aol.com (rly-me04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.38]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME041-9b34b1f5bb9361; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 03:11:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME047-9b34b1f5bb9361; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 03:11:38 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIHcm-0008T4-T6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:10:16 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIHcm-0008Sv-1r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:10:16 +0000 Received: from mbox1.netikka.net ([213.250.81.202]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIHck-0005hp-8t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:10:15 +0000 Received: from tupu.netikka.net (tupu [172.16.83.90]) by mbox1-feedback.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82D6027170F for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 10:10:08 +0200 (EET) Received: from imp1.netikka.net (imp1.netikka.net [213.250.85.154]) by tupu.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68B404B005F for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 10:10:08 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imp1.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A3D9495BB1 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 10:10:08 +0200 (EET) Received: from proxy.wartsila.com (proxy.wartsila.com [194.251.142.28]) by imp.netikka.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:10:08 +0200 Message-ID: <1260346208.4b1f5b607631a@imp.netikka.net> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:10:08 +0200 From: Paul-Henrik To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1260202597.4b1d2a65f3b5c@imp.netikka.net> <006d01ca785c$c99a08c0$3ab27cbc@ap6fnsa53r3k6h> In-Reply-To: <006d01ca785c$c99a08c0$3ab27cbc@ap6fnsa53r3k6h> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 194.251.142.28 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Broadcast audio splatter on 136kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) LF Marcin, Jacek , Alan, Victor Thank you all for your kind input and advice. I'm still investigating the= causes of this problem. I chose to sum up my comments in one reply: >Paul-Henrik gave two frequencies: 171kHz and 225kHz (i can't see how they >can give around 135.4kHz via mixing, so there is probably a third station >involved). I also couldn't find any logical relationship in these two frequencies. I'= ve been hunting "duplicates" of the programmes running on 171 and 225 kHz and= for 171 kHz I have found at least two duplicates in the MW-band. One is 135 kH= z above the very strong 630 kHz (but 630 kHz audio is not present in the pha= ntom signal and this could theoretically be one reason). However, for the stron= ger phantom signal similar to the audio on 225kHz I have not found any other frequencies. Is there a remote possibility for 3 x 225 kHz -/+ 135 kHz to generate a mixing product with fully intelligeble audio of the 225 kHz sig= nal on 135 kHz? >Hi Paul-Henrik, You could be right about it being ICM (or "luxembourg eff= ect" >on Lakihegy. If so you should hear or see the "telegrams that Lakihegy se= nds >on the "splatter as well. If it is ICM (Ionosphereic Cross Modulation) th= en >the BC "victim" is probably on approximately the same bearing as Lakihegy= and >not more than 20 30 degrees off line. It is possible that other in differ= enct >areas may hear a different BC station I don't recognize the Lakihegy telegrams riding on the "splatter". Perhaps= my usage of the term splatter is incorrect here, after all it is the high frequencies of the USB signal I'm hearing. Lakihegy and 225kHz do line up= quite well as seen from here. > I forwarded my friends engineers from Solec Kujawski about your problem. This is very kind of you. However I hope they understand there are no hard= facts at this moment pointing to a fault at their end. >same situation here,also on a passive T ant and tunable bandfilter with >different receivers,not very strong.. Victor, do you specifically hear the same BC-source(s) as I do? BR Paul-Henrik, OH1LSQ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (rly-dc07.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.36]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC041-b2f4b17d8ea1d9; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:27:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC073-b2f4b17d8ea1d9; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:27:39 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGDZt-0002Qj-HR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:26:45 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGDZt-0002Qa-3s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:26:45 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate05.web.de ([217.72.192.243]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGDZq-0006Bf-P3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:26:45 +0000 Received: from web.de by fmmailgate05.web.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D9715CDE232 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 16:26:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from [88.77.215.144] by freemailng2503.web.de with HTTP; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 16:26:36 +0100 Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 16:26:36 +0100 Message-Id: <1516926426@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?iso-8859-15?Q?Horst_St=F6cker?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-Provags-Id: V01U2FsdGVkX19pEt94A7Z49hCWs0QaTPGIe91Q2069nzDPbIHT0iaT1W611 cfT3M99krDDwvBEbWvB1cNEoJ8l5+orVyR6zNaPTFi+onLEku+aoxcDz52JD g== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: QRM by the Waterfall Display Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello all, still preparing for 136 kHz and 500 kHz RECEPTION I installed a T-Antenna= (about 10m high with a 20m wire as top) to my selective level meter mv-62= . DCF 37 as reference is more than strong enough. WRW (NDB Wrozlaw) was hear= d on 525 kHz, some other NDB too. But usually the weak HAM signals in this= bands can not be heard/seen because of too much QRM. One of the ugliest QRM sources is the waterfall display of ARGO which can= be heard much to loud. The QRM is really HF, not a problem of the soundcard. I have Siemens Thinkpad Laptop. Does anyone know this effect?? Horst ____________________________________________________________________ Sarah Kreuz, die DSDS-Siegerin der Herzen, mit ihrem eindrucksvollen Deb=FCtalbum "One Moment in Time". http://produkte.web.de/go/05/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME044-9c54b244c9a73; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:08:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME071-9c54b244c9a73; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:08:28 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJdrb-0005hZ-2V for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 02:07:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJdra-0005hQ-NK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 02:07:10 +0000 Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com ([64.12.100.31]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJdrn-0003jC-5L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 02:07:25 +0000 Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nBD27Aqf015480 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:07:10 -0500 Received: from F4DTL@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.d20.5f785a31 (14457) for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:07:08 -0500 (EST) From: F4DTL@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:02:10 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5029 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: F4DTL@aol.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: WE2XGR/6 loud and clear in F on 507.2kHz Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_d20.5f785a31.3855a522_boundary" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --part1_d20.5f785a31.3855a522_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1260669729" -------------------------------1260669729 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Loud signal here...CW beacon F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP RX : Icom IC7400 Ant: Wellbrook LFL 1010 -------------------------------1260669729 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Loud signal here...CW beacon
 
F4DTL=20 Nicolas JN18FP

RX : Icom IC7400
Ant: Wellbrook LFL=20 1010

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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 19:18:17 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: TX-2200A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163600d8b691e0bb047a508d7d X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d299.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00163600d8b691e0bb047a508d7d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To quote the data sheet : "*The TX-2200A * *lets you turn the clock back and explore long waves,* *but with technology that the early pioneers could not* *even dream of. In a package around the same size as* *many transceivers this little gem of engineering will* *provide up to 100 Watts of output power.*" With a CW only option and if it really is a VFO, resulting poor stability its just an appalingingly ludicrous joke. And anyone buying such just deserves the contempt they'll get using it. LF was alwatys considered to be the last bastion of real homebrew and experiimentation. Rant over. But kudos to the manufacturer if they can exploit the gullible :-) I wonder if its a rip-off of any designs published in the open literature here There have been quite a few 100 Watt 137 transmitters weblicised -= who will be the first to claim his copyright infringements. My 700 Watt Class D Tx http://www.g4jnt.com/137tx.pdf probably would cost in the region of =A330 - =A340 buying most of the components, but wit= hout the DDS driver. Never really priced it as new - everything came from the junkbox. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police 2009/12/9 Warren Ziegler : > Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 > Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver > muting. > Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! > > http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf > > > > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > --00163600d8b691e0bb047a508d7d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To quote the data sheet :
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"The TX-2200A
lets you turn the clock back and explore long waves,
but with technology that the early pioneers could not
even dream of. In a package around the same size as
many transceivers this little gem of engineering will
provide up to 100 Watts of output power."
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With a CW only option and if it really is a VFO, resulting poor stabi= lity =A0its just an appalingingly ludicrous joke. =A0 And anyone buying su= ch just deserves the contempt they'll get using it.
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LF was alwatys considered to be the last bastion of real homebrew and= experiimentation.
Rant over.
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But kudos to the manufacturer if they can exploit the gullible :-)=A0= =A0=A0 I wonder if its a rip-off of any designs published in the open lite= rature here=A0 There have been quite a few 100 Watt 137 transmitters=A0web= licised - who will be the first to claim his copyright infringements.
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My 700 Watt Class D Tx=A0=A0 =A0http://www.g4jnt.com/137tx.pdf=A0 probably would cost in the reg= ion of =A330 - =A340 buying most of the components, but without the DDS dr= iver.=A0 Never really priced it as new -=A0everything came from the junkbo= x.
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Andy
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2009/12/9 Warren Ziegler <wd2x= gj@gmail.com>:
> Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A= 100
> Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiv= er
> muting.
> Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP!
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> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WE2XEB/2
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--00163600d8b691e0bb047a508d7d-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da08.mx.aol.com (rly-da08.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.82]) by air-da07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA071-a834b22a03c69; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:40:59 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA083-a834b22a03c69; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:40:46 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJBKt-0001Jw-2x for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:39:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJBKs-0001Jn-O4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:39:30 +0000 Received: from warsl404pip6.highway.telekom.at ([195.3.96.89] helo=email.aon.at) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJBKs-0002wk-3K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:39:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 28259 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2009 19:39:24 -0000 Received: from 188-23-78-30.adsl.highway.telekom.at (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([188.23.78.30]) (envelope-sender ) by smarthub96.highway.telekom.at (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 11 Dec 2009 19:39:23 -0000 From: Gerhard Hickl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <14D807D90C0B0D1D3365@kabelmail.de> References: <14D807D90C0B0D1D3365@kabelmail.de> Disposition-Notification-To: gerhard.hickl@aon.at Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:39:23 +0100 Message-ID: <1260560363.3549.2.camel@gerhard-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: QRH Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Uwe! You're right.....but if you don't open the window once a while it becomes very sticky inside...right? cheers from Austria es AWDH OE§GHB Am Freitag, den 11.12.2009, 14:29 +0000 schrieb Uwe Jannsen: > Hi all, > I guess the window of the shack has been opened. > pse see: > > http://dj8wx-dl.de/capt211 > > regards > Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.15]) by air-di08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI084-eb694b38f94d6f; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:30:37 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B9D143800017A; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:30:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPKLT-0006WF-9Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:29:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPKLS-0006W6-Rx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:29:30 +0000 Received: from smtpa1.mediabeam.com ([194.25.41.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPKLQ-0007rL-6u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:29:30 +0000 Received: from r300-1 (balancer4.mediabeam.com [194.25.41.40]) by smtpa1.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nBSITKUS024280 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 19:29:20 +0100 From: "uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de" To: Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 19:29:16 Message-ID: <1B6007D90C1C121D10304@kabelmail.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-PRIORITY: 3 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,INVALID_DATE=1.76 Subject: Re: LF: CPM, WX 28/12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600f4b38f94c6650 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Andrey, thanks for the capt. in addition I did see the signs on your grabber. have fun, Andrey and GL. Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv -------- Kabel E-Mail Reply --------------- From: rn3agc@mail.ru To : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: 28.12.2009 09:09:19 Hello Henny, Uwe, LF, capture last night: CPM at 2.20 WX at 2.50 73 Andrey From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (rly-mf04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.174]) by air-mf05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF053-9564b16cc911ce; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:22:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF044-9564b16cc911ce; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:22:42 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFvhk-0007Tr-Ms for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:21:40 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFvhk-0007Ti-4P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:21:40 +0000 Received: from warsl404pip1.highway.telekom.at ([195.3.96.112] helo=email.aon.at) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFvhi-0008Al-I9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:21:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 17980 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2009 20:21:31 -0000 Received: from 91-115-176-220.adsl.highway.telekom.at (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([91.115.176.220]) (envelope-sender ) by smarthub94.highway.telekom.at (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 2 Dec 2009 20:21:31 -0000 From: Gerhard Hickl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <254102CCC310104CA9DA9DA31EBD03CE02CEB57D58@exlnmb06.eur.nsroot.net> References: <254102CCC310104CA9DA9DA31EBD03CE02CEB57D58@exlnmb06.eur.nsroot.net> Disposition-Notification-To: gerhard.hickl@aon.at Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:21:31 +0100 Message-ID: <1259785291.3650.22.camel@gerhard-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: OE3GHB on 137KHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Servus Marco! Thank you for you report. My TX makes about 35W of antenna-input and I modified the RX/TX switching today. The purpose of this test was to find out if there are any "clicks" or some other sort of bad signals present in the transmission. I looked at DF6NM, but there my signal was hardly visible today. On the other hand I was very well visible on the grabber of SQ5BPF in Warsaw. I just discussed this issue with OE5ODL, Ossi. Anyways, thank you again for you report. AWDH es 73 de OE3GHB Gerhard Am Mittwoch, den 02.12.2009, 19:54 +0000 schrieb Scholz, Marco : > Hello, > Good copy of OE3GHB around 137.712KHz. > Weak copy of Mike, XDV on 136.310KHz. > > vy73 > Marco > DD7PC, JN49ax > FT857,Preamp and Miniwhip From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc05.mx.aol.com (rly-dc05.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.34]) by air-dc05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC054-b204b18078d143; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:46:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC054-b204b18078d143; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:46:39 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGGgQ-0003Ul-60 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:45:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGGgP-0003Uc-Q4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:45:41 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGGgP-0007VL-9L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:45:41 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 482C251C00C; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 19:45:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45535F3862; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 19:45:32 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 004C218056; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 19:45:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from 204.148-182-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (204.148-182-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [91.182.148.204]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:45:31 +0100 Message-ID: <20091203194531.or926chzk844g4k8@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:45:31 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" , Roelof Bakker References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B16987B.9000002@usa.net> <4B179DE6.3050608@usa.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 91.182.148.204 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Roelof, I cannot agree, a Belgian beer can will provide at least 10dB better SNR ;-) Now serious: I have been thinking about a simple but good RX antenna for LF, MF and the lower HF range and you mini-whip seems the right solution. But will the preamp survive when pumping a few 100W into my 500kHz TX antenna (lazy-L) that will be only 25m away ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Roelof Bakker : > Hello Alberto, > > I am not much in beer myself, but there seems to be a famous Dutch brand, > that I can recommend! > > 73, > Roelof, pa0rdt > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (rly-dg03.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.87]) by air-dg03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG033-5b44b36497638b; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 12:35:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG035-5b44b36497638b; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 12:35:52 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOaXC-0005te-Dw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:34:34 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOaXB-0005tV-W0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:34:34 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOaX9-0005O8-UK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:34:33 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE1F51C004 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:34:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53180F3862 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:34:16 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 7317A18056; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:34:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from 114.21-180-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (114.21-180-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [91.180.21.114]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:34:15 +0100 Message-ID: <20091226183415.2n58wvwb40w80440@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:34:15 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <6EFC885C8DAB4DC3A8454505BAF5D3A7@ns94d01ae4d850> <1261823989.6451.9.camel@vaio3rd> <1EE1D37E49A445A0A1CE9703C17EECCF@AGB> In-Reply-To: <1EE1D37E49A445A0A1CE9703C17EECCF@AGB> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 91.180.21.114 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beacon received at 503kHz. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Graham, Rick, Bob, I guess that when the CW id of a WSPR station is audible there should =20 be solid copy in WSPR. But, as mentioned by Bob, WSPR 2.0 was used to transmit the unusual =20 WD2XSH/37 callsign. I noticed that older version of WSPR do not copy =20 this properly, even when the signal is strong. I have been running WSPR2 and WSPR1.1 simultaniously for some days =20 (the first spotting as ON7YD the other as OR7T) and noticed that =20 WD2XSH/37 produced all kinds of odd messages with WSPR1.1. WSPR2 =20 decodes OK. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Graham : > Rick, > > Looks like wd2x .. was the station .. you can check what stations= are > operating at : http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/spots > > 2009-12-24 03:38 WD2XSH/37 0.503912 -26 0 FN42fo 2 ON7YD > JO20ix 5615 52 > > G.. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Rick Wakatori" <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> > Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 10:39 AM > To: > Subject: LF: "WA" beacon received at 503kHz. > >> >> Using WSPR, I heard "WA" beacon in CW or QRSS at around 503kHz. >> The signal was visible on the screen during last night. >> Please let me know the callsign and the QTH? >> Rick >> -- >> -.. . --... .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-. >> 7L1RLL under ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP) >> URL=3Dhttp://www1.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html >> -..--- -.- .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-... ...-. >> >> >> > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me01.mx.aol.com (rly-me01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.34]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME041-9984b2752a060; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 04:11:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME014-9984b2752a060; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 04:10:59 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKTO6-00089G-LE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:08:10 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKTO6-000897-2H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:08:10 +0000 Received: from psmtp12.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.24]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKTPe-00010t-5S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:09:48 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp12.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KUO001G0S40MN@psmtp12.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:09:37 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:09:27 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: : ra3yo 15-12.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_pXJQktUsQ6FhsKw6MBlfkg)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --Boundary_(ID_pXJQktUsQ6FhsKw6MBlfkg) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_fCwwHYJPtM5/50/qSgGRVg)" --Boundary_(ID_fCwwHYJPtM5/50/qSgGRVg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi LF, capture ra3yo henny pa3cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: ra3yo 15-12.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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<16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D437096EE5CE@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> References: <254102CCC310104CA9DA9DA31EBD03CE02CF20829E@exlnmb06.eur.nsroot.net> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB x-wiganss: 01000000010017exlnht01.eur.nsroot.net ID0044<16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D437096EE5CE@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 172.27.136.25 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: FW: Re: LF: Re: qso HB9ASB - DD7PC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D437096EE5CEexlnmb01eurns_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_000_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D437096EE5CEexlnmb01eurns_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hallo Toni, very happy! Vielen Dank f=FCr Sked und das QSO. Ging ganz ausgezeichnet. ebenfalls ein sch=F6nes Wcohenende vy73 Marco DD7PC ________________________________ From: Anton B=E4rtschi [mailto:hb9asb@gmail.com] Sent: 04 December 2009 20:42 To: Scholz, Marco [ICG-IT]; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: FW: Re: LF: Re: qso UFB lieber Marco, Danke f=FCr das QSO und ein sch=F6nes Wochenende. 73 de Toni 2009/12/3 Scholz, Marco > Hallo Toni, vielen Dank f=FCr den Sked. Ich bin mal gespannt. Wetter scheint ja mitzus= pielen. Gru=DF, vy73 Marco, DD7PC ________________________________ From: Anton B=E4rtschi [mailto:hb9asb@gmail.com] Sent: 03 December 2009 16:20 To: Scholz, Marco [ICG-IT]; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: Re: LF: Re: qso Hallo Marco Werde ab 20:00 MEZ in QRS3 CQ rufen und nach Dir Ausschau halten. Es w=FCr= de mich auch freuen, wenn's klappen w=FCrde. 73 de Toni, HB9ASB 2009/12/1 Scholz, Marco > Hallo Toni, Ich werde am Freitag auch QRV sein. Wuerde mich ueber ein QSO mit dir freu= en. Waere fuer mich das erste nach HB, aber mein Setup ist recht klein. Gruss, 73 Marco, DD7PC ________________________________ Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > An: Marcin >; rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org > Gesendet: Tue Dec 01 19:03:24 2009 Betreff: Re: LF: Re: qso Hello Marcin Yes, we will try it again. If WX is good, I will be QRV Friday Evening, pr= obably allready from 19:00 til 23:00 UTC. 73 de Toni 2009/11/30 Marcin > Hello Toni If you calling my I have QSO on DK8ND. I copied your twice transmiting CQ. Maybe have qso next friday? 73! Marcin Hello Marcin I've seen your signal in QRS10. It was quite strong. I called you, but probably my signal was too weak. May be we can make a QSO next weekend. 73 de Toni, HB9ASB 2009/11/24 Anton B=E4rtschi > Hello Marcin Yes, would be nice to make a first contact SP-HB9. As far as i know, it never took place. How abot this weekend, saturday or sunday? Have you ever seen my signal? Should we try it in QRS3 or QRS10? 73 de Toni, HB9ASB 2009/11/23 Marcin > Hello Toni Plise QSO on 136kHz. We have 1W EIRP and antenna 30m hight and 120m long. -- Vy 73! Marcin SQ2BXI (SP2KDS Team) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Internetowi nie placa! Otworz Konto Direct. Kliknij >> http://link.interia.pl/f2448 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Audi kilka tysiecy zlotych taniej? Przebieraj wsrod tysiecy ogloszen! Kliknij >>> http://link.interia.pl/f2424 --_000_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D437096EE5CEexlnmb01eurns_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hallo Toni,
very happy! Vielen Dank f=FCr Sked und da= s QSO. Ging ganz=20 ausgezeichnet.
 
ebenfalls ein sch=F6nes Wcohenende=
vy73
Marco
DD7PC

From: Anton B=E4rtschi [mailto:hb9asb@= gmail.com]=20
Sent: 04 December 2009 20:42
To: Scholz, Marco [ICG-I= T];=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: FW: Re: LF: Re:=20 qso

UFB lieber Marco, Danke f=FCr das QSO und ein sch=F6nes Wochene= nde.
73=20 de Toni

2009/12/3 Scholz, Marco <marco.scholz@citi.com>
= Hallo=20 Toni,
= vielen=20 Dank f=FCr den Sked. Ich bin mal gespannt. Wetter scheint ja=20 mitzuspielen.
 
= Gru=DF,=20 vy73
= Marco,=20 DD7PC
From: Anton B=E4rtschi [mailto:hb9asb@gmail.com]= =20
Sent: 03 December 2009 16:20
To: Scholz, Marco [ICG= -IT];=20 rsgb= _lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: Re: LF:=20 Re: qso

Hallo Marco
Werde ab 20:00 MEZ in QRS3 CQ rufen und nach= Dir=20 Ausschau halten. Es w=FCrde mich auch freuen, wenn's klappen w=FCrde.73 de=20 Toni, HB9ASB

2009/12/1 Scholz, Marco <marco.schol= z@citi.com>
Hallo Toni,
Ich werde= am Freitag=20 auch QRV sein. Wuerde mich ueber ein QSO mit dir freuen. Waere fuer mi= ch das=20 erste nach HB, aber mein Setup ist recht klein.
Gruss, 73
Marco= ,=20 DD7PC

Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org <owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>=
An:=20 Marcin <bxi= @interia.pl>; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_gro= up@blacksheep.org>
Gesendet: Tue=20 Dec 01 19:03:24 2009
Betreff: Re: LF: Re: qso=20

Hello Marcin
Yes, we will try it again. If WX= is=20 good, I will be QRV Friday Evening, probably allready from 19:00 til= 23:00=20 UTC.
73 de Toni

2009/11/30 Marcin <bxi@interia.pl><= /SPAN>
Hello=20 Toni
If you calling my I have QSO on DK8ND. I copied your twice= =20 transmiting CQ.
Maybe have qso next friday?
73! Marcin



Hello Marcin
I've seen your signal in QRS10. It= was=20 quite strong. I called you, but
probably my signal was too weak.= May be=20 we can make a QSO next weekend.
73 de Toni,=20 HB9ASB


2009/11/24 Anton B=E4rtschi <hb9asb@gmail.com>=

Hello Marcin
Yes, would=20 be nice to make a first contact SP-HB9. As far as i know, it
neve= r took=20 place. How abot this weekend, saturday or sunday? Have you ever
s= een my=20 signal? Should we try it in QRS3 or QRS10?
73 de Toni,=20 HB9ASB


2009/11/23 Marcin <bxi@interia.pl>

Hello Toni
= Plise QSO on=20 136kHz.
We have 1W EIRP and antenna 30m hight and 120m=20 long.
--
Vy 73!
Marcin SQ2BXI
(SP2KDS=20 Team)

-------------------------------------------------------= ---------------
Internetowi=20 nie placa! Otworz Konto Direct.
Kliknij >> http://link.inte= ria.pl/f2448


----------------------------------= ------------------------------------
Audi=20 kilka tysiecy zlotych taniej? Przebieraj wsrod tysiecy=20 ogloszen!
Kliknij >>> http://link.interia.pl/f2424



=

--_000_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D437096EE5CEexlnmb01eurns_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db08.mx.aol.com (rly-db08.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.83]) by air-db10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB101-adb4b194e34237; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:00:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB081-adb4b194e34237; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:00:22 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGcR8-0000un-JB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:59:22 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGcR8-0000ue-3w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:59:22 +0000 Received: from mailout11.t-online.de ([194.25.134.85]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGcR5-0007eO-Uj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:59:22 +0000 Received: from fwd09.aul.t-online.de by mailout11.t-online.de with smtp id 1NGcR4-0008AH-04; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:59:18 +0100 Received: from df2py (Gz92dQZArheYzsjTg7g5Hnzn9XYmbo6y7kAztpAvkiDCYjPzXRvE9vn3dHjeh-qQNl@[80.187.99.41]) by fwd09.t-online.de with esmtp id 1NGcQx-1NFz960; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 18:59:11 +0100 From: "Wolf Ostwald" To: References: <000a01ca74ff$163eb010$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB49@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 19:00:57 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB49@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: Acp0/+yNaiqZzgGlSBCmQsvim/kdtQAB9XZQAADdbCA= X-ID: Gz92dQZArheYzsjTg7g5Hnzn9XYmbo6y7kAztpAvkiDCYjPzXRvE9vn3dHjeh-qQNl X-TOI-MSGID: c36095d7-4690-479f-8377-d76de1fbc389 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: AW: AW: FUSE TEST Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01CA7514.1FC94400" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN, HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01CA7514.1FC94400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi LF/MF gang ! Best bet is to use semiconductors or tubes that outlive the power supply used ! Americans call this the NFA approach. It keeps stuff out of trouble. 73 de wolf ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01CA7514.1FC94400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi= LF/MF gang !

Bes= t bet is to use semiconductors or tubes that outlive the power supply used !

Ame= ricans call this the NFA approach. It keeps stuff out of trouble.<= /p>

73= de wolf

 

------=_NextPart_000_003F_01CA7514.1FC94400-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df05.mx.aol.com (rly-df05.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.18]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF041-5524b1e30fd30d; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 05:57:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF057-5524b1e30fd30d; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 05:57:02 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHxjT-0005UN-Jc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:55:51 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHxjT-0005UE-3R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:55:51 +0000 Received: from web86508.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.133]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHxjR-0006Vm-2v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:55:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 2113 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Dec 2009 10:55:43 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1260269743; bh=P4qnnEpU3NC2bGb0rYZXxa3FlIvUxMDAExHiQhoIG7U=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BOwMlWYfkzRk+afy0qLEHd3VHY9MTrrUhvmMnnKMjIa8jeJmEIaEkZSmFbxemRvXkMMMo4rH5zFN3v1wxYrG3SVPDrvpcaMI+oLImJoc29qlHzyJ3zpG18glcmg5+TpGMSQH/l2usZCdKJ9DhdQB8d3VhQi0JIRU8FNNpTS4iSc= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=339AYL/YI03M4DzCn55iSvkYxpGgCozVGX3YFlEQ3gZZWZ7IDlfIhiJt4pome82D5nhvbumMO0xA9Z1yKuIY8f331QkSw1lS0xb4mlCBxxnixIfEOiwgrNaGYV0uGYIznxwBlQrSn0I5cGJdRkugyhNHjUCkFUx9LM+Gid38m3w=; Message-ID: <463194.1134.qm@web86508.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 9NagoW0VM1l_K.2EHtF.t6FKaEGgk8EEjlMDao95low3MS6SYFsicMfPVpZfdHTstKS24w8Ppq0TD.7ndnfIGtHoHIoUkjGtS0FIT1xNOFtgTuRJu390MVqLkZ76c_3UrU9MUv5.8mcRItnXnKP7FsmfOFmHtA2TEvTz5RYXdTCfd.49NPLKOWdJYBbpeEfEtDK0ezvscmmpkaEVU5w9HmkRWzVKVYOMYo20RPvp4KbA9IYOzyV7UZ0uuu9N5SRv1hPo7UrzNFIYStRNVM8RWHLzBrdmhM2i4CFZp5HopekIysnprjW.kKilA0Ch1rGdbwS0ci1hEO5Qpn_pfGhoI4pXEzfvVccojo0- Received: from [213.122.17.94] by web86508.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:55:43 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:55:43 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Broadcast audio splatter on 136kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m275.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass Hi Janek, yes I agree a long fence wire and a local high power station wou= ld be enough for that. Also the lack of any obvious mixing association and= the closeness to Lakihegy do push ideas in the direction of ICM. It will= be interesting to see if Paul-Henrik can tie it down. Best Wishes Alan G3NYK --- On Tue, 8/12/09, Jacek Lipkowski wrote: > From: Jacek Lipkowski > Subject: Re: LF: Broadcast audio splatter on 136kHz > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Tuesday, 8 December, 2009, 9:06 > Hi Alan >=20 > Just like you said - i have no personal expierience with > the "rusty bolt" effect on LF/MF, and am extrapolating HF > ideas down to LF :) Hypotheticaly speaking the structure > size to get enough voltage into a metal-metal oxide junction > is not that great. A metal fence >100m long should be > enough for local signals. >=20 > Paul-Henrik gave two frequencies: 171kHz and 225kHz (i > can't see how they can give around 135.4kHz via mixing, so > there is probably a third station involved). These could be > Radio Russia from Kaliningrad (600kW) and Warsaw 1 from > Solec Kujawski (1MW). Obviously the two are not local to > him, so ICM might be probable (the "rusty bolt in the sky" > :). >=20 > VY 73 >=20 > Jacek / SQ5BPF >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de11.mx.aol.com (rly-de11.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.147]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE053-5144b1a709f1c3; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 09:39:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de11.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE115-5144b1a709f1c3; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 09:39:28 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGvlp-0006jt-RI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 14:38:01 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGvlp-0006jk-55 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 14:38:01 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGvln-00055a-54 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 14:38:01 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap4EANv+GUtZ8Il8/2dsb2JhbACODwbGbIQzBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,346,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="141514048" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.240.137.124]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 05 Dec 2009 14:37:52 +0000 Message-ID: <001401ca75b8$83c41b20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 14:37:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: LF/MF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01CA75B8.83755EE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01CA75B8.83755EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone active now on LF or MF Mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01CA75B8.83755EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anyone active now on LF or MF<= /DIV>
Mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0011_01CA75B8.83755EE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df02.mx.aol.com (rly-df02.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.15]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF033-5314b30bd501e4; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 07:36:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF024-5314b30bd501e4; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 07:36:34 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NN3rT-0005wd-OD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:29:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NN3rT-0005wU-Cc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:29:11 +0000 Received: from mail.cz.gmc.net ([77.48.211.230]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NN3w6-0005LV-Un for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:34:01 +0000 Received: from Lenovo (192.168.100.32) by dove.gmc.net (192.168.47.18) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.1.393.1; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 13:34:49 +0100 Message-ID: From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Petr_Mal=FD?= To: Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 13:34:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-EsetScannerBuild: 6255 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: QOA? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_042F_01CA830B.88992FE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_042F_01CA830B.88992FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lowfers, I looked for some Q-codes recently and one of them struck my eyes. Do you know what QOA means? It means "can you/I can work telegraphy on 500kHz". 73 and have a nice X-mass, Petr, OK1FIG __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus sig= nature database 4708 (20091222) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ------=_NextPart_000_042F_01CA830B.88992FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Lowfers,
 
I looked for some Q-codes recently an= d one of them=20 struck my eyes.
Do you know what QOA means?
It means "can you/I can work telegrap= hy on=20 500kHz".
 
73 and have a nice X-mass, Petr,=20 OK1FIG


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------=_NextPart_000_042F_01CA830B.88992FE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me02.mx.aol.com (rly-me02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.35]) by air-me02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME022-9a44b2bde441b2; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:56:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME028-9a44b2bde441b2; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:55:50 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLiqb-0005dy-Ms for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:50:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLiqb-0005dp-8M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:50:45 +0000 Received: from mailout08.t-online.de ([194.25.134.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLitV-0006Pl-Dm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:53:47 +0000 Received: from fwd03.aul.t-online.de by mailout08.t-online.de with smtp id 1NLiu3-00087M-01; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:54:19 +0100 Received: from e7010 (rI6xABZSZh81B0wyHtWNJdQRYRLcP5vnIO7OExx5zDflFBMkcwGwQJe+UJ7DeIpwqp@[84.147.213.78]) by fwd03.aul.t-online.de with smtp id 1NLitx-2DcQXw0; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:54:13 +0100 Message-ID: <00ab01ca801b$e68a5c20$6402a8c0@e7010> From: "Walter und Marianne Staubach" To: References: <2D2A7F4006D14FDA90FA57ECAEE27BDE@AGB> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:54:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-ID: rI6xABZSZh81B0wyHtWNJdQRYRLcP5vnIO7OExx5zDflFBMkcwGwQJe+UJ7DeIpwqp X-TOI-MSGID: 6a4812dc-c3a5-4696-a18b-70fc3dbc3615 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 2.3 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,EXTRA_MPART_TYPE=0.815,FUZZY_OCR_WRONG_CTYPE=1.500,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Band 501 to 504kHz in the Netherlands Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A7_01CA8024.48195C40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01CA8024.48195C40 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_00A8_01CA8024.48195C40" ------=_NextPart_001_00A8_01CA8024.48195C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Congrats to our friends in the Netherlands, too. And about CW and Data= ? I think there is no contrast. CW is one kind of Data ( system Morse= ), others are ASCII or PSK or...... As long as you stay within the= bandwidth - no problem. About the dykes - I think they are rich of minerals and salt - from th= e millions of sheep urinating. And therefore have good conductivity. But I am not sure :-) 73 Walter =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 6:54 PM Subject: LF: Band 501 to 504kHz in the Netherlands Band 501 to 504kHz in the Netherlands Starting on 1 January 2010, full licence holders in the Netherlands= can opt for permission to conduct experiments in the band 501 to 504k= Hz with a maximum power of 5W EIRP and a maximum bandwidth of 100Hz. =20 Q : Is this another intended to be CW .... but can do data if= it fits syndrome ?=20 =20 5 watts erp should provide reasonable signals considering the amo= unt of water about ( are the dykes fresh or salt?) =20 And there may also be a 500 Khz web-sdr radio running from Hol= land shortly as well .. outstanding system=20 =20 Congratulations on the new allocation ! =20 G ..=20 ------=_NextPart_001_00A8_01CA8024.48195C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Congrats to our friends in the Nether= lands, too.=20 And about CW and Data? I think there is no contrast. CW is one kind of= Data (=20 system Morse ), others are ASCII or PSK or......  As long as you= stay=20 within the bandwidth - no problem.
About the dykes - I think they are ri= ch of minerals=20 and salt - from the millions of sheep urinating. And therefore ha= ve good=20 conductivity.
But I am not sure :-)
73    Walter
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Sent: Friday, December 18, 20= 09 6:54=20 PM
Subject: LF: Band 501 to 504k= Hz in the=20 Netherlands

Band 501 to 504kHz in the= =20 Netherlands
Starting on= 1 January 2010, full licence holders in the=20 Netherlands can opt for permission to conduct experiments in the ban= d 501 to=20 504kHz with a maximum power of 5W EIRP and a maximum bandwidth of=20 100Hz.
 
Q : Is this another  intended= to be  CW=20 ....  but  can do data  if it  fits syndrom= e  ?=20
 
5 watts erp  should provide re= asonable =20 signals considering the  amount of water  about ( are = ;=20 the  dykes fresh or salt?)
 
And there may also  be = a 500 Khz=20  web-sdr   radio running  from Holland shortly  = as well ..=20 outstanding system
 
Congratulations on the  new&nb= sp; allocation=20 !
 
G ..=20


------=_NextPart_001_00A8_01CA8024.48195C40-- ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01CA8024.48195C40 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="spacer_line.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Location: http://www.rsgb.org/format/images/spacer_line.gif R0lGODlhAQAWAIAAAP///wAAACH5BAAAAAAALAAAAAABABYAAAIEhI+pUAA7 ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01CA8024.48195C40-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (rly-dd09.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.156]) by air-dd03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD034-b9c4b2512d92ca; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:14:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD096-b9c4b2512d92ca; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:14:19 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJr3s-0005OG-K0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:12:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJr3s-0005O7-7Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:12:44 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJr4M-0004om-7C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:13:16 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 13 Dec 2009 16:13:13 -0000 Received: from p5DD35FDD.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.211.95.221] by mail.gmx.net (mp002) with SMTP; 13 Dec 2009 17:13:13 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+XSphcDKqXlsNf/dAh9hHd32rEC8KiCtewG0B1xK ErxMBZQL4o0R2z Message-ID: <014901ca7c0f$2bedf850$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> <241919.87622.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9afca2640912130305r3acb5e5fs991caaa1115d2255@mail.gmail.com> <6E7638745A1B43168C402CDBB010C2A7@AGB> <007b01ca7c0c$167e7b00$0201a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:13:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.49 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: IK1HSS WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Now it's ok. I believe you just made a typo before: 136.420 instead of 136.240 for dial qrg. Ur sig was well visible in during the last transmission and will surely be decoded in the next one,now that I've adjusted everything. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ Loc:Sdostbayern,12,90006O/48,4150N (Gridloc:JN68KJ) Perseus mit K9AY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marco IK1ODO" To: Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 4:59 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: IK1HSS WSPR > At 16.50 13/12/2009, you wrote: >>Are you sure abt the frequencies? >>I think with "carrier" you mean the dial qrg,i.e. 136.420. >>If so, 137.740 is 80Hz below the wspr band. >> >>73 >>Clemens >>DL4RAJ > > Hello Clemens, > > the WSPR signal frequency is now 137.751 +/- 2 Hz - the dial should be 136.250 > I hate this "dial" way of specifying QRG :-) - Marco IK1HSS's signal > is on 137.751 for me. > > Is there a WSPR recommended sub-band? If I add 80 Hz to 137.740 I end > out of the band ... > > 73 - Marco IK1ODO > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG uberpruft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.716 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.105/2561 - Ausgabedatum: 12/12/09 20:39:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (rly-mg08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.114]) by air-mg09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG092-a2d4b2974e619a; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:02:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG087-a2d4b2974e619a; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:01:44 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NL3kp-0003jV-HG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:58:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NL3ko-0003jM-TE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:58:02 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NL3mr-0008WH-0c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:00:11 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBGNdxdf031422 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:39:59 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 01:00:33 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 01:00:36 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB7@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals; amendment Thread-Index: Acp+lxx/qujYoWOaRWimQ3vuSUXi+QADtvmw From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.627;16.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.16.234819 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA7EAB.F3ECD9C3" Subject: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals; amendment X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7EAB.F3ECD9C3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dave, LF,=20 Yes, a transverter would be an other possibility but it would be much more= complex I think, just when regarding the needed power (compared to a LED)= . And you would get new problems when you receive on a "new" frequency, e.= g. in the 2m band when there is another noise that is not coming from LF= ;-) =20 I have a further idea:=20 DL2CH, Hans-Hellmuth Cuno (who was even qrv on LF before some years) prese= nted a laser TRX in the CQDL (I think 2001). I have built this TRX and did= some fascinating tests with a simple laser diode out of a laser pointer.= I satisfactorily transmitted music/AF via the laser beam on a distance of= 200m without a noticeable quality loss.=20 Instead of a transmitting LED and fibre optic cable it should be possible= to transmit a LF signal via a laser beam to the shack. We could call it= a 2,2km/650nm transverter ;-) Let's imagine someone has a garden in a distance of 200m, perhaps on a hil= lside apart the city where no qrm is, but with a road between the house th= at makes it impossible to use a cable. So he could operate e.g. a grabber= to the internet from that clear region! Sure, if there is strong rain or= fog and so on, it will be difficult but that are all possibilities, one= could try without the need for much energy! I would try this with my lase= r TRX but there is no need for me (not yet) in the moment. As we know, there are existing internet links via laser beams since many= years...=20 Another word to the fibre optical transmission: Sure there are many method= s suppressing noise coming from the coax screen. The optical solution is= just one. But I think the advantage is, that this method decouples the pr= eamp from the RX for 100%, say with an attenuation of 1000000000000000 dB= (to come back for joking ;-) ). There is no need for choosing the right= core out of the right material and the right number of turns at both side= s of the right cable that is placed in the right way and so on and on. If= the optic method is used, this theme is just finished, just like the ques= tion "would it even be better when I apply 10 turns more or take 2 cores= and/or bury the coax 5m into the earth?"=20 Perhaps it's no so easy as I think but in the moment it seems to be a good= solution for me that is really working fine. GN or GM de Stefan/DK7FC =20 =20 73, Stefan =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von Dave G3WCB Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. Dezember 2009 22:27 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signal= s =20 Hello, Stefan. =20 This is very interesting. I have a MiniWhip on a pole some distance from= the house, and it seems that most of the interference (ADSL hash) seems= to be re-radiated by the coax outer and picked up by the antenna. =20 A relatively short optical link of one or two metres may still reduce the= pick-up, as it would break the "copper" connection to the antenna. =20 Alternatively, it might be possible to transvert the amplified LF signal= up to a vhf frequency and then set up a remote RX some distance away. =20 You could switch the power on and off by using a pressure switch from a di= scarded washing machine connected to the shack by a lenght of 6mm plastic= tubing. Apply slight positive pressure to turn on the antenna circuitry! =20 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E. England.=20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7EAB.F3ECD9C3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Dave, LF,

Yes, a transverter would= be an other possibility but it would be much more complex I think, just when regarding the needed powe= r (compared to a LED). And you would get new problems when you receive on a= “new” frequency, e.g. in the 2m band when there is another noise that is not com= ing from LF ;-)

 

I have a further idea:

DL2CH, Hans-Hellmuth Cuno= (who was even qrv on LF before some years) presented a laser= TRX in the CQDL (I think 2001). I have built this TRX and did some fascinating= tests with a simple laser diode out of a laser pointer. I satisfactorily transmi= tted music/AF via the laser beam on a distance of 200m without a noticeable quality loss= .

Instead of a transmitting= LED and fibre optic cable it should be possible to transmit a LF signal via a laser beam to th= e shack. We could call it a 2,2km/650nm transverter ;-)

Let’s imagine someon= e has a garden in a distance of 200m, perhaps on a hillside apart the city where no qrm is, bu= t with a road between the house that makes it impossible to use a cable. So= he could operate e.g. a grabber to the internet from that clear region! Sure,= if there is strong rain or fog and so on, it will be difficult but that are= all possibilities, one could try without the need for much energy! I would try= this with my laser TRX but there is no need for me (not yet) in the moment.

As we know, there are exis= ting internet links via laser beams since many years…

Another word to the fibre= optical transmission: Sure there are many methods suppressing noise coming from the coax screen.= The optical solution is just one. But I think the advantage is, that this meth= od decouples the preamp from the RX for 100%, say with an attenuation of 1000000000000000 dB (to come back for joking ;-) ). There is no need for choosing the right core out of the right material and the right number of= turns at both sides of the right cable that is placed in the right way and so on= and on. If the optic method is used, this theme is just finished, just like th= e question “would it even be better when I apply 10 turns more or take= 2 cores and/or bury the coax 5m into the earth?”

Perhaps it’s no so= easy as I think but in the moment it seems to be a good solution for me that is really working fi= ne.

GN or GM de Stefan/DK7FC

 

 

73, Stefan

 

-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachrich= t-----
Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Dave G3WCB
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. Dez= ember 2009 22:27
An: rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org
Betreff: LF: RE: Noise canc= elling by using optic transmission of RX signals

 <= /span>

Hello, Stefan.

 

This is very interesting. I have= a MiniWhip on a pole some distance from the house, and it seems that most of the interference (ADSL hash) see= ms to be re-radiated by the coax outer and picked up by the antenna.

 

A relatively short optical link= of one or two metres may still reduce the pick-up, as it would break the "copper" connection to= the antenna.

 

Alternatively, it might be possib= le to transvert the amplified LF signal up to a vhf frequency and then set up a remote RX some distance awa= y.

 

You could switch the power on and= off by using a pressure switch from a discarded washing machine connected to the shack by a lenght of 6mm plastic tubing. Apply slight positive pressure to turn on the ant= enna circuitry!

 

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor,= S.E. England. 

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7EAB.F3ECD9C3-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (rly-dd01.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.148]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD022-b5c4b2bbe4f2c1; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:39:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD016-b5c4b2bbe4f2c1; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:39:28 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLgjA-0004Nc-BK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:34:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLgj9-0004NT-QM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:34:55 +0000 Received: from mailout10.t-online.de ([194.25.134.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLgm0-0005di-TQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:37:55 +0000 Received: from fwd07.aul.t-online.de by mailout10.t-online.de with smtp id 1NLgma-00034a-00; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:38:28 +0100 Received: from e7010 (S8Ve2OZU8hq0QC1DGZjCCxO7dEfXvcpSdUr2r23xkmbzQak3DZsX-pqpMOatFoeQJh@[84.147.239.139]) by fwd07.aul.t-online.de with smtp id 1NLgmJ-09zXBg0; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:38:11 +0100 Message-ID: <004e01ca8008$e5c13a60$6402a8c0@e7010> From: "Walter und Marianne Staubach" To: References: <914980.30417.qm@web28108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:38:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-ID: S8Ve2OZU8hq0QC1DGZjCCxO7dEfXvcpSdUr2r23xkmbzQak3DZsX-pqpMOatFoeQJh X-TOI-MSGID: 958822e4-3f06-4f2e-94cd-38f55a7652c9 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004B_01CA8011.45767170" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01CA8011.45767170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Congrats to All on MF in G-Land. I would like we had RSGB and OFCOM in= Germany. Merry Christmas Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 12:39 PM Subject: LF: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz= band) FYI 16|12|09 Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band) Following representations made by the Radio Society of Great= Britain and negotiations by Ofcom with the Maritime and Coastguard Ag= ency, Ofcom has decided to extend the period of Notices of Variation= (NoVs) to the licence for operation in the 501 to 504 kHz band until= 29 February 2012. The maximum effective radiated power (e.r.p.) limit= is maintained at 10 dBW (10 W). Existing NoVs are due to expire at th= e end of February 2010.=20 There have been no reports of interference and investigation= has shown that a radiated power of 10 dBW is not likely to cause inte= rference. Moreover, NoV holders are permitted to operate only subject= to causing no interference.=20 Special Research Permits under a Notice of Variation to the Li= cence are made available to holders of Full Amateur Licences on a case= by case basis to applicants who can demonstrate a genuine interest in= experimentation at these frequencies and provide adequate supporting= documentation for assessment.=20 Due to the usage of the spectrum around the 500 kHz bands, app= licants should pay special attention to demonstrating technical and op= erational competence in terms of transmitting within the frequency ban= d and Effective Radiated Power (e.r.p.) parameters agreed with Ofcom.= Previous experience at 73 kHz as well as 136 kHz will be considered= desirable in this respect to ensure adequate steps are taken to limit= any potential interference.=20 Ofcom will monitor any interference reports and also consider= limiting numbers if necessary in reviewing operation in the band. On= no account will an e.r.p. level of greater than 10 dBW be permitted= under any circumstance.=20 The standard application form (OfW306) for a Special Research= Permit can be downloaded at: http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amate= ur/applications/ofw306.pdf=20 A fresh NoV will automatically be issued to existing NoV holde= rs; new applications are not required in this instance. Should a fresh NoV not be required or if you are in possession= of an NoV which is not required, please inform the Ofcom Licensing Ce= ntre stating your name, call sign and Licence number preferably by e-m= ail to licensingcentre@ofcom.org.uk or alternatively by post to the ad= dress at the end of the text.=20 Form OfW306 is also available on request from the Ofcom Licens= ing Centre at:=20 Ofcom Licensing Centre=20 Amateur Radio Riverside House 2a Southwark Bridge Road London SE1 9HA=20 Tel: 020 7981 3131=20 73 es GL petefmt=20 ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01CA8011.45767170 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Congrats to All on MF in G-Land. I wo= uld like we=20 had RSGB and OFCOM in Germany.
Merry Christmas
Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT=
Sent: Friday, December 18, 20= 09 12:39=20 PM
Subject: LF: UK - Update - Sp= ecial=20 Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band)

FYI       16|12|09

Update - Special Research Permits (501 to= 504 kHz=20 band)

Following representations made by the Radio Society of Gr= eat=20 Britain and negotiations by Ofcom with the Maritime and Coastg= uard=20 Agency, Ofcom has decided to extend the= period of=20 Notices of Variation (NoVs) to the licence for operation in th= e 501 to=20 504 kHz band until 29 February 2012. The maxim= um=20 effective radiated power (e.r.p.) limit is maintained at 10 dB= W (10 W).=20 Existing NoVs are due to expire at the end of February 2010.=
There have been no reports of interference and inv= estigation=20 has shown that a radiated power of 10 dBW is not likely to cau= se=20 interference. Moreover, NoV holders are permitted to operate= only=20 subject to causing no interference.
Special Research Permits under a Notice of Variation to= the Licence=20 are made available to holders of Full Amateur Licences on a ca= se by case=20 basis to applicants who can demonstrate a genuine interest in= =20 experimentation at these frequencies and provide adequate supp= orting=20 documentation for assessment.
Due to the usage of the spectrum around the 500 kHz bands= ,=20 applicants should pay special attention to demonstrating techn= ical and=20 operational competence in terms of transmitting within the fre= quency=20 band and Effective Radiated Power (e.r.p.) parameters agreed= with Ofcom.=20 Previous experience at 73 kHz as well as 136 kHz will be consi= dered=20 desirable in this respect to ensure adequate steps are taken= to limit=20 any potential interference.
Ofcom will monitor any interference reports and also cons= ider=20 limiting numbers if necessary in reviewing operation in the ba= nd. On no=20 account will an e.r.p. level of greater than 10 dBW be permitt= ed under=20 any circumstance.
The standard application form (OfW306) for a Special Rese= arch=20 Permit can be downloaded at:
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/am= ateur/applications/ofw306.pdf=20
A fresh NoV will automatically be issued to existing NoV= holders;=20 new applications are not required in this instance.
Should= a fresh=20 NoV not be required or if you are in possession of an NoV whic= h is not=20 required, please inform the Ofcom Licensing Centre stating you= r name,=20 call sign and Licence number preferably by e-mail to licensingcentre@ofc= om.org.uk=20 or alternatively by post to the address at the end of the text= .
Form OfW306 is also available on request from the Ofcom= Licensing=20 Centre at:
Ofcom Licensing Centre
Amateur Radio
Riverside Hou= se
2a=20 Southwark Bridge Road
London SE1 9HA
Tel: 020 7981 3131

73 es GL=20 petefmt

------=_NextPart_000_004B_01CA8011.45767170-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc12.mx.aol.com (rly-mc12.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.96]) by air-mc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC083-dae4b198f8f384; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:39:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC126-dae4b198f8f384; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:39:12 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGgnB-0003BY-Iv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:38:25 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGgnB-0003BM-4O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:38:25 +0000 Received: from smtp106.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com ([69.147.102.69]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGgn9-00017E-3C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:38:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 46310 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2009 22:38:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Ioyo7cWTpZEVa/5d54Ti5ShOXKDTkyNBi2XDF+dDKtGW5dh65Lts1f04XoIo/7tKRs2fNH66f1LXNtvhJLVqZsLPXx3YLbE1JFV/dAYpEg3/cYyM3mJq+VVBWTnmsqTJd/RAQBRAIV16nb4645Q9X/Bghz5qqd29Wjp/UTPWiSg= ; Received: from 75-168-154-96.mpls.qwest.net (we0h@75.168.154.96 with plain) by smtp106.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 04 Dec 2009 14:38:16 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: RBQdkJeswBDpCEg3HWivcvU- X-YMail-OSG: rzKlZEEVM1lxoCtFx_4xz.DsE4c4lCMLbPCP1irYn9hEX_tklJtjPklaKlm03frG6psR0sPzhMdU_D0mrQn4V34U3aqvns1nKzaQ5qAw4ijx18EqUDH1uKbJDLFGufc1bZxv3ZgekmvIJO2eaiKNBdbY2ffvfMYxNLjaSvALm5DFcZZKP.Sx3H6lDGzMjYTzT5hwTAWAmzJIEOOKj1zvoxWHEl4Kswdo1z99VWaEmgfTWGGiMp_g9D_LVgpKLMAL_ZIvLjmyqw4Vavrqow2IfkIptwRbznA9MD07jtqZY6l06IA5ICczji21QzPwe81SfuPr3NM84yvNRghm_plzAt3aNcNdW.3qgicr4aB5OwJMEWXZBCC9cKsl6vAqUMdC3yto3QoaEuParRebswNRpECEQErInB9U4Kacn6WLpvOXBxgRDEcMJGL9t_erT20hH9xkSGtbP.m7gxvW.V1UATZs_7lu8ZL5KkmlR6aejrNoKir8kEsQYgZ9VcJGVAIBencfp2eCQpUNgZw65hHEt25iBIl1qr7XQd_nyPaAfV4jcyNUZgGxmNoadlzN6KbnLPYHgA.uNg3.JDcOvp8HjXe1AntpqA5bWw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4B198F49.6020600@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:38:01 -0600 From: Mike-WE0H User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB4A@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Active Antenna Preamp of Bernd/DF8ZR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Worked here for me. Mike WE0H /16 Tracey Gardner wrote: > The URL is an invalid one > > Tracey > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Stefan Schfer > Hi Lowfers, > > > > Now, Bernd has posted the circuit of his preamp for active antennas: > http://www.mydarc.de/df8zr/lf-active-antenna.pdf > > > > Its nothing fundamental new. But its just working very fine, with > an overvoltage shielded input. DLF (153kHz) gets attenuated by abt > 40dB, compared to the sigs in the wanted frequency range. Gain is > abt 23dB. It was published in summer 2003 in the CQDL > > > > 73, Stefan From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (rly-dc06.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.35]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC062-b2b4b2a503e29c; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:37:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC067-b2b4b2a503e29c; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:37:36 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLIMV-0006iq-CG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:33:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLIMV-0006ih-22 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:33:55 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLIOr-00056f-E6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:36:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 8305 invoked by uid 507); 17 Dec 2009 16:36:30 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2009 16:36:30 +0100 Message-ID: <200912171636370488.1D2CCCF0@smtp2.numeo.fr> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:36:37 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: "BVG" 10dB over noise/LX on 137 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 At 1536z. John Rabson F5VLF 58800 Cervon France JN17vg From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de08.mx.aol.com (rly-de08.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.144]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE053-4f74b1faf303b0; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:07:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE086-4f74b1faf303b0; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:07:45 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NINBs-0001sn-Vb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:06:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NINBs-0001se-K7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:06:52 +0000 Received: from pne-smtpout2-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.164]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NINBr-0003Ad-Px for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:06:52 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (81.235.167.68) by pne-smtpout2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (7.3.140.3) (authenticated as u33233109) id 4A5BC8BE00FE09E1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:06:46 +0100 Message-ID: <4B1FAEF7.3020706@telia.com> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:06:47 +0100 From: "Johan H. Bodin" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1527851280@web.de> In-Reply-To: <1527851280@web.de> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: SAQ Testing Now Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Horst St=F6cker wrote: > SAQ seems to continue testing now . . . Yes. My QTH is only 80km from SAQ so I can easily hear the "backwave" signal which is about 17dB below key-down power. As a few kilowatts are leaking out when the TX is idling, I am able to hear when they adjust the r.p.m. even with key up! Here is some nice aerial photography (in a double sense!) of SAQ: http://www.hitta.se/LargeMap.aspx?ShowTraffic=3Dfalse&Filter=3D378&ShowSat= ellite=3Dtrue&cx=3D6337105&cy=3D1293998&z=3D10&tip=3D1 Click on zoom[10] to find the transmitter building and then zoom out and pan to look at the whole station. The logperiodic antenna just above the north corner of the TX building is made by Rohde & Schwarz, I believe. The FM/TV station of Varberg is located near tower #3 (counting from the TX building). 73 Johan SM6LKM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (rly-dc03.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.32]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC063-b114b1fc2c6292; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:31:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC035-b114b1fc2c6292; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:31:20 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIOUW-0002Wz-7C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:30:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIOUV-0002Wq-Jg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:30:11 +0000 Received: from mail-yx0-f203.google.com ([209.85.210.203]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIOUU-0003hS-Dj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:30:11 +0000 Received: by yxe41 with SMTP id 41so17265665yxe.30 for ; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 07:30:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=HnUC6VQs9FWbvZygic0TgW00cqY0gkEk05FTs/zEdWw=; b=oqLot17iYlXTCxEdWBkQS5+vQlegdnhzRXc/1j4xWFH3Y48EXCERoJ8anc1FHVh1F1 i4UgRe9hgT2WxDN5wbSKGFbrQ77tWBohJ+cNUNOndy/DbmbJIC23GmZdxjsANdbuzoMp AotTQusbxKv3pMpm9PZHnmQaQdvlK8612+3Pc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=A5KCRTTtDVvmdXvb1AHhZkX5RnjFOF2KzUSPWQJa4gcHrhZCsSRRreCvVcfScf3/Ho YelEp2iUf5SRFmA3BW64gGM2ACj697QZcis/xJ8ntbDhbt8bvoX9zFLlPHblyaTfXPJF lzxpDssqS4/L8Mnqf2gT/xW1j+acLXILXGL7U= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.27.6 with SMTP id a6mr14803317yba.74.1260372601508; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 07:30:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 10:30:01 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m203.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver muting. Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (rly-mf04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.174]) by air-mf07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF072-9544b37bb53af; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:54:04 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF042-9544b37bb53af; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:53:56 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOzAD-0003Jw-Vv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:52:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOzAD-0003Jn-Ca for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:52:29 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.29]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOzAB-00022N-Ps for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:52:29 +0000 Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl (dovemail2.xs4all.nl [194.109.26.4]) by smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBRJqEMW064321 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:52:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from pa0bwl@xs4all.nl) Received: from 84.27.233.125 (SquirrelMail authenticated user pa0bwl) by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:52:26 +0100 Message-ID: <9c398ea0c5cf4e58d9a4f0242fc31559.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:52:26 +0100 From: "wil - pa0bwl" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.18 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Ropex Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Victor, Still very interested in those details here ... Can I get a copy? Pse use wil@pa0bwl.com as email address. 73 Wil pa0bwl > Hello all, > > for who is interested,I just got from Henny,PA3CPM the schematic and the > componentlayout from the Ropex first.I can sent the files to everybody who > is interested, > > 73 > mxmass > > Victor > PA3FNY > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG021-a254b29458e1fe; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:40:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG077-a254b29458e1fe; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:39:44 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NL0as-0000pU-Qf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:35:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NL0as-0000pL-B6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:35:34 +0000 Received: from web86501.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.126]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NL0cr-0007Ku-Cx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:37:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 58122 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Dec 2009 20:37:56 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1260995876; bh=jzdFkWEk/QHXgH9P0/Ii3fLQlaj6NHYglusTKttpF6w=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mi6vEjiXuwOVYaRend5dEFBKnF/Eu9YMrQP9lLXhMsaq9xirOPIbOYvYXSmzP366iyhZ2Omv43lI+Zajf8EG8aoAmSMi1I0b6GpJ694h3mvxyJAUjyKGAbHk1ZyC+55Dt7ucHPsyVkT5B1G3+G6B7Uzv9wGCv7MzlsuS5cu42NE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3Z6p8e+V8G87tc8RVgArH2NtsGKQtMmtq8VhdNa0GIYU2NgQ3zLNntnHWWrSMTCXMe1+qr/Eth85yRew7Fcdj7yYkYLjpl9/Hi9WvNAPL/VQKM1jjfR9Z+/PQmr3ROiHMOds1Jjgwgjjtt3ZTzIoFEQ0JdtwstxrITYZj1fzdJc=; Message-ID: <572685.58103.qm@web86501.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: e0T1TQcVM1niGVYatQtYFBOzwD_9N19ypSChGXLdvldEUS7HAyVOIVhpJIq9LqawxBUWyyg0M9AJyzCziq10Ruh9SdjIGlS8pEB.VMX1pYFp8x3rZQWiHBkNuyDFXAzvITY8Q0SL9niN0yKs8TFTCKZyEswMeAY9..Zf9jhGKW1nsoxYTeTgie8ckTxPFpNaCLAg09zyCbJCKapJUZA_zE9bqTIOBA.nwSB__CDM5wKzRKdYd16MZuotXCTBtqVIqhobmniWbqryQeS0ftduYsbdsour6a.08THkZ1zPQWgQZrgYEFO.mFTcwl_nFBLvrguMEW3pDZp8dKRl1SOnR5TRags12_73IVk- Received: from [81.131.32.163] by web86501.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:37:56 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:37:56 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d252.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass Hi Stephan, well if you are running an optic cable why not run power as we= ll. It should be relatively easy to keep the pick out of the power rail.= If you are worreied about pick up on the power rails use a rechargable ba= ttery and just use the power feed when you are not receiving for rechargin= g the battery. Coax is not always the answer, and the old fashioned method of balanced pa= irs is often more effective, If you use a centre-tapped transformer at eac= h end you can even feed the power down the "phanton circuit". My old affil= iation to a telephone company is showing :-)) Alan G3NYK --- On Wed, 16/12/09, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer = wrote: > From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer > Subject: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Wednesday, 16 December, 2009, 16:51 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Dear Lowfers, >=20 >=20 > I > want to > start a new subject (for me it's > new)... >=20 > The > last weeks > I still had RX problems, either with the tx antenna or with > the short E-flied RX > antenna. >=20 > I > found out > that the noise was/is generated by my notebook which made > RXing difficult, even > in regions without any else local QRM (what could almost > bring me to shut down > the PC and just do nice and easy CW QSOs without anything > else! (but most > traffic is in QRSS...)). >=20 > Then > I have > done mni tests with many many ferrite cores (that I found > in an older emc lab > in our institute), e.g. 20x FT50-77 plus 20x FT50-43 plus > 20x FT50-61 and e few > others. I placed them all in series, partly in the near of > the preamp and/or in > the near of the RX. Sure, there was a significant reduction > of noise but lastly > the noise remains.=20 >=20 > Accidentally, > during a test with my VFO connected to the same 12V supply > of my preamp, I observed > a strong line in the argo monitor EVEN without an antenna > (short wire) > connected to the VFO and when turned the amplitude to zero! > That meant for me, the > VFO and its supply is not suppressed enough and so some RF > comes to the preamp > by the coax and supply line! (the preamp is supplied by a > battery). I thought, I > can use this (normally unwanted) coupling path to test the > blocking capability > of the ferrite cores and so I tried it with all variations > and later with an > additional BIG ferrite core and many turns of RG174. As I > meant, surely there > is a significant noise reduction but the line in argo was > still well visible! >=20 > What > I have > done then (since 4 days) is using a coupling link by an > optic transmission of > the 137kHz signal between the preamp and my RX using a SFH750V > as the TX Diode and a SFH350 > as the RX and abt 20m of a fiber optic cable (yes, there > are surely more suited > components but these were available in the moment). These > are also used as > optic links into high end audio systems and therefore easy > to get... >=20 > Now, > when > placing the preamp on the same place then during the tests > before and just > changing the coax by the fiber optic cable, the line by the > VFO was completely > gone!! Just with an antenna connected to the VFO and high > amplitude (and thus e > real near-field =E2=80=9Cconnection=E2=80=9D) it came back. The > overall noise level > decreased to its absolute minimum during all the tests. >=20 >=20 > Before > I used > this optic cable the only signal that could be received > (out of the city with > much much qrm) was DCF39 and DLF and so on. Now, DCF39 came > out with much > better SNR and I saw the first LF Stn at all, it was Ossi / > OE5ODL transmitting > his 5s in the evening (tnx! very nice SNR in QRSS3 > mode). >=20 > My > conclusion > is, that the qrm is always brought to the very sensitive > E-field antenna by the > coax, even when doing many usual suppression methods cause > there always remains > a residual coupling impedance between both sides of the > cable. Furthermore a > long coax cable, say 20m away from the shack carries some > qrm to the near of > the rx antenna so the effective distance to the shack is > always reduced. >=20 > One > small disadvantage > of this method is the need for a battery supply. My TX > diode needs abt 20mA and > is now working since 3 days with a 7AH Lead Acid battery. > In the future I plan > to use a stereo optic cable. Then, one could switch the > preamp on and off by > the seconds line doing it the opposite way. So, smaller > batteries could be > used, which is necessary when mounting the preamp to a > shaky fiber mast if one > does not want to change the batteries each few hours > ;-) >=20 > Signal > distortion seems to be no problem, as I can confirm until > now. >=20 > Now, > my K2 has > an optical LF input! ;-) >=20 > Perhaps > this > will give some ideas to the local qrm bothered stns who > tried everything with > ferrite cores, isolating transformers and so on without a > satisfying result. >=20 > NOTE: I do not know if anyone has tried > this before and has > written a publication about that. My goal is not > to be the hero in inventions, to become popular and > especially not to compete with > anyone (like it seems > to be usual in career/job to be the one who gets the pay > rise) but just to > share my ideas to those who are interested to try something > new (?). I do not > say that my solution is the best at all and so on! But, if > it will help only > one Lowfer getting new ideas and improving his station, and > if this improvement > results in more activity on the band, then it would have > helped all of us! >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > 73s > es 55 de > Stefan / DK7FC >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (rly-mb01.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.154]) by air-mb01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB013-ce54b1f8377134; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 06:01:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB011-ce54b1f8377134; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 06:01:12 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIKGx-0000aA-Kp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:59:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIKGx-0000a1-3P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:59:55 +0000 Received: from mail-ew0-f214.google.com ([209.85.219.214]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIKGw-00020f-7U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:59:55 +0000 Received: by ewy6 with SMTP id 6so1807894ewy.29 for ; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 02:59:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=6PRlEDeUbNcmP1MlIKUFKg7y+gJt1MeaPNdn0PDc9Mk=; b=hw5jFTnrfkT0tjKk/I0RFX/JzWtYl8XpGnPcaNU/KxackR7kAQOy8Z6gwx5+YWvfhf cuA9eahaIvjh5UAbllk2gbaofE9EochEzZEx9NnkN0kZcwtEEhOioxdmvNt/q9g8DhPD Zos9I3kNurI559zMrMCWWQyqKVnPIk8UJJeZs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=wHUpQCdJXpncrypnn7e+8+bvYhy8M3aDI2Bt7mFlwvMmUy6jn+nnY91vm3ONuxmgJZ /VpS0fl16iKPKeEBtTVUrrwbqiMcRdRCPgI/XPcPzDovfa96lie0hBOkh3rrjqMactyS Xr9ka4XSN4m9vPydZC3Et/0tYr+rxfmDo4MQU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.98.140 with SMTP id q12mr751048ebn.1.1260356384914; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 02:59:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1260131464.3779.5.camel@gerhard-desktop> References: <42030EE58BDD4FA78C88635B91BDFB78@2a2d7ed321c6425> <1260131464.3779.5.camel@gerhard-desktop> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 11:59:44 +0100 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anton_B=E4rtschi?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Unser QSO auf 137,7 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504502d4b29cfce4047a49963d X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m223.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00504502d4b29cfce4047a49963d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Servus Gerhard Nein, es hat keine Verwechslung stattgefunden. Ich hatte mit euch beiden= ein QSO! Ebenfalls vielen Dank an Dich, lieber Gerhard, OE3GHB, f=FCr das interessante und nette QSO. Eine recht grosse Distanz quer =FCber die Alpe= n. 73 de Toni Am 6. Dezember 2009 21:31 schrieb Gerhard Hickl : > Servus Toni! > > Hier ist OE3GHB...ebenfalls Gerhard und wir hatten auch ein QSO.... > > Weil ja DK6NI von einer m=F6glichen Verwechslung schreibt, wei=DF ich je= tzt > auch nicht so genau wen Du meinst....... > > AWDH es 73 > > OE3GHB > > Gerhard > > > > Am Sonntag, den 06.12.2009, 21:15 +0100 schrieb Anton B=E4rtschi: > > Hallo Gerhard > > Sorry f=FCr die versp=E4tete Antwort, alle deine Posts sind in meinem > > Spam-Ordner gelandet. > > Unser QSO hat wunderbar geklappt und du bist in meinem Log. Dein > > Signal war gut lesbar, absolut "O"! > > Meine Antenne ist etwa gleich, nur die Leistung h=F6her: 500W bis 1KW= je > > nach Anpassung. > > Vielen Dank f=FCr das QSO und 73 aus der Westschweiz > > de Toni HB9ASB in JN36NU > > > > Anton B=E4rtschi > > Les fermes 24 > > 1792 Cordast > > Schweiz > > > > 2009/12/3 Beckmann, Gerhard > > > > > > Hallo Toni, > > > > > > > > =85falls die Mail nicht durchgekommen war=85. > > > > > > > > Besten Dank f=FCr ein kurzes Lebenszeichen. > > > > > > > > vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI > > > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Von: Beckmann, Gerhard [mailto:beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de] > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Dezember 2009 22:01 > > An: 'Beckmann, Gerhard'; 'Anton B=E4rtschi' > > Betreff: AW: Unser QSO auf 137,7 > > > > > > > > > > Hallo Toni, > > > > > > > > nur eine kurze Frage: > > > > Hattest Du mein Signal lesen k=F6nnen oder war es eine > > Verwechslung meinerseits? > > > > > > > > Besten Dank + vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI > > > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Von: Beckmann, Gerhard [mailto:beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de] > > Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. November 2009 23:06 > > An: 'Anton B=E4rtschi' > > Betreff: Unser QSO auf 137,7 > > > > > > > > > > Hallo Toni, > > > > > > > > besten Dank f=FCr das ufb QSO auf 137,72 in QRSS3! > > > > Mein Rig: > > > > TX:Ropex mit ca. 100 Watt. > > > > RX: TS 440 S > > > > Antenne: endgespeister Draht mit 40 Meter L=E4nge und ca. 10 > > Meter H=F6he. > > > > (sehr schlechte l=F6sung f=FCr LF ---hi--) > > > > > > > > vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI > > > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --00504502d4b29cfce4047a49963d Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Servus Gerhard
Nein, es hat keine Verwechslung stattgefunden. Ich hatte= mit euch beiden ein QSO! Ebenfalls vielen Dank an Dich, lieber Gerhard,= OE3GHB, f=FCr das interessante und nette QSO. Eine recht grosse Distanz= quer =FCber die Alpen.
73 de Toni

Am 6. Dezember 2009 21:31 sch= rieb Gerhard Hickl <gerhard.hickl@aon.at>:
Servus Toni!

Hier =A0ist OE3GHB...ebenfalls Gerhard und wir hatten auch ein QSO....

Weil ja DK6NI von einer m=F6glichen Verwechslung schreibt, wei=DF ich jetz= t
auch nicht so genau wen Du meinst.......

AWDH es 73

OE3GHB

Gerhard



Am Sonntag, den 06.12.2009, 21:15 +0100 schrieb Anton B=E4rtschi:
> Hallo Gerhard
> Sorry f=FCr die versp=E4tete Antwort, alle deine Posts sind in meinem=
> Spam-Ordner gelandet.
> Unser QSO hat wunderbar geklappt und du bist in meinem Log. Dein
> Signal war gut lesbar, absolut "O"!
> Meine Antenne ist etwa gleich, nur die Leistung h=F6her: 500W bis 1KW= je
> nach Anpassung.
> Vielen Dank f=FCr das QSO und 73 aus der Westschweiz
> de Toni HB9ASB in JN36NU
>
> Anton B=E4rtschi
> Les fermes 24
> 1792 Cordast
> Schweiz
>
> 2009/12/3 Beckmann, Gerhard <beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de>
>
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Hallo Toni,
>
>
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> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =85falls die Mail nicht durchgekommen war=85.
>
>
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> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Besten Dank f=FCr ein kurzes Lebenszeichen.
>
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> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 vy 73 de Gerhard =A0// DK6NI
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> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =3D=3D=3D=3D
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>
>
>
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> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 _____________________________________________________= _________
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Von: Beckmann, Gerhard [mailto:beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de]
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Dezember 2009 22:01
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 An: 'Beckmann, Gerhard'; 'Anton B=E4rtsch= i'
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Betreff: AW: Unser QSO auf 137,7
>
>
>
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Hallo Toni,
>
>
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> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 nur eine kurze Frage:
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> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Hattest Du mein Signal lesen k=F6nnen oder war es ein= e
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Verwechslung meinerseits?
>
>
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> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Besten Dank + vy 73 de Gerhard =A0// =A0DK6NI
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> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
>
>
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>
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> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 _____________________________________________________= _________
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Von: Beckmann, Gerhard [mailto:beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de]
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. November 2009 23:06
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 An: 'Anton B=E4rtschi'
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Betreff: Unser QSO auf 137,7
>
>
>
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Hallo Toni,
>
>
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 besten Dank f=FCr das ufb QSO auf 137,72 in QRSS3! >
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Mein Rig:
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 TX:Ropex mit ca. 100 Watt.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 RX: TS 440 S
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Antenne: endgespeister Draht mit 40 Meter L=E4nge und= ca. 10
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Meter H=F6he.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 (sehr schlechte l=F6sung= f=FCr LF ---hi--)
>
>
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> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 vy 73 de Gerhard =A0// =A0DK6NI
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> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =3D=3D=3D
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--00504502d4b29cfce4047a49963d-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (rly-mg06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.112]) by air-mg08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG083-a184b31eb88155; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:06:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG062-a184b31eb88155; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:06:01 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNO5M-0003Um-Gb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:04:52 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNO5M-0003Ud-3E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:04:52 +0000 Received: from mail-gx0-f210.google.com ([209.85.217.210]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNO5K-0001U1-9n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:04:52 +0000 Received: by gxk2 with SMTP id 2so6237889gxk.4 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 02:04:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=/vRtmS8FG86KbDN8N8wjKShMWsf8YcUpPQutbWqeJUQ=; b=xCUh3YkvDpqCw/5NJZcdjNnCHHMnBLA4Dzb4qmyn8IjBYbD8/wl76VsalxbMTzeTRd BU8qWMyviOF0M7KF9f5m6O03wgpO6JwyY/a4P82OQARxf6gVFmDiokSDZ84cnhhD40lI IeYd5+nhEETxB4iMLiigrywfwh8CsxTV4HWYk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ZK0xb2p6pxT6U4vjHZFtVlcGdHyP2K8VjL0AoM1478J+y2P2ncvmXBmTqJ2deIZQbY zzYIu/8/O86vzb3FW0XqA1id5wavgSWJu5QPQf2srYBWAk7/03BUldd7JS+yZxPhrECe OE8emgXLWbCFKS2TJMz8pZRSmq2anvnsgfS7k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.6.28 with SMTP id 28mr9767108ybf.262.1261562671784; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 02:04:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B31DA34.1050805@online.fr> References: <035375487725449FBCB051DF5928E886@ns94d01ae4d850> <4B31DA34.1050805@online.fr> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:04:31 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca70912230204p2cc823f7q9985346ab292ba36@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: LF T/A [137kHz] XGJ last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d241.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Jean-Pierre, WD2XGJ began transmission quite late, after 04:00 UTC. Please do not compare the propagation as WD2XGJ is using the low power (220 Watts output) transmitter last night and for the next few days - this is approximately 9dB below the usual power! Joyeux No=EBl ! --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 3:52 AM, "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 (F1AFJ)" wrote: > Hello Warren , > Please , =A0what time brought your beacon into service ? > It seems to me that it was not visible at the beginning ! > With the renewal of activity of the sun , it should be > noted that propagation LF is much less good ? > 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (rly-mg01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.107]) by air-mg10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG103-9f24b16e0cb234; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:49:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG014-9f24b16e0cb234; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:49:01 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFx39-00080a-Aw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:47:51 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFx38-00080R-NK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:47:50 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFx36-00009f-OC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:47:50 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.2]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091202214743.DSAI27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 21:47:43 +0000 Received: from [81.109.251.184] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFx31-0006ks-3i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:47:43 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 21:47:36 -0000 Message-ID: <039c01ca7399$0fba2b50$0317aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcpzmQ93OVbqV/c4RKqqHeeAvYOQXg== X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=YqLsYnVfhtUXonDsUfIA:9 a=Wv05LZ0gmVyP3O7KSdg-1tkRRqQA:4 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=1HRL9fLgBEkm2tmuvqMA:9 a=wRtdpeldiJjKzphRbsgA:7 a=B3yg9a29G-rdehzGpfS7n_oSaOgA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: SM6BHZ voice beacon loud Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_039D_01CA7399.0FBA2B50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_90_100, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_039D_01CA7399.0FBA2B50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit EOM With best regards Jim ------=_NextPart_000_039D_01CA7399.0FBA2B50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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 Jim

------=_NextPart_000_039D_01CA7399.0FBA2B50-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df05.mx.aol.com (rly-df05.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.18]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF024-5534b364e6b2be; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 12:57:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF058-5534b364e6b2be; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 12:57:01 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOarz-00067i-T5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:56:03 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOarz-00067Z-GO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:56:03 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOary-0005Vn-Rg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:56:03 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.1]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091226175057.IUJT27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:50:57 +0000 Received: from [86.27.92.51] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOan2-00045o-T3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:50:57 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <4B364B7F.3528.1CE8517@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:50:56 -0000 Message-ID: <005201ca8653$fa1750c0$0217aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcqGUzrGdXQc4o5xS0C06YsRf/EiMQAAIuwg In-Reply-To: <4B364B7F.3528.1CE8517@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=bPV2uaBrCK0c115Nj8QA:9 a=6eeeARsjx1BujqozhkGbOmF11RwA:4 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: XDV beacon Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Mike I am running a RTTY beacon (vy QRPppp), on 137.5 can you copy it? I might switch to WSPR mode later and see if that can be picked up or try QRSS10 With best regards Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Mike Dennison Sent: 26 December 2009 17:45 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: XDV beacon I will be transmitting 'XDV' on 136.31975kHz overnight. It looks another station is already on 136.319kHz - probably DJ8WX. Mike, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.77]) by air-da05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA052-86154b39dfbe24a; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 05:53:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 200D738000135; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 05:53:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPZgo-0008Jw-ET for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:52:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPZgn-0008Jn-Vk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:52:33 +0000 Received: from mail-pz0-f177.google.com ([209.85.222.177]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPZgk-0002wn-K6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:52:33 +0000 Received: by pzk7 with SMTP id 7so121538pzk.30 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 02:52:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=c0k5e6HsCTf5XV20HOslIHcCsZVV3DOUF4wm9XW/DOo=; b=NBMX7/jU42roeuN8OF93xJNcz7vJPewptb2nIsv4kvZ4ArYGwdAYjerNLLA0I6PjDD NT33uUx0gSjpLlyUE5HkoGa1U+4HyUC5iypEhCA790L77K05u7ubl9xkZ2yt2ZZAR/bq pvdsH1Dn+pOVrQlCXPWFitWzYPu8EwlhcC3ak= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=hdDO3lGt10F0zLoz1nYn0ebiAIWc6NysdHHyg93Gs77iEWnXoxLiuRYta2KcmYFYWn TiX4hgamtTvHOOIKIaj7mnS+7hlpuq2RUk3JNZJBbFNCgfss5irUl9F1KeBaEgnuxa6A lXr9NULIp/6mrJzlfiS+303kK9xO7WaJRTY+s= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.14.12 with SMTP id r12mr11947348rvi.264.1262083942385; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 02:52:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B38F1A1.30805.16EAE3D@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> References: <4B38F1A1.30805.16EAE3D@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:52:22 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 37b9539c2948bd66 Message-ID: <1f0624b90912290252v2236785fg7138347199badb92@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: XDV beacon tonight Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=000e0cd10622100988047bdbd1c6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52682 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404d4b39dfbe2d7f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --000e0cd10622100988047bdbd1c6 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1062210097c047bdbd1c4 --000e0cd1062210097c047bdbd1c4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dave, LF, Screen grab attached taken at 2200utc last night, four signals seen. 73 Gary - G4WGT. 2009/12/28 Mike Dennison > I will be beaconing overnight again using QRSS60 on 136.3198kHz. I > note that PA3CPM is already on 136.3180kHz. > > Mike, G3XDV > ========== > > --000e0cd1062210097c047bdbd1c4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave, LF,

Screen grab attached taken at 2200utc last ni= ght, four signals seen.

73

Gary - G4WGT.


2009/12/28= Mike Dennison <mike.dennison@ntlworld.com>
I will be beaconing overnight again using= QRSS60 on 136.3198kHz. I
note that PA3CPM is already on 136.3180kHz.

Mike, G3XDV
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Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Bob, Seen some reasonable traces from you in the last week , IO83LK , none spotted last night , what is the rx set up at WD2XSH/17 as I dont see and ta spots in the data base , this is top of the list (apart from the three oddspots) 2009-11-28 22:52 WD2XSH/29 0.501901 -23 0 EN91qu 2 WD2XSH/17 FN42pb 820 85 ?? 73 - G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert H Reif" Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:06 PM To: Subject: Re: Re: LF: "WA" beacon received at 503kHz. > > Hello, > I've been beaconing WSPR 2.0 on about 503.91 50% duty cycle, most > nights and was on all night last night, the 26th Z. The WSPR > transmissions are identified per our license every 30 minutes at about 30 > WPM at the end of a WSPR transmission. 73 Bob WD2XSH/37 W1XP > ____________________________________________________________ > Criminal Lawyer > Criminal Lawyers - Click here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=cap8B4e7ap2XKdIYzj2QRAAAJ1D5rfaR-77IPsUFbn2LcZ2XAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAiFgAAAAA= > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (rly-mc03.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.87]) by air-mc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC072-d684b20491218e; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:04:34 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC038-d684b20491218e; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:04:19 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIXRD-0007Jf-RD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:03:23 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIXRD-0007JW-5s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:03:23 +0000 Received: from rekin23.go2.pl ([193.17.41.16]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIXRB-0004eJ-Il for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:03:23 +0000 Received: from rekin23.go2.pl (rekin23 [127.0.0.1]) by rekin23.go2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96AC6128808 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:03:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from unknown (unknown [10.0.0.142]) by rekin23.go2.pl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:03:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from 58-178-124-188.rev.pro-internet.pl [188.124.178.58] by poczta.o2.pl with ESMTP id tlrhvh; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:03:17 +0100 Message-ID: <002e01ca7934$8d00a350$3ab27cbc@ap6fnsa53r3k6h> From: "Marcin" To: References: <392758439.1260398409.48146488.79519@mcgi74.rambler.ru> <4B202EA6.1090000@usa.net> <003201ca7930$73dc02b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:03:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-O2-Trust: 2, 64 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 147.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF Signal DDH47 599: http://www.sp2kds.pl/images/stories/braun.jpg http://www.sp2kds.pl/images/stories/marconi.jpg http://www.sp2kds.pl/images/stories/hertz.jpg http://www.sp2kds.pl/images/stories/morse.jpg and audio mp3 signal (7,3MB): http://www.sp2kds.pl/attachments/280_DDH47.mp3 73! Marcin SQ2BXI ----- Original Message ----- From: jrusgrove@comcast.net To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 1:33 AM Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 147.3 Good copy of cw signal 'by ear' in CT ... on a very noisy night. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: Alberto di Bene To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 6:11 PM Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 147.3 Beautiful copy of DDH47, but then, given their power, it is not a great surprise.... 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma04.mx.aol.com (rly-ma04.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.48]) by air-ma04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA044-8a14b251062107; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:04:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA043-8a14b251062107; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:03:47 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJqtl-00058W-85 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:02:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJqtk-00058J-T6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:02:16 +0000 Received: from [85.37.17.112] (helo=smtp-out112.alice.it) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJquE-0004iM-93 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:02:48 +0000 Received: from FBCMMO04.fbc.local ([192.168.184.135]) by smtp-out112.alice.it with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:02:13 +0100 Received: from FBCMCL01B07.fbc.local ([192.168.171.45]) by FBCMMO04.fbc.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:00:12 +0100 Received: from IK1ODO.spin-it.com ([87.24.41.185]) by FBCMCL01B07.fbc.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:00:11 +0100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:59:54 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Marco IK1ODO In-Reply-To: <007b01ca7c0c$167e7b00$0201a8c0@Clemens04> References: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> <241919.87622.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9afca2640912130305r3acb5e5fs991caaa1115d2255@mail.gmail.com> <6E7638745A1B43168C402CDBB010C2A7@AGB> <007b01ca7c0c$167e7b00$0201a8c0@Clemens04> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2009 16:00:11.0935 (UTC) FILETIME=[59F862F0:01CA7C0D] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: IK1HSS WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 At 16.50 13/12/2009, you wrote: >Are you sure abt the frequencies? >I think with "carrier" you mean the dial qrg,i.e. 136.420. >If so, 137.740 is 80Hz below the wspr band. > >73 >Clemens >DL4RAJ Hello Clemens, the WSPR signal frequency is now 137.751 +/- 2 Hz - the dial should be 136.250 I hate this "dial" way of specifying QRG :-) - Marco IK1HSS's signal is on 137.751 for me. Is there a WSPR recommended sub-band? If I add 80 Hz to 137.740 I end out of the band ... 73 - Marco IK1ODO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (rly-dc01.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.30]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC043-afd4b335676243; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 06:54:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC011-afd4b335676243; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 06:54:34 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNmFB-0008FU-QY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:52:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNmFB-0008FL-En for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:52:37 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s15.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.25]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNmF9-0003Bv-Hq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:52:37 +0000 Received: from COL122-W31 ([65.55.34.9]) by col0-omc1-s15.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 24 Dec 2009 03:50:57 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:50:57 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4B32935D.1000006@toya.net.pl> References: <4B32935D.1000006@toya.net.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Dec 2009 11:50:57.0474 (UTC) FILETIME=[5AF5FA20:01CA848F] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_8b05c036-2599-414d-9c27-2f2d5c73c6e9_" Subject: RE: LF: Christmas X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_8b05c036-2599-414d-9c27-2f2d5c73c6e9_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Piotr, LF! The same to you ... Merry Christmas! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS ********************* > Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 23:02:05 +0100 > From: sq7mpj@toya.net.pl > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Christmas >=20 > Dear LF Friends, >=20 > Merry Christmas to all of You and your Families, >=20 > 73 de Piotr, sq7mpj >=20 > qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ >=20 >=20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9= =ED informace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_8b05c036-2599-414d-9c27-2f2d5c73c6e9_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Piotr, LF!
The same to you ... Merry Christmas!

Lubos, OK2= BVG, JN88KS

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> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 200= 9 23:02:05 +0100
> From: sq7mpj@toya.net.pl
> To: rsgb_lf_grou= p@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: Christmas
>
> Dear LF= Friends,
>
> Merry Christmas to all of You and your Fa= milies,
>
> 73 de Piotr, sq= 7mpj
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> qth: Lodz /jo91rs/
>
>
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Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s= ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. =3D --_8b05c036-2599-414d-9c27-2f2d5c73c6e9_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me06.mx.aol.com (rly-me06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.40]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME033-9bd4b1dab4975; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 20:26:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME061-9bd4b1dab4975; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 20:26:34 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHopR-0004WC-Ea for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 01:25:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHopR-0004W3-0K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 01:25:25 +0000 Received: from mcgi68.rambler.ru ([81.19.67.204]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHopP-0000Cl-Ik for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 01:25:24 +0000 Received: from [91.77.89.121] by mcgi68.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Tue, 08 Dec 2009 04:25:19 +0300 From: Roman RW3ADB To: Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 04:25:19 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <1523192292@web.de> <545734478.1260209420.51424136.43539@mcgi72.rambler.ru> Message-Id: <1256541310.1260235519.56124792.45022@mcgi68.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (untone), http://mail.rambler.ru X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 in QRSS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format="flowed" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Horst, LF! Tell me pse gentleman's is it DDH-47 on the my screen's? http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2009/8dec2009_DDH47/ddh47_00000.jpg http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2009/8dec2009_DDH47/ddh47_00001.jpg http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2009/8dec2009_DDH47/ddh47_00002.jpg http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2009/8dec2009_DDH47/img0001.jpg http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2009/8dec2009_DDH47/img0002.jpg http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2009/8dec2009_DDH47/img0003.jpg http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2009/8dec2009_DDH47/img0004.jpg http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2009/8dec2009_DDH47/img0005.jpg http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2009/8dec2009_DDH47/img0006.jpg http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2009/8dec2009_DDH47/img0007.jpg http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2009/8dec2009_DDH47/img0009.jpg http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2009/8dec2009_DDH47/img0010.jpg http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2009/8dec2009_DDH47/img0011.jpg http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2009/8dec2009_DDH47/img0012.jpg Is not audible in Moscow now into my location. Local QRN/QRM S6 now. I'm looked the simple trace when own QRMing broadcaster Yunost-FM 153 kHz working at around 2300MSC LT. Where the QRSS trace will be? On the 147.300.0? Or 147.330? Moscow local time on the all screens. Roman * Roman RW3ADB [Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:10:20 +0300]: > Hi Horst, LF! > > * Horst Stöcker [Mon, 07 Dec 2009 10:18:16 > +0100]: > > Hello, > > I just quoted the first message that was published somewhere I do not > > remember at all. > > Great that you remarked the mistake. > > The date 9-11 December should be right. > > Both dates will be right? twice transmission? > I'm understood right? > > > I is also published in the "official" flyer 1.0 nobeld.pdf > > 73 HORST > > > > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > > Von: "Roman RW3ADB" > > > Gesendet: 07.12.09 02:49:11 > > > An: > > > Betreff: Re: LF: DDH47 in QRSS > > > > > > > Hello Horst, LF! > > > Remember about your info and look > > > http://www.doese-apprt.de/pfbday/nobel.html today again. > > > I can see that info: > > > >>From 9th December 2009 23:00 until 10th December 2009 01:00 UTC > the > > > transmitter is available for 2 hours in telegraphy. > > > > > > It will be possible more exact about that? > > > > > > It will be from 9 to 10 or from 10 to 11? What is true? > > > > > > * Horst Stöcker [Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:52:11 > > > +0100]: > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > despite some of you might have heard about the following news, I > was > > > > very surprised and I am looking forward to this event: > > > > > > > > DDH47 147.3 khz in QRSS 3 > > > > > > > > In Honor of Nobelprize Winner Marconi and Prof. Ferdinand Braun a > > > > special transmission will be Date: > > > > > > > > 10. Dec 2009 Time: Start 2300 UTC > > > > > > > > Frequ. 147,3 kc Mode: > > > > > > > > QRSS 3 > > > > > > > > PWR: 20 kW > > > > > > > > The weather forcast transmitter Pinneberg DDH47 will stop RTTY ( > 50 > > > Bd) > > > > transmission in between 10. Dec 2300h UTC and 11. Dec 001 UTC In > > this > > > > timegap, the TX will be used for a special event transmission. > Short > > > > words in QRRS 3 will be transmitted. After the transmission You > may > > > > confirm the receiving at a shortwave frequency or via Internet ( > QRG > > > and > > > > adress will be given later) You may check propagation every day / > > > night > > > > at 147,3 Kc DDH47, because the TX is working 24 Hours > > > > > > > > vy73 Horst DO1KHS > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > > > Neu: WEB.DE DSL bis 50.000 kBit/s und 200,- Euro Startguthaben! > > > > http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Roman RW3ADB. > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > GRATIS für alle WEB.DE-Nutzer: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! > > Jetzt freischalten unter http://movieflat.web.de > > > > > > > > -- Roman RW3ADB. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb05.mx.aol.com (rly-mb05.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.163]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB073-d0c4b1fd511ec; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:49:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB058-d0c4b1fd511ec; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:49:22 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIPhr-0003B0-5D for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:48:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIPhq-0003Ar-Nj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:48:02 +0000 Received: from mail-yx0-f203.google.com ([209.85.210.203]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIPhp-0004HY-Cn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:48:02 +0000 Received: by yxe41 with SMTP id 41so17435830yxe.30 for ; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:47:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=G53Yb04Qq7zYPxsQylYgc2OSx41NMSs8LB11KQbK2eY=; b=UkNYauCTURrFILQV7QrlM5KIbtO1dq+YGtQiUgDAq+o/uIAGvMj/cGSEv3fPmB15/C 8hpngXTVGVj7RAq6498Fp+P1SxWA2KO2Eg0XVXU8XS9BKuso4EyPjB//mkNIZ4lvg9xK 2sXR43xnvq7FO+17BivKdAGWZNGrzp84Jp010= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=JVj7brDOnDQ+RprnXNS8ccUy6ZfHP3BlJOzR4aTnk64uYAhPlDHsNCODJZOFYr9eii /pX4IziZXnfPkrtbeMIai6jeOsFCtFVZcq0nV0q/tZ4qMvx92J2nGYG95xPT8V4LlXvy ckhCOMQkONiDsI9OH8SibUNlitibOr/Y6qx6Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.179.12 with SMTP id b12mr16908339ybf.156.1260377273128; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:47:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <135E792448854F708A9745D2BD305468@gmc.net> References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <135E792448854F708A9745D2BD305468@gmc.net> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 11:47:53 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca70912090847g630617d9od95b7317be42b420@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m227.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Petr, I understand your concern. I doubt that W&S will sell very many (perhaps none?) at this price. 100 watts is not much power at this frequency and 690 GBP (827 Euro) is a lot of money for this TX. In any case a ham would have to build the antenna and obtain a means to measure swr - there is still work to do even if you don't build the transmitter. Ropex was hampered by having a single crystal controlled frequency and the crystal was relatively hard to change - BUT it was much cheaper that the TX-2200a! --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2009/12/9 Petr Mal=FD : > Well, I am not sure that it is a good news, in fact. So far only people= that > were able and willing to build their own TX's (Ropex First was not a hit= , > was it) were on the band. And the ham-spirit existed on the band. Someth= ing > that I loved and admired most. > I am sure some people will invest the money. It will be much easier for= them > to get on the band and therefore they will not appreciate the band as we > did. Hopefully no one will start to produce the loading coils as well.= At > least something that the newcomers should manage. > > 73, Petr, OK1FIG > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 4:30 PM > Subject: LF: TX-2200A > > >> Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 >> Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver >> muting. >> Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! >> >> http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf >> >> >> >> 73 Warren K2ORS >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XGJ >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XSH/23 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XEB/2 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XGR/1 >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature database 4673 (20091209) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signa= ture > database 4673 (20091209) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md04.mx.aol.com (rly-md04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.142]) by air-md02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD023-8fa4b18121d325; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:32:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD042-8fa4b18121d325; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:31:43 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGHNo-0003sw-PW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:30:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGHNo-0003sn-B7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:30:32 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGHNn-0007lr-Fm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:30:32 +0000 Received: by pwi18 with SMTP id 18so344898pwi.4 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:30:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Yz7TXHgGRcN5v/If45SrWGpCS2rSkqXKD++StxfEz+M=; b=gQZIGzqixzSmo1Fzpbfpox41vf+w9V4t0DJ1sngZ37Q5fyiqFjmDZOsf/dASodZLc+ Q32axKZbZ+xSBIZjOLF5HSLR4WraATvnfQ+IhlDDse7wM27kh47fz1C91+Vqo7DoDFDV MMbVGsAYJw1wLL3K7FCbxgI1fgIkIoJv/dv1A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=fdaibtiYWNyzpLJkyesPaJs5mAaVS3XP+j8PflGWw9nkru1CE79IMsG5t2AcM8UN+v FoodziOg8TUgp0xfefl/tnojzFQJhNUMqXhnb7atc2zYfaRz4jmOSbvfhCMt4KblB/Nh 9oGj0xW/0I2/tb5++lLxFlLKds/pYAdrV4/XY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.170.13 with SMTP id s13mr120920rve.117.1259868624466; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:30:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20091203194531.or926chzk844g4k8@webmail6.kuleuven.be> References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B16987B.9000002@usa.net> <4B179DE6.3050608@usa.net> <20091203194531.or926chzk844g4k8@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 19:30:24 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2538c60fc4b1be8c Message-ID: <1f0624b90912031130h43907489v2d13f8cfc00ec8fc@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd2999ed335db0479d805ba X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m211.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd2999ed335db0479d805ba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Rik, LF, I have run my 300 watt class D Tx at 1 watt ERP on 500kHz & my Mini-Whip is only about 4 metres away & is still working OK. Very solid design. 73, Gary - G4WGT. 2009/12/3 Rik Strobbe > Roelof, > > I cannot agree, a Belgian beer can will provide at least 10dB better SNR > ;-) > > Now serious: I have been thinking about a simple but good RX antenna for > LF, MF and the lower HF range and you mini-whip seems the right solution. > But will the preamp survive when pumping a few 100W into my 500kHz TX > antenna (lazy-L) that will be only 25m away ? > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > Quoting Roelof Bakker : > > Hello Alberto, >> >> I am not much in beer myself, but there seems to be a famous Dutch brand, >> that I can recommend! >> >> 73, >> Roelof, pa0rdt >> >> >> > > > --000e0cd2999ed335db0479d805ba Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rik, LF,

I have run my 300 watt class D Tx at 1 watt ER= P on 500kHz & my Mini-Whip is only about 4 metres away & is still= working OK. Very solid design.

73,
Gary - G4WGT.

2009/12/3 Rik= Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
Roelof,

I cannot agree, a Belgian beer can will provide at least 10dB better SNR= ;-)

Now serious: I have been thinking about a simple but good RX antenna for= LF, MF and the lower HF range and you mini-whip seems the right solution.=
But will the preamp survive when pumping a few 100W into my 500kHz TX ante= nna (lazy-L) that will be only 25m away ?

73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T


Quoting Roelof Bakker <roelof@ndb.demon.nl>:

Hello Alberto,

I am not much in beer myself, but there seems to be a famous Dutch brand,<= br> that I can recommend!

73,
Roelof, pa0rdt






--000e0cd2999ed335db0479d805ba-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df07.mx.aol.com (rly-df07.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.20]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF082-5674b2b615e1c3; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 06:03:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF078-5674b2b615e1c3; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 06:02:56 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLaXJ-0000gA-Mw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:58:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLaXJ-0000g1-BM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:58:17 +0000 Received: from psmtp13.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.25]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLaa2-0003Aq-1p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:01:08 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp13.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KUU009U3HAMA6@psmtp13.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:01:35 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:01:12 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <573323820EB74A7CBE1147662C7C100D@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: xgj 18-12.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_sXZ/Da/oY85pvYT/uxfQNQ)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --Boundary_(ID_sXZ/Da/oY85pvYT/uxfQNQ) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_nY2DebFGlzZ0ra7Vf3L7UA)" --Boundary_(ID_nY2DebFGlzZ0ra7Vf3L7UA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Warren,LF Capture XGJ Henny cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: xgj 18-12.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. --Boundary_(ID_nY2DebFGlzZ0ra7Vf3L7UA) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Hi Warren,LF
Capture XGJ
Henny cpm
best 73s
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ESMTP id <20091215104855.RMEH2093.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:48:55 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:48:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B276993.20102.2F3B53E@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC66@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> References: <4B250D02.733.14E9A34@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com>, <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC66@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1ggfb5FlKZQUfF3vzm9UBYZ2uTfLsbs/8dSljwg5+mE= c=1 sm=0 a=O9dtVte1ovYA:10 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=M_HgAKFWd3RFuGdMFhwA:9 a=khjKGsC3Q3Vw4avutksQ3pI76dYA:4 a=HoX5Jy1NpWjuyRrJ:21 a=p_wtBvFYH2H4AFiB:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: AW: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On 15 Dec 2009 at 11:03, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > If the "gain" or better said SNR between qrss30 and qrss3 is 10dB, so > can I do a QSO to VK with 1W TX Power and an antenna efficiency of > 1/1000 if I choose QRSS10000000000? That's a litte jokingly formulated > but you know what I mean. In other words, where are the limitations of > this rule?=20 =20 This is certainly theoretically possible, but only if 'ground-wave'=20 is being used. If you are using sky-wave - as all intercontinental=20 QSOs have so far - you are limited by the length of time that the=20 path is open. Between UK and eastern US, this is a maximum of a few=20 hours, but often very much less, which is why the speed must be a=20 compromise between length of the 'opening' and the length to transmit=20 the information. This compromise usually result in using QRSS60.=20 Between Europe and VK/ZL any 'opening' is likely to be only a few=20 minutes making a two-way QSO extremely difficult. > So, qsos could be done much faster if choosing 10x the > power and stay in qrss3. The additional advantage would be, if I try > to do a TA QSO I could just stay in the region of 137.7 and those who > are qrv in qrss3 and only watch the qrss3-sector would get a nice > signal and thus more fascination for the LF-hobby=20 Yes, in theory, and very occasionally over the last few years VE/US=20 beacons have been recorded at QRSS3. In the UK, a few stations can=20 manage to transmit 1W ERP. Despite that, there is no evidence of a=20 QRSS3 two-way across the Atlantic.=20 =20 I suggest you monitor the US beacon transmissions around 137.777kHz=20 each night. These are very well engineered high power stations and=20 you will be surprised how difficult the path is, even at their speeds=20 of about QRSS60..=20 Better still, try running some overnight transmissions of your own -=20 there are US stations who will monitor for you if you announce it to=20 this group. Good luck. Mike, G3XDV =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md01.mx.aol.com (rly-md01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.139]) by air-md01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD013-8e34b17dfca14e; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:57:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD013-8e34b17dfca14e; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:57:00 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGE2B-0002cz-KB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:55:59 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGE2B-0002cq-3u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:55:59 +0000 Received: from web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com ([69.147.97.72]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGE27-0006R6-KT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:55:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 17124 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Dec 2009 15:55:49 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1259855749; bh=mkYT+fyv7HAiIK64D4g+a9ozpqMc6IsMvv1iYTfiryE=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Yr064TbPBuSfmQBDLVUWW2WyLyEVNcoo7HhmZ6TkAJMAsvpW16XYNsRPWXPuRg/tW0r7siYJ9AtE9wGivThNjkzUHEy+ZQ/+nsMD0bYivdzy72E/8/JD+GksOGkyP8vyoZr2qsbuoVz/f0DUoWqFPXp/4xVPbAs2rn7AWil4ifE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FT1SMsd7UsN8qR3jwLlyhinI68Ip8d3ZqpqfGZ8/pmg/UmY6pduOhHgAcQ/7SWTvjTBwqj1wINUs7kx42Nx+mJlvkGWOI76wCjDqVyxK39gE06CCc4fvp9l0eL/gnJJiEkCJvypaRZEhOA/hErZLv98sFb601nyOsrDZ3pVLN2o=; Message-ID: <583529.17003.qm@web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: DM.NO6UVM1lFL.YtFZ9KVRhDiQ4j81IDwrWnw73oJtpVDr4FQm56N18ByBT1j_L_2i_aXV90Q_GgQsfD7Wkw5b0jdMmVNZ1wMgPkPXOH779xoR3cpvcsQ5CWWq.wD7MIdGADtddqboFKErenokFp2LMy69bL3FmSqTVi7MIUX88aFTy_UVDOSRyxNcqYi9R3YnV9ZTXoOb1UawWj13AlrkT1vPmaSGihug_8LtJkfupDabT5LOF4q441c2L_mMbMiRTkGj4VGHF6gYyS6zd.3Rb0_81ESQesbGABfM2HnWq8yfMS3Kl3QV7kWwAVcMP8kdesdL2xD8qitVPb0NBffUB_jrzclkiCq8xhEqxaSoI5Sz2jQwcn9uRXq4zUiUIKSpfQqjSgrLrq3o6bzwxxUUvTWfhosR3Vhg1YY4nn2tL.Lw-- Received: from [98.86.4.36] by web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:55:49 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 07:55:49 -0800 (PST) From: Andy - KU4XR To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <1516926426@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: QRM by the Waterfall Display Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d310.2 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : pass --- On Thu, 12/3/09, Horst St=F6cker wrote: > One of the ugliest QRM sources is the waterfall display of > ARGO which can be heard much to loud. >=20 > The QRM is really HF, not a problem of the soundcard. >=20 > I have Siemens Thinkpad Laptop. >=20 > Does anyone know this effect?? >=20 > Horst Horst: The source is the video output of your computer, and laptops are notably worse than desktop computers. Every time that=20 the ARGO waterfall scrolls, you hear a Brrrp, Brrrp noise. If it is the video output, you can tell by looking at pages on the web. Every time the screen changes you will hear noises thru your speakers. It is internal noise in the computer, and I have not found a way to stop it here. I also have the same problem while using Spectran, Spectrum Lab, WinRAD, MultiPSK, any program with a waterfall display makes noise when it scrolls. 73 to you ::: Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29866 KHz ( QRSS-60 ) Coordinates: N: 35* 43' 54" - W: 84* 3' 16" http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr http://webpages.charter.net/ku4xr/ --- On Thu, 12/3/09, Horst St=F6cker wrote: > From: Horst St=F6cker > Subject: LF: QRM by the Waterfall Display > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 10:26 AM > Hello all, >=20 > still preparing for 136 kHz and 500 kHz RECEPTION I > installed a T-Antenna (about 10m high with a 20m wire as > top) to my selective level meter mv-62. >=20 > DCF 37 as reference is more than strong enough. WRW (NDB > Wrozlaw) was heard on 525 kHz, some other NDB too. But > usually the weak HAM signals in this bands can not be > heard/seen because of too much QRM. >=20 > One of the ugliest QRM sources is the waterfall display of > ARGO which can be heard much to loud. >=20 > The QRM is really HF, not a problem of the soundcard. >=20 > I have Siemens Thinkpad Laptop. >=20 > Does anyone know this effect?? >=20 > Horst > ____________________________________________________________________ > Sarah Kreuz, die DSDS-Siegerin der Herzen, mit ihrem > eindrucksvollen > Deb=FCtalbum "One Moment in Time". http://produkte.web.de/go/05/ >=20 >=20 >=20 =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db01.mx.aol.com (rly-db01.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.76]) by air-db08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB083-aa94b26fdb613; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:08:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB017-aa94b26fdb613; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:08:40 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKNjU-0003y7-NJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:05:52 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKNjU-0003xy-6B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:05:52 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s33.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKNku-0007Rn-5I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:07:21 +0000 Received: from BLU146-W12 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s33.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:07:10 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [138.32.244.2] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:07:10 -0900 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4B26CFC2.20402@inext.at> References: <4B26CFC2.20402@inext.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2009 03:07:10.0359 (UTC) FILETIME=[B1390A70:01CA7D33] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_fee9d767-abd1-46e5-a0e2-cc22699c9118_" Subject: LF: BY3A Ops OSsi - X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_fee9d767-abd1-46e5-a0e2-cc22699c9118_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ossi that jpg code gets wiped and updated on the server with the next capt= ure - Ill review the files if you dont have a local copy - yes there was= a "lift/tilt" this morning to the East just at pre dawn but it appears as= ever very selective. DCF39 was down at dawn but that data signal between= the mark and space was up to S7! =20 Overall the 137 qsb was very long and deep later in the night and certainl= y for the stations about the and >5000Kms mark conditions tended to be bet= ter mid evening their time, save the dawn. WPF was strong last night at ti= mes. =20 If you see that line in 137.77500 its a Russian Loran signal and gives you= an idea of how my calibration is on the R75. There are a few over lines= around too. =20 I did have an annoying noise come up occasionally which covers a large are= a outside and does reduce the sensitivity during an "event" =20 Nothing seen on 500 last night - if anyone wants to have another go at WOL= F or WSPR on any both of the bands I can take a look. =20 =20 Tomorrow, Wednesday night is the last night Ill be on from China :-( =20 regards =20 Laurence KL 1 X in BY3 A OM89UA =20 =20 When available - shared - normally active on LF after China dusk - China= snappers will close after this Wednesday - screen autoupdate Internet wil= ling http://kl1x.com/137777China.html China No. 1 receiver (R75 shared probe= ) http://kl1x.com/136318china.html China No. 2 receiver (SDR IQ shared pro= be) http://kl1x.com/Alaska.html Palinville Palmer/Wasilla Alaska (R7= 5 K9AY Set Omni) =20 > Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:52:34 +0100 > From: o.ossy@inext.at > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: BY3A >=20 > http://kl1x.com/777China00000.jpg >=20 > Hallo Dimityr ! > Thanks fer info again, > now its reality the sunrise in china bringing up my signal on BY3A on=20 > 137,775.2 > 73 ossi oe5odl >=20 >=20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/=3D --_fee9d767-abd1-46e5-a0e2-cc22699c9118_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ossi that jpg code gets wiped and updated on the server with the next= capture - Ill review the files if you dont have a local copy - yes there&= nbsp;was a "lift/tilt" this morning to the East just at pre dawn but= it appears as ever very selective. DCF39 was down at dawn but that= data signal between the mark and space  was up to S7!
 
O= verall the 137 qsb was very long and deep later in the night and cert= ainly for the stations about the and >5000Kms mark conditions tended to= be better mid evening their time, save the dawn. WPF was strong last= night at times.
 
If you see that line in 137.77500 its a Russ= ian Loran signal and gives you an idea of how my calibration is on the R75= . There are a few over lines around too.
 
I did have= an annoying noise come up occasionally which covers a large are= a outside and does reduce the sensitivity during an "event"
 
N= othing seen on 500 last night - if anyone wants to have another go at WOLF= or WSPR on any both of the bands I can take a look. 
 
Tomorrow, Wednesday night is the last night Ill be on from China :-(
&n= bsp;
regards
 
Laurence
KL 1 X in BY3 A OM89UA
 
 
When available - shared - normally active on LF after China dusk - China= snappers will close after this Wednesday - screen autoupdate Internet wil= ling

http://kl1x.com/137777Chi= na.html  China No. 1 receiver (R75 shared probe )
http://kl1x.com/136318china.h= tml  China No. 2 receiver (SDR IQ  shared probe)
http://kl1x.com/Alaska.html&nb= sp;         Palinville Palmer/Wasi= lla Alaska  (R75 K9AY Set Omni)
 
> Date: Tue, 15 Dec= 2009 00:52:34 +0100
> From: o.ossy@inext.at
> To: rsgb_lf_gro= up@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: BY3A
>
> http://kl1x.c= om/777China00000.jpg
>
> Hallo Dimityr !
> Thanks fer= info again,
> now its reality the sunrise in china bringing up my= signal on BY3A on
> 137,775.2
> 73 ossi oe5odl
>
&= gt;


Hotmail: Free, trusted and ri= ch email service. Get it now. =3D --_fee9d767-abd1-46e5-a0e2-cc22699c9118_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc01.mx.aol.com (rly-mc01.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.85]) by air-mc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC044-d514b1b97194c; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:36:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC011-d514b1b97194c; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:35:55 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHFOM-0004Je-3s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:35:06 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHFOL-0004JT-Bx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:35:05 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHFOJ-0007xt-PY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:35:05 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.1]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091206112958.FDWB27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:29:58 +0000 Received: from [81.109.251.184] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHFJN-0002CD-OH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:29:58 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <002801ca765e$f543b8e0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <9afca2640912060240x3892a5d0o71d5082089b54a2c@mail.gmail.com> <001901ca7664$d1513dd0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:29:55 -0000 Message-ID: <015a01ca7667$6fc6d090$0317aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: Acp2ZPtltTqUUYcPThWhIojNhO0fUQAAUO+w In-Reply-To: <001901ca7664$d1513dd0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=nN7BH9HXAAAA:8 a=fnYqA7hvAAAA:8 a=j6Q1dnSHAAAA:8 a=V-dNdtHkFusEXE4viDIA:9 a=gLGx7VlPOm1OCLI4NGUA:7 a=caeJK2LONDBOGMg5xSJG5KX05-sA:4 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=muIvw5a9-cgA:10 a=gA6IeH5FQcgA:10 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 a=BasB6fiwQdjzv-xT:21 a=TbApdMMNWDZUbc87:21 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=PZlxuyKcF8OdK73ewTQA:9 a=jwi4ZOeISJBVyF2hEnsA:7 a=3WoUXImd9CP3o0YR60yNBjndnysA:4 a=528HMbSNfIrM0wP8:21 a=JajmPStlvxZ16V5g:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: 500 pirate Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_015B_01CA7667.6FC6D090" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_015B_01CA7667.6FC6D090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Mal Well you have now!! Thanx for the email confirmation that I made it up to you. Broom to Scarborough not bad for my system! Vy psd As for my CWup, I'm still learning the ropes, but it is very pleasing to see so many friendly and helpful types on the band who have been giving me no end of support and guidance as I learn the procedures, (chris jim rik roger dennis pete gary graham gus john p-g and lee to name but a few) A nice friendly band in general. Thanx again for confirmation and helpful suggestions on procedure, I shall add you to my list! With best regards Jim _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 06 December 2009 11:11 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 500 pirate Never heard a G7 on cw before Never had a 557 (tone 7) before Never had a repeative Beacon report before. Never had a report in the past before a QSO started. This appears to me to be a PIRATE are you sure it is who you think it is ? I have not encountered this callsign before. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 10:40 AM Subject: Re: LF: 500 pirate It was G7NKS - no pirate. 2009/12/6 mal hamilton Some G7 stn calling me in Beacon mode giving me 557 report and Loc. Could be a Pirate, unusual procedure. G3KEV -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_015B_01CA7667.6FC6D090 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Mal

 

Well you have= now!!  Thanx for the email confirmation that I made it up to you.  Broom to Scarborough not bad for my system! Vy psd

 

As for my CWup,= I’m still learning the ropes, but it is very pleasing to see so many friendly and helpful= types on the band who have been giving me no end of support and guidance as I= learn the procedures, (chris jim rik roger dennis pete gary graham gus john p-g= and lee to name but a few)

 

A nice friendly= band in general.

 

Thanx again for= confirmation and helpful suggestions on procedure, I shall add you to my list!

 

With best regards=

 

 

Jim

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org [mailto:owner-= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 06 December 2009= 11:11
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: 500 pi= rate

 

Never heard a G7 on cw before

 

Never had a 557 (tone 7) before<= /font>

 

Never had a repeative Beacon report bef= ore.

 

Never had a report in the past before&n= bsp;a QSO started.

 

This appears to me to be a PIRATE = are you sure it is who you think it is ?

 

I have not encountered this callsign be= fore.

 

G3KEV

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent:= Sunday, December 06, 2009 10:40 AM

Subject: Re: LF: 500 pirate

 

It was G7NKS -= no pirate.

2009/12/6 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net= >

Some G7 stn calling me in Beacon = mode giving me 557 report and Loc. Could be a Pirate, unusual procedure.

G3KEV

 




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------=_NextPart_000_015B_01CA7667.6FC6D090-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me03.mx.aol.com (rly-me03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.36]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME062-9a74b29f8b8cc; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 04:24:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME033-9a74b29f8b8cc; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 04:24:10 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLCWs-0001UW-HF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:20:14 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLCWs-0001UN-5M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:20:14 +0000 Received: from mx01.infotech.at ([213.174.240.1]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLCZZ-0002UB-4K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:23:03 +0000 Received: from [213.174.255.11] by mx01.infotech.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLCZY-00034W-A3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:23:00 +0100 Message-ID: <4B29F862.5070005@inext.at> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:22:42 +0100 From: Oberreiter Oswald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: OSSI 17-12.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) hello henny! tnx fer pic changed something on the antenna i think it works bether. very good conds last night 73 ossi henny van elst schrieb: > Hello LF, > Strong signal Ossi, > best 73s > henny cpm........... > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > OSSI 17-12.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen > virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet > toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt > weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df07.mx.aol.com (rly-df07.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.20]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF011-5624b23ec4e32a; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:17:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF073-5624b23ec4e32a; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:17:35 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJXSC-0002tD-Sf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:16:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJXSC-0002t4-HP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:16:32 +0000 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJXSH-00026Y-I9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:16:39 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: At4EAEh7I0tZ8eex/2dsb2JhbACIX8sahCsEgWI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,388,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="192875740" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.241.231.177]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2009 19:16:32 +0000 Message-ID: <002001ca7b5f$99d3e1f0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <001401ca7b56$dfedfbc0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4B23E5C8.3030408@inext.at> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:16:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Racket Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 This is not oe5odl he is on a different frequency using qrs3 g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oberreiter Oswald" To: Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 6:49 PM Subject: Re: LF: Racket > ----- what ist ? > its the nr 5 from oe5odl qrss80 > 73 > > mal hamilton schrieb: > > What is that racket every night on 137.5 kcs, some sort of arabic > > script 2 mins on and 2 mins off. > > g3kev > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md07.mx.aol.com (rly-md07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.145]) by air-md10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD103-9124b30d7e931b; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 09:30:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD072-9124b30d7e931b; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 09:30:02 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NN5dk-0006OY-N1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:23:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NN5dk-0006OP-5l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:23:08 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NN5iR-00061T-4M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:28:00 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.1]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091222142853.LWFA17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:28:53 +0000 Received: from [86.27.92.51] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NN5jI-0007Pk-Fd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:28:53 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <8bf118410912220547m5e4d0e60o527fcb87c62010d9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:28:47 -0000 Message-ID: <015601ca8313$12e2ef40$0217aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcqDDY3IH08vzcx8QICrwA2U2impnwABHYng X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <8bf118410912220547m5e4d0e60o527fcb87c62010d9@mail.gmail.com> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=8RloEfZUAAAA:8 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=0v3MbbH0AAAA:8 a=nUuTZ29dAAAA:8 a=9h1oTapCOFi4V8hbF4UA:9 a=CGKgUgcoYc38SJfE7icA:7 a=YOStXc2cAu_c3EbLvHYtjY480k4A:4 a=O58u2wXj750A:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=A86hOIMpJ1IA:10 a=N8mGivRMCJHcOKXF:21 a=FR47vd7eSU4-_kTv:21 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=PZlxuyKcF8OdK73ewTQA:9 a=73dtebt0Dpyko0LHQLIA:7 a=UkuyTNIU0V-lzQdQ2upwRY7nd-kA:4 a=EzZiUz8eOD42yjgs:21 a=QLjgAYoWeIlelqjR:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: RE: LF: QOA? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0157_01CA8313.12E2EF40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=EXCUSE_16,HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0157_01CA8313.12E2EF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It may be an acronym for those of us who could be considered Quarrello= us Old Amateurs?? :-)=20 I would like to take this opportunity to wish you all the best for Chr= istmas and the holiday season and I hope you have a prosperous and successful= 2010 and thanks for all the guidance, tips, pointers in my first year on LF= /MF. Great to see that the NOV has been extended too =20 With best regards =20 =20 Jim =20 =20 Dr. James Cowburn G7NKS IO92UB =20 =20 E james.cowburn@virgin.net =20 The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it= is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If= you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must= not read this message. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking= of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other= than the intended recipient is prohibited. Consequently, this email is not intended to be contractually binding. If you received this in error, please contact the sender, return the= message as well as its attachments and delete the whole from any computer. _____ =20 From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave Pick Sent: 22 December 2009 13:48 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: QOA? =20 I think we need to get some badges made with QOA on them! Merry Christmas all. Dave G3YXM 2009/12/22 Petr Mal=FD Hi Lowfers, =20 I looked for some Q-codes recently and one of them struck my eyes. Do you know what QOA means? It means "can you/I can work telegraphy on 500kHz". =20 73 and have a nice X-mass, Petr, OK1FIG __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus sig= nature database 4708 (20091222) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --=20 G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK ------=_NextPart_000_0157_01CA8313.12E2EF40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It may be an= acronym for those of us who could be considered Quarrellous Old Amateurs??=A0=A0 J

I would like to take= this opportunity to wish you all the best for Christmas and the holiday season and I hope you have a prosperous and successful 2010 and thanks for all the guidance, tips, pointers in my= first year on LF/MF. =A0Great to see that the NOV has been extended too

 

With best regards

 

 

Jim

 

 

Dr. James Cowb= urn G7NKS

IO92U= B

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E = james.cowburn@virgin.net<= /font>

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The informati= on transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or pri= vileged material. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notifi= ed that you must not read this message.
Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking= of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other= than the intended recipient is prohibited.  Consequently, this email is no= t intended to be contractually binding.
If you received this in error, please contact the sender, return the= message as well as its attachments and delete the whole from any computer.=

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave Pick
Sent: 22 December 2009= 13:48
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: QOA?

 

I think we nee= d to get some badges made with QOA on them!

Merry Christmas all.

Dave G3YXM

2009/12/22 Petr Mal=FD <p.maly@gmc.net>

Hi Lowfers,

 

I looked for some Q-codes recently and= one of them struck my eyes.

Do you know what QOA means?

It means "can you/I can work tele= graphy on 500kHz".

 

73 and have a nice X-mass, Petr, OK1FI= G



__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus sig= nature database 4708 (20091222) __________

The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.

http://www.eset.com<= /a>




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G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK

------=_NextPart_000_0157_01CA8313.12E2EF40-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da10.mx.aol.com (rly-da10.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.84]) by air-da07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA074-a984b20dbd36f; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:30:44 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA108-a984b20dbd36f; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:30:29 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIhDG-0001TA-Hl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:29:38 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIhDG-0001T0-3Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:29:38 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIhDE-0007t2-HM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:29:38 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE94051C007 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:29:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9259131E703 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:29:26 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:29:44 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe References: <20091210100700.32DEC31E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20091210112926.9259131E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500kHz in Holland Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_14018031==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_14018031==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Just read this on http://www.iaru-r1.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=180&Itemid=133 : Netherlands: Full licence amateurs can opt for an experimental permit to conduct experiments in the band 501-504 kHz with a maximum power of 5 W EIRP and a maximum bandwitdth of 100 Hz. The experiments will start on 1 January 2010 and will continue for one year maximum. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T --=====================_14018031==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Just read this on http://www.iaru-r1.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=180&Itemid=133 :

Netherlands: Full licence amateurs can opt for an experimental permit to conduct experiments in the band 501-504 kHz with a maximum power of 5 W EIRP and a maximum bandwitdth of 100 Hz. The experiments will start on 1 January 2010 and will continue for one year maximum.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T --=====================_14018031==.ALT-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me02.mx.aol.com (rly-me02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.35]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME013-99d4b3486301; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 04:30:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME021-99d4b3486301; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 04:30:26 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NO6UP-0001nT-KV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:29:41 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NO6UP-0001nJ-6S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:29:41 +0000 Received: from psmtp12.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.24]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NO6UN-0006Sj-Cu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:29:41 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp12.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KV700AM2BP94Z@psmtp12.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:29:34 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:29:09 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: merry xmas.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_m+Vb1+NtcceioxnAS6oY6Q)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --Boundary_(ID_m+Vb1+NtcceioxnAS6oY6Q) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_3FfOYers3lgkLe2GvRfe8A)" --Boundary_(ID_3FfOYers3lgkLe2GvRfe8A) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Merry Xmas to All Henny cpm.............. Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: merry xmas.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. --Boundary_(ID_3FfOYers3lgkLe2GvRfe8A) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Merry Xmas to All
Henny cpm..............
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
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(VPS 091202-0, 02/12/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST=0.766,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: info's F8boj Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7372.BAAB1280" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7372.BAAB1280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HI LF To test station at the bottom of Band I will be QRV 136319.20 hz QRSS60 for 20H utc Notice to fans DX and the control's is welcome Claude f8boj JN16WA ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7372.BAAB1280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
HI LF
To=20 test station at the bottom of Band I will be QRV
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7372.BAAB1280-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.19]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE043-5eb04b332db262; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 04:00:34 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 91B2C380000EE; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 04:00:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNjXl-0007A2-KT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 08:59:37 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNjXl-00079t-3a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 08:59:37 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNjXj-00006D-0p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 08:59:37 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 24 Dec 2009 08:59:28 -0000 Received: from p5DC42601.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.196.38.1] by mail.gmx.net (mp072) with SMTP; 24 Dec 2009 09:59:28 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19BPygUD4hBl1FsTTg8nK6pHkI4O/rxQbvszUD0kc t2k6zsHjcQOFD5 Message-ID: <004e01ca8477$661e0ae0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <8bf118410912220547m5e4d0e60o527fcb87c62010d9@mail.gmail.com> <001a01ca8397$56623ee0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> <1261557395.4b31d69400a8f@imp.netikka.net> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:59:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.5 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR:Good TA conds on MF last night Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60134b332db179e6 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Paul-Henrik, great log. We in the South and more than thousand km inland of the Atlantic ocean= have to struggle harder for TA logs. Last night was even better. I've spotted WD2XSH/17 23 times, six logs thereof with 1W (I assume ER= P) tx power. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Paul-Henrik" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 9:36 AM Subject: Re: LF: WSPR:Good TA conds on MF last night Hallo Clemens, LF +1 for good T/A MF condx. Received WE2XGR/6 loud and clear in normal= CW on 507.2kHz around 0430UTC. 73 and a Merry Christmas to all! Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ Vaasa / KP03SD Quoting Clemens Paul : > LF, > > I had several WSPR loggings like these last night. > 6251km is my personal record. > > 2009-12-23 00:20 WD2XSH/17 0.503890 +5 0 FN42pb = 10 > DL4RAJ JN68kj 6251 > 53 > 2009-12-23 00:16 WD2XSH/17 0.503890 +4 0 FN42pb = 10 > DL4RAJ JN68kj 6251 > 53 > > > Best Christmas wishes to all. > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.717 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.117/2581 - Ausgabedatum: 12/= 22/09 09:09:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc01.mx.aol.com (rly-mc01.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.85]) by air-mc06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC064-d544b22223612e; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:43:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC014-d544b22223612e; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:43:04 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ2ww-0005Om-9h for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:42:14 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ2wv-0005Od-QP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:42:13 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ2wv-0006xc-11 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:42:13 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap4GAD+xIUtOkHtC/2dsb2JhbACIaJtHsWuEKwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,381,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="313962698" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([78.144.123.66]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2009 10:42:02 +0000 Message-ID: <001b01ca7a4e$9532c290$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <20091210112926.9259131E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <814295.92224.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <20091211102206.3C5AB31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:42:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz in Holland Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I happen to know where a matching RX can be found for the Sait MT430B. It covers 0 - 30 Mhz with a film scale read out, similar to a Racal G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 10:22 AM Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz in Holland > Hi Alan, > > depend on how you define "inertia". > For me 600m is more experimentation than operation. > For the next weeks (months) I will be busy modifying my Sait MT430B > to a 400W all mode transmitter, including a transvertor from HF to 500kHz. > Meanwhile I am QRV in CW (and QRSS), listening almost every evening > and now and then trying to work a new station or trying a new mode. > But I am less interested in ragshewing or working the same stations > over and over again. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > PS :To avoid one more endless discussion: this is my way to enjoy > 600m, I know that other are more keen in operating and respect that. > Everyone should be able enjoy this band his (or her) way; live and let live ;-) > > > At 12:34 10/12/2009, you wrote: > >Hi Rik that sounds good it looks as though the "inertia" is slowly > >building up. Alan G3NYK --- On Thu, 10/12/09, Rik Strobbe > > wrote: > From: Rik Strobbe > > > Subject: LF: 500kHz in Holland > To: > >"rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" > > >Date: Thursday, 10 December, 2009, 11:29 > > > Just read this > >on > > > >http://www.iaru-r1.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=180&Ite mid=133 > > > : > > > Netherlands: Full licence amateurs > can opt for > an > >experimental permit to conduct experiments in the band > 501-504 > >kHz > with a maximum power of 5 W EIRP and a maximum bandwitdth > of > >100 Hz. The > experiments will start on 1 January 2010 and will > >continue > for one year > maximum. > > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (rly-mb01.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.154]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB053-ce74b22c86b3a5; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:32:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB013-ce74b22c86b3a5; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:32:12 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJE0l-0002aq-3D for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:30:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJE0k-0002ah-M1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:30:54 +0000 Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.12]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJE0k-0003lf-5K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:30:54 +0000 Received: from bb-87-82-21-225.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.21.225] helo=[192.168.0.3]) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NJE0j-000B1X-Bz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:30:53 +0000 Message-ID: <4B22C880.7060701@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:32:32 +0000 From: Peter Dodd User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <293720.25943.qm@web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <293720.25943.qm@web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: LF radio equipment G3AQC SK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) G3SAQ SK It has been my sad duty to help the Laurie's family dismantle his radio station. His LF radio equipment is for sale and comprises the Decca transmitter, power supplies and an assortment of coils and selective level meters. For a full list email me direct. I regret I cannot undertake to ship any of this equipment, it is a case of buyer collects. regards Peter, G3LDO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (rly-mg04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.110]) by air-mg03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG034-a0a4b16b702197; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:50:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG044-a0a4b16b702197; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:50:44 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFuGX-0006i8-K7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:49:29 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFuGW-0006hz-FB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:49:28 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFuGV-0007Nu-GU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:49:28 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48A042ACF8B for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:49:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps03.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.132] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.58V) with ESMTP id XID643NLBsxq6720X01; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:49:16 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.132 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps03.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID643NLBsxq6720X01 Received: from [192.168.1.4] [151.47.216.216] by cmsapps03.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 000NLBsxo9040M39; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:49:14 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.216.216 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.4] Message-ID: <4B16B6A7.9000805@usa.net> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:49:11 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200912021848460547.0592D856@smtp2.numeo.fr> In-Reply-To: <200912021848460547.0592D856@smtp2.numeo.fr> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID000NLBsxo9040X39 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Sound card sampling rate Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) John RABSON wrote: > I am running a USB-connected Creative Labs sound blaster model SB0270 with Argo V1 build 134 on an XP SP3 system. > How do I find out the sampling rate, please? The sampling rate of a sound card up to Windows 98 used to be set at the hardware level by the program that used the card. The program called a Windows API telling it that it should set the card, let's say, at 11025 Hz as sampling frequency. If the card was capable of that rate, ok, otherwise Windows came back with an error to the requesting program. Windows XP changed this scenario. If the card is not capable at the hardware level to support a specific sampling rate, then Windows silently does a under-the-hood software resampling, so that to please the requesting program, no matter what the requested sampling rate is. Many manufacturers of cheap sound cards or sound chips took advantage of this, designing sound cards that were capable of 48 kHz only, then relying on Windows to provide the other rates. Needles to say, the resampling done by Windows is far from optimal... that's why the manufacturers of sound cards intended for serious musical applications (studio recording, etc.) do clearly specify in the specs of the card that the various sampling rates are 'hardware sampling rates', no Windows involved... That said, and coming to Argo, when you are in full band view mode, Argo sets the sampling frequency at 11025 Hz, while in one of the QRSS modes it is set to 5125 Hz. In CW mode it is set to 22050 Hz. When I will find the time to rejuvenate Argo, I will change that. I will ask Windows to sample at 48 kHz, and this will give me the real hardware sampling rate, then I will use the fractional ratio resampling code that I wrote for Winrad, which works better than Windows resampling, to resample down to the needed sampling rate. But, as said, this will happen when I will find the time.... 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.18]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE074-5ebd4b3a80cb34; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:20:59 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C3846380000E0; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:20:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPkPx-0001Fd-2a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:19:53 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPkPw-0001FU-KI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:19:52 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s11.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.21]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPkPu-0002kY-8V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:19:52 +0000 Received: from COL122-W24 ([65.55.34.7]) by col0-omc1-s11.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:19:38 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:19:38 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4B3A7150.6070802@toya.net.pl> References: <1BCA5076F8C144B0957BD8853BEA599A@LAPTOP> ,<4B3A7150.6070802@toya.net.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2009 22:19:38.0574 (UTC) FILETIME=[028DCEE0:01CA88D5] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_c079ebb2-aee5-4e10-b5a6-79ad4a87b41b_" Subject: LF: Grabber X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41124b3a80ca182d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_c079ebb2-aee5-4e10-b5a6-79ad4a87b41b_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Piotr, LF! Thanks for your grabber - the picture is very nice! I hope, your grabber will be often active. 73! Lubos, OK2BVG=20 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:14:56 +0100 From: sq7mpj@toya.net.pl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Stations on 505kHz last night. =20 =20 Lubos OK2BVG wrote: Hello Michael, LF! OK, DI2AM is on 505.180kHz. I don=B4t know, who is on 505,030kHz, but my beacon OK0EMW is on 505,060kHz. It transmit a text:=20 "Beacon OK0EMW JN88KS" . These letters "KS" might be "XS", which you listened. You can try to listen my beacon signal next night. 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS Hi Lubos , LF i've switched on my grabber on 505 khz =20 http://www.toya.net.pl/~mlynarski it will be active till 2300-2330 UTC this evening=20 your signal is very strong, audible ; also DI2AG is visible yours, Piotr, sq7mpj qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED infor= mace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_c079ebb2-aee5-4e10-b5a6-79ad4a87b41b_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Piotr, LF!
Thanks for your grabber - the picture is very nice= !
I hope, your grabber will be often active.
73!

Lubos, OK2BV= G
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:14:56 +0100
Fro= m: sq7mpj@toya.net.pl
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re:= LF: Stations on 505kHz last night.

=20 Lubos OK2BVG wrote:
Hello Michael, LF!
OK, DI2AM is on 505.180kHz. I don=B4t know, who is on 505,030kHz, but my beacon OK0EMW is on 505,060kHz. It transmit a text:
"Beacon OK0EMW JN88KS" . These letters "KS" might be "XS", which you listened.  You can try to listen my beacon signal next night.
73!
Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
Hi Lubos , LF
i've switched on my grabber on 505 khz 
   http://www.toya.net.pl/~mlynarski
it will  be active till 2300-2330  UTC this evening
your signal is very strong, audible ;  also DI2AG is visible

            &n= bsp;           &nbs= p;        yours, Piotr, sq7mpj

qth: Lodz /jo91rs/

Kter=FD po=E8=EDta= =E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. =3D --_c079ebb2-aee5-4e10-b5a6-79ad4a87b41b_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (rly-mb03.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.161]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB073-cfb4b207ea1b5; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:53:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB037-cfb4b207ea1b5; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:52:51 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIb0G-000811-UC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:51:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIb0G-00080s-JI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:51:48 +0000 Received: from defout.telus.net ([204.209.205.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIb0F-0008SJ-69 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:51:48 +0000 Received: from edmwaa02.telusplanet.net ([75.157.163.71]) by priv-edmwes24.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091210045144.RXJF16249.priv-edmwes24.telusplanet.net@edmwaa02.telusplanet.net> for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 21:51:44 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.67] (d75-157-163-71.bchsia.telus.net [75.157.163.71]) by edmwaa02.telusplanet.net (BorderWare Security Platform) with ESMTP id 63193054A3BC3FED for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 21:51:44 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <4B207E60.5030104@telus.net> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:51:44 +0000 From: Scott Tilley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) I think this is the rig used by some of the early JAs that tried the trans pacific path this fall. Saw something like it on a JA website. 73 Scott Warren Ziegler wrote: > Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 > Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver > muting. > Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! > > http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf > > > > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (rly-dd03.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.150]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD022-b674b1a4316110; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 06:25:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD031-b674b1a4316110; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 06:25:12 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGskK-00068y-Ny for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 11:24:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGskK-00068p-DK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 11:24:16 +0000 Received: from psmtp31.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.33]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGskJ-0002jz-S8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 11:24:16 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp31.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KU600JI3FO9J9@psmtp31.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 12:24:10 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 12:24:11 +0100 From: henny van elst To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <003f01ca7598$8f181780$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: strong signal 05-12.jpg Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Andrey,LF, tu,I was looking in qrss60 slow, henny pa3cpm best 73s ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 11:48 AM Subject: LF: Re: strong signal 05-12.jpg > Hi Henny, > It is Ossi OE5ODL in qrss4. > > 73 Andrey > > >> Hi,LF >> Strong signal.137.775khz >> henny pa3cpm >> 73s -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.94/2545 - Release Date: 12/04/09 19:34:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD092-91b4b2df572214; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 04:59:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD083-91b4b2df572214; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 04:59:16 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMIU6-0006Tv-Kg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 09:53:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMIU6-0006Tm-6E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 09:53:54 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMIXk-0004MI-4b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 09:57:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 27655 invoked by uid 507); 20 Dec 2009 10:58:13 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2009 10:58:13 +0100 Message-ID: <200912201058160899.2B6A2E1A@smtp2.numeo.fr> In-Reply-To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <346854e9698cbf94f4483c66682bb63b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <4B2CDA00.6080504@att.net> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 10:58:16 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: E thingies Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On 19/12/2009 at 16:33 Laurence BY3A-KL1X China wrote: >I cant help walking >around towns now and view the skyline and each building and visualise how >the LF E field signal is disrupted close in by these new high rises that >now dominate some skylines. I believe high rises for residential purposes fell out of favour a few yea= rs ago in the UK, but probably not for commercial property. 73 John F5VLF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me09.mx.aol.com (rly-me09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.43]) by air-me07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME071-9da4b2565bc1; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:08:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME096-9da4b2565bc1; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:07:58 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJwa6-0001S8-P4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:06:22 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJwa6-0001Rz-Df for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:06:22 +0000 Received: from mcgi75.rambler.ru ([81.19.67.218]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJwao-0005n3-KC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:07:09 +0000 Received: from [81.195.12.12] by mcgi75.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Mon, 14 Dec 2009 01:07:04 +0300 From: Roman RW3ADB To: Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 01:07:04 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <002c01ca7c1b$48b827b0$6402a8c0@e7010> Message-Id: <739944149.1260742025.45659528.33592@mcgi75.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (untone), http://mail.rambler.ru X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG QRO QRSS3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Walter, LF! Grabber started ON: http://qrss.nm.ru/grabber.html Roman * Walter und Marianne Staubach [Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:39:52 +0100]: > Dear MF, > DI2AG is now transmitting in QRSS3 with more power - 2W ERP > instead of 0.4W ERP. Please your reports via wum.staubach@t-online.de or > dj2lf@darc.de > The machine will run until tomorrow 7UTC - if she does the job. > Thanks and 73 > Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF > > > -- Roman RW3ADB. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.76]) by air-da05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA053-863d4b34e259269; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:03:37 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 893F9380000F2; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:03:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOCcs-0002vy-Gz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 16:02:50 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOCcs-0002vp-4d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 16:02:50 +0000 Received: from mail-yw0-f190.google.com ([209.85.211.190]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOCcp-0008A2-UK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 16:02:50 +0000 Received: by ywh28 with SMTP id 28so13616476ywh.16 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 08:02:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=tYx5phy4prUIiKbm4iAfX3dtZ+P9JrBUftdNYmKdTcM=; b=prHHewbDsQsYIAuXuvvCjXG1Le+PHBjkyCBJ4RfE1eXPoJRTH1a28wkmKODLfIkDjA Fq1xmNVg1/Ir+SOeiYSwLxjzKqMmvT5cQndg087Igfr6XoLoaYDAts+Qc6YCCGEsgu9y 1s4imYD/vqFDGJQyDtyjqwCVgF6DON/CLmX9g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=eR2YJjVpMXYTBftYBbONnP+Fxk0n4FHpKXIP1PiMNBTHn+Q5ER5F7ckwa3dDOiChkz eeClxhmNQ17/GBHx6pslN/zQy/X8ewWmJkG2JFtMPMmcfVnmuC3I+Le6Z/5Ro80+Iq0p /cEl6FCvg6ILvLwVRR4hBHryzyppflNdfqQns= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.27.6 with SMTP id a6mr9192181yba.74.1261756961632; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 08:02:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <80706327FC9F4856B3D4088340FE0D71@ns94d01ae4d850> References: <80706327FC9F4856B3D4088340FE0D71@ns94d01ae4d850> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:02:41 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca70912250802t5dbc0fdeo83d1872f71d9155d@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 25-12.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404c4b34e2586395 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Henny, Thank you for the capture! XGJ still running reduced power (220 Watts). Zalig Kerstfeast ! -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2009/12/25 henny van elst : > Hi Warren,LF > Capture XGJ > Henny pa3cpm > best 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > XGJ 25-12.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen > het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. > Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe > bijlagen worden afgehandeld. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (rly-mf07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.177]) by air-mf10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF101-96b4b1b2f7e2bd; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 23:14:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF071-96b4b1b2f7e2bd; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 23:13:52 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NH8Tw-0000xg-Q1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 04:12:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NH8Tv-0000xX-NO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 04:12:23 +0000 Received: from 113-mo2-8.acn.waw.pl ([62.121.95.113] helo=paranoid.lipkowski.org) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NH8Tu-000756-Df for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 04:12:23 +0000 Received: from paranoid.lipkowski.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id nB64CtaZ022601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 05:12:55 +0100 Received: from localhost (sq5bpf@localhost) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.6/Submit) with ESMTP id nB64CsVx022598 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 05:12:55 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: paranoid.lipkowski.org: sq5bpf owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 05:12:54 +0100 (CET) From: Jacek Lipkowski To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score-sq5bpf: -2.601 () BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: W on 137.779kHz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Someone is sending W on 137.779 in QRSS120. Does anybody know who it is? vy 73 Jacek / SQ5BPF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf10.mx.aol.com (rly-mf10.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.180]) by air-mf07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF071-9884b257653b0; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:18:55 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF106-9884b257653b0; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:18:45 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJxgY-0002QQ-GT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:17:06 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJxgX-0002QH-VA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:17:06 +0000 Received: from mailout1.go2.pl ([193.17.41.11]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJxhI-00065j-D2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:17:54 +0000 Received: from mailout1.go2.pl (unknown [10.0.0.103]) by mailout1.go2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E485B5D518B for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:17:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from unknown (unknown [10.0.0.142]) by mailout1.go2.pl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:17:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from 58-178-124-188.rev.pro-internet.pl [188.124.178.58] by poczta.o2.pl with ESMTP id xWdYbn; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:17:51 +0100 Message-ID: <01ec01ca7c4a$7a174550$3ab27cbc@ap6fnsa53r3k6h> From: "Marcin" To: References: <000a01ca7c40$1ef0a900$6402a8c0@e7010> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:17:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-O2-Trust: 2, 69 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: DI2AG Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01E9_01CA7C52.DBBEFD90" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 ------=_NextPart_000_01E9_01CA7C52.DBBEFD90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Walter Capture in signal DI2AM. 73! Marcin SQ2BXI Dear MF, sorry but I have the suspicion that high power disrupts my telefone system (ISDN), while DSL works fine. 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Thread-Index: AcqIe6hKZehABzFJQgOFBncPPrpKqAAAbFWw Message-ID: <16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370CBCE834@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> References: <1BCA5076F8C144B0957BD8853BEA599A@LAPTOP> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB x-wiganss: 01000000010017exlnht01.eur.nsroot.net ID0044<16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370CBCE834@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 169.175.16.155 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: Stations on 505kHz last night. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370CBCE834exlnmb01eurns_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cb4b39ee5b383c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_000_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370CBCE834exlnmb01eurns_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Michael, Wolf, df2py is transmitting from time to time on 505.030KHz in CW. Beacon= call is DI2BJ. Maybe you can check with him if he was on air last night. vy73 Marco DD7PC ________________________________ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org] On Behalf Of Lubos OK2BVG Sent: 29 December 2009 12:35 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: Stations on 505kHz last night. Hello Michael, LF! OK, DI2AM is on 505.180kHz. I don=B4t know, who is on 505,030kHz, but my= beacon OK0EMW is on 505,060kHz. It transmit a text: "Beacon OK0EMW JN88KS" . These letters "KS" might be "XS", which you liste= ned. You can try to listen my beacon signal next night. 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS ________________________________ From: misan@xs4all.nl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 09:07:43 +0100 Subject: LF: Stations on 505kHz last night. To DI2AM and all LF Good morning all, also copied by ear two transmissions just above 505kHz= last night. 29-12-2009 00:50utc 505.20kHz DI2AM, QRSS3 and plain CW. 29-12-2009 01:00utc 505.03kHz QRSS3? and plan CW ...XS...? Please confirm DI2AM is ok and give a clue who could be the other station. Kind Regards, Michael (Mike) / PC4M ________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9= =ED informace. --_000_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370CBCE834exlnmb01eurns_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Michael,
Wolf, df2py is transmitting from time to time on= 505.030KHz in CW.=20 Beacon call is DI2BJ.
Maybe you can check with him if he was on air last= =20 night.
 
vy73
Marco
DD7PC

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Lubos=20 OK2BVG
Sent: 29 December 2009 12:35
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: RE: LF: Stations on 505kHz= last=20 night.

Hello Michael, LF!
OK, DI2AM is on 505.180kHz. I don=B4t kno= w, who=20 is on 505,030kHz, but my beacon OK0EMW is on 505,060kHz. It transmit a tex= t:=20
"Beacon OK0EMW JN88KS" . These letters "KS" might be "XS", which you= =20 listened.  You can try to listen my beacon signal next=20 night.
73!
Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

From: misan@xs4all.nl
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Tue, 29= Dec=20 2009 09:07:43 +0100
Subject: LF: Stations on 505kHz last night.

To DI2AM and all LF
 
Good morning all, also copied by ear two transmiss= ions=20 just above 505kHz last night.
 
29-12-2009 00:50utc 505.20kHz DI2AM, QRSS3 and pla= in=20 CW.
29-12-2009 01:00utc 505.03kHz QRSS3? and plan CW= =20 ...XS...?
 
Please confirm DI2AM is ok and give a cl= ue who=20 could be the other station.
 
Kind Regards,
 
Michael (Mike) / PC4M
 
 
 

Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace.= =20 --_000_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370CBCE834exlnmb01eurns_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da01.mx.aol.com (rly-da01.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.75]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA033-a4c4b23b3762c2; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:15:22 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA014-a4c4b23b3762c2; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:15:04 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJTfE-0000fX-7j for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:13:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJTfD-0000fO-TH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:13:43 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJTfD-0000id-FT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:13:45 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFF872AC6B6 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:13:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps01.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.136] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.58V) with ESMTP id XID278NLLPNI9356X01; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:13:34 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.136 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps01.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID278NLLPNI9356X01 Received: from [192.168.1.4] [151.47.220.86] by cmsapps01.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 836NLLPNG3072M36; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:13:32 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.220.86 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.4] Message-ID: <4B23B319.9080005@usa.net> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:13:29 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC1F@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC1F@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID836NLLPNG3072X36 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: LF: Japanese time&frequency station Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Is there anybody in Europe that was able to receive the Japanese time&frequency standard station at 40 kHz ? If yes, could you please give details about the equipments, especially the antenna, used ? I am trying since some time, night and day, but no luck so far.... 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (rly-dd02.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.149]) by air-dd06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD063-b604b2784d02cb; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:45:09 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD022-b604b2784d02cb; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:45:05 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKWjS-0003ay-ER for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:42:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKWjR-0003ap-U6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:42:25 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKWko-0005C1-4w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:43:52 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBFCi6uL032629 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:44:06 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:44:06 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:44:07 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC77@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <20091215112352.36901F3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: AW: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Thread-Index: Acp9ed5D9JibPk8wReuLxsv1FiqExQAB5zTg From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.625;15.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.15.123320 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA7D84.49B6933B" Subject: AW: AW: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7D84.49B6933B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mni tnx Rik for your answer! =20 No, you didn't spoil the fun at all ;-) =20 I have some remarks/ideas. The coil losses increase linear with the power but not more than linear.= So, 10x the power wouldn't decrease the antenna efficiency (if no arcing= occurs, of course). If we assume an antenna, e.g. in 8m height with many= toploads, then the efficiency will be poor but the capacitance will be hi= gh and thus the needed L will be small. Therefore we get a low voltage eve= n with very high power and due to the low efficiency we will keep the lega= l limit. So, if one has no possibility to increase the antenna height QRO= is one choice, especially when the operator is already in pension and can= not do a qso in qrss10000000000000000000000000 any more ;-)=20 =20 =20 =20 It should be possible to run a TX directly of the mains (giving about 330V= DC). But for 10kW the PSU current would be 33A, requiring something like= a 60000uF/450V elco, these large HV elco's cost a fortune (at QRL we rece= nty had to replace a 4700uF/450V capacitor, it costed over 200 Euro). And for a Class-D / Class-E amp running of 330V a 900V power FET might be= a bit on the edge for a foolprove TX (but since you are spending a fortun= e on elco's you can spend some more money on 1.5kV devices ;-) ). =20 Yes, you are right. But i mean i USA, where the voltage is 110V, you get= about 155V and thus the 900V FET would have 6 times more. For a class e= mode PA, 4x the voltage can be reached when SWR is correct(!) so there wo= uld be a goog savety factor. About the Capacitors: You could reduce the ne= eded C when using a 3 phase system (of the kitchen oven ;-) ). Then you wo= uld get about 268VDC and therefore a factor 3,35 to the 900V which will be= critical for the FETs when SWR is not absolutely constant 1:1, so better= using a IXFH24N100 ;-) =20 Really nice, that conversation! Tnx! =20 73, Stefan / DK7FC =20 =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7D84.49B6933B Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Mni tnx Rik= for your answer!

 =

No= , you didn’t spoil the fun at all ;-)

&n= bsp;

I have some= remarks/ideas.

Th= e coil losses increase linear with the power but not more than linear. So, 10x the power wouldn’t decrease the antenna efficiency (if no arcing occurs, of course). If we assume an antenna, e.g. in 8m height with many toploads, th= en the efficiency will be poor but the capacitance will be high and thus the needed L will be small. Therefore we get a low voltage even with very high power and due to the low efficiency we will keep the legal limit. So, if= one has no possibility to increase the antenna height QRO is one choice, espec= ially when the operator is already in pension and cannot do a qso in qrss10000000000000000000000000 any more ;-)

&n= bsp;

&n= bsp;

 

It should= be possible to run a TX directly of the mains (giving about 330V DC). = But for 10kW the PSU current would be 33A, requiring something like a 60000uF/450V elco, these large HV elco's cost a fortune (at QRL we recenty had to repla= ce a 4700uF/450V capacitor, it costed over 200 Euro).
And for a Class-D / Class-E amp running of 330V a 900V power FET might be= a bit on the edge for a foolprove TX (but since you are spending a fortune on el= co's you can spend some more money on 1.5kV devices ;-) ).

 <= /p>

Yes, you= are right. But i mean i USA, where the voltag= e is 110V, you get about 155V and thus the 900V FET would have 6 times more. For a class e mode PA, 4x= the voltage can be reached when SWR is correct(!) so there would be a goog sav= ety factor. About the Capacitors: You could reduce the needed C when using a= 3 phase system (of the kitchen oven ;-) ). Then you would get about 268VDC= and therefore a factor 3,35 to the 900V which will be critical for the FETs wh= en SWR is not absolutely constant 1:1, so better using a IXFH24N100 =A0;-)

 

Really= nice, that conversation! Tnx!

 

73, Stef= an / DK7FC

 

 

 

 

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Does anyone have spec for a BTY 96 UM=  or BTY=20 98. Looks like a Big Amp carrying device
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7CD5.F7510200-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me03.mx.aol.com (rly-me03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.36]) by air-me02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME022-9a64b27934be7; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:46:57 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME032-9a64b27934be7; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:46:53 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKXhG-0004Xc-JB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:44:14 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKXhG-0004XT-6l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:44:14 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.35]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKXiv-0003mQ-0M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:45:59 +0000 Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl (dovemail12.xs4all.nl [194.109.26.14]) by smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBFDjcmv067165 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:45:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Received: from 82.92.124.189 (SquirrelMail authenticated user pa0rdt) by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:45:51 +0100 Message-ID: <7d0f030f6b6dc3a9cbc3df0e004002df.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: References: <4B250D02.733.14E9A34@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC66@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:45:51 +0100 From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.18 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear Andy, Thank you very much for your educational piece on the signal to noise improvement possible for various modes. It might interest you that I have been testing the limits of aural CW copy using narrow analogue filters. It appears that after some exercise the human brain-ear system can adapt itself to a bandwidth of 5 Hz for slow speed morse code; e.g. the CW identifier of non directional beacons. This offers a 20 dB improvement compared to a standard 500 Hz CW bandwidth and seems to be as good as it gets. The irony is that these tests were triggered by the appearence of narrow DSP filters. Had I known this 40 year ago, it should have been an excellent opportunity to show the possibilities of very low power transmissions at HF! Best regards, Roelof bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (rly-mf04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.174]) by air-mf01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF012-9594b367b99219; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 16:09:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF047-9594b367b99219; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 16:09:47 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOdsZ-0007KW-MA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 21:08:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOdsZ-0007KN-7S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 21:08:51 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s37.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.48]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOdsY-0008PO-0z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 21:08:51 +0000 Received: from BLU146-W16 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s37.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:08:42 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.137.224.182] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 12:08:42 -0900 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20091226183415.2n58wvwb40w80440@webmail6.kuleuven.be> References: <6EFC885C8DAB4DC3A8454505BAF5D3A7@ns94d01ae4d850>,<1261823989.6451.9.camel@vaio3rd> <1EE1D37E49A445A0A1CE9703C17EECCF@AGB>,<20091226183415.2n58wvwb40w80440@webmail6.kuleuven.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Dec 2009 21:08:42.0889 (UTC) FILETIME=[9ABA8F90:01CA866F] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_d27a359f-aa31-40ab-99c3-a2df165e3734_" Subject: LF: "WA" beacon received at 503kHz. X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_d27a359f-aa31-40ab-99c3-a2df165e3734_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick - there are a number of NDB's on 505/507 which on the their DSB/LSB= tone freq into the freqs of interest - Ill have a look at my Chinese NDB= log but I cant recall WA from memory, but there again I think Korea might= have had one. Cheers =20 Laurence (and seasons greetings to all from Alaska) =20 KL 1 X WE2XPQ =20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=92s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/=3D --_d27a359f-aa31-40ab-99c3-a2df165e3734_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 Rick - there are a number of NDB's on 505/507 which on the their= DSB/LSB tone freq into the freqs of interest - Ill have a look at my Chin= ese NDB log but I cant recall WA from memory, but there again I think Kore= a might have had one.
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= Dr LF Group,

 <= /p>

Will the= re be any activity this evening? I want to try my RX-Antenna and need some signals,= if possible in QRSS3/DFCW3. If it will, I would drive to “my” hil= l and do some tests. It would be at around 19 utc.

 

73, Stef= an/DK7FC

------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7292.928F9096-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (rly-dc07.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.36]) by air-dc05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC051-b324b34c85c258; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:12:57 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC076-b324b34c85c258; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:12:45 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOAtJ-0002c7-N0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:11:41 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOAtJ-0002by-3J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:11:41 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.128]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOAtG-0007jx-QV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:11:41 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3411.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1F9531C00091 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:11:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3411.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0F7021C00092 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:11:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.36.29]) by mwinf3411.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 7F8D51C00091 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:11:28 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20091225141128522.7F8D51C00091@mwinf3411.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <81E83EBACD144075A24B4F6FBF638984@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <6949F910A2A945058B164FC3443B420B@JimPC> <539203.98380.qm@web28101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <9afca2640912250525l14e4aaf7y6006a537a8ad102@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9afca2640912250525l14e4aaf7y6006a537a8ad102@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:11:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: Tnx fer Xmas day QSO G3KEV es XIZ; HNY to all. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01CA856C.1D59B160" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01CA856C.1D59B160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I hope Father Christmas brought you lots of nice ham gear/books .....= .. Couple more Amps would be nice ! All the best Roger=20 G ..=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 1:25 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Tnx fer Xmas day QSO G3KEV es XIZ; HNY to all. A very happy Christmas to everyone here.=20 Thank you all for your encouragement and help on 500kHz these last few= months. I hope Father Christmas brought you lots of nice ham gear/boo= ks and the New Year brings you lots of good DX and much happiness. No 500kHz activity at the moment as I'm with my son and his family in= Kent. Back on tomorrow. 73s Roger G3XBM Unable to be on the air at the moment as we are in Canterbury with our= son's family. 2009/12/25 M0FMT Hi Mal es Chris tnx fer nice Xmas morning QSOs.=20 Raising a pint of Fullers right now to u both .....cheers! 73 es GL petefmt =20 --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01CA856C.1D59B160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 I hope Father Christmas brought you lots of nice ham gear/b= ooks=20 .......  Couple  more  Amps  would be nice !
 
All the  best  Roger
 
G ..
 
 

Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Tnx fer Xmas day QSO G3KEV es XIZ; HNY to= =20 all.

A very happy Christmas to everyone here.

Thank= you all=20 for your encouragement and help on 500kHz these last few months. I hop= e Father=20 Christmas brought you lots of nice ham gear/books and the New Year bri= ngs you=20 lots of good DX and much happiness.

No 500kHz activity at the= moment as=20 I'm with my son and his family in Kent. Back on tomorrow.

73sRoger=20 G3XBM


Unable to be on the air at the moment as we are in Ca= nterbury=20 with our son's family.

2009/12/25 M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
 
Hi Mal es Chris tnx fer nice Xmas morning QSOs.
 
Raising a pint of Fullers right now to u both=20 .....cheers!

73 es GL petefmt

 

=



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G3XBM  =20  GQRP 1678      ISWL G11088


------=_NextPart_000_002C_01CA856C.1D59B160-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me09.mx.aol.com (rly-me09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.43]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME061-9d84b31d6ed1f1; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 03:38:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME094-9d84b31d6ed1f1; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 03:38:06 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNMi3-0002vV-07 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 08:36:43 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNMi2-0002vM-Ed for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 08:36:42 +0000 Received: from mbox2.netikka.net ([213.250.81.203]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNMi1-0000r6-PM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 08:36:42 +0000 Received: from hupu.netikka.net (hupu [172.16.83.91]) by mbox2-feedback.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B646408141 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:36:36 +0200 (EET) Received: from imp1.netikka.net (imp1.netikka.net [213.250.85.154]) by hupu.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC6354B0045 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:36:36 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imp1.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04B63495B93 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:36:36 +0200 (EET) Received: from proxy.wartsila.com (proxy.wartsila.com [194.251.142.28]) by imp.netikka.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:36:35 +0200 Message-ID: <1261557395.4b31d69400a8f@imp.netikka.net> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:36:36 +0200 From: Paul-Henrik To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8bf118410912220547m5e4d0e60o527fcb87c62010d9@mail.gmail.com> <001a01ca8397$56623ee0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> In-Reply-To: <001a01ca8397$56623ee0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 194.251.142.28 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR:Good TA conds on MF last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hallo Clemens, LF +1 for good T/A MF condx. Received WE2XGR/6 loud and clear in normal CW on 507.2kHz around 0430UTC. 73 and a Merry Christmas to all! Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ Vaasa / KP03SD Quoting Clemens Paul : > LF, > > I had several WSPR loggings like these last night. > 6251km is my personal record. > > 2009-12-23 00:20 WD2XSH/17 0.503890 +5 0 FN42pb 10 > DL4RAJ JN68kj 6251 > 53 > 2009-12-23 00:16 WD2XSH/17 0.503890 +4 0 FN42pb 10 > DL4RAJ JN68kj 6251 > 53 > > > Best Christmas wishes to all. > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df11.mx.aol.com (rly-df11.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.24]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF014-5894b16b94f292; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:00:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df11.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF112-5894b16b94f292; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:00:33 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFuQK-0006qF-JR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:59:36 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFuQK-0006q6-4j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:59:36 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFuQI-0007WH-Dy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:59:36 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEAJNHFktOlANV/2dsb2JhbACEScJTkHqBL4IvUwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,329,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="273842287" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.148.3.85]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 02 Dec 2009 18:59:28 +0000 Message-ID: <002701ca7381$9212ee10$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B16987B.9000002@usa.net> <000d01ca7373$e4baa170$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <38F4A9873A5B474DB6FB337B1B69ABA11CED86C60D@HERMES8.ds.leeds.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:59:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Chris The Decca RX system had a cylinder probe similar to the beer keg., Reduce the C by raising it a few metres higher from deck. C is then measured in half Jars mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Trayner" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 5:27 PM Subject: RE: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna > Hi Mal, > > > Use an aluminium beer keg as the probe mounted a few metres above ground. > g3kev > > With the capacitance to earth measured in Jars. > > 73, > Chris G4OKW > > ----------------------- > Dr Chris Trayner > School of Electronic & Electrical Engineering, > The University of Leeds, > Leeds LS2 9JT, United Kingdom > Tel: +44 113 34 32053 > Fax: +44 113 34 32032 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df12.mx.aol.com (rly-df12.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.25]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF072-5964b1d2d3b286; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:29:02 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF125-5964b1d2d3b286; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:28:46 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHgR3-0002TH-LL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:27:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHgR3-0002T8-8B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:27:41 +0000 Received: from smtp823.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.233]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHgR2-0005ks-6H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:27:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 37823 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2009 16:27:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=e+JnkuCX8zQWl7oHdRd0w/rcb2KFI9KzrprTPjM4GnY5UBV7xwj/xiTpGvY/iR8OkeBEaP3gSzzoPCzQxmMhkaeVhzxfdEQEXOzWiSWWzYioijGSuEXILFllVEWRPWpeHDcY8P1zsexUkV0qmhegNsGePsHsQ3VYC45IHtP6fYQ= ; Received: from unknown (HELO IBM7FFA209F07C) (c.ashby435@81.135.139.105 with login) by smtp823.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 16:27:34 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9STUSnaswBBSd6nO_2gAC20jmYlWRjmg8d5iYd8s.rl181aR6Sw- X-YMail-OSG: FLtnUMkVM1mx55sMnVZjid4fzVIFFRokxKmELPtr9FW.QfdJXT_TmuCK7EEgqoQ.AnyjYWoN7l2vyW_ujBwoXvmDYlwCn9G33_0a0EbuXbt2fbgWtJI0dC6qFkL_c7YofF56eA3yRasFFu6hD4t6EmN60l.4b2uRQ6mDhvDwpGxh8HKTJQTjeJAATRA9KtBgCRDhelfskPL5doc.Akgho97qp6xdD9UXDfIIHQtFfpHZsLb8pRYKbyOATe31huXkU5eKq.QcI1U_lag- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <53BEC9770DD94FBEB98B5E11592D62DE@IBM7FFA209F07C> From: "Chris" To: References: <1523739247@web.de> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:27:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: Re: LF: Correct test time Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Thanks Horst and Andy. Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" To: Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 3:59 PM Subject: Re: LF: Correct test time Clear enough..... 2009/12/09 2300z through to 2009/12/10 0100z . Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police 2009/12/7 Horst Stcker : > As I wrote before: The flyer says from 9.12. 23 UTC to 10.12. 1 UTC. > Horst > >> -----Ursprngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: "Chris" >> Gesendet: 07.12.09 14:28:16 >> An: "RSGB LF Group" >> Betreff: LF: Correct test time > > Hi All, >> Re: Test DDH47 147.3 QRSS3. >> This has now got VERY confusing. Is the transmission one hour UTC >> either side of midnight 9th into 10th, or one hour UTC either side of >> midnight 10th into 11th December? >> Incidentally, my first message along these lines got a failure notice, >> it said "This message scored 4.5 spam points - rejected". No comment >> necessary! >> >> Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent. > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate fr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! > http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (rly-dc01.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.30]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC042-b024b1cc76569; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 04:14:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC016-b024b1cc76569; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 04:14:14 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHZeE-0000SF-W1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:12:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHZeE-0000S6-Gd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:12:50 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHZeD-0002vR-OP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:12:50 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nB79CkhD015990 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 10:12:47 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 10:12:47 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 10:12:49 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB56@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <1260128134.2455.23.camel@gerhard-desktop> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Question to Antenna Experts Thread-Index: Acp2rAuoamzvRayKSrSal3Ap/cD0MwAcBI2g From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.609;06.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.7.90319 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: LF: AW: Question to Antenna Experts X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hallo Gerhard,=20 Gratuliere zu dem Wandler! Das ging ja schnell :-) Wegen der Anzeige: Welches Ger=E4t verwendest du denn? Ein analoges Drehei= senmessger=E4t ist beispielsweise unempfindlicher gegen HF-Einkopplung als= ein 100=B5A Drehspulinstrument. Mit den Dioden hat Rik recht, das k=F6nnte ein Grund sein!=20 Dann noch: Du hast wahrscheinlich nach dem Stromwandler einen Gleichrichte= r und dann ein Poti zum justieren bzw. kalibrieren. Hast du das Poti in Re= ihe zum Messger=E4t oder parallel? Ich w=FCrde es parallel zum Messger=E4t= schalten, da es ja ein Stromwandler ist. Die Quelle ist also auch als Str= omquelle zu belasten. Nur so wirkt der Kern auch nicht als zus=E4tzliches= L im Kreis. Vielleicht hat auch der Kern noch einen Einfluss. Ein Eisenpulverkern =FCb= ertr=E4gt sicher auch einiges aber geeigneter erscheint mir ein Kern mit= hohem =B5r, also ein Ferritkern bzw. Ferroxube. Habe am Samstag dein CQ Ruf gesehen. War gut zu lesen! Hast du meine Antwo= rt nicht gesehen? Gru=DF,=20 Stefan / DK7FC -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von Gerhard Hickl Gesendet: Sonntag, 6. Dezember 2009 20:36 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: Question to Antenna Experts Hello folks! As some of you may have noticed, I became active on LF. My TX makes about 50W at 13,8V and the Antenna is a Marconi with multiple topload wires. Basically it consists of two 12m Fiber poles in a distance of abt. 50m (North to South). After about 20m from the feeding point, a 20m wire is connected in a nearly right angle. The end of this wire is in about 10m height to a tree. From the 2nd pole, a wire of 25m leads back to the roof of the house in an acute angle. End is also abt. 10m above ground. The end of both wires are at least 10m away from the tree and the roof to avoid losses due high voltage. The wire diameter is 3mm in the vertical section (11m) and 0,8mm for the first 20m, where the right angled wire diverges. From there all other wires are 0,6mm. The cable to the shack is RG58 abt. 25m long. The feeding point is behind the house and the loading coil is about 2,2mH made with insulated 3mm copper-wire wound on a plastic flower-pot of abt. 45cm diameter. It is placed on the roof of the a little shed. I use "Mini-VNA" to measure this antenna and I added a picture of todays measurement. As you can see, the SWR is abt. 1,8 at best because Z=3D abt. 30. I built a current transformer to measure the antenna current and calibrated it with the dummy. I have 140V p-p on the 50R and this is should produce a current of 1A. I used a Iron-Powder core, primary one turn, secondary is 14 turns and it shows a voltage of 1V after rectifying. Now, that I have it outside on the feeding point, it shows 2V which would means 2A....Thant seems a little bit high to me. Where does this error come from? I want to optimize the antenna regarding Impedance because it's only abt. 30R instead of 50R. Where should I start? More wires in the ground? Does this reduce Impedance or not? More topload? Thicker wires?=20 You see, a lot of questions from somebody who is new to LF. Thank everybody who will take the time an read this long mail in advance. Best regards es 73 OE3GHB Gerhard From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da05.mx.aol.com (rly-da05.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.79]) by air-da09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA092-a6d4b2966f345; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:02:22 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA055-a6d4b2966f345; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:02:13 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NL2p8-0002pN-Rk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:58:26 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NL2p8-0002pE-CW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:58:26 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NL2rZ-0007Mh-Pe for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:01:00 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84DC4C80C2 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:00:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC4B4C80B1 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:00:51 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B2966A3.80402@online.fr> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:00:51 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <88EEC52E6C874CCEB966804D073A3376@White> <57a24ca70912110724l43b18b68t5d2f18849fb14147@mail.gmail.com> <4B22CC94.8020404@online.fr> In-Reply-To: <4B22CC94.8020404@online.fr> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: T/A [137kHz] XGJ verry strong now ! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Warren , LF , Vy good signal of WD2XGJ for the moment ! 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.144]) by air-da06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA062-86164b35e30f232; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 05:18:55 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 63F04380000A2; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 05:18:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOTiA-0004ff-1s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:17:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOTi9-0004fW-MU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:17:25 +0000 Received: from psmtp12.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.24]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOTi6-0005ta-Pv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:17:25 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp12.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KV9001FA8KSFD@psmtp12.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:17:17 +0100 (MET) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:17:19 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <6EFC885C8DAB4DC3A8454505BAF5D3A7@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: XGJ 26-12.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ynReMrGBYF1HTb80n0i3+Q)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/59368 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40904b35e30e4a4e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --Boundary_(ID_ynReMrGBYF1HTb80n0i3+Q) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_0S1O1ok0eURiEpIkBgcasA)" --Boundary_(ID_0S1O1ok0eURiEpIkBgcasA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello Warren,LF Capture XGJ 22:45 - 08:45 loc.time Henny cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: XGJ 26-12.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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Hello Warren,LF
Capture XGJ   22:45 - 08:45 loc.time
Henny cpm
best 73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
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post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHZje-0000Vn-3u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:18:26 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate05.web.de ([217.72.192.243]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHZjb-0005CE-Ul for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:18:26 +0000 Received: from web.de by fmmailgate05.web.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 3AA5E5CE11A9 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 10:18:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from [84.63.121.134] by freemailng2505.web.de with HTTP; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 10:18:16 +0100 Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 10:18:16 +0100 Message-Id: <1523192292@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?iso-8859-15?Q?Horst_St=F6cker?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-Provags-Id: V01U2FsdGVkX1+g3TH8tRvLUVQI01/hKkHQySiMR2eYdMlkW2kEHomUUADEm 21/qoScXE/At4Z9bHokxffZZSfsQsTM9Ky+xbH+yX4ywhHMIEaoHoXDBZ6Pc Q== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 in QRSS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello, I just quoted the first message that was published somewhere I do not reme= mber at all. Great that you remarked the mistake. The date 9-11 December should be right. I is also published in the "official" flyer 1.0 nobeld.pdf 73 HORST > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: "Roman RW3ADB" > Gesendet: 07.12.09 02:49:11 > An: > Betreff: Re: LF: DDH47 in QRSS > Hello Horst, LF! > Remember about your info and look=20 > http://www.doese-apprt.de/pfbday/nobel.html today again. > I can see that info: > >>From 9th December 2009 23:00 until 10th December 2009 01:00 UTC the=20 > transmitter is available for 2 hours in telegraphy. >=20 > It will be possible more exact about that? >=20 > It will be from 9 to 10 or from 10 to 11? What is true? >=20 > * Horst St=F6cker [Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:52:11=20 > +0100]: > > Hello, > > > > despite some of you might have heard about the following news, I was > > very surprised and I am looking forward to this event: > > > > DDH47 147.3 khz in QRSS 3 > > > > In Honor of Nobelprize Winner Marconi and Prof. Ferdinand Braun a > > special transmission will be Date: > > > > 10. Dec 2009 Time: Start 2300 UTC > > > > Frequ. 147,3 kc Mode: > > > > QRSS 3 > > > > PWR: 20 kW > > > > The weather forcast transmitter Pinneberg DDH47 will stop RTTY ( 50=20 > Bd) > > transmission in between 10. Dec 2300h UTC and 11. Dec 001 UTC In this > > timegap, the TX will be used for a special event transmission. Short > > words in QRRS 3 will be transmitted. After the transmission You may > > confirm the receiving at a shortwave frequency or via Internet ( QRG= =20 > and > > adress will be given later) You may check propagation every day /=20 > night > > at 147,3 Kc DDH47, because the TX is working 24 Hours > > > > vy73 Horst DO1KHS > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > Neu: WEB.DE DSL bis 50.000 kBit/s und 200,- Euro Startguthaben! > > http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > Roman RW3ADB. >=20 >=20 ______________________________________________________ GRATIS f=FCr alle WEB.DE-Nutzer: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://movieflat.web.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb11.mx.aol.com (rly-mb11.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.169]) by air-mb02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB021-d3b4b2a1067118; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 06:05:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb11.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB117-d3b4b2a1067118; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 06:05:13 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLE6m-0002ha-H5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:01:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLE6m-0002hR-3x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:01:24 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLE91-0003Se-Uh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:03:46 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8722D7B805B for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:03:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6828A31E702 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:03:55 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:03:55 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <103549.64186.qm@web63605.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <103549.64186.qm@web63605.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20091217110355.6828A31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Fw: DE KU4XR - [NZ4O Spaceweather] Some Solar Cycle 24 Firsts Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Can someone please stop this ;-) It will spoil propagation on LF/MF 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 15:53 16/12/2009, you wrote: >Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. >LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29866 KHz ( QRSS-60 ) >Coordinates: N: 35* 43' 54" - W: 84* 3' 16" >http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr >http://webpages.charter.net/ku4xr/ > > >--- On Wed, 12/16/09, Thomas F. Giella NZ4O wrote: > > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o4.htm > > > > Sunspot group #11035 near N30W13 has grown into the largest > > (seven times larger than the Earth) and most magnetically complex > > (beta-gamma) sunspot group of solar cycle 24. At 0102 UTC the sunspot > > group released a small C5.3 solar flare, the largest solar flare of > > Solar cycle 24. More small C class solar flares are possible, with a > > chance for an isolated medium size M class solar flare. > > > > #11035 also produced the first partially geoeffective (Earth facing) > > coronal mass ejection (CME) of solar cycle 24. The CME will arrive > > at Earth in a approximately two days and could spark a geomagnetic > > storm and visible aurora. Another geoeffective CME is possible, with an > > associated sudden ionosphere disturbance (SID) and shortwave fadeout > > > > The sunspot count is 38 which is the highest of solar cycle 24. The > > solar flux index is 82 which is tied for the highest SFI of solar > > Cycle 24. With the increased sunspot count we should see improved > > propagation conditions on 15 and 12 meters. > > > > 73, GUD DX, Merry X-mas & Happy New Year, > > Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O > > Lakeland, FL, USA > > nz4o@arrl.net > > eList Owner/Moderator > > John 3:16 <>< > > > > COL LF/MF/HF/VHF/UHF Frequency Radiowave Propagation Email > > Reflector: > > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/spaceweather > > NZ4O Daily Solar Space Weather & Geomagnetic Data > > Archive: > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o1.htm > > NZ4O Solar Space Weather & Geomagnetic Data In Graphic > > & Image Format: > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o2.htm > > NZ4O Daily LF/MF/HF/6M Frequency Radiowave Propagation > > Forecast & Archive: > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o3.htm > > NZ4O Solar Cycle 24 Forecast Discussion & Archive: > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o4.htm > > NZ4O 160 Meter Radio Propagation Theory Notes: > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o5.htm > > NZ4O Solar Space Weather & Geomagnetic Raw Forecast > > Data Links: > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o6.htm > > Harmful Man Induced Climate Change (Global Warming) > > Refuted: > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/globalwarminglie.htm > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Spaceweather mailing list > > Spaceweather@contesting.com > > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/spaceweather > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.77]) by air-ma10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA104-b5474b377acef2; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:18:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7E76838000072; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:18:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOus6-0002qN-KE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:17:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOus6-0002qE-6D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:17:30 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOus4-00011Q-G8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:17:30 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqYEAMIIN0tZ8IVt/2dsb2JhbACNWwbDWYQzBIFl X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,459,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="238730856" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.240.133.109]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2009 15:17:22 +0000 Message-ID: <001801ca8707$acf8d570$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:17:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: mf/lf Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01CA8707.ACBF9D00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604d4b377acd4abf X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01CA8707.ACBF9D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now CQ 502.6 Kcs and looking 137.7 Kcs for cw/qrs3 qso. Separate syste= ms for each band, can work both at same time. de g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01CA8707.ACBF9D00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Now CQ 502.6 Kcs and looking 137.7 Kc= s for cw/qrs3=20 qso. Separate systems for each band, can work both at same time.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0015_01CA8707.ACBF9D00-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md01.mx.aol.com (rly-md01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.139]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD053-8e54b22f05834; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:22:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD015-8e54b22f05834; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:22:34 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJGfw-0004b9-I9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:21:36 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJGfw-0004b0-4q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:21:36 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s22.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.33]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJGft-0004WV-Tb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:21:35 +0000 Received: from BLU146-DS2 ([65.55.116.8]) by blu0-omc1-s22.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:21:26 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [117.12.236.134] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: To: References: <4B22ED90.2000505@telus.net> In-Reply-To: <4B22ED90.2000505@telus.net> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:21:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2009 01:21:26.0971 (UTC) FILETIME=[6D0798B0:01CA7AC9] X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: DCF39 very strong ! Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Thanks Scott - Ill move the AK system back to 137 - its been on wspr on 80m and signals from Europe been received all day, such as there is up there. Laurence -------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott Tilley" Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:10 AM To: Subject: LF: DCF39 very strong ! > Prop over the pole is very good right now on 2200m. Never heard DCF39 > audible at sunset before and she's 20-25db over the noise. DCF39 has been > visible on the plot all day (daylight) and has shot up in signal level to > a point not seen before... > > I hope someone out there can fire up and make a try for the grabbers here. > > 73 Scott > VE7TIL CN89dk > http://www3.telus.net/sthed/argo/ > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de08.mx.aol.com (rly-de08.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.144]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE033-4f24b2fd90617a; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:22:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE081-4f24b2fd90617a; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:22:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMof0-0003OQ-3W for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:15:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMoez-0003OH-NP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:15:17 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMojI-00088x-HL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:19:47 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApAFAAJnL0tOlqc1/2dsb2JhbACIXs1ugiWCCQQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,432,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="224127258" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.150.167.53]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2009 20:20:17 +0000 Message-ID: <002301ca827b$0283c9a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <001401ca8222$5ce76d10$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g><9afca2640912210535v7922b3d4ned743d26dfd2a412@mail.gmail.com><001701ca824a$904740e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <20091221165732.37blf9vaoosgkw0k@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:20:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF ACTY Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 You are correct expertise and skill is required by the RX operator and NIL by the qrp TX operator g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 3:57 PM Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF ACTY There is little challenge in copying the mentioned QRO stations, copying QRP stations is the real challenge. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting mal hamilton : > Turn the wick up and someone might hear u. The DL, SM, LA and EIOCF > are booming in here day and nite. > g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roger Lapthorn > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 1:35 PM > Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF ACTY > > Mal, > > I called CQ on 12wpm CW a few times just now on 500kHz, but no takers. > > There is always activity on 500kHz WSPR. Reports of my 1mW ERP > signal received from 4 different stations (so far) in the last hour > or so out to 237kms. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > 2009/12/21 mal hamilton > > I have never heard LF/MF so quiet over the years since it all > started. In the past most of the DX that I have worked was around > XMAS time. The wx at present in Scarborough is minus 2 C and covered > in 6 inches of snow but it is not effecting my antennas so far even > although there is some ice on the wires. > Now calling CQ on 502.6 kcs and looking for acty also on 137 kcs CW > De mal/g3kev > > > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (rly-dg01.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.85]) by air-dg04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG044-59c4b23e2b9249; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:36:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG011-59c4b23e2b9249; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:36:42 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJWoX-0002H2-6i for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:35:33 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJWoW-0002Gt-Ot for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:35:32 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJWob-00010j-A1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:35:38 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.3]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091212183029.RHJC17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:30:29 +0000 Received: from [82.26.120.108] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJWjd-0002wv-Ff for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:30:29 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:30:28 -0000 Message-ID: <01b701ca7b59$2df22470$0417aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: Acp7WS2jqPw/w98JQVa768CIfMqDLQ== X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=uPOaWjZli5BITTFbvBUA:9 a=vcPP0RXY9cZGEqfvr9fsKll_4esA:4 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=aafFIWq9DpmcAosANqIA:9 a=0JSvi2SyjNwN4zSCW0sA:7 a=SGpWqK_5f-fphnv4xIxSp1jMdJwA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: G3KEV loud and clear at G7NKS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01B8_01CA7B59.2DF22470" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_01B8_01CA7B59.2DF22470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Mal Can hear you clear again this evening OM. CQ QSK CQ QSK. I did return the call. Nice signal from Scarboro With best regards Jim G7NKS ------=_NextPart_000_01B8_01CA7B59.2DF22470 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_01B8_01CA7B59.2DF22470-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (rly-dd05.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.152]) by air-dd04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD044-b7d4b2d060733b; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 11:57:55 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD057-b7d4b2d060733b; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 11:57:44 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NM2XP-0002EQ-2R for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:52:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NM2XO-0002EH-Jw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:52:14 +0000 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NM2ah-00038D-Tm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:55:42 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: As4FAG+ULEtOlrSE/2dsb2JhbACIXspGhC4E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,424,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="363643695" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([78.150.180.132]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2009 16:56:16 +0000 Message-ID: <002501ca80cc$2df97f90$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <346854e9698cbf94f4483c66682bb63b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <001e01ca80b0$392cb0b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:56:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I said recently that the wire connecting these type of mini antennas is in fact the antenna. It was the same with the Partridge Joy stick of yesteryears, the long connecting wire to the small loading coil was doing most of the work. There is no substitute for a real resonant antenna at the working frequency. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 1:36 PM Subject: LF: Re: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals > >I think the role of the ground with active whips is often neglected - the output of the whip preamp > >is the voltage differential between the whip element and the circuit ground, so the ground > >connection is just as much part of the antenna as the whip element itself is. > > That's an important point that is often overlooked or ignored. A mini whip mounted up at 5 meters is > a 5 meter antenna. You can easily prove this by mounting it at ground zero on top of a ground > screen. Been there, done that. > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me08.mx.aol.com (rly-me08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.42]) by air-me09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME093-9d14b2d449a12f; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:24:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME085-9d14b2d449a12f; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:24:44 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NM6hc-0003Oi-3i for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:19:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NM6hb-0003OZ-LC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:19:03 +0000 Received: from mail-yw0-f176.google.com ([209.85.211.176]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NM6l0-0004WP-6Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:22:36 +0000 Received: by ywh6 with SMTP id 6so4342155ywh.4 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:23:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=yPsXq0YMWHZobYoG8S0x0qm/y0OKaoxVS+6WgRHFW2Q=; b=GSrS1Vy513zWzGfFc28buajEmxBZ2J1UNuztU2SmunIbDo735PlIU2GRvUielb8h4g cIHEU549KqMViohtgupyTqwsVBtpswSZBYLuIaw2sLNOgXNzFlzmZJlqVuf8TSKWu6kV NW2a8RTW7kTOuZaC/Ha8/lzKqYm2xAwyCQv3M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=eLl+Y91NVWC8MYKGIBoRGYGIGUzOEkd6Bi/gTTIOupry3nnuKDYeSWRlodKFxw4teu WS5yLg7Vm3H70I1qpJ2bMJ5dvj7WKO6HYFBEFft3yzWjW+naMQwfoet6qkCWLLn6Obq8 q3K6UPE9cf3LiUiOcF6zIKQQGBZX7/XMhmDHE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.105.3 with SMTP id d3mr8538731ybc.293.1261257790405; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:23:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <002801ca80dc$639db200$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <002801ca80dc$639db200$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:23:10 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca70912191323q42dc08acr75fcd0cef89cea5@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: Re: LF: HOT 500 RX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d279.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Mal, Isn't that RX really an Eddystone 958 with a Hagenuk label ? --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 1:52 PM, mal hamilton wrot= e: > =A0=A0Using a marine RX Haghenuk EE 430 at present 10 kcs - 30 mcs. Hot= RX on > 500 kcs > de G3KEV > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma10.mx.aol.com (rly-ma10.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.54]) by air-ma10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA102-8d24b250fe036c; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:01:44 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA104-8d24b250fe036c; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:01:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJqre-00054m-8y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:00:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJqrd-00054d-Ra for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:00:05 +0000 Received: from mail-ew0-f223.google.com ([209.85.219.223]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJqs7-0004hY-8p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:00:37 +0000 Received: by ewy23 with SMTP id 23so968605ewy.4 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 08:00:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=86J7uUJVTQE1RvCxZH9EaXx2pmX3K1l/VQlrzWVuzB8=; b=lUtGm2DZGKCPGUeN+Jd9j/GpqZGmK3VPG8BWKyn6HkU8GL+b6SjfUeKu2ztug7xsNn iFJfUNQ1zDokxDJhkcPSQgsQUu0KGCLGAS6uxjXLTR6Q16mO8ypBSytrXvWBXF8pooiz BTseEEaEQXdd2feitn/GzNrIMFloRtDLLAeqg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=hd8JxFsSoLObdxDUAuRJ+gyDPHhUFVPbsBsG34Ff4Kie8B35MFGxoPZ5qYkxa+Lpqy aoqfakNG4zgTnYfRMZqhEdC129gGz7Rv2WTgV6LlrmxDS92VH5rdarCkms3c5X8GQaR+ z2inTKijms3hjjVKurv9r1AoS09aaZs6l4NOE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.109.201 with SMTP id k9mr2215380ebp.87.1260720034497; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 08:00:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B250D02.733.14E9A34@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> References: <1260444821.6353.65.camel@vaio3rd> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC12@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B250D02.733.14E9A34@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:00:34 +0100 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anton_B=E4rtschi?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0ce0d848d144a9047a9e4174 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d278.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0ce0d848d144a9047a9e4174 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello Mike Is there a special procedure to shorten QSO's in QRSS10 or are there short signs? Couldn't we use letters in stead of numbers in our calls? Or just a 3 for 73 to give an example? 3 HBNASB 2009/12/13 Mike Dennison > See my web page: > > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mike.dennison/index/lf/gallery/dl3zid.htm > > for an illustration of the difference between QRSS3 and QRSS10 on a > marginal signal. > > Mike, G3XDV > ========== > > > Does anybody know about the "gain" between QRSS3 and QRSS10 or QRSS30? > > I mean, if the noise in both cases is equal, how much can I reduce my > > tx pwr when switching from qrss3 to qrss10? Or isn't it possible to > > give such a relation? And: Was there ever a TA QSO in QRSS3? I am new > > on the reflector, sri ;-) > > > > Stefan / DK7FC > > > > > > > > --000e0ce0d848d144a9047a9e4174 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Mike
Is there a special procedure to shorten QSO's in QRSS10= or are there short signs?
Couldn't we use letters in stead of num= bers in our calls?
Or just a 3 for 73 to give an example?
3 HBNASB=

2009/12/13 Mike Dennison = <mike.dennison@ntlworld.c= om>
See my web page:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mike.dennison/inde= x/lf/gallery/dl3zid.htm

for an illustration of the difference between QRSS3 and QRSS10 on a
marginal signal.

Mike, G3XDV
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

> Does anybody know about the "gain" between QRSS3 and QRSS10= or QRSS30?
> I mean, if the noise in both cases is equal, how much can I reduce my=
> tx pwr when switching from qrss3 to qrss10? Or isn't it possible= to
> give such a relation? And: Was there ever a TA QSO in QRSS3? I am new=
> on the reflector, sri ;-)
>
> Stefan / DK7FC
>
>




--000e0ce0d848d144a9047a9e4174-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df12.mx.aol.com (rly-df12.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.25]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF081-5994b1d02601d8; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 08:26:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF128-5994b1d02601d8; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 08:25:54 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHdZS-0001Pl-Hl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:24:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHdZS-0001Pc-2j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:24:10 +0000 Received: from smtp825.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.235]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHdZR-0004cb-Dk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:24:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 21229 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2009 13:24:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=tUzof3KojnJdHWtaBks713No8p2OV3lf+SMm3dSjg02PPxexYKQSNTbHEfORxg2B+qtGS96D8gB2/38BcP4x83T2xG1f83G6Lvg/4UI0JiqOVJadAjhxLLInQQvHrDPAmoWhpQdHZaXb7mQbpJEjxwLmgPbfLLMLA7TdkrTL/4Q= ; Received: from unknown (HELO IBM7FFA209F07C) (c.ashby435@81.135.139.105 with login) by smtp825.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 13:24:02 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9STUSnaswBBSd6nO_2gAC20jmYlWRjmg8d5iYd8s.rl181aR6Sw- X-YMail-OSG: lRPnTCgVM1mfFFpFGzc09h8objb42rlGW0jnm2jMIYJS_qHPgPwXgpDPMgeqPcv.r3DQTn5gIhC0SHLAq083j6yK04sTW1Iqv.KlyOJvvaP5CzgTaui.CtDokWxd6E0iGeUS2F2jmp42dQbFjsVBYtCvz35vh.ymednqDJlXhvmBSrqObmpdPYCP8_dE83V7uJrmdswYA9tBx_5qhjUPNk3gTUIO7kYeb8dpFxRMf7ynTw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <58BC8F2CDF3C4B2EBB8CD12811A173C8@IBM7FFA209F07C> From: "Chris" To: "RSGB LF Group" Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:24:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Correct test time Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01CA7740.8B675DE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.3 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01CA7740.8B675DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, Re: Test DDH47 147.3 QRSS3. This has now got VERY confusing. Is the transmission one hour UTC eith= er side of midnight 9th into 10th, or one hour UTC either side of midn= ight 10th into 11th December? Incidentally, my first message along these lines got a failure notice,= it said "This message scored 4.5 spam points - rejected". No comment= necessary! Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01CA7740.8B675DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All,
Re: Test DDH47 147.3 QRSS3.
This has now got VERY confusing. Is= the=20 transmission one hour UTC either side of midnight 9th into 10th, or on= e hour UTC=20 either side of midnight 10th into 11th December?
Incidentally, my first message along= these lines=20 got a failure notice, it said "This message scored 4.5 spam points -= rejected".=20 No comment necessary!
Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable,=20 Kent.
------=_NextPart_000_002C_01CA7740.8B675DE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de04.mx.aol.com (rly-de04.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.140]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE031-4d14b18195536a; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:02:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE048-4d14b18195536a; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:02:30 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGHrp-00048K-K4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:01:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGHrp-00048B-9Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:01:33 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGHro-0007xb-OK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:01:33 +0000 Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091203200127.VVNX27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:01:27 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091203200127.YFHY2093.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:01:27 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:01:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B181911.14897.10C57EC@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=dUma5NnJ1iTid-m5DfoA:9 a=Tg1YbpEzVWbhhM-OSeGwfSbraQkA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: XDV 136.318kHz Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I will be transmitting 'XDV' overnight tonight using QRSS60 on 136.3180kHz. Mike, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (rly-dc07.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.36]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC041-b344b20321f2ff; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:26:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC078-b344b20321f2ff; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:26:25 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIVuL-0006Nd-Qo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:25:21 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIVuL-0006NU-3j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:25:21 +0000 Received: from nina.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.76]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIVuJ-00048q-CB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:25:21 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by nina.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nB9NPCcP004840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 19:55:12 -0330 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 19:55:12 -0330 (NST) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 147.3 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Loud and clear in Canada. 579. 73 Joe VO1NA On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com wrote: > DDH47 now on CW abt 15 wpm 549 > > > > > From: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:52 PM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc08.mx.aol.com (rly-mc08.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.92]) by air-mc06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC063-d894b1b508437c; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 01:35:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC081-d894b1b508437c; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 01:34:45 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHAgf-0002jz-Kp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:33:41 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHAgf-0002jq-3u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:33:41 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s25.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.36]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHAge-0006du-FH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:33:41 +0000 Received: from BLU146-DS1 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s25.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 5 Dec 2009 22:33:34 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [221.198.86.16] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 06:33:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2009 06:33:34.0269 (UTC) FILETIME=[08E3FED0:01CA763E] X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: W on 137.779kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Also seen here in China, UA4WPF? Laurence BY3A KL1 X -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jacek Lipkowski" Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 4:12 AM To: Subject: LF: W on 137.779kHz > Someone is sending W on 137.779 in QRSS120. > > Does anybody know who it is? > > vy 73 > > Jacek / SQ5BPF > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de02.mx.aol.com (rly-de02.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.138]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE032-4b84b251c78e5; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:55:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE023-4b84b251c78e5; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:55:21 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJrhc-0006EH-FW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:53:48 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJrhc-0006E8-24 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:53:48 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJriD-00046u-BJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:54:27 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 13 Dec 2009 16:54:18 -0000 Received: from p5DD35FDD.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.211.95.221] by mail.gmx.net (mp017) with SMTP; 13 Dec 2009 17:54:18 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19NDSdE4bRN0Y3FLF8Jru9A6ncRGxy5rHSbUDk97S 4Vv4/3Uk1N9rMq Message-ID: <018101ca7c14$e9405ce0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> <241919.87622.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9afca2640912130305r3acb5e5fs991caaa1115d2255@mail.gmail.com> <6E7638745A1B43168C402CDBB010C2A7@AGB> <297314752.20091213174834@web.de> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:54:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.53 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: IK1HSS WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Michael, saw your name in the database but didn't realize that it might have been you. Did you try the ALA1530,too? 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Oexner" To: Cc: ; "Marco IK1ODO" Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 5:48 PM Subject: Re: LF: IK1HSS WSPR Ciao Marco, > IK1HSS is active in WSPR on 137.740 (signal frequency, carrier is at > 136.420). ERP power is 50 mW from JN35TB. > Reports are appreciated to ik1hss@arrl.net ! 1638 -22 0.1 0.137753 -1 IK1HSS JN35 17 1642 -19 0.2 0.137753 -1 IK1HSS JN35 17 1646 -17 0.1 0.137753 0 IK1HSS JN35 17 Listening here with Perseus and mini-whip antenna. -- vy 73 + gd DX, Michael RX: ICOM R75, SDR-IQ, Perseus Antenna: Wellbrook ALA 1530, Mini-Whip Location: Roschbach, Germany N 4915' E 807' / Locator JN49BF ENDBH & NANDBH editor http://ndbchangeblog.blogspot.com http://lwca.org/miscdocs/oexner/2009NDBinfo.zip -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.716 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.105/2561 - Ausgabedatum: 12/12/09 20:39:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc05.mx.aol.com (rly-dc05.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.34]) by air-dc09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC094-b1f4b3878f3272; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 04:23:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC053-b1f4b3878f3272; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 04:23:00 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPBnd-0004VD-Kq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:22:01 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPBnd-0004V4-3t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:22:01 +0000 Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.213.7]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPBnb-0001mg-2X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:22:01 +0000 Received: from [172.23.170.138] (helo=anti-virus01-09) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NPBna-0001OA-2r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:21:58 +0000 Received: from [92.235.33.173] (helo=p4) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NPBnZ-0008Li-9G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:21:57 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Mark" To: References: <80578.2091.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <5263798E332240C3BC686B3164057D2F@p4> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:21:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: WD2XSH/17 decoded in GM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0080_01CA879F.33BA5600" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01CA879F.33BA5600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All,=20 Must be too early, it seems I missed a bit in the change log about sup= port for compound callsigns in V2 Excellent! Mark GM4ISM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 9:03 AM Subject: LF: WD2XSH/17 decoded in GM Hi All,=20 3 instances of decodes of WD2XSH on 503.890KHz last night between 01= :00 and 03:00z all with bad message tagged, and no /17 appended These of course did not upload, sigs were 2 off -28 dB and 1 off -27= dB Several other corrupted calls reported on the same frequency. I was using WSPR1.01, now upgraded to WSPR2 r1714. The change log= does not suggest that 1.01 does not handle the suffixes correctly, bu= t I am hoping that the upgrade will improve things Interestingly the RX noise level indicator says -30dB all the time,= irrespective of the audio level settings, though it displays and deco= des well enough. Soundcard setup is non-standard here, RX is softrock, processed by= Speclab (which also provides the grabber see www.dc2light.co.uk for= a link) Audio Output from Speclab is filtered, frequency shifted and= then passed to the WSPR software. Pleased to copy the WD2XSH/17 on the tiny mag loop antenna, which is= aligned roughly E-W and therfore has a null towards the USA Hopefully future spots will reach the database. Hope all have a happy and prosperous 2010 Mark GM4ISM IO85AR ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.121/2589 - Release Date:= 12/27/09 09:18:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01CA879F.33BA5600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All,
Must be too early, it seems I missed= a bit in the=20 change log about support for compound callsigns in V2
 
Excellent!
Mark GM4ISM
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mark
Sent: Monday, December 28, 20= 09 9:03=20 AM
Subject: LF: WD2XSH/17 decode= d in=20 GM

Hi All,
3 instances of decodes of WD2XSH=20 on 503.890KHz last night between 01:00 and 03:00z all with ba= d message=20 tagged, and no /17 appended
These of course did not upload, sig= s were 2 off=20 -28 dB and 1 off -27dB
Several other corrupted calls repor= ted on the=20 same frequency.
 
I was using WSPR1.01, now upgraded= to WSPR2 =20 r1714. The change log does not suggest that 1.01 does not handle the= suffixes=20 correctly, but I am hoping that the upgrade will improve things
 Interestingly the RX noise le= vel indicator=20 says -30dB all the time, irrespective of the audio level settings,= though it=20 displays and decodes well enough.
Soundcard setup is non-standard her= e, RX is=20 softrock, processed by Speclab (which also provides the grabber = ; see www.dc2light.co.uk= for a link) Audio=20 Output from Speclab is filtered, frequency shifted and then passed= to the WSPR=20 software.
 
Pleased to copy the WD2XSH/17= on the tiny=20 mag loop antenna, which is aligned roughly E-W and therfore has a nu= ll towards=20 the USA
Hopefully future spots will reach= the=20 database.
Hope all have a happy and prosperou= s=20 2010
Mark GM4ISM IO85AR


No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AV= G -=20 www.avg.com
Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.121/2589= - Release=20 Date: 12/27/09 09:18:00
------=_NextPart_000_0080_01CA879F.33BA5600-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg09.mx.aol.com (rly-mg09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.115]) by air-mg10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG104-a314b2a56bb2f9; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:05:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG093-a314b2a56bb2f9; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:05:17 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLImW-0007Bi-T6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:00:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLImW-0007BZ-DZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:00:48 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLIos-0005Jm-B3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:03:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 11137 invoked by uid 507); 17 Dec 2009 17:03:24 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2009 17:03:24 +0100 Message-ID: <200912171703320369.1D457178@smtp2.numeo.fr> In-Reply-To: <1260202597.4b1d2a65f3b5c@imp.netikka.net> References: <1260202597.4b1d2a65f3b5c@imp.netikka.net> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:03:32 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Broadcast audio splatter on 136kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I have been hearing this during the paast week, both after dark and in day= light. It coincides with a strong signal here from Lakihegy, but I do not= say the Hungarian transmission causes it. John Rabson=20 F5VLF 58800 Cervon France JN17vg *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 07/12/2009 at 18:16 Paul-Henrik wrote: >LF > >Does anybody else on the reflector suffer from BC-splatter on 136kHz? It >has >been a regular occurance here lately after dark. After some identificatio= n >work >I have a match on the running programmes on 171 and 225kHz, 225kHz being >the >stronger. > >I blamed my RX chain at first and started to eliminate IMD possibilities >but >even now using a passive antenna and a very sharp bandpass filter (much >like an >IF-filter for a valve BC-set) I still have the BC splatter. > >So far I have not been able to determine the carrier frequency of this >"phantom >station" but it must be close to the carrier of Lakihegy. Using AM >detection >with a narrow filter it seems centered around 135.4kHz. Sounds like two >BC-stations on top of eachother and the USB reaches up in the amateur ban= d >making "ghost whispers". > >Luxembourg effect, transmitter IMD or just me missing the point? The >bandpass >filter is very effective and there are only weak traces of signals above >150kHz. > > >BR > >Paul-Henrik, OH1LSQ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-di02.mx.aol.com (rly-di02.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.6]) by air-di01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI012-eab74b16aa138d; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:55:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-di02.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E45C338003995; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:55:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFtOv-0006P8-CD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:54:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFtOv-0006Oz-1C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:54:05 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.27]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFtOt-0007hn-CE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:54:05 +0000 Received: from pc1 (ndb.demon.nl [82.161.81.65]) by smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nB2HrlS9076334 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:54:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:53:46 -0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Roelof Bakker" MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B16987B.9000002@usa.net> Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4B16987B.9000002@usa.net> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.63 (Win32) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40064b16aa112b88 X-AOL-IP: 172.29.64.6 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Alberto, I have used a large coffee tin (30 cm high and 27 cm diameter), for a passive electric field probe. The capacitance was way to high for active circuitry. Instead a rf transformer wound on a hefty high mu toroid was used to couple the antenna to the coaxial feedline. It worked, though the bandwidth was restricted to LF and MF. An other example is using a small diecast alluminium box (50 x 50 x 30 mm) with the buffer amplifier mounted inside. 73, Roelof, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (rly-mg06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.112]) by air-mg07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG072-a1e4b197da122e; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:23:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG068-a1e4b197da122e; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:22:42 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGfb9-0002X7-Hy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:21:55 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGfb9-0002Wy-3i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:21:55 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f215.google.com ([209.85.220.215]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGfb7-0000e0-EA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:21:55 +0000 Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so2855652fxm.29 for ; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:21:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=cnvQIX7a+SrHVpDXm0HuzPYFgN6mkBrq5wrJiqo7Dm0=; b=MOPCoIVXDr4upc7JRe76FZZiLpuxZaWREmAvA2flZUoAZ1gUwk7Pv/CT8D5qOelfX6 BR6EO6Xsyffcz7eXKw0Ooj+BL6DjbSJ7W7Gna2+ioxPyfc6d0GHETugrDB6QjPVsc/oq tZvfswshtUpWsu/1Xbu6wcu5YayYisrKHeyH0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=nKoAOnnXjNiAB++gLaR3yS6eBu5WPdCI/wfSNuatXI/PS6halNY3qFVFtpCSROYsQV Iy2MKAHZJTA1Qb6fgy4M8VAdrZMYe/rNPUTVG989O6jvmWryhwGQR/s3ExbTi7PPS8Yx vc5JKeOR0oY/F7VwzmbPByyNbb6xYCTPp6lUo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.139.100 with SMTP id s36mr393808hbs.109.1259961707693; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:21:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <200912042200570285.01038188@smtp2.numeo.fr> References: <000a01ca74ff$163eb010$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <778502A52141494DA85FD6F121E71A01@lindavideo> <200912042200570285.01038188@smtp2.numeo.fr> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 21:21:47 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: FUSE TEST Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m269.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) I believe 'standard' fuses are designed to blow in around one second at 100% overload. At 50% overload, an hour or two - ish. Back at school in the 1970's, "someone" rewired the 100A fuse controlling the stage lighting box with 5A fusewire, and set up the lights to draw 15A illuminating the morning assembly one day. Worked to perfection - the headmaster and his deputy were plunged into darkness midway through their spiel. The large mass of ceramic housing cooled the wire and extended the overload duration to 15 minutes at 200% overload. The fuse and carrier were VERY hot afterwards, the brass contacts had even discoloured. Good thing the wire was surrounded by asbestos :-) Also, about that time, "someone" also wanted to see what a 30 A short on the mains looked like. Won't do that again intentionally! Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police 2009/12/4 John RABSON : > > On 04/12/2009 at 20:22 Ken wrote: > >>The ceramic fuses in 13A plug tops usually have a 100% overload >>capabiliy, this was also the case for some of the BT fuses. >> >>Ken >>de M0KHW > > I believe they are supposed to be able to clear 7000A short circuit (in case the installation is too close to the substation). > > John F5VLF > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da02.mx.aol.com (rly-da02.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.76]) by air-da06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA061-a574b1b96e82c8; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:35:22 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA027-a574b1b96e82c8; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:35:05 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHFNJ-0004J9-Hl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:34:01 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHFNJ-0004J0-3g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:34:01 +0000 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHFNH-0007xX-KD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:34:01 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqsGABQlG0tOlKDg/2dsb2JhbACIfpEuulOEMwSBZw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,349,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="153058307" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([78.148.160.224]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 06 Dec 2009 11:33:54 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01ca7667$fdf3e8d0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4B1B4301.8090909@telus.net> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:33:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: LF: Re: TIL Grabber status... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Scott I work mostly VE stns with a two letter suffix, is a three letter suffix a Novice licence? de Mal/G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Tilley" To: Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 5:37 AM Subject: LF: TIL Grabber status... > Hi Gentlemen and Mal > > I've been tweaking the grabber some more and found that there where some > bugs when viewing it with Microsoft IE (which I don't use for this and > many other reasons...) Now fixed. > > Also the DCF39 grabber has entered a stable data gather mode. A weekly > animation of the daily plots will now be provided. Anyone interested in > raw data should drop me a line off list. > > Any suggestions? Please let me know... > > As usual the grabber is running 24/7 in the 2200m watering hole with > both a 60sec and 120sec dot screen... > > 73 Scott > VE7TIL CN89dk > http://www3.telus.net/sthed/argo/ > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (rly-dd03.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.150]) by air-dd07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD072-b6c4b20f0c3156; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:00:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD036-b6c4b20f0c3156; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:59:49 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIibW-0002Hy-GJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:58:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIibV-0002Hp-Tv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:58:45 +0000 Received: from msa-k1.u-netsurf.ne.jp ([202.233.11.14]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp>) id 1NIibT-0002lD-VU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:58:45 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.5] (d25.HkanagawaFL59.vectant.ne.jp [122.103.154.25]) by msa-k1.u-netsurf.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81D8134BDC for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:58:40 +0900 (JST) From: Rick Wakatori <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <20091210100700.32DEC31E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <1260444821.6353.65.camel@vaio3rd> Organization: RLL Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:58:41 +0900 Message-Id: <1260449921.6353.77.camel@vaio3rd> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AW: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Laurence and the others, OKay. I will operate QRSS60 at 137780Hz as long as possible on 13th December. My antenna at there will be much suitable than usual. 73, Rick --=20 -.. . --... .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-. 7L1RLL under ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP) URL=3Dhttp://www1.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html -..--- -.- .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-... ...-. On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 11:39 +0000, hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com wrote: > Look forward to seeing the Signals Rik - The 13th will be my last weeken= d of=20 > Ops in China, and will be returning to Oklahoma in January ,,,,,,, >=20 > Laurence KL 1 X in BY3A >=20 >=20 >=20 > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Rick Wakatori" <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 11:33 AM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: AW: TX-2200A >=20 > > I agree Rik's observation on the 100W limitation. > > > > Average CW operator is a KEY-technician without any science. > > A good earth is essencial for LF operation, otherwise would get LF sho= ck > > at frame of transmitter. > > Linear amplifier is based on self responsibility. > > > > There is another reason in a market place for such tranceiver in JP. > > 100W/50W machine has much wider, say 100 times, of market place than= 1KW > > machine. > > > > In any way, there is still a high wall in front of a operator who > > bought the machine, such tuner, good earth, good antenna and etc. > > > > In any way, I will operate QRSS60 using TX2200A/50W at 137780Hz+-1Hz= in > > a peak of peninsular from 01:00UTC to 02:30UTC on coming Sunday,Decemb= er > > 13,20 or 27 depending on crimate. > > 73, > > --=20 > > -.. . --... .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-. > > 7L1RLL under ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP) > > URL=3Dhttp://www1.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html > > -..--- -.- .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-... ...-. > > On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 11:07 +0100, Rik Strobbe wrote: > >> Stefan, > >> > >> there is one good reason to limit the output > >> power 100W: more power could become lethal (high antenna voltages /= =20 > >> currents). > >> The "black box operators" must be protected > >> against this danger, otherwise they might go QRT due to "natural=20 > >> selection" :-) > >> > >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > >> > >> At 10:19 10/12/2009, you wrote: > >> >Warren, LF, > >> >Tnx for the info! > >> >I am not "afraid" that now many OMs come on the > >> >band who just bought their rig, like on HF. Even > >> >if you could buy a loading coil, you never will > >> >get qrv satisfactorily cause you always have to > >> >consider many things like the earth, the local > >> >noise reduction, the impedance transformation to 50 Ohm and so on. > >> >These OMs, even if they could buy a automatic > >> >tuner (that would not be easy to create as a > >> >commercial product) for LF, would be frustrated > >> >soon cause there are no contests and no 100s of > >> >stns calling on the band ;-) They would say "LF > >> >is dead, just nerving qrm" and would never get > >> >the fascination that we all experience. > >> >Finally I don't understand why this PA has just > >> >100W. To reach 1W ERP, most LFers have to apply > >> >1kW and more, so 100W is QRP on LF ;-). 1kW can > >> >easily be reached on LF without using expensive > >> >special transistors and drivers and ferrite > >> >cores. E.g. with one simple IRFP360 we can built > >> >a 1kW high efficiency calss d or e PA that costs not even 50=E2=82= =AC... > >> >These difficulties to get qrv is one part of the > >> >LF hobby and if they are solved, one can be glad > >> >even without doing 100s of qsos in one evening :-) > >> > > >> >Stefan / DK7FC > >> >-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht----- > >> >Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > >> >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Warren=20 > >> >Ziegler > >> >Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. Dezember 2009 16:30 > >> >An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > >> >Betreff: LF: TX-2200A > >> > > >> >Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 > >> >Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver > >> >muting. > >> >Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! > >> > > >> >http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >73 Warren K2ORS > >> > WD2XGJ > >> > WD2XSH/23 > >> > WE2XEB/2 > >> > WE2XGR/1 > >> > >> > > > > > > > >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da01.mx.aol.com (rly-da01.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.75]) by air-da04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA044-a4e4b207d0a2c6; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:46:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA016-a4e4b207d0a2c6; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:46:04 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIatm-0007uX-3k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:45:06 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIatl-0007uO-4x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:45:05 +0000 Received: from defout.telus.net ([199.185.220.240]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIatj-0005iu-3l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:45:05 +0000 Received: from edtnaa03.telusplanet.net ([75.157.163.71]) by priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091210044500.VMPW760.priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net@edtnaa03.telusplanet.net> for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 21:45:00 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.67] (d75-157-163-71.bchsia.telus.net [75.157.163.71]) by edtnaa03.telusplanet.net (BorderWare Security Platform) with ESMTP id 952591E3E3C281C2 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 21:45:00 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <4B207CCB.2060405@telus.net> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:44:59 +0000 From: Scott Tilley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4B206EEF.8060700@telus.net> In-Reply-To: <4B206EEF.8060700@telus.net> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Unid signal on ~137778.8Hz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) DCF39 audible tonight... Nice signals over the last few days. By the looks of the plot it may have been audible a couple of hours before sunset today for the first time! Scott Tilley wrote: > Anyone own the carrier on 137778.8ish? Started around 0030UTC and is > still going now at 0345UTC. Drifting down slightly in frequency as it > goes... > > TU ES 73, > Scott > VE7TIL CN89dk > http://www3.telus.net/sthed/argo/ > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc02.mx.aol.com (rly-mc02.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.86]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC021-d5b4b169a4d2ee; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:48:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC023-d5b4b169a4d2ee; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:48:14 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFsMK-0005KH-Pq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:47:20 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFsMK-0005K8-4Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:47:20 +0000 Received: from smtp825.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.13.122]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFsMH-0006G0-Tm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:47:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 89378 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2009 16:47:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=CGBgWjOTzL2EknArgWMRnuddu84/GRj8vfZJ8O6U3n2rz/ZsBwlpIeoynO0nocwiKU7ZGbN++IqIkZOu3rrbZEp+1m/pwmJGzPkaxxqzsLFwkfgNDohx6ggCE/2rnW32Rxq5xW9xZR/ToZkkfNO5njBmgAU+H3IWZL0FxtgAKkA= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@81.131.41.72 with login) by smtp825.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 16:47:11 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: KHdpK2OswBBXlm4uxknbEiS4uYdJoGknHN90u4K8__lTafnafZg- X-YMail-OSG: Cfayxx8VM1mdjpLym6vO1H24ubeFKhDeyv6rtrC5XaXnNOC7Hs58iDhW_tXVe4F.CfH00jhuFG0p5dGIW694vfNJydnA0hIpUUMDqxP9UQVK2FdrRuIvzOh5hVU43JhFDUEFh7dTHxQPhV_BPh136Yvr6bJL3MjC1OHRey.gja10jvJU89QvhxYim9c12XRPunVfrI1mybNHPLHRIFuF0JxkXM9aFHziTkl8D9Y9p_FnuWCVDTjNHpAuxCmsSREuzvRuaIPc6GI85KtCjoM5G4mTDQnuUu1X5MzOVi6nZ.l3Yz1mJgLuqvT7fiz7gypVuYSl2xdtdMmoHQV9YfiYxWCJ39Xy X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <001b01ca736f$1f3324d0$0900a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:47:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=BE_AMAZED autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Stephan, well if you look at Roelof 'PA0RDTs "MiniWhip" you will find the "whip" is about 4 square cms area of copper pcb material. The thing you muct be careful about is where you put your "ground" reference. The usual method is to run a wire vertically down to ground brlow the "whip". The volatge "collected" by the e-probe is proportional to its "height" so you might say you are sampling two points on the incoming wave and the farther apart you sample the bigger induced voltage you get. The difficult ting if you are in a high noise area is to stop the coax feeder braid from piching up the noise and injecting it into the whip "amplifier" (really and impedance converter.) For instance Laurence KL1X has had these on top of tower blocks, but has found the best low noise ground reference is the frame of the balcony doors, these presumably are connected to the reinforcing material in the structuse and that seems to suppress noise generated inside the block rom the likes of TV and lift motors. They dont work for everybody because it very much depends on your noise source and how far away it is. There certainly is not much advantage in having a long whip or wire on these antennas, but increased height will improve the picked up signal strength. It may be with a shorter wire there is less coupling to the feeder coax. If you can reject the noise from there you could increase the height and get better S/N on signals. Every location is different!!. Good experiment....keep trying !! you will be amazed what can be a achieved once you conquor the locally generated stuff. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 4:01 PM Subject: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Hi Mike, Bernd, LF, Thank you very much for your transmission yesterday in the evening! I could do very useful tests and improve my little rx-antenna significantly. I'm not sure if anyone who uses a short E-field active antenna as a rx antenna knows about the dependence of wire length and the height above ground so I want to give a report of the results of my tests yesterday in the dark. Perhaps some others could improve their antenna by these explanations... (First I tried to sent the pictures into the mail but the mail size became more than 100kB and so the mail wasn't reflected, as it seems. So I do modify the mail cancelling the Pictures. I put them on my page at qrz.com and those who are interested in the results of my improvements can find them there (at the lower end of the site)...) For the first test I tried the active antenna with a wire of 1,4m. The lower end of the wire was abt 2m above gnd (observed signal of G3XDV)(Argo without AGC and RX with fast AGC). There was almost nothing to see. Then, I reduced the wire length to 80cm while the hight above gnd keeping constant. Results were much better as can be seen. Next: 40cm wire length: even much better! Next: 30cm: signal gets lower but qrm also. SNR slightly better. Next: 25cm is the best, as I think. Next: 20cm Signal becomes worse. So, the optimum seems to be at around 25...30cm! Next: 20cm in a height of 4m: Signal comes up but noise also. No significant increase of SNR The signals of Ossi/OE5ODL were audible in all the tests and vy gd to cpi. But the signal was too strong to see any differences between the S/N ratios (a Picture is also available). My Conclusion: It seems that a short receiving antenna can bee seen as a capacitive divider out of the capacity between far field and antenna and the capacity between antenna and ground. If the wire length is to much, the input stage becomes nonlinear/goes into saturation. If the height above ground is increased the signal comes up, but not the signal/noise ratio(surely there will be a benefit if such an antenna is placed in a region with heavy local qrm. Then, the height should be increased and the wire length can be decreased). So, one cannot say "the more the better" talking about the wire length! It's exciting, we can receive our "QRP"-Signals (compared to HF) over a distance of 100s or 1000s of km with a wire that is 1/10000 Lambda! In comparison, in the 80m band that would be an antenna of 8mm (!) ;-) With this improvement I get new hope for receiving anything out of the city, where my home QTH is... I hope this report isn't nerving because of the long text (and pictures) and size. I try to stay always below 100kB. Perhaps some RXs can be improved or Lowfers gets motivated to try such an antenna... 73, Stefan/DK7FC PS: Mike, what's your locator? I want to check the distance and take a view to your QTH (on http://f6fvy.free.fr/qthLocator/fullScreen.php everyone can type the searched QTH-Locator and watch the QTH of the received stn). So one can see the distance and the wave travelling path and if the stn in directly at the beach or in the mountains and so on. Vy fine! PPS: I forward this message to Bernd, the constructor of the preamp. I think he doesn't know that the antenna gets even better when reducing the wire length! (tnx Bernd!) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md04.mx.aol.com (rly-md04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.142]) by air-md04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD044-8fe4b1d50a23c1; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:59:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD046-8fe4b1d50a23c1; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:59:48 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHinL-0003K0-Gg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:58:51 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHinL-0003Jr-3v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:58:51 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHinG-0001Qk-Og for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:58:51 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so4033727bwz.4 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 10:58:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=/P8Bs+mk70B1bbALHBFdqpJgX9Uw14x08IVujH3GhGM=; b=gJThZg/M3yXSGovbjEXEcvltYhZNNXhuaKrOIDVeNowc7nxHNya3UOaLaH6NlJrlWe gnOOr8RDC1de1UFYFSjutUb+Ax1ZVD21rNYlmPOZMLppY8rTjc1Dm1i1aXjHiqjFciWO /0nDDIg4unF4ARvvx0LX1TTNqQTA6q1u3oWo0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=UPp/dRB7QOHlT8rRd3/fFa0S27mhA4Yh1MHxHWIAbXNORZGnbbgs9WEGrEoUTRpEDi cA1jgJHSFI5EjPQJjyqTdNbtEKJBZIyHIOuAbT99iPg6IYMhEYHMbv1uW4cPfmm+Zm6j aZePBAWE4PR9Zhh14vTmu6t7LIKHPftnSYs2Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.24.69 with SMTP id u5mr7624446bkb.1.1260212320666; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 10:58:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 18:58:40 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2640912071058u8d99fbbp6c9464d698d6f0f7@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500kHz CW CQ CQ.... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325554766b706cb047a280bbb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d269.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000325554766b706cb047a280bbb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm calling CQ on ~501.8kHz but getting no responses as yet.... 73s Roger G3XBM -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --000325554766b706cb047a280bbb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm calling CQ on ~501.8kHz but getting no responses as yet....
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--000325554766b706cb047a280bbb-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db02.mx.aol.com (rly-db02.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.77]) by air-db04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB043-aaf4b27a2fd34c; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:55:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB025-aaf4b27a2fd34c; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:53:54 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKYiT-0005ji-Cv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:49:33 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKYiS-0005jZ-6u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:49:32 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKYk7-0004Jd-Vd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:51:18 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBFEpEiM014033 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:51:15 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:51:14 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:51:16 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC7C@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10 / PA design Thread-Index: Acp9kZshlaMyUSMRRv+U1PL4qaQAhgAAUtsw From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.625;15.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.15.144216 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA7D96.0CC88541" Subject: LF: AW: Re: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10 / PA design X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7D96.0CC88541 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Jim! First i want to say that i am glad to meet you here. Do you remember our= QSO in 2004? And mni tnx for your article to the tuning meter (and others= )! I have built it 2003 and it is for me the most useful measuring device= on LF at all! Yes, on 137kHz a half bridge is also a good idea since the losses are quit= e small. But, for a half or full bridge like in these decca transmitters,= one needs an output ferrite core that can handle the whole output power.= I think these are expensive (?), not easy to get and could be driven into= saturation when dimensioned well. In my class e PA I use a single (!) IRF= P360 that costs 1,9 Euro in the moment. This PA can easily handle 1kW with= an efficiency of more than 96%. In the whole PA circuit, no ferrite cores= are used, just two iron powder cores for the output filter. The driver is= one cheap ICL7667, available for 1,1 Euro. All Capacitors are of the type= wima FKP1 (2kV version), costs are belo= w 1 Euro. So, I think a half bridge is more expensive? Best 73 and hope for another QSO!!! =20 Stefan / DK7FC =20 =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von James Moritz Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Dezember 2009 15:15 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: Re: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10 / PA design =20 Dear Stefan, LF Group, =20 A much better choice of circuit topology for QRO transmitters using an=20 off-line rectified mains PSU of about 330V is the half- or full bridge,=20 voltage-mode class D, as used in the "Decca" PAs, and G4JNT's off-line=20 design. Here the peak voltage across each MOSFET is only equal to the DC= =20 supply voltage, so cheap 500V Mosfets designed for off-line SMPSUs are=20 ideal. The class E and push-pull current-mode class D designs are better= for=20 relatively low voltage supplies, say < 40V. =20 The limitation on TX power that can be used at LF with a vertical antenna= is=20 the antenna voltage, roughly Iant * XCant. In my experience, corona=20 breakdown becomes a problem in the 10 - 20kV range with a wire antenna. So= =20 to use high power, and so achieve high antenna current and ERP, you need= =20 high antenna capacitance. Also, the voltage will be increased if the anten= na=20 loss resistance is low. I found that, with an 10m high inverted L antenna= of=20 about 50m of wire in total, I could run 1.2kW reliably, provided care was= =20 taken to eliminate sharp ends, narrow spacings, etc. in the antenna and=20 tuner. This resulted in up to 5A antenna current, and about 17kV on the=20 antenna wire. Even so, I have to increase the antenna height in order to= =20 approach 1W ERP. At 500k, the antenna impedance is much lower, and=20 efficiency also usually higher, so TX power is less of a problem. =20 In my experience, DX contacts using QRSS30 are quite practical, given a=20 large supply of strong coffee! But with longer dot periods, good propagati= on=20 does not last long enough to complete even a minimal QSO. =20 Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7D96.0CC88541 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Jim!

First i want to say that i am glad to meet you here. Do you remember our QSO in= 2004? And mni tnx for your article to the tuning meter (and others)! I have buil= t it 2003 and it is for me the most useful measuring device on LF at all!

Yes, on 137kHz a half bridge is also a good idea since the losses are quite sma= ll. But, for a half or full bridge like in these decca transmitters, one needs an= output ferrite core that can handle the whole output power. I think these are expensive (?), not easy to get and could be driven into saturation when di= mensioned well. In my class e PA I use a single (!) IRFP360 that costs 1,9 Euro in= the moment. This PA can easily handle 1kW with an efficiency of more than 96%.= In the whole PA circuit, no ferrite cores are used, just two iron powder core= s for the output filter. The driver is one cheap ICL7667, available for 1,1 Euro= . All Capacitors are of the type wima= FKP1 (2kV version), costs are below 1 Euro. So, I think a half bridge is more expensive?

Best 73 and hope for another QSO!!!

 

Stefan / DK7FC

 

 

-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von James Moritz
Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Dezember 2009 15:15
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: LF: Re: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10 / PA design

 

Dear Stefan, LF Group,=

 

A much better choice of circuit topo= logy for QRO transmitters using an

off-line rectified mains PSU of abou= t 330V is the half- or full bridge,

voltage-mode class D, as used in the= "Decca" PAs, and G4JNT's off-line

design. Here the peak voltage across= each MOSFET is only equal to the DC

supply voltage, so cheap 500V Mosfet= s designed for off-line SMPSUs are

ideal. The class E and push-pull cur= rent-mode class D designs are better for

relatively low voltage supplies, say= < 40V.

 

The limitation on TX power that can= be used at LF with a vertical antenna is

the antenna voltage, roughly Iant *= XCant. In my experience, corona

breakdown becomes a problem in the= 10 - 20kV range with a wire antenna. So

to use high power, and so achieve hi= gh antenna current and ERP, you need

high antenna capacitance. Also, the= voltage will be increased if the antenna

loss resistance is low. I found that= , with an 10m high inverted L antenna of

about 50m of wire in total, I could= run 1.2kW reliably, provided care was

taken to eliminate sharp ends, narro= w spacings, etc. in the antenna and

tuner. This resulted in up to 5A ant= enna current, and about 17kV on the

antenna wire. Even so, I have to inc= rease the antenna height in order to

approach 1W ERP. At 500k, the antenn= a impedance is much lower, and

efficiency also usually higher, so= TX power is less of a problem.

 

In my experience, DX contacts using= QRSS30 are quite practical, given a

large supply of strong coffee! But= with longer dot periods, good propagation

does not last long enough to complet= e even a minimal QSO.

 

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

 

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7D96.0CC88541-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (rly-dg11.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.95]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG052-6044b38c0692a7; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:28:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG115-6044b38c0692a7; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:27:55 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPGYp-00054M-OQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:27:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPGYp-00054D-Bv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:27:03 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPGYo-0006YF-3v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:27:03 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 139DD51C005 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:26:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB39F31E702 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:26:50 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 71D3118056; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:26:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from 253.7-180-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (253.7-180-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [91.180.7.253]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:26:50 +0100 Message-ID: <20091228152650.rdjdznups0kcs0gw@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:26:50 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <80578.2091.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <5263798E332240C3BC686B3164057D2F@p4> In-Reply-To: <5263798E332240C3BC686B3164057D2F@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 91.180.7.253 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WD2XSH/17 decoded in GM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Mark, you will need WSPR2 to get good decodes of WD2XSH/xx 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Mark : > Hi All, > 3 instances of decodes of WD2XSH on 503.890KHz last night between =20 > 01:00 and 03:00z all with bad message tagged, and no /17 appended > These of course did not upload, sigs were 2 off -28 dB and 1 off -27dB > Several other corrupted calls reported on the same frequency. > > I was using WSPR1.01, now upgraded to WSPR2 r1714. The change log =20 > does not suggest that 1.01 does not handle the suffixes correctly, =20 > but I am hoping that the upgrade will improve things > Interestingly the RX noise level indicator says -30dB all the time, =20 > irrespective of the audio level settings, though it displays and =20 > decodes well enough. > Soundcard setup is non-standard here, RX is softrock, processed by =20 > Speclab (which also provides the grabber see =20 > www.dc2light.co.uk for a link) Audio =20 > Output from Speclab is filtered, frequency shifted and then passed =20 > to the WSPR software. > > Pleased to copy the WD2XSH/17 on the tiny mag loop antenna, which is =20 > aligned roughly E-W and therfore has a null towards the USA > Hopefully future spots will reach the database. > Hope all have a happy and prosperous 2010 > Mark GM4ISM IO85AR > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (rly-dd02.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.149]) by air-dd09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD094-b664b23c88e9f; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 11:45:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD028-b664b23c88e9f; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 11:45:03 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJV4b-0001JM-4T for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:44:01 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJV4a-0001JD-Hs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:44:00 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJV4b-00006P-Rn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:44:04 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 12 Dec 2009 16:43:56 -0000 Received: from p5DC43D5F.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.196.61.95] by mail.gmx.net (mp060) with SMTP; 12 Dec 2009 17:43:56 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+Ee7BAm5WE25HTpfW/VSZGOnHPPnU6bIM8bP9ct6 DkRM3os5bg4SH6 Message-ID: <00b401ca7b4a$4ba0b4a0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC1F@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B23B319.9080005@usa.net> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:43:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.49 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Japanese time&frequency station Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Bona sera,Alberto, I was,about one year ago (7th Oct 2008,19.26UTC). I could receive it on three different receivers,which were a Telefunken E1800, an Icom IC-7800 and the Perseus-SDR (listing according to their order of receiving quality). The antennas were a K9AY and a 2x46m dipole with 42m open wire feeder which actually behaves on this qrg as vertical (feeder goes up 6m vertical, the rest runs horizontal) with a horizontal capacity hat (82m wire), as it is not (yet) tuned or balanced for this low qrg. The "dipole" was a little bit better than the K9AY. CW-ID is sent at h+15m+40s and again at > h+45m+40s, two times each. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alberto di Bene" To: Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 4:13 PM Subject: LF: Japanese time&frequency station > Is there anybody in Europe that was able to receive the Japanese time&frequency standard > station at 40 kHz ? > If yes, could you please give details about the equipments, especially the antenna, used ? > > I am trying since some time, night and day, but no luck so far.... > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.716 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.104/2559 - Ausgabedatum: 12/11/09 20:37:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me01.mx.aol.com (rly-me01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.34]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME032-9984b3293b2125; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 17:03:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME014-9984b3293b2125; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 17:03:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNZHV-0006DS-Kc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:02:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNZHV-0006DJ-9v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:02:09 +0000 Received: from mailout.toya.net.pl ([217.113.224.27] ident=postfix) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNZHT-0008Mh-K3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:02:09 +0000 Received: from mail.toya.net.pl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E7220000075 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 23:02:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (unknown [10.11.152.246]) (Authenticated sender: unimlyn) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A3F7420000065 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 23:02:06 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B32935D.1000006@toya.net.pl> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 23:02:05 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?UGlvdHIgTcWCeW5hcnNraQ==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 137khz X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Christmas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear LF Friends, Merry Christmas to all of You and your Families, 73 de Piotr, sq7mpj qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (rly-dc06.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.35]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC082-b2c4b2791f9dc; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:41:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC068-b2c4b2791f9dc; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:41:14 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKXbU-0004I4-0A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:38:16 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKXbT-0004Hv-Bd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:38:15 +0000 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKXd7-0003iW-Rd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:40:00 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AukLABIgJ0tUDUcY/2dsb2JhbACCKIhzwnWKAYQrBIFi X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,400,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="215019605" Received: from host-84-13-71-24.opaltelecom.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([84.13.71.24]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2009 13:39:51 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01ca7d8c$12e01810$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC77@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:39:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: AW: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA7D8C.129D69C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA7D8C.129D69C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 10 K/watts is a nice starting power to start a fire with a small broom= stick antenna, be daring and go for 20 K/watts for more spectacular re= sults like the Northern Lights G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 12:44 PM Subject: AW: AW: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Mni tnx Rik for your answer! No, you didn't spoil the fun at all ;-) I have some remarks/ideas. The coil losses increase linear with the power but not more than lin= ear. So, 10x the power wouldn't decrease the antenna efficiency (if no= arcing occurs, of course). If we assume an antenna, e.g. in 8m height= with many toploads, then the efficiency will be poor but the capacita= nce will be high and thus the needed L will be small. Therefore we get= a low voltage even with very high power and due to the low efficiency= we will keep the legal limit. So, if one has no possibility to increa= se the antenna height QRO is one choice, especially when the operator= is already in pension and cannot do a qso in qrss10000000000000000000= 000000 any more ;-)=20 It should be possible to run a TX directly of the mains (giving abou= t 330V DC). But for 10kW the PSU current would be 33A, requiring somet= hing like a 60000uF/450V elco, these large HV elco's cost a fortune (a= t QRL we recenty had to replace a 4700uF/450V capacitor, it costed ove= r 200 Euro). And for a Class-D / Class-E amp running of 330V a 900V power FET mig= ht be a bit on the edge for a foolprove TX (but since you are spending= a fortune on elco's you can spend some more money on 1.5kV devices ;-= ) ). Yes, you are right. But i mean i USA, where the voltage is 110V, you= get about 155V and thus the 900V FET would have 6 times more. For a= class e mode PA, 4x the voltage can be reached when SWR is correct(!)= so there would be a goog savety factor. About the Capacitors: You cou= ld reduce the needed C when using a 3 phase system (of the kitchen ove= n ;-) ). Then you would get about 268VDC and therefore a factor 3,35= to the 900V which will be critical for the FETs when SWR is not absol= utely constant 1:1, so better using a IXFH24N100 ;-) Really nice, that conversation! Tnx! 73, Stefan / DK7FC ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA7D8C.129D69C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
10 K/watts is a nice starting power= to start a fire=20 with a small broomstick antenna, be daring and go for 20 K/watts for= more=20 spectacular results like the Northern Lights
G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 15,= 2009 12:44=20 PM
Subject: AW: AW: LF: "Gain"= between qrss3=20 and qrss10?

Mni tnx Rik for=20 your answer!

 

No, you didn=92t=20 spoil the fun at all ;-)

 

I have some=20 remarks/ideas.

The coil losses=20 increase linear with the power but not more than linear. So, 10x the= power=20 wouldn=92t decrease the antenna efficiency (if no arcing occurs, of= course). If=20 we assume an antenna, e.g. in 8m height with many toploads, then the= =20 efficiency will be poor but the capacitance will be high and thus th= e needed L=20 will be small. Therefore we get a low voltage even with very high po= wer and=20 due to the low efficiency we will keep the legal limit. So, if one= has no=20 possibility to increase the antenna height QRO is one choice, especi= ally when=20 the operator is already in pension and cannot do a qso in=20 qrss10000000000000000000000000 any more ;-)

 

 

 

 

Yes, you are right.=20 But i mean i = USA, where the voltage=20 is 110V, you get about 155V and thus the 900V FET would have 6 times= more. For=20 a class e mode PA, 4x the voltage can be reached when SWR is correct= (!) so=20 there would be a goog savety factor. About the Capacitors: You could= reduce=20 the needed C when using a 3 phase system (of the kitchen oven ;-) ).= Then you=20 would get about 268VDC and therefore a factor 3,35 to the 900V which= will be=20 critical for the FETs when SWR is not absolutely constant 1:1, so be= tter using=20 a=20 IXFH24N100  ;-)

 

Really nice, that=20 conversation! Tnx!

 

73, Stefan /=20 DK7FC

 

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA7D8C.129D69C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.75]) by air-da05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA051-85e74b38bfab100; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:24:43 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E452D181E2; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:24:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPGV8-00052I-Pi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:23:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPGV8-000529-4K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:23:14 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPGV6-0006Wg-Ai for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:23:13 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 403517B8047 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:23:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15A84F3862 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:23:00 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 8C43618056; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:22:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from 253.7-180-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (253.7-180-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [91.180.7.253]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:22:59 +0100 Message-ID: <20091228152259.1s7jpzyps0w40o8o@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:22:59 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AD04@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AD04@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 91.180.7.253 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404b4b38bfaa6749 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Stefan, there is a easy way to check if you have too much attenuation or not: Tune the RX to an unused freq (only noise/QRN) and disconnect the =20 antenna; if you can hear the difference between antenna / no antenna =20 then attenuation is not too much. With a 11m high / 25m long lazy-L antenna at a quiet location I could =20 add 40dB attenuation and still hear the noise increasing when =20 connecting the antenna. I guess with a kite-antenna 50 to 60dB might be a good value. Of course it all depends also on the RX used, I use a Kenwood TS440 =20 that seems to be sensitive at LF. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Stefan Sch=E4fer : > Hi Rik es tnx for your answer. > In the first QSOs from /p I used the TX antenna. I quickly saw that =20 > SNR is much better with a 6dB attenuator. In the last activity I =20 > even used 20dB. But the SNR of the small active antenna is =20 > definitely better. Perhaps it is a good idea to try even more =20 > attenuation, tnx, I will try that! > On my QTH at my parents (2003/2004) I also used the TX antenna but =20 > it was much smaller. This antenna was more suitable for RX although =20 > the actual QTH is apart from any house in a region of some 100s =20 > meters... > 73, Stefan > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =20 > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe > Gesendet: Samstag, 26. Dezember 2009 23:29 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: Re: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna > > Hello Stefan, > > why not use the "big" TX antenna also for RX. With a sufficient > atenuator of course. > On 137kHz I alway used my TX antenna for RX, but a 40dB attenuator was > required to avoid overload at the RX. > > 73, Rik ON7YD > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (rly-dc03.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.32]) by air-dc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC011-b144b202d542aa; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:06:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC038-b144b202d542aa; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:05:58 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIVad-00063o-Bn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:04:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIVac-00063f-VS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:04:58 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s27.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.38]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIVac-0006fz-39 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:04:58 +0000 Received: from BLU146-DS6 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s27.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:04:47 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [117.12.234.152] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 23:04:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2009 23:04:47.0672 (UTC) FILETIME=[010A5B80:01CA7924] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 147.3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D9_01CA7924.00A000F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00D9_01CA7924.00A000F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DDH47 now on CW abt 15 wpm 549 From: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:52 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: DDH47 147.3 In pre test viewing from the DDH47 signal is good and decoding weathe= r at 50 baud 23Hz Shift "reverse" on the DigitalMaster 780 portion of= Ham radio delux. 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------=_NextPart_000_00D9_01CA7924.00A000F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da04.mx.aol.com (rly-da04.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.78]) by air-da01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA014-a674b28f8c3102; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:12:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA047-a674b28f8c3102; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:12:06 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKvUX-0005Lb-E9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:08:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKvUW-0005LS-Sh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:08:40 +0000 Received: from [130.83.156.232] (helo=lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKvWP-0005Rx-Bg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:10:39 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBGFAwhh012727 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:10:58 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:10:58 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:11:00 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB0@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <88FB4290CF234F66933047AD790B3719@JimPC> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10 / PA design Thread-Index: Acp+VTLTYyAIoSUITii030LHU+fnswAB8jwg From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.626;16.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.16.150039 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: LF: AW: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10 / PA design X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear Jim, LF,=20 Thank you for these explanatory notes. And i have nothing to disagree ;-) Yes, with a B2 recifier, the "minus-pole"/ground have a potential to earth= and so an isolating transformer is needed. And to make output power adjus= table in steps, there is a need for an output transformer since the DC vol= tage is constant and the load also.=20 One way to economise the output transformer would be to use a M3 rectifier= (3 phase system with one diode for each phase) but that's really not the= best choice since the voltage gets even 1,73x higher and hence the output= power 3x.=20 What about coupling capacitors, e.g. 1=B5F, to decouple the mains from the= coax screen (that should be earthed then without ground fault circuit int= errupter)? Then, the RF could be permitted to the antenna without making= a short circuit of the mains. Well, of course, this is just a theoretical= consideration, but a possibility when output power doesn't need to be adj= usted. And, if one really wants to built a 10kW PA I am not sure if a TV= line transformer would be suited. If we stay on the ground (I mean, norma= l power ranges), surely a class D or E is very suited for our amps. From= my sight, Class D is more complex in the topology and class E relatively= difficult to adjust since Ls and Cs have to be dimensionated very well.= So both sides have their pros and cons. Jim, which kind is your PA? I have the described 1kW Class E PA (80V DC)= and a 40W/120W class E PA for 12V DC. Since I have built a switching powe= r supply with adjustable output (12V input range(for /p operation and/or= solar supply at home)) I can adjust to any power within the limit... And are you still regular qrv in qrss/dfcw3? Are you qrv in CW? I would be= glad to do a longer qso again :-) 73s es gl de Stefan/DK7FC PS: Still searching for CW QRQ partners ;-) -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von James Moritz Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. Dezember 2009 14:31 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10 / PA design Dear Stefan, LF Group, DK7FC wrote: ...> Yes, on 137kHz a half bridge is also a good idea since the losses are= =20 quite small. But, for a half or full bridge like in these decca=20 transmitters, one needs an output ferrite core that can handle the whole= =20 output power. I think these are expensive (?), not easy to get and could= be=20 driven into saturation when dimensioned well....> I have used ETD49-size SMPSU cores successfully for transformers at 136k= at=20 the 1kW level. These are readily available from big component distributors= =20 in this country such as RS Components and Farnell - the set of core halves= ,=20 bobbin and clips costs about 5 - 10 GB Pounds. I suppose you should add so= me=20 more for wire and insulation, but this is a lot cheaper than a suitably=20 rated 50Hz transformer! In my experience, temperature rise due to hysteres= is=20 and other losses limits the power capability at these relatively high=20 frequencies, core saturation is not the limiting factor. In the overall cost of a QRO TX, the most expensive part is usually the DC= =20 power supply. So, if you are trying to achieve a low-cost TX design, and= you=20 already have a high power DC supply, it is sensible to design the TX to ma= ke=20 optimum use that supply. If you don't already have a PSU, economy is the= big=20 advantage of a 330V DC off-line rectified supply. The TX output power is= a=20 function of the DC supply V, the load resistance, and the circuit topology= =20 used. The DC supply is fixed by the mains voltage if we use a direct=20 rectified supply. If, for further economy, we try to design an output stag= e=20 with no output transformer, or other impedance matching, then the load=20 impedance is also fixed. So the power output is then fixed for a particula= r=20 circuit configuration. For a push-pull or full-bridge design we really nee= d=20 an output transformer to drive a single-ended load, but this leaves the=20 Class D half-bridge and Class E configurations, which are single-ended. Using the text-book formulae for Pout of an ideal circuit with 330V DC=20 input and 50R load gives about 1.2kW for an "optimum" Class E, and 440W fo= r=20 the half-bridge Class D. The class E circuit is perhaps simpler, at least= on=20 paper, and has attractive output power, but further calculations show that= a=20 switching device handling peak voltage 1200V and peak current about 10.5A= is=20 required, which would be a problem. We could re-design the class D stage= to=20 produce 1.2kW by reducing the load impedance to 18.4ohm, which could be=20 achieved using an LC matching network, if transformers must be avoided. Th= en=20 the peak current and voltage in the two switching devices would be 330V ,= =20 11.4A, which is a relatively easy requirement. So for this kind of power= =20 level, and off-line DC supply, the class D design is probably more practic= al=20 . With current switching transistor technology, the 1200V peak voltage is= =20 the problem for any class E off-line design; but in the future it might no= t=20 be, since there seems to be a lot of interest in developing high speed, hi= gh=20 voltage switches based on GaN, SiC semiconductors at the moment. But, in the off-line TX, another important reason to have an output=20 transformer is to isolate the output RF ground and antenna system from the= =20 mains supply, partly for safety - but with a full-wave rectifier, the "0V"= =20 DC terminal, and so the RF ground of the output stage, is not at ground=20 potential anyway. The same also applies to the gate drive input side. So,= if=20 you don't have a suitable DC PSU, an off-line directly rectified supply is= =20 attractive, but it will probably need RF transformers! In any case, an=20 output transformer does give a lot more flexibility in the design. 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------=_NextPart_000_0024_01CA75CF.3FDCB770-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc12.mx.aol.com (rly-mc12.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.96]) by air-mc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC081-dab4b31f519175; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:46:55 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC123-dab4b31f519175; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:46:51 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNOif-0003zv-Mn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:45:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNOif-0003zm-C4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:45:29 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNOid-0004aN-H1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:45:29 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4049F4C8160 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 11:45:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 555DF4C814E for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 11:45:21 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B31F4C1.5020904@online.fr> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 11:45:21 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <035375487725449FBCB051DF5928E886@ns94d01ae4d850> <4B31DA34.1050805@online.fr> <57a24ca70912230204p2cc823f7q9985346ab292ba36@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70912230204p2cc823f7q9985346ab292ba36@mail.gmail.com> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: LF T/A [137kHz] XGJ last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Re! Warren Ziegler a =E9crit : > Hi Jean-Pierre, > > WD2XGJ began transmission quite late, after 04:00 UTC. > =20 The first hour , the signal was with not very visible , after ( 05:00 > 08:00 ) very good signal in spite of the low power! > Please do not compare the propagation as WD2XGJ is using the low power > (220 Watts output) transmitter last night and for the next few days - > this is approximately 9dB below the usual power! > > Joyeux No=EBl ! > =20 Also to you ! J-P f1afj From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (rly-mc03.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.87]) by air-mc06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC064-d644b20c4aa1b3; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:51:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC034-d644b20c4aa1b3; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:51:39 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIffR-0000nn-Px for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:50:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIffR-0000ne-Es for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:50:37 +0000 Received: from thsmsgxrt12p.thalesgroup.com ([192.54.144.135]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIffQ-0001aH-RH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:50:37 +0000 Received: from thsmsgirt26p.corp.thales (unknown [10.33.231.4]) by thsmsgxrt12p.thalesgroup.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E067F41D316 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:50:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from thsmsgiav11p.corp.thales (10.33.231.31) by thsmsgirt26p.corp.thales (8.5.103) id 4B0E9923001DA590 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:50:30 +0100 Received: from (unknown [10.33.231.2]) by thsmsgiav11p.corp.thales with smtp id 31cd_973c_7404c1ac_e571_11de_8e65_001143d32df6; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:50:30 +0100 Received: from nodalthc.clb.tcfr.thales (unknown [10.33.8.65]) by thsmsgirt12p.corp.thales (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1217391BCB for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:50:30 +0100 (CET) Received: by nodalthc.clb.tcfr.thales with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:50:30 +0100 Message-ID: From: Jean-Louis.RAULT@fr.thalesgroup.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:50:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: FW: LF: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Andy I would say "LF is considered to be one of the last bastions" ... For example, amateur laser communications have also something to do with real homebrew and experimentation :o) Jean-Louis F6AGR ________________________________ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 8:18 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: TX-2200A LF was alwatys considered to be the last bastion of real homebrew and experiimentation. Rant over. Andy From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma05.mx.aol.com (rly-ma05.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.49]) by air-ma01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA012-8a94b1c5ea7ea; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:47:34 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA053-8a94b1c5ea7ea; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:47:21 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHSfm-00074R-6d for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 01:45:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHSfl-00074I-Bc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 01:45:57 +0000 Received: from mcgi35.rambler.ru ([81.19.67.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHSfk-0001Em-Di for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 01:45:57 +0000 Received: from mcgi35.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mcgi35.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B55F1703D for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 04:45:52 +0300 (MSK) Received: from [81.195.14.89] by mcgi35.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Mon, 07 Dec 2009 04:45:51 +0300 From: Roman RW3ADB To: Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 04:45:51 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <1457510504@web.de> Message-Id: <449907310.1260150351.159619436.9931@mcgi35.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (untone), http://mail.rambler.ru X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 in QRSS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Horst, LF! Remember about your info and look=20 http://www.doese-apprt.de/pfbday/nobel.html today again. I can see that info: >>From 9th December 2009 23:00 until 10th December 2009 01:00 UTC the=20 transmitter is available for 2 hours in telegraphy. It will be possible more exact about that? It will be from 9 to 10 or from 10 to 11? What is true? * Horst St=C3=B6cker [Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:52:11=20 +0100]: > Hello, > > despite some of you might have heard about the following news, I was > very surprised and I am looking forward to this event: > > DDH47 147.3 khz in QRSS 3 > > In Honor of Nobelprize Winner Marconi and Prof. Ferdinand Braun a > special transmission will be Date: > > 10. Dec 2009 Time: Start 2300 UTC > > Frequ. 147,3 kc Mode: > > QRSS 3 > > PWR: 20 kW > > The weather forcast transmitter Pinneberg DDH47 will stop RTTY ( 50=20 Bd) > transmission in between 10. Dec 2300h UTC and 11. Dec 001 UTC In this > timegap, the TX will be used for a special event transmission. Short > words in QRRS 3 will be transmitted. After the transmission You may > confirm the receiving at a shortwave frequency or via Internet ( QRG=20 and > adress will be given later) You may check propagation every day /=20 night > at 147,3 Kc DDH47, because the TX is working 24 Hours > > vy73 Horst DO1KHS > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Neu: WEB.DE DSL bis 50.000 kBit/s und 200,- Euro Startguthaben! > http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ > > -- Roman RW3ADB. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd10.mx.aol.com (rly-dd10.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.157]) by air-dd03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD032-ba14b20c67b375; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:59:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD103-ba14b20c67b375; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:59:24 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIfmR-0000uV-4M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:57:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIfmQ-0000uM-8v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:57:50 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate05.web.de ([217.72.192.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIfmO-0001eL-KM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:57:50 +0000 Received: from web.de by fmmailgate05.web.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 10A275CE4C9C for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:57:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from [217.125.84.109] by freemailng6505.web.de with HTTP; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:57:39 +0100 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:57:39 +0100 Message-Id: <990131732@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: di2am@web.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-Provags-Id: V01U2FsdGVkX19ehQQDHyDtKs45YMMeRx9I+C3V5PXfC7D+bYj1N7P02PEys aKNzCGtuBGjXDLTNFWetp3lLtNk/wD5QTzkD9cyZEddiMtVz2A= X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 147.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Goog morning, armchair copy here in IL27FS (southern tip of Gran Canaria) by Perseus / hb active antenna and netbook. Even man made noise in holiday ressort could not affect reception by ears. 73 Joerg, DL3NRV (who used to be a longtime customer of ddh47 in the north atlantic waters in a "former life") From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD104-91a4b224d6812a; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:47:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD082-91a4b224d6812a; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:47:22 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ5pK-0007WD-LF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:46:34 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ5pK-0007W2-5K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:46:34 +0000 Received: from pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.83]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ5pI-0000Cm-1i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:46:34 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (81.235.167.68) by pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (7.3.140.3) (authenticated as u33233109) id 4A7285AE00F003E2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:46:26 +0100 Message-ID: <4B224D31.5070109@telia.com> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:46:25 +0100 From: "Johan H. Bodin" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC15@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC15@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: AW: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Stefan, yes, I meant the BW of each Argo pixel. Unless there is QRM strong enough to cause overload, or intermodulation in badly designed audio circuits, there is no need to use a narrow filter in the radio. Argo works equally well with a 2..3kHz wide SSB setting on the radio. For example, if Argo is set to QRSS3, the resolution bandwidth (actually the effective receiver BW) is about 0.3Hz (!), no matter which filter you have selected in the radio. Argo in QRSS3 mode can be thought of as 256 parallel CW receivers operating simultaneously, each receiver having a 0.3Hz CW filter and the tuning difference is 0.3Hz btween adjacent receivers :-) 73 Johan SM6LKM Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > Thanks Johan for the qualified answer! > With the receiver bandwidth, do you mean the bandwidth of e.g. the argo= programm or of the real receiver, say the ic706? > I use a K2 with a bandwidth of 50Hz (not very sharp edges), which is rel= atively norrow compared to the most standard CW filters in standard HF-TRX= s. Since I can=B4t reduce it even more and the others as well, it would be= no advantage to reduce the speed. So I think you mean the bandwidth of e.= g. argo? Right? > Tnx!=20 > Stefan/DK7FC =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg06.mx.aol.com (rly-dg06.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.90]) by air-dg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG024-5ce4b19088012a; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 08:03:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG061-5ce4b19088012a; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 08:02:57 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGXnO-0006kX-FF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:02:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGXnN-0006kO-Us for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:02:01 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGXnM-0004GW-GY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:02:01 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nB4D1vRl002148 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:01:57 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:01:59 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:01:58 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB3E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <20091204082113.A275F31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: AW: [Fwd: Extra transmission with SAQ Dec 10 2009] Thread-Index: Acp0u1rPAGcNDuTGSSu7cfOACu+G0AAJXlNQ From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.604;03.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.4.124818 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA74E1.F6B7EA53" Subject: AW: LF: AW: [Fwd: Extra transmission with SAQ Dec 10 2009] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA74E1.F6B7EA53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rik! =20 Glad to meet you here. Congrats to your websites! I've often taken a benef= it from it!! =20 I don't know abt "von". (Is that question meant true? :-) ). It's not soo= important but the "brown" instead of "braun" seemed strange for me ;-) =20 Hpe to cu on the band! Are you still active on 137? I have never seen you= there... =20 73, Stefan/DK7FC =20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------- Dipl.-Ing. Stefan Sch=E4fer FG Hochspannungstechnik / High Voltage Laboratories TU Darmstadt Landgraf-Georg-Str. 4 D-64283 Darmstadt, Germany Telefon: +49 6151 16 4495 Fax: +49 6151 16 2329 http://www.hst.tu-darmstadt.de =20 =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Dezember 2009 09:21 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: AW: [Fwd: Extra transmission with SAQ Dec 10 2009] =20 Stefan, isn't the correct name Karl Ferdinand von Braun ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 08:45 4/12/2009, you wrote: I'm sorry but I didn't do the spelling - I simply forwarded the message=20 I got from SAQ. 73 Johan SM6LKM Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > The german physicist is called Karl Ferdinand Braun=20 > ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Ferdinand_Braun )! >> The reason for the extra transmission is a centenary commemoration of= =20 >> the Nobel Prize given to Guglielmo Marconi and Karl Ferdinand Brown. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA74E1.F6B7EA53 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Rik!=

 <= /p>

Glad to= meet you here. Congrats to your websites! I’ve often taken a benefit from it!!=

 

I don= 217;t know abt „von“. (Is that question meant true? J ). It’s not soo important but the “brown” instead of “braun” seeme= d strange for me ;-)

 

Hpe to= cu on the band! Are you still active on 137? I have never seen you there…

 

73, Stef= an/DK7FC

 

 

 -------------------------------------------------------------= ---------------------
= Dipl.-Ing. Stefan Sch=E4fer

FG Hochspannungstechnik / High Voltage Labor= atories
TU Darmstadt
Landgraf-Georg-Str.= 4
D-64283 Darmstadt, Ge= rmany
Telefon: +49 6151 16= 4495

Fax: +49 6151 16 2329

http://www.hst.tu-darmstadt.de

 <= /p>

-----Urspr=FCngl= iche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org] Im Auftrag von Rik St= robbe
Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Dezem= ber 2009 09:21
An: rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org
Betreff: Re: LF: AW: [Fwd:= Extra transmission with SAQ Dec 10 2009]

 

Stefan,

isn't the correct name Karl Ferdinand von Braun ?

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 08:45 4/12/2009, you wrote:

I'm sorry but I didn't= do the spelling - I simply forwarded the message
I got from SAQ.
73 Johan SM6LKM

Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote:
> The german physicist is called Karl Ferdinand Braun
> ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Ferdinand_Braun )!

>> The reason for the extra transmission is a centenary commemoratio= n of
>> the Nobel Prize given to Guglielmo Marconi and Karl Ferdinand Bro= wn.

------_=_NextPart_001_01CA74E1.F6B7EA53-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df02.mx.aol.com (rly-df02.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.15]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF042-52f4b20b2fb114; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 03:36:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF022-52f4b20b2fb114; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 03:36:12 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIeUS-0000TN-Jn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:35:12 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIeUR-0000TE-DM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:35:11 +0000 Received: from msa-k1.u-netsurf.ne.jp ([202.233.11.14]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp>) id 1NIeUO-0006em-0x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:35:11 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.5] (d25.HkanagawaFL59.vectant.ne.jp [122.103.154.25]) by msa-k1.u-netsurf.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E917334BDE for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:35:04 +0900 (JST) From: Rick Wakatori <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4B207E60.5030104@telus.net> References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <4B207E60.5030104@telus.net> Organization: RLL Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:35:04 +0900 Message-Id: <1260434104.6353.26.camel@vaio3rd> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Warren and Scott; In addition to the advertisement in http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf; There is 1Hz frequency dial option in Japanese market model. The option price is about USD 80 in factory installation base. The standard TX2200A can not be used with 10Hz dial in QRSS. I have try to use TX2200A with 1Hz option for the trans Bohai bay between Chaina and Japan these days. I think about 50 units were sold, but not used yet for trans pacific so far. I beleave that the early experiments were done by all homebrew equipments in JP. 73 -- -.. . --... .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-. 7L1RLL under ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP) URL=http://www1.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html -..--- -.- .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-... ...-. On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 04:51 +0000, Scott Tilley wrote: > I think this is the rig used by some of the early JAs that tried the > trans pacific path this fall. Saw something like it on a JA website. > > 73 Scott > > > Warren Ziegler wrote: > > Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 > > Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver > > muting. > > Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! > > > > http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf > > > > > > > > 73 Warren K2ORS > > WD2XGJ > > WD2XSH/23 > > WE2XEB/2 > > WE2XGR/1 > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.18]) by air-di01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI011-eab64b3722c4347; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 04:03:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9ACB9380000EF; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 04:02:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOp0K-0001Nv-2R for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 09:01:36 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOp0J-0001Nm-4A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 09:01:35 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOp0G-0005kd-Ty for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 09:01:35 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 27 Dec 2009 09:01:25 -0000 Received: from p5DD35F1A.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.211.95.26] by mail.gmx.net (mp023) with SMTP; 27 Dec 2009 10:01:25 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+STSghSKWSnc4lvBWLwAs254D5hXfxvsrjkCXsNF 4/0pwRPEx5I00y Message-ID: <007601ca86d3$2b3670d0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <20091226.144128.11516.4.cw4ever4@juno.com> Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:01:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.48,0.47 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beacon & WSPR 2.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0072_01CA86DB.87C03180" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60124b3722c30a62 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01CA86DB.87C03180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hallo Werner, genau die zitierte Passage aus dem untenstehen Txt traf bei mir ein paar Mal auch zu. >It takes two, 2 minute transmissions to send >the full call, grid, and power. You may see decodes that look like > <...> followed by the grid and/or power. WSPR has not decoded the call >yet but only the second part of the complete message. With a marginal >signal and fades, this may be all you will get. I don't know how long it >stores the second half (or the first half) of the message to splice it 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert H Reif To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 8:41 PM Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beacon & WSPR 2.0 Hello, Graham, Rik, and All, Joe K1JT was kind enough to modify the WSPR program to accommodate our long calls with the /. It takes two, 2 minute transmissions to send the full call, grid, and power. You may see decodes that look like <...> followed by the grid and/or power. WSPR has not decoded the call yet but only the second part of the complete message. With a marginal signal and fades, this may be all you will get. I don't know how long it stores the second half (or the first half) of the message to splice it together. Joe also added the CW ID feature to version 2.0 which is required by our experimental license. He has been very supportive of our 600 meter efforts. The set up here is 100 watts to a wire, 35 ft inverted L with two top loading wires each about 100 ft long. I am really surprised (and pleased) to get across with this setup. I am inland from the coast and the path to Eu is over land till the path goes over salt water off the coast of New Brunswick, Canada. Want to raise the antenna a bit more and increase the top loading but that may not happen till spring now. 73 and Happy New Year. Bob WD2XSH/37 FN42fo On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:34:15 +0100 Rik Strobbe writes: > Graham, Rick, Bob, > > I guess that when the CW id of a WSPR station is audible there > should > be solid copy in WSPR. > But, as mentioned by Bob, WSPR 2.0 was used to transmit the unusual > > WD2XSH/37 callsign. I noticed that older version of WSPR do not copy > > this properly, even when the signal is strong. > I have been running WSPR2 and WSPR1.1 simultaniously for some days > > (the first spotting as ON7YD the other as OR7T) and noticed that > WD2XSH/37 produced all kinds of odd messages with WSPR1.1. WSPR2 > decodes OK. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting Graham : > > > Rick, > > > > Looks like wd2x .. was the station .. you can check what > stations are > > operating at : http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/spots > > > > 2009-12-24 03:38 WD2XSH/37 0.503912 -26 0 FN42fo 2 > ON7YD > > JO20ix 5615 52 > > > > G.. > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Rick Wakatori" <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> > > Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 10:39 AM > > To: > > Subject: LF: "WA" beacon received at 503kHz. > > > >> > >> Using WSPR, I heard "WA" beacon in CW or QRSS at around 503kHz. > >> The signal was visible on the screen during last night. > >> Please let me know the callsign and the QTH? > >> Rick > >> -- > >> -.. . --... .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-. > >> 7L1RLL under ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP) > >> URL=http://www1.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html > >> -..--- -.- .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-... ...-. > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=yi9iW2lTPi_FlJuAPbZNdQAAJ1D5rfaR-77IPsUFbn2LcZ2XAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. 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Hallo Werner,
 
genau die zitierte Passage aus dem un= tenstehen Txt=20 traf bei mir
ein paar  Mal auch zu.
 
 >It takes two, 2 minute transmissions to send
>the= full=20 call, grid, and power.  You may see decodes  that look=20 like
>  <...> followed by the grid and/or power. = ; WSPR has=20 not decoded the call
>yet but only the second part of the comple= te=20 message. With a marginal
>signal and fades, this may be all you= will=20 get.  I don't know how long it
>stores the second half (or= the first=20 half) of the message to splice it
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rober= t H Reif=20
Sent: Saturday, December 26,= 2009 8:41=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beacon= & WSPR=20 2.0

Hello, Graham, Rik, and=20 All,
       Joe K1JT was kind enoug= h to=20 modify the WSPR program to accommodate
our long calls with the /.=   It=20 takes two, 2 minute transmissions to send
the full call, grid, an= d=20 power.  You may see decodes  that look like
<...>= followed=20 by the grid and/or power.  WSPR has not decoded the call
yet= but only=20 the second part of the complete message. With a marginal
signal= and fades,=20 this may be all you will get.  I don't know how long it
stor= es the=20 second half (or the first half) of the message to splice it
toget= her. =20 Joe also added the  CW ID feature to version 2.0 which is
re= quired by=20 our experimental license.  He has been very supportive of our600=20 meter efforts. 
     The set up here is= 100 watts=20 to a  wire, 35 ft inverted L with two
top loading wires each= about 100=20 ft  long.  I am really surprised (and
pleased) to get= across with=20 this setup.  I am inland from the coast and
the path to Eu= is over=20 land till the path goes over salt water off the
coast of New Brun= swick,=20 Canada.  Want to raise the antenna a bit more and
increase= the top=20 loading but that may not happen till spring now. =20
     73 and Happy New Year.  Bob = =20 WD2XSH/37  FN42fo



On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:34:15= +0100 Rik=20 Strobbe
<Ri= k.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>=20 writes:
> Graham, Rick, Bob,
>
> I guess that whe= n the CW=20 id of a WSPR station is audible there
> should 
>= be solid=20 copy in WSPR.
> But, as mentioned by Bob, WSPR 2.0 was used to= transmit=20 the unusual 
>
> WD2XSH/37 callsign. I noticed th= at older=20 version of WSPR do not copy
> 
> this properly,= even when=20 the signal is strong.
> I have been running WSPR2 and WSPR1.1= =20 simultaniously for some days 
>
> (the first spot= ting as=20 ON7YD the other as OR7T) and noticed that 
> WD2XSH/37= produced=20 all kinds of odd messages with WSPR1.1. WSPR2 
> decodes= =20 OK.
>
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>
> Quo= ting=20 Graham <g8fzk@g8fz= k.fsnet.co.uk>:
>=20
> > Rick,
> >
> > Looks like  wd2x= =20 ..   was the  station .. you  can  check wh= at=20
> stations are
> > operating at :  http://wsprnet.org/drupal= /wsprnet/spots
>=20 >
> > 2009-12-24 03:38   WD2XSH/37  = =20 0.503912   -26   0   FN42fo  = ;=20 2  
> ON7YD
> > JO20ix   5615&nb= sp; =20 52
> >
> > G..
> >
> >=20 --------------------------------------------------
> > From= : "Rick=20 Wakatori" <7l1rl= l@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp>
>=20 > Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 10:39 AM
> > To: <= ;rsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep.org>
>=20 > Subject: LF: "WA" beacon received at 503kHz.
> >
&g= t;=20 >>
> >> Using WSPR, I heard "WA" beacon in CW or= QRSS at=20 around 503kHz.
> >> The signal was visible on the screen= during=20 last night.
> >> Please let me know the callsign and the= =20 QTH?
> >> Rick
> >> --
> >> -..= . =20 --...  .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-.
> >> 7L1RLL= under=20 ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP)
> >>=20 URL=3Dhttp://www1.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html
> >>= ; -..--- -.-=20 .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-... ...-.
> >>
> >>= ;
>=20 >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>=
>=20
>
>
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------=_NextPart_000_0072_01CA86DB.87C03180-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.215]) by air-db07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB072-86214b3689f5ee; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:11:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1C126380000B6; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:11:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOepX-0007aH-Oa for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 22:09:47 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOepX-0007a8-93 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 22:09:47 +0000 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOepV-00009e-5H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 22:09:47 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiIWANIXNktOkWQC/2dsb2JhbACCH4YuAYs7wSOEMwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,457,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="383903091" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.145.100.2]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 26 Dec 2009 22:09:22 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 22:09:21 -0000 Message-ID: <000801ca8678$1413f450$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <007b01ca8670$45893700$0217aac0@desktop> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: RE: G7NKS running WSPR on 137.65 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA8678.1413F450" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d74b3689f446f6 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA8678.1413F450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Wspr 137 now qrt and back on 500 Nothing seen. Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.119/2586 - Release Date: 12/25/09 09:33:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA8678.1413F450 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>Wspr 137 now qrt and back on 500=

 

Nothing seen.

 

Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng

No virus found in this incoming messa= ge.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.119/2586 - Release Date: 12/= 25/09 09:33:00

------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA8678.1413F450-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (rly-mb03.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.161]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB054-cf84b2d4b19134; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:52:43 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB034-cf84b2d4b19134; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:52:27 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NM78q-0003d7-TU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:47:12 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NM78q-0003cy-Hv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:47:12 +0000 Received: from warsl404pip5.highway.telekom.at ([195.3.96.77] helo=email.aon.at) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NM7Cx-0006vk-Uq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:51:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 7609 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2009 21:51:19 -0000 Received: from 188-23-64-100.adsl.highway.telekom.at (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([188.23.64.100]) (envelope-sender ) by smarthub98.highway.telekom.at (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 19 Dec 2009 21:51:19 -0000 From: Gerhard Hickl To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:51:19 +0100 Message-ID: <1261259479.2447.5.camel@gerhard-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Beaconing Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello group! I'm going to transmit a beacon for several hours this night. Text is "H" on 136.318, speed is QRSS90. Ossi, OE5ODL is transmitting his "5" a few cps above. We both use roughly 50W antenna input. The purpose is to compare the antennas as well as the propagation conditions for two stations located relatively close, especially regarding QSB. Reports are very welcome. Cheers and 73 OE3GHB Gerhard From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db08.mx.aol.com (rly-db08.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.83]) by air-db03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB032-ae14b28005cce; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:32:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB087-ae14b28005cce; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:32:14 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKexJ-00029E-Vi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:29:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKexJ-000295-JA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:29:17 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKeyr-0008WV-Dh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:30:54 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.2]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091215213107.VPIM27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:31:07 +0000 Received: from [82.26.120.108] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKez4-0007VH-Ke for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:31:07 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:31:02 -0000 Message-ID: <04ca01ca7dcd$e71410a0$0417aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: Acp9zeayNskmqfUrRk6Bua0bP04LGg== X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=17Ai-lzK2S0A:10 a=8RloEfZUAAAA:8 a=BUo__w9vSXB2XSb1644A:9 a=X8ZMcagTHzdlDBlahqEA:7 a=uBuW34I5NbXIjvrFG_dwLxs8LhAA:4 a=O58u2wXj750A:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=pt9W6ojbTBExa7VuFHYA:9 a=WGI23qs6zF2YiUeL3VoA:7 a=PMd_2L3mZSbRg4IR1_hmvqTHaQwA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: G7NKS running RTTY beacon on 501.5 until midnight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_04CB_01CA7DCD.E71410A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_04CB_01CA7DCD.E71410A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear LF, I am running a RTTY beacon on 501.5KHz on 10 min cycles from now until at least midnight Thanks for any reports Jim G7NKS p.s. Gus' CW beacon is 579 with me in IO92UB tonight, lovely sigs E james.cowburn@virgin.net ------=_NextPart_000_04CB_01CA7DCD.E71410A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear LF,

 

I am running a RTTY beacon on 501.5KHz= on 10 min cycles from now until at least midnight

 

Thanks for any reports

 

Jim G7NKS

 

p.s. Gus’ CW beacon is 579 with= me in IO92UB tonight, lovely sigs

 

E james.cowburn@virgin.net

 

 

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Hi Warren,LF
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(rly-ma07.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.51]) by air-ma07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA073-8be4b23efa8280; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:31:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA078-8be4b23efa8280; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:31:54 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJXfy-000341-RK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:30:46 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJXfy-00033s-F8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:30:46 +0000 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJXg3-0001LU-OS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:30:54 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq8EAMt9I0tZ8eex/2dsb2JhbACOCwbFXIQrBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,388,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="185841057" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.241.231.177]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2009 19:30:46 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01ca7b61$96bd6840$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:30:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 137.7 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7B61.967A92E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7B61.967A92E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HB9ASB and OE3GHB going strong on 137.7 kcs at present. I have worked both before therefore I am not calling. Looking out for= DX MAL/G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7B61.967A92E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
HB9ASB and OE3GHB  going st= rong on 137.7=20 kcs at present.
I have worked both before therefore= I am not=20 calling. Looking out for DX
MAL/G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7B61.967A92E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.73]) by air-di05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI054-eac94b25459d38b; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:50:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AFDF138000054; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:50:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJuRf-0008NV-9m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:49:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJuRe-0008NL-TK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:49:30 +0000 Received: from mailout08.t-online.de ([194.25.134.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJuSC-000681-V7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:50:07 +0000 Received: from fwd05.aul.t-online.de by mailout08.t-online.de with smtp id 1NJuDd-0000bW-01; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:35:01 +0100 Received: from e7010 (Sg1shkZQ8hQBsGP24klQWGC6gOu-wpfBQ6ws2ztKJQ2NfkYgPHX-D0bX1QYffVEw39@[84.147.189.25]) by fwd05.aul.t-online.de with smtp id 1NJuDQ-21E7to0; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:34:48 +0100 Message-ID: <004301ca7c2b$548746b0$6402a8c0@e7010> From: "Walter und Marianne Staubach" To: References: <981195.94143.qm@web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:34:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-ID: Sg1shkZQ8hQBsGP24klQWGC6gOu-wpfBQ6ws2ztKJQ2NfkYgPHX-D0bX1QYffVEw39 X-TOI-MSGID: 12cfccbc-3806-4a5e-8eff-1a86801f1419 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG QRO QRSS3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40494b25459c00d4 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Andy, yes, it is still 505.090KHz. 73 Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy - KU4XR" To: Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 8:30 PM Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG QRO QRSS3 Walter: Is your frequency still 505.090 KHz ?? Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29866 KHz ( QRSS-60 ) Coordinates: N: 35* 43' 54" - W: 84* 3' 16" http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr http://webpages.charter.net/ku4xr/ --- On Sun, 12/13/09, Walter und Marianne Staubach wrote: > From: Walter und Marianne Staubach > Subject: LF: DI2AG QRO QRSS3 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 12:39 PM > > > > > > > > Dear MF, > DI2AG is > > now transmitting in QRSS3 with more power - 2W ERP > instead of 0.4W ERP. > Please your reports via wum.staubach@t-online.de > or dj2lf@darc.de > > The machine will run until > tomorrow 7UTC - if she > does the job. > Thanks and 73 > Walter DI2AG / > DJ2LF > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db10.mx.aol.com (rly-db10.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.85]) by air-db08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB082-af24b1d9b9630e; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 19:19:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB108-af24b1d9b9630e; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 19:19:36 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHnmT-0004Da-K2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 00:18:17 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHnmT-0004DR-3m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 00:18:17 +0000 Received: from web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.130]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHnmR-0003EB-0d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 00:18:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 98726 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Dec 2009 00:18:09 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1260231489; bh=ULtw6DdDg4vY7M00JMEkyISKF7oPPYH6p7FsMp/SsU8=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=AYHXCMie23UPt0vToQBntsIk/qmJijx3y5SnBaGKVRcDKF95lu88f1pmgCfj8eiNNwwzlKdMYx/ZwtQPwc8d0UmH/T27AuU0Cxu0rwwPPOfgauFulQ8qw7fwR3JSjhriAOGAgWNwoIt8jX4rHN2it55tSxccPNsR/sRv2k9vd5E= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=q8J/LtB73/ARg1FFxpMg9OxUd3oY1HH7mg7FYYI2hvhiVgDABA9bWilFaGpdwOiM53Tt5MSsYQyS+Ki5EZkR54uZxiWOVrS9dlbrtNnX3wANOvvA36mkyGBlWzoYTnFO5plX7CR2VSwXoWOWUdLzm8f0HqqOtgga6iIwNFM6eO8=; Message-ID: <702134.97980.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: .zkhFVAVM1nWNWQKwgiiDh3NKVlBK2jmNWKo0y.lbUtu468zbuG1BxioEC6uq0chYk.DDohcHOgj8ttbu7AcccRcOWyhzHo4QQHzomdg8GwFotDrfc5Bl31iL1Mi.CxmZQ1A_QHCQybIiwT26zrx1YD5xDV2H1NGYhRBWiUuCAZ_zIjCfNLoMeVi_CgWxgOaj92G3hY9roPQ6KZLbZCmtB_OuBqWy7MD_5hufNQHIe6k3abIsibQmJt.ofOYTVkaBY6ZDbcw0SUF4ZefTk7woX_vHP8iNYZ.wZksl5G9nz85lcMe6q08C9xnljsXfEba6sMrlbIkRdspZzQpwfxZK7bMFquNuN9mvrs- Received: from [81.131.7.186] by web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 00:18:09 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 00:18:09 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Broadcast audio splatter on 136kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d299.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass Hi Jacek, do you have experience of this effect at LF?? It is well known= at HF/VHF where it is more likely that metalwork will be near resonant le= ngths, and stations causing the problem are close to hand. You need a sign= ificant induced current (hence the need for near resonance) to radiate a= strong enough signal from an inefficient mixer like that.=20 It is obviously a contender but I tend to question anyone who may be "extr= apolating HF ideas" into this part of the spectrum for practical examples,= because otherwise this is how the "urban myths" arise. After 15 years of= interest in LF I have never come across a case that I could be sure was= that particular cause but I do not live close to very high power stations= .....I have BBC World service Orfordness is about 25 km away (1296kHz and= 646kHz I believe) 250kW and I have a local MW BC station (1250ish) runnin= g about 1kW about 2km away. The effects I have heard have aways come down= to ICM. and have never involved those local frequencies. Markus DF6NM has done considerable investigation on similar things and in= general I think he finds the problems like this emanate from the transmit= ter site so are generally head over a wider area independent of direction. Best Wishes Alan G3NYK --- On Mon, 7/12/09, Jacek Lipkowski wrote: > From: Jacek Lipkowski > Subject: Re: LF: Broadcast audio splatter on 136kHz > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Monday, 7 December, 2009, 21:09 > On Mon, 7 Dec 2009, Paul-Henrik > wrote: >=20 > > [...] Luxembourg effect, transmitter IMD or just me > missing the point? >=20 > maybe just mixing by some rusty junction? (long rusty fence > or something similar) does the imd vary when the weather is > dry, and suddenly rain falls? >=20 > jacek >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da02.mx.aol.com (rly-da02.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.76]) by air-da04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA042-a574b24c06c326; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 05:22:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA027-a574b24c06c326; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 05:22:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJlZd-0001vK-1Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:21:09 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJlZc-0001vB-M0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:21:08 +0000 Received: from mx01.infotech.at ([213.174.240.1]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJla4-0002Ao-98 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:21:38 +0000 Received: from [213.174.228.201] by mx01.infotech.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJla1-0006Uw-KY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:21:34 +0100 Message-ID: <4B24C018.1020605@inext.at> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:21:12 +0100 From: Oberreiter Oswald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <286ACBB4A14E40BD9C16AFC9DBD0953B@ns94d01ae4d850> In-Reply-To: <286ACBB4A14E40BD9C16AFC9DBD0953B@ns94d01ae4d850> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AGC OE5 12-12.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) hallo henny thank you fer pic fore long time tx running , i transmit only the number 5 in qrss75 73 de ossy oe5odl henny van elst schrieb: > Capture Agc Oe5 > heny pa3cpm > 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > AGC OE5 12-12.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen > virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet > toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt > weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me02.mx.aol.com (rly-me02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.35]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME031-9a04b222361135; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:48:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME024-9a04b222361135; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:48:03 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ31g-0005WR-TO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:47:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ31g-0005WI-Do for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:47:08 +0000 Received: from mail-ew0-f223.google.com ([209.85.219.223]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ31f-0007Tk-CP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:47:08 +0000 Received: by ewy23 with SMTP id 23so865565ewy.4 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 02:47:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=PBnS+MUNQZoNlA4wfjdZG0iCqSUInaByz7irkNRz814=; b=b9m6DT/UGuMnYmVSdC6GATqu4+T283XFvOpy4GMjqhNNkqUG60TQ9QG5qdNtrJIlZv 22AH2Vcz1zRqA7A+OPimp18JZKdR6Q2gsGexMuLxEPo4+JkV7Z8uzAl6ZE9J/oOPV/UC KuXyelalGlCSxn+++jtjC1rYdg3PCR5uXEy0g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=x1Ycbs044lxd/B9By1XOovbVowABIzh8o7G4z9DkZ3fWxHS+rZYsF4wizeBu4urKtw hLZ4/2OuCuZv9pB1GJe091dj1E2BAWZSj9XpGUVCQehpfwxehqn/EvbjKiyqjVn6wn9H HSU0b+oCa2Q92AKZjdnAx52d7ml7SlZR/ODjI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.88.143 with SMTP id a15mr148374wef.206.1260478029919; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:47:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <150809.55455.qm@web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <150809.55455.qm@web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:47:09 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ad009aa7e37c770a Message-ID: From: John Gould To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24=0.881,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: Geneva and WRC-12 Agenda Items Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d6454e387689047a65e9c4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d230.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016e6d6454e387689047a65e9c4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Several of us on this reflector are actively involved in the preparatory work, both within the ITU-R and CEPT WRC preparation structures. We don't lack input from people experienced in these types of meetings, but we are seeking support from national societies particularly in those countries where Amateur activity is currently permitted around 500kHz. Thus, any encouragement that can be given to your national society to become engaged in the work would be really welcome. The way this can be done is for the HF Manager, or similar, of a national societies to join the Region 1 500kHz Working Group. Rik, ON7YD or I can supply further info if necessary. 73 John, G3WKL 2009/12/10 M0FMT > FYI ?? > > *"There is opposition to this proposal, primarily from the maritime > service via the International Maritime Organisation and this has led to > France presenting a paper under agenda item 1.10 that suggests a use for > the band 495-505 kHz using datamodes. This was in response to papers from > Canada and the UK that proposed a secondary amateur band between 493 and > 510(515) kHz. There appears to be no commercial or technical reasoning > behind this paper and it is suspected to be based on emotive grounds > only. Nevertheless agenda item 1.23 still requires a lot more support if > it is going to be successful."* > > 73 petefmt > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ > -- John, G3WKL --0016e6d6454e387689047a65e9c4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Several of us on this reflector are actively involved in the preparatory= work, both within the ITU-R and CEPT WRC preparation structures.=A0 We do= n't lack input from people experienced in these types of meetings, but= we are seeking support from national societies particularly in those coun= tries where Amateur activity is currently permitted around 500kHz.=A0 Thus= , any encouragement that can be given to your national society to become= engaged in the work would be really welcome.=A0=A0 The way this can be do= ne is for the HF Manager, or similar, of a national societies to join the= Region 1 500kHz Working Group.=A0 Rik, ON7YD or I can supply further info= if necessary.

73 John, G3WKL

2009/12/10 M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>

F= YI=A0 ??=20

"Th= ere is opposition to this proposal, primarily from the maritime service vi= a the International Maritime Organisation and this has led to France presenting a paper under agenda item 1.10 that= suggests a use for the band 495-505 kHz using datamodes.=A0=A0This was in= response to papers from Canada and the UK that proposed a secondary amate= ur band between 493 and 510(515) kHz.=A0=A0There appears to be no commerci= al or technical reasoning behind this paper and it is suspected to be base= d on emotive grounds only.=A0=A0Nevertheless agenda item 1.23 still requir= es a lot more support if it is going to be successful."= =20

73 petefmt




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John, G3WK= L
--0016e6d6454e387689047a65e9c4-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (rly-dd05.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.152]) by air-dd03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD031-b774b2b21f81af; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 01:32:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD051-b774b2b21f81af; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 01:32:25 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLWJX-0006au-0m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 06:27:47 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLWJW-0006al-Ix for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 06:27:46 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s22.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.33]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLWMf-00023y-8k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 06:31:06 +0000 Received: from BLU146-W8 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s22.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 17 Dec 2009 22:30:54 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [138.32.244.2] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:30:53 -0900 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1261105635.6365.7.camel@vaio3rd> References: ,<1261105635.6365.7.camel@vaio3rd> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2009 06:30:54.0010 (UTC) FILETIME=[A65369A0:01CA7FAB] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_d20216bb-a8ca-4331-a38d-90268f9bc6b3_" Subject: RE: LF: China QRT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_d20216bb-a8ca-4331-a38d-90268f9bc6b3_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Rick - give us some notice when your on again and will look from wh= atever home Im in! =20 Laurence KL 1X /AM =20 > From: 7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:07:15 +0900 > Subject: Re: LF: China QRT >=20 > Hi Laurence KL 1 X in BY3A > Thanks for your watching my weak signal in China. > I hope to see you in Alaska, Oklahoma or Dayton Hamvension some days > in a future. > Have a nice trip back to US. >=20 > On Wed, 2009-12-16 at 22:19 +0000, hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com wrote: > > Gents - just pulled the power from the receivers and they are being > > packed. All China snappers are now QRT. >=20 > --=20 > -.. . --... .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-. > 7L1RLL under ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP) > URL=3Dhttp://www1.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html > -..--- -.- .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-... ...-. >=20 >=20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/=3D --_d20216bb-a8ca-4331-a38d-90268f9bc6b3_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Rick - give us some notice when your on again and will look fr= om whatever home Im in!
 
Laurence KL 1X /AM
 
> From: 7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp
&g= t; To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:07:1= 5 +0900
> Subject: Re: LF: China QRT
>
> Hi Laurence KL= 1 X in BY3A
> Thanks for your watching my weak signal in China.
= > I hope to see you in Alaska, Oklahoma or Dayton Hamvension some days<= BR>> in a future.
> Have a nice trip back to US.
>
>= On Wed, 2009-12-16 at 22:19 +0000, hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com wrote:<= BR>> > Gents - just pulled the power from the receivers and they are= being
> > packed. All China snappers are now QRT.
>
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> -.. . --... .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-.
> 7L1RLL= under ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP)
> URL=3Dhttp://www1.u-nets= urf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html
> -..--- -.- .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-= ... ...-.
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Hotmail: Po= werful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. =3D --_d20216bb-a8ca-4331-a38d-90268f9bc6b3_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb12.mx.aol.com (rly-mb12.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.170]) by air-mb06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB064-d434b1946ea22; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:29:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB127-d434b1946ea22; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:29:16 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGbwl-0000Cl-JH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:27:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGbwl-0000Cc-4U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:27:59 +0000 Received: from smtp815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.244]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGbwk-0005pC-Ay for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:27:59 +0000 Received: (qmail 5235 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2009 17:27:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=WDAzB6ZPKmZ7tX/1ydXot7jWFcD76zgtXJugWs44nzTKAwuOec3dn4ECRdS8yo2vPYGVCf23wSKVGg95rk8DEFTwyhl9vpjsM3phi3pd6pFfdylgZGqmtFwdcJdoBHCtPQWI92ADLDYirpSMBs1LGccp34j3bej67B3ZnbEALME= ; Received: from unknown (HELO IBM7FFA209F07C) (c.ashby435@86.168.221.246 with login) by smtp815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 17:27:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9STUSnaswBBSd6nO_2gAC20jmYlWRjmg8d5iYd8s.rl181aR6Sw- X-YMail-OSG: MfpYFeoVM1nX6Dxeuut6_6PZHv3yl9Yx5.qOYAS6W_yK8LWRWeuCmxhk8RgZBrArbxT7NuCh2tAASrb4mvGFktWIVh725onFZ9yjzwourPKKeyzIYB92CpNuTuQL6ijePk0.dyu8fx9lR5YjKtTjVmdQ9zzdQPaPa1LwUQ_aGsRot2nogGe5Ggr89exeqRwvcPnQQmHDz6TVudiZIUOqyZLcQIyd5fMMnKl6gicpkJOF4iU- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "Chris" To: References: <000d01ca74fb$f884b360$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:27:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Whi is MCP? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA7507.1BAC0680" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.9 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA7507.1BAC0680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Mal, what I want to know is who was transmitting 'MCP' in QRSS= on approx. 136.518kHz this morning. Nobody seems to know. How are you= supposed to find out who these abbreviated callsigns are? Maybe there= should be/is a database somewhere?? Sri the 'Whi' in my subject should have been 'Who'. Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:08 PM Subject: LF: Re: Whi is MCP? Chris All the action every nite is around 137.7 on QRS 3 normally also DFC= W and some CW further down the band. Several stns active most nites, lately HB9, OE, OH, EW6, SP and RU= etc=20 If u want a QSO look in this area. I am also active especially if th= ere is DX about. mal/g3lev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chris=20 To: RSGB LF Group=20 Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:04 PM Subject: LF: Whi is MCP? Hi All, Can anyone tell me who was sending MCP on approx. 136.518kHz this= morning? Thanks. Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA7507.1BAC0680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Mal, what I want to know is wh= o was=20 transmitting 'MCP' in QRSS on approx. 136.518kHz this morning. Nobody= seems to=20 know. How are you supposed to find out who these abbreviated callsigns= are?=20 Maybe there should be/is a database somewhere??
Sri the 'Whi' in my subject should ha= ve been=20 'Who'.
Chris, G4AYT.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Friday, December 04, 20= 09 4:08=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Whi is MCP?<= /DIV>

Chris
All the action every nite is around= 137.7 on QRS=20 3 normally also DFCW and some CW further down the band.
Several stns active most nites, lat= ely HB9, OE,=20 OH,  EW6, SP and RU etc
If u want a QSO look in this area.= I am also=20 active especially if there is DX about.
mal/g3lev
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Chris
Sent: Friday, December 04,= 2009 2:04=20 PM
Subject: LF: Whi is MCP?

Hi All,
Can anyone tell me who was sendin= g MCP on=20 approx. 136.518kHz this morning? Thanks.
Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable,=20 Kent.
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA7507.1BAC0680-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df03.mx.aol.com (rly-df03.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.16]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF021-53f4b195810e2; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:42:47 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF038-53f4b195810e2; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:42:26 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGd5X-000178-SD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:41:07 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGd5X-00016z-7k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:41:07 +0000 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGd5W-0006hM-E6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:41:07 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: As8FANbmGEtcHd/x/2dsb2JhbACCJCyLTwbJAoQzBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,343,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="152911565" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.223.241]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Dec 2009 18:41:00 +0000 Message-ID: <002601ca7511$51262a70$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000d01ca74fb$f884b360$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 18:40:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Whi is MCP? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01CA7511.50F41DF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CA7511.50F41DF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No database, that encourages guesswork if you are in qso and only get= part of the call. You must get a realtime ID.=20 G3KEV =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chris=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 5:27 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Whi is MCP? Thanks Mal, what I want to know is who was transmitting 'MCP' in QRS= S on approx. 136.518kHz this morning. Nobody seems to know. How are yo= u supposed to find out who these abbreviated callsigns are? Maybe ther= e should be/is a database somewhere?? Sri the 'Whi' in my subject should have been 'Who'. Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:08 PM Subject: LF: Re: Whi is MCP? Chris All the action every nite is around 137.7 on QRS 3 normally also= DFCW and some CW further down the band. Several stns active most nites, lately HB9, OE, OH, EW6, SP and= RU etc=20 If u want a QSO look in this area. I am also active especially if= there is DX about. mal/g3lev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chris=20 To: RSGB LF Group=20 Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:04 PM Subject: LF: Whi is MCP? Hi All, Can anyone tell me who was sending MCP on approx. 136.518kHz thi= s morning? Thanks. Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CA7511.50F41DF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No database,  that encourages gu= esswork if you=20 are in qso and only get part of the call.
You must get a realtime ID. = ;
G3KEV
  
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Chris
Sent: Friday, December 04, 20= 09 5:27=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: Whi is= MCP?

Thanks Mal, what I want to know is= who was=20 transmitting 'MCP' in QRSS on approx. 136.518kHz this morning. Nobod= y seems to=20 know. How are you supposed to find out who these abbreviated callsig= ns are?=20 Maybe there should be/is a database somewhere??
Sri the 'Whi' in my subject should= have been=20 'Who'.
Chris, G4AYT.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Friday, December 04,= 2009 4:08=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Whi is MCP= ?

Chris
All the action every nite is arou= nd 137.7 on=20 QRS 3 normally also DFCW and some CW further down the band.=
Several stns active most nites,= lately HB9, OE,=20 OH,  EW6, SP and RU etc
If u want a QSO look in this area= . I am also=20 active especially if there is DX about.
mal/g3lev
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Chris
Sent: Friday, December 04= , 2009 2:04=20 PM
Subject: LF: Whi is MCP?<= /DIV>

Hi All,
Can anyone tell me who was send= ing MCP on=20 approx. 136.518kHz this morning? Thanks.
Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable,=20 Kent.
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CA7511.50F41DF0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma10.mx.aol.com (rly-ma10.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.54]) by air-ma05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA054-8cf4b1fda2e144; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:11:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA101-8cf4b1fda2e144; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:11:12 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIQ3D-0003Te-Q0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:10:07 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIQ3D-0003TV-3C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:10:07 +0000 Received: from n13a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.207.51]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIQ39-0001ZW-NE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:10:03 +0000 Received: from [68.142.200.221] by n13.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2009 17:09:55 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.66] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2009 17:09:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp418.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2009 17:09:55 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 421103.63817.bm@omp418.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 47012 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2009 17:09:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=lNV2NgBUhXdF0uQlFnD5T2GMlJzmHQ9iY0HOHC0gtloaqqkrrfrVrJQh9dQgOBDI0veKSIaJAbXSSvkIL2zcxgpbAx6ypZabZFkp/6U82pfiXMqDdRaBL9z+MV/a5COyuPyb0uW779re6ttUxbnW5w5vEdd0RvDVluls9ChOXj0= ; Received: from host86-168-83-155.range86-168.btcentralplus.com (ken.h.wright@86.168.83.155 with login) by smtp133.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 09 Dec 2009 09:09:54 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9Y6mUHuswBAgnrOsukIiNdFDf95uy_Dz34nY1hlg2liKgYD952sjbg-- X-YMail-OSG: EBVMKGEVM1n6XEoGXbVInjCQTNNhfsm_LJqYYehAQykXrlk3vWN0VlKDZP_6aJro_Fv0d3kfUrdQkngf3JwP38IOvMPaDSmZ2Oc99EYaQGV.dWFn5_JVY6TFg8F04ebCt3ScnOAad_oC003hftRTo2NB4dn._TBnPwCDANFl2H2TPsJ9EcncGJ_xz5CPbpNUu4VFJDQHU7X1LfmQ7msxBVXUC050FJJQTIxbDgdblsxax6mH6nGa_HybuSi0ldoWD8SlRDvYPnfhJnQkBag8vxNWtDUyxNW1VkrWTrMJk7sBQFr6fLyva_OmJcpvhjxmM0mi5_Hk4BYVM2HLrLTH5XqRgfu9Sr_hpA4BqOOMB0cYsmIIMBMCn_DFm1kVS7DLM6DnXNCROhDWTd3_tAAUJj4ArlGW72Gz X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <8B303A7ED38945AB81CCE7216314C304@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 17:09:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: Re: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 More appliance operators Mal? 73 Ken M0KHW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 3:30 PM Subject: LF: TX-2200A > Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 > Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver > muting. > Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! > > http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf > > > > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (rly-dc07.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.36]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC083-b334b31ed7ff4; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:14:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC077-b334b31ed7ff4; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:14:25 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNODl-0003oy-Fm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:13:33 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNODl-0003op-3a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:13:33 +0000 Received: from mail-gx0-f210.google.com ([209.85.217.210]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNODi-0001bY-TA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:13:33 +0000 Received: by gxk2 with SMTP id 2so6241977gxk.4 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 02:13:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=bhVMBviy8GtoIydnpQY69aFTJdhduIyJXftJBu5BDsY=; b=FNQu/HiSUBMHamSQgreLTg7DjW/tBTSnO1HO8320rU2ZTOOv1oYqmKVam7Rlon+/zl uartql9cZ37sTBkKNduWdjFuzKL5QDouWIFruDWosewN6VuAq+r2Cq8yP4ec/fOJ725P LLoZxgJCRD58moDbG9qYsgHGP+Ztup5m6NfZg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=UPZn4BqJX3L1vCG2cCeKDMC1qEhQ3C/MTFyK9K+ssxYBqdMr5TnVgkvIdgGCOe16Lo wX2eBhJtONEeAG1UVYs1/Du4xX3Dcjk74Di/Iw9okKq7F7WboQsTt+FL2Es7IQlSPRu7 zFbCd52q9dK+7/Jn5FD6eB9kedLfgEZIvfq8w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.169.6 with SMTP id r6mr15368782ybe.95.1261563203734; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 02:13:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7B024580C38B45A0A751D6E558E072C5@ns94d01ae4d850> References: <7B024580C38B45A0A751D6E558E072C5@ns94d01ae4d850> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:13:23 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca70912230213g87fc057h16a87ef2829c39a2@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 23-12.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m222.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Henny, Very good capture! WD2XGJ was running low power (about 9dB below normal)! 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2009/12/23 henny van elst : > Hello Warren,LF > Capture XGJ > Henny CPM > Best 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > XGJ 23-12.jpg From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df04.mx.aol.com (rly-df04.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.17]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF062-5494b254665341; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:54:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF048-5494b254665341; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:54:15 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJuUh-0000Dd-Of for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:52:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJuUh-0000DN-DA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:52:39 +0000 Received: from mx7.mail.ru ([94.100.176.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJuVG-0006Ag-Ap for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:53:16 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=27760 helo=EFREMOV) by mx7.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NJuVG-000PaG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:53:14 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <00f101ca7c2d$e0e13ab0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: References: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> <241919.87622.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9afca2640912130305r3acb5e5fs991caaa1115d2255@mail.gmail.com> <6E7638745A1B43168C402CDBB010C2A7@AGB> <00dc01ca7c2a$6c6e5080$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:52:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: "Y" beacon on 137.777 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 >>Hello Marco, >>This is RA3YO >> >>73 Andrey > > Hello Andrey, > > thanks for info. And, please, who is sending long groups of 5 lines, > 75 second each, on 137.775? OE5ODL > > 73 - Marco IK1ODO > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (rly-mb01.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.154]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB071-ce54b1fb611115; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:37:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB011-ce54b1fb611115; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:37:06 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NINe7-0002GQ-8y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:36:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NINe6-0002GH-Pd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:36:02 +0000 Received: from smtp832.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.13.167]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NINe6-0003OE-6A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:36:02 +0000 Received: (qmail 93792 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2009 14:35:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Importance:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=CZR/bFBdD0TKO8YCYMLi4cPHpzZm8au9s2/PgnzInJi8sm1yQ9TaXie71GvdtyduHFReekws0nUx6iFx6Rl5ik0mcZnhgVKUR8LJcKNpz42TG/UGsi+q01HTAMqFcQ5bg8xSxIUXCYcEEvZhvEXIp6O1YYoPcu3QI1xN5YmphNE= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Inspiron) (hudsonville@86.128.232.252 with login) by smtp832.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 14:35:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: T9P8HheswBCXVWXq3ajpBY99bVSvRxQZ2abOUyeQ53_fqQzzpx0V X-YMail-OSG: oy8CUpIVM1kkfvGwTdlm6Bad90p0LEvyloCs.rqkgBdj6Gc9xvuE0XMqZ62ba3TDsViHV5VK0zCQ6O4.4474xyNnutNcxPH8uEY8AQ5Hht.YudDHdD0YSlPSVgdf84mVwW9VNYUIyPNy0PxaJPZYCZxxJGCNeQN4ROqYHRHspWqmTMIRdUyjYtCC5OS1YSU_0gribP6V6SJFuKTPridrbDs8Dep6a9SEj3l4MU0RIFeL2w-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Lee Hudson" To: Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 14:35:55 -0000 Message-ID: <751EC252D1C34839BCABBF6A6C644CDE@Inspiron> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Acp43Op3Qgg7yfAlRFy2mtNj1knjZw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: SAQ Tests Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01CA78DC.EACB2300" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_60_70, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01CA78DC.EACB2300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi LF Group, =20 Must have improoved the setup here, SAQ 45dB above noise, and also see= ing the backwave 25dB above noise too. Interesting when they tuned back to 17.2kHz I noticed the signal gain= 5dB by just moving 35Hz or so. =20 Currently not seeing anything 14:34 but we may get another test yet! =20 73,=20 Lee=20 M0LMH. =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01CA78DC.EACB2300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Hi= LF=20 Group,
 
Must= have improoved=20 the setup here, SAQ 45dB above noise, and also seeing the backwave 25d= B above=20 noise too.
Inte= resting when=20 they tuned back to 17.2kHz I noticed the signal gain 5dB by just movin= g 35Hz or=20 so.
 
Curr= ently not seeing=20 anything 14:34 but we may get another test yet!
 
73,= =20
Lee= =20
M0L= MH.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01CA78DC.EACB2300-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc05.mx.aol.com (rly-mc05.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.89]) by air-mc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC074-d764b2f482a19d; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 05:04:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC056-d764b2f482a19d; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 05:04:28 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMf1w-0000eH-UL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:58:20 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMf1w-0000e8-HT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:58:20 +0000 Received: from mx30.mail.ru ([94.100.176.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMf6v-0001Sn-HV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:03:31 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=10565 helo=EFREMOV) by mx30.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NMf6p-00089Y-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:03:23 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <003201ca8224$ccdcb3d0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <346854e9698cbf94f4483c66682bb63b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <4B2CDA00.6080504@att.net> <200912201058160899.2B6A2E1A@smtp2.numeo.fr> <005301ca8167$ac452e30$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> <74674232B5D144C187B6C6CAC1AC750B@Black> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:02:47 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: "harmonics" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Markus, Many thanks for an explanation. NB here in the receiver it is always switched off. Also I switched off and AGC, and reduced level of signals. But sidebands do not disappear at any variants :( 73 Andrey > Dear Andrey. > > here this is happening because the receiver's gain control or noise blanker > reacts on DCF39 or HGA22 telegrams. They normally occur every 11 seconds. The > receiver then modulates all signals in the passband, and gives them a set of > sidebands 1/11s = 0.09 Hz apart. > > Switching off AGC and NB will remove the sidebands on the signals completely, > but at the cost of an increased background from the original DCF FSK sidebands. > > Kind regards, > MArkus (DF6NM) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrey rn3agc" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 12:28 PM > Subject: LF: "harmonics" > > > Hello LF, > > At strong levels of a signal such "harmonics" are formed here. > Somebody knows the reason of formation of these "harmonics"? > > 73 Andrey > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb12.mx.aol.com (rly-mb12.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.170]) by air-mb02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB022-d444b2248e224a; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:28:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB128-d444b2248e224a; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:28:04 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ5WV-0007BK-Nj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:27:07 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ5WV-0007BB-6v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:27:07 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com ([209.85.220.217]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ5WT-0008S2-Mt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:27:07 +0000 Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so1022539fxm.30 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:27:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=YjNy5gtUe/Hb2dqT9Q2iHhGsfogqNgLvKVrCvk3Uv+k=; b=c5MCdZx1yV7YJCZ8G7ENvf7AK6WdioRIpJeHbQHCSXNkkGeSLEEUHRXFaRJsH/UCSJ /k4W3NId3JsLHEMG7Aaq43aBtVxde6TqgNqgNifhsuB8qIHZHkxasc+5O0zqBalqesfC zxg1QYxZHQbYLxf49vu0CNi07ZXOm/w11NkPg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=LYc0HIIN8fkaJW7hMm5Se2dL+hxt4SCO8Ppfl4MeBwPSigVO7kzfLfrqgeQyW16i+o WSz+eq18foYaVOXwOYgKZJN4sZboi9+k9Tz5XFmD4Ddg5P0FjlOaKtr/XHOuvngz3sw4 jDGpD5VUqGgQ7TS/0yIwrTrHgvPOsyBSDEIJk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.190.69 with SMTP id w5mr135974hbh.143.1260538019932; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:26:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B22410F.1000306@telia.com> References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC12@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B22410F.1000306@telia.com> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:26:59 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m263.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) On this matter... For the recent talk I gave on weak signals at a Microwave Roundtable ( http://www.g4jnt.com/MartleSham.htm ) I made some simulated CW in Noise using accurately calibrated S/N levels. An interesting finding came to light, if you normalise the signal rate to the S/N, so making bandwidth irrelevent, most of the 'fuzzy' modes end up with a similar capability. In other words, Aural CW, QRSS, SMT Hell all need a similar S/N at their respective bandwidths to work. The actual normalised S/N for readability is subject to the operator's experience togther with Temperature/Time of day/mood/Age/Gender/Alcohol intake/Hunger/Weather or any other similar parameter, but there's no massive differences between any of them. So its all down to bandwidth. Even machine modes without error correction manage a not-too-dissimilar performance once their data rates have been normalised. However, if you spread the signal, intentionally, by adding FEC, the improvements can be enormous. As I think we all know only too well when comparing QRSS etc with WSPR, Wolf and other modes with heavy FEC. At least on microwaves we have the luxury of virtually unlimited bandwidth, so can operate in a true Shannon power limited channel to make the most of band spreading. Incidently, the usually quoted signal efficiency used on one axis of the Shannon curve "Bits/second/Hz" sounds uninspiring. But if, instead of Hz, you use the old term 'cycles per second', it becomes Bits/cycle. Which puts a whole new meaning and explanation to the axis on the Shannon curve, and elicited an "Oh Wow, yes, that IS an interesting way of putting it" when told to an experienced comms engineer. The term was actually used in Shannon's original paper of 1948, but seems to have got lost Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police 2009/12/11 Johan H. Bodin : > Hi Stefan, > >> Or isn't it possible to give such a relation? > > Yes, it is not only possible, it is in fact quite simple: > When the speed is reduced by a factor K, the information bandwidth is > also reduced by the same factor. This allows you to use a receiver > bandwidth which is K times narrower without missing any information. The > nice thing is that the noise power passing through this bandwidth is > also K times smaller - The S/N ratio has improved K times (or 10*log(K) > dB if you prefer). In other words, you can reduce the TX power by the > same factor K and still enjoy the same SNR (if RX BW is is also made K > timer narrower). > > In visually received QRSS, the receiver bandwidth is equal to the RBW, > the "resolution bandwidth", which is approximately equal to the FFT bin > width (one pixel on Argo). > > QRSS30 is 10dB more efficient than QRSS3, in theory at least. > > 73 > Johan SM6LKM > > ---- > > Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: >> Dear LF, >> Does anybody know about the "gain" between QRSS3 and QRSS10 or QRSS30?= I mean, if the noise in both cases is equal, how much can I reduce my tx= pwr when switching from qrss3 to qrss10? Or isn't it possible to give suc= h a relation? >> And: Was there ever a TA QSO in QRSS3? >> I am new on the reflector, sri ;-) >> >> Stefan / DK7FC >> >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (rly-mf07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.177]) by air-mf05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF051-9714b2697a2281; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:53:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF077-9714b2697a2281; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:53:07 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKGwe-0007IF-AS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:51:00 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKGwd-0007I6-Tw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:50:59 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKGxe-0007ao-L2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:52:05 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwEAGsmJktZ8hcm/2dsb2JhbACODgaWFLRfhCsEgWI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,396,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="194982420" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.242.23.38]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2009 19:52:09 +0000 Message-ID: <005201ca7cf6$eb4f9220$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000a01ca7cd5$f79adc40$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <65368ABD188F4101A287E9D0308B4795@lindavideo> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:52:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: DIODE Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01CA7CF6.EB1D85A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01CA7CF6.EB1D85A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tnx Ken It follows the norm connections, hefty device big Amperage I expect de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ken=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 7:37 PM Subject: LF: Re: DIODE Mal. Brief info at http://english.electronica-pt.com/db/cross-reference.php?ref=3DBTY96 Ken M0KHW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 3:56 PM Subject: LF: DIODE MF Grp Does anyone have spec for a BTY 96 UM or BTY 98. Looks like a Big= Amp carrying device mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01CA7CF6.EB1D85A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tnx Ken
It follows the norm connections, heft= y device big=20 Amperage I expect
de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ken
Sent: Monday, December 14, 20= 09 7:37=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: DIODE

Mal.
Brief info at
 
 
Ken
M0KHW
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Monday, December 14,= 2009 3:56=20 PM
Subject: LF: DIODE

MF Grp
Does anyone have spec for a BTY= 96 UM or=20 BTY 98. Looks like a Big Amp carrying device
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------=_NextPart_000_004F_01CA7CF6.EB1D85A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb09.mx.aol.com (rly-mb09.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.167]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB052-d294b199b92388; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:30:37 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB095-d294b199b92388; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:30:27 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGhaV-0003bU-LO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 23:29:23 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGhaV-0003bL-3r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 23:29:23 +0000 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGhaT-0001Oc-7l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 23:29:23 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAJIpGUtOlOfC/2dsb2JhbADXAYQzBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,344,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="290767386" Received: from unknown (HELO TraceyPC) ([78.148.231.194]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Dec 2009 23:29:15 +0000 Message-ID: <4AABF465BDAF458EAD9C4A5C7071B220@TraceyPC> From: "Tracey Gardner" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB4A@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <005601ca7534$6ea90400$030ff004@ctrask> In-Reply-To: <005601ca7534$6ea90400$030ff004@ctrask> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 23:29:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Active Antenna Preamp of Bernd/DF8ZR Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 It works OK for me now! :-) Tracey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Trask" To: Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 10:52 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Active Antenna Preamp of Bernd/DF8ZR > > >> > Now, Bernd has posted the circuit of his preamp for active antennas: >> > >> > http://www.mydarc.de/df8zr/lf-active-antenna.pdf >> > >> > It's nothing fundamental new. But it's just working very fine, with an >> > overvoltage shielded input. DLF (153kHz) gets attenuated by abt 40dB, >> > compared to the sigs in the wanted frequency range. Gain is abt 23dB. >> > It was published in summer 2003 in the CQDL. >> >> The URL is an invalid one >> > > Works okay here. > > Chris > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me04.mx.aol.com (rly-me04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.38]) by air-me05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME051-9b14b22b0b015f; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:51:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME045-9b14b22b0b015f; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:50:58 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJCQr-0001ou-82 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:49:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJCQq-0001ol-QV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:49:44 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJCQq-0003Hw-0J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:49:44 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBBIqHJf020269 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:52:18 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:49:42 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:49:42 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC1F@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <20091211134526.9C23EF3862@smtps02.kuleuven.be> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Thread-Index: Acp6aN9gFFwHgWhGRrClau0pefh3nAAOiCOg From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.619;11.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.11.203924 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Rik, LF,=20 Tnx for your detailed explanations! I will not forget it any more! :-) CU tmw or Sunday! Stefan / DK7FC PS: I just bought my new and biggest kite ever: 8,1m^2, that needs a 500kg= braid and just 1,5bft... -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Dezember 2009 14:46 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Stefan, if output power is constant and the noise (at RX) is uniform then the=20 SNR is directly related to the RX bandwidth, what must be at least=20 equal to the useful bandwidth of the TX signal. The required bandwidth for QRSS30 (0.033Hz) is ten times smaller than=20 for QRSS3 (0.33Hz), so QRSS30 should have a 10dB better SNR. QRSS10=20 (bandwidth 0.1Hz) is about 5dB better tha QRSS3 and 5dB worse than QRSS30. The above also assumes that both RX and TX stability are sufficient. Have a look at http://www.qsl.net/on7yd/136narro.htm Another limit is the "stability" of the ionosphere, causing doppler=20 effect and thus limiting the minimal bandwidth. Most of the time on=20 137kHz one can go as slow as QRSS120, but at 10MHz QRSS10 is the limit. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 13:29 11/12/2009, you wrote: >Dear LF, >Does anybody know about the "gain" between QRSS3 and QRSS10 or=20 >QRSS30? I mean, if the noise in both cases is equal, how much can I=20 >reduce my tx pwr when switching from qrss3 to qrss10? Or isn't it=20 >possible to give such a relation? >And: Was there ever a TA QSO in QRSS3? >I am new on the reflector, sri ;-) > >Stefan / DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me09.mx.aol.com (rly-me09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.43]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME034-9d74b1a3ad63f; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 05:50:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME093-9d74b1a3ad63f; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 05:50:00 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGsCO-0005mf-Ak for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 10:49:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGsCN-0005mV-Us for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 10:49:11 +0000 Received: from mx71.mail.ru ([94.100.176.85]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) 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X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Alberto, I am not much in beer myself, but there seems to be a famous Dutch brand, that I can recommend! 73, Roelof, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com 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X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,424,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="363975502" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.150.180.132]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2009 18:48:37 +0000 Message-ID: <001d01ca80db$dbee9680$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <346854e9698cbf94f4483c66682bb63b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <001e01ca80b0$392cb0b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <002501ca80cc$2df97f90$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <9afca2640912190916g2eaed7e3o920b6eca5fcfd48b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:48:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA80DB.DB93F360" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404c4b2d20476cd2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA80DB.DB93F360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I do understand but some persons cannot be told. It depends how it is= configured/installed, height above ground , environment etc=20 G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 5:16 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Noise cancelling by using optic transmissio= n of RX signals Total tosh Mal. You clearly don't understand how E-probe antennas= work.=20 73s and happy Christmas Roger G3XBM 2009/12/19 mal hamilton I said recently that the wire connecting these type of mini antenn= as is in fact the antenna. It was the same with the Partridge Joy stick of yesteryears, the long connecting wire to the small loading coil wa= s doing most of the work. There is no substitute for a real resonant antenna at the working= frequency. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 1:36 PM Subject: LF: Re: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of= RX signals > >I think the role of the ground with active whips is often negle= cted - the output of the whip preamp > >is the voltage differential between the whip element and the ci= rcuit ground, so the ground > >connection is just as much part of the antenna as the whip elem= ent itself is. > > That's an important point that is often overlooked or ignored.= A mini whip mounted up at 5 meters is > a 5 meter antenna. You can easily prove this by mounting it at= ground zero on top of a ground > screen. Been there, done that. > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR > > --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA80DB.DB93F360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I do understand but some persons cann= ot be told. It=20 depends how it is configured/installed, height above ground , environm= ent etc=20
G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 19,= 2009 5:16=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Nois= e cancelling=20 by using optic transmission of RX signals

Total tosh Mal.  You clearly don't= =20 understand how E-probe antennas work.

73s and happy=20 Christmas

Roger G3XBM




2009/12/19 mal hamilton <= ;g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
I=20 said recently that the wire connecting these type of mini antennas= is=20 in
fact the antenna. It was the same with the Partridge Joy sti= ck=20 of
yesteryears, the long connecting wire to the small loading= coil was=20 doing
most of the work.
There is no substitute for a real re= sonant=20 antenna at the working frequency.
G3KEV


----- Origin= al Message=20 -----
From: <= jrusgrove@comcast.net>
To:=20 <rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org>
Sent:=20 Saturday, December 19, 2009 1:36 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Noise canc= elling by=20 using optic transmission of RX signals


> >I think= the role=20 of the ground with active whips is often neglected - the
output= of the=20 whip preamp
> >is the voltage differential between the wh= ip element=20 and the circuit
ground, so the ground
> >connection is= just as=20 much part of the antenna as the whip element itself
is.
>=
>=20 That's an important point that is often overlooked or ignored. A= mini=20 whip
mounted up at 5 meters is
> a 5 meter antenna. You= can easily=20 prove this by mounting it at ground zero
on top of a ground
= >=20 screen. Been there, done that.
>
> Jay W1VD  WD2X= NS=20  WE2XGR
>
>




--=20
-------------------------------------------------------------http://g3xbm-qrp.blogs= pot.com/
http://www.g3xb= m.co.uk
G3XBM  =20  GQRP 1678      ISWL G11088
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charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) LF I uploaded a quick-and-dirty audio recording of one ID: http://www.netikka.net/oh1lsq/WE2XGR_6_20091213_0145UTC.wav BR Paul-Henrik From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd08.mx.aol.com (rly-dd08.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.155]) by air-dd10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD101-b964b211f2024; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:17:42 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD088-b964b211f2024; 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charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Pete, It arrived yesterday, just as I was taking my XYL out to celebrate our wed= ding anniversary. I have now unpacked the parcel. =20 Many thanks for all your efforts. I have subscribed to the soft rock Yaho= o group and realise I have a lot to learn. =20 Cheque sent to you (Oh dear! that sounds like "our cheque is in the post"= ). 73 John *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 10/12/2009 at 06:54 M0FMT wrote: >Hi John >=A0 >Have you received my parcel yet,=A0with the soft rock ? >=A0 >73 petefmt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da09.mx.aol.com (rly-da09.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.83]) by air-da02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA021-a904b16a8d5e6; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:50:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA098-a904b16a8d5e6; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:50:15 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFtK2-0006Hc-7b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:49:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFtK1-0006HT-Rk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:49:01 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFtK1-0007e2-8E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:49:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 3128 invoked by uid 507); 2 Dec 2009 18:48:35 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 18:48:35 +0100 Message-ID: <200912021848460547.0592D856@smtp2.numeo.fr> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:48:46 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Sound card sampling rate Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I am running a USB-connected Creative Labs sound blaster model SB0270 with= Argo V1 build 134 on an XP SP3 system. How do I find out the sampling= rate, please? 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It seemed generally to be sufficient to de-tune= the unused antenna to reduce the interaction to low levels. Best Wishes for Dx in the New Year Alan G3NYK --- On Sun, 27/12/09, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer = wrote: > From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer > Subject: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sunday, 27 December, 2009, 10:55 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Hi > Alan, tnx, i have > printed your article and will read it now at breakfast > ;-) >=20 > =20 >=20 > Perhaps > I will come back > with some questions=E2=80=A6 J >=20 > =20 >=20 > 73, > Stefan/DK7FC >=20 > -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche > Nachricht----- >=20 > Von: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von ALAN > MELIA >=20 > Gesendet: > Sonntag, 27. Dezember > 2009 01:32 >=20 > An: > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >=20 > Betreff: Re: > LF: Influence of a TX > antenna to a small rx antenna >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > Hi Stephan yes the aerialls will > be very close > compared with the wavelength so they will interact > particularly is tuned. We > did some measurements ar Finbar's location several > years ago >=20 > http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/aecouple.htm=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > The interaction was measured on an antenna RF > bridge, and demonstrates > the coupling between two wires. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Best Wishes >=20 > Alan G3NYK >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma03.mx.aol.com (rly-ma03.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.47]) by air-ma10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA104-8994b25201e3c1; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 12:11:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA033-8994b25201e3c1; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 12:10:56 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJrwQ-0006Rg-3F for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:09:06 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJrwP-0006RX-Mw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:09:05 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate01.web.de ([217.72.192.221]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJrx1-0004Bz-Lp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:09:45 +0000 Received: from smtp08.web.de (fmsmtp08.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.5.216]) by fmmailgate01.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ABC11415547B for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:09:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from [217.227.113.4] (helo=mo76) by smtp08.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE 4.110 #314) id 1NJrwv-0007Ru-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:09:37 +0100 Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:09:37 +0100 From: Michael Oexner X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.12.00) Personal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1225211384.20091213180937@web.de> To: Clemens Paul In-Reply-To: <018101ca7c14$e9405ce0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> References: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> <241919.87622.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9afca2640912130305r3acb5e5fs991caaa1115d2255@mail.gmail.com> <6E7638745A1B43168C402CDBB010C2A7@AGB> <297314752.20091213174834@web.de> <018101ca7c14$e9405ce0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: michael.oexner@web.de X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+4HENHGEYZiCud24Bhf7HeeFxskJaRsQG9SSHm wih8T0KqOdhGL2I7VUSMCuYemUuc8L7h03jISx3x3L6L4Yuod/ IF4RbWeQ06+LwmFtY2mg== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: IK1HSS WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Clemens, Good to see you here as well :-) > saw your name in the database but didn't realize that it might have > been you. Did you try the ALA1530,too? Unfortunately no - the ALA 1530 needs a new coax and is currently QRT. -- vy 73 + gd DX, Michael From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma10.mx.aol.com (rly-ma10.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.54]) by air-ma10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA103-8d54b2407c98c; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:15:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA107-8d54b2407c98c; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:14:50 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJZHl-0003xN-HM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:13:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJZHl-0003xE-6s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:13:53 +0000 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([195.4.92.91]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJZHt-0002bB-1V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:14:02 +0000 Received: from [195.4.92.22] (helo=12.mx.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.70 #1) id 1NJZHt-0000YN-2O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 22:14:01 +0100 Received: from g230094112.adsl.alicedsl.de ([92.230.94.112]:1146 helo=[192.168.0.100]) by 12.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #94) id 1NJZHs-0005ee-S0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 22:14:01 +0100 Message-ID: <4B240795.9070502@freenet.de> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 22:13:57 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Wolfgang_B=FCscher?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC1F@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B23B319.9080005@usa.net> <4B23C4B5.10102@freenet.de> <003e01ca7b4d$307ac190$3ab27cbc@ap6fnsa53r3k6h> <4B23E5CD.6090209@freenet.de> <4B23EAFB.7080608@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <4B23EAFB.7080608@usa.net> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Japanese time&frequency station Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) fb... here similar display here, received 2009-12-12 about 21 UTC with a SDR-IQ and a small air core loop antenna (indoors): http://freenet-homepage.de/dl4yhf/vlf_rdf/latest_vlf_spectra.htm#20_to_50_kHz (still no signs from Japan, but NAU - Puerto Rico - getting stronger now) 73, Wolf DL4YHF . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (rly-dc07.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.36]) by air-dc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC073-b2e4b1d79c7e0; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:55:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC072-b2e4b1d79c7e0; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:55:21 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHlXI-00040U-JA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:54:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHlXI-00040L-6K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:54:28 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHlXH-0007Xc-Do for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:54:28 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31A2351C003 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:54:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2526331E702 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:54:14 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id AA16018056; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:54:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from 37.1-180-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (37.1-180-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [91.180.1.37]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 22:54:13 +0100 Message-ID: <20091207225413.gv5qgln28008ock4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 22:54:13 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <9afca2640912071058u8d99fbbp6c9464d698d6f0f7@mail.gmail.com> <20091207220046.49h1zwc3tw448s4s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <9afca2640912071346j79529ed7nb39f7558ab513e15@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9afca2640912071346j79529ed7nb39f7558ab513e15@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 91.180.1.37 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz CW CQ CQ.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Roger, nothing heard too. I could see a faint trace at 501.755 QRN is still rather high for the time of the year. 73, Rik ON7YF - OR7T Quoting Roger Lapthorn : > Called for about 10 mins at 12wpm at 2130z but nothng heard Rik. =20 > Back to WSPR.... > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > > 2009/12/7 Rik Strobbe =20 > > > Roger, > > I have been listeing but only heard GW3UEP on 501.5 > I will give it another try at 21:30 UTC > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > PS: can you preeced your CQ by a 10 sec carrier or so? That would =20 > allow me to locate you with Argo. > > > > > > Quoting Roger Lapthorn =20 > >: > > I'm calling CQ on ~501.8kHz but getting no responses as yet.... > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > > > > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me04.mx.aol.com (rly-me04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.38]) by air-me05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME052-9b24b20aab5114; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 03:01:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME046-9b24b20aab5114; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 03:00:55 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIdwP-0000IK-Bc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:00:01 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIdwO-0000I6-Az for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:00:00 +0000 Received: from mail0.citigroup.com ([192.193.221.105] helo=mail.citigroup.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIdwL-0006UZ-Dx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:00:00 +0000 Received: from imbhub-mw02.nam.nsroot.net ([159.17.94.189]) by imbaspam-ss03.namdmz.dmzroot.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/SSMB_EXT/ev: 24737 $) with ESMTP id nBA7xnhU012217 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:59:50 GMT Received: from exlniht01.eur.nsroot.net (exlniht01.eur.nsroot.net [169.186.207.97]) by imbhub-mw02.nam.nsroot.net (Switch-3.4.1/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id nBA7rGq1014189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:59:49 GMT Received: from exlnht03.eur.nsroot.net (169.186.207.98) by exlniht01.eur.nsroot.net (169.186.207.97) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.375.2; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:59:34 +0000 Received: from exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net ([169.186.219.14]) by exlnht03.eur.nsroot.net ([169.186.207.98]) with mapi; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:59:34 +0000 From: "Scholz, Marco " To: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org'" Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:59:32 +0000 Thread-Topic: LF: DDH47 147.3 Thread-Index: Acp5MSCvalu0BDkbSAK+E2Cv6HzP7AAKrNPQAAR8LlA= Message-ID: <16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C6612C3@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> References: <392758439.1260398409.48146488.79519@mcgi74.rambler.ru> <4B202EA6.1090000@usa.net> <003201ca7930$73dc02b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C661224@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> In-Reply-To: <16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C661224@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB x-wiganss: 01000000010017exlnht03.eur.nsroot.net ID0044<16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C6612C3@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 169.175.16.182 X-Spam-Score: 2.0 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,EXTRA_MPART_TYPE=0.815,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: RE: LF: DDH47 147.3 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_004_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C6612C3exlnmb01eurns_"; type="multipart/alternative" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --_004_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C6612C3exlnmb01eurns_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C6612C3exlnmb01eurns_" --_000_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C6612C3exlnmb01eurns_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, an audio sample is located under http://scholzmarco.gmxhome.de/ddh47_09122= 009.mp3 regards Marco, DD7PC ________________________________ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org] On Behalf Of Scholz, Marco [ICG-IT] Sent: 10 December 2009 06:46 To: 'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org' Subject: RE: LF: DDH47 147.3 Good morning, DDH47 also with an outstanding signal here in JN49. Exact at 23:15 was a= QRSS3 transmission of the word "Braun" - see attached file. vy73 Marco DD7PC ________________________________ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org] On Behalf Of jrusgrove@comcast.net Sent: 10 December 2009 01:34 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 147.3 Good copy of cw signal 'by ear' in CT ... on a very noisy night. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: Alberto di Bene To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 6:11 PM Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 147.3 Beautiful copy of DDH47, but then, given their power, it is not a great su= rprise.... 73 Alberto I2PHD [cid:352495207@10122009-1A35] --_000_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C6612C3exlnmb01eurns_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,
 
regards
Marco, DD7PC
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o= rg=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Scholz, Ma= rco=20 [ICG-IT]
Sent: 10 December 2009 06:46
To:=20 'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org'
Subject: RE: LF: DDH47=20 147.3

Good morning,
DDH47 also with an outstanding signal here= in JN49. Exact=20 at 23:15 was a QRSS3 transmission of the word "Braun" - see attached=20 file.
 
vy73
Marco
DD7PC

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o= rg=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of=20 jrusgrove@comcast.net
Sent: 10 December 2009 01:34
To:= =20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: DDH47=20 147.3

Good copy of= cw signal 'by=20 ear' in CT ... on a very noisy night.
 
Jay W1VD  WD2XNS&nbs= p;=20 WE2XGR/2
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Alberto di Bene= =20
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 200= 9 6:11=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 147.3

Beautiful copy of DDH47, but then, given their power, it= is not=20 a great surprise....

73  Alberto  I2PHD

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googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) That wouldn't make any difference. The mount to the metal frame was non contact, and the outer of the coax forming the counterpoise will always be the interference injection point as teh rubbish is being picke dup on th ecoax outer as it feeds its way thuorgh the ducting to the outside world. By the time the roofspace itreached, teh actual localised radiatino is at a moderately low level as its mostly contined within the metal framed building. The surest way to counter localised pickup on the coax is to thoroughly ground the antenna connection using the ground wire provided to the building frame, then use a common mode choke (a mass of ferrite rings) to decouple the coax braid. It worked well-enough for our HF monitoring purposes. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police 2009/12/17 Roelof Bakker : > Hello Andy, > > Have you tried to mount it on a four metre high non metallic pole? > It probably is still inside the noise field of the building, which drops > off within a few metres. > > 73, > Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db10.mx.aol.com (rly-db10.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.85]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB013-aeb4b1d49bd373; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:30:34 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB101-aeb4b1d49bd373; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:30:23 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHiKp-00034Y-Ov for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:29:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHiKp-00034P-CH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:29:23 +0000 Received: from mcgi25.rambler.ru ([81.19.67.67]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHiKo-0006RC-Mx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:29:23 +0000 Received: from mcgi25.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mcgi25.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 192741700D for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 21:29:19 +0300 (MSK) Received: from [91.77.89.121] by mcgi25.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:29:13 +0300 From: Roman RW3ADB To: Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:29:13 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: Message-Id: <244300601.1260210553.160289304.17021@mcgi25.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (untone), http://mail.rambler.ru X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 last call Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 TNX Uwe! * Uwe Wensauer [Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:05:17 +0100]: > Special Event : 100 years Nobel Prize Prof. Braun & Marconi > > On 10th of December 1909 Prof. F. Braun and G. Marconi received Nobel > Prize for Physics at > > Stockholm. Both gentlemen were honored for their developments in the > field of wireless > > communication. > > On the 100th anniversary of this occasion the Prof. Braun Day (DL0PFB) > makes a special > > transmission with the longwave transmitter DDH47 (147,3 kHz) of National > Weather Service > > Deutscher Wetterdienst. > > On the night before Nobelday (9. December 2009) the transmitter is > available for 2 hours ( 23 > > - 01 UTC). > > All people are invited to listen to the telegraphic transmissions of > DDH47 und radio > > amateurs may contact DL0PFB on shortwave in cw only. DL0PFB answers to > calls on the > > declared frequencies and keys DDH47 sometimes in parallel. > > During silence periods (h+15-18 and h+45-48) of former maritime radio > service, there is ultra > > slow keying ( 1 dot in 3 seconds ) for long distance tests. The names of > famous wireless > > pioniers will be keyed in that time for prove of receiption! > > Prof. Braun Day issued a special QSL card, contacts are exchanged via > DARC Bureau or > > direct, when followed certain circumstances: > > (Deutschland SASE, Europe postage 2 US Dollars, overseas postage 4 US > Dollars, No IRC) > > Contact: Prof. Braun Day, c/o J. Gerpott, Rebhuhnweg 21, 22880 Wedel, > Germany > > When: 9. Dezember 2009, 2300 UTC until 10. Dezember 2009, 0100 UTC > > Transmit : DDH47 147,3 kHz und DL0PFB : ( 3565, 7025, 14052 kHz +/- > qrm), > > Receive : DL0PFB only shortwave, see above > > QRS3 : hourly +15 bis +18, and +45 bis +48, ulta slow keying 1 Dot in 3 > Seconds > > Receiption reports are welcome, especially from overseas ! > > Internet: > > www.mmqtc-award.org Link Nobel > > Version 1.0 nobele.pdf > > > > > > 73 > > Uwe, DK1kq -- Roman RW3ADB. 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1NGT2v-0005ht-Pg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 07:57:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGT2v-0005hk-CG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 07:57:45 +0000 Received: from pne-smtpout2-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.164]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGT2u-0002ku-GX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 07:57:45 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (81.235.167.68) by pne-smtpout2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (7.3.140.3) (authenticated as u33233109) id 4A5BC8BE00F310DA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 08:57:38 +0100 Message-ID: <4B18C0F9.8060202@telia.com> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 08:57:45 +0100 From: "Johan H. Bodin" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B16987B.9000002@usa.net> <4B179DE6.3050608@usa.net> <20091203194531.or926chzk844g4k8@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <4B183595.5060800@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <4B183595.5060800@usa.net> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Yes, those Trappiste beers are quite interesting, Chimay for example which is available in different signal strengths (QRP..QRO), but I don't believe it is possible to get them in metal cans. As a compromise, you can try to wrap the bottle in metal foil, or, avoid drinking it and solder the FET gate directly to the bottle's cap. :-) 73 Johan SM6LKM Alberto di Bene wrote: > I tend to agree with Rik, the best beers I ever drank were those in La > Grande Place > in Bruxelles, many years ago, when I was there for QRL. > I remember a three-story building facing directly the Place, where you > could taste > all kind of Trappiste beers... I spent there many evenings... though I > did not think > to perform a measurement in dBs of the SNR with respect to beers coming > from the Amstel river :-) > > 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (rly-dc08.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.37]) by air-dc05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC054-b384b256cd232; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:38:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC084-b384b256cd232; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:38:12 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJx39-0001uR-VQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:36:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJx39-0001uI-FP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:36:23 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJx3m-00074N-Dp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:37:03 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDE2F2AC521 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:37:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps01.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.136] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.58V) with ESMTP id XID916NLmwlB8028X01; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:37:01 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.136 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps01.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID916NLmwlB8028X01 Received: from [192.168.1.4] [151.47.223.119] by cmsapps01.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 471NLmwK83072M36; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:37:00 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.223.119 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.4] Message-ID: <4B256C89.9030906@usa.net> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:36:57 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LF Mailing List X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID471NLmwla3072X36 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: IK1HSS in QRSS3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Received IK1HSS in QRSS3 mode at 137.770 kHz. He seems to have stopped just now (22:33 UTC) transmitting, exactly a few seconds before I was ready to do a screen capture....:-) 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.209]) by air-db02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB022-861c4b34ffd21e5; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:09:22 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EB5AB3800009B; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:09:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOEa5-00039I-6a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 18:08:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOEa4-000399-Rt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 18:08:04 +0000 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOEa2-00020a-7J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 18:08:04 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqYEAIqONEtcGJjG/2dsb2JhbACNVgaOVLhwhDME X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,454,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="255897606" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.24.152.198]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2009 18:07:56 +0000 Message-ID: <002401ca858d$2c21b550$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 18:07:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: LF/MF ACTY Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01CA858D.2BA35D90" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d14b34ffd17238 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01CA858D.2BA35D90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 137.7 Kcs vy busy this evening on QRS. 500 Kcs quiet apart from PAT an= d his greetings merssage de G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01CA858D.2BA35D90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
137.7 Kcs vy busy this evening on QRS= . 500 Kcs=20 quiet apart from PAT and his greetings merssage
de G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_0021_01CA858D.2BA35D90-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg06.mx.aol.com (rly-dg06.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.90]) by air-dg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG023-5ce4b16c0e5123; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:33:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG061-5ce4b16c0e5123; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:32:54 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFuvS-00076i-Il for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:31:46 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFuvS-00076Z-3c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:31:46 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFuvQ-0007p6-Fg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:31:46 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so546588bwz.4 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:31:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=h2vl6iHOcTbSUfzLYUPzJejZAPvafeoSNgebunhzcJo=; b=Jgsfmj/UBC/rL2aoPCnOXhB+GjrS38eIXW3XKizXQrmIfNQkzRinMW0QLZDVQ67yEZ HrROayhhKwX6dygaFBjE4/263LjsbCmKOHRn04IwdVo2XguwvvZXurpGND1CEcSkUQWh j6Ahq020qCuH+orcEqD1JTY4zSte+E718l/L0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=aN4BO8vk847ril4nfQteZBug7lXg0uCE0CMnnRKtk9wsCPAn3uNdnCW9CPoneht1ia NOvrHfLRNZZllqH6f+ix4G1MYrsb9Pz6wwt91rLD1KSA16jtDhivig1pN5OMSlgZKOhf zrLVwSwUlEATV8Muz5hNS1GugJACgnA+MO0Mw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.23.77 with SMTP id q13mr559827bkb.136.1259782296509; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:31:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B16A588.4020408@usa.net> References: <9afca2640912020929k28ed644dl8f58ace35432e49@mail.gmail.com> <4B16A588.4020408@usa.net> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:31:36 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2640912021131v6458532bibcaeed83c43b4005@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz WSPR (last time before trying 136kHz WSPR) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0003255584e2471cba0479c3ecac X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m201.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0003255584e2471cba0479c3ecac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Alberto (et al), Within the WSPR sub-band and currently around 503.886kHz but may move later to avoid QRO stations. My WSPR beacon will run overnight tonight. 73s Roger 2009/12/2 Alberto di Bene > Roger Lapthorn wrote: > > This evening I'm TXing on 500kHz WSPR (1mW ERP) and would appreciate >> reports. >> > > Dial frequency ? UTC time of start and end ? > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0003255584e2471cba0479c3ecac Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alberto (et al),

Within the WSPR sub-band and currently around 503.= 886kHz but may move later to avoid QRO stations. My WSPR beacon will run= overnight tonight.

73s
Roger

= 2009/12/2 Alberto di Bene <dibene@usa.net>
Roger Lapthorn wrote:

This evening I'm TXing on 500kHz WSPR (1mW ERP) and would appreciate= reports.

Dial frequency ? UTC time of start and end ?

73 =A0Alberto =A0I2PHD







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http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088
--0003255584e2471cba0479c3ecac-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (rly-mf04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.174]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF081-9574b2bc268254; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:57:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF045-9574b2bc268254; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:56:58 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLgzC-0004bS-RR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:51:30 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLgzC-0004bJ-5V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:51:30 +0000 Received: from smtp6.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.191]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLh2e-00072D-7Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:55:06 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3618.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8365A7000083 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:54:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3618.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 76D35700009B for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:54:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.32.76]) by mwinf3618.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 217427000083 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:54:56 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20091218175456137.217427000083@mwinf3618.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <2D2A7F4006D14FDA90FA57ECAEE27BDE@AGB> From: "Graham" To: Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:54:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 3.0 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,EXTRA_MPART_TYPE=0.815,FUZZY_OCR_WRONG_CTYPE=1.500,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=0.64,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Band 501 to 504kHz in the Netherlands Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA800B.34CDD260" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA800B.34CDD260 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0029_01CA800B.34CDD260" ------=_NextPart_001_0029_01CA800B.34CDD260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Band 501 to 504kHz in the Netherlands Starting on 1 January 2010, full licence holders in the Netherlands ca= n opt for permission to conduct experiments in the band 501 to 504kHz= with a maximum power of 5W EIRP and a maximum bandwidth of 100Hz. Q : Is this another intended to be CW .... but can do data if it= fits syndrome ?=20 5 watts erp should provide reasonable signals considering the amoun= t of water about ( are the dykes fresh or salt?) And there may also be a 500 Khz web-sdr radio running from Holla= nd shortly as well .. outstanding system=20 Congratulations on the new allocation ! G ..=20 ------=_NextPart_001_0029_01CA800B.34CDD260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Band 501 to 504kHz in the=20 Netherlands
Starting on 1 Janu= ary 2010,=20 full licence holders in the Netherlands can opt for permission to cond= uct=20 experiments in the band 501 to 504kHz with a maximum power of 5W EIRP= and a=20 maximum bandwidth of 100Hz.
 
Q : Is this another  intended to= be  CW=20 ....  but  can do data  if it  fits syndrome=  ?=20
 
5 watts erp  should provide reas= onable =20 signals considering the  amount of water  about ( are = the =20 dykes fresh or salt?)
 
And there may also  be  a&n= bsp;500 Khz=20  web-sdr   radio running  from Holland shortly  as= well ..=20 outstanding system
 
Congratulations on the  new = ; allocation=20 !
 
G ..


------=_NextPart_001_0029_01CA800B.34CDD260-- ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA800B.34CDD260 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="spacer_line.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Location: http://www.rsgb.org/format/images/spacer_line.gif R0lGODlhAQAWAIAAAP///wAAACH5BAAAAAAALAAAAAABABYAAAIEhI+pUAA7 ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA800B.34CDD260-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db01.mx.aol.com (rly-db01.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.76]) by air-db02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB022-aa44b23b38fe7; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:15:34 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB012-aa44b23b38fe7; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:15:29 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJTgA-0000fm-5p for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:14:42 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJTg9-0000fd-Qs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:14:41 +0000 Received: from smtpa1.mediabeam.com ([194.25.41.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJTg9-00085T-40 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:14:43 +0000 Received: from r300-1 (balancer4.mediabeam.com [194.25.41.40]) by smtpa1.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nBCFEZg2023534 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:14:35 +0100 From: "Uwe Jannsen" To: Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:14:33 Message-ID: <0F7807D90C0C0F0E21395@kabelmail.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-PRIORITY: 3 X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,INVALID_DATE=1.76 Subject: LF: XGJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi all, I have never seen the singns of "XGJ" as strong as last night. pse see: http://dj8wx-dl.de/capt236 regards Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.208]) by air-di05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI054-eac94b3b568819; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 08:32:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C915438000042; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 08:32:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPye0-0002IF-J4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:31:20 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPye0-0002I6-4P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:31:20 +0000 Received: from impaqm5.telefonica.net ([213.4.138.5]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPydy-0006FA-J9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:31:20 +0000 Received: from IMPmailhost2.adm.correo ([10.20.102.39]) by IMPaqm5.telefonica.net with bizsmtp id PQ3D1d00n0r0BT63RRXH14; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:31:17 +0100 Received: from p1800 ([217.127.130.21]) by IMPmailhost2.adm.correo with BIZ IMP id PRXH1d0070Tqill1iRXHjb; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:31:17 +0100 X-TE-authinfo: authemail="EA2HB" |auth_email="EA2HB@telefonica.net" X-TE-AcuTerraCos: auth_cuTerraCos="cosuitnetc01" Message-ID: <001001ca8954$5dd9bf50$0401a8c0@p1800> From: "Federico" To: Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:31:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST=0.766,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Documentation Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA895C.BEFF4F40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d04b3b5687712a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA895C.BEFF4F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wanted some documentation of the level meter Wandel & Goltermann SPM6= or a reference to its location 73 and TNX. EA2HB@telefonica.net ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA895C.BEFF4F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wanted so= me=20 documentation of the level meter  Wandel & Goltermann SP= M6 or a=20 reference to its location

73 and TNX.
       =20               &= nbsp;=20               &= nbsp;=20  EA2HB@telefonica.net
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA895C.BEFF4F40-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md09.mx.aol.com (rly-md09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.147]) by air-md10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD102-9284b1bbb36115; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 09:10:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD098-9284b1bbb36115; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 09:10:00 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHHmz-0004qC-6K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 14:08:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHHmy-0004q3-Iw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 14:08:40 +0000 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHHmx-0006k8-Nm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 14:08:40 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnQFAJBJG0tcHCNo/2dsb2JhbACCLIF8iWa3VY8Jg1xXBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,349,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="278695330" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.28.35.104]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 06 Dec 2009 14:08:33 +0000 Message-ID: <004601ca767d$953d69e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <013e01ca765e$375485d0$0317aac0@desktop> <246141.16657.qm@web87013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 14:08:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: copying mal now 10.22z on cw 500 557 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0043_01CA767D.94F11EA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01CA767D.94F11EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tnx Sam for the report, doing well on the untuned vert. 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: SAM JEWELL=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: Re: LF: copying mal now 10.22z on cw 500 557 Mal , G3KEV, CQ copied 539 in JO02 ( near Felixstowe ) at around 12= :00z on 502kHz. Untuned 7m vertical. No NoV so unable to respond other than on here. 73 de Sam, G4DDK ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- From: James Cowburn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, 6 December, 2009 10:23:54 Subject: LF: copying mal now 10.22z on cw 500 557 LF/Mal Can cpy u loud and clear on around 502.5cw 557. I called back but= no reply. Do u want to try RTTY? With best regards Jim G7NKS ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01CA767D.94F11EA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tnx Sam for the report, doing well on= the untuned=20 vert.
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 SAM=20 JEWELL
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 20= 09 12:17=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: copying mal= now 10.22z=20 on cw 500 557

Mal , G3KEV,  CQ copied 539 in JO02 ( near Felixstowe ) at= around=20 12:00z on 502kHz. Untuned 7m vertical.
No NoV so unable to respon= d other=20 than on here.

73 de Sam, G4DDK




From: James Cowburn= <james.cowburn@vir= gin.net>
To:= rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org
Sent:<= /SPAN> Sunday, 6 December, 2009=20 10:23:54
Subject:= LF: copying=20 mal now 10.22z on cw 500 557

LF/Mal

 

Can cpy u loud and clear on aroun= d=20 502.5cw 557.  I called back but no reply. Do u want to try=20 RTTY?

 

With= best=20 regards

&= nbsp;

&= nbsp;

Jim=20 G7NKS

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0043_01CA767D.94F11EA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma02.mx.aol.com (rly-ma02.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.46]) by air-ma10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA102-8934b18007a1e3; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:16:39 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA025-8934b18007a1e3; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:16:28 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGGDC-0003Ew-MZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:15:30 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGGDC-0003En-3p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:15:30 +0000 Received: from smtpa1.mediabeam.com ([194.25.41.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGGDA-0007Xo-Nl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:15:30 +0000 Received: from r300-1 (balancer4.mediabeam.com [194.25.41.40]) by smtpa1.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nB3IFMCZ016976 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 19:15:22 +0100 From: "Uwe Jannsen" To: Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:15:18 Message-ID: <1A4C07D90C03120F1332A@kabelmail.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-PRIORITY: 3 X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,INVALID_DATE=1.76 Subject: Re: LF: info's F8boj Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Claude, though no DX here your signs looks like that: http://dj8wx-dl.de/capt58 in JO43SV. regards Uwe/dj8wx -------- Kabel E-Mail Reply --------------- From: f8boj@club-internet.fr To : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: 02.12.2009 17:18:41 HI LF To test station at the bottom of Band I will be QRV 136319.20 hz QRSS60 for 20H utc Notice to fans DX and the control's is welcome Claude f8boj JN16WA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.13]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE022-5ea74b313bb8254; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:35:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4409E3800DF8E; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:23:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNCAJ-0007YI-Jc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:21:11 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNCAJ-0007Y9-0N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:21:11 +0000 Received: from smtp815.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNCAH-0006Yw-H4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:21:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 64324 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2009 21:21:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Importance:In-Reply-To; b=qSYAwZi0yBsfmRRbD0/f1rKqVtGnUEFFgnLdleaKjmmSR/H+NBfooVNCnpyUr3xgTlOB1Ri/nbiIZgwZSUN1jGO8F/zRIuZ8JXgDci3ZO1NFkBgGKL//i2JfZL28bV9lh82OKgLyS7wfq18s7aH1IigEvau0vMViJYcQM9mB9KY= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@86.141.122.22 with login) by smtp815.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2009 21:21:03 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: JSvqNSWswBBXc9Mk_Vd71RtGz2bViJtuZMADdmi78eLqBj_R7.fL X-YMail-OSG: 0YrQ5XYVM1mITjO3LziCK3if6PVno3.ciMg2tB9lTp2VMcIrbE_TEWvamdU5QUrswS8wtJ6CFo5WzLAXP3q6uMZv11vBzyOeRQGXaUWQhUPk_dmQdnBuiIsEtVCXSIrmunr21Azoh.DCk8HlB_RPb4JBAF61ShNqtjFJPrW1N403FZ.n36y.gVRDeH76zKu1iaBCy7bUGrAD_YBize8kWtTYPSEKjdojKjnnSFNkiJDF3B56vGh7ym2UfJKzrfbi2_PqhfVasbR7rWHhOgzq90wEnrhlCg8- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:21:27 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8bf118410912220547m5e4d0e60o527fcb87c62010d9@mail.gmail.com> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: RE: LF: QOA? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA834C.B890C910" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.0 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600d4b3138b45ee0 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA834C.B890C910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How about ZAC? http://www.kloth.net/radio/zcodes.php Season's greetings and good DX 73, Dave G3WCB -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Dave Pick Sent: 22 December 2009 13:48 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: QOA? I think we need to get some badges made with QOA on them! Merry Christmas all. Dave G3YXM 2009/12/22 Petr Mal=FD Hi Lowfers, I looked for some Q-codes recently and one of them struck my eyes. Do you know what QOA means? It means "can you/I can work telegraphy on 500kHz". 73 and have a nice X-mass, Petr, OK1FIG __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4708 (20091222) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA834C.B890C910 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
How=20 about ZAC?
 
 
 
Season's greetings and good DX
 
73,=20 Dave G3WCB
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Dave= =20 Pick
Sent: 22 December 2009 13:48
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF:=20 QOA?

I think we need to get some badges made wit= h QOA on=20 them!

Merry Christmas all.

Dave G3YXM

2009/12/22 Petr Mal=FD <= p.maly@gmc.net>
Hi Lowfers,
 
I looked for some Q-codes recentl= y and one of=20 them struck my eyes.
Do you know what QOA means?
It means "can you/I can work tele= graphy on=20 500kHz".
 
73 and have a nice X-mass, Petr,= =20 OK1FIG


__________ Information from ESET NOD32= Antivirus,=20 version of virus signature database 4708 (20091222) __________
=
The=20 message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.

http://www.eset.com



--
G3YXM IO= 92BK Birmingham UK
------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA834C.B890C910-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de10.mx.aol.com (rly-de10.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.146]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE073-5094b2bb1e93c2; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:46:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE104-5094b2bb1e93c2; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:46:35 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLftV-0003gh-4V for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:41:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLftU-0003gY-PN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:41:32 +0000 Received: from mail-yx0-f203.google.com ([209.85.210.203]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLfwL-0005Io-3r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:44:31 +0000 Received: by yxe41 with SMTP id 41so10159928yxe.30 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 08:44:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=+SQpwi3gNgSjdy476NK3XQacNhX+g0aOMSAzR3b2hNQ=; b=J5qv+1zQN1DYvT5rALfYc+1IV8wPqZJR81uVZpPt97b9de1T+cCoJIqB6Epm0i50+U eXhyiKSPLKbejC7Yp5OWI2rijpsWYf5z7j7RE/EP0ICcl1n54qyfZa2lJQ/LQDDmHjWB zaoznhAkbNGp5d0xstkhDEummq+kaMwbj+unc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=H31Z3LZ/mJ+r/62N9UOa3geS9wb4liXnJ1Ce87hcz4QyDz5wZje3WkM96k3FufVPaw hwpE10/ntuPfKX4+yahWoqUvmz5U31YVU9AVmjxpasPErMruAtFJEa2CxK6TRC9XjVas 5qMHUJvGgIAJoVgKikYvKiM06dh1r2Gcy13Qc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.9.5 with SMTP id 5mr6742457ybi.31.1261154697971; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 08:44:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <573323820EB74A7CBE1147662C7C100D@ns94d01ae4d850> References: <573323820EB74A7CBE1147662C7C100D@ns94d01ae4d850> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:44:57 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca70912180844k42fc81a7w3853297c3fa92c12@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: xgj 18-12.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d253.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Thank you Henny for the capture! -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2009/12/18 henny van elst : > Hi Warren,LF > Capture XGJ > Henny cpm > best 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > xgj 18-12.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen > het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. > Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe > bijlagen worden afgehandeld. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.19]) by air-da01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA013-86394b3936e0c5; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:53:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BF0B23800013B; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:53:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPORu-00079Q-Hq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:52:26 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPORu-00079H-3f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:52:26 +0000 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPORq-0005Wd-Pn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:52:26 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiEFACPFOEtZ8FCI/2dsb2JhbACNOwbGUIQzBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,464,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="242021211" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.240.80.136]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2009 22:52:00 +0000 Message-ID: <00b501ca8810$5d64ecb0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:51:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: 502,55 kHz tonight. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B0_01CA8810.3F6A3620" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60134b3936df6297 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01CA8810.3F6A3620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael Cfm your report. QRL at present with XGR/6=20 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M. Sanders=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 10:41 PM Subject: LF: 502,55 kHz tonight. To All LF / G3KEV? Tonight started listening on 600m and copied slow CW by ear (compute= r psu still makes to much noise on 500kHz) 502,55kHz 22:27UTC: G3KEV XGR Please confirm transmission so I'll know I am on the right track imp= roving my station Rx for 500kHz. Kind regards, best 73's, Michael, PC4M ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01CA8810.3F6A3620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Michael
Cfm your report.
QRL at present with XGR/6
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M. Sander= s
Sent: Monday, December 28, 20= 09 10:41=20 PM
Subject: LF: 502,55 kHz tonig= ht.

To All LF / G3KEV?
 
Tonight started listening on 600m= and copied slow=20 CW by ear (computer psu still makes to much nois= e on=20 500kHz)
 
 
502,55kHz 22:27UTC: G3KEV XGR<= /FONT>
 
Please confirm transmission so I'll= know I am on=20 the right track improving my station Rx for 500kHz.
 
Kind regards, best 73's,
 
Michael, PC4M
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01CA8810.3F6A3620-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME094-9c64b2f5ba129e; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 06:27:42 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME072-9c64b2f5ba129e; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 06:27:31 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMgKD-00017f-BX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:21:17 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMgKC-00017W-Tl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:21:16 +0000 Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.42]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMgPE-00028M-L9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:26:29 +0000 Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nBLBQKJI005268 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 06:26:20 -0500 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.d09.574f4ab7 (34982) for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 06:26:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from Black (e179126108.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.179.126.108]) by cia-da08.mx.aol.com (v127.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA087-88a64b2f5b54ad; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 06:26:13 -0500 Message-ID: <37561FC472594BC4B5A88090C60F461F@Black> From: "Markus Vester" To: References: <035375487725449FBCB051DF5928E886@ns94d01ae4d850> In-Reply-To: <035375487725449FBCB051DF5928E886@ns94d01ae4d850> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 12:26:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: grabber Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA8238.C5487500" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA8238.C5487500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Henny, my pleasure - we have to thank Wolfgang for all the little extra featu= res in SpecLab. Here are some daytime fieldstrength estimates from this morning: 09:27 dj8wx 2 uV/m 09:27 pa3cpm 1.1 uV/m 09:32 oe5odl 2.3 uV/m (qrp 3 watts)=20 10:10 g3xiz 0.6 uV/m 11:15 dj6gt 1.7 uV/m Best wishes, Markus ----- Original Message -----=20 From: henny van elst=20 To: blacksheep=20 Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 11:55 AM Subject: LF: grabber Hello Marcus, I have on this moment only one frequentie,it is the ropex, thank You= for the private grabber Marcus, Henny pa3cpm pa3cpm best 73s ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA8238.C5487500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Henny,
 
my pleasure - we have to thank= Wolfgang for=20 all the little extra features in SpecLab.
 
Here are some daytime fieldstrength&n= bsp;estimates=20 from this morning:
 
09:27 dj8wx 2 uV/m
09:27 pa3cpm 1.1 uV/m
09:32 oe5odl 2.3 uV/m (qrp 3=20 watts) 
10:10 g3xiz 0.6 uV/m
11:15 dj6gt 1.7 uV/m
 
Best wishes,
Markus
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 21, 20= 09 11:55=20 AM
Subject: LF: grabber
=
Hello Marcus,
I have on this moment only one freq= uentie,it is=20 the ropex, thank You for the priv= ate grabber=20 Marcus,
 
Henny pa3cpm
pa3cpm
best 73s
<= /BODY> ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA8238.C5487500-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db03.mx.aol.com (rly-db03.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.78]) by air-db10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB101-ab64b2665091e1; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:17:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB034-ab64b2665091e1; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:17:16 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKDZa-0004LP-Gi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:14:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKDZa-0004LC-1w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:14:58 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKDaW-00060e-RH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:15:59 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3529.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 71FE51C0008C for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:16:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3529.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5BE4C1C00091 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:16:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk (unknown [91.107.168.205]) by mwinf3529.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0A6271C0008C for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:16:01 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20091214161602427.0A6271C0008C@mwinf3529.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:15:38 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: David Pratt References: <000a01ca7cd5$f79adc40$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <000a01ca7cd5$f79adc40$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-M () X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: DIODE Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) In a recent message, mal hamilton wrote ... >MF Grp >Does anyone have spec for a BTY 96 UM=A0or BTY 98. Looks like a Big Amp >carrying=A0device I have the data sheets for the BTY95 and BTY99 from the Mullard=20 Technical Handbook, but they are Thyristors if that is a clue. 73 David G4DMP --=20 +- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | David M Pratt, Kippax, Leeds, UK | | http://www.g4dmp.co.uk | +- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (rly-ma06.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.50]) by air-ma09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA094-8b44b1fb3785d; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:26:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA066-8b44b1fb3785d; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:26:02 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NINTY-00029F-V5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:25:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NINTY-000296-Db for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:25:08 +0000 Received: from web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.127]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NINTY-0003JW-8f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:25:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 94600 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Dec 2009 14:25:02 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1260368702; bh=A/nudo5sxt39CJHM+ujT/Cse1paM65yB1fTzXDI6YMQ=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BhIAiVXZMFuSB2CuEs653ORqDCMkxIfXsXbidPjMzYSY8ePoD72rgq4qD8hFz5iRwS8yDYpl+34/4fL6D4/WUoc5GuBW++htWjvPmSUfMz9A49u/yjzNYwVFLC/Ome0Q2MPul5ZTmJETeNKbWx2N8kXioAJXkNdQs5cCGqr4HEY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=M28nfLgjvev7vlKoWSMbve7TTzlDc8H9ILUYXJI2rm953IYT0JJL2LnjolTFiImRaaS5hNtzWxnW2pAiXd8iZPhrvOMXJZtKdoDvNR085SUKvX1iOr5nAlXRtVL5EDKUFZ7foYnLCef3fOhCeSzJ32L6UZXcuvcLeYUSEyn7aUc=; Message-ID: <172358.94131.qm@web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: XzfHsfgVM1mL605ufJ_jCBq4nY0HHaLyJixV8h7aXr_cm6W3ue7jY_q8O8GlkAEFvhkTmQOffEYDmulJTu04gdgfULyVJtKW6TpKa9je.45ebBd4oHHvwh8fCyngXyZtImD4mQtjJyql57fYTT2D8w1YfkTfnBUG2szw1lHOKwpd.zqumHRTrl_JfjJ9o2S91uFLrbdh9fvB71JhHw0zAwvdBGIcxCbw47Vzv.8pBJJazmKJHmxy6SFYfLPhqoiuJrrTuE1vSfQnMRNTqho- Received: from [86.152.84.183] by web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 06:25:01 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 06:25:01 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4B1FAEF7.3020706@telia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: SAQ Testing Now Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1199746583-1260368701=:94131" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m224.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-1199746583-1260368701=:94131 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes I can see the backwave clearly here abt 5db above the noise the carrie= r is dead on 17.2 now with very little pulling. =A0FB signal up also but= drops with CW keying. Really loud now!!!! about 23 dB over my noise floor= . =A0 73 petefmt --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Johan H. Bodin wrote: From: Johan H. Bodin Subject: Re: LF: SAQ Testing Now To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 14:06 Horst St=F6cker wrote: > SAQ seems to continue testing now . . . Yes. My QTH is only 80km from SAQ so I can easily hear the "backwave" signal which is about 17dB below key-down power. As a few kilowatts are leaking out when the TX is idling, I am able to hear when they adjust the r.p.m. even with key up! Here is some nice aerial photography (in a double sense!) of SAQ: http://www.hitta.se/LargeMap.aspx?ShowTraffic=3Dfalse&Filter=3D378&ShowSat= ellite=3Dtrue&cx=3D6337105&cy=3D1293998&z=3D10&tip=3D1 Click on zoom[10] to find the transmitter building and then zoom out and pan to look at the whole station. The logperiodic antenna just above the north corner of the TX building is made by Rohde & Schwarz, I believe. The FM/TV station of Varberg is located near tower #3 (counting from the TX building). 73 Johan SM6LKM =20 --0-1199746583-1260368701=:94131 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes I can see the backwave clearly her= e abt 5db above the noise the carrier is dead on 17.2 now with very little= pulling.  FB signal up also but drops with CW keying. Really loud no= w!!!! about 23 dB over my noise floor.
 
73 petefmt

--- On Wed, 9/12/09, Johan H. Bodin <jh.bo= din@telia.com> wrote:

From: Johan H. Bodin <jh.bodin@telia.com>= ;
Subject: Re: LF: SAQ Testing Now
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<= BR>Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 14:06

Horst St=F6cker wrote:
> SAQ seems to continu= e testing now . . .

Yes. My QTH is only 80km from SAQ so I can easi= ly hear the "backwave"
signal which is about 17dB below key-down power.= As a few kilowatts are
leaking out when the TX is idling, I am able to= hear when they adjust
the r.p.m. even with key up!

Here is some= nice aerial photography (in a double sense!) of SAQ:

http://www.hitta.se/LargeMap.aspx?ShowTraffic=3Dfals= e&Filter=3D378&ShowSatellite=3Dtrue&cx=3D6337105&cy=3D1293= 998&z=3D10&tip=3D1

Click on zoom[10] to find the transm= itter building and then zoom out and
pan to look at the whole station.= The logperiodic antenna just above the
north corner of the TX building= is made by Rohde & Schwarz, I believe.
The FM/TV station of Varberg is located near tower #3 (counti= ng from the
TX building).

73
Johan SM6LKM



=20 --0-1199746583-1260368701=:94131-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df06.mx.aol.com (rly-df06.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.19]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF072-5584b2a260a65; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 07:37:39 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF063-5584b2a260a65; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 07:37:31 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLFXz-0004UP-TO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:33:35 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLFXz-0004UG-E3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:33:35 +0000 Received: from web86507.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.132]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLFak-0004Bi-1i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:36:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 11815 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2009 12:36:20 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1261053380; bh=wt5IuWXIU0cHUD6pZkyniLd8G3k1cp1lm+4h+Bnhx5I=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XySkpQlos7uoDqxUqQ5G71z4AoAZ2flYk5SP6XnxMyUhS48r6YRw1tnWuBQH9TkXtNJtIrrkItY/WcVvqt7ERk6ZEH5+qbynr1Tb/Nut6qkDtmJqATfOpUxXj9MTEF94ewgKMCJB8Gp1xRYnC9YLjDuqzS30P+nfxyuBVpagBe4= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NMrAccjsVmm17XtfXXxQ3vC89bjcPYX+xtidSyGdWIhjKK8WJHo9ZQoWIv0TPuAQ9UrHxDSbzeTi2YMEBNAzER4Rj7w8zRbNsQMdpc2l0r+VuK4+CwIe2uwh6lBZ0gRK0QqsmnEz8yi1Tf+2srclM16qYsG5UmSrtW1gc0oFoyw=; Message-ID: <702467.6526.qm@web86507.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: DxrEleEVM1lAs9Po8VNGwJpdiR4Wptt4jBnYeAge3T2czFQoYs8kVyNMz3py6nuESVKbfvT2CqsTHS0JqXHB1poSTppoVbqsJVvCO0Z5vTRNgI9w7Ixxf8RW81jdJ5ytMjMP7L_26cZGtybLYochjYZdtUNQsiw8t6dqB8n4SFO6rl7zcphEdpRDmX2QsX6s1xvRtRtP88yGv2WB7tTlYXSxUl0Lcc3vt_9v2iQm9MeyY56SPEfwCbWoocLCeZ68YLSWTn8bqTvTXO8DdHuZzQQFsop.PHKPLX_2zwjKM_ifWkLqOPKC4GEGqqC7waM- Received: from [213.122.63.29] by web86507.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:36:20 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:36:20 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <20091217110355.6828A31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Fw: DE KU4XR - [NZ4O Spaceweather] Some Solar Cycle 24 Firsts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m274.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass Hi Rik please watch Dst index for a measure the severity and rate of retur= n of good conditions :-)) Alan G3NYK =20 --- On Thu, 17/12/09, Rik Strobbe wrote: > From: Rik Strobbe > Subject: Re: LF: Fw: DE KU4XR - [NZ4O Spaceweather] Some Solar Cycle 24= Firsts > To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" > Date: Thursday, 17 December, 2009, 11:03 > Can someone please stop this ;-) > It will spoil propagation on LF/MF >=20 > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >=20 > At 15:53 16/12/2009, you wrote: >=20 > >Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. > >LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29866 KHz ( QRSS-60 ) > >Coordinates: N: 35* 43' 54" - W: 84* > 3' 16" > >http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr > >http://webpages.charter.net/ku4xr/ > > > > > >--- On Wed, 12/16/09, Thomas F. Giella NZ4O > wrote: > > > > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o4.htm > > > > > > Sunspot group #11035 near N30W13 has grown into > the largest > > > (seven times larger than the Earth) and > most magnetically complex > > > (beta-gamma) sunspot group of solar cycle > 24. At 0102 UTC the sunspot > > > group released a small C5.3 solar flare, > the largest solar flare of > > > Solar cycle 24. More small C class=20 > solar flares are possible, with a > > > chance for an isolated medium size M > class solar flare. > > > > > > #11035 also produced the first partially > geoeffective (Earth facing) > > > coronal mass ejection (CME) of solar cycle > 24. The CME will arrive > > > at Earth in a approximately two days and > could spark a geomagnetic > > > storm and visible aurora. Another > geoeffective CME is possible, with an > > > associated sudden ionosphere disturbance (SID) > and shortwave fadeout > > > > > > The sunspot count is 38 which is the highest of > solar cycle 24. The > > > solar flux index is 82 which is tied for the > highest SFI of solar > > > Cycle 24. With the increased sunspot count we > should see improved > > > propagation conditions on 15 and 12 meters. > > > > > > 73, GUD DX, Merry X-mas & Happy New Year, > > > Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O > > > Lakeland, FL, USA > > > nz4o@arrl.net > > > eList Owner/Moderator > > > John 3:16 <>< > > > > > > COL LF/MF/HF/VHF/UHF Frequency Radiowave > Propagation Email > > > Reflector: > > > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/spaceweather > > > NZ4O Daily Solar Space Weather & Geomagnetic > Data > > > Archive: > > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o1.htm > > > NZ4O Solar Space Weather & Geomagnetic Data > In Graphic > > > & Image Format: > > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o2.htm > > > NZ4O Daily LF/MF/HF/6M Frequency Radiowave > Propagation > > > Forecast & Archive: > > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o3.htm > > > NZ4O Solar Cycle 24 Forecast Discussion & > Archive: > > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o4.htm > > > NZ4O 160 Meter Radio Propagation Theory Notes: > > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o5.htm > > > NZ4O Solar Space Weather & Geomagnetic Raw > Forecast > > > Data Links: > > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o6.htm > > > Harmful Man Induced Climate Change (Global > Warming) > > > Refuted: > > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/globalwarminglie.htm > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Spaceweather mailing list > > > Spaceweather@contesting.com > > > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/spaceweather > > > > > > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (rly-dc03.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.32]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC023-b114b193c5e132; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:44:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC035-b114b193c5e132; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:44:17 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGbFU-0008HL-EV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:43:16 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGbFT-0008HA-Bk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:43:15 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGbFQ-0006rN-7J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:43:15 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (co02-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDFDE13413C for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 16:43:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps01.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.136] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.58V) with ESMTP id XID838NLDqrF4665X02; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:43:05 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.136 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps01.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID838NLDqrF4665X02 Received: from [192.168.1.3] [151.47.209.234] by cmsapps01.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 047NLDqrc3872M36; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:43:02 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.209.234 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.3] Message-ID: <4B193C13.7060400@usa.net> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:42:59 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001e01ca74ec$b9770790$6402a8c0@e7010> In-Reply-To: <001e01ca74ec$b9770790$6402a8c0@e7010> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID047NLDqrc3872X36 X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=1.639,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.001 Subject: LF: Activity on 500 kHz Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------000801040603060909000101" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_04, HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_06,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,MIME_HTML_ONLY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --------------000801040603060909000101 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some activity recorded on the 500 kHz band this afternoon.

DI2AG :



DI2AM in QRSS3



OK0EMW in QRSS3   at 505091 Hz (abt) in JN88ks


(some QSB...)



73  Alberto  I2PHD


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(rly-dd04.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.151]) by air-dd04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD042-b764b280d4a173; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:27:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD048-b764b280d4a173; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:27:24 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKfnz-0003C8-2N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:23:43 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKfny-0003Bz-Fp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:23:42 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKfpq-00072s-L7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:25:40 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3516.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP 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autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009A_01CA7DD5.80EE3000" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01CA7DD5.80EE3000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gus ..did you finish the work on the Ae system, pity no copy= in to Kabul ! 73 - G ..=20 From: Gus=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 9:56 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9 Graham, Gus run 3 W ERP. de Gus ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:19 PM Subject: Re: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9 Is Gus running 3 watts to the Ae or 3 watts ERP ? G ..=20 From: Anton B=E4rtschi=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 7:13 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9 The SM6BHZ Beacon on 600m is 579 here tonight. Not bad for 3W.=20 Why WSPR when CW works fine? What a wonderfull band! 73 de Toni, HB9ASB ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01CA7DD5.80EE3000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Gus  ..did  you  fi= nish the =20 work on the Ae system, pity  no copy in to  Kabul !
 
73 - G ..

From: Gus
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9

Graham,
 
Gus run 3=20 W ERP.
 
de Gus
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Sent: Tuesday, December 15,= 2009 10:19=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: SM6BHZ stron= g in=20 HB9

Is Gus  running  3 watts&= nbsp; to=20 the  Ae or  3 watts  ERP ?
 
G ..

Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 7:13 PM
Subject: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9

The SM6BHZ Beacon on 600m is 579 here tonight. Not ba= d for 3W.=20
Why WSPR when CW works fine? What a wonderfull band!
73 de To= ni,=20 HB9ASB




------=_NextPart_000_009A_01CA7DD5.80EE3000-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf01.mx.aol.com (rly-mf01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.171]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF083-93d4b1b89c019f; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 05:39:02 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF013-93d4b1b89c019f; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 05:38:57 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHEV4-0003p2-KA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:37:58 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHEV4-0003ot-3m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:37:58 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHEV2-0007br-JS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:37:58 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.2]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091206103751.OYTT17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:37:51 +0000 Received: from [81.109.251.184] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHEUw-0002nC-PH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:37:51 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <002801ca765e$f543b8e0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:37:48 -0000 Message-ID: <014901ca7660$280f74c0$0317aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: Acp2Xx8lk/es8ehdTA+JpXAivDKBWwAALnEg In-Reply-To: <002801ca765e$f543b8e0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1ggfb5FlKZQUfF3vzm9UBYZ2uTfLsbs/8dSljwg5+mE= c=1 sm=0 a=G3HjZlJWFUjfCc0tRmUA:9 a=i64hDNs-1bkOaJpLtfj4uO9NRckA:4 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=vpyTknAUggP642LdSNwA:9 a=XawM3DxXBqa5azPjD-4A:7 a=ULq_Lv7kDhRWrbU7DflQf70NKiQA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: 500 pirate Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_014A_01CA7660.280F74C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_014A_01CA7660.280F74C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ooaarr Jim lad!! Pieces of 8 Mal - u r clear at my qth and I called back on CWup (unusual procedure). Glad you copied me, I will add your QTH to my list of stations reached Thanks for the email QSL Best regards Jim G7NKS (New Key Sender?) ------=_NextPart_000_014A_01CA7660.280F74C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ooa= arr Jim lad!!   Pieces of 8

 

Mal=   - u r clear at my qth and I called back on CWup (unusual procedure).  Glad you copi= ed me, I will add your QTH to my list of stations reached

 

Tha= nks for the email QSL

 

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Jim= G7NKS (New Key Sender?)

------=_NextPart_000_014A_01CA7660.280F74C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (rly-dc04.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.33]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC024-b194b155c54196; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:11:47 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC045-b194b155c54196; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:11:34 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFXAr-0002LM-N0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:10:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFXAr-0002LD-Ao for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:10:05 +0000 Received: from mbox1.netikka.net ([213.250.81.202]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFXAq-0000n4-GF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:10:05 +0000 Received: from tupu.netikka.net (tupu [172.16.83.90]) by mbox1-feedback.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BA132717FD for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:09:58 +0200 (EET) Received: from imp1.netikka.net (imp1.netikka.net [213.250.85.154]) by tupu.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5879F4B0060 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:09:58 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imp1.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 843B2495BD4 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:09:58 +0200 (EET) Received: from 558602b6.adsl.multi.fi (558602b6.adsl.multi.fi [85.134.2.182]) by imp.netikka.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:09:58 +0200 Message-ID: <1259690998.4b155bf680314@imp.netikka.net> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:09:58 +0200 From: Paul-Henrik To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3FCC9C19DE674B15A385181E7EFC37C1@Black>, <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAC5@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B152CAB.4987.61D1EE@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4B152CAB.4987.61D1EE@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 85.134.2.182 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: any traffic this evening? Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="-MOQ125969099813685cffe3272d50840f0bae388ba644" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 ---MOQ125969099813685cffe3272d50840f0bae388ba644 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Mike, LF Both visible and audible here despite no CW filter and fierce BC IMD. IC-R75 & Mini Whip @ 6m AGL 73 Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ Vaasa / KP03SD Quoting Mike Dennison : > Stefan, I can transmit a QRSS3 beacon for you on 136.318kHz from 1800 > to 2100UTC, if you like. > > Mike, G3XDV > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > > Will there be any activity this evening? I want to try my RX-Antenna > > and need some signals, if possible in QRSS3/DFCW3. If it will, I would > > drive to "my" hill and do some tests. It would be at around 19 utc. > > > > > > > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > > > > > > > ---MOQ125969099813685cffe3272d50840f0bae388ba644 Content-Type: image/pjpeg; name="G3XDV_20091201_1805UTC.JPG" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="G3XDV_20091201_1805UTC.JPG" /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQEAYABgAAD/2wBDAAgGBgcGBQgHBwcJCQgKDBQNDAsLDBkSEw8UHRofHh0a HBwgJC4nICIsIxwcKDcpLDAxNDQ0Hyc5PTgyPC4zNDL/2wBDAQkJCQwLDBgNDRgyIRwhMjIyMjIy MjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjL/wAARCAAeAU4DASIA AhEBAxEB/8QAHwAAAQUBAQEBAQEAAAAAAAAAAAECAwQFBgcICQoL/8QAtRAAAgEDAwIEAwUFBAQA AAF9AQIDAAQRBRIhMUEGE1FhByJxFDKBkaEII0KxwRVS0fAkM2JyggkKFhcYGRolJicoKSo0NTY3 ODk6Q0RFRkdISUpTVFVWV1hZWmNkZWZnaGlqc3R1dnd4eXqDhIWGh4iJipKTlJWWl5iZmqKjpKWm p6ipqrKztLW2t7i5usLDxMXGx8jJytLT1NXW19jZ2uHi4+Tl5ufo6erx8vP09fb3+Pn6/8QAHwEA AwEBAQEBAQEBAQAAAAAAAAECAwQFBgcICQoL/8QAtREAAgECBAQDBAcFBAQAAQJ3AAECAxEEBSEx BhJBUQdhcRMiMoEIFEKRobHBCSMzUvAVYnLRChYkNOEl8RcYGRomJygpKjU2Nzg5OkNERUZHSElK 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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CA78CA.5299F9B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me09.mx.aol.com (rly-me09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.43]) by air-me10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME103-9d74b17b26f306; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:43:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME093-9d74b17b26f306; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:43:29 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGB0g-0001gP-Sy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:42:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGB0g-0001gG-IB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:42:14 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.34]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGB0f-0004xg-Un for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:42:14 +0000 Received: from pc1 (ndb.demon.nl [82.161.81.65]) by smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nB3CgCWg052012 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:42:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:42:10 -0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Roelof Bakker" MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <1259777260.4b16acec27aa8@imp.netikka.net> <4B179D08.3030706@ukonline.co.uk> Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4B179D08.3030706@ukonline.co.uk> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.63 (Win32) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: LF, reducing common-mode noise Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Peter, Have you also been looking into the performance of bifiliar wound common mode chokes, e.g. 15 turns on the popular FT-37-43 Amidon ferrite toroid? These come in handy for receiver applications. Best regards, Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me01.mx.aol.com (rly-me01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.34]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME013-99c4b197d17311; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:20:34 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME018-99c4b197d17311; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:20:24 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGfYq-0002SJ-JC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:19:32 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGfYq-0002SA-5M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:19:32 +0000 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([195.4.92.90]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGfYp-0000cO-Eo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:19:32 +0000 Received: from [195.4.92.22] (helo=12.mx.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.70 #1) id 1NGfYo-00068n-NV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:19:30 +0100 Received: from g230105202.adsl.alicedsl.de ([92.230.105.202]:1416 helo=[192.168.0.100]) by 12.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #94) id 1NGfYo-0001jX-I8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:19:30 +0100 Message-ID: <4B197CE1.8020106@freenet.de> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:19:29 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Wolfgang_B=FCscher?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB4A@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Active Antenna Preamp of Bernd/DF8ZR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) No, it's not. At least not here. 73, Wolf. Tracey Gardner schrieb: > The URL is an invalid one > > Tracey From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.222]) by air-mg10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG101-8c624b35e83565; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 05:40:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F270A38000127; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 05:40:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOU3v-0004u0-Eg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:39:55 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOU3v-0004tr-34 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:39:55 +0000 Received: from msa-k1.u-netsurf.ne.jp ([202.233.11.14]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp>) id 1NOU3s-0003pR-TU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:39:55 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.5] (d25.HkanagawaFL59.vectant.ne.jp [122.103.154.25]) by msa-k1.u-netsurf.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CD0B34DAD for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:39:49 +0900 (JST) From: Rick Wakatori <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <6EFC885C8DAB4DC3A8454505BAF5D3A7@ns94d01ae4d850> References: <6EFC885C8DAB4DC3A8454505BAF5D3A7@ns94d01ae4d850> Organization: RLL Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:39:49 +0900 Message-Id: <1261823989.6451.9.camel@vaio3rd> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=9DWA=22?= beacon received at 503kHz. Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60de4b35e83454f0 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Using WSPR, I heard "WA" beacon in CW or QRSS at around 503kHz. The signal was visible on the screen during last night. Please let me know the callsign and the QTH? Rick -- -.. . --... .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-. 7L1RLL under ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP) URL=http://www1.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html -..--- -.- .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-... ...-. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (rly-dg01.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.85]) by air-dg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG024-5a14b14e9cd6; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 05:03:09 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG016-5a14b14e9cd6; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 05:02:55 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFPYO-0001Lw-KJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:01:52 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFPYO-0001Ln-43 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:01:52 +0000 Received: from mcgi66.rambler.ru ([81.19.67.202]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFPYL-0000zP-Qw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:01:52 +0000 Received: from mcgi66.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mcgi66.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D3F511598 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:01:44 +0300 (MSK) Received: from [91.77.91.6] by mcgi66.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:01:39 +0300 From: Roman RW3ADB To: Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:01:39 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <4B140806.10012.1E82610@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com>, <622008509.1259614024.60767016.44464@mcgi69.rambler.ru> <4B14340A.19336.294139D@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Message-Id: <184284307.1259661699.51648184.51749@mcgi66.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (untone), http://mail.rambler.ru X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: DX test 136.318kHz Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Mike! NIL for today. * Mike Dennison [Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:07:22 -0000]: > Roman, > > Thanks but I get an error message on that web address. What is a browser? http://qrss.nm.ru/ http://qrss.nm.ru/grabber.html Try again pse. Advertising pop up window on the main page qrss.nm.ru from the nm.ru company. > Mike > ==== > > > Hi Mike! > > Started my grabber on for the night overview. > > qrss.nm.ru > > > > * Mike Dennison [Mon, 30 Nov 2009 > > 17:59:34 -0000]: > I will be transmitting "XDV" overnight (1800 - 0900 > > UTC) tonight > using QRSS60 on 136.3180kHz. DX reports are welcome. > > > > Mike. G3XDV > ========== > > > > > > > -- > > Roman RW3ADB. > > > > > > > -- Roman RW3ADB. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db08.mx.aol.com (rly-db08.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.83]) by air-db08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB083-add4b1fe738127; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:06:55 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB083-add4b1fe738127; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:06:50 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIQuk-0003yh-9O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:05:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIQuj-0003yY-On for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:05:25 +0000 Received: from n61.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com ([98.136.44.37]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIQuj-0004rT-6J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:05:25 +0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n61.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2009 18:05:17 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.225] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2009 18:05:17 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.251] by t6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2009 18:05:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp412.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2009 18:05:17 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 773452.92398.bm@omp412.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 97510 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2009 18:05:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=JBKsCgOdSdLtIPnF75mc4si2VUp1LTKHCDWNE9XmwuN3xLKmR3U1T6S4Pi0iwoJlKTB8hEViTvHBqhnICIlS8lZdFWFPziJaEeFEpmm0RkfngjoHCa+hLMynlPMAxVuRtPRD6a2gNgKhV1jURlgtvhNKvCPrlUHJgc8uLhirFPk= ; Received: from host86-168-83-155.range86-168.btcentralplus.com (ken.h.wright@86.168.83.155 with login) by smtp148.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 09 Dec 2009 10:05:17 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9Y6mUHuswBAgnrOsukIiNdFDf95uy_Dz34nY1hlg2liKgYD952sjbg-- X-YMail-OSG: iF9YvLQVM1kaFrEoUje_nVUB.NKsGiJAjLaqIYgWCZqvz8ZnKQBnRva80kYACssbGwRwSBx8ievddunthv3bgrHn2MK_3aDhxWU9RTLTiDDUQC6YIotnQITEP9C62WCcBGlJkKPszajNSil42B_0rzSmJoASTRoWhCBgCmmR_o7T8WTzriPQbDb4SJTkf3wZMQZiaqVg9N0AacyxiQEEMhueovgVq7A0PXPAdXic6.PNrlIopJ5ACAECJ0x8VM_HAPeQCpGsXiDpPCJmPJ1Ca4mOXC7S1K1yDxy9cwTCK7WsvrgQGzhH4.94AAPrJY_p7IpAgVzoAeXLvRyQ1NP53bg2X9e99jzrZt.UpoDvQCydRqLc3uZPe34N0n9OP_hhdTXcBjsXYdFU.p12iFhBZRHv.N4QtnsBAAc- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <0B974CFD9D2443C5B7DB7BFC84DF640C@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <8B303A7ED38945AB81CCE7216314C304@lindavideo> <000901ca78f6$b1cc61d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 18:05:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Mal. I think my 500kHz Tx cost about 30, including aluminium sheet, Powdered Iron rings, a small vernier dial and one or two dead FETs. 73 Ken M0KHW ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 5:40 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: TX-2200A > Ken > Its certainly an expensive appliance. My 500 tx was built from the junk > box. > The xtals are 1945/50 vintage. > The FET came out of an old marine tx. > My IC 706 has output on 500 and just needs a filter to clean the sig up > and > a FET amp added to get some qro rf out.This rig then covers from 500 kcs - > 146mcs all mode capability and costs less. > de mal/g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 5:09 PM > Subject: LF: Re: TX-2200A > > >> More appliance operators Mal? >> >> 73 >> Ken >> M0KHW >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Warren Ziegler" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 3:30 PM >> Subject: LF: TX-2200A >> >> >> > Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 >> > Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver >> > muting. >> > Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! >> > >> > http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf >> > >> > >> > >> > 73 Warren K2ORS >> > WD2XGJ >> > WD2XSH/23 >> > WE2XEB/2 >> > WE2XGR/1 >> > >> >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf06.mx.aol.com (rly-mf06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.176]) by air-mf06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF062-96a4b16c124213; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:34:09 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF068-96a4b16c124213; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:33:58 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFuwu-000781-LU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:33:16 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFuwu-00077r-3j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:33:16 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFuwr-0007pX-NP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:33:16 +0000 Received: by pwi15 with SMTP id 15so369806pwi.4 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:33:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=va1ZP65am5eQYb7oLIpgm4VDXlGd94avjQWHMKpI0Es=; b=df9tUE/4MXZKIluM/TwOHiWe04FxH5mPfd/vHfK3DU3JWZMV327E+hnLgganQO1hyY SSvaTF4dVkLoktSnc6+NnwByOvLQAYZ9dH8laE8pqEGh/DFzbA9jOCfmCY3EttKoCRp7 uSIK6yyQtZ9WL7KMYFJRfhZzT4IJzXwh7qHJ8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=KzjCbkD+qNxprktKeZtcqwFdQAaXPCsYaz0DKHi6BbL9imFdQns++pfZhSSBAUTndC vk1lCR2CKI2xCGTOYl+ybq2vZdGvbLj30Z6OPuXicZNaIEVVe29K+pJlM0WqQO+BV+lF 3rP4Ib5ejNKhs3rZjp1sPsTT42G8a5cU0qz/Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.158.11 with SMTP id g11mr37702rve.33.1259782385199; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:33:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B16987B.9000002@usa.net> References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B16987B.9000002@usa.net> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:33:05 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8cabb7bf801740c1 Message-ID: <1f0624b90912021133v6a61a9dfkd07160d88b7d3a7e@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1465c906cd90479c3f18e X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m220.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1465c906cd90479c3f18e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alberto, LF, I tried that arrangement with my PA0RDT Mini-Whip active antenna inside a large baked beans can, the can being the antenna & the results were a lot poorer than the small 30mm x 45mm of the original design, I have also trie= d adding a 500mm whip to the original with poorer results also. So now I use the Mini-Whip as originally designed by Roelof. You can see the results on my grabbers. http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html 73 Gary - G4WGT. 2009/12/2 Alberto di Bene > Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > >> >> My Conclusion: It seems that a short receiving antenna can bee seen as= a >> capacitive divider out of the capacity between far field and antenna an= d the >> capacity between antenna and ground. If the wire length is to much, the >> input stage becomes nonlinear/goes into saturation. If the height above >> ground is increased the signal comes up, but not the signal/noise >> ratio(surely there will be a benefit if such an antenna is placed in a >> region with heavy local qrm. Then, the height should be increased and= the >> wire length can be decreased). So, one cannot say =93the more the bette= r=94 >> talking about the wire length! >> > > It would be quite interesting if somebody could try to use, instead of= a > wire, something > with a greater capacity towards ground, e.g. a can of beer (after drinki= ng > the beer, of course...:-) > One of half liter (slightly more than 1 pint) could do, I think... > > Maybe the increased capacity towards ground could make it more effective > than a wire > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > P.S. And the entire active antenna circuitry could be placed inside the > can... > > > > --000e0cd1465c906cd90479c3f18e Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alberto, LF,

I tried that arrangement with my PA0RDT Mi= ni-Whip active antenna inside a large baked beans can, the can being the= antenna & the results were a lot poorer than the small 30mm x 45mm of= the original design, I have also tried adding a 500mm whip to the origina= l with poorer results also. So now I use the Mini-Whip as originally desig= ned by Roelof. You can see the results on my grabbers.

73

Gary - G4WGT.

2009/1= 2/2 Alberto di Bene <dibene@usa.net>
Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote:

My Conclusion: It seems that a short receiving antenna can bee seen as a= capacitive divider out of the capacity between far field and antenna and= the capacity between antenna and ground. If the wire length is to much,= the input stage becomes nonlinear/goes into saturation. If the height abo= ve ground is increased the signal comes up, but not the signal/noise ratio= (surely there will be a benefit if such an antenna is placed in a region= with heavy local qrm. Then, the height should be increased and the wire= length can be decreased). So, one cannot say =93the more the better=94 ta= lking about the wire length!

It would be quite interesting if somebody could try to use, instead of a= wire, something
with a greater capacity towards ground, e.g. a can of beer (after drinking= the beer, of course...:-)
One of half liter (slightly more than 1 pint) could do, I think...

Maybe the increased capacity towards ground could make it more effective= than a wire

73 =A0Alberto =A0I2PHD

P.S. And the entire active antenna circuitry could be placed inside the ca= n...




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2009.12.26.162716 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: LF: LF/MF X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404c4b363bb457d9 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Why are the topics affecting 500 kHz not marked as "MF: ..." in the subjec= t? I thought this is the reason why we write "LF: ..." in the subject of mail= s affecting 137 kHZ? Or have I misunderstood "the rules"? Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da09.mx.aol.com (rly-da09.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.83]) by air-da09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA094-a8a4b19364cb9; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:18:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA092-a8a4b19364cb9; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:18:21 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGaqV-0007pp-9x for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:17:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGaqU-0007pg-Sw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:17:26 +0000 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGaqU-0005Nc-2r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:17:26 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsYEAAfFGEtcHB1d/2dsb2JhbACCJSuLTwbJJIQzBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,342,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="270589699" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([92.28.29.93]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Dec 2009 16:17:20 +0000 Message-ID: <001701ca74fd$41310540$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <59DC6AF25071476FA37B42E3896BC627@radiorummet> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 16:17:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01CA74FD.3FAC6110" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01CA74FD.3FAC6110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gus WSPR might be better at the bottom end of the band between 135.7 and= 136.4 khz well away from the CW area 136.6 - 137.5 khz=20 and EU QRSS 137.5 - 137.8 khz also DX window for NA de mal/g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gus=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 3:55 PM Subject: LF: WSPR on 137 kHz Hello LF-group, this evening i will transmit, WSPR on 137.650 kHz 136.150 kHz dial.= Power abt 50 mW ERP. Transmitter start at 16:00 GMT All reports are welcome. You can also log on,=20 www.sm6bhz.com 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01CA74FD.3FAC6110 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gus
WSPR might be better at the bottom en= d of the band=20 between 135.7 and 136.4 khz well away from the CW area 136.6 -=20 137.5 khz 
 and EU QRSS 137.5 - 137.8 khz= also DX window=20 for NA
 
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From:=20 Gus=
Sent: Friday, December 04, 20= 09 3:55=20 PM
Subject: LF: WSPR on 137 kHz<= /DIV>

Hello=20 LF-group,
this=20 evening i will transmit, WSPR on 137.650 kHz 136.150 kHz dial. Power abt 50 mW ERP.=
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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df06.mx.aol.com (rly-df06.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.19]) by air-df05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF054-55b4b23fa3b2b8; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:17:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF066-55b4b23fa3b2b8; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:17:01 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJYNv-0003Ok-AX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:16:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJYNv-0003Ob-0A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:16:11 +0000 Received: from sighthound.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.126]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJYO0-0002N4-9T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:16:18 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.4] (rx1.twatt.home [192.168.1.4]) by deerhound.twatt.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C7843B4B4 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:16:15 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4B23FA0F.9090802@sighthound.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:16:15 +0000 From: John P-G User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <01b701ca7b59$2df22470$0417aac0@desktop> In-Reply-To: <01b701ca7b59$2df22470$0417aac0@desktop> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G3KEV loud and clear at G7NKS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) James Cowburn wrote: > CQ QSK CQ QSK. Almost as if it were an unattended beacon...! From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (rly-mg10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.116]) by air-mg03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG032-a3c4b2d0a8ec2; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:17:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG106-a3c4b2d0a8ec2; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:17:04 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NM2qS-0002Mf-MC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:11:56 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NM2qS-0002MW-97 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:11:56 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.29]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NM2uT-0005NV-BD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:16:07 +0000 Received: from pc1 (ndb.demon.nl [82.161.81.65]) by smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBJHFwOT028561 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:16:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:15:54 -0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Roelof Bakker" MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <346854e9698cbf94f4483c66682bb63b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.63 (Win32) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear James, > I think the role of the ground with active whips is often neglected - > the output of the whip preamp is the voltage differential between the > whip element and the circuit ground, so the ground connection is just as > much part of the antenna as the whip element itself is. Clearly, an > electrically quiet ground is needed for the active whip, whether this is > provided by the coax feeder or a seperate local ground connection. It seems that the requirements for a ground connection are quite relaxed. I have tested a completely isolated system with the coax running horizontal tied to a non conduction mast and shoved out of an upstairs window. Signal strength received with the same system and the mast vertical mounted in the garden to put the antenna at the same location in space, was within one dB for a vertical polarised signal. I have also build a system with CAT5 cable as a balanced feeder. One twisted pair was used for RF, the other for power feed. At both ends of the RF pair rf-isolating transformers were used. This resulted in a very low local noise pick up. Using a common mode choke at the antenna end does not change anything at all either. My guess is that the antenna element is so small, that even a small (capacitive) coupling is good ebnough for a ground. Best regards, Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg06.mx.aol.com (rly-dg06.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.90]) by air-dg01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG013-5cf4b3667a7314; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 14:45:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG062-5cf4b3667a7314; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 14:44:40 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOcY6-0006xm-OV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:43:38 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOcY6-0006xd-2v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:43:38 +0000 Received: from outbound-jn.dca.untd.com ([64.136.47.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOcY3-0005yI-L9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:43:38 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=juno.com; s=alpha; t=1261856609; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=X-UNTD-OriginStamp:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:From; b=BgIK4jwgIk0f1jXJEZ8e4tkmu8JYkSUBY+AyreeYKJvZI6tmjaEHMtgXWPJ3icnJP OMggaYOU1X67X0FVgoGTbCv4uLq2VX+Jy6//YvqbwLQ1kCPFx7xyvLi1xHZgk/2kzX HpVhRKb4oeCMMO5arfBMy1Ao66dy1hrx4coO0ZVo= X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-jn.dca.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFVN33NAJX8T9J for (sender ); Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:42:36 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: g21GJOtXAsiQ/71APa81vpgcr++KzP/JZVuUlakNIKeQ3kH2HzrcMQ== Received: (from cw4ever4@juno.com) by m04.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id P2QW8L67; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:42:10 PST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 14:41:27 -0500 Message-ID: <20091226.144128.11516.4.cw4ever4@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.1.83 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,10,16-20,22-81 From: Robert H Reif X-UNTD-BodySize: 2880 X-ContentStamp: 31:15:3323041576 X-MAIL-INFO:318e6ec79e6e279e2727570fce57b3be5bb78a738adbf31b5b4fca674a170b17ca8bbf6eaea30fa38bce7b3be383e35a3fcf9b378733efaf8ebf8f0ebe7e4e9f037b3e3efb4b2fab3e03df433b3abec33b8a379b5ab7bba73b3f076a375e9f9f X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.dca.untd.com|cw4ever4@juno.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beacon & WSPR 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d267.2 ; domain : juno.com DKIM : pass Hello, Graham, Rik, and All, Joe K1JT was kind enough to modify the WSPR program to accommodate our long calls with the /. It takes two, 2 minute transmissions to send the full call, grid, and power. You may see decodes that look like <...> followed by the grid and/or power. WSPR has not decoded the call yet but only the second part of the complete message. With a marginal signal and fades, this may be all you will get. I don't know how long it stores the second half (or the first half) of the message to splice it together. Joe also added the CW ID feature to version 2.0 which is required by our experimental license. He has been very supportive of our 600 meter efforts. The set up here is 100 watts to a wire, 35 ft inverted L with two top loading wires each about 100 ft long. I am really surprised (and pleased) to get across with this setup. I am inland from the coast and the path to Eu is over land till the path goes over salt water off the coast of New Brunswick, Canada. Want to raise the antenna a bit more and increase the top loading but that may not happen till spring now. 73 and Happy New Year. Bob WD2XSH/37 FN42fo On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:34:15 +0100 Rik Strobbe writes: > Graham, Rick, Bob, > > I guess that when the CW id of a WSPR station is audible there > should > be solid copy in WSPR. > But, as mentioned by Bob, WSPR 2.0 was used to transmit the unusual > > WD2XSH/37 callsign. I noticed that older version of WSPR do not copy > > this properly, even when the signal is strong. > I have been running WSPR2 and WSPR1.1 simultaniously for some days > > (the first spotting as ON7YD the other as OR7T) and noticed that > WD2XSH/37 produced all kinds of odd messages with WSPR1.1. WSPR2 > decodes OK. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting Graham : > > > Rick, > > > > Looks like wd2x .. was the station .. you can check what > stations are > > operating at : http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/spots > > > > 2009-12-24 03:38 WD2XSH/37 0.503912 -26 0 FN42fo 2 > ON7YD > > JO20ix 5615 52 > > > > G.. > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Rick Wakatori" <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> > > Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 10:39 AM > > To: > > Subject: LF: "WA" beacon received at 503kHz. > > > >> > >> Using WSPR, I heard "WA" beacon in CW or QRSS at around 503kHz. > >> The signal was visible on the screen during last night. > >> Please let me know the callsign and the QTH? > >> Rick > >> -- > >> -.. . --... .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-. > >> 7L1RLL under ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP) > >> URL=http://www1.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html > >> -..--- -.- .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-... ...-. > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=yi9iW2lTPi_FlJuAPbZNdQAAJ1D5rfaR-77IPsUFbn2LcZ2XAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg03.mx.aol.com (rly-mg03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.109]) by air-mg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG064-a044b2f878122a; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:35:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG036-a044b2f878122a; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:34:42 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMjFF-0001kr-GZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:28:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMjFF-0001ki-2v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:28:21 +0000 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMjJS-0005uJ-2o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:32:44 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwEADEWL0tOlqc1/2dsb2JhbACOCwbHYYIlggkE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,431,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="357926464" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.150.167.53]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2009 14:33:30 +0000 Message-ID: <001701ca824a$904740e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <001401ca8222$5ce76d10$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <9afca2640912210535v7922b3d4ned743d26dfd2a412@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:33:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF ACTY Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01CA824A.8FD01510" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01CA824A.8FD01510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Turn the wick up and someone might hear u. The DL, SM, LA and EIOCF ar= e booming in here day and nite. g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 1:35 PM Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF ACTY Mal, I called CQ on 12wpm CW a few times just now on 500kHz, but no taker= s. There is always activity on 500kHz WSPR. Reports of my 1mW ERP signa= l received from 4 different stations (so far) in the last hour or so= out to 237kms.=20 73s Roger G3XBM 2009/12/21 mal hamilton I have never heard LF/MF so quiet over the years since it all star= ted. In the past most of the DX that I have worked was around XMAS tim= e. The wx at present in Scarborough is minus 2 C and covered in 6 inch= es of snow but it is not effecting my antennas so far even although th= ere is some ice on the wires. Now calling CQ on 502.6 kcs and looking for acty also on 137 kcs= CW=20 De mal/g3kev --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01CA824A.8FD01510 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Turn the wick up and someone might he= ar u. The DL,=20 SM, LA and EIOCF are booming in here day and nite.
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 21, 20= 09 1:35=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF ACTY

Mal,

I called CQ on 12wpm CW a few times just= now on=20 500kHz, but no takers.

There is always activity on 500= kHz WSPR.=20 Reports of my 1mW ERP signal received from 4 different stations (so= far) in=20 the last hour or so out to 237kms.

73s
Roger G3XBM
2009/12/21 mal hamilton <= ;g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
I have never heard LF/MF so quiet= over the=20 years since it all started. In the past most of the DX that I have= worked=20 was around XMAS time. The wx at present in Scarborough is minus 2= C and=20 covered in 6 inches of snow but it is not effecting my antennas so= far even=20 although there is some ice on the wires.
Now calling CQ on 502.6 kcs and= looking for=20 acty also on 137 kcs CW
De mal/g3kev
 
 



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------=_NextPart_000_0014_01CA824A.8FD01510-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (rly-mb03.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.161]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB042-cfc4b202ee821b; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:13:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB038-cfc4b202ee821b; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:12:41 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIVhF-0006DS-ND for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:11:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIVhF-0006DJ-3K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:11:49 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIVhD-0006kB-Ab for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:11:49 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D692ACFD9 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 23:11:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps04.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.133] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.58V) with ESMTP id XID366NLiXLO7728X01; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:11:40 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.133 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps04.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID366NLiXLO7728X01 Received: from [192.168.1.4] [151.47.210.89] by cmsapps04.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 529NLiXLl6272M40; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:11:37 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.210.89 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.4] Message-ID: <4B202EA6.1090000@usa.net> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:11:34 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <392758439.1260398409.48146488.79519@mcgi74.rambler.ru> In-Reply-To: <392758439.1260398409.48146488.79519@mcgi74.rambler.ru> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID529NLiXLM6272X40 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_08=2.435,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 147.3 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------060404050406070009020801" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_02, HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_06,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,MIME_HTML_ONLY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --------------060404050406070009020801 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Beautiful copy of DDH47, but then, given their power, it is not a great surprise....

73  Alberto  I2PHD


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(post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG076-a244b26610cda; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:00:14 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKDJJ-00042s-Fk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:58:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKDJJ-00042j-4d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:58:09 +0000 Received: from mx01.infotech.at ([213.174.240.1]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKDKG-0005qs-5w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:59:10 +0000 Received: from [213.174.228.201] by mx01.infotech.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKDKQ-0002NI-VF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:59:19 +0100 Message-ID: <4B2660C1.90407@inext.at> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:58:57 +0100 From: Oberreiter Oswald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: ossi.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) yes very fine henny , thank you! looking far east 3 days ago read me in asbest city 3300km but its a long way to china hi best dx last weekend was w1vd so i think very good conds 73 de ossi henny van elst schrieb: > nice signal,Ossi > henny cpm > 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > ossi.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen > virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet > toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt > weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (rly-mb03.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.161]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB052-cf84b24b9a3c5; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 04:53:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB034-cf84b24b9a3c5; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 04:53:40 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJl7m-0001G7-Ac for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:52:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJl7l-0001Fx-VV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:52:21 +0000 Received: from psmtp30.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJl88-0002pr-J6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:52:46 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp30.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KUL00ALI4RUMA@psmtp30.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:52:43 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:52:43 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RA3YO 12-12.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_gz0ynTty4u6ZNX2Wrkuhcw)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --Boundary_(ID_gz0ynTty4u6ZNX2Wrkuhcw) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_6P/UTubZ0fckl8gh5R7boA)" --Boundary_(ID_6P/UTubZ0fckl8gh5R7boA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT capture Ra3yo henny pa3cpm 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: RA3YO 12-12.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
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X-FuHaFi: 0.58,0.58 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: LA3EQ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA7C25.EFDA3650" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA7C25.EFDA3650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Weak aural and good visual copy on 502.15. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ Loc:Sdostbayern,12,90006O/48,4150N (Gridloc:JN68KJ) Perseus mit K9AY ----- Original Message ----- From: mal hamilton To: rsgb Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 6:20 PM Subject: LF: LA3EQ Going strong on CW at present on 502 kcs. Can anyone else hear him. How about the grabbers? G3KEV ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.716 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.105/2562 - Ausgabedatum: 12/13/09 08:39:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA7C25.EFDA3650 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Weak aural and good visual copy on=20 502.15.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
 
Loc:S=FCdostbayern,12,90006=B0O/48,41= 50=B0N=20 (Gridloc:JN68KJ)
Perseus mit K9AY
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 20= 09 6:20=20 PM
Subject: LF: LA3EQ

Going strong on CW at present on 50= 2 kcs. Can=20 anyone else hear him. How about the grabbers?
G3KEV
 


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------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA7C25.EFDA3650-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me08.mx.aol.com (rly-me08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.42]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME064-9cd4b2a630d245; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:58:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME081-9cd4b2a630d245; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:57:51 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLJbo-00081j-N5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:53:48 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLJbo-00081a-9v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:53:48 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s1.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.11]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLJeh-0006DG-6w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:56:48 +0000 Received: from COL122-W62 ([65.55.34.8]) by col0-omc1-s1.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:56:41 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:56:40 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200912171636370488.1D2CCCF0@smtp2.numeo.fr> References: <200912171636370488.1D2CCCF0@smtp2.numeo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2009 16:56:41.0141 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7BF2E50:01CA7F39] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_7ca4cedc-a64f-4a33-81a1-a715991918ae_" Subject: RE: LF: "BVG" 10dB over noise/LX on 137 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_7ca4cedc-a64f-4a33-81a1-a715991918ae_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello John, LF! Thanks for your report. The weather has changed, there was a snow on my ae= rial so I had to tune this one. You listened me, when I tried to call CQ.= =20 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS ************************** > Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:36:37 +0100 > From: john.rabson@numeo.fr > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: "BVG" 10dB over noise/LX on 137 >=20 > At 1536z. >=20 > John Rabson=20 > F5VLF > 58800 Cervon > France > JN17vg >=20 >=20 >=20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8= je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_7ca4cedc-a64f-4a33-81a1-a715991918ae_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello John, LF!
Thanks for your report. The weather has changed, there= was a snow on my aerial so I had to tune this one. You listened me, when= I tried to call CQ.

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:36:37 +0100> From: john.rabson@numeo.fr
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<= br>> Subject: LF: "BVG" 10dB over noise/LX on 137
>
> At= 1536z.
>
> John Rabson
> F5VLF
> 58800 Cervon> France
> JN17vg
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>
>
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Windows 7: Zjedodu=B9te si ka=BEdodenn=ED =FAkoly. Kter=FD po=E8= =EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? =3D --_7ca4cedc-a64f-4a33-81a1-a715991918ae_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md05.mx.aol.com (rly-md05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.143]) by air-md09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD094-9064b2fa01034c; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:19:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD056-9064b2fa01034c; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:19:29 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMksa-0002Se-QU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:13:04 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMksa-0002SV-CM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:13:04 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMkxi-000461-0c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:18:24 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3502.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0A530700008F for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:18:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3502.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id F17BB7000091 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:18:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.70.177]) by mwinf3502.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 6444D700008F for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:18:12 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20091221161812410.6444D700008F@mwinf3502.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <981F86FBB93F4C97BF472E9446BA1EA2@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <001401ca8222$5ce76d10$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g><9afca2640912210535v7922b3d4ned743d26dfd2a412@mail.gmail.com><001701ca824a$904740e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <20091221165732.37blf9vaoosgkw0k@webmail6.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20091221165732.37blf9vaoosgkw0k@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:18:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF ACTY Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 So much for the EC10 hot radio then ? -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rik Strobbe" Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 3:57 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF ACTY > > There is little challenge in copying the mentioned QRO stations, copying > QRP stations is the real challenge. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting mal hamilton : > >> Turn the wick up and someone might hear u. The DL, SM, LA and EIOCF are >> booming in here day and nite. >> g3kev >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Roger Lapthorn >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 1:35 PM >> Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF ACTY >> >> Mal, >> >> I called CQ on 12wpm CW a few times just now on 500kHz, but no takers. >> >> There is always activity on 500kHz WSPR. Reports of my 1mW ERP signal >> received from 4 different stations (so far) in the last hour or so out >> to 237kms. >> >> 73s >> Roger G3XBM >> >> 2009/12/21 mal hamilton >> > >> I have never heard LF/MF so quiet over the years since it all started. >> In the past most of the DX that I have worked was around XMAS time. The >> wx at present in Scarborough is minus 2 C and covered in 6 inches of >> snow but it is not effecting my antennas so far even although there is >> some ice on the wires. >> Now calling CQ on 502.6 kcs and looking for acty also on 137 kcs CW >> De mal/g3kev >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >> > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.75]) by air-di01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI014-eab94b364bc2c3; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 12:45:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 971901827F; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 12:45:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOah2-00060p-1y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:44:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOah1-00060g-O3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:44:43 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOah0-0007aD-4d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:44:43 +0000 Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091226174436.ISGZ27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:44:36 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091226174436.NMVG21638.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:44:36 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:44:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B364B7F.3528.1CE8517@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=DuRYmh76Hv1QCkKNbBoA:9 a=2vVdT4XdTj6dNrgiRcdDTKZqcHYA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: XDV beacon Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404b4b364bc05cdd X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I will be transmitting 'XDV' on 136.31975kHz overnight. It looks another station is already on 136.319kHz - probably DJ8WX. Mike, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de07.mx.aol.com (rly-de07.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.143]) by air-de08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE084-4eb4b2ff0e82e8; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:04:55 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE074-4eb4b2ff0e82e8; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:04:26 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMqG9-0003qy-2S for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:57:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMqG8-0003qp-LJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:57:44 +0000 Received: from n11a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.125.176]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMqKW-0000CF-P8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:02:17 +0000 Received: from [68.142.200.224] by n11.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2009 22:03:06 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.247] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2009 22:03:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp408.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2009 22:03:06 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 2880.42060.bm@omp408.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 57304 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2009 22:03:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Lgex0DzPUkOhPcJ6F+Po2uNe47hMjzFwArmAc/x1/J//WpmHcTbJGncukdoY/TB4Kq5fKfUCz0vzs3guaYWtod1xnizKHrbGA7/MaN3IzkmTbVwQlTAcqS/MBnPre2uHFTHpVeWOfQyj8jxJ3c/JDaiBINMGht2i0LeOeq/mdkk= ; Received: from host86-151-140-44.range86-151.btcentralplus.com (ken.h.wright@86.151.140.44 with login) by smtp137.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2009 14:03:05 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9Y6mUHuswBAgnrOsukIiNdFDf95uy_Dz34nY1hlg2liKgYD952sjbg-- X-YMail-OSG: ogKi3hUVM1mH7otd67MCbykPgjKZNwUTzsEpl1eVdoIF6eq00Z8jqkVS1zpVNIz6XBL65rEAKeksGPo_CcmfsDIkVZH_vxCFzqYivX7c89oiytezGEs1cEVm6PkN8m_sOoifwgyK6T6IIPqkVm3nHUoOfZwX3fP_b_HeIq16QObQfulFQU8FAIr8SJdhukGvJq7q81rHhvtWLGsFSgm5X2e_JxYTB8VtG5sVjJ.v7v4o0PW6V8I8ZTyaC5cjurPJIh.o_oPCmphpFapj8qVbBEGG76Gh X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <678FAD4478574A8682D9BDE7D982EE11@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:03:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: PA0RDT Mini-Whip Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01CA8289.5EA91470" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01CA8289.5EA91470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello All. I have been reading the recent posting regarding the PA0RDT Mini-Whip= earthing etc, and am becoming rather confused. I am hoping to constr= uct a Mini-Whip over the Christmas break, but have issues regarding th= e positioning of it, the original drawings show it on a non metallic= mast, if I mount it high it will be within 2m vertical separation and= a 3m horizontal separation of the top horizontal section of the anten= na, the other option would be to mount it 1m above ground which will= give a 8m vertical separation and a 4m horizontal separation. Just to= add further problems if elevated vertically it is very close to veget= ation, and at the 1m position it will be close to the neighbour's chai= n link fence. The Mini-Whip will be connected to the shack with approx= imately 25m of 50 ohm coax. Your comments will be gratefully received. =20 73s Ken M0KHW ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01CA8289.5EA91470 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= Hello All.

= I have been reading the rece= nt posting regarding the=20 PA0RDT Mini-Whip earthing etc, and am becoming rather confused.  I am hoping to construct= a Mini-Whip=20 over the Christmas break, but have issues regarding the positioning of= it, the=20 original drawings show it on a non metallic mast, if I mount it high= it will be=20 within 2m vertical separation and a 3m horizontal separation of the to= p=20 horizontal section of the antenna, the other option would be to mount= it 1m=20 above ground which will give a 8m vertical separation and a 4m horizon= tal=20 separation. Just to add further problems if elevated vertically it is= very close=20 to vegetation, and at the 1m position it will be close to the neighbou= r=92s chain=20 link fence. The Mini-Whip will be connected to the shack with approxim= ately 25m=20 of 50 ohm coax. Your comments will be gratefully received.

=  

= 73s

= Ken

= M0KHW

=  

 ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01CA8289.5EA91470-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (rly-dd05.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.152]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD024-b7e4b27793632c; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 06:55:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD058-b7e4b27793632c; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 06:55:35 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKVxh-0002Xv-W3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:53:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKVxh-0002Xm-HX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:53:05 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKVz2-0004ld-2N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:54:30 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBF6qCcA019290 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:52:12 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:54:43 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:54:44 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC75@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <993182564@web.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Thread-Index: Acp9dhYz5SqVBBsOQWaU9OUL9P43UwABhC5w From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.625;15.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.15.114526 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA7D7D.637B8BDB" Subject: AW: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE, YOU_WON autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7D7D.637B8BDB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, if I apply 1kW to a bad antenna and get 100mW ERP, then 10kW will ge= t 1W ERP and this is thus not nonsens of the legal limit regs but rather= a gain of 10 dB. The same when you increase from 100W to 1kW with a 10dB= better antenna. And if you then are able to do a qso in qrss3 instead of= qrss30, even the needed energy is the same! You won time, that's the gain= ! And you can enthuse the LWLs receiving nice signals!=20 =20 @Mike: Tnx for your reliable statement! And: Again tnx for your transmiisi= ons before some weeks! Will you do it again eventually the next days? I ha= ve to do some further tests ;-) =20 Stefan/DK7FC =20 =20 =20 You've nicely demonstrated the nonsense of the 1W ERP legal limit regs. The 200 W TX output on LF and 100 W TX output on MF the norwegian authorities permitted seem to be by far more reasonable to me. =20 73 Joerg, DL3NRV =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7D7D.637B8BDB Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Well, if I apply 1kW to= a bad antenna and get 100mW ERP, then 10kW will get 1W ERP and this is thus not nonsens= of the legal limit regs but rather a gain of 10 dB. The same when you increas= e from 100W to 1kW with a 10dB better antenna. And if you then are able to= do a qso in qrss3 instead of qrss30, even the needed energy is the same! You won ti= me, that’s the gain! And you can enthuse the LWLs receiving nice signals!

 

@Mike: Tnx for your reli= able statement! And: Again tnx for your transmiisions before some weeks! Will= you do it again eventually the next days? I have to do some further tests ;-)

 

Stefan/DK7FC

 

 

&n= bsp;

Yo= u've nicely demonstrated the nonsense of the 1W ERP legal limit regs.

Th= e 200 W TX output on LF and 100 W= TX output= on MF the norwegian

au= thorities permitted seem to be by far more reasonable to me.

&n= bsp;

73=

Joerg, DL3NRV

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi,LF
Strong signal.137.775khz
henny pa3cpm
73s
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autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: Re: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01CA800E.C9013F00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01CA800E.C9013F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tnx Walter=20 Yes , we seem to of done quite well considering , I think the only= gray area was the approach / marketing of the allocation where as= operations where initially viewed as a follow on from 136 and= as such its possible that it did not attract a wider response, wh= ere as it very soon became apparent that the band was more simi= lar to 1.8 MHz in terms of coverage and the requirements for lar= ge arrays and power level did not materialise and in fact the com= pact array has provided most if not all of the Dx worked on the ba= nd to date , ''even'' Gus is using a antenna system that is within= the boundary of his own house and is still fractional compared= to the wave length, once I had modified my old 80 ft total invert= ed L with loading coil and top capacity section , 50 to 100 wat= ts provided amazing coverage and performance on 1.8 & 3.5 also = increased significantly .. unintended consequence !=20 Back in the 1970's a old friend of mine , long passed, who introdu= ced me to vhf radio 2 & 4 mtr am G3SX always maintained that the= 500 K / 600 mtr band was the original armature band in the perio= d between the 1914/1945 war's and the marine service, once spark= had been phased out , took over the band and forced the armature= operation hf to the new fangled 1.8 and higher=20 So may be the tapping gang where just keeping it free for us afte= r all .. 70 years was long enough ! 73 - G ..=20 From: Walter und Marianne Staubach=20 Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 5:38 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Re: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kH= z band) Congrats to All on MF in G-Land. I would like we had RSGB and OFCOM in= Germany. Merry Christmas Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 12:39 PM Subject: LF: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz= band) FYI 16|12|09 Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band) Following representations made by the Radio Society of Great= Britain and negotiations by Ofcom with the Maritime and Coastguard Ag= ency, Ofcom has decided to extend the period of Notices of Variation= (NoVs) to the licence for operation in the 501 to 504 kHz band until= 29 February 2012. The maximum effective radiated power (e.r.p.) limit= is maintained at 10 dBW (10 W). Existing NoVs are due to expire at th= e end of February 2010.=20 There have been no reports of interference and investigation= has shown that a radiated power of 10 dBW is not likely to cause inte= rference. Moreover, NoV holders are permitted to operate only subject= to causing no interference.=20 Special Research Permits under a Notice of Variation to the Li= cence are made available to holders of Full Amateur Licences on a case= by case basis to applicants who can demonstrate a genuine interest in= experimentation at these frequencies and provide adequate supporting= documentation for assessment.=20 Due to the usage of the spectrum around the 500 kHz bands, app= licants should pay special attention to demonstrating technical and op= erational competence in terms of transmitting within the frequency ban= d and Effective Radiated Power (e.r.p.) parameters agreed with Ofcom.= Previous experience at 73 kHz as well as 136 kHz will be considered= desirable in this respect to ensure adequate steps are taken to limit= any potential interference.=20 Ofcom will monitor any interference reports and also consider= limiting numbers if necessary in reviewing operation in the band. On= no account will an e.r.p. level of greater than 10 dBW be permitted= under any circumstance.=20 The standard application form (OfW306) for a Special Research= Permit can be downloaded at: http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amate= ur/applications/ofw306.pdf=20 A fresh NoV will automatically be issued to existing NoV holde= rs; new applications are not required in this instance. Should a fresh NoV not be required or if you are in possession= of an NoV which is not required, please inform the Ofcom Licensing Ce= ntre stating your name, call sign and Licence number preferably by e-m= ail to licensingcentre@ofcom.org.uk or alternatively by post to the ad= dress at the end of the text.=20 Form OfW306 is also available on request from the Ofcom Licens= ing Centre at:=20 Ofcom Licensing Centre=20 Amateur Radio Riverside House 2a Southwark Bridge Road London SE1 9HA=20 Tel: 020 7981 3131=20 73 es GL petefmt=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01CA800E.C9013F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tnx Walter
 
Yes , we seem to of done  quite&= nbsp;=20 well  considering , I think the  only  gray area was th= e =20 approach / marketing of the  allocation where as  operations= =20 where  initially  viewed as a  follow  on from&nbs= p; 136 and=20 as such its possible that  it  did  not  attract= a wider=20 response, where as it  very  soon became  apparent that=  =20 the  band  was more  similar to  1.8 MHz in terms&= nbsp;=20 of  coverage  and the  requirements  for large&nbs= p;=20 arrays  and  power level did  not  materialise and= in fact=20 the compact array has  provided  most if not  all of th= e Dx=20 worked on the  band to date , ''even''  Gus  is using= a =20 antenna  system that is within the  boundary  of= =20 his own  house  and is  still fractional compared= to=20 the  wave length, once I had  modified my old  80 = ft total=20 inverted L with  loading  coil and  top  capacity&= nbsp;=20 section , 50  to  100 watts  provided  amazing&nbs= p;=20 coverage  and performance on 1.8 & 3.5  also  incre= ased =20 significantly .. unintended consequence ! 
 
Back in the  1970's  a old= friend of mine=20 , long passed,  who  introduced me to vhf  radio = 2 & 4=20 mtr  am  G3SX  always  maintained that the = 500 K /=20 600  mtr  band was the  original armature band in the&n= bsp;=20 period  between the  1914/1945 war's  and the  mar= ine =20 service, once spark had been  phased out , took over the  ba= nd =20 and  forced the  armature  operation  hf to t= he =20 new fangled  1.8 and  higher
 
So may be the  tapping  gan= g where just=20 keeping it  free  for us  after all  .. 70 = years =20 was long  enough !
 
73 - G ..

Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 5:38 PM
Subject: LF: Re: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (5= 01 to 504=20 kHz band)

Congrats to All on MF in G-Land. I wo= uld like we=20 had RSGB and OFCOM in Germany.
Merry Christmas
Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT=
Sent: Friday, December 18, 20= 09 12:39=20 PM
Subject: LF: UK - Update - Sp= ecial=20 Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band)

FYI       16|12|09

Update - Special Research Permits (501 to= 504 kHz=20 band)

Following representations made by the Radio Society of Gr= eat=20 Britain and negotiations by Ofcom with the Maritime and Coastg= uard=20 Agency, Ofcom has decided to extend the= period of=20 Notices of Variation (NoVs) to the licence for operation in th= e 501 to=20 504 kHz band until 29 February 2012. The maxim= um=20 effective radiated power (e.r.p.) limit is maintained at 10 dB= W (10 W).=20 Existing NoVs are due to expire at the end of February 2010.=
There have been no reports of interference and inv= estigation=20 has shown that a radiated power of 10 dBW is not likely to cau= se=20 interference. Moreover, NoV holders are permitted to operate= only=20 subject to causing no interference.
Special Research Permits under a Notice of Variation to= the Licence=20 are made available to holders of Full Amateur Licences on a ca= se by case=20 basis to applicants who can demonstrate a genuine interest in= =20 experimentation at these frequencies and provide adequate supp= orting=20 documentation for assessment.
Due to the usage of the spectrum around the 500 kHz bands= ,=20 applicants should pay special attention to demonstrating techn= ical and=20 operational competence in terms of transmitting within the fre= quency=20 band and Effective Radiated Power (e.r.p.) parameters agreed= with Ofcom.=20 Previous experience at 73 kHz as well as 136 kHz will be consi= dered=20 desirable in this respect to ensure adequate steps are taken= to limit=20 any potential interference.
Ofcom will monitor any interference reports and also cons= ider=20 limiting numbers if necessary in reviewing operation in the ba= nd. On no=20 account will an e.r.p. level of greater than 10 dBW be permitt= ed under=20 any circumstance.
The standard application form (OfW306) for a Special Rese= arch=20 Permit can be downloaded at:
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/am= ateur/applications/ofw306.pdf=20
A fresh NoV will automatically be issued to existing NoV= holders;=20 new applications are not required in this instance.
Should= a fresh=20 NoV not be required or if you are in possession of an NoV whic= h is not=20 required, please inform the Ofcom Licensing Centre stating you= r name,=20 call sign and Licence number preferably by e-mail to licensingcentre@ofc= om.org.uk=20 or alternatively by post to the address at the end of the text= .
Form OfW306 is also available on request from the Ofcom= Licensing=20 Centre at:
Ofcom Licensing Centre
Amateur Radio
Riverside Hou= se
2a=20 Southwark Bridge Road
London SE1 9HA
Tel: 020 7981 3131

73 es GL=20 petefmt



------=_NextPart_000_0040_01CA800E.C9013F00-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (rly-mg01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.107]) by air-mg01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG011-9f44b1bf663222; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 13:22:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG016-9f44b1bf663222; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 13:22:29 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHLjE-0005Ej-Eq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 18:21:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHLjD-0005Ea-W5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 18:21:03 +0000 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHLjD-0007p2-EW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 18:21:03 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuAEAFOFG0tOlvJ7/2dsb2JhbACODwbHC4QzBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,350,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="297754440" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.150.242.123]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 06 Dec 2009 18:20:41 +0000 Message-ID: <005301ca76a0$cdbcae20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 18:20:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 137.7 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0050_01CA76A0.CD778ED0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01CA76A0.CD778ED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris/G3XIZ big sig on 137 qrs dfcw and qrs. Did'nt call because u wer= e also audible and qrs too slow for me. Also a big audible sig on 137.750 sending some sort of Arabic scroll= Beacon mode 2 mins on at a time. My arabic is poor but something like salem alikom shufty wspraji then= went qrt G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01CA76A0.CD778ED0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Chris/G3XIZ big sig on 137 qrs dfcw= and qrs. Did'nt=20 call because u were also audible and qrs too slow for me.
Also a big audible sig on 137.750 sen= ding some sort=20 of Arabic scroll Beacon mode 2 mins on at a time.
My arabic is poor but something like= salem alikom=20 shufty wspraji then went qrt
G3KEV
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0050_01CA76A0.CD778ED0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (rly-dc03.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.32]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC042-b0e4b2a1d554c; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 07:00:34 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC032-b0e4b2a1d554c; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 07:00:22 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLEy1-0003vJ-2s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:56:25 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLEy0-0003v9-Es for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:56:24 +0000 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLF0l-0003tx-Vk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:59:17 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.3]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091217115910.YBH17277.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:59:10 +0000 Received: from [86.27.65.97] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLF0g-0001EA-7S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:59:10 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <103549.64186.qm@web63605.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20091217110355.6828A31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:59:05 -0000 Message-ID: <060101ca7f10$54f7f120$0417aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: Acp/CM0L4UfEqw9NRAKAVfahtLzqggAB3D9g In-Reply-To: <20091217110355.6828A31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=Ee1VBOaOx30A:10 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=okxBy07tAAAA:20 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=mnkDQa3dAAAA:8 a=LSqJEG7SAAAA:8 a=UnDIl7zAAAAA:8 a=tYlXc0Cp-LmosY6I2koA:9 a=hJ9mdDgm-_Zpb_2SJXCr65U8vIwA:4 a=4Lz01PeneD8A:10 a=n6UBVwlWjccA:10 a=QUMBtimKheAA:10 a=GXq1JHm8lEYA:10 a=z-6WHWR9nJ4A:10 a=FQ7sgWXcAGUA:10 a=Dz8yZd2LZgoA:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=E3d62MU9tCcA:10 a=kJRaol4iSCAA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: Fw: DE KU4XR - [NZ4O Spaceweather] Some Solar Cycle 24 Firsts Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 That's a job for Mal -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe Sent: 17 December 2009 11:04 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Fw: DE KU4XR - [NZ4O Spaceweather] Some Solar Cycle 24 Firsts Can someone please stop this ;-) It will spoil propagation on LF/MF 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 15:53 16/12/2009, you wrote: >Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. >LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29866 KHz ( QRSS-60 ) >Coordinates: N: 35* 43' 54" - W: 84* 3' 16" >http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr >http://webpages.charter.net/ku4xr/ > > >--- On Wed, 12/16/09, Thomas F. Giella NZ4O wrote: > > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o4.htm > > > > Sunspot group #11035 near N30W13 has grown into the largest > > (seven times larger than the Earth) and most magnetically complex > > (beta-gamma) sunspot group of solar cycle 24. At 0102 UTC the sunspot > > group released a small C5.3 solar flare, the largest solar flare of > > Solar cycle 24. More small C class solar flares are possible, with a > > chance for an isolated medium size M class solar flare. > > > > #11035 also produced the first partially geoeffective (Earth facing) > > coronal mass ejection (CME) of solar cycle 24. The CME will arrive > > at Earth in a approximately two days and could spark a geomagnetic > > storm and visible aurora. Another geoeffective CME is possible, with an > > associated sudden ionosphere disturbance (SID) and shortwave fadeout > > > > The sunspot count is 38 which is the highest of solar cycle 24. The > > solar flux index is 82 which is tied for the highest SFI of solar > > Cycle 24. With the increased sunspot count we should see improved > > propagation conditions on 15 and 12 meters. > > > > 73, GUD DX, Merry X-mas & Happy New Year, > > Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O > > Lakeland, FL, USA > > nz4o@arrl.net > > eList Owner/Moderator > > John 3:16 <>< > > > > COL LF/MF/HF/VHF/UHF Frequency Radiowave Propagation Email > > Reflector: > > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/spaceweather > > NZ4O Daily Solar Space Weather & Geomagnetic Data > > Archive: > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o1.htm > > NZ4O Solar Space Weather & Geomagnetic Data In Graphic > > & Image Format: > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o2.htm > > NZ4O Daily LF/MF/HF/6M Frequency Radiowave Propagation > > Forecast & Archive: > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o3.htm > > NZ4O Solar Cycle 24 Forecast Discussion & Archive: > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o4.htm > > NZ4O 160 Meter Radio Propagation Theory Notes: > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o5.htm > > NZ4O Solar Space Weather & Geomagnetic Raw Forecast > > Data Links: > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o6.htm > > Harmful Man Induced Climate Change (Global Warming) > > Refuted: > > http://www.wcflunatall.com/globalwarminglie.htm > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Spaceweather mailing list > > Spaceweather@contesting.com > > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/spaceweather > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD082-91b4b37778f69; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:04:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD083-91b4b37778f69; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:04:48 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOuf1-0002fH-3r for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:03:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOuf0-0002f7-Oi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:03:58 +0000 Received: from mail-yx0-f203.google.com ([209.85.210.203]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOuex-0000vs-SU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:03:58 +0000 Received: by yxe41 with SMTP id 41so34662598yxe.30 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 07:03:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=620/BIzjYxHOGHWyDFrTutjM5HbCevSElJsTaScBzZ4=; b=sM7j9uOXQPw6+xOWqoIBaV2yFNQu6A7HiG8Nu4ZvZ6qtyq67Ii6kKF5jmC2F32YK7M RiMG2zpqQEz04VBWiZJXkR2QIakno8kjWE0FAmnaeZGHKuHVthW3IDIpk98vBkgZUcHp RVMk9NH/+0YknQUMH5hhLy90Ut8Mi+82xAhvw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=re6K3rMUR83urRDv5QOIXqLh6s+MRFeDA6VCRqdbrzQW9udv95iHLzNwrWe7aRvf0f CZ2R4vU/AE3P0stomgEnvHU4i7rFE9pojxgEiGpTazuyobyPHnoWytdsHt1EmRB2I5Vp FcoIO6Pyae9oQj7OHjEHN17eoBFPiUz0GPbvI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.119.12 with SMTP id r12mr15849847ybc.272.1261926229166; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 07:03:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <68888C71C3FE4456A4F854377E52D1B2@ns94d01ae4d850> References: <68888C71C3FE4456A4F854377E52D1B2@ns94d01ae4d850> Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:03:49 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca70912270703o3b3fc1edmf63711865f854526@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 27-12.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d237.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Thank you Henny for the capture! -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2009/12/27 henny van elst : > Hello Warren LF, > Capture XGJ > Henny pa3cpm > best 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > XGJ 27-12.jpg From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (rly-dg04.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.88]) by air-dg04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG041-5bd4b35e33454; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 05:19:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG044-5bd4b35e33454; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 05:19:33 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOTjO-0004fu-Nq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:18:42 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOTjO-0004fl-7D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:18:42 +0000 Received: from psmtp30.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.32]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOTjL-0003hk-Rz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:18:42 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp30.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KV90083P8MWHA@psmtp30.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:18:32 +0100 (MET) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:18:34 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <0C83042A649D403CA8DF32302386E9CB@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: WPF 26-12.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_gBJVu/NugUcjwyF3HbHn+g)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --Boundary_(ID_gBJVu/NugUcjwyF3HbHn+g) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_pR8ScXDHL98uctbXb0BAfw)" --Boundary_(ID_pR8ScXDHL98uctbXb0BAfw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi LF, Capture WPF, Henny pa3cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: WPF 26-12.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. --Boundary_(ID_pR8ScXDHL98uctbXb0BAfw) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Hi LF,
Capture WPF,
Henny pa3cpm
best 73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
WPF 26-12.jpg

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Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear Lowfers,=20 It's nice/funny, that my explanations gets such a resonance ;-) I can imagine about the problem of local QRM brought by the coax to the pr= eamp. That brings me to new ideas at once. But actual I just want to do ni= ce QSOs and so I will stop here since I am in a region without strong loca= l QRM. That's one advantage of being /p :-) I've seen that the reflector hasn't even reflected my message with the cir= cuit, although is has just a size of 60kB. I'll ask Bernd/DF8ZR to post it= agn on his homepage and will give you the link then... 73, Stefan/DK7FC=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb09.mx.aol.com (rly-mb09.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.167]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB052-d274b236329209; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 04:32:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB093-d274b236329209; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 04:32:26 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJOK4-0008SY-GP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 09:31:32 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJOK4-0008SP-4O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 09:31:32 +0000 Received: from web87012.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([87.248.114.64]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJOK2-0006NS-7P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 09:31:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 99284 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Dec 2009 09:31:24 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1260610284; bh=uEr/0HJ7nL5acTicf7vw6bhzQELwqT7qxl1wZoHBCeI=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OYMSD8uEywaIKERa/fumX8vbsZoL+QBsRyBdf4ZwIQlfzCUq13kdW1EWOnEtBBjKIBiMmxTu7bsjUdqikLIUoiT+JupL3BXlS9rQfLemmZykIA7XR8xBAMXjaJJ5c5t8XvsR2VMF/M25kEsryCCDFpjYHLL+3F2yt3G3bmMf3j4= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=L3Mzd2uG3gnZiY9FY8viu1MJB743rB1eMKU+EgJxcM2bDP8tQEgMa/Ll9Eh5FMdDKyrOpYs07CcxOdWNLSyufiL/HA8G5P37NgilaMr19wMDJMoZPtVjfRuClPzXUxYX7H8FQPbyQJ/P2JUrVwnOGKSfAN2ahyCNa2pje8dO5/M=; Message-ID: <753002.98875.qm@web87012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ZlFJy4kVM1mmQvTPXXNE07y7nWuzpYwSy5E_FXJUmTcp94HwTVCudOoEDWFZr5s.grEMp4vJJ49MWnphKyo2hilV1GzxAeVjDcXWjm9ddOLd0lFvE9cgJiD.SHjCF_KDSFUMSiUz6ryVOz.etV47QGOE2JTq9_mkhtAd8yXYloToSBmvIMX8wobwX3IiJbNfJAgndsDkZNpBHLhHtqiD2akNC0uPJpzFRxadg1H43O7HRFt5lGEzgNQn4LSKj4LkVkmdk2IhANgywp1Fi7WqG3wqEuS1Tm7A Received: from [86.130.76.73] by web87012.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 09:31:24 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 09:31:24 +0000 (GMT) From: KEN WRIGHT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: G3SAQ SK Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-744996271-1260610284=:98875" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m242.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : fail --0-744996271-1260610284=:98875 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry folks, message to Peter sent in error on this site 73 Ken M0KHW --0-744996271-1260610284=:98875 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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73
Ken
M0KHW
--0-744996271-1260610284=:98875-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (rly-mg06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.112]) by air-mg08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG084-a1c4b2e056653; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 06:07:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG066-a1c4b2e056653; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 06:07:19 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMJXV-0006pn-7o for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:01:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMJXU-0006pe-EN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:01:28 +0000 Received: from smtp821.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.250]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMJbA-0004fX-1U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:05:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 96682 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2009 11:05:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=XjwzxLyuOKlLZ+bcUD9OaP0J8139hW3upt+x+CfqVEwEsHzNuX7t9hnqE+Q6JKChacLg2m24c89egg/VBfgYfpoOhnjlQVJlFSsJWtmPYc5SRbmq1Z26lDJI5ft+HTiPjLBkHB4EIv/Fk5Yahzhuyiecc/c+9RbiZuhazBERjuU= ; Received: from unknown (HELO DennisPC) (dennis.easterling@86.142.159.141 with login) by smtp821.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2009 11:05:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: H_MJu2qswBDkdHeCAZfwexko6VNOiMP5URzYEvz3WrE5v1grQm6fnvJecjM9 X-YMail-OSG: .pMcYccVM1kaPBREuJzJeRPBzNmZxYRnwrhuCKvnL2utkNkIN9JjIqim_Q3ZTxJ5WP82SJ7QQz_VWHcqXxlGXmsorEHRLKmgpCDtlTVOloM6wTmyfAfi3vfLxsFtTs0mUUVY2Y2V86l4C.jeWupucInanieHu436YwCipxrqf8KRpdmX.9IS8fXxcTd0Lm7MnhznewaMluEWz38mVMIiaiH7MZk9aVFUx7nEbOxH60X8j3E- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "DENNIS EASTERLING" To: References: <914980.30417.qm@web28108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <914980.30417.qm@web28108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:05:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: LF: Re: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005D_01CA8164.5F0E0EF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01CA8164.5F0E0EF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Pete Thanks for info - no need to worry until 2012. 73 Dennis M0JXM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 11:39 AM Subject: LF: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz= band) FYI 16|12|09 Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band) Following representations made by the Radio Society of Great= Britain and negotiations by Ofcom with the Maritime and Coastguard Ag= ency, Ofcom has decided to extend the period of Notices of Variation= (NoVs) to the licence for operation in the 501 to 504 kHz band until= 29 February 2012. The maximum effective radiated power (e.r.p.) limit= is maintained at 10 dBW (10 W). Existing NoVs are due to expire at th= e end of February 2010.=20 There have been no reports of interference and investigation= has shown that a radiated power of 10 dBW is not likely to cause inte= rference. Moreover, NoV holders are permitted to operate only subject= to causing no interference.=20 Special Research Permits under a Notice of Variation to the Li= cence are made available to holders of Full Amateur Licences on a case= by case basis to applicants who can demonstrate a genuine interest in= experimentation at these frequencies and provide adequate supporting= documentation for assessment.=20 Due to the usage of the spectrum around the 500 kHz bands, app= licants should pay special attention to demonstrating technical and op= erational competence in terms of transmitting within the frequency ban= d and Effective Radiated Power (e.r.p.) parameters agreed with Ofcom.= Previous experience at 73 kHz as well as 136 kHz will be considered= desirable in this respect to ensure adequate steps are taken to limit= any potential interference.=20 Ofcom will monitor any interference reports and also consider= limiting numbers if necessary in reviewing operation in the band. On= no account will an e.r.p. level of greater than 10 dBW be permitted= under any circumstance.=20 The standard application form (OfW306) for a Special Research= Permit can be downloaded at: http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amate= ur/applications/ofw306.pdf=20 A fresh NoV will automatically be issued to existing NoV holde= rs; new applications are not required in this instance. Should a fresh NoV not be required or if you are in possession= of an NoV which is not required, please inform the Ofcom Licensing Ce= ntre stating your name, call sign and Licence number preferably by e-m= ail to licensingcentre@ofcom.org.uk or alternatively by post to the ad= dress at the end of the text.=20 Form OfW306 is also available on request from the Ofcom Licens= ing Centre at:=20 Ofcom Licensing Centre=20 Amateur Radio Riverside House 2a Southwark Bridge Road London SE1 9HA=20 Tel: 020 7981 3131=20 73 es GL petefmt=20 ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01CA8164.5F0E0EF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Pete
 
Thanks for info - no need to worry un= til=20 2012.
 
73 Dennis M0JXM
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT=
Sent: Friday, December 18, 20= 09 11:39=20 AM
Subject: LF: UK - Update - Sp= ecial=20 Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band)

FYI       16|12|09

Update - Special Research Permits (501 to= 504 kHz=20 band)

Following representations made by the Radio Society of Gr= eat=20 Britain and negotiations by Ofcom with the Maritime and Coastg= uard=20 Agency, Ofcom has decided to extend the= period of=20 Notices of Variation (NoVs) to the licence for operation in th= e 501 to=20 504 kHz band until 29 February 2012. The maxim= um=20 effective radiated power (e.r.p.) limit is maintained at 10 dB= W (10 W).=20 Existing NoVs are due to expire at the end of February 2010.=
There have been no reports of interference and inv= estigation=20 has shown that a radiated power of 10 dBW is not likely to cau= se=20 interference. Moreover, NoV holders are permitted to operate= only=20 subject to causing no interference.
Special Research Permits under a Notice of Variation to= the Licence=20 are made available to holders of Full Amateur Licences on a ca= se by case=20 basis to applicants who can demonstrate a genuine interest in= =20 experimentation at these frequencies and provide adequate supp= orting=20 documentation for assessment.
Due to the usage of the spectrum around the 500 kHz bands= ,=20 applicants should pay special attention to demonstrating techn= ical and=20 operational competence in terms of transmitting within the fre= quency=20 band and Effective Radiated Power (e.r.p.) parameters agreed= with Ofcom.=20 Previous experience at 73 kHz as well as 136 kHz will be consi= dered=20 desirable in this respect to ensure adequate steps are taken= to limit=20 any potential interference.
Ofcom will monitor any interference reports and also cons= ider=20 limiting numbers if necessary in reviewing operation in the ba= nd. On no=20 account will an e.r.p. level of greater than 10 dBW be permitt= ed under=20 any circumstance.
The standard application form (OfW306) for a Special Rese= arch=20 Permit can be downloaded at:
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/am= ateur/applications/ofw306.pdf=20
A fresh NoV will automatically be issued to existing NoV= holders;=20 new applications are not required in this instance.
Should= a fresh=20 NoV not be required or if you are in possession of an NoV whic= h is not=20 required, please inform the Ofcom Licensing Centre stating you= r name,=20 call sign and Licence number preferably by e-mail to licensingcentre@ofc= om.org.uk=20 or alternatively by post to the address at the end of the text= .
Form OfW306 is also available on request from the Ofcom= Licensing=20 Centre at:
Ofcom Licensing Centre
Amateur Radio
Riverside Hou= se
2a=20 Southwark Bridge Road
London SE1 9HA
Tel: 020 7981 3131

73 es GL=20 petefmt

------=_NextPart_000_005D_01CA8164.5F0E0EF0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (rly-dc01.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.30]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC061-afe4b20216a3ae; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:15:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC012-afe4b20216a3ae; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:15:07 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIUnJ-0005a1-MK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:14:01 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIUnJ-0005Zs-2t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:14:01 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIUnH-0003iQ-84 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:14:01 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3544.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D352E1C00142 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 23:13:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3544.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id BF4051C00147 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 23:13:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.5.59]) by mwinf3544.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 605341C00142 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 23:13:53 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20091209221353394.605341C00142@mwinf3544.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <510B0611943F48E1975A8F833B63FBD5@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <9afca2640912071620w15cb02c8t1e7303fd15e57b65@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9afca2640912071620w15cb02c8t1e7303fd15e57b65@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 22:13:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<< Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0096_01CA791C.E4267050" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01CA791C.E4267050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All=20 This latest addition to the HF / MF tx convertor opens the door= to data communications on 500 ... ranging from 'all' the K1JT sy= stems through to the single carrier=20 multi tone systems of MFSK , DOMINO and THOR .. even the almos= t forgotten Amtor-arq and Packtor modes , anyone still have there= pk232 =20 listed are data modes that may be used with non-linear systems :-= =20 http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/meat-grinder-comms G..=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 12:20 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter Dear All, My WSPR tx up-converter has now been modified to a full TX/RX tranvert= er suitable for WSPR, QRSS and CW in a very simple way, making use of= the FT817 split facility which allows you to RX on 500kHz and TX on= 28MHz. By adding a series LC between the TX PA and the FT817 input/ou= tput RF connection (with back-to-back diodes at the L and C junction,= this allows "pass through" from the 500kHz ATU to the FT817 on RX (tu= ned to 500kHz). On TX, the diodes conduct and the C part is in paralle= l with the first cap in the TX low pass filter. This scheme is now wor= king really well with good RX sensitivity and no change in TX power ou= t. Schematic of the transverter is on my blog at http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspo= t.com/ . My attempt to add it as an attachment to an email here earlie= r failed. This more or less concludes my 500kHz experimenting, apart from gettin= g a few more CW QSOs in the log. It's been great fun all the way with= lots of support from folks here. I was going to try 136kHz, but think= I will now give this a miss for now. 73s Roger G3XBM --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01CA791C.E4267050 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All
 
This  latest  addition to&n= bsp; the =20 HF / MF  tx convertor  opens the  door to  data&nb= sp;=20 communications  on 500 ... ranging  from 'all'  the K1J= T systems=20 through to  the  single carrier
multi  tone systems  of&nbs= p; =20 MFSK  ,  DOMINO and THOR  .. even the  almost= =20 forgotten  Amtor-arq  and Packtor modes , anyone still = have=20 there pk232 
 
listed  are=20 data  modes that  may be  used with non-linear systems= :-=20
 
 
G..

Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 12:20 AM
Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter

Dear All,

My WSPR tx up-converter has now been= modified to=20 a full TX/RX tranverter suitable for WSPR, QRSS and CW  in= a=20 very simple way, making use of the FT817 split facility which= allows you=20 to RX on 500kHz and TX on 28MHz. By adding a series LC between the TX= PA and the=20 FT817 input/output RF connection (with back-to-back diodes at the L an= d C=20 junction, this allows "pass through" from the 500kHz ATU to the FT817= on RX=20 (tuned to 500kHz). On TX, the diodes conduct and the C part is in para= llel with=20 the first cap in the TX low pass filter. This scheme is now working re= ally well=20 with good RX sensitivity and no change in TX power out.

Schemat= ic of the=20 transverter is on my blog at http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ . My=20 attempt to add it as an attachment to an email here earlier failed.
This more or less concludes my 500kHz experimenting= , apart from=20 getting a few more CW QSOs in the log. It's been great fun all the way= with lots=20 of support from folks here. I was going to try 136kHz, but think I wil= l now give=20 this a miss for now.

73s
Roger G3XBM
--=20
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<= A href=3D"http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/">http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.= com/
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------=_NextPart_000_0096_01CA791C.E4267050-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me05.mx.aol.com (rly-me05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.39]) by air-me02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME024-9b74b1b8a5bd4; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 05:41:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME053-9b74b1b8a5bd4; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 05:41:33 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHEXg-0003y8-HU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:40:40 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHEXg-0003xz-3o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:40:40 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHEXd-0007eO-NF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:40:40 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so3088237bwz.4 for ; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 02:40:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=kiP+Jva1ta10kwj6G+ciUZtMfSH0jsOBo6GlgO8uhPE=; b=o0SraTAzB4hAATqtwRTxBxurFX5royAibcH3bfh34IHovlkf5sufpJ5pLXaY1O2DuW OV1w5pXlsaJov1AT6drOOi9ksxR1baZlxPrBnnLWc8fFPY0vaBEJx6OVNzlSonNKrGaz pZQVgqUCoGOae3VtGprxGgJBpiVUVjOON9Ko0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=AsC1580EVYiGGWoXIW80KwMTSCtPdQlRHB97MPkNRlGpYO48ppFFqyhUhqrINIiRo9 xJ+oqmyB3ZbIHeHheqyegLKqEzcJpDwurlEs3uPWaBrGjpQWPe7wILgKfMoBofZEUI4o kk07UdsQdptUQggcxFsZkY+bSrj7nKU/dEC9o= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.16.85 with SMTP id n21mr5470564bka.140.1260096032110; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 02:40:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <002801ca765e$f543b8e0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> References: <002801ca765e$f543b8e0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:40:32 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2640912060240x3892a5d0o71d5082089b54a2c@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 pirate Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0003255599ba607ac6047a0cf87f X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d250.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0003255599ba607ac6047a0cf87f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It was G7NKS - no pirate. 2009/12/6 mal hamilton > Some G7 stn calling me in Beacon mode giving me 557 report and Loc. > Could be a Pirate, unusual procedure. > G3KEV > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0003255599ba607ac6047a0cf87f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It was G7NKS - no pirate.

2009/12/6 mal= hamilton <g= 3kevmal@talktalk.net>
Some G7 stn calling me in Beacon=A0= mode giving=20 me 557 report and Loc. Could be a Pirate, unusual procedure.
G3KEV
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------=_NextPart_000_001C_01CA7CDD.391981B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.11]) by air-di01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI012-eab74b2d6b8233b; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 19:10:42 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EEF6F38000087; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 19:10:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NM9Hh-0004Fp-Rr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 00:04:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NM9Hh-0004Fg-Fx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 00:04:29 +0000 Received: from warsl404pip4.highway.telekom.at ([195.3.96.117] helo=email.aon.at) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NM9L9-000552-OZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 00:08:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 6789 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2009 00:08:41 -0000 Received: from 188-23-64-100.adsl.highway.telekom.at (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([188.23.64.100]) (envelope-sender ) by smarthub95.highway.telekom.at (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 20 Dec 2009 00:08:41 -0000 From: Gerhard Hickl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4B2D65E8.3030602@toya.net.pl> References: <1261259479.2447.5.camel@gerhard-desktop> <4B2D65E8.3030602@toya.net.pl> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 01:08:40 +0100 Message-ID: <1261267720.2929.4.camel@gerhard-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Beaconing Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600b4b2d6b816c83 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Piotr! Thank you for the report. Ossi is transmitting at 136.321. I think conditions will improve during the next hours and you will be able to copy more. My beacon will run for the next 2 or 3 hours. Best 73 es tnx OE3GHB Gerhard Am Sonntag, den 20.12.2009, 00:46 +0100 schrieb Piotr M=C5=82ynarski: > Gerhard Hickl wrote:=20 > > Hello group! > >=20 > > I'm going to transmit a beacon for several hours this night. Text is= "H" > > on 136.318, speed is QRSS90. > >=20 > > Ossi, OE5ODL is transmitting his "5" a few cps above. > >=20 > > We both use roughly 50W antenna input. > >=20 > > =20 >=20 > Dear Gerhard, LF Group > i've set up ad hoc my RX loop which "sits " on my balcony. It is > not the best place for an antenna ( not to mention city center)=20 > but i saw definitely a 90 sec dot on the screen so maybe it will > provide you with some info upon prop this night=20 > the sound card is not calibrated so do not be surprised by a 1Hz or > 2 offset with respect to your tx qrg. I set Argo speed as 60 sec > dot > just to see more spectrum and possibly two stations ( i do not know > the exact qrg of Ossi, OE5ODL) I have set the refresh rate of the > grabber=20 > as 10 minutes and you can see all of this at: > http://www.toya.net.pl/~mlynarski >=20 >=20 > Yours, Piotr, sq7mpj >=20 > qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ >=20 > p.s. will leave the grabber running through the night=20 > =20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md06.mx.aol.com (rly-md06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.144]) by air-md02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD023-90b4b22645d3f; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:25:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD063-90b4b22645d3f; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:25:19 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ7Ln-0008E5-ME for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:24:11 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ7Ln-0008Dw-58 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:24:11 +0000 Received: from mail-yw0-f185.google.com ([209.85.211.185]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ7Li-00012m-Sl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:24:11 +0000 Received: by ywh15 with SMTP id 15so949259ywh.5 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 07:24:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=YtEfGvb3o5+8fnrt/Iq8mlXrTs44HIj9cYc1UsTDTnQ=; b=IW7m89qaRCWEeJbKKSt3/VnI8yK5duS4wgUYXKA8F+2QximYtu8XYHJH3atAtcEv3/ 1PgRKj7+P8pRz+s3kO1AqB4jE+4FJ9NZqKD2Ba/jyqOnjpE/NuHfqpTlTSfcl5rRHB2+ NWIrYFJRk5/NVkDQs9cOoILc0Xy+MzvoPxT0M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=UaPxMUKVssmoPBnvJWniCuWFbz4Qs14BnBeFnWSJAjehwqcZhmE/d501G8iBy5XER9 6A5vmxx97oIWCE2CMN5jRgjocwGhMV9QnA/FXRNmOdnwaOXXAiBUDlQd3lbv5b2XhnI/ hIEUsb6LcW3EjzYRGaRP0hMuHAG/y+sHUjoyU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.56.1 with SMTP id e1mr2599222yba.225.1260545040479; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 07:24:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <88EEC52E6C874CCEB966804D073A3376@White> References: <88EEC52E6C874CCEB966804D073A3376@White> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:24:00 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca70912110724l43b18b68t5d2f18849fb14147@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m273.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Markus, My antenna tuning unit is outside 100 meters away from the ham shack. I am unwilling to go out in the winter night to retune the antenna to QSY to the lower frequency segment. --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 3:38 AM, Markus Vester wrot= e: > Dear LF, > > the passage should have said: > > Taking into account the path of mutual darkness, this would mean that al= l > stations should transmit in the=A0UPPER band during their evenings until= local > midnight, and then QSY to the lower band for the rest of the night. > > Sorry for the confusion. > > 73, Markus > From: Markus Vester > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 12:14 AM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes > Dear LF group, > > recently we find the "transatlantic waterhole" around 137.777 kHz quite > busy. Several Europeans have started beaconing within this segment. And > there has been some fast (QRSS3 or 10) activity, with wide traces coveri= ng > up possible transatlantic DX signalling frequencies. > > During the last years, we have=A0attempted to=A0split the frequency band= s > for=A0both directions of transatlantic work.=A0Traditional segments were= =A0around > 137.777 kHz west-to-east (for Americans transmitting towards Eu), and ar= ound > 136.320 kHz east-west (for Eu to stateside).=A0Slow modes (QRSS or DFCW,= 60 > second and longer)=A0were used almost exclusively there, and several sta= tions > were able to successfully cross the pond in either direction. > > The situation has become a little more intricate as=A0more stations from= other > parts of the world (eg. Asia, China, Japan) are joining the game with > sensitive receivers and good signals. But I still think it would be help= ful > to separate RX and TX bands within each area as much as possible. > > My suggestion would be to=A0stick with the east-west=A0versus west-east > allocation of the two slots. Taking into account the path of mutual > darkness, this would mean that all stations should transmit in the lower > band during their evenings until local midnight, and then QSY to the low= er > band for the rest of the night. Receiver settings=A0would=A0of course be= vice > versa. > > I'm aware that this=A0scheme cannot be perfect and universal. It won't= cover > North-South hauls, and would not protect=A0signals during early or late > openings. But it's simple enough, and I believe it would still be very > useful. Please don't get me wrong - I do not want to discourage anyone= from > putting out a=A0signal, and certainly=A0reject the notion of=A0anything > reminiscent of=A0a=A0"band police". I just think a little coordination= may help > all of us to=A0be successful on this=A0challenging and fascinating band. > > Let me have your thoughts... > > 73 de Markus, DF6NM > > http://freenet-homepage.de/df6nm/Grabber.htm > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df01.mx.aol.com (rly-df01.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.14]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF021-5284b20f0c31bf; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:00:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF015-5284b20f0c31bf; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:59:48 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIibe-0002IB-VH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:58:54 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIibe-0002I2-BB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:58:54 +0000 Received: from qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.24]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIibb-0000AZ-MV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:58:53 +0000 Received: from OMTA23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.74]) by QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FQaL1d00A1c6gX852QykcP; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:58:44 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([76.23.233.102]) by OMTA23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FR7c1d0032DDHkk3jR7cF7; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:07:36 +0000 Message-ID: <006e01ca7998$809c0960$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep" Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:58:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: SAQ in CT Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 A couple from the early SAQ session. Can't report on signal strength as the receiving setup is entirely different than used in the past, although copy seems to be on par with good previous receptions. The files below are about 5 megs each. Tuneup: http://www.w1vd.com/SAQ121009A.wav Message: http://www.w1vd.com/SAQ121009B.wav Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma05.mx.aol.com (rly-ma05.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.49]) by air-ma02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA024-8a74b2575a3318; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:15:55 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA051-8a74b2575a3318; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:15:50 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJxbt-0002ME-6d for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:12:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJxbs-0002M5-G0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:12:16 +0000 Received: from rekin23.go2.pl ([193.17.41.16]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJxcT-0007IZ-W1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:12:57 +0000 Received: from rekin23.go2.pl (rekin23 [127.0.0.1]) by rekin23.go2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBD331288ED for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:12:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from unknown (unknown [10.0.0.142]) by rekin23.go2.pl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:12:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from 58-178-124-188.rev.pro-internet.pl [188.124.178.58] by poczta.o2.pl with ESMTP id lrpWjY; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:12:55 +0100 Message-ID: <01b501ca7c49$c99d3360$3ab27cbc@ap6fnsa53r3k6h> From: "Marcin" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC1F@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B23B319.9080005@usa.net> <4B23C4B5.10102@freenet.de> <003e01ca7b4d$307ac190$3ab27cbc@ap6fnsa53r3k6h> <4B23E5CD.6090209@freenet.de> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:12:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-O2-Trust: 2, 61 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Japanese time&frequency station Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Wolf, Alberto Wery thank for information. 73! Marcin SQ2BXI > Hi Marcin, > At the very moment on VLF..LF : > > 22.1 kHz GQD (Anthorn), strong, > 23.4 kHz DHO, extremely strong (my "VLF neighbour", hi) > 24.0 NAA Cutler, USA, about 40 dB weaker than DHO but very cleary visible, > 25.2 NML La Moure, USA, about 10 dB weaker than NAA but still visible > around 30 kHz : hell of a noise from energy saving QRM generators, > 37.5 kHz TFK from Iceland, strong, > around 40 kHz : lots of noise again, almost masking NAU on 40.75 kHz, > 45.9 NSY (US navy from Italy), very strong also, > 51.95 GYW from Scotland, > 53.4 TBG from Turkey with a RTTY-like sound (no MSK) > > plus a few 'unidentified' signals which don't look like MSK . > 73, Wolf . > > > Marcin schrieb: > > Hello Wolf > > Whats stations copy your monitor to range: 22-50kHz? > > 73! Marcin SQ2BXI > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc02.mx.aol.com (rly-mc02.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.86]) by air-mc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC072-d5b4b1817e137f; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:56:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC023-d5b4b1817e137f; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:56:19 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGHln-00041n-RF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:55:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGHln-00041e-FL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:55:19 +0000 Received: from mailout04.t-online.de ([194.25.134.18]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGHlm-0007vF-UV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:55:19 +0000 Received: from fwd10.aul.t-online.de by mailout04.t-online.de with smtp id 1NGHll-0007sL-02; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:55:17 +0100 Received: from e7010 (VajDXEZfghJdMTsv7USONLjLlO7s4RLmwqFBPaMoRs6noJDXREpkqV6vq1tF5jqwHw@[84.147.255.196]) by fwd10.aul.t-online.de with smtp id 1NGHlj-2IhYau0; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:55:15 +0100 Message-ID: <003401ca7452$87aaabd0$6402a8c0@e7010> From: "Walter und Marianne Staubach" To: Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:55:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-ID: VajDXEZfghJdMTsv7USONLjLlO7s4RLmwqFBPaMoRs6noJDXREpkqV6vq1tF5jqwHw X-TOI-MSGID: dc608ec6-ba22-4c98-97c8-cc4324479dd9 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: DI2AG WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01CA745A.E762F020" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CA745A.E762F020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear MF, DI2AG beacon QRV in WSPR on 505.090KHz. Power 0.4W ERP. Duty= cycle 33%. Please send your reports to the database. Thanks. 73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CA745A.E762F020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear MF,
      &= nbsp; DI2AG=20 beacon QRV in WSPR on 505.090KHz. Power 0.4W ERP. Duty cycle 33%.
Please send your reports to the datab= ase.=20 Thanks.
73    Walter  DI2= AG /=20 DJ2LF
 
------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CA745A.E762F020-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.18]) by air-ma10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA104-b5474b2fb466b8; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 12:46:14 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E6887380000A3; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 12:46:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMmEc-0002vz-Me for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:39:54 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMmEc-0002vq-9w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:39:54 +0000 Received: from warsl404pip4.highway.telekom.at ([195.3.96.117] helo=email.aon.at) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMmJm-0004dF-1p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:45:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 13602 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2009 17:45:06 -0000 Received: from 91-115-179-178.adsl.highway.telekom.at (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([91.115.179.178]) (envelope-sender ) by smarthub95.highway.telekom.at (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 21 Dec 2009 17:45:06 -0000 From: Gerhard Hickl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4B2F4A9E.18930.65980E@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> References: <4B2E5DDD.19628.1BDFE41@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> , <1261337394.5621.6.camel@gerhard-desktop> <4B2F4A9E.18930.65980E@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:45:06 +0100 Message-ID: <1261417506.1906.2.camel@gerhard-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: test this afternoon Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60124b2fb4656841 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Mike! Thanks for the schematic. I will try to build a similar thing with the parts I have in my junk box. Thanks you and Cheers OE3GHB Gerhard Am Montag, den 21.12.2009, 10:14 +0000 schrieb Mike Dennison: > The circuiit and notes are at: > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mike.dennison/index/lf/timer.htm > Please note that this was a junk box project and will need to be > changed to suit the components you have available. > > Mike, G3XDV > ========== > > > I had exactly the same problem with overheating and burned wires a > > week ago. So for this reason I would be interested which kind of > > "watchdog" you installed. > > > > Could you please make the schematic public? > > > > I think many of us have concerns about safety when the TX is on while > > we are sleeping. > > > > 73 > > > > OE3GHB > > > > Gerhard > > > > > > > > Am Sonntag, den 20.12.2009, 17:24 +0000 schrieb Mike Dennison: > > > A successful test this afternoon has proved my new safety timer that > > > cuts off the transmitter if it has been sending continuously for > > > more than 7 minutes. This gives me more confidence to transmit > > > overnight (after a worrying overheating incident a couple of weeks > > > ago) and I will run some night-time beacons as soon as the weather > > > becomes more reliable - more snow forecast here tonight. > > > > > > MIke, G3XDV > > > ========== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.89]) by air-mf03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF033-8be34b3cd6e53d4; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:52:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 30FD638000227; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:52:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQOEz-0005UH-OM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:51:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQOEz-0005U8-EG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:51:13 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQOEy-00083P-RV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:51:13 +0000 Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091231165107.JWYO17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:51:07 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091231165106.QJIH22934.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:51:06 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:50:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B3CD672.19169.6D3223C@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=gWr1CG1QS1ZjcxpEBDIA:9 a=OzZdBLPRTRoEabzav209pxZKqCkA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: XDV beacon Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40594b3cd6d27930 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I shall be ringing in the New Year by sending 'XDV' at QRSS60 on 136.3198kHz. I note that PA3CPM is on 136.3182kHz now. Mike, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf03.mx.aol.com (rly-mf03.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.173]) by air-mf10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF104-94c4b156317295; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:40:34 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF032-94c4b156317295; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:40:25 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFXdF-0002T9-8r for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:39:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFXdE-0002T0-U1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:39:24 +0000 Received: from smtp03.online.nl ([194.134.41.33]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFXdE-0000vs-AK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:39:24 +0000 Received: from smtp03.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp03.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A8856818C for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 19:39:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp03.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 19:39:18 +0100 (CET) From: To: "blacksheep" Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 19:39:18 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp03.online.nl) X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: 136 beacon Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello all, Henny,PA3CPM is beaconing at 136.540 KHz, QRSS10. Reports are apriciated, 73 Victor PA3FNY From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df08.mx.aol.com (rly-df08.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.21]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF041-56b4b2508bed5; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:31:21 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF082-56b4b2508bed5; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:31:12 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJqNk-0004HI-FW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:29:12 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJqNk-0004H9-4U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:29:12 +0000 Received: from smtp-out112.alice.it ([85.37.17.112]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJqOJ-0003T6-EI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:29:49 +0000 Received: from FBCMMO01.fbc.local ([192.168.68.195]) by smtp-out112.alice.it with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:29:40 +0100 Received: from FBCMCL01B05.fbc.local ([192.168.69.86]) by FBCMMO01.fbc.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:29:40 +0100 Received: from IK1ODO.spin-it.com ([87.24.41.185]) by FBCMCL01B05.fbc.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:29:39 +0100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:29:22 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Marco IK1ODO Cc: ik1hss@arrl.net In-Reply-To: <6E7638745A1B43168C402CDBB010C2A7@AGB> References: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> <241919.87622.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9afca2640912130305r3acb5e5fs991caaa1115d2255@mail.gmail.com> <6E7638745A1B43168C402CDBB010C2A7@AGB> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2009 15:29:39.0833 (UTC) FILETIME=[15F3CE90:01CA7C09] X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: IK1HSS WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 IK1HSS is active in WSPR on 137.740 (signal frequency, carrier is at 136.420). ERP power is 50 mW from JN35TB. Reports are appreciated to ik1hss@arrl.net ! 73 - Marco IK1ODO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb05.mx.aol.com (rly-mb05.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.163]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB071-d074b33479e2ef; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 05:51:22 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB053-d074b33479e2ef; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 05:51:11 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNlGO-0007xK-Ki for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:49:48 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNlGO-0007xB-51 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:49:48 +0000 Received: from mailout03.t-online.de ([194.25.134.81]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNlGM-0000ms-3h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:49:48 +0000 Received: from fwd04.aul.t-online.de by mailout03.t-online.de with smtp id 1NNlGH-0006Le-01; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:49:41 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.32] (VOsI-EZHghJ8JTxGyn2MnklIQCBILAPrQD16H+yGYb-UIRt1QcPrMJsw38HVasDwI-@[93.211.74.88]) by fwd04.t-online.de with esmtp id 1NNlFj-1ejPqC0; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:49:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de References:<4B3328FF.1000303@junkshifta.co.uk> <031201ca847d$3f968d10$0217aac0@desktop> In-Reply-To:<031201ca847d$3f968d10$0217aac0@desktop> To: X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 6.08.0003 Date: 24 Dec 2009 10:49 GMT Message-ID: <1NNlFj-1ejPqC0@fwd04.t-online.de> X-ID: VOsI-EZHghJ8JTxGyn2MnklIQCBILAPrQD16H+yGYb-UIRt1QcPrMJsw38HVasDwI- X-TOI-MSGID: 06b9a782-b36b-4cac-845e-c63c165c572c X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: RE: RE: saq Christmas transmission Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear James, according to the last SAQ message ther is no repetition at 16.00 UTC today, sri. 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "James Cowburn" schrieb: > Slept in and missed it!!!! (Red wine!!) > > Are they on air again at 16.00 utc??? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Lee Hudson > Sent: 24 December 2009 09:06 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: RE: saq Christmas transmission > > Hi Simon, LF Group > > Just put this recording on the web of the SAQ transmision. > Not as good as the ones earlier in the month. > > http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/SAQ%2020091224%200800utc%20Message.MP3 > > 73, > Lee M0LMH. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Simon Newhouse > Sent: 24 December 2009 08:41 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: saq Christmas transmission > > > Hello group, > > Has anyone made a recording of the SAQ broadcast this morning ? I > thought I had got it only to find that the soft ware was only recording > up to 5khz GRRRRRrrr.. That'll teach me to check my settings. Any way > the idea was to decode it at my leisure as I'm just learning morse. > > If any one has a recording that they could post to me I'd be very greatful. > > Thanks in advance. > > > Simon > > M0NWY. > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.117/2583 - Release Date: 12/23/09 > 19:02:00 > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (rly-mg04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.110]) by air-mg05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG051-a074b17cebd2a; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:44:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG041-a074b17cebd2a; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:44:15 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGCtf-000285-Tc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:43:07 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGCtf-00027w-CY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:43:07 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGCtd-0005zS-VJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:43:07 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nB3Eh2RC000444 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 15:43:02 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:43:03 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 15:43:05 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB1C@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <4B17A134.2020805@telia.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Fwd: Extra transmission with SAQ Dec 10 2009] Thread-Index: Acp0DMT8SUjNJrn+TdezjxMb+z8OYgAGdg2A From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.604;03.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.3.143318 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA7426.EB288FFD" Subject: LF: AW: [Fwd: Extra transmission with SAQ Dec 10 2009] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7426.EB288FFD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The german physicist is called Karl Ferdinand Braun (http://en.wikipedia.o= rg/wiki/Karl_Ferdinand_Braun )! =20 =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von Johan H. Bodin Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. Dezember 2009 12:30 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: [Fwd: Extra transmission with SAQ Dec 10 2009] =20 -------- Ursprungligt meddelande --------=20 =C4mne:=20 Extra transmission with SAQ Dec 10 2009 Datum:=20 Thu, 3 Dec 2009 10:07:58 +0100 Fr=E5n:=20 Lars Kalland Till:=20 AA/Lars K=E5lland =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 EXTRA GRIMETON RADIO/SAQ TRANSMISSION =20 =20 There will be a transmission with the Alexanderson alternator on 17,2 kHz= on December 10 2009 at 08:00 UTC and will be repeated at 16:00 UTC the sa= me day. =20 The reason for the extra transmission is a centenary commemoration of the= Nobel Prize given to Guglielmo Marconi and Karl Ferdinand Brown. =20 We do not require any QSL-reports this time and will not verify. =20 Regards. =20 =20 SM6NM/Lars =20 =20 =20 P.S.We still intend to continue with our annual transmissions on Christmas= Eve (morning), Dec 24, at 08:00 UTC with tuning up from 07:30 UTC. D.S. =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7426.EB288FFD Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The germ= an physicist is called Karl Ferdinand Braun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wi= ki/Karl_Ferdinand_Braun )!

 

 

-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org] Im Auftrag von Johan= H. Bodin
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. De= zember 2009 12:30
An: rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org
Betreff: LF: [Fwd: Extra transmission with SAQ Dec 10 2009]

 



-------- Ursprungligt meddelande --------

=C4mne:

Extra transmission with SAQ Dec 10= 2009

Datum:

Thu, 3 Dec 2009 10:07:58 +0100

Fr=E5n:

Lars Kalland <lars.kalland@telia.com>

Till:

AA/Lars K=E5lland <sm6nm@telia.com>

 

 

 

 

 

EXTRA

 GRIMETON RADIO/S= AQ TRANSMISSION

 

 

There will be a transmission with the Alexanderson alternator on 17,2 kHz on December 10 2009 at 08:00 UTC and will be repea= ted at 16:00 UTC the same= day.

 

The reason for the extra transmission is a centenary commemoration of the Nobel Prize giv= en to Guglielmo Marconi and Karl Ferdinand Brown.

 

We do not require any QSL-reports this time and will not verify.=

 

Regards.

 

 

SM6NM/Lars

 

 

 

P.S.We still intend to continue with our annual transmissions on Christmas Eve (morning= ), Dec 24, at 08:00 UTC wit= h tuning up from 07:30 UTC. D.S.

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7426.EB288FFD-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me02.mx.aol.com (rly-me02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.35]) by air-me02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME024-9a14b226d7f329; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:04:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME025-9a14b226d7f329; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:04:17 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ7xU-0000Cf-0z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:03:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ7xT-0000CV-FX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:03:07 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s21.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ7xS-0001cB-Ju for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:03:07 +0000 Received: from BLU146-DS4 ([65.55.116.8]) by blu0-omc1-s21.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:03:00 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [117.12.236.134] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: To: Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:02:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Dec 2009 16:03:00.0308 (UTC) FILETIME=[69809140:01CA7A7B] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: sequencing Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01CA7A7B.689B1340" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CA7A7B.689B1340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ill have the normal 137.775/781 window up tonight in China and second= one on centred on 136.318 - they should auto refresh once in a while. 137.777 window http://kl1x.com/137777China.html 136.318 window http://kl1x.com/136318China.html I cant guarantee they will stay on the assigned freqs as I play on 500= and HF as well - the 136.318 rx is off by about 0.1 Hz or so. Budapes= t is S9 and DCF39 up to S8 Good luck Laurence KL 1 X in BY3A R75 and SDRIQ ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CA7A7B.689B1340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ill have the normal 137.775/781 window up to= night in=20 China and second one on centred on 136.318 - they should auto refresh= once in a=20 while.
 
 
 
 
I cant guarantee they will stay on the assig= ned freqs as=20 I play on 500 and HF as well - the 136.318 rx is off by about 0.1 Hz= or so.=20 Budapest is S9 and DCF39 up to S8
 
Good luck
Laurence KL 1 X in BY3A
R75 and SDRIQ
 
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CA7A7B.689B1340-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (rly-dd09.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.156]) by air-dd03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD034-b9c4b1b89bd2c1; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 05:39:02 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD096-b9c4b1b89bd2c1; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 05:38:54 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHEVB-0003pF-QC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:38:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHEVB-0003p6-EY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:38:05 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHEVA-0005sS-SB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:38:05 +0000 Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl (dovemail11.xs4all.nl [194.109.26.13]) by smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nB6Abt1T000451 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:38:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Received: from 82.161.81.65 (SquirrelMail authenticated user pa0rdt) by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:38:04 +0100 Message-ID: <6f6323b4ef15ccb35053e16372a12d8e.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <4B1AB45C.8080403@ukonline.co.uk> References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <1259777260.4b16acec27aa8@imp.netikka.net> <4B179D08.3030706@ukonline.co.uk> <4B1AB45C.8080403@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:38:04 +0100 From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.18 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: reducing common-mode noise Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Peter, Thank you for your answer. I have used one at the input of a broadband pre-amplifier for a MW Dx-er and it reduced the noise and signals received on a 50 m long coaxial feedline of a KAZ antenna and also restored the directional pattern. 73, Roelof, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md05.mx.aol.com (rly-md05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.143]) by air-md04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD041-9014b222d9b1e4; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 06:31:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD051-9014b222d9b1e4; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 06:31:41 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ3hj-0005xT-LV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:30:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ3hj-0005xK-1D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:30:35 +0000 Received: from qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.24]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ3hh-00082E-KS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:30:35 +0000 Received: from OMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.35]) by QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FnMA1d0040ldTLk52nWTM3; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:30:27 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([76.23.233.102]) by OMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FnWR1d0042DDHkk3QnWRq7; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:30:27 +0000 Message-ID: <00f001ca7a55$55dac550$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 06:30:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: Re: Intercontinental LF waterholes Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00EC_01CA7A2B.6BFE70E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00EC_01CA7A2B.6BFE70E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marcus, T/A enthusiasts Thanks for bringing this issue up for discussion - hope you get a better response than I did last year ;~) In the northeast USA it is impossible to monitor the 'high' waterhole for T/A when either XGJ or XES is on the air. The problem cannot be fixed with directional receiving antennas. In previous years I did quite a bit of T/A reception work but now rarely even take a look at the 'high' watering hole. Not attempting to police the band but merely point out the situation. If stations return to the 'low' watering hole I will certainly listen (watch). Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: Markus Vester To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 6:14 PM Subject: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes Dear LF group, recently we find the "transatlantic waterhole" around 137.777 kHz quite busy. Several Europeans have started beaconing within this segment. And there has been some fast (QRSS3 or 10) activity, with wide traces covering up possible transatlantic DX signalling frequencies. During the last years, we have attempted to split the frequency bands for both directions of transatlantic work. Traditional segments were around 137.777 kHz west-to-east (for Americans transmitting towards Eu), and around 136.320 kHz east-west (for Eu to stateside). Slow modes (QRSS or DFCW, 60 second and longer) were used almost exclusively there, and several stations were able to successfully cross the pond in either direction. The situation has become a little more intricate as more stations from other parts of the world (eg. Asia, China, Japan) are joining the game with sensitive receivers and good signals. But I still think it would be helpful to separate RX and TX bands within each area as much as possible. My suggestion would be to stick with the east-west versus west-east allocation of the two slots. Taking into account the path of mutual darkness, this would mean that all stations should transmit in the lower band during their evenings until local midnight, and then QSY to the lower band for the rest of the night. Receiver settings would of course be vice versa. I'm aware that this scheme cannot be perfect and universal. It won't cover North-South hauls, and would not protect signals during early or late openings. But it's simple enough, and I believe it would still be very useful. Please don't get me wrong - I do not want to discourage anyone from putting out a signal, and certainly reject the notion of anything reminiscent of a "band police". I just think a little coordination may help all of us to be successful on this challenging and fascinating band. Let me have your thoughts... 73 de Markus, DF6NM http://freenet-homepage.de/df6nm/Grabber.htm ------=_NextPart_000_00EC_01CA7A2B.6BFE70E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Marcus, T/A enthusiasts
 
Thanks for bringing this issue up for= discussion -=20 hope you get a better response than I did last year ;~)
 
In the northeast USA it is impossible=  to=20 monitor the 'high' waterhole for T/A when either XGJ or XES is on= the air.=20 The problem cannot be fixed with directional receiving antennas. In pr= evious=20 years I did quite a bit of T/A reception work but now rarely even take= a look at=20 the 'high' watering hole. 
 
Not attempting to police the band but= merely point=20 out the situation. If stations return to the 'low' watering hole I wil= l=20 certainly listen (watch).
 
Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2<= /FONT>
 
    
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 10,= 2009 6:14=20 PM
Subject: LF: Intercontinental= LF=20 waterholes

Dear LF group,
 
recently we find the "transatlantic= waterhole"=20 around 137.777 kHz quite busy. Several Europeans have started beacon= ing within=20 this segment. And there has been some fast (QRSS3 or 10) activity,= with wide=20 traces covering up possible transatlantic DX signalling=20 frequencies.
 
During the last years, we have = ;attempted=20 to split the frequency bands for both directions of transa= tlantic=20 work. Traditional segments were around 137.777 kHz west-to= -east (for=20 Americans transmitting towards Eu), and around 136.320 kHz east-west= (for Eu=20 to stateside). Slow modes (Q= RSS or DFCW,=20 60 second and longer) were used almost exclusively there, and= several=20 stations were able to successfully cross the pond in either=20 direction.
 
The situation has become a little= more intricate=20 as more stations from other parts of the world (eg. Asia, China= , Japan)=20 are joining the game with sensitive receivers and good signals. But= I still=20 think it would be helpful to separate RX and TX bands within each ar= ea as much=20 as possible.
 
My suggestion would be to stic= k with the=20 east-west versus west-east allocation of the two slots. Taking= into=20 account the path of mutual darkness, this would mean that all statio= ns should=20 transmit in the lower band during their evenings until local midnigh= t, and=20 then QSY to the lower band for the rest of the night. Receiver=20 settings would of course be vice versa.
 
I'm aware that this scheme can= not be perfect=20 and universal. It won't cover North-South hauls, and would not=20 protect signals during early or late openings. But it's simple enough, and I believe it would= still be very=20 useful. Please don't get me wrong= - I do not=20 want to discourage anyone from putting out a signal, and=20 certainly reject the notion of anything reminiscent=20 of a "band police". I just think a little coordination may= help all=20 of us to be successful on this challenging and fascinating= =20 band.
 
Let me have your thoughts...=
 
73 de Markus, DF6NM
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_00EC_01CA7A2B.6BFE70E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (rly-mf05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.175]) by air-mf07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF074-9604b332f74393; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 04:08:22 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF056-9604b332f74393; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 04:08:05 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNjfB-0007Is-KM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:07:17 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNjfB-0007Ie-3Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:07:17 +0000 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNjf9-00009z-7P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:07:17 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4EAIq9MktZ8Xja/2dsb2JhbACNVQaOU7hhhDME X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,448,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="233204906" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([89.241.120.218]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2009 09:07:09 +0000 Message-ID: <001101ca8478$7a4c6790$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:07:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: MF WE2XGR/6 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA8478.79F8F060" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA8478.79F8F060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Strong signal this morning at 0300 utc rst 569, on 600 m band. Ant 40m= vert loop E/W. The signal would have been even stronger on the 1/4 wa= ve inv L Good time for a CW QSO de mal/g3kev =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA8478.79F8F060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Strong signal this morning at 0300 ut= c rst=20 569, on 600 m band. Ant 40m vert loop E/W. The signal would&= nbsp;have=20 been even stronger on the 1/4 wave inv L
Good time for a CW QSO
 
de mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA8478.79F8F060-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.221]) by air-ma07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA071-b52c4b3a8a84378; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:02:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2E87638000107; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:02:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPl4Q-0001UL-0B for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:01:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPl4P-0001UC-LH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:01:41 +0000 Received: from qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.40]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPl4O-00063S-33 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:01:41 +0000 Received: from OMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.20]) by QMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id P7p21d0060SCNGk54B1aqk; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:01:34 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([76.23.233.102]) by OMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id PB1Z1d0052DDHkk3VB1ZhQ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:01:34 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01ca88da$d8aaf110$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <005701ca88da$4eb82720$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:01:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: Re: WE2XGR/2 WE2XGR/6 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA88B0.EF3797A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60dd4b3a8a8457f5 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA88B0.EF3797A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mal Listened for you earlier but no joy. Gg to take another listen for your now. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: mal hamilton To: rsgb Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 5:57 PM Subject: LF: WE2XGR/2 WE2XGR/6 bOTH GOOD SIGNALS ON 507.3 CW, solid copy here at 2255utc mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA88B0.EF3797A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mal
 
Listened for you earlier but no joy.= Gg to take=20 another listen for your now.
 
Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2<= /FONT>
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Tuesday, December 29,= 2009 5:57=20 PM
Subject: LF: WE2XGR/2 WE2XGR/= 6

bOTH GOOD SIGNALS ON 507.3 CW, soli= d copy here at=20 2255utc
mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA88B0.EF3797A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da03.mx.aol.com (rly-da03.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.77]) by air-da02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA023-a5e4b2b6a2e3d6; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 06:40:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA036-a5e4b2b6a2e3d6; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 06:40:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLb7k-00013s-TQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:35:56 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLb7k-00013j-6J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:35:56 +0000 Received: from web28108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.128]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLbB5-0004SH-7x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:39:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 31251 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Dec 2009 11:39:16 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1261136356; bh=3xdts2AN+5qflmOZ3/Unen3Kud7yuAO2NNyj9xSD4yY=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GgYCpDMQE1CE/NANcsj+djT7gUPOiEJlYU7D6TGdkn+P5Ns3ujjle+xyHiYGVKx2j/ee6mslMaIAbviDIhwTdmbPhnFSLmZBO0OZ8Iei1Qeha1nC3PMJKw57Wj1F9SzLpn3D5gw+eYvKSbO3XBg3HKm/sBPsuYdpNS9aqfpBS7A= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jnI6OA4bf7s2VZ/VFbKQoZWQFDUgzTu7jqN3RAK1oqGkp55RcfFzEii83VozIk2M5wIKEZX22hmDAXE21jPRqbbP7gQyErgITQEKNaOV7sx9AMRhPKMkHRronMHMrqlUZ0xCNaFwY90lbkOpRT+h/V+IT+29yfZF5ium2F6EZ40=; Message-ID: <914980.30417.qm@web28108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: aHlTcMsVM1lReVi_S4iqS2qRy9FusVuu_69B_hmgf8sDluUabQ41LLwuL_44dQwXVXJBS7pgsiE5BZnyKmV_zOhTRVfM1QvqhORTYmADLo5Tj8WMJjU6QGCMJ93vILrFjE1fOxCJwz1iwdTlvQ.SH.vQowD9Glqeokx8izt7zKe30y46.5yV9TWJoGvkzaWhBjFGedf1YYYjiKTxd.reoAkZksiPY9sphUkPU3IrmqJZ1rUIfZ6LVQvObM6AWFrQTZn0A7NVNgWhzsRBeR_a3I7f Received: from [86.143.244.51] by web28108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 03:39:16 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 03:39:16 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-527477467-1261136356=:30417" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m201.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail --0-527477467-1261136356=:30417 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FYI=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 16|12|09 Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band) Following representations made by the Radio Society of Great Britain and= negotiations by Ofcom with the Maritime and Coastguard Agency, Ofcom has= decided to extend the period of Notices of Variation (NoVs) to the licenc= e for operation in the 501 to 504 kHz band until 29 February 2012. The max= imum effective radiated power (e.r.p.) limit is maintained at 10 dBW (10= W). Existing NoVs are due to expire at the end of February 2010.=20 There have been no reports of interference and investigation has shown tha= t a radiated power of 10 dBW is not likely to cause interference. Moreover= , NoV holders are permitted to operate only subject to causing no interfer= ence.=20 Special Research Permits under a Notice of Variation to the Licence are ma= de available to holders of Full Amateur Licences on a case by case basis= to applicants who can demonstrate a genuine interest in experimentation= at these frequencies and provide adequate supporting documentation for as= sessment.=20 Due to the usage of the spectrum around the 500 kHz bands, applicants shou= ld pay special attention to demonstrating technical and operational compet= ence in terms of transmitting within the frequency band and Effective Radi= ated Power (e.r.p.) parameters agreed with Ofcom. Previous experience at= 73 kHz as well as 136 kHz will be considered desirable in this respect to= ensure adequate steps are taken to limit any potential interference.=20 Ofcom will monitor any interference reports and also consider limiting num= bers if necessary in reviewing operation in the band. On no account will= an e.r.p. level of greater than 10 dBW be permitted under any circumstanc= e.=20 The standard application form (OfW306) for a Special Research Permit can= be downloaded at: http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/applicati= ons/ofw306.pdf=20 A fresh NoV will automatically be issued to existing NoV holders; new appl= ications are not required in this instance. Should a fresh NoV not be required or if you are in possession of an NoV= which is not required, please inform the Ofcom Licensing Centre stating= your name, call sign and Licence number preferably by e-mail to licensing= centre@ofcom.org.uk or alternatively by post to the address at the end of= the text.=20 Form OfW306 is also available on request from the Ofcom Licensing Centre= at:=20 Ofcom Licensing Centre=20 Amateur Radio Riverside House 2a Southwark Bridge Road London SE1 9HA=20 Tel: 020 7981 3131=20 73 es GL petefmt =20 --0-527477467-1261136356=:30417 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
FYI      = ; 16|12|09

Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band)=

Following representations made by the Radio Society of Great Britain= and negotiations by Ofcom with the Maritime and Coastguard Agency, Ofcom has decided to extend the period of Notices of Vari= ation (NoVs) to the licence for operation in the 501 to 504 kHz band until= 29 February 2012. The maximum effective radiated power (e= .r.p.) limit is maintained at 10 dBW (10 W). Existing NoVs are due to expi= re at the end of February 2010.
There have been no reports of interference and investigation= has shown that a radiated power of 10 dBW is not likely to cause interfer= ence. Moreover, NoV holders are permitted to operate only subject to causi= ng no interference.
Special Research Permits under a Notice of Variation to the Licence= are made available to holders of Full Amateur Licences on a case by case= basis to applicants who can demonstrate a genuine interest in experimenta= tion at these frequencies and provide adequate supporting documentation fo= r assessment.
Due to the usage of the spectrum around the 500 kHz bands, applicants= should pay special attention to demonstrating technical and operational= competence in terms of transmitting within the frequency band and Effecti= ve Radiated Power (e.r.p.) parameters agreed with Ofcom. Previous experien= ce at 73 kHz as well as 136 kHz will be considered desirable in this respe= ct to ensure adequate steps are taken to limit any potential interference.=
Ofcom will monitor any interference reports and also consider limitin= g numbers if necessary in reviewing operation in the band. On no account= will an e.r.p. level of greater than 10 dBW be permitted under any circum= stance.
The standard application form (OfW306) for a Special Research Permit= can be downloaded at:
http://www.ofcom.org.= uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/applications/ofw306.pdf
A fresh NoV will automatically be issued to existing NoV holders; new= applications are not required in this instance.
Should a fresh NoV not= be required or if you are in possession of an NoV which is not required,= please inform the Ofcom Licensing Centre stating your name, call sign and= Licence number preferably by e-mail to licensingcentre@ofcom.org.uk or alternatively by post to= the address at the end of the text.
Form OfW306 is also available on request from the Ofcom Licensing Cen= tre at:
Ofcom Licensing Centre
Amateur Radio
Riverside House
2a Sou= thwark Bridge Road
London SE1 9HA
Tel: 020 7981 3131

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=20 --0-527477467-1261136356=:30417-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md07.mx.aol.com (rly-md07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.145]) by air-md09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD092-9174b20de1f326; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:40:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD077-9174b20de1f326; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:40:17 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIhMg-0001wt-GN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:39:22 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIhMf-0001wk-W0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:39:22 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s29.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.40]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIhMc-00083d-LA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:39:21 +0000 Received: from BLU146-DS6 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s29.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 10 Dec 2009 03:39:11 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [117.12.234.152] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: To: References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <20091210100700.32DEC31E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <1260444821.6353.65.camel@vaio3rd> In-Reply-To: <1260444821.6353.65.camel@vaio3rd> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:39:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2009 11:39:11.0846 (UTC) FILETIME=[64973060:01CA798D] X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: AW: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Look forward to seeing the Signals Rik - The 13th will be my last weekend of Ops in China, and will be returning to Oklahoma in January ,,,,,,, Laurence KL 1 X in BY3A -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Wakatori" <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 11:33 AM To: Subject: Re: LF: AW: TX-2200A > I agree Rik's observation on the 100W limitation. > > Average CW operator is a KEY-technician without any science. > A good earth is essencial for LF operation, otherwise would get LF shock > at frame of transmitter. > Linear amplifier is based on self responsibility. > > There is another reason in a market place for such tranceiver in JP. > 100W/50W machine has much wider, say 100 times, of market place than 1KW > machine. > > In any way, there is still a high wall in front of a operator who > bought the machine, such tuner, good earth, good antenna and etc. > > In any way, I will operate QRSS60 using TX2200A/50W at 137780Hz+-1Hz in > a peak of peninsular from 01:00UTC to 02:30UTC on coming Sunday,December > 13,20 or 27 depending on crimate. > 73, > -- > -.. . --... .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-. > 7L1RLL under ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP) > URL=http://www1.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html > -..--- -.- .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-... ...-. > On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 11:07 +0100, Rik Strobbe wrote: >> Stefan, >> >> there is one good reason to limit the output >> power 100W: more power could become lethal (high antenna voltages / >> currents). >> The "black box operators" must be protected >> against this danger, otherwise they might go QRT due to "natural >> selection" :-) >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> At 10:19 10/12/2009, you wrote: >> >Warren, LF, >> >Tnx for the info! >> >I am not "afraid" that now many OMs come on the >> >band who just bought their rig, like on HF. Even >> >if you could buy a loading coil, you never will >> >get qrv satisfactorily cause you always have to >> >consider many things like the earth, the local >> >noise reduction, the impedance transformation to 50 Ohm and so on. >> >These OMs, even if they could buy a automatic >> >tuner (that would not be easy to create as a >> >commercial product) for LF, would be frustrated >> >soon cause there are no contests and no 100s of >> >stns calling on the band ;-) They would say "LF >> >is dead, just nerving qrm" and would never get >> >the fascination that we all experience. >> >Finally I don't understand why this PA has just >> >100W. To reach 1W ERP, most LFers have to apply >> >1kW and more, so 100W is QRP on LF ;-). 1kW can >> >easily be reached on LF without using expensive >> >special transistors and drivers and ferrite >> >cores. E.g. with one simple IRFP360 we can built >> >a 1kW high efficiency calss d or e PA that costs not even 50€... >> >These difficulties to get qrv is one part of the >> >LF hobby and if they are solved, one can be glad >> >even without doing 100s of qsos in one evening :-) >> > >> >Stefan / DK7FC >> >-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> >Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Warren >> >Ziegler >> >Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. Dezember 2009 16:30 >> >An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> >Betreff: LF: TX-2200A >> > >> >Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 >> >Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver >> >muting. >> >Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! >> > >> >http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf >> > >> > >> > >> >73 Warren K2ORS >> > WD2XGJ >> > WD2XSH/23 >> > WE2XEB/2 >> > WE2XGR/1 >> >> > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf06.mx.aol.com (rly-mf06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.176]) by air-mf09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF091-96a4b2d211f3ca; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:53:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF068-96a4b2d211f3ca; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:53:21 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NM4Ll-0003B3-9c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:48:21 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NM4Lk-0003Au-Tr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:48:20 +0000 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NM4Po-00065g-Q9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:52:34 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvgEABawLEtOlrSE/2dsb2JhbACOCgaOGbhRhC4E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,424,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="227884375" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.150.180.132]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2009 18:52:25 +0000 Message-ID: <002801ca80dc$639db200$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:52:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: HOT 500 RX Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01CA80DC.634A3AD0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01CA80DC.634A3AD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Using a marine RX Haghenuk EE 430 at present 10 kcs - 30 mcs. 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------=_NextPart_000_0025_01CA80DC.634A3AD0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.13]) by air-dc10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC104-86a84b3ca5bb3d; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 08:23:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 6E03C3800008C; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 08:23:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQKyO-00047V-7J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:21:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQKyN-00047M-OC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:21:51 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQKyM-0006nu-4u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:21:51 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AA337B8047 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:21:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F0B31E702 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:21:38 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 3D58418056; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:21:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from 22.106-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (22.106-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [87.64.106.22]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:21:37 +0100 Message-ID: <20091231142137.ileq10eosgk0g4c4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:21:37 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <1f0624b90912310349r8408cbaof4bb6e0e17d6fb9a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b90912310349r8408cbaof4bb6e0e17d6fb9a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 87.64.106.22 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Grabber. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410d4b3ca5ba6e41 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Gary, maybe more compression in the jpeg. Using Corel Photo Paint I could reduce the file size to 50% with little visual impact. 73, Rik ON7YD Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > Hi All, > > Sorry to have to announce that my grabber is inoperative at the moment. > > It seems that I have regularly exceeded the daily quota set by the > ISP/web site provider. I have been transparently placed in > "restricted service" which is only allowing about 5 > uploads/downloads each day. I expect that it will take some time for > my average to come down sufficient to allow my regular uploads again. > > Also I will have to make the upload file sizes smaller & less > regular so as to keep within this upload limit. > > I will post a notice here when all is running normally again. > > 73 es HNY > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (rly-mf07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.177]) by air-mf10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF101-96b4b35381a12; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 17:09:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF071-96b4b35381a12; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 17:09:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOIKP-0003gr-6U for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 22:08:09 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOIKO-0003gi-H4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 22:08:08 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s6.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.16]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOIKM-0000qH-Lp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 22:08:08 +0000 Received: from COL122-W22 ([65.55.34.7]) by col0-omc1-s6.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:07:53 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:07:52 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Dec 2009 22:07:53.0442 (UTC) FILETIME=[B49C3420:01CA85AE] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_1807ed5f-6a76-43bd-abab-4b055aa69775_" Subject: LF: PAT_499kHz X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --_1807ed5f-6a76-43bd-abab-4b055aa69775_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_a1e96ae8-5f5e-4dc3-9d13-344cea9846a1_" --_a1e96ae8-5f5e-4dc3-9d13-344cea9846a1_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF! I see "PAT" well, it is 589 QSB audible signal. 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED infor= mace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_a1e96ae8-5f5e-4dc3-9d13-344cea9846a1_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF!
I see "PAT" well, it is 589 QSB audible signal.

73!
Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7A82.65078810-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma09.mx.aol.com (rly-ma09.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.53]) by air-ma05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA051-8c94b221dd11b4; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:24:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA093-8c94b221dd11b4; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:24:18 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ2eI-0004np-RZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:22:58 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ2eI-0004ng-Bz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:22:58 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ2eH-0006hd-Hl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:22:58 +0000 Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091211102252.KVSJ17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:22:52 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091211102251.LQIS2093.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:22:51 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:22:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B221D77.23434.434B0D@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <88EEC52E6C874CCEB966804D073A3376@White> References: , <88EEC52E6C874CCEB966804D073A3376@White> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1ggfb5FlKZQUfF3vzm9UBYZ2uTfLsbs/8dSljwg5+mE= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=CoL-6qTFAAAA:8 a=kva8DVtfiumVbL9qqVYA:9 a=_JMN-AUEVTue1n148n13gdFrjEAA:4 a=oWLST5IWEHIA:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=4SXIRHu93P0d4zZ3:21 a=H9aEk48mZv97H7Kj:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Markus is absolutely right. This should reduce QRM for those monitoring for DX, and improve the chance of two-way DX QSOs. However, I think many stations have recently used the upper slot because most grabbers are set for this area (except Markus's own excellent system). Is it possible for more grabbers to be dual frequency? Mke, G3XDV ========== On 11 Dec 2009 at 9:38, Markus Vester wrote: > Dear LF, > > the passage should have said: > > Taking into account the path of mutual darkness, this would mean that > all stations should transmit in the UPPER band during their evenings > until local midnight, and then QSY to the lower band for the rest of > the night. > > Sorry for the confusion. > > 73, Markus > > > From: Markus Vester > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 12:14 AM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes > > > Dear LF group, > > recently we find the "transatlantic waterhole" around 137.777 kHz > quite busy. Several Europeans have started beaconing within this > segment. And there has been some fast (QRSS3 or 10) activity, with > wide traces covering up possible transatlantic DX signalling > frequencies. > > During the last years, we have attempted to split the frequency bands > for both directions of transatlantic work. Traditional segments were > around 137.777 kHz west-to-east (for Americans transmitting towards > Eu), and around 136.320 kHz east-west (for Eu to stateside). Slow > modes (QRSS or DFCW, 60 second and longer) were used almost > exclusively there, and several stations were able to successfully > cross the pond in either direction. > > The situation has become a little more intricate as more stations from > other parts of the world (eg. Asia, China, Japan) are joining the game > with sensitive receivers and good signals. But I still think it would > be helpful to separate RX and TX bands within each area as much as > possible. > > My suggestion would be to stick with the east-west versus west-east > allocation of the two slots. Taking into account the path of mutual > darkness, this would mean that all stations should transmit in the > lower band during their evenings until local midnight, and then QSY to > the lower band for the rest of the night. Receiver settings would of > course be vice versa. > > I'm aware that this scheme cannot be perfect and universal. It won't > cover North-South hauls, and would not protect signals during early or > late openings. But it's simple enough, and I believe it would still be > very useful. Please don't get me wrong - I do not want to discourage > anyone from putting out a signal, and certainly reject the notion of > anything reminiscent of a "band police". I just think a little > coordination may help all of us to be successful on this challenging > and fascinating band. > > Let me have your thoughts... > > 73 de Markus, DF6NM > > http://freenet-homepage.de/df6nm/Grabber.htm > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd08.mx.aol.com (rly-dd08.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.155]) by air-dd01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD014-b904b1fa4bb25c; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:23:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD082-b904b1fa4bb25c; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:23:09 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIMUe-0001Lj-HL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:22:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIMUe-0001La-3G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:22:12 +0000 Received: from smtp829.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.13.164]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIMUd-0002tE-G9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:22:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 55686 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2009 13:22:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Importance:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To; b=h0Hez58QYSSCTzswjX/n5U4lxKALyGd7PIcM6eGfToFrNTtV+xPKQ49v/nsqE7I4f35wqj4T+b8q0+gV+7w8QBXtcDFBq6rMUaHoKSYgYJTe7AjqSQgsJhApQZ0wfWcFBQFJJfgUMFdcHMDJqR9cWNYLazk9qGIuaX6DLXcQHyQ= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Inspiron) (hudsonville@86.128.232.252 with login) by smtp829.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 13:22:04 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: T9P8HheswBCXVWXq3ajpBY99bVSvRxQZ2abOUyeQ53_fqQzzpx0V X-YMail-OSG: xUsaEQYVM1lzvpgdA0CjkmXvf8NGezXQBQQu3kfZe6GDOOkDUHyO1OgPfHsmYfLQzknb3mz95n0FxyY8C1w56nBy1doArkPuBIpIcm6QWIcx57FUn5bPmgDzKikHp.Po1vuNl3zuIe4zMpsXwGJjisiDe0l5VGwlKdexlQb7F2wJ.zoADJe3J27UyZj11nI6MridfshOxluudm8anHJoajhua6oRnid1o_5qqGw0 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Lee Hudson" To: Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:22:04 -0000 Message-ID: <0A667E7D7DF54FD9988B161C022FDEDA@Inspiron> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Acp40U2qh/sVECWEQmqHzZOXGW28VgAATCsg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <539393.64347.qm@web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.5 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: RE: LF: SAQ Testing Now Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01CA78D2.99949FC0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CA78D2.99949FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Seem to be back on again now 13:21utc Lee. M0LMH -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of M0FMT Sent: 09 December 2009 13:11 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: SAQ Testing Now Maybe too late but nothing heard hear IO91UX Hitchin Herts UK. ..... Four Alpha stations loud and clear a bit further down the band though..... Conditions have improved ! 73 Petefmt --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Johan H. Bodin wrote: From: Johan H. Bodin Subject: Re: LF: SAQ Testing Now To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 12:46 Still testing at 1247 UTC Johan SM6LKM Lee Hudson wrote: > 17.2kHz > > Lee. > M0LMH. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.99/2553 - Release Date: 12/08/09 19:54:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CA78D2.99949FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Seem=20 to be back on again now 13:21utc
 
Lee.
M0LMH
-----Original Message-----
Fro= m:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org]=20 On Behalf Of M0FMT
Sent: 09 December 2009 13:11
= To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: SAQ Testing= =20 Now

Maybe too late but nothing heard hear IO91UX Hitchin Hert= s UK.=20 ..... Four Alpha stations loud and clear a bit further down th= e band=20 though..... Conditions have improved !
 
73 Petefmt
 


--- On Wed, 9/12/09, Johan H. Bodin=20 <jh.bodin@telia.com> wrote:

From:=20 Johan H. Bodin <jh.bodin@telia.com>
Subject: Re: LF= : SAQ=20 Testing Now
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Wed= nesday, 9=20 December, 2009, 12:46

Still testing at 1247 UTC
Johan=20 SM6LKM

Lee Hudson wrote:
> 17.2kHz
> = ;
>=20 Lee.
> M0LMH.


No virus found in this incoming messa= ge.
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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CA78D2.99949FC0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df02.mx.aol.com (rly-df02.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.15]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF064-52f4b250d851c1; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:51:47 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF022-52f4b250d851c1; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:51:35 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJqi6-0004Tx-24 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:50:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJqi5-0004To-NU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:50:13 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJqiY-0004Xv-Pj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:50:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 14908 invoked by uid 507); 13 Dec 2009 16:50:29 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2009 16:50:29 +0100 Message-ID: <200912131650370753.08A01009@smtp2.numeo.fr> In-Reply-To: References: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> <241919.87622.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9afca2640912130305r3acb5e5fs991caaa1115d2255@mail.gmail.com> <6E7638745A1B43168C402CDBB010C2A7@AGB> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:50:37 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: ik1hss@arrl.net X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: Re: LF: IK1HSS WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 20 to 30dB over noise/LX at 1550z. John Rabson F5VLF 58800 Cervon France JN17vg *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 13/12/2009 at 16:29 Marco IK1ODO wrote: >IK1HSS is active in WSPR on 137.740 (signal frequency, carrier is at >136.420). >ERP power is 50 mW from JN35TB. > >Reports are appreciated to ik1hss@arrl.net ! > >73 - Marco IK1ODO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb02.mx.aol.com (rly-mb02.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.155]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB042-cee4b20d0d115c; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:43:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB022-cee4b20d0d115c; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:43:31 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIgTS-0001EU-R1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:42:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIgTS-0001EL-8D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:42:18 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIgTR-0001xq-EM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:42:18 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBAAgFja028063 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:42:15 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:42:15 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:42:17 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ABE9@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <20091210100700.32DEC31E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: AW: TX-2200A Thread-Index: Acp5gW2FA4OKFL6sSFWMbcvN5Pw+iAAAVBEw From: =?windows-1258?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.614;09.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.10.103038 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1258" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: LF: AW: TX-2200A X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Rik,=20 Of course, thats true ;-) Especially when they use a short wire like a dipole for 40m. But that dang= er can be reduced: You just need a loss resistance that is high enough, hi= ... But: I don't think high voltages in a region of 10kV will kill you (in suc= h a application, say 200W and 20m of wire in 10m height und a loss resista= nce of 100 Ohm). It is due to the skin effect (with 50Hz it would look com= pletely different, hi) and due to the fact that if you touch the loading= coil, the resonance (and so the voltage) gets off-tuned. But surely there= will be a hole burned in the finger / skin that is aching and smelling ;-= ) At work, when we present our institute on a tradeshow, we sometimes presen= t a series resonance circuit that is also operating in that frequency rang= e. In that circuit we have around 20...30kV and show a fluorescent lamp li= ghtning when touched at one end and so on. The power injected in this reso= nance circuit is also abt 100W. Almost everyone got a spark in the finger= in a moment of unconcentration but you just feel a pain in the finger for= that moment.=20 Anyway, I can renounce on it ;-) 73, Stefan / DK7FC -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Dezember 2009 11:07 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: AW: TX-2200A Stefan, there is one good reason to limit the output=20 power 100W: more power could become lethal (high antenna voltages / curren= ts). The "black box operators" must be protected=20 against this danger, otherwise they might go QRT due to "natural selection= " :-) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 10:19 10/12/2009, you wrote: >Warren, LF, >Tnx for the info! >I am not "afraid" that now many OMs come on the=20 >band who just bought their rig, like on HF. Even=20 >if you could buy a loading coil, you never will=20 >get qrv satisfactorily cause you always have to=20 >consider many things like the earth, the local=20 >noise reduction, the impedance transformation to 50 Ohm and so on. >These OMs, even if they could buy a automatic=20 >tuner (that would not be easy to create as a=20 >commercial product) for LF, would be frustrated=20 >soon cause there are no contests and no 100s of=20 >stns calling on the band ;-) They would say "LF=20 >is dead, just nerving qrm" and would never get=20 >the fascination that we all experience. >Finally I don't understand why this PA has just=20 >100W. To reach 1W ERP, most LFers have to apply=20 >1kW and more, so 100W is QRP on LF ;-). 1kW can=20 >easily be reached on LF without using expensive=20 >special transistors and drivers and ferrite=20 >cores. E.g. with one simple IRFP360 we can built=20 >a 1kW high efficiency calss d or e PA that costs not even 50=80... >These difficulties to get qrv is one part of the=20 >LF hobby and if they are solved, one can be glad=20 >even without doing 100s of qsos in one evening :-) > >Stefan / DK7FC >-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Warren Ziegler >Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. Dezember 2009 16:30 >An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Betreff: LF: TX-2200A > >Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 >Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver >muting. >Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! > >http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf > > > >73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (rly-dd04.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.151]) by air-dd09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD093-b724b19b0fce4; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 20:02:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD044-b724b19b0fce4; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 20:01:49 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGj0m-0003rI-98 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 01:00:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGj0l-0003r9-Hx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 01:00:35 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGj0k-000086-AK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 01:00:35 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 05 Dec 2009 01:00:25 -0000 Received: from p5DC43D4D.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.196.61.77] by mail.gmx.net (mp061) with SMTP; 05 Dec 2009 02:00:25 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19vdJoXXCtvYBycL0usFPplQ1IKF97GP0C1h3tSC1 CvlxsNQgGA1Yp2 Message-ID: <000a01ca7546$54b355c0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <59DC6AF25071476FA37B42E3896BC627@radiorummet> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 01:33:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.6,0.6 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01C9_01CA754A.F7A054F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_01C9_01CA754A.F7A054F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi GUs, see below: 2118 8 0.4 136.151499 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2138 9 0.6 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2144 8 0.7 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2218 7 0.6 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2222 8 0.7 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2226 9 0.8 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Gus To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:55 PM Subject: LF: WSPR on 137 kHz Hello LF-group, this evening i will transmit, WSPR on 137.650 kHz 136.150 kHz dial. Power abt 50 mW ERP. Transmitter start at 16:00 GMT All reports are welcome. You can also log on, www.sm6bhz.com 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.709 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.93/2544 - Ausgabedatum: 12/04/09 08:32:00 ------=_NextPart_000_01C9_01CA754A.F7A054F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi GUs,
 
see below:
 
2118   8  0.4 136.1514= 99  0=20 SM6BHZ JO57 17
2138   9  0.6 136.151500  0 SM6B= HZ JO57=20 17
2144   8  0.7 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ JO57=20 17
2218   7  0.6 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ JO57=20 17
2222   8  0.7 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ JO57=20 17
2226   9  0.8 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ JO57=20 17
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gus=
Sent: Friday, December 04, 20= 09 4:55=20 PM
Subject: LF: WSPR on 137 kHz<= /DIV>

Hello=20 LF-group,
this=20 evening i will transmit, WSPR on 137.650 kHz 136.150 kHz dial. Power abt 50 mW ERP.=
= Transmitter=20 start at 16:00 GMT
All=20 reports are welcome.
You can also log on,=20
 
73= de Gus=20 SM6BHZ


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------=_NextPart_000_01C9_01CA754A.F7A054F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de03.mx.aol.com (rly-de03.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.139]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE053-4c04b22269d1a1; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 06:02:02 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE031-4c04b22269d1a1; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 06:01:51 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ3Ew-0005iv-2n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:00:50 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ3Ev-0005im-EJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:00:49 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ3Eq-00079p-4p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:00:49 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14D6B51C05A for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:59:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id D76C931E702 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:59:48 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:00:11 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <88EEC52E6C874CCEB966804D073A3376@White> References: <88EEC52E6C874CCEB966804D073A3376@White> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20091211105948.D76C931E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_10766237==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_10766237==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hello Marcus, if all stations switch at local midnight (UTC of course) this would result that in Europe there will be sub-band switching over a 4 hours period (from UA at the east to G/CT at the west), a period that both windows might be filled with "locals". Maybe it is better that all Europeans switch at the same moment (the same for North-America, and SE-Asia) ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 09:38 11/12/2009, you wrote: >Dear LF, > >the passage should have said: > >Taking into account the path of mutual darkness, this would mean >that all stations should transmit in the UPPER band during their >evenings until local midnight, and then QSY to the lower band for >the rest of the night. > >Sorry for the confusion. > >73, Markus > >From: Markus Vester >Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 12:14 AM >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Subject: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes > >Dear LF group, > >recently we find the "transatlantic waterhole" around 137.777 kHz >quite busy. Several Europeans have started beaconing within this >segment. And there has been some fast (QRSS3 or 10) activity, with >wide traces covering up possible transatlantic DX signalling frequencies. > >During the last years, we have attempted to split the frequency >bands for both directions of transatlantic work. Traditional >segments were around 137.777 kHz west-to-east (for Americans >transmitting towards Eu), and around 136.320 kHz east-west (for Eu >to stateside). Slow modes (QRSS or DFCW, 60 second and longer) were >used almost exclusively there, and several stations were able to >successfully cross the pond in either direction. > >The situation has become a little more intricate as more stations >from other parts of the world (eg. Asia, China, Japan) are joining >the game with sensitive receivers and good signals. But I still >think it would be helpful to separate RX and TX bands within each >area as much as possible. > >My suggestion would be to stick with the east-west versus west-east >allocation of the two slots. Taking into account the path of mutual >darkness, this would mean that all stations should transmit in the >lower band during their evenings until local midnight, and then QSY >to the lower band for the rest of the night. Receiver settings would >of course be vice versa. > >I'm aware that this scheme cannot be perfect and universal. It won't >cover North-South hauls, and would not protect signals during early >or late openings. But it's simple enough, and I believe it would >still be very useful. Please don't get me wrong - I do not want to >discourage anyone from putting out a signal, and certainly reject >the notion of anything reminiscent of a "band police". I just think >a little coordination may help all of us to be successful on this >challenging and fascinating band. > >Let me have your thoughts... > >73 de Markus, DF6NM > >http://freenet-homepage.de/df6nm/Grabber.htm > > --=====================_10766237==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hello Marcus,

if all stations switch at local midnight (UTC of course) this would result that in Europe there will be sub-band switching over a 4 hours period (from UA at the east to G/CT at the west), a period that both windows might be filled with "locals".
Maybe it is better that all Europeans switch at the same moment (the same for North-America, and SE-Asia) ?

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 09:38 11/12/2009, you wrote:
Dear LF,
 
the passage should have said:
 
Taking into account the path of mutual darkness, this would mean that all stations should transmit in the UPPER band during their evenings until local midnight, and then QSY to the lower band for the rest of the night.
 
Sorry for the confusion.
 
73, Markus

From: Markus Vester
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 12:14 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes

Dear LF group,
 
recently we find the "transatlantic waterhole" around 137.777 kHz quite busy. Several Europeans have started beaconing within this segment. And there has been some fast (QRSS3 or 10) activity, with wide traces covering up possible transatlantic DX signalling frequencies.
 
During the last years, we have attempted to split the frequency bands for both directions of transatlantic work. Traditional segments were around 137.777 kHz west-to-east (for Americans transmitting towards Eu), and around 136.320 kHz east-west (for Eu to stateside). Slow modes (QRSS or DFCW, 60 second and longer) were used almost exclusively there, and several stations were able to successfully cross the pond in either direction.
 
The situation has become a little more intricate as more stations from other parts of the world (eg. Asia, China, Japan) are joining the game with sensitive receivers and good signals. But I still think it would be helpful to separate RX and TX bands within each area as much as possible.
 
My suggestion would be to stick with the east-west versus west-east allocation of the two slots. Taking into account the path of mutual darkness, this would mean that all stations should transmit in the lower band during their evenings until local midnight, and then QSY to the lower band for the rest of the night. Receiver settings would of course be vice versa.
 
I'm aware that this scheme cannot be perfect and universal. It won't cover North-South hauls, and would not protect signals during early or late openings. But it's simple enough, and I believe it would still be very useful. Please don't get me wrong - I do not want to discourage anyone from putting out a signal, and certainly reject the notion of anything reminiscent of a "band police". I just think a little coordination may help all of us to be successful on this challenging and fascinating band.
 
Let me have your thoughts...
 
73 de Markus, DF6NM
 
http://freenet-homepage.de/df6nm/Grabber.htm
 
 
--=====================_10766237==.ALT-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md02.mx.aol.com (rly-md02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.140]) by air-md03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD033-8ee4b1d26d9304; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:01:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD026-8ee4b1d26d9304; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:01:31 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHfzr-00026X-Lr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:59:35 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHfzr-00026O-4C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:59:35 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f215.google.com ([209.85.220.215]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHfzo-0008Ic-Si for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:59:35 +0000 Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so4442611fxm.29 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 07:59:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=9D5tdpcmb4GJtUfzgHtoewO3yCtT+N6v5/lGeiBUg+0=; b=BRHKyXx9iE3e7VeAe3xKGUTF58msPPisOU7CGYFoFlzuTBIKKXTIGv1onUU5mOtAvE GF+vg2xT6yznpQpDp8HcpIJ3rRvOLdOpOjXwfRWS0qzBizG9Uup8ybbTSzsNBjZNRcVP G+oxIfiNXbGfTBxwktwbClCzYQisQFJeiGAys= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=eR1KJnZb0uVmZBxP6QQZWV0TTkMTEG3T8KvQsLM2wOR1p9h3eNkPCI0p6icWhHdf7A 5Rxmv4JW4AiLxSKOXdz206Aj5g9n4ukDI7rMCgZrWlkg0THW6tikVvfEklQLpXG/cgKX Y9WMHbekWzuPLbIHwSP+QQ4fJdX8ADzmIUu2Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.168.163 with SMTP id k35mr706006hbe.71.1260201567171; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 07:59:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1523739247@web.de> References: <1523739247@web.de> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:59:27 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Correct test time Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m213.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Clear enough..... 2009/12/09 2300z through to 2009/12/10 0100z . Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police 2009/12/7 Horst St=F6cker : > As I wrote before: The flyer says from 9.12. 23 UTC to 10.12. 1 UTC. > Horst > >> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: "Chris" >> Gesendet: 07.12.09 14:28:16 >> An: "RSGB LF Group" >> Betreff: LF: Correct test time > > Hi All, >> Re: Test DDH47 147.3 QRSS3. >> This has now got VERY confusing. Is the transmission one hour UTC >> either side of midnight 9th into 10th, or one hour UTC either side of >> midnight 10th into 11th December? >> Incidentally, my first message along these lines got a failure notice, >> it said "This message scored 4.5 spam points - rejected". No comment >> necessary! >> >> Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent. > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! > http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de06.mx.aol.com (rly-de06.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.142]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE024-4e54b1fc7593ac; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:51:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE068-4e54b1fc7593ac; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:50:51 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIOm7-0002fw-9b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:48:23 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIOm5-0002fn-9v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:48:21 +0000 Received: from web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.123]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIOm3-0000iw-SA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:48:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 26186 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Dec 2009 15:48:14 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1260373694; bh=jy+xantdPGljtan9dm7s4yDHucFfOFhwVt65TBSfR4I=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Z3p3nUoqbw81XYVZGGrnltLWCU5t+MaftvSji87QyRGhqcywwTkcRyIWytS/oAlcRtqUOovgB/gHi9eHgJ4iDcLiy2i2mKcalONTriIrMq/BeLjO/yGNyBkgAQ4pw6msOln61l52TmoabegZeznQGv+Lwk6+GwfwEYk8O0O010M= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=es8ja4qeumJ6eZs8RH5+Kov6tVYhkNFjy5QA99iG5YAe2fPaqX74hUczB7PhyHo6e7cEBSTjkk62xzOUKSlnlowt+KxdotPb0jEUAML7ihv8tOw8Fafk2V9YVDswNJf55HA6f2aFGQg71rnmoUGdYltyrnRhQ+5l57M8AX6xnRs=; Message-ID: <293720.25943.qm@web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: R5nLXA4VM1lHtpIHNfXTrlDMMZuaoT67LHwmqClgBYKTcl8OtQYRQUQakLG_i8.ihzjDEZguPjggUDTHtgIfXi7_i5TcHG8xwNzgd8LP2y2WhkoFZ42eb8Ko9ZflTiM7IYIzZut1EXyqpTx0PGaL8VU9msUD_Zwos1u4pEPpQh3xbVptEhiQeLlWOCoZGi7XUXcQcd7V014FcvHWqSJgLaUjH3RLzbruB_ZUcXWQ03OgSNXq.nGFN8fAl7WJqbFrvOPFjqewHsuv8f.IorPR Received: from [86.152.84.183] by web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 07:48:13 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:48:13 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: TX-2200A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-938138173-1260373693=:25943" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d257.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-938138173-1260373693=:25943 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes Warren =A0 With your trusty soldering iron you could build a cw only 100w o/p tx=A0xt= al or vfo controlled for about a tenner! And that leaves you =A3680=A0 (or= 1122 of your American dollas) for xmas. =A0 Or if you really wanted a synth theres a kit for about $50 us. =A0 PSU extra......... good luck 73 petefmt =A0 --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Warren Ziegler wrote: From: Warren Ziegler Subject: LF: TX-2200A To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 15:30 Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver muting. Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf 73 Warren K2ORS =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XGJ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XSH/23 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XEB/2 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XGR/1 =20 --0-938138173-1260373693=:25943 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes Warren
 
With your trusty soldering iron you could build a cw only 100w o/p tx=  xtal or vfo controlled for about a tenner! And that leaves you =A368= 0  (or 1122 of your American dollas) for xmas.
 
Or if you really wanted a synth theres a kit for about $50 us.
 
PSU extra......... good luck 73 petefmt
 


--- On Wed, 9/12/09, Warren Ziegler <wd2xgj@gmail.co= m> wrote:

From: Warren Ziegler <wd2xgj@gmail.com><= BR>Subject: LF: TX-2200A
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Wedn= esday, 9 December, 2009, 15:30

Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton= - the TX-2200A 100
Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlle= d with receiver
muting.
Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at= 690 GBP!

http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf



73 Warren K2ORS<= BR>                WD2XGJ
 = ;               WD2XSH/23
  &nb= sp;             WE2XEB/2
    &n= bsp;           WE2XGR/1


=20 --0-938138173-1260373693=:25943-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md03.mx.aol.com (rly-md03.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.141]) by air-md10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD104-8f14b33479e15c; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 05:51:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD031-8f14b33479e15c; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 05:51:12 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNlGz-0007xg-81 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:50:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNlGy-0007xX-SZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:50:24 +0000 Received: from psmtp09.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.23]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNlGv-0002tv-Uu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:50:24 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp09.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KV5001BDKRPLO@psmtp09.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:50:14 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:49:53 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <4C88B57B7396460391EA789B5C0CEAAC@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: XGJ 24-12.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_p0nhBLdQZFrE0WYb77ka6w)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --Boundary_(ID_p0nhBLdQZFrE0WYb77ka6w) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_IaeQtOltQd/c62WgulPn8A)" --Boundary_(ID_IaeQtOltQd/c62WgulPn8A) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Warren,LF Nice capture XGJ Henny cpm best 73 Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: XGJ 24-12.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. --Boundary_(ID_IaeQtOltQd/c62WgulPn8A) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Hi Warren,LF
Nice capture XGJ
Henny cpm
best 73
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
XGJ 24-12.jpg

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MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.72,0.74 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: JUMA 136Kc Xmitter Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01CA78F5.C5325050" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01CA78F5.C5325050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Much cheaper JUMA 136kc TX as Tx-2200A http://www.nikkemedia.fi/juma/ I built this tx already - it works fine, but dont have antenna so far= ... 73 Uwe, dk1kq ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01CA78F5.C5325050 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Much cheaper JUMA 136kc TX as Tx-2200A
 
 
 
I built this tx already - it works fine, but dont= have antenna=20 so far ...
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0015_01CA78F5.C5325050-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc10.mx.aol.com (rly-mc10.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.94]) by air-mc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC082-d9b4b14dce7300; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:08:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC103-d9b4b14dce7300; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:07:52 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFOgh-0001BX-Om for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:06:23 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFOgh-0001BO-6S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:06:23 +0000 Received: from psmtp12.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.24]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFOge-0000Fl-S8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:06:23 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp12.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KTY003VLUMBRB@psmtp12.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:06:12 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:06:10 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <90CE1502BB594DAC84BB6FE4B64477D6@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: XKO 01-12.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_pbC0aPaN7Dl04y7alN/+Ww)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --Boundary_(ID_pbC0aPaN7Dl04y7alN/+Ww) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_FZVls54DETR10uNGnugqUA)" --Boundary_(ID_FZVls54DETR10uNGnugqUA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello Dex,LF Capture XKO, Henny pa3cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: XKO 01-12.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. --Boundary_(ID_FZVls54DETR10uNGnugqUA) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Hello Dex,LF
Capture XKO,
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(v4.0.7) Professional Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1792040875.20091215220545@dx.ru> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: LF: A9 on 136 and 500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF/MF enthusiasts! Info from "The Weekly DX" Vol 9 Number 49 Dec 14, 2009 A9 - BAHRAIN On December 10th Bahrain's Telecommunications Regulatory Authority (TRA) announced a new National Frequency Plan (NFP) on their web-site (www.tra.o= rg.bh). A9 Amateur Radio operators can now operate on 50.0 - 50.5 MHz on a "primar= y and exclusive" basis and from 50.05 - 52 MHz on a secondary basis. They also= received additional frequencies on "136 KHz, 1.8 MHz, 7 MHz, 430 MHz and higher ban= ds" reports EI3IO. Amateur Radio operators from Bahrain can not operate on the= se newly allocated frequencies until their licenses are amended. The TRA is also lo= oking for comments on the 69.95 to 70.5 MHz band as well as 500 KHz and 5 MHz. www.dailydx.com 73! Ed RU6LA 136.73.ru From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf08.mx.aol.com (rly-mf08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.178]) by air-mf02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF021-9754b31da7419e; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 03:53:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF083-9754b31da7419e; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 03:53:10 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNMx1-00032g-Hx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 08:52:11 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNMx1-00032X-3O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 08:52:11 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNMwz-0000wo-7E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 08:52:11 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C54FE4C818A for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:52:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB574C80C6 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:52:03 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B31DA34.1050805@online.fr> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:52:04 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <035375487725449FBCB051DF5928E886@ns94d01ae4d850> In-Reply-To: <035375487725449FBCB051DF5928E886@ns94d01ae4d850> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: LF T/A [137kHz] XGJ last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Warren , Please , what time brought your beacon into service ? It seems to me that it was not visible at the beginning ! With the renewal of activity of the sun , it should be noted that propagation LF is much less good ? 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.145]) by air-di08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI081-eb664b37515b119; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 07:21:47 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AFC10380000A7; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 07:21:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOs7D-0002IN-LT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:20:55 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOs7D-0002IE-6D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:20:55 +0000 Received: from n18.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.145]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOs7C-0006Sj-Pw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:20:55 +0000 Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n18.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2009 12:20:47 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.71] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2009 12:20:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp423.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2009 12:20:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 537817.90474.bm@omp423.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 87656 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2009 12:20:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=dZ1pxZuMXCV5SdEbp9geEfM32uMf+HO5jbNGFWKih5jDGn2hr76uVSFbJmY3/lJQkxiMAgV1PuUBR2mlRDOsmHQXGjGbkTDrGFwkZ873WeUtNeejHOAA2Xd0OJi+qclRfBkbjf+IiTRZyhzBFN4fbNez8SQEJ6UOvANBWLacBjU= ; Received: from host81-135-89-156.range81-135.btcentralplus.com (ken.h.wright@81.135.89.156 with login) by smtp135.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2009 04:20:47 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9Y6mUHuswBAgnrOsukIiNdFDf95uy_Dz34nY1hlg2liKgYD952sjbg-- X-YMail-OSG: em69aZ0VM1mabUgKHheyDA71ZHAXlOZ.pnSoUcxM_3A65cKKs29dS9EXPqmjY5gWM75CLA6NdejwasbWxd.VpAU9c5TrR_NMOpy_PZjO5TO_.jfdriwaMlVL_Zi5bN8km1xzgIaZsOYklRx2LlioVew7QLUMdR1elgNl.MCez8ng9YCAm_s_MJMocJHcy9Z29PuNEtVe7XvztbZTnCZHmHW.SVf21WIVc9Vs_XxC6AbZbVrO7ImP5Ax_6VLRieNihuDHccK6jMlnraozERuMCQmnPiFHbnis1hKmPPbJ1DJpYUdml8TsLvefPCZ5_vdNkycEJmYr9QEAY2rsBkUhYowNGkpGX7KoBoeSTexZ3Desjmi2N6MTFsOZTwcY457EgnQ23nv_JR_OyDqIFeqEOPJVxEylVrn_QqsgVlz9ToRvZLQo7hrG0A0bYPyT2AWERSA2pcAjUfI- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "Ken" To: References: <58773.51665.qm@web86507.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:20:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40914b37515a24da X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Alan. A very interesting paper of yours, is it likely that there will be the= same=20 interaction between a T antenna and the PA0RDT Mini Whip? 73. Ken M0KHW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "ALAN MELIA" To: Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 11:51 AM Subject: Re: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Hi Stefan I hope it does not give you indigestion :-)) Good luck with it.....all LF sites are different so in general require= =20 different detailed solutions. It seemed generally to be sufficient to= =20 de-tune the unused antenna to reduce the interaction to low levels. Best Wishes for Dx in the New Year Alan G3NYK --- On Sun, 27/12/09, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer wrote: > From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer > Subject: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sunday, 27 December, 2009, 10:55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > Alan, tnx, i have > printed your article and will read it now at breakfast > ;-) > > > > Perhaps > I will come back > with some questions=E2=80=A6 J > > > > 73, > Stefan/DK7FC > > -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche > Nachricht----- > > Von: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von ALAN > MELIA > > Gesendet: > Sonntag, 27. Dezember > 2009 01:32 > > An: > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Betreff: Re: > LF: Influence of a TX > antenna to a small rx antenna > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephan yes the aerialls will > be very close > compared with the wavelength so they will interact > particularly is tuned. We > did some measurements ar Finbar's location several > years ago > > http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/aecouple.htm > > > > The interaction was measured on an antenna RF > bridge, and demonstrates > the coupling between two wires. > > > > Best Wishes > > Alan G3NYK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (rly-dg11.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.95]) by air-dg04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG042-6044b258087379; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:02:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG115-6044b258087379; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:02:17 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJyMY-00038b-4O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:00:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJyMX-00038S-PC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:00:29 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJyNC-0007gP-AL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:01:11 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 827652AC45C for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:01:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps04.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.133] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.58V) with ESMTP id XID827NLNaBL7628X01; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:01:11 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.133 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps04.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID827NLNaBL7628X01 Received: from [192.168.1.4] [151.47.223.119] by cmsapps04.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 368NLNaBi9472M40; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:01:08 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.223.119 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.4] Message-ID: <4B258042.8010305@usa.net> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 01:01:06 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <47E8873B5C254CA9A406AA345E229ED6@Black> In-Reply-To: <47E8873B5C254CA9A406AA345E229ED6@Black> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID368NLNaBJ9472X40 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR 2.0 samplerate Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Markus Vester wrote: > Dear LF, > > I have recently installed WSPR 2.0 on one older XP machine and found > that decodes were erratic, and the frequency readout was about 10 Hz > high. The reason seems to be that the input samplerate is about 0.6 % > low. The output samplerate is however correct. > > The strange thing is that this samplerate error was not present with the > former version 1.12. I now have the two versions running simultaneously > side by side, on the same machine with the same soundcard. WSPR 1.12 is > producing perfect decodes on the correct frequency, whereas 2.0 > reproducibly shows the described effects. It looks like the new version > somehow accesses the soundcard differently. > > Has anybody else experienced this? Out of my fuzzy memory, I seem to recall that Joe changed the sampling frequency of WSPR to 48 kHz (don't know what it was before), I think to better interface with VAC. But don't take my words for granted... it is just a dim flash in my memory... If this is indeed the case, then your sound card has a sampling frequency error when set to 48 kHz, error which wasn't present at the former rate. But better to ask Joe... 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db07.mx.aol.com (rly-db07.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.82]) by air-db09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB091-ad44b198473db; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:52:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB072-ad44b198473db; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:51:48 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGg32-0002io-CW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:50:44 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGg31-0002if-K8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:50:43 +0000 Received: from mailout05.t-online.de ([194.25.134.82]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGg2y-0000nk-Re for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:50:43 +0000 Received: from fwd11.aul.t-online.de by mailout05.t-online.de with smtp id 1NGg2w-00052A-00; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:50:38 +0100 Received: from e7010 (rPOvVZZYYh96GlsQjTMgmKkNw1x21-3E9JOdBZP5Zd3hWzgzxBWdYS-yhzcFZX0w18@[84.147.254.117]) by fwd11.aul.t-online.de with smtp id 1NGg2t-0GwyvI0; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:50:35 +0100 Message-ID: <006a01ca752b$cebd81d0$6402a8c0@e7010> From: "Walter und Marianne Staubach" To: References: <001e01ca74ec$b9770790$6402a8c0@e7010> <4B193C13.7060400@usa.net> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:50:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-ID: rPOvVZZYYh96GlsQjTMgmKkNw1x21-3E9JOdBZP5Zd3hWzgzxBWdYS-yhzcFZX0w18 X-TOI-MSGID: 915d5a3b-73b5-4724-a17b-2b5f16bd308c X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,EXTRA_MPART_TYPE=0.815,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=0.64,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Activity on 500 kHz Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0066_01CA7534.304AFB50"; type="multipart/alternative" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01CA7534.304AFB50 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0067_01CA7534.304AFB50" ------=_NextPart_001_0067_01CA7534.304AFB50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mni tnx, dr Alberto, fer reports hr on the reflektor and in the databa= se. I`m just trying to retune to 505.090. =20 73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alberto di Bene=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 5:42 PM Subject: LF: Activity on 500 kHz Some activity recorded on the 500 kHz band this afternoon. DI2AG : DI2AM in QRSS3 OK0EMW in QRSS3 at 505091 Hz (abt) in JN88ks (some QSB...) 73 Alberto I2PHD ------=_NextPart_001_0067_01CA7534.304AFB50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mni tnx, dr Alberto,= fer reports hr=20 on the reflektor and in the database. I`m just trying to retune t= o 505.090.=20
73   = =20 Walter   DI2AG / DJ2LF
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Alberto di= Bene=20
Sent: Friday, December 04, 20= 09 5:42=20 PM
Subject: LF: Activity on 500= kHz

Some activity recorded on the 500 kHz band this=20 afternoon.

DI2AG :

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DI2AM=20 in QRSS3

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OK0EMW in=20 QRSS3   at 505091 Hz (abt) in JN88ks
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(some=20 QSB...)

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73  Alberto =20 I2PHD


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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Gus, I hope to repair the K9AY today or until tomorrow. As you may have noticed,my email program and me had also slight difficulties tonight. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Gus To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 2:37 AM Subject: LF: Re: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz Hi Clemens, thanks for your info and print my WSPR formerly of 137 kHz. Not bad considering the low power used! Luke just wants attention :-) I have now closed the transmitter for the night. Best 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ----- Original Message ----- From: Clemens Paul To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 2:17 AM Subject: LF: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz Hi GUs, see below: 2118 8 0.4 136.151499 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2138 9 0.6 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2144 8 0.7 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2218 7 0.6 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2222 8 0.7 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2226 9 0.8 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 As my internert connection has been broken during the last hours no data upload has taken place. Probably a few loggings are missing because I had to use my dipole for receiving whis is periodically disturbed when our heater is is on. My K9AY has been turned down this late afternoon by our three months old labrador 'Luke'. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Gus To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:55 PM Subject: LF: WSPR on 137 kHz Hello LF-group, this evening i will transmit, WSPR on 137.650 kHz 136.150 kHz dial. Power abt 50 mW ERP. Transmitter start at 16:00 GMT All reports are welcome. You can also log on, www.sm6bhz.com 73 de Gus SM6BHZ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.709 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.93/2544 - Ausgabedatum: 12/04/09 08:32:00 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. 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Hi Gus,
 
I hope to repair the K9AY today or un= til=20 tomorrow.
As you may have noticed,my email prog= ram and=20 me
had also slight difficulties tonight.= =20 :-)
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gus=
Sent: Saturday, December 05,= 2009 2:37=20 AM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: WSPR on= 137=20 kHz

Hi=20 Clemens,

thanks=20 for your info and print my WSPR formerly of 137 kHz.
Not bad=20 considering the low power used!
Luke just wants attention=20 :-)
I have now=20 closed the transmitter for the night.

Best 73 de Gus SM6BHZ
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Clemens Pau= l
Sent: Saturday, December 05= , 2009 2:17=20 AM
Subject: LF: Re: WSPR on 13= 7 kHz

Hi GUs,
 
see below:
 
2118   8  0.4 136.= 151499  0=20 SM6BHZ JO57 17
2138   9  0.6 136.151500  0= SM6BHZ=20 JO57 17
2144   8  0.7 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ= JO57=20 17
2218   7  0.6 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ JO57= =20 17
2222   8  0.7 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ JO57= =20 17
2226   9  0.8 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ JO57= =20 17
 
As my internert connection has be= en=20 broken during the last hours no data upload
has taken place.
Probably a few loggings are missi= ng because=20 I had to use my dipole for
receiving whis is periodically=20 disturbed when our heater is is on.
My K9AY has been turned down this= late=20 afternoon by our three months old
labrador 'Luke'.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
 
 
 
 
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gus
Sent: Friday, December 04= , 2009 4:55=20 PM
Subject: LF: WSPR on 137= kHz

Hello LF-group,
this=20 evening i will transmit, WSPR on 137.650 kHz 136.150 kHz dial.= =20 Power abt 50 mW=20 ERP.
Transmitter start at 16:00=20 GMT
Al= l reports are=20 welcome.
You can also log on,=20
 
= 73 de Gus=20 SM6BHZ


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------=_NextPart_000_003B_01CA7583.A0406220-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (rly-dg10.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.94]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG063-5f94b25409b32d; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:29:44 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG104-5f94b25409b32d; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:29:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJu6l-0007vC-LK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:27:55 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJu6l-0007v3-9b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:27:55 +0000 Received: from mx33.mail.ru ([94.100.176.47]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJu7Q-0004tt-AZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:28:38 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=24522 helo=EFREMOV) by mx33.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NJu7K-000Hyt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:28:30 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <00dc01ca7c2a$6c6e5080$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: References: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> <241919.87622.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9afca2640912130305r3acb5e5fs991caaa1115d2255@mail.gmail.com> <6E7638745A1B43168C402CDBB010C2A7@AGB> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:28:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: "Y" beacon on 137.777 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Marco, This is RA3YO 73 Andrey > Please, who is sending "Y" on 137.7778 DFCW? Well visible on DF6NM grabbler. > > 73 - Marco IK1ODO > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.224]) by air-da04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA043-863c4b3cb4e51cd; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 09:27:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8C09B38000143; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 09:27:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQLyx-0004Gy-ET for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:26:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQLyx-0004Gp-0B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:26:31 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQLyu-0007Ae-5k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:26:30 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so8176334pwj.4 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 06:26:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=LLWxRtPPqZhRreo4Tc477uldH0pRrsGhRcJTLtyvSyE=; b=aoQPCjz5vdpJQawWO8uChOMCiWTgX03V3kPUOuDL0+Omfu+afk4DHnhvpLjxriXdmo Hqpx0TvjCvR57bOppNkhCo8KgO6imM9V7FY7l7r0IPGkARz31Sn37oVlvD4DmAwLCDaR gpjHqE6pF87IbjLIukC1ZBrtQtSuQqKPIX9Dc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=enmDC9BY95FNquOA/QVh5aQlt7gLRsoWgNpvNMTIMVIuOddCr0tQXqqkAPZwpvIc6n Cpj5AEdP2MIydpvizEFh9T2ynE9j0w3Hv0IH12ZrjRCFyJKsHDIoHZdXLqBzjYLneii1 5bkdCkEnFjgk5OjFgxjjYhHVX4mrADlm8SeEc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.187.13 with SMTP id o13mr1325789rvp.28.1262269579785; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 06:26:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20091231142137.ileq10eosgk0g4c4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> References: <1f0624b90912310349r8408cbaof4bb6e0e17d6fb9a@mail.gmail.com> <20091231142137.ileq10eosgk0g4c4@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:26:19 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 967938cf172e06f5 Message-ID: <1f0624b90912310626t3c78a6bds8653c5acdea6378f@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Grabber. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1ac54e9f615047c070924 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60e04b3cb4e40337 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1ac54e9f615047c070924 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Rik, Thanks for your suggestion. I am not familiar with Corel Photo paint & it does need to be automatic as I can't spend time editing each upload ie. two at 10 minutes & 1 at 1 hr. I am trying reducing the JPG at capture time by lowering the JPEG quality percentage on SpecLab. I have taken care of the G4JNT beacon upload by using *.png & the file is only a few kb's rather than 10's of kb's using *.bmp & uploading at 1 hr intervals instead of 15 minutes. 73 Gary - G4WGT. 2009/12/31 Rik Strobbe > Gary, > > maybe more compression in the jpeg. > Using Corel Photo Paint I could reduce the file size to 50% with little > visual impact. > > 73, Rik ON7YD > > Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > > Hi All, >> >> Sorry to have to announce that my grabber is inoperative at the moment. >> >> It seems that I have regularly exceeded the daily quota set by the >> ISP/web site provider. I have been transparently placed in "restricted >> service" which is only allowing about 5 uploads/downloads each day. I >> expect that it will take some time for my average to come down sufficient >> to allow my regular uploads again. >> >> Also I will have to make the upload file sizes smaller & less regular so >> as to keep within this upload limit. >> >> I will post a notice here when all is running normally again. >> >> 73 es HNY >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> >> >> > > > --000e0cd1ac54e9f615047c070924 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rik,

Thanks for your suggestion. I am not familiar with= Corel Photo paint & it does need to be automatic as I can't spend= time editing each upload ie. two at 10 minutes & 1 at 1 hr. I am tryi= ng reducing the JPG at capture time by lowering the JPEG quality percentag= e on SpecLab. I have taken care of the G4JNT beacon upload by using *.png= & the file is only a few kb's rather than 10's of kb's us= ing *.bmp & uploading at 1 hr intervals instead of 15 minutes.

73

Gary - G4WGT.

2009/12/31 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be&g= t;
Gary,

maybe more compression in the jpeg.
Using Corel Photo Paint I could reduce the file size to 50% with little vi= sual impact.

73, Rik =A0ON7YD

Quoting Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>:

Hi All,

Sorry to have to announce that my grabber is inoperative at the moment.
It seems that I have regularly exceeded the daily quota set by the =A0ISP/= web site provider. I have been transparently placed in =A0"restricted= service" which is only allowing about 5 =A0uploads/downloads each da= y. I expect that it will take some time for =A0my average to come down suf= ficient to allow my regular uploads again.

Also I will have to make the upload file sizes smaller & less =A0regul= ar so as to keep within this upload limit.

I will post a notice here when all is running normally again.

73 es HNY

Gary - G4WGT.







--000e0cd1ac54e9f615047c070924-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb04.mx.aol.com (rly-mb04.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.162]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB071-d044b250dbff4; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:52:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB048-d044b250dbff4; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:52:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJqiz-0004cg-Fw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:51:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJqiz-0004cX-3d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:51:09 +0000 Received: from mail-ew0-f223.google.com ([209.85.219.223]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJqjS-0004Ym-7f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:51:40 +0000 Received: by ewy23 with SMTP id 23so963576ewy.4 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 07:51:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=zKPQdhyA1qEGb7wTz7okEz8MwHgqmMDmegFWuiy1/M0=; b=B975L9hevQjy/7LVwtBCd1tLK0V/F3X/X5b3CRsv7qfI7Clgcj3DOwmJS0bfcPWlKm kkJS+EZZLJJvRxKfyrEoJA0Rdw2ix20FfqUWjSgbKZLN+3hkVZP7lh/tooB5gqjFP+/h /oYtiO2CB65yIBT2oQJ4GIdLIHUoDMKuM9lUk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Gy4ooLvmKMh/AvjiGGwsBZy7o4lEnc06WVsCxV++TuSMEietjOOAAjXMzSJ8ubChUV WDzDbuArz8tbu5pHUoofyKYIelxWQWzUAX3zcRf4Iu6pQEVTvUayK7ptEeewA0ZzBo6W bd+ZsuoVdCvl5XFSCkZIQYj2xPPUwzBPrMQIs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.109.201 with SMTP id k9mr2205830ebp.87.1260719496769; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 07:51:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> <241919.87622.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9afca2640912130305r3acb5e5fs991caaa1115d2255@mail.gmail.com> <6E7638745A1B43168C402CDBB010C2A7@AGB> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:51:36 +0100 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anton_B=E4rtschi?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: IK1HSS WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0ce0d848c44915047a9e21c4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d266.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0ce0d848c44915047a9e21c4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I see you dear Marco but I've no WSPR on my Computer. 73 de Toni BTW DCF39 down? 2009/12/13 Marco IK1ODO > IK1HSS is active in WSPR on 137.740 (signal frequency, carrier is at > 136.420). > ERP power is 50 mW from JN35TB. > > Reports are appreciated to ik1hss@arrl.net ! > > 73 - Marco IK1ODO > > > --000e0ce0d848c44915047a9e21c4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I see you dear Marco
but I've no WSPR on my Computer.
73 de Toni=
BTW DCF39 down?

2009/12/13 Marco IK1= ODO <ik1odo@spi= n-it.com>
IK1HSS is activ= e in WSPR on 137.740 (signal frequency, carrier is at 136.420).
ERP power is 50 mW from JN35TB.

Reports are appreciated to ik1hss@arrl.net !

73 - Marco IK1ODO



--000e0ce0d848c44915047a9e21c4-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD051-91a4b22ee4e357; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:14:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD082-91a4b22ee4e357; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:13:52 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJGXc-0004Hk-Db for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:13:00 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJGXb-0004Hb-9a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:12:59 +0000 Received: from mx01.infotech.at ([213.174.240.1]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJGXY-0004RW-85 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:12:59 +0000 Received: from [213.174.255.45] by mx01.infotech.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJGXW-00074G-Qs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 02:12:55 +0100 Message-ID: <4B22EDFF.7030307@inext.at> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 02:12:32 +0100 From: Oberreiter Oswald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001901ca7ab9$f82c4630$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <4B22D7EF.7070908@inext.at> <004101ca7abe$5cd861a0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> In-Reply-To: <004101ca7abe$5cd861a0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: ID of station on 137775.25? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030707040007080209090200" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_COMMENT_8BITS, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_BALANCE_BODY,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------030707040007080209090200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hallo jay! thanks again ,fore me its also a new country . on this side is my tx : http://members.shaw.ca/ve7sl/2200mtx.html very simpl only another mosfet IRFP 260NPBF you can run 30v and 10 amp aprox on qrss70 i do here . driver vfo is old ic706 with open tx running 3 w on 2200 /16 =137.5.khz so its very easy to run qrss60 . pwr from the antenna i think aprox 1w erp. so the antenna is also very simpl marconi inv L on the end 17 meters high with 7 ,10 m long wires down from the top. like a invertet umbrellor. and a lot of radials . it is a good day fore dx andrey sow some parts of my signal in china ! two new countrys fore me its a very good day it seems fore me a realy marconiday ! so now i transmiting after 0000Z on the eu tx window . thanks again fore receiving my transmission 73 es 55 dx oe5odl jn68rd ossi ps. send qsl dir. jrusgrove@comcast.net schrieb: > Ossi > > Austria is a new country in my 137 kHz reception logbook! Curious > about the details of your transmitting station - transmitter power, > antenna, etc. > > Thank you for the 137 kHz transmissions. > > Jay > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Oberreiter Oswald > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2009 6:38 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: ID of station on 137775.25? > > hallo jay thanks fere report was transmiting only my nr 5 5 5 5 5 ... > 73 oe5odl ossi > > jrusgrove@comcast.net schrieb: >> Very strong copy of '5' earlier. Curious who this might be. >> >> Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> --------------030707040007080209090200 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------070602090205060208060002" --------------070602090205060208060002 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  hallo jay!
thanks again ,fore me its also a new country .
on this side is my tx : http://members.shaw.ca/ve7sl/2200mtx.html         
 very simpl  only another  mosfet IRFP 260NPBF
you can run 30v and 10 amp aprox on qrss70  i do here .
driver vfo is old   ic706  with open tx running 3 w on 2200 /16 =137.5.khz
so its very easy to run qrss60 .
pwr from the antenna i think aprox 1w erp.
so the antenna is also very simpl marconi inv L on the end 17 meters high with 7 ,10 m long wires down from the top.
like a invertet umbrellor.
and a lot of radials .
it is a good day fore dx  andrey sow some parts of my signal in china !
two  new countrys fore me its a  very good day it seems fore me a realy  marconiday !
so now i transmiting after 0000Z  on the eu tx window .
thanks again fore receiving my transmission 73 es 55 dx
oe5odl  jn68rd ossi


ps. send qsl dir.





jrusgrove@comcast.net schrieb:
Ossi
 
Austria is a new country in my 137 kHz reception logbook! Curious about the details of your transmitting station - transmitter power, antenna, etc.
 
Thank you for the 137 kHz transmissions.
 
Jay
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: LF: ID of station on 137775.25?

hallo jay thanks fere report  was transmiting only my nr 5 5 5 5 5 ...
73 oe5odl ossi

jrusgrove@comcast.net schrieb:
Very strong copy of '5' earlier. Curious who this might be.

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2


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12:29:56 +0100 From: "Johan H. Bodin" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: LF: [Fwd: Extra transmission with SAQ Dec 10 2009] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060805030207030305040502" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------060805030207030305040502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable -------- Ursprungligt meddelande -------- =C4mne: Extra transmission with SAQ Dec 10 2009 Datum: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 10:07:58 +0100 Fr=E5n: Lars Kalland Till: AA/Lars K=E5lland =20 * * * * =20 _*EXTRA*_ _* GRIMETON RADIO/SAQ TRANSMISSION*_ =20 =20 There will be a transmission with the Alexanderson alternator on 17,2 kHz on December 10 2009 at 08:00 UTC and will be repeated at 16:00 UTC the same day. =20 The reason for the extra transmission is a centenary commemoration of the Nobel Prize given to Guglielmo Marconi and Karl Ferdinand Brown. =20 We do not require any QSL-reports this time and will not verify. =20 Regards. =20 =20 SM6NM/Lars =20 =20 =20 P.S.We still intend to continue with our annual transmissions on Christmas Eve (morning), Dec 24, at 08:00 UTC with tuning up from 07:30 UTC. 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-------- Ursprungligt meddelande --------
=C4mne: Extra transmission with SAQ Dec 10 2009
Datum: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 10:07:58 +0100
Fr=E5n: Lars Kalland <lars.kalland@telia.com>
Till: AA/Lars K=E5lland <sm6nm@telia.com>


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EXTRA

= =A0GRIMETON RADIO/SAQ TRANSMISSION

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There will be a transmission with the Alexander= son alternator on 17,2 kHz on December 10 2009 at 08:00 UTC= and will be repeated at 16:00 UTC the same day.

=A0

The reason for the extra transmission is a cent= enary commemoration of the Nobel Prize given to Guglielmo Marconi and Karl Ferdinand Brown.

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We do not require any QSL-reports this time and= will not verify.

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Regards.

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SM6NM/Lars

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P.S.We still intend to continue with our annual transmissions on Christmas Eve (morning), Dec 24, at 08:00= UTC with= tuning up from 07:30 UTC. D.S.

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--------------060805030207030305040502-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (rly-mg01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.107]) by air-mg03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG031-9f44b20898a5f; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:39:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG016-9f44b20898a5f; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:39:24 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIbjN-0008Fu-Ps for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:38:25 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIbjN-0008Fl-4P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:38:25 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s31.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.42]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIbjJ-0005wL-R8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:38:25 +0000 Received: from BLU146-W29 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s31.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 9 Dec 2009 21:38:16 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [60.24.183.8] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 20:38:16 -0900 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3CEB236955E14D8BA77BF5D85FAFE210@MaynePC> References: <4B206EEF.8060700@telus.net> <4B207CCB.2060405@telus.net>,<3CEB236955E14D8BA77BF5D85FAFE210@MaynePC> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2009 05:38:16.0256 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8DA6400:01CA795A] X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=0.627,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_0f42b6e6-6408-4fd3-a36d-3affbadceeca_" Subject: RE: LF: Unid signal on ~137778.8Hz X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_0f42b6e6-6408-4fd3-a36d-3affbadceeca_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just looked at DCF39 fron AK and can just make it out at QRSS3 at the mome= nt. Hope these good conditions spread a bit more North=20 =20 Scott Ive put the AK snapper on the 137 watering hole for a while =20 http://kl1x.com/screen.html =20 I like your animation. =20 Laurence =20 =20 > From: VE7SL@shaw.ca > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 21:00:26 -0800 > Subject: Re: LF: Unid signal on ~137778.8Hz >=20 > >it may have been audible a couple of hours before sunset today for the= =20 > >first time! >=20 > Possibly...at 2:30 this afternoon I heard a G3 (not Mal) and an RA4 call= ing=20 > CQ on 160....amazing condx. >=20 >=20 >=20 > WEB - "The VE7SL Radio Notebook": http://members.shaw.ca/ve7sl=20 >=20 >=20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with Messenger straight from your Hotmail inbox. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/hotmail_bl1/hotmail_bl1.aspx?= ocid=3DPID23879::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-ww:WM_IMHM_4:092009=3D --_0f42b6e6-6408-4fd3-a36d-3affbadceeca_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just looked at DCF39 fron AK and can just make it out at QRSS3 at the mome= nt. Hope these good conditions spread a bit more North
 
Scott Ive put the AK snapper on the 137 watering hole for a while
 
http://kl1x.com/screen.html  
I like your animation.
 
Laurence
 

 
> From: VE7SL@shaw.ca
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org
> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 21:00:26 -0800
> Subject: Re: LF= : Unid signal on ~137778.8Hz
>
> >it may have been audible= a couple of hours before sunset today for the
> >first time!>
> Possibly...at 2:30 this afternoon I heard a G3 (not Mal) an= d an RA4 calling
> CQ on 160....amazing condx.
>
> >
> WEB - "The VE7SL Radio Notebook": http://members.shaw.ca/ve= 7sl
>
>

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Check it out =3D --_0f42b6e6-6408-4fd3-a36d-3affbadceeca_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db08.mx.aol.com (rly-db08.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.83]) by air-db06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB064-adc4b25454d345; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:49:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB082-adc4b25454d345; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:49:35 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJuQB-0008Lo-7q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:47:59 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJuQA-0008Lf-Q3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:47:58 +0000 Received: from smtp-out01.alice.it ([85.33.2.12]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJuQq-00053F-Au for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:48:42 +0000 Received: from FBCMMO01.fbc.local ([192.168.68.195]) by smtp-out01.alice.it with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:48:23 +0100 Received: from FBCMCL01B07.fbc.local ([192.168.171.45]) by FBCMMO01.fbc.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:48:23 +0100 Received: from IK1ODO.spin-it.com ([87.24.41.185]) by FBCMCL01B07.fbc.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:48:22 +0100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:48:06 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Marco IK1ODO In-Reply-To: <00dc01ca7c2a$6c6e5080$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> References: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> <241919.87622.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9afca2640912130305r3acb5e5fs991caaa1115d2255@mail.gmail.com> <6E7638745A1B43168C402CDBB010C2A7@AGB> <00dc01ca7c2a$6c6e5080$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2009 19:48:23.0270 (UTC) FILETIME=[3AA45060:01CA7C2D] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: "Y" beacon on 137.777 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 At 20.28 13/12/2009, you wrote: >Hello Marco, >This is RA3YO > >73 Andrey Hello Andrey, thanks for info. And, please, who is sending long groups of 5 lines, 75 second each, on 137.775? 73 - Marco IK1ODO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df08.mx.aol.com (rly-df08.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.21]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF043-56c4b228f5a161; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:28:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF083-56c4b228f5a161; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:28:43 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJADP-0000yZ-I6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:27:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJADP-0000yQ-6U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:27:43 +0000 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJADO-0002XX-LM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:27:43 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqYEAAkeIktOlpWR/2dsb2JhbACOEQbIBoQrBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,383,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="308708106" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.150.149.145]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2009 18:27:21 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01ca7a8f$90cc71b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:27:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: LA3EQ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7A8F.90578FD0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7A8F.90578FD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Still going strong on 502 kcs The grabbers don't seem to see this signal, which has been 559 all day= long with me G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7A8F.90578FD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Still going strong on 502 kcs<= /DIV>
The grabbers don't seem to see this= signal, which=20 has been 559 all day long with me
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7A8F.90578FD0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (rly-dd09.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.156]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD021-b9e4b1cc9f429; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 04:25:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD098-b9e4b1cc9f429; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 04:25:10 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHZpG-0000dB-Cr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:24:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHZpF-0000d2-TU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:24:13 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHZpF-0002zx-72 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:24:13 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nB79OCFC027748 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 10:24:12 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 10:24:12 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 10:24:13 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB57@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <1260128134.2455.23.camel@gerhard-desktop> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Question to Antenna Experts Thread-Index: Acp2rAuoamzvRayKSrSal3Ap/cD0MwAceUdQ From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.609;06.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.7.91531 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: LF: AW: Question to Antenna Experts X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hallo Gerhard, ich nochmal... Wegen der Anpassung auf 30 Ohm: Es gibt mehrere M=F6glichkeiten, ich nenne mal 3: -Eine Anpassung mit einem dicken Ferritkern (z.B. Schaltung als Spartrafo) -Anpassung durch eine Anzapfung an der Ladespule: Wenn die Spule unten an= Erde angeschlossen ist und oben der Draht und die Antenne resonant ist (Z= =3DR), dann findest du bei einer bestimmten Windung einen Punkt, bei dem= U/I 50 Ohm betr=E4gt. Das ermittelt man am besten experimentell. -Du kannst eine zweite Spule mit weniger Windungen bauen und an diese dein= en TX anschlie=DFen. Dann stellst du die Spule in die Ladespule und koppel= st die Leistung induktiv ein. Vorteil: Galvanische Trennung, also keine Ve= rbindung zwischen Sender und LF-Erde. Ich habe schon alle drei Varianten ausprobiert und es funktioniert einwand= frei. Die einfachste M=F6glichkeit ist nat=FCrlich, wenn du einen Kreiswiderstan= d von 50 Ohm hast, den Sender direkt unten an die Spule und die Abschirmun= g des Koaxkabels auf die LF-Erde legen. Dann musst du aber wegen statische= n Aufladungen aufpassen, da die LF-Antenne nicht geerdet ist (kann man mit= einem 10k Widerstand gegen Erde vermeiden)... Gru=DF,=20 Stefan -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von Gerhard Hickl Gesendet: Sonntag, 6. Dezember 2009 20:36 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: Question to Antenna Experts Hello folks! As some of you may have noticed, I became active on LF. My TX makes about 50W at 13,8V and the Antenna is a Marconi with multiple topload wires. Basically it consists of two 12m Fiber poles in a distance of abt. 50m (North to South). After about 20m from the feeding point, a 20m wire is connected in a nearly right angle. The end of this wire is in about 10m height to a tree. From the 2nd pole, a wire of 25m leads back to the roof of the house in an acute angle. End is also abt. 10m above ground. The end of both wires are at least 10m away from the tree and the roof to avoid losses due high voltage. The wire diameter is 3mm in the vertical section (11m) and 0,8mm for the first 20m, where the right angled wire diverges. From there all other wires are 0,6mm. The cable to the shack is RG58 abt. 25m long. The feeding point is behind the house and the loading coil is about 2,2mH made with insulated 3mm copper-wire wound on a plastic flower-pot of abt. 45cm diameter. It is placed on the roof of the a little shed. I use "Mini-VNA" to measure this antenna and I added a picture of todays measurement. As you can see, the SWR is abt. 1,8 at best because Z=3D abt. 30. I built a current transformer to measure the antenna current and calibrated it with the dummy. I have 140V p-p on the 50R and this is should produce a current of 1A. I used a Iron-Powder core, primary one turn, secondary is 14 turns and it shows a voltage of 1V after rectifying. Now, that I have it outside on the feeding point, it shows 2V which would means 2A....Thant seems a little bit high to me. Where does this error come from? I want to optimize the antenna regarding Impedance because it's only abt. 30R instead of 50R. Where should I start? More wires in the ground? Does this reduce Impedance or not? More topload? Thicker wires?=20 You see, a lot of questions from somebody who is new to LF. Thank everybody who will take the time an read this long mail in advance. Best regards es 73 OE3GHB Gerhard From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df05.mx.aol.com (rly-df05.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.18]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF081-54c4b31e036219; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 04:18:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF051-54c4b31e036219; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 04:17:46 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNNKf-0003Cd-Ok for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:16:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNNKf-0003CU-E2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:16:37 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.35]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNNKd-0003zS-MZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:16:37 +0000 Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl (dovemail7.xs4all.nl [194.109.26.9]) by smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBN9GIBr037227 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:16:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Received: from 82.161.81.65 (SquirrelMail authenticated user pa0rdt) by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:16:34 +0100 Message-ID: <85d83b4a35a1a0f396829ec51c08438b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <41AD0F546A9449DBA4357932408AFEF3@lindavideo> References: <678FAD4478574A8682D9BDE7D982EE11@lindavideo> <1f0624b90912220213l299aa2ebvd9a91a3fbd3b0983@mail.gmail.com> <41AD0F546A9449DBA4357932408AFEF3@lindavideo> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:16:34 +0100 From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.18 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: PA0RDT Mini-Whip Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Ken, I don't think that it is neccessary to use protection diodes. Just try it and when it goes wrong it will only cost you a cheap FET. 73, Roelof, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de07.mx.aol.com (rly-de07.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.143]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE071-4eb4b228c55391; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:16:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE074-4eb4b228c55391; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:15:50 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJA0h-0000oS-QN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:14:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJA0h-0000oJ-AZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:14:35 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJA0g-0002RK-JS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:14:35 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvQEAMEaIktOlpWR/2dsb2JhbACIaM1BhCsEgWM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,383,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="317126389" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([78.150.149.145]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2009 18:14:26 +0000 Message-ID: <006801ca7a8d$c8842000$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC12@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B22410F.1000306@telia.com> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:14:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 This is what I have been saying all along and ofcourse there are Wireless Operators who know their subject and Appliance Operators fumbling with data. If you have enough bandwidth like microwave freqs then ARQ helps but on LF/MF and even HF under poor propagation condx or QRM it goes on for ever trying to get a correct response. to proceed with the traffic. I have used and experienced these various systems performing commercially over the years. If you have lots of tfc to shift then one has to perservere otherwise use CW and a professional operator. Imagine trying to pass a position report on an aircraft on HF using ARQ in poor or qrm condx, the aircraft could have landed by the time the msg was received. The fastest and most reliable modes on MF/HF for this type of operation was CW or SSB and is still used. For efficiency and simplicity and cost 500 kcs is still a good bet for the marine service and that is why they are reluctant to let it go. A professional CW operator will win out in the end, he only needs a few basic components and a piece of wet string to transmit his message via wirelss. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" To: Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 1:26 PM Subject: Re: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? On this matter... For the recent talk I gave on weak signals at a Microwave Roundtable ( http://www.g4jnt.com/MartleSham.htm ) I made some simulated CW in Noise using accurately calibrated S/N levels. An interesting finding came to light, if you normalise the signal rate to the S/N, so making bandwidth irrelevent, most of the 'fuzzy' modes end up with a similar capability. In other words, Aural CW, QRSS, SMT Hell all need a similar S/N at their respective bandwidths to work. The actual normalised S/N for readability is subject to the operator's experience togther with Temperature/Time of day/mood/Age/Gender/Alcohol intake/Hunger/Weather or any other similar parameter, but there's no massive differences between any of them. So its all down to bandwidth. Even machine modes without error correction manage a not-too-dissimilar performance once their data rates have been normalised. However, if you spread the signal, intentionally, by adding FEC, the improvements can be enormous. As I think we all know only too well when comparing QRSS etc with WSPR, Wolf and other modes with heavy FEC. At least on microwaves we have the luxury of virtually unlimited bandwidth, so can operate in a true Shannon power limited channel to make the most of band spreading. Incidently, the usually quoted signal efficiency used on one axis of the Shannon curve "Bits/second/Hz" sounds uninspiring. But if, instead of Hz, you use the old term 'cycles per second', it becomes Bits/cycle. Which puts a whole new meaning and explanation to the axis on the Shannon curve, and elicited an "Oh Wow, yes, that IS an interesting way of putting it" when told to an experienced comms engineer. The term was actually used in Shannon's original paper of 1948, but seems to have got lost Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police 2009/12/11 Johan H. Bodin : > Hi Stefan, > >> Or isn't it possible to give such a relation? > > Yes, it is not only possible, it is in fact quite simple: > When the speed is reduced by a factor K, the information bandwidth is > also reduced by the same factor. This allows you to use a receiver > bandwidth which is K times narrower without missing any information. The > nice thing is that the noise power passing through this bandwidth is > also K times smaller - The S/N ratio has improved K times (or 10*log(K) > dB if you prefer). In other words, you can reduce the TX power by the > same factor K and still enjoy the same SNR (if RX BW is is also made K > timer narrower). > > In visually received QRSS, the receiver bandwidth is equal to the RBW, > the "resolution bandwidth", which is approximately equal to the FFT bin > width (one pixel on Argo). > > QRSS30 is 10dB more efficient than QRSS3, in theory at least. > > 73 > Johan SM6LKM > > ---- > > Stefan Schfer wrote: >> Dear LF, >> Does anybody know about the "gain" between QRSS3 and QRSS10 or QRSS30? I mean, if the noise in both cases is equal, how much can I reduce my tx pwr when switching from qrss3 to qrss10? Or isn't it possible to give such a relation? >> And: Was there ever a TA QSO in QRSS3? >> I am new on the reflector, sri ;-) >> >> Stefan / DK7FC >> >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc02.mx.aol.com (rly-dc02.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.31]) by air-dc03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC034-b064b16b9c9eb; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:03:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC022-b064b16b9c9eb; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:02:35 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFuSM-0006sb-NX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:01:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFuSM-0006sQ-36 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:01:42 +0000 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFuSK-0008Ih-Dj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:01:42 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtcEAEVIFktOlANV/2dsb2JhbACCJC2iZbJQhDEE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,329,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="138842373" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.148.3.85]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 02 Dec 2009 19:01:34 +0000 Message-ID: <003101ca7381$dcd25df0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:01:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01CA7381.DC6BD3F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01CA7381.DC6BD3F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This reminds me of the Partridge Joy Stick 50 myears ago !!!!!!!!!!!!!= !!!!!!!1=20 The Wire is doing all the work and the probe is incidental g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 4:01 PM Subject: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Hi Mike, Bernd, LF,=20 Thank you very much for your transmission yesterday in the evening!= I could do very useful tests and improve my little rx-antenna signifi= cantly. I'm not sure if anyone who uses a short E-field active antenna as a= rx antenna knows about the dependence of wire length and the height= above ground so I want to give a report of the results of my tests ye= sterday in the dark. Perhaps some others could improve their antenna= by these explanations. (First I tried to sent the pictures into the mail but the mail size= became more than 100kB and so the mail wasn't reflected, as it seems.= So I do modify the mail cancelling the Pictures. I put them on my pag= e at qrz.com and those who are interested in the results of my improve= ments can find them there (at the lower end of the site).) For the first test I tried the active antenna with a wire of 1,4m.= The lower end of the wire was abt 2m above gnd (observed signal of G3= XDV)(Argo without AGC and RX with fast AGC). There was almost nothing= to see. Then, I reduced the wire length to 80cm while the hight above= gnd keeping constant. Results were much better as can be seen.=20 Next: 40cm wire length: even much better!=20 Next: 30cm: signal gets lower but qrm also. SNR slightly better.=20 Next: 25cm is the best, as I think.=20 Next: 20cm Signal becomes worse. So, the optimum seems to be at arou= nd 25.30cm!=20 Next: 20cm in a height of 4m: Signal comes up but noise also. No sig= nificant increase of SNR The signals of Ossi/OE5ODL were audible in all the tests and vy gd= to cpi. But the signal was too strong to see any differences between= the S/N ratios (a Picture is also available). My Conclusion: It seems that a short receiving antenna can bee seen= as a capacitive divider out of the capacity between far field and ant= enna and the capacity between antenna and ground. If the wire length= is to much, the input stage becomes nonlinear/goes into saturation.= If the height above ground is increased the signal comes up, but not= the signal/noise ratio(surely there will be a benefit if such an ante= nna is placed in a region with heavy local qrm. Then, the height shoul= d be increased and the wire length can be decreased). So, one cannot= say "the more the better" talking about the wire length! It's exciting, we can receive our "QRP"-Signals (compared to HF) ove= r a distance of 100s or 1000s of km with a wire that is 1/10000 Lambda= ! In comparison, in the 80m band that would be an antenna of 8mm (!)= ;-) With this improvement I get new hope for receiving anything out of= the city, where my home QTH is. I hope this report isn't nerving because of the long text (and pictu= res) and size. I try to stay always below 100kB. Perhaps some RXs can= be improved or Lowfers gets motivated to try such an antenna. 73, Stefan/DK7FC PS: Mike, what's your locator? I want to check the distance and take= a view to your QTH (on http://f6fvy.free.fr/qthLocator/fullScreen.php= everyone can type the searched QTH-Locator and watch the QTH of the= received stn). So one can see the distance and the wave travelling pa= th and if the stn in directly at the beach or in the mountains and so= on. Vy fine! PPS: I forward this message to Bernd, the constructor of the preamp.= I think he doesn't know that the antenna gets even better when reduci= ng the wire length! (tnx Bernd!)=20 ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01CA7381.DC6BD3F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This reminds me of the Partridge Joy= Stick 50=20 myears ago !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
The Wire is doing all the work and th= e probe is=20 incidental
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 02,= 2009 4:01=20 PM
Subject: LF: Results of optim= ising an=20 active antenna

Hi Mike, Bernd, LF, =

Thank you very much for your trans= mission yesterday in=20 the evening! I could do very useful tests and improve my little rx-a= ntenna=20 significantly.

I'm not sure if anyone who uses a= short E-field active=20 antenna as a rx antenna knows about the dependence of wire length an= d the=20 height above ground so I want to give a report of the results of my= tests=20 yesterday in the dark. Perhaps some others could improve their anten= na by=20 these explanations=85

(First I tried to=20 sent the pictures into the mail but the mail size became more than= 100kB and=20 so the mail wasn=92t reflected, as it seems. So I do modify the mail= cancelling=20 the Pictures. I put them on my page at qrz.com and those who are int= erested in=20 the results of my improvements can find them there (at the lower end= of the=20 site)=85)

For the first test I tried the act= ive antenna with a=20 wire of 1,4m. The lower end of the wire was abt 2m above gnd (observ= ed signal=20 of G3XDV)(Argo without AGC and RX with fast AGC). There was almost= nothing to=20 see. Then, I reduced the wire length to 80cm while the hight above= gnd keeping=20 constant. Results were much better as can be seen.

Next: 40cm wire length: even much= better!=20

Next: 30cm: signal gets lower but= qrm also. SNR=20 slightly better.

Next: 25cm is the best, as I think= .

Next: 20cm Signal becomes worse.= So, the optimum seems=20 to be at around 25=8530cm!

Next: 20cm in a height of 4m: Sign= al comes up but=20 noise also. No significant increase of SNR

The signals of Ossi/OE5ODL were au= dible in all the=20 tests and vy gd to cpi. But the signal was too strong to see any dif= ferences=20 between the S/N ratios (a Picture is also available).<= /P>

 =

My Conclusion: It seems that a sho= rt receiving antenna=20 can bee seen as a capacitive divider out of the capacity between far= field and=20 antenna and the capacity between antenna and ground. If the wire len= gth is to=20 much, the input stage becomes nonlinear/goes into saturation. If the= height=20 above ground is increased the signal comes up, but not the signal/no= ise ratio(surely there will be=20 a benefit if such an antenna is placed in a region with heavy local= qrm. Then,=20 the height should be increased and the wire length can be decreased)= . So, one cannot sa= y =93the more the better=94=20 talking about the wire length!

It=92s exciting, we can receive ou= r =93QRP=94-Signals=20 (compared to HF) over a distance of 100s or 1000s of km with a wire= that is=20 1/10000 Lambda! In co= mparison, in=20 the 80m band that would be an antenna of 8mm (!)=20 ;-)

With this improvement I get new ho= pe for receiving=20 anything out of the city, where my home QTH is=85

I hope this report isn=92t nerving= because of the long=20 text (a= nd=20 pictures) and size. I=20 try to stay always below 100kB. Perhaps some RXs can be improved or= Lowfers=20 gets motivated to try such an antenna=85

73, Stefan/DK7FC

PS: Mike, what's your locator? I= want to check the=20 distance and take a view to your QTH (on http://f6fvy.free.fr/qthLocator/fullScreen.php<= /SPAN>=20 everyone can type the searched QTH-Locator and watch the QTH of the= received=20 stn). So one can see the distance and the wave travelling path and= if the stn=20 in directly at the beach or in the mountains and so on. Vy=20 fine!

PPS: I forward this message to Ber= nd, the constructor=20 of the preamp. I think he doesn=92t know that the antenna gets even= better when=20 reducing the wire length! (tnx Bernd!)

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_002E_01CA7381.DC6BD3F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.202]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB011-85ed4b368e7fa7; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:30:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F409238000092; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:30:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOf8V-0007hK-Un for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 22:29:23 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOf8V-0007hB-AJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 22:29:23 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOf8U-0006Xe-Hs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 22:29:23 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 675637B802A for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 23:29:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BCF3F3862 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 23:29:11 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id D98C418056; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 23:29:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from 114.21-180-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (114.21-180-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [91.180.21.114]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 23:29:10 +0100 Message-ID: <20091226232910.zvm80doogowog4sg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 23:29:10 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AD02@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AD02@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 91.180.21.114 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40ca4b368e7e56c8 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Stefan, why not use the "big" TX antenna also for RX. With a sufficient =20 atenuator of course. On 137kHz I alway used my TX antenna for RX, but a 40dB attenuator was =20 required to avoid overload at the RX. 73, Rik ON7YD Quoting Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer : > Dear Lowfers, > > Yesterday i saw the extreme influence of my 100m vertical tx antenna =20 > to the small active antenna. Now I have some ideas how to avoid =20 > that and would be thankful for any comments and hints. > > During the QSOs there was much QSB in the RX signals, just as if =20 > someone is playing with the AF-volume. First I thought it is caused =20 > by a loose contact in the Converter or in the fiber optic cable but =20 > later I found, that it was caused by the angle of the tx antenna to =20 > ground (Wind was good but with some QSB ;-) ). > > In my last QSO with IK1HSS I disconnected the TX wire from the =20 > loading coil and than, the whole signal was almost gone (when =20 > choosing =E2=80=9Cvisual mode LOW=E2=80=9D at the argo monitor). Switchi= ng to =20 > =E2=80=9Cvisual mode HIGH=E2=80=9D and increasing the AF a little bit ga= ve almost =20 > the same QRM lines by DFC39 (vy strong yesterday). Now, the SNR was =20 > much better than before! > > In the following pic you can get a impression of the dimension of =20 > the influence of the TX ant (The RX ant is isolated to the rest of =20 > the rig by an optic fiber cable and battery supply, so =E2=80=9Cjust=E2= =80=9D =20 > coupled by the E field to the TX ant): > > [cid:image001.jpg@01CA865F.BA287870] > > In the left part the TX wire was disconnected from the coil and mode was= HIGH > > In the middle part I connected the wire to the loading coil > > In the right part I switched to the LOW mode! > > I am sure that the TX ant does not only increase the QRM but also =20 > the wanted signal. So the benefit will not be so strong than between =20 > left and right part in the pic. But the SNR increases =20 > significantly, as I saw in the QSO with IK1HSS. So a disconnection =20 > of the TX wire makes sense. > > What are the alternatives? > > Placing the RX ant apart from the TX ant to reduce the influence? I =20 > think with a 100m vertical I can forget that unless I do not want to =20 > spend 100s of meters of RX cable ;-) > > Bringing the ant out of resonance? That is the one and only solution =20 > I think. Any better ideas? > > I could disconnect the loading coil at the lower end to ground. That =20 > could be done with a relay (My RX/TX sequencer provides an output =20 > =E2=80=9C12V @ RX=E2=80=9D that could directly be used for this). Probab= ly there =20 > will be a residual coupling capacity of the coil to ground and the =20 > relay contacts and so on, say 30pF but since my ant C is 580pF that =20 > would be quite enough for deadjusting, I hope so. > > As I thought about protecting the contacts and the PA in the case =20 > that there will be a mistake (contacts have to be closed without a =20 > voltage at the relay) in the circuit, i thought some Varistors or =20 > even better some antiparallel diodes could be a good choice. That =20 > brought me to the idea that a power diode out of a SMPS would easyly =20 > handle the antenna current with fast enough switching times. > > So do you think just two antiparallel diodes (or perhaps 2x2, 2 in =20 > series, and perhaps with an additional 10=E2=80=A6100k Resistor parallel= ) =20 > without a relay could be suitable to solve the RX TX ant influence =20 > problem? Could the TX signal distortion be neglected? When the =20 > voltage across the diodes (RX case) is less than the forward =20 > voltage, do the diodes act as an open contact, just with a few pF =20 > reverse capacity? I think so but I don=E2=80=99t know much about the RX= =20 > voltages that are given by such an antenna. There will be some =20 > experiments=E2=80=A6 :) > > Comments welcome ;-) > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (rly-dg01.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.85]) by air-dg07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG074-59c4b2d14e23d8; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:01:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG011-59c4b2d14e23d8; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:01:08 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NM3Wf-0002pL-99 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:55:33 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NM3We-0002pC-Os for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:55:32 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NM3ag-0005i4-Vb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:59:44 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.3]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091219175437.VOAN27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:54:37 +0000 Received: from [86.27.92.51] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NM3Vl-0005cs-DH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:54:37 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <346854e9698cbf94f4483c66682bb63b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <001e01ca80b0$392cb0b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <002501ca80cc$2df97f90$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:54:35 -0000 Message-ID: <00ba01ca80d4$53af4d20$0217aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <002501ca80cc$2df97f90$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcqAzGFx0gc34KT2S+qPja2+9+kr0gAB5Psg X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1ggfb5FlKZQUfF3vzm9UBYZ2uTfLsbs/8dSljwg5+mE= c=1 sm=0 a=Vwgi05fIUd8A:10 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=bz8W5dAOWtpmlNZclK8A:9 a=5dV5Y5ZRe0OonRsZU0NH5DOLoJ0A:4 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: Re: Re: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 As opposed to a false resonant antenna? Troll food!! Best wishes and merry Christmas to all Jim G7NKS I said recently that the wire connecting these type of mini antennas is in fact the antenna. It was the same with the Partridge Joy stick of yesteryears, the long connecting wire to the small loading coil was doing most of the work. There is no substitute for a real resonant antenna at the working frequency. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 1:36 PM Subject: LF: Re: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals > >I think the role of the ground with active whips is often neglected - the output of the whip preamp > >is the voltage differential between the whip element and the circuit ground, so the ground > >connection is just as much part of the antenna as the whip element itself is. > > That's an important point that is often overlooked or ignored. A mini whip mounted up at 5 meters is > a 5 meter antenna. You can easily prove this by mounting it at ground zero on top of a ground > screen. Been there, done that. > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me05.mx.aol.com (rly-me05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.39]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME032-9b54b1695291cc; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:26:39 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME051-9b54b1695291cc; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:26:18 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFs10-000547-KT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:25:18 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFs10-00053y-7T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:25:18 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFs0z-00063l-Ce for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:25:18 +0000 Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091202162011.OGIE17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com>; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:20:11 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091202162011.BYVC2093.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]>; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:20:11 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?=" , rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:20:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B1693B7.15908.4B3CBE@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=dhz1nbLXCGUA:10 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=3T_JeE6tAAAA:8 a=H6aXk52kRGse47-bHh0A:9 a=dTgRmNREED6-7hYJY6eHIeiWJLMA:4 a=4qNJEKoO9VQA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=WORK_AT_HOME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 > PS: Mike, what's your locator? I want to check the distance and take a > view to your QTH (on http://f6fvy.free.fr/qthLocator/fullScreen.php > everyone can type the searched QTH-Locator and watch the QTH of the > received stn). So one can see the distance and the wave travelling > path and if the stn in directly at the beach or in the mountains and > so on. Vy fine! Hi Stefan, I am pleased my beacon was useful, and thanks for sharing your results. Other people used my transmission last night and I have been asked to run it again tonight. I work from home and can be active at any time if you need a signal again. My locator is IO91VT. If you zoom into the locator square given by that web site, I am located about 30% down the square and about half way across. 73 de Mike ======== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG053-a204b22210f2f6; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:38:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG072-a204b22210f2f6; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:38:09 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ2s3-000561-LK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:37:11 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ2s3-00055s-3z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:37:11 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ2s1-0006sA-2J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:37:11 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqYEALWfIUtZ8LIi/2dsb2JhbACOEAbIJ4QrBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,381,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="313555876" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([89.240.178.34]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2009 09:29:15 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01ca7a44$6a00c2c0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 09:29:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7A44.69A3AEA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7A44.69A3AEA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Signal adjustment=20 G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7A44.69A3AEA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7A44.69A3AEA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md10.mx.aol.com (rly-md10.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.148]) by air-md08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD081-92c4b251477220; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:21:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD104-92c4b251477220; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:21:12 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJrAZ-0005VZ-9p for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:19:39 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJrAY-0005VQ-Nu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:19:38 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJrB8-0003qh-KH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:20:16 +0000 Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091213162008.VZHI17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:20:08 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091213162008.MSPX21638.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:20:08 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:20:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B251434.20887.16AB41C@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: References: <1260444821.6353.65.camel@vaio3rd>, <4B250D02.733.14E9A34@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com>, X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=0WSUxHMXFWIA:10 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=aWpAf1uQ3O-xLEdZw2AA:9 a=ExDq9xAkyczN55DWesE_PVasxm4A:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 There are no official differences in procedure, but of course most stations would try to send less information and shorter 'words' during slower QRSS QSOs. "73" could be replaced by "GB" (goodbye), and once full callsigns have been exchanged, they could be shortened of left out completely. Reports need not be repeated (just 'O' instead of 'O O O'). This is most important when using QRSS30 or QRSS60 for intercontinental QSOs. A useful timing advantage comes from using DFCW though it is slightly less readable than QRSS. Mike, G3XDV ========== > Is there a special procedure to shorten QSO's in QRSS10 or are there > short signs? Couldn't we use letters in stead of numbers in our calls? > Or just a 3 for 73 to give an example? 3 HBNASB > > 2009/12/13 Mike Dennison > > > See my web page: > > > > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mike.dennison/index/lf/gallery/dl3zid.h > > tm > > > > for an illustration of the difference between QRSS3 and QRSS10 on a > > marginal signal. > > > > Mike, G3XDV > > ========== > > > > > Does anybody know about the "gain" between QRSS3 and QRSS10 or > > > QRSS30? I mean, if the noise in both cases is equal, how much can > > > I reduce my tx pwr when switching from qrss3 to qrss10? Or isn't > > > it possible to give such a relation? And: Was there ever a TA QSO > > > in QRSS3? I am new on the reflector, sri ;-) > > > > > > Stefan / DK7FC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb11.mx.aol.com (rly-mb11.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.169]) by air-mb01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB013-d364b2df770351; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 05:07:57 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb11.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB112-d364b2df770351; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 05:07:46 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMIcB-0006dR-QD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 10:02:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMIcB-0006dI-GA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 10:02:15 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMIfq-0004Qf-OH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 10:06:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 5769 invoked by uid 507); 20 Dec 2009 11:06:37 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2009 11:06:37 +0100 Message-ID: <200912201106400858.2B71DECA@smtp2.numeo.fr> References: <200912201054240958.2B66A409@smtp2.numeo.fr> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:06:40 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: F6BWO 339 by ear on hand speed CW on 137 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 BWO now R5 at 1005z. F5VLF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (rly-mc03.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.87]) by air-mc03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC033-d674b18f6941b8; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 06:46:37 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC037-d674b18f6941b8; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 06:46:30 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGWal-0006MB-RV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:44:55 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGWal-0006M2-0X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:44:55 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGWai-0004k1-UV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:44:54 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B86752AD0E4 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 11:44:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps02.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.138] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.58V) with ESMTP id XID310NLDLSt9648X01; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:44:45 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.138 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps02.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID310NLDLSt9648X01 Received: from [192.168.1.3] [151.47.209.234] by cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 345NLDLSr2272M38; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:44:43 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.209.234 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.3] Message-ID: <4B18F629.8050606@usa.net> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:44:41 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B16987B.9000002@usa.net> <4B179DE6.3050608@usa.net> <20091203194531.or926chzk844g4k8@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <4B183595.5060800@usa.net> <4B18C0F9.8060202@telia.com> In-Reply-To: <4B18C0F9.8060202@telia.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID345NLDLSS2272X38 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Johan H. Bodin wrote: > Yes, those Trappiste beers are quite interesting, Chimay for example > which is available in different signal strengths (QRP..QRO), but I don't > believe it is possible to get them in metal cans. As a compromise, you > can try to wrap the bottle in metal foil, or, avoid drinking it and > solder the FET gate directly to the bottle's cap. :-) > > 73 > Johan SM6LKM Oh no.... avoiding drinking it would be asking too much.... :-) And G4GVW says : > We may, therefore, suppose that S/N ratios might depend on the number of > samples, their frequency and relative signal strengths. The condition of > the observer should,probably, also be taken into account! Correct... so to reduce the variance, what would be needed is a much greater number of samples so to average out the statistical fluctuations... hmmm, not too bad a task... :-) 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb08.mx.aol.com (rly-mb08.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.166]) by air-mb02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB022-d1d4b19863c273; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:59:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB081-d1d4b19863c273; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:59:25 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGgAb-0002q6-Ha for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:58:33 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGgAb-0002px-3w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:58:33 +0000 Received: from mailout03.t-online.de ([194.25.134.81]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGgAZ-0000tt-7Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:58:33 +0000 Received: from fwd03.aul.t-online.de by mailout03.t-online.de with smtp id 1NGgAY-00076K-04; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:58:30 +0100 Received: from e7010 (S8EFkOZAwhXLhZsUrpQqESZzJBqduaZKSlEhwVI3NacAWtTlWQCHmgtSU2yrSbEQAz@[84.147.254.117]) by fwd03.aul.t-online.de with smtp id 1NGgAS-1pS33A0; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:58:24 +0100 Message-ID: <008101ca752c$e6253790$6402a8c0@e7010> From: "Walter und Marianne Staubach" To: Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:58:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-ID: S8EFkOZAwhXLhZsUrpQqESZzJBqduaZKSlEhwVI3NacAWtTlWQCHmgtSU2yrSbEQAz X-TOI-MSGID: bbcc31a8-9a08-4124-844b-ef654bcb5d3d X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: DI2AG WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007E_01CA7535.476AD2A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01CA7535.476AD2A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear MF, due to technical problems DI2AG must be shut down. 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------=_NextPart_000_007E_01CA7535.476AD2A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me09.mx.aol.com (rly-me09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.43]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME034-9dc4b391dea36c; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:07:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME098-9dc4b391dea36c; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:06:52 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPMmH-0006rn-6k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:05:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPMmG-0006re-RY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:05:20 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPMmD-0008UG-RA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:05:20 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so6993303bwz.4 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:05:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=qUDK5Mepx/bS8MwRd4F7RGt8XycI8AxTuUWmBCeiq+Y=; b=TlBMuTKfOLUJiyHI+TaZzQOnSuZxHUqCs6n/cVlY54f9u/x3WKYnhR8r2uvqVwwZl0 WkH8IfMhS6ShAYP7w3JNJUjouXudrVcu++lZLWV3SZrUWgD2dQjamVrEhFc8ap1+X9cr Z5wwmXJGvH7aHDj2Wo+DX5ixLs85b3RLeuZ70= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=R4jW2UD4Q3VpSGy4eEh8Im7pDL/MlVZ1OHw9GUUQDweE+JcNwjx3kydb6zdJFY1iEe bu2hmx+V6K/UGPJKQPqALgBAiHOnl26fSQGlhKrEpJCid4eqUaA6Nq+Htoz7u4zTe5T4 jWkjoHpA1kAAGI4vnW8DJ3rv+eDdl91noUfa0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.10.8 with SMTP id n8mr4163124bkn.48.1262034310709; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:05:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:05:10 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: 500kHz Beacon write up Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d225.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) After receiving a few of reports of this beacon (both the "5MHZ type" and the WSPR signals) from listeners who clearly hadn't previously heard about it, I've done a quick write up. Take a look at http://www.g4jnt.com/500kHz_beacon.pdf Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (rly-ma06.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.50]) by air-ma09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA093-8b34b236820353; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 04:53:44 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA065-8b34b236820353; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 04:53:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJOeV-0000Fa-R1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 09:52:39 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJOeV-0000FP-EG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 09:52:39 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJOeU-0006Tx-O9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 09:52:39 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7968E51C001 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:52:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 681B5F3862 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:52:29 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id B6B0718056; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:52:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from 12.62-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (12.62-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [87.65.62.12]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:52:28 +0100 Message-ID: <20091212105228.nhnn4kgtogw0w44s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:52:28 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <001901ca7ab9$f82c4630$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <4B22D7EF.7070908@inext.at> In-Reply-To: <4B22D7EF.7070908@inext.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 87.65.62.12 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: ID of station on 137775.25? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Ossi, that was an audible copy here. "AGC" was also O-copy a few Hz up. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Oberreiter Oswald : > hallo jay thanks fere report was transmiting only my nr 5 5 5 5 5 ... > 73 oe5odl ossi > > jrusgrove@comcast.net schrieb: > Very strong copy of '5' earlier. Curious who this might be. > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > > ________________________________ > > [cid:part1.09070409.07020909@inext.at] > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md09.mx.aol.com (rly-md09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.147]) by air-md04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD041-9244b2956be223; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:53:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD094-9244b2956be223; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:53:04 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NL1kf-0001qV-0K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:49:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NL1ke-0001qI-GE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:49:44 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NL1md-0007lW-8i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:51:50 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (co02-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 381B51345A0 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:52:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps02.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.138] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.58V) with ESMTP id XID609NLPV1F9905X02; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:52:05 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.138 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps02.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID609NLPV1F9905X02 Received: from [192.168.1.4] [151.47.214.131] by cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 229NLPV1c9072M38; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:52:02 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.214.131 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.4] Message-ID: <4B29567F.9080106@usa.net> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:51:59 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID229NLPV1c9072X38 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=1.639,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------070207080208030309080801" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_06, HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_08,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_ONLY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --------------070207080208030309080801 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roelof Bakker wrote: 
Hello Stefan,

This sounds quite interesting.
An other option is to use a twisted pair of CAT5 network cable and  
rf-isolation transformers at the antenne and receiver end.
The power for the active antenna can be fed over a second twisted pair.
I have used this in a few stubborn cases.
I used a couple of these ununs, galvanically isolated, at the two ends of the coax.
It helps a lot. The core was a very high permeability one.

73  Alberto  I2PHD


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Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:30:38 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/240.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:30:38 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Osborn To: LF Group MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: OH1TN calling CQ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1299824424-1261416638=:11526" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d283.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-1299824424-1261416638=:11526 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LF, OH1TN has been calling CQ for hours on 137.7 kHz DFCW(3). Has anyone still got their LF gear? 73 Chris G3XIZ =20 --0-1299824424-1261416638=:11526 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
LF,

OH1TN has been calling CQ for hours on 137.7 kHz DFCW(3).
Has= anyone still got their LF gear?

73 Chris G3XIZ


--0-1299824424-1261416638=:11526-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me04.mx.aol.com (rly-me04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.38]) by air-me09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME092-9b14b251b20285; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:49:44 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME045-9b14b251b20285; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:49:38 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJrcB-000620-QD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:48:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJrcB-00061r-E2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:48:11 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate03.web.de ([217.72.192.234]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJrcf-000534-Hd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:48:44 +0000 Received: from smtp06.web.de (fmsmtp06.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.5.172]) by fmmailgate03.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE3A138BC137; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:48:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from [217.227.113.4] (helo=mo76) by smtp06.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE 4.110 #314) id 1NJrcY-0002CH-00; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:48:35 +0100 Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:48:34 +0100 From: Michael Oexner X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.12.00) Personal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <297314752.20091213174834@web.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CC: ik1hss@arrl.net, Marco IK1ODO In-Reply-To: References: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> <241919.87622.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9afca2640912130305r3acb5e5fs991caaa1115d2255@mail.gmail.com> <6E7638745A1B43168C402CDBB010C2A7@AGB> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: michael.oexner@web.de X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+5CoOxYcCJf9JU+hltcf4p3x59AsPZlEzfMsc+ m0FjYgOPLgpZt7YaPpZyGAwWMlBMo3ON9VmhpN0gYD/XYLOdYu Pbvp9YQ/7u53jSBmV11w== X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: IK1HSS WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ciao Marco, > IK1HSS is active in WSPR on 137.740 (signal frequency, carrier is at > 136.420). ERP power is 50 mW from JN35TB. > Reports are appreciated to ik1hss@arrl.net ! 1638 -22 0.1 0.137753 -1 IK1HSS JN35 17 1642 -19 0.2 0.137753 -1 IK1HSS JN35 17 1646 -17 0.1 0.137753 0 IK1HSS JN35 17 Listening here with Perseus and mini-whip antenna. --=20 vy 73 + gd DX, Michael RX: ICOM R75, SDR-IQ, Perseus Antenna: Wellbrook ALA 1530, Mini-Whip Location: Roschbach, Germany N 49=B015' E 8=B007' / Locator JN49BF ENDBH & NANDBH editor http://ndbchangeblog.blogspot.com http://lwca.org/miscdocs/oexner/2009NDBinfo.zip From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db09.mx.aol.com (rly-db09.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.84]) by air-db04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB041-ae64b23eb4019b; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:13:14 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB094-ae64b23eb4019b; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:13:05 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJXNq-0002mj-3V for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:12:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJXNp-0002ma-Kx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:12:01 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJXNu-00024L-60 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:12:08 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (co02-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 047EE134119 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:11:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps02.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.138] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.58V) with ESMTP id XID092NLLTma6337X02; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:12:00 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.138 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps02.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID092NLLTma6337X02 Received: from [192.168.1.4] [151.47.220.86] by cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 989NLLTL76272M38; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:11:58 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.220.86 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.4] Message-ID: <4B23EAFB.7080608@usa.net> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:11:55 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC1F@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B23B319.9080005@usa.net> <4B23C4B5.10102@freenet.de> <003e01ca7b4d$307ac190$3ab27cbc@ap6fnsa53r3k6h> <4B23E5CD.6090209@freenet.de> In-Reply-To: <4B23E5CD.6090209@freenet.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID989NLLTL76272X38 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: Re: LF: Japanese time&frequency station Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) This is how I see now (19:10 UTC, Dec 12) that segment of band http://www.sdradio.eu/images/25-50kHz.gif Mini-whip + SDR-IQ 73 Alberto I2PHD ----------------------------------------- Wolfgang B=FCscher wrote: > Hi Marcin, > At the very moment on VLF..LF : >=20 > 22.1 kHz GQD (Anthorn), strong, > 23.4 kHz DHO, extremely strong (my "VLF neighbour", hi) > 24.0 NAA Cutler, USA, about 40 dB weaker than DHO but very cleary visibl= e, > 25.2 NML La Moure, USA, about 10 dB weaker than NAA but still visible > around 30 kHz : hell of a noise from energy saving QRM generators, > 37.5 kHz TFK from Iceland, strong, > around 40 kHz : lots of noise again, almost masking NAU on 40.75 kHz, > 45.9 NSY (US navy from Italy), very strong also, > 51.95 GYW from Scotland, > 53.4 TBG from Turkey with a RTTY-like sound (no MSK) >=20 > plus a few 'unidentified' signals which don't look like MSK . > 73, Wolf . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md10.mx.aol.com (rly-md10.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.148]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD053-92d4b2924e620a; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:20:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD105-92d4b2924e620a; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:20:23 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKyQS-0007R0-Kj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:16:40 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKyQS-0007Qr-9S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:16:40 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.29]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKySn-0005hK-F6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:19:07 +0000 Received: from pc1 (ndb.demon.nl [82.161.81.65]) by smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBGIIu6d047941 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:19:05 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:18:55 -0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Roelof Bakker" MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.63 (Win32) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Stefan, This sounds quite interesting. An other option is to use a twisted pair of CAT5 network cable and rf-isolation transformers at the antenne and receiver end. The power for the active antenna can be fed over a second twisted pair. I have used this in a few stubborn cases. It should be interesting to compare both methods. 73, Roelof bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (rly-mc03.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.87]) by air-mc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC044-d674b27d4f02e6; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:27:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC037-d674b27d4f02e6; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:26:58 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKc3T-0008Bs-Sd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:23:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKc3T-0008Bj-CR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:23:27 +0000 Received: from mailout.toya.net.pl ([217.113.224.27] ident=postfix) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKc4w-0007TA-Jx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:25:00 +0000 Received: from mail.toya.net.pl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5426E20000594 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:25:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (unknown [10.11.152.246]) (Authenticated sender: unimlyn) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2FF4520000591 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:25:15 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B27D48A.7080802@toya.net.pl> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:25:14 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?UGlvdHIgTcWCeW5hcnNraQ==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC77@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC77@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: AW: AW: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070100070409000104040305" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------070100070409000104040305 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer wrote: > Mni tnx Rik for your answer! > > =20 > > No, you didn=E2=80=99t spoil the fun at all ;-) > > =20 > > I have some remarks/ideas. > > The coil losses increase linear with the power but not more than=20 > linear. So, 10x the power wouldn=E2=80=99t decrease the antenna efficien= cy (if=20 > no arcing occurs, of course). If we assume an antenna, e.g. in 8m=20 > height with many toploads, then the efficiency will be poor but the=20 > capacitance will be high and thus the needed L will be small.=20 > Therefore we get a low voltage even with very high power and due to=20 > the low efficiency we will keep the legal limit. So, if one has no=20 > possibility to increase the antenna height QRO is one choice,=20 > especially when the operator is already in pension and cannot do a qso= =20 > in qrss10000000000000000000000000 any more ;-) > > =20 > Dear Stefan, LF group I did read all the answers within the topic you've started or , being= =20 more precise, how to get the 1 watt of permitted ERP limit using=20 different ideas concerning antennae, TX power, "gain" due to different=20 modulations ( qrss , FEC related, etc...) Of course, in practical=20 terms an appropriate mixture of all the factors mentioned along with=20 propagation paths and its duration , results in an ability of a given=20 station to make a qso As we all have also some fun with that issue, especially looking at=20 the qrss1//endless repetition of zeros// so let us make this fun to= =20 stay a little longer.. There was one conclusion: bad antenna - go for a QRO - i would go=20 for another extreme .. "good" antenna - go for a QRP the lambda for 137 kHz is, say, 2200 meters, its quarter 550 meters so=20 why not making a GP ( ground plane antenna) :) Assuming 3db loss of a GP wrt dipole to get 1 watt erp we must have a=20 tiny 2 Watt transmitter and.. hire a helicopter for an hour or so =20 to rise that 550 meters of wire and stay in a suspension mode while ,=20 at this time , one can make tens of qso using normal CW ( i did not=20 mention about lambda/4 counterpoises ) when reading about kiloWatts of TX power, corona effects already=20 compared to Northern lights i immediately thought about the 'opposite' = :) = =20 73 de Piotr, sq7mpj qth: Lodz/jo91rs/ p.s . Does anyone know the cost of a helicopter rental ? ( i mean,=20 in practice, statistical average or so) --------------070100070409000104040305 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer wrote:

= Mni tnx Rik for your answer!

= =C2=A0

No, you didn=E2=80=99t spoil the fun at all ;-)

=C2=A0

= I have some remarks/ideas.

The coil losses increase linear with the power but not more than linear. So, 10x the power wouldn=E2=80=99t decrease the antenna efficiency (if no arcing occurs, of course). If we assume an antenna, e.g. in 8m height with many toploads, then the efficiency will be poor but the capacitance will be high and thus the needed L will be small. Therefore we get a low voltage even with very high power and due to the low efficiency we will keep the legal limit. So, if one has no possibility to increase the antenna height QRO is one choice, especially when the operator is already in pension and cannot do a qso in qrss10000000000000000000000000 any more ;-)

=C2=A0

Dear Stefan, LF group
I=C2=A0 did read=C2=A0 all the answers within the topic you've started=C2= =A0 or , being more precise,=C2=A0 how to get=C2=A0 the 1 watt of permitted=C2=A0= ERP=C2=A0 limit=C2=A0 using different ideas concerning antennae, TX power, "gain" due to different modulations ( qrss , FEC related,=C2=A0=C2=A0 etc...) Of course,= in practical terms an appropriate mixture of all the factors mentioned=C2=A0 along with propagation paths and its duration , results in an ability of=C2=A0 a given station to make a qso
As=C2=A0 we all have=C2=A0 also some fun=C2=A0 with that issue, especially= looking at the qrss1//endless repetition of zeros// =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 so let us make= this fun=C2=A0 to stay a little longer..
There was=C2=A0 one=C2=A0 conclusion:=C2=A0 bad antenna=C2=A0 - go for a= QRO=C2=A0=C2=A0 - i would go for another extreme .. "good" antenna - go for a QRP
the lambda for 137 kHz is, say, 2200 meters, its quarter=C2=A0 550 meters= so why not making a GP ( ground plane antenna)=C2=A0=C2=A0 :)
Assuming 3db loss of a GP wrt dipole=C2=A0 to get 1 watt erp we must have= a tiny 2 Watt=C2=A0 transmitter=C2=A0 and.. hire a=C2=A0 helicopter=C2=A0 fo= r=C2=A0 an hour or so=C2=A0 to rise that 550 meters of wire and stay in a suspension mode=C2=A0 while= , at this time , one can make tens of=C2=A0 qso using normal=C2=A0 CW=C2=A0= ( i did not mention about=C2=A0 lambda/4 counterpoises )

when reading about kiloWatts of=C2=A0 TX power, corona effects already compared to Northern lights i=C2=A0 immediately thought about the 'opposite'=C2=A0 :)

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 73 de Piotr, sq7mpj
qth:=C2=A0 Lodz/jo91rs/

p.s .=C2=A0 Does anyone know=C2=A0=C2=A0 the cost of=C2=A0 a helicopter re= ntal ? ( i mean, in practice, statistical average or so)
--------------070100070409000104040305-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (rly-mg05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.111]) by air-mg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG062-a124b20424974; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:35:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG054-a124b20424974; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:35:23 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIWys-00079w-LE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:34:06 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIWyr-00079n-Lt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:34:05 +0000 Received: from qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.16]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIWyp-0004Wg-0H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:34:05 +0000 Received: from OMTA22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.73]) by QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FCEL1d00B1ap0As51CZBpA; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:33:11 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([76.23.233.102]) by OMTA22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FCaC1d0082DDHkk3iCaCt2; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:34:13 +0000 Message-ID: <003201ca7930$73dc02b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <392758439.1260398409.48146488.79519@mcgi74.rambler.ru> <4B202EA6.1090000@usa.net> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 19:33:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 2.0 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,EXTRA_MPART_TYPE=0.815,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=0.64,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 147.3 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01CA7906.8A82E800" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_10, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01CA7906.8A82E800 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_002E_01CA7906.8A82E800" ------=_NextPart_001_002E_01CA7906.8A82E800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good copy of cw signal 'by ear' in CT ... on a very noisy night. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: Alberto di Bene To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 6:11 PM Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 147.3 Beautiful copy of DDH47, but then, given their power, it is not a great surprise.... 73 Alberto I2PHD ------=_NextPart_001_002E_01CA7906.8A82E800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good copy= of cw signal 'by=20 ear' in CT ... on a very noisy night.
 
Jay W1VD  WD2XNS=  =20 WE2XGR/2
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Alberto di= Bene=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 09,= 2009 6:11=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 147.3<= /DIV>

Beautiful copy of DDH47, but then, given their power,= it is not=20 a great surprise....

73  Alberto  I2PHD


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(unknown [91.109.40.94]) by mwinf3502.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 78CB57000091 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:50:26 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20091214195026494.78CB57000091@mwinf3502.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <0FBFB0F2D03145CFA5444890FC1156D7@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <20091210100700.32DEC31E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <1260444821.6353.65.camel@vaio3rd> <1260449921.6353.77.camel@vaio3rd> <200912141851290399.0E3514C6@smtp2.numeo.fr> In-Reply-To: <200912141851290399.0E3514C6@smtp2.numeo.fr> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:50:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 John, Looks like its a just a plain old cw rig .. don't have the full= story,=20 but from the bits of the pdf that translates , looks like its dds= =20 controlled with a pic , master clock running at 67 MHZ , dds out= to 17=20 MHz then divided down to 136 .. A real steam hammer / nut cracker set at round =A3800 .. .. and there= is a=20 50 watt version as well ..... http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "John RABSON" Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 5:51 PM To: Subject: LF: Re: TX-2200A > > May I add a somewhat late comment about this product, please? > > It seems to me that there are several different requirements for a= =20 > transmitter for 136 kHz, depending upon what any individual needs.= Being=20 > able to generate 1 kW is not always necessary. One thing that struc= k me=20 > about this unit is that the power level can be varied over a conside= rable=20 > range. When setting up an antenna and its connection to the feed li= ne, it=20 > is very useful to start with low power (hence low voltage) so as not= to=20 > stress the various components unnecessarily. > > One thing I like about this unit is that it can be used for ordinary= =20 > hand-sent CW. Presumably QRSS would not be a problem. Also, can th= is rig=20 > be used for some of the more sophisticated modes? I do not think I= have a=20 > complete set of the e-mails of this thread. Please will someone enl= ighten=20 > me. Thanks. > > 73 > John Rabson > F5VLF > 58800 Cervon > France > JN17vg > > > > > >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.214]) by air-mg05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG052-8c2e4b3798bc36; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:26:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B32DB380000AF; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:26:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOwrV-00038w-HH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:25:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOwrV-00038n-6v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:25:01 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOwrU-0001UW-IT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:25:01 +0000 Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091227172454.WISE27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:24:54 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091227172454.SPUP21638.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:24:54 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:24:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B379863.32201.6059F4@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=hJvq4DRsbZEC4C7yUjIA:9 a=-z-Iw6m4OUUyuQTnJK9ffLgWFuoA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: G3XDV beacon Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d64b3798bb1b25 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I am transmitting 'XDV' on QRSS60 from now until tomorrow morning (the 28th). The frequency is 136.3198kHz. I note that DJ8WX is on 136.3190kHz and PA3CPM is on 136.3180kHz at present. Mike, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.74]) by air-di01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI012-eab74b2241902e9; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 07:56:48 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4A5B638000070; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 07:56:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ51H-0006nf-Gr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:54:51 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ51G-0006nW-Sl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:54:50 +0000 Received: from pne-smtpout1-sn1.fre.skanova.net ([81.228.11.98]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ51D-0008AZ-6O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:54:50 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (81.235.167.68) by pne-smtpout1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (7.3.140.3) (authenticated as u33233109) id 4AE169E6006B56B0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:54:41 +0100 Message-ID: <4B22410F.1000306@telia.com> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:54:39 +0100 From: "Johan H. Bodin" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC12@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC12@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404a4b22418f2ca2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Stefan, > Or isn't it possible to give such a relation? Yes, it is not only possible, it is in fact quite simple: When the speed is reduced by a factor K, the information bandwidth is also reduced by the same factor. This allows you to use a receiver bandwidth which is K times narrower without missing any information. The nice thing is that the noise power passing through this bandwidth is also K times smaller - The S/N ratio has improved K times (or 10*log(K) dB if you prefer). In other words, you can reduce the TX power by the same factor K and still enjoy the same SNR (if RX BW is is also made K timer narrower). In visually received QRSS, the receiver bandwidth is equal to the RBW, the "resolution bandwidth", which is approximately equal to the FFT bin width (one pixel on Argo). QRSS30 is 10dB more efficient than QRSS3, in theory at least. 73 Johan SM6LKM ---- Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > Dear LF,=20 > Does anybody know about the "gain" between QRSS3 and QRSS10 or QRSS30?= I mean, if the noise in both cases is equal, how much can I reduce my tx= pwr when switching from qrss3 to qrss10? Or isn't it possible to give suc= h a relation? > And: Was there ever a TA QSO in QRSS3? > I am new on the reflector, sri ;-) >=20 > Stefan / DK7FC >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (rly-dd01.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.148]) by air-dd06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD064-b5e4b1c2b46122; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 17:08:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD018-b5e4b1c2b46122; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 17:08:07 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHPG4-0006cG-Si for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:07:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHPG4-0006c7-FQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:07:12 +0000 Received: from mx40.mail.ru ([94.100.176.54]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHPG3-0000Wi-Lv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:07:12 +0000 Received: from [94.75.144.151] (port=64613 helo=[192.168.1.4]) by mx40.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NHPFx-000FzF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 01:07:05 +0300 Message-ID: <4B1C2AFB.4060504@mail.ru> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 01:06:51 +0300 From: Dmitry User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.8.1.23) Gecko/20090825 SeaMonkey/1.1.18 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: UA4WPF RA3YO Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070702080405000903000409" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------070702080405000903000409 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Laurence Also see on 137775.5 RN3AGC dfcw120 "AGC" 73 Dmitry RA3YO hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com wrote: > "Y" RA3YO readable dfcw 137778.05/.15 and "WPF" 137778.75/.85 Nice > and clear into Bohai Bay this early morning (its 0430 local) - > DCF39 sitting at S3 to S5, same for Budapest which is its normal > couple of dBs stronger. MSFSK type RTTY signal around 135.8 ish Khz is > S2. QRN is low, kicking up the meter to S3 occasionally. > > Im also seeing weak 2 min period transmissions on my 502.4 dial > spectrum out put and Ill keep my beady bloodshots on that too. > > Wheres the coffee... > > Still lower strength signals being somewhat offset my the very low QRN > levels. > > Laurence KL 1 X in BY3A OM89UA > Tanggu China > Temp PA0RDT probe on fishing pole, R75. > > Snappers on > http://kl1x.com/screen2.html E China > > http://kl1x.com/screen.html South Central Alaska > --------------070702080405000903000409 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Laurence

Also see on 137775.5 RN3AGC dfcw120  "AGC"

73
Dmitry
RA3YO

hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com wrote:
"Y" RA3YO readable dfcw 137778.05/.15 and "WPF"   137778.75/.85   Nice and clear into Bohai Bay this early morning  (its 0430 local)  -  DCF39 sitting at S3 to S5, same for Budapest which is its normal couple of dBs stronger. MSFSK type RTTY signal around 135.8 ish Khz is S2.  QRN is low, kicking up the meter to S3 occasionally.
 
Im also seeing weak 2 min period transmissions on my 502.4 dial spectrum out put and Ill keep my beady bloodshots on that too.
 
Wheres the coffee...
 
Still lower strength signals being somewhat offset my the very low QRN levels.
 
Laurence KL 1 X in BY3A OM89UA
Tanggu China
Temp PA0RDT probe on fishing pole, R75.
 
Snappers on
 
http://kl1x.com/screen.html  South Central Alaska
 

--------------070702080405000903000409-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (rly-dd02.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.149]) by air-dd01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD012-b614b25650f3b0; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:05:08 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD023-b614b25650f3b0; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:05:04 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJwWn-0001Ms-7H for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:02:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJwWm-0001Mj-PG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:02:56 +0000 Received: from mailout05.t-online.de ([194.25.134.82]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJwXO-0006t6-Em for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:03:36 +0000 Received: from fwd11.aul.t-online.de by mailout05.t-online.de with smtp id 1NJwXU-0003Cl-03; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:03:40 +0100 Received: from e7010 (V+UnM+ZLYhj+mYIjQXjSErn3D4wjNHnYDDD6jfE7AJQCcoQLtoa+hg3f+aKm6AYw54@[84.147.189.8]) by fwd11.aul.t-online.de with smtp id 1NJwXP-0FpxeC0; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:03:35 +0100 Message-ID: <000a01ca7c40$1ef0a900$6402a8c0@e7010> From: "Walter und Marianne Staubach" To: Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:03:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-ID: V+UnM+ZLYhj+mYIjQXjSErn3D4wjNHnYDDD6jfE7AJQCcoQLtoa+hg3f+aKm6AYw54 X-TOI-MSGID: 34a8767c-92b4-4929-9885-6f60a4985b51 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: DI2AG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7C48.8074D3B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7C48.8074D3B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear MF, sorry but I have the suspicion that high power disrupts my tele= fone system (ISDN), while DSL works fine. So now reduced power again= - 0.4W ERP. 73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA7C48.8074D3B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear MF,
      = sorry but I=20 have the suspicion that high power disrupts my telefone system (ISDN),= while DSL=20 works fine. So now reduced power again - 0.4W ERP.
73   Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF
 
 
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Tue, 15 Dec 2009 06:01:02 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF124-5954b276c57143; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 06:00:43 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKV68-0001KN-77 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:57:44 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKV67-0001K6-DT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:57:43 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f211.google.com ([209.85.220.211]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKV7i-00028f-Nh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:59:24 +0000 Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so4398063fxm.4 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 02:59:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=oM9vwsyGcx8LDzgBhW9VpI7khcsH8yRPoMDV+igIpYE=; b=CoaqptrYLYohJGeUp0qdFxvrdU7b0JvH0bdAvst7mCQS33ncgMBmhy4jcbbdMINP+n dUH2kJy8VpfuYRhonBSZ0PHgf52HmX7g8H7RRaVV0vl5pJhnyVRPoUyUXtO4JKIWG157 EJPhCt8a9xI3+mARy8KHGqCtX/O3nIzrZzfKo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=tvTpyEvcapx/gmmzZE6kxyJeSLq7is37Gy3pUPghrRRoKnZ9Mxm57fS3HXB2vQPJbe bWJ0BWl3xO2Mq1VJjasb/AJb/rU3qNGpn5lyNkq/w0gSI4RjRDcPH25sn11kUsjGRoMe yUVwYcI8Wb1FdPJRFe2zPIwtSTfNOsHvrQciU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.145.133 with SMTP id s5mr623002hba.49.1260874755003; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 02:59:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC66@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> References: <4B250D02.733.14E9A34@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC66@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:59:14 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d257.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Comparing QRSS with visual intepretation cannot be compared directly with CW using Aural decoding - you have to normalise values. Your ears have an 'effective' bandwidth for CW of , probably, around 30Hz. Within this bandwidth, most experienced operators can hear a tone, at their optimum tone frequency of choice, at around 5 - 10dB S/N. But to decode CW reliably, this S/N has to be nearer 15dB. CW experience plays a big part here (Mal, - stay...........!!) Using QRSS, you can probably get reliable visual decoding at 10 - 15dB S/N in the dot bandwidth. For 20WPM CW, with a dot of say 50ms this corresponds to 20Hz ( 1/0.05s) which is near-enough to the 30Hz noise bandwidth assumed. So aural CW and visual QRSS are roughly equal in terms of RATE / BANDWIDTH. The QRSS advantage comes about since you are prepared to trade off message duration against bandwidth. This is basic information theory as mostly worked out by Shannon in 1948. If you normalise to a standard form of Bits/second/Hz (which become Bits / cycle and is rather more meaningful when using the old cycles per second terminology of Shannon's day) then CW QRSS, and inded the various Hell formats as well, are all roughly equal in signalling capability. ie about 1B/s/Hz at 10 to 10dB S/N Even SSB voice fall into about the same region since the ear/brain does a very good noise canceling job there as well. Remember that value - its pretty constant for 'human' modes (and the actual value very operator-experience dependent) [... I said 'Stay...." :-) ] And yes, if the path was stable for several years, and the ionosphere didn't move to give Doppler spreading on your signal, then dropping to QRSSSSS....SSSSSSSS 1000000000000 you could indeed communicate with VK using a nanowatt to a hairpin! But note those caveats - if the path was stable and ionosphere... It isn't. Alan G3NYK and others have studied 137 / 500 propagation anomalies and more-or-less come to the conclusion the stable period is only tens of minutes, if that. Which precludes any faster signalling than a few tenths of a bit per second. HOWEVER, and this is where the real future lies... If you throw away the concept of simple signalling, forget CW, QRSS etc, and use a properly designed multilevel waveform with heavy forward error correction and soft decoding then you WILL gain a real 10dB or so over simple on/off. Yes you really will. As an example take WSPR, which sends 72 bits of source information in 110 seconds, that's about 0.6B/s/Hz (0r 0.6Bits/cycle - I like that terminology !) . It can do that at -29dB S/N normalised it 2.5kHz - we know that, it is accurately measured and reported by the decoding software. Since the WSPR signalling bandwidth is 1.46Hz - the symbol rate, that -29dB at 2.5kHz increases by 32dB to +3dB. And that's completely error free I reckon decent FEC can add 6dB to the signalling efficiency of human mode= s. Open to arguments. See www.g4jnt/MartleSham.htm for a powerpoint presentation including some simulated CW in defined S/N and more vlaues / details Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police 2009/12/15 Stefan Sch=E4fer : > Dear LF, > > I have done some further thoughts/questions about the "gain" between the > qrss modes. > > If the "gain" or better said SNR between qrss30 and qrss3 is 10dB, so ca= n I > do a QSO to VK with 1W TX Power and an antenna efficiency of 1/1000 if= I > choose QRSS10000000000? That=92s a litte jokingly formulated but you kno= w what > I mean. In other words, where are the limitations of this rule? > > In CW I think that rule cannot be valid because a dot in CW (say 20wpm)= is > much shorter than 0,3s but to my experience the =93gain=94 compared to= qrss3 is > not even 10dB. Furthermore a PC must be seen as a source of QRM, especia= lly > when connected to the antenna system (e.g. for switching a tx relay with= the > qrs-programm) and RX (even when using a insulating transformer for the= AF), > and so it always brings a =93negative gain=94, even when one uses 10s of= ferrite > cores=85 > > And: I always thought of the energy "waste" when applying 1kW (before 6= yrs > when I became qrv with a much worse antenna) to the antenna and pumping > 999,9W into the earth. But when I need 10x the time in qrss30 to do the= qso > with 100W, the needed energy is the same (compared to 1kW in qrss3). So, > qsos could be done much faster if choosing 10x the power and stay in qrs= s3. > The additional advantage would be, if I try to do a TA QSO I could just= stay > in the region of 137.7 and those who are qrv in qrss3 and only watch the > qrss3-sector would get a nice signal and thus more fascination for the > LF-hobby (I often think about the LWLs watching my transmission when no= one > is answering my call ;-)). In sum, the needed energy (=3Dmoney) is the= same > but the needed time would be 10x less. > > Of course, there would be some problems like partial discharges due to= the > high voltage at the antenna and for 10kW the kitchen stove must be conne= cted > in parallel, that could cause QRM with the XYL... ;-) But generally it= would > be interesting!? > > What is the maximum power that is applied to an antenna yet? What have= you > heard yet? I have applied 1kW in a bad antenna (=3D> abt 100mW ERP), so= 10kW > would be possible when considering to stay in the legal limit. 10kW woul= d be > possible since one doesn't need a ferrite core that has to keep the powe= r > (in Class E mode). In USA it would be even more easy due to the fact tha= t > the 110V of the mains could just be rectified. Then I would take some > STW12NK90Z in parallel and a IXDD414 and try it with 15A antenna current= ;-) > > Sorry, but in that hobby it is really easy to become euphoric=85 > > > > 73 and hope for fine qsos for us J > > Stefan / DK7FC > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.17]) by air-da08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA082-86184b33c97c18c; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:05:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 196C538000098; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:05:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNtv4-0000vb-4N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:04:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNtv3-0000vS-Qe for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:04:21 +0000 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.11]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNtv0-0005Y0-Vk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:04:21 +0000 Received: from pppoe.dyn-67.220.40.74.hurontel.on.ca (pppoe.dyn-67.220.40.74.hurontel.on.ca [67.220.40.74]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD29217316 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:04:14 -0500 (EST) From: John Bruce McCreath Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:04:37 -0500 Message-Id: <9A92B37F-2F44-4D52-986A-43347DDA491C@hurontel.on.ca> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: LF: Merry Christmas! X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41114b33c97c4998 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello LFers, Wishing my LF friends across the pond a Merry Christmas from chilly but sn= ow free Saltford, Ontario, Canada! 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------=_NextPart_000_0003_01CA7976.D2CB4880-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (rly-mf05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.175]) by air-mf09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF093-95b4b1a3a7925e; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 05:48:42 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF051-95b4b1a3a7925e; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 05:48:27 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGsAo-0005kr-9y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 10:47:34 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGsAn-0005ki-Oh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 10:47:33 +0000 Received: from psmtp08.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.22]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGsAi-00043a-T5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 10:47:33 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp08.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KU6006W5DYW2X@psmtp08.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 11:47:20 +0100 (MET) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 11:47:21 +0100 From: henny van elst To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <5BBB0891CA1E410C94A0DBCAD16831DA@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <095730AD253E4F12BDDAFD8792A0CE5A@IBM7FFA209F07C> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: PA3CPM Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_pCaejQm4M/bTfigFUY085w)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_pCaejQm4M/bTfigFUY085w) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello Chris,LF The transmision was cpmcpmcpm,but it was interupted,so wath he saw was ok, henny pa3cpm best 73s ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris To: RSGB LF Group Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 10:09 AM Subject: LF: PA3CPM Thanks Henny! It seems the station who saw you must have made a mistake, although he seemed quite certain it was 'MCP'. Sorry for the confusion and thanks Andrey, you were right! Vy 73, Chris, G4AYT. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.94/2545 - Release Date: 12/04/09 19:34:00 --Boundary_(ID_pCaejQm4M/bTfigFUY085w) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Hello Chris,LF
The transmision was cpmcpmcpm,but it was interupted,so wath he saw was ok,
henny pa3cpm
best 73s
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 10:09 AM
Subject: LF: PA3CPM

Thanks Henny!
It seems the station who saw you must have made a mistake, although he seemed quite certain it was 'MCP'. Sorry for the confusion and thanks Andrey, you were right!
Vy 73, Chris, G4AYT.


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Possibly...at 2:30 this afternoon I heard a G3 (not Mal) and an RA4 calling CQ on 160....amazing condx. 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autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: T/A [137kHz] WD2XKO visible now Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello LF , Very good copy of "XKO" now , visible on my grabber ! 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (rly-mb03.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.161]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB044-cf84b38807d2bf; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 04:55:13 -0500 Received: from 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Andrey,LF, Tu for the grabber Andrey,it is my first test with the ropex transmitter and a synth. the power is 175 watt,and the antenne is a sloper 14 meter with two toploads 10 meter, best 73s and hny Henny pa3cpm. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 9:04 AM Subject: LF: CPM, WX 28/12 > Hello Henny, Uwe, LF, > capture last night: > CPM at 2.20 > WX at 2.50 > > 73 Andrey > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.430 / Virus Database: 270.14.121/2589 - Release Date: 12/27/09 09:18:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.148]) by air-db05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB051-85f14b38e216105; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:51:34 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BDA0738000153; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:51:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPInQ-000660-Fn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:50:16 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPInP-00065r-W8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:50:16 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPInO-00044l-6S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:50:15 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D7B51C002 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:50:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE33B31E702 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:50:04 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 1518618056; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:50:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from 253.7-180-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (253.7-180-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [91.180.7.253]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:50:04 +0100 Message-ID: <20091228175004.z90hw4yyw0gg8cwc@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:50:04 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AD0B@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AD0B@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 91.180.7.253 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: AW: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40944b38e215562a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Stefan, the problem with "big" antennas for RX is that they overload the =20 receiver and cause IMD effects. Most harmfull is 3rd order IMD and the =20 good thing with an attenuator between antenna and RX is that for every =20 dB attenuation the 3rd order IMD is reduced by 3dB. Therfor you may =20 want to increase attenuation as long as the external noise level is a =20 bit stronger (let's say 3 to 6dB) than the internal (RX) noise level. As long as this is the case the attenuator will not affect the overal =20 RX sensivitity (although you will get little or no s-meter reading), =20 but IMD behaviour will improve by 100dB or more. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Stefan Sch=E4fer : > Hi Rik! > Tnx for your explanations. So, perhaps my RX SNR could even be =20 > increased by more attenuation, that would be fine. > I thought the most of us using a separate RX antenna, like the =20 > PA0RDT design or a receiving loop. But now it sounds, that some are =20 > using the TX ant? > Another question: If you say that there has just to be a little =20 > difference in the noise between connected and disconnected antenna, =20 > I think you mean, that the difference has to be as small as =20 > possible? Because, the case that there is a difference, occurs at =20 > all attenuation levels from 0 dB to a maximum, say 60db. So 0 dB =20 > would also fulfill this statement, of course. But if the difference =20 > should be as small as possible, what about the internal noise of the =20 > RX system? Is the part of this internal noise in that case not to =20 > much relevant? Or in other words, doesn't it decrease the SNR, if =20 > the part of the received signal is small compared to the RX-internal =20 > noise? I thought, the level of the received signal should be as =20 > HIGH as possible, so that the input stage is just not overdriven!? > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =20 > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe > Gesendet: Montag, 28. Dezember 2009 15:23 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: Re: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna > > Hello Stefan, > > there is a easy way to check if you have too much attenuation or not: > Tune the RX to an unused freq (only noise/QRN) and disconnect the > antenna; if you can hear the difference between antenna / no antenna > then attenuation is not too much. > With a 11m high / 25m long lazy-L antenna at a quiet location I could > add 40dB attenuation and still hear the noise increasing when > connecting the antenna. > I guess with a kite-antenna 50 to 60dB might be a good value. > Of course it all depends also on the RX used, I use a Kenwood TS440 > that seems to be sensitive at LF. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.19]) by air-ma10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA104-b5474b2d6464159; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:40:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 11068380000AF; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:40:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NM8pO-00040G-Ar for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 23:35:14 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NM8pN-000407-Us for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 23:35:13 +0000 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NM8tY-0007Ln-7E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 23:39:34 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArgEAOLyLEtOlqyh/2dsb2JhbACIX8p6hC4E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,425,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="238207006" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([78.150.172.161]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2009 23:39:25 +0000 Message-ID: <001b01ca8104$7fa25dc0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <002801ca80dc$639db200$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <57a24ca70912191323q42dc08acr75fcd0cef89cea5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 23:39:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: HOT 500 RX Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60134b2d646457a7 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 YES EC 958 vy good on LF and MF with the 400 hz filter and an ext DSP unit. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" To: Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:23 PM Subject: Re: LF: HOT 500 RX Mal, Isn't that RX really an Eddystone 958 with a Hagenuk label ? -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 1:52 PM, mal hamilton wrote: > Using a marine RX Haghenuk EE 430 at present 10 kcs - 30 mcs. Hot RX on > 500 kcs > de G3KEV > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc10.mx.aol.com (rly-mc10.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.94]) by air-mc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC013-d9d4b339f12103; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:04:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC105-d9d4b339f12103; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:04:20 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNr5U-0000Lq-5E for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 17:02:56 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNr5T-0000Lh-FX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 17:02:55 +0000 Received: from smtp821.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.250]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNr5R-00031w-2t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 17:02:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 67674 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2009 17:02:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Importance:In-Reply-To; b=NCNAQfSoFqMaxPmyDS3W1p24M0uEHXYAi6GKwQQfASAIO6w1tvDij+MygLNrjJJAJJXdcxxAXuRHHMzl3qFYMKfefi6QTSPRpQ1x1avh7iIq0EgAECfYte4lwOzPvEZPKep7HfGj2B1dMjY7p3afiqTla1xyAyqn0kgg+Ey212Y= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@86.134.205.105 with login) by smtp821.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2009 17:02:45 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: JSvqNSWswBBXc9Mk_Vd71RtGz2bViJtuZMADdmi78eLqBj_R7.fL X-YMail-OSG: QUiWzkMVM1mtbLL9V3CdRLcYgXIjUYlUz_az4P7gsz8HG8SF3I5pqoNDwJjFWijJwML2IcwdnZ9N9BrTavKMS1mVH994IvR5q1.VaC35dN_hENWzWAb3Ov4_mrdAHqOlQCIlJP48CH69DSmz7drawb1_RCoz8e_hpGORF5BbENh6DIExOBbIhVS.PGhtMSQImlkfgM4Oq8mNS1Jf0WaXvSdxztDPdhP06CjLb6v4iGmr6cE_QNV.D1a1LEQe5lijOFJMQcnZg.EUGdUsG0JcXKWt0.M.KEE4QpSTXHPKrTBFWW2IN9UQFSVKqy3qiv94U5dzbz3aTE8- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 17:03:09 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <252809.11526.qm@web28505.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: OH1TN calling CQ Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA84BA.F86A73F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA84BA.F86A73F0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000F_01CA84BA.F86BFA90" ------=_NextPart_001_000F_01CA84BA.F86BFA90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OH1TN "M" copy here on 137,725 kHz at 1636z. See attached screenshot. Mike G3XDV was calling CQ at rhe same time ;-) Antenna =3D 1.2m tuned loop 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E. England -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Chris Osborn Sent: 21 December 2009 17:31 To: LF Group Subject: LF: OH1TN calling CQ LF, OH1TN has been calling CQ for hours on 137.7 kHz DFCW(3). Has anyone still got their LF gear? 73 Chris G3XIZ ------=_NextPart_001_000F_01CA84BA.F86BFA90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OH1TN=20 "M" copy here on 137,725 kHz at 1636z. See attached=20 screenshot.
 
Mike=20 G3XDV was calling CQ at rhe same time ;-)
 
Antenna =3D 1.2m tuned loop
 
73,=20 Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E. England
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Chris= =20 Osborn
Sent: 21 December 2009 17:31
To: LF=20 Group
Subject: LF: OH1TN calling CQ

LF,

OH1TN has been calling CQ for hours on 137.7 kHz DFCW(3).
Has=20 anyone still got their LF gear?

73 Chris G3XIZ

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Received: from rly-df05.mx.aol.com (rly-df05.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.18]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF071-5524b1adb3d386; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:14:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF057-5524b1adb3d386; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:14:22 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NH2sG-0008Ku-1E for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:13:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NH2sF-0008Kl-9k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:13:07 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NH2sE-0005Lr-Nz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:13:07 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by 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<001a01ca758f$b9fba3d0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> <20091205214737.ab07d9ds00s44sso@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <1f0624b90912051338t266765a3x2233faf64025e6a7@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f0624b90912051338t266765a3x2233faf64025e6a7@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 91.176.65.2 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz RTTY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Gary, I am a bit fuzzed why the CQ call in CW had to be 200Hz from the =20 frequency you and Gary were on. There was plenty of free space up and =20 down the band. A bit later the CW caller got a reply, but could hardly copy that =20 station. Although both stations were solid copy here, despite the =20 strong RTTY signals. I ended up "multitasking": reading the CW signals by ear and at the =20 same time reading the RTTY on the screen ... Today I picked up a SAIT MT430B marine TX. I haven't tested it yet but =20 if it is still operational it could be converted into a good linear =20 400W TX for 500kHz. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > Hi Rik, > > Thanks for your report & comments. > > I enjoyed the QSO with Graham, I could also hear the CW you mention. > > Cheers, > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > 2009/12/5 Rik Strobbe =20 > > > Gary, Grahem, > > I followed your RTTY QSO (+/- 20:40 UTC) with almost perfect copy =20 > from both station. > Even after a CW station started calling CQ about 200Hz up copy was =20 > still good. RTTY 45dB/85Hz seems quite robust. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da01.mx.aol.com (rly-da01.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.75]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA033-a4c4b2d0ac21a1; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:18:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA014-a4c4b2d0ac21a1; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:17:56 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NM2rT-0002NH-F3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:12:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NM2rS-0002N7-Vl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:12:58 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NM2um-0003ER-MS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:16:27 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so2862674bwz.4 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 09:17:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=L6US2AanK8FZGeds5425GA5Gr40uFE9n6nHSPakz/qk=; b=rTSJHW8JCozcrbVtDN89iAMSoh8n6AQMe3Oi+vb6S9SGsolz7lfE088amJOwVRG0JJ YHlLtfbskcCiYaMgLMxNmTE6Q9yWOIsZ69YEiMOSjQGDWQQoYTZE3zfF+GXGAbptuoDe w23n7KzQSMEjh/ZdHe4ix0xsmDAG1tVhpW1oo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=EU7kSBSzQFxHAF5FX4nXrk35efwE6nmi9fRvYCRQwb7XKbaPiSeu3zG79pGTTILtrf Co40OYh+FfoQfi1pjzghlhWmm1fuQv1Yd6UkQu0D9NoHpTBxJoN+08Z/2wD3Yhm9n0bP oDyxmDSkVT62GCEKEUS0SRBz142LWzPr07QaY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.24.69 with SMTP id u5mr3349868bkb.1.1261243019104; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 09:16:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <002501ca80cc$2df97f90$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <346854e9698cbf94f4483c66682bb63b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <001e01ca80b0$392cb0b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <002501ca80cc$2df97f90$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:16:59 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2640912190916g2eaed7e3o920b6eca5fcfd48b@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555476621120a047b1806b8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d285.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555476621120a047b1806b8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Total *tosh* Mal. You clearly don't understand how E-probe antennas work. 73s and happy Christmas Roger G3XBM 2009/12/19 mal hamilton > I said recently that the wire connecting these type of mini antennas is in > fact the antenna. It was the same with the Partridge Joy stick of > yesteryears, the long connecting wire to the small loading coil was doing > most of the work. > There is no substitute for a real resonant antenna at the working > frequency. > G3KEV > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 1:36 PM > Subject: LF: Re: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals > > > > >I think the role of the ground with active whips is often neglected - > the > output of the whip preamp > > >is the voltage differential between the whip element and the circuit > ground, so the ground > > >connection is just as much part of the antenna as the whip element > itself > is. > > > > That's an important point that is often overlooked or ignored. A mini > whip > mounted up at 5 meters is > > a 5 meter antenna. You can easily prove this by mounting it at ground > zero > on top of a ground > > screen. Been there, done that. > > > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR > > > > > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555476621120a047b1806b8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Total tosh Mal.=A0 You clearly don't understand how E-pr= obe antennas work.

73s and happy Christmas

Roger G3XBM
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2009/12/19 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.n= et>
I said recently= that the wire connecting these type of mini antennas is in
fact the antenna. It was the same with the Partridge Joy stick of
yesteryears, the long connecting wire to the small loading coil was doing<= br> most of the work.
There is no substitute for a real resonant antenna at the working frequenc= y.
G3KEV


----- Original Message -----
From: <jrusgrove@comcast.net>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 1:36 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signal= s


> >I think the role of the ground with active whips is often neglect= ed - the
output of the whip preamp
> >is the voltage differential between the whip element and the circ= uit
ground, so the ground
> >connection is just as much part of the antenna as the whip elemen= t itself
is.
>
> That's an important point that is often overlooked or ignored. A= mini whip
mounted up at 5 meters is
> a 5 meter antenna. You can easily prove this by mounting it at ground= zero
on top of a ground
> screen. Been there, done that.
>
> Jay W1VD =A0WD2XNS =A0WE2XGR
>
>





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--00032555476621120a047b1806b8-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (rly-mg10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.116]) by air-mg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG023-a3c4b2779012aa; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 06:54:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG106-a3c4b2779012aa; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 06:54:42 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKVwe-0002XC-UP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:52:00 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKVwe-0002X3-9x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:52:00 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s1.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.12]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKVyH-0002d7-GU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:53:42 +0000 Received: from BLU146-W33 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s1.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:53:33 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [60.27.206.155] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 02:53:33 -0900 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4B276A85.6060003@inext.at> References: <4B26CFC2.20402@inext.at> ,<4B276A85.6060003@inext.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2009 11:53:33.0811 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A6D5C30:01CA7D7D] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_16fa429c-988a-4d57-89a0-fae711017b93_" Subject: LF: BY3A Ops OSsi - X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --_16fa429c-988a-4d57-89a0-fae711017b93_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_b1bbfe5c-43f4-407d-ad63-4f6c255bef01_" --_b1bbfe5c-43f4-407d-ad63-4f6c255bef01_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think this was about the best Ossi =3D note there is a carrier running= on this freq too from somewhere - but it doesnt appear to be anything on= my present Loran harmonic list. =20 thanks for the signals =20 ps DCF 39 is just audible to my untrained ears :-) here at 1152Z which is= a good omen. =20 =20 regards Laurence KL 1X in By3A =20 =20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/=3D --_b1bbfe5c-43f4-407d-ad63-4f6c255bef01_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think this was about the best Ossi =3D note there is a carrier running= on this freq too from somewhere - but it doesnt appear to be an= ything on my present Loran harmonic list.
 
thanks for the signals
 
ps DCF 39 is just audible to my untrained ears :-)  here at 1152Z whi= ch is a good omen.
 
 
regards
Laurence KL 1X in By3A
 
 

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<6949F910A2A945058B164FC3443B420B@JimPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: Tnx fer Xmas day QSO G3KEV es XIZ; HNY to all. 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Hi Mal es Chris tnx fer nice Xmas morning QSOs.
 
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=20 --0-1141413642-1261746683=:98380-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb11.mx.aol.com (rly-mb11.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.169]) by air-mb06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB061-d3b4b22337d4d; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 06:57:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb11.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB117-d3b4b22337d4d; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 06:56:54 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ3yK-00067Z-3E for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:47:44 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ3yG-00067Q-W1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:47:41 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ3yC-0007aI-6n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:47:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 24225 invoked by uid 507); 11 Dec 2009 12:47:22 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2009 12:47:22 +0100 Message-ID: <200912111247270955.0605E519@smtp2.numeo.fr> In-Reply-To: <4B21CA48.8060108@telus.net> References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <20091210100700.32DEC31E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <1260444821.6353.65.camel@vaio3rd> <1260449921.6353.77.camel@vaio3rd> <4B21CA48.8060108@telus.net> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:47:27 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AW: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Scott, You summed it up nicely. LF radio is full of surprises. Long may it cont= inue. 73 John F5VLF *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 11/12/2009 at 04:27 Scott Tilley wrote: >Hi Rick > >Please try for a time before and during my sunrise. You may be=20 >surprises. Very good LF condx right now. > >73 Scott > > >Rick Wakatori wrote: >> Hi Laurence and the others, >> OKay. I will operate QRSS60 at 137780Hz as long as possible on 13th >> December. My antenna at there will be much suitable than usual. >> 73, Rick >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da05.mx.aol.com (rly-da05.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.79]) by air-da02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA024-a6d4b2b48cf342; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 04:18:14 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA055-a6d4b2b48cf342; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 04:18:09 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLYtp-0007tt-5j for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:13:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLYto-0007tk-Oa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:13:24 +0000 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLYwW-00029R-5u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:16:14 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiMFALPWKktOl0v9/2dsb2JhbACIX8wxhC0E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,417,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="214212150" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([78.151.75.253]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2009 09:16:23 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01ca7fc2$c666f6a0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <1542517694@web.de> <6F962616C1CC4C1B844AF099CB1BB55D@lindavideo> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:16:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Radio Amateurs BEWARE - Appliance Operators DO NOT TOUCH G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken" To: Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 10:43 AM Subject: LF: Re: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals > Optical fibres are fine for transmission and remove all the problems of > interference and cross talk at a stroke, but please be careful and observe > optical safety precautions when using lasers and other light sources. I > worked on optical systems for many years during my time with BT, and optical > safety took priority over every thing else. All optical fibres need to have > a perfect cleave on the ends, and the connectors be absolutely clean, if > you are not launching into an optical connector then alignment will be a > problem, similarly at the receive end. > > > 73. > Ken > > M0KHW > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Horst Stcker" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:01 AM > Subject: LF: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals > > > In theory it's a good Idea which I had some weeks before without working it > out. > > Years before I also have made tests with FTA (free to air) optical > transmissions with a DL2CH-Transceiver and a TRX-Kit by Aatis which is quite > much simpler. > Even with that it was no problem to link between two points about a few > meters. > > In this case you should think about an IR-LED. Unfortunately, the Aatis > receiver has a photo transistor instead of a diode. But it should be no > great deal to modify that. > > The problems with FTA optic transmission for this application are imho: > - You have to be sure, that no one can be injured by the laser beam, > especially at unattended operation. > - Think about how many hours/the beam has it's full power before becoming > much weaker. > - The optics must be kept clean. This could be a problem if the units are > out of reach. > - The units have to be mounted absolutely stable. For Example, on a swinging > fibre rod you'll never bring a laser beam exactly to the rx area. > > I bet, (FTA) optical transmission just changes one problem with a few > others. > > But the transmission with optical cable seems interesting. > > What type of cable do you suggest? I do not think, my TOS-Link cable would > stand weather/UV and mechanical conditions outside for a long time. > > Horst DO1KHS > ___________________________________________________________ > Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate fr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! > http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.208]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF031-5eea4b3b7317ff; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 10:34:47 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E3A9C38000199; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 10:34:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQ0Y8-0002VA-Uo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 15:33:24 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQ0Y8-0002V1-EK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 15:33:24 +0000 Received: from smtp816.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.245]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQ0Y6-0006oj-3r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 15:33:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 16851 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2009 15:33:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Importance:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE; b=OXuwr9sjHcWNZPnBOlKgcqwjf2P09lxLFliqo5IgHs4Kr1eotyIe1+shQ68kQTzP4if6wgd58Id65EqJOePCtJb91V7N15JPb73BwmYBeEbaJ2sL1tZbXMb4M15FJnNew0dceaKEOMGPGU+DsccZmVeeSHn+jg5SGV5WjQC0/NY= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@81.157.27.142 with login) by smtp816.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2009 15:33:15 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: JSvqNSWswBBXc9Mk_Vd71RtGz2bViJtuZMADdmi78eLqBj_R7.fL X-YMail-OSG: IqTKME0VM1l3cyZSmlb0.TUPAtG7qKFHZwxBC6gZEsCFRXV5ZDHqTDkZwS7nYaLNodguQRUXCkYS6SMIm5rWuOPHU9bbp3pukvhlBFOGZXfvsCku.oU6KV_lyoQKGnv2SGvHo_BlYAqAW2vB7zBawiFdDNwMR.J5d1Lgr7g5K0BVfv9vMAwEmF6wHQF5u4FrFF02PfNnvGpMLLgzzbEFphLV6Xgfz2tYunPa59uPWLE6pXq.C5dU0zwCYECJ7erf X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 15:33:38 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4AD8E1A5.3050400@inext.at> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: OE5ODL - report Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01CA8965.74F55DA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d04b3b73151d7f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CA8965.74F55DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ossi, LF, Screen shots of OE5ODL testing on 137,710 at 1347 UTC this afternoon. 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15:37:34 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:37:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B1689B9.30157.24374D@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <2FF5BE0915484B3EB86B7B946032FA80@IBM7FFA209F07C> References: <2FF5BE0915484B3EB86B7B946032FA80@IBM7FFA209F07C> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=gi0k4NwgEcWQgOn1qUcA:9 a=rYIVzu-6TwZcI6W4oZVIL13Wz9AA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G3XDV Test or Beacon Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Chris, Yes, I can repeat the exercise tonight. Weather permitting (it's raining heavily here now) I will transmit my call in QRSS3 on 136.318kHz from around 1800 to 2100UTC. 73 de Mike ========= > Are you planning any tests or beaconing this evening? Three of us > found your signal last evening most useful for comparitive equipment > and antenna set ups. We would all like you to do it again! It's not > often we get such a reliable, consistent and strong signal for such > puposes. Thanks. Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (rly-dg01.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.85]) by air-dg07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG074-5a04b1c1806e7; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:46:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG015-5a04b1c1806e7; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:46:00 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHNyQ-00068j-D5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:44:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHNyP-00068a-U2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:44:53 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHNyP-0000Bu-8b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:44:53 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B4AE7B802A for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 21:44:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A5AF3862 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 21:44:43 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id D3AF218056; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 21:44:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from 225.107-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (225.107-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.242.107.225]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:44:43 +0100 Message-ID: <20091206214443.uaqrb36tcwgogso8@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:44:43 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <1260128134.2455.23.camel@gerhard-desktop> In-Reply-To: <1260128134.2455.23.camel@gerhard-desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.242.107.225 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Question to Antenna Experts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Gerhard, my 2 penny worth: You are the first one I hear complaining about a to low antenna resistance= ;-) 30 Ohm is a very good value at 137 kHz (I was strugling with 130-170 Ohm). From this 30 Ohm only a fraction is radiation resistance, 99% or more =20 is loss in the loading coil and ground. So the lower the better. You mention a 2,2mH loading coil that represents a reactance of about =20 1900 Ohm at 137kHz. With a Q of 200 (what is very good) the loss in =20 the coil is just less than 10 Ohm, leaving a remarkable low 20 Ohm =20 groundloss. Very promissing for 137kHz ! The best way to match the 30 Ohm to 50 Ohm is a 1 to 1,3 transformer =20 at the antenna feeding point. Regarding the currents you measure: indeed, with 2 A into 30 Ohm from =20 a 50W TX you have a perpetuum mobile of the first kind, so something =20 is wrong. Some possibilities: - the meter itself picks up HF (the small coil inside), causing a far =20 to large deflection - if small voltage are rectified the diode loss cannot be neglected, =20 certainly not with a Si diode: 1Veff RF will produce only 0.3 Vdc The double DC voltage will be produced by 1.3Veff RF, not by 2Veff. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Gerhard Hickl : > Hello folks! > > As some of you may have noticed, I became active on LF. My TX makes > about 50W at 13,8V and the Antenna is a Marconi with multiple topload > wires. > > Basically it consists of two 12m Fiber poles in a distance of abt. 50m > (North to South). After about 20m from the feeding point, a 20m wire is > connected in a nearly right angle. The end of this wire is in about 10m > height to a tree. From the 2nd pole, a wire of 25m leads back to the > roof of the house in an acute angle. End is also abt. 10m above ground. > The end of both wires are at least 10m away from the tree and the roof > to avoid losses due high voltage. > > The wire diameter is 3mm in the vertical section (11m) and 0,8mm for the > first 20m, where the right angled wire diverges. From there all other > wires are 0,6mm. The cable to the shack is RG58 abt. 25m long. > > The feeding point is behind the house and the loading coil is about > 2,2mH made with insulated 3mm copper-wire wound on a plastic flower-pot > of abt. 45cm diameter. It is placed on the roof of the a little shed. > > I use "Mini-VNA" to measure this antenna and I added a picture of todays > measurement. As you can see, the SWR is abt. 1,8 at best because Z=3D ab= t. > 30. > > I built a current transformer to measure the antenna current and > calibrated it with the dummy. I have 140V p-p on the 50R and this is > should produce a current of 1A. I used a Iron-Powder core, primary one > turn, secondary is 14 turns and it shows a voltage of 1V after > rectifying. Now, that I have it outside on the feeding point, it shows > 2V which would means 2A....Thant seems a little bit high to me. Where > does this error come from? I want to optimize the antenna regarding > Impedance because it's only abt. 30R instead of 50R. Where should I > start? More wires in the ground? Does this reduce Impedance or not? More > topload? Thicker wires? > > You see, a lot of questions from somebody who is new to LF. > > Thank everybody who will take the time an read this long mail in > advance. > > Best regards es 73 > > OE3GHB > > Gerhard > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb07.mx.aol.com (rly-mb07.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.165]) by air-mb06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB063-d1a4b3729ac380; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 04:32:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB076-d1a4b3729ac380; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 04:32:29 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOpTG-0001Vo-V7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 09:31:30 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOpTG-0001Vf-44 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 09:31:30 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOpTE-0005qz-3M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 09:31:30 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 27 Dec 2009 09:31:21 -0000 Received: from p5DD35F1A.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.211.95.26] by mail.gmx.net (mp018) with SMTP; 27 Dec 2009 10:31:21 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+yXwtVHIuyD08dJ+fs28Y9ZIRdrs1uoi7OFeKzvm bZQxIXvRUmABaq Message-ID: <00a101ca86d7$5998fed0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <20091226.144128.11516.4.cw4ever4@juno.com> <007601ca86d3$2b3670d0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:31:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.46,0.45 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beacon & WSPR 2.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009D_01CA86DF.B8C7A0C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_009D_01CA86DF.B8C7A0C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit LF, Sorry,my last email (see also below) was not intended to be sent to the list, but to DF6MK. I would not post in German language on an anglophone reflector although I've noticed great tolerance on this list in this respect. Anyway,I've also noted the <...> decodes a few times while spotting WD2XSH/17 and was a bit surprised,too, but then correct decodes took place. It seems that WSPR2.0 still cannot write callsigns like WD2XSH/17 into the blue window in the upper right corner of the WSPR window. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Clemens Paul To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 10:01 AM Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beacon & WSPR 2.0 Hallo Werner, genau die zitierte Passage aus dem untenstehen Txt traf bei mir ein paar Mal auch zu. >It takes two, 2 minute transmissions to send >the full call, grid, and power. You may see decodes that look like > <...> followed by the grid and/or power. WSPR has not decoded the call >yet but only the second part of the complete message. With a marginal >signal and fades, this may be all you will get. I don't know how long it >stores the second half (or the first half) of the message to splice it 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert H Reif To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 8:41 PM Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beacon & WSPR 2.0 Hello, Graham, Rik, and All, Joe K1JT was kind enough to modify the WSPR program to accommodate our long calls with the /. It takes two, 2 minute transmissions to send the full call, grid, and power. You may see decodes that look like <...> followed by the grid and/or power. WSPR has not decoded the call yet but only the second part of the complete message. With a marginal signal and fades, this may be all you will get. I don't know how long it stores the second half (or the first half) of the message to splice it together. Joe also added the CW ID feature to version 2.0 which is required by our experimental license. He has been very supportive of our 600 meter efforts. The set up here is 100 watts to a wire, 35 ft inverted L with two top loading wires each about 100 ft long. I am really surprised (and pleased) to get across with this setup. I am inland from the coast and the path to Eu is over land till the path goes over salt water off the coast of New Brunswick, Canada. Want to raise the antenna a bit more and increase the top loading but that may not happen till spring now. 73 and Happy New Year. Bob WD2XSH/37 FN42fo On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:34:15 +0100 Rik Strobbe writes: > Graham, Rick, Bob, > > I guess that when the CW id of a WSPR station is audible there > should > be solid copy in WSPR. > But, as mentioned by Bob, WSPR 2.0 was used to transmit the unusual > > WD2XSH/37 callsign. I noticed that older version of WSPR do not copy > > this properly, even when the signal is strong. > I have been running WSPR2 and WSPR1.1 simultaniously for some days > > (the first spotting as ON7YD the other as OR7T) and noticed that > WD2XSH/37 produced all kinds of odd messages with WSPR1.1. WSPR2 > decodes OK. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting Graham : > > > Rick, > > > > Looks like wd2x .. was the station .. you can check what > stations are > > operating at : http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/spots > > > > 2009-12-24 03:38 WD2XSH/37 0.503912 -26 0 FN42fo 2 > ON7YD > > JO20ix 5615 52 > > > > G.. > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Rick Wakatori" <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> > > Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 10:39 AM > > To: > > Subject: LF: "WA" beacon received at 503kHz. > > > >> > >> Using WSPR, I heard "WA" beacon in CW or QRSS at around 503kHz. > >> The signal was visible on the screen during last night. > >> Please let me know the callsign and the QTH? > >> Rick > >> -- > >> -.. . --... .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-. > >> 7L1RLL under ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP) > >> URL=http://www1.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html > >> -..--- -.- .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-... ...-. > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=yi9iW2lTPi_FlJuAPbZNdQAAJ1D5rfaR-77IPsUFbn2LcZ2XAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. 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LF,
 
Sorry,my last email (see also be= low) was not=20 intended to be sent to the list, but to
DF6MK.
I would not post in German langu= age on an=20 anglophone reflector although
I've noticed great tolerance on this= list in this=20 respect. 
 
Anyway,I've also noted the  <...> decodes a few times= =20 while
spotting WD2XSH/17 and was a bit surprised,too,
but then correct decodes took place.
It seems that WSPR2.0 still cannot write callsigns like WD2XSH/17=  into=20 the
blue window in the upper right corner of the WSPR window.&nb= sp;
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 20= 09 10:01=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beacon= & WSPR=20 2.0

Hallo Werner,
 
genau die zitierte Passage aus dem= untenstehen=20 Txt traf bei mir
ein paar  Mal auch zu.<= /DIV>
 
 >It takes two, 2 minute transmissions to send
>t= he full=20 call, grid, and power.  You may see decodes  that look=20 like
>  <...> followed by the grid and/or power.&nb= sp; WSPR=20 has not decoded the call
>yet but only the second part of the= complete=20 message. With a marginal
>signal and fades, this may be all yo= u will=20 get.  I don't know how long it
>stores the second half (o= r the=20 first half) of the message to splice it
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rob= ert H Reif=20
Sent: Saturday, December 26= , 2009 8:41=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beaco= n & WSPR=20 2.0

Hello, Graham, Rik, and=20 All,
       Joe K1JT was kind eno= ugh to=20 modify the WSPR program to accommodate
our long calls with the= /. =20 It takes two, 2 minute transmissions to send
the full call, gri= d, and=20 power.  You may see decodes  that look like
<...&g= t;=20 followed by the grid and/or power.  WSPR has not decoded the= =20 call
yet but only the second part of the complete message. With= a=20 marginal
signal and fades, this may be all you will get. = I don't=20 know how long it
stores the second half (or the first half) of= the=20 message to splice it
together.  Joe also added the = CW ID=20 feature to version 2.0 which is
required by our experimental=20 license.  He has been very supportive of our
600 meter=20 efforts. 
     The set up here is 100= watts to=20 a  wire, 35 ft inverted L with two
top loading wires each= about 100=20 ft  long.  I am really surprised (and
pleased) to get= across=20 with this setup.  I am inland from the coast and
the path= to Eu is=20 over land till the path goes over salt water off the
coast of= New=20 Brunswick, Canada.  Want to raise the antenna a bit more=20 and
increase the top loading but that may not happen till sprin= g=20 now. 
     73 and Happy New Year.&nbs= p;=20 Bob  WD2XSH/37  FN42fo



On Sat, 26 Dec 20= 09=20 18:34:15 +0100 Rik Strobbe
<Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>=20 writes:
> Graham, Rick, Bob,
>
> I guess that= when the CW=20 id of a WSPR station is audible there
> should 
&g= t; be=20 solid copy in WSPR.
> But, as mentioned by Bob, WSPR 2.0 was= used to=20 transmit the unusual 
>
> WD2XSH/37 callsign.= I noticed=20 that older version of WSPR do not copy
> 
> thi= s=20 properly, even when the signal is strong.
> I have been runn= ing WSPR2=20 and WSPR1.1 simultaniously for some days 
>
>= (the first=20 spotting as ON7YD the other as OR7T) and noticed that 
&g= t;=20 WD2XSH/37 produced all kinds of odd messages with WSPR1.1. WSPR2&n= bsp;=20
> decodes OK.
>
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T>=20
> Quoting Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>:
>=20
> > Rick,
> >
> > Looks like  wd2= x=20 ..   was the  station .. you  can  check= what=20
> stations are
> > operating at :  http://wsprnet.org/d= rupal/wsprnet/spots
>=20 >
> > 2009-12-24 03:38   WD2XSH/37 &nbs= p;=20 0.503912   -26   0   FN42fo &nb= sp;=20 2  
> ON7YD
> > JO20ix  =20 5615   52
> >
> > G..
> >
= > >=20 --------------------------------------------------
> > Fr= om: "Rick=20 Wakatori" <7= l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp>
>=20 > Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 10:39 AM
> > To:= <rsgb_lf_gro= up@blacksheep.org>
>=20 > Subject: LF: "WA" beacon received at 503kHz.
> >
= >=20 >>
> >> Using WSPR, I heard "WA" beacon in CW or= QRSS at=20 around 503kHz.
> >> The signal was visible on the scre= en during=20 last night.
> >> Please let me know the callsign and= the=20 QTH?
> >> Rick
> >> --
> >> -.= . . =20 --...  .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-.
> >> 7L1RLL= under=20 ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP)
> >>=20 URL=3Dhttp://www1.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html
> >&= gt; -..---=20 -.- .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-... ...-.
> >>
>= =20 >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >>=20 >
>
>
>
>
>=20
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------=_NextPart_000_009D_01CA86DF.B8C7A0C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (rly-mb01.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.154]) by air-mb08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB084-ce54b1bd4e63aa; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:59:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB011-ce54b1bd4e63aa; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:59:35 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHJV8-00051m-NN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:58:22 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHJV8-00051d-4P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:58:22 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHJV6-0000lT-8y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:58:22 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 06 Dec 2009 15:58:13 -0000 Received: from p5DD352B5.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.211.82.181] by mail.gmx.net (mp037) with SMTP; 06 Dec 2009 16:58:13 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+PxtFdOOGPfgTocao0y08DciSAUMmUvXz7CxaxRq ulz8nvMbR10wVQ Message-ID: <007601ca768c$ea8c4240$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <1259777260.4b16acec27aa8@imp.netikka.net> <4B179D08.3030706@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 16:58:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.52 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: LF, reducing common-mode noise Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Peter, with the AIM 4170 you've got one of the best impedance measuring tools which are affordable for amateurs. I can this tell you from my own hands-on experience, also in comparison with a professional albeit vintage HP VNA from 100kHz to 110Mz. Meanwhile I'm using here also the "two port brother" of AIM,the VNA 2180. Regarding common mode "chokes",the AIM will show you, that when you use high cores (zinc-mangan), the "choke" converts to a more or less highly resistive impedance with a small capacitive reactance above its self-resonant frequency. The point is that this frequency is surprisingly low,often below 100kHz,of course strongly depending on the properties of the used ferrite mix and the number of turns. Generally one can distinguish between three types of common mode "chokes". 1.) "Chokes" made of lossy very high cores or beads which represent a resistive impedance from MW to 30MHz.Their advantage is that they are broadbanded due to their resisitive character and therefore have no series (or parallel which would not hurt) resonances in this frequency area. 2.)True chokes made of say 125 material.You can design them such that the self resonant frequency is at about 15MHz so that the impedance drops gradually to the lower (inductive) and higher (capacitive) end of the HF spectrum. 3.) Tuned "chokes" i.e. parallel resonant circuits.They offer the highest possible impedance but are confined to one band. So one can make his choice which solution fits best for the intended application. Anyway, the AIM always tells you over frequency what you are doing. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Dodd" To: Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 12:12 PM Subject: LF: LF, reducing common-mode noise >A couple of weeks ago I asked how can one measure the mu of ferrite > rings. I received very good information via this reflector for which I > would like to thank those who contributed. > I was experimenting with various common-mode chokes, particularly on how > to measure their characteristics using the AIM 4170. > I was advised that the capacitance of the measuring setup might make the > measurements invalid. I introduced various values of capacitance to > measure these effects and by extrapolation concluded that my measurement > method was acceptable. > Inserting large values of capacitance across the common mode choke > destroyed its characteristic as a choke and turned it into a selective > tuned circuit. This arrangement appears to reduce common-mode noise at > the frequency to which it is tuned but is only effective at that > frequency. The main advantage is that you don't need such large values > of inductance. > > Regards > > Peter, G3LDO > > > > > > Paul-Henrik wrote: >> Hello Stefan, LF >> >> I can not overemphasize the possible need to keep the feedline "clean" and free >> of RFI that may otherwise make it's way to any active whip antenna. >> >> My first attempts at deploying the PA0RDT Mini-Whip here were unsuccessful and >> disappointing due to the fact that some of the RFI I tried to avoid was >> conducted from the shack out to the antenna along the coax. This may among >> other things depend on what kind of radio the antenna is connected to. >> >> If in doubt, my advice is to use one common mode choke where the coax leaves the >> house and to ground the coax braid just behind it using an independent >> earth-stake and then further a second common-mode choke just before the >> feedline goes vertically up to the antenna. >> >> For common mode chokes I use large high-mu ferrite rings that can take 20 turns >> of RG-58 or up to 45 turns of RG-174 but smaller rings can be used with RG-174. >> There is a picture here of the first test-choke I used for tracking down my >> noise: http://peditio.net/utility/Attachments/choke_sml.jpg >> >> This may be "overkill" in most installations but I'm sure some users can gain >> from these extra measures just as I did. >> >> >> >> BR >> >> Paul-Henrik, OH1LSQ >> >> >> >> >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.709 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.90/2540 - Ausgabedatum: 12/02/09 08:33:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (rly-dc07.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.36]) by air-dc05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC054-b2e4b363b4b239; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:35:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC072-b2e4b363b4b239; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:35:25 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOZa4-0005XT-IW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 16:33:28 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOZa4-0005XK-2c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 16:33:28 +0000 Received: from mail-yw0-f190.google.com ([209.85.211.190]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOZa2-00057u-1l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 16:33:28 +0000 Received: by ywh28 with SMTP id 28so14015502ywh.16 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 08:33:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=O2qO4S53FY4eStBcbUZvNf/uRHbjczZ3QVE/BXrcykc=; b=l+hHYxe7KBDmaAcyr20oYT9E1W0Bjkn6TRVDX+thtOJA6yu2nFMKjuXLarDZ0ssHer rn+65tYBNyBuGxTakWRZdtgC9wWObwa1yPn9s+jUlVCk0nd1W46uBlDJtd2YX9m9HvN+ ZkfCuWYIDQU+EnyTjLd+6JeITSwDCa1AHwCYo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=S3IAbGGisuJy+Kpj+KZPA82HbvDFd/DSk0taqeP1+ksREBe1AptgGzPZHnbZN2GRva SoERVixKHBqjp9fpq4yY8kIftjPtLO3xtprVd4hCj+zk/G4qUuZyXq06GLTEWnNgTh1U vO2Jansagd61KnCKV8kHOvI1oxRm9T1/sC5hM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.213.18 with SMTP id l18mr20277860ybg.183.1261845199904; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 08:33:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6EFC885C8DAB4DC3A8454505BAF5D3A7@ns94d01ae4d850> References: <6EFC885C8DAB4DC3A8454505BAF5D3A7@ns94d01ae4d850> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:33:19 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca70912260833m32749cbfhf332f44817cb0ddc@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 26-12.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d276.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Thank you Henny, --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2009/12/26 henny van elst : > Hello Warren,LF > Capture XGJ=A0=A0 22:45 -=A008:45 loc.time > Henny cpm > best 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > XGJ 26-12.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virusse= n > het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. > Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten= hoe > bijlagen worden afgehandeld. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf03.mx.aol.com (rly-mf03.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.173]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF081-94f4b33c7471db; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 14:56:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF035-94f4b33c7471db; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 14:55:53 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNtlY-0000oN-Fx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:54:32 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNtlY-0000oE-3b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:54:32 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNtlW-0003oi-4y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:54:32 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsQEAB5WM0tOlC+4/2dsb2JhbACNVwbHaoQzBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,451,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="379314966" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.148.47.184]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2009 19:54:22 +0000 Message-ID: <001201ca84d2$e151bf30$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:54:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: OH1TN Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA84D2.E0B6DEC0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA84D2.E0B6DEC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In the beginning I worked OH1TN on CW all the time on 137 kcs. Now ton= ite he is active on QRS and he cannot copy me with the same pwr as bef= ore when using CW.=20 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA84D2.E0B6DEC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In the beginning I worked OH1TN on CW= all the time=20 on 137 kcs. Now tonite he is active on QRS and he cannot copy me with= the same=20 pwr as before when using CW.
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------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA84D2.E0B6DEC0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb08.mx.aol.com (rly-mb08.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.166]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB054-d234b1f5c1b1bb; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 03:13:39 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB087-d234b1f5c1b1bb; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 03:13:22 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIHek-0008UZ-NN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:12:18 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIHek-0008UP-6K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:12:18 +0000 Received: from sighthound.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.126]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIHei-0005id-Ed for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:12:18 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.4] (rx1.twatt.home [192.168.1.4]) by deerhound.twatt.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D5B3B4C7 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:12:13 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4B1F5BDD.1070209@sighthound.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:12:13 +0000 From: John P-G User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001e01ca7824$2a1fbfc0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <001e01ca7824$2a1fbfc0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Beacons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) mal hamilton wrote: > Several beacons observed at present 1600 utc, one strange one is WC WC http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/reu/index.php?mode=signal_info&ID=9485 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc12.mx.aol.com (rly-mc12.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.96]) by air-mc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC041-dab4b36705a2f1; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ok Bob And there was I thinking wspr was making false decodes .. yes I have seen the <....> I thought that was part of the wspr qso mode ....I have decoded the full tx a few times .. so dose that mean I have captured -two- transmissions from you ? I would think (based on past experience) that it would of been better to go the other way with a shorter tx pulse containing all the data as the 30 second in and 120 second out qsb times are not idea for wspr at the best of times ? Interesting Ae .. that layout is similar to my set up, but my top wires are 60 feet shorter, but with a loading coil at the top of the vertical section >> http://uk500khz.googlegroups.com/web/Coke%20coil%20%3A-%29 << Q what is the rx set up ? 73 - G.. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert H Reif" Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 7:41 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beacon & WSPR 2.0 > > Hello, Graham, Rik, and All, > Joe K1JT was kind enough to modify the WSPR program to accommodate > our long calls with the /. It takes two, 2 minute transmissions to send > the full call, grid, and power. You may see decodes that look like > <...> followed by the grid and/or power. WSPR has not decoded the call > yet but only the second part of the complete message. With a marginal > signal and fades, this may be all you will get. I don't know how long it > stores the second half (or the first half) of the message to splice it > together. Joe also added the CW ID feature to version 2.0 which is > required by our experimental license. He has been very supportive of our > 600 meter efforts. > The set up here is 100 watts to a wire, 35 ft inverted L with two > top loading wires each about 100 ft long. I am really surprised (and > pleased) to get across with this setup. I am inland from the coast and > the path to Eu is over land till the path goes over salt water off the > coast of New Brunswick, Canada. Want to raise the antenna a bit more and > increase the top loading but that may not happen till spring now. > 73 and Happy New Year. Bob WD2XSH/37 FN42fo > > > > On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:34:15 +0100 Rik Strobbe > writes: >> Graham, Rick, Bob, >> >> I guess that when the CW id of a WSPR station is audible there >> should >> be solid copy in WSPR. >> But, as mentioned by Bob, WSPR 2.0 was used to transmit the unusual >> >> WD2XSH/37 callsign. I noticed that older version of WSPR do not copy >> >> this properly, even when the signal is strong. >> I have been running WSPR2 and WSPR1.1 simultaniously for some days >> >> (the first spotting as ON7YD the other as OR7T) and noticed that >> WD2XSH/37 produced all kinds of odd messages with WSPR1.1. WSPR2 >> decodes OK. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> Quoting Graham : >> >> > Rick, >> > >> > Looks like wd2x .. was the station .. you can check what >> stations are >> > operating at : http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/spots >> > >> > 2009-12-24 03:38 WD2XSH/37 0.503912 -26 0 FN42fo 2 >> ON7YD >> > JO20ix 5615 52 >> > >> > G.. >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------- >> > From: "Rick Wakatori" <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> >> > Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 10:39 AM >> > To: >> > Subject: LF: "WA" beacon received at 503kHz. >> > >> >> >> >> Using WSPR, I heard "WA" beacon in CW or QRSS at around 503kHz. >> >> The signal was visible on the screen during last night. >> >> Please let me know the callsign and the QTH? >> >> Rick >> >> -- >> >> -.. . --... .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-. >> >> 7L1RLL under ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP) >> >> URL=http://www1.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html >> >> -..--- -.- .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-... ...-. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> > ____________________________________________________________ > Weight Loss Program > Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=yi9iW2lTPi_FlJuAPbZNdQAAJ1D5rfaR-77IPsUFbn2LcZ2XAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD021-9204b33b6cb26a; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:45:37 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD088-9204b33b6cb26a; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:45:33 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNsg2-0000YD-4k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:44:46 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNsg1-0000Y4-OS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:44:45 +0000 Received: from mail-yx0-f203.google.com ([209.85.210.203]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNsg0-0003Ut-MG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:44:45 +0000 Received: by yxe41 with SMTP id 41so27786145yxe.30 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:44:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=SFRLZpOmF4+kYcSjfv+XsjrJXcbXKAc2LoA2vUNFS4k=; b=C0tL5d+CHYJrB05IrkpehmqF88X03azzA6DZmWC0OHNAmJSKgdGEcs8GhJdw67TRnk pgnrJlKGe7mLJR/xPd3nf5B7lJ/Tg7syTKUDBb/cCbuS86BAQDt7+vsECzvVhYI1oqRS tu7lqhyPeFCE+m3cC38mEZvTYDbFNPVly3tKg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=N4fCPeVFKVzhxSxr8NSU6GiHWNWU3YFL5RuajXdrnReZwjkf8V82XdtbTKrt4VYTAM qfDDjc85SRjSTigXmHmkHGRF13OcFWm4IMbBvAxUNoE7hnVlmHlYuOBrsu/eYl8Qj7If pbeI24tNIV9c4zhWKNG/L96IlvuDA8ZSeglJ8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.118.37 with SMTP id q37mr16937496ybc.322.1261680276049; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:44:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4C88B57B7396460391EA789B5C0CEAAC@ns94d01ae4d850> References: <4C88B57B7396460391EA789B5C0CEAAC@ns94d01ae4d850> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:44:36 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca70912241044r729085a5mdffcafda460e85bc@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 24-12.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d281.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Henny, Many thanks for the capture! Merry Christmas! -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2009/12/24 henny van elst : > Hi Warren,LF > Nice capture XGJ > Henny cpm > best 73 > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > XGJ 24-12.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen > het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. > Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe > bijlagen worden afgehandeld. -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db01.mx.aol.com (rly-db01.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.76]) by air-db03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB033-aa84b29f3b2318; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 04:02:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB016-aa84b29f3b2318; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 04:02:44 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLCCF-0000rd-Hn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:58:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLCCF-0000rU-5N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:58:55 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate04.web.de ([217.72.192.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLCET-0002cA-D4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:01:15 +0000 Received: from web.de by fmmailgate04.web.de (Postfix) with SMTP id EEE686238910 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:01:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from [88.76.49.138] by freemailng2505.web.de with HTTP; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:01:34 +0100 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:01:34 +0100 Message-Id: <1542517694@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?iso-8859-15?Q?Horst_St=F6cker?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-Provags-Id: V01U2FsdGVkX19XgKnmCbBESNhH8ti74xCkCnhlDuJ6fq0eGpgSfJVE3p1oK ixYJ+L6FB6mWjgBMrTfrRxYgCcRE+3Hd1oKoRLMWpVtHUCWW3ASQ7gQ41+0a Q== X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) In theory it's a good Idea which I had some weeks before without working= it out. Years before I also have made tests with FTA (free to air) optical transmi= ssions with a DL2CH-Transceiver and a TRX-Kit by Aatis which is quite much= simpler. Even with that it was no problem to link between two points about a few me= ters. In this case you should think about an IR-LED. Unfortunately, the Aatis re= ceiver has a photo transistor instead of a diode. But it should be no grea= t deal to modify that. The problems with FTA optic transmission for this application are imho: - You have to be sure, that no one can be injured by the laser beam, espec= ially at unattended operation. - Think about how many hours/the beam has it's full power before becoming= much weaker. - The optics must be kept clean. This could be a problem if the units are= out of reach. - The units have to be mounted absolutely stable. For Example, on a swingi= ng fibre rod you'll never bring a laser beam exactly to the rx area. I bet, (FTA) optical transmission just changes one problem with a few othe= rs. But the transmission with optical cable seems interesting. What type of cable do you suggest? I do not think, my TOS-Link cable would= stand weather/UV and mechanical conditions outside for a long time. Horst DO1KHS ___________________________________________________________ Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.!=20 http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de07.mx.aol.com (rly-de07.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.143]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE043-4ec4b19b52ca7; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 20:19:59 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE075-4ec4b19b52ca7; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 20:19:41 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGjIJ-0003z0-7Q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 01:18:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGjII-0003yr-JR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 01:18:42 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGjIH-0000C4-Rj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 01:18:42 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 05 Dec 2009 01:18:35 -0000 Received: from p5DC43D4D.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.196.61.77] by mail.gmx.net (mp071) with SMTP; 05 Dec 2009 02:18:35 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/Myzt9BqbMd7KsPxEI9oxPkQs33sBkbizDrMpikR /wqTZjk6ke0SO+ Message-ID: <00aa01ca7548$de12ce70$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <59DC6AF25071476FA37B42E3896BC627@radiorummet> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 02:17:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.57,0.57 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0094_01CA7551.0C10AA60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=BEEN_TURNED_DOWN,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0094_01CA7551.0C10AA60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi GUs, see below: 2118 8 0.4 136.151499 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2138 9 0.6 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2144 8 0.7 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2218 7 0.6 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2222 8 0.7 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2226 9 0.8 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 As my internert connection has been broken during the last hours no data upload has taken place. Probably a few loggings are missing because I had to use my dipole for receiving whis is periodically disturbed when our heater is is on. My K9AY has been turned down this late afternoon by our three months old labrador 'Luke'. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Gus To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:55 PM Subject: LF: WSPR on 137 kHz Hello LF-group, this evening i will transmit, WSPR on 137.650 kHz 136.150 kHz dial. Power abt 50 mW ERP. Transmitter start at 16:00 GMT All reports are welcome. You can also log on, www.sm6bhz.com 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.709 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.93/2544 - Ausgabedatum: 12/04/09 08:32:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0094_01CA7551.0C10AA60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi GUs,
 
see below:
 
2118   8  0.4 136.1514= 99  0=20 SM6BHZ JO57 17
2138   9  0.6 136.151500  0 SM6B= HZ JO57=20 17
2144   8  0.7 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ JO57=20 17
2218   7  0.6 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ JO57=20 17
2222   8  0.7 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ JO57=20 17
2226   9  0.8 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ JO57=20 17
 
As my internert connection has been= =20 broken during the last hours no data upload
has taken place.
Probably a few loggings are missing= because=20 I had to use my dipole for
receiving whis is periodically distur= bed when=20 our heater is is on.
My K9AY has been turned down this lat= e afternoon by=20 our three months old
labrador 'Luke'.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
 
 
 
 
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gus=
Sent: Friday, December 04, 20= 09 4:55=20 PM
Subject: LF: WSPR on 137 kHz<= /DIV>

Hello=20 LF-group,
this=20 evening i will transmit, WSPR on 137.650 kHz 136.150 kHz dial. Power abt 50 mW ERP.=
= Transmitter=20 start at 16:00 GMT
All=20 reports are welcome.
You can also log on,=20
 
73= de Gus=20 SM6BHZ


Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei.
Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft= - www.avg.de
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F5VLF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da09.mx.aol.com (rly-da09.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.83]) by air-da05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA054-a904b27fde6367; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:22:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA098-a904b27fde6367; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:21:43 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKemr-0001ti-Fz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:18:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKemr-0001tZ-3u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:18:29 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKeoN-0008R7-2M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:20:05 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3507.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D903D70000CF for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:20:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3507.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id CC42170000E2 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:20:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.58.216]) by mwinf3507.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 33BC470000CF for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:20:09 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20091215212009212.33BC470000CF@mwinf3507.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <28E30F96FE754DB5B117179FDF03920A@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:19:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007F_01CA7DCC.54D16590" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01CA7DCC.54D16590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is Gus running 3 watts to the Ae or 3 watts ERP ? G ..=20 From: Anton B=E4rtschi=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 7:13 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9 The SM6BHZ Beacon on 600m is 579 here tonight. Not bad for 3W.=20 Why WSPR when CW works fine? What a wonderfull band! 73 de Toni, HB9ASB ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01CA7DCC.54D16590 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is Gus  running  3 watts&nb= sp; to=20 the  Ae or  3 watts  ERP ?
 
G ..

Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 7:13 PM
Subject: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9

The SM6BHZ Beacon on 600m is 579 here tonight. Not bad= for 3W.=20
Why WSPR when CW works fine? What a wonderfull band!
73 de Toni= ,=20 HB9ASB


------=_NextPart_000_007F_01CA7DCC.54D16590-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da08.mx.aol.com (rly-da08.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.82]) by air-da05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA054-a854b20c888265; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:08:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA085-a854b20c888265; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:08:09 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIfvT-000134-Ld for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:07:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIfvT-00012v-8E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:07:11 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIfvS-0001jq-JS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:07:11 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37A3B7B802A for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:07:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32DEC31E703 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:07:00 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:07:22 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20091210100700.32DEC31E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AW: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Stefan, there is one good reason to limit the output=20 power 100W: more power could become lethal (high antenna voltages / curren= ts). The "black box operators" must be protected=20 against this danger, otherwise they might go QRT due to "natural selection= " :-) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 10:19 10/12/2009, you wrote: >Warren, LF, >Tnx for the info! >I am not "afraid" that now many OMs come on the=20 >band who just bought their rig, like on HF. Even=20 >if you could buy a loading coil, you never will=20 >get qrv satisfactorily cause you always have to=20 >consider many things like the earth, the local=20 >noise reduction, the impedance transformation to 50 Ohm and so on. >These OMs, even if they could buy a automatic=20 >tuner (that would not be easy to create as a=20 >commercial product) for LF, would be frustrated=20 >soon cause there are no contests and no 100s of=20 >stns calling on the band ;-) They would say "LF=20 >is dead, just nerving qrm" and would never get=20 >the fascination that we all experience. >Finally I don't understand why this PA has just=20 >100W. To reach 1W ERP, most LFers have to apply=20 >1kW and more, so 100W is QRP on LF ;-). 1kW can=20 >easily be reached on LF without using expensive=20 >special transistors and drivers and ferrite=20 >cores. E.g. with one simple IRFP360 we can built=20 >a 1kW high efficiency calss d or e PA that costs not even 50=80... >These difficulties to get qrv is one part of the=20 >LF hobby and if they are solved, one can be glad=20 >even without doing 100s of qsos in one evening :-) > >Stefan / DK7FC >-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Warren Ziegler >Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. Dezember 2009 16:30 >An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Betreff: LF: TX-2200A > >Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 >Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver >muting. >Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! > >http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf > > > >73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da05.mx.aol.com (rly-da05.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.79]) by air-da04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA042-a6a4b1c1df41e4; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 16:11:57 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA052-a6a4b1c1df41e4; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 16:11:17 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHON1-0006N5-Iw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:10:19 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHON0-0006Mw-Ij for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:10:18 +0000 Received: from mout7.freenet.de ([195.4.92.97]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHOMz-0002SB-Es for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:10:18 +0000 Received: from [195.4.92.20] (helo=10.mx.freenet.de) by mout7.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.70 #1) id 1NHOMy-0001q3-Pf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:10:16 +0100 Received: from p57af0460.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([87.175.4.96]:1298 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 10.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #94) id 1NHOMx-0002hc-FA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:10:16 +0100 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: References: <42030EE58BDD4FA78C88635B91BDFB78@2a2d7ed321c6425> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 22:10:13 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: Acp2sT0bWo0OTHAdQb6QzaMBNemEewABw6Ig X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: AW: Re: Unser QSO auf 137,7 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0047_01CA76C0.E2EC0F00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01CA76C0.E2EC0F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hallo Toni, =20 besten Dank f=FCr Deine Best=E4tigung! Und auch nochmals besten dank f=FCr das usb QSO. =20 Hpe cuagn und vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D =20 =20 _____ =20 Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Anton B=E4r= tschi Gesendet: Sonntag, 6. Dezember 2009 21:16 An: Beckmann, Gerhard; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: Re: Unser QSO auf 137,7 =20 Hallo Gerhard Sorry f=FCr die versp=E4tete Antwort, alle deine Posts sind in meinem Spam-Ordner gelandet. Unser QSO hat wunderbar geklappt und du bist in meinem Log. Dein Signa= l war gut lesbar, absolut "O"!=20 Meine Antenne ist etwa gleich, nur die Leistung h=F6her: 500W bis 1KW= je nach Anpassung. Vielen Dank f=FCr das QSO und 73 aus der Westschweiz de Toni HB9ASB in JN36NU Anton B=E4rtschi Les fermes 24 1792 Cordast Schweiz 2009/12/3 Beckmann, Gerhard =20 Hallo Toni, =20 =85falls die Mail nicht durchgekommen war=85. =20 Besten Dank f=FCr ein kurzes Lebenszeichen. =20 vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D =20 =20 _____ =20 Von: Beckmann, Gerhard [mailto:beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de]=20 Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Dezember 2009 22:01 An: 'Beckmann, Gerhard'; 'Anton B=E4rtschi' Betreff: AW: Unser QSO auf 137,7 =20 Hallo Toni, =20 nur eine kurze Frage: Hattest Du mein Signal lesen k=F6nnen oder war es eine Verwechslung meinerseits? =20 Besten Dank + vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 =20 =20 _____ =20 Von: Beckmann, Gerhard [mailto:beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de]=20 Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. November 2009 23:06 An: 'Anton B=E4rtschi' Betreff: Unser QSO auf 137,7 =20 Hallo Toni, =20 besten Dank f=FCr das ufb QSO auf 137,72 in QRSS3! Mein Rig: TX: Ropex mit ca. 100 Watt. RX: TS 440 S Antenne: endgespeister Draht mit 40 Meter L=E4nge und ca. 10 Meter H= =F6he. (sehr schlechte l=F6sung f=FCr LF ---hi--) =20 vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI =20 =3D=3D=3D =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01CA76C0.E2EC0F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hallo Toni,

 

besten Dank f= =FCr Deine Best=E4tigung!

Und auch nochm= als besten dank f=FCr das usb QSO.

 

Hpe cuagn und= vy 73 de Gerhard=A0 //=A0 DK6NI

 

=3D=3D=3D=3D

 

 <= o:p>

Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] Im Auftrag von Anton B=E4rtschi
Gesendet: Sonntag, 6.= Dezember 2009 21:16
An: Beckmann, Gerhard; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: LF: Re: Unser= QSO auf 137,7

 

Hallo Gerhard
Sorry f=FCr die versp=E4tete Antwort, alle deine Posts sind in meinem= Spam-Ordner gelandet.
Unser QSO hat wunderbar geklappt und du bist in meinem Log. Dein Signa= l war gut lesbar, absolut "O"!
Meine Antenne ist etwa gleich, nur die Leistung h=F6her: 500W bis 1KW= je nach Anpassung.
Vielen Dank f=FCr das QSO und 73 aus der Westschweiz
de Toni HB9ASB in JN36NU

Anton B=E4rtschi
Les fermes 24
1792 Cordast
Schweiz

2009/12/3 Beckmann, Gerhard <beckmann.erlang= en@freenet.de>

 

Hallo Toni,

 

…falls die Mail= nicht durchgekommen war….

 

Besten Dank f=FCr ein= kurzes Lebenszeichen.

 

vy 73 de Gerhard = // DK6NI

 

=3D=3D=3D=3D

 

 

Von: Beckmann, Gerhard [mailto:beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 1.= Dezember 2009 22:01
An: 'Beckmann, Gerhard'= ; 'Anton B=E4rtschi'
Betreff: AW: Unser QSO= auf 137,7

 

Hallo Toni,

 

nur eine kurze Frage:<= /span>

Hattest Du mein Signal= lesen k=F6nnen oder war es eine Verwechslung meinerseits?

 

Besten Dank + vy 73 de= Gerhard  //  DK6NI

 

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

 

 

Von: Beckmann, Gerhard [mailto:beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 29.= November 2009 23:06
An: 'Anton B=E4rtschi'<= br> Betreff: Unser QSO auf= 137,7

 

<= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family: Arial'>Hallo Toni,

 

besten Dank f=FCr das ufb QSO auf 137,72 in QRSS3!

Mein Rig:

TX:<= /font> Ropex mit ca. 100 Watt.

RX: TS 440 S

Antenne:= endgespeister Draht mit 40 Meter L=E4nge und ca. 10 Meter H=F6he.

        =       (sehr schlechte l=F6sung f=FCr LF ---hi--)

 

vy 73 de Gerhard  //  DK6NI

 

=3D=3D=3D

 

 

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0047_01CA76C0.E2EC0F00-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da05.mx.aol.com (rly-da05.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.79]) by air-da04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA043-a6b4b2969f434a; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:15:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA053-a6b4b2969f434a; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:15:01 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NL31m-00034s-VF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:11:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NL31m-00034j-IA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:11:30 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NL33n-0008FU-Pg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:13:38 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBGNDu2l018567 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:13:56 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:13:56 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:13:58 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB6@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <4B29567F.9080106@usa.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: DD7PC, tnx for test Thread-Index: Acp+moVsvmm5lwgCRlWlM6CKcmX/rwAClqgg From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.626;16.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.16.230319 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA7EA5.70B619F3" Subject: LF: DD7PC, tnx for test X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7EA5.70B619F3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01CA7EA5.70B619F3" ------_=_NextPart_002_01CA7EA5.70B619F3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tnx Marco, my first QRSS3 (RX) contact out of the noisy city... Seems to= be promising... =20 73, Stefan ------_=_NextPart_002_01CA7EA5.70B619F3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= Tnx Marco, my fi= rst QRSS3 (RX) contact out of the noisy city… Seems to be promising…

 

73, Stef= an

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(envelope-from ) id 1NKJgZ-0006Kk-3a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:46:37 +0000 Received: from [213.174.255.39] by mx01.infotech.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKJgY-00072y-2J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:46:34 +0100 Message-ID: <4B26C035.5070504@inext.at> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:46:13 +0100 From: Oberreiter Oswald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <20091210100700.32DEC31E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <1260444821.6353.65.camel@vaio3rd> <1260449921.6353.77.camel@vaio3rd> <200912141851290399.0E3514C6@smtp2.numeo.fr> <4B26B383.8010500@mail.ru> In-Reply-To: <4B26B383.8010500@mail.ru> X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_08=2.435,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: oe5odl in BY Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010905080307000107020003" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_BODY,UPPERCASE_25_50,WEIRD_QUOTING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --------------010905080307000107020003 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi Dimitry also 25 min later a few tracts are visible i think its curious 73 ossi oe5odl Dmitry schrieb: > Hi LF > > Possible OE5ODL on BY3A grabber > > Dmitry > RA3YO > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 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 also 25  min later a few  tracts are visible i think its curious
73 ossi oe5odl
Dmitry schrieb:
Hi LF

Possible OE5ODL on BY3A grabber

Dmitry
RA3YO


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In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Importance: Normal DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA7E96.70EACA30" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA7E96.70EACA30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, Stefan. This is very interesting. I have a MiniWhip on a pole some distance from the house, and it seems that most of the interference (ADSL hash) seems to be re-radiated by the coax outer and picked up by the antenna. A relatively short optical link of one or two metres may still reduce the pick-up, as it would break the "copper" connection to the antenna. Alternatively, it might be possible to transvert the amplified LF signal up to a vhf frequency and then set up a remote RX some distance away. You could switch the power on and off by using a pressure switch from a discarded washing machine connected to the shack by a lenght of 6mm plastic tubing. Apply slight positive pressure to turn on the antenna circuitry! 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E. England. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Stefan Schfer Sent: 16 December 2009 16:51 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Dear Lowfers, I want to start a new subject (for me it's new)... The last weeks I still had RX problems, either with the tx antenna or with the short E-flied RX antenna. I found out that the noise was/is generated by my notebook which made RXing difficult, even in regions without any else local QRM (what could almost bring me to shut down the PC and just do nice and easy CW QSOs without anything else! (but most traffic is in QRSS...)). Then I have done mni tests with many many ferrite cores (that I found in an older emc lab in our institute), e.g. 20x FT50-77 plus 20x FT50-43 plus 20x FT50-61 and e few others. I placed them all in series, partly in the near of the preamp and/or in the near of the RX. Sure, there was a significant reduction of noise but lastly the noise remains. Accidentally, during a test with my VFO connected to the same 12V supply of my preamp, I observed a strong line in the argo monitor EVEN without an antenna (short wire) connected to the VFO and when turned the amplitude to zero! That meant for me, the VFO and its supply is not suppressed enough and so some RF comes to the preamp by the coax and supply line! (the preamp is supplied by a battery). I thought, I can use this (normally unwanted) coupling path to test the blocking capability of the ferrite cores and so I tried it with all variations and later with an additional BIG ferrite core and many turns of RG174. As I meant, surely there is a significant noise reduction but the line in argo was still well visible! What I have done then (since 4 days) is using a coupling link by an optic transmission of the 137kHz signal between the preamp and my RX using a SFH750V as the TX Diode and a SFH350 as the RX and abt 20m of a fiber optic cable (yes, there are surely more suited components but these were available in the moment). These are also used as optic links into high end audio systems and therefore easy to get... Now, when placing the preamp on the same place then during the tests before and just changing the coax by the fiber optic cable, the line by the VFO was completely gone!! Just with an antenna connected to the VFO and high amplitude (and thus e real near-field connection) it came back. The overall noise level decreased to its absolute minimum during all the tests. Before I used this optic cable the only signal that could be received (out of the city with much much qrm) was DCF39 and DLF and so on. Now, DCF39 came out with much better SNR and I saw the first LF Stn at all, it was Ossi / OE5ODL transmitting his 5s in the evening (tnx! very nice SNR in QRSS3 mode). My conclusion is, that the qrm is always brought to the very sensitive E-field antenna by the coax, even when doing many usual suppression methods cause there always remains a residual coupling impedance between both sides of the cable. Furthermore a long coax cable, say 20m away from the shack carries some qrm to the near of the rx antenna so the effective distance to the shack is always reduced. One small disadvantage of this method is the need for a battery supply. My TX diode needs abt 20mA and is now working since 3 days with a 7AH Lead Acid battery. In the future I plan to use a stereo optic cable. Then, one could switch the preamp on and off by the seconds line doing it the opposite way. So, smaller batteries could be used, which is necessary when mounting the preamp to a shaky fiber mast if one does not want to change the batteries each few hours ;-) Signal distortion seems to be no problem, as I can confirm until now. Now, my K2 has an optical LF input! ;-) Perhaps this will give some ideas to the local qrm bothered stns who tried everything with ferrite cores, isolating transformers and so on without a satisfying result. NOTE: I do not know if anyone has tried this before and has written a publication about that. My goal is not to be the hero in inventions, to become popular and especially not to compete with anyone (like it seems to be usual in career/job to be the one who gets the pay rise) but just to share my ideas to those who are interested to try something new (?). I do not say that my solution is the best at all and so on! But, if it will help only one Lowfer getting new ideas and improving his station, and if this improvement results in more activity on the band, then it would have helped all of us! 73s es 55 de Stefan / DK7FC ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA7E96.70EACA30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,=20 Stefan.
 
This=20 is very interesting. I have a MiniWhip on a pole some distance from th= e house,=20 and it seems that most of the interference (ADSL hash) seems to be re-= radiated=20 by the coax outer and picked up by the antenna.
 
A=20 relatively short optical link of one or two metres may still reduce th= e pick-up,=20 as it would break the "copper" connection to the antenna.
 
Alternatively, it might be possible to transvert the amp= lified LF signal=20 up to a vhf frequency and then set up a remote RX some distance=20 away.
 
You=20 could switch the power on and off by using a pressure switch from a di= scarded=20 washing machine connected to the shack by a lenght of 6mm plastic= tubing.=20 Apply slight positive pressure to turn on the antenna=20 circuitry!
 
73,=20 Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E. England. 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Stefa= n=20 Sch=E4fer
Sent: 16 December 2009 16:51
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Noise cancelling= by using=20 optic transmission of RX signals

Dear Lowfe= rs,

I want to=20 start a new subject (for me it's new)...

The last=20 weeks I still had RX problems, either with the tx antenna or with th= e short=20 E-flied RX antenna.

I found=20 out that the noise was/is generated by my notebook which made RXing= difficult,=20 even in regions without any else local QRM (what could almost bring= me to shut=20 down the PC and just do nice and easy CW QSOs without anything else!= (but most=20 traffic is in QRSS...)).

Then I=20 have done mni tests with many many ferrite cores (that I found in an= older emc=20 lab in our institute), e.g. 20x FT50-77 plus 20x FT50-43 plus 20x FT= 50-61 and=20 e few others. I placed them all in series, partly in the near of the= preamp=20 and/or in the near of the RX. Sure, there was a significant reductio= n of noise=20 but lastly the noise remains.

Accidentally, during=20 a test with my VFO connected to the same 12V supply of my preamp, I= observed a=20 strong line in the argo monitor EVEN without an antenna (short wire)= connected=20 to the VFO and when turned the amplitude to zero! That meant for me,= the VFO=20 and its supply is not suppressed enough and so some RF comes to the= preamp by=20 the coax and supply line! (the preamp is supplied by a battery). I= thought, I=20 can use this (normally unwanted) coupling path to test the blocking= capability=20 of the ferrite cores and so I tried it with all variations and later= with an=20 additional BIG ferrite core and many turns of RG174. As I meant, sur= ely there=20 is a significant noise reduction but the line in argo was still well= =20 visible!

What I=20 have done then (since 4 days) is using a coupling link by an optic= =20 transmission of the 137kHz signal between the preamp and my RX using= a SFH750V=20 as the TX Diode and a SFH350=20 as the RX and abt 20m of a fiber optic cable (yes, there are surely= more=20 suited components but these were available in the moment). These are= also used=20 as optic links into high end audio systems and therefore easy to=20 get...

Now, when=20 placing the preamp on the same place then during the tests before an= d just=20 changing the coax by the fiber optic cable, the line by the VFO was= completely=20 gone!! Just with an antenna connected to the VFO and high amplitude= (and thus=20 e real near-field =93connection=94) it came back. The overall noise= level=20 decreased to its absolute minimum during all the tests.

Before I=20 used this optic cable the only signal that could be received (out of= the city=20 with much much qrm) was DCF39 and DLF and so on. Now, DCF39 came out= with much=20 better SNR and I saw the first LF Stn at all, it was Ossi / OE5ODL= =20 transmitting his 5s in the evening (tnx! very nice SNR in QRSS3=20 mode).

My=20 conclusion is, that the qrm is always brought to the very sensitive= E-field=20 antenna by the coax, even when doing many usual suppression methods= cause=20 there always remains a residual coupling impedance between both side= s of the=20 cable. Furthermore a long coax cable, say 20m away from the shack ca= rries some=20 qrm to the near of the rx antenna so the effective distance to the= shack is=20 always reduced.

One small=20 disadvantage of this method is the need for a battery supply. My TX= diode=20 needs abt 20mA and is now working since 3 days with a 7AH Lead Acid= battery.=20 In the future I plan to use a stereo optic cable. Then, one could sw= itch the=20 preamp on and off by the seconds line doing it the opposite way. So,= smaller=20 batteries could be used, which is necessary when mounting the preamp= to a=20 shaky fiber mast if one does not want to change the batteries each= few hours=20 ;-)

Signal=20 distortion seems to be no problem, as I can confirm until=20 now.

Now, my=20 K2 has an optical LF input! ;-)<= /P>

Perhaps=20 this will give some ideas to the local qrm bothered stns who tried= everything=20 with ferrite cores, isolating transformers and so on without a satis= fying=20 result.

NOTE:= = I do not know if anyone has=20 tried this before and has written a publication about that. My goal= is=20 not to be the hero= in=20 inventions, to become popular and especially not to compete with anyone (like it seems= =20 to be usual in career/job to be the one who gets the pay rise) but= just to=20 share my ideas to those who are interested to try something new (?).= I do not=20 say that my solution is the best at all and so on! But, if it will= help only=20 one Lowfer getting new ideas and improving his station, and if this= =20 improvement results in more activity on the band, then it would have= helped=20 all of us!

 

 

73s es 55=20 de Stefan / DK7FC

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA7E96.70EACA30-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (rly-dg02.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.86]) by air-dg03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG033-5ad4b2cc7927e; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 07:31:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG028-5ad4b2cc7927e; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 07:31:15 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLyNb-0001Ux-PX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:25:51 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLyNb-0001Uo-8f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:25:51 +0000 Received: from smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.17]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLyRV-0003xz-8S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:29:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 63452 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2009 12:29:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=vYgYvIUEALoy8Os6z7cjCTAvVciJzA2OWS5wisld2qS1gmWNqcM6o+uUs7qZB1dPF9+tS14YkMUGgJGXJVW10hp12zm3uvnrAZZ0iaAJZRri7mY6PwjOP1gqM24/m33WQqpHQifXB2se6aEBuveQ4oGH8GFfnY42m3hUUPb6a5Y= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.179.135.6 with login) by smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2009 12:29:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: rl18iCYVM1mnBRjjl3JiZ_kyWPo5YbCd.lTrvKDAM_u0PkEwggfVNYV2FxQMCx7zgi23Z6sTpmznHIjWpQjzKBavuk79DNQH1bYpC2hVS9Nh4iof55lPpYKc2DrkGbVUwlO6elAs2yC2_Ufz90yxolzgJj9tF0B9SJnBNbovqbPK3kw9JPcBM3wHufRJu6ublYvpSTP.G3Oed.NEs2G1xrpecBdFiUUL1CUh40YbB2M2pQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <346854e9698cbf94f4483c66682bb63b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:29:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Andy, Roelof, LF Group, PA0RDT wrote: >> Have you tried to mount it on a four metre high non metallic pole? >> It probably is still inside the noise field of the building, which drops >> off within a few metres. G4JNT wrote: > That wouldn't make any difference. The mount to the metal frame was > non contact, and the outer of the coax forming the counterpoise will > always be the interference injection point as teh rubbish is being > picke dup on th ecoax outer as it feeds its way thuorgh the ducting to > the outside world. Putting the active whip on a mast might not reduce the noise level, if this was mainly due to the noise voltage induced on the coax feeder. But increasing the height of the whip above the local ground plane should increase the signal voltage induced on the whip, so the SNR should still improve. I think the role of the ground with active whips is often neglected - the output of the whip preamp is the voltage differential between the whip element and the circuit ground, so the ground connection is just as much part of the antenna as the whip element itself is. Clearly, an electrically quiet ground is needed for the active whip, whether this is provided by the coax feeder or a seperate local ground connection. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df02.mx.aol.com (rly-df02.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.15]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF014-52f4b1fd9ea3c7; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:10:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF022-52f4b1fd9ea3c7; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:10:04 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIQ1l-0003T6-EM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:08:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIQ1l-0003Sx-2W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:08:37 +0000 Received: from mailout08.t-online.de ([194.25.134.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIQ1k-0004RH-FO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:08:37 +0000 Received: from fwd03.aul.t-online.de by mailout08.t-online.de with smtp id 1NIQ1g-0005iZ-03; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:08:32 +0100 Received: from e7010 (Ew3DLZZrohtEalePtNuUI0LSxb9OORlwlWTTbwiqZ0xDkZ+1FwpSvcm9OWsU-u1gcq@[84.147.252.42]) by fwd03.aul.t-online.de with smtp id 1NIQ1I-1RPdyK0; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 18:08:08 +0100 Message-ID: <001e01ca78f2$30e456d0$6402a8c0@e7010> From: "Walter und Marianne Staubach" To: Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 18:08:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-ID: Ew3DLZZrohtEalePtNuUI0LSxb9OORlwlWTTbwiqZ0xDkZ+1FwpSvcm9OWsU-u1gcq X-TOI-MSGID: b239be69-2ed5-4716-82e2-3394484de663 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: DI2AG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA78FA.909FA860" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA78FA.909FA860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear MF, DI2AG beacon is on air from now to 7:00UTC tomorrow in QRSS3,= 0.4W ERP. QRG 505.090KHz. 73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA78FA.909FA860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear MF,
      &= nbsp; DI2AG=20 beacon is on air from now to 7:00UTC tomorrow in QRSS3, 0.4W ERP. QRG= =20 505.090KHz.
73   Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF
 
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA78FA.909FA860-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (rly-dg09.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.93]) by air-dg07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG073-5ee4b20dcced9; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:34:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG093-5ee4b20dcced9; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:34:40 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIhHG-0001hA-W5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:33:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIhHG-0001h1-Hr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:33:46 +0000 Received: from msa-k1.u-netsurf.ne.jp ([202.233.11.14]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp>) id 1NIhHE-0002FL-VR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:33:46 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.5] (d25.HkanagawaFL59.vectant.ne.jp [122.103.154.25]) by msa-k1.u-netsurf.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4522934BDA for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:33:41 +0900 (JST) From: Rick Wakatori <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <20091210100700.32DEC31E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <20091210100700.32DEC31E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> Organization: RLL Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:33:41 +0900 Message-Id: <1260444821.6353.65.camel@vaio3rd> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AW: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I agree Rik's observation on the 100W limitation. Average CW operator is a KEY-technician without any science. A good earth is essencial for LF operation, otherwise would get LF shock at frame of transmitter. Linear amplifier is based on self responsibility. There is another reason in a market place for such tranceiver in JP. 100W/50W machine has much wider, say 100 times, of market place than 1KW machine. In any way, there is still a high wall in front of a operator who bought the machine, such tuner, good earth, good antenna and etc.=20 In any way, I will operate QRSS60 using TX2200A/50W at 137780Hz+-1Hz in a peak of peninsular from 01:00UTC to 02:30UTC on coming Sunday,December 13,20 or 27 depending on crimate. 73, --=20 -.. . --... .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-. 7L1RLL under ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP) URL=3Dhttp://www1.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html -..--- -.- .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-... ...-. On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 11:07 +0100, Rik Strobbe wrote: > Stefan, >=20 > there is one good reason to limit the output=20 > power 100W: more power could become lethal (high antenna voltages / curr= ents). > The "black box operators" must be protected=20 > against this danger, otherwise they might go QRT due to "natural selecti= on" :-) >=20 > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >=20 > At 10:19 10/12/2009, you wrote: > >Warren, LF, > >Tnx for the info! > >I am not "afraid" that now many OMs come on the=20 > >band who just bought their rig, like on HF. Even=20 > >if you could buy a loading coil, you never will=20 > >get qrv satisfactorily cause you always have to=20 > >consider many things like the earth, the local=20 > >noise reduction, the impedance transformation to 50 Ohm and so on. > >These OMs, even if they could buy a automatic=20 > >tuner (that would not be easy to create as a=20 > >commercial product) for LF, would be frustrated=20 > >soon cause there are no contests and no 100s of=20 > >stns calling on the band ;-) They would say "LF=20 > >is dead, just nerving qrm" and would never get=20 > >the fascination that we all experience. > >Finally I don't understand why this PA has just=20 > >100W. To reach 1W ERP, most LFers have to apply=20 > >1kW and more, so 100W is QRP on LF ;-). 1kW can=20 > >easily be reached on LF without using expensive=20 > >special transistors and drivers and ferrite=20 > >cores. E.g. with one simple IRFP360 we can built=20 > >a 1kW high efficiency calss d or e PA that costs not even 50=E2=82=AC..= . > >These difficulties to get qrv is one part of the=20 > >LF hobby and if they are solved, one can be glad=20 > >even without doing 100s of qsos in one evening :-) > > > >Stefan / DK7FC > >-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht----- > >Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 > >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Warren Ziegl= er > >Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. Dezember 2009 16:30 > >An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > >Betreff: LF: TX-2200A > > > >Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 > >Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver > >muting. > >Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! > > > >http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf > > > > > > > >73 Warren K2ORS > > WD2XGJ > > WD2XSH/23 > > WE2XEB/2 > > WE2XGR/1 >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df02.mx.aol.com (rly-df02.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.15]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF034-5304b22ed53201; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:09:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF023-5304b22ed53201; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:09:41 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJGT9-00048U-5d for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:08:23 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJGT8-00048L-5y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:08:22 +0000 Received: from defout.telus.net ([199.185.220.240]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJGT5-0004PB-V9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:08:22 +0000 Received: from edtnaa02.telusplanet.net ([75.157.163.71]) by priv-edtnes25.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091212010817.MPET28811.priv-edtnes25.telusplanet.net@edtnaa02.telusplanet.net> for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:08:17 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.67] (d75-157-163-71.bchsia.telus.net [75.157.163.71]) by edtnaa02.telusplanet.net (BorderWare Security Platform) with ESMTP id 007491F323AD4F9A for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:08:16 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <4B22ED00.8070402@telus.net> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:08:16 +0000 From: Scott Tilley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <88EEC52E6C874CCEB966804D073A3376@White> <57a24ca70912110724l43b18b68t5d2f18849fb14147@mail.gmail.com> <031E83CD8D72440486D28C1EBA4E53C3@Black> In-Reply-To: <031E83CD8D72440486D28C1EBA4E53C3@Black> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) HI Guys I wish this was problem here!!! Here's hoping they give us the band in Canada in the new year. 73 Scott Markus Vester wrote: > Dear Warren, LF, > > well your point about the winter night is perfectly understood... > > A fixed QRG will not be a problem for transatlantic contacts, as long > as we Eu's would transmit in the lower band. Only if during the second > half of your night you'd aim West, and someone from over there might > want to fire up near your QRG, the two of you could end up > blocking possible coast-to-coast contacts. > > There is also a technical answer: you could perhaps tune remotely > using a relay, or even connect the additional capacitance at the input > of the feedline. It may add in a bit of extra loss but not much, as > only 2% of the reactance would need to be switched. > > Best wishes, > Markus (DF6NM) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Warren Ziegler" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 4:24 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes > > Markus, > > My antenna tuning unit is outside 100 meters away from > the ham shack. > I am unwilling to go out in the winter night to retune the antenna to > QSY to the lower frequency segment. > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 3:38 AM, Markus Vester > wrote: > Dear LF, > > the passage should have said: > > Taking into account the path of mutual darkness, this would mean that > all stations should transmit in the UPPER band during their evenings > until local midnight, and then QSY to the lower band for the rest of > the night. > > Sorry for the confusion. > > 73, Markus > ... From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (rly-mg05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.111]) by air-mg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG021-a124b2e0adf208; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 06:31:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG054-a124b2e0adf208; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 06:30:40 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMJuO-0006yV-Q5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:25:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMJuO-0006yM-DY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:25:08 +0000 Received: from mx39.mail.ru ([94.100.176.53]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMJy3-0004ma-TT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:28:58 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=18144 helo=EFREMOV) by mx39.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NMJyh-00051z-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:29:35 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <005201ca8167$ac1f0890$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: References: <632025.9903.qm@web28511.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:13:43 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: OH1TN last night in UK Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Chris, I heard OH1TN at 0.30z in CW, RST 439. 73 Andrey LF, I was receiving good signals from OH1TN last night: 2250 Z - 137.7 kHz - DFCW(3) - 'O' - in IO 92 UB I replied to his CQ's but my aerial current was low due to snow. 73 Chris G3XIZ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df08.mx.aol.com (rly-df08.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.21]) by air-df05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF052-56f4b254388b9; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:42:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF086-56f4b254388b9; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:42:01 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJuIo-0008Ex-8X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:40:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJuIn-0008Eo-P3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:40:21 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJuJM-00063a-UD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:40:58 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CA1C51C002 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:40:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 515D331E702 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:40:51 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 815A818056; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:40:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from 206.104-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (206.104-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [87.64.104.206]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:40:50 +0100 Message-ID: <20091213204050.1zrtgnvjkss4c08w@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:40:50 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <001601ca7c18$9db0cef0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <002a01ca7c1d$92e557c0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> In-Reply-To: <002a01ca7c1d$92e557c0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 87.64.104.206 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: LA3EQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) LA3EQ is aubible here day (very weak) and night (up to S7). The usual QSB, but maybe also transmitting at different power levels ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Clemens Paul : > Weak aural and good visual copy on 502.15. > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > Loc:S=FCdostbayern,12,90006=B0O/48,4150=B0N (Gridloc:JN68KJ) > Perseus mit K9AY > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mal hamilton > To: rsgb > Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 6:20 PM > Subject: LF: LA3EQ > > Going strong on CW at present on 502 kcs. Can anyone else hear him. =20 > How about the grabbers? > G3KEV > > > ________________________________ > > Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. > Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de > Version: 9.0.716 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.105/2562 - Ausgabedatum: =20 > 12/13/09 08:39:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc09.mx.aol.com (rly-mc09.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.93]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC023-d934b25155c133; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:25:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC093-d934b25155c133; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:25:02 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJrEM-0005hl-5V for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:23:34 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJrEL-0005hc-QB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:23:33 +0000 Received: from smtp-out112.alice.it ([85.37.17.112]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJrEw-0003tv-8O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:24:12 +0000 Received: from FBCMMO05.fbc.local ([192.168.184.136]) by smtp-out112.alice.it with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:24:04 +0100 Received: from FBCMCL01B05.fbc.local ([192.168.69.86]) by FBCMMO05.fbc.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:23:35 +0100 Received: from IK1ODO.spin-it.com ([87.24.41.185]) by FBCMCL01B05.fbc.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:23:35 +0100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:23:19 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Marco IK1ODO In-Reply-To: <014901ca7c0f$2bedf850$0201a8c0@Clemens04> References: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> <241919.87622.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9afca2640912130305r3acb5e5fs991caaa1115d2255@mail.gmail.com> <6E7638745A1B43168C402CDBB010C2A7@AGB> <007b01ca7c0c$167e7b00$0201a8c0@Clemens04> <014901ca7c0f$2bedf850$0201a8c0@Clemens04> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2009 16:23:35.0937 (UTC) FILETIME=[9ED21710:01CA7C10] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: IK1HSS WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 At 17.13 13/12/2009, you wrote: >Now it's ok. >I believe you just made a typo before: 136.420 instead of >136.240 for dial qrg. >Ur sig was well visible in during the last transmission and will >surely be decoded >in the next one,now that I've adjusted everything. > >73 >Clemens >DL4RAJ Sorry for the mistype :-) Marco IK1HSS is continuing to send. Let me know. 73 - Marco IK1ODO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da08.mx.aol.com (rly-da08.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.82]) by air-da04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA043-a864b26203fa4; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 06:24:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA086-a864b26203fa4; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 06:23:45 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NK8za-00019W-8O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:21:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NK8zZ-00019N-R5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:21:29 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f215.google.com ([209.85.220.215]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NK90R-00030Q-1e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:22:25 +0000 Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so2931745fxm.29 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 03:22:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=/j1746WppA1uG0zMTEDophf8gI//M9A+DPdvliu4ouA=; b=GuuscbtU5IkqOZwiQ63S0AbGrS768hnephC0tPq9iJxzprxBTwQxEeh9r2RSGiGm7W a4IkxVD8wvF3JR1YA/J+HNeQ4La8WD/HjiTnnv6u0u5b8Jda5psfJpWomv9bsaQQywNz BMMTRggGwff6BUodOHqk1xjT0WE3WoX3dC1Hg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=sn17O2aReVzG1EcEDoYButli06x2yJYwdgSmp90zhqwQ/xn9QBEzmtbcf+HkAaNePo PgztKI6PVsfbWDNm157ZvJHYISTH8GDUE6mkByn3yzq/m1wyYUkrJvSydq72z0CyOSQJ 5v2a10yy/n7s+Y5kPRNeYt+vw6yCdUA48fZJ0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.139.17 with SMTP id r17mr472037hbr.140.1260789745561; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 03:22:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <47E8873B5C254CA9A406AA345E229ED6@Black> References: <47E8873B5C254CA9A406AA345E229ED6@Black> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:22:25 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WSPR 2.0 samplerate Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m279.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Windows XP automatically resamples audio at rates that the saoundcard can't 'inherently' support, rather than report an error. Most moderncards have an underlying clock based on 48kHz or 96kHz now, so 11025 etc rates are derived from this. However, the resampling is rarely exact, and for 11025 usually ends up at 11100Hz which is 0.68% high, or occasionally at 10800Hz. G3PLX reckons they are all multiples of 300Hz - which looks to be a valid hypothesis, even if tnot confirmed. Normally, 12000 (or 48kHz really) based rates are the best as all modern soundcards use this, but your older machine probably has a 44100Hz soundcard, in which case WinXP is trying to get 12000Hz and failing to get close enough - the 0.6% you quote seems non-coincidental! It is a pity that WSPR does not have the sample rate correction facility of WSJT - presumably Joe thought that by using 48kHz windows would just throw up an error if it wasn't possible, but the annoying windows driver just tries to do the best it can. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police 2009/12/13 Markus Vester : > Dear LF, > > I have recently installed WSPR 2.0 on one older XP machine and found tha= t > decodes were=A0erratic, and=A0the=A0frequency readout was=A0about 10 Hz= high. The > reason seems to be that the input samplerate is about 0.6 % low. The out= put > samplerate is however correct. > > The strange thing is that this samplerate error was not present=A0with= the > former version 1.12. I now have the two versions running simultaneously= side > by side, on the same machine with the same soundcard. WSPR 1.12 is produ= cing > perfect decodes=A0on the correct frequency, whereas=A02.0 reproducibly= shows the > described effects. It looks like the new version somehow accesses the > soundcard differently. > > Has anybody else experienced this? > > Best 73, > Markus, DF6NM > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (rly-mg04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.110]) by air-mg03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG032-a0d4b2d0c3813c; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:24:22 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG047-a0d4b2d0c3813c; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:24:09 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NM2xM-0002Zx-I0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:19:04 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NM2xM-0002Zo-3P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:19:04 +0000 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.156]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NM31N-0005RX-1W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:23:15 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 16so1810262fgg.10 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 09:23:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=aD8EPfeKwZDZeKcS6sROgLKANfU+AshGuf9BQH+JT3Y=; b=FxPnfCBUde/0Wb5BeRGHH5qyxzTf/kSJBQJiwlaydDkY4AvZcTmdcyhQrbr64pMRzE XC2trI+0881PX7hP7DWjzK5izq0whgh18vrr7CGM+C4bdubGPv4hSFkaHuvo/oJp4xkR n5/vLhOBpG5NaYowBTY7fggBS8KqnNYbpO2nU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=wrLoe9lrxTQNPrvK2P8r71Bz3xQgD0y0AhlrilgsD5Ocdn5ynLN4ug0SYmDv4+vyeX pVrRsPUumWdTU72tP09532xMerQRl16jpvkYgsmvXMWvZTLt/ktsHhXXYMmiSDAQmsAm 1j8cpxCszA1AMbGNP/5K6/Y5AjMoXXYSH+yD0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.139.89 with SMTP id s25mr497900hbs.113.1261243392437; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 09:23:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <346854e9698cbf94f4483c66682bb63b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:23:12 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d254.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Like the sound of that. How did you keep common mode interference induced on the power lead from getting anywhere near the high impedance antenna probe ? Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police 2009/12/19 Roelof Bakker : > Dear James, > >> I think the role of the ground with active whips is often neglected - the >> output of the whip preamp is the voltage differential between the whip >> element and the circuit ground, so the ground connection is just as much >> part of the antenna as the whip element itself is. Clearly, an electrically >> quiet ground is needed for the active whip, whether this is provided by the >> coax feeder or a seperate local ground connection. > > It seems that the requirements for a ground connection are quite relaxed. > I have tested a completely isolated system with the coax running horizontal > tied to a non conduction mast and shoved out of an upstairs window. Signal > strength received with the same system and the mast vertical mounted in the > garden to put the antenna at the same location in space, was within one dB > for a vertical polarised signal. > > I have also build a system with CAT5 cable as a balanced feeder. One twisted > pair was used for RF, the other for power feed. At both ends of the RF pair > rf-isolating transformers were used. This resulted in a very low local noise > pick up. > > Using a common mode choke at the antenna end does not change anything at all > either. My guess is that the antenna element is so small, that even a small > (capacitive) coupling is good ebnough for a ground. > > Best regards, > Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.147]) by air-db08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB084-869c4b38cd522bb; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:22:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DBFFA380003CF; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:22:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPHPt-0005l7-FL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:21:53 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPHPt-0005ky-3q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:21:53 +0000 Received: from mx01.infotech.at ([213.174.240.1]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPHPr-0003fw-IO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:21:53 +0000 Received: from [213.174.228.217] (helo=[192.168.1.150]) by mx01.infotech.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPHPq-0003S1-FJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:21:50 +0100 Message-ID: <4B38CD12.1030405@inext.at> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:21:54 +0100 From: Oberreiter Oswald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AD08@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AD08@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: OE5ODL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40934b38cd504e38 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) hallo stefan! servus ja das waren mit dem 2watt text 2 watt in ,an der antenne nacher= =20 die 5er waren ca 70 watt in ok ja dann noch viel spass und einen guten=20 rutsch awdh 55 dx mit deiner hohen antenne servus de oe5odl Stefan Sch=E4fer schrieb: > Hey Ossi,=20 > I just saw your 2W test on the DF6NM Grabber. Do you mean 2W TX power or= 2W ERP? ;-) If it`s 2W TX power, I have to congratulate to your antenna!! > 73, Stefan > > > =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd08.mx.aol.com (rly-dd08.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.155]) by air-dd05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD052-b964b196fc9204; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 15:23:48 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD088-b964b196fc9204; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 15:23:38 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGefj-00023P-6I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 20:22:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGefi-00023G-9y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 20:22:34 +0000 Received: from n62.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com ([98.136.44.35]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGefh-0007Hp-TE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 20:22:34 +0000 Received: from [69.147.84.145] by n62.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2009 20:22:26 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.224] by t8.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2009 20:22:26 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.241] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2009 20:22:26 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp402.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2009 20:22:26 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 269241.57037.bm@omp402.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 6472 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2009 20:22:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=a4LnBWFCoVf6RMQg9+Y6E61qpZmVl+JLElp66Ikjaz0kG7vDEYZLKJwj/ad8Eq/8H/3OLroJXNieUyOiGjbJFgf7YtuiWQov+DN6zhPyEzAVnOZiCgYl+w1Nnh/u1tbAEPT4bgc11jnt1PggUdtToXGozbc+JkmCcQSTP4D1QzE= ; Received: from host81-129-214-4.range81-129.btcentralplus.com (ken.h.wright@81.129.214.4 with login) by smtp129.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 04 Dec 2009 12:22:25 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9Y6mUHuswBAgnrOsukIiNdFDf95uy_Dz34nY1hlg2liKgYD952sjbg-- X-YMail-OSG: t6u7wEgVM1lx2dQTuYDCr7YdfS6Nkzg_xzXuppbn9YZLV938RXUMhOg._l1_pm0fhJOsFMgd_dDBrozX1ZUIOjeb96Q82L_fWksqYaleaSQLGEwazjggvDzW1.SgJmg1CSAaKu13lhuYCr.Pe2rXwKOGbBW24YJnmLxP91Md8iXqXgMlBZ2ZMvCj8SthPL7NPdnXIVy4t5v7ig5gaXbLXtC2o7BkoNZ09MHvqs6doCtfOKgfAHZqYxlrV2mIOh5OX8ooBqGaqZqwzMFPr9qrufnr59E5HdmUD4YsQo3LH_Tu5la8XNHETSQWF0_xOWfeokdN28wxhJFiGcWLU1REY5sb_Rw- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <778502A52141494DA85FD6F121E71A01@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <000a01ca74ff$163eb010$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 20:22:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: Re: FUSE TEST Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA751F.7BF63750" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA751F.7BF63750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The ceramic fuses in 13A plug tops usually have a 100% overload capabi= liy, this was also the case for some of the BT fuses. Ken de M0KHW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:30 PM Subject: LF: FUSE TEST Has anyone tested the ACTUAL blow current for fuses eg 5A 10A 30A.. I often do not have fuses at the correct value and FUSE down only to= find that I can run them at considerably higher amps than rated eg 30= A fuses at 50A and they fail to blow. This is intermittent use say 30%= - 50% in psu's used for CW and QRS3 normally in FET AMPS This is normal fuse wire bought wrapped on card. It looks like your PA fets could be in trouble under certain circums= tances. de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA751F.7BF63750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The ceramic fuses in 13A plug tops us= ually have a=20 100% overload capabiliy, this was also the case for some of the BT=20 fuses.
 
Ken
de M0KHW
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Friday, December 04, 20= 09 4:30=20 PM
Subject: LF: FUSE TEST

Has anyone tested the ACTUAL blow= current for=20 fuses eg 5A 10A 30A..
I often do not have fuses at the co= rrect value=20 and FUSE down only to find that I can run them at considerably highe= r amps=20 than rated eg 30A fuses at 50A and they fail to blow. This is interm= ittent use=20 say 30% - 50% in psu's used for CW and QRS3 normally in FET AMPS
This is normal fuse wire bought wra= pped on=20 card.
It looks like your PA fets could be= in trouble=20 under certain circumstances.
 
de mal/g3kev
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA751F.7BF63750-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db06.mx.aol.com (rly-db06.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.81]) by air-db05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB053-ad14b21dbea244; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:43:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB067-ad14b21dbea244; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:43:27 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIsEm-0003th-NW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:15:56 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIsE4-0003tY-7S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:15:12 +0000 Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.146]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIsE2-0003v9-RF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:15:12 +0000 Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nBANEtIr013189 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:14:55 -0500 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.d12.340438cf (37659) for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:14:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from White (e179164100.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.179.164.100]) by cia-mb07.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB071-931b4b2180e636; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:14:47 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Markus Vester" To: Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:14:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006E_01CA79F6.EB4035D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,NO_DNS_FOR_FROM autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01CA79F6.EB4035D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF group, recently we find the "transatlantic waterhole" around 137.777 kHz quit= e busy. Several Europeans have started beaconing within this segment.= And there has been some fast (QRSS3 or 10) activity, with wide traces= covering up possible transatlantic DX signalling frequencies. During the last years, we have attempted to split the frequency bands= for both directions of transatlantic work. Traditional segments were= around 137.777 kHz west-to-east (for Americans transmitting towards= Eu), and around 136.320 kHz east-west (for Eu to stateside). Slow mod= es (QRSS or DFCW, 60 second and longer) were used almost exclusively= there, and several stations were able to successfully cross the pond= in either direction. The situation has become a little more intricate as more stations from= other parts of the world (eg. Asia, China, Japan) are joining the gam= e with sensitive receivers and good signals. But I still think it woul= d be helpful to separate RX and TX bands within each area as much as= possible.=20 My suggestion would be to stick with the east-west versus west-east al= location of the two slots. Taking into account the path of mutual dark= ness, this would mean that all stations should transmit in the lower= band during their evenings until local midnight, and then QSY to the= lower band for the rest of the night. Receiver settings would of cour= se be vice versa. I'm aware that this scheme cannot be perfect and universal. It won't= cover North-South hauls, and would not protect signals during early= or late openings. But it's simple enough, and I believe it would stil= l be very useful. Please don't get me wrong - I do not want to discour= age anyone from putting out a signal, and certainly reject the notion= of anything reminiscent of a "band police". I just think a little coo= rdination may help all of us to be successful on this challenging and= fascinating band. Let me have your thoughts... 73 de Markus, DF6NM http://freenet-homepage.de/df6nm/Grabber.htm ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01CA79F6.EB4035D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear LF group,
 
recently we find the "transatlantic= waterhole"=20 around 137.777 kHz quite busy. Several Europeans have started beaconin= g within=20 this segment. And there has been some fast (QRSS3 or 10) activity, wit= h wide=20 traces covering up possible transatlantic DX signalling=20 frequencies.
 
During the last years, we have a= ttempted=20 to split the frequency bands for both directions of transatl= antic=20 work. Traditional segments were around 137.777 kHz west-to-e= ast (for=20 Americans transmitting towards Eu), and around 136.320 kHz east-west= (for Eu to=20 stateside). Slow modes (QRSS= or DFCW, 60=20 second and longer) were used almost exclusively there, and severa= l stations=20 were able to successfully cross the pond in either direction.
 
The situation has become a little mor= e intricate=20 as more stations from other parts of the world (eg. Asia, China,= Japan) are=20 joining the game with sensitive receivers and good signals. But I stil= l think it=20 would be helpful to separate RX and TX bands within each area as much= as=20 possible.
 
My suggestion would be to stick= with the=20 east-west versus west-east allocation of the two slots. Taking in= to account=20 the path of mutual darkness, this would mean that all stations should= transmit=20 in the lower band during their evenings until local midnight, and then= QSY to=20 the lower band for the rest of the night. Receiver settings would=  of=20 course be vice versa.
 
I'm aware that this scheme canno= t be perfect=20 and universal. It won't cover North-South hauls, and would not=20 protect signals during early or late openings. But it's simple enough, and I believe it would st= ill be very=20 useful. Please don't get me wrong= - I do not want=20 to discourage anyone from putting out a signal, and certainly&nbs= p;reject=20 the notion of anything reminiscent of a "band police".= I just=20 think a little coordination may help all of us to be successful= on=20 this challenging and fascinating band.
 
Let me have your thoughts...
 
73 de Markus, DF6NM
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_006E_01CA79F6.EB4035D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (rly-dc01.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.30]) by air-dc05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC054-b024b1ae2172d6; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:43:57 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC016-b024b1ae2172d6; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:43:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NH3Kp-00009f-89 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:42:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NH3Ko-00009W-Om for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:42:38 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NH3Ko-0005ZI-4H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:42:38 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 05 Dec 2009 22:42:31 -0000 Received: from p5DC43D4D.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.196.61.77] by mail.gmx.net (mp025) with SMTP; 05 Dec 2009 23:42:31 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/aMLdo4rjaRFLeaYkuzDqAn5DKcpvcp8RxifB9PK 5cEjbxWTe2gsnv Message-ID: <005501ca75fc$3b676280$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <59DC6AF25071476FA37B42E3896BC627@radiorummet> <00aa01ca7548$de12ce70$0201a8c0@Clemens04> <9AF4BA15A6D94C3483BB006F4E38040B@radiorummet> <001a01ca758f$b9fba3d0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> <002301ca75fa$10f1db40$0201a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 23:42:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.47 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.3 required=5.0 tests=BEEN_TURNED_DOWN autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 > For some reason WSPR 1.12 did not upload (internet connection being ok). The reason was my fault [again -:( ]. Wrong qrg format: kHz instead of MHz. The three uploads appear in the database if you chose all instead of LF/VLF. Sorry for the inconvenience. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clemens Paul" To: Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 11:26 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz > Hello Gus, LF, > > three spots so far (between the noise periods of the heating system). > > 2142 9 0.0 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 > 2158 9 0.0 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 > 2206 8 0.3 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 > > For some reason WSPR 1.12 did not upload (internet connection being ok). > So I've just downloaded and installed V2.0. > Let's see if it works for the rest of the night. > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gus" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 7:54 PM > Subject: LF: Re: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz > > >> Hi Andrey, Clemens and LF, >> >> thanks for the reports and info. >> It is interesting to discover that long-range reception at very low power! >> I only use the drive without the power amplifier stage. >> Also this evening I will run WSPR beacon, QRG 137.650 kHz (Dial 136.150 >> kHz). Power is the same as yesterday about 50 mW erp. >> Grateful for all the reports which may be reported on, >> >> www.sm6bhz.com >> >> 73 de Gus SM6BHZ >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Andrey rn3agc" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 10:45 AM >> Subject: LF: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz >> >> >>> Hello Gus, Clemens, LF, >>> >>> 0008 -28 0.9 0.137650 SM6BHZ JO57 17 >>> 0024 -28 0.9 0.137650 SM6BHZ JO57 17 >>> 0028 -28 0.9 0.137650 SM6BHZ JO57 17 >>> >>> I used WSPR 2.0. >>> Dial 135.620, Rx BFO 2030 Hz - it really works. >>> >>> 73 Andrey >>> >>> >>> Hi Clemens, >>> >>> thanks for your info and print my WSPR formerly of 137 kHz. >>> Not bad considering the low power used! >>> Luke just wants attention :-) >>> I have now closed the transmitter for the night. >>> >>> Best 73 de Gus SM6BHZ >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Clemens Paul >>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 2:17 AM >>> Subject: LF: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz >>> >>> >>> Hi GUs, >>> >>> see below: >>> >>> 2118 8 0.4 136.151499 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 >>> 2138 9 0.6 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 >>> 2144 8 0.7 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 >>> 2218 7 0.6 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 >>> 2222 8 0.7 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 >>> 2226 9 0.8 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 >>> >>> As my internert connection has been broken during the last hours no data >>> upload >>> has taken place. >>> Probably a few loggings are missing because I had to use my dipole for >>> receiving whis is periodically disturbed when our heater is is on. >>> My K9AY has been turned down this late afternoon by our three months old >>> labrador 'Luke'. >>> >>> 73 >>> Clemens >>> DL4RAJ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 73 >>> Clemens >>> DL4RAJ >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Gus >>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:55 PM >>> Subject: LF: WSPR on 137 kHz >>> >>> >>> Hello LF-group, >>> >>> this evening i will transmit, WSPR on 137.650 kHz 136.150 kHz dial. >>> Power abt 50 mW ERP. >>> Transmitter start at 16:00 GMT >>> All reports are welcome. >>> You can also log on, >>> >>> www.sm6bhz.com >>> >>> 73 de Gus SM6BHZ >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. >>> Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de >>> Version: 9.0.709 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.93/2544 - Ausgabedatum: >>> 12/04/09 08:32:00 >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. > Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de > Version: 9.0.709 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.95/2546 - Ausgabedatum: 12/05/09 09:13:00 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.709 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.95/2546 - Ausgabedatum: 12/05/09 09:13:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md07.mx.aol.com (rly-md07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.145]) by air-md01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD014-9124b267f362f8; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:09:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD072-9124b267f362f8; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:08:56 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKFJj-0005wm-E8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:06:43 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKFJj-0005wd-1E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:06:43 +0000 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKFKv-0004fh-83 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:07:59 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlAFAFYNJktZ8INV/2dsb2JhbACIXtAFhCsE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,395,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="338211494" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.240.131.85]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2009 18:07:50 +0000 Message-ID: <002b01ca7ce8$587aa510$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <20091210100700.32DEC31E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <1260444821.6353.65.camel@vaio3rd> <1260449921.6353.77.camel@vaio3rd> <200912141851290399.0E3514C6@smtp2.numeo.fr> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:07:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Can u afford it plus the psu ? Is it cost effective how much would u use it? It depends on the amp class, is it linear, or class D, E, F or G G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "John RABSON" To: Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 5:51 PM Subject: LF: Re: TX-2200A May I add a somewhat late comment about this product, please? It seems to me that there are several different requirements for a transmitter for 136 kHz, depending upon what any individual needs. Being able to generate 1 kW is not always necessary. One thing that struck me about this unit is that the power level can be varied over a considerable range. When setting up an antenna and its connection to the feed line, it is very useful to start with low power (hence low voltage) so as not to stress the various components unnecessarily. One thing I like about this unit is that it can be used for ordinary hand-sent CW. Presumably QRSS would not be a problem. Also, can this rig be used for some of the more sophisticated modes? I do not think I have a complete set of the e-mails of this thread. Please will someone enlighten me. Thanks. 73 John Rabson F5VLF 58800 Cervon France JN17vg From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf01.mx.aol.com (rly-mf01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.171]) by air-mf06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF061-9404b27757f320; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 06:40:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF016-9404b27757f320; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 06:39:45 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKVhm-0002Bu-8K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:36:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKVhl-0002Bl-Jh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:36:37 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s13.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.24]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKVj5-0004em-08 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:38:02 +0000 Received: from BLU146-DS1 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s13.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:38:07 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [60.27.206.155] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC66@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC66@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:38:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2009 11:38:07.0310 (UTC) FILETIME=[123086E0:01CA7D7B] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,EXTRA_MPART_TYPE=0.815,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: Max power was qrss 3/10 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0038_01CA7D7B.10CD7470" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01CA7D7B.10CD7470 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0039_01CA7D7B.10CD7470" ------=_NextPart_001_0039_01CA7D7B.10CD7470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From memory, and Ill stand to be corrected - the higher power stations= Americas stations on 137Khz produced/are producing around 3W ERP (+= or minus 3dB for a ground constant Im having trouble with) from Marco= nis' and decent loops - I cant recall anyone running much more save= perhaps for VA7LF antipodes test crowd (again apologies if Ive calls= ign wrong), or Ed and the Russian teams. I know from the calcs and measurements this is about right for WD2XDW= in Oklahoma which ran on a good day/week, with the wind behind around= 40-50A of loop current, this from a Modded Purple Decca unit, again= from a fading memory running around 1Kw output. I was about at my eng= ineering limit with the V/m and loop current at this power in a suburb= an lot. Man, Im getting RF lackitus having not shoved anything up a coax on LF= for about 5 years Given my present licence a 10KW tx still would no= t afford my max permit allowable ERP level on 137 with my planned Ala= skan loop - but never say never. As far as noise sources are concerned from the PC - I really cant see= anything on the frequencies of choice and solely limited by external= out of my Faraday cage noise from the antennae =3D now, that's not= to say the Dell SMPSU's don't produce crud, and some of that does get= back, no matter how much I choke and decouple - but I must admit I= have a box of them and choose my AC Power supply model for the band/b= ands of interest - and select one that doesn't give me a sproggi where= its not wanted. Oh for some time to get a method of running and decou= pling all the lines/screen/mouse to and from the PC so its completely= quiet. Laurence=20 KL1 X WE 2 X Pee Kew. From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:03 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: AW: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Dear LF,=20 I have done some further thoughts/questions about the "gain" between= the qrss modes. If the "gain" or better said SNR between qrss30 and qrss3 is 10dB, so= can I do a QSO to VK with 1W TX Power and an antenna efficiency of 1/= 1000 if I choose QRSS10000000000? That's a litte jokingly formulated= but you know what I mean. In other words, where are the limitations= of this rule?=20 In CW I think that rule cannot be valid because a dot in CW (say 20wpm= ) is much shorter than 0,3s but to my experience the "gain" compared= to qrss3 is not even 10dB. Furthermore a PC must be seen as a source= of QRM, especially when connected to the antenna system (e.g. for swi= tching a tx relay with the qrs-programm) and RX (even when using a ins= ulating transformer for the AF), and so it always brings a "negative= gain", even when one uses 10s of ferrite cores. =20 And: I always thought of the energy "waste" when applying 1kW (before= 6 yrs when I became qrv with a much worse antenna) to the antenna and= pumping 999,9W into the earth. But when I need 10x the time in qrss30= to do the qso with 100W, the needed energy is the same (compared to= 1kW in qrss3). So, qsos could be done much faster if choosing 10x the= power and stay in qrss3. The additional advantage would be, if I try= to do a TA QSO I could just stay in the region of 137.7 and those who= are qrv in qrss3 and only watch the qrss3-sector would get a nice sig= nal and thus more fascination for the LF-hobby (I often think about th= e LWLs watching my transmission when no one is answering my call ;-)).= In sum, the needed energy (=3Dmoney) is the same but the needed time= would be 10x less. Of course, there would be some problems like partial discharges due to= the high voltage at the antenna and for 10kW the kitchen stove must= be connected in parallel, that could cause QRM with the XYL... ;-) Bu= t generally it would be interesting!?=20 What is the maximum power that is applied to an antenna yet? What have= you heard yet? I have applied 1kW in a bad antenna (=3D> abt 100mW ER= P), so 10kW would be possible when considering to stay in the legal li= mit. 10kW would be possible since one doesn't need a ferrite core that= has to keep the power (in Class E mode). In USA it would be even more= easy due to the fact that the 110V of the mains could just be rectifi= ed. Then I would take some STW12NK90Z in parallel and a IXDD414 and tr= y it with 15A antenna current ;-) Sorry, but in that hobby it is really easy to become euphoric. 73 and hope for fine qsos for us J Stefan / DK7FC ------=_NextPart_001_0039_01CA7D7B.10CD7470 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
From memory, and Ill stand to be corrected= - the higher=20 power stations Americas stations on 137Khz produced/are producing = ;around 3W=20 ERP (+ or minus 3dB for a ground constant Im having trouble with) from= Marconis'=20 and decent loops -  I cant recall anyone running much more= save=20 perhaps for VA7LF antipodes test  crowd (again apologies if Ive= callsign=20 wrong), or Ed and the Russian teams.
 
 
I know from the calcs and measurements this= is about=20 right for WD2XDW in Oklahoma which ran on a good day/week, with the wi= nd behind=20 around 40-50A of loop current, this from a Modded Purple Decca unit,= again from=20 a fading memory running around 1Kw output. I was about at my engineeri= ng limit=20 with the V/m and loop current at this power in a suburban lot.<= /DIV>
 
Man, Im getting RF lackitus having not shove= d anything=20 up a coax on LF for about 5 years 3D"Sad  Given= my present licence a 10KW tx still=20 would not  afford my max permit allowable ERP level on 137 with= my planned=20 Alaskan loop -  but never say never.
 
As far as noise sources are concerned from= the PC - I=20 really cant see anything on the frequencies of choice and solely limit= ed by=20 external out of my Faraday cage noise from the antennae =3D  now,= that=92s not=20 to say the Dell SMPSU's don=92t produce crud, and some of that does ge= t back, no=20 matter how much I choke and decouple -  but I must admit I= have a box=20 of them and choose my AC Power supply model for the band/bands of inte= rest - and=20 select one that doesn=92t give me a sproggi where its not wanted. Oh= for some time=20 to get a method of running and decoupling all the lines/screen/mouse= to and from=20 the PC so its completely quiet.
 
Laurence
KL1 X  WE 2 X Pee Kew.
 
 

Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:03 AM
Subject: AW: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10?

Dear LF,

I have done=20 some further thoughts/questions about the "gain" between the qrss=20 modes.

If the=20 "gain" or better said SNR between qrss30 and qrss3 is 10dB, so can I= do a QSO to=20 VK with 1W TX Power and an antenna efficiency of 1/1000 if I choose=20 QRSS10000000000? That=92s a litte jokingly formulated but you know wha= t I mean. In=20 other words, where are the limitations of this rule?

In CW I=20 think that rule cannot be valid because a dot in CW (say 20wpm) is muc= h shorter=20 than 0,3s but to my experience the =93gain=94 compared to qrss3 is not= even 10dB.=20 Furthermore a PC must be seen as a source of QRM, especially when conn= ected to=20 the antenna system (e.g. for switching a tx relay with the qrs-program= m) and RX=20 (even when using a insulating transformer for the AF), and so it alway= s brings a=20 =93negative gain=94, even when one uses 10s of ferrite cores=85=20   

And: I=20 always thought of the energy "waste" when applying 1kW (before 6 yrs= when I=20 became qrv with a much worse antenna) to the antenna and pumping 999,9= W into the=20 earth. But when I need 10x the time in qrss30 to do the qso with 100W,= the=20 needed energy is the same (compared to 1kW in qrss3). So, qsos could= be done=20 much faster if choosing 10x the power and stay in qrss3. The additiona= l=20 advantage would be, if I try to do a TA QSO I could just stay in the= region of=20 137.7 and those who are qrv in qrss3 and only watch the qrss3-sector= would get a=20 nice signal and thus more fascination for the LF-hobby (I often think= about the=20 LWLs watching my transmission when no one is answering my call ;-)).= In sum, the=20 needed energy (=3Dmoney) is the same but the needed time would be 10x= =20 less.

Of course,=20 there would be some problems like partial discharges due to the high= voltage at=20 the antenna and for 10kW the kitchen stove must be connected in parall= el, that=20 could cause QRM with the XYL... ;-) But generally it would be interest= ing!?=20

What is the=20 maximum power that is applied to an antenna yet? What have you heard= yet? I have=20 applied 1kW in a bad antenna (=3D> abt 100mW ERP), so 10kW would be= possible=20 when considering to stay in the legal limit. 10kW would be possible si= nce one=20 doesn't need a ferrite core that has to keep the power (in Class E mod= e). In=20 USA it would be even more easy due to the fact that th= e 110V=20 of the mains could just be rectified. Then I would take some STW12NK90Z=20 in parallel and a IXDD414=20 and try it with 15A antenna current ;-)

Sorry, but=20 in that hobby it is really easy to become euphoric=85

 

73 and hope=20 for fine qsos for us = J

Stefan /=20 DK7FC

=  

------=_NextPart_001_0039_01CA7D7B.10CD7470-- ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01CA7D7B.10CD7470 Content-Type: image/gif; name="Emoticon10.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: <86C9BC69AA594A268401190FF7908D1A@TGU5061A90051> R0lGODlhEwATALMPAPbw4Nm8W/XZSem3KtuvMvTjVvDHOeTKj7CLMdCbMO7JbqN/KbmfZp8/ H1MfDQAAACH5BAEAAA8ALAAAAAATABMAAASq8EkJjjJjqAOmf5VhCEUhiAT3AVfplicRdJRC vq6gy/RhFIHFIuAiCAmGFOhXWDgcC5cTikmEStMo9rkQJSy3BQCgbY67ScYIe5aeMQPEwBUc wowLZGYx0OF0gCIZBAgXgIeBggMJDAd9gAQJDZMJehkIDABIOpINlZ0JgwgdB0gGniKCkpcM FAGmqRmycZkTAK+zs4S1HhUJlQQDkQiYNB8gBwwIC5i8ExEAOw== ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01CA7D7B.10CD7470-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (rly-dc07.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.36]) by air-dc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC071-b314b179e3039f; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:17:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC075-b314b179e3039f; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:17:05 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NG9fH-0001IZ-Qq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:16:03 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NG9fG-0001IQ-MC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:16:02 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NG9fE-00040K-KP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:16:02 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (co02-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B789134580 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:15:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps02.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.138] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.58V) with ESMTP id XID444NLcLP34457X02; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:15:54 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.138 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps02.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID444NLcLP34457X02 Received: from [192.168.1.5] [151.47.217.200] by cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 377NLcLP16672M38; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:15:52 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.217.200 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.5] Message-ID: <4B179DE6.3050608@usa.net> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:15:50 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B16987B.9000002@usa.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID377NLcLP26672X38 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Roelof Bakker wrote: > Hello Alberto, > > I have used a large coffee tin (30 cm high and 27 cm diameter), for a > passive electric field probe. > The capacitance was way to high for active circuitry. Instead a rf > transformer wound on a hefty high mu toroid was used to couple the antenna > to the coaxial feedline. It worked, though the bandwidth was restricted to > LF and MF. > > An other example is using a small diecast alluminium box (50 x 50 x 30 mm) > with the buffer amplifier mounted inside. Hello Roelof, thanks for the info. Well, 30 x 27 cm was rather a big coffee tin... Who knows, may be a small beer can, those of 33cl, has the right capacity towards ground... must do an experiment. Suggestions about the brand of the beer are gladly accepted... :-) 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me01.mx.aol.com (rly-me01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.34]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME041-99c4b1ade7226e; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:28:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME018-99c4b1ade7226e; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:28:04 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NH35p-0008TL-Dj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:27:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NH35o-0008TC-V5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:27:08 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NH35o-0005SQ-9u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:27:08 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 05 Dec 2009 22:27:01 -0000 Received: from p5DC43D4D.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.196.61.77] by mail.gmx.net (mp023) with SMTP; 05 Dec 2009 23:27:01 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18TXCxCWC8TfByNF89nCnFS+Ang0+YCb/+c+NXLDl h+RaehfYuxpAEw Message-ID: <002301ca75fa$10f1db40$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <59DC6AF25071476FA37B42E3896BC627@radiorummet> <00aa01ca7548$de12ce70$0201a8c0@Clemens04> <9AF4BA15A6D94C3483BB006F4E38040B@radiorummet> <001a01ca758f$b9fba3d0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 23:26:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.5 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.3 required=5.0 tests=BEEN_TURNED_DOWN, LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Gus, LF, three spots so far (between the noise periods of the heating system). 2142 9 0.0 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2158 9 0.0 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2206 8 0.3 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 For some reason WSPR 1.12 did not upload (internet connection being ok). So I've just downloaded and installed V2.0. Let's see if it works for the rest of the night. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gus" To: Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 7:54 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz > Hi Andrey, Clemens and LF, > > thanks for the reports and info. > It is interesting to discover that long-range reception at very low power! > I only use the drive without the power amplifier stage. > Also this evening I will run WSPR beacon, QRG 137.650 kHz (Dial 136.150 > kHz). Power is the same as yesterday about 50 mW erp. > Grateful for all the reports which may be reported on, > > www.sm6bhz.com > > 73 de Gus SM6BHZ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrey rn3agc" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 10:45 AM > Subject: LF: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz > > >> Hello Gus, Clemens, LF, >> >> 0008 -28 0.9 0.137650 SM6BHZ JO57 17 >> 0024 -28 0.9 0.137650 SM6BHZ JO57 17 >> 0028 -28 0.9 0.137650 SM6BHZ JO57 17 >> >> I used WSPR 2.0. >> Dial 135.620, Rx BFO 2030 Hz - it really works. >> >> 73 Andrey >> >> >> Hi Clemens, >> >> thanks for your info and print my WSPR formerly of 137 kHz. >> Not bad considering the low power used! >> Luke just wants attention :-) >> I have now closed the transmitter for the night. >> >> Best 73 de Gus SM6BHZ >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Clemens Paul >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 2:17 AM >> Subject: LF: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz >> >> >> Hi GUs, >> >> see below: >> >> 2118 8 0.4 136.151499 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 >> 2138 9 0.6 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 >> 2144 8 0.7 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 >> 2218 7 0.6 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 >> 2222 8 0.7 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 >> 2226 9 0.8 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 >> >> As my internert connection has been broken during the last hours no data >> upload >> has taken place. >> Probably a few loggings are missing because I had to use my dipole for >> receiving whis is periodically disturbed when our heater is is on. >> My K9AY has been turned down this late afternoon by our three months old >> labrador 'Luke'. >> >> 73 >> Clemens >> DL4RAJ >> >> >> >> >> >> 73 >> Clemens >> DL4RAJ >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Gus >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:55 PM >> Subject: LF: WSPR on 137 kHz >> >> >> Hello LF-group, >> >> this evening i will transmit, WSPR on 137.650 kHz 136.150 kHz dial. >> Power abt 50 mW ERP. >> Transmitter start at 16:00 GMT >> All reports are welcome. >> You can also log on, >> >> www.sm6bhz.com >> >> 73 de Gus SM6BHZ >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. >> Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de >> Version: 9.0.709 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.93/2544 - Ausgabedatum: >> 12/04/09 08:32:00 >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.709 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.95/2546 - Ausgabedatum: 12/05/09 09:13:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df06.mx.aol.com (rly-df06.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.19]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF062-55a4b1c07d5346; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 14:37:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF065-55a4b1c07d5346; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 14:36:54 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHMtY-0005cB-5Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:35:48 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHMtX-0005c2-BH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:35:47 +0000 Received: from warsl404pip1.highway.telekom.at ([195.3.96.112] helo=email.aon.at) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHMtS-0001yA-JZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:35:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 6773 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2009 19:35:36 -0000 Received: from 91-115-29-63.adsl.highway.telekom.at (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([91.115.29.63]) (envelope-sender ) by smarthub93.highway.telekom.at (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 6 Dec 2009 19:35:35 -0000 From: Gerhard Hickl To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Disposition-Notification-To: gerhard.hickl@aon.at Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:35:34 +0100 Message-ID: <1260128134.2455.23.camel@gerhard-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Question to Antenna Experts Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-77zA/9qQ1Jy90nZy9md3" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --=-77zA/9qQ1Jy90nZy9md3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello folks! As some of you may have noticed, I became active on LF. My TX makes about 50W at 13,8V and the Antenna is a Marconi with multiple topload wires. Basically it consists of two 12m Fiber poles in a distance of abt. 50m (North to South). After about 20m from the feeding point, a 20m wire is connected in a nearly right angle. The end of this wire is in about 10m height to a tree. From the 2nd pole, a wire of 25m leads back to the roof of the house in an acute angle. End is also abt. 10m above ground. The end of both wires are at least 10m away from the tree and the roof to avoid losses due high voltage. The wire diameter is 3mm in the vertical section (11m) and 0,8mm for the first 20m, where the right angled wire diverges. From there all other wires are 0,6mm. The cable to the shack is RG58 abt. 25m long. The feeding point is behind the house and the loading coil is about 2,2mH made with insulated 3mm copper-wire wound on a plastic flower-pot of abt. 45cm diameter. It is placed on the roof of the a little shed. I use "Mini-VNA" to measure this antenna and I added a picture of todays measurement. As you can see, the SWR is abt. 1,8 at best because Z= abt. 30. I built a current transformer to measure the antenna current and calibrated it with the dummy. I have 140V p-p on the 50R and this is should produce a current of 1A. I used a Iron-Powder core, primary one turn, secondary is 14 turns and it shows a voltage of 1V after rectifying. Now, that I have it outside on the feeding point, it shows 2V which would means 2A....Thant seems a little bit high to me. Where does this error come from? I want to optimize the antenna regarding Impedance because it's only abt. 30R instead of 50R. Where should I start? More wires in the ground? Does this reduce Impedance or not? More topload? Thicker wires? You see, a lot of questions from somebody who is new to LF. Thank everybody who will take the time an read this long mail in advance. 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58-178-124-188.rev.pro-internet.pl [188.124.178.58] by poczta.o2.pl with ESMTP id YYfrMb; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:04:43 +0100 Message-ID: <003e01ca7b4d$307ac190$3ab27cbc@ap6fnsa53r3k6h> From: "Marcin" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC1F@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B23B319.9080005@usa.net> <4B23C4B5.10102@freenet.de> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:04:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-O2-Trust: 2, 69 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Japanese time&frequency station Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Wolf Whats stations copy your monitor to range: 22-50kHz? 73! Marcin SQ2BXI > Hi Alberto, > > I occasionally see a weak trace on 40 kHz using an indoor loop antenna, > but I am not convinced that this is a real 'DX' signal. > The signal I see is more than 10 dB down on NAU (40.75 kHz) from Puerto > Rico. > > Similar (negative) results currently on the 'Kiel Longwave Monitor' : > > http://df3lp.de/spec.png > > (compare magnitude for some US transmitters, at the moment there's > nothing on Peter's graph around 40 kHz. Same here). > > All the best and have a nice christmas season, > 73, Wolf . > > > Alberto di Bene schrieb: > > Is there anybody in Europe that was able to receive the Japanese > > time&frequency standard station at 40 kHz ? > > If yes, could you please give details about the equipments, especially > > the antenna, used ? > > > > I am trying since some time, night and day, but no luck so far.... > > > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-me10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-me10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.146]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG063-5f384b3bad54340; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:43:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-me10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 49AE63800457D; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 12:57:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQ2lp-0002pL-KE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:55:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQ2lp-0002pC-1n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:55:41 +0000 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQ2ln-0002HZ-7U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:55:41 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtQEAMMiO0tOlM/0/2dsb2JhbACNPwbJZYQxBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,476,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="381617728" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.148.207.244]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2009 17:55:30 +0000 Message-ID: <002901ca8979$46252cd0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:55:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Fw: WE2XGR/2 WE2XGR/6 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA8979.45E98360" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60924b3b9485494f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA8979.45E98360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: mal hamilton=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:53 PM Subject: Re: WE2XGR/2 WE2XGR/6 Jay and Bob I am going to have difficulty tonite hearing you on 507.3 because SM6B= HZ has a SSB beacon on this frequency at present and is S9 taking up= 3 Khz bandwidth 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 10:57 PM Subject: WE2XGR/2 WE2XGR/6 bOTH GOOD SIGNALS ON 507.3 CW, solid copy here at 2255utc mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA8979.45E98360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: mal hamilton=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: WE2XGR/2 WE2XGR/6

Jay and Bob
I am going to have difficulty tonite= hearing you on=20 507.3 because SM6BHZ has a SSB beacon on this frequency at present and= is S9=20 taking up 3 Khz bandwidth
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Tuesday, December 29,= 2009 10:57=20 PM
Subject: WE2XGR/2 WE2XGR/6

bOTH GOOD SIGNALS ON 507.3 CW, soli= d copy here at=20 2255utc
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------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA8979.45E98360-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc08.mx.aol.com (rly-mc08.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.92]) by air-mc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC042-d8c4b275f4e2; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 05:05:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC084-d8c4b275f4e2; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 05:05:04 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKUEP-0000JJ-2Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:02:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKUEO-0000JA-Gx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:02:12 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKUFg-0003vd-Uj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:03:35 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBFA3lLr016605 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:03:48 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:03:47 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:03:47 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC66@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <4B250D02.733.14E9A34@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Thread-Index: Acp8DFgK38Bq7atySNye8OlPWPt21QBWmdgw From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.624;14.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.15.95116 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA7D6D.E3900B19" Subject: AW: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7D6D.E3900B19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF,=20 I have done some further thoughts/questions about the "gain" between the= qrss modes. If the "gain" or better said SNR between qrss30 and qrss3 is 10dB, so can= I do a QSO to VK with 1W TX Power and an antenna efficiency of 1/1000 if= I choose QRSS10000000000? That's a litte jokingly formulated but you know= what I mean. In other words, where are the limitations of this rule?=20 In CW I think that rule cannot be valid because a dot in CW (say 20wpm) is= much shorter than 0,3s but to my experience the "gain" compared to qrss3= is not even 10dB. Furthermore a PC must be seen as a source of QRM, espec= ially when connected to the antenna system (e.g. for switching a tx relay= with the qrs-programm) and RX (even when using a insulating transformer= for the AF), and so it always brings a "negative gain", even when one use= s 10s of ferrite cores... =20 And: I always thought of the energy "waste" when applying 1kW (before 6 yr= s when I became qrv with a much worse antenna) to the antenna and pumping= 999,9W into the earth. But when I need 10x the time in qrss30 to do the= qso with 100W, the needed energy is the same (compared to 1kW in qrss3).= So, qsos could be done much faster if choosing 10x the power and stay in= qrss3. The additional advantage would be, if I try to do a TA QSO I could= just stay in the region of 137.7 and those who are qrv in qrss3 and only= watch the qrss3-sector would get a nice signal and thus more fascination= for the LF-hobby (I often think about the LWLs watching my transmission= when no one is answering my call ;-)). In sum, the needed energy (=3Dmone= y) is the same but the needed time would be 10x less. Of course, there would be some problems like partial discharges due to the= high voltage at the antenna and for 10kW the kitchen stove must be connec= ted in parallel, that could cause QRM with the XYL... ;-) But generally it= would be interesting!?=20 What is the maximum power that is applied to an antenna yet? What have you= heard yet? I have applied 1kW in a bad antenna (=3D> abt 100mW ERP), so= 10kW would be possible when considering to stay in the legal limit. 10kW= would be possible since one doesn't need a ferrite core that has to keep= the power (in Class E mode). In USA it would be even more easy due to the= fact that the 110V of the mains could just be rectified. Then I would tak= e some STW12NK90Z in parallel and a IXDD414 and try it with 15A an= tenna current ;-) Sorry, but in that hobby it is really easy to become euphoric... =20 73 and hope for fine qsos for us :-) Stefan / DK7FC =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7D6D.E3900B19 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear LF, <= /p>

= I have done some further thoughts/questions about the "gain" between the qrs= s modes.

= If the "gain" or better said SNR between qrss30 and qrss3 is 10dB, so= can I do a QSO to VK with 1W TX Power and an antenna efficiency of 1/1000 if I choo= se QRSS10000000000? That’s a litte jokingly formulated but you know wha= t I mean. In other words, where are the limitations of this rule?

= In CW I think that rule cannot be valid because a dot in CW (say 20wpm) is much shorter= than 0,3s but to my experience the “gain” compared to qrss3 is not= even 10dB. Furthermore a PC must be seen as a source of QRM, especially when connecte= d to the antenna system (e.g. for switching a tx relay with the qrs-programm)= and RX (even when using a insulating transformer for the AF), and so it always br= ings a “negative gain”, even when one uses 10s of ferrite coresR= 30; =A0=A0

= And: I always thought of the energy "waste" when applying 1kW (before 6 yrs wh= en I became qrv with a much worse antenna) to the antenna and pumping 999,9W into the earth. But when I need 10x the time in qrss30 to do the qso with 100W, the needed energy is the same (compared to 1kW in qrss3). So, qsos could be do= ne much faster if choosing 10x the power and stay in qrss3. The additional advantage would be, if I try to do a TA QSO I could just stay in the regio= n of 137.7 and those who are qrv in qrss3 and only watch the qrss3-sector would= get a nice signal and thus more fascination for the LF-hobby (I often think ab= out the LWLs watching my transmission when no one is answering my call ;-)).= In sum, the needed energy (=3Dmoney) is the same but the needed time would be= 10x less.

= Of course, there would be some problems like partial discharges due to the high volta= ge at the antenna and for 10kW the kitchen stove must be connected in parallel,= that could cause QRM with the XYL... ;-) But generally it would be interesting!= ?

= What is the maximum power that is applied to an antenna yet? What have you heard yet?= I have applied 1kW in a bad antenna (=3D> abt 100mW ERP), so 10kW would= be possible when considering to stay in the legal limit. 10kW would be possib= le since one doesn't need a ferrite core that has to keep the power (in Class= E mode). In USA it would be even more easy due to the fact that the 110V of the mains could just be rectified. Then= I would take some STW12NK90Z in parallel and a IXDD414 and try it with 15A antenna current ;-)

= Sorry, but in that hobby it is really easy to become euphoric…

=  

= 73 and hope for fine qsos for us J

= Stefan / DK7FC

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7D6D.E3900B19-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.80]) by air-di08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI082-eb674b38828d137; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 05:03:57 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3A352380000F6; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 05:03:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPCRJ-0004kb-AS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:03:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPCRJ-0004kS-09 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:03:01 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPCRG-0005D5-5b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:03:00 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB6F04C8194 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:02:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D26194C8101 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:02:51 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B38824B.2060604@online.fr> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:02:51 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002101ca870a$4dbb3e60$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <005901ca8794$834817d0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> <8AE96D3494964F45A4C2D5FE693D6C42@ns94d01ae4d850> In-Reply-To: <8AE96D3494964F45A4C2D5FE693D6C42@ns94d01ae4d850> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: LF grabber : CPM , XDV , WX , XGJ last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40504b38828c16e2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello LF , Last night good activity on 136/137 kHz ! I copy PA3CPM , G3XDV , DJ8WX on European band ! and WD2XGJ (qrp) on American band ! 73 and HNY Jean-Pierre f1afj From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df12.mx.aol.com (rly-df12.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.25]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF024-5974b1fa58ce9; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:26:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF126-5974b1fa58ce9; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:26:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIMY0-0001Wb-U5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:25:40 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIMY0-0001WQ-Et for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:25:40 +0000 Received: from web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.127]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIMY0-0007wL-Ao for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:25:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 66266 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Dec 2009 13:25:34 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1260365134; bh=OZZIAS9W2cLpF4F9ZBTBZVdbdkOfFcLapoxm/m6B0iU=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HFE+98VWXnEi+VODjOrhegvDXvQKzYg3JI+kZivLxg0UOMFoiwVkPDQozFg+1D1q+qZUN6qRjOennYcpkEZzKNcY0gzk6NO6hzVu0TgguuwUPbb6mWAjwokoAFj5xX1VCL+pBYizB8Ji4to0L53gIUqr/lSuXliG+3aMAU+WXjk= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=axDLq5p67OrbrVZ3CvnZ5qtVqOMO68JsGI5Un36rtEjn10EoFdCuLrUi8NwcaiIv8GFTfD9wysiTyNEH2ildPxib+hFJOWzNu69BFIZcq4+CcCH217Od13E2NQ8XkViiCiMJzGEXKgSakIpvHeHnPngcXYxpOMvxG5psJARGsms=; Message-ID: <911947.66114.qm@web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 7iILKQ4VM1m6Fa53dmphBFyGBRydDlwzHW1cQvc9fUC_kIfG8ynTlgqALHP5FpDotM4oGVeu7NU0N6bZjzoa2fO0GMH6tNa_REWChYPDC1otUD_7MxST1GDsrwOmutjvwEWEZxfbc_y2mHeCxEMD24Sis2GgFRwYu7tD0DSFz1Z6M0ULeLPNP3.N6.WivSLPvZ2Ur8F5A3mpushWOFC96Jv9a_4sKipXulWicSZNBuknN2pXwhIZ0_ExiQ4eeD5euUe9jJ9Fei5OWBo3U6VI Received: from [86.152.84.183] by web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 05:25:34 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 05:25:34 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <539393.64347.qm@web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: Got him !!!SAQ Testing Now Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-784885026-1260365134=:66114" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,PLING_PLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m288.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-784885026-1260365134=:66114 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Got him 17 or so dB over the noise here best I can measure 17.235 some pul= ling on key down. FB signal here IO91UX. =A0 Nice to get an unscheduled copy . vy 73 de M0FMT. --- On Wed, 9/12/09, M0FMT wrote: From: M0FMT Subject: Re: LF: SAQ Testing Now To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 13:11 Maybe too late but nothing heard hear IO91UX Hitchin Herts UK. ..... Four= Alpha stations loud and clear a bit further down the band though..... Con= ditions have improved ! =A0 73 Petefmt =A0 --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Johan H. Bodin wrote: From: Johan H. Bodin Subject: Re: LF: SAQ Testing Now To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 12:46 Still testing at 1247 UTC Johan SM6LKM Lee Hudson wrote: > 17.2kHz >=A0=20 > Lee. > M0LMH. =20 --0-784885026-1260365134=:66114 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Got him 17 or so dB over the noise her= e best I can measure 17.235 some pulling on key down. FB signal here IO91U= X.
 
Nice to get an unscheduled copy . vy 73 de M0FMT.

--- On We= d, 9/12/09, M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

From: M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
Subje= ct: Re: LF: SAQ Testing Now
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date:= Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 13:11

Maybe too late but nothing heard hear IO91UX Hitchin Herts UK. .....= Four Alpha stations loud and clear a bit further down the band though....= . Conditions have improved !
 
73 Petefmt
 


--- On Wed, 9/12/09, Johan H. Bodin <jh.bodin@telia.= com> wrote:

From: Johan H. Bodin <jh.bodin@telia.com>= ;
Subject: Re: LF: SAQ Testing Now
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<= BR>Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 12:46

Still testing at 1247 UTC
Johan SM6LKM

Le= e Hudson wrote:
> 17.2kHz
> 
> Lee.
> M0LMH.=



=20 --0-784885026-1260365134=:66114-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (rly-dd01.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.148]) by air-dd03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD033-b5e4b2e5e1442; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:25:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD018-b5e4b2e5e1442; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:25:41 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMPRw-0007cJ-Jp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:20:08 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMPRw-0007cA-8F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:20:08 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMPWX-0005nY-RY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:24:54 +0000 Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091220172448.RXPF27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:24:48 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091220172448.ENZN13254.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:24:48 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:24:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B2E5DDD.19628.1BDFE41@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1ggfb5FlKZQUfF3vzm9UBYZ2uTfLsbs/8dSljwg5+mE= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=vT8PKvnxHyXuXN1BiR4A:9 a=t1RM1LN9gvrloho0qRAA:7 a=AxxYOnBSbmABFWvSNMkF3i_MDWUA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: test this afternoon Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 A successful test this afternoon has proved my new safety timer that cuts off the transmitter if it has been sending continuously for more than 7 minutes. This gives me more confidence to transmit overnight (after a worrying overheating incident a couple of weeks ago) and I will run some night-time beacons as soon as the weather becomes more reliable - more snow forecast here tonight. MIke, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc09.mx.aol.com (rly-mc09.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.93]) by air-mc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC012-d984b20bd732be; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:21:08 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC098-d984b20bd732be; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:20:53 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIfBD-0000ea-Us for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:19:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIfBD-0000eR-H1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:19:23 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIfBB-0001PU-Sz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:19:23 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBA8bMge014658 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:37:22 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:19:18 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:19:21 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ABE4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: TX-2200A Thread-Index: Acp45V0xXH9jYfyyTCub+PZ5maAOjQAkfivw From: =?windows-1258?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.614;09.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.10.90924 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1258" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: LF: AW: TX-2200A X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Warren, LF,=20 Tnx for the info!=20 I am not "afraid" that now many OMs come on the band who just bought their= rig, like on HF. Even if you could buy a loading coil, you never will get= qrv satisfactorily cause you always have to consider many things like the= earth, the local noise reduction, the impedance transformation to 50 Ohm= and so on. These OMs, even if they could buy a automatic tuner (that would not be eas= y to create as a commercial product) for LF, would be frustrated soon caus= e there are no contests and no 100s of stns calling on the band ;-) They= would say "LF is dead, just nerving qrm" and would never get the fascinat= ion that we all experience. Finally I don't understand why this PA has just 100W. To reach 1W ERP, mos= t LFers have to apply 1kW and more, so 100W is QRP on LF ;-). 1kW can easi= ly be reached on LF without using expensive special transistors and driver= s and ferrite cores. E.g. with one simple IRFP360 we can built a 1kW high= efficiency calss d or e PA that costs not even 50=80... These difficulties to get qrv is one part of the LF hobby and if they are= solved, one can be glad even without doing 100s of qsos in one evening :-= ) Stefan / DK7FC -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von Warren Ziegler Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. Dezember 2009 16:30 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: TX-2200A Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver muting. Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG083-a234b250da11c4; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:52:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG075-a234b250da11c4; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:52:02 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJqiW-0004Zn-My for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:50:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJqiW-0004Zc-AP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:50:40 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJqiz-0004YD-Sp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:51:12 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 13 Dec 2009 15:51:08 -0000 Received: from p5DD35FDD.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.211.95.221] by mail.gmx.net (mp071) with SMTP; 13 Dec 2009 16:51:08 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/N51lmO/XNi0JF20gvJ7RKqggIJbvO+sC7nZ3YrI BN+McMpdt3nWG2 Message-ID: <007b01ca7c0c$167e7b00$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> <241919.87622.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9afca2640912130305r3acb5e5fs991caaa1115d2255@mail.gmail.com> <6E7638745A1B43168C402CDBB010C2A7@AGB> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:50:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.54 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: IK1HSS WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Are you sure abt the frequencies? I think with "carrier" you mean the dial qrg,i.e. 136.420. If so, 137.740 is 80Hz below the wspr band. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marco IK1ODO" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 4:29 PM Subject: LF: IK1HSS WSPR > IK1HSS is active in WSPR on 137.740 (signal frequency, carrier is at 136.420). > ERP power is 50 mW from JN35TB. > > Reports are appreciated to ik1hss@arrl.net ! > > 73 - Marco IK1ODO > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG uberpruft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.716 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.105/2561 - Ausgabedatum: 12/12/09 20:39:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de06.mx.aol.com (rly-de06.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.142]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE041-4e14b2575d069; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:16:55 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE064-4e14b2575d069; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:16:35 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJxeX-0002Mk-Oj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:15:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJxeX-0002Mb-EJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:15:01 +0000 Received: from mcgi59.rambler.ru ([81.19.67.8]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJxf8-0007Jp-Kk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:15:42 +0000 Received: from [81.195.12.12] by mcgi59.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Mon, 14 Dec 2009 02:15:42 +0300 From: Roman RW3ADB To: Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 02:15:42 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <4B25716B.8050408@usa.net> Message-Id: <287322340.1260746142.103019144.47168@mcgi59.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (untone), http://mail.rambler.ru X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: DI2AM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Are the same and some instability in freq some time Visible good on the my grabber now. 505.183 I check specially today. Roman * Alberto di Bene [Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:57:47 +0100]: > "Dogbones" signal for DI2AM at 505.185 (but may be I am off a > bit...) > > \ > > 73 Alberto i2PHD -- Roman RW3ADB. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da07.mx.aol.com (rly-da07.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.81]) by air-da04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA043-a7d4b22ddc21e5; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:03:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA075-a7d4b22ddc21e5; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:03:16 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJFRJ-0003lo-Qw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:02:25 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJFRI-0003le-Vi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:02:25 +0000 Received: from qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.40]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJFRG-000472-9I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:02:24 +0000 Received: from OMTA12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.44]) by QMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Fz0f1d00J0xGWP85402GpP; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:02:16 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([76.23.233.102]) by OMTA12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id G02G1d00B2DDHkk3Y02GKN; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:02:16 +0000 Message-ID: <004101ca7abe$5cd861a0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <001901ca7ab9$f82c4630$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <4B22D7EF.7070908@inext.at> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:02:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 2.3 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,EXTRA_MPART_TYPE=0.815,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=0.93,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: ID of station on 137775.25? Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01CA7A94.73EA8BE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01CA7A94.73EA8BE0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_003B_01CA7A94.73EA8BE0" ------=_NextPart_001_003B_01CA7A94.73EA8BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ossi Austria is a new country in my 137 kHz reception logbook! Curious about the details of your transmitting station - transmitter power, antenna, etc. Thank you for the 137 kHz transmissions. Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: Oberreiter Oswald To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 6:38 PM Subject: Re: LF: ID of station on 137775.25? hallo jay thanks fere report was transmiting only my nr 5 5 5 5 5 ... 73 oe5odl ossi jrusgrove@comcast.net schrieb: Very strong copy of '5' earlier. Curious who this might be. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------=_NextPart_001_003B_01CA7A94.73EA8BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ossi
 
Austria is a new country in my 137 kH= z reception=20 logbook! Curious about the details of your transmitting station - tran= smitter=20 power, antenna, etc.
 
Thank you for the 137 kHz=20 transmissions.
 
Jay
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Oberreite= r Oswald=20
Sent: Friday, December 11, 20= 09 6:38=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: ID of statio= n on=20 137775.25?

hallo jay thanks fere report  was transmiting on= ly my nr 5=20 5 5 5 5 ...
73 oe5odl ossi

jrusgrove@comcast.net<= /A> schrieb:=20
Very=20 strong copy of '5' earlier. Curious who this might be.

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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc10.mx.aol.com (rly-mc10.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.94]) by air-mc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC011-d994b1a30e021d; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 05:07:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC101-d994b1a30e021d; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 05:07:30 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGrWx-0005UB-9R for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 10:06:23 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGrWw-0005U2-FZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 10:06:22 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s9.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGrWv-0003pL-2G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 10:06:22 +0000 Received: from BLU146-DS6 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s9.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 5 Dec 2009 02:06:10 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [221.198.86.16] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: To: Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 10:06:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2009 10:06:10.0252 (UTC) FILETIME=[91A2C8C0:01CA7592] X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: PA0RDT probe Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA7592.908AF020" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA7592.908AF020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Loads of discussion recently so I thought Id share the final location= of my PA0RDT probe - this photo taken at sunset today. http://kl1x.co= m/by3akl1x.jpg The braid of the coax from the probe is bonded to th= e balcony which is bonded to the building rebar. At 137Khz this bonding knocks off some 30dB of noise - power supply fo= r the probe is lead acid battery, some 14V. Common mode choke of some= 30T of RG174 before the power injector and Im using just a 4T primary= and secondary type 77 material as the isolating transformer before th= e 50ohm feed to the R75. This is pretty good and flat from 100Khz up= to 15Mhz using the AIM, even heard JA's on 6m! The power injector has 3mH lossy dark Green toriod material if I do us= e an external supply and decoupled using 0.1 polyprops ( as KL 1 X is= wired) -=20 Unwanted Noise injection is still there and comes from a) the Dell AC= PSU - though I have a box of them and choose one that doesn't put a= spoggy on my LF/MF freq - this DC supply again in choked and decouple= d which helps a bit b) serial cable from PC to R75 - tried multiple turns on lossy toroid= which improves things but not perfect. c) slight coupling from the un= used wire input terminal on the R75 if your radio room is located in= a very noisy environment. Picture of present "array" the total length of the copper clad and fli= msy 16 guage wire is 25cms. I employ a 7 element 500Khz LPF between= power injector and the receiver. The key is the coax bonding here - In Alaska the house is wooden fram= e and I don't have much to bond too, though I do bond to anything I ca= n rebar wise. A few 8ft rods and in line chokes help a bit but theres'= nothing like a full Faraday cage which this place has.=20 73 Laurence, bags packed. BY3A KL1X Tanggu China OM89UA=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA7592.908AF020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Loads of discussion recently so I thought Id= share the=20 final location of my PA0RDT probe - this photo taken at sunset today.&= nbsp;http://kl1x.com/by3= akl1x.jpg  =20  The braid of the coax from the probe is bonded to the balcony wh= ich is=20 bonded to the building rebar.
 
At 137Khz this bonding knocks off some 30dB= of noise -=20 power supply for the probe is lead acid battery, some 14V. Common mode= choke of=20 some 30T of RG174 before the power injector and Im using just a 4T pri= mary and=20 secondary type 77 material as the isolating transformer before the 50o= hm feed to=20 the R75. This is pretty good and flat from 100Khz up to 15Mhz using th= e AIM,=20 even heard JA's on 6m!
 
The power injector has 3mH lossy dark Green= toriod=20 material if I do use an external supply and decoupled using 0.1= =20 polyprops ( as KL 1 X is wired) -
 
Unwanted Noise injection is still there and= comes from=20 a) the Dell AC PSU - though I have a box of them and choose one that= doesn=92t put=20 a spoggy on my LF/MF freq - this DC supply again in choked and decoupl= ed which=20 helps a bit
b) serial cable from PC to R75 - tried multi= ple turns on=20 lossy toroid which improves things but not perfect. c) slight coupling= from the=20 unused wire input terminal on the R75 if your radio room is located in= a very=20 noisy environment.
 
Picture of present "array" the total length= of the=20 copper clad and flimsy 16 guage wire is 25cms. I employ a 7 element&nb= sp; 500Khz=20 LPF between power injector and the receiver.
 
The key is the coax bonding here -  In= Alaska the=20 house is wooden frame and I don=92t have much to bond too, though I do= bond to=20 anything I can rebar wise. A few 8ft rods and in line chokes help a bi= t but=20 theres' nothing like a full Faraday cage which this place has.
 
73
Laurence, bags packed.
 
BY3A KL1X Tanggu China OM89UA
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CA7592.908AF020-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (rly-mf02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.172]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF081-9474b1f9c88337; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 07:48:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF025-9474b1f9c88337; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 07:48:10 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NILwj-00013t-Kv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:47:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NILwj-00013k-7e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:47:09 +0000 Received: from pne-smtpout2-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.164]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NILwi-0002dt-M8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:47:09 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (81.235.167.68) by pne-smtpout2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (7.3.140.3) (authenticated as u33233109) id 4A5BC8BE00FDD276 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:47:02 +0100 Message-ID: <4B1F9C43.2050204@telia.com> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:46:59 +0100 From: "Johan H. Bodin" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: SAQ Testing Now Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Still testing at 1247 UTC Johan SM6LKM Lee Hudson wrote: > 17.2kHz > > Lee. > M0LMH. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.139]) by air-da04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA043-863c4b3d14be13e; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:16:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8F6EF3800007B; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:16:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQSMV-0006r6-EK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 21:15:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQSMV-0006qx-3W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 21:15:15 +0000 Received: from smtpa1.mediabeam.com ([194.25.41.13] helo=smtpa2.mediabeam.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQSMT-0000lH-10 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 21:15:15 +0000 Received: from UMS02-SMTP1 (balancer4.mediabeam.com [194.25.41.40]) by smtpa2.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nBVLF5a0020139 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 22:15:07 +0100 From: "Uwe Jannsen" To: Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 22:14:59 Message-ID: <0C5407D90C1F150E3B3CF@kabelmail.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-PRIORITY: 3 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,INVALID_DATE=1.76 Subject: LF: phenomenon Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408b4b3d14b72fae X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi all, have got a problem with one of my TXs, that one with the ZL1BPU exciter (GPS disciplined =13 10Mhz and 1PPS). pse see http://dj8wx-dl.de/phenomenon dogbones within the signs =13 means a break of uSeconds or Seconds I gues= s.=20 they are visible with and without the PA switched on.=20 erased and newly loaded EEPROMS (AT90S2313, ATTiny2313) didn=19t=20 repair anything. ask the lowfers for comments I thought before opening the box and=20 take measurements. thanks in advance regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (rly-mb01.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.154]) by air-mb01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB012-ce74b194b611b8; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:48:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB013-ce74b194b611b8; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:48:18 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGcFY-0000Yk-T2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:47:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGcFY-0000Yb-Fu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:47:24 +0000 Received: from smtp831.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.13.166]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGcFX-000646-S7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:47:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 99819 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2009 17:47:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=kqi6HqIwaEOM6KfekhDEl95XlEkFtZOi3K6s3vGcQBkUly04ToVPbI94K71xBVIBzCltVnGWiU2Ui87N9qsQwPbzwF0LZ4r42DA/ABaVs0uK0WSJ+k/YmR8x4P/4DIDnQzy+KdudAmkpMflyaaT3iWNgBcCqZ/Kr+/B8VeFOwu0= ; Received: from unknown (HELO IBM7FFA209F07C) (c.ashby435@86.168.221.246 with login) by smtp831.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 17:47:17 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9STUSnaswBBSd6nO_2gAC20jmYlWRjmg8d5iYd8s.rl181aR6Sw- X-YMail-OSG: vfMMJ9YVM1nlLH2r6bXiNwkufIOtOb4vZ9LSwBc.8DFOITXi9Ko1Y.sLYIL8XewHOvauYa4LExFnyRN8HIUNDR.ZgijGCdMx_4MBTLMYrYrDDg_9OQGgyd2dlZSzblSGwNOYtmPJAbSRsgLrJyjp8ZcJY6BcARjQXEzh9z36O3FuiNvcKnluBuv_Jhl_2XR.TbW6.LOGfBDXZldZ8sqO0qCb.JngFIAfYeutJSPR X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4A756ED878C74C52A8B76CF8370CCED7@IBM7FFA209F07C> From: "Chris" To: References: <000d01ca74fb$f884b360$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <002001ca7508$26af20c0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:47:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Whi is MCP? Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Thanks Andrey, but, no, it was too good a signal to make that mistake! Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: LF: Re: Whi is MCP? > Hello Chris, > Probably, "CPM"? It could be Henny PA3CPM. > > 73 Andrey > > > Thanks Mal, what I want to know is who was transmitting 'MCP' in QRSS on > approx. 136.518kHz this morning. Nobody seems to know. How are you > supposed to find out who these abbreviated callsigns are? Maybe there > should be/is a database somewhere?? > Sri the 'Whi' in my subject should have been 'Who'. > Chris, G4AYT. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mal hamilton > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:08 PM > Subject: LF: Re: Whi is MCP? > > > Chris > All the action every nite is around 137.7 on QRS 3 normally also DFCW and > some CW further down the band. > Several stns active most nites, lately HB9, OE, OH, EW6, SP and RU etc > If u want a QSO look in this area. I am also active especially if there > is DX about. > mal/g3lev > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris > To: RSGB LF Group > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:04 PM > Subject: LF: Whi is MCP? > > > Hi All, > Can anyone tell me who was sending MCP on approx. 136.518kHz this > morning? Thanks. > Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent. > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db07.mx.aol.com (rly-db07.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.82]) by air-db08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB082-ad74b1d2ae43d2; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:19:08 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB075-ad74b1d2ae43d2; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:18:46 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHgHi-0002Fn-Pe for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:18:02 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHgHi-0002FW-4l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:18:02 +0000 Received: from nina.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.76]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHgHg-0008SB-Gm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:18:02 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by nina.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nB7GHrQO002630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 12:47:53 -0330 Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 12:47:53 -0330 (NST) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <1523739247@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: Correct test time Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-1719232024-1231066341-1260202673=:504" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ---1719232024-1231066341-1260202673=:504 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE And VX9MRC will beacon on 507.77 kHz CW before and after. 73 Joe VO1NA On Mon, 7 Dec 2009, Andy Talbot wrote: > Clear enough..... > 2009/12/09 2300z through to 2009/12/10 0100z . > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health > and safety police > > > > 2009/12/7 Horst St=F6cker : >> As I wrote before: The flyer says from 9.12. 23 UTC to 10.12. 1 UTC. >> Horst >> >>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: "Chris" >>> Gesendet: 07.12.09 14:28:16 >>> An: "RSGB LF Group" >>> Betreff: LF: Correct test time >> >> Hi All, >>> Re: Test DDH47 147.3 QRSS3. >>> This has now got VERY confusing. Is the transmission one hour UTC >>> either side of midnight 9th into 10th, or one hour UTC either side of >>> midnight 10th into 11th December? >>> Incidentally, my first message along these lines got a failure notice, >>> it said "This message scored 4.5 spam points - rejected". No comment >>> necessary! >>> >>> Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent. >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! >> http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ >> >> >> > > ---1719232024-1231066341-1260202673=:504-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.15]) by air-ma07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA071-b52c4b3338bd39d; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 04:47:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D414F38000142; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 04:47:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNkHB-0007fa-PZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:46:33 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNkHB-0007fR-Bh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:46:33 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNkHA-0000On-EO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:46:33 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.4]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091224094127.BCFL17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:41:27 +0000 Received: from [86.27.92.51] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNkCE-0001w6-TI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:41:27 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <4B3328FF.1000303@junkshifta.co.uk> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:41:20 -0000 Message-ID: <031201ca847d$3f968d10$0217aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcqEdNGJ5GuI/9geQTqYj5svTiDfbQAAzQ8gAAFID7A= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=HqCyFky-AAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=9h1oTapCOFi4V8hbF4UA:9 a=6ZcYYYo0TVxqf19nL6kA:7 a=fxoeSM-Fg4sJIc1438a-G3-UkcIA:4 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=ajpCxL-fKZX_8Rg4:21 a=Y9BONhxKequjegzW:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: RE: saq Christmas transmission Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: S x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410f4b3338bc00e2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Slept in and missed it!!!! (Red wine!!) Are they on air again at 16.00 utc??? -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Lee Hudson Sent: 24 December 2009 09:06 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: saq Christmas transmission Hi Simon, LF Group Just put this recording on the web of the SAQ transmision. Not as good as the ones earlier in the month. http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/SAQ%2020091224%200800utc%20Message.MP3 73, Lee M0LMH. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Simon Newhouse Sent: 24 December 2009 08:41 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: saq Christmas transmission Hello group, Has anyone made a recording of the SAQ broadcast this morning ? I thought I had got it only to find that the soft ware was only recording up to 5khz GRRRRRrrr.. That'll teach me to check my settings. Any way the idea was to decode it at my leisure as I'm just learning morse. If any one has a recording that they could post to me I'd be very greatful. Thanks in advance. Simon M0NWY. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.117/2583 - Release Date: 12/23/09 19:02:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (rly-dc06.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.35]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC024-b294b38c21190; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:35:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC065-b294b38c21190; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:34:58 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPGfe-0005BZ-Fx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:34:06 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPGfe-0005BQ-3e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:34:06 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPGfc-0003NT-RD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:34:06 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBSEY3YS011381 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:34:03 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:34:02 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:34:02 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AD08@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <58773.51665.qm@web86507.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: OE5ODL Thread-Index: AcqG64Qf9ZhDaM5lQO2qEJ4h/8YKTQA3xLXg From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.648;28.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.28.142417 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: LF: OE5ODL X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hey Ossi,=20 I just saw your 2W test on the DF6NM Grabber. Do you mean 2W TX power or= 2W ERP? ;-) If it`s 2W TX power, I have to congratulate to your antenna!! 73, Stefan From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da10.mx.aol.com (rly-da10.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.84]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA034-a924b2e638c3d7; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:49:14 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA102-a924b2e638c3d7; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:49:02 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMPoH-0007lk-EL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:43:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMPoG-0007lb-Of for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:43:12 +0000 Received: from relay2.ptmail.sapo.pt ([212.55.154.22]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMPs4-0006Rc-A1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:47:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 11684 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2009 17:47:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sapo.pt) (10.134.37.163) by relay2 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2009 17:47:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 16232 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2009 17:47:53 -0000 X-AntiVirus: PTMail-AV 0.3-0.95.1 X-Scan-Status: AV clean (0.07700 seconds); AS clean (1.28991 seconds); Received: from unknown (HELO QuadCore) (hpessoa@sapo.pt@[85.244.3.194]) (envelope-sender ) by mta13 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 20 Dec 2009 17:47:52 -0000 Message-ID: <34D8C3CB356E438394A7E57208C70ABC@QuadCore> From: "Henrique Pessoa" To: References: <914980.30417.qm@web28108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <004e01ca8008$e5c13a60$6402a8c0@e7010> <1261186970.19260.12.camel@pat-compaq-evo> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:47:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091220-0, 20-12-2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: Re: LF: Re: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band) Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hear Hear Hear Hear Henrique CT1HX ----- Original Message ----- From: "g4gvw" To: Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 1:42 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band) > Hi All, > > As someone who used to be professionally engaged in negotiating with the > aforesaid regulator in its many incarnations/reincarnations prior to > becoming Ofcomm, believe me it ain't easy! > > However, it is appreciated that each country and legislation, have their > own (sometimes peculiar) approaches to the problems posed by demanding > spectrum allocation. > > Some of us are extremely fortunate to have the talented and tenacious > advocates that achieve so much against often quite incredible pressures > from other interests. > > What is often forgotten is that some of these guys are doing this work > unrewarded, in their own time and sometimes at odds with the commercial > interests of their employers! > > For obvious reasons they cannot say this stuff on their own behalf but > maybe, at this seasonal time we can all raise a glass and say THANK YOU! > > > > > On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 18:20 +0000, Graham wrote: >> Tnx Walter >> >> Yes , we seem to of done quite well considering , I think the only >> gray area was the approach / marketing of the allocation where as >> operations where initially viewed as a follow on from 136 and as >> such its possible that it did not attract a wider response, where >> as it very soon became apparent that the band was more similar >> to 1.8 MHz in terms of coverage and the requirements for large >> arrays and power level did not materialise and in fact the compact >> array has provided most if not all of the Dx worked on the band to >> date , ''even'' Gus is using a antenna system that is within >> the boundary of his own house and is still fractional compared to >> the wave length, once I had modified my old 80 ft total inverted L >> with loading coil and top capacity section , 50 to 100 watts >> provided amazing coverage and performance on 1.8 & 3.5 also >> increased significantly .. unintended consequence ! >> >> Back in the 1970's a old friend of mine , long passed, who >> introduced me to vhf radio 2 & 4 mtr am G3SX always maintained >> that the 500 K / 600 mtr band was the original armature band in >> the period between the 1914/1945 war's and the marine service, >> once spark had been phased out , took over the band and forced the >> armature operation hf to the new fangled 1.8 and higher >> >> So may be the tapping gang where just keeping it free for us >> after all .. 70 years was long enough ! >> >> 73 - G .. >> >> >> From: Walter und Marianne Staubach >> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 5:38 PM >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: LF: Re: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 >> kHz band) >> >> >> Congrats to All on MF in G-Land. I would like we had RSGB and OFCOM in >> Germany. >> Merry Christmas >> Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: M0FMT >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 12:39 PM >> Subject: LF: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501 to >> 504 kHz band) >> >> >> FYI 16|12|09 >> Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band) >> Following representations made by the Radio Society of Great >> Britain and negotiations by Ofcom with the Maritime and >> Coastguard Agency, Ofcom has decided to extend the period of >> Notices of Variation (NoVs) to the licence for operation in >> the 501 to 504 kHz band until 29 February 2012. The maximum >> effective radiated power (e.r.p.) limit is maintained at 10 >> dBW (10 W). Existing NoVs are due to expire at the end of >> February 2010. >> There have been no reports of interference and investigation >> has shown that a radiated power of 10 dBW is not likely to >> cause interference. Moreover, NoV holders are permitted to >> operate only subject to causing no interference. >> Special Research Permits under a Notice of Variation to the >> Licence are made available to holders of Full Amateur Licences >> on a case by case basis to applicants who can demonstrate a >> genuine interest in experimentation at these frequencies and >> provide adequate supporting documentation for assessment. >> Due to the usage of the spectrum around the 500 kHz bands, >> applicants should pay special attention to demonstrating >> technical and operational competence in terms of transmitting >> within the frequency band and Effective Radiated Power >> (e.r.p.) parameters agreed with Ofcom. Previous experience at >> 73 kHz as well as 136 kHz will be considered desirable in this >> respect to ensure adequate steps are taken to limit any >> potential interference. >> Ofcom will monitor any interference reports and also consider >> limiting numbers if necessary in reviewing operation in the >> band. On no account will an e.r.p. level of greater than 10 >> dBW be permitted under any circumstance. >> The standard application form (OfW306) for a Special Research >> Permit can be downloaded at: >> >> http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/applications/ofw306.pdf >> A fresh NoV will automatically be issued to existing NoV >> holders; new applications are not required in this instance. >> Should a fresh NoV not be required or if you are in possession >> of an NoV which is not required, please inform the Ofcom >> Licensing Centre stating your name, call sign and Licence >> number preferably by e-mail to licensingcentre@ofcom.org.uk or >> alternatively by post to the address at the end of the text. >> Form OfW306 is also available on request from the Ofcom >> Licensing Centre at: >> Ofcom Licensing Centre >> Amateur Radio >> Riverside House >> 2a Southwark Bridge Road >> London SE1 9HA >> Tel: 020 7981 3131 >> >> 73 es GL petefmt >> >> >> > -- > 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw > qth nr felixstowe uk > (east coast, county of suffolk) > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md07.mx.aol.com (rly-md07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.145]) by air-md07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD074-9184b2053612c5; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:48:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD078-9184b2053612c5; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:48:19 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIY7U-0007Sp-Tq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:47:04 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIY7T-0007Sg-Kd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:47:03 +0000 Received: from mcgi29.rambler.ru ([81.19.67.195]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIY7P-0004rq-OP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:47:02 +0000 Received: from [91.77.91.188] by mcgi29.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:46:58 +0300 From: Roman RW3ADB To: Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:46:58 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <57a24ca70912091153iaa6a489ia1a35bc98f56233a@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: <903410816.1260409618.167111552.23497@mcgi29.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (untone), http://mail.rambler.ru X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 507.77 kHz Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 CW or QRSS, Joe? * jcraig@mun.ca [Wed, 9 Dec 2009 17:43:24 -0330 (NST)]: > VX9MRC is sending a 'ceremonial' transmission until 2300 and again > at 0100 following the DDH47 transmissions on 147.3 kHz. Reports most > welcomed! > > 73 > Joe VO1NA > > -- Roman RW3ADB. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf01.mx.aol.com (rly-mf01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.171]) by air-mf07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF071-9424b279a17189; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:16:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF018-9424b279a17189; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:15:53 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKY9B-00053K-Ui for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:13:05 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKY9B-00053B-GD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:13:05 +0000 Received: from smtp819.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.19]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKYAr-00043Q-67 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:14:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 56428 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2009 14:14:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=ryAq1gMiOJ+SSMfuzwJDZwDYOVQmtThGs4dKyLZrxTmpmNdEu+4NupmocEGp/hb6vqQnOzOWrJzyIeJdX69FvURYL7MFpwmzIM4Tja2tENKalyA5Bsj5KjLLiPREiQ3fXLO1IiP9AlMf9kCoJ5LAXkbuDQgNivWlDUWf5IW6rlg= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.179.135.6 with login) by smtp819.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2009 14:14:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: E_uvkJYVM1mjiddVgel2yKD_9qH7cEGtMlD38AXI6sBIb46jfinmpIaQtQ.ICpMLaxrJIrunjDgBHJMscJCkOUreceO9H4zc7y093yhHcy9xpDG0kyHyt0J5KYnH8gtjfyEyMRvP4S5t3py69Aqi1Cf153mfqkPAFJlq61c4eI8ZcFPw.DZAaVkd27vIJP_II.tPXzhGgwwQaDN3ZwwxrzUl7cJZl9adXKFObIdGMWoEEiT7or0gZsiPQTEh34.Jlnt1hE4AtqlHHvmfFIKTn_jDvhfvdDytedxuFaUdZ7qsRhti X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC77@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC77@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:14:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10 / PA design Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Stefan, LF Group, A much better choice of circuit topology for QRO transmitters using an off-line rectified mains PSU of about 330V is the half- or full bridge, voltage-mode class D, as used in the "Decca" PAs, and G4JNT's off-line design. Here the peak voltage across each MOSFET is only equal to the DC supply voltage, so cheap 500V Mosfets designed for off-line SMPSUs are ideal. The class E and push-pull current-mode class D designs are better for relatively low voltage supplies, say < 40V. The limitation on TX power that can be used at LF with a vertical antenna is the antenna voltage, roughly Iant * XCant. In my experience, corona breakdown becomes a problem in the 10 - 20kV range with a wire antenna. So to use high power, and so achieve high antenna current and ERP, you need high antenna capacitance. Also, the voltage will be increased if the antenna loss resistance is low. I found that, with an 10m high inverted L antenna of about 50m of wire in total, I could run 1.2kW reliably, provided care was taken to eliminate sharp ends, narrow spacings, etc. in the antenna and tuner. This resulted in up to 5A antenna current, and about 17kV on the antenna wire. Even so, I have to increase the antenna height in order to approach 1W ERP. At 500k, the antenna impedance is much lower, and efficiency also usually higher, so TX power is less of a problem. In my experience, DX contacts using QRSS30 are quite practical, given a large supply of strong coffee! But with longer dot periods, good propagation does not last long enough to complete even a minimal QSO. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 12:44 PM Subject: AW: AW: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Yes, you are right. But i mean i USA, where the voltage is 110V, you get about 155V and thus the 900V FET would have 6 times more. For a class e mode PA, 4x the voltage can be reached when SWR is correct(!) so there would be a goog savety factor. 73, Stefan / DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (rly-mg02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.108]) by air-mg10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG104-9fd4b19931a124; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:54:21 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG027-9fd4b19931a124; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:54:19 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGh1g-0003KN-8K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:53:24 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGh1f-0003KE-3n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:53:23 +0000 Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.64]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGh1c-0001Dv-Om for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:53:23 +0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=aycvjIZ40s2jyok+i3vME+xNkWXYrRjdKgM5+HfgiZAoCJu7s4wbs9ncZ4LIHKqX; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.240.15.219] (helo=ctrask) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1NGh1U-0000Li-3V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:53:12 -0500 Message-ID: <005601ca7534$6ea90400$030ff004@ctrask> From: "Chris Trask" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB4A@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 15:52:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: b77fdb70683249914713efb067f9a722239a348a220c26096da3359035de6f24825802b274c8b311350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.240.15.219 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Active Antenna Preamp of Bernd/DF8ZR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 > > > Now, Bernd has posted the circuit of his preamp for active antennas: > > > > http://www.mydarc.de/df8zr/lf-active-antenna.pdf > > > > It's nothing fundamental new. But it's just working very fine, with an > > overvoltage shielded input. DLF (153kHz) gets attenuated by abt 40dB, > > compared to the sigs in the wanted frequency range. Gain is abt 23dB. > > It was published in summer 2003 in the CQDL. > > The URL is an invalid one > Works okay here. Chris From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg08.mx.aol.com (rly-dg08.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.92]) by air-dg04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG043-5e74b354d561ca; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 18:40:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG086-5e74b354d561ca; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 18:40:08 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOJkG-0003q3-3e for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:38:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOJkF-0003pu-KI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:38:55 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOJkD-0003FW-Be for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:38:55 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqgNAGXcNEtOli1e/2dsb2JhbACCH4YvkA67UoQzBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,455,1257120000"; d="jpg'145?scan'145,208,217,145";a="382262857" Received: from unknown (HELO laptopcore2) ([78.150.45.94]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 25 Dec 2009 23:38:46 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:38:46 -0000 Message-ID: <003b01ca85bb$67230f90$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FUZZY_OCR_WRONG_CTYPE=1.500,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: FW: g3xiz-qrss-500KHz-24.12.09 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA85BB.67230F90" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA85BB.67230F90 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_003D_01CA85BB.67230F90" ------=_NextPart_001_003D_01CA85BB.67230F90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A late post, 3rd try. So test post too G3XIZ, strong audible signal at the top of the band. Eddie G3ZJO IO92ng ------=_NextPart_001_003D_01CA85BB.67230F90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

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laptopcore2) ([78.150.85.115]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 29 Dec 2009 21:59:29 +0000 From: "g3zjo" To: Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 21:59:28 -0000 Message-ID: <000001ca88d2$31f1f290$0202a8c0@laptopcore2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <31D12909B3E54BA9B9750DD5F8E42819@lindavideo> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: Re: Re: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 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My Laptop has an SPDIF connector shining out= the front it is hardly likely to be a dangerous laser where a child could easily put their eye to it. I hope. Eddie G3ZJO -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Ken Sent: 29 December 2009 21:37 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals If it is red then the optical wavelength is about 850nm, what you also need=20 to know is the type of fibre on the sound card, i.e, multi mode or single=20 mode. Multi mode fibre is usually 50/125 microns and single mode 9/125= =20 microns, the first number is the core diameter, the second the overall fibre=20 diameter, as you can see you do not want to try and launch a multi mod= e=20 light source into a single mode fibre.. 73s. Ken. M0KHW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "John RABSON" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 9:31 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of=20 RX signals Agreed we should be careful. My Creative Labs soundcard (external USB= ) has=20 SPDIF optical connectors as well as electrical. The Optical Out connector=20 emits a faint red light but I can't find any mention of safety in the user=20 manual. F5VLF *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 18/12/2009 at 09:16 mal hamilton wrote: >Radio Amateurs BEWARE - Appliance Operators DO NOT TOUCH > >G3KEV > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ken" >To: >Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 10:43 AM >Subject: LF: Re: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of= RX >signals > > >> Optical fibres are fine for transmission and remove all the problem= s of >> interference and cross talk at a stroke, but please be careful and >observe >> optical safety precautions when using lasers and other light source= s. I >> worked on optical systems for many years during my time with BT, an= d >optical >> safety took priority over every thing else. All optical fibres need to >have >> a perfect cleave on the ends, and the connectors be absolutely clean, if >> you are not launching into an optical connector then alignment will be a >> problem, similarly at the receive end. >> >> >> 73. >> Ken >> >> M0KHW >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Horst St=F6cker" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:01 AM >> Subject: LF: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX >signals >> >> >> In theory it's a good Idea which I had some weeks before without working >it >> out. >> >> Years before I also have made tests with FTA (free to air) optical >> transmissions with a DL2CH-Transceiver and a TRX-Kit by Aatis which is >quite >> much simpler. >> Even with that it was no problem to link between two points about= a few >> meters. >> >> In this case you should think about an IR-LED. Unfortunately, the Aatis >> receiver has a photo transistor instead of a diode. But it should= be no >> great deal to modify that. >> >> The problems with FTA optic transmission for this application are imho: >> - You have to be sure, that no one can be injured by the laser beam= , >> especially at unattended operation. >> - Think about how many hours/the beam has it's full power before becoming >> much weaker. >> - The optics must be kept clean. This could be a problem if the uni= ts are >> out of reach. >> - The units have to be mounted absolutely stable. For Example, on= a >swinging >> fibre rod you'll never bring a laser beam exactly to the rx area. >> >> I bet, (FTA) optical transmission just changes one problem with a= few >> others. >> >> But the transmission with optical cable seems interesting. >> >> What type of cable do you suggest? I do not think, my TOS-Link cabl= e >would >> stand weather/UV and mechanical conditions outside for a long time. >> >> Horst DO1KHS >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! >> http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. 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Hello Marcus,
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thank You for the private grabber Marcus,
 
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--Boundary_(ID_ITpOZBqJxp2tUm9xkQVjoQ)-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da03.mx.aol.com (rly-da03.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.77]) by air-da07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA072-a5b4b1a2c182a1; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 04:47:09 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA033-a5b4b1a2c182a1; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 04:47:06 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGrDC-0005MU-R5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 09:45:58 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGrDC-0005ML-59 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 09:45:58 +0000 Received: from mx27.mail.ru ([94.100.176.41]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGrD9-0003kI-S0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 09:45:58 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=14231 helo=EFREMOV) by mx27.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NGrD3-000PIz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 12:45:49 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <001a01ca758f$b9fba3d0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: References: <59DC6AF25071476FA37B42E3896BC627@radiorummet> <00aa01ca7548$de12ce70$0201a8c0@Clemens04> <9AF4BA15A6D94C3483BB006F4E38040B@radiorummet> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:45:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.3 required=5.0 tests=BEEN_TURNED_DOWN, LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Gus, Clemens, LF, 0008 -28 0.9 0.137650 SM6BHZ JO57 17 0024 -28 0.9 0.137650 SM6BHZ JO57 17 0028 -28 0.9 0.137650 SM6BHZ JO57 17 I used WSPR 2.0. Dial 135.620, Rx BFO 2030 Hz - it really works. 73 Andrey Hi Clemens, thanks for your info and print my WSPR formerly of 137 kHz. Not bad considering the low power used! Luke just wants attention :-) I have now closed the transmitter for the night. Best 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ----- Original Message ----- From: Clemens Paul To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 2:17 AM Subject: LF: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz Hi GUs, see below: 2118 8 0.4 136.151499 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2138 9 0.6 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2144 8 0.7 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2218 7 0.6 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2222 8 0.7 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2226 9 0.8 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 As my internert connection has been broken during the last hours no data upload has taken place. Probably a few loggings are missing because I had to use my dipole for receiving whis is periodically disturbed when our heater is is on. My K9AY has been turned down this late afternoon by our three months old labrador 'Luke'. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Gus To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:55 PM Subject: LF: WSPR on 137 kHz Hello LF-group, this evening i will transmit, WSPR on 137.650 kHz 136.150 kHz dial. Power abt 50 mW ERP. Transmitter start at 16:00 GMT All reports are welcome. You can also log on, www.sm6bhz.com 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.709 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.93/2544 - Ausgabedatum: 12/04/09 08:32:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc02.mx.aol.com (rly-mc02.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.86]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC023-d594b280f5a18e; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:36:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC021-d594b280f5a18e; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:36:11 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKfxF-0003Ix-S3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:33:17 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKfxF-0003Io-AA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:33:17 +0000 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKfz6-000762-V5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:35:15 +0000 thread-index: Acp91tYhyPJ/yo9MRPKDr1K+R3oi7g== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 X-SPAM-FLAG:NO Received: from ([127.0.0.1]) with MailEnable ESMTP; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:34:58 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Gus" To: References: <28E30F96FE754DB5B117179FDF03920A@AGB> <58E5518A3C1E431D94BE909B2497657E@radiorummet> <40C1ACE165C24906919BA2E5553F270F@AGB> In-Reply-To: <40C1ACE165C24906919BA2E5553F270F@AGB> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:34:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-CHK: uvtcmail.se X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004C_01CA7DDF.364BB270" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01CA7DDF.364BB270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Graham, I work hard on AE system!! Give me your adress and i will send a pic. De Gus ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 11:25 PM Subject: Re: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9 Hi Gus ..did you finish the work on the Ae system, pity no copy= in to Kabul ! 73 - G ..=20 From: Gus=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 9:56 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9 Graham, Gus run 3 W ERP. de Gus ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:19 PM Subject: Re: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9 Is Gus running 3 watts to the Ae or 3 watts ERP ? G ..=20 From: Anton B=E4rtschi=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 7:13 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9 The SM6BHZ Beacon on 600m is 579 here tonight. Not bad for 3W.=20 Why WSPR when CW works fine? What a wonderfull band! 73 de Toni, HB9ASB ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01CA7DDF.364BB270 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Graham,
I work hard on AE=20 system!!
Give me your adress and i will send a= =20 pic.
 
De Gus
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Sent: Tuesday, December 15,= 2009 11:25=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: SM6BHZ stron= g in=20 HB9

Hi Gus  ..did  you = finish=20 the  work on the Ae system, pity  no copy in to  Kabu= l=20 !
 
73 - G ..

From: Gus
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9

Graham,
 
Gus run 3=20 W ERP.
 
de Gus
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Sent: Tuesday, December 15,= 2009 10:19=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: SM6BHZ str= ong in=20 HB9

Is Gus  running  3 watt= s  to=20 the  Ae or  3 watts  ERP ?
 
G ..


------=_NextPart_000_004C_01CA7DDF.364BB270-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me06.mx.aol.com (rly-me06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.40]) by air-me10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME101-9c04b22448a2cd; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:09:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME064-9c04b22448a2cd; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:09:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ5EK-0006vi-A6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:08:20 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ5EJ-0006vZ-SQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:08:19 +0000 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.153]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ5EH-0008ID-SX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:08:19 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so445668fga.10 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:08:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=K4kBWSLEjMXWd+wMyFjiStxPlpaw96hyI8vFYc1Lhps=; b=UMH0QNuQaDG56puMX8KMkC+mjgYMRaypV7/e3FF3hDw/uXJqIdzCOsox0YS2rz5awr 5KC24xpJoy5+Sr7SRojlqu8v9troy6prv7Oz/UmZcQBh6uX5QYZfCkv60ec9JaAIN+Zs zOtrHVdwVVrHKtsS+ii3AGupojDDH7Yuxi88Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=bFKdQpfNHNDJMhjDSl1wJ3fOQpan5RWMcoy0Y85cxIJjZz3xoCfbH5Nt8GNB/TddMt /kpLjk/JxXaKNbuL/gH/i4cD0EjfCXm83R7zleLgajZfOKsJjOUjalriVhbq5hBFPk4c 8f6wY+R2h0ezGiGfNGttIxdLIOWeFhUhu99Sk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.141.159 with SMTP id c31mr145102hba.147.1260536896881; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:08:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC12@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> References: <1260444821.6353.65.camel@vaio3rd> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC12@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:08:16 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d253.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) 10.LOG(10/3) =3D 5dB and 10.LOG(30/3) =3D 10dB Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police 2009/12/11 Stefan Sch=E4fer : > Dear LF, > Does anybody know about the "gain" between QRSS3 and QRSS10 or QRSS30?= I mean, if the noise in both cases is equal, how much can I reduce my tx= pwr when switching from qrss3 to qrss10? Or isn't it possible to give suc= h a relation? > And: Was there ever a TA QSO in QRSS3? > I am new on the reflector, sri ;-) > > Stefan / DK7FC > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md04.mx.aol.com (rly-md04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.142]) by air-md02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD023-8f94b180a6c6e; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:58:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD041-8f94b180a6c6e; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:58:54 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGGsD-0003cK-U7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:57:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGGsD-0003cB-Hd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:57:53 +0000 Received: from smtp23.services.sfr.fr ([93.17.128.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGGsC-0007YM-Rg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:57:53 +0000 Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2324.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0F73170000AC for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 19:57:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from F8BOJSQUSV2QH5 (46.220.197-77.rev.gaoland.net [77.197.220.46]) by msfrf2324.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with SMTP id BFE57700009B for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 19:57:42 +0100 (CET) X-SFR-UUID: 20091203185742786.BFE57700009B@msfrf2324.sfr.fr Message-ID: <000f01ca744a$7dac0d70$0401a8c0@F8BOJSQUSV2QH5> From: "claude berthebaud" To: References: <1A4C07D90C03120F1332A@kabelmail.de> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 19:57:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091203-1, 03/12/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: info's F8boj Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi UWe LF Thank you for control ... it redone tonight "BOJ" 136319.20hz QRSS 60 .. 20H UTC by WX There was very windy here this evening greetings Claude F8boj JN16WA ================ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Uwe Jannsen" To: Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 7:15 PM Subject: Re: LF: info's F8boj Hi Claude, though no DX here your signs looks like that: http://dj8wx-dl.de/capt58 in JO43SV. regards Uwe/dj8wx -------- Kabel E-Mail Reply --------------- From: f8boj@club-internet.fr To : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: 02.12.2009 17:18:41 HI LF To test station at the bottom of Band I will be QRV 136319.20 hz QRSS60 for 20H utc Notice to fans DX and the control's is welcome Claude f8boj JN16WA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (rly-dd01.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.148]) by air-dd06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD062-b584b309c4d2d9; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 05:15:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD012-b584b309c4d2d9; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 05:15:42 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NN1f2-0005Iq-4h for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:08:12 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NN1f1-0005Ih-Fo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:08:11 +0000 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NN1kZ-0001q8-Gx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:13:57 +0000 Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so3790266pwj.4 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 02:13:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=3QNz4H+WEhAzRpFZjgT9t9THGOzCfcJkqRtpkrpTP0U=; b=iMKxrYdmCg+6AJKyplPWcMIxVzrIlo0nSHKipB7a4KA1ws4XNYuI84z6mafDvmy+EG YwXqExkLqH3FR/xptUOXwdZjnG1Hx7wshnyv+a0qLqWWLy4zhu1LZZeK+bTGpSS+i/r9 iiEKNk+aSx4Klyf3fuhgrQ24YJ9FEB0+iqFJY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=ej71kGC9oKGxUKOffzlBmQnuNITDIHvcaTPbcG81KLkDGH3NaFjSkjbjYRR7/6PV5j S1A5b/QiHhDC5K1NW31Q9pNsQ8yJ6AXHxO07ZPOuL7SAtEjGnZkuSeN+s1xYEy1GUIsd HKqwKGExl/ERcIa4skH5GZxtC9kRJ3bIEL1n4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.89.19 with SMTP id r19mr6008538rvl.113.1261476827944; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 02:13:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <678FAD4478574A8682D9BDE7D982EE11@lindavideo> References: <678FAD4478574A8682D9BDE7D982EE11@lindavideo> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:13:47 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4baa833346a0cfbb Message-ID: <1f0624b90912220213l299aa2ebvd9a91a3fbd3b0983@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: PA0RDT Mini-Whip Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1393438d8e5047b4e7642 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m210.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1393438d8e5047b4e7642 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ken, I have my Mini-Whip mounted with a short length of PVC tube on an1.5 metre aluminium stand off arm attached to my main steel (100mm square) mast at about 9 metres high. The coax runs down the mast & about 25 metres into th= e house. The coax braid is grounded at the base of the mast were it enters= the garage. I use that for my grabbers (off at the moment due to technical reasons) & it operates quite well. 73 Gary - G4WGT. 2009/12/21 Ken > Hello All. > > I have been reading the recent posting regarding the PA0RDT Mini-Whip > earthing etc, and am becoming rather confused. I am hoping to construct= a > Mini-Whip over the Christmas break, but have issues regarding the > positioning of it, the original drawings show it on a non metallic mast,= if > I mount it high it will be within 2m vertical separation and a 3m horizo= ntal > separation of the top horizontal section of the antenna, the other optio= n > would be to mount it 1m above ground which will give a 8m vertical > separation and a 4m horizontal separation. Just to add further problems= if > elevated vertically it is very close to vegetation, and at the 1m positi= on > it will be close to the neighbour=92s chain link fence. The Mini-Whip wi= ll be > connected to the shack with approximately 25m of 50 ohm coax. Your comme= nts > will be gratefully received. > > > > 73s > > Ken > > M0KHW > > > --000e0cd1393438d8e5047b4e7642 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ken,

I have my Mini-Whip mounted with a short length= of PVC tube on an1.5 metre aluminium stand off arm attached to my main st= eel (100mm square) mast at about 9 metres high. The coax runs down the mas= t & about 25 metres into the house. The coax braid is grounded at the= base of the mast were it enters the garage. I use that for my grabbers (o= ff at the moment due to technical reasons) & it operates quite well.

73

Gary - G4WGT.

2009/12/21 Ken <ken.h.wright@btinternet.com>

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<= font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman">I have been reading the recent po= sting regarding the=20 PA0RDT Mini-Whip earthing etc, and am becoming rather confused.=A0= I am hoping to construct a Mini-Whip=20 over the Christmas break, but have issues regarding the positioning of it,= the=20 original drawings show it on a non metallic mast, if I mount it high it wi= ll be=20 within 2m vertical separation and a 3m horizontal separation of the top=20 horizontal section of the antenna, the other option would be to mount it= 1m=20 above ground which will give a 8m vertical separation and a 4m horizontal= =20 separation. Just to add further problems if elevated vertically it is very= close=20 to vegetation, and at the 1m position it will be close to the neighbour=92= s chain=20 link fence. The Mini-Whip will be connected to the shack with approximatel= y 25m=20 of 50 ohm coax. Your comments will be gratefully received.

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<= font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman">73s

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X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: PA3CPM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA758A.A199AC60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.9 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA758A.A199AC60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Henny! It seems the station who saw you must have made a mistake, although he= seemed quite certain it was 'MCP'. Sorry for the confusion and thanks= Andrey, you were right! Vy 73, Chris, G4AYT. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA758A.A199AC60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Henny!
It seems the station who saw you must= have made a=20 mistake, although he seemed quite certain it was 'MCP'. Sorry for the= confusion=20 and thanks Andrey, you were right!
Vy 73, Chris, G4AYT.
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA758A.A199AC60-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD013-91a4b29ed1a179; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 03:34:42 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD082-91a4b29ed1a179; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 03:34:36 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLBl3-0000Ti-Te for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:30:49 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLBl3-0000TZ-CJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:30:49 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate05.web.de ([217.72.192.243]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLBnj-0001xW-AT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:33:37 +0000 Received: from web.de by fmmailgate05.web.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 18ABF5CECF1D for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:33:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from [88.76.49.138] by freemailng2505.web.de with HTTP; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:33:28 +0100 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:33:28 +0100 Message-Id: <1542506438@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?iso-8859-15?Q?Horst_St=F6cker?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-Provags-Id: V01U2FsdGVkX1/LnqY3/F1ORURpxZykgVrw13V94cdYVkX81hVYKKWN0N7vD ruPkhe4odp4VLQ7FrCPOdvaHJVnQS0Grod509ix8OJiw3EmvgjRnsK32JJJs A== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: to DK1KQ: Question about 500kHz on FA SDR-RX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hallo Uwe, in welchem Heft fand ich den von Dir verfassten Artikel zum Umbau auf 500= kHz. Da ich die meisten FA habe, w=FCrde ich gerne mal nachlesen. Die in Deinem Buch angegebene eMail-Adresse scheint nicht mehr aktuell .= . . Horst ___________________________________________________________ Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.!=20 http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md02.mx.aol.com (rly-md02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.140]) by air-md06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD063-8ef4b201f083e6; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:05:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD027-8ef4b201f083e6; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:04:58 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIUda-0005Q2-CA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:03:58 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIUdZ-0005Pt-36 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:03:57 +0000 Received: from msa-k1.u-netsurf.ne.jp ([202.233.11.14]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp>) id 1NIUdW-0003d3-DX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:03:57 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.5] (d25.HkanagawaFL59.vectant.ne.jp [122.103.154.25]) by msa-k1.u-netsurf.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2898534BD1 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:03:49 +0900 (JST) From: Rick Wakatori <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> Organization: RLL Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:03:49 +0900 Message-Id: <1260396229.6326.9.camel@vaio3rd> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 10:30 -0500, Warren Ziegler wrote: > Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 > Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver > muting. > Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! > > http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf > > > > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > Rick:I am using the TX2200A/50W with TCXO option for QRSS transmittion. The frequency stability is average 0.01Hz even QRSS120. -- -.. . --... .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-. 7L1RLL under ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP) URL=http://www1.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html -..--- -.- .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-... ...-. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg08.mx.aol.com (rly-dg08.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.92]) by air-dg03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG031-5e34b1ba107102; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 07:18:34 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG082-5e34b1ba107102; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 07:18:16 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHG31-0004ez-U7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 12:17:07 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHG31-0004eq-3d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 12:17:07 +0000 Received: from web87013.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([87.248.114.65]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHG2z-0008An-MN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 12:17:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 17349 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Dec 2009 12:17:00 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1260101820; bh=UOZ1UtZd2I8JCq5mNqD6QqcVbKaYW7KtQ+XJSWeXK+4=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4FbSKuvhZo41BC+QUq/sZlKd2RlVH6BVJPqsbLzh5QnsfOvp0zSdOxkdb+x1EIPezg+sVLfuKrg4q2f0GpshprwmTux2s3U1XdvVhYEbG2NmekAH8zSWyy1PG5zxJcpaKDTHPTsK9h0MJ0fjtlgYpPYLv9PsZ8jhib9Kx1m1Cw4= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mw/8CvhC5OPpDiJXEjFDENKDsyDANRMVQcLSRUPH8oFBbYLYDtYRUUUhjg/pylJe6qbQ3EKGlLCfOX2awWDOeiuIR9Ziathi4OuHtpeMDmBp15smDEIdXFyyyS0ApNY+Rv9JOQoeDJ/QOuS3LrHEwru6bMwgs3IZ2dll1n7Bq4Q=; Message-ID: <246141.16657.qm@web87013.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: KsYy_nUVM1mkjv5plIeiNArSw6SFxRHAn.zbPCFdgh3ckEzwxs3Uuhfj0FwZW3onBQ3aKw9U5Zi0vK2c3vTU.JEqptW9Lg5J6JLz1luPAlcQn8EufJKRa24WW70SUznoCsWWXrTLi5fR70UqfTuTF.AlOIbXddAikt9gRt6_9SDT.1.8p_LQYR6zf46ew4TyneDaNe8ArMrW8D79ISY_0AEE92Emixl_BDAsbyKvtpFmfw9Zb2IpRC21qJ3nf0MMQ1_HzMZ0Msw6KZ_I7.aeRktIccYds.TRW3zyIIsyGQiba0mwNLdXP5t5PBIBHblWXA-- Received: from [217.44.133.175] by web87013.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 12:17:00 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/240.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: <013e01ca765e$375485d0$0317aac0@desktop> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 12:17:00 +0000 (GMT) From: SAM JEWELL To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <013e01ca765e$375485d0$0317aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: copying mal now 10.22z on cw 500 557 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-779762457-1260101820=:16657" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d243.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass --0-779762457-1260101820=:16657 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal , G3KEV, CQ copied 539 in JO02 ( near Felixstowe ) at around 12:00z= on 502kHz. Untuned 7m vertical. No NoV so unable to respond other than on here. 73 de Sam, G4DDK ________________________________ From: James Cowburn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, 6 December, 2009 10:23:54 Subject: LF: copying mal now 10.22z on cw 500 557 =20 LF/Mal =20 Can cpy u loud and clear on around 502.5cw 557. I called back but no reply. Do u want to try RTTY? =20 With best regards =20 =20 Jim G7NKS --0-779762457-1260101820=:16657 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mal , G3KEV,  CQ copied 539 in JO02 ( near Felixstowe ) at= around 12:00z on 502kHz. Untuned 7m vertical.
No NoV so unable to resp= ond other than on here.

73 de Sam, G4DDK




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Subject: LF: copying mal now 10.22z on cw 500 557

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Can cpy u loud and clear on around 502.5= cw 557.  I called back but no reply. Do u want to try RTTY?

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--0-779762457-1260101820=:16657-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me08.mx.aol.com (rly-me08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.42]) by air-me07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME073-9ce4b2781991e3; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:31:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME082-9ce4b2781991e3; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:31:23 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKWVy-0003Cg-EF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:28:30 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKWVy-0003CX-27 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:28:30 +0000 Received: from mx01.infotech.at ([213.174.240.1]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKWXb-0002z4-EU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:30:13 +0000 Received: from [213.174.255.2] by mx01.infotech.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKWXa-0002UR-NQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:30:10 +0100 Message-ID: <4B27813E.4030508@inext.at> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:29:50 +0100 From: Oberreiter Oswald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4B26CFC2.20402@inext.at> ,<4B276A85.6060003@inext.at> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: BY3A Ops OSsi - Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) thanks laurence! my antenna fighting with a storm from dir east ..i am on the top of a smal hill here always very windy hi so i hope the antenna will be good at night . marry christmas and all the best 73 de ossi Laurence BY3A-KL1X China schrieb: > I think this was about the best Ossi = note there is a carrier running > on this freq too from somewhere - but it doesnt appear to be anything > on my present Loran harmonic list. > > thanks for the signals > > ps DCF 39 is just audible to my untrained ears :-) here at 1152Z > which is a good omen. > > > regards > Laurence KL 1X in By3A > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-di05.mx.aol.com (rly-di05.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.9]) by air-di08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI084-eb694b1e9bc815e; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 13:32:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-di05.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F1F7E38000095; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 13:32:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NI4qa-0006Zh-Hu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:31:40 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NI4qa-0006ZY-3m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:31:40 +0000 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NI4qY-0001dJ-QE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:31:40 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnQGAPcpHktOlTSG/2dsb2JhbACOFQaOO7xuhDIE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,363,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="295702409" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.149.52.134]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 08 Dec 2009 18:31:25 +0000 Message-ID: <004b01ca7834$a5c760a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:31:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: LA3EQ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0048_01CA7834.A56A4C80" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40094b1e9bc76474 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01CA7834.A56A4C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jan Tnx qso at 1819 utc. QSL CW QSO 559/559 each way. Some qsb. First QSO between Norway and England on 500 kcs De Mal/G3KEV IO94SH ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01CA7834.A56A4C80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jan
Tnx qso at 1819 utc. QSL CW QSO&= nbsp;559/559=20 each way. Some qsb.
First QSO between Norway and England= on 500=20 kcs
 
De Mal/G3KEV IO94SH
 
------=_NextPart_000_0048_01CA7834.A56A4C80-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.15]) by air-dd10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD101-86104b393bf62b1; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:15:02 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8D5BC3800006E; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:15:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPOmn-0007O1-Nl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:14:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPOmn-0007Ns-9k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:14:01 +0000 Received: from mx40.mail.ru ([94.100.176.54]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPOmk-0000YW-Vy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:14:01 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=53552 helo=EFREMOV) by mx40.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NPOme-000PEe-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 02:13:52 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <002601ca8813$66930df0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: References: <4B38FD5C.6090108@inext.at> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 02:10:30 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,URIBL_SBL=1.094 Subject: LF: grabber rn3agc Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: S x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410f4b393bf52e6e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello LF, If it is interesting to someone, update the link to my grabber: http://rn3agc.msk.ru/grabber1.shtml#nm Updating of images will occur without the top menu of a website. 73 Andrey From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (rly-dc01.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.30]) by air-dc05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC054-afe4b225ceafd; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 09:53:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC012-afe4b225ceafd; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 09:53:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ6qv-00082L-6L for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:52:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ6qu-00082C-QK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:52:16 +0000 Received: from msa-k1.u-netsurf.ne.jp ([202.233.11.14]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp>) id 1NJ6qt-0001A4-HU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:52:16 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.5] (d25.HkanagawaFL59.vectant.ne.jp [122.103.154.25]) by msa-k1.u-netsurf.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28D4634C0A for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:52:09 +0900 (JST) From: Rick Wakatori <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4B21CA48.8060108@telus.net> References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <20091210100700.32DEC31E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <1260444821.6353.65.camel@vaio3rd> <1260449921.6353.77.camel@vaio3rd> <4B21CA48.8060108@telus.net> Organization: RLL Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:52:09 +0900 Message-Id: <1260543129.8545.23.camel@vaio3rd> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AW: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Scott and the others, I will try to send QRSS60 or QRSS120 from 23:00Z on 12th to 10:00Z on 13th December. I believe this will cover your sunrise and EU sunset. It is a good weather forcast on 13th now. My portable short-mail address is rick7l1rll(atMark)docomo.ne.jp. Please look at 137780Hz+-(a few Hz). 73, Rick -- -.. . --... .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-. 7L1RLL under ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP) URL=http://www1.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html -..--- -.- .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-... ...-. On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 04:27 +0000, Scott Tilley wrote: > Hi Rick > > Please try for a time before and during my sunrise. You may be > surprises. Very good LF condx right now. > > 73 Scott > > > Rick Wakatori wrote: > > Hi Laurence and the others, > > OKay. I will operate QRSS60 at 137780Hz as long as possible on 13th > > December. My antenna at there will be much suitable than usual. > > 73, Rick > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df02.mx.aol.com (rly-df02.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.15]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF011-52e4b1b87ba3d5; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 05:30:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF021-52e4b1b87ba3d5; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 05:30:20 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHEMT-0003bf-MO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:29:05 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHEMS-0003bW-UQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:29:04 +0000 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHEMR-0007Wp-5i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:29:04 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.4]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091206102357.RVED17277.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:23:57 +0000 Received: from [81.109.251.184] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHEHV-0005HI-Iy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:23:57 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:23:54 -0000 Message-ID: <013e01ca765e$375485d0$0317aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: Acp2XjZyB+FXRSQTRa+tUixlMWz7AA== X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=R71HmLji6tAA:10 a=ws1gfgqjyD2nvTgxBp8A:9 a=I5Jr0Qvas6cTmfFGX1tuqohXytEA:4 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=ENgHvdB_v6qHjeNoWqgA:9 a=07fq7d2R90DHGIwpTfkA:7 a=rkKSB-bc-sUwqhnoG3GC-0WpJMUA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: copying mal now 10.22z on cw 500 557 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_013F_01CA765E.375485D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_013F_01CA765E.375485D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LF/Mal Can cpy u loud and clear on around 502.5cw 557. I called back but no reply. Do u want to try RTTY? With best regards Jim G7NKS ------=_NextPart_000_013F_01CA765E.375485D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

LF/Mal

 

Can cpy u loud and clear on around 502.= 5cw 557.  I called back but no reply. Do u want to try RTTY?

 

With best regards=

 

 

Jim G7NKS=

 =

 

------=_NextPart_000_013F_01CA765E.375485D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db04.mx.aol.com (rly-db04.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.79]) by air-db05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB054-abc4b2bbb7a333; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:28:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB042-abc4b2bbb7a333; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:27:25 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLgXJ-0004A3-1Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:22:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLgXI-00049u-Gi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:22:40 +0000 Received: from smtp6.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.190]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLga9-0005Yi-23 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:25:39 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3632.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 79694700008B for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:26:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3632.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6D9077000096 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:26:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.32.76]) by mwinf3632.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id A5E56700008B for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:26:02 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20091218172602679.A5E56700008B@mwinf3632.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <685336291E04450FB261DB7A37A9431A@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <914980.30417.qm@web28108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <914980.30417.qm@web28108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:26:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA8007.2B901630" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA8007.2B901630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ''''''On no account will an e.r.p. level of greater than 10 dBW be per= mitted under any circumstance.''''=20 Better check the tx is not 'Mal' adjusted then ? G .. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 11:39 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz ba= nd) FYI 16|12|09 Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band) Following representations made by the Radio Society of Great Bri= tain and negotiations by Ofcom with the Maritime and Coastguard Agency= , Ofcom has decided to extend the period of Notices of Variation (NoVs= ) to the licence for operation in the 501 to 504 kHz band until 29 Feb= ruary 2012. The maximum effective radiated power (e.r.p.) limit is mai= ntained at 10 dBW (10 W). Existing NoVs are due to expire at the end= of February 2010.=20 There have been no reports of interference and investigation has= shown that a radiated power of 10 dBW is not likely to cause interfer= ence. Moreover, NoV holders are permitted to operate only subject to= causing no interference.=20 Special Research Permits under a Notice of Variation to the Lice= nce are made available to holders of Full Amateur Licences on a case= by case basis to applicants who can demonstrate a genuine interest in= experimentation at these frequencies and provide adequate supporting= documentation for assessment.=20 Due to the usage of the spectrum around the 500 kHz bands, appli= cants should pay special attention to demonstrating technical and oper= ational competence in terms of transmitting within the frequency band= and Effective Radiated Power (e.r.p.) parameters agreed with Ofcom.= Previous experience at 73 kHz as well as 136 kHz will be considered= desirable in this respect to ensure adequate steps are taken to limit= any potential interference.=20 Ofcom will monitor any interference reports and also consider li= miting numbers if necessary in reviewing operation in the band. On no= account will an e.r.p. level of greater than 10 dBW be permitted unde= r any circumstance.=20 The standard application form (OfW306) for a Special Research Pe= rmit can be downloaded at: http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur= /applications/ofw306.pdf=20 A fresh NoV will automatically be issued to existing NoV holders= ; new applications are not required in this instance. Should a fresh NoV not be required or if you are in possession= of an NoV which is not required, please inform the Ofcom Licensing Ce= ntre stating your name, call sign and Licence number preferably by e-m= ail to licensingcentre@ofcom.org.uk or alternatively by post to the ad= dress at the end of the text.=20 Form OfW306 is also available on request from the Ofcom Licensin= g Centre at:=20 Ofcom Licensing Centre=20 Amateur Radio Riverside House 2a Southwark Bridge Road London SE1 9HA=20 Tel: 020 7981 3131=20 73 es GL petefmt=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA8007.2B901630 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
''''''On no account will an e.r.p. level of greater than 10 dBW= be=20 permitted under any circumstance.''''
 
Better check the  tx is  no= t  'Mal'=20 adjusted then ?
 
G ..

From: M0FMT
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 11:39 AM
Subject: LF: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501= to 504 kHz=20 band)

FYI       16|12|09

Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504= kHz=20 band)

Following representations made by the Radio Society of Grea= t Britain=20 and negotiations by Ofcom with the Maritime and Coastguard Agenc= y,=20 Ofcom has decided to extend the period of= Notices of=20 Variation (NoVs) to the licence for operation in the 501 to 504= kHz band=20 until 29 February 2012. The maximum effective ra= diated=20 power (e.r.p.) limit is maintained at 10 dBW (10 W). Existing No= Vs are due=20 to expire at the end of February 2010.
There have been no reports of interference and inves= tigation=20 has shown that a radiated power of 10 dBW is not likely to cause= =20 interference. Moreover, NoV holders are permitted to operate onl= y subject=20 to causing no interference.
Special Research Permits under a Notice of Variation to the= Licence=20 are made available to holders of Full Amateur Licences on a case= by case=20 basis to applicants who can demonstrate a genuine interest in=20 experimentation at these frequencies and provide adequate suppor= ting=20 documentation for assessment.
Due to the usage of the spectrum around the 500 kHz bands,= applicants=20 should pay special attention to demonstrating technical and oper= ational=20 competence in terms of transmitting within the frequency band an= d=20 Effective Radiated Power (e.r.p.) parameters agreed with Ofcom.= Previous=20 experience at 73 kHz as well as 136 kHz will be considered desir= able in=20 this respect to ensure adequate steps are taken to limit any pot= ential=20 interference.
Ofcom will monitor any interference reports and also consid= er=20 limiting numbers if necessary in reviewing operation in the band= . On no=20 account will an e.r.p. level of greater than 10 dBW be permitted= under any=20 circumstance.
The standard application form (OfW306) for a Special Resear= ch Permit=20 can be downloaded at:
= http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/appli= cations/ofw306.pdf=20
A fresh NoV will automatically be issued to existing NoV ho= lders; new=20 applications are not required in this instance.
Should a fres= h NoV not=20 be required or if you are in possession of an NoV which is not= required,=20 please inform the Ofcom Licensing Centre stating your name, call= sign and=20 Licence number preferably by e-mail to licensingcentre@ofcom.org.uk=20 or alternatively by post to the address at the end of the text.=
Form OfW306 is also available on request from the Ofcom Lic= ensing=20 Centre at:
Ofcom Licensing Centre
Amateur Radio
Riverside House=
2a=20 Southwark Bridge Road
London SE1 9HA
Tel: 020 7981 3131

73 es GL=20 petefmt



------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA8007.2B901630-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma05.mx.aol.com (rly-ma05.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.49]) by air-ma06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA064-8aa4b23ddce2ac; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:15:55 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA054-8aa4b23ddce2ac; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:15:43 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJWU3-00026d-QH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:14:23 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJWU3-00026U-BG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:14:23 +0000 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJWU7-0000Zq-7c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:14:29 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq8EADdsI0tcGeYX/2dsb2JhbACOCwbFT4QrBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,388,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="184867379" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.25.230.23]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2009 18:14:04 +0000 Message-ID: <001401ca7b56$dfedfbc0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:13:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Racket Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01CA7B56.DFA8DC70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01CA7B56.DFA8DC70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What is that racket every night on 137.5 kcs, some sort of arabic scri= pt 2 mins on and 2 mins off. g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01CA7B56.DFA8DC70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What is that racket every night on 13= 7.5 kcs, some=20 sort of arabic script 2 mins on and 2 mins off.
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Hello Pat and group, HPY XMAS beacon from PAT on 499 khz CW.
 
F4DTL=20 Nicolas JN18FP

RX : Icom IC7400
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web86501.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 20:21:18 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:21:18 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <1260202597.4b1d2a65f3b5c@imp.netikka.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Broadcast audio splatter on 136kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d235.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass Hi Paul-Henrik, You could be right about it being ICM (or "luxembourg effe= ct" on Lakihegy. If so you should hear or see the "telegrams that Lakihegy= sends on the "splatter as well. If it is ICM (Ionosphereic Cross Modulati= on) then the BC "victim" is probably on approximately the same bearing as= Lakihegy and not more than 20 30 degrees off line. It is possible that ot= her in differenct areas may hear a different BC station Best Wishes Alan G3NYK --- On Mon, 7/12/09, Paul-Henrik wrote: > From: Paul-Henrik > Subject: LF: Broadcast audio splatter on 136kHz > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Monday, 7 December, 2009, 16:16 > LF >=20 > Does anybody else on the reflector suffer from BC-splatter > on 136kHz? It has > been a regular occurance here lately after dark. After some > identification work > I have a match on the running programmes on 171 and 225kHz, > 225kHz being the > stronger. >=20 > I blamed my RX chain at first and started to eliminate IMD > possibilities but > even now using a passive antenna and a very sharp bandpass > filter (much like an > IF-filter for a valve BC-set) I still have the BC > splatter. >=20 > So far I have not been able to determine the carrier > frequency of this "phantom > station" but it must be close to the carrier of Lakihegy. > Using AM detection > with a narrow filter it seems centered around 135.4kHz. > Sounds like two > BC-stations on top of eachother and the USB reaches up in > the amateur band > making "ghost whispers". >=20 > Luxembourg effect, transmitter IMD or just me missing the > point? The bandpass > filter is very effective and there are only weak traces of > signals above > 150kHz. >=20 >=20 > BR >=20 > Paul-Henrik, OH1LSQ >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me04.mx.aol.com (rly-me04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.38]) by air-me05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME053-9ae4b1b79bc1a8; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 04:30:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME042-9ae4b1b79bc1a8; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 04:30:38 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHDQu-0003PJ-Ix for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 09:29:36 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHDQu-0003PA-3n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 09:29:36 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHDQs-0007IB-6l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 09:29:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 1131 invoked by uid 507); 6 Dec 2009 10:29:19 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2009 10:29:19 +0100 Message-ID: <200912061029220691.08D71B29@smtp2.numeo.fr> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:29:22 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: DK7SU 339 on CW on 137 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 At 0929z. 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Thank you for all your help, and I wish you the seasons greetings. 73 Ken M0KHW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roelof Bakker" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 9:16 AM Subject: Re: LF: PA0RDT Mini-Whip > Hello Ken, > > I don't think that it is neccessary to use protection diodes. > Just try it and when it goes wrong it will only cost you a cheap FET. > > 73, > Roelof, pa0rdt > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (rly-dg10.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.94]) by air-dg01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG011-5fb4b221dd01a2; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:24:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG106-5fb4b221dd01a2; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:24:18 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ2eM-0004o4-VS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:23:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ2eM-0004nv-Hy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:23:02 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ2eL-0007AB-R0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:23:02 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id C302151CBD0 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:22:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C5AB31E702 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:22:06 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:22:29 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <814295.92224.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <20091210112926.9259131E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <814295.92224.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20091211102206.3C5AB31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz in Holland Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Alan, depend on how you define "inertia". For me 600m is more experimentation than operation. For the next weeks (months) I will be busy modifying my Sait MT430B to a 400W all mode transmitter, including a transvertor from HF to 500kHz. Meanwhile I am QRV in CW (and QRSS), listening almost every evening and now and then trying to work a new station or trying a new mode. But I am less interested in ragshewing or working the same stations over and over again. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T PS :To avoid one more endless discussion: this is my way to enjoy 600m, I know that other are more keen in operating and respect that. Everyone should be able enjoy this band his (or her) way; live and let live ;-) At 12:34 10/12/2009, you wrote: >Hi Rik that sounds good it looks as though the "inertia" is slowly >building up. Alan G3NYK --- On Thu, 10/12/09, Rik Strobbe > wrote: > From: Rik Strobbe > > Subject: LF: 500kHz in Holland > To: >"rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" > >Date: Thursday, 10 December, 2009, 11:29 > > > Just read this >on > > >http://www.iaru-r1.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=180&Itemid=133 > > : > > > Netherlands: Full licence amateurs > can opt for > an >experimental permit to conduct experiments in the band > 501-504 >kHz > with a maximum power of 5 W EIRP and a maximum bandwitdth > of >100 Hz. The > experiments will start on 1 January 2010 and will >continue > for one year > maximum. > > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md01.mx.aol.com (rly-md01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.139]) by air-md09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD091-8e64b2a2b8d376; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:01:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD016-8e64b2a2b8d376; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:01:03 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLFuV-0004wx-Bj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:56:51 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLFuU-0004wo-Ry for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:56:50 +0000 Received: from web87016.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([87.248.114.68]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLFxH-0004M9-1l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:59:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 39265 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2009 12:59:37 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1261054777; bh=SuWuSnlwNxJ/A0l2SeH5kIc2M+ePeX3fW+9RhqvJ/9s=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JdluaFeRvNpRfWw2krg5re5uv8i6cCucpWshi70Jdg/CqMub1z/gjorszRIeqgyiX2YucJWoTXo2XM7jESIFLhxZOO57IYJQmfckaBoBH5RLeAUOXeYnYgYrzZi7UPGyB07kAhnQeDxiTgmVM4Kw2E1MWoEdzVNWXmE5RpR8GQk= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=U15tjn8Dnip6YaLSyw8DT75IwvuTAj8g+f+PvGkcMIzDvzj+9AW51PjNF4bMIqXSmNd5A4uX9/VPz/7b/PyDf6tc9u9TXlo+lTyBxMPbkLcHgHt89Pgt9EQYIfHbB75LGIQguaK8Ys9yXulzGJfjOPO38k4Fq2EDwfqG7J1IpGw=; Message-ID: <594397.37559.qm@web87016.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: tIBrpJcVM1lplXVl4yfin.mJw1wdN8evq.HYRpEz9A94G4Hq7YDbFooMBpkk4irezd3jPHXb0x5OcGFEF34V9oCkYUapDBACZM9Jzn5dP80vDGLa90ehcFyK6GgiQWPBSygEN19Qfs4m5CY0UjpBKE_ufNE4vSlMCjpShUUDBckOuHq6rBBkzyCLNVBZHNU6jBLbEVrLPaVZ1VFrXbfnE47oZH9u7j.52g2i1i.DEtNAdquSySyUNu_AXO8rvSdYme5pr27fB5.UATST31MjSQ8h3NLvBEFg8nY_ Received: from [87.248.121.239] by web87016.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:59:37 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:59:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Sam To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d273.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass I have a small number of ex equipment semiconductor quantum well semicondu= ctor lasers (1550nm) and PIN diodes on PCB cards. These are pigtailed with= single mode fibre terminated in FC connectors. The cards have an FC bulkh= ead adaptor so that they can be connected together to form a short one-way= radio over fibre link. These are modern (current) devices and capable of= carrying radio over fibre from DC to about 2.0 - 2.4GHz. This would form= a high performance, but short, fibre link (antenna isolator), but with ac= cess to some SM fibre with FC connectors the link could be up to 100km lon= g, depending on a number of factors! These are offered for a small donation to the Bawdsey remote receiver proj= ect, plus postage. Contact me off list if you are interested. I must stres= s that I am unable to provide further assistance in setting up the fibre= optic links or devices. You are on your own! Relevant optical safety, using lasers, needs to be observed. Sam@g4ddk.com 73 de Sam On 17 Dec 2009, at 10:43, "Ken" wrote: Optical fibres are fine for transmission and remove all the problems of in= terference and cross talk at a stroke, but please be careful and observe= optical safety precautions when using lasers and other light sources. I= worked on optical systems for many years during my time with BT, and opti= cal safety took priority over every thing else. All optical fibres need to= have a perfect cleave on the ends, and the connectors be absolutely clea= n, if you are not launching into an optical connector then alignment will= be a problem, similarly at the receive end. 73. Ken M0KHW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Horst St=F6cker" To: Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:01 AM Subject: LF: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signal= s In theory it's a good Idea which I had some weeks before without working= it out. Years before I also have made tests with FTA (free to air) optical transmi= ssions with a DL2CH-Transceiver and a TRX-Kit by Aatis which is quite much= simpler. Even with that it was no problem to link between two points about a few me= ters. In this case you should think about an IR-LED. Unfortunately, the Aatis re= ceiver has a photo transistor instead of a diode. But it should be no grea= t deal to modify that. The problems with FTA optic transmission for this application are imho: - You have to be sure, that no one can be injured by the laser beam, espec= ially at unattended operation. - Think about how many hours/the beam has it's full power before becoming= much weaker. - The optics must be kept clean. This could be a problem if the units are= out of reach. - The units have to be mounted absolutely stable. For Example, on a swingi= ng fibre rod you'll never bring a laser beam exactly to the rx area. I bet, (FTA) optical transmission just changes one problem with a few othe= rs. But the transmission with optical cable seems interesting. What type of cable do you suggest? I do not think, my TOS-Link cable would= stand weather/UV and mechanical conditions outside for a long time. Horst DO1KHS ___________________________________________________________ Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da04.mx.aol.com (rly-da04.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.78]) by air-da09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA092-a664b1568ba66; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:04:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA046-a664b1568ba66; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:04:28 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFY0V-0002aZ-AP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:03:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFY0U-0002aQ-Rc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:03:26 +0000 Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.78.144]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFY0T-00018L-VH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:03:26 +0000 Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 3so1218078eyh.16 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 11:03:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=CDL2i4uoZPTJlpu5UAnZZWKqG2XhWiXGge/FsS4DwSw=; b=Jeh8ZVkyw14FRlqVuL9HszYUgd1RlHSLn59SHlbmeHya+Wg0ihVJwOKRLMQMERWzd8 tfhKpkylGTg4SjSgDC1J3qDT1oWrznbYWBhDTrsV0XLWByrg8O0YNLbpfnQppUH6Mnz/ 04OZq8buQeaXXsLgJVt6EtbcffQhFqZsBRltY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=t1FwflDe5lzAfDsXb6QznsKMglcl+A5cAv9MvfCSYgQ+V+Q9JPW9nHEvfS8agP+bdG VIHk7yWBD7lZP8sYYvs2mvVpHZfCklK8rkSZ/WRO/NE59DxgV16/BezTcBfHKTnc3D7t 9WYiffCyhzmrFG34Rt/uAI0cYbVUzcMfToMKI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.24.12 with SMTP id t12mr6560768ebb.70.1259694204742; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 11:03:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <001f01ca71ca$1c0c96c0$3ab27cbc@ap6fnsa53r3k6h> References: <007801ca6c6a$09baf120$3ab27cbc@niurhaxf0xcqlj> <001f01ca71ca$1c0c96c0$3ab27cbc@ap6fnsa53r3k6h> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:03:24 +0100 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anton_B=E4rtschi?= To: Marcin , rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: qso Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0ce02a6c996aeb0479af6982 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m278.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0ce02a6c996aeb0479af6982 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Marcin Yes, we will try it again. If WX is good, I will be QRV Friday Evening, probably allready from 19:00 til 23:00 UTC. 73 de Toni 2009/11/30 Marcin > Hello Toni > If you calling my I have QSO on DK8ND. I copied your twice transmiting= CQ. > Maybe have qso next friday? > 73! Marcin > > > > Hello Marcin > I've seen your signal in QRS10. It was quite strong. I called you, but > probably my signal was too weak. May be we can make a QSO next weekend. > 73 de Toni, HB9ASB > > > 2009/11/24 Anton B=E4rtschi > > Hello Marcin > Yes, would be nice to make a first contact SP-HB9. As far as i know, it > never took place. How abot this weekend, saturday or sunday? Have you ev= er > seen my signal? Should we try it in QRS3 or QRS10? > 73 de Toni, HB9ASB > > > 2009/11/23 Marcin > > Hello Toni > Plise QSO on 136kHz. > We have 1W EIRP and antenna 30m hight and 120m long. > -- > Vy 73! > Marcin SQ2BXI > (SP2KDS Team) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Internetowi nie placa! Otworz Konto Direct. > Kliknij >> http://link.interia.pl/f2448 > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Audi kilka tysiecy zlotych taniej? Przebieraj wsrod tysiecy ogloszen! > Kliknij >>> http://link.interia.pl/f2424 > > --000e0ce02a6c996aeb0479af6982 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Marcin
Yes, we will try it again. If WX is good, I will be QRV Fr= iday Evening, probably allready from 19:00 til 23:00 UTC.
73 de Toni
2009/11/30 Marcin <<= a href=3D"mailto:bxi@interia.pl">bxi@interia.pl>
Hello Toni
If you calling my I have QSO on DK8ND. I copied your twice transmiting CQ.=
Maybe have qso next friday?
73! Marcin



Hello Marcin
I've seen your signal in QRS10. It was quite strong. I called you, but=
probably my signal was too weak. May be we can make a QSO next weekend. 73 de Toni, HB9ASB


2009/11/24 Anton B=E4rtschi <hb9asb= @gmail.com>

Hello Marcin
Yes, would be nice to make a first contact SP-HB9. As far as i know, it never took place. How abot this weekend, saturday or sunday? Have you ever=
seen my signal? Should we try it in QRS3 or QRS10?
73 de Toni, HB9ASB


2009/11/23 Marcin <bxi@interia.pl= >

Hello Toni
Plise QSO on 136kHz.
We have 1W EIRP and antenna 30m hight and 120m long.
--
Vy 73!
Marcin SQ2BXI
(SP2KDS Team)

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Internetowi nie placa! Otworz Konto Direct.
Kliknij >> http://link.interia.pl/f2448


--------------------------------------------------------------= --------
Audi kilka tysiecy zlotych taniej? Przebieraj wsrod tysiecy ogloszen!
Kliknij >>> http://link.interia.pl/f2424


--000e0ce02a6c996aeb0479af6982-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.77]) by air-di08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI083-eb684b2269e9c0; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:48:57 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4A17838000A1A; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:48:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ7in-0008VC-Lt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:47:57 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ7in-0008V3-43 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:47:57 +0000 Received: from smtp09.online.nl ([194.134.42.54]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ7il-0001KC-FN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:47:57 +0000 Received: from smtp09.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp09.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 070621E5C1 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:47:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp09.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:47:54 +0100 (CET) From: To: Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:47:54 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70912110724l43b18b68t5d2f18849fb14147@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp09.online.nl) X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: RE: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404d4b2269e71964 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Warren, I just wished I had that problem!! 73 Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Warren Ziegler Verzonden: vrijdag 11 december 2009 16:24 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes Markus, My antenna tuning unit is outside 100 meters away from the ham shack. I am unwilling to go out in the winter night to retune the antenna to QSY to the lower frequency segment. -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 3:38 AM, Markus Vester = wrote: > Dear LF, > > the passage should have said: > > Taking into account the path of mutual darkness, this would mean tha= t all > stations should transmit in the=A0UPPER band during their evenings= until local > midnight, and then QSY to the lower band for the rest of the night. > > Sorry for the confusion. > > 73, Markus > From: Markus Vester > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 12:14 AM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes > Dear LF group, > > recently we find the "transatlantic waterhole" around 137.777 kHz qu= ite > busy. Several Europeans have started beaconing within this segment.= And > there has been some fast (QRSS3 or 10) activity, with wide traces co= vering > up possible transatlantic DX signalling frequencies. > > During the last years, we have=A0attempted to=A0split the frequency= bands > for=A0both directions of transatlantic work.=A0Traditional segments were=A0around > 137.777 kHz west-to-east (for Americans transmitting towards Eu), an= d around > 136.320 kHz east-west (for Eu to stateside).=A0Slow modes (QRSS or= DFCW, 60 > second and longer)=A0were used almost exclusively there, and several stations > were able to successfully cross the pond in either direction. > > The situation has become a little more intricate as=A0more stations= from other > parts of the world (eg. Asia, China, Japan) are joining the game wit= h > sensitive receivers and good signals. But I still think it would be helpful > to separate RX and TX bands within each area as much as possible. > > My suggestion would be to=A0stick with the east-west=A0versus west-e= ast > allocation of the two slots. Taking into account the path of mutual > darkness, this would mean that all stations should transmit in the= lower > band during their evenings until local midnight, and then QSY to the= lower > band for the rest of the night. Receiver settings=A0would=A0of cours= e be vice > versa. > > I'm aware that this=A0scheme cannot be perfect and universal. It won= 't cover > North-South hauls, and would not protect=A0signals during early or= late > openings. But it's simple enough, and I believe it would still be ve= ry > useful. Please don't get me wrong - I do not want to discourage anyo= ne from > putting out a=A0signal, and certainly=A0reject the notion of=A0anyth= ing > reminiscent of=A0a=A0"band police". I just think a little coordinati= on may help > all of us to=A0be successful on this=A0challenging and fascinating= band. > > Let me have your thoughts... > > 73 de Markus, DF6NM > > http://freenet-homepage.de/df6nm/Grabber.htm > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (rly-mb03.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.161]) by air-mb03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB031-cfa4b24b949104; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 04:52:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB036-cfa4b24b949104; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 04:52:11 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJl5q-00019i-FD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:50:22 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJl5p-00019Z-Gb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:50:21 +0000 Received: from psmtp31.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.33]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJl6F-0001tg-U5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:50:50 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp31.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KUL006LS4OGM8@psmtp31.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:50:40 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:50:40 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <376DD38072A242F1A11C745450C0FDB8@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: UA4WPF 12-12.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_xWLhVZlSh0qqNRdX0HCjkg)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --Boundary_(ID_xWLhVZlSh0qqNRdX0HCjkg) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_TXynAe0mLnYl/HNaFminhw)" --Boundary_(ID_TXynAe0mLnYl/HNaFminhw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Capture Ua4wpf henny pa3cpm 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: UA4WPF 12-12.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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1NGe9B-0eHfE00; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 20:48:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de To: X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 6.08.0003 Date: 04 Dec 2009 19:48 GMT Message-ID: <1NGe9B-0eHfE00@fwd11.t-online.de> X-ID: r3GL2qZC8hEdafgcHwkghYZwVjXxyuI+bt28EZWxbgJ7KTc8X03QxBapd0LHCiRgT9 X-TOI-MSGID: ede5a295-07b5-4e3b-8d31-71f330335807 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: AW: [Fwd: Extra transmission with SAQ Dec 10 2009] Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="__Next_1259956129_Part222__" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --__Next_1259956129_Part222__ Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit Dear Rik, LF, I have made a short search in the internet, but all sources except one, even schools which have been named after Karl Ferdinand Braun and should know it, do not carry the addition "von". I guess the "von" in connection with Braun is better known due to Wernherr von Braun, the rocket specialist. 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "Rik Strobbe" schrieb: Stefan, isn't the correct name Karl Ferdinand von Braun ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 08:45 4/12/2009, you wrote: I'm sorry but I didn't do the spelling - I simply forwarded the message I got from SAQ. 73 Johan SM6LKM Stefan Schfer wrote: > The german physicist is called Karl Ferdinand Braun > ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Ferdinand_Braun )! >> The reason for the extra transmission is a centenary commemoration of >> the Nobel Prize given to Guglielmo Marconi and Karl Ferdinand Brown. --__Next_1259956129_Part222__ Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit T-Online eMail Dear Rik, LF,

I have made a short search in the internet, but all sources except one, even schools which have been named after Karl Ferdinand Braun and should know it, do not carry the addition "von". 

I guess the "von" in connection with Braun is better known due to Wernherr von Braun, the rocket specialist.

73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB


"Rik Strobbe" <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> schrieb:

Stefan,

isn't the correct name Karl Ferdinand von Braun ?

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 08:45 4/12/2009, you wrote:
I'm sorry but I didn't do the spelling - I simply forwarded the message
I got from SAQ.
73 Johan SM6LKM

Stefan Schfer wrote:
> The german physicist is called Karl Ferdinand Braun
> ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Ferdinand_Braun )!

>> The reason for the extra transmission is a centenary commemoration of
>> the Nobel Prize given to Guglielmo Marconi and Karl Ferdinand Brown.
 
--__Next_1259956129_Part222__-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df03.mx.aol.com (rly-df03.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.16]) by air-df05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF054-5394b2a500229a; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:36:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF032-5394b2a500229a; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:36:36 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLIL4-0006gH-Cw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:32:26 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLIL3-0006g8-Rs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:32:25 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLINt-0005Uj-Ei for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:35:23 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (co02-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D66BF13432D for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:35:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps03.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.132] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.58V) with ESMTP id XID468NLqPjo6177X02; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:35:14 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.132 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps03.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID468NLqPjo6177X02 Received: from [192.168.1.4] [151.47.219.44] by cmsapps03.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 824NLqPjN1472M39; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:35:13 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.219.44 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.4] Message-ID: <4B2A4FAE.9010805@usa.net> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:35:10 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LF Mailing List X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID824NLqPjN1472X39 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Is this the Luxembourg effect ? 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domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000325557df2c0432a047b3d29a2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mal, I called CQ on 12wpm CW a few times just now on 500kHz, but no takers. There is *always* activity on 500kHz WSPR. Reports of my 1mW ERP signal received from 4 different stations (so far) in the last hour or so out to 237kms. 73s Roger G3XBM 2009/12/21 mal hamilton > I have never heard LF/MF so quiet over the years since it all started. In > the past most of the DX that I have worked was around XMAS time. The wx at > present in Scarborough is minus 2 C and covered in 6 inches of snow but it > is not effecting my antennas so far even although there is some ice on the > wires. > Now calling CQ on 502.6 kcs and looking for acty also on 137 kcs CW > De mal/g3kev > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --000325557df2c0432a047b3d29a2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal,

I called CQ on 12wpm CW a few times just now on 500kHz, but no= takers.

There is always activity on 500kHz WSPR. Reports of= my 1mW ERP signal received from 4 different stations (so far) in the last= hour or so out to 237kms.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2009/12/21 mal ha= milton <g3ke= vmal@talktalk.net>
I have never heard LF/MF so quiet ove= r the years=20 since it all started. In the past most of the DX that I have worked was ar= ound=20 XMAS time. The wx at present in Scarborough is minus 2 C and covered in 6= inches=20 of snow but it is not effecting my antennas so far even although there is= some=20 ice on the wires.
Now calling CQ on 502.6 kcs and looki= ng for acty=20 also on 137 kcs CW
De mal/g3kev
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--000325557df2c0432a047b3d29a2-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb02.mx.aol.com (rly-mb02.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.155]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB051-ced4b1a4e8a117; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 07:14:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB021-ced4b1a4e8a117; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 07:14:03 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGtV4-0006Rg-5b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 12:12:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGtV3-0006RX-PK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 12:12:33 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGtV3-0002yf-3m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 12:12:33 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nB5CCVF7020930 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 13:12:31 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 13:12:30 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 13:12:30 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB4B@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB3E@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: next /p activity Thread-Index: Acp0u1rPAGcNDuTGSSu7cfOACu+G0AAJXlNQADC8c+A= From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.606;05.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.5.120037 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA75A4.38012F13" Subject: LF: next /p activity X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA75A4.38012F13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ...will be most probably this evening, starting at abt 22 utc... =20 73, Stefan/DK7FC ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA75A4.38012F13 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------_=_NextPart_001_01CA75A4.38012F13-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me01.mx.aol.com (rly-me01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.34]) by air-me02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME023-9974b2ec11136b; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:28:08 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME013-9974b2ec11136b; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:28:02 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMW1r-0008Dj-T9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 00:21:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMW1r-0008DV-7P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 00:21:39 +0000 Received: from web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com ([69.147.97.72]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMW5n-0000Dz-1T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 00:25:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 20520 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Dec 2009 00:26:26 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1261355185; bh=STOMxbXnyLaj7Lz4cj7NFfsG3O0lNzi/JEeI+nDHkiQ=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CsS6beP2+02GzEcGN6r43pvkCxBjcRRu9KXBt/FhX8CYruESnT3qriZyMjYY2fBAfSe0H8J74kb7dmiU7VV7z2OfCFXeHgvVEMiJXtslFWKk4/y7KsN/YuNlSx8XhEf8uiUZNP7CPUncOCUIOjOnXxx4eYBnv0gvFk+xSVeX6ek= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=W7gP/FEZuuq7eomxUahDS0ucgKDdlMDSML7+DWKPrYiPK179WciuuX+cIzCTW60AY/QuAEPUk/NqRmp9T/GT1Fi9BtgeRlRr6RHNvI5OwOK7ofSzjL502IXW6h7p+3UMfHJbKvcbOdMi+ThBEROokBLbD91zu3vOomsQ55lidRM=; Message-ID: <953616.19379.qm@web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: w0lq.cAVM1kcTBUWDP15ZrezQBYLSgq.MwolSafixSQBN3wcXdCSXdujPZwbFgtiEOBpfHF1es88zGM6XQAXW_3d5OE6PNEYSEIkA.2YQq3U2XR3pL661cvU_3Wx5wWbs14hbNYxJMHQ5Cc.bNzZvbz321rwFcnyi2TKLD7dlzVArxG_XWn4Xo4QvXhJKCUy5jxVluG8o3.Nr.vd22U_ypxMtOKJsIaKvsTi.MOZTz4Hydhr5KyplSYKZUfEd.sCdADV58CundOBqksRK4ou7xYBIdLDUiZ.GHwnWcuNlK1QKaeoyxZamBld4AMxOUqTiSQbkBrExRVYjP9iyu_8iTT7c9w9UZSE3Keyvs3DKYkKGRlIwJ4qNPYtTwY6_NlSVPy_O.DnteqnqIHoMlonIaOYbJTtvrfLdeYmSy1oVwl_YFJox5ppFF9wtr_yCksrDPcLiwV6wQ62FJw.FUb2hBe89ab9zFXDMX0y9eaWmAD74cuUUdI_yTikeSOpSivjo6.i9KiZ32Ffii8cGXk818tft9W4WfnADWx3RZIGvyz2LmoHX54TZ1_ACkwbL8fq7eczqDKkCGDYigOZhHD_ZTB7_tsk1KvgCLQ3YoE- Received: from [24.151.191.133] by web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 16:26:25 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 16:26:25 -0800 (PST) From: Andy - KU4XR To: lowfer@mailman.qth.net, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, Part-15 Yahoo , 600 meter group MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: LIVE audio stream of tonites 510 KHz USB net @ 02:00 UTC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d245.1 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : fail Hello all: If I have my filters, and antennas setup correctly, I hope to have good reception of the Sun. night net on 510 KHz - USB at 02:00 UTC. According to Jay - WE2XGR/2, there will be a pre-net audio loop beginning at approximately 01:45 UTC. I will be attempting to run a real-time audio stream of the net over my internet radio server. You can find the audio stream at: http://www.shoutcast.com/Internet-Radio/ku4xr WINAMP is the easiest to use Media player, ITunes also works, others will work also but may need to be associated with .pls files. Just looking forward to having some fun with my gear tonight. The stream is up and running now on 510 KHz USB, feel free to connect. other than the typical radio static, you'll hear NDB " HMY " in Lexington, KY in the background 73 to all :::: Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29866 KHz ( QRSS-60 ) Coordinates: N: 35* 43' 54" - W: 84* 3' 16" http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr http://webpages.charter.net/ku4xr/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc01.mx.aol.com (rly-mc01.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.85]) by air-mc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC043-d544b1961f1a4; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:24:43 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC014-d544b1961f1a4; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:24:35 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGdkX-0001ZG-DO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:23:29 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGdkW-0001Z7-Vi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:23:29 +0000 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGdkV-0008Ni-4z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:23:28 +0000 Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091204192321.GIWJ17277.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 19:23:21 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091204192321.PSYP2093.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 19:23:21 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:23:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B1961A1.20948.11D6E7E@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <1516926426@web.de> References: <1516926426@web.de> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=spfw7PUuAAAA:8 a=Vl3yHg9VrT5IO-eANKUA:9 a=kyyeifdA01OZXf8vtpTRWb_O2O8A:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: QRM by the Waterfall Display Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Horst, Have you just connected your antenna to the MV62, or is the=20 antenna tuned with a loading coil? You will not receive many weak=20 signals until the antenna is properly tuned. It is likely that the=20 local computer QRM will appear much weaker when you have stronger=20 signals down the antenna. Mike, G3XDV =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > still preparing for 136 kHz and 500 kHz RECEPTION I installed a > T-Antenna (about 10m high with a 20m wire as top) to my selective > level meter mv-62. >=20 > DCF 37 as reference is more than strong enough. WRW (NDB Wrozlaw) was > heard on 525 kHz, some other NDB too. But usually the weak HAM signals > in this bands can not be heard/seen because of too much QRM. >=20 > One of the ugliest QRM sources is the waterfall display of ARGO which > can be heard much to loud. >=20 > The QRM is really HF, not a problem of the soundcard. >=20 > I have Siemens Thinkpad Laptop. >=20 > Does anyone know this effect?? >=20 > Horst > ____________________________________________________________________ > Sarah Kreuz, die DSDS-Siegerin der Herzen, mit ihrem eindrucksvollen > Deb=FCtalbum "One Moment in Time". http://produkte.web.de/go/05/ >=20 >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (rly-mg02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.108]) by air-mg04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG043-9f74b3274693b3; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:50:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG021-9f74b3274693b3; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:50:02 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNXC9-00060W-LI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:48:29 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNXC9-00060N-3P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:48:29 +0000 Received: from mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.53]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNXC7-0005Lf-Cj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:48:29 +0000 X-Trace: 313400270/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/80.47.145.146/None/radiodave.g4ged@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 80.47.145.146 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: radiodave.g4ged@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqURAIICMktQL5GS/2dsb2JhbACBRIgIz2GEMwSBZQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,444,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="313400270" Received: from 80-47-145-146.lond-th.dynamic.dial.as9105.com (HELO SN046981320192) ([80.47.145.146]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with SMTP; 23 Dec 2009 19:48:20 +0000 Message-ID: <1A79A99233BC4C6B81CF8FFFA554537A@SN046981320192> From: "G4GED Dave" To: References: Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:48:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Score: 3.6 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: LF: Re: Ropex Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Yes please Victor! 73 Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "blacksheep" > > for who is interested,I just got from Henny,PA3CPM the schematic and the > componentlayout from the Ropex first.I can sent the files to everybody who > is interested, > PA3FNY From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df05.mx.aol.com (rly-df05.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.18]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF073-5514b2f4461195; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 04:48:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF056-5514b2f4461195; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 04:48:18 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMelC-0000WP-JU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:41:02 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMelB-0000WG-MU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:41:01 +0000 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMeq9-0001MM-2H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:46:11 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap0EAC/SLktOkHbq/2dsb2JhbACOCwaOGbZThC4E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,430,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="222793167" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([78.144.118.234]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2009 09:45:42 +0000 Message-ID: <001401ca8222$5ce76d10$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:45:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: LF/MF ACTY Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01CA8222.5CA4BEC0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01CA8222.5CA4BEC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have never heard LF/MF so quiet over the years since it all started.= In the past most of the DX that I have worked was around XMAS time.= The wx at present in Scarborough is minus 2 C and covered in 6 inches= of snow but it is not effecting my antennas so far even although ther= e is some ice on the wires. Now calling CQ on 502.6 kcs and looking for acty also on 137 kcs CW=20 De mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01CA8222.5CA4BEC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have never heard LF/MF so quiet ove= r the years=20 since it all started. In the past most of the DX that I have worked wa= s around=20 XMAS time. The wx at present in Scarborough is minus 2 C and covered= in 6 inches=20 of snow but it is not effecting my antennas so far even although there= is some=20 ice on the wires.
Now calling CQ on 502.6 kcs and looki= ng for acty=20 also on 137 kcs CW
De mal/g3kev
 
 
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([76.23.233.102]) by OMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id K1cB1d0012DDHkk3X1cBpA; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:36:11 +0000 Message-ID: <001e01ca80b0$392cb0b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <346854e9698cbf94f4483c66682bb63b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:36:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: Re: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 >I think the role of the ground with active whips is often neglected - the output of the whip preamp >is the voltage differential between the whip element and the circuit ground, so the ground >connection is just as much part of the antenna as the whip element itself is. That's an important point that is often overlooked or ignored. A mini whip mounted up at 5 meters is a 5 meter antenna. You can easily prove this by mounting it at ground zero on top of a ground screen. Been there, done that. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md07.mx.aol.com (rly-md07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.145]) by air-md03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD031-9164b363d2aa0; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:43:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD076-9164b363d2aa0; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:43:24 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOZio-0005kj-Fd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 16:42:30 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOZio-0005ka-2k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 16:42:30 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOZim-0005C6-3M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 16:42:30 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBQGgQTG018750 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:42:26 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:42:26 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:42:29 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AD01@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AD00@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF/MF Thread-Index: AcqGGFYF9XxzmBnkSPGa7Jdvc9EERwAMDxCQAABsNKA= From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.647;26.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.26.162716 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: LF: AW: LF/MF X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Oh, now i can see why ;-) "LF:" is inserted automatically... 73... =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von Stefan Sch=E4fer Gesendet: Samstag, 26. Dezember 2009 17:36 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: LF/MF Why are the topics affecting 500 kHz not marked as "MF: ..." in the subjec= t? I thought this is the reason why we write "LF: ..." in the subject of mail= s affecting 137 kHZ? Or have I misunderstood "the rules"? Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf03.mx.aol.com (rly-mf03.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.173]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF082-9504b1b715c340; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 03:55:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF036-9504b1b715c340; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 03:54:54 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHCsN-0003EV-MB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 08:53:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHCsN-0003EM-4L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 08:53:55 +0000 Received: from 113-mo2-8.acn.waw.pl ([62.121.95.113] helo=paranoid.lipkowski.org) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHCsM-0005PK-8o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 08:53:55 +0000 Received: from paranoid.lipkowski.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id nB68sS0L023570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 09:54:28 +0100 Received: from localhost (sq5bpf@localhost) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.6/Submit) with ESMTP id nB68sSmG023567 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 09:54:28 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: paranoid.lipkowski.org: sq5bpf owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 09:54:28 +0100 (CET) From: Jacek Lipkowski To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4B1B6D13.70009@online.fr> Message-ID: References: <4B1B6D13.70009@online.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score-sq5bpf: -2.601 () BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: W on 137.779kHz Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="17435139-605945682-1260089668=:17420" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --17435139-605945682-1260089668=:17420 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Sun, 6 Dec 2009, "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 (F1AFJ)" wrote: > Hi Jacek , Laurence , LF > I confirm "W" on 137.779 ! I think that it is UA4WPF . > Also trace of "Y" on 137.778 , RA3YO ??? the Y is clearly visible here also:=20 http://acid.ch.pw.edu.pl/~sq5bpf/grabber/ i wish beaconing stations would announce beforehand, so that we know who= =20 we are receiving :) 73 Jacek / SQ5BPF --17435139-605945682-1260089668=:17420-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (rly-mb03.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.161]) by air-mb01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB013-cfb4b1978dc25e; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:02:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB037-cfb4b1978dc25e; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:02:21 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGfH3-0002Di-J4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:01:09 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGfH3-0002DZ-3j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:01:09 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGfH1-0000Uq-Eo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:01:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 2240 invoked by uid 507); 4 Dec 2009 22:00:43 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 22:00:43 +0100 Message-ID: <200912042200570285.01038188@smtp2.numeo.fr> In-Reply-To: <778502A52141494DA85FD6F121E71A01@lindavideo> References: <000a01ca74ff$163eb010$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <778502A52141494DA85FD6F121E71A01@lindavideo> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:00:57 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: FUSE TEST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On 04/12/2009 at 20:22 Ken wrote: >The ceramic fuses in 13A plug tops usually have a 100% overload >capabiliy, this was also the case for some of the BT fuses. > >Ken >de M0KHW I believe they are supposed to be able to clear 7000A short circuit (in ca= se the installation is too close to the substation). John F5VLF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (rly-dd02.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.149]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD021-b5f4b1fa4d6146; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:23:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD021-b5f4b1fa4d6146; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:23:36 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIMVG-0001Lw-G0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:22:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIMVG-0001Ln-3W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:22:50 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate05.web.de ([217.72.192.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIMVE-0002tS-Uv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:22:50 +0000 Received: from web.de by fmmailgate05.web.de (Postfix) with SMTP id D1A425CE3ABC for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 14:22:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from [88.76.59.99] by freemailng2503.web.de with HTTP; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:22:42 +0100 Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:22:42 +0100 Message-Id: <1527851280@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?iso-8859-15?Q?Horst_St=F6cker?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-Provags-Id: V01U2FsdGVkX19UxG5syjsDDsdqnmXw8X2PMbyKqWDlALFONR3mXrbR6+IBP zA6T3PRg1gCPUHGr4aUoxkSJf7N3o09UzHsr8XKDTdGjVkX5MaHgqG2Y4lv+ A== X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: SAQ Testing Now Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) SAQ seems to continue testing now . . . Horst > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: "M0FMT" > Gesendet: 09.12.09 14:14:18 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: Re: LF: SAQ Testing Now > Maybe too late but nothing heard hear IO91UX Hitchin Herts UK. .....=20 > Four Alpha stations loud and clear a bit further down the band though. > .... Conditions have improved ! >=20 > 73 Petefmt >=20 > --- On *Wed, 9/12/09, Johan H. Bodin * wrote: >=20 > From: Johan H. Bodin > Subject: Re: LF: SAQ Testing Now > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 12:46 >=20 > Still testing at 1247 UTC > Johan SM6LKM >=20 > Lee Hudson wrote: > > 17.2kHz > >=20 > > Lee. > > M0LMH. >=20 >=20 >=20 ______________________________________________________ GRATIS f=FCr alle WEB.DE-Nutzer: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://movieflat.web.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf06.mx.aol.com (rly-mf06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.176]) by air-mf02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF023-9654b373d423dd; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 05:56:09 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF063-9654b373d423dd; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 05:56:03 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOqmD-0001tX-P9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:55:09 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOqmD-0001tO-3r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:55:09 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOqmA-00069r-JX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:55:09 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBRAt5jx013673 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 11:55:05 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 11:55:05 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 11:55:09 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AD05@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <80578.2091.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Thread-Index: AcqGjK03oSDfI/A1TTSg8mxcRwCG4AAVgSNA From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.647;26.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.27.104526 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA86E3.0C1793AF" Subject: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_90_100, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA86E3.0C1793AF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Alan, tnx, i have printed your article and will read it now at breakfas= t ;-) =20 Perhaps I will come back with some questions... J =20 73, Stefan/DK7FC -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von ALAN MELIA Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Dezember 2009 01:32 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna =20 Hi Stephan yes the aerialls will be very close compared with the wavelengt= h so they will interact particularly is tuned. We did some measurements ar= Finbar's location several years ago http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/aecouple.htm=20 The interaction was measured on an antenna RF bridge, and demonstrates th= e coupling between two wires. Best Wishes Alan G3NYK =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA86E3.0C1793AF Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Alan,= tnx, i have printed your article and will read it now at breakfast ;-)

 

Perhaps= I will come back with some questions… J

 

73, Stef= an/DK7FC

-----Urspr=FCngl= iche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org] Im Auftrag von ALAN= MELIA
Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Deze= mber 2009 01:32
An: rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org
Betreff: Re: LF: Influence= of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna

 

Hi Stephan yes the aerialls will= be very close compared with the wavelength so they will interact particularly is tuned= . We did some measurements ar Finbar's location several years ago
http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/aecouple.htm

The interaction was measured on an antenna  RF bridge, and demonstr= ates the coupling between two wires.

Best Wishes
Alan G3NYK

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01CA86E3.0C1793AF-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df11.mx.aol.com (rly-df11.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.24]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF011-58e4b2ed0d37c; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:35:30 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df11.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF117-58e4b2ed0d37c; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:35:17 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMX5B-0008NZ-FW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 01:29:09 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMX5A-0008NQ-VP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 01:29:09 +0000 Received: from web63601.mail.re1.yahoo.com ([69.147.97.71]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMX9w-0007n0-QY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 01:34:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 11799 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Dec 2009 01:33:58 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1261359238; bh=Ahtd2g94Pnjg0c+VVEjZG6LJv7MEifDYrcl0/IMqXGY=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QY4G9Vu2jjIhXd7oHjT9nwNYyyL/0pI0pkVOPSe8SMqd81SPsbkB9Wk4W6SnUwsMn0GCry+TlTbqu6kR/Pxg1vU7XmxL/Bw571coLJ/3WwR7MoK1YtVDnTXLZGzawX2j56+eo/37dPslDimwbyVp2I4Vk8BiAkBgkY8vrbp8CA0= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Px+Vm6JiAjsfKZJ8G1yj4Fu7SaPcQm/TVm5DFfEyxtPGWvb6c0qpxp8/lxlC9A2TOPXvq8E8j77ijiBTa3eERoY02Li7iCGxMWi3kgqi0s67JX6a4LHA5nCzeT3KPzyxYf1xJykZw9eX449jK5RBbxnKkM/PF+4kGEX05qnPWl0=; Message-ID: <920501.11676.qm@web63601.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: h_.nJowVM1m.i14OoeBtbVWs4WMMWg9hoGr5sNOtK.0odi00KSmmC.ef.2bqX4JnE7zNsNxAaX5pqNCk1RIMZ5fV2sJXA7qq7zIPKTOevGC9ePq1UiulHRAwOCnQ5qicRIswqDOWqOWdUK.TlZ8NpIRH_Ug4SZ8DoT4mtyOEbpYH3ds7lSGrNe3OPo1IZHkEsXGot_SOnNaVFXnORsquPaLdUleR1N68lCFUk5pN6pZy6O3rCgLpPOtyGOfaEhUCieB6.brK57sWHv9MOHZvLrjwbGSK4sk15fgnVeq1tByts7vfYnl5sqagPpX5SodtOman9ZWjvxJln79Bk7RniIo_r.yJM8FNx3RuphKYVHzq_7d9Ih4v9NO.yB6A_6nCOZceqz_ijc6mjuPb0UakJ47guC2brXevMG2JeirqcrnlFL7E8.kEtaSUkUsTIsjEYRpWFTUe3u_jREzl1S1t.zS60szKwGtcd5RT Received: from [24.151.191.133] by web63601.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:33:58 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:33:58 -0800 (PST) From: Andy - KU4XR To: " European & UK\) and MedFer bandsDiscussion of the Lowfer \(US" , rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, Part-15 Yahoo , 600 meter group In-Reply-To: <953616.19379.qm@web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: bad (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: LIVE audio stream of tonites 510 KHz USB net @ 02:00 UTC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d236.2 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : fail Reception is getting stronger now as the evening goes by. NDB " HMY " in Lexington, OK ( not KY ) rising to very strong levels. Even beginning to hear NDB " OF " in Norfolk, NE in the background. I am trying an experiment with my LOWfer vertical, and HF Dipoles. I have a series of coils wired togetehr in a series configuration. I tapped the vertical for maximum signals, on one end if the coils. Then on the other end started tapping until I found the point of best S/N ratio. May not be a true noise cancelling setup but seems to be working. Hope the guys in the North East come in good tonite, we'll see: Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29866 KHz ( QRSS-60 ) Coordinates: N: 35* 43' 54" - W: 84* 3' 16" http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr http://webpages.charter.net/ku4xr/ > > http://www.shoutcast.com/Internet-Radio/ku4xr > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.74]) by air-di02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI021-eaba4b24ba4c2ce; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 04:56:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7C2B6380000B4; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 04:56:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJlAS-0001aH-U1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:55:08 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJlAS-0001a6-DD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:55:08 +0000 Received: from psmtp08.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.22]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJlAt-00020b-M4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:55:37 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp08.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KUL0037N4WH1E@psmtp08.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:55:30 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:55:30 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <92615D39595E416F9C5C499EA195F852@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: XKO 13-12.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_jabnrNQL2ArwsKVjOiIkXQ)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/59368 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404a4b24ba4b621e X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: scan_error X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --Boundary_(ID_jabnrNQL2ArwsKVjOiIkXQ) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_oX8lv56fqCp4iHow07JNEA)" --Boundary_(ID_oX8lv56fqCp4iHow07JNEA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi LF, Capture Xko? 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Hi LF,
Capture Xko?
Henny pa3cpm
best 73s
Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld.
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Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) On Mon, 7 Dec 2009, Paul-Henrik wrote: > [...] Luxembourg effect, transmitter IMD or just me missing the point? maybe just mixing by some rusty junction? (long rusty fence or something similar) does the imd vary when the weather is dry, and suddenly rain falls? jacek From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me03.mx.aol.com (rly-me03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.36]) by air-me10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME104-9a64b24caadf3; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 06:06:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME032-9a64b24caadf3; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 06:06:22 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJmFn-0002Jw-1Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:04:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJmFm-0002Jn-6w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:04:42 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJmG8-0003KZ-SJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:05:08 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so1541336bwz.4 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:05:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=MemKwgQN7+fNvusb9BsGZOJ9XtuKyg7bZ69cYMd8jbc=; b=VqMr2BKbAGwxv/TcCgcDyDC/JzF27Or9/jbmeNoSLNI2921+KriqDwkQ2e6aaLgvgy 86WGUNvml3KYlknPm3bOiOOl59qaapFiDzA7QuUjhDrOEW51RPWmS8lUTidCa8c44Qlz 7YpuvC58Oab6ciuMIbI5nmhRwCNF2Vg5IKf5E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=mWFTfdqBpMEtWBH78AAwFhDE14IREdb5lvwFonc7WjUDSXrCrO1WUG/7AcBt7miqXK EJ02kwCawAYjRyi6Lhx7WwvNwdS6yeRcW6XQf7hw7FGSQ1AEA2b0z2KH0P+vDl+lo9pW YKWjDJKtJt7hIckzCJjnUR+6he26bAXu9zCKY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.154.209 with SMTP id p17mr2035157bkw.104.1260702302914; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:05:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <241919.87622.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> <241919.87622.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:05:02 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2640912130305r3acb5e5fs991caaa1115d2255@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<< Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cd0eaeeca2e047a9a201b X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m225.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0015175cd0eaeeca2e047a9a201b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yes, 10MHz would be a better choice. I used 28MHz as it allowed both 136 and 500kHz transversion (is that a real word?) from within a single ham band with the same transverter (apart from PA filter) with a ham band only TX radio like the FT817. Using a TXCO of course would be an added aid to stability. The transverter unit was going to be finally boxed yesterday but we have been "grandson sitting" this weekend as mum and dad are poorly and now my wife has gone done with the same tummy bug as well! 73s Roger G3XBM 2009/12/10 ALAN MELIA > Hi Roger yes you are right of course its the drift within a qso period or > even an over that is most important. Very Good. > > I wonder whether the use of 10MHz as an "IF" would be a possibility? This > would allow readily available TCXOs or even OCXOs to be used for the LO. I > guess the split should be enough to allow your filter/diplexor to work. It > obviously only removes one source of drift, one cant do much about the 817, > but that also should be less at 10MHz? > > Alan G3NYK > > --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Roger Lapthorn wrote: > > > From: Roger Lapthorn > > Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<< > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 23:27 > > With the transverter "in the > > open" (rat's nest) on the desktop there is a > > warm-up drift of about 40Hz HF until things settle down. > > This has not been an issue with WSPR as the drift in a > > single TX slot is only about 1-2Hz usually (WSPR copes with > > this) and it soon settles down to 0Hz drift. I have not > > tried QRSS but imagine you'd have to ensure the xtal > > oscillator is made more thermally stable for v.slow QRSS, > > but would guess it would be OK for some moderate QRSS > > operation. Putting the whole unit in a box should help. > > > > > > My little circuit works, but is surely capable of much > > improvement, HI. > > > > 73s > > Roger G3XBM > > > > 2009/12/9 ALAN MELIA > > > > Sounds good Roger and Graham... > > what it the stability like the problem with > > transverters/upconverters normally is that while ok for some > > modes they are often not stable enough for the very weak > > signal modes. These are modes where you need to know the > > frequency of a station very accurately because you will not > > hear it, or it will only pop above the noise for short > > periods. > > > > > > > > > > Alan G3NYK > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Graham > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Graham > > > > > Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter > > >>DATA MODES<< > > > > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > > > > Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 22:13 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All > > > > > > > > > > This latest > > > > > addition to the > > > > > HF / MF tx convertor opens the door > > > > > to data > > > > > communications on 500 ... ranging from > > > > > 'all' the K1JT systems > > > > > through to the single carrier > > > > > multi tone > > > > > systems of > > > > > MFSK , DOMINO and THOR .. even > > > > > the almost > > > > > forgotten Amtor-arq and Packtor modes , anyone > > > > > still have > > > > > there pk232 > > > > > > > > > > listed are > > > > > data modes that may be used with > > > > > non-linear systems :- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/meat-grinder-comms > > > > > > > > > > G.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Roger > > > > > Lapthorn > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 12:20 AM > > > > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX > > > > > transverter > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > My WSPR tx up-converter has now been modified to > > > > > a full TX/RX tranverter suitable for WSPR, QRSS and > > > > > CW in a > > > > > very simple way, making use of the FT817 split > > > > > facility which allows you > > > > > to RX on 500kHz and TX on 28MHz. By adding a series > > LC > > > > > between the TX PA and the > > > > > FT817 input/output RF connection (with back-to-back > > diodes > > > > > at the L and C > > > > > junction, this allows "pass through" from > > the > > > > > 500kHz ATU to the FT817 on RX > > > > > (tuned to 500kHz). On TX, the diodes conduct and the C > > part > > > > > is in parallel with > > > > > the first cap in the TX low pass filter. This scheme > > is now > > > > > working really well > > > > > with good RX sensitivity and no change in TX power > > out. > > > > > > > > > > Schematic of the > > > > > transverter is on my blog at http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > > > > > . My > > > > > attempt to add it as an attachment to an email here > > earlier > > > > > failed. > > > > > > > > > > This more or less concludes my 500kHz experimenting, > > apart > > > > > from > > > > > getting a few more CW QSOs in the log. It's been > > great > > > > > fun all the way with lots > > > > > of support from folks here. I was going to try 136kHz, > > but > > > > > think I will now give > > > > > this a miss for now. > > > > > > > > > > 73s > > > > > Roger G3XBM > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > > > > > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > > > > > G3XBM > > > > > GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > > > > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > > > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0015175cd0eaeeca2e047a9a201b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, 10MHz would be a better choice. I used 28MHz as it allowed both 136= and 500kHz transversion (is that a real word?) from within a single ham= band with the same transverter (apart from PA filter) with a ham band onl= y TX radio like the FT817. Using a TXCO of course would be an added aid to= stability.

The transverter unit was going to be finally boxed yesterday but we ha= ve been "grandson sitting" this weekend as mum and dad are poorl= y and now my wife has gone done with the same tummy bug as well!

73= s
Roger G3XBM


2009/12/10 ALAN MELIA <alan.meli= a@btinternet.com>
Hi Roger yes you are right of course its the drift within a qso period or= even an over that is most important. Very Good.

I wonder whether the use of 10MHz as an "IF" would be a possibil= ity? This would allow readily available TCXOs or even OCXOs to be used for= the LO. I guess the split should be enough to allow your filter/diplexor= to work. It obviously only removes one source of drift, one cant do much= about the 817, but that also should be less at 10MHz?

Alan G3NYK

--- On Wed, 9/12/09, Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Roger Lapthorn <r= ogerlapthorn@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODE= S<<
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 23:27
> With the transverter "in the > open" (rat's nest) on the desktop there is a
> warm-up drift of about 40Hz HF until things settle down.
> This has not been an issue with WSPR as the drift in a
> single TX slot is only about 1-2Hz usually (WSPR copes with
> this) and it soon settles down to 0Hz drift. I have not
> tried QRSS but imagine you'd have to ensure the xtal
> oscillator is made more thermally stable for v.slow QRSS,
> but would guess it would be OK for some moderate QRSS
> operation. Putting the whole unit in a box should help.
>
>
> My little circuit works, but is surely capable of much
> improvement, HI.
>
> 73s
> Roger G3XBM
>
> 2009/12/9 ALAN MELIA <alan.melia@btinternet.com>
>
> Sounds good Roger and Graham...
> what it the stability like the problem with
> transverters/upconverters normally is that while ok for some
> modes they are =A0often not stable enough for the very weak
> signal modes. These are modes where you need to know the
> frequency of a station very accurately because you will not
> hear it, or it will only pop above the noise for short
> periods.
>
>
>
>
> Alan G3NYK
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > From: Graham <g8fz= k@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
>
> > Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter
> >>DATA MODES<<
>
> > To: rsgb_lf_grou= p@blacksheep.org
>
> > Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 22:13
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > All
>
> >
>
> > This =A0latest
>
> > addition to =A0the
>
> > HF / MF =A0tx convertor =A0opens the =A0door
>
> > to =A0data
>
> > communications =A0on 500 ... ranging =A0from
>
> > 'all' =A0the K1JT systems
>
> > through to =A0the =A0single carrier
>
> > multi =A0tone
>
> > systems =A0of
>
> > MFSK =A0, =A0DOMINO and THOR =A0.. even
>
> > the =A0almost
>
> > forgotten =A0Amtor-arq =A0and Packtor modes , anyone
>
> > still =A0have
>
> > there pk232
>
> >
>
> > listed =A0are
>
> > data =A0modes that =A0may be =A0used with
>
> > non-linear systems :-
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/m= eat-grinder-comms
>
> >
>
> > G..
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > From: Roger
>
> > Lapthorn
>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 12:20 AM
>
> > To: rsgb_lf_grou= p@blacksheep.org
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX
>
> > transverter
>
> >
>
> > Dear All,
>
> >
>
> > My WSPR tx up-converter has now been modified to
>
> > a full TX/RX tranverter suitable for WSPR, QRSS and
>
> > CW =A0in a
>
> > very simple way, making use of the FT817 split
>
> > facility which allows you
>
> > to RX on 500kHz and TX on 28MHz. By adding a series
> LC
>
> > between the TX PA and the
>
> > FT817 input/output RF connection (with back-to-back
> diodes
>
> > at the L and C
>
> > junction, this allows "pass through" from
> the
>
> > 500kHz ATU to the FT817 on RX
>
> > (tuned to 500kHz). On TX, the diodes conduct and the C
> part
>
> > is in parallel with
>
> > the first cap in the TX low pass filter. This scheme
> is now
>
> > working really well
>
> > with good RX sensitivity and no change in TX power
> out.
>
> >
>
> > Schematic of the
>
> > transverter is on my blog at http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
>
> > . My
>
> > attempt to add it as an attachment to an email here
> earlier
>
> > failed.
>
> >
>
> > This more or less concludes my 500kHz experimenting,
> apart
>
> > from
>
> > getting a few more CW QSOs in the log. It's been
> great
>
> > fun all the way with lots
>
> > of support from folks here. I was going to try 136kHz,
> but
>
> > think I will now give
>
> > this a miss for now.
>
> >
>
> > 73s
>
> > Roger G3XBM
>
> > --
>
> >
>
> >
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > htt= p://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
>
> > http://www.= g3xbm.co.uk
>
> > G3XBM
>
> > =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> http://g= 3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
> http://www.g3xbm= .co.uk
>
> G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088
>
>




--
----------= ---------------------------------------------------
http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088
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England -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Oberreiter Oswald Sent: 28 December 2009 15:22 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: OE5ODL hallo stefan! servus ja das waren mit dem 2watt text 2 watt in ,an der antenne nacher die 5er waren ca 70 watt in ok ja dann noch viel spass und einen guten rutsch awdh 55 dx mit deiner hohen antenne servus de oe5odl Stefan Schfer schrieb: > Hey Ossi, > I just saw your 2W test on the DF6NM Grabber. 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Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKnlc-0008W8-13 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 06:53:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKnlb-0008Vz-Nj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 06:53:47 +0000 Received: from mail-out4.netspace.net.au ([203.10.110.77] helo=smtp.netspace.net.au) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKnnJ-0002oC-D5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 06:55:36 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (220-253-100-202.TAS.netspace.net.au [220.253.100.202]) by smtp.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2DEE43763F3 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:55:49 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <4B28846F.8010504@netspace.net.au> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:55:43 +1100 From: Richard Rogers User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: General Electric Review 1920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) G'day. There's a copy of the General Electric Review on Ebay at the moment which contains articles about the Anderson alternator and aerial system as used at SAQ. See http://shop.ebay.com.au/rdc1601/m.html?_dmd=1&_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1 -- 73, Ric, VK7RO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.17]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF063-5ef84b39ccab24; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 04:32:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C1DBB380000BC; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 04:32:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPYQ9-00089n-Mo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 09:31:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPYQ9-00089e-91 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 09:31:17 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPYQ7-0002d2-AO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 09:31:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 2381 invoked by uid 507); 29 Dec 2009 10:31:00 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2009 10:31:00 +0100 Message-ID: <200912291031040414.59AABDD1@smtp2.numeo.fr> In-Reply-To: <000f01ca7fc2$c666f6a0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> References: <1542517694@web.de> <6F962616C1CC4C1B844AF099CB1BB55D@lindavideo> <000f01ca7fc2$c666f6a0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:31:04 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41114b39ccaa31e5 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Agreed we should be careful. My Creative Labs soundcard (external USB) ha= s SPDIF optical connectors as well as electrical. The Optical Out connect= or emits a faint red light but I can't find any mention of safety in the= user manual. F5VLF *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 18/12/2009 at 09:16 mal hamilton wrote: >Radio Amateurs BEWARE - Appliance Operators DO NOT TOUCH > >G3KEV > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ken" >To: >Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 10:43 AM >Subject: LF: Re: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX >signals > > >> Optical fibres are fine for transmission and remove all the problems of >> interference and cross talk at a stroke, but please be careful and >observe >> optical safety precautions when using lasers and other light sources.= I >> worked on optical systems for many years during my time with BT, and >optical >> safety took priority over every thing else. All optical fibres need to >have >> a perfect cleave on the ends, and the connectors be absolutely clean,= if >> you are not launching into an optical connector then alignment will be= a >> problem, similarly at the receive end. >> >> >> 73. >> Ken >> >> M0KHW >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Horst St=F6cker" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:01 AM >> Subject: LF: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX >signals >> >> >> In theory it's a good Idea which I had some weeks before without workin= g >it >> out. >> >> Years before I also have made tests with FTA (free to air) optical >> transmissions with a DL2CH-Transceiver and a TRX-Kit by Aatis which is >quite >> much simpler. >> Even with that it was no problem to link between two points about a few >> meters. >> >> In this case you should think about an IR-LED. Unfortunately, the Aatis >> receiver has a photo transistor instead of a diode. But it should be no >> great deal to modify that. >> >> The problems with FTA optic transmission for this application are imho: >> - You have to be sure, that no one can be injured by the laser beam, >> especially at unattended operation. >> - Think about how many hours/the beam has it's full power before becomi= ng >> much weaker. >> - The optics must be kept clean. This could be a problem if the units= are >> out of reach. >> - The units have to be mounted absolutely stable. For Example, on a >swinging >> fibre rod you'll never bring a laser beam exactly to the rx area. >> >> I bet, (FTA) optical transmission just changes one problem with a few >> others. >> >> But the transmission with optical cable seems interesting. >> >> What type of cable do you suggest? I do not think, my TOS-Link cable >would >> stand weather/UV and mechanical conditions outside for a long time. >> >> Horst DO1KHS >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! >> http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ >> >> >> >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (rly-dd09.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.156]) by air-dd05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD053-b9b4b333d2e28c; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 05:06:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD095-b9b4b333d2e28c; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 05:06:40 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNkZf-0007nl-GE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:05:39 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNkZf-0007nc-49 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:05:39 +0000 Received: from smtp01.online.nl ([194.134.41.31]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNkZd-0000VW-9W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:05:39 +0000 Received: from smtp01.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp01.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E6CF8E06E for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:05:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp01.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:05:35 +0100 (CET) From: To: Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:05:35 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1A79A99233BC4C6B81CF8FFFA554537A@SN046981320192> X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp01.online.nl) X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: RE: Re: Ropex Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Send it to you directly 73 Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens G4GED Dave Verzonden: woensdag 23 december 2009 20:48 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: Re: Ropex Yes please Victor! 73 Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "blacksheep" > > for who is interested,I just got from Henny,PA3CPM the schematic and the > componentlayout from the Ropex first.I can sent the files to everybody who > is interested, > PA3FNY From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg08.mx.aol.com (rly-dg08.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.92]) by air-dg07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG074-5e34b223b6e324; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 07:30:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG082-5e34b223b6e324; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 07:30:40 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ4ci-0006KZ-Fi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:29:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ4ci-0006KQ-3G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:29:28 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ4ch-00007T-Gb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:29:28 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBBAnhvv014024 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:49:44 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:29:25 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:29:21 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC12@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <1260444821.6353.65.camel@vaio3rd> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Thread-Index: Acp5jU7JedRlLtPOSkaTwV6z1rGGMQAz57uw From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.616;10.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.11.121526 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear LF,=20 Does anybody know about the "gain" between QRSS3 and QRSS10 or QRSS30? I= mean, if the noise in both cases is equal, how much can I reduce my tx pw= r when switching from qrss3 to qrss10? Or isn't it possible to give such= a relation? And: Was there ever a TA QSO in QRSS3? I am new on the reflector, sri ;-) Stefan / DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (rly-mc03.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.87]) by air-mc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC072-d634b253f6f323; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:24:37 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC033-d634b253f6f323; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:24:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJu1Z-0007oh-94 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:22:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJu1Y-0007oY-UA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:22:32 +0000 Received: from mx34.mail.ru ([94.100.176.48]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJu26-0005sI-3S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:23:08 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=22088 helo=EFREMOV) by mx34.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NJu25-000ATI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:23:05 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <00d301ca7c29$aa8c5f70$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: References: <286ACBB4A14E40BD9C16AFC9DBD0953B@ns94d01ae4d850> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:22:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: AGC OE5 12-12.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Thanks Henny! 73 Andrey > Capture Agc Oe5 > heny pa3cpm > 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: > AGC OE5 12-12.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde > bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden > afgehandeld. > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (rly-mg10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.116]) by air-mg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG064-a3c4b1e806671; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:36:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG106-a3c4b1e806671; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:35:53 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NI31X-0006GE-KD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:34:51 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NI31X-0006G5-3k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:34:51 +0000 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NI31V-0000lU-5C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:34:51 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwEAIwOHktZ8eyJ/2dsb2JhbACOFQbLM4QyBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,363,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="287285646" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.241.236.137]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 08 Dec 2009 16:33:27 +0000 Message-ID: <001e01ca7824$2a1fbfc0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:33:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Beacons Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA7824.29E68750" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA7824.29E68750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Several beacons observed at present 1600 utc, one strange one is WC WC= vy strong 503.5 kcs Other ham beacons from DL, SM, LA G de g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA7824.29E68750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Several beacons observed at present= 1600 utc, one=20 strange one is WC WC vy strong 503.5 kcs
Other ham beacons from DL, SM, LA G
de g3kev
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA7824.29E68750-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df02.mx.aol.com (rly-df02.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.15]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF014-5304b212b501a1; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:10:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF023-5304b212b501a1; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:09:38 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NImVJ-0003UZ-Es for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:08:37 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NImVI-0003UQ-Ul for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:08:36 +0000 Received: from web28101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.121]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NImVI-0001zO-Pi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:08:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 91697 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Dec 2009 17:08:31 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1260464911; bh=BhUhgEjlMDRQqm1LMEFgvuHh1ZunKK/JJESed91NbLM=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=L9OqelavRNIKukzWCUDZ6N5KaEY7oEyp3XLVsKh7jNML63uHwMaGGWNEPAwjROkBxIUs8ZcCr7SyxlwZoiQGm7nqy7F130VQaZtklwRCK/S+YCJ30yZO833yRxu2tc/uzn1S9L1J+VHcmX1exgR1an+MXgeF2ZAKri4bpg+fGsY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uTBKw1qef9+ynMsHdtKPKoIfbPN8Oa1v7M1sJTyG35FlZF8AnEPmt1sDV8cSx+4ThQVPlpqWa7PCTV5n9byIecwt32NxDKFhE4IgfB0l4YtqteCHBRWvr6dGCrtsd+jphOD5tyLaFz2ZfQGiHF9wfBsNY54KoxSs9SbEqh7nCsg=; Message-ID: <188094.91471.qm@web28101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: PuqmxG8VM1mgA396g.9AjTjRW5QJI34TTE.SUg7yacxqUN42OIiGty8zqpXh76pyhP22N46VshMxR_fy3A5GH0Tsx7xphKcU7MBZEcbW0ohsrDyApbg4UnQKH0SJMtKzv4yPb1a72YwHTibdOkrmkzCZ4PoWWEmm16I4Inwv8frSXoxQXl2Fmtssm0EmywrrT_aYQhvTeRECiSY8DMn3ShAXwwh38zsbKtnnTTUDIpij0dAgRaAoK8UKQIfNi4iVBZjw20tPON1YQIHCX98- Received: from [86.130.60.127] by web28101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:08:31 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:08:31 +0000 (GMT) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <200912101715590351.01D55848@smtp2.numeo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: Geneva and WRC-12 Agenda Items Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1497185761-1260464911=:91471" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m258.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-1497185761-1260464911=:91471 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi John =A0 Just to make it clear, in case my local Tax man is also a Radio Amateur in= terested in LF and subscribes to this reflector. The "cheque" is to cover= the International signed for 'extortionate' postal costs between=A0the UK= and=A0France, fellow members of the EU. It is apparently an Airmail servi= ce I guess=A0via the Pole, the=A0South Pole judging by the=A0time it has= taken (almost 7 Days)! =A0 Well=A0I am glad it has arrived and my job is done. =A0 73 and enjoy in good health Petefmt. --- On Thu, 10/12/09, John RABSON wrote: From: John RABSON Subject: Re: LF: Geneva and WRC-12 Agenda Items To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thursday, 10 December, 2009, 16:15 Hi Pete, It arrived yesterday, just as I was taking my XYL out to celebrate our wed= ding anniversary.=A0 I have now unpacked the parcel. Many thanks for all your efforts.=A0 I have subscribed to the soft rock Ya= hoo group and realise I have a lot to learn. Cheque sent to you (Oh dear!=A0 that sounds like "our cheque is in the pos= t"). 73 John *********** REPLY SEPARATOR=A0 *********** On 10/12/2009 at 06:54 M0FMT wrote: >Hi John >=A0 >Have you received my parcel yet,=A0with the soft rock ? >=A0 >73 petefmt =20 --0-1497185761-1260464911=:91471 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi John
 
Just to make it clear, in case my local Tax man is also a Radio Amate= ur interested in LF and subscribes to this refle= ctor. The "cheque" is to cover the International signed for 'extortionate'= postal costs between the UK and France, fellow members of the= EU. It is apparently an Airmail service I guess via the Pole, the&nb= sp;South Pole judging by the time it has taken (almost 7 Days)!
 
Well I am glad it has arrived and my job is done.
 
73 and enjoy in good health Petefmt.


--- On Thu, 10/12/09, John RABSON <john.rabson@numeo= .fr> wrote:

From: John RABSON <john.rabson@numeo.fr>=
Subject: Re: LF: Geneva and WRC-12 Agenda Items
To: rsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org
Date: Thursday, 10 December, 2009, 16:15

Hi Pete,

It arrived yesterday, just as I was= taking my XYL out to celebrate our wedding anniversary.  I have now= unpacked the parcel.

Many thanks for all your efforts.  I hav= e subscribed to the soft rock Yahoo group and realise I have a lot to lear= n.

Cheque sent to you (Oh dear!  that sounds like "our cheque= is in the post").

73
John

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR&nb= sp; ***********

On 10/12/2009 at 06:54 M0FMT wrote:

>Hi= John
> 
>Have you received my parcel yet, with the= soft rock ?
> 
>73 petefmt





=20 --0-1497185761-1260464911=:91471-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (rly-dd03.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.150]) by air-dd06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD062-b674b34bd9c2d8; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 08:27:13 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD031-b674b34bd9c2d8; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 08:26:54 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOAB3-0002U1-IZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:25:57 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOAB3-0002Ts-3g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:25:57 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOAB1-0007Rr-9S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:25:57 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so5885554bwz.4 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 05:25:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=p56CBt7vHInsEEAExrFhZTl2uxv7K4+qLi1C+UZWK2A=; b=WAEEZSKrI5kuW9Hh3qxentocnxr0xXDD++KJitaERqJjvcyxF1ca+i9z55oHjF8ox8 L5R8g7DLZSxLdTcGa+bn0igIkGlUivtNO8VbBsTB5hd3RAJEb3SVHFD0XBg3h6jMg7wS UOSXDEMsXBkuvUY1ZEsDn8g6MORZ7umVIlNl0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=V3K3py+PtVJJ5sutUaUnE+SNkaAeFIGKVNZ6zEmdHcuA8mTg4AFUcIIZ7D5kvXjm6O wzllSHeq0ejo1K75o0WpdTNRcMH+hFVOin9Z8aaPAVAfIJrhqyyEep+iynfVIsNuY9HP Pqe2kma1PajrAPuSXEa7JfaZ25EZXfAvwtJ74= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.15.11 with SMTP id i11mr4598044bka.9.1261747547606; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 05:25:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <539203.98380.qm@web28101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <6949F910A2A945058B164FC3443B420B@JimPC> <539203.98380.qm@web28101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:25:47 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2640912250525l14e4aaf7y6006a537a8ad102@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: Re: LF: Tnx fer Xmas day QSO G3KEV es XIZ; HNY to all. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325558ee25f1252047b8d7e55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m222.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000325558ee25f1252047b8d7e55 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 A very happy Christmas to everyone here. Thank you all for your encouragement and help on 500kHz these last few months. I hope Father Christmas brought you lots of nice ham gear/books and the New Year brings you lots of good DX and much happiness. No 500kHz activity at the moment as I'm with my son and his family in Kent. Back on tomorrow. 73s Roger G3XBM Unable to be on the air at the moment as we are in Canterbury with our son's family. 2009/12/25 M0FMT > > Hi Mal es Chris tnx fer nice Xmas morning QSOs. > > Raising a pint of Fullers right now to u both .....cheers! > > 73 es GL petefmt > > > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --000325558ee25f1252047b8d7e55 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A very happy Christmas to everyone here.

Thank you all for your en= couragement and help on 500kHz these last few months. I hope Father Christ= mas brought you lots of nice ham gear/books and the New Year brings you lo= ts of good DX and much happiness.

No 500kHz activity at the moment as I'm with my son and his family= in Kent. Back on tomorrow.

73s
Roger G3XBM


Unable to= be on the air at the moment as we are in Canterbury with our son's fa= mily.

2009/12/25 M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
=A0
Hi Mal es Chris tnx fer nice Xmas=A0morning QSOs.
=A0
Raising a pint of Fullers right now to u both .....cheers!

73= es GL petefmt

=A0




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http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088
--000325558ee25f1252047b8d7e55-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de10.mx.aol.com (rly-de10.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.146]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE071-5094b22eef3329; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:16:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE104-5094b22eef3329; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:16:36 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJGaG-0004NO-HE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:15:44 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJGaG-0004NE-5s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:15:44 +0000 Received: from defout.telus.net ([199.185.220.240]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJGaE-0004Sm-6F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:15:44 +0000 Received: from edtnaa02.telusplanet.net ([75.157.163.71]) by priv-edtnes25.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091212011040.MSIM28811.priv-edtnes25.telusplanet.net@edtnaa02.telusplanet.net> for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:10:40 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.67] (d75-157-163-71.bchsia.telus.net [75.157.163.71]) by edtnaa02.telusplanet.net (BorderWare Security Platform) with ESMTP id 71F191C2EF8C81FA for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:10:40 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <4B22ED90.2000505@telus.net> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:10:40 +0000 From: Scott Tilley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: DCF39 very strong ! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Prop over the pole is very good right now on 2200m. Never heard DCF39 audible at sunset before and she's 20-25db over the noise. DCF39 has been visible on the plot all day (daylight) and has shot up in signal level to a point not seen before... I hope someone out there can fire up and make a try for the grabbers here. 73 Scott VE7TIL CN89dk http://www3.telus.net/sthed/argo/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db06.mx.aol.com (rly-db06.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.81]) by air-db05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB054-ace4b17c76a1c3; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:13:09 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB064-ace4b17c76a1c3; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:12:59 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGCPN-0001yT-NF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:11:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGCPN-0001yK-7E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:11:49 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGCPM-0005mj-In for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:11:49 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 03 Dec 2009 14:11:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO Uwe) [188.194.84.187] by mail.gmx.net (mp023) with SMTP; 03 Dec 2009 15:11:40 +0100 X-Authenticated: #9373712 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+4bSg3q364bW4lHZbOY13zTt00gpjwjVwAbfTiwY 88gS0q0YegYpah Message-ID: From: "Uwe Wensauer" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB0A@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 15:11:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.5600000000000001 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hallo Stefan, knntest Du mir den Schaltplan? 73 Uwe, dk1kq ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schfer" To: Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 11:12 AM Subject: AW: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Dear Lowfers, It's nice/funny, that my explanations gets such a resonance ;-) I can imagine about the problem of local QRM brought by the coax to the preamp. That brings me to new ideas at once. But actual I just want to do nice QSOs and so I will stop here since I am in a region without strong local QRM. That's one advantage of being /p :-) I've seen that the reflector hasn't even reflected my message with the circuit, although is has just a size of 60kB. I'll ask Bernd/DF8ZR to post it agn on his homepage and will give you the link then... 73, Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md02.mx.aol.com (rly-md02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.140]) by air-md10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD103-8ee4b203326124; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:31:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD026-8ee4b203326124; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:30:48 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIVyp-0006Xk-L2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:29:59 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIVyp-0006Xa-1V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:29:59 +0000 Received: from web28108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.128]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIVyo-0004BV-Tw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:29:58 +0000 Received: (qmail 42829 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Dec 2009 23:29:53 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1260401393; bh=o+fV4vJBp63kZymQT6vanLPxFONw8eDXqV08ieWWWoQ=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xa1j2r+Q2cebwR5c7bsFOkraPXS0zTFUmLoMYia54BBECOyv0FaTKnJ1cpeu4AYE4Bmm773ieKE2Yw9jagEXG9KcLuP3C6ydr5xtYU47NElLR+kl7/R+uDImIrASHPD1IASjTtT+nuTJyAEdPM8NuoiVmwjeW4xnUUeYGjN/tnU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=aVfyXVgIhlDtv9vr9dV/XwYqjouqCp54aKFXx95aPD2KJzsNXvqESMCYe3d93nAJFKH6opWYPlUhVU7eJKRvYhWG9HBuVf1q3TK5CNaHUmO5oL+RkXp+w0OBEXb5trJSFVEQL5aV2jAmi2Mpa9bGt1lUl8+Sq6r/E5FCCA9IeUI=; Message-ID: <442802.42688.qm@web28108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: dBeM4qIVM1lzXfxk5iMCvlQgfzrJjfhVkzHah5sD2sJM7u5XrmrKT1Xc5ZkON5Bq0t5r0w91zdCmt1xXP5UQInLcPRn3579svZM2P0mRhnShnhXgdkm9IZg2plSOS22Qd0mdaJay7rEUR8_W0310SSZjnlZV281CyqdoWOuvCNUEWW2sjMhRuyvRewsnf3Du1Mg.8sUM8tYLouUFw8aOb.AV1e5uv0PgFnZDqRIxFHdOVBHHMGEMuDi0Z2J.T6YmPZ7j86JbclOBR8xMvdJH Received: from [86.130.68.177] by web28108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:29:52 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:29:52 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: TX-2200A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1716108341-1260401392=:42688" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d281.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-1716108341-1260401392=:42688 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0 Don't worry mate this copyright thing is out of control. The local CLUB to= me copyrights all it's projects and woebetide you try to copy their cribb= ed designs. No such thing as open source if you can put the letter "c" ins= ide a litttle circle. I've personally felt the indirect effects of this ki= nd of stupidity!! =A0 I agree a skeleton rig for 136 at 100watts cw only, xtal controlled=A0 bet= ween =A310 to =A330 tops depending on junk box and success at not blowing= FETs. =A0 73 petefmt --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Andy Talbot wrote: From: Andy Talbot Subject: Re: LF: TX-2200A To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 19:18 To quote the data sheet : =A0 "The TX-2200A=20 lets you turn the clock back and explore long waves, but with technology that the early pioneers could not even dream of. In a package around the same size as many transceivers this little gem of engineering will provide up to 100 Watts of output power." =A0 With a CW only option and if it really is a VFO, resulting poor stability= =A0its just an appalingingly ludicrous joke. =A0 And anyone buying such= just deserves the contempt they'll get using it. =A0 LF was alwatys considered to be the last bastion of real homebrew and expe= riimentation. Rant over. =A0 But kudos to the manufacturer if they can exploit the gullible :-)=A0=A0= =A0 I wonder if its a rip-off of any designs published in the open literat= ure here=A0 There have been quite a few 100 Watt 137 transmitters=A0weblic= ised - who will be the first to claim his copyright infringements. =A0 My 700 Watt Class D Tx=A0=A0 =A0http://www.g4jnt.com/137tx.pdf=A0 probably= would cost in the region of =A330 - =A340 buying most of the components,= but without the DDS driver.=A0 Never really priced it as new -=A0everythi= ng came from the junkbox. =A0 =A0 =A0 Andy www.g4jnt.com =A0 This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and sa= fety police =A0 =A0 =A0 2009/12/9 Warren Ziegler : > Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 > Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver > muting. > Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! > > http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf > > > > 73 Warren K2ORS > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WD2XGJ > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WD2XSH/23 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WE2XEB/2 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WE2XGR/1 > > =A0 =A0 =20 --0-1716108341-1260401392=:42688 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Don't worry mate this copyright thing is out of control. The local CL= UB to me copyrights all it's projects and woebetide you try to copy their cribbed designs. No such thing as open so= urce if you can put the letter "c" inside a litttle circle. I've personall= y felt the indirect effects of this kind of stupidity!!
 
I agree a skeleton rig for 136 at 100watts cw only, xtal controlled&n= bsp; between =A310 to =A330 tops depending on junk box and success at not= blowing FETs.
 
73 petefmt

--- On Wed, 9/12/09, Andy Talbot <andy.g4j= nt@googlemail.com> wrote:

From: Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.co= m>
Subject: Re: LF: TX-2200A
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
= Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 19:18

To quote the data sheet :
 
"The TX-2200A
lets you turn the clock back and explore long waves,
but with technology that the early pioneers could not
even dream of. In a package around the same size as
many transceivers this little gem of engineering will
provide up to 100 Watts of output power."
 
With a CW only option and if it really is a VFO, resulting poor stabi= lity  its just an appalingingly ludicrous joke.   And anyone buy= ing such just deserves the contempt they'll get using it.
 
LF was alwatys considered to be the last bastion of real homebrew and= experiimentation.
Rant over.
 
But kudos to the manufacturer if they can exploit the gullible :-)&nb= sp;   I wonder if its a rip-off of any designs published in the= open literature here  There have been quite a few 100 Watt 137 trans= mitters weblicised - who will be the first to claim his copyright inf= ringements.
 
My 700 Watt Class D Tx    http://www.g4jnt.com/137tx.p= df  probably would cost in the region of =A330 - =A340 buying mos= t of the components, but without the DDS driver.  Never really priced= it as new - everything came from the junkbox.
 
 
 
Andy
 
This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health= and safety police
 
 
 
2009/12/9 Warren Ziegler <wd2xgj@gmail.com>:
> Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A= 100
> Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiv= er
> muting.
> Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP!
>
>
>
>
> 73 Warren K2ORS
>                WD2XGJ
>                WD2XSH/23=
>                WE2XEB/2<= /DIV>
>                WE2XGR/1<= /DIV>
>
>
 
 

=20 --0-1716108341-1260401392=:42688-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de02.mx.aol.com (rly-de02.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.138]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE051-4b94b29105d2b4; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:53:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE024-4b94b29105d2b4; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:52:47 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKx3W-0006LV-9C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:48:54 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKx3V-0006LM-Ek for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:48:53 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKx5o-00051U-HW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:51:18 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBGGjdUS017659 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:45:40 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:51:14 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:51:16 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <88FB4290CF234F66933047AD790B3719@JimPC> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Thread-Index: Acp+VTLTYyAIoSUITii030LHU+fnswADmhLQ From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.626;16.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.16.163919 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA7E6F.FA862F49" Subject: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7E6F.FA862F49 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Lowfers,=20 I want to start a new subject (for me it's new)... The last weeks I still had RX problems, either with the tx antenna or with= the short E-flied RX antenna. I found out that the noise was/is generated by my notebook which made RXin= g difficult, even in regions without any else local QRM (what could almost= bring me to shut down the PC and just do nice and easy CW QSOs without an= ything else! (but most traffic is in QRSS...)). Then I have done mni tests with many many ferrite cores (that I found in= an older emc lab in our institute), e.g. 20x FT50-77 plus 20x FT50-43 plu= s 20x FT50-61 and e few others. I placed them all in series, partly in the= near of the preamp and/or in the near of the RX. Sure, there was a signif= icant reduction of noise but lastly the noise remains.=20 Accidentally, during a test with my VFO connected to the same 12V supply= of my preamp, I observed a strong line in the argo monitor EVEN without= an antenna (short wire) connected to the VFO and when turned the amplitud= e to zero! That meant for me, the VFO and its supply is not suppressed eno= ugh and so some RF comes to the preamp by the coax and supply line! (the= preamp is supplied by a battery). I thought, I can use this (normally unw= anted) coupling path to test the blocking capability of the ferrite cores= and so I tried it with all variations and later with an additional BIG fe= rrite core and many turns of RG174. As I meant, surely there is a signific= ant noise reduction but the line in argo was still well visible! What I have done then (since 4 days) is using a coupling link by an optic= transmission of the 137kHz signal between the preamp and my RX using a SF= H750V as= the TX Diode and a SFH350 as the RX and abt 20m of a fiber optic cable (yes, there= are surely more suited components but these were available in the moment)= . These are also used as optic links into high end audio systems and there= fore easy to get... Now, when placing the preamp on the same place then during the tests befor= e and just changing the coax by the fiber optic cable, the line by the VFO= was completely gone!! Just with an antenna connected to the VFO and high= amplitude (and thus e real near-field "connection") it came back. The ove= rall noise level decreased to its absolute minimum during all the tests.= =20 Before I used this optic cable the only signal that could be received (out= of the city with much much qrm) was DCF39 and DLF and so on. Now, DCF39= came out with much better SNR and I saw the first LF Stn at all, it was= Ossi / OE5ODL transmitting his 5s in the evening (tnx! very nice SNR in= QRSS3 mode). My conclusion is, that the qrm is always brought to the very sensitive E-f= ield antenna by the coax, even when doing many usual suppression methods= cause there always remains a residual coupling impedance between both sid= es of the cable. Furthermore a long coax cable, say 20m away from the shac= k carries some qrm to the near of the rx antenna so the effective distance= to the shack is always reduced. One small disadvantage of this method is the need for a battery supply. My= TX diode needs abt 20mA and is now working since 3 days with a 7AH Lead= Acid battery. In the future I plan to use a stereo optic cable. Then, one= could switch the preamp on and off by the seconds line doing it the oppos= ite way. So, smaller batteries could be used, which is necessary when moun= ting the preamp to a shaky fiber mast if one does not want to change the= batteries each few hours ;-) Signal distortion seems to be no problem, as I can confirm until now. Now, my K2 has an optical LF input! ;-) Perhaps this will give some ideas to the local qrm bothered stns who tried= everything with ferrite cores, isolating transformers and so on without= a satisfying result. NOTE: I do not know if anyone has tried this before and has written a publ= ication about that. My goal is not to be the hero in inventions, to become= popular and especially not to compete with anyone (like it seems to be us= ual in career/job to be the one who gets the pay rise) but just to share= my ideas to those who are interested to try something new (?). I do not= say that my solution is the best at all and so on! But, if it will help= only one Lowfer getting new ideas and improving his station, and if this= improvement results in more activity on the band, then it would have help= ed all of us! =20 =20 73s es 55 de Stefan / DK7FC ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7E6F.FA862F49 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Lowfers,

= I want to start a new subject (for me it's new)...

= The last weeks I still had RX problems, either with the tx antenna or with the short E-fl= ied RX antenna.

= I found out that the noise was/is generated by my notebook which made RXing difficult,= even in regions without any else local QRM (what could almost bring me to shut= down the PC and just do nice and easy CW QSOs without anything else! (but most traffic is in QRSS...)).

= Then I have done mni tests with many many ferrite cores (that I found in an older emc= lab in our institute), e.g. 20x FT50-77 plus 20x FT50-43 plus 20x FT50-61 and= e few others. I placed them all in series, partly in the near of the preamp and/= or in the near of the RX. Sure, there was a significant reduction of noise but= lastly the noise remains.

= Accidentally, during a test with my VFO connected to the same 12V supply of my preamp,= I observed a strong line in the argo monitor EVEN without an antenna (short wire) connected to the VFO and when turned the amplitude to zero! That meant for= me, the VFO and its supply is not suppressed enough and so some RF comes to the pr= eamp by the coax and supply line! (the preamp is supplied by a battery). I thou= ght, I can use this (normally unwanted) coupling path to test the blocking capabi= lity of the ferrite cores and so I tried it with all variations and later with= an additional BIG ferrite core and many turns of RG174. As I meant, surely th= ere is a significant noise reduction but the line in argo was still well visib= le!

= What I have done then (since 4 days) is using a coupling link by an optic transmission= of the 137kHz signal between the preamp and my RX using a SFH750V as the TX Diode and a SFH350 as the RX and abt 20m of a fiber optic cable (yes, there are surely more= suited components but these were available in the moment). These are also used as optic links into high end audio systems and therefore easy to get...

= Now, when placing the preamp on the same place then during the tests before and just changing the coax by the fiber optic cable, the line by the VFO was comple= tely gone!! Just with an antenna connected to the VFO and high amplitude (and= thus e real near-field “connection”) it came back. The overall noise= level decreased to its absolute minimum during all the tests.

= Before I used this optic cable the only signal that could be received (out of the city= with much much qrm) was DCF39 and DLF and so on. Now, DCF39 came out with much better SNR and I saw the first LF Stn at all, it was Ossi / OE5ODL transmi= tting his 5s in the evening (tnx! very nice SNR in QRSS3 mode).

= My conclusion is, that the qrm is always brought to the very sensitive E-field antenna= by the coax, even when doing many usual suppression methods cause there always re= mains a residual coupling impedance between both sides of the cable. Furthermore= a long coax cable, say 20m away from the shack carries some qrm to the near= of the rx antenna so the effective distance to the shack is always reduced.

= One small disadvantage of this method is the need for a battery supply. My TX diode needs abt 20m= A and is now working since 3 days with a 7AH Lead Acid battery. In the future I= plan to use a stereo optic cable. Then, one could switch the preamp on and off= by the seconds line doing it the opposite way. So, smaller batteries could be used, which is necessary when mounting the preamp to a shaky fiber mast if= one does not want to change the batteries each few hours ;-)

= Signal distortion seems to be no problem, as I can confirm until now.

= Now, my K2 has an optical LF input! ;-)

= Perhaps this will give some ideas to the local qrm bothered stns who tried everything= with ferrite cores, isolating transformers and so on without a satisfying resul= t.

NOTE:= I do not know if anyone has tri= ed this before and has written a publication about that. My goal is not to be the hero in inventions, to become popular and especially not to compete with anyone (like it= seems to be usual in career/job to be the one who gets the pay rise) but just to share my ideas to those who are interested to try something new (?). I do= not say that my solution is the best at all and so on! But, if it will help on= ly one Lowfer getting new ideas and improving his station, and if this improv= ement results in more activity on the band, then it would have helped all of us!=

=  

=  

= 73s es 55 de Stefan / DK7FC

------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7E6F.FA862F49-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.10]) by air-da08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA083-86404b37536e1df; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 07:30:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C2ECB3800012A; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 07:30:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOsFh-0002PS-F0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:29:41 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOsFh-0002PJ-3e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:29:41 +0000 Received: from psmtp31.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.33]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOsFf-0006Vy-Mh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:29:41 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp31.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KVB004KS9D8Z6@psmtp31.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 13:29:32 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 13:29:34 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <3CF6EDD363B347BCBB2CE2AD61DF85B0@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: grabber df6nm Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_3Ibn/+08RYMwx3M39UijkA)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600a4b37536d7e80 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_3Ibn/+08RYMwx3M39UijkA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello Marcus,LF thank You for the privat grabber,I do not need it now,I am testing the ropex with a synt.and transmitting qrs 60 on 136.318 khz. Best 73s Henny pa3cpm. --Boundary_(ID_3Ibn/+08RYMwx3M39UijkA) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
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--Boundary_(ID_3Ibn/+08RYMwx3M39UijkA)-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb02.mx.aol.com (rly-mb02.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.155]) by air-mb03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB033-cf44b2246e210; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:19:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB028-cf44b2246e210; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:19:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ5OD-00073h-Kh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:18:33 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ5OD-00073Y-3y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:18:33 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ5OB-0008Mj-3H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:18:33 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBBDIUI4032565 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:18:30 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:18:30 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:18:29 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC15@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <4B22410F.1000306@telia.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Thread-Index: Acp6YeaT+uAJaEzwQzSfTdWA/rrn7wAAY35w From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.616;10.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.11.131218 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Thanks Johan for the qualified answer! With the receiver bandwidth, do you mean the bandwidth of e.g. the argo pr= ogramm or of the real receiver, say the ic706? I use a K2 with a bandwidth of 50Hz (not very sharp edges), which is relat= ively norrow compared to the most standard CW filters in standard HF-TRXs.= Since I can=B4t reduce it even more and the others as well, it would be= no advantage to reduce the speed. So I think you mean the bandwidth of e.= g. argo? Right? Tnx!=20 Stefan/DK7FC =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von Johan H. Bodin Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Dezember 2009 13:55 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Hi Stefan, > Or isn't it possible to give such a relation? Yes, it is not only possible, it is in fact quite simple: When the speed is reduced by a factor K, the information bandwidth is also reduced by the same factor. This allows you to use a receiver bandwidth which is K times narrower without missing any information. The nice thing is that the noise power passing through this bandwidth is also K times smaller - The S/N ratio has improved K times (or 10*log(K) dB if you prefer). In other words, you can reduce the TX power by the same factor K and still enjoy the same SNR (if RX BW is is also made K timer narrower). In visually received QRSS, the receiver bandwidth is equal to the RBW, the "resolution bandwidth", which is approximately equal to the FFT bin width (one pixel on Argo). QRSS30 is 10dB more efficient than QRSS3, in theory at least. 73 Johan SM6LKM ---- Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > Dear LF,=20 > Does anybody know about the "gain" between QRSS3 and QRSS10 or QRSS30?= I mean, if the noise in both cases is equal, how much can I reduce my tx= pwr when switching from qrss3 to qrss10? Or isn't it possible to give suc= h a relation? > And: Was there ever a TA QSO in QRSS3? > I am new on the reflector, sri ;-) >=20 > Stefan / DK7FC >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md09.mx.aol.com (rly-md09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.147]) by air-md09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD094-9254b2d488d27f; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:41:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD095-9254b2d488d27f; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:41:34 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NM6yJ-0003Vj-Jp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:36:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NM6yI-0003Va-SH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:36:18 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NM71i-0004ZN-F3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:39:52 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 19 Dec 2009 21:40:27 -0000 Received: from p5DD35C50.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.211.92.80] by mail.gmx.net (mp036) with SMTP; 19 Dec 2009 22:40:27 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1++hwE15li+2+iq7P8xuVr4wO+HUz4di3qSsbVI8h XVDbFn/VMW29t1 Message-ID: <001201ca80f3$e1077110$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <002801ca80dc$639db200$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <57a24ca70912191323q42dc08acr75fcd0cef89cea5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:40:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.6 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: HOT 500 RX Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 > Isn't that RX really an Eddystone 958 with a Hagenuk label ? See http://www.seefunknetz.de/ee430.htm 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" To: Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:23 PM Subject: Re: LF: HOT 500 RX Mal, Isn't that RX really an Eddystone 958 with a Hagenuk label ? -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 1:52 PM, mal hamilton wrote: > Using a marine RX Haghenuk EE 430 at present 10 kcs - 30 mcs. Hot RX on > 500 kcs > de G3KEV > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.717 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.114/2575 - Ausgabedatum: 12/19/09 09:33:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc02.mx.aol.com (rly-mc02.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.86]) by air-mc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC012-d5b4b16ad2d32b; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:09:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC023-d5b4b16ad2d32b; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:08:47 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFtcC-0006WY-9A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:07:48 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFtcB-0006WP-LM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:07:47 +0000 Received: from mbox1.netikka.net ([213.250.81.202]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFtc9-0006wC-Ot for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:07:47 +0000 Received: from tupu.netikka.net (tupu [172.16.83.90]) by mbox1-feedback.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B47188031 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:07:40 +0200 (EET) Received: from imp1.netikka.net (imp1.netikka.net [213.250.85.154]) by tupu.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC08A4B0058 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:07:39 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imp1.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BC55495BCB for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:07:40 +0200 (EET) Received: from 558602b6.adsl.multi.fi (558602b6.adsl.multi.fi [85.134.2.182]) by imp.netikka.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:07:40 +0200 Message-ID: <1259777260.4b16acec27aa8@imp.netikka.net> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:07:40 +0200 From: Paul-Henrik To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 85.134.2.182 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Stefan, LF I can not overemphasize the possible need to keep the feedline "clean" and= free of RFI that may otherwise make it's way to any active whip antenna. My first attempts at deploying the PA0RDT Mini-Whip here were unsuccessful= and disappointing due to the fact that some of the RFI I tried to avoid was conducted from the shack out to the antenna along the coax. This may among other things depend on what kind of radio the antenna is connected to. If in doubt, my advice is to use one common mode choke where the coax leav= es the house and to ground the coax braid just behind it using an independent earth-stake and then further a second common-mode choke just before the feedline goes vertically up to the antenna. For common mode chokes I use large high-mu ferrite rings that can take 20= turns of RG-58 or up to 45 turns of RG-174 but smaller rings can be used with RG= -174. There is a picture here of the first test-choke I used for tracking down= my noise: http://peditio.net/utility/Attachments/choke_sml.jpg This may be "overkill" in most installations but I'm sure some users can= gain from these extra measures just as I did. BR Paul-Henrik, OH1LSQ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb10.mx.aol.com (rly-mb10.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.168]) by air-mb02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB022-d324b16a3c9197; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:28:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB106-d324b16a3c9197; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:28:43 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFszL-0005q3-Gs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:27:39 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFszL-0005pu-46 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:27:39 +0000 Received: from mhost02h.leeds.ac.uk ([129.11.77.151]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFszJ-0006bF-G4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:27:39 +0000 Received: from APOLLO1.ds.leeds.ac.uk (apollo1.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.5.4]) by mhost02h.leeds.ac.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nB2HRWkG018096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m263.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass Hi Johan some off air tests done between Dave G3YXM and myself seemed to= confirm those theoretical figures quite nicely. Posibly still on Dave's= web site. I believe others have found the same too. Lyle Kohler K0LR (?)= did some similar tests in the States which used to be on his web site. Alan G3NYK --- On Fri, 11/12/09, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrot= e: > From: Stefan Sch=E4fer > Subject: AW: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Friday, 11 December, 2009, 13:18 > Thanks Johan for the qualified > answer! > With the receiver bandwidth, do you mean the bandwidth of > e.g. the argo programm or of the real receiver, say the > ic706? > I use a K2 with a bandwidth of 50Hz (not very sharp edges), > which is relatively norrow compared to the most standard CW > filters in standard HF-TRXs. Since I can=B4t reduce it even > more and the others as well, it would be no advantage to > reduce the speed. So I think you mean the bandwidth of e.g. > argo? Right? > Tnx!=20 > Stefan/DK7FC =20 >=20 > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] > Im Auftrag von Johan H. Bodin > Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Dezember 2009 13:55 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: Re: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? >=20 > Hi Stefan, >=20 > > Or isn't it possible to give such a relation? >=20 > Yes, it is not only possible, it is in fact quite simple: > When the speed is reduced by a factor K, the information > bandwidth is > also reduced by the same factor. This allows you to use a > receiver > bandwidth which is K times narrower without missing any > information. The > nice thing is that the noise power passing through this > bandwidth is > also K times smaller - The S/N ratio has improved K times > (or 10*log(K) > dB if you prefer). In other words, you can reduce the TX > power by the > same factor K and still enjoy the same SNR (if RX BW is is > also made K > timer narrower). >=20 > In visually received QRSS, the receiver bandwidth is equal > to the RBW, > the "resolution bandwidth", which is approximately equal to > the FFT bin > width (one pixel on Argo). >=20 > QRSS30 is 10dB more efficient than QRSS3, in theory at > least. >=20 > 73 > Johan SM6LKM >=20 > ---- >=20 > Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > > Dear LF,=20 > > Does anybody know about the "gain" between QRSS3 and > QRSS10 or QRSS30? I mean, if the noise in both cases is > equal, how much can I reduce my tx pwr when switching from > qrss3 to qrss10? Or isn't it possible to give such a > relation? > > And: Was there ever a TA QSO in QRSS3? > > I am new on the reflector, sri ;-) > >=20 > > Stefan / DK7FC > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd08.mx.aol.com (rly-dd08.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.155]) by air-dd03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD034-b954b2c30142c1; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:45:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD087-b954b2c30142c1; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:44:54 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLoI5-0008GS-Mo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 01:39:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLoI5-0008GJ-0C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 01:39:29 +0000 Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com ([64.12.207.164]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLoL7-00082l-Bd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 01:42:38 +0000 Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nBJ1gtjx016360 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:42:55 -0500 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.d48.65f369f0 (56032) for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:42:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.68] ([92.18.91.54]) by cia-md08.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD086-dae04b2c2f967d; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:42:53 -0500 From: g4gvw To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: References: <914980.30417.qm@web28108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <004e01ca8008$e5c13a60$6402a8c0@e7010> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 01:42:50 +0000 Message-Id: <1261186970.19260.12.camel@pat-compaq-evo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.1 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: G4gvw@aol.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi All, As someone who used to be professionally engaged in negotiating with the aforesaid regulator in its many incarnations/reincarnations prior to becoming Ofcomm, believe me it ain't easy! However, it is appreciated that each country and legislation, have their own (sometimes peculiar) approaches to the problems posed by demanding spectrum allocation. Some of us are extremely fortunate to have the talented and tenacious advocates that achieve so much against often quite incredible pressures from other interests. What is often forgotten is that some of these guys are doing this work unrewarded, in their own time and sometimes at odds with the commercial interests of their employers! For obvious reasons they cannot say this stuff on their own behalf but maybe, at this seasonal time we can all raise a glass and say THANK YOU! On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 18:20 +0000, Graham wrote: > Tnx Walter > > Yes , we seem to of done quite well considering , I think the only > gray area was the approach / marketing of the allocation where as > operations where initially viewed as a follow on from 136 and as > such its possible that it did not attract a wider response, where > as it very soon became apparent that the band was more similar > to 1.8 MHz in terms of coverage and the requirements for large > arrays and power level did not materialise and in fact the compact > array has provided most if not all of the Dx worked on the band to > date , ''even'' Gus is using a antenna system that is within > the boundary of his own house and is still fractional compared to > the wave length, once I had modified my old 80 ft total inverted L > with loading coil and top capacity section , 50 to 100 watts > provided amazing coverage and performance on 1.8 & 3.5 also > increased significantly .. unintended consequence ! > > Back in the 1970's a old friend of mine , long passed, who > introduced me to vhf radio 2 & 4 mtr am G3SX always maintained > that the 500 K / 600 mtr band was the original armature band in > the period between the 1914/1945 war's and the marine service, > once spark had been phased out , took over the band and forced the > armature operation hf to the new fangled 1.8 and higher > > So may be the tapping gang where just keeping it free for us > after all .. 70 years was long enough ! > > 73 - G .. > > > From: Walter und Marianne Staubach > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 5:38 PM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Re: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 > kHz band) > > > Congrats to All on MF in G-Land. I would like we had RSGB and OFCOM in > Germany. > Merry Christmas > Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: M0FMT > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 12:39 PM > Subject: LF: UK - Update - Special Research Permits (501 to > 504 kHz band) > > > FYI 16|12|09 > Update - Special Research Permits (501 to 504 kHz band) > Following representations made by the Radio Society of Great > Britain and negotiations by Ofcom with the Maritime and > Coastguard Agency, Ofcom has decided to extend the period of > Notices of Variation (NoVs) to the licence for operation in > the 501 to 504 kHz band until 29 February 2012. The maximum > effective radiated power (e.r.p.) limit is maintained at 10 > dBW (10 W). Existing NoVs are due to expire at the end of > February 2010. > There have been no reports of interference and investigation > has shown that a radiated power of 10 dBW is not likely to > cause interference. Moreover, NoV holders are permitted to > operate only subject to causing no interference. > Special Research Permits under a Notice of Variation to the > Licence are made available to holders of Full Amateur Licences > on a case by case basis to applicants who can demonstrate a > genuine interest in experimentation at these frequencies and > provide adequate supporting documentation for assessment. > Due to the usage of the spectrum around the 500 kHz bands, > applicants should pay special attention to demonstrating > technical and operational competence in terms of transmitting > within the frequency band and Effective Radiated Power > (e.r.p.) parameters agreed with Ofcom. Previous experience at > 73 kHz as well as 136 kHz will be considered desirable in this > respect to ensure adequate steps are taken to limit any > potential interference. > Ofcom will monitor any interference reports and also consider > limiting numbers if necessary in reviewing operation in the > band. On no account will an e.r.p. level of greater than 10 > dBW be permitted under any circumstance. > The standard application form (OfW306) for a Special Research > Permit can be downloaded at: > http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/applications/ofw306.pdf > A fresh NoV will automatically be issued to existing NoV > holders; new applications are not required in this instance. > Should a fresh NoV not be required or if you are in possession > of an NoV which is not required, please inform the Ofcom > Licensing Centre stating your name, call sign and Licence > number preferably by e-mail to licensingcentre@ofcom.org.uk or > alternatively by post to the address at the end of the text. > Form OfW306 is also available on request from the Ofcom > Licensing Centre at: > Ofcom Licensing Centre > Amateur Radio > Riverside House > 2a Southwark Bridge Road > London SE1 9HA > Tel: 020 7981 3131 > > 73 es GL petefmt > > > -- 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw qth nr felixstowe uk (east coast, county of suffolk) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb08.mx.aol.com (rly-mb08.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.166]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB053-d1d4b29f50515e; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 04:08:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB081-d1d4b29f50515e; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 04:08:23 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLCHq-0001Dh-BU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:04:42 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLCHp-0001DY-Q0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:04:41 +0000 Received: from psmtp30.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.32]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLCKW-0002JX-4s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:07:30 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp30.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KUS00BQEHC1SG@psmtp30.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:07:14 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:06:56 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: OSSI 17-12.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_z2iMFxfkI/VcvRHtYl/7nQ)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --Boundary_(ID_z2iMFxfkI/VcvRHtYl/7nQ) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_tEuRYVHXrn3DeTZVFRhUmg)" --Boundary_(ID_tEuRYVHXrn3DeTZVFRhUmg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello LF, Strong signal Ossi, best 73s henny cpm........... 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<000f01ca7fc2$c666f6a0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:48:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 As an addition to my last posting on this subject be careful if you see optical cards for sale at rallies etc, they all should/must have the laser 'starburst' symbol on them, and may be labelled as either, laser product, class 1 laser, or class 3 laser, what they will not tell you is the power output, you will need a calibrated optical power meter for this, or the wavelength, which could be 850nm multi 73. Ken M0KHW mode, 1300nm single mode or 1550nm single mode. When I was working on optical systems the standard BT optical connector for main network single mode fibre was the FC type, originally manufactured by Seiko.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" To: Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 9:16 AM Subject: LF: Re: Re: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals > Radio Amateurs BEWARE - Appliance Operators DO NOT TOUCH > > G3KEV > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 10:43 AM > Subject: LF: Re: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX > signals > > >> Optical fibres are fine for transmission and remove all the problems of >> interference and cross talk at a stroke, but please be careful and >> observe >> optical safety precautions when using lasers and other light sources. I >> worked on optical systems for many years during my time with BT, and > optical >> safety took priority over every thing else. All optical fibres need to > have >> a perfect cleave on the ends, and the connectors be absolutely clean, if >> you are not launching into an optical connector then alignment will be a >> problem, similarly at the receive end. >> >> >> 73. >> Ken >> >> M0KHW >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Horst Stcker" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:01 AM >> Subject: LF: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX > signals >> >> >> In theory it's a good Idea which I had some weeks before without working > it >> out. >> >> Years before I also have made tests with FTA (free to air) optical >> transmissions with a DL2CH-Transceiver and a TRX-Kit by Aatis which is > quite >> much simpler. >> Even with that it was no problem to link between two points about a few >> meters. >> >> In this case you should think about an IR-LED. Unfortunately, the Aatis >> receiver has a photo transistor instead of a diode. But it should be no >> great deal to modify that. >> >> The problems with FTA optic transmission for this application are imho: >> - You have to be sure, that no one can be injured by the laser beam, >> especially at unattended operation. >> - Think about how many hours/the beam has it's full power before becoming >> much weaker. >> - The optics must be kept clean. This could be a problem if the units are >> out of reach. >> - The units have to be mounted absolutely stable. For Example, on a > swinging >> fibre rod you'll never bring a laser beam exactly to the rx area. >> >> I bet, (FTA) optical transmission just changes one problem with a few >> others. >> >> But the transmission with optical cable seems interesting. >> >> What type of cable do you suggest? I do not think, my TOS-Link cable >> would >> stand weather/UV and mechanical conditions outside for a long time. >> >> Horst DO1KHS >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate fr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! >> http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ >> >> >> >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (rly-mg06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.112]) by air-mg07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG072-a1a4b208b72eb; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:47:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG064-a1a4b208b72eb; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:47:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIbrG-0008Me-C6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:46:34 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIbrF-0008MV-Gp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:46:33 +0000 Received: from mail2.citigroup.com ([192.193.221.104] helo=mail.citigroup.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIbrC-0005z8-MP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:46:33 +0000 Received: from imbhub-mw02.nam.nsroot.net ([159.17.94.189]) by imbaspam-ss02.namdmz.dmzroot.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/SSMB_EXT/ev: 24741 $) with ESMTP id nBA5kM4g025763 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:46:23 GMT Received: from exlniht01.eur.nsroot.net (exlniht01.eur.nsroot.net [169.186.207.97]) by imbhub-mw02.nam.nsroot.net (Switch-3.4.1/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id nBA5jDPo001451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:46:22 GMT Received: from exlnht02.eur.nsroot.net (169.182.192.15) by exlniht01.eur.nsroot.net (169.186.207.97) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.375.2; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:46:18 +0000 Received: from exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net ([169.186.219.14]) by exlnht02.eur.nsroot.net ([169.182.192.15]) with mapi; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:46:17 +0000 From: "Scholz, Marco " To: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org'" Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:46:15 +0000 Thread-Topic: LF: DDH47 147.3 Thread-Index: Acp5MSCvalu0BDkbSAK+E2Cv6HzP7AAKrNPQ Message-ID: <16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C661224@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> References: <392758439.1260398409.48146488.79519@mcgi74.rambler.ru> <4B202EA6.1090000@usa.net> <003201ca7930$73dc02b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> In-Reply-To: <003201ca7930$73dc02b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB x-wiganss: 01000000010017exlnht02.eur.nsroot.net ID0044<16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C661224@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 169.175.16.181 X-Spam-Score: 2.0 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.836,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: RE: LF: DDH47 147.3 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_006_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C661224exlnmb01eurns_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --_006_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C661224exlnmb01eurns_ Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_005_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C661224exlnmb01eurns_"; type="multipart/alternative" --_005_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C661224exlnmb01eurns_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C661224exlnmb01eurns_" --_000_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C661224exlnmb01eurns_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good morning, DDH47 also with an outstanding signal here in JN49. Exact at 23:15 was a= QRSS3 transmission of the word "Braun" - see attached file. vy73 Marco DD7PC ________________________________ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org] On Behalf Of jrusgrove@comcast.net Sent: 10 December 2009 01:34 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 147.3 Good copy of cw signal 'by ear' in CT ... on a very noisy night. Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: Alberto di Bene To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 6:11 PM Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 147.3 Beautiful copy of DDH47, but then, given their power, it is not a great su= rprise.... 73 Alberto I2PHD [cid:975234405@10122009-1A2E] --_000_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C661224exlnmb01eurns_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good morning,
DDH47 also with an outstanding signal here= in JN49. Exact=20 at 23:15 was a QRSS3 transmission of the word "Braun" - see attached=20 file.
 
vy73
Marco
DD7PC

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o= rg=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of=20 jrusgrove@comcast.net
Sent: 10 December 2009 01:34
To:= =20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: DDH47=20 147.3

Good copy of= cw signal 'by=20 ear' in CT ... on a very noisy night.
 
Jay W1VD  WD2XNS&nbs= p;=20 WE2XGR/2
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Alberto di Bene= =20
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 200= 9 6:11=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 147.3

Beautiful copy of DDH47, but then, given their power, it= is not=20 a great surprise....

73  Alberto  I2PHD

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<38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC7C@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC7C@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:31:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10 / PA design Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Stefan, LF Group, DK7FC wrote: ...> Yes, on 137kHz a half bridge is also a good idea since the losses are quite small. But, for a half or full bridge like in these decca transmitters, one needs an output ferrite core that can handle the whole output power. I think these are expensive (?), not easy to get and could be driven into saturation when dimensioned well....> I have used ETD49-size SMPSU cores successfully for transformers at 136k at the 1kW level. These are readily available from big component distributors in this country such as RS Components and Farnell - the set of core halves, bobbin and clips costs about 5 - 10 GB Pounds. I suppose you should add some more for wire and insulation, but this is a lot cheaper than a suitably rated 50Hz transformer! In my experience, temperature rise due to hysteresis and other losses limits the power capability at these relatively high frequencies, core saturation is not the limiting factor. In the overall cost of a QRO TX, the most expensive part is usually the DC power supply. So, if you are trying to achieve a low-cost TX design, and you already have a high power DC supply, it is sensible to design the TX to make optimum use that supply. If you don't already have a PSU, economy is the big advantage of a 330V DC off-line rectified supply. The TX output power is a function of the DC supply V, the load resistance, and the circuit topology used. The DC supply is fixed by the mains voltage if we use a direct rectified supply. If, for further economy, we try to design an output stage with no output transformer, or other impedance matching, then the load impedance is also fixed. So the power output is then fixed for a particular circuit configuration. For a push-pull or full-bridge design we really need an output transformer to drive a single-ended load, but this leaves the Class D half-bridge and Class E configurations, which are single-ended. Using the text-book formulae for Pout of an ideal circuit with 330V DC input and 50R load gives about 1.2kW for an "optimum" Class E, and 440W for the half-bridge Class D. The class E circuit is perhaps simpler, at least on paper, and has attractive output power, but further calculations show that a switching device handling peak voltage 1200V and peak current about 10.5A is required, which would be a problem. We could re-design the class D stage to produce 1.2kW by reducing the load impedance to 18.4ohm, which could be achieved using an LC matching network, if transformers must be avoided. Then the peak current and voltage in the two switching devices would be 330V , 11.4A, which is a relatively easy requirement. So for this kind of power level, and off-line DC supply, the class D design is probably more practical . With current switching transistor technology, the 1200V peak voltage is the problem for any class E off-line design; but in the future it might not be, since there seems to be a lot of interest in developing high speed, high voltage switches based on GaN, SiC semiconductors at the moment. But, in the off-line TX, another important reason to have an output transformer is to isolate the output RF ground and antenna system from the mains supply, partly for safety - but with a full-wave rectifier, the "0V" DC terminal, and so the RF ground of the output stage, is not at ground potential anyway. The same also applies to the gate drive input side. So, if you don't have a suitable DC PSU, an off-line directly rectified supply is attractive, but it will probably need RF transformers! In any case, an output transformer does give a lot more flexibility in the design. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de06.mx.aol.com (rly-de06.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.142]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE033-4e24b2c79903c7; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 01:58:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE065-4e24b2c79903c7; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 01:58:26 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLtBV-000115-Io for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 06:53:01 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLtBU-00010w-OE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 06:53:00 +0000 Received: from mx30.mail.ru ([94.100.176.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLtFG-0002Tl-4h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 06:56:56 +0000 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expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Stefan, Thank you for your detailed description. I have carried out the same tests some five years ago and arrived also at a length of 30 cm. The wire can be replaced by a 30 x 40 mm piece of copper clad PCB for the same results. Using SMD parts, which have less capacitive coupling due to the small size, a further size reduction is possible. Your findings that raising the antenna higher than 4 m is correct as the signal to noise ratio will not improve, so nothing will be gained. However, this depends on the surroundings. At the border of a lake, I found an height of 2 m sufficient for weak signal work at LF. Best regards, Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma10.mx.aol.com (rly-ma10.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.54]) by air-ma07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA071-8cf4b2036df38c; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:46:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA101-8cf4b2036df38c; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:46:41 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIWDy-0006rj-F4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:45:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIWDx-0006ra-IS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:45:37 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIWDw-00070J-Bn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:45:37 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3521.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B33521C00088 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:45:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3521.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A5BD81C000AB for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:45:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.5.59]) by mwinf3521.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 1F5791C00088 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:45:30 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20091209234530128.1F5791C00088@mwinf3521.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <40DCCD8CCDD64010AC2B8CF002BBCA25@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <510B0611943F48E1975A8F833B63FBD5@AGB> <20250.29213.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 23:45:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<< Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C2_01CA7929.AA96CCB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01CA7929.AA96CCB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roger=20 Thanks for posting the circuit, I have added you to the converto= r hall of fame ... http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/low-frequency-converters?m= sg=3Dns G ..=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 11:27 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<< With the transverter "in the open" (rat's nest) on the desktop there= is a warm-up drift of about 40Hz HF until things settle down. This ha= s not been an issue with WSPR as the drift in a single TX slot is only= about 1-2Hz usually (WSPR copes with this) and it soon settles down= to 0Hz drift. I have not tried QRSS but imagine you'd have to ensure= the xtal oscillator is made more thermally stable for v.slow QRSS, bu= t would guess it would be OK for some moderate QRSS operation. Putting= the whole unit in a box should help. My little circuit works, but is surely capable of much improvement, HI= . 73s Roger G3XBM 2009/12/9 ALAN MELIA Sounds good Roger and Graham... what it the stability like the probl= em with transverters/upconverters normally is that while ok for some= modes they are often not stable enough for the very weak signal mode= s. These are modes where you need to know the frequency of a station= very accurately because you will not hear it, or it will only pop abo= ve the noise for short periods. Alan G3NYK --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Graham wrote: > From: Graham > Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<< > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 22:13 > > > > > > > > All > > This latest > addition to the > HF / MF tx convertor opens the door > to data > communications on 500 ... ranging from > 'all' the K1JT systems > through to the single carrier > multi tone > systems of > MFSK , DOMINO and THOR .. even > the almost > forgotten Amtor-arq and Packtor modes , anyone > still have > there pk232 > > listed are > data modes that may be used with > non-linear systems :- > > > http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/meat-grinder-comms > > G.. > > > > > From: Roger > Lapthorn > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 12:20 AM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > > Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX > transverter > > Dear All, > > My WSPR tx up-converter has now been modified to > a full TX/RX tranverter suitable for WSPR, QRSS and > CW in a > very simple way, making use of the FT817 split > facility which allows you > to RX on 500kHz and TX on 28MHz. By adding a series LC > between the TX PA and the > FT817 input/output RF connection (with back-to-back diodes > at the L and C > junction, this allows "pass through" from the > 500kHz ATU to the FT817 on RX > (tuned to 500kHz). On TX, the diodes conduct and the C part > is in parallel with > the first cap in the TX low pass filter. This scheme is now > working really well > with good RX sensitivity and no change in TX power out. > > Schematic of the > transverter is on my blog at http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > . My > attempt to add it as an attachment to an email here earlier > failed. > > This more or less concludes my 500kHz experimenting, apart > from > getting a few more CW QSOs in the log. It's been great > fun all the way with lots > of support from folks here. I was going to try 136kHz, but > think I will now give > this a miss for now. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > G3XBM > GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > > > > --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01CA7929.AA96CCB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Roger
 
Thanks for  posting the =20 circuit,  I have  ad= ded =20 you  to the convertor  hall  of fame ...
 
 
G ..
 

Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >&g= t;DATA=20 MODES<<

With the transverter "in the open" (rat's nest) on the= desktop=20 there is a warm-up drift of about 40Hz HF until things settle down. Th= is has not=20 been an issue with WSPR as the drift in a single TX slot is only about= 1-2Hz=20 usually (WSPR copes with this) and it soon settles down to 0Hz drift.= I have not=20 tried QRSS but imagine you'd have to ensure the xtal oscillator is mad= e more=20 thermally stable for v.slow QRSS, but would guess it would be OK for= some=20 moderate QRSS operation. Putting the whole unit in a box should help.<= BR>
My=20 little circuit works, but is surely capable of much improvement,=20 HI.

73s
Roger G3XBM

2009/12/9 ALAN MELIA <alan.melia@btinternet.com= >
Sounds= good Roger and Graham... what it the stability like=20 the problem with transverters/upconverters normally is that while ok= for some=20 modes they are  often not stable enough for the very weak signa= l modes.=20 These are modes where you need to know the frequency of a station ve= ry=20 accurately because you will not hear it, or it will only pop above= the noise=20 for short periods.

Alan G3NYK


--- On Wed, 9/12/09,= Graham=20 <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.= uk>=20 wrote:

> From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
>=20 Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES&l= t;<
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>=20 Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 22:13
>
>
>
>
>
>
>=
>=20 All
>
> This  latest
> addition to  the<= BR>> HF=20 / MF  tx convertor  opens the  door
> to=20  data
> communications  on 500 ... ranging  fro= m
>=20 'all'  the K1JT systems
> through to  the  sing= le=20 carrier
> multi  tone
> systems  of
> MF= SK  ,=20  DOMINO and THOR  .. even
> the  almost
>= forgotten=20  Amtor-arq  and Packtor modes , anyone
> still=20  have
> there pk232
>
> listed  are
&= gt; data=20  modes that  may be  used with
> non-linear sys= tems=20 :-
>
>
> http://group= s.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/meat-grinder-comms
>
>= =20 G..
>
>
>
>
> From: Roger
>=20 Lapthorn
> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 12:20 AM
>= To: rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org
>
>
>=20 Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX
> transverter
>
&= gt; Dear=20 All,
>
> My WSPR tx up-converter has now been modified= to
>=20 a full TX/RX tranverter suitable for WSPR, QRSS and
> CW  = ;in=20 a
> very simple way, making use of the FT817 split
> fac= ility=20 which allows you
> to RX on 500kHz and TX on 28MHz. By adding= a series=20 LC
> between the TX PA and the
> FT817 input/output RF= connection=20 (with back-to-back diodes
> at the L and C
> junction,= this allows=20 "pass through" from the
> 500kHz ATU to the FT817 on RX
>= ; (tuned=20 to 500kHz). On TX, the diodes conduct and the C part
> is in= parallel=20 with
> the first cap in the TX low pass filter. This scheme is= =20 now
> working really well
> with good RX sensitivity and= no change=20 in TX power out.
>
> Schematic of the
> transverte= r is on my=20 blog at http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
> . My
> attempt=20 to add it as an attachment to an email here earlier
>=20 failed.
>
> This more or less concludes my 500kHz experi= menting,=20 apart
> from
> getting a few more CW QSOs in the log. It= 's been=20 great
> fun all the way with lots
> of support from folk= s here. I=20 was going to try 136kHz, but
> think I will now give
>= this a miss=20 for now.
>
> 73s
> Roger G3XBM
> --
><= BR>>=20 -------------------------------------------------------------
>= ; h= ttp://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
>=20 G3XBM
>  GQRP 1678      ISWL=20 G11088
>
>
>
>
>




--=20
-------------------------------------------------------------
<= A href=3D"http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/">http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.= com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.u= k
G3XBM  =20  GQRP 1678      ISWL G11088


------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01CA7929.AA96CCB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df07.mx.aol.com (rly-df07.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.20]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF011-5654b322ef2320; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:53:48 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF076-5654b322ef2320; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:53:40 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNSZR-0004eL-CI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:52:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNSZR-0004eB-1T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:52:13 +0000 Received: from smtp06.online.nl ([194.134.42.51]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNSZP-00060Y-Gj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:52:13 +0000 Received: from smtp06.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp06.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26D9F96331 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:52:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp06.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:52:04 +0100 (CET) From: To: "blacksheep" Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:52:03 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp06.online.nl) X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: Ropex Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello all, for who is interested,I just got from Henny,PA3CPM the schematic and the componentlayout from the Ropex first.I can sent the files to everybody who is interested, 73 mxmass Victor PA3FNY From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me08.mx.aol.com (rly-me08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.42]) by air-me05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME052-9d24b1bfaa1168; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 13:40:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME086-9d24b1bfaa1168; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 13:40:35 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHM1C-0005Lx-Bt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 18:39:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHM1B-0005Lo-TB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 18:39:37 +0000 Received: from defout.telus.net ([204.209.205.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHM1A-0007zH-Rg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 18:39:37 +0000 Received: from edmwaa02.telusplanet.net ([75.157.155.160]) by priv-edmwes50.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091206183933.XUIA16817.priv-edmwes50.telusplanet.net@edmwaa02.telusplanet.net> for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:39:33 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.67] (d75-157-155-160.bchsia.telus.net [75.157.155.160]) by edmwaa02.telusplanet.net (BorderWare Security Platform) with ESMTP id FBF90377638F4AEC for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:39:33 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <4B1BFA65.3010900@telus.net> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 18:39:33 +0000 From: Scott Tilley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4B1B4301.8090909@telus.net> <000b01ca7667$fdf3e8d0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> In-Reply-To: <000b01ca7667$fdf3e8d0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: Re: TIL Grabber status... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) No, Canadian hams choose a call sign of their liking based on what's not is use. I choose mine based on my last name some 25 years ago when I passed the advanced exam. My other call is VA7LF... I take it there is no differentiation between those in the UK with personality disorders and those without it in your callsign system? 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Please let me know... >> >> As usual the grabber is running 24/7 in the 2200m watering hole with >> both a 60sec and 120sec dot screen... >> >> 73 Scott >> VE7TIL CN89dk >> http://www3.telus.net/sthed/argo/ >> >> >> >> > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (rly-dg02.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.86]) by air-dg01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG013-5aa4b26b3e291; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:53:48 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG025-5aa4b26b3e291; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:53:39 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKIoo-0000Kc-6R for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:51:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKIon-0000KT-Rz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:51:01 +0000 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20091226125951489.775CC7000087@mwinf3614.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <1EE1D37E49A445A0A1CE9703C17EECCF@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <6EFC885C8DAB4DC3A8454505BAF5D3A7@ns94d01ae4d850> <1261823989.6451.9.camel@vaio3rd> In-Reply-To: <1261823989.6451.9.camel@vaio3rd> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 12:59:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJECT_EXCESS_QP=0 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_LF:_=22WA=22_beacon_received_at_503kHz.?= Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600e4b36092751b0 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Rick, Looks like wd2x .. was the station .. you can check what stations are operating at : http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/spots 2009-12-24 03:38 WD2XSH/37 0.503912 -26 0 FN42fo 2 ON7YD JO20ix 5615 52 G.. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Wakatori" <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 10:39 AM To: Subject: LF: "WA" beacon received at 503kHz. > > Using WSPR, I heard "WA" beacon in CW or QRSS at around 503kHz. > The signal was visible on the screen during last night. > Please let me know the callsign and the QTH? > Rick > -- > -.. . --... .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-. > 7L1RLL under ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP) > URL=http://www1.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html > -..--- -.- .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-... ...-. > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc02.mx.aol.com (rly-dc02.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.31]) by air-dc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC072-b0c4b377f416a; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:37:59 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC028-b0c4b377f416a; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:37:39 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOvAd-0002yM-G3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:36:39 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOvAd-0002yD-3y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:36:39 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOvAb-00074S-99 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:36:39 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsIEAK8NN0tZ8IVt/2dsb2JhbACNWwaOeLRIhDME X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,459,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="384446038" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.240.133.109]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2009 15:36:11 +0000 Message-ID: <002101ca870a$4dbb3e60$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:36:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: 137.7 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01CA870A.4D441290" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01CA870A.4D441290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DL2HRT being called by OH1TN and G3WCB all good signals with me but DL= 2HRT not responding to OH1TN=20 G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01CA870A.4D441290 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
DL2HRT being called by OH1TN and G3WC= B all good=20 signals with me but DL2HRT not responding to OH1TN
G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_001E_01CA870A.4D441290-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc02.mx.aol.com (rly-mc02.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.86]) by air-mc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC014-d604b191a8f14c; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:20:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC028-d604b191a8f14c; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:20:01 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGZ04-000771-Re for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:19:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGZ04-00076s-FQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:19:12 +0000 Received: from mailout02.t-online.de ([194.25.134.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGZ03-0004i4-P6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:19:12 +0000 Received: from fwd03.aul.t-online.de by mailout02.t-online.de with smtp id 1NGYzx-0001xQ-02; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 15:19:05 +0100 Received: from e7010 (ZeRM18ZVZhL+NRQsVOxRw6xxWT5VRziOqNimCw5qBLQ+a3C0VpT3wqvJ8bGRPrZZ0Y@[84.147.224.235]) by fwd03.aul.t-online.de with smtp id 1NGYzs-0uURvs0; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 15:19:00 +0100 Message-ID: <001e01ca74ec$b9770790$6402a8c0@e7010> From: "Walter und Marianne Staubach" To: Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 15:19:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-ID: ZeRM18ZVZhL+NRQsVOxRw6xxWT5VRziOqNimCw5qBLQ+a3C0VpT3wqvJ8bGRPrZZ0Y X-TOI-MSGID: ab929257-4493-4bd9-a243-b3869a1b7cc9 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: DI2AG WSPR daylight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA74F5.1AFCB8E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA74F5.1AFCB8E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear MF, DI2AG beacon is on air in WSPR until tomorrow morning -now for= daylight reception. QRG 505.090KHz, PWR 0.4W ERP. 73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA74F5.1AFCB8E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear MF,
      &= nbsp; DI2AG=20 beacon is on air in WSPR until tomorrow morning -now for daylight= =20 reception.
QRG 505.090KHz, PWR 0.4W ERP.<= /DIV>
73  Walter  DI2AG / DJ2LF
 
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CA74F5.1AFCB8E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df12.mx.aol.com (rly-df12.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.25]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF012-5954b1a4642340; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 06:39:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF124-5954b1a4642340; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 06:38:44 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGsxQ-0006Fv-It for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 11:37:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGsxQ-0006Fm-5K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 11:37:48 +0000 Received: from mail4.ssmb.com ([199.67.179.104] helo=mail.citigroup.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGsxP-0002og-9w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 11:37:48 +0000 Received: from imbhub-mw02.nam.nsroot.net ([159.17.94.189]) by imbaspam-ny04.ssmb.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/SSMB_EXT/ev: 24737 $) with ESMTP id nB5BbdNc014498 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 11:37:40 GMT Received: from exlniht02.eur.nsroot.net (exlniht02.eur.nsroot.net [169.186.207.99]) by imbhub-mw02.nam.nsroot.net (Switch-3.4.1/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id nB5BbbkS001559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 11:37:38 GMT Received: from exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net ([169.186.219.14]) by exlniht02.eur.nsroot.net ([169.186.207.99]) with mapi; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 11:37:37 +0000 From: "Scholz, Marco " To: "'lf group (rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org)'" Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 11:37:36 +0000 Thread-Topic: OE5ODL - DD7PC tnx QSO Thread-Index: Acp1n1eaurzUjvTRQtG93DxrhU4FKQ== Message-ID: <16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C3614EC@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C3614EC@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB x-wiganss: 01000000010018exlniht02.eur.nsroot.net ID0044<16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C3614EC@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 199.67.177.46 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_000_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C3614ECexlnmb01eurns_" Subject: LF: OE5ODL - DD7PC tnx QSO X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --_000_16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4370C3614ECexlnmb01eurns_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Ossi, Thanks again for our QSO #5 on 137.700KHz in QRSS3(4). Always nice to see your big signal. Unfortunately yesterday evening i miss= ed Gerhard, OE3GHB. I saw he called me, but then i had a sekd with HB9ASB= and lost him. Later i copied you in QSO with GHB. 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boundary="0-1417164869-1260444443=:55455" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m274.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail --0-1417164869-1260444443=:55455 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FYI=A0 ??=20 "There is opposition to this proposal, primarily from the maritime service= via the International Maritime Organisation and this has led to France pr= esenting a paper under agenda item 1.10 that suggests a use for the band= 495-505 kHz using datamodes.=A0=A0This was in response to papers from Can= ada and the UK that proposed a secondary amateur band between 493 and 510(= 515) kHz.=A0=A0There appears to be no commercial or technical reasoning be= hind this paper and it is suspected to be based on emotive grounds only.= =A0=A0Nevertheless agenda item 1.23 still requires a lot more support if= it is going to be successful."=20 73 petefmt =20 --0-1417164869-1260444443=:55455 Content-Type: text/html; 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"There is= opposition to this proposal, primarily from the maritime service via the= International Maritime Organisation and this has led to France presenting a paper under agenda item 1.10 that suggests= a use for the band 495-505 kHz using datamodes.  This was in re= sponse to papers from Canada and the UK that proposed a secondary amateur= band between 493 and 510(515) kHz.  There appears to be no comm= ercial or technical reasoning behind this paper and it is suspected to be= based on emotive grounds only.  Nevertheless agenda item 1.23= still requires a lot more support if it is going= to be successful."=20

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=20 --0-1417164869-1260444443=:55455-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me08.mx.aol.com (rly-me08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.42]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME011-9ce4b1a85412b3; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 11:07:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME082-9ce4b1a85412b3; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 11:07:31 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGx9B-0006xZ-S1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 16:06:13 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGx9B-0006xQ-4a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 16:06:13 +0000 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGx99-0005Pl-21 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 16:06:13 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap4EAD8TGktcHbgr/2dsb2JhbACODwbHGYQzBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,347,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="283295119" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.184.43]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 05 Dec 2009 16:06:04 +0000 Message-ID: <002901ca75c4$d5f7d830$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <001401ca75b8$83c41b20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 16:05:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: LF/MF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA75C4.D5CCF7A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA75C4.D5CCF7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nil visible around 137.7 and only Beacon acty on 500, several blasting= away at present. g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 2:37 PM Subject: LF: LF/MF Anyone active now on LF or MF Mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA75C4.D5CCF7A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nil visible around 137.7 and only Bea= con acty on=20 500, several blasting away at present.
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Saturday, December 05,= 2009 2:37=20 PM
Subject: LF: LF/MF

Anyone active now on LF or MF
Mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CA75C4.D5CCF7A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me01.mx.aol.com (rly-me01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.34]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME041-99b4b1b9c30105; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:57:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME017-99b4b1b9c30105; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:57:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHFj3-0004XK-32 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:56:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHFj2-0004XB-Kq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:56:28 +0000 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHFj2-0006Ho-1y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:56:28 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuAEABcrG0tOlKDg/2dsb2JhbACODgbHFoQzBIFn X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,349,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="296663559" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.148.160.224]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 06 Dec 2009 11:56:21 +0000 Message-ID: <003401ca766b$1d2d0b70$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:56:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 137.7 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01CA766B.1CD28F60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CA766B.1CD28F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Plenty of QRS3 acty from EU this morning on 137.7 all good OOO cop= y here at Loc IO94SH. whereas 500 is quiet apart from G3DXZ and G3KEV de G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CA766B.1CD28F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Plenty of QRS3 act= y from EU this=20 morning on 137.7 all good OOO copy here at Loc IO94SH.
whereas 500 is quiet apart from G3DXZ= and=20 G3KEV
de G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CA766B.1CD28F60-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db04.mx.aol.com (rly-db04.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.79]) by air-db06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB064-abf4b295d2440; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:20:37 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB045-abf4b295d2440; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:20:22 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NL2Aq-0002J5-Mh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:16:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NL2Aq-0002Iw-BA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:16:48 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s3.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.14]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NL2Cs-0007xd-Fn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:18:55 +0000 Received: from BLU146-DS5 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s3.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:19:11 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [60.27.206.155] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: To: , , <500kc@500kc.com> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:19:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2009 22:19:11.0184 (UTC) FILETIME=[CADBAD00:01CA7E9D] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: China QRT Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0125_01CA7E9D.C92BDA20" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0125_01CA7E9D.C92BDA20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gents - just pulled the power from the receivers and they are being pa= cked. All China snappers are now QRT. The Alaskan receiver is still sitting on 600m http://www.kl1x.com/alas= ka.html and will stay where it is till I get to AK next week. There is bad wx up there and power outages and heavy snow is making li= fe interesting. 73 from a not so warm China. Laurence KL 1 X in BY3A ...-.- ------=_NextPart_000_0125_01CA7E9D.C92BDA20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gents - just pulled the power from the recei= vers and=20 they are being packed. All China snappers are now QRT.
 
 
There is bad wx up there and power outages= and heavy=20 snow is making life interesting.
 
73 from a not so warm China.
 
Laurence KL 1 X in BY3A  =20 ...-.-
------=_NextPart_000_0125_01CA7E9D.C92BDA20-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da06.mx.aol.com (rly-da06.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.80]) by air-da06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA064-a774b19b9c31f3; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 20:39:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA067-a774b19b9c31f3; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 20:39:17 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGjb8-0004DZ-Pz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 01:38:10 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGjb8-0004DQ-4A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 01:38:10 +0000 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGjb6-0001xB-Bw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 01:38:10 +0000 thread-index: Acp1S5Ucq91DJAqlQ5OcaGZr0MMKAg== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 X-SPAM-FLAG:NO Received: from ([127.0.0.1]) with MailEnable ESMTP; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 01:38:00 +0000 Message-ID: <9AF4BA15A6D94C3483BB006F4E38040B@radiorummet> From: "Gus" To: References: <59DC6AF25071476FA37B42E3896BC627@radiorummet> <00aa01ca7548$de12ce70$0201a8c0@Clemens04> In-Reply-To: <00aa01ca7548$de12ce70$0201a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 02:37:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-CHK: uvtcmail.se X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00EF_01CA7553.F4719420" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.6 required=5.0 tests=BEEN_TURNED_DOWN,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00EF_01CA7553.F4719420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Clemens, thanks for your info and print my WSPR formerly of 137 kHz. Not bad considering the low power used! Luke just wants attention :-) I have now closed the transmitter for the night. Best 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Clemens Paul=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 2:17 AM Subject: LF: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz Hi GUs, see below: 2118 8 0.4 136.151499 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2138 9 0.6 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2144 8 0.7 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2218 7 0.6 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2222 8 0.7 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2226 9 0.8 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 As my internert connection has been broken during the last hours no= data upload has taken place. Probably a few loggings are missing because I had to use my dipole= for receiving whis is periodically disturbed when our heater is is on. My K9AY has been turned down this late afternoon by our three months= old labrador 'Luke'. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gus=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:55 PM Subject: LF: WSPR on 137 kHz Hello LF-group, this evening i will transmit, WSPR on 137.650 kHz 136.150 kHz dial= . Power abt 50 mW ERP. Transmitter start at 16:00 GMT All reports are welcome. You can also log on,=20 www.sm6bhz.com 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - www.avg.de=20 Version: 9.0.709 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.93/2544 - Ausgabedatum:= 12/04/09 08:32:00=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00EF_01CA7553.F4719420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi=20 Clemens,

thanks=20 for your info and print my WSPR formerly of 137 kHz.
Not bad=20 considering the low power used!
Luke just wants attention=20 :-)
I have now=20 closed the transmitter for the night.

Best 73 de Gus SM6BHZ
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 05,= 2009 2:17=20 AM
Subject: LF: Re: WSPR on 137= kHz

Hi GUs,
 
see below:
 
2118   8  0.4 136.15= 1499  0=20 SM6BHZ JO57 17
2138   9  0.6 136.151500  0 SM= 6BHZ JO57=20 17
2144   8  0.7 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ JO57=20 17
2218   7  0.6 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ JO57=20 17
2222   8  0.7 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ JO57=20 17
2226   9  0.8 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ JO57=20 17
 
As my internert connection has been= =20 broken during the last hours no data upload
has taken place.
Probably a few loggings are missing= because=20 I had to use my dipole for
receiving whis is periodically=20 disturbed when our heater is is on.
My K9AY has been turned down this= late afternoon=20 by our three months old
labrador 'Luke'.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
 
 
 
 
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gus=
Sent: Friday, December 04,= 2009 4:55=20 PM
Subject: LF: WSPR on 137 kH= z

Hello LF-group,
this=20 evening i will transmit, WSPR on 137.650 kHz 136.150 kHz dial. Power abt 50 mW ERP.
All=20 reports are welcome.
You can also log on,=20
 
73= de Gus=20 SM6BHZ


Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei.
Von AVG =FCberpr=FCf= t - www.avg.de
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------=_NextPart_000_00EF_01CA7553.F4719420-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (rly-mg06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.112]) by air-mg09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG092-a1d4b2a5e86cc; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:38:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG067-a1d4b2a5e86cc; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:38:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLJIz-0007Zx-Fn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:34:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLJIz-0007Zo-4Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:34:21 +0000 Received: from pne-smtpout2-sn1.fre.skanova.net ([81.228.11.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLJLM-0005WM-7s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:36:50 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (81.235.167.68) by pne-smtpout2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (7.3.140.3) (authenticated as u33233109) id 4AE177E2007726E6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:37:12 +0100 Message-ID: <4B2A5E38.1090403@telia.com> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:37:12 +0100 From: "Johan H. Bodin" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4B2A4FAE.9010805@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <4B2A4FAE.9010805@usa.net> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Is this the Luxembourg effect ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Yes Alberto, it sounds like the Luxembourg effect. I have a heard a similar effect many times on DCF39's carrier. The high tones of the modulation are attenuated, probably because of some "thermal inertia" in the electron stuff up there. 73 Johan SM6LKM ---- Alberto di Bene wrote: > LF group, > > tuning at 128.930 kHz, the frequency of the German power utility > station, in USB mode, > I can hear what is possible to listen to in this 30 sec. MP3 file : > > http://www.sdradio.eu/audio/luxmbrg.mp3 > > Is this what is called the Luxembourg effect ? I hear a mix of various > broadcasting stations > in the intervals between the data streams. I used the mini-whip and > Perseus, and strongly doubt > that one of these components can be the cause of what otherwise could be > attributed to intermodulation. > Or, saying it better, it *is* intermodulation, but the responsible is > the ionosphere. > > Am I right ? Is that the (in)famous Luxembourg effect ? Or there is > another reason for that ? > > TNX > > 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (rly-dc04.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.33]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC024-b1c4b3147bc238; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:27:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC048-b1c4b3147bc238; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:27:10 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNDAw-0007jh-V7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:25:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNDAw-0007jY-FA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:25:54 +0000 Received: from n8a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.87.104]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNDAv-0000Tk-VI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:25:54 +0000 Received: from [68.142.200.226] by n8.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2009 22:25:46 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.73] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2009 22:25:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp425.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2009 22:25:46 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 827457.71935.bm@omp425.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 85849 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2009 22:25:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=TxkAsp7JgLCVmWyFS/9v0Ualhfur3Is7qK1dWMt+DhuJzeMRcuXDW24+i3qqezrTcnfRbQvGWlcgrNRCdv6s2E4wbaTPHl6mBPk9lN7+xINrV5/3HSZUfmoXPi1AISEa3iJjHD49skOe3jiGPDELHh4f34/cuq8/iTxWuA8cFjo= ; Received: from host86-151-140-44.range86-151.btcentralplus.com (ken.h.wright@86.151.140.44 with login) by smtp138.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2009 14:25:46 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9Y6mUHuswBAgnrOsukIiNdFDf95uy_Dz34nY1hlg2liKgYD952sjbg-- X-YMail-OSG: zmKXDZQVM1ksrboe7SnB88ti7G7GRHdbSqjEgHtwzuWL8OBM80vDbh27AzriU94239C5UFjkHLJ8uv692_oieYQLO7DAUDsTarEJ.oNR0JLfCmtSq.cyEfwA0cLVKQ5bk47PK_st5D4ZuIu545Rdc7JwRpcUDTig4WHq_Ts5oof2MSru4aoTQaUVjJmys2oOyTG77AmlSbzoBIhVtrmkHHXeyfOFWIdtIiOrjS_e8_VcAWF6rODGYpHwCDKR5lthDc_Ti2RAwW45AGAf3r4qtvcLGyO5rPoat6sN.1zwCurm2gx.zI.fqWvM.BSADyaN5hpZ_96wR7csl7529UzhHkk9hREoz6WXUlYPhLD_fxywN4GOtrpt7xyNfg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <41AD0F546A9449DBA4357932408AFEF3@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <678FAD4478574A8682D9BDE7D982EE11@lindavideo> <1f0624b90912220213l299aa2ebvd9a91a3fbd3b0983@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:25:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: PA0RDT Mini-Whip Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0063_01CA8355.B3933BB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01CA8355.B3933BB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gary and Roelof. Thankyou for your very useful comments regarding the positioning of th= e PA0RDT Mini-Whip, I am fortunate that the radio room is remote from= the house and has a separate eathing system. If I increase my 500kHz= ERP to 1W, will I still be ok, or will protection diodes be required= on the input FET gate? 73 Ken M0KHW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gary - G4WGT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:13 AM Subject: Re: LF: PA0RDT Mini-Whip Hi Ken, I have my Mini-Whip mounted with a short length of PVC tube on an1.5= metre aluminium stand off arm attached to my main steel (100mm square= ) mast at about 9 metres high. The coax runs down the mast & about 25= metres into the house. The coax braid is grounded at the base of the= mast were it enters the garage. I use that for my grabbers (off at th= e moment due to technical reasons) & it operates quite well. 73 Gary - G4WGT. 2009/12/21 Ken Hello All. I have been reading the recent posting regarding the PA0RDT Mini-W= hip earthing etc, and am becoming rather confused. I am hoping to con= struct a Mini-Whip over the Christmas break, but have issues regarding= the positioning of it, the original drawings show it on a non metalli= c mast, if I mount it high it will be within 2m vertical separation an= d a 3m horizontal separation of the top horizontal section of the ante= nna, the other option would be to mount it 1m above ground which will= give a 8m vertical separation and a 4m horizontal separation. Just to= add further problems if elevated vertically it is very close to veget= ation, and at the 1m position it will be close to the neighbour=92s ch= ain link fence. The Mini-Whip will be connected to the shack with appr= oximately 25m of 50 ohm coax. Your comments will be gratefully receive= d. 73s Ken M0KHW ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01CA8355.B3933BB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Gary and Roelof.
Thankyou for your very useful comment= s regarding=20 the positioning of the PA0RDT Mini-Whip, I am fortunate that the radio= room is=20 remote from the house and has a separate eathing system. If I increase= my 500kHz=20 ERP to 1W, will I still be ok, or will protection diodes be required= on the=20 input FET gate?
 
73
Ken
M0KHW
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 22,= 2009 10:13=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: PA0RDT Mini-= Whip

Hi Ken,

I have my Mini-Whip mounted with a short length of PVC tube on= an1.5=20 metre aluminium stand off arm attached to my main steel (100mm squar= e) mast at=20 about 9 metres high. The coax runs down the mast & about 25 metr= es into=20 the house. The coax braid is grounded at the base of the mast were= it enters=20 the garage. I use that for my grabbers (off at the moment due to tec= hnical=20 reasons) & it operates quite well.

73

Gary - G4WGT.


2009/12/21 Ken <ken.h.wright@btinternet.c= om>

Hello All.

I have been reading= the recent posting regarding the=20 PA0RDT Mini-Whip earthing etc, and am becoming rather confused. =20 I am hoping to construct a Mini-Whip over the Christmas bre= ak, but=20 have issues regarding the positioning of it, the original drawings= show it=20 on a non metallic mast, if I mount it high it will be within 2m ve= rtical=20 separation and a 3m horizontal separation of the top horizontal se= ction of=20 the antenna, the other option would be to mount it 1m above ground= which=20 will give a 8m vertical separation and a 4m horizontal separation.= Just to=20 add further problems if elevated vertically it is very close to ve= getation,=20 and at the 1m position it will be close to the neighbour=92s chain= link fence.=20 The Mini-Whip will be connected to the shack with approximately 25= m of 50=20 ohm coax. Your comments will be gratefully received.=

 =

73s

Ken

M0KHW<= /P>

 


------=_NextPart_000_0063_01CA8355.B3933BB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de12.mx.aol.com (rly-de12.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.148]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE072-51c4b1fb1bca8; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:18:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE123-51c4b1fb1bca8; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:18:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NINMJ-00020x-Gs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:17:39 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NINMJ-00020o-4H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:17:39 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate05.web.de ([217.72.192.243]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NINMH-0008Sf-5D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:17:39 +0000 Received: from web.de by fmmailgate05.web.de (Postfix) with SMTP id C2FE45CE3C7A for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:17:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from [88.76.59.99] by freemailng2503.web.de with HTTP; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:17:31 +0100 Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:17:31 +0100 Message-Id: <1527965255@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?iso-8859-15?Q?Horst_St=F6cker?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-Provags-Id: V01U2FsdGVkX18TjfEsZJi5qayVCYawwQT+DeshuwCJvr7aUNg+l6QQXTvvR g8FgoEdfjcEhblditH2PtEfrcfi7QZH548U2Z3ioZamnHHXvhHxtoKjKmpU3 w== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: SAQ testing again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) now ___________________________________________________________ Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.!=20 http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md04.mx.aol.com (rly-md04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.142]) by air-md04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD041-8fe4b19314377; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:57:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD046-8fe4b19314377; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:56:53 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGaUy-0007ZU-SC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 15:55:12 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGaUx-0007ZL-UF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 15:55:12 +0000 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGaUu-0006Rm-Tb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 15:55:11 +0000 thread-index: Acp0+iO/YljcDudAQ0uLNskWT7Hhmg== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 X-SPAM-FLAG:NO Received: from ([127.0.0.1]) with MailEnable ESMTP; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 15:55:00 +0000 Message-ID: <59DC6AF25071476FA37B42E3896BC627@radiorummet> From: "Gus" To: Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 16:55:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000012 X-CHK: uvtcmail.se X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: WSPR on 137 kHz Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01CA7502.8451FAF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CA7502.8451FAF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF-group, this evening i will transmit, WSPR on 137.650 kHz 136.150 kHz dial. Po= wer abt 50 mW ERP. Transmitter start at 16:00 GMT All reports are welcome. You can also log on,=20 www.sm6bhz.com 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CA7502.8451FAF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello=20 LF-group,
this=20 evening i will transmit, WSPR on 137.650 kHz 136.150 kHz dial. = Power abt 50 mW ERP.
Tr= ansmitter=20 start at 16:00 GMT
All=20 reports are welcome.
You can also log on,=20
 
73 de= Gus=20 SM6BHZ
------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CA7502.8451FAF0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da04.mx.aol.com (rly-da04.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.78]) by air-da09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA091-a664b2e5d411ea; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:22:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA046-a664b2e5d411ea; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:22:11 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMPNz-0007Xc-Id for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:16:03 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMPNz-0007XT-13 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:16:03 +0000 Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com ([64.12.207.164]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMPSY-0005jL-R6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:20:49 +0000 Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nBKHKelx005173 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:20:40 -0500 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.d4e.651a29f5 (34969) for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:20:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from Black (e179126018.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.179.126.18]) by cia-da07.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA076-88994b2e5ce335e; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:20:36 -0500 Message-ID: <74674232B5D144C187B6C6CAC1AC750B@Black> From: "Markus Vester" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <346854e9698cbf94f4483c66682bb63b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <4B2CDA00.6080504@att.net> <200912201058160899.2B6A2E1A@smtp2.numeo.fr> <005301ca8167$ac452e30$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> In-Reply-To: <005301ca8167$ac452e30$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:20:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: "harmonics" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Andrey. here this is happening because the receiver's gain control or noise blanker reacts on DCF39 or HGA22 telegrams. They normally occur every 11 seconds. The receiver then modulates all signals in the passband, and gives them a set of sidebands 1/11s = 0.09 Hz apart. Switching off AGC and NB will remove the sidebands on the signals completely, but at the cost of an increased background from the original DCF FSK sidebands. Kind regards, MArkus (DF6NM) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 12:28 PM Subject: LF: "harmonics" Hello LF, At strong levels of a signal such "harmonics" are formed here. Somebody knows the reason of formation of these "harmonics"? 73 Andrey From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da02.mx.aol.com (rly-da02.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.76]) by air-da01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA012-a564b22210f157; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:38:30 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA026-a564b22210f157; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:38:09 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ2s4-00056E-4B for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:37:12 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ2s3-000565-OJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:37:11 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ2s3-0006sA-2m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:37:11 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqYEADeqIUtOkHtC/2dsb2JhbACOEAbIH4QrBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,381,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="313786363" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([78.144.123.66]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2009 10:13:05 +0000 Message-ID: <001301ca7a4a$897e3a00$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:13:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 DomainKey-Status: bad format X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: LA3EQ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA7A4A.891A2100" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA7A4A.891A2100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LA3EQ audible now daytime 1012z=20 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA7A4A.891A2100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
LA3EQ audible now daytime 1012z
de mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA7A4A.891A2100-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf06.mx.aol.com (rly-mf06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.176]) by air-mf06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF062-9664b24c3d7335; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 05:37:30 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF064-9664b24c3d7335; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 05:37:13 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJlnn-00022i-T2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:35:47 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJlnn-00022Z-Dx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:35:47 +0000 Received: from psmtp04.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJloF-0002Fe-QS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:36:17 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp04.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KUL004JU6SAA9@psmtp04.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:36:10 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:36:10 +0100 From: henny van elst To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <315AF40AC1E6481D87F09316ABDB6CA5@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <286ACBB4A14E40BD9C16AFC9DBD0953B@ns94d01ae4d850> <4B24C018.1020605@inext.at> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AGC OE5 12-12.jpg Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Tu Ossi, best 73s henny cpm........... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oberreiter Oswald" To: Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 11:21 AM Subject: Re: LF: AGC OE5 12-12.jpg > hallo henny > thank you fer pic > fore long time tx running , i transmit only the number 5 in qrss75 > 73 de ossy oe5odl > > henny van elst schrieb: >> Capture Agc Oe5 >> heny pa3cpm >> 73s >> Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden >> verzonden: >> AGC OE5 12-12.jpg >> >> Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen >> virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet >> toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt >> weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.427 / Virus Database: 270.14.105/2561 - Release Date: 12/12/09 19:39:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (rly-mf02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.172]) by air-mf07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF071-9474b1d2aa52bb; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:17:55 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF025-9474b1d2aa52bb; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:17:44 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHgGT-0002Ed-Jg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:16:45 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHgGT-0002EU-3l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:16:45 +0000 Received: from mbox2.netikka.net ([213.250.81.203]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHgGR-0008Rc-Rw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:16:45 +0000 Received: from tupu.netikka.net (tupu [172.16.83.90]) by mbox2-feedback.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 098FA40804B for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 18:16:38 +0200 (EET) Received: from imp1.netikka.net (imp1.netikka.net [213.250.85.154]) by tupu.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB55F4B005F for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 18:16:37 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imp1.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03738495BB5 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 18:16:38 +0200 (EET) Received: from 558602b6.adsl.multi.fi (558602b6.adsl.multi.fi [85.134.2.182]) by imp.netikka.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:16:37 +0200 Message-ID: <1260202597.4b1d2a65f3b5c@imp.netikka.net> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:16:37 +0200 From: Paul-Henrik To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 85.134.2.182 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Broadcast audio splatter on 136kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) LF Does anybody else on the reflector suffer from BC-splatter on 136kHz? It= has been a regular occurance here lately after dark. After some identification= work I have a match on the running programmes on 171 and 225kHz, 225kHz being= the stronger. I blamed my RX chain at first and started to eliminate IMD possibilities= but even now using a passive antenna and a very sharp bandpass filter (much li= ke an IF-filter for a valve BC-set) I still have the BC splatter. So far I have not been able to determine the carrier frequency of this "ph= antom station" but it must be close to the carrier of Lakihegy. Using AM detecti= on with a narrow filter it seems centered around 135.4kHz. Sounds like two BC-stations on top of eachother and the USB reaches up in the amateur band making "ghost whispers". Luxembourg effect, transmitter IMD or just me missing the point? The bandp= ass filter is very effective and there are only weak traces of signals above 150kHz. BR Paul-Henrik, OH1LSQ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md06.mx.aol.com (rly-md06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.144]) by air-md08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD082-9104b1fe16e3cf; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:42:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD068-9104b1fe16e3cf; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:42:09 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIQWk-0003mr-J2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:40:38 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIQWk-0003mi-4e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:40:38 +0000 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIQWi-0001on-8e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:40:38 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgEFAEFwH0tOlV86/2dsb2JhbACIfM8FhCwE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,369,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="166144372" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.149.95.58]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 09 Dec 2009 17:40:30 +0000 Message-ID: <000901ca78f6$b1cc61d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <8B303A7ED38945AB81CCE7216314C304@lindavideo> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 17:40:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ken Its certainly an expensive appliance. My 500 tx was built from the junk box. The xtals are 1945/50 vintage. The FET came out of an old marine tx. My IC 706 has output on 500 and just needs a filter to clean the sig up and a FET amp added to get some qro rf out.This rig then covers from 500 kcs - 146mcs all mode capability and costs less. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 5:09 PM Subject: LF: Re: TX-2200A > More appliance operators Mal? > > 73 > Ken > M0KHW > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Warren Ziegler" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 3:30 PM > Subject: LF: TX-2200A > > > > Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 > > Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver > > muting. > > Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! > > > > http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf > > > > > > > > 73 Warren K2ORS > > WD2XGJ > > WD2XSH/23 > > WE2XEB/2 > > WE2XGR/1 > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (rly-mg06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.112]) by air-mg08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG084-a1c4b1e1770ae; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 04:08:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG066-a1c4b1e1770ae; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 04:08:02 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHw1T-000565-Jc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:06:19 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHw1T-00055w-3n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:06:19 +0000 Received: from 113-mo2-8.acn.waw.pl ([62.121.95.113] helo=paranoid.lipkowski.org) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHw1O-0005oP-1S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:06:19 +0000 Received: from paranoid.lipkowski.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id nB896l5k032310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:06:47 +0100 Received: from localhost (sq5bpf@localhost) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.6/Submit) with ESMTP id nB896kU7032307 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:06:46 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: paranoid.lipkowski.org: sq5bpf owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:06:46 +0100 (CET) From: Jacek Lipkowski To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <702134.97980.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <702134.97980.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score-sq5bpf: -2.601 () BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Broadcast audio splatter on 136kHz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Alan Just like you said - i have no personal expierience with the "rusty bolt" effect on LF/MF, and am extrapolating HF ideas down to LF :) Hypotheticaly speaking the structure size to get enough voltage into a metal-metal oxide junction is not that great. A metal fence >100m long should be enough for local signals. Paul-Henrik gave two frequencies: 171kHz and 225kHz (i can't see how they can give around 135.4kHz via mixing, so there is probably a third station involved). These could be Radio Russia from Kaliningrad (600kW) and Warsaw 1 from Solec Kujawski (1MW). Obviously the two are not local to him, so ICM might be probable (the "rusty bolt in the sky" :). VY 73 Jacek / SQ5BPF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de12.mx.aol.com (rly-de12.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.148]) by air-de06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE063-51d4b2781c727e; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:32:21 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE124-51d4b2781c727e; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:32:10 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKWX4-0003D8-LR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:29:38 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKWX4-0003Cx-1L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:29:38 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKWYh-000304-2J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:31:21 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsQEANsPJ0tOlAiJ/2dsb2JhbACIX88shCsEgWI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,399,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="341143826" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([78.148.8.137]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2009 12:30:55 +0000 Message-ID: <003601ca7d82$7279b600$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4B250D02.733.14E9A34@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC66@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:30:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I am staying, I estimate you now agree with 90% of what I have always said. Its only a matter of time for it to reach 100% Now that you are working in CYCLES you are beginning hear/see the light. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:59 AM Subject: Re: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Comparing QRSS with visual intepretation cannot be compared directly with CW using Aural decoding - you have to normalise values. Your ears have an 'effective' bandwidth for CW of , probably, around 30Hz. Within this bandwidth, most experienced operators can hear a tone, at their optimum tone frequency of choice, at around 5 - 10dB S/N. But to decode CW reliably, this S/N has to be nearer 15dB. CW experience plays a big part here (Mal, - stay...........!!) Using QRSS, you can probably get reliable visual decoding at 10 - 15dB S/N in the dot bandwidth. For 20WPM CW, with a dot of say 50ms this corresponds to 20Hz ( 1/0.05s) which is near-enough to the 30Hz noise bandwidth assumed. So aural CW and visual QRSS are roughly equal in terms of RATE / BANDWIDTH. The QRSS advantage comes about since you are prepared to trade off message duration against bandwidth. This is basic information theory as mostly worked out by Shannon in 1948. If you normalise to a standard form of Bits/second/Hz (which become Bits / cycle and is rather more meaningful when using the old cycles per second terminology of Shannon's day) then CW QRSS, and inded the various Hell formats as well, are all roughly equal in signalling capability. ie about 1B/s/Hz at 10 to 10dB S/N Even SSB voice fall into about the same region since the ear/brain does a very good noise canceling job there as well. Remember that value - its pretty constant for 'human' modes (and the actual value very operator-experience dependent) [... I said 'Stay...." :-) ] And yes, if the path was stable for several years, and the ionosphere didn't move to give Doppler spreading on your signal, then dropping to QRSSSSS....SSSSSSSS 1000000000000 you could indeed communicate with VK using a nanowatt to a hairpin! But note those caveats - if the path was stable and ionosphere... It isn't. Alan G3NYK and others have studied 137 / 500 propagation anomalies and more-or-less come to the conclusion the stable period is only tens of minutes, if that. Which precludes any faster signalling than a few tenths of a bit per second. HOWEVER, and this is where the real future lies... If you throw away the concept of simple signalling, forget CW, QRSS etc, and use a properly designed multilevel waveform with heavy forward error correction and soft decoding then you WILL gain a real 10dB or so over simple on/off. Yes you really will. As an example take WSPR, which sends 72 bits of source information in 110 seconds, that's about 0.6B/s/Hz (0r 0.6Bits/cycle - I like that terminology !) . It can do that at -29dB S/N normalised it 2.5kHz - we know that, it is accurately measured and reported by the decoding software. Since the WSPR signalling bandwidth is 1.46Hz - the symbol rate, that -29dB at 2.5kHz increases by 32dB to +3dB. And that's completely error free I reckon decent FEC can add 6dB to the signalling efficiency of human modes. Open to arguments. See www.g4jnt/MartleSham.htm for a powerpoint presentation including some simulated CW in defined S/N and more vlaues / details Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police 2009/12/15 Stefan Schfer : > Dear LF, > > I have done some further thoughts/questions about the "gain" between the > qrss modes. > > If the "gain" or better said SNR between qrss30 and qrss3 is 10dB, so can I > do a QSO to VK with 1W TX Power and an antenna efficiency of 1/1000 if I > choose QRSS10000000000? Thats a litte jokingly formulated but you know what > I mean. In other words, where are the limitations of this rule? > > In CW I think that rule cannot be valid because a dot in CW (say 20wpm) is > much shorter than 0,3s but to my experience the gain compared to qrss3 is > not even 10dB. Furthermore a PC must be seen as a source of QRM, especially > when connected to the antenna system (e.g. for switching a tx relay with the > qrs-programm) and RX (even when using a insulating transformer for the AF), > and so it always brings a negative gain, even when one uses 10s of ferrite > cores > > And: I always thought of the energy "waste" when applying 1kW (before 6 yrs > when I became qrv with a much worse antenna) to the antenna and pumping > 999,9W into the earth. But when I need 10x the time in qrss30 to do the qso > with 100W, the needed energy is the same (compared to 1kW in qrss3). So, > qsos could be done much faster if choosing 10x the power and stay in qrss3. > The additional advantage would be, if I try to do a TA QSO I could just stay > in the region of 137.7 and those who are qrv in qrss3 and only watch the > qrss3-sector would get a nice signal and thus more fascination for the > LF-hobby (I often think about the LWLs watching my transmission when no one > is answering my call ;-)). In sum, the needed energy (=money) is the same > but the needed time would be 10x less. > > Of course, there would be some problems like partial discharges due to the > high voltage at the antenna and for 10kW the kitchen stove must be connected > in parallel, that could cause QRM with the XYL... ;-) But generally it would > be interesting!? > > What is the maximum power that is applied to an antenna yet? What have you > heard yet? I have applied 1kW in a bad antenna (=> abt 100mW ERP), so 10kW > would be possible when considering to stay in the legal limit. 10kW would be > possible since one doesn't need a ferrite core that has to keep the power > (in Class E mode). In USA it would be even more easy due to the fact that > the 110V of the mains could just be rectified. Then I would take some > STW12NK90Z in parallel and a IXDD414 and try it with 15A antenna current ;-) > > Sorry, but in that hobby it is really easy to become euphoric > > > > 73 and hope for fine qsos for us J > > Stefan / DK7FC > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (rly-dd06.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.153]) by air-dd01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD011-b814b2cdd0f3de; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 09:03:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD063-b814b2cdd0f3de; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 09:02:56 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLzog-0001zo-6s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:57:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLzof-0001zf-Qd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:57:53 +0000 Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.67]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLzrv-0002XY-H8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 14:01:18 +0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=WWupFfKWN1ZoSH6iL7UAyaJ5f2xuuk5j5v2NmXnzEESmdGqM/AVJOyjdJeZ75208; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.240.15.222] (helo=ctrask) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1NLzsS-00006y-1v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 09:01:48 -0500 Message-ID: <003301ca80b3$eed331c0$de0ff004@ctrask> From: "Chris Trask" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <346854e9698cbf94f4483c66682bb63b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <001e01ca80b0$392cb0b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 07:02:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: b77fdb70683249914713efb067f9a722239a348a220c2609f61652768550a3049424e4d75ab48e23350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.240.15.222 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 > > > I think the role of the ground with active whips is often neglected - the > > output of the whip preamp is the voltage differential between the whip > > element and the circuit ground, so the ground connection is just as much > > part of the antenna as the whip element itself is. > > That's an important point that is often overlooked or ignored. A mini whip > mounted up at 5 meters is a 5 meter antenna. You can easily prove this by > mounting it at ground zero on top of a ground > screen. Been there, done that. > I can see how this would be true if the preamp is connected to the "actual" ground, meaning the earth's surface, and the whip. But the connections from the ground and whip to the preamp would also constitute an antenna since they are exposed to the EM field and cannot be of zero length. You could, however, condition the whip to avoid this. By using a coaxial cable of some sort from the ground to the whip, the inner and outer conductors would have the same voltage induced by the EM field and then TEM coupling. A transformer winding would have a first winding connected from the inner conductor to the whip, and a second winding from the outer conductor to the preamp. That would subtract out the voltage resulting from the path to ground. Chris From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db01.mx.aol.com (rly-db01.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.76]) by air-db04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB043-aa44b22cb0e36; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:43:39 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB012-aa44b22cb0e36; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:43:27 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJEBy-0002kl-1I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:42:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJEBx-0002kc-ML for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:42:29 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJEBw-0003or-RL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:42:29 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 410834C80A9 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:42:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582334C808E for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:42:22 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B22CACE.1020301@online.fr> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:42:22 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <88EEC52E6C874CCEB966804D073A3376@White> <57a24ca70912110724l43b18b68t5d2f18849fb14147@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70912110724l43b18b68t5d2f18849fb14147@mail.gmail.com> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello LF, Markus , I ad=E8re at your request ! if the activity wanted to return on= =20 2200m , perhaps that the weather would be necessary to be simple ! How says it Warren to change frequency during the night , is not possible= ! I thought of of this system : Europe : beaconing ~136 320 Asia : beaconing ~137 778 Be-Asia/Oceania : beaconing ~136 320 North-America : beaconing ~137 320 What think of this principle ? 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj Warren Ziegler a =E9crit : > Markus, > > My antenna tuning unit is outside 100 meters away from > the ham shack. > I am unwilling to go out in the winter night to retune the antenna to > QSY to the lower frequency segment. > > =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc04.mx.aol.com (rly-mc04.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.88]) by air-mc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC014-d6c4b2794b6161; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:53:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC044-d6c4b2794b6161; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:52:56 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKXn6-0004hf-LV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:50:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKXn6-0004hW-27 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:50:16 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f211.google.com ([209.85.220.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKXoT-0005iy-CH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:51:43 +0000 Received: by fxm3 with SMTP id 3so4551072fxm.4 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 05:51:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=b84JclSGogmdqmTAskICafcdOBCTJHjL23TDyy71nrw=; b=tne8NdcEX+OJ16or7eiU+bZAkTnkE07E0ziXCP5z51X0//BN2H0Vb4ves0mqvwuhtT r37aaJIow2U5uWu0m737q/S3sQvxNbSuzLQVj9oAwdtMwwmYi3akveuAGyU+OtZyTrRg EkOeAWGdhkegxhzuxZsGGTtcp0AwfhBBu/ISk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=J7158Y/X+gfqmdM8eD2jBQmcFyb3QtQyCpeJSOPq5dcmcsby4yd0E+GH7XXYVI1UzT MrRMlQdmz/qlzgdAiUcihDcmHTQW5DCEu/PiaWVOx6apuGT+bNz7XO5oABPofwjs7ZW6 BZ6h2b6TWytkpeny6HeTRbzz+NBnXjbQZO9ic= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.141.142 with SMTP id c14mr673437hba.1.1260885111722; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 05:51:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC77@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> References: <20091215112352.36901F3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC77@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:51:51 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: AW: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d223.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) 700Watts (or more) direct from Eu mains voltage http://www.g4jnt.com/137tx.pdf With a bit less safety margin, 1kW is quite feasible Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police 2009/12/15 Stefan Sch=E4fer : > Mni tnx Rik for your answer! > > > > No, you didn=92t spoil the fun at all ;-) > > > > I have some remarks/ideas. > > The coil losses increase linear with the power but not more than linear.= So, > 10x the power wouldn=92t decrease the antenna efficiency (if no arcing= occurs, > of course). If we assume an antenna, e.g. in 8m height with many topload= s, > then the efficiency will be poor but the capacitance will be high and th= us > the needed L will be small. Therefore we get a low voltage even with ver= y > high power and due to the low efficiency we will keep the legal limit.= So, > if one has no possibility to increase the antenna height QRO is one choi= ce, > especially when the operator is already in pension and cannot do a qso= in > qrss10000000000000000000000000 any more ;-) > > > > > > > > It should be possible to run a TX directly of the mains (giving about 33= 0V > DC). But for 10kW the PSU current would be 33A, requiring something like= a > 60000uF/450V elco, these large HV elco's cost a fortune (at QRL we recen= ty > had to replace a 4700uF/450V capacitor, it costed over 200 Euro). > And for a Class-D / Class-E amp running of 330V a 900V power FET might= be a > bit on the edge for a foolprove TX (but since you are spending a fortune= on > elco's you can spend some more money on 1.5kV devices ;-) ). > > > > Yes, you are right. But i mean i USA, where the voltage is 110V, you get > about 155V and thus the 900V FET would have 6 times more. For a class e= mode > PA, 4x the voltage can be reached when SWR is correct(!) so there would= be a > goog savety factor. About the Capacitors: You could reduce the needed C= when > using a 3 phase system (of the kitchen oven ;-) ). Then you would get ab= out > 268VDC and therefore a factor 3,35 to the 900V which will be critical fo= r > the FETs when SWR is not absolutely constant 1:1, so better using a > IXFH24N100 =A0;-) > > > > Really nice, that conversation! Tnx! > > > > 73, Stefan / DK7FC > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.212]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA033-863b4b38f1f71d3; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:59:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2686E3800008B; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:59:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPJr2-0006OC-UX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:58:04 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPJr2-0006O3-JS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:58:04 +0000 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPJr0-0004Px-U0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:58:04 +0000 Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091228175757.JFRE17277.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:57:57 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091228175757.ZKMT21638.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:57:57 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:57:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B38F1A1.30805.16EAE3D@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=tQEkECTdZGdkCRhU8G0A:9 a=pZIuXSDvjdAytHobacfXNX-yrMMA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: XDV beacon tonight Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d44b38f1f76908 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I will be beaconing overnight again using QRSS60 on 136.3198kHz. I note that PA3CPM is already on 136.3180kHz. Mike, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md10.mx.aol.com (rly-md10.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.148]) by air-md06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD063-9304b2470d444; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 23:43:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD108-9304b2470d444; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 23:43:02 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJgGn-00080h-1I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 04:41:21 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJgGm-00080Y-Fi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 04:41:20 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s27.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.38]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJgH5-0000jd-PS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 04:41:41 +0000 Received: from BLU146-DS1 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s27.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:41:24 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [60.27.206.155] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: To: Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 04:41:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2009 04:41:24.0572 (UTC) FILETIME=[8691F9C0:01CA7BAE] X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: busy night 137 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0085_01CA7BAE.86968DA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01CA7BAE.86968DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pretty busy http://kl1x.com/China1213.jpg and a nice strong "W" on 136= .3185/136.3184 around 1700z - got a bit noisy QRN wise later in the= night and occasional SMPSU outburst from something local. 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Pretty busy http://kl1x.com/China1213.jpg and a=20 nice strong "W" on 136.3185/136.3184 around 1700z  - got a bit no= isy QRN=20 wise later in the night and occasional SMPSU outburst from something= =20 local.
 
Laurence KL 1 X in BY3A OM89UA
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0085_01CA7BAE.86968DA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma02.mx.aol.com (rly-ma02.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.46]) by air-ma08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA083-8904b16a25b12f; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:22:42 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA022-8904b16a25b12f; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:22:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFstb-0005is-JI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:21:43 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFstb-0005ij-3v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:21:43 +0000 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFstZ-0006Yf-BY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:21:43 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah8JAAYxFktOlANV/2dsb2JhbACESYcSu0OEaIwUgS+CL1ME X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,329,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="146983627" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.148.3.85]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 02 Dec 2009 17:21:34 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01ca7373$e4baa170$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B16987B.9000002@usa.net> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:21:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Use an aluminium beer keg as the probe mounted a few metres above ground. g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alberto di Bene" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 4:40 PM Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Stefan Schäfer wrote: > > My Conclusion: It seems that a short receiving antenna can bee seen as a > capacitive divider out of the capacity between far field and antenna and > the capacity between antenna and ground. If the wire length is to much, > the input stage becomes nonlinear/goes into saturation. If the height > above ground is increased the signal comes up, but not the signal/noise > ratio(surely there will be a benefit if such an antenna is placed in a > region with heavy local qrm. Then, the height should be increased and > the wire length can be decreased). So, one cannot say “the more the > better” talking about the wire length! It would be quite interesting if somebody could try to use, instead of a wire, something with a greater capacity towards ground, e.g. a can of beer (after drinking the beer, of course...:-) One of half liter (slightly more than 1 pint) could do, I think... Maybe the increased capacity towards ground could make it more effective than a wire 73 Alberto I2PHD P.S. And the entire active antenna circuitry could be placed inside the can... From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (rly-dc10.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.39]) by air-dc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC014-b4b4b3865e031; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 03:01:48 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC107-b4b4b3865e031; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 03:01:38 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPAWY-00047y-M8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 08:00:18 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPAWY-00047p-6L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 08:00:18 +0000 Received: from mx71.mail.ru ([94.100.176.85]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPAWV-0001QF-LM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 08:00:18 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=43641 helo=EFREMOV) by mx71.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NPAWO-0002UE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:00:08 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <004301ca8793$c22753e0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: References: <4B379863.32201.6059F4@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:59:26 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: G3XDV beacon Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA87AC.D25EBFF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA87AC.D25EBFF0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Mike, capture at 02.45. 73 Andrey >I am transmitting 'XDV' on QRSS60 from now until tomorrow morning > (the 28th). The frequency is 136.3198kHz. 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 -------------------------------1260047807-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me09.mx.aol.com (rly-me09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.43]) by air-me09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME091-9d74b2f4ae4373; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 05:16:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME093-9d74b2f4ae4373; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 05:16:05 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMfDA-0000m8-6o for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:09:56 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMfD9-0000lz-QW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:09:55 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMfI8-0001Yp-Pp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:15:06 +0000 Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091221101458.JDKI27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:14:58 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091221101458.EKYU22934.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:14:58 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:14:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B2F4A9E.18930.65980E@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <1261337394.5621.6.camel@gerhard-desktop> References: <4B2E5DDD.19628.1BDFE41@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com>, <1261337394.5621.6.camel@gerhard-desktop> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=fJV0TwpL6sWwCKU6lToA:9 a=55hARDh9iufNBN71OuMA:7 a=GYvdwvkOWAIU8UkjRX8G2a1_cXQA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: test this afternoon Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 The circuiit and notes are at: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mike.dennison/index/lf/timer.htm Please note that this was a junk box project and will need to be changed to suit the components you have available. Mike, G3XDV ========== > I had exactly the same problem with overheating and burned wires a > week ago. So for this reason I would be interested which kind of > "watchdog" you installed. > > Could you please make the schematic public? > > I think many of us have concerns about safety when the TX is on while > we are sleeping. > > 73 > > OE3GHB > > Gerhard > > > > Am Sonntag, den 20.12.2009, 17:24 +0000 schrieb Mike Dennison: > > A successful test this afternoon has proved my new safety timer that > > cuts off the transmitter if it has been sending continuously for > > more than 7 minutes. This gives me more confidence to transmit > > overnight (after a worrying overheating incident a couple of weeks > > ago) and I will run some night-time beacons as soon as the weather > > becomes more reliable - more snow forecast here tonight. > > > > MIke, G3XDV > > ========== > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da09.mx.aol.com (rly-da09.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.83]) by air-da01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA011-a904b22d84914d; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:40:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA098-a904b22d84914d; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:39:55 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJF4S-0003VL-Ue for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:38:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJF4S-0003VC-1j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:38:48 +0000 Received: from mx01.infotech.at ([213.174.240.1]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJF4R-00048U-1J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:38:48 +0000 Received: from [213.174.255.45] by mx01.infotech.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJF4P-0005oo-NU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:38:46 +0100 Message-ID: <4B22D7EF.7070908@inext.at> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:38:23 +0100 From: Oberreiter Oswald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001901ca7ab9$f82c4630$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> In-Reply-To: <001901ca7ab9$f82c4630$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_08=2.435,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: ID of station on 137775.25? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000802050808020601080906" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_COMMENT_8BITS, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_BODY,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --------------000802050808020601080906 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hallo jay thanks fere report was transmiting only my nr 5 5 5 5 5 ... 73 oe5odl ossi jrusgrove@comcast.net schrieb: > Very strong copy of '5' earlier. Curious who this might be. > > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------000802050808020601080906 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------010409080807080905060605" --------------010409080807080905060605 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hallo jay thanks fere report  was transmiting only my nr 5 5 5 5 5 ...
73 oe5odl ossi

jrusgrove@comcast.net schrieb:
Very strong copy of '5' earlier. Curious who this might be.

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2


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------=_NextPart_000_0030_01CA8658.F43B2000-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da06.mx.aol.com (rly-da06.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.80]) by air-da01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA013-a724b27722362; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 06:25:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA062-a724b27722362; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 06:25:24 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKVU2-0001hl-QQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:22:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKVU2-0001hc-6p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:22:26 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKVVM-0004YO-H0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:23:50 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A95D7B8048 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:23:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36901F3863 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:23:52 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:24:17 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe References: <4B250D02.733.14E9A34@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20091215112352.36901F3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: AW: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_10136648==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_10136648==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Stefan, >If the "gain" or better said SNR between qrss30=20 >and qrss3 is 10dB, so can I do a QSO to VK with=20 >1W TX Power and an antenna efficiency of 1/1000=20 >if I choose QRSS10000000000? That=92s a litte=20 >jokingly formulated but you know what I mean. In=20 >other words, where are the limitations of this rule? In theory: yes In real world: no There are practical limitations such as: - assuming that a minimal QRSS QSO takes 15=20 minutes at QRS3 it will take 50 minutes at QRS10,=20 150 minutes at QRSS30 ... 600 minutes (=3D 10=20 hours) at QRSS120 and 50000000000 minutes (almost=20 100 centuries), meaning that your=20 grand-grand-grand-grand-...-grand child will have to finish the QSO ;-) - also the frequency stability of TX and RX and=20 dopler effects in the ionosphere will put a limit=20 to the bandwidth and thus to the meaningful dotlength >In CW I think that rule cannot be valid because=20 >a dot in CW (say 20wpm) is much shorter than=20 >0,3s but to my experience the =93gain=94 compared to=20 >qrss3 is not even 10dB. Furthermore a PC must be=20 >seen as a source of QRM, especially when=20 >connected to the antenna system (e.g. for=20 >switching a tx relay with the qrs-programm) and=20 >RX (even when using a insulating transformer for=20 >the AF), and so it always brings a =93negative=20 >gain=94, even when one uses 10s of ferrite cores=85 Tests by DK8KW, W1TAG and others have shown a 10=20 to 15dB difference between QRSS3 and regular CW.=20 Such tests are always a bit subjective (ie.=20 compare a visual signal with a auditive signal),=20 but it more or less confirms the theory. >And: I always thought of the energy "waste" when=20 >applying 1kW (before 6 yrs when I became qrv=20 >with a much worse antenna) to the antenna and=20 >pumping 999,9W into the earth. But when I need=20 >10x the time in qrss30 to do the qso with 100W,=20 >the needed energy is the same (compared to 1kW=20 >in qrss3). So, qsos could be done much faster if=20 >choosing 10x the power and stay in qrss3. The=20 >additional advantage would be, if I try to do a=20 >TA QSO I could just stay in the region of 137.7=20 >and those who are qrv in qrss3 and only watch=20 >the qrss3-sector would get a nice signal and=20 >thus more fascination for the LF-hobby (I often=20 >think about the LWLs watching my transmission=20 >when no one is answering my call ;-)). In sum,=20 >the needed energy (=3Dmoney) is the same but the needed time would be 10x= less. You are right: the energy is the same. But=20 spreading this energy over a longer time has certain advantages: - the more power you run the highter currents you=20 will have (losses in coils) and the higher antenna voltage (arcing, corona= ) - a low power TX is cheaper and easier to build - once you reach the legal 1W ERP limit "going=20 slower" is the only way to improve SNR. Either=20 the simple way (QRSS at longer dotlength) or the=20 more sophisticated way (implementing error correction, cfr. WSPR) >What is the maximum power that is applied to an=20 >antenna yet? What have you heard yet? I have=20 >applied 1kW in a bad antenna (=3D> abt 100mW ERP),=20 >so 10kW would be possible when considering to=20 >stay in the legal limit. 10kW would be possible=20 >since one doesn't need a ferrite core that has=20 >to keep the power (in Class E mode). In USA it=20 >would be even more easy due to the fact that the=20 >110V of the mains could just be rectified. Then=20 >I would take some=20 >STW12NK90Z=20 >in parallel and a=20 >= IXDD414=20 >and try it with 15A antenna current ;-) It should be possible to run a TX directly of the=20 mains (giving about 330V DC). But for 10kW the=20 PSU current would be 33A, requiring something=20 like a 60000uF/450V elco, these large HV elco's=20 cost a fortune (at QRL we recenty had to replace=20 a 4700uF/450V capacitor, it costed over 200 Euro). And for a Class-D / Class-E amp running of 330V a=20 900V power FET might be a bit on the edge for a=20 foolprove TX (but since you are spending a=20 fortune on elco's you can spend some more money on 1.5kV devices ;-) ). I hope I did not spoil the fun. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T=20 --=====================_10136648==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Stefan,

If the "gain" or better said SNR between qrss30 and qrss3 is 10dB, so can I do a QSO to VK with 1W TX Power and an antenna efficiency of 1/1000 if I choose QRSS10000000000? That=92s a litte jokingly formulated but you know what I mean. In other words, where are the limitations of this rule?
In theory: yes
In real world: no
There are practical limitations such as:
- assuming that a minimal QRSS QSO takes 15 minutes at QRS3 it will take 50 minutes at QRS10, 150 minutes at QRSS30 ... 600 minutes (=3D 10 hours) at QRSS120 and 50000000000 minutes (almost 100 centuries), meaning that your grand-grand-grand-grand-...-grand child will have to finish the QSO ;-)
- also the frequency stability of TX and RX and dopler effects in the ionosphere will put a limit to the bandwidth and thus to the meaningful dotlength

In CW I think that rule canno= t be valid because a dot in CW (say 20wpm) is much shorter than 0,3s but to my experience the =93gain=94 compared to qrss3 is not even 10dB. Furthermo= re a PC must be seen as a source of QRM, especially when connected to the antenna system (e.g. for switching a tx relay with the qrs-programm) and RX (even when using a insulating transformer for the AF), and so it always brings a =93negative gain=94, even when one uses 10s of ferrite cores=85  
Tests by DK8KW, W1TAG and others have shown a 10 to 15dB difference between QRSS3 and regular CW. Such tests are always a bit subjective (ie. compare a visual signal with a auditive signal), but it more or less confirms the theory.

And: I always thought of the energy "waste" when applying 1kW (before 6 yrs when I became qrv with a much worse antenna) to the antenna and pumping 999,9W into the earth. But when I need 10x the time in qrss30 to do the qso with 100W, the needed energy is the same (compared to 1kW in qrss3). So, qsos could be done much faster if choosing 10x the power and stay in qrss3. The additional advantage would be, if I try to do a TA QSO I could just stay in the region of 137.7 and those who are qrv in qrss3 and only watch the qrss3-sector would get a nice signal and thus more fascination for the LF-hobby (I often think about the LWLs watching my transmission when no one is answering my call ;-)). In sum, the needed energy (=3Dmoney) is the same but the needed time would be 10x less.
You are right: the energy is the same. But spreading this energy over a longer time has certain advantages:
- the more power you run the highter currents you will have (losses in coils) and the higher antenna voltage (arcing, corona)
- a low power TX is cheaper and easier to build
- once you reach the legal 1W ERP limit "going slower" is the only way to improve SNR. Either the simple way (QRSS at longer dotlength) or the more sophisticated way (implementing error correction, cfr. WSPR)


What is the maximum power tha= t is applied to an antenna yet? What have you heard yet? I have applied 1kW in a bad antenna (=3D> abt 100mW ERP), so 10kW would be possible when considering to stay in the legal limit. 10kW would be possible since one doesn't need a ferrite core that has to keep the power (in Class E mode). In USA it would be even more easy due to the fact that the 110V of the mains could just be rectified. Then I would take some STW12NK90Z in parallel and a IXDD414 and try it with 15A antenna current ;-)
It should be possible to run a TX directly of the mains (giving about 330V DC). But for 10kW the PSU current would be 33A, requiring something like a 60000uF/450V elco, these large HV elco's cost a fortune (at QRL we recenty had to replace a 4700uF/450V capacitor, it costed over 200 Euro).
And for a Class-D / Class-E amp running of 330V a 900V power FET might be a bit on the edge for a foolprove TX (but since you are spending a fortune on elco's you can spend some more money on 1.5kV devices ;-) ).

I hope I did not spoil the fun.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T --=====================_10136648==.ALT-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de03.mx.aol.com (rly-de03.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.139]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE051-4c24b22cccf1a; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:51:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE033-4c24b22cccf1a; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:50:57 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJEJG-0002rl-RE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:50:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJEJG-0002rc-DF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:50:02 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJEJF-0003rV-H0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:50:02 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16C4E4C80C6 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:49:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F7384C8029 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:49:56 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B22CC94.8020404@online.fr> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:49:56 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <88EEC52E6C874CCEB966804D073A3376@White> <57a24ca70912110724l43b18b68t5d2f18849fb14147@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70912110724l43b18b68t5d2f18849fb14147@mail.gmail.com> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Sorry typo ! 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Hi Group
 
   Anyone with experience of this driver= for power fets on 136?
 
 
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=20 --0-1871319016-1261481590=:80267-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (rly-dc03.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.32]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC024-b0e4b3662723d8; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 14:22:44 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC032-b0e4b3662723d8; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 14:22:27 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOcCL-0006qW-BZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:21:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOcCK-0006qN-Ul for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:21:08 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOcCH-00082b-T9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:21:08 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so6249460bwz.4 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:20:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=1nmAbMQsIOkBMPJY9tqiXawPFtJ4csyOPf6g+N4d24o=; b=FZwhiv270KEFsx5JxOXLex9MUQ/6fSLQx4r+FKr+dAi7eEU1qchFozerlsb+5s7iVq MiQB65wlwOliEe5oeriLAq3IjSXKcRAKOf4TUgZwg09hrgcFUybH7NvFeq035swCa6nz yiCujbHqnQaoplNsholdemM4iyhdOOQ6VH0Dw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=FDWt2oVbdLlWkyshDKhE9VJhyxmWjCf+LXnWENW9jCfCBJ80tgNi01cvO9aXhyUDff XUtQ+9XO3JH8QhX4O5cln1yX/2qyqfAwsFL6OBhVWjfFZe/7mfZB+qfX4NpqCxzfxaWx 2U5PCuzJlxwRcDV27O1gHEMgRDkE21u0JYONs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.25.67 with SMTP id y3mr8331074bkb.187.1261855257310; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:20:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <005301ca8657$3db3a2e0$0217aac0@desktop> References: <005301ca8657$3db3a2e0$0217aac0@desktop> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:20:57 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2640912261120u29f6322em76cc2087e3064f57@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: G7NKS running WSPR on 137.65 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555985a5eb5e1047ba692dc X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d277.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555985a5eb5e1047ba692dc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've got family most of the week so limited shack access Jim, but will be able to listen/look for you from next weekend on 136 WSPR. 73s Roger G3XBM 2009/12/26 James Cowburn > Dear LF, > > > > I have reconfigd my ant and vario for 137 in advance of possibly running > some tests of some new kit with G3XIZ later this week but am currently > running a vy QRPppp WSPR system as a pre-test > > > > Thanks in advance for any reports or Argo traces, though I don=92t expec= t > many if any > > With best regards > > > > > > *Jim G7NKS* > > ** > > > --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555985a5eb5e1047ba692dc Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've got family most of the week so limited shack access Jim, but will= be able to listen/look for you from next weekend on 136 WSPR.

73s<= br>Roger G3XBM

2009/12/26 James Cowburn= <james.c= owburn@virgin.net>

Dear LF,

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I have reconfigd my ant and vario for 13= 7 in advance of possibly running some tests of some new kit with G3XIZ later this week but am curre= ntly running a vy QRPppp WSPR system as a pre-test

=A0

Thanks in advance for any reports or Arg= o traces, though I don=92t expect many if any

With best re= gards

=A0

=A0

Jim G7NKS

=A0

=A0




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http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088
--00032555985a5eb5e1047ba692dc-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (rly-dc10.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.39]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC024-b464b27364a3b7; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 02:10:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC102-b464b27364a3b7; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 02:10:04 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKRUv-0006gZ-Qb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:07:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKRUv-0006gQ-Eo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:07:05 +0000 Received: from mailout.toya.net.pl ([217.113.224.27] ident=postfix) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKRWA-0002sQ-4y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:08:24 +0000 Received: from mail.toya.net.pl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21FB420000055 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:08:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (unknown [10.11.152.246]) (Authenticated sender: unimlyn) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 108822000004C for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:08:37 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B2735F3.9050106@toya.net.pl> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:08:35 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?UGlvdHIgTcWCeW5hcnNraQ==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000e01ca7cf8$b02ccc60$6402a8c0@e7010> <4B26C14B.6000602@toya.net.pl> <131FF80960B649FF8AB6BA79FC821050@AGB> In-Reply-To: <131FF80960B649FF8AB6BA79FC821050@AGB> X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG QRSS3// SQ7MPJ Grabber Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070505060006080408070007" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------070505060006080408070007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Graham wrote: > Piotr > > Is this location to be permanent ... if so I can add to :- > > http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/500-khz-grabbers > > Tnx- G .. Hello Graham, Yes, grabber location (JO91RS) as well as its internet address will be kept constant while the frequency area covered will be changed on different occasions. 73, Piotr,sq7mpj qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ --------------070505060006080408070007 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Graham wrote:
Piotr
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Is this=C2=A0 location to=C2=A0 be= =C2=A0 permanent=C2=A0 ... if so=C2=A0 I can add=C2=A0 to=C2=A0 :- =C2=A0
=C2=A0
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Tnx- G ..
Hello Graham,
Yes,=C2=A0 grabber =C2=A0 location=C2=A0 (JO91RS)=C2=A0 as well as its int= ernet address=C2=A0 will be kept constant
=C2=A0while the frequency area=C2=A0 covered=C2=A0 will be changed on diff= erent
occasions.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 73,=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Piotr,sq7= mpj

qth: Lodz /jo91rs/

--------------070505060006080408070007-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df08.mx.aol.com (rly-df08.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.21]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF083-56f4b2113811de; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:28:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF086-56f4b2113811de; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:28:03 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIkv2-00032Y-Kp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:27:04 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIkv2-00032P-3x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:27:04 +0000 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIkv0-0001Fv-2J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:27:04 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgIGAJqhIEtZ8YAC/2dsb2JhbACIcM5IhCsEgWM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,375,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="308519577" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([89.241.128.2]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2009 15:25:19 +0000 Message-ID: <006501ca79ac$fd5bad20$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <135E792448854F708A9745D2BD305468@gmc.net> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:25:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 The Ropex only cost 150 and produced 130watts output. The ropex osc was easy to modify for multi freq and some also modified the osc to VFO. I have a Ropex here and it worked well. It has not been used for years and was only used as a standby rig by me. I got it second hand. 73 mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petr Mal" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 4:14 PM Subject: LF: Re: TX-2200A > Well, I am not sure that it is a good news, in fact. So far only people that > were able and willing to build their own TX's (Ropex First was not a hit, > was it) were on the band. And the ham-spirit existed on the band. Something > that I loved and admired most. > I am sure some people will invest the money. It will be much easier for them > to get on the band and therefore they will not appreciate the band as we > did. Hopefully no one will start to produce the loading coils as well. At > least something that the newcomers should manage. > > 73, Petr, OK1FIG > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Warren Ziegler" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 4:30 PM > Subject: LF: TX-2200A > > > > Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 > > Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver > > muting. > > Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! > > > > http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf > > > > > > > > 73 Warren K2ORS > > WD2XGJ > > WD2XSH/23 > > WE2XEB/2 > > WE2XGR/1 > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > > signature database 4673 (20091209) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4673 (20091209) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (rly-mb01.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.154]) by air-mb01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB013-ce64b27e00d34c; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:14:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB012-ce64b27e00d34c; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:14:23 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKco7-0000VJ-J8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:11:39 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKco7-0000VA-6Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:11:39 +0000 Received: from mail-ew0-f223.google.com ([209.85.219.223]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKcpu-0005xF-Ro for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:13:32 +0000 Received: by ewy23 with SMTP id 23so206770ewy.4 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:13:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=hUT7/VDjZaOzuERJGP/glOVO++ke3hGqIyp0Isbq2+Y=; b=aTygiaLLlm+lHsTVUl4z0tteiW4aLVJPQrj0itu/PEcTRi+ExGMBk3FSgRIz7CYWqJ oOHpyTpShCtt8CmKXvDOiIe2bCEzQ67jo0pKb0d9W0coARm0TKHv3MrvMEMydO2ODwhn rYAuXmC4nYQ9zxmbFynpc19hycEbSFJ/fqNmk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=NzD0rSb28Df0v3hRRRpyT3ymHKkjmYoVtNymyvVGTQmbcVJC753lXPlmI2HLhlm0D3 L39+N0ZZrHSgcHnEMtQJtI7aQcWUqjVTkX17qkTr6myoYxjUcIbs3NN0wd4YRQdJJPDZ MhfiiXOtn/MkAub0HbH8KPSBjf0hX6Mxoykzo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.2.67 with SMTP id 3mr5604774ebi.77.1260904402820; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:13:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:13:22 +0100 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anton_B=E4rtschi?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174015c0069e18047ac92f4f X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d282.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0015174015c0069e18047ac92f4f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The SM6BHZ Beacon on 600m is 579 here tonight. Not bad for 3W. Why WSPR when CW works fine? What a wonderfull band! 73 de Toni, HB9ASB --0015174015c0069e18047ac92f4f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The SM6BHZ Beacon on 600m is 579 here tonight. Not bad for 3W.
Why WSP= R when CW works fine? What a wonderfull band!
73 de Toni, HB9ASB
The Alaskan receiver is still sitting on 600= m http://www.kl1x.= com/alaska.html =20 and will stay where it is till I get to AK next week.
--0015174015c0069e18047ac92f4f-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df05.mx.aol.com (rly-df05.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.18]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF084-5534b1b434d180; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 00:38:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF058-5534b1b434d180; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 00:38:22 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NH9o2-0002XD-6v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 05:37:14 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NH9o1-0002X4-41 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 05:37:13 +0000 Received: from defout.telus.net ([199.185.220.240]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NH9ny-0006Qo-Pu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 05:37:13 +0000 Received: from edtnaa02.telusplanet.net ([75.157.155.160]) by priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091206053807.IQN703.priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net@edtnaa02.telusplanet.net> for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 22:38:07 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.67] (d75-157-155-160.bchsia.telus.net [75.157.155.160]) by edtnaa02.telusplanet.net (BorderWare Security Platform) with ESMTP id 3B7C80D0E3AD1FE4 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 22:37:06 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <4B1B4301.8090909@telus.net> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 05:37:05 +0000 From: Scott Tilley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: TIL Grabber status... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Gentlemen and Mal I've been tweaking the grabber some more and found that there where some bugs when viewing it with Microsoft IE (which I don't use for this and many other reasons...) Now fixed. Also the DCF39 grabber has entered a stable data gather mode. A weekly animation of the daily plots will now be provided. Anyone interested in raw data should drop me a line off list. Any suggestions? Please let me know... As usual the grabber is running 24/7 in the 2200m watering hole with both a 60sec and 120sec dot screen... 73 Scott VE7TIL CN89dk http://www3.telus.net/sthed/argo/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME032-9cc4b2d0dfa29b; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:31:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME078-9cc4b2d0dfa29b; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:31:39 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NM34Y-0002hE-60 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:26:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NM34X-0002h5-Pz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:26:29 +0000 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.157]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NM37s-0003M4-6Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:29:58 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so885733fga.10 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 09:30:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=T8ixUgJp2gnBBkaZXfDNCPDbSIuhJlO4xjtWMKVFFXA=; b=qnSJXLMeTlJvN24b6/0PJm+e3KJpmPQU18QhpX8LoII+We6hKiXrC+Hx7Ruxe/N8/D 63D1Nv0oLv0Aqf1fC+XQAa3DRs2K/07Wqi9snXlFLNtsA+UAEc05DHFTPbWlnGmd/Y/L Z2DJRTfHuQT931hwUHcY+bCMgWf+jm+/r+ORg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=WTj3x09wOhU4a/gieHkxXGwZt0kuKgHllRIS4ua9fhYWpj1WbeToE6SLyRuVkNdG5u DTkuo3RhjUEYxXNIMYsvMiprwF5RJKIKnudzxhpVPcXa/ED57epljrifd3RTzHU1q5Kb iIW0WKxKvUspY3utqjsrA8tMCRLdviFv4z3pQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.186.199 with SMTP id i7mr538625hbh.102.1261243836492; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 09:30:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <002501ca80cc$2df97f90$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <346854e9698cbf94f4483c66682bb63b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <001e01ca80b0$392cb0b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <002501ca80cc$2df97f90$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:30:36 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d277.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Not true on HF Rx. The UK Navy have used active whips on their ships for many years for HF Receiving - the AVK is a long tried and tested unit. A two-metre long piece of scaffold pole forming the E-Field probe into a wide dynamic range high input-Z, unity voltage-gain buffer amp. Specified for 10kHz tto 50MHz Metal hulled ships do have to advantage of giving a very good ground connection, however, and paying proper attention to decoupling and bonding prevents outside-braid induced interference from gettign anywhere near teh antenna probe. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police > There is no substitute for a real resonant antenna at the working frequency. > G3KEV > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me05.mx.aol.com (rly-me05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.39]) by air-me07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME072-9b54b3874c07a; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 04:05:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME051-9b54b3874c07a; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 04:05:05 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPBW8-0004Np-J4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:03:56 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPBW8-0004Ng-3v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:03:56 +0000 Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.213.6]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPBW6-0001hY-60 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:03:56 +0000 Received: from [172.23.170.142] (helo=anti-virus02-09) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NPBW5-0000A8-14 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:03:53 +0000 Received: from [92.235.33.173] (helo=p4) by asmtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NPBVx-0004IF-Up for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:03:46 +0000 Message-ID: <5263798E332240C3BC686B3164057D2F@p4> From: "Mark" To: References: <80578.2091.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:03:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: WD2XSH/17 decoded in GM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006F_01CA879C.A91ABC30" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01CA879C.A91ABC30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All,=20 3 instances of decodes of WD2XSH on 503.890KHz last night between 01:0= 0 and 03:00z all with bad message tagged, and no /17 appended These of course did not upload, sigs were 2 off -28 dB and 1 off -27dB Several other corrupted calls reported on the same frequency. I was using WSPR1.01, now upgraded to WSPR2 r1714. The change log doe= s not suggest that 1.01 does not handle the suffixes correctly, but I= am hoping that the upgrade will improve things Interestingly the RX noise level indicator says -30dB all the time,= irrespective of the audio level settings, though it displays and deco= des well enough. Soundcard setup is non-standard here, RX is softrock, processed by Spe= clab (which also provides the grabber see www.dc2light.co.uk for a li= nk) Audio Output from Speclab is filtered, frequency shifted and then= passed to the WSPR software. Pleased to copy the WD2XSH/17 on the tiny mag loop antenna, which is= aligned roughly E-W and therfore has a null towards the USA Hopefully future spots will reach the database. Hope all have a happy and prosperous 2010 Mark GM4ISM IO85AR ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01CA879C.A91ABC30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All,
3 instances of decodes of WD2XSH=20 on 503.890KHz last night between 01:00 and 03:00z all with bad= message=20 tagged, and no /17 appended
These of course did not upload, sigs= were 2 off -28=20 dB and 1 off -27dB
Several other corrupted calls reporte= d on the same=20 frequency.
 
I was using WSPR1.01, now upgraded to= WSPR2 =20 r1714. The change log does not suggest that 1.01 does not handle the= suffixes=20 correctly, but I am hoping that the upgrade will improve things=
 Interestingly the RX noise leve= l indicator=20 says -30dB all the time, irrespective of the audio level settings, tho= ugh it=20 displays and decodes well enough.
Soundcard setup is non-standard here,= RX is=20 softrock, processed by Speclab (which also provides the grabber = see www.dc2light.co.uk fo= r a link) Audio Output=20 from Speclab is filtered, frequency shifted and then passed to the WSP= R=20 software.
 
Pleased to copy the WD2XSH/17 on= the tiny mag=20 loop antenna, which is aligned roughly E-W and therfore has a null tow= ards the=20 USA
Hopefully future spots will reach the= =20 database.
Hope all have a happy and prosperous= =20 2010
Mark GM4ISM IO85AR
------=_NextPart_000_006F_01CA879C.A91ABC30-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da03.mx.aol.com (rly-da03.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.77]) by air-da08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA083-a604b18be6126e; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 02:46:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA038-a604b18be6126e; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 02:46:43 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGSqu-0005aW-Ml for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 07:45:20 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGSqu-0005aN-3z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 07:45:20 +0000 Received: from pne-smtpout2-sn1.fre.skanova.net ([81.228.11.159]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGSqs-0003Ld-B2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 07:45:20 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (81.235.167.68) by pne-smtpout2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (7.3.140.3) (authenticated as u33233109) id 4AE177E2005B1C60 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 08:45:12 +0100 Message-ID: <4B18BE10.9090208@telia.com> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 08:45:20 +0100 From: "Johan H. Bodin" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB1C@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB1C@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AW: [Fwd: Extra transmission with SAQ Dec 10 2009] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) I'm sorry but I didn't do the spelling - I simply forwarded the message=20 I got from SAQ. 73 Johan SM6LKM Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > The german physicist is called Karl Ferdinand Braun=20 > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Ferdinand_Braun )! >> The reason for the extra transmission is a centenary commemoration of= =20 >> the Nobel Prize given to Guglielmo Marconi and Karl Ferdinand Brown. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me03.mx.aol.com (rly-me03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.36]) by air-me07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME071-9a84b1b87c4239; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 05:30:37 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME034-9a84b1b87c4239; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 05:30:29 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHEN4-0003bs-Jo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:29:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHEN4-0003bj-8Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:29:42 +0000 Received: from out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.244]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHEN3-0005np-NI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 10:29:42 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtsFAP4VG0tZ8fGL/2dsb2JhbACODgbGbYI6gXkE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,349,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="286001677" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([89.241.241.139]) by out1.ip08ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 06 Dec 2009 10:29:14 +0000 Message-ID: <002801ca765e$f543b8e0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:29:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500 pirate Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01CA765E.F50CF170" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01CA765E.F50CF170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some G7 stn calling me in Beacon mode giving me 557 report and Loc.= Could be a Pirate, unusual procedure. G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01CA765E.F50CF170 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Some G7 stn calling me in Beacon = ; mode giving=20 me 557 report and Loc. Could be a Pirate, unusual procedure.
G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_0025_01CA765E.F50CF170-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df03.mx.aol.com (rly-df03.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.16]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF072-53e4b1698ce29b; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:42:08 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF037-53e4b1698ce29b; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:41:52 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFsFs-0005CO-V7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:40:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFsFs-0005CF-Aq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:40:40 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFsFr-00077e-Bi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:40:40 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 965302ACF19 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:40:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps02.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.138] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.58V) with ESMTP id XID109NLBqOG8032X01; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:40:32 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.138 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps02.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID109NLBqOG8032X01 Received: from [192.168.1.4] [151.47.216.216] by cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 496NLBqOd9872M38; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:40:29 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.216.216 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.4] Message-ID: <4B16987B.9000002@usa.net> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:40:27 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID496NLBqOE9872X38 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer wrote: >=20 > My Conclusion: It seems that a short receiving antenna can bee seen as= a=20 > capacitive divider out of the capacity between far field and antenna and= =20 > the capacity between antenna and ground. If the wire length is to much,= =20 > the input stage becomes nonlinear/goes into saturation. If the height=20 > above ground is increased the signal comes up, but not the signal/noise= =20 > ratio(surely there will be a benefit if such an antenna is placed in a= =20 > region with heavy local qrm. Then, the height should be increased and=20 > the wire length can be decreased). So, one cannot say =E2=80=9Cthe more= the=20 > better=E2=80=9D talking about the wire length! It would be quite interesting if somebody could try to use, instead of a= wire, something with a greater capacity towards ground, e.g. a can of beer (after drinking= the beer, of course...:-) One of half liter (slightly more than 1 pint) could do, I think... Maybe the increased capacity towards ground could make it more effective= than a wire 73 Alberto I2PHD P.S. And the entire active antenna circuitry could be placed inside the ca= n... From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me04.mx.aol.com (rly-me04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.38]) by air-me07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME072-9ae4b2f951c23e; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:32:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME042-9ae4b2f951c23e; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:32:46 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMk9V-000278-TM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:26:29 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMk9V-00026z-H0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:26:29 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMkEc-0003kz-Kq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:31:48 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBLFViFX015364 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:31:45 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:31:44 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:31:44 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACED@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: Some signals this evening? Thread-Index: AcqA0XalXqbEYzrTRKG3BklGU7vUMABgJMrw From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.637;21.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.21.151526 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: LF: Some signals this evening? X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear LF,=20 I will do some RX tests out in the field, starting in about 30 minutes. Wi= ll there be some activity? That would be nice! I will listen in CW and QRS= S3. I will test until my feet are not to cold ;-) Hope for the best SNR I= have ever heard/seen ;-) Best 73! Stefan/DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me04.mx.aol.com (rly-me04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.38]) by air-me10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME104-9b04b2df4a7ea; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 04:56:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME044-9b04b2df4a7ea; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 04:55:53 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMIQP-0006Ro-Am for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 09:50:05 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMIQO-0006Rf-TX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 09:50:04 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMIUo-00011T-IC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 09:54:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 23429 invoked by uid 507); 20 Dec 2009 10:54:22 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2009 10:54:22 +0100 Message-ID: <200912201054240958.2B66A409@smtp2.numeo.fr> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 10:54:24 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: F6BWO 339 by ear on hand speed CW on 137 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Two others detected but not readable at 0950z. F5VLF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma05.mx.aol.com (rly-ma05.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.49]) by air-ma05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA052-8a74b16873af4; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 10:26:59 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA051-8a74b16873af4; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 10:26:51 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFr4x-0004Lw-LP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:25:19 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFr4x-0004Ln-46 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:25:19 +0000 Received: from smtp820.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.189.247]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFr4v-0005ZJ-PX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:25:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 30324 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2009 15:25:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=bhxbs6p9ZvBRAFxEnXRUxPwJvswaJFmnjgjo9IfrKADMaDXq66yxsUW11rTfFcgdDsKxpiO72usi/I+KNZzhswt1yGNB61L1eDzOr6K12clCc65l0UcWizAwwnazDRwCE+fZNJY6ObZwFsP7Kcyie1OpvdeIqTEvn7umswY5QP0= ; Received: from unknown (HELO IBM7FFA209F07C) (c.ashby435@81.135.138.168 with login) by smtp820.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 15:25:12 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9STUSnaswBBSd6nO_2gAC20jmYlWRjmg8d5iYd8s.rl181aR6Sw- X-YMail-OSG: yBt.3KUVM1mpoq.j7X2yONMZ419rci_590.H2bV54HFiPhdIiF2wE6aFdB4xLTjeQqR7o89UutyRWBMSuKAPijxcFXYGC2pqQqI7lxtHyuYvLkPO2TnON9DTxO_pdxe2UnwPG0faZRVdQM0qkdeVXBRfvkI31JP4oyUMyiRb9Z2y2zPOF1sXGDJvvga6Qw04fpk_uzOK_rKrkfDmoDwPPA04avkLVzjow76hscZ4ywrzODtvT1yWwmy4rc9JsvfdQMK_N.PhwPpFqga7Ib_f80YKoQhA0wsjKwHY X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <2FF5BE0915484B3EB86B7B946032FA80@IBM7FFA209F07C> From: "Chris" To: "RSGB LF Group" Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:25:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: G3XDV Test or Beacon Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01CA7363.A4964AF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.3 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CA7363.A4964AF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mike, G3XDV, Are you planning any tests or beaconing this evening? Three of us foun= d your signal last evening most useful for comparitive equipment and= antenna set ups. We would all like you to do it again! It's not often= we get such a reliable, consistent and strong signal for such puposes= . Thanks. Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CA7363.A4964AF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Mike, G3XDV,
Are you planning any tests or beaconi= ng this=20 evening? Three of us found your signal last evening most useful for co= mparitive=20 equipment and antenna set ups. We would all like you to do it again!= It's not=20 often we get such a reliable, consistent and strong= signal for=20 such puposes.
Thanks.
Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable,=20 Kent.
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CA7363.A4964AF0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md04.mx.aol.com (rly-md04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.142]) by air-md02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD023-8fb4b1ab44322d; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 14:28:22 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD043-8fb4b1ab44322d; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 14:28:04 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NH0HY-0007Z9-J3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 19:27:04 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NH0HY-0007Z0-4t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 19:27:04 +0000 Received: from smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NH0HW-0006JS-Al for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 19:27:04 +0000 Received: from bb-87-82-1-60.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.1.60] helo=[192.168.0.3]) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NH0HV-0001dv-V9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 19:27:02 +0000 Message-ID: <4B1AB45C.8080403@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 19:28:28 +0000 From: Peter Dodd User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <1259777260.4b16acec27aa8@imp.netikka.net> <4B179D08.3030706@ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: reducing common-mode noise Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Roelof, I used a similar one for a multiband dipole for the upper HF frequency bands but I don't think they would work for LF. Regards Peter, G3LDO > > Have you also been looking into the performance of bifiliar wound > common mode chokes, e.g. 15 turns on the popular FT-37-43 Amidon > ferrite toroid? > > These come in handy for receiver applications. > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df06.mx.aol.com (rly-df06.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.19]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF022-55c4b1d1516381; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:45:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF067-55c4b1d1516381; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:45:44 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHep8-0001da-EW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:44:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHep8-0001dR-2O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:44:26 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate04.web.de ([217.72.192.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHep7-00051Y-6Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:44:26 +0000 Received: from web.de by fmmailgate04.web.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 23B19622CD31 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:44:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from [84.63.121.134] by freemailng2503.web.de with HTTP; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:44:17 +0100 Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:44:17 +0100 Message-Id: <1523739247@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?iso-8859-15?Q?Horst_St=F6cker?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-Provags-Id: V01U2FsdGVkX1/QVNJUtsC2Pp864OGNBOjB4X9YmG5Uq8QDr9TVS89W9pIvK Rwv3hSFCTQByk+Jr4LNVYx8jQ5bGTXOixHoau6UyCs/BMLmfWy796ZszKBem g== X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Correct test time Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) As I wrote before: The flyer says from 9.12. 23 UTC to 10.12. 1 UTC. Horst > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: "Chris" > Gesendet: 07.12.09 14:28:16 > An: "RSGB LF Group" > Betreff: LF: Correct test time Hi All, > Re: Test DDH47 147.3 QRSS3. > This has now got VERY confusing. Is the transmission one hour UTC=20 > either side of midnight 9th into 10th, or one hour UTC either side of=20 > midnight 10th into 11th December? > Incidentally, my first message along these lines got a failure notice, > it said "This message scored 4.5 spam points - rejected". No comment=20 > necessary! >=20 > Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent. ___________________________________________________________ Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.!=20 http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME024-9c94b16a5c8175; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:37:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME075-9c94b16a5c8175; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:37:14 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFt7m-00060x-6F for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:36:22 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFt7l-00060n-EO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:36:21 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFt7k-0006gV-ED for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:36:21 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 278B92ACEDE for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:36:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps03.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.132] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.58V) with ESMTP id XID757NLBRKo2976X01; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:36:14 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.132 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps03.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID757NLBRKo2976X01 Received: from [192.168.1.4] [151.47.216.216] by cmsapps03.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 940NLBRKL7840M39; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:36:11 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.216.216 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.4] Message-ID: <4B16A588.4020408@usa.net> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:36:08 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <9afca2640912020929k28ed644dl8f58ace35432e49@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9afca2640912020929k28ed644dl8f58ace35432e49@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID940NLBRKm7840X39 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz WSPR (last time before trying 136kHz WSPR) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Roger Lapthorn wrote: > This evening I'm TXing on 500kHz WSPR (1mW ERP) and would appreciate > reports. Dial frequency ? UTC time of start and end ? 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf10.mx.aol.com (rly-mf10.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.180]) by air-mf09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF091-98a4b2956843b8; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:52:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF108-98a4b2956843b8; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:52:05 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NL1ji-0001p4-Q6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:48:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NL1ji-0001ov-8g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:48:46 +0000 Received: from n16.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NL1lk-0007l4-8s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:50:52 +0000 Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n16.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2009 21:51:09 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.243] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2009 21:51:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp404.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2009 21:51:09 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 411467.91694.bm@omp404.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 48327 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2009 21:51:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=oh7R8Y8kyPH55MWiDsjlnSUj5Cwd0Npypo9vP8RD490FOrWJWUDHO4gC/eJqVqyRLtBGPIZjfUElbYN0DL+P6ICOEoQTVdQQrCn99N5msapSGCm6PIVgsciybKcCPM12MvLItb5DWFhWufAj74AU6cE3sRIwI7wJPPtoZ68G11E= ; Received: from host86-151-140-44.range86-151.btcentralplus.com (ken.h.wright@86.151.140.44 with login) by smtp139.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2009 13:51:08 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9Y6mUHuswBAgnrOsukIiNdFDf95uy_Dz34nY1hlg2liKgYD952sjbg-- X-YMail-OSG: aPqHwHoVM1mSfz2ZGFGr8zp8f0vQEpbpd9tHFcObDkoAWx2e5nAM6PACgruwlG3Fk7keojJbY1mekcTyBl9npd1ZL9SK6ryjd9BQZVIUum5ssKQBd4UP5DGpN2uytqMmH6T0hLKzVXQU2YpNKv.JDnluJUKM2aiVPolNGeqZobPrdBgRZ4IOMnWwzc1W8IHD6_a9U7wL5RIBVtAA3.sPiqpYnWwKlYQOqdIXzD7Em751aNERvH7JOWSG184YwmrVciWwLPKsUEbHrtvoaDI9D.AfwbF2BxE6.Tpl59fBPBqHrHWm8eoMkdBsyUHOx.uE8GRp X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <59A1DD423A544FFE876064F19CF6F50D@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <572685.58103.qm@web86501.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:51:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Alan. Phantom circuits are also very useful for signalling, if you use transformers at each end with two balanced windings connected via a capacitor you have many combinations of switching and signalling, which we used in the old Post Office days. You can also graduate to the relms of double phantoms for music circiuts etc. 73s Ken M0KHW ----- Original Message ----- From: "ALAN MELIA" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 8:37 PM Subject: Re: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Hi Stephan, well if you are running an optic cable why not run power as well. It should be relatively easy to keep the pick out of the power rail. If you are worreied about pick up on the power rails use a rechargable battery and just use the power feed when you are not receiving for recharging the battery. Coax is not always the answer, and the old fashioned method of balanced pairs is often more effective, If you use a centre-tapped transformer at each end you can even feed the power down the "phanton circuit". My old affiliation to a telephone company is showing :-)) Alan G3NYK --- On Wed, 16/12/09, Stefan Schäfer wrote: > From: Stefan Schäfer > Subject: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Wednesday, 16 December, 2009, 16:51 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lowfers, > > > I > want to > start a new subject (for me it's > new)... > > The > last weeks > I still had RX problems, either with the tx antenna or with > the short E-flied RX > antenna. > > I > found out > that the noise was/is generated by my notebook which made > RXing difficult, even > in regions without any else local QRM (what could almost > bring me to shut down > the PC and just do nice and easy CW QSOs without anything > else! (but most > traffic is in QRSS...)). > > Then > I have > done mni tests with many many ferrite cores (that I found > in an older emc lab > in our institute), e.g. 20x FT50-77 plus 20x FT50-43 plus > 20x FT50-61 and e few > others. I placed them all in series, partly in the near of > the preamp and/or in > the near of the RX. Sure, there was a significant reduction > of noise but lastly > the noise remains. > > Accidentally, > during a test with my VFO connected to the same 12V supply > of my preamp, I observed > a strong line in the argo monitor EVEN without an antenna > (short wire) > connected to the VFO and when turned the amplitude to zero! > That meant for me, the > VFO and its supply is not suppressed enough and so some RF > comes to the preamp > by the coax and supply line! (the preamp is supplied by a > battery). I thought, I > can use this (normally unwanted) coupling path to test the > blocking capability > of the ferrite cores and so I tried it with all variations > and later with an > additional BIG ferrite core and many turns of RG174. As I > meant, surely there > is a significant noise reduction but the line in argo was > still well visible! > > What > I have > done then (since 4 days) is using a coupling link by an > optic transmission of > the 137kHz signal between the preamp and my RX using a SFH750V > as the TX Diode and a SFH350 > as the RX and abt 20m of a fiber optic cable (yes, there > are surely more suited > components but these were available in the moment). These > are also used as > optic links into high end audio systems and therefore easy > to get... > > Now, > when > placing the preamp on the same place then during the tests > before and just > changing the coax by the fiber optic cable, the line by the > VFO was completely > gone!! Just with an antenna connected to the VFO and high > amplitude (and thus e > real near-field “connection”) it came back. The > overall noise level > decreased to its absolute minimum during all the tests. > > > Before > I used > this optic cable the only signal that could be received > (out of the city with > much much qrm) was DCF39 and DLF and so on. Now, DCF39 came > out with much > better SNR and I saw the first LF Stn at all, it was Ossi / > OE5ODL transmitting > his 5s in the evening (tnx! very nice SNR in QRSS3 > mode). > > My > conclusion > is, that the qrm is always brought to the very sensitive > E-field antenna by the > coax, even when doing many usual suppression methods cause > there always remains > a residual coupling impedance between both sides of the > cable. Furthermore a > long coax cable, say 20m away from the shack carries some > qrm to the near of > the rx antenna so the effective distance to the shack is > always reduced. > > One > small disadvantage > of this method is the need for a battery supply. My TX > diode needs abt 20mA and > is now working since 3 days with a 7AH Lead Acid battery. > In the future I plan > to use a stereo optic cable. Then, one could switch the > preamp on and off by > the seconds line doing it the opposite way. So, smaller > batteries could be > used, which is necessary when mounting the preamp to a > shaky fiber mast if one > does not want to change the batteries each few hours > ;-) > > Signal > distortion seems to be no problem, as I can confirm until > now. > > Now, > my K2 has > an optical LF input! ;-) > > Perhaps > this > will give some ideas to the local qrm bothered stns who > tried everything with > ferrite cores, isolating transformers and so on without a > satisfying result. > > NOTE: I do not know if anyone has tried > this before and has > written a publication about that. My goal is not > to be the hero in inventions, to become popular and > especially not to compete with > anyone (like it seems > to be usual in career/job to be the one who gets the pay > rise) but just to > share my ideas to those who are interested to try something > new (?). I do not > say that my solution is the best at all and so on! But, if > it will help only > one Lowfer getting new ideas and improving his station, and > if this improvement > results in more activity on the band, then it would have > helped all of us! > > > > > > 73s > es 55 de > Stefan / DK7FC > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (rly-dg11.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.95]) by air-dg08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG084-6074b2d7f5b3a1; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 20:35:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG118-6074b2d7f5b3a1; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 20:35:25 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMAcD-0004Rg-B6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 01:29:45 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMAcC-0004RX-FK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 01:29:44 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s7.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.18]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMAgQ-000804-1o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 01:34:07 +0000 Received: from BLU146-W20 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s7.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:33:58 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [218.67.241.10] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:33:58 -0900 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4B2CDA00.6080504@att.net> References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <346854e9698cbf94f4483c66682bb63b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> ,<4B2CDA00.6080504@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2009 01:33:58.0443 (UTC) FILETIME=[803F1FB0:01CA8114] X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_17ba67a4-c08f-42fb-91bb-10d70bad56d0_" Subject: LF: E thingies X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=CELL_PHONE_BOOST, FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_17ba67a4-c08f-42fb-91bb-10d70bad56d0_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable James/Dex et al - Good morning - I concur with the findings on the eprobe= on the roof of the car. My mobile efforts tend to be was mounted on a tri= magnet mag mount and a short stub mast of about 12 inches to which the pro= be is attached. The coax (about 12ft total length) routed directly into= the car across the roof, but bonded to the rear passenger door frame wher= e it enters. This bond must be short and low reactance to stop the in car= noises getting up the coax to/close to the antennae. Makes big odds as yo= u go HF. =20 Got to say even with this very small effective height it worked well enoug= h on 137/500, but very dependant on the type of car, the bonding and curre= nts flowing out/in/capacitance to real ground.... =20 =20 I have a feeling Ill be resurrecting the system in Oklahoma to pass the ev= enings away... =20 For the house PA0RDT - I shove a Hi Z at LF common mode choke on the coax= outer (30T on J material or maybe it maybe a bit more lossy stuff ) just= one meter back from the eprobe, same at the other end of the coax just be= fore its bonded down to the door frame/balcony/rebar reinforcing. At the= receive end its galvanically decoupled with a 4T:4T type 77 small toroid= - good and flat till 15Mhz=20 =20 Now, how long it the antennae? Bonding still reduces the noise so there= must be small leakage from the coax past the upper choke - probably capac= itive coupling...it doesnt take much.=20 =20 Again good noise free bonding (if your lucky and get the right spot) can= and has given up to 50dB of noise reduction without it. Sometime less of= course. The BY3A apartment balcony was bonded back to the building rebar= and gave around 40dB improvement signal/noise on 137, but only had a very= small, maybe a dB increase in signal level. =20 Ive come to a conclusion to mount the probe away from the source of noises= and "dumping" of the E field. In my case I get the probe as high and away= so tend to have a 11m pole at around 45 degrees away from the building ov= er the side - in some cases I prefer to do that (s/n wise) than mounting= it 11m in the middle of an apartment roof. Ill always try to locate it= on a corner and away from the building with as much clearance to the "re= al" ground for the greatest clear space angle. I cant help walking around= towns now and view the skyline and each building and visualise how the LF= E field signal is disrupted close in by these new high rises that now dom= inate some skylines. =20 Laurence KL 1 X Enroute home. =20 > Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:49:52 -0500 > From: dmcintyre@att.net > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX sign= als >=20 > James Moritz wrote: >=20 > > I think the role of the ground with active whips is often neglected -= =20 > > the output of the whip preamp is the voltage differential between the= =20 > > whip element and the circuit ground, so the ground connection is just= as=20 > > much part of the antenna as the whip element itself is. Clearly, an=20 > > electrically quiet ground is needed for the active whip, whether this= is=20 > > provided by the coax feeder or a separate local ground connection. >=20 > Years ago I built a simple MPF-102 active whip into a gutted VHF coil en= closure=20 > of a NMO mobile antenna. I quickly noticed the antenna performed much be= tter=20 > when mounted on a vehicle roof than when mounted on a mast. Even when th= e whip=20 > was elevated up to 10 meters above the vehicle the roof mount received= much better. >=20 > As for the optical link, I attempted to link a remote VLF-3 by IR back= to the=20 > shack. I never got that to work very well but I feel sure someone that= knows=20 > what they are doing could perfect it. >=20 > Dex >=20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/=3D --_17ba67a4-c08f-42fb-91bb-10d70bad56d0_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable James/Dex et al - Good morning  - I concur with the findings on= the eprobe on the roof of the car. My mobile efforts tend to be= was mounted on a trimagnet mag mount and a short stub mast of about= 12 inches to which the probe is attached. The coax  (about= 12ft total length)  routed directly into the car across the roo= f, but bonded to the rear passenger door frame where it enters. This= bond must be short and low reactance to stop the in car noises getting up= the coax to/close to the antennae. Makes big odds as you go HF.
 
Got to say even with this very small effective height it worked well= enough on 137/500, but very dependant on the type of car, the bonding and= currents flowing out/in/capacitance to real ground....    =
 
I have a feeling Ill be resurrecting the system in Oklahoma to pass the ev= enings away...
 
For the house  PA0RDT - I shove a Hi Z at LF common mode choke on the= coax outer  (30T on J material or maybe it maybe a bi= t more lossy stuff ) just one meter back from the eprobe, same= at the other end of the coax just before its bonded down to the door fram= e/balcony/rebar reinforcing. At the receive end its galvanically deco= upled with a 4T:4T type 77 small toroid - good and flat till 15M= hz
 
Now, how long it the antennae?  Bonding still reduces the n= oise so there must be small leakage from the coax past the upper chok= e - probably capacitive coupling...it doesnt take much. 
 
Again good noise free bonding (if your lucky and get the right spot) can= and has given up to 50dB of noise reduction without it. Sometime less of= course.  The BY3A apartment balcony was bonded back to the building= rebar and gave around 40dB improvement signal/noise on 137, but only had= a very small, maybe a dB increase in signal level.
 
Ive come to a conclusion to mount the probe away from the source of noises= and "dumping" of the E field. In my case I get the probe as high and away= so tend to have a 11m pole at around 45 degrees away from the building ov= er the side - in some cases I prefer to do that (s/n wise) than mounting= it 11m in the middle of an apartment  roof.   Ill always&n= bsp;try to locate it on a corner and away from the  building&nbs= p;with as much clearance to the "real" ground for the greatest clear space= angle. I cant help walking around towns now and view the skyline and each= building and visualise how the LF E field signal is disrupted close= in by these new high rises that now dominate some skylines.
 
Laurence KL 1 X
Enroute home.

 
> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:49:52 -0500
> From: dmc= intyre@att.net
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject:= Re: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals
>= ;
> James Moritz wrote:
>
> > I think the role of= the ground with active whips is often neglected -
> > the outpu= t of the whip preamp is the voltage differential between the
> >= whip element and the circuit ground, so the ground connection is just as=
> > much part of the antenna as the whip element itself is. Cle= arly, an
> > electrically quiet ground is needed for the active= whip, whether this is
> > provided by the coax feeder or a sepa= rate local ground connection.
>
> Years ago I built a simple= MPF-102 active whip into a gutted VHF coil enclosure
> of a NMO mo= bile antenna. I quickly noticed the antenna performed much better
>= when mounted on a vehicle roof than when mounted on a mast. Even when the= whip
> was elevated up to 10 meters above the vehicle the roof mou= nt received much better.
>
> As for the optical link, I attem= pted to link a remote VLF-3 by IR back to the
> shack. I never got= that to work very well but I feel sure someone that knows
> what= they are doing could perfect it.
>
> Dex
>
=
Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email servic= e. Get it now. =3D --_17ba67a4-c08f-42fb-91bb-10d70bad56d0_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de02.mx.aol.com (rly-de02.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.138]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE012-4b84b1835f3360; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:04:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE023-4b84b1835f3360; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:04:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGJlc-0004RK-Mv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:03:16 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGJlb-0004RB-Mq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:03:15 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGJlZ-0000PH-KE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:03:15 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A1782AD4FD for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 22:03:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps04.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.133] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.58V) with ESMTP id XID768NLcwDH3456X01; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:03:07 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.133 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps04.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID768NLcwDH3456X01 Received: from [192.168.1.4] [151.47.214.95] by cmsapps04.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 099NLcwDD3072M40; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:03:04 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.214.95 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.4] Message-ID: <4B183595.5060800@usa.net> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:03:01 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B16987B.9000002@usa.net> <4B179DE6.3050608@usa.net> <20091203194531.or926chzk844g4k8@webmail6.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20091203194531.or926chzk844g4k8@webmail6.kuleuven.be> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID099NLcwDe3072X40 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Rik Strobbe wrote: > Roelof, > > I cannot agree, a Belgian beer can will provide at least 10dB better SNR ;-) I tend to agree with Rik, the best beers I ever drank were those in La Grande Place in Bruxelles, many years ago, when I was there for QRL. I remember a three-story building facing directly the Place, where you could taste all kind of Trappiste beers... I spent there many evenings... though I did not think to perform a measurement in dBs of the SNR with respect to beers coming from the Amstel river :-) 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (rly-dg03.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.87]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG054-5b74b26ceae2af; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:48:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG038-5b74b26ceae2af; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:47:59 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKKbV-0001ii-H1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:45:25 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKKbU-0001iZ-Pc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:45:24 +0000 Received: from smtp6.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.190]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKKcp-0006am-1f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:46:49 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3628.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2072A7000096 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:46:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3628.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1342A7000097 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:46:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.40.94]) by mwinf3628.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 7A7B87000096 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:46:31 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20091214234631501.7A7B87000096@mwinf3628.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <131FF80960B649FF8AB6BA79FC821050@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <000e01ca7cf8$b02ccc60$6402a8c0@e7010> <4B26C14B.6000602@toya.net.pl> In-Reply-To: <4B26C14B.6000602@toya.net.pl> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:46:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG QRSS3// SQ7MPJ Grabber Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01CA7D17.A8E39F50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01CA7D17.A8E39F50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Piotr Is this location to be permanent ... if so I can add to :- =20 http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/500-khz-grabbers Tnx- G .. From: Piotr M=C5=82ynarski=20 Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 10:50 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG QRSS3// SQ7MPJ Grabber Walter und Marianne Staubach wrote:=20 Dear MF, DI2AG beacon is on air in QRSS3 505.090KHz, but only 0.4W= ERP as usual, as QRO affects my telefone. Sri. 73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF Dear Walter, Lubos, LF Group Recently i managed to launch a simple grabber. It does require so= me improvements, which i hope, will be done in a forthcoming future. At this moment= it covers 505 kHz area so DI2AG and OK0EMW should be visible . I will keep it running til= l 2330-2400 UTC this evening=20 it is placed at: http://www.toya.net.pl/~mlynarski/=20 Please, note that the time displayed on "Argo" screen is a local one= so one hour must be substracted to get UTC. I will try to switch it on at nearest weekend or upon request = Yours, Piotr , sq7mpj qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ = =20 = =20 ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01CA7D17.A8E39F50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Piotr
 
Is this  location to  be&nb= sp;=20 permanent  ... if so  I can add  to  :-  
 
 
Tnx- G ..
 

Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG QRSS3// SQ7MPJ Grabber
<= /DIV>

Walter und Marianne Staubach wrote:=20
Dear MF,
      = ;  =20 DI2AG beacon is on air in QRSS3 505.090KHz, but only 0.4W ERP as usu= al, as QRO=20 affects my telefone. Sri.
73   Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF=
 
Dear Walter, Lubos, LF Group
Recent= ly =20 i  managed to launch  a simple  grabber.  It does= require=20 some improvements,
  which i hope, will be done in a forthcomi= ng future.=20 At this moment  it covers 505 kHz area
 so DI2AG and = ; OK0EMW=20 should be visible . I will keep  it  running till 2330-2400= UTC this=20 evening
it  is placed at:   http://www.toy= a.net.pl/~mlynarski/=20
Please, note that the time displayed   on "Argo" screen= is a local=20 one so  one hour must be substracted  to get  UTC.
I= will try=20 to switch it on   at nearest weekend  or upon=20 request

         &= nbsp;           = ;           &nb= sp;           &= nbsp;           = ;           &nb= sp;           &= nbsp;=20 Yours, Piotr , sq7mpj

qth: Lodz=20 /jo91rs/
         &nbs= p;           &n= bsp;           =            &nbs= p;           &n= bsp;           =            &nbs= p;         =20
           =            &nbs= p;           &n= bsp;           =            &nbs= p;           &n= bsp;=20


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LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29866 KHz ( QRSS-60 ) Coordinates: N: 35* 43' 54" - W: 84* 3' 16" http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr http://webpages.charter.net/ku4xr/ --- On Wed, 12/16/09, Thomas F. Giella NZ4O wrote: > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o4.htm > > Sunspot group #11035 near N30W13 has grown into the largest > (seven times larger than the Earth) and most magnetically complex > (beta-gamma) sunspot group of solar cycle 24. At 0102 UTC the sunspot > group released a small C5.3 solar flare, the largest solar flare of > Solar cycle 24. More small C class solar flares are possible, with a > chance for an isolated medium size M class solar flare. > > #11035 also produced the first partially geoeffective (Earth facing) > coronal mass ejection (CME) of solar cycle 24. The CME will arrive > at Earth in a approximately two days and could spark a geomagnetic > storm and visible aurora. Another geoeffective CME is possible, with an > associated sudden ionosphere disturbance (SID) and shortwave fadeout > > The sunspot count is 38 which is the highest of solar cycle 24. The > solar flux index is 82 which is tied for the highest SFI of solar > Cycle 24. With the increased sunspot count we should see improved > propagation conditions on 15 and 12 meters. > > 73, GUD DX, Merry X-mas & Happy New Year, > Thomas F. Giella, NZ4O > Lakeland, FL, USA > nz4o@arrl.net > eList Owner/Moderator > John 3:16 <>< > > COL LF/MF/HF/VHF/UHF Frequency Radiowave Propagation Email > Reflector: > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/spaceweather > NZ4O Daily Solar Space Weather & Geomagnetic Data > Archive: > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o1.htm > NZ4O Solar Space Weather & Geomagnetic Data In Graphic > & Image Format: > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o2.htm > NZ4O Daily LF/MF/HF/6M Frequency Radiowave Propagation > Forecast & Archive: > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o3.htm > NZ4O Solar Cycle 24 Forecast Discussion & Archive: > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o4.htm > NZ4O 160 Meter Radio Propagation Theory Notes: > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o5.htm > NZ4O Solar Space Weather & Geomagnetic Raw Forecast > Data Links: > http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o6.htm > Harmful Man Induced Climate Change (Global Warming) > Refuted: > http://www.wcflunatall.com/globalwarminglie.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > Spaceweather mailing list > Spaceweather@contesting.com > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/spaceweather > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da07.mx.aol.com (rly-da07.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.81]) by air-da10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA101-a7b4b1a412418e; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 06:16:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA073-a7b4b1a412418e; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 06:16:54 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGsc6-00060q-KM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 11:15:46 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGsc6-00060h-4d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 11:15:46 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.25]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGsc4-0004Dp-4i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 11:15:46 +0000 Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl (dovemail15.xs4all.nl [194.109.26.17]) by smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nB5BFcsN024968 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 12:15:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Received: from 82.161.81.65 (SquirrelMail authenticated user pa0rdt) by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 12:15:43 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4AABF465BDAF458EAD9C4A5C7071B220@TraceyPC> References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB4A@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <005601ca7534$6ea90400$030ff004@ctrask> <4AABF465BDAF458EAD9C4A5C7071B220@TraceyPC> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 12:15:43 +0100 From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.18 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Re: Active Antenna Preamp of Bernd/DF8ZR Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Tracey, Yesterday it did not work for me either; however today it does! 73, Roelof, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb12.mx.aol.com (rly-mb12.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.170]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB043-d414b38c3934c; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:41:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB125-d414b38c3934c; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:41:24 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPGlr-0005Me-KF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:40:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPGlq-0005MR-VJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:40:30 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPGlo-0006eZ-KE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:40:30 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBS4Zbmn025351 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 05:35:37 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:40:27 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:40:27 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AD09@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Thread-Index: AcqG736zyDCWq77xSZ+rbnrQuqAn5wA24U6g From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.648;28.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.28.142417 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Ken,=20 Yes, there is a strong interaction. In principle my active antenna does no= t differ to the PA0RDT Whip. But the dimension of the interaction depends on the kind of your TX antenn= a. I think a high vertical does more interact than I short vertical with= many toploads, as long as the RX ant is not placed under these toploads..= . 73, Stefan/DK7FC PS: See the pic of my last report to get an impression of the interaction.= .. -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von Ken Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Dezember 2009 13:21 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Hello Alan. A very interesting paper of yours, is it likely that there will be the sam= e=20 interaction between a T antenna and the PA0RDT Mini Whip? 73. Ken M0KHW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "ALAN MELIA" To: Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 11:51 AM Subject: Re: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Hi Stefan I hope it does not give you indigestion :-)) Good luck with it.....all LF sites are different so in general require=20 different detailed solutions. It seemed generally to be sufficient to=20 de-tune the unused antenna to reduce the interaction to low levels. Best Wishes for Dx in the New Year Alan G3NYK --- On Sun, 27/12/09, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrot= e: > From: Stefan Sch=E4fer > Subject: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sunday, 27 December, 2009, 10:55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > Alan, tnx, i have > printed your article and will read it now at breakfast > ;-) > > > > Perhaps > I will come back > with some questions... J > > > > 73, > Stefan/DK7FC > > -----Urspr=FCngliche > Nachricht----- > > Von: > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von ALAN > MELIA > > Gesendet: > Sonntag, 27. Dezember > 2009 01:32 > > An: > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Betreff: Re: > LF: Influence of a TX > antenna to a small rx antenna > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephan yes the aerialls will > be very close > compared with the wavelength so they will interact > particularly is tuned. We > did some measurements ar Finbar's location several > years ago > > http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/aecouple.htm > > > > The interaction was measured on an antenna RF > bridge, and demonstrates > the coupling between two wires. > > > > Best Wishes > > Alan G3NYK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me08.mx.aol.com (rly-me08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.42]) by air-me09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME094-9cd4b30ce5a9b; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 08:49:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME081-9cd4b30ce5a9b; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 08:49:15 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NN501-0006Cc-DF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 13:42:05 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NN500-0006CT-S9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 13:42:04 +0000 Received: from mail-vw0-f201.google.com ([209.85.212.201]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NN55e-0003aS-9J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 13:47:56 +0000 Received: by vws39 with SMTP id 39so5842601vws.30 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 05:47:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=NH1Gx2LjH5A64nGRfMSggtXlS+0195vHOtNu1fcTIPw=; b=O5dGYsciQL9nKaFHxRHd+KDYe6JFJNnCMPajljxwsBqpBF18bnvLS64a7qiGkxvgov JYKqE0eqacxIzpmJLta0QE4/hRLPQdbBRGjlTnEHw8GKjcCkrcIRg9QBqHv5wyjjzQ5I Rgw3AaUvTfMo3Kvgdl2cobcUGoGle7e3Y0Vqc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=IR5aGqLINGrg2BDB/3HuzztFLM0OLLBMr8suDXv4nZ+E5zH3mESCS/GKueQirFL8Pz E93zJWg54nayo3WbEEfFzUma4D+FjbrOUb9bXA2VL3ZyoOiX4Xxd/3Ws09l/3ZeXSoXD YBCaA51NF+JH3OVEUwR20mQosq7eCTpvIGxtU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.66.41 with SMTP id l41mr1532314vci.25.1261489667716; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 05:47:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 13:47:47 +0000 Message-ID: <8bf118410912220547m5e4d0e60o527fcb87c62010d9@mail.gmail.com> From: Dave Pick To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: QOA? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485e0e61e8838cc047b51737f X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d246.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001485e0e61e8838cc047b51737f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think we need to get some badges made with QOA on them! Merry Christmas all. Dave G3YXM 2009/12/22 Petr Mal=FD > Hi Lowfers, > > I looked for some Q-codes recently and one of them struck my eyes. > Do you know what QOA means? > It means "can you/I can work telegraphy on 500kHz". > > 73 and have a nice X-mass, Petr, OK1FIG > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4708 (20091222) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > --=20 G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK --001485e0e61e8838cc047b51737f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think we need to get some badges made with QOA on them!

Merry Chr= istmas all.

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73 and have a nice X-mass, Petr,=20 OK1FIG


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--001485e0e61e8838cc047b51737f-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (rly-mf07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.177]) by air-mf05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF052-9704b2e0ae31a3; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 06:31:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF076-9704b2e0ae31a3; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 06:30:44 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMJuN-0006yI-E9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:25:07 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMJuM-0006y9-Sm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:25:06 +0000 Received: from mx39.mail.ru ([94.100.176.53]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMJyo-00028Z-3u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:29:44 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=18144 helo=EFREMOV) by mx39.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NMJyi-00051z-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:29:36 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <005301ca8167$ac452e30$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <346854e9698cbf94f4483c66682bb63b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <4B2CDA00.6080504@att.net> <200912201058160899.2B6A2E1A@smtp2.numeo.fr> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:28:19 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: "harmonics" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0045_01CA8180.AD25C0D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01CA8180.AD25C0D0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello LF, At strong levels of a signal such "harmonics" are formed here. 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AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.4] Message-ID: <4B224C9D.6020606@usa.net> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:43:57 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <20091210100700.32DEC31E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20091210100700.32DEC31E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID761NLkNSa9040X39 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AW: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Rik Strobbe wrote: > The "black box operators" must be protected > against this danger, otherwise they might go QRT due to "natural selection" :-) Well, should that happen, they will be candidates for the Darwin Award... if you don't know what it is, search with Google, you will find the stories of past, all well deserved, awards.... :-) 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.219]) by air-da07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA074-86674b3b7bdfc3; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:12:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1893A38008C5E; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:09:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by 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autolearn=disabled,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=1.639,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: OE5ODL - report Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020609090200010008030504" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_BODY,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/52684 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60db4b3b7b4a620c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --------------020609090200010008030504 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit tu dave! testing new coil tx in 10A 30 V with one irfp 260 73 happy new year ossi oe5odl Dave G3WCB schrieb: > Ossi, LF, > > Screen shots of OE5ODL testing on 137,710 at 1347 UTC this afternoon. "O" > copy at 1069 km. > > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E. England > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------020609090200010008030504 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------020302050304060109080203" --------------020302050304060109080203 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable tu dave!
testing new coil=A0
tx in 10A 30 V with one irfp 260
73 happy new year
ossi oe5odl


Dave G3WCB schrieb: 
Ossi, LF,

Screen shots of OE5ODL testing on 137,710 at 1347 UTC this afternoon. "O"
copy at 1069 km.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E. England




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Thanks fer info again, now its reality the sunrise in china bringing up my signal on BY3A on 137,775.2 73 ossi oe5odl From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (rly-mb01.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.154]) by air-mb03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB034-cea4b168f9030; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:02:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB016-cea4b168f9030; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:02:26 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFrdr-0004lV-Vn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:01:23 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFrdr-0004lM-40 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:01:23 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFrdp-0005ow-2F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:01:23 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nB2G1Iqe006018 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:01:19 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:01:19 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:01:19 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Thread-Index: AcpylfL6ykJKYUwPSv68FbViQSZ8HgAmscnwAA033wA= From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.601;02.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.2.155420 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA7368.AE5DFDFD" Subject: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7368.AE5DFDFD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mike, Bernd, LF,=20 Thank you very much for your transmission yesterday in the evening! I coul= d do very useful tests and improve my little rx-antenna significantly. I'm not sure if anyone who uses a short E-field active antenna as a rx ant= enna knows about the dependence of wire length and the height above ground= so I want to give a report of the results of my tests yesterday in the da= rk. Perhaps some others could improve their antenna by these explanations.= .. (First I tried to sent the pictures into the mail but the mail size became= more than 100kB and so the mail wasn't reflected, as it seems. So I do mo= dify the mail cancelling the Pictures. I put them on my page at qrz.com an= d those who are interested in the results of my improvements can find them= there (at the lower end of the site)...) For the first test I tried the active antenna with a wire of 1,4m. The low= er end of the wire was abt 2m above gnd (observed signal of G3XDV)(Argo wi= thout AGC and RX with fast AGC). There was almost nothing to see. Then, I= reduced the wire length to 80cm while the hight above gnd keeping constan= t. Results were much better as can be seen.=20 Next: 40cm wire length: even much better!=20 Next: 30cm: signal gets lower but qrm also. SNR slightly better.=20 Next: 25cm is the best, as I think.=20 Next: 20cm Signal becomes worse. So, the optimum seems to be at around 25.= ..30cm!=20 Next: 20cm in a height of 4m: Signal comes up but noise also. No significa= nt increase of SNR The signals of Ossi/OE5ODL were audible in all the tests and vy gd to cpi.= But the signal was too strong to see any differences between the S/N rati= os (a Picture is also available). =20 My Conclusion: It seems that a short receiving antenna can bee seen as a= capacitive divider out of the capacity between far field and antenna and= the capacity between antenna and ground. If the wire length is to much,= the input stage becomes nonlinear/goes into saturation. If the height abo= ve ground is increased the signal comes up, but not the signal/noise ratio= (surely there will be a benefit if such an antenna is placed in a region= with heavy local qrm. Then, the height should be increased and the wire= length can be decreased). So, one cannot say "the more the better" talkin= g about the wire length! It's exciting, we can receive our "QRP"-Signals (compared to HF) over a di= stance of 100s or 1000s of km with a wire that is 1/10000 Lambda! In compa= rison, in the 80m band that would be an antenna of 8mm (!) ;-) With this improvement I get new hope for receiving anything out of the cit= y, where my home QTH is... I hope this report isn't nerving because of the long text (and pictures)= and size. I try to stay always below 100kB. Perhaps some RXs can be impro= ved or Lowfers gets motivated to try such an antenna... 73, Stefan/DK7FC PS: Mike, what's your locator? I want to check the distance and take a vie= w to your QTH (on http://f6fvy.free.fr/qthLocator/fullScreen.php everyone= can type the searched QTH-Locator and watch the QTH of the received stn).= So one can see the distance and the wave travelling path and if the stn= in directly at the beach or in the mountains and so on. Vy fine! PPS: I forward this message to Bernd, the constructor of the preamp. I thi= nk he doesn't know that the antenna gets even better when reducing the wir= e length! (tnx Bernd!)=20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7368.AE5DFDFD Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Mike, Bernd, LF,

Thank you very much for your transmission yesterday in the evening! I could do very useful tests and improve my little rx-antenna significantly.=

I'm not sure if anyone who uses a short E-field active antenna as a rx antenna kno= ws about the dependence of wire length and the height above ground so I want= to give a report of the results of my tests yesterday in the dark. Perhaps so= me others could improve their antenna by these explanations…

(First I= tried to sent the pictures into the mail but the mail size became more than 100kB and so the mail wasn’t reflected, as it seems. So I do modify the mail cancelling the Pictures.= I put them on my page at qrz.com and those who are interested in the results of= my improvements can find them there (at the lower end of the site)…)

For the first test I tried the active antenna with a wire of 1,4m. The lower end= of the wire was abt 2m above gnd (observed signal of G3XDV)(Argo without AGC and= RX with fast AGC). There was almost nothing to see. Then, I reduced the wire length to 80cm while the hight above gnd keeping constant. Results were mu= ch better as can be seen.

Next: 40cm wire length: even much better!

Next: 30cm: signal gets lower but qrm also. SNR slightly better.

Next: 25cm is the best, as I think.

Next: 20cm Signal becomes worse. So, the optimum seems to be at around 25…30cm!

Next: 20cm in a height of 4m: Signal comes up but noise also. No significant increase= of SNR

The signals of Ossi/OE5ODL were audible in all the tests and vy gd to cpi. But the sig= nal was too strong to see any differences between the S/N ratios (a Picture is= also available).

 

My Conclusion: It seems that a short receiving antenna can bee seen as a capacitive divider out of the capacity between far field and antenna and= the capacity between antenna and ground. If the wire length is to much, the in= put stage becomes nonlinear/goes into saturation. If the height above ground= is increased the signal comes up, but not the signal/noise ratio(surely there will be a be= nefit if such an antenna is placed in a region with heavy local qrm. Then, the height sh= ould be increased and the wire length can be decreased). So, one cannot say “the more the betterR= 21; talking about the wire length!

It’s exciting, we can receive our “QRP”-Signals (compared to HF) ov= er a distance of 100s or 1000s of km with a wire that is 1/10000 Lambda! In comparison, in the 80m band= that would be an antenna of 8mm (!) ;-)

With this improvement I get new hope for receiving anything out of the city, where= my home QTH is…

I hope this report isn’t nerving because of the long text (and pictures) and size. I try to stay always be= low 100kB. Perhaps some RXs can be improved or Lowfers gets motivated to try such an antenna…

73, Stefan/DK7FC

PS: Mike, what's your locator? I want to check the distance and take a view to your= QTH (on http://f6fvy.free.fr/qthLocator/fullSc= reen.php everyone can type the searched QTH-Locator and watch the QTH of the receiv= ed stn). So one can see the distance and the wave travelling path and if the= stn in directly at the beach or in the mountains and so on. Vy fine!

PPS: I forward this message to Bernd, the constructor of the preamp. I think he doesn’t know that the antenna gets even better when reducing the wir= e length! (tnx Bernd!)

 

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7368.AE5DFDFD-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (rly-dd09.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.156]) by air-dd10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD102-b994b34d3903cb; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:00:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD093-b994b34d3903cb; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:00:34 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOBdZ-0002jW-Up for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:59:29 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOBdZ-0002jN-D2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:59:29 +0000 Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.143]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOBdY-0007vf-IT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:59:29 +0000 Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nBPExFCL004770 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:59:15 -0500 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.cf3.697d44af (44227) for ; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:59:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.68] ([92.18.91.54]) by cia-dd08.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD085-acc34b34d3371a0; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:59:10 -0500 From: g4gvw To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <6949F910A2A945058B164FC3443B420B@JimPC> References: <6949F910A2A945058B164FC3443B420B@JimPC> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:59:01 +0000 Message-Id: <1261753141.5486.3.camel@pat-compaq-evo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.1 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: G4gvw@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Happy Christmas Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 YES! Cheers Jim. And I wish you, all of you, every good thing you wish yourselves. Peace everywhere would be a nice bonus too! (And please may I win the lottery!) Lots of luck guys and guyesses for 2010 also. On Fri, 2009-12-25 at 10:39 +0000, James Moritz wrote: > Dear LF Group, > > A very happy Christmas to all on the LF reflector! > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > -- 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw qth nr felixstowe uk (east coast, county of suffolk) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.78]) by air-de08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE083-5ec04b37502e1a5; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 07:16:46 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1E533380000A8; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 07:16:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOs2G-0002BS-5v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:15:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOs2F-0002BJ-9F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:15:47 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOs2C-0000Ip-88 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:15:47 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3502.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9963B7000041 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 13:15:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3502.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 893DF7000046 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 13:15:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.66.170]) by mwinf3502.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 91E987000041 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 13:15:35 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20091227121535597.91E987000041@mwinf3502.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <5BA37E0D20C445E8B9DF2E3479E216D2@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <20091226.144128.11516.4.cw4ever4@juno.com> <007601ca86d3$2b3670d0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> <00a101ca86d7$5998fed0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> In-Reply-To: <00a101ca86d7$5998fed0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:15:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beacon & WSPR 2.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01CA86EE.4ACC93A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604e4b37502d54e2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01CA86EE.4ACC93A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul ... no problem ...=20 Google-=DCbersetzung heilt alle 73 - G ,,=20 From: Clemens Paul=20 Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 9:31 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beacon & WSPR 2.0 LF, Sorry,my last email (see also below) was not intended to be sent to th= e list, but to DF6MK. I would not post in German language on an anglophone reflector althoug= h I've noticed great tolerance on this list in this respect.=20 Anyway,I've also noted the <...> decodes a few times while spotting WD2XSH/17 and was a bit surprised,too, but then correct decodes took place. It seems that WSPR2.0 still cannot write callsigns like WD2XSH/17 into= the blue window in the upper right corner of the WSPR window.=20 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Clemens Paul=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 10:01 AM Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beacon & WSPR 2.0 Hallo Werner, genau die zitierte Passage aus dem untenstehen Txt traf bei mir=20 ein paar Mal auch zu. >It takes two, 2 minute transmissions to send >the full call, grid, and power. You may see decodes that look lik= e > <...> followed by the grid and/or power. WSPR has not decoded th= e call >yet but only the second part of the complete message. With a margin= al >signal and fades, this may be all you will get. I don't know how= long it >stores the second half (or the first half) of the message to splice= it 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Robert H Reif=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 8:41 PM Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beacon & WSPR 2.0 Hello, Graham, Rik, and All, Joe K1JT was kind enough to modify the WSPR program to acco= mmodate our long calls with the /. It takes two, 2 minute transmissions= to send the full call, grid, and power. You may see decodes that look li= ke <...> followed by the grid and/or power. WSPR has not decoded the= call yet but only the second part of the complete message. With a margi= nal signal and fades, this may be all you will get. I don't know how= long it stores the second half (or the first half) of the message to splic= e it together. Joe also added the CW ID feature to version 2.0 which= is required by our experimental license. He has been very supportive= of our 600 meter efforts. =20 The set up here is 100 watts to a wire, 35 ft inverted L wit= h two top loading wires each about 100 ft long. I am really surprised= (and pleased) to get across with this setup. I am inland from the coas= t and the path to Eu is over land till the path goes over salt water off= the coast of New Brunswick, Canada. Want to raise the antenna a bit= more and increase the top loading but that may not happen till spring now.= =20 73 and Happy New Year. Bob WD2XSH/37 FN42fo=20 On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:34:15 +0100 Rik Strobbe writes: > Graham, Rick, Bob, >=20 > I guess that when the CW id of a WSPR station is audible there= =20 > should =20 > be solid copy in WSPR. > But, as mentioned by Bob, WSPR 2.0 was used to transmit the unus= ual =20 >=20 > WD2XSH/37 callsign. I noticed that older version of WSPR do not= copy=20 > =20 > this properly, even when the signal is strong. > I have been running WSPR2 and WSPR1.1 simultaniously for some da= ys =20 >=20 > (the first spotting as ON7YD the other as OR7T) and noticed that= =20 > WD2XSH/37 produced all kinds of odd messages with WSPR1.1. WSPR2= =20 > decodes OK. >=20 > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >=20 > Quoting Graham : >=20 > > Rick, > > > > Looks like wd2x .. was the station .. you can check what= =20 > stations are > > operating at : http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/spots > > > > 2009-12-24 03:38 WD2XSH/37 0.503912 -26 0 FN42fo = 2 =20 > ON7YD > > JO20ix 5615 52 > > > > G.. > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Rick Wakatori" <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> > > Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 10:39 AM > > To: > > Subject: LF: "WA" beacon received at 503kHz. > > > >> > >> Using WSPR, I heard "WA" beacon in CW or QRSS at around 503kH= z. > >> The signal was visible on the screen during last night. > >> Please let me know the callsign and the QTH? > >> Rick > >> -- > >> -.. . --... .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-. > >> 7L1RLL under ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP) > >> URL=3Dhttp://www1.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html > >> -..--- -.- .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-... ...-. > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=3Dyi9iW2lTPi_FlJuAPb= ZNdQAAJ1D5rfaR-77IPsUFbn2LcZ2XAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA= AAAEUgAAAAA=3D=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. 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73 - G ,,

Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beacon & WSPR 2.0

LF,
 
Sorry,my last email (see also be= low) was not=20 intended to be sent to the list, but to
DF6MK.
I would not post in German langu= age on an=20 anglophone reflector although
I've noticed great tolerance on this= list in this=20 respect. 
 
Anyway,I've also noted the  <...> decodes a few times= =20 while
spotting WD2XSH/17 and was a bit surprised,too,
but then correct decodes took place.
It seems that WSPR2.0 still cannot write callsigns like WD2XSH/17=  into=20 the
blue window in the upper right corner of the WSPR window.&nb= sp;
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 20= 09 10:01=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beacon= & WSPR=20 2.0

Hallo Werner,
 
genau die zitierte Passage aus dem= untenstehen=20 Txt traf bei mir
ein paar  Mal auch zu.<= /DIV>
 
 >It takes two, 2 minute transmissions to send
>t= he full=20 call, grid, and power.  You may see decodes  that look=20 like
>  <...> followed by the grid and/or power.&nb= sp; WSPR=20 has not decoded the call
>yet but only the second part of the= complete=20 message. With a marginal
>signal and fades, this may be all yo= u will=20 get.  I don't know how long it
>stores the second half (o= r the=20 first half) of the message to splice it
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rob= ert H Reif=20
Sent: Saturday, December 26= , 2009 8:41=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beaco= n & WSPR=20 2.0

Hello, Graham, Rik, and=20 All,
       Joe K1JT was kind eno= ugh to=20 modify the WSPR program to accommodate
our long calls with the= /. =20 It takes two, 2 minute transmissions to send
the full call, gri= d, and=20 power.  You may see decodes  that look like
<...&g= t;=20 followed by the grid and/or power.  WSPR has not decoded the= =20 call
yet but only the second part of the complete message. With= a=20 marginal
signal and fades, this may be all you will get. = I don't=20 know how long it
stores the second half (or the first half) of= the=20 message to splice it
together.  Joe also added the = CW ID=20 feature to version 2.0 which is
required by our experimental=20 license.  He has been very supportive of our
600 meter=20 efforts. 
     The set up here is 100= watts to=20 a  wire, 35 ft inverted L with two
top loading wires each= about 100=20 ft  long.  I am really surprised (and
pleased) to get= across=20 with this setup.  I am inland from the coast and
the path= to Eu is=20 over land till the path goes over salt water off the
coast of= New=20 Brunswick, Canada.  Want to raise the antenna a bit more=20 and
increase the top loading but that may not happen till sprin= g=20 now. 
     73 and Happy New Year.&nbs= p;=20 Bob  WD2XSH/37  FN42fo



On Sat, 26 Dec 20= 09=20 18:34:15 +0100 Rik Strobbe
<Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>=20 writes:
> Graham, Rick, Bob,
>
> I guess that= when the CW=20 id of a WSPR station is audible there
> should 
&g= t; be=20 solid copy in WSPR.
> But, as mentioned by Bob, WSPR 2.0 was= used to=20 transmit the unusual 
>
> WD2XSH/37 callsign.= I noticed=20 that older version of WSPR do not copy
> 
> thi= s=20 properly, even when the signal is strong.
> I have been runn= ing WSPR2=20 and WSPR1.1 simultaniously for some days 
>
>= (the first=20 spotting as ON7YD the other as OR7T) and noticed that 
&g= t;=20 WD2XSH/37 produced all kinds of odd messages with WSPR1.1. WSPR2&n= bsp;=20
> decodes OK.
>
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T>=20
> Quoting Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>:
>=20
> > Rick,
> >
> > Looks like  wd2= x=20 ..   was the  station .. you  can  check= what=20
> stations are
> > operating at :  http://wsprnet.org/d= rupal/wsprnet/spots
>=20 >
> > 2009-12-24 03:38   WD2XSH/37 &nbs= p;=20 0.503912   -26   0   FN42fo &nb= sp;=20 2  
> ON7YD
> > JO20ix  =20 5615   52
> >
> > G..
> >
= > >=20 --------------------------------------------------
> > Fr= om: "Rick=20 Wakatori" <7= l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp>
>=20 > Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 10:39 AM
> > To:= <rsgb_lf_gro= up@blacksheep.org>
>=20 > Subject: LF: "WA" beacon received at 503kHz.
> >
= >=20 >>
> >> Using WSPR, I heard "WA" beacon in CW or= QRSS at=20 around 503kHz.
> >> The signal was visible on the scre= en during=20 last night.
> >> Please let me know the callsign and= the=20 QTH?
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------=_NextPart_000_0014_01CA86EE.4ACC93A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de09.mx.aol.com (rly-de09.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.145]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE012-4fc4b23d1dc195; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:24:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE091-4fc4b23d1dc195; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:24:45 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJVgw-0001oC-76 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:23:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJVgv-0001o3-RA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:23:37 +0000 Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.41]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJVgx-0001G0-ML for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:23:42 +0000 Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nBCHNUOO032102 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:23:30 -0500 Received: from F4DTL@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.d35.5e2dfae2 (48600) for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:23:27 -0500 (EST) From: F4DTL@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:28:41 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5029 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: F4DTL@aol.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: Japanese time&frequency station Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1260638920" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 -------------------------------1260638920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Yes,in November 2008 JJY station with my Loop Wellbrook LFL1010 and WG=20 SMP3 as a receiver with 200 Hz Bw. The signal was the audible about 15mn. =20 =20 F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP _http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/_ (http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/)=20 =20 =20 Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 12/12/2009 16:15:25 Paris, Madrid, dibene@usa.net= a =20 =E9crit : Is there anybody in Europe that was able to receive the Japanese=20 time&frequency standard station at 40 kHz ? If yes, could you please give details about the equipments, especially th= e=20 antenna, used ? I am trying since some time, night and day, but no luck so far.... 73 Alberto I2PHD -------------------------------1260638920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= FONT id=3Drole_document color=3D#000000 size=3D2 face=3DArial>
Yes,in November 2008 JJY station with my Loop= =20 Wellbrook LFL1010 and WG SMP3 as a receiver with 200 Hz Bw.
The signal was the audible about 15mn.
 
 
 
 
Dans un e-mail dat=E9 du 12/12/2009 16:15:25 Paris, Madrid, dibene@us= a.net a=20 =E9crit :
I= s there=20 anybody in Europe that was able to receive the Japanese time&frequen= cy=20 standard station at 40 kHz ?
If yes, could you please give details ab= out=20 the equipments, especially the antenna, used ?

I am trying since= some=20 time, night and day, but no luck so far....

73  Alberto = ;=20 I2PHD

 
 -------------------------------1260638920-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc11.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.83]) by air-mg05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG052-8c2e4b38e8e9129; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:20:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2DE4C38000305; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:20:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPJFx-0006Ev-Rd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:19:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPJFx-0006Em-AE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:19:45 +0000 Received: from smtp6.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.190]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPJFu-0007YP-PE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:19:45 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3604.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2CA8770000A4 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:19:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3604.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1DA5070000A5 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:19:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.94.105]) by mwinf3604.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 8B64970000A4 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:19:34 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20091228171934571.8B64970000A4@mwinf3604.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <80578.2091.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <5263798E332240C3BC686B3164057D2F@p4> In-Reply-To: <5263798E332240C3BC686B3164057D2F@p4> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:19:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: WD2XSH/17 decoded in GM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01CA87E1.EB03DA10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60534b38e8e95428 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01CA87E1.EB03DA10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark, I think the rx noise level is a possible glitch . i have noted oth= er comments about it ,=20 I have had the same problem , with the correct level showing after= a rx/tx cycle ..=20 G.. G0NBD From: Mark=20 Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 9:03 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: WD2XSH/17 decoded in GM Hi All,=20 3 instances of decodes of WD2XSH on 503.890KHz last night between 01:0= 0 and 03:00z all with bad message tagged, and no /17 appended These of course did not upload, sigs were 2 off -28 dB and 1 off -27dB Several other corrupted calls reported on the same frequency. I was using WSPR1.01, now upgraded to WSPR2 r1714. The change log doe= s not suggest that 1.01 does not handle the suffixes correctly, but I= am hoping that the upgrade will improve things Interestingly the RX noise level indicator says -30dB all the time,= irrespective of the audio level settings, though it displays and deco= des well enough. Soundcard setup is non-standard here, RX is softrock, processed by Spe= clab (which also provides the grabber see www.dc2light.co.uk for a li= nk) Audio Output from Speclab is filtered, frequency shifted and then= passed to the WSPR software. Pleased to copy the WD2XSH/17 on the tiny mag loop antenna, which is= aligned roughly E-W and therfore has a null towards the USA Hopefully future spots will reach the database. Hope all have a happy and prosperous 2010 Mark GM4ISM IO85AR ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01CA87E1.EB03DA10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mark,
 
I think the  rx noise level is= a=20 possible  glitch . i have  noted  other comments about= it  ,=20
I have  had the  same probl= em , with=20 the  correct level showing after a  rx/tx cycle ..
 
G..
 
G0NBD

Hi All,
3 instances of decodes of WD2XSH=20 on 503.890KHz last night between 01:00 and 03:00z all with bad= message=20 tagged, and no /17 appended
These of course did not upload, sigs= were 2 off -28=20 dB and 1 off -27dB
Several other corrupted calls reporte= d on the same=20 frequency.
 
I was using WSPR1.01, now upgraded to= WSPR2 =20 r1714. The change log does not suggest that 1.01 does not handle the= suffixes=20 correctly, but I am hoping that the upgrade will improve things=
 Interestingly the RX noise leve= l indicator=20 says -30dB all the time, irrespective of the audio level settings, tho= ugh it=20 displays and decodes well enough.
Soundcard setup is non-standard here,= RX is=20 softrock, processed by Speclab (which also provides the grabber = see www.dc2light.co.uk fo= r a link) Audio Output=20 from Speclab is filtered, frequency shifted and then passed to the WSP= R=20 software.
 
Pleased to copy the WD2XSH/17 on= the tiny mag=20 loop antenna, which is aligned roughly E-W and therfore has a null tow= ards the=20 USA
Hopefully future spots will reach the= =20 database.
Hope all have a happy and prosperous= =20 2010
Mark GM4ISM IO85AR


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Dear LF,

 

I have reconfigd my ant and vario for= 137 in advance of possibly running some tests of some new kit with G3XIZ later this week but am= currently running a vy QRPppp WSPR system as a pre-test=

 

Thanks in advance for any reports or Ar= go traces, though I don’t expect many if any

With best regards=

 

 

Jim G7NKS=

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------=_NextPart_000_0054_01CA8657.3DB3A2E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md06.mx.aol.com (rly-md06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.144]) by air-md04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD044-9104b1a203120d; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 03:56:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD068-9104b1a203120d; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 03:56:19 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGqQ3-00055m-KM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 08:55:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGqQ3-00055d-3B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 08:55:11 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate09.web.de ([217.72.192.184]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGqQ2-00022J-FR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 08:55:11 +0000 Received: from web.de by fmmailgate09.web.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 6FDF02B42A25 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:55:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from [217.125.84.109] by freemailng6504.web.de with HTTP; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 09:55:03 +0100 Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 09:55:03 +0100 Message-Id: <987137178@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: di2am@web.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-Provags-Id: V01U2FsdGVkX19jDilKXjLxoDIZLoLq2Z7pi++4PmIBhDsalXhXBddo9Hc0K zp9IC6VntIM8xn43oGUC6RGsSZPgBDMbCRDOzWsukbx9TS3axM= X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Activity on 500 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Good morning Alberto, many thanks for the nice screen shot. 73 gl Joerg, DL3NRV =20 > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: "Alberto di Bene" > Gesendet: 04.12.09 18:56:27 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: LF: Activity on 500 kHz Some activity recorded on the 500 kHz band this afternoon. >=20 > *DI2AG* : >=20 > *DI2AM in QRSS3* >=20 > *OK0EMW in QRSS3* at 505091 Hz (abt) in *JN88ks* >=20 > (some QSB...) >=20 > 73 Alberto I2PHD >=20 >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.74]) by air-di03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI033-eac04b38fd91235; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:48:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8B5FF380000F5; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:48:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPKdG-0006e8-QD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:47:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPKdG-0006dz-Fa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:47:54 +0000 Received: from mx01.infotech.at ([213.174.240.1]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPKdE-0007wZ-LC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:47:54 +0000 Received: from [213.174.228.217] (helo=[192.168.1.150]) by mx01.infotech.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPKdD-0008JR-LV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 19:47:51 +0100 Message-ID: <4B38FD5C.6090108@inext.at> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 19:47:56 +0100 From: Oberreiter Oswald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: Re: LF: OE5ODL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404a4b38fd9155da X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) hallo Dave! tu fer screen shot. happy new Year 73 ossi Dave G3WCB schrieb: > LF, Ossi, > > Screen shot of OE5ODL Calling CQ at 1408z today. > > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E. England > > > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (rly-dc09.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.38]) by air-dc03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC031-b424b19937619a; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:56:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC096-b424b19937619a; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:55:51 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGh3F-0003Mo-AM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:55:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGh3E-0003Mf-VN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:55:00 +0000 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGh3E-00084O-D8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:55:00 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAIsiGUtOlOfC/2dsb2JhbADXEIQzBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,344,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="153797629" Received: from unknown (HELO TraceyPC) ([78.148.231.194]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Dec 2009 22:54:41 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Tracey Gardner" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB4A@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B198F49.6020600@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <4B198F49.6020600@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:54:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Active Antenna Preamp of Bernd/DF8ZR Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I can't get to the linked page at http://www.mydarc.de/df8zr/lf-active-antenna.pdf because it re-directs to https://freemailng1305.web.de/jump.htm?goto=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mydarc.de%2Fdf8zr%2Flf-active-antenna.pdf which displays the text "Die aufrufende URL ist ungltig. Weiter zur WEB.DE Homepage" I've tried numerous times and that's all I get and I'm not the only one to be getting that response. Tracey > Worked here for me. > > Mike > WE0H > /16 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma01.mx.aol.com (rly-ma01.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.44]) by air-ma06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA064-88d4b206f3d3d3; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:47:21 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA017-88d4b206f3d3d3; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:47:11 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIZyX-0007fm-KU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 03:45:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIZyX-0007fd-9y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 03:45:57 +0000 Received: from defout.telus.net ([204.209.205.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIZyW-000811-1Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 03:45:57 +0000 Received: from edmwaa02.telusplanet.net ([75.157.163.71]) by priv-edmwes23.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091210034552.QVKY1986.priv-edmwes23.telusplanet.net@edmwaa02.telusplanet.net> for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 20:45:52 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.67] (d75-157-163-71.bchsia.telus.net [75.157.163.71]) by edmwaa02.telusplanet.net (BorderWare Security Platform) with ESMTP id 60273145A3AF802B for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 20:45:51 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <4B206EEF.8060700@telus.net> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 03:45:51 +0000 From: Scott Tilley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Unid signal on ~137778.8Hz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Anyone own the carrier on 137778.8ish? Started around 0030UTC and is still going now at 0345UTC. Drifting down slightly in frequency as it goes... TU ES 73, Scott VE7TIL CN89dk http://www3.telus.net/sthed/argo/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db02.mx.aol.com (rly-db02.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.77]) by air-db05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB054-aae4b2522c523; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 12:22:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB024-aae4b2522c523; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 12:22:15 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJs7Z-0006Ys-PL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:20:37 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJs7Z-0006Yj-DR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:20:37 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJs8B-0004Ev-1C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:21:17 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwEAMOxJEtZ8blN/2dsb2JhbACOCQbDXYQrBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,391,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="190590854" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.241.185.77]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2009 17:20:57 +0000 Message-ID: <001601ca7c18$9db0cef0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:20:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: LA3EQ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA7C18.9D6BAFA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA7C18.9D6BAFA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Going strong on CW at present on 502 kcs. Can anyone else hear him. Ho= w about the grabbers? G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA7C18.9D6BAFA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Going strong on CW at present on 502= kcs. Can=20 anyone else hear him. How about the grabbers?
G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CA7C18.9D6BAFA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me06.mx.aol.com (rly-me06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.40]) by air-me02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME023-9bf4b310cf32c5; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 13:16:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME063-9bf4b310cf32c5; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 13:16:21 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NN99n-000739-HF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:08:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NN99n-000730-5u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:08:27 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate04.web.de ([217.72.192.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NN9EW-0007M7-0J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:13:24 +0000 Received: from web.de by fmmailgate04.web.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 15CBB623E83D for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:14:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from [88.76.51.14] by freemailng2501.web.de with HTTP; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:14:07 +0100 Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:14:07 +0100 Message-Id: <1552584960@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?iso-8859-15?Q?Horst_St=F6cker?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-Provags-Id: V01U2FsdGVkX1/+Ky9bwzdcjjCAiFIJyIL/gttd33OHkxRbItIcN2QLqp3px YDtO1ucq7Act/kdgZvyOPFL9aKuMAAP8ZWwWCD6Ya4vfBjkI0aMiXpmXss2L g== X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: =?iso-8859-15?Q?An_DK1KQ:_500_kHz_f=FCr_den_Funkamateur_SDR?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hallo Uwe, die in Deinem Buch genannte eMail-Adresse scheint nicht mehr zu stimme, da= her nun auf diesem Wege: In welchem Heft war Dein Artikel ?? 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Jetzt freischalten unter http://movieflat.web.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (rly-dg04.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.88]) by air-dg08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG084-5bc4b1ea6253d4; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 14:17:02 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG043-5bc4b1ea6253d4; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 14:16:55 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NI5X5-0006ja-DG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:15:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NI5X5-0006jR-2Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:15:35 +0000 Received: from mx33.mail.ru ([94.100.176.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NI5X4-0006RR-8X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:15:35 +0000 Received: from [94.75.146.24] (port=51900 helo=[192.168.1.4]) by mx33.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NI5Wx-000P98-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:15:27 +0300 Message-ID: <4B1EA5C4.5080903@mail.ru> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:15:16 +0300 From: Dmitry User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.8.1.23) Gecko/20090825 SeaMonkey/1.1.18 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <02EC07D90C081201151C6@kabelmail.de> In-Reply-To: <02EC07D90C081201151C6@kabelmail.de> X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Y , AGC and ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Uwe .. and OE5ODL Dmitry Uwe Jannsen wrote: > > > Hi all, > > pse see > > http://dj8wx-dl.de/capt74a > > (receive aerial = TX aerial) > > regards > Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (rly-mf02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.172]) by air-mf01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF013-9474b2f9b3c125; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:58:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF025-9474b2f9b3c125; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:58:54 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMkYd-0002I5-EI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:52:27 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMkYd-0002Hw-0F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:52:27 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMkdl-0003xb-DF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:57:46 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA427B802A for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:57:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CFA2F3863 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:57:33 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 073A218056; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:57:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from 194.58-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (194.58-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.247.58.194]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:57:32 +0100 Message-ID: <20091221165732.37blf9vaoosgkw0k@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:57:32 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <001401ca8222$5ce76d10$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <9afca2640912210535v7922b3d4ned743d26dfd2a412@mail.gmail.com> <001701ca824a$904740e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <001701ca824a$904740e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.247.58.194 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF ACTY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) There is little challenge in copying the mentioned QRO stations, =20 copying QRP stations is the real challenge. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting mal hamilton : > Turn the wick up and someone might hear u. The DL, SM, LA and EIOCF =20 > are booming in here day and nite. > g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roger Lapthorn > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 1:35 PM > Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF ACTY > > Mal, > > I called CQ on 12wpm CW a few times just now on 500kHz, but no takers. > > There is always activity on 500kHz WSPR. Reports of my 1mW ERP =20 > signal received from 4 different stations (so far) in the last hour =20 > or so out to 237kms. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > 2009/12/21 mal hamilton > > I have never heard LF/MF so quiet over the years since it all =20 > started. In the past most of the DX that I have worked was around =20 > XMAS time. The wx at present in Scarborough is minus 2 C and covered =20 > in 6 inches of snow but it is not effecting my antennas so far even =20 > although there is some ice on the wires. > Now calling CQ on 502.6 kcs and looking for acty also on 137 kcs CW > De mal/g3kev > > > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (rly-mf04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.174]) by air-mf03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF033-95a4b2a473d31a; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:59:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF048-95a4b2a473d31a; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:59:12 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLHke-0006GQ-Vy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:54:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLHke-0006GH-JC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:54:48 +0000 Received: from web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com ([69.147.97.72]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLHmz-0004sl-09 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:57:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 52260 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2009 14:57:35 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1261061854; bh=MkhAtRMX13Gsup+5A4kUqvm6uYHN9IyyISFLAx1wifk=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fR8aOSZuaruqXNLaUCRMPZLg+yGI55Xibj/s3HtYjPVgu7gqtE45sulaAF98OnvzEbQyRQkuR/FjJ+Ppq4CrR5ZiuBRUkE3pwBjJ4kEeqa42LH3V503qlUvLbeop4TSCAwrVVL+AnQb6tvqdC4P3jJLV3IVOA5apC+EbDyg5D/Y= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=t/+DjKmsa1/6fRtCgLdFLDZ3VJo2GxpXeRl6GASCkB9PQeFj5GhbMoB6XbvFhgbE/YhmNpJx3osKI5qtCNy6cXDbRV6PxbZRash7Hqp0lUozI8o9HNeVaI3swvaxcT/KKSt3NuJCeklg/yCK950d5PkZpmta+xG0gvjxZbWFrZE=; Message-ID: <985541.50017.qm@web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: qlpT4k8VM1k9sjLWoqBcROU1ZYJVJfmSgOxfQa6x0qXwgHj1_jDK80TfkWGCUtU2lypfT1zdq053GsfCaZYf_tkYPxtKpPJBCIaAA49_JSFsraV1t3jsp7BZOeLUg15LkZN75PuADutAEF34zI9Zu5izLm0UGtmBYKH2hzy.Ri1cc3UE4iJss0GTBMHKDal5xKZEOVCsYWn__XLMa9zoRhMtKIeWa4kADXFDANF2bBvNceOQtVUkbGzftwPxdUmFn.pp9LnFx1Srouxnr5dcu6ygT1a91UEHvuFTf0gGHLmvAoskx4e8V8v6fMqtZypWcZIOpJN0NwQfPqKhEotpzD395dwgXyqbuDGPUrptV..kuutSPDa_yVBOTye_0srL.c1VzytOqZWqgecYHA-- Received: from [98.70.124.123] by web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 06:57:34 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 06:57:34 -0800 (PST) From: Andy - KU4XR To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Rambling thoughts on Cycle 24 upswing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m212.2 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : fail Hello all: The following is a post I made to another list about the cycle 24 upswing in solar activity. Just my personal observations/thoughts Mostly about LOWfer activity this side of the pond. It may depend on which side of the fence you're on whether the increased Solar activity is beneficial to your type of operation. mid to upper HF perks up for long distance, but lower HF and down begins to shorten up to more localised communications. 80 and 160 meter DX will become impossible except to the big guns, but on the other hand, if you're more into local ragchewing, that's when the band conditions become optimum. When I was operating A.M. on 80 meters,I loved it when the sunspot cycle was at its peak because many migrated up to the higher bands, and congestion wasn't nearly as bad. Plus the enhanced daytime local conditions were great. I was running a Hallicrafters HT-40 with 10 watts output into a low to the ground All band dipole, and every day would work stations 300 to 400 miles away during the afternoon, and the atmospheric noise didn't seem to be as bad on the low bands during the peak of the cycle. I know we are still 4 to 5 years away from real solar enhancement, but I'm curious what effects it will have on 600, 1750, and 2200 meters. 600 meters will show the greatest effects I'm sure. I wonder how it might affect 1750 meter beacons ??? Right now, we can't seem to " Hear or see " beacons 200 to 400 miles away, so if the band conditions change to closer in, is it possible that we might begin to actually Hear some of the closer in beacons ?? If it gets to the point that beacons become audible on 1750 meters, operators might be able to have actual CW QSO's with each other. That would be fantastic as operators could program their beacons for CW mode, where current conditions allow only for SLLOOOOWWW mode operation if you have any hope of being " Seen " but not heard. Just my rambling thoughts today; *** 73 everyone *** Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29866 KHz ( QRSS-60 ) Coordinates: N: 35* 43' 54" - W: 84* 3' 16" http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr http://webpages.charter.net/ku4xr/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dg06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.65.14]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE023-5ea84b3335e23c4; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 04:35:30 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dg06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5B2B0380000A8; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 04:35:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNk5X-0007Y0-Bn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:34:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNk5W-0007Xr-Sj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:34:30 +0000 Received: from 94-193-52-114.zone7.bethere.co.uk ([94.193.52.114] helo=randomtask.saturley.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNk5T-0002XZ-RX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:34:30 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (randomtask.saturley.net [192.168.1.1]) by randomtask.saturley.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20408300E1 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:34:05 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4B3335E2.2030804@junkshifta.co.uk> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:35:30 +0000 From: Simon Newhouse User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-RandomTask-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RandomTask-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-4.399, required 4, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-MailScanner-From: simon@junkshifta.co.uk X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: saq Christmas transmission Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410e4b3335e21a73 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Thanks hugely ! Lee Hudson wrote: > Hi Simon, LF Group > > Just put this recording on the web of the SAQ transmision. > Not as good as the ones earlier in the month. > > http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/SAQ%2020091224%200800utc%20Message.MP3 > > 73, > Lee M0LMH. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Simon Newhouse > Sent: 24 December 2009 08:41 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: saq Christmas transmission > > > Hello group, > > Has anyone made a recording of the SAQ broadcast this morning ? I > thought I had got it only to find that the soft ware was only recording > up to 5khz GRRRRRrrr.. That'll teach me to check my settings. Any way > the idea was to decode it at my leisure as I'm just learning morse. > > If any one has a recording that they could post to me I'd be very greatful. > > Thanks in advance. > > > Simon > > M0NWY. > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.117/2583 - Release Date: 12/23/09 > 19:02:00 > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de12.mx.aol.com (rly-de12.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.148]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE034-51a4b224d2b2f2; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:46:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE121-51a4b224d2b2f2; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:46:21 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ5oQ-0007Sc-HG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:45:38 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ5oQ-0007ST-3p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:45:38 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ5oO-0000CB-Eo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:45:38 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id B217651C00B for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:45:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C23EF3862 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:45:26 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:45:50 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe References: <1260444821.6353.65.camel@vaio3rd> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20091211134526.9C23EF3862@smtps02.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Stefan, if output power is constant and the noise (at RX) is uniform then the SNR is directly related to the RX bandwidth, what must be at least equal to the useful bandwidth of the TX signal. The required bandwidth for QRSS30 (0.033Hz) is ten times smaller than for QRSS3 (0.33Hz), so QRSS30 should have a 10dB better SNR. QRSS10 (bandwidth 0.1Hz) is about 5dB better tha QRSS3 and 5dB worse than QRSS30. The above also assumes that both RX and TX stability are sufficient. Have a look at http://www.qsl.net/on7yd/136narro.htm Another limit is the "stability" of the ionosphere, causing doppler effect and thus limiting the minimal bandwidth. Most of the time on 137kHz one can go as slow as QRSS120, but at 10MHz QRSS10 is the limit. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 13:29 11/12/2009, you wrote: >Dear LF, >Does anybody know about the "gain" between QRSS3 and QRSS10 or >QRSS30? I mean, if the noise in both cases is equal, how much can I >reduce my tx pwr when switching from qrss3 to qrss10? Or isn't it >possible to give such a relation? >And: Was there ever a TA QSO in QRSS3? >I am new on the reflector, sri ;-) > >Stefan / DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (rly-mg06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.112]) by air-mg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG023-a1c4b2aa9343d4; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:57:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG066-a1c4b2aa9343d4; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:57:09 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLOGk-0002OU-H1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:52:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLOGk-0002OL-5X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:52:22 +0000 Received: from mail-pz0-f177.google.com ([209.85.222.177]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLOJD-0007QS-4L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:54:57 +0000 Received: by pzk7 with SMTP id 7so4840065pzk.30 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:55:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=HBxC1sfN/LWCZogc4UdOty2dFJtLaxlHbz5x4TB+EIk=; b=NWrGhSYrseY6jeNXUSx+4c5z9IpgrDv0vjSjDP4nQvDCo35L1Zt7b3apCJSpCDxnAI HkN7/rnY9UD8zHTIKht02d/5kdS93PwE9XcDI2C2QBPc8LaoeC+zUr0XYWScj3zrEkGK po6VbcnxINSYQTy2SuHJXTzPqSMCvE5VJPCDs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=HviTINU5y1NsixNqw/P3xnVDoMIc3OwbuRVPQg4czWl7yplHRN4iQGsZ49Kuz8gCRr m4cM0X7s5Qu58bkVBQQ4+3jRUPOKNvEFHhks62mjcnjc9DyFDN1r97SAN+hUeetDhFp6 cDwUuBPU+Y1OJ/AN0UWf/W96Wb81/9jSkavAM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.131.12 with SMTP id i12mr2095711rvn.171.1261086918399; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:55:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:55:18 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ae458d3f9f72dce7 Message-ID: <1f0624b90912171355i60641f8fnb3d0d84d1f446aff@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: Rsgb_Lf_Group X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: G4WGT Grabbers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325553e7acd5715047af3ad1b X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m262.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000325553e7acd5715047af3ad1b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi All, There seems to be a problem with my ISP's webspace server, I can't get access to my web site files or ftp uploads for the grabbers. So unfortunately no grabber uploads until the service problem is resolved. Grabber uploads will start as soon as possible when the service is back again. 73 Gary - G4WGT. --000325553e7acd5715047af3ad1b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All,

There seems to be a problem with my ISP's= webspace server, I can't get access to my web site files or ftp uploa= ds for the grabbers.

So unfortunately no grabber= uploads until the service problem is resolved.

Grabber uploads will start as soon as possible when th= e service is back again.

73

<= div>Gary - G4WGT.
--000325553e7acd5715047af3ad1b-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df11.mx.aol.com (rly-df11.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.24]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF011-5884b16a42f2cc; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:30:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df11.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF111-5884b16a42f2cc; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:30:29 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFt1D-0005re-80 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:29:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFt1C-0005rV-Rp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:29:34 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFt1B-0007TV-QY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:29:34 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so427584bwz.4 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:29:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=5Dkl0NrwO6jGZPBzd7nMoO0jCZRGHwJv4NHCNr2tjfI=; b=NPMu+y/EcXVAHKlWlz6eO70dVXbLOh4eBwuFI6IB/yCD7YAOAIrm4ry0TCIgQ1BzlB ae6URt4nCPpJz5z00Hj8qx9qGQieVNwCuHgTpLtWCSFS1f/jDERY6kxloep+RZMnak/w d00U0te2nEDE0zvKbe4Ou2FefWhGitFpYyJQ8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=sSshEwAzqoGQ3M1kOqAvezKY//or8On4Rr4A458WTXZwVB/3S4KKFterc9VIvZ6H5f I5WnaOgB0VHg/Qb5RTaqV2IDAS7NGQwUCkx2kPSfX894v1OGO/YWurr2Z3eYAks1O64d oKHiiIGAXahVOj/AuDPwoqsKBjT8xAWp5k5Ns= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.25.76 with SMTP id y12mr462541bkb.13.1259774967017; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:29:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:29:26 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2640912020929k28ed644dl8f58ace35432e49@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500kHz WSPR (last time before trying 136kHz WSPR) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555a7ea67f37e0479c23795 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d294.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555a7ea67f37e0479c23795 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This evening I'm TXing on 500kHz WSPR (1mW ERP) and would appreciate reports. Tomorrow I plan to modify the TX PA and ATU for some 136KHz WSPR tests (<<1mW ERP) over the weekend. 73s Roger G3XBM -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555a7ea67f37e0479c23795 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This evening I'm TXing on 500kHz WSPR (1mW ERP) and would appreciate= reports.

Tomorrow I plan to modify the TX PA and ATU for some 136= KHz WSPR tests (<<1mW ERP) over the weekend.

73s
Roger G3X= BM

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--00032555a7ea67f37e0479c23795-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da08.mx.aol.com (rly-da08.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.82]) by air-da04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA043-a884b20e5ca33; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:13:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA088-a884b20e5ca33; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:12:59 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIhrz-00028F-Jn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:11:43 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIhrz-000286-3i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:11:43 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIhrx-0008JE-In for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:11:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 3645 invoked by uid 507); 10 Dec 2009 13:11:26 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2009 13:11:26 +0100 Message-ID: <200912101311320337.00F58B02@smtp2.numeo.fr> In-Reply-To: <150809.55455.qm@web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <150809.55455.qm@web28107.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:11:32 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Geneva and WRC-12 Agenda Items Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I believe (though I can't find the reference) that someone in France made= an informal enquiry - not via REF) about the equivalent of an NoV for 500= . The reply translated as "that part of the spectrum is not allocation to= the amateur service". F5VLF *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 10/12/2009 at 03:27 M0FMT wrote: >FYI=A0 ??=20 >"There is opposition to this proposal, primarily from the maritime servic= e >via the International Maritime Organisation and this has led to France >presenting a paper under agenda item 1.10 that suggests a use for the ban= d >495-505 kHz using datamodes.=A0=A0This was in response to papers from Can= ada >and the UK that proposed a secondary amateur band between 493 and 510(515= ) >kHz.=A0=A0There appears to be no commercial or technical reasoning behind= this >paper and it is suspected to be based on emotive grounds >only.=A0=A0Nevertheless agenda item 1.23 still requires a lot more suppor= t if >it is going to be successful."=20 >73 petefmt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de11.mx.aol.com (rly-de11.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.147]) by air-de06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE062-5104b2d662127; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:48:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de11.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE111-5104b2d662127; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:47:47 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NM8wS-000480-6J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 23:42:32 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NM8wR-00047r-Nr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 23:42:31 +0000 Received: from mailout.toya.net.pl ([217.113.224.27] ident=postfix) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NM90b-0007P0-VW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 23:46:52 +0000 Received: from mail.toya.net.pl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A95A2000005E for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 00:46:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (unknown [10.11.152.246]) (Authenticated sender: unimlyn) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2460F20000050 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 00:46:49 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B2D65E8.3030602@toya.net.pl> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 00:46:48 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?UGlvdHIgTcWCeW5hcnNraQ==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1261259479.2447.5.camel@gerhard-desktop> In-Reply-To: <1261259479.2447.5.camel@gerhard-desktop> X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Beaconing Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080106050505010602030802" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------080106050505010602030802 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gerhard Hickl wrote: >Hello group! > >I'm going to transmit a beacon for several hours this night. Text is "H" >on 136.318, speed is QRSS90. > >Ossi, OE5ODL is transmitting his "5" a few cps above. > >We both use roughly 50W antenna input. > > > Dear Gerhard, LF Group i've set up ad hoc my RX loop which "sits " on my balcony. It is not the best place for an antenna ( not to mention city center) but i saw definitely a 90 sec dot on the screen so maybe it will provide you with some info upon prop this night the sound card is not calibrated so do not be surprised by a 1Hz or 2 offset with respect to your tx qrg. I set Argo speed as 60 sec dot just to see more spectrum and possibly two stations ( i do not know the exact qrg of Ossi, OE5ODL) I have set the refresh rate of the grabber as 10 minutes and you can see all of this at: http://www.toya.net.pl/~mlynarski Yours, Piotr, sq7mpj qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ p.s. will leave the grabber running through the night --------------080106050505010602030802 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gerhard Hickl wrote: 
Hello group!

I'm going to transmit a beacon for several hours this night. Text is "H"
on 136.318, speed is QRSS90.

Ossi, OE5ODL is transmitting his "5" a few cps above.

We both use roughly 50W antenna input.

Dear Gerhard,=C2=A0 LF Group
i've set up=C2=A0 ad hoc=C2=A0 my RX loop which=C2=A0 "sits "=C2=A0= on my balcony. It is not the best place for an antenna ( not to mention city center)
but=C2=A0 i saw definitely=C2=A0 a 90 sec dot=C2=A0 on the screen so maybe= it=C2=A0 will provide you with some info upon prop this night
the sound card is not=C2=A0 calibrated so do not be surprised by=C2=A0 a= 1Hz or 2=C2=A0 offset=C2=A0 with respect to your tx qrg. I set=C2=A0 Argo speed= as 60 sec dot
=C2=A0just to see more spectrum and possibly=C2=A0 two stations ( i do not= know the exact qrg of Ossi, OE5ODL)=C2=A0 I have set=C2=A0 the refresh rate of= the grabber
as 10 minutes=C2=A0 and you can see all of this at:
=C2=A0http://www.toya.net.pl/~mlynarski

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Yours, Piotr, sq7mpj

qth: Lodz /jo91rs/

p.s. will=C2=A0 leave the grabber running through the night
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--------------080106050505010602030802-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb07.mx.aol.com (rly-mb07.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.165]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB052-d174b1fadca9a; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:01:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB073-d174b1fadca9a; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:01:48 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIN5v-0001m5-JH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:00:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIN5v-0001lw-88 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:00:43 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate05.web.de ([217.72.192.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIN5u-00036u-Fl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:00:43 +0000 Received: from web.de by fmmailgate05.web.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 08D1A5CE3B9E for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:00:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from [88.76.59.99] by freemailng2503.web.de with HTTP; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:00:31 +0100 Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:00:31 +0100 Message-Id: <1527929966@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?iso-8859-15?Q?Horst_St=F6cker?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-Provags-Id: V01U2FsdGVkX18QB+OcCgW6VrubcQL0F31b3jMR33ZXb/GhA6FlPimWQHtE3 S53enVLq3v/zX3v6KgFr1fwVuKM/DvAMV2hbnMa4W1d9JeDt7qMbdP7Um1yY w== X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: RE: LF: SAQ Testing Now Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Now signals on SAQ-Frequency again . . . ______________________________________________________ GRATIS f=FCr alle WEB.DE-Nutzer: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://movieflat.web.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da09.mx.aol.com (rly-da09.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.83]) by air-da07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA072-a8c4b2cda393a8; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:51:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA094-a8c4b2cda393a8; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:50:51 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLzdD-0001nM-Ls for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:46:03 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLzdD-0001nD-AK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:46:03 +0000 Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net ([207.115.11.54]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLzh8-0004Mz-RL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:50:09 +0000 Received: from [10.0.252.100] (166-82-181-251.stanlynet.org?[166.82.181.251]) by worldnet.att.net (frfwmhc04) with ESMTP id <20091219134959H0400skchie>; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:50:00 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [166.82.181.251] Message-ID: <4B2CDA00.6080504@att.net> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:49:52 -0500 From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX User-Agent: Messenger 9.0a1 (Windows/20071115) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <346854e9698cbf94f4483c66682bb63b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=CELL_PHONE_BOOST autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) James Moritz wrote: > I think the role of the ground with active whips is often neglected - > the output of the whip preamp is the voltage differential between the > whip element and the circuit ground, so the ground connection is just as > much part of the antenna as the whip element itself is. Clearly, an > electrically quiet ground is needed for the active whip, whether this is > provided by the coax feeder or a separate local ground connection. Years ago I built a simple MPF-102 active whip into a gutted VHF coil enclosure of a NMO mobile antenna. I quickly noticed the antenna performed much better when mounted on a vehicle roof than when mounted on a mast. Even when the whip was elevated up to 10 meters above the vehicle the roof mount received much better. As for the optical link, I attempted to link a remote VLF-3 by IR back to the shack. I never got that to work very well but I feel sure someone that knows what they are doing could perfect it. Dex From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (rly-dc09.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.38]) by air-dc10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC104-b414b355c2b196; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 19:43:30 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC095-b414b355c2b196; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 19:43:25 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOKjG-0003yq-Bu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 00:41:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOKjF-0003yh-PA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 00:41:57 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOKjD-0003Ut-MI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 00:41:57 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBQ0fsaL032002 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 01:41:54 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 01:41:49 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 01:41:49 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACFD@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: RE: /P (?) DFCW on 137 Thread-Index: AcqFkjGGCbtZHXZWR8iR2pquciL9bgAKIEgQAAJae6A= From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.646;25.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.26.3032 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA85C4.33CDF4C5" Subject: LF: WG: RE: /P (?) DFCW on 137 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA85C4.33CDF4C5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF group,=20 I wish all of you a merry Christmas! Thanks to all who gave me a call this evening!=20 Special thanks to Andrej/EW6GB, G3XIZ and IK1HSS! Sorry for the bad rprts= and my QRM. Andrej, sorry I have seen the W6GB, the E was missed in the= qrm. I have thought W6 (USA) that cannot be possible and so I thought the= first dot of the w was qrm and assumed it is M6... I did not come to the= idea that it could be EW, just after the QSO ;-) I am very sorry.=20 But: Things will be better and better. I had big problems with QRM, again.= But during the QSOs I found, that the active antenna is STRONGLY influenc= ed by the TX antenna. I will give a report about that (probably tomorrow).= So, now I know how to make things better the next time.=20 In my last /p activity I had no cpi of your signals and today we got the= first qso, that's a success! And during the call of G3XIZ I got your sign= al even in QRSS3 with M. There are some pics (inverted dashes and dots for the DFCW pics since I re= ceive in the USB (30m band with a LF+10MHz converter) and much QRG drift= in QRSS10 due to the high temperature difference when opening the car doo= r and/or switching on the heater) of the QSOs, with strong QRM by DCF39 bu= t as I said, now I know what to do next :-) 73, 55 and hpe cuagn this year! 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post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG056-a144b20337710d; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:32:09 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIW0C-0006aJ-Lf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:31:24 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIW0C-0006aA-3Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:31:24 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIW0A-0004CJ-1M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:31:24 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3521.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A6D811C000B2 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:31:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3521.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 99A311C000B8 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:31:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.5.59]) by mwinf3521.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 56ED01C000B2 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:31:16 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20091209233116356.56ED01C000B2@mwinf3521.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <20250.29213.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20250.29213.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 23:31:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<< Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Alan, If you saw the 70 MHz wspr tests I did with Gary last year .. I don't think frequency stability is a issue with Joe's software ! In test's on 500 over the years, the original MFSK system out performed the other systems tested , olivia came a close second, but needs a linear system due to the envelope shaping ..pity as the receive software has the ability to seek and decode the signal ... still waiting for some one to add a real arq function to one of the modern data packages, but 'they' all seem to be locked into a disaster email delivery system's .. what a disaster for the casual chatter ....... not that some of 'us' have not sent error corrected emails on 500 .. sorry could not resist it :) Im not involved with Rogers project as such , other than I was looking through the back posts to the ref and noticed the reference to 'wspr' ,the files are uploaded to the uk500khz group, but I notice there is not a 'G3XBM' page .. that may be a useful addition to link the files together ... 73 - G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "ALAN MELIA" Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:32 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<< > > Sounds good Roger and Graham... what it the stability like the problem > with transverters/upconverters normally is that while ok for some modes > they are often not stable enough for the very weak signal modes. These > are modes where you need to know the frequency of a station very > accurately because you will not hear it, or it will only pop above the > noise for short periods. > > Alan G3NYK > > > --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Graham wrote: > >> From: Graham >> Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<< >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 22:13 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> All >> >> This latest >> addition to the >> HF / MF tx convertor opens the door >> to data >> communications on 500 ... ranging from >> 'all' the K1JT systems >> through to the single carrier >> multi tone >> systems of >> MFSK , DOMINO and THOR .. even >> the almost >> forgotten Amtor-arq and Packtor modes , anyone >> still have >> there pk232 >> >> listed are >> data modes that may be used with >> non-linear systems :- >> >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/meat-grinder-comms >> >> G.. >> >> >> >> >> From: Roger >> Lapthorn >> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 12:20 AM >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> >> >> Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX >> transverter >> >> Dear All, >> >> My WSPR tx up-converter has now been modified to >> a full TX/RX tranverter suitable for WSPR, QRSS and >> CW in a >> very simple way, making use of the FT817 split >> facility which allows you >> to RX on 500kHz and TX on 28MHz. By adding a series LC >> between the TX PA and the >> FT817 input/output RF connection (with back-to-back diodes >> at the L and C >> junction, this allows "pass through" from the >> 500kHz ATU to the FT817 on RX >> (tuned to 500kHz). On TX, the diodes conduct and the C part >> is in parallel with >> the first cap in the TX low pass filter. This scheme is now >> working really well >> with good RX sensitivity and no change in TX power out. >> >> Schematic of the >> transverter is on my blog at http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >> . My >> attempt to add it as an attachment to an email here earlier >> failed. >> >> This more or less concludes my 500kHz experimenting, apart >> from >> getting a few more CW QSOs in the log. It's been great >> fun all the way with lots >> of support from folks here. I was going to try 136kHz, but >> think I will now give >> this a miss for now. >> >> 73s >> Roger G3XBM >> -- >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >> G3XBM >> GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >> >> >> >> >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (rly-dc06.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.35]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC022-b284b197bb8230; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:15:02 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC064-b284b197bb8230; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:14:33 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGfT8-0002LW-FJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:13:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGfT7-0002LN-Vg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:13:37 +0000 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGfT7-0007VI-0T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:13:37 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AngFAO8JGUtOlOfC/2dsb2JhbACCJirUHoQzBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,344,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="290382234" Received: from unknown (HELO TraceyPC) ([78.148.231.194]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Dec 2009 21:13:15 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Tracey Gardner" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB4A@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB4A@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 21:13:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Active Antenna Preamp of Bernd/DF8ZR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0129_01CA7526.9796A600" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0129_01CA7526.9796A600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The URL is an invalid one Tracey ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 5:51 PM Subject: LF: Active Antenna Preamp of Bernd/DF8ZR Hi Lowfers,=20 Now, Bernd has posted the circuit of his preamp for active antennas:= http://www.mydarc.de/df8zr/lf-active-antenna.pdf=20 It's nothing fundamental new. But it's just working very fine, with= an overvoltage shielded input. DLF (153kHz) gets attenuated by abt 40= dB, compared to the sigs in the wanted frequency range. Gain is abt 23= dB. It was published in summer 2003 in the CQDL.=20 73, Stefan ------=_NextPart_000_0129_01CA7526.9796A600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Hi Lo= wfers,=20

 

Now,=20 Bernd has posted the circuit of his preamp for active antennas:=20 http://www.mydarc.de/df8zr/lf-active-antenna.pdf<= /A>=20

 

It=92s=20 nothing fundamental new. But it=92s just working very fine, with an= overvoltage=20 shielded input. DLF (153kHz) gets attenuated by abt 40dB, compared= to the sigs=20 in the wanted frequency range. Gain is abt 23dB. It was published in= summer=20 2003 in the CQDL=85

 

73,=20 Stefan

------=_NextPart_000_0129_01CA7526.9796A600-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md04.mx.aol.com (rly-md04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.142]) by air-md03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD031-8ff4b212850da; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:57:04 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD047-8ff4b212850da; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:56:49 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NImIq-0003N4-Mt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:55:44 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NImIq-0003Mv-3z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:55:44 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NImIo-0001th-HZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:55:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 4118 invoked by uid 507); 10 Dec 2009 17:55:17 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2009 17:55:17 +0100 Message-ID: <200912101755280320.01F97E11@smtp2.numeo.fr> References: <170190.60453.qm@web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <200912101715590351.01D55848@smtp2.numeo.fr> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:55:28 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Fwd: Re: LF: Geneva and WRC-12 Agenda Items Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=LINES_OF_YELLING, LINES_OF_YELLING_2 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Sorry, Pete and LF. Meant to send direct to FMT. John F5VLF *********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** On 10/12/2009 at 17:15 John RABSON wrote: >Hi Pete, > >It arrived yesterday, just as I was taking my XYL out to celebrate our >wedding anniversary. I have now unpacked the parcel. =20 > >Many thanks for all your efforts. I have subscribed to the soft rock >Yahoo group and realise I have a lot to learn. =20 > >Cheque sent to you (Oh dear! that sounds like "our cheque is in the >post"). > >73 >John > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > >On 10/12/2009 at 06:54 M0FMT wrote: > >>Hi John >>=A0 >>Have you received my parcel yet,=A0with the soft rock ? >>=A0 >>73 petefmt > > > > > > *********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (rly-dc09.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.38]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC063-b444b34e1c79b; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:01:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC098-b444b34e1c79b; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:01:13 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOCZr-0002rf-1t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:59:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOCZq-0002rW-JV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:59:42 +0000 Received: from mail-yx0-f203.google.com ([209.85.210.203]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOCZn-0001XX-Rq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:59:42 +0000 Received: by yxe41 with SMTP id 41so30048276yxe.30 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 07:59:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=nqtNrbHej40oSmM23qGFtCMNeewadYWCSIYishHHIxo=; b=ENRAYG/IqZ/R8oq0P/kHdMJAw4cQ7HHyvB82cLMLm//rZVKIYAEOp7nAvKXoJYd3JB oaC5/C5PBBJLuBQL9NT3y6iFFblxke0URy3Nby+oc5oYiPv8UQ7zxrHWEABPyli5ky8R he1XgNMzxKMz7e8+izMPqHLr7a11G/XDxkR0A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=x9o5uVxpAUWwhI1Mn711ldIFvYwmgMhj7wrhxT76NC6MBEhro+UjmSrbkOwWdnJ8zt 37Vnbpuw8cSZSltMA4SjG1lqt9Ga+2N/PiP60VnetW7uLNXDPb/DyngWNbcN/oUB3F1t 2pfdDlR4wLL55N7qqq/f9E0SmpVS+AbH4NKQk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.119.12 with SMTP id r12mr13607750ybc.272.1261756772584; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 07:59:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B348883.1090304@online.fr> References: <80706327FC9F4856B3D4088340FE0D71@ns94d01ae4d850> <4B348883.1090304@online.fr> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:59:32 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca70912250759n4d455c7dnc71382013a43f861@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: Re: LF: XGJ last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d258.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Thank you Jean-Pierre! 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LF,

I was receiving good signals from OH1TN las= t night:
2250 Z  - 137.7 kHz  -  DFCW(3)  - 'O'&nbs= p; -  in IO 92 UB

I replied to his CQ's but my aerial current= was low due to snow.

73

Chris G3XIZ



--0-1935801103-1261299240=:9903-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME073-9c94b39e9c1163; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 06:36:48 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME075-9c94b39e9c1163; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 06:36:35 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPaMN-0008T0-92 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:35:31 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPaMM-0008Sr-Nr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:35:30 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s13.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.23]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPaMK-0008FB-OS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:35:30 +0000 Received: from COL122-W15 ([65.55.34.8]) by col0-omc1-s13.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 29 Dec 2009 03:35:19 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:35:19 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1BCA5076F8C144B0957BD8853BEA599A@LAPTOP> References: <1BCA5076F8C144B0957BD8853BEA599A@LAPTOP> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2009 11:35:19.0555 (UTC) FILETIME=[FFFBA530:01CA887A] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_45e1b940-ada3-4b81-9a7f-547b48b776ee_" Subject: RE: LF: Stations on 505kHz last night. X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_45e1b940-ada3-4b81-9a7f-547b48b776ee_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Michael, LF! OK, DI2AM is on 505.180kHz. I don=B4t know, who is on 505,030kHz, but my= beacon OK0EMW is on 505,060kHz. It transmit a text:=20 "Beacon OK0EMW JN88KS" . These letters "KS" might be "XS", which you liste= ned. You can try to listen my beacon signal next night. 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS From: misan@xs4all.nl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 09:07:43 +0100 Subject: LF: Stations on 505kHz last night. To DI2AM and all LF =20 Good morning all, also copied by ear two=20 transmissions just above 505kHz last night. =20 29-12-2009 00:50utc 505.20kHz DI2AM, QRSS3 and=20 plain CW. 29-12-2009 01:00utc 505.03kHz QRSS3? and plan CW=20 ...XS...? =20 Please confirm DI2AM is ok and give a=20 clue who could be the other station. =20 Kind Regards, =20 Michael (Mike) / PC4M =20 =20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9= =ED informace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_45e1b940-ada3-4b81-9a7f-547b48b776ee_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Michael, LF!
OK, DI2AM is on 505.180kHz. I don=B4t know, who is= on 505,030kHz, but my beacon OK0EMW is on 505,060kHz. It transmit a text:=
"Beacon OK0EMW JN88KS" . These letters "KS" might be "XS", which you= listened.  You can try to listen my beacon signal next night.
73!=
Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

From: misan@xs4al= l.nl
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 09:07:4= 3 +0100
Subject: LF: Stations on 505kHz last night.

To DI2AM and all LF
 
Good morning all, also copied by ear= two=20 transmissions just above 505kHz last night.
 
29-12-2009 00:50utc 505.20kHz DI2AM,= QRSS3 and=20 plain CW.
29-12-2009 01:00utc 505.03kHz QRSS3?= and plan CW=20 ...XS...?
 
Please confirm DI2AM is ok = and give a=20 clue who could be the other station.
 
Kind Regards,
 
Michael (Mike) / PC4M
 
 
 
=
Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten= prav=FD? Da= l=B9=ED informace. =3D --_45e1b940-ada3-4b81-9a7f-547b48b776ee_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh10.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh10.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.222]) by air-de06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE063-5eb84b3939ac8a; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:05:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh10.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3A81E380000A5; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:05:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPOdP-0007Gp-MU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:04:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPOdP-0007Gg-7Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:04:19 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.30]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPOdN-0000VL-Gd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:04:19 +0000 Received: from LAPTOP (a83-163-2-28.adsl.xs4all.nl [83.163.2.28]) by smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id nBSN48QN090102 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 00:04:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from misan@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: From: "M. Sanders" To: References: <00b501ca8810$5d64ecb0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 00:03:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: 502,55 kHz tonight. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA881A.5961CF70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60de4b3939ab276f X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA881A.5961CF70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal, Tnx for confirmation, 73's Mike/PC4M ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 11:51 PM Subject: LF: Re: 502,55 kHz tonight. Michael Cfm your report. QRL at present with XGR/6=20 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M. Sanders=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 10:41 PM Subject: LF: 502,55 kHz tonight. To All LF / G3KEV? Tonight started listening on 600m and copied slow CW by ear (compu= ter psu still makes to much noise on 500kHz) 502,55kHz 22:27UTC: G3KEV XGR Please confirm transmission so I'll know I am on the right track= improving my station Rx for 500kHz. Kind regards, best 73's, Michael, PC4M ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA881A.5961CF70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mal,
Tnx for confirmation,
73's Mike/PC4M
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Monday, December 28, 20= 09 11:51=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: 502,55 kHz= =20 tonight.

Michael
Cfm your report.
QRL at present with XGR/6
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M. Sand= ers
Sent: Monday, December 28,= 2009 10:41=20 PM
Subject: LF: 502,55 kHz ton= ight.

To All LF / G3KEV?
 
Tonight started listening on 600m= and copied=20 slow CW by ear (computer psu still makes to much&nb= sp;noise=20 on 500kHz)
 
 
502,55kHz 22:27UTC: G3KEV XG= R
 
Please confirm transmission so I'= ll know I am=20 on the right track improving my station Rx for 500kHz.
 
Kind regards, best 73's,
 
Michael, PC4M
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA881A.5961CF70-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df04.mx.aol.com (rly-df04.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.17]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF032-5484b191a8f25c; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:20:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF047-5484b191a8f25c; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:20:01 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGYzg-00076o-HH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:18:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGYze-00076f-Eo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:18:46 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGYzb-0004hl-3B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:18:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 6778 invoked by uid 507); 4 Dec 2009 15:18:13 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 15:18:13 +0100 Message-ID: <200912041518200592.0F1EF600@smtp2.numeo.fr> In-Reply-To: <4B18F629.8050606@usa.net> References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B16987B.9000002@usa.net> <4B179DE6.3050608@usa.net> <20091203194531.or926chzk844g4k8@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <4B183595.5060800@usa.net> <4B18C0F9.8060202@telia.com> <4B18F629.8050606@usa.net> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 15:18:20 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On 04/12/2009 at 12:44 Alberto di Bene wrote: >Correct... so to reduce the variance, what would be needed is a much >greater number >of samples so to average out the statistical fluctuations... hmmm, not to= o >bad a task... :-) > >73 Alberto I2PHD And several participants, so as to cancel observer effects. Perhaps sched= ule tests for RSGB convention or Bodenseetreffen? 73 John F5VLF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (rly-dg01.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.85]) by air-dg03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG034-59e4b21de6b157; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:54:48 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG013-59e4b21de6b157; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:54:38 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIxCN-0004Fx-TC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 04:33:47 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIxBZ-0004Fo-4D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 04:32:57 +0000 Received: from defout.telus.net ([199.185.220.240]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIxBX-0005AI-1n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 04:32:57 +0000 Received: from edtnaa02.telusplanet.net ([75.157.163.71]) by priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091211042752.PUNE760.priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net@edtnaa02.telusplanet.net> for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:27:52 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.67] (d75-157-163-71.bchsia.telus.net [75.157.163.71]) by edtnaa02.telusplanet.net (BorderWare Security Platform) with ESMTP id 6CACA3F0EFAE8941 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:27:52 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <4B21CA48.8060108@telus.net> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 04:27:52 +0000 From: Scott Tilley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <20091210100700.32DEC31E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <1260444821.6353.65.camel@vaio3rd> <1260449921.6353.77.camel@vaio3rd> In-Reply-To: <1260449921.6353.77.camel@vaio3rd> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AW: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Rick Please try for a time before and during my sunrise. You may be surprises. Very good LF condx right now. 73 Scott Rick Wakatori wrote: > Hi Laurence and the others, > OKay. I will operate QRSS60 at 137780Hz as long as possible on 13th > December. My antenna at there will be much suitable than usual. > 73, Rick > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf01.mx.aol.com (rly-mf01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.171]) by air-mf04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF041-93d4b34030fd3; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:11:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF013-93d4b34030fd3; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:10:56 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNxkI-0001D3-Db for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 00:09:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNxkH-0001Cu-TO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 00:09:29 +0000 Received: from smtp6.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.190]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNxkF-0006KG-Cv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 00:09:29 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3633.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9FF7D7000087 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 01:09:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3633.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 934A9700008C for ; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 01:09:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.37.58]) by mwinf3633.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 53B377000087 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 01:09:21 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20091225000921342.53B377000087@mwinf3633.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <0D08CCFE529844B3B524BF1DAD1A0F1D@AGB> From: "Graham" To: Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 00:09:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: G3XIZ qrs at top of the band ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0087_01CA84F6.7BC4B270" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01CA84F6.7BC4B270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looks like G3XIZ running qrs at the top of the band .. not showin= g as qrs on the wspr display .. can be seen on=20 http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/ ? G ,,=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01CA84F6.7BC4B270 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Looks  like G3XIZ running = qrs at=20 the  top  of the  band .. not showing as qrs on the&nbs= p; wspr=20 display .. can be seen on
http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/ ?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0087_01CA84F6.7BC4B270-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me02.mx.aol.com (rly-me02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.35]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME013-9a34b1ad2fb3ae; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 16:39:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME027-9a34b1ad2fb3ae; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 16:39:08 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NH2KU-0008AE-74 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 21:38:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NH2KT-0008A5-Ps for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 21:38:13 +0000 Received: from mail-px0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NH2KT-0005DS-0P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 21:38:13 +0000 Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so667502pxi.30 for ; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 13:38:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=B+WeAtyNwSKCOILf/3t5bs60siTyvx2HYxJqzT1rPbY=; b=GIYt6SjYaQ3gMnboXGC8tdcXvccWE0ADc2ApJabkiqVdPWJJSR0Jb9JVLxkGD0XRIo OfCCIMvAhimQar9wMTk43fHKdhOmFttuvG2E60FiCuahAxuFtLHBfJFuwO5KtuDtgvaI F6XhwQS/OpCZYfi/tqQKb/Q7LsCkj7aQPZDVk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=xvLeqRQ4qnDBA6d2IjGuM2uYKSaIyh2Ht+8YH90tcB5rOlO4nPDCnaEAQHDMvjTXFQ 8xlWqr2ArokIQ1nKgFFLJtL+gnqX+vmwnth0HG6eOYmKZi4tBqgARyciR8n+UNvw6VRe 6hYNkROZyc1ywaGXnjeJyjBJDE5jZcmt0WqCs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.51.14 with SMTP id d14mr296926rvk.147.1260049085752; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 13:38:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20091205214737.ab07d9ds00s44sso@webmail6.kuleuven.be> References: <59DC6AF25071476FA37B42E3896BC627@radiorummet> <00aa01ca7548$de12ce70$0201a8c0@Clemens04> <9AF4BA15A6D94C3483BB006F4E38040B@radiorummet> <001a01ca758f$b9fba3d0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> <20091205214737.ab07d9ds00s44sso@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 21:38:05 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 77f38b346118fa15 Message-ID: <1f0624b90912051338t266765a3x2233faf64025e6a7@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz RTTY Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1505e27e728047a020a24 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d302.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0cd1505e27e728047a020a24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Rik, Thanks for your report & comments. I enjoyed the QSO with Graham, I could also hear the CW you mention. Cheers, Gary - G4WGT. 2009/12/5 Rik Strobbe > Gary, Grahem, > > I followed your RTTY QSO (+/- 20:40 UTC) with almost perfect copy from both > station. > Even after a CW station started calling CQ about 200Hz up copy was still > good. RTTY 45dB/85Hz seems quite robust. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > --000e0cd1505e27e728047a020a24 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rik,

Thanks for your report & comments.

I enjoyed the QSO with Graham, I could also hear the CW= you mention.

Cheers,

Ga= ry - G4WGT.


2009/12/5 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.k= uleuven.be>
Gary, Grahem,

I followed your RTTY QSO (+/- 20:40 UTC) with almost perfect copy from bot= h station.
Even after a CW station started calling CQ about 200Hz up copy was still= good. RTTY 45dB/85Hz seems quite robust.

73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T


--000e0cd1505e27e728047a020a24-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md04.mx.aol.com (rly-md04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.142]) by air-md03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD033-8fb4b23a53ba3; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 09:14:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD043-8fb4b23a53ba3; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 09:14:21 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJShm-0000LT-MQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:12:18 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJShk-0000KX-Lt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:12:16 +0000 Received: from mx01.infotech.at ([213.174.240.1]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJR7B-0007Ek-Vo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:30:28 +0000 Received: from [213.174.255.45] by mx01.infotech.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJR7A-000534-8L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:30:24 +0100 Message-ID: <4B238CC9.9070108@inext.at> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:30:01 +0100 From: Oberreiter Oswald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001901ca7ab9$f82c4630$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <4B22D7EF.7070908@inext.at> <20091212105228.nhnn4kgtogw0w44s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20091212105228.nhnn4kgtogw0w44s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: ID of station on 137775.25? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) thank you rik! it was my first report from W i learnt a lot fore my lf works on youre homepage thanks again . 73 ossi oe5odl. Rik Strobbe schrieb: > Ossi, > > that was an audible copy here. > "AGC" was also O-copy a few Hz up. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting Oberreiter Oswald : > >> hallo jay thanks fere report was transmiting only my nr 5 5 5 5 5 ... >> 73 oe5odl ossi >> >> jrusgrove@comcast.net schrieb: >> Very strong copy of '5' earlier. Curious who this might be. >> >> Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 >> >> ________________________________ >> >> [cid:part1.09070409.07020909@inext.at] >> > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (rly-dg02.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.86]) by air-dg03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG033-5a64b20dd04216; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:35:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG021-5a64b20dd04216; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:35:34 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIhIG-0001ip-GY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:34:48 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIhIG-0001ig-3l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:34:48 +0000 Received: from web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.128]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIhIE-0007yf-5R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:34:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 92478 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Dec 2009 11:34:40 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1260444880; bh=WU5sgXrmK9E7UqQxFN5hf5s198PgqbO0HMobpepZjZA=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lkDzD/OB/4xMfQOFW//8MWoN3JAQTlDcxIXEhpZadcaLxwHjH0Q7H01YCJRw1FuOzjtjlTC/0MksxwV6SWHNd7gBpDeTjLgYUSIkbd2VaHJd3UN4He+9/h9+C0/kDgbgd5uhNCFXlSJCeVRxQoP7nG2VN7sVdu0l5pc0MxmogRc= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IL/j+uQIwRHKmUx/YL+56zezWMCzTKyUv/MMI1u1iLni7iei2+5FPUv/h4qYoO050iz3aHJa5NB3AZHuTXjAIUm0bbsbyUjrKWSf+gwyq4doJ2BWTcnseZ+m4+G5/24G6ERzbUpwZ/G64K8UVNe6ma24JaeLER4FP1JH7+WiPss=; Message-ID: <814295.92224.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 0yVjNp8VM1kVAh2sKYjAf3uxisSjFyeXaFcCHRcdobAD.xoWRhMhB56y43CUN7ZkeEi1k99NkIFKpaQutDYIrYkmWFH8tI2Eg5LTyR60mY8quiQ9V7fnikDn9zFbEQk9ItwIxNZDS7DmnB_WwtMktk1XCPOjwGA_nqLG2ghvhtZ1vugPXUXnk_PexmZZwJnZCG5Px_f4Pzg2z2QPy4qWxFphCp6IwHKDl9y.5kboi5Y_6s776sOrTeFFcDmgzxrWD6JIB5mnv9JsOuIXNVdnSn8d2V.YndcVUfSD5Afwdxnr74jD3AqjuzRreCmjkFYZMis- Received: from [213.122.53.240] by web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:34:40 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:34:40 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <20091210112926.9259131E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz in Holland Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m253.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass Hi Rik that sounds good it looks as though the "inertia" is slowly buildin= g up. Alan G3NYK --- On Thu, 10/12/09, Rik Strobbe wrote: > From: Rik Strobbe > Subject: LF: 500kHz in Holland > To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" > Date: Thursday, 10 December, 2009, 11:29 >=20 > =20 > Just read this on >=20 > http://www.iaru-r1.org/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&view=3Darticle&id= =3D180&Itemid=3D133 > : >=20 >=20 > Netherlands: Full licence amateurs > can opt for > an experimental permit to conduct experiments in the band > 501-504 kHz > with a maximum power of 5 W EIRP and a maximum bandwitdth > of 100 Hz. The > experiments will start on 1 January 2010 and will continue > for one year > maximum. >=20 >=20 > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T=20 >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md01.mx.aol.com (rly-md01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.139]) by air-md03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD031-8e54b266a01e8; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:38:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD015-8e54b266a01e8; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:38:26 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKDtw-0004br-9j for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:36:00 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKDtv-0004bi-US for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:35:59 +0000 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKDut-0006D9-CF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:37:01 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlAFAMH4JUtZ8INV/2dsb2JhbACIXtAUhCsEgWI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,395,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="211483127" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.240.131.85]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2009 16:36:58 +0000 Message-ID: <001401ca7cdb$a8639120$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <000a01ca7cd5$f79adc40$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:36:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: DIODE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Tnx David for the info, yes they could be thyristors. I have a 96 and 98. If convenient give me the basic spec. They might even be duds !! They look hefty tnx ag mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pratt" To: Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 4:15 PM Subject: Re: LF: DIODE In a recent message, mal hamilton wrote ... >MF Grp >Does anyone have spec for a BTY 96 UM or BTY 98. Looks like a Big Amp >carrying device I have the data sheets for the BTY95 and BTY99 from the Mullard Technical Handbook, but they are Thyristors if that is a clue. 73 David G4DMP -- +- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | David M Pratt, Kippax, Leeds, UK | | http://www.g4dmp.co.uk | +- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (rly-mf02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.172]) by air-mf03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF031-94a4b198eb8335; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:35:58 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF028-94a4b198eb8335; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:35:38 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGgjT-0002zh-VJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:34:35 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGgjT-0002zY-Ef for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:34:35 +0000 Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca ([24.222.0.30]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGgjS-00013t-MF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:34:35 +0000 MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip05.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.68]) by mta03.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009)) with ESMTP id <0KU500DQFG1JCDQ1@mta03.eastlink.ca> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:34:32 -0400 (AST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnQGAK4cGUsY10KJ/2dsb2JhbACCJiqHKyuDeQbIWQqEKQQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,344,1257134400"; d="scan'208,217";a="680022154" Received: from blk-215-66-137.eastlink.ca (HELO backup) ([24.215.66.137]) by ip05.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:38:26 -0400 Message-id: <3052E5262F7E4B528B9BBC7C2DB030E2@backup> From: Vernon To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <008101ca752c$e6253790$6402a8c0@e7010> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:34:31 +0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_qR02C4+t3yAIYs8WD4UbuA)" Subject: LF: Monitoring WSPR...dial 502.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_60_70, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_qR02C4+t3yAIYs8WD4UbuA) Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Turn up the power :-) Try for Trans Atlantic Antenna - 750' unterminated wire orientated E/W RX - Icom R75 QTH - FN85ij 73 de Vernon - VE1VDM Onslow, Nova Scotia --Boundary_(ID_qR02C4+t3yAIYs8WD4UbuA) Content-Type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Turn up the power :-) Try for Trans Atlantic
 
Antenna - 750' unterminated wire orientated E/W
 
RX - Icom R75
 
QTH - FN85ij
 
73 de Vernon - VE1VDM
Onslow, Nova Scotia
--Boundary_(ID_qR02C4+t3yAIYs8WD4UbuA)-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me10.mx.aol.com (rly-me10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.44]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME034-9dd4b3496a82b5; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 05:40:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME101-9dd4b3496a82b5; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 05:40:42 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NO7Zy-0002AN-NK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:39:30 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NO7Zy-0002AE-3b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:39:30 +0000 Received: from smtp819.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.248]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NO7Zw-0006oA-3u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:39:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 34834 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2009 10:39:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=leNVI8f3ymGjYj184V2NVm8V8Lhn75kaVNfAfcmTu0BDBmqwNUSKP8ZfDyrXY+nhw85HoGw9iOpei/xKG9ZhYSw8ex3ijUuWSIOkjnUgTLUGnPiTl2csJ18egmWiTvC34pPYnObpXlRo6vDlId+UrlGcmi/SzGicuO43GTGT4hQ= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.179.135.6 with login) by smtp819.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2009 10:39:22 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: 4hjqJZkVM1nqzBgj3dr0s8J0mifP8N23tJVi5AZ9r9E9Hw2Rzqhz1gjFOEtc44cuWYOs97mNroppgMRbip9wOMueNbfXYTD3se8NuiiK4OGovNQbmeie2RgYpwQwpTMfl.Gv.o6Zoqe8egiYELBRfmTA6LiXWIegOuhElA5r3R83D71zPjOBjIl1nmK2n1YI4Dt_dYuU18tkTB60oxxddsahgTwYWN3QynxT6sNlXZjVaA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <6949F910A2A945058B164FC3443B420B@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:39:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Happy Christmas Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF Group, A very happy Christmas to all on the LF reflector! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma02.mx.aol.com (rly-ma02.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.46]) by air-ma03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA034-88f4b1d6d4b78; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:02:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA021-88f4b1d6d4b78; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:02:06 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHkhY-0003ee-H8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:01:00 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHkhY-0003eV-3h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:01:00 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHkhW-0002Au-JE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:01:00 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id C15107B8050 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:00:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D3531E702 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:00:46 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 5101F18056; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:00:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from 37.1-180-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (37.1-180-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [91.180.1.37]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 22:00:46 +0100 Message-ID: <20091207220046.49h1zwc3tw448s4s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 22:00:46 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <9afca2640912071058u8d99fbbp6c9464d698d6f0f7@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9afca2640912071058u8d99fbbp6c9464d698d6f0f7@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 91.180.1.37 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz CW CQ CQ.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Roger, I have been listeing but only heard GW3UEP on 501.5 I will give it another try at 21:30 UTC 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T PS: can you preeced your CQ by a 10 sec carrier or so? That would allow me to locate you with Argo. Quoting Roger Lapthorn : > I'm calling CQ on ~501.8kHz but getting no responses as yet.... > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD052-91c4b2fdace2d0; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:30:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD084-91c4b2fdace2d0; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:30:08 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMonE-0003TL-E7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:23:48 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMonD-0003TB-Vd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:23:48 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMosT-0005k8-27 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:29:13 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApAFAFppL0tOlqc1/2dsb2JhbACIXs1WgiWCCQQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,433,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="224160432" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.150.167.53]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2009 20:29:04 +0000 Message-ID: <002f01ca827c$3c8c3e60$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <001401ca8222$5ce76d10$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g><9afca2640912210535v7922b3d4ned743d26dfd2a412@mail.gmail.com><001701ca824a$904740e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <20091221165732.37blf9vaoosgkw0k@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <981F86FBB93F4C97BF472E9446BA1EA2@AGB> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:29:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF ACTY Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I have already worked the said station on CW, not a problem for me. Others with Asymetrical Ears or distorted polarisation of head might have a problem with qrp. g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" To: Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 4:18 PM Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF ACTY > So much for the EC10 hot radio then ? > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Rik Strobbe" > Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 3:57 PM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF ACTY > > > > > There is little challenge in copying the mentioned QRO stations, copying > > QRP stations is the real challenge. > > > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > > Quoting mal hamilton : > > > >> Turn the wick up and someone might hear u. The DL, SM, LA and EIOCF are > >> booming in here day and nite. > >> g3kev > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Roger Lapthorn > >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > >> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 1:35 PM > >> Subject: Re: LF: LF/MF ACTY > >> > >> Mal, > >> > >> I called CQ on 12wpm CW a few times just now on 500kHz, but no takers. > >> > >> There is always activity on 500kHz WSPR. Reports of my 1mW ERP signal > >> received from 4 different stations (so far) in the last hour or so out > >> to 237kms. > >> > >> 73s > >> Roger G3XBM > >> > >> 2009/12/21 mal hamilton > >> > > >> I have never heard LF/MF so quiet over the years since it all started. > >> In the past most of the DX that I have worked was around XMAS time. The > >> wx at present in Scarborough is minus 2 C and covered in 6 inches of > >> snow but it is not effecting my antennas so far even although there is > >> some ice on the wires. > >> Now calling CQ on 502.6 kcs and looking for acty also on 137 kcs CW > >> De mal/g3kev > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> ------------------------------------------------------------- > >> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > >> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > >> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > >> > > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de02.mx.aol.com (rly-de02.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.138]) by air-de08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE082-4bc4b168d67313; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 10:53:30 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE027-4bc4b168d67313; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 10:53:12 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFrV0-0004c4-Ii for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:52:14 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFrV0-0004bv-3x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:52:14 +0000 Received: from smtp832.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.189.246]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFrUy-0005kd-AJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:52:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 79958 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2009 15:52:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=3exsw5U/rsOJPgrcQyY3tPTp9Y1NCDozGqLKuhnkIGbaHC7aiqFRGlnSgNapBm/cqq4mJ090y6lK240UFKmhU52fZJqjsDQzvLXJ7vHXKxt4Ys+YYRAa8TM6qTrCEOablbw/YmG+fB4uvl7FWSBjg0miE1JNlJHF1rWwQ6qVeDA= ; Received: from unknown (HELO IBM7FFA209F07C) (c.ashby435@81.135.138.168 with login) by smtp832.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2009 15:52:06 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9STUSnaswBBSd6nO_2gAC20jmYlWRjmg8d5iYd8s.rl181aR6Sw- X-YMail-OSG: RK3B1okVM1kJ_ecxa_H88yo7Pnoa8FqcLRQLLXTAJ39IQFA56UuwhgrwPIcesKJPNheQ2fjwV9PrMH8CZvcHMOncnYxyAT0VMtliUVpyuXvn8tDnWXqO18llABNsRRRFKG0XVFoQpeSoTpMs7ELZ8RSN9vW7gZvgpq61xdFdZmx_2sdwmvtitJp6UMc9JCdkj1kIK1TmU7ledvtsSzLTsBYxQYjD00vRErGFlIyHpABpBY_oPMbuCMHGXd1zBGN67Or64XW3Qe9M_G8zqwb.R4EPpDvu92lnx2dlYg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <72FADC01B9924A96BFFE4D142278E43F@IBM7FFA209F07C> From: "Chris" To: References: <2FF5BE0915484B3EB86B7B946032FA80@IBM7FFA209F07C> <4B1689B9.30157.24374D@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:52:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: Re: LF: G3XDV Test or Beacon Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Thank you! Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dennison" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 3:37 PM Subject: Re: LF: G3XDV Test or Beacon > Chris, > > Yes, I can repeat the exercise tonight. Weather permitting (it's > raining heavily here now) I will transmit my call in QRSS3 on > 136.318kHz from around 1800 to 2100UTC. > > 73 de Mike > ========= > >> Are you planning any tests or beaconing this evening? Three of us >> found your signal last evening most useful for comparitive equipment >> and antenna set ups. We would all like you to do it again! It's not >> often we get such a reliable, consistent and strong signal for such >> puposes. Thanks. Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent. > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df04.mx.aol.com (rly-df04.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.17]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF021-5454b184f7b18b; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:53:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF044-5454b184f7b18b; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:53:33 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGLT6-0004fc-4k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:52:16 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGLT5-0004fT-LA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:52:15 +0000 Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com ([64.12.100.31]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGLT3-00018X-PM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:52:15 +0000 Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nB3Nq066021886 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 18:52:00 -0500 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.d34.5f145d44 (34965) for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 18:51:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.68] ([92.21.151.214]) by cia-da07.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA072-88954b184f1914d; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:51:54 -0500 From: g4gvw To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4B183595.5060800@usa.net> References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B16987B.9000002@usa.net> <4B179DE6.3050608@usa.net> <20091203194531.or926chzk844g4k8@webmail6.kuleuven.be> <4B183595.5060800@usa.net> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:51:47 +0000 Message-Id: <1259884307.6244.34.camel@pat-compaq-evo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.1 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: G4gvw@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Aahh! But the Belgians further complicate matters by designing beers whose individual character may be best suited to any one of the number of courses that comprise a fine dining experience at dinner. I've certainly enjoyed a six course meal in the Ardennes during which a different beer was served with each course in addition to a beer aperitif and a further couple of small ones before departing to bed! We may, therefore, suppose that S/N ratios might depend on the number of samples, their frequency and relative signal strengths. The condition of the observer should,probably, also be taken into account! 73 On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 23:03 +0100, Alberto di Bene wrote: > Rik Strobbe wrote: > > Roelof, > > > > I cannot agree, a Belgian beer can will provide at least 10dB better SNR ;-) > > I tend to agree with Rik, the best beers I ever drank were those in La Grande Place > in Bruxelles, many years ago, when I was there for QRL. > I remember a three-story building facing directly the Place, where you could taste > all kind of Trappiste beers... I spent there many evenings... though I did not think > to perform a measurement in dBs of the SNR with respect to beers coming from the Amstel river :-) > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > -- 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw qth nr felixstowe uk (east coast, county of suffolk) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG074-a214b2264f332; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:28:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG073-a214b2264f332; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:27:49 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ7OX-0008JQ-4H for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:27:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ7OW-0008JB-9v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:27:00 +0000 Received: from warsl404pip3.highway.telekom.at ([195.3.96.115] helo=email.aon.at) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ7OV-0001NY-2D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:27:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 10488 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2009 15:26:52 -0000 Received: from 188-23-78-30.adsl.highway.telekom.at (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([188.23.78.30]) (envelope-sender ) by smarthub97.highway.telekom.at (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 11 Dec 2009 15:26:52 -0000 From: Gerhard Hickl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4B221D77.23434.434B0D@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> References: , <88EEC52E6C874CCEB966804D073A3376@White> <4B221D77.23434.434B0D@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Disposition-Notification-To: gerhard.hickl@aon.at Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:26:51 +0100 Message-ID: <1260545211.2370.107.camel@gerhard-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello folks! I was one of the "bad boys" transmitting yesterday night in the "waterhole"...The purpose were some test with the antenna where I rely on grabbers. But of course, I didn't choose my qrg by chance or to interfere with somebody else. No, rather the reasoning is what Mike writes in his post below. Some of the grabbers even don't have a window around 700 but only show the "waterhole". I also know, that people who run grabbers can't be blamed for not offering this opportunity. I'm not aware if offering such a 2nd window is a lot of work or if it is just "done by software". Anyways, I would appreciate such an alternative. Cheers es 73 OE3GHB Gerhard Am Freitag, den 11.12.2009, 10:22 +0000 schrieb Mike Dennison: > Markus is absolutely right. This should reduce QRM for those > monitoring for DX, and improve the chance of two-way DX QSOs. > However, I think many stations have recently used the upper slot > because most grabbers are set for this area (except Markus's own > excellent system). Is it possible for more grabbers to be dual > frequency? > > Mke, G3XDV > ========== > > > On 11 Dec 2009 at 9:38, Markus Vester wrote: > > > Dear LF, > > > > the passage should have said: > > > > Taking into account the path of mutual darkness, this would mean that > > all stations should transmit in the UPPER band during their evenings > > until local midnight, and then QSY to the lower band for the rest of > > the night. > > > > Sorry for the confusion. > > > > 73, Markus > > > > > > From: Markus Vester > > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 12:14 AM > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Subject: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes > > > > > > Dear LF group, > > > > recently we find the "transatlantic waterhole" around 137.777 kHz > > quite busy. Several Europeans have started beaconing within this > > segment. And there has been some fast (QRSS3 or 10) activity, with > > wide traces covering up possible transatlantic DX signalling > > frequencies. > > > > During the last years, we have attempted to split the frequency bands > > for both directions of transatlantic work. Traditional segments were > > around 137.777 kHz west-to-east (for Americans transmitting towards > > Eu), and around 136.320 kHz east-west (for Eu to stateside). Slow > > modes (QRSS or DFCW, 60 second and longer) were used almost > > exclusively there, and several stations were able to successfully > > cross the pond in either direction. > > > > The situation has become a little more intricate as more stations from > > other parts of the world (eg. Asia, China, Japan) are joining the game > > with sensitive receivers and good signals. But I still think it would > > be helpful to separate RX and TX bands within each area as much as > > possible. > > > > My suggestion would be to stick with the east-west versus west-east > > allocation of the two slots. Taking into account the path of mutual > > darkness, this would mean that all stations should transmit in the > > lower band during their evenings until local midnight, and then QSY to > > the lower band for the rest of the night. Receiver settings would of > > course be vice versa. > > > > I'm aware that this scheme cannot be perfect and universal. It won't > > cover North-South hauls, and would not protect signals during early or > > late openings. But it's simple enough, and I believe it would still be > > very useful. Please don't get me wrong - I do not want to discourage > > anyone from putting out a signal, and certainly reject the notion of > > anything reminiscent of a "band police". I just think a little > > coordination may help all of us to be successful on this challenging > > and fascinating band. > > > > Let me have your thoughts... > > > > 73 de Markus, DF6NM > > > > http://freenet-homepage.de/df6nm/Grabber.htm > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (rly-mg05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.111]) by air-mg04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG044-a104b262b26d3; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 07:10:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG052-a104b262b26d3; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 07:10:16 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NK9ic-0001gR-37 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:08:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NK9ib-0001gI-OC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:08:01 +0000 Received: from mx01.infotech.at ([213.174.240.1]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NK9jU-0003Pl-Fi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:08:58 +0000 Received: from [213.174.228.201] by mx01.infotech.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NK9jd-0001qU-TB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:09:06 +0100 Message-ID: <4B262ACC.1020809@inext.at> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:08:44 +0100 From: Oberreiter Oswald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <6330BF27F79446A0885847B11E8CDA69@ns94d01ae4d850> In-Reply-To: <6330BF27F79446A0885847B11E8CDA69@ns94d01ae4d850> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: OSSI 13-12.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) thank you henny good conds running 30V 10 A pwr in , with a cool irfp 260 swr 1.5 in marconi 16 m high 80m hotizontal ,the end is17 m high with 7 wires down to 6m like an ivertet umprella . aprox 0.5-0.8 w erp ? i dont know exact 73 ossi henny van elst schrieb: > Hi Ossi, > strong again, > best 73s > henny cpm > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > OSSI 13-12.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen > virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet > toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt > weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (rly-dc09.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.38]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC084-b414b1d77ff2b3; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:48:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC095-b414b1d77ff2b3; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:47:44 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHlPV-0003tg-EQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:46:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHlPU-0003tX-Tx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:46:24 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHlPT-0007Se-FZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:46:24 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so4186174bwz.4 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:46:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=3/Qr2nJogMGzU8AUF6kmuWvZ3Uqio+NDTu+JM2SR7Iw=; b=M73Nqc087ubN9sVrFotMdGbd1R5fGSkm8cjSaOxufM2dH2EWlIt7MNVoWg3TCRjpMM ufdFVFwBwTQKYzBM9FUO2f608KgJeKl13K+t7Y3lE+/AVxMeWruuRzwJ/GKVC0OcxxfM GlUdB5xIlSOUlCjHY3SQj+y9dUdqLWsuIa1wM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=GZRnXjfTdgFyRMAgtKeEtksZkrBdpQ1q1/jnYcKrZVDRoETRKLY8IcxHYyCTB5v1DV bDN6yEYNzTwDgRFqwQiMZtFdCU9EBRWf+LfhiN04aGXuGdUoYfm9UENGL7t+OwY/mDoI qPE7STnWiy4Vj+RJzcVvvnM2bGCRATho+2Ymo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.24.69 with SMTP id u5mr7815870bkb.1.1260222377063; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:46:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20091207220046.49h1zwc3tw448s4s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> References: <9afca2640912071058u8d99fbbp6c9464d698d6f0f7@mail.gmail.com> <20091207220046.49h1zwc3tw448s4s@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 21:46:17 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2640912071346j79529ed7nb39f7558ab513e15@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz CW CQ CQ.... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0003255547661f7436047a2a6390 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m279.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0003255547661f7436047a2a6390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Called for about 10 mins at 12wpm at 2130z but nothng heard Rik. Back to WSPR.... 73s Roger G3XBM 2009/12/7 Rik Strobbe > Roger, > > I have been listeing but only heard GW3UEP on 501.5 > I will give it another try at 21:30 UTC > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > PS: can you preeced your CQ by a 10 sec carrier or so? That would allow me > to locate you with Argo. > > > > > > Quoting Roger Lapthorn : > > I'm calling CQ on ~501.8kHz but getting no responses as yet.... >> >> 73s >> Roger G3XBM >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >> G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >> >> > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0003255547661f7436047a2a6390 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Called for about 10 mins at 12wpm at 2130z but nothng heard Rik. Back to= WSPR....

73s
Roger G3XBM


2009/12/7 Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
Roger,

I have been listeing but only heard GW3UEP on 501.5
I will give it another try at 21:30 UTC

73, Rik =A0ON7YD - OR7T

PS: can you preeced your CQ by a 10 sec carrier or so? That would allow me= to locate you with Argo.





Quoting Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com>:

I'm calling CQ on ~501.8kHz but getting no responses as yet....

73s
Roger G3XBM

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--0003255547661f7436047a2a6390-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (rly-dd04.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.151]) by air-dd09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD093-b714b2659993bf; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:28:57 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD043-b714b2659993bf; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:28:26 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKCnP-0003bO-LA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:25:11 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKCnP-0003bF-4E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:25:11 +0000 Received: from psmtp31.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.33]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKCoW-0003Rp-S3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:26:23 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp31.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KUN00JWPEVQCL@psmtp31.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:26:15 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:26:09 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: ossi.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_3SJA3NjK+nbENnuH/mFIZg)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --Boundary_(ID_3SJA3NjK+nbENnuH/mFIZg) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_0m9uURJCeFvl+RlwYfLsAQ)" --Boundary_(ID_0m9uURJCeFvl+RlwYfLsAQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT nice signal,Ossi henny cpm 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: ossi.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. --Boundary_(ID_0m9uURJCeFvl+RlwYfLsAQ) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
nice signal,Ossi
henny cpm
73s
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2009 21:47:38 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 8C28D18056; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 21:47:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from 2.65-176-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (2.65-176-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [91.176.65.2]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 21:47:37 +0100 Message-ID: <20091205214737.ab07d9ds00s44sso@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 21:47:37 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <59DC6AF25071476FA37B42E3896BC627@radiorummet> <00aa01ca7548$de12ce70$0201a8c0@Clemens04> <9AF4BA15A6D94C3483BB006F4E38040B@radiorummet> <001a01ca758f$b9fba3d0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 91.176.65.2 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: 500kHz RTTY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Gary, Grahem, I followed your RTTY QSO (+/- 20:40 UTC) with almost perfect copy from both station. Even after a CW station started calling CQ about 200Hz up copy was still good. RTTY 45dB/85Hz seems quite robust. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db07.mx.aol.com (rly-db07.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.82]) by air-db10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB102-ad84b1e3272157; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 06:03:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB076-ad84b1e3272157; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 06:03:18 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHxpj-0005bE-Ho for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:02:19 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHxpj-0005b5-0i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:02:19 +0000 Received: from web28105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.125]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHxpi-0006Yf-Bh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:02:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 74652 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Dec 2009 11:02:11 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1260270131; bh=SsoTI+4cZeHE9/XEPzw0ivE7a0AvyDikmGfqQUOkP10=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=S+3zBOzvN/X+EQ+lApaVwFy+/epqPTPKDm8pebgMo8MFMqb6qYToHSXzPh7q38BxQAqkQ97ygN7KWgWYXx0i7krfin9wWVuEwcwGcntpeg8o1er0lpm4jPpcXat/8Kqx/ethNvC+g2mWQ4FIhVxOw+bxpwUKd2zZ8EvW3hbYxJE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ll23Ag/Uqx5//v99Q5CSow+u95CGAkLhPAXFxFWnjp3uHM3Oe5i7vSt1JUdoSxDE7kEsfoXBhWnqPTJTSI7kGi7vAwfViNSC6FICXNnZl9Ny+Nhh5IMlv3HyvX+a9bPHsFyXZ2pxHzt7mrxUha7TfbYXIHpZUv/4UE7ukLWQ1Bc=; Message-ID: <915828.74407.qm@web28105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: AgXHqQIVM1n_1CxLzlBo4ePkCwPWkUvCK_58O6NxcMsDJBoZKHQSLczaIJpsFMtl.0MHOzDhVyUXUBmcspuYMGy3.AZca0NJU5w8z9YLOhTpncOVfZT_5HPVuPhjaC8OQL9vEcEElXfRajj5Z5k51XrguUc9uoCyu_KwW5Vkp6_DJooQtjEDPFF_SQXyxrZfuaMvWnH0n3413Uotz0MDOG.WmlArHtkaQFuwo1c8RJGbExRR0trnMYasNNi7AVmHppu5m9TWRWcmRJSyVLGXEQ-- Received: from [86.130.68.56] by web28105.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 03:02:11 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 03:02:11 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <003501ca77e8$b926db90$0317aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: G7NKS RTTY beacon running on 501.5. 1 : 10 min cycles Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1944964359-1260270131=:74407" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,UPPERCASE_50_75 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d302.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-1944964359-1260270131=:74407 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0 Hi Jim =A0 IO92UB CQ RTTY TEST CQ RTTY TEST CQ RTTY 500 CQ RTTY 500 45BAUD 85HZ 501.5 KHZ 5 MIN RPT G7NKS G7NKS IO92UB IO92UB CQ RTTY TEST CQ RTTY TEST CQ RTTY 500 CQ RTTY 500 45BAUD 85HZ 501.5 KHZ 5 MIN RPT G7NKS G7NKS IO92UB IO92UB CQ RTTY TEST CQ RTTY TEST =A0 CQ RTTY 500 CQ RTTY 500 45BAUD 85HZ 501.5 KHZ 5 MIN RPT G7NKS G7NKS IO92UB IO92UB CQ RTTY TEST CQ RTTY TEST CQ RTTY 500 CQ RTTY 500 45BAUD 85HZ 501.5 KHZ 5 MIN RPT G7NKS G7NKS IO92UB IO92UB CQ RTTY TEST CQ RTTY TEST CQ RTTY 500 CQ RTTY 500 45BAUD 85HZ 501.5 KHZ 5 MIN RPT G7NKS G7NKS IO92UB IO92UB CQ RTTY TEST CQ RTTY TEST CQ RTTY 500 CQ RTTY 500 45BAUD 85HZ 501.5 KHZ 5 MIN RPT G7NKS G7NKS IO92UB IO92UB CQ RTTY TEST CQ RTTY TEST =A0 =A0 73 petefmt =A0 --- On Tue, 8/12/09, James Cowburn wrote: From: James Cowburn Subject: LF: G7NKS RTTY beacon running on 501.5. 1 : 10 min cycles To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tuesday, 8 December, 2009, 9:27 Dear LF =A0 G7NKs is running a RTTY beacon on 501.5 =A0 Rprts welcome =A0 With best regards =A0 Jim =A0 =A0 =20 --0-1944964359-1260270131=:74407 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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--- On Tue, 8/12/09, James Cowburn = <james.cowburn@virgin.net> wrote:

From: James Cowburn <james.cowburn@virgin.n= et>
Subject: LF: G7NKS RTTY beacon running on 501.5. 1 : 10 min cycl= es
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Tuesday, 8 December, 2009,= 9:27

Dear LF

 

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Rprts welcome

 

With best regards

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=20 --0-1944964359-1260270131=:74407-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.80]) by air-dd10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD101-86104b3a89aa281; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:58:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 678BE380000FD; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:58:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPl0c-0001NN-Ls for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:57:46 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPl0c-0001NE-3e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:57:46 +0000 Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.238]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPl0a-0002uQ-2E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:57:46 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsQEAFYXOktcG7K4/2dsb2JhbACNOwaOWLkwhDEE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,470,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="262918879" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.27.178.184]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2009 22:57:34 +0000 Message-ID: <005701ca88da$4eb82720$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:57:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: WE2XGR/2 WE2XGR/6 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0053_01CA88DA.41515DE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40504b3a89a97f66 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01CA88DA.41515DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable bOTH GOOD SIGNALS ON 507.3 CW, solid copy here at 2255utc mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01CA88DA.41515DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
bOTH GOOD SIGNALS ON 507.3 CW, solid= copy here at=20 2255utc
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------=_NextPart_000_0053_01CA88DA.41515DE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc12.mx.aol.com (rly-mc12.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.96]) by air-mc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC081-dae4b2b4d621e5; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 04:37:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC126-dae4b2b4d621e5; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 04:37:41 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLZD3-0008FK-8h for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:33:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLZD2-0008FB-PI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:33:16 +0000 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.155]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLZFk-0002GD-Lb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:36:06 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 16so1423820fgg.10 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 01:36:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=WMTMl8KL4WedijoVo9D9l10wVPCmzlkWkgCt/KSm3ko=; b=LUeNlZq6X/n1Nnk+2XwzKb6TMVix3EQIUgHPI/IPYxwvpknXJwkUJD+/6s222xCrjr 0iqpt/kYF0tObqre7MfR9ctFfe3aW8DquzLr43apJVyu4SbQECYzMjj+dmOGvTeha80U 5NtXFKEH8L3v007vkrscVCJ8oexoacpeUbjvU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=TexmY/o0SdPrwFwuPiZkGD4DI5M/qF9pFvWw2E+9u6gnbldoA/u3D6HA2nEbs16Uzq m1xKP6IIKsIRCmiy1fcmAI2PGqX5WAkh8qb7Wdb4d9n1xfPVzcZtrvaei/Hy/ZKuoKZi DrUnzDdtF5lzRxps3evxjpj7TwsnMdLZZ1EMk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.148.12 with SMTP id d12mr365248hbb.152.1261128993332; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 01:36:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <000f01ca7fc2$c666f6a0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> References: <1542517694@web.de> <6F962616C1CC4C1B844AF099CB1BB55D@lindavideo> <000f01ca7fc2$c666f6a0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:36:33 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m253.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Just yet-another case of a poor soul being taken over by the Health and Safety Police. Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, has been declared politically correct and contains no substances considered to be a hazard to health. It may, however, contribute to dissolving the polecaps. 2009/12/18 mal hamilton : > Radio Amateurs BEWARE - Appliance Operators DO NOT TOUCH > > G3KEV > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 10:43 AM > Subject: LF: Re: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX > signals > > >> Optical fibres are fine for transmission and remove all the problems of >> interference and cross talk at a stroke, but please be careful and obse= rve >> optical safety precautions when using lasers and other light sources.= I >> worked on optical systems for many years during my time with BT, and > optical >> safety took priority over every thing else. All optical fibres need to > have >> a perfect cleave on the ends, and the connectors =A0be absolutely clean= , if >> you are not launching into an optical connector then alignment will be= a >> problem, similarly at the receive end. >> >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md06.mx.aol.com (rly-md06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.144]) by air-md08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD082-90c4b16c65b272; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:56:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD064-90c4b16c65b272; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:56:13 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFvI1-0007Lr-58 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:55:05 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFvI0-0007Li-BL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:55:04 +0000 Received: from mail14.ssmb.com ([192.193.221.107] helo=mail.citigroup.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFvHz-0007zr-GO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:55:04 +0000 Received: from imbhub-mw01.nam.nsroot.net ([159.17.94.188]) by imbaspam-ss07.namdmz.dmzroot.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/SSMB_EXT/ev: 24737 $) with ESMTP id nB2Jss9B015398 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:54:55 GMT Received: from exlniht01.eur.nsroot.net (exlniht01.eur.nsroot.net [169.186.207.97]) by imbhub-mw01.nam.nsroot.net (Switch-3.4.1/Switch-3.4.0) with ESMTP id nB2Jrkox011396 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:54:53 GMT Received: from exlnht01.eur.nsroot.net (169.182.192.16) by exlniht01.eur.nsroot.net (169.186.207.97) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.375.2; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:54:02 +0000 Received: from exlnmb06.eur.nsroot.net ([169.186.207.105]) by exlnht01.eur.nsroot.net ([169.182.192.16]) with mapi; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:54:02 +0000 From: "Scholz, Marco " To: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org'" Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:54:00 +0000 Thread-Topic: OE3GHB on 137KHz Thread-Index: AcpziTFoPqUe/V1iQf6A2894K9trMw== Message-ID: <254102CCC310104CA9DA9DA31EBD03CE02CEB57D58@exlnmb06.eur.nsroot.net> Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB x-wiganss: 01000000010017exlnht01.eur.nsroot.net ID0044<254102CCC310104CA9DA9DA31EBD03CE02CEB57D58@exlnmb06.eur.nsroot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 169.175.16.155 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: OE3GHB on 137KHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) SGVsbG8sDQpHb29kIGNvcHkgb2YgT0UzR0hCIGFyb3VuZCAxMzcuNzEyS0h6Lg0KV2VhayBjb3B5 IG9mIE1pa2UsIFhEViBvbiAxMzYuMzEwS0h6Lg0KDQp2eTczDQpNYXJjbw0KREQ3UEMsIEpONDlh eA0KRlQ4NTcsUHJlYW1wIGFuZCBNaW5pd2hpcA0K From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (rly-dc09.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.38]) by air-dc09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC094-b424b3834c3ef; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 23:32:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC096-b424b3834c3ef; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 23:32:04 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NP7Fh-0003vO-Gx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 04:30:41 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NP7Fh-0003vF-53 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 04:30:41 +0000 Received: from msa-k1.u-netsurf.ne.jp ([202.233.11.14]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp>) id 1NP7Fe-0000r0-Hp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 04:30:41 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.5] (d25.HkanagawaFL59.vectant.ne.jp [122.103.154.25]) by msa-k1.u-netsurf.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47EA934DB1 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:30:32 +0900 (JST) From: Rick Wakatori <7l1rll@dp.u-netsurf.ne.jp> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <5BA37E0D20C445E8B9DF2E3479E216D2@AGB> References: <20091226.144128.11516.4.cw4ever4@juno.com> <007601ca86d3$2b3670d0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> <00a101ca86d7$5998fed0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> <5BA37E0D20C445E8B9DF2E3479E216D2@AGB> Organization: RLL Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:30:33 +0900 Message-Id: <1261974633.6401.9.camel@vaio3rd> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beacon & WSPR 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Graham - G8FZK, Bob - W1XP, Rik - ON7YD, Andy - G4JNT, Laurence - KL1X Thank you all for a kind advice. I am not sure which stations signal was. I am trying to hear 502400Hz as a dial frequency using WSPR 1.12 now. But i'll try to switch to WSPR 2.0 soon. 73 Rick -- -.. . --... .-.. .---- .-. .-.. .-.. .-.-. 7L1RLL under ubuntu/Linux in Kawasaki,Japan(JP) URL=http://www1.u-netsurf.ne.jp/~7l1rll/radio.html -..--- -.- .-.. ..-.. --. --. ...- .-... ...-. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db10.mx.aol.com (rly-db10.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.85]) by air-db10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB101-aeb4b2107e1125; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:38:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB101-aeb4b2107e1125; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:38:27 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIk8l-0002kX-5A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:37:11 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIk8k-0002kO-3v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:37:10 +0000 Received: from nina.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.76]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIk8i-0000uM-G4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:37:10 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by nina.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nBAEb1WE021304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:07:01 -0330 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:07:01 -0330 (NST) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <903410816.1260409618.167111552.23497@mcgi29.rambler.ru> Message-ID: References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <57a24ca70912091153iaa6a489ia1a35bc98f56233a@mail.gmail.com> <903410816.1260409618.167111552.23497@mcgi29.rambler.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: 507.77 kHz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Roman, It was CW. It will be on again tonight. 73 es gl Joe VO1NA On Thu, 10 Dec 2009, Roman RW3ADB wrote: > CW or QRSS, Joe? > > * jcraig@mun.ca [Wed, 9 Dec 2009 17:43:24 -0330 (NST)]: >> VX9MRC is sending a 'ceremonial' transmission until 2300 and again >> at 0100 following the DDH47 transmissions on 147.3 kHz. Reports most >> welcomed! >> >> 73 >> Joe VO1NA >> >> > > > > > -- > Roman RW3ADB. > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd10.mx.aol.com (rly-dd10.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.157]) by air-dd03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD033-ba04b36ab6878; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:34:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD102-ba04b36ab6878; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:33:46 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOh3U-0007rw-1W for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 00:32:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOh3T-0007rn-7A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 00:32:19 +0000 Received: from web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.130]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOh3R-0000Wb-5B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 00:32:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 2499 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Dec 2009 00:32:11 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1261873931; bh=tSaSmoGWcoOcKdz7USyD8EyCs2Nvwr/+M4zUS5JPL0c=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=n8aPZu2BD4TmXamxdH31ufLGZ8NFaaTIqbQc9TCk4VXrZkWc/SmZCBiTfxZmWLvaBCbuWlngCZ5DbPvOIfdaz9UcURBrdGDUPUw11kJLSgKCWonZ7ZAATl1kZXAXJLQKUKxCWwNa1eSGDw+mIeRGTvc78yFPkXrEyMsr1fscIMY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=siz0BB3AxOxAKpt5wK1vGSYSxWh/F9umlwDMNXdFjVgguT0C9IluX7TnMSMqlNGgj4sk2SJ3K0A2zOUI9lmrcR5CQb0xW559BskS3FZcY/XYEe97Q5EIxWXc8tKil+oKNsP0rllHxbwJBE0pET7+yw0dE1jSVhcY6mBHSutOInU=; Message-ID: <80578.2091.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Az46aaQVM1nSiwHZJEuwqIgpbfFiSVysztVt63_ypodctzWbXKF0IpvBv2722z0CkahMDey7XDcWize93AtP7JWgOk1rwmW3r9fHRxs7DEM1I33_pZI5vvwWWIqdC0cT1Nx4xa8QpLnWPzb7oD4wmHjclsWzTb57adJYCxy.0D__yudA4mZ6hVngAL2TLou2uuiZxidPVAaQmtrwVn1vpZJhbdgqHW.ax6Q6.JusnUHCs2syJKwTOYpnYLDK_MGvQD0ssARwCzuvNkAdrr0iKEG3pLfnMa8iH.Bhoh7ZE2GjoOigMIYVRcQ391oaywvGItdLblzzAF0- Received: from [81.131.22.54] by web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 00:32:10 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 00:32:10 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AD02@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2014615444-1261873930=:2091" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_TABLE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d281.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --0-2014615444-1261873930=:2091 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stephan yes the aerialls will be very close compared with the wavelengt= h so they will interact particularly is tuned. We did some measurements ar= Finbar's location several years ago http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/aecouple.htm=20 The interaction was measured on an antenna=C2=A0 RF bridge, and demonstrat= es the coupling between two wires. Best Wishes Alan G3NYK --- On Sat, 26/12/09, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer = wrote: From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer Subject: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Saturday, 26 December, 2009, 18:15 =20 =20 Dear Lowfers,=20 Yesterday i saw the extreme influence of my 100m vertical tx antenna to the small acti= ve antenna. Now I have some ideas how to avoid that and would be thankful for= any comments and hints. During the QSOs there was much QSB in the RX signals, just as if someone is playing with= the AF-volume. First I thought it is caused by a loose contact in the Converte= r or in the fiber optic cable but later I found, that it was caused by the angl= e of the tx antenna to ground (Wind was good but with some QSB ;-) ). In my last QSO with IK1HSS I disconnected the TX wire from the loading coil and than, the whole signal was almost gone (when choosing =E2=80=9Cvisual mode LOW=E2=80= =9D at the argo monitor). Switching to =E2=80=9Cvisual mode HIGH=E2=80=9D and inc= reasing the AF a little bit gave almost the same QRM lines by DFC39 (vy strong yesterday). Now, the SNR was much better than before!=20 In the following pic you can get a impression of the dimension of the influence= of the TX ant (The RX ant is isolated to the rest of the rig by an optic fiber ca= ble and battery supply, so =E2=80=9Cjust=E2=80=9D coupled by the E field to th= e TX ant): In the left part the TX wire was disconnected from the coil and mode was HIGH In the middle part I connected the wire to the loading coil In the right part I switched to the LOW mode! I am sure that the TX ant does not only increase the QRM but also the wanted signal. So= the benefit will not be so strong than between left and right part in the pic.= But the SNR increases significantly, as I saw in the QSO with IK1HSS. So a disconnection of the TX wire makes sense. What are the alternatives?=20 Placing the RX ant apart from the TX ant to reduce the influence? I think with a 100m ver= tical I can forget that unless I do not want to spend 100s of meters of RX cable= ;-) Bringing the ant out of resonance? That is the one and only solution I think. Any bette= r ideas?=20 I could disconnect the loading coil at the lower end to ground. That could be done= with a relay (My RX/TX sequencer provides an output =E2=80=9C12V @ RX=E2=80=9D= that could directly be used for this). Probably there will be a residual coupli= ng capacity of the coil to ground and the relay contacts and so on, say 30pF= but since my ant C is 580pF that would be quite enough for deadjusting, I hope= so. As I thought about protecting the contacts and the PA in the case that there will be a mistake (contacts have to be closed without a voltage at the relay) in the circuit, i thought some Varistors or even better some antiparallel diodes= could be a good choice. That brought me to the idea that a power diode out of a= SMPS would easyly handle the antenna current with fast enough switching times. So do you think just two antiparallel diodes (or perhaps 2x2, 2 in series, and perhaps wit= h an additional 10=E2=80=A6100k Resistor parallel) without a relay could be sui= table to solve the RX TX ant influence problem? Could the TX signal distortion= be neglected? When the voltage across the diodes (RX case) is less than the forward volt= age, do the diodes act as an open contact, just with a few pF reverse capacity?= I think so but I don=E2=80=99t know much about the RX voltages that are give= n by such an antenna. There will be some experiments=E2=80=A6 J Comments welcome ;-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC =20 --0-2014615444-1261873930=:2091 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="0-52067181-1261873930=:2091" --0-52067181-1261873930=:2091 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Stephan yes the aerialls will be very cl= ose compared with the wavelength so they will interact particularly is tun= ed. We did some measurements ar Finbar's location several years ago
htt= p://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/aecouple.htm

The interaction= was measured on an antenna  RF bridge, and demonstrates the coupling= between two wires.

Best Wishes
Alan G3NYK

--- On Sat,= 26/12/09, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer <schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de>= wrote:

From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer <= ;schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de>
Subject: LF: Influence of a TX antenn= a to a small rx antenna
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Satur= day, 26 December, 2009, 18:15

=20 =20

Dear Lowfers,

Yesterday i saw the extreme influence of my 100m vertical tx antenna to the small acti= ve antenna. Now I have some ideas how to avoid that and would be thankful for= any comments and hints.

During the QSOs there was much QSB in the RX signals, just as if someone is playing with= the AF-volume. First I thought it is caused by a loose contact in the Converte= r or in the fiber optic cable but later I found, that it was caused by the angl= e of the tx antenna to ground (Wind was good but with some QSB ;-) ).

In my last QSO with IK1HSS I disconnected the TX wire from the loading coil and than, the whole signal was almost gone (when choosing =E2=80=9Cvisual mode LOW=E2=80= =9D at the argo monitor). Switching to =E2=80=9Cvisual mode HIGH=E2=80=9D and inc= reasing the AF a little bit gave almost the same QRM lines by DFC39 (vy strong yesterday). Now, the SNR was much better than before!

In the following pic you can get a impression of the dimension of the influence= of the TX ant (The RX ant is isolated to the rest of the rig by an optic fiber ca= ble and battery supply, so =E2=80=9Cjust=E2=80=9D coupled by the E field to th= e TX ant):

In the left part the TX wire was disconnected from the coil and mode was HIGH

In the middle part I connected the wire to the loading coil

In the right part I switched to the LOW mode!

I am sure that the TX ant does not only increase the QRM but also the wanted signal. So= the benefit will not be so strong than between left and right part in the pic.= But the SNR increases significantly, as I saw in the QSO with IK1HSS. So a disconnection of the TX wire makes sense.

What are the alternatives?

Placing the RX ant apart from the TX ant to reduce the influence? I think with a 100m ver= tical I can forget that unless I do not want to spend 100s of meters of RX cable= ;-)

Bringing the ant out of resonance? That is the one and only solution I think. Any bette= r ideas?

I could disconnect the loading coil at the lower end to ground. That could be done= with a relay (My RX/TX sequencer provides an output =E2=80=9C12V @ RX=E2=80=9D= that could directly be used for this). Probably there will be a residual coupli= ng capacity of the coil to ground and the relay contacts and so on, say 30pF= but since my ant C is 580pF that would be quite enough for deadjusting, I hope= so.

As I thought about protecting the contacts and the PA in the case that there will be a mistake (contacts have to be closed without a voltage at the relay) in the circuit, i thought some Varistors or even better some antiparallel diodes= could be a good choice. That brought me to the idea that a power diode out of a= SMPS would easyly handle the antenna current with fast enough switching times.<= /span>

So do you think just two antiparallel diodes (or perhaps 2x2, 2 in series, and perhaps wit= h an additional 10=E2=80=A6100k Resistor parallel) without a relay could be sui= table to solve the RX TX ant influence problem? Could the TX signal distortion= be neglected? When the voltage across the diodes (RX case) is less than the forward volt= age, do the diodes act as an open contact, just with a few pF reverse capacity?= I think so but I don=E2=80=99t know much about the RX voltages that are give= n by such an antenna. There will be some experiments=E2=80=A6 J

Comments welcome ;-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC

=20
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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA74EA.C1701D80" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA74EA.C1701D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, Can anyone tell me who was sending MCP on approx. 136.518kHz this morn= ing? Thanks. Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA74EA.C1701D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All,
Can anyone tell me who was sending MC= P on approx.=20 136.518kHz this morning? Thanks.
Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable,=20 Kent.
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA74EA.C1701D80-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de10.mx.aol.com (rly-de10.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.146]) by air-de08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE083-50c4b2025c931e; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:34:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE107-50c4b2025c931e; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:33:46 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIV5P-0005kM-Kz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:32:43 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIV5P-0005kD-3D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:32:43 +0000 Received: from web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.128]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIV5M-0003on-C3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:32:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 29865 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Dec 2009 22:32:35 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1260397955; bh=j8pid9X3x0qXck397ghXFZpZ5C6FYChcuR+0bsGqe34=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nBUTPmopsL7pA7Eq+m7fGCNR8Ed8coY2dka7NxDtkksd9lckmMGTrKViQ9cs3KBR99P6cpoelY1YameJYY9m4N0Cwb7BjldAONcb1pAwoyMXzyaBZ/rUWiLUP4YG85G/bRxvpEaKU63rEE9XNCa7EOzq+srLwIwRjJc5iwkYDB0= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QO9wOepIZvUcg0Gf38nvfMs3FS0BlOIBEJGzMvXjwuqW1FZQWZHxjdRieR/isyOA+21swJD7VpRFXobBToeJ1D4qxgnaR2554ZCTIaqnmW+roe6U75UFTuxmTMa5MAqMp3RLgVPim3ACyTeAPd2SkeimxDevRdUO/muPf5xmWKc=; Message-ID: <20250.29213.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: aUfaOF4VM1kor8gFYf3i50ANr1JUTuKYq1n5OVqtlf4aAV5qS38eKmdIGV_g6Lzhyvw370vUb7zi0KEtHfryFYvT4iKiBVKLX.P2lVb3hTucOkoFAmg3o2_BugT0DkU0FOX5DDQ1fT7WJo63VrBOoFHwpo0EZPQPibz0vfxY7tu87ZU.mFYy6qHyxMwEbPlrrQAXx5OddSkYSguvigRROv5cU3XMHtfgoIDNcMnkVhBxMQhl.y6HJu5R0AgVHvF6UyYfDeXSZ9uF9CSelRwdcNFhCB6wkbU7QrE6q9BytHFSDF7us5VWo4RMAM__xOXUWfc- Received: from [81.131.66.82] by web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:32:34 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 22:32:34 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <510B0611943F48E1975A8F833B63FBD5@AGB> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<< Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m263.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass Sounds good Roger and Graham... what it the stability like the problem wit= h transverters/upconverters normally is that while ok for some modes they= are often not stable enough for the very weak signal modes. These are mo= des where you need to know the frequency of a station very accurately beca= use you will not hear it, or it will only pop above the noise for short pe= riods. Alan G3NYK --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Graham wrote: > From: Graham > Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<< > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 22:13 >=20 >=20 > =20 > =20 >=20 >=20 > =20 > All=20 > =20 > This latest=20 > addition to the =20 > HF / MF tx convertor opens the door > to data =20 > communications on 500 ... ranging from > 'all' the K1JT systems=20 > through to the single carrier=20 > multi tone > systems of =20 > MFSK , DOMINO and THOR .. even > the almost=20 > forgotten Amtor-arq and Packtor modes , anyone > still have=20 > there pk232 =20 > =20 > listed are=20 > data modes that may be used with > non-linear systems :-=20 >=20 > =20 > http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/meat-grinder-comms > =20 > G..=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: Roger > Lapthorn=20 > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 12:20 AM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >=20 >=20 > Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX > transverter >=20 > Dear All, >=20 > My WSPR tx up-converter has now been modified to=20 > a full TX/RX tranverter suitable for WSPR, QRSS and > CW in a=20 > very simple way, making use of the FT817 split > facility which allows you=20 > to RX on 500kHz and TX on 28MHz. By adding a series LC > between the TX PA and the=20 > FT817 input/output RF connection (with back-to-back diodes > at the L and C=20 > junction, this allows "pass through" from the > 500kHz ATU to the FT817 on RX=20 > (tuned to 500kHz). On TX, the diodes conduct and the C part > is in parallel with=20 > the first cap in the TX low pass filter. This scheme is now > working really well=20 > with good RX sensitivity and no change in TX power out. >=20 > Schematic of the=20 > transverter is on my blog at http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > . My=20 > attempt to add it as an attachment to an email here earlier > failed. >=20 > This more or less concludes my 500kHz experimenting, apart > from=20 > getting a few more CW QSOs in the log. It's been great > fun all the way with lots=20 > of support from folks here. I was going to try 136kHz, but > think I will now give=20 > this a miss for now. >=20 > 73s > Roger G3XBM > --=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------------- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > G3XBM =20 > GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-md03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-md03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.87]) by air-db04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB044-86984b3a71bb1b5; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:16:43 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-md03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8044338000087; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:16:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPjPB-0000sv-HP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 21:15:01 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPjPB-0000sm-3k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 21:15:01 +0000 Received: from mailout.toya.net.pl ([217.113.224.27] ident=postfix) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPjP9-0002UN-7F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 21:15:01 +0000 Received: from mail.toya.net.pl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BE892000005C for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:14:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (unknown [10.11.152.246]) (Authenticated sender: unimlyn) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7818B20000045 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:14:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B3A7150.6070802@toya.net.pl> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:14:56 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Piotr_M=B3ynarski?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1BCA5076F8C144B0957BD8853BEA599A@LAPTOP> In-Reply-To: X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Stations on 505kHz last night. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010102050401040606030001" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60574b3a71ba385d X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------010102050401040606030001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lubos OK2BVG wrote: > Hello Michael, LF! > OK, DI2AM is on 505.180kHz. I don=B4t know, who is on 505,030kHz, but my= =20 > beacon OK0EMW is on 505,060kHz. It transmit a text: > "Beacon OK0EMW JN88KS" . These letters "KS" might be "XS", which you=20 > listened. You can try to listen my beacon signal next night. > 73! > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS Hi Lubos , LF i've switched on my grabber on 505 khz=20 http://www.toya.net.pl/~mlynarski it will be active till 2300-2330 UTC this evening your signal is very strong, audible ; also DI2AG is visible yours, Piotr, sq7mpj qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ --------------010102050401040606030001 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lubos OK2BVG wrote:
Hello Michael, LF!
OK, DI2AM is on 505.180kHz. I don=B4t know, who is on 505,030kHz, but my beacon OK0EMW is on 505,060kHz. It transmit a text:
"Beacon OK0EMW JN88KS" . These letters "KS" might be "XS", which you listened.=A0 You can try to listen my beacon signal next night.
73!
Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
Hi Lubos , LF
i've switched on my grabber on 505 khz=A0
=A0=A0 http://www.toya.net.pl/~mlynarski
it will=A0 be active till 2300-2330=A0 UTC this evening
your signal is very strong, audible ;=A0 also DI2AG is visible

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 yours, Piotr, sq7mpj

qth: Lodz /jo91rs/
--------------010102050401040606030001-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (rly-mc03.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.87]) by air-mc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC012-d634b1e94de187; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 13:03:14 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC033-d634b1e94de187; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 13:03:12 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NI4NP-0006S4-9X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:01:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NI4NO-0006Rv-V3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:01:30 +0000 Received: from smtpa1.mediabeam.com ([194.25.41.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NI4NO-00063M-70 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:01:30 +0000 Received: from r300-1 (balancer4.mediabeam.com [194.25.41.40]) by smtpa1.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nB8I1OUO010398 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:01:24 +0100 From: "Uwe Jannsen" To: Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:01:18 Message-ID: <02EC07D90C081201151C6@kabelmail.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-PRIORITY: 3 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,INVALID_DATE=1.76 Subject: LF: Y , AGC and ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi all, pse see http://dj8wx-dl.de/capt74a (receive aerial =3D TX aerial) regards Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (rly-dd05.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.152]) by air-dd04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD041-b794b179cf145; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:12:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD053-b794b179cf145; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:11:46 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NG9aC-0001CD-LP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:10:48 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NG9aC-0001C4-41 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:10:48 +0000 Received: from smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NG9aA-0003x2-PI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:10:48 +0000 Received: from bb-87-82-0-148.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.0.148] helo=[192.168.0.3]) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NG9aA-0009Bg-Bt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:10:46 +0000 Message-ID: <4B179D08.3030706@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:12:08 +0000 From: Peter Dodd User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <1259777260.4b16acec27aa8@imp.netikka.net> In-Reply-To: <1259777260.4b16acec27aa8@imp.netikka.net> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: LF, reducing common-mode noise Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) A couple of weeks ago I asked how can one measure the mu of ferrite rings. I received very good information via this reflector for which I would like to thank those who contributed. I was experimenting with various common-mode chokes, particularly on how to measure their characteristics using the AIM 4170. I was advised that the capacitance of the measuring setup might make the measurements invalid. I introduced various values of capacitance to measure these effects and by extrapolation concluded that my measurement method was acceptable. Inserting large values of capacitance across the common mode choke destroyed its characteristic as a choke and turned it into a selective tuned circuit. This arrangement appears to reduce common-mode noise at the frequency to which it is tuned but is only effective at that frequency. The main advantage is that you don't need such large values of inductance. Regards Peter, G3LDO Paul-Henrik wrote: > Hello Stefan, LF > > I can not overemphasize the possible need to keep the feedline "clean" and free > of RFI that may otherwise make it's way to any active whip antenna. > > My first attempts at deploying the PA0RDT Mini-Whip here were unsuccessful and > disappointing due to the fact that some of the RFI I tried to avoid was > conducted from the shack out to the antenna along the coax. This may among > other things depend on what kind of radio the antenna is connected to. > > If in doubt, my advice is to use one common mode choke where the coax leaves the > house and to ground the coax braid just behind it using an independent > earth-stake and then further a second common-mode choke just before the > feedline goes vertically up to the antenna. > > For common mode chokes I use large high-mu ferrite rings that can take 20 turns > of RG-58 or up to 45 turns of RG-174 but smaller rings can be used with RG-174. > There is a picture here of the first test-choke I used for tracking down my > noise: http://peditio.net/utility/Attachments/choke_sml.jpg > > This may be "overkill" in most installations but I'm sure some users can gain > from these extra measures just as I did. > > > > BR > > Paul-Henrik, OH1LSQ > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (rly-dg09.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.93]) by air-dg07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG074-5ee4b198eb8144; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:35:39 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG093-5ee4b198eb8144; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:35:38 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGgjM-0002zN-Mi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:34:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGgjM-0002zE-81 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:34:28 +0000 Received: from psmtp12.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.24]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGgjL-0007w5-Jo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:34:28 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp12.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KU5001WFG17X8@psmtp12.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 23:34:19 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 23:34:23 +0100 From: henny van elst To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000d01ca74fb$f884b360$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <002001ca7508$26af20c0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Whi is MCP? Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi,Andrey,LF, It was me,pa3cpm,henny best 73s ---- Original Message ----- From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 6:35 PM Subject: LF: Re: Whi is MCP? > Hello Chris, > Probably, "CPM"? It could be Henny PA3CPM. > > 73 Andrey > > > Thanks Mal, what I want to know is who was transmitting 'MCP' in QRSS on > approx. 136.518kHz this morning. Nobody seems to know. > How are you supposed to find out who these abbreviated callsigns are? > Maybe there should be/is a database somewhere?? > Sri the 'Whi' in my subject should have been 'Who'. > Chris, G4AYT. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mal hamilton > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:08 PM > Subject: LF: Re: Whi is MCP? > > > Chris > All the action every nite is around 137.7 on QRS 3 normally also DFCW and > some CW further down the band. > Several stns active most nites, lately HB9, OE, OH, EW6, SP and RU etc > If u want a QSO look in this area. I am also active especially if there > is DX about. > mal/g3lev > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris > To: RSGB LF Group > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:04 PM > Subject: LF: Whi is MCP? > > > Hi All, > Can anyone tell me who was sending MCP on approx. 136.518kHz this > morning? Thanks. > Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.93/2544 - Release Date: 12/04/09 07:32:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de10.mx.aol.com (rly-de10.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.146]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE072-5064b1aacb1111; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 13:55:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE101-5064b1aacb1111; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 13:55:46 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGzlx-0007Q5-Ef for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 18:54:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGzlx-0007Pw-18 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 18:54:25 +0000 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGzlw-0004UL-90 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 18:54:25 +0000 thread-index: Acp13Fh+jaeZ4XsfTXGX7oqkXFGj5Q== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 X-SPAM-FLAG:NO Received: from ([127.0.0.1]) with MailEnable ESMTP; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 18:54:16 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Gus" To: References: <59DC6AF25071476FA37B42E3896BC627@radiorummet> <00aa01ca7548$de12ce70$0201a8c0@Clemens04> <9AF4BA15A6D94C3483BB006F4E38040B@radiorummet> <001a01ca758f$b9fba3d0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> In-Reply-To: <001a01ca758f$b9fba3d0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 19:54:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-CHK: uvtcmail.se X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=BEEN_TURNED_DOWN, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Andrey, Clemens and LF, thanks for the reports and info. It is interesting to discover that long-range reception at very low power! I only use the drive without the power amplifier stage. Also this evening I will run WSPR beacon, QRG 137.650 kHz (Dial 136.150 kHz). Power is the same as yesterday about 50 mW erp. Grateful for all the reports which may be reported on, www.sm6bhz.com 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 10:45 AM Subject: LF: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz > Hello Gus, Clemens, LF, > > 0008 -28 0.9 0.137650 SM6BHZ JO57 17 > 0024 -28 0.9 0.137650 SM6BHZ JO57 17 > 0028 -28 0.9 0.137650 SM6BHZ JO57 17 > > I used WSPR 2.0. > Dial 135.620, Rx BFO 2030 Hz - it really works. > > 73 Andrey > > > Hi Clemens, > > thanks for your info and print my WSPR formerly of 137 kHz. > Not bad considering the low power used! > Luke just wants attention :-) > I have now closed the transmitter for the night. > > Best 73 de Gus SM6BHZ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Clemens Paul > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 2:17 AM > Subject: LF: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz > > > Hi GUs, > > see below: > > 2118 8 0.4 136.151499 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 > 2138 9 0.6 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 > 2144 8 0.7 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 > 2218 7 0.6 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 > 2222 8 0.7 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 > 2226 9 0.8 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 > > As my internert connection has been broken during the last hours no data > upload > has taken place. > Probably a few loggings are missing because I had to use my dipole for > receiving whis is periodically disturbed when our heater is is on. > My K9AY has been turned down this late afternoon by our three months old > labrador 'Luke'. > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > > > > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gus > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:55 PM > Subject: LF: WSPR on 137 kHz > > > Hello LF-group, > > this evening i will transmit, WSPR on 137.650 kHz 136.150 kHz dial. > Power abt 50 mW ERP. > Transmitter start at 16:00 GMT > All reports are welcome. > You can also log on, > > www.sm6bhz.com > > 73 de Gus SM6BHZ > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. > Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de > Version: 9.0.709 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.93/2544 - Ausgabedatum: > 12/04/09 08:32:00 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (rly-dc08.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.37]) by air-dc09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC094-b3c4b17fdf922a; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:06:02 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC088-b3c4b17fdf922a; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:05:46 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGG2V-000373-UG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:04:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGG2V-00036u-HC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:04:27 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGG2U-0007EJ-Gn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:04:27 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so1430012bwz.4 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:04:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=iBW5S8YEj+VlF1YEE4zUdAkrqp4qIDTvzqyxf/fiZP8=; b=szYKgSm01pOvkzIuaFNMBMVVV7AoHrboQpEHsDHfQAQvqbUp0zv1ssfuYqQCneFxpa K0o0EJ82U3IfTTfeGK3IJD/cNu4ruQnTtKQtjEE87P3MFfDxpnFuDsfDJs7VFPYj2Qi/ bEvEUJyHn2l8M5dbpttQHNwTW8RNrxKUFWNPE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=A9WAJwmoUhLYeRIsEaxr/3Vty6CK2gDeagYai22vue66JEMjI/wuVOoas77acZVZTS NgMOVBj+rPMwHMmPD4hp5cO7yBsgXVc+f6nEuzSrmdSICXuqLLmynf0xrc17hlHqv6xF DDPrjWfHDB/922dy9r1r5mHrzcpW1aTaK2j0o= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.16.85 with SMTP id n21mr1956877bka.140.1259863460022; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:04:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 18:04:19 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2640912031004h41c8eb67t8427d65670a634f2@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Skywave on 500kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0003255599ba0008f00479d6d294 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m242.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0003255599ba0008f00479d6d294 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In the evenings I'm surprised just how good my reports are from F6CNI some 418kms away near Paris. Last night my 1mW ERP was being received at 0dB S/N on WSPR and already he's given me -3dB again tonight. If signals are *this* strong by sky wave, how much further could I reasonably expect to get? SM6BHZ and GM4SLV have heard me (850-950kms), but can I (reasonably) expect much further? What is the typical attenuation on each ground reflection for multiple hops over water and over land? BTW, still not on 136kHz yet. 73s Roger G3XBM -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0003255599ba0008f00479d6d294 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In the evenings I'm surprised just how good my reports are from F6CNI= some 418kms away near Paris. Last night my 1mW ERP was being received at= 0dB S/N on WSPR and already he's given me -3dB again tonight.

= If signals are this strong by sky wave, how much further could I re= asonably expect to get? SM6BHZ and GM4SLV have heard me (850-950kms), but= can I (reasonably) expect much further?=A0 What is the typical attenuatio= n on each ground reflection for multiple hops over water and over land?
BTW, still not on 136kHz yet.

73s
Roger G3XBM

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G3XBM =A0= =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088
--0003255599ba0008f00479d6d294-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da04.mx.aol.com (rly-da04.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.78]) by air-da05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA051-a624b20277f41; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:41:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA042-a624b20277f41; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:41:04 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIVCe-0005tm-Im for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:40:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIVCe-0005td-7f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:40:12 +0000 Received: from mcgi74.rambler.ru ([81.19.67.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIVCd-0006Xp-1D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:40:12 +0000 Received: from [91.77.91.188] by mcgi74.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:40:09 +0300 From: Roman RW3ADB To: Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:40:09 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: Message-Id: <392758439.1260398409.48146488.79519@mcgi74.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (untone), http://mail.rambler.ru X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 147.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi LF! http://qrss.nm.ru/grabber.html Grabber started onto 147.3 kHz Roman * hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com [Wed, 9 Dec 2009 21:52:17 -0000]: > In pre test viewing from the DDH47 signal is good and decoding weather > at 50 baud 23Hz Shift "reverse" on the DigitalMaster 780 portion of Ham > radio delux. > > > RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY > CQ CQ CQ DE DDH47 DDH9 DDH8 > FREQUENCIES 147.3 KHZ 11039 KHZ 14467.3 KHZ > RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY > > etc > > China grabber will show graphical signal output until I have togoto > work. SAQ pre test was detectable last night, just. > > http://kl1x.com/screen2.html > > Laurence KL 1 X in BY3A China OM89UA -- Roman RW3ADB. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db10.mx.aol.com (rly-db10.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.85]) by air-db09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB092-af14b1fcd2e12d; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:16:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB107-af14b1fcd2e12d; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:15:45 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIPBE-0002rP-L2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:14:20 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIPBE-0002rG-4y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:14:20 +0000 Received: from mail.cz.gmc.net ([77.48.211.230]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIPBB-0000yz-OY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:14:20 +0000 Received: from Lenovo (192.168.100.32) by dove.gmc.net (192.168.40.18) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.1.393.1; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 17:14:10 +0100 Message-ID: <135E792448854F708A9745D2BD305468@gmc.net> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Petr_Mal=FD?= To: References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 17:14:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-EsetScannerBuild: 6185 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Well, I am not sure that it is a good news, in fact. So far only people that were able and willing to build their own TX's (Ropex First was not a hit, was it) were on the band. And the ham-spirit existed on the band. Something that I loved and admired most. I am sure some people will invest the money. It will be much easier for them to get on the band and therefore they will not appreciate the band as we did. Hopefully no one will start to produce the loading coils as well. At least something that the newcomers should manage. 73, Petr, OK1FIG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 4:30 PM Subject: LF: TX-2200A > Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 > Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver > muting. > Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! > > http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf > > > > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4673 (20091209) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4673 (20091209) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md06.mx.aol.com (rly-md06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.144]) by air-md03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD031-90e4b260f1a3a7; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 05:10:48 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD066-90e4b260f1a3a7; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 05:10:36 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NK7oZ-0000Dt-MF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:06:03 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NK7oY-0000Dj-4A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:06:02 +0000 Received: from psmtp12.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.24]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NK7pX-0000wE-7x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:07:05 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp12.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KUN008H603IQU@psmtp12.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:06:55 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:06:50 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <6330BF27F79446A0885847B11E8CDA69@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: OSSI 13-12.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ilcqrSvFw/5nyKAp+f51YQ)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --Boundary_(ID_ilcqrSvFw/5nyKAp+f51YQ) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_laE6V1EwD7SesWxPrgbipQ)" --Boundary_(ID_laE6V1EwD7SesWxPrgbipQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Ossi, strong again, best 73s henny cpm Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: OSSI 13-12.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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Hi Ossi,
strong again,
best 73s
henny cpm
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autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: LF radio equipment G3AQC SK Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-246368688-1260609858=:69443" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m233.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass --0-246368688-1260609858=:69443 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Peter. Could you please send me a list of these items, Where are they located? 73s. Ken M0KHW --- On Fri, 11/12/09, Peter Dodd wrote: From: Peter Dodd Subject: LF: LF radio equipment G3AQC SK To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Friday, 11 December, 2009, 22:32 G3SAQ SK It has been my sad duty to help the Laurie's family dismantle his radio st= ation. His LF radio equipment is for sale and comprises the Decca transmitter, po= wer supplies and an assortment of coils and selective level meters. For a full list email me direct. I regret I cannot undertake to ship any= of this equipment, it is a case of buyer collects. regards Peter, G3LDO --0-246368688-1260609858=:69443 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Peter.
Could you please send me a list= of these items, Where are they located?

73s.
Ken
M0KHW
--- On Fri, 11/12/09, Peter Dodd <g3ldo@ukonline.co.uk><= /b> wrote:

From: Peter Dodd <g3ldo@uko= nline.co.uk>
Subject: LF: LF radio equipment G3AQC SK
To: rsgb_lf= _group@blacksheep.org
Date: Friday, 11 December, 2009, 22:32

G3SAQ SK

It has been my sad duty to help the= Laurie's family dismantle his radio station.
His LF radio equipment is= for sale and comprises the Decca transmitter, power supplies and an assor= tment of coils and selective level meters.
For a full list email me dir= ect. I regret I cannot undertake to ship any of this equipment, it is a ca= se of buyer collects.

regards

Peter, G3LDO

--0-246368688-1260609858=:69443-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da04.mx.aol.com (rly-da04.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.78]) by air-da08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA083-a614b23e60b1d7; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:51:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA041-a614b23e60b1d7; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:50:52 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJX2J-0002Rt-0a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:49:47 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJX2I-0002Rk-Ku for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:49:46 +0000 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([195.4.92.90]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJX2O-00015S-J2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:49:53 +0000 Received: from [195.4.92.11] (helo=1.mx.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.70 #1) id 1NJX2N-0002zl-Sq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:49:51 +0100 Received: from g230094112.adsl.alicedsl.de ([92.230.94.112]:1371 helo=[192.168.0.100]) by 1.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #94) id 1NJX2N-0003jS-Fo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:49:51 +0100 Message-ID: <4B23E5CD.6090209@freenet.de> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:49:49 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Wolfgang_B=FCscher?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC1F@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B23B319.9080005@usa.net> <4B23C4B5.10102@freenet.de> <003e01ca7b4d$307ac190$3ab27cbc@ap6fnsa53r3k6h> In-Reply-To: <003e01ca7b4d$307ac190$3ab27cbc@ap6fnsa53r3k6h> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Japanese time&frequency station Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Marcin, At the very moment on VLF..LF : 22.1 kHz GQD (Anthorn), strong, 23.4 kHz DHO, extremely strong (my "VLF neighbour", hi) 24.0 NAA Cutler, USA, about 40 dB weaker than DHO but very cleary visible, 25.2 NML La Moure, USA, about 10 dB weaker than NAA but still visible around 30 kHz : hell of a noise from energy saving QRM generators, 37.5 kHz TFK from Iceland, strong, around 40 kHz : lots of noise again, almost masking NAU on 40.75 kHz, 45.9 NSY (US navy from Italy), very strong also, 51.95 GYW from Scotland, 53.4 TBG from Turkey with a RTTY-like sound (no MSK) plus a few 'unidentified' signals which don't look like MSK . 73, Wolf . Marcin schrieb: > Hello Wolf > Whats stations copy your monitor to range: 22-50kHz? > 73! Marcin SQ2BXI > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (rly-dc08.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.37]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC061-b384b17d7823dc; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:22:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC084-b384b17d7823dc; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:21:40 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGDTr-0002JB-NA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:20:31 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGDTr-0002J2-3k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:20:31 +0000 Received: from mail-ew0-f214.google.com ([209.85.219.214]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGDTp-00067B-C3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:20:31 +0000 Received: by ewy6 with SMTP id 6so1675519ewy.29 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:20:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=I0SRJmtNHgi/d245Bi5ZG0JTTU7wxf/59aAn8awSkY4=; b=HZdmqFr2hB2XLokaMeWQOGivZ4qMb3BwUlcWz4yercX/wR74cMr54qEjPkk7aUHeDb GG5ZnJMNAktyjz1PvnNiqdNpOZt/Ni7N+caOOlO/l3Z8kck5LaAVF70GMMb56UM+DSW4 c2kH/F/Dr5VMBAFKKC9FGOgEHUF13CPV8e5EI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=qCfMmLBZFszC3AB4uwut83A3/Hz8s1YaTV5gyo3+Esp2Dlae3A4RpturP870aKBglM 7lGcjHjhWBSM9br/SCbPXJKdneL5z6Prc52yMBwk1NjAiLyUB603pqk+Gxqrnn2KeYG3 Sjku23N3Kbl/rIn65nidqCQiZSb2ieEN9Y22A= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.110.9 with SMTP id l9mr1857497ebp.14.1259853623551; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:20:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <254102CCC310104CA9DA9DA31EBD03CE02CEB57D3F@exlnmb06.eur.nsroot.net> References: <254102CCC310104CA9DA9DA31EBD03CE02CEB57D3F@exlnmb06.eur.nsroot.net> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 16:20:23 +0100 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anton_B=E4rtschi?= To: "Scholz, Marco" , rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: Re: LF: Re: qso Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015173ff92eb367210479d48707 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d256.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0015173ff92eb367210479d48707 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hallo Marco Werde ab 20:00 MEZ in QRS3 CQ rufen und nach Dir Ausschau halten. Es w=FCr= de mich auch freuen, wenn's klappen w=FCrde. 73 de Toni, HB9ASB 2009/12/1 Scholz, Marco > Hallo Toni, > Ich werde am Freitag auch QRV sein. Wuerde mich ueber ein QSO mit dir > freuen. Waere fuer mich das erste nach HB, aber mein Setup ist recht kle= in. > Gruss, 73 > Marco, DD7PC > > ------------------------------ > *Von*: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org < > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> > *An*: Marcin ; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org < > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> > *Gesendet*: Tue Dec 01 19:03:24 2009 > *Betreff*: Re: LF: Re: qso > > Hello Marcin > Yes, we will try it again. If WX is good, I will be QRV Friday Evening, > probably allready from 19:00 til 23:00 UTC. > 73 de Toni > > 2009/11/30 Marcin > >> Hello Toni >> If you calling my I have QSO on DK8ND. I copied your twice transmiting= CQ. >> Maybe have qso next friday? >> 73! Marcin >> >> >> >> Hello Marcin >> I've seen your signal in QRS10. It was quite strong. I called you, but >> probably my signal was too weak. May be we can make a QSO next weekend. >> 73 de Toni, HB9ASB >> >> >> 2009/11/24 Anton B=E4rtschi >> >> Hello Marcin >> Yes, would be nice to make a first contact SP-HB9. As far as i know, it >> never took place. How abot this weekend, saturday or sunday? Have you= ever >> seen my signal? Should we try it in QRS3 or QRS10? >> 73 de Toni, HB9ASB >> >> >> 2009/11/23 Marcin >> >> Hello Toni >> Plise QSO on 136kHz. >> We have 1W EIRP and antenna 30m hight and 120m long. >> -- >> Vy 73! >> Marcin SQ2BXI >> (SP2KDS Team) >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Internetowi nie placa! Otworz Konto Direct. >> Kliknij >> http://link.interia.pl/f2448 >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Audi kilka tysiecy zlotych taniej? Przebieraj wsrod tysiecy ogloszen! >> Kliknij >>> http://link.interia.pl/f2424 >> >> > --0015173ff92eb367210479d48707 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hallo Marco
Werde ab 20:00 MEZ in QRS3 CQ rufen und nach Dir Ausschau= halten. Es w=FCrde mich auch freuen, wenn's klappen w=FCrde.
73 de= Toni, HB9ASB

2009/12/1 Scholz, Marco <marco.scholz@= citi.com>
Hallo Toni,
Ich werde am Freitag auch QRV sein. Wuerde mich ueber ein= QSO mit dir freuen. Waere fuer mich das erste nach HB, aber mein Setup is= t recht klein.
Gruss, 73
Marco, DD7PC

Hello Marcin
Yes, we will try it again. If WX is good, I will be QRV Fr= iday Evening, probably allready from 19:00 til 23:00 UTC.
73 de Toni
2009/11/30 Marcin <<= a href=3D"mailto:bxi@interia.pl" target=3D"_blank">bxi@interia.pl><= /span>
Hello Toni
If you calling my I have QSO on DK8ND. I copied your twice transmiting CQ.=
Maybe have qso next friday?
73! Marcin



Hello Marcin
I've seen your signal in QRS10. It was quite strong. I called you, but=
probably my signal was too weak. May be we can make a QSO next weekend. 73 de Toni, HB9ASB


2009/11/24 Anton B=E4rtschi <hb9asb@gmail.com>

Hello Marcin
Yes, would be nice to make a first contact SP-HB9. As far as i know, it never took place. How abot this weekend, saturday or sunday? Have you ever=
seen my signal? Should we try it in QRS3 or QRS10?
73 de Toni, HB9ASB


2009/11/23 Marcin <= bxi@interia.pl>

Hello Toni
Plise QSO on 136kHz.
We have 1W EIRP and antenna 30m hight and 120m long.
--
Vy 73!
Marcin SQ2BXI
(SP2KDS Team)

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Internetowi nie placa! Otworz Konto Direct.
Kliknij >> http://link.interia.pl/f2448


--------------------------------------------------------------= --------
Audi kilka tysiecy zlotych taniej? Przebieraj wsrod tysiecy ogloszen!
Kliknij >>> http://link.interia.pl/f2424



--0015173ff92eb367210479d48707-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf01.mx.aol.com (rly-mf01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.171]) by air-mf05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF051-9414b25410e300; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:31:44 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF017-9414b25410e300; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:31:27 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJu8h-0007z0-RK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:29:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJu8h-0007yr-Fq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:29:55 +0000 Received: from web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com ([69.147.97.72]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJu9F-0005yD-0I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:30:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 94820 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Dec 2009 19:30:28 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1260732627; bh=w82qsbZghHZf97l6yct6QFSTJZuMKgLUfT09x4dUUxQ=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=AgP2NyTUaE4R9WPzGUZ4IPaOM3wDihe8Ak7LNH2zZoS2Y4LNwbinjwZK/7wGi5u+H7iaaiJ1X6Qg3iD0XvrAH3geSCbiRfmPjTEcLNEE0m51TSsMYAOXvhoFf4Dj+hytLMhyXrM78eTsiTL9dX63DBNN9XbXdNoREi0C9wyi7tM= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ENHy0GewP5unloQsFnruAHaK7cmsVIZKNeJAJOKvJ2pvTKz9QqQGRiomtSPcZuldlfB/tbRuDu6QeZZAnKTe4aLXxkdrE0UA6/0ido5Hh4353AGgxvwk3M7HGkyG6kNk/mrMPV42KxyL2FCLJbL1HdKSeV6MYxCGgeoDaO0BThM=; Message-ID: <981195.94143.qm@web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Qx8vkfAVM1kwNcdMHXXgRa3KE16eFmJODJPUW2f3MpqLsydYgJmanbZkda9bIP9IhMhs7lw412LCjABLB2R4WFd7psxj6aLxUKAF.Tru6yfctVYrPKkn5ez3ua.IX2qATPv4RUuNIU0aC3aOl5aTYKLMX4ltE6VxCHKoQH9Z95J5bLrW.ELt55iLorChpdnnZIVppnWdaa0MqF.RXgaB1EPCzaaUZh6U1qX_f6NswdMphH8TBr3mZzea1XkeFbpMswAkDlgrpBQAqdP4NOEqXPH7p8Y.HIJcUww45QkQMEhY8DGSzhjj6XL8qgVjAyNrYENTxM7C9ARNpNtObvBQflDc8NZu29KGUQGxCuWoiOKc1VdeeOWb_z.Nhg_WA0IMJO_7.Vbs7wz2 Received: from [66.191.248.86] by web63602.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:30:27 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:30:27 -0800 (PST) From: Andy - KU4XR To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <002c01ca7c1b$48b827b0$6402a8c0@e7010> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG QRO QRSS3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d285.1 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : pass Walter: Is your frequency still 505.090 KHz ?? Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29866 KHz ( QRSS-60 ) Coordinates: N: 35* 43' 54" - W: 84* 3' 16" http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr http://webpages.charter.net/ku4xr/ --- On Sun, 12/13/09, Walter und Marianne Staubach wrote: > From: Walter und Marianne Staubach > Subject: LF: DI2AG QRO QRSS3 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 12:39 PM >=20 >=20 > =20 > =20 >=20 >=20 > =20 > Dear MF, > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 DI2AG is >=20 > now transmitting in=A0 QRSS3 with more power - 2W ERP > instead of 0.4W ERP.=20 > Please your reports via wum.staubach@t-online.de > or dj2lf@darc.de >=20 > The machine will run until > tomorrow 7UTC - if she=20 > does the job. > Thanks and 73 > Walter=A0 DI2AG / > DJ2LF > =A0 > =A0 > =A0=20 >=20 =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db05.mx.aol.com (rly-db05.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.80]) by air-db08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB083-ac54b16d1341ab; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:42:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB053-ac54b16d1341ab; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:42:30 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFvxv-0007hm-LV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:38:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFvxv-0007hd-44 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:38:23 +0000 Received: from mbox2.netikka.net ([213.250.81.203]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFvxu-0000Ut-2q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:38:23 +0000 Received: from tupu.netikka.net (tupu [172.16.83.90]) by mbox2-feedback.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F721408182 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:38:16 +0200 (EET) Received: from imp1.netikka.net (imp1.netikka.net [213.250.85.154]) by tupu.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F344B4B005F for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:38:15 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imp1.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 171A5495BCB for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:38:16 +0200 (EET) Received: from 558602b6.adsl.multi.fi (558602b6.adsl.multi.fi [85.134.2.182]) by imp.netikka.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:38:16 +0200 Message-ID: <1259786296.4b16d03812827@imp.netikka.net> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:38:16 +0200 From: Paul-Henrik To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <254102CCC310104CA9DA9DA31EBD03CE02CEB57D58@exlnmb06.eur.nsroot.net> <4B16CD94.4050301@inext.at> In-Reply-To: <4B16CD94.4050301@inext.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 85.134.2.182 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: OE3GHB and OE5ODL around 137.7kHz Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="-MOQ125978629621f6ef0b0a4cea959ff8ef9528b63811" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 ---MOQ125978629621f6ef0b0a4cea959ff8ef9528b63811 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LF Copied OE3GHB and OE5ODL around 137.7kHz about 2030UTC CW mode is LSB so frequencies are inverted. 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Sanders" To: Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 09:07:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Stations on 505kHz last night. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA8866.61665AA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cd4b39b9486dfd X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA8866.61665AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To DI2AM and all LF Good morning all, also copied by ear two transmissions just above 505k= Hz last night. 29-12-2009 00:50utc 505.20kHz DI2AM, QRSS3 and plain CW. 29-12-2009 01:00utc 505.03kHz QRSS3? and plan CW ...XS...? Please confirm DI2AM is ok and give a clue who could be the other stat= ion. Kind Regards, Michael (Mike) / PC4M ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA8866.61665AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To DI2AM and all LF
 
Good morning all, also copied by ear= two=20 transmissions just above 505kHz last night.
 
29-12-2009 00:50utc 505.20kHz DI2AM,= QRSS3 and=20 plain CW.
29-12-2009 01:00utc 505.03kHz QRSS3?= and plan CW=20 ...XS...?
 
Please confirm DI2AM is ok = and give a=20 clue who could be the other station.
 
Kind Regards,
 
Michael (Mike) / PC4M
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA8866.61665AA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc09.mx.aol.com (rly-mc09.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.93]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC024-d964b297f29183; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:45:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC096-d964b297f29183; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:45:31 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NL4Qp-0004Gx-VN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:41:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NL4Qp-0004Go-HM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:41:27 +0000 Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.41]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NL4Su-0000IV-Mx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:43:37 +0000 Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nBH0htRs013402 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:43:55 -0500 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.bcd.604bf5b0 (37103) for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:43:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (host-92-9-61-146.as43234.net [92.9.61.146]) by cia-db08.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB081-90ef4b297ebe71; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:43:50 -0500 From: g4gvw To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:43:46 +0000 Message-Id: <1261010626.941.9.camel@pat-compaq-evo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.1 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: G4gvw@aol.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Optic transmission etc. Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Stefan et. al., Stefan, you might wish to direct some of this discussion towards Alan g3nyk. Some years ago while working together on some commercial applications he and I had very interesting ideas about using optical links in both commercial and amateur transmitter designs for the purpose of simplifying unwanted coupling between various stages including the matching problems that may sometimes arise. Opto-isolation is also quite useful in the practice of isolating direct galvanic coupling. Alan, I recall had some quite novel and interesting ideas (as he often has) and would be worth drawing into the discussion if you can prise him away from his other pretty consuming interests. Rgds -- 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw qth nr felixstowe uk (east coast, county of suffolk) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me02.mx.aol.com (rly-me02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.35]) by air-me08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME082-99f4b201346264; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:15:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME023-99f4b201346264; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:14:47 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NITqn-0004wn-NC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:13:33 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NITqn-0004we-3H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:13:33 +0000 Received: from nina.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.76]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NITql-0003JI-C8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:13:33 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.153]) by nina.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nB9LDOEn030307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 17:43:24 -0330 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 17:43:24 -0330 (NST) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70912091153iaa6a489ia1a35bc98f56233a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <57a24ca70912091153iaa6a489ia1a35bc98f56233a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: 507.77 kHz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) VX9MRC is sending a 'ceremonial' transmission until 2300 and again at 0100 following the DDH47 transmissions on 147.3 kHz. Reports most welcomed! 73 Joe VO1NA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (rly-dc03.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.32]) by air-dc01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC011-b104b190684b6; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 07:54:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC034-b104b190684b6; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 07:54:30 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGXer-0006ch-HX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:53:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGXer-0006cY-4g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:53:13 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGXeq-0004Db-C1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:53:13 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nB4CrA08020073 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:53:11 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:53:10 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:53:09 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB3D@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <4B18BE10.9090208@telia.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: AW: [Fwd: Extra transmission with SAQ Dec 10 2009] Thread-Index: Acp0twJpue7bVSAWRaGrRIHdopBWyQAKXvMw From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.604;03.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.4.124526 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: LF: AW: [Fwd: Extra transmission with SAQ Dec 10 2009] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Johan,=20 No problem at all. It was just a short info. Gl es 73 es hpe for a qso next! Stefan / DK7FC -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von Johan H. Bodin Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Dezember 2009 08:45 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: AW: [Fwd: Extra transmission with SAQ Dec 10 2009] I'm sorry but I didn't do the spelling - I simply forwarded the message=20 I got from SAQ. 73 Johan SM6LKM Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > The german physicist is called Karl Ferdinand Braun=20 > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Ferdinand_Braun )! >> The reason for the extra transmission is a centenary commemoration of= =20 >> the Nobel Prize given to Guglielmo Marconi and Karl Ferdinand Brown. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md04.mx.aol.com (rly-md04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.142]) by air-md06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD064-8fa4b1fd5743a8; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:51:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD042-8fa4b1fd5743a8; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:51:02 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIPjQ-0003CG-Hy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:49:40 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIPjQ-0003C6-55 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:49:40 +0000 Received: from mail-yx0-f203.google.com ([209.85.210.203]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIPjO-0001MQ-Lh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:49:40 +0000 Received: by yxe41 with SMTP id 41so17439417yxe.30 for ; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:49:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=/snplwX5WPyfc3ixqzFDdh4SV2+WAfEF9K5vA7J9BUY=; b=f3j+HHaI5vSOeMKYCzW2v9425lh2jRguiLi6e93mjd0TaoYeCpW195eNpHpir5SaAj mmP9VNYCEQFgmdXtfSjEp624mp3zUSvb0QIiURI4g9DVxkT3PUMceFs7jQ7m15rQmdXA FOtZ8zT4TTZ7bpJ89CitbIRg7roS8+P+H6o9U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=RAMeykBf+omBnUp4QS2vomaw3QvqpAk2cv4KRnh9YfiM9J1xTFBwbj6IDXKNEnINXr zEqRNDwno4agxydn32uYiAhxJ3Y5dLmubzx4zSF29UuO1EQGLF5Xs+qRmRxuMScn2pAf D01vis97F5klNl8oOcgGCrRcuBCriZAPjJjoA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.24.2 with SMTP id 2mr16829423ybx.172.1260377372397; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:49:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <260E0D94909542FC8C7B5FF6FA1A3680@Uwe> References: <260E0D94909542FC8C7B5FF6FA1A3680@Uwe> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 11:49:32 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca70912090849g501ebc1em4495252c825ee0dc@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: JUMA 136Kc Xmitter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m271.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Uwe, Yes the Juma TX136 and TX500 are very FB transmitters, and they have a receive bandpass filter, rx converter and keyer built in ! I have both - I've only tested them on a dummy load so far. -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Uwe Wensauer wrote: > Much cheaper JUMA 136kc TX as Tx-2200A > > > http://www.nikkemedia.fi/juma/ > > I built this tx already - it works fine, but dont have antenna so far ... > > 73 > Uwe, dk1kq -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (rly-dg11.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.95]) by air-dg07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG074-6074b1d3c431b1; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 12:33:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG118-6074b1d3c431b1; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 12:32:52 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHhQw-0002fj-0b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 17:31:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHhQv-0002fa-KN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 17:31:37 +0000 Received: from mail-yx0-f203.google.com ([209.85.210.203]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHhQu-00063l-Th for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 17:31:37 +0000 Received: by yxe41 with SMTP id 41so12375914yxe.30 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:31:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=64YVIBaelm9HCcv061y+hrBSZMzILtk66xDKNPHlG8A=; b=dWDJxXFFnfnXUUlCv8X3y3qER68Oh866qiRGMdS//+mTfNQ5gfkzZbHSu/0BX0Qd8X kIvAyAnfkzeige09B9BOqZ3YIOrWuKnmSqGAFxDsgfZl6PI22i9CMvS/sYz8Vr5M1ebb WQdZpH4F0C+YFtbgTj1k8yRjZlDBrT+iMew+M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=XRHz4twkDS3mps44VdrYmNhxR7q3eAWTI06DhiToPmJrSG+Pe3SHw/5Fc01bixMCCa kZW+FaLRemQy4tqZhAUD4dYZngcIKjh3I0gnDJS3EJPdf/1lihnc4+PPjA1YLBil7mgS 0G9UQd1HkG5jnC93cEE9hd+oUTu0mWrSXpqCg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.254.8 with SMTP id b8mr3978112ybi.136.1260207089770; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:31:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <004401ca774f$ae6c3810$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> References: <4B1C2AFB.4060504@mail.ru> <004401ca774f$ae6c3810$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 12:31:29 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca70912070931ja01e51dw23f13556dae9a0d5@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: Re: LF: XGJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m227.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Andrey, Thank you for the capture! -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Andrey rn3agc wrote: > Hello Warren, LF > Capture last night at 02.58 > > 73 Andrey From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma01.mx.aol.com (rly-ma01.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.44]) by air-ma02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA023-8884b203283235; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:28:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA012-8884b203283235; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:28:05 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIVwE-0006Q6-S5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:27:18 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIVwE-0006Pv-3f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:27:18 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIVwA-00049b-Sr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:27:18 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so6088157bwz.4 for ; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:27:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=tBrBkpGu3a16jPkYoCu8JD7867Fbf/isKNp9kkXQhCY=; b=HW5PV56t3ROEq+Y00t7ne7h7dfSx6pUXzAHsrpN+AgaMKpPIxOsyEctTXuAAeCwK3X cXW3oVu48izEk6hPfze/ZSz+lk5ywVZ05qyK6iNGtS+mPcf9ybM/UK0IhoRyHEN1qIPJ ewpH64N7Hha43s3RvpNSxtXbRrM0y1CFM2rcc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=k81nqyBCFHSGKS9+heacYYjxHlKxWkHYwvHwikR+jNx/GE8ipEchCfGGMfi/R9HG+q QKNlUxDt5wgzGJiH3xDfp8TYtpwRlploqE8paYPmmmElFvPHes6e6hY+f1cAXR8S+PxQ 2m8AfpZnI5B+bTFqM26M1QAhcZo4SPGIOpZzg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.152.154 with SMTP id g26mr2850990bkw.54.1260401229118; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:27:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20250.29213.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <510B0611943F48E1975A8F833B63FBD5@AGB> <20250.29213.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 23:27:09 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<< Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175d09de893e81047a54071c X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m230.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0015175d09de893e81047a54071c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 With the transverter "in the open" (rat's nest) on the desktop there is a warm-up drift of about 40Hz HF until things settle down. This has not been an issue with WSPR as the drift in a single TX slot is only about 1-2Hz usually (WSPR copes with this) and it soon settles down to 0Hz drift. I have not tried QRSS but imagine you'd have to ensure the xtal oscillator is made more thermally stable for v.slow QRSS, but would guess it would be OK for some moderate QRSS operation. Putting the whole unit in a box should help. My little circuit works, but is surely capable of much improvement, HI. 73s Roger G3XBM 2009/12/9 ALAN MELIA > Sounds good Roger and Graham... what it the stability like the problem with > transverters/upconverters normally is that while ok for some modes they are > often not stable enough for the very weak signal modes. These are modes > where you need to know the frequency of a station very accurately because > you will not hear it, or it will only pop above the noise for short periods. > > Alan G3NYK > > > --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Graham wrote: > > > From: Graham > > Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<< > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 22:13 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All > > > > This latest > > addition to the > > HF / MF tx convertor opens the door > > to data > > communications on 500 ... ranging from > > 'all' the K1JT systems > > through to the single carrier > > multi tone > > systems of > > MFSK , DOMINO and THOR .. even > > the almost > > forgotten Amtor-arq and Packtor modes , anyone > > still have > > there pk232 > > > > listed are > > data modes that may be used with > > non-linear systems :- > > > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/meat-grinder-comms > > > > G.. > > > > > > > > > > From: Roger > > Lapthorn > > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 12:20 AM > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > > > > > Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX > > transverter > > > > Dear All, > > > > My WSPR tx up-converter has now been modified to > > a full TX/RX tranverter suitable for WSPR, QRSS and > > CW in a > > very simple way, making use of the FT817 split > > facility which allows you > > to RX on 500kHz and TX on 28MHz. By adding a series LC > > between the TX PA and the > > FT817 input/output RF connection (with back-to-back diodes > > at the L and C > > junction, this allows "pass through" from the > > 500kHz ATU to the FT817 on RX > > (tuned to 500kHz). On TX, the diodes conduct and the C part > > is in parallel with > > the first cap in the TX low pass filter. This scheme is now > > working really well > > with good RX sensitivity and no change in TX power out. > > > > Schematic of the > > transverter is on my blog at http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > > . My > > attempt to add it as an attachment to an email here earlier > > failed. > > > > This more or less concludes my 500kHz experimenting, apart > > from > > getting a few more CW QSOs in the log. It's been great > > fun all the way with lots > > of support from folks here. I was going to try 136kHz, but > > think I will now give > > this a miss for now. > > > > 73s > > Roger G3XBM > > -- > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > > G3XBM > > GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > > > > > > > > > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --0015175d09de893e81047a54071c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable With the transverter "in the open" (rat's nest) on the deskt= op there is a warm-up drift of about 40Hz HF until things settle down. Thi= s has not been an issue with WSPR as the drift in a single TX slot is only= about 1-2Hz usually (WSPR copes with this) and it soon settles down to 0H= z drift. I have not tried QRSS but imagine you'd have to ensure the xt= al oscillator is made more thermally stable for v.slow QRSS, but would gue= ss it would be OK for some moderate QRSS operation. Putting the whole unit= in a box should help.

My little circuit works, but is surely capable of much improvement, HI= .

73s
Roger G3XBM

2009/12/9 AL= AN MELIA <alan.melia@btinternet.com>
Sounds good Rog= er and Graham... what it the stability like the problem with transverters/= upconverters normally is that while ok for some modes they are =A0often no= t stable enough for the very weak signal modes. These are modes where you= need to know the frequency of a station very accurately because you will= not hear it, or it will only pop above the noise for short periods.

Alan G3NYK


--- On Wed, 9/12/09, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> From: Graham <g8fzk@g8f= zk.fsnet.co.uk>
> Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<= ;<
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 22:13
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> All
>
> This =A0latest
> addition to =A0the
> HF / MF =A0tx convertor =A0opens the =A0door
> to =A0data
> communications =A0on 500 ... ranging =A0from
> 'all' =A0the K1JT systems
> through to =A0the =A0single carrier
> multi =A0tone
> systems =A0of
> MFSK =A0, =A0DOMINO and THOR =A0.. even
> the =A0almost
> forgotten =A0Amtor-arq =A0and Packtor modes , anyone
> still =A0have
> there pk232
>
> listed =A0are
> data =A0modes that =A0may be =A0used with
> non-linear systems :-
>
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/meat-g= rinder-comms
>
> G..
>
>
>
>
> From: Roger
> Lapthorn
> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 12:20 AM
> To: rsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep.org
>
>
> Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX
> transverter
>
> Dear All,
>
> My WSPR tx up-converter has now been modified to
> a full TX/RX tranverter suitable for WSPR, QRSS and
> CW =A0in a
> very simple way, making use of the FT817 split
> facility which allows you
> to RX on 500kHz and TX on 28MHz. By adding a series LC
> between the TX PA and the
> FT817 input/output RF connection (with back-to-back diodes
> at the L and C
> junction, this allows "pass through" from the
> 500kHz ATU to the FT817 on RX
> (tuned to 500kHz). On TX, the diodes conduct and the C part
> is in parallel with
> the first cap in the TX low pass filter. This scheme is now
> working really well
> with good RX sensitivity and no change in TX power out.
>
> Schematic of the
> transverter is on my blog at http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
> . My
> attempt to add it as an attachment to an email here earlier
> failed.
>
> This more or less concludes my 500kHz experimenting, apart
> from
> getting a few more CW QSOs in the log. It's been great
> fun all the way with lots
> of support from folks here. I was going to try 136kHz, but
> think I will now give
> this a miss for now.
>
> 73s
> Roger G3XBM
> --
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> http://g= 3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
> http://www.g3xbm= .co.uk
> G3XBM
> =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088
>
>
>
>
>




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--0015175d09de893e81047a54071c-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (rly-mf05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.175]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF082-95f4b2a0ba535e; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 05:45:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF055-95f4b2a0ba535e; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 05:44:56 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLDmp-0002Oc-Ch for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:40:47 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLDmo-0002OT-TX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:40:46 +0000 Received: from n12.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.125.209]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLDpZ-00035a-EI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:43:37 +0000 Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n12.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2009 10:43:29 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.68] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2009 10:43:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp420.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2009 10:43:29 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 504897.1249.bm@omp420.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 47223 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2009 10:43:29 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=P2yd2jz1qbsALyFZiujqho4aaKO6Vne0J6apfY7hxQZugf2rULougcnbpMGldMU9Dcu3/1sU45YhjBwd8Byf8N7ggFZTJjp0mskAm7E7ZvPw8AskqQgKQ5MK99Qt384bmkJ4/2/JPOKYXb6hoHV9EQg3OGR2+037DMjTuXzRgVY= ; Received: from host86-151-140-44.range86-151.btcentralplus.com (ken.h.wright@86.151.140.44 with login) by smtp139.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2009 02:43:29 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9Y6mUHuswBAgnrOsukIiNdFDf95uy_Dz34nY1hlg2liKgYD952sjbg-- X-YMail-OSG: rBIPiboVM1nS14rVTbYbjMXyosG0J2c9p6tjvoHPF9xLzGj2S.NiX6TbCwqNiZQvKyRwESzkq202CwuOETtY9wmF82hWH26VyV54aa1d6rtjPUctsWQVJpiyfmP6G_E0PgNkR3NpHDHYRfP8dZcTdMnQxq6ZOnC0TggtR6sDJlTQJEWWzl3OsnHG3Nm5p6RJDqb1SCsGNgDnnsmw8OJWdgkeyCbv1upBWffVeHSZplLQ2sw9sU96h3NSxVKqAMl9k1xL_TP3hCOoIswEqX8tW.k03yAQoPl4beStKmSFbttZnIxiqHbirlieCKi7_fbSKWKVNy1YVcFanU9APi2N8t1IFmO7PSPMjTvaNtZR0yCieGT67A9zK.UKGKVLSzDbaJGooas- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <6F962616C1CC4C1B844AF099CB1BB55D@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <1542517694@web.de> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:43:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: Re: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Optical fibres are fine for transmission and remove all the problems of interference and cross talk at a stroke, but please be careful and observe optical safety precautions when using lasers and other light sources. I worked on optical systems for many years during my time with BT, and optical safety took priority over every thing else. All optical fibres need to have a perfect cleave on the ends, and the connectors be absolutely clean, if you are not launching into an optical connector then alignment will be a problem, similarly at the receive end. 73. Ken M0KHW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Horst Stcker" To: Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:01 AM Subject: LF: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals In theory it's a good Idea which I had some weeks before without working it out. Years before I also have made tests with FTA (free to air) optical transmissions with a DL2CH-Transceiver and a TRX-Kit by Aatis which is quite much simpler. Even with that it was no problem to link between two points about a few meters. In this case you should think about an IR-LED. Unfortunately, the Aatis receiver has a photo transistor instead of a diode. But it should be no great deal to modify that. The problems with FTA optic transmission for this application are imho: - You have to be sure, that no one can be injured by the laser beam, especially at unattended operation. - Think about how many hours/the beam has it's full power before becoming much weaker. - The optics must be kept clean. This could be a problem if the units are out of reach. - The units have to be mounted absolutely stable. For Example, on a swinging fibre rod you'll never bring a laser beam exactly to the rx area. I bet, (FTA) optical transmission just changes one problem with a few others. But the transmission with optical cable seems interesting. What type of cable do you suggest? I do not think, my TOS-Link cable would stand weather/UV and mechanical conditions outside for a long time. Horst DO1KHS ___________________________________________________________ Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate fr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb11.mx.aol.com (rly-mb11.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.169]) by air-mb02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB022-d3b4b1c188d137; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:48:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb11.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB117-d3b4b1c188d137; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:48:14 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHO0s-0006CQ-G9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:47:26 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHO0r-0006CH-Uw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:47:25 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s38.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.49]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHO0p-0002LW-U0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:47:25 +0000 Received: from BLU146-DS2 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s38.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 6 Dec 2009 12:47:17 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [221.198.86.16] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: To: Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 20:47:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2009 20:47:17.0096 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C131E80:01CA76B5] X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: UA4WPF RA3YO Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA76B5.4BBC4BF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,NO_REAL_NAME,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA76B5.4BBC4BF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Y" RA3YO readable dfcw 137778.05/.15 and "WPF" 137778.75/.85 Nice= and clear into Bohai Bay this early morning (its 0430 local) - DCF= 39 sitting at S3 to S5, same for Budapest which is its normal couple= of dBs stronger. MSFSK type RTTY signal around 135.8 ish Khz is S2.= QRN is low, kicking up the meter to S3 occasionally. Im also seeing weak 2 min period transmissions on my 502.4 dial spectr= um out put and Ill keep my beady bloodshots on that too. Wheres the coffee... Still lower strength signals being somewhat offset my the very low QRN= levels. Laurence KL 1 X in BY3A OM89UA Tanggu China Temp PA0RDT probe on fishing pole, R75. Snappers on http://kl1x.com/screen2.html E China http://kl1x.com/screen.html South Central Alaska ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA76B5.4BBC4BF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
"Y" RA3YO readable dfcw 137778.05/.15 and=20 "WPF"   137778.75/.85   Nice and clear into Bohai= Bay this=20 early morning  (its 0430 local)  -  DCF39 sitting at S3= to S5,=20 same for Budapest which is its normal couple of dBs stronger. MSFSK ty= pe RTTY=20 signal around 135.8 ish Khz is S2.  QRN is low, kicking up the me= ter to S3=20 occasionally.
 
Im also seeing weak 2 min period transmissio= ns on my=20 502.4 dial spectrum out put and Ill keep my beady bloodshots on that= =20 too.
 
Wheres the coffee...
 
Still lower strength signals being somewhat= offset my=20 the very low QRN levels.
 
Laurence KL 1 X in BY3A OM89UA
Tanggu China
Temp PA0RDT probe on fishing pole, R75.
 
Snappers on
 
ht= tp://kl1x.com/screen.html  South=20 Central Alaska
 
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01CA76B5.4BBC4BF0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me01.mx.aol.com (rly-me01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.34]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME064-9954b1d4549159; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:11:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME011-9954b1d4549159; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:11:24 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHi2U-0002uj-R9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:10:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHi2U-0002ua-EF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:10:26 +0000 Received: from mcgi72.rambler.ru ([81.19.67.209]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHi2R-0006LU-PD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:10:26 +0000 Received: from [91.77.89.121] by mcgi72.rambler.ru with HTTP (mailimap); Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:10:20 +0300 From: Roman RW3ADB To: Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:10:20 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <1523192292@web.de> Message-Id: <545734478.1260209420.51424136.43539@mcgi72.rambler.ru> X-Mailer: Ramail 3u, (untone), http://mail.rambler.ru X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: DDH47 in QRSS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format="flowed" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Horst, LF! * Horst Stöcker [Mon, 07 Dec 2009 10:18:16 +0100]: > Hello, > I just quoted the first message that was published somewhere I do not > remember at all. > Great that you remarked the mistake. > The date 9-11 December should be right. Both dates will be right? twice transmission? I'm understood right? > I is also published in the "official" flyer 1.0 nobeld.pdf > 73 HORST > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: "Roman RW3ADB" > > Gesendet: 07.12.09 02:49:11 > > An: > > Betreff: Re: LF: DDH47 in QRSS > > > > Hello Horst, LF! > > Remember about your info and look > > http://www.doese-apprt.de/pfbday/nobel.html today again. > > I can see that info: > > >>From 9th December 2009 23:00 until 10th December 2009 01:00 UTC the > > transmitter is available for 2 hours in telegraphy. > > > > It will be possible more exact about that? > > > > It will be from 9 to 10 or from 10 to 11? What is true? > > > > * Horst Stöcker [Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:52:11 > > +0100]: > > > Hello, > > > > > > despite some of you might have heard about the following news, I was > > > very surprised and I am looking forward to this event: > > > > > > DDH47 147.3 khz in QRSS 3 > > > > > > In Honor of Nobelprize Winner Marconi and Prof. Ferdinand Braun a > > > special transmission will be Date: > > > > > > 10. Dec 2009 Time: Start 2300 UTC > > > > > > Frequ. 147,3 kc Mode: > > > > > > QRSS 3 > > > > > > PWR: 20 kW > > > > > > The weather forcast transmitter Pinneberg DDH47 will stop RTTY ( 50 > > Bd) > > > transmission in between 10. Dec 2300h UTC and 11. Dec 001 UTC In > this > > > timegap, the TX will be used for a special event transmission. Short > > > words in QRRS 3 will be transmitted. After the transmission You may > > > confirm the receiving at a shortwave frequency or via Internet ( QRG > > and > > > adress will be given later) You may check propagation every day / > > night > > > at 147,3 Kc DDH47, because the TX is working 24 Hours > > > > > > vy73 Horst DO1KHS > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > > Neu: WEB.DE DSL bis 50.000 kBit/s und 200,- Euro Startguthaben! > > > http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Roman RW3ADB. > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > GRATIS für alle WEB.DE-Nutzer: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! > Jetzt freischalten unter http://movieflat.web.de > > -- Roman RW3ADB. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md03.mx.aol.com (rly-md03.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.141]) by air-md06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD064-8f44b3a76ae25e; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:38:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD034-8f44b3a76ae25e; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:37:52 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPjkN-00010d-07 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 21:36:55 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPjkM-00010U-9P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 21:36:54 +0000 Received: from n22a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.207.188]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPjkL-0002Zn-TP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 21:36:54 +0000 Received: from [68.142.200.221] by n22.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2009 21:36:46 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.244] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2009 21:36:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp405.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2009 21:36:46 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 557478.64934.bm@omp405.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 4625 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2009 21:36:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=CylzlAVMQ+2n+9xe7bGquUGwqMCSWpvaLtXHFVxlBi4Jlx1Pc46LsgJoXgQAlJ9YbE73nJoTkHcdBll7r6dVX9VDm73H6r7cPSShvtPaKnz8QcqE3UmX4Q8K6UDdSgoDZaH63cIwKbhxcWi5em8iCaYUowzRhT0ImLXrWD0cxso= ; Received: from host86-161-178-91.range86-161.btcentralplus.com (ken.h.wright@86.161.178.91 with login) by smtp136.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2009 13:36:45 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9Y6mUHuswBAgnrOsukIiNdFDf95uy_Dz34nY1hlg2liKgYD952sjbg-- X-YMail-OSG: gMAAPT8VM1lZM0KJFfL7ojRmqBP_69fl6g.1gZVk1HFLzW8r0OIxTU9KojN3wvMMnEapupuY4Z2UqikX_zC2l0fZc9IeDIfJ_kjiPp87pORwBlwn7JAhweKMeiZVz_sxMGUbqrd0jsDRvSrPdOtNvGYh6xp3.7.Xiqnf43DJ.MPVk7HDnaNnC7V1468tUCyuiUoExJI9ORAhFt5.7Z7q.zC5a9359OXpeLgzHL.kE1oB1gBxx75.uicasDuNOImvX..QbtTwOI1R0.8htpBD7.duKsBWW8GX7ff1FPW5RyVC.ODWYMentii_yePpRjskq3J8SVJX89pSFSgAAke45YTHfHkm4ARl7ALN X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <31D12909B3E54BA9B9750DD5F8E42819@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <1542517694@web.de> <6F962616C1CC4C1B844AF099CB1BB55D@lindavideo> <000f01ca7fc2$c666f6a0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <200912291031040414.59AABDD1@smtp2.numeo.fr> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 21:36:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 If it is red then the optical wavelength is about 850nm, what you also need to know is the type of fibre on the sound card, i.e, multi mode or single mode. Multi mode fibre is usually 50/125 microns and single mode 9/125 microns, the first number is the core diameter, the second the overall fibre diameter, as you can see you do not want to try and launch a multi mode light source into a single mode fibre.. 73s. Ken. M0KHW ----- Original Message ----- From: "John RABSON" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 9:31 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Agreed we should be careful. My Creative Labs soundcard (external USB) has SPDIF optical connectors as well as electrical. The Optical Out connector emits a faint red light but I can't find any mention of safety in the user manual. F5VLF *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 18/12/2009 at 09:16 mal hamilton wrote: >Radio Amateurs BEWARE - Appliance Operators DO NOT TOUCH > >G3KEV > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ken" >To: >Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 10:43 AM >Subject: LF: Re: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX >signals > > >> Optical fibres are fine for transmission and remove all the problems of >> interference and cross talk at a stroke, but please be careful and >observe >> optical safety precautions when using lasers and other light sources. I >> worked on optical systems for many years during my time with BT, and >optical >> safety took priority over every thing else. All optical fibres need to >have >> a perfect cleave on the ends, and the connectors be absolutely clean, if >> you are not launching into an optical connector then alignment will be a >> problem, similarly at the receive end. >> >> >> 73. >> Ken >> >> M0KHW >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Horst Stcker" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:01 AM >> Subject: LF: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX >signals >> >> >> In theory it's a good Idea which I had some weeks before without working >it >> out. >> >> Years before I also have made tests with FTA (free to air) optical >> transmissions with a DL2CH-Transceiver and a TRX-Kit by Aatis which is >quite >> much simpler. >> Even with that it was no problem to link between two points about a few >> meters. >> >> In this case you should think about an IR-LED. Unfortunately, the Aatis >> receiver has a photo transistor instead of a diode. But it should be no >> great deal to modify that. >> >> The problems with FTA optic transmission for this application are imho: >> - You have to be sure, that no one can be injured by the laser beam, >> especially at unattended operation. >> - Think about how many hours/the beam has it's full power before becoming >> much weaker. >> - The optics must be kept clean. This could be a problem if the units are >> out of reach. >> - The units have to be mounted absolutely stable. For Example, on a >swinging >> fibre rod you'll never bring a laser beam exactly to the rx area. >> >> I bet, (FTA) optical transmission just changes one problem with a few >> others. >> >> But the transmission with optical cable seems interesting. >> >> What type of cable do you suggest? I do not think, my TOS-Link cable >would >> stand weather/UV and mechanical conditions outside for a long time. >> >> Horst DO1KHS >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate fr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! >> http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ >> >> >> >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me10.mx.aol.com (rly-me10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.44]) by air-me09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME092-9e04b22dc9eee; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:58:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME104-9e04b22dc9eee; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:58:23 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJFMP-0003gi-QS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:57:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJFMP-0003gZ-7p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:57:21 +0000 Received: from imr-mb02.mx.aol.com ([64.12.207.163]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJFMO-0004DF-0F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:57:21 +0000 Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nBBNvAIc030705 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:57:10 -0500 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.c9c.58f66b27 (34983) for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:57:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from Black (g229087131.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.229.87.131]) by cia-da08.mx.aol.com (v127.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA088-88a74b22dc4c21a; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:57:01 -0500 Message-ID: <031E83CD8D72440486D28C1EBA4E53C3@Black> From: "Markus Vester" To: References: <88EEC52E6C874CCEB966804D073A3376@White> <57a24ca70912110724l43b18b68t5d2f18849fb14147@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70912110724l43b18b68t5d2f18849fb14147@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:56:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01CA7AC5.FFCBE920" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01CA7AC5.FFCBE920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Warren, LF, well your point about the winter night is perfectly understood...=20 A fixed QRG will not be a problem for transatlantic contacts, as long= as we Eu's would transmit in the lower band. Only if during the secon= d half of your night you'd aim West, and someone from over there might= want to fire up near your QRG, the two of you could end up blocking= possible coast-to-coast contacts.=20 There is also a technical answer: you could perhaps tune remotely usin= g a relay, or even connect the additional capacitance at the input of= the feedline. It may add in a bit of extra loss but not much, as only= 2% of the reactance would need to be switched. Best wishes, Markus (DF6NM) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Warren Ziegler" To: Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 4:24 PM Subject: Re: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes Markus, My antenna tuning unit is outside 100 meters away from= the ham shack. I am unwilling to go out in the winter night to retune the antenna to= QSY to the lower frequency segment. --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 3:38 AM, Markus Vester = wrote: Dear LF, the passage should have said: Taking into account the path of mutual darkness, this would mean that= all stations should transmit in the UPPER band during their evenings= until local midnight, and then QSY to the lower band for the rest of= the night. Sorry for the confusion. 73, Markus ... ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01CA7AC5.FFCBE920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Warren, LF,
 
well your point about the winter= night is=20 perfectly understood...
 
A fixed QRG will not be a= =20 problem for transatlantic contacts, as long as we Eu's would tran= smit in=20 the lower band. Only if during the second half of your night you'= d aim=20 West, and someone from over there might want to fire up near= your=20 QRG, the two of you could end up=20 blocking possible coast-to-coast contacts.
 
There is also a technical answer= : you could=20 perhaps tune remotely using a relay, or even connect the addition= al=20 capacitance at the input of the feedline. It may add in a bit of= extra loss=20 but not much, as only 2% of the reactance would need to be=20 switched.
 
Best wishes,
Markus (DF6NM)
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Warren Ziegler" <wd2x= gj@gmail.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_grou= p@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 4:24= =20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Intercontinental LF= =20 waterholes

Markus,

   &n= bsp;         =20 My antenna tuning unit is outside 100 meters away from the ham shack.<= BR> I=20 am unwilling to go out in the winter night to retune the antenna to QS= Y to the=20 lower frequency segment.

--
73 Warren=20 K2ORS
          &= nbsp;    =20 WD2XGJ
          =      =20 WD2XSH/23
         &nb= sp;     =20 WE2XEB/2
         &nbs= p;     =20 WE2XGR/1

On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 3:38 AM, Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com>= =20 wrote:
Dear LF,

the passage should ha= ve=20 said:

Taking into account the path of mutual darkness, this wou= ld mean=20 that all stations should transmit in the UPPER band during their eveni= ngs until=20 local midnight, and then QSY to the lower band for the rest of the=20 night.

Sorry for the confusion.

73,=20 Markus
...
------=_NextPart_000_002A_01CA7AC5.FFCBE920-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da07.mx.aol.com (rly-da07.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.81]) by air-da04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA042-a7f4b27aac2167; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:27:30 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA077-a7f4b27aac2167; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:26:59 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKZFy-0006Bb-J1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:24:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKZFx-0006BS-Vp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:24:09 +0000 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKZHL-0006L6-RD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:25:39 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmwFAJI5J0tcHB8h/2dsb2JhbACCJ9ZChCsEgWI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,400,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="203298463" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.28.31.33]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2009 15:25:42 +0000 Message-ID: <001d01ca7d9a$dbedc9b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC7C@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:25:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: AW: Re: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10 / PA design Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA7D9A.DB9CC380" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA7D9A.DB9CC380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable An old scrap Line output transformer 3C5 material from a tube TV will= handle 1 Kw of RF and costs nothing. For my LF and MF TX the LOPT came out of my junk box. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 2:51 PM Subject: LF: AW: Re: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10 / PA design Hello Jim! First i want to say that i am glad to meet you here. Do you remember= our QSO in 2004? And mni tnx for your article to the tuning meter (an= d others)! I have built it 2003 and it is for me the most useful measu= ring device on LF at all! Yes, on 137kHz a half bridge is also a good idea since the losses ar= e quite small. But, for a half or full bridge like in these decca tran= smitters, one needs an output ferrite core that can handle the whole= output power. I think these are expensive (?), not easy to get and co= uld be driven into saturation when dimensioned well. In my class e PA= I use a single (!) IRFP360 that costs 1,9 Euro in the moment. This PA= can easily handle 1kW with an efficiency of more than 96%. In the who= le PA circuit, no ferrite cores are used, just two iron powder cores= for the output filter. The driver is one cheap ICL7667, available for= 1,1 Euro. All Capacitors are of the type wima FKP1 (2kV version), cos= ts are below 1 Euro. So, I think a half bridge is more expensive? Best 73 and hope for another QSO!!! Stefan / DK7FC -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von James Moritz Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Dezember 2009 15:15 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: Re: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10 / PA design Dear Stefan, LF Group, A much better choice of circuit topology for QRO transmitters using= an=20 off-line rectified mains PSU of about 330V is the half- or full brid= ge,=20 voltage-mode class D, as used in the "Decca" PAs, and G4JNT's off-li= ne=20 design. Here the peak voltage across each MOSFET is only equal to th= e DC=20 supply voltage, so cheap 500V Mosfets designed for off-line SMPSUs= are=20 ideal. The class E and push-pull current-mode class D designs are be= tter for=20 relatively low voltage supplies, say < 40V. The limitation on TX power that can be used at LF with a vertical an= tenna is=20 the antenna voltage, roughly Iant * XCant. In my experience, corona= =20 breakdown becomes a problem in the 10 - 20kV range with a wire anten= na. So=20 to use high power, and so achieve high antenna current and ERP, you= need=20 high antenna capacitance. Also, the voltage will be increased if the= antenna=20 loss resistance is low. I found that, with an 10m high inverted L an= tenna of=20 about 50m of wire in total, I could run 1.2kW reliably, provided car= e was=20 taken to eliminate sharp ends, narrow spacings, etc. in the antenna= and=20 tuner. This resulted in up to 5A antenna current, and about 17kV on= the=20 antenna wire. Even so, I have to increase the antenna height in orde= r to=20 approach 1W ERP. At 500k, the antenna impedance is much lower, and= =20 efficiency also usually higher, so TX power is less of a problem. In my experience, DX contacts using QRSS30 are quite practical, give= n a=20 large supply of strong coffee! But with longer dot periods, good pro= pagation=20 does not last long enough to complete even a minimal QSO. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA7D9A.DB9CC380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
An old scrap Line output transformer= 3C5=20 material from a tube TV  will handle 1 Kw of RF and costs=20 nothing.
For my LF and MF TX the LOPT cam= e out of my=20 junk box.
mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 15,= 2009 2:51=20 PM
Subject: LF: AW: Re: "Gain"= between qrss3=20 and qrss10 / PA design

Hello Jim!

First i want to say that i am glad= =20 to meet you here. Do you remember our QSO in 2004? And mni tnx for= your=20 article to the tuning meter (and others)! I have built it 2003 and= it is for=20 me the most useful measuring device on LF at all!

Yes, on 137kHz a half bridge is=20 also a good idea since the losses are quite small. But, for a half= or full=20 bridge like in these decca transmitters, one needs an output ferrite= core that=20 can handle the whole output power. I think these are expensive (?),= not easy=20 to get and could be driven into saturation when dimensioned well. In= my class=20 e PA I use a single (!) IRFP360 that costs 1,9 Euro in the moment.= This PA can=20 easily handle 1kW with an efficiency of more than 96%. In the whole= PA=20 circuit, no ferrite cores are used, just two iron powder cores for= the output=20 filter. The driver is one cheap ICL7667, available for 1,1 Euro. All= =20 Capacitors are of the type wima=20 FKP1 (2kV version), costs are below 1 Euro. So, I think a half= bridge is=20 more expensive?

Best 73 and hope for another=20 QSO!!!

 

Stefan / DK7FC

 

 

-----Urspr=FCngliche=20 Nachricht-----
Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von James=20 Moritz
Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Dezember 2009 15:15
An:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: LF: Re: "Gain" between qrss= 3 and=20 qrss10 / PA design

 <= /P>

Dear Stefan, LF=20 Group,

 <= /P>

A much better choice= of circuit=20 topology for QRO transmitters using an

off-line rectified ma= ins PSU of=20 about 330V is the half- or full bridge,

voltage-mode class D,= as used in=20 the "Decca" PAs, and G4JNT's off-line

design. Here the peak= voltage=20 across each MOSFET is only equal to the DC

supply voltage, so ch= eap 500V=20 Mosfets designed for off-line SMPSUs are

ideal. The class E an= d push-pull=20 current-mode class D designs are better for

relatively low voltag= e supplies,=20 say < 40V.

 <= /P>

The limitation on TX= power that can=20 be used at LF with a vertical antenna is

the antenna voltage,= roughly Iant *=20 XCant. In my experience, corona

breakdown becomes a= problem in the=20 10 - 20kV range with a wire antenna. So

to use high power, an= d so achieve=20 high antenna current and ERP, you need

high antenna capacita= nce. Also, the=20 voltage will be increased if the antenna

loss resistance is lo= w. I found=20 that, with an 10m high inverted L antenna of

about 50m of wire in= total, I could=20 run 1.2kW reliably, provided care was

taken to eliminate sh= arp ends,=20 narrow spacings, etc. in the antenna and

tuner. This resulted= in up to 5A=20 antenna current, and about 17kV on the

antenna wire. Even so= , I have to=20 increase the antenna height in order to

approach 1W ERP. At= 500k, the=20 antenna impedance is much lower, and

efficiency also usual= ly higher, so=20 TX power is less of a problem.

 <= /P>

In my experience, DX= contacts using=20 QRSS30 are quite practical, given a

large supply of stron= g coffee! But=20 with longer dot periods, good propagation

does not last long en= ough to=20 complete even a minimal QSO.

 <= /P>

Cheers, Jim=20 Moritz

73 de M0BMU

 <= /P>

 <= /P>

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b=wCpStXON1K9LjVHf26nyLL8/adVnzqWb0ttsRVLUL0EJNxNhxO1HddjYEagozDYU+j WFS+Q9zIeJ4BxWrVsZu/XuH/G8YyPDMi7aeUf0qTjfS6d0Y3rvIWnLW8an0GyG29D09j S55BJZ91hUYoaxFtJsMIkBEZCDDlJFf3pVSNQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.244.83 with SMTP id l19mr132252hbq.202.1260999823151; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:43:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:43:43 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d268.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) We recently installed a commercial, (Procomm) E-field Whip at work for HF monitoring/listening. Its on the roof of the building, about 25m high bolted to a metal rail connected to the building steel structure. But initialialy as an oversight, the ground wire of the whip wasn't connected to the building frame so teh whip was working agains teh braid of the coax.. The lab is inside a huge brand, new metal framed building with just about every modern electrical gadget there is. The crud from about 2000 PCs, air conditioning, building management systems, security locks and alarms etc imposed so much onto the outside of the run of coax going to the roof, there was about 200mV of noise injected and returning down the coax inside, amplified into the Rx. THe ONLY HF signal that could be heard was the BBC from Rampisham, about 40 miles away nearly line of sight. Grounding the antenna to the metal framework of the roof platform, reduced the noise by something like 50dB, and while its still bad, amateurs could be heard on 7MHz. Conclusion, don't install an HF receiving facility on a major industrial-type building. If you need an electrically quiet HF receiving facility, put it in a field in the middle of nowhere. Now, if only our managers could be persuaded of that :-) Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police 2009/12/16 Dave G3WCB : > Hello, Stefan. > > This is very interesting. I have a MiniWhip on a pole some distance from= the > house, and it seems that most of the interference (ADSL hash) seems to= be > re-radiated by the coax outer and picked up by the antenna. > > A relatively short optical link of one or two metres may still reduce th= e > pick-up, as it would break the "copper" connection to the antenna. > > Alternatively, it might be possible to transvert the amplified LF signal= up > to a vhf frequency and then set up a remote RX some distance away. > > You could switch the power on and off by using a pressure switch from a > discarded washing machine connected to the shack by a lenght of 6mm=A0pl= astic > tubing. Apply slight positive pressure to turn on the antenna circuitry! > > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, S.E.=A0England. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Stefan Sch=E4fer > Sent: 16 December 2009 16:51 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals > > Dear Lowfers, > > I want to start a new subject (for me it's new)... > > The last weeks I still had RX problems, either with the tx antenna or wi= th > the short E-flied RX antenna. > > I found out that the noise was/is generated by my notebook which made RX= ing > difficult, even in regions without any else local QRM (what could almost > bring me to shut down the PC and just do nice and easy CW QSOs without > anything else! (but most traffic is in QRSS...)). > > Then I have done mni tests with many many ferrite cores (that I found in= an > older emc lab in our institute), e.g. 20x FT50-77 plus 20x FT50-43 plus= 20x > FT50-61 and e few others. I placed them all in series, partly in the nea= r of > the preamp and/or in the near of the RX. Sure, there was a significant > reduction of noise but lastly the noise remains. > > Accidentally, during a test with my VFO connected to the same 12V supply= of > my preamp, I observed a strong line in the argo monitor EVEN without an > antenna (short wire) connected to the VFO and when turned the amplitude= to > zero! That meant for me, the VFO and its supply is not suppressed enough= and > so some RF comes to the preamp by the coax and supply line! (the preamp= is > supplied by a battery). I thought, I can use this (normally unwanted) > coupling path to test the blocking capability of the ferrite cores and= so I > tried it with all variations and later with an additional BIG ferrite co= re > and many turns of RG174. As I meant, surely there is a significant noise > reduction but the line in argo was still well visible! > > What I have done then (since 4 days) is using a coupling link by an opti= c > transmission of the 137kHz signal between the preamp and my RX using a > SFH750V as the TX Diode and a SFH350 as the RX and abt 20m of a fiber op= tic > cable (yes, there are surely more suited components but these were avail= able > in the moment). These are also used as optic links into high end audio > systems and therefore easy to get... > > Now, when placing the preamp on the same place then during the tests bef= ore > and just changing the coax by the fiber optic cable, the line by the VFO= was > completely gone!! Just with an antenna connected to the VFO and high > amplitude (and thus e real near-field =93connection=94) it came back. Th= e > overall noise level decreased to its absolute minimum during all the tes= ts. > > Before I used this optic cable the only signal that could be received (o= ut > of the city with much much qrm) was DCF39 and DLF and so on. Now, DCF39= came > out with much better SNR and I saw the first LF Stn at all, it was Ossi= / > OE5ODL transmitting his 5s in the evening (tnx! very nice SNR in QRSS3 > mode). > > My conclusion is, that the qrm is always brought to the very sensitive > E-field antenna by the coax, even when doing many usual suppression meth= ods > cause there always remains a residual coupling impedance between both si= des > of the cable. Furthermore a long coax cable, say 20m away from the shack > carries some qrm to the near of the rx antenna so the effective distance= to > the shack is always reduced. > > One small disadvantage of this method is the need for a battery supply.= My > TX diode needs abt 20mA and is now working since 3 days with a 7AH Lead= Acid > battery. In the future I plan to use a stereo optic cable. Then, one cou= ld > switch the preamp on and off by the seconds line doing it the opposite= way. > So, smaller batteries could be used, which is necessary when mounting th= e > preamp to a shaky fiber mast if one does not want to change the batterie= s > each few hours ;-) > > Signal distortion seems to be no problem, as I can confirm until now. > > Now, my K2 has an optical LF input! ;-) > > Perhaps this will give some ideas to the local qrm bothered stns who tri= ed > everything with ferrite cores, isolating transformers and so on without= a > satisfying result. > > NOTE: I do not know if anyone has tried this before and has written a > publication about that. My goal is not to be the hero in inventions, to > become popular and especially not to compete with anyone (like it seems= to > be usual in career/job to be the one who gets the pay rise) but just to > share my ideas to those who are interested to try something new (?). I= do > not say that my solution is the best at all and so on! But, if it will= help > only one Lowfer getting new ideas and improving his station, and if this > improvement results in more activity on the band, then it would have hel= ped > all of us! > > > > > > 73s es 55 de Stefan / DK7FC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd10.mx.aol.com (rly-dd10.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.157]) by air-dd08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD083-ba64b2ca698206; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 05:10:38 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD108-ba64b2ca698206; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 05:10:34 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLwBV-0001Gz-NU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:05:13 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLwBV-0001Gq-5C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:05:13 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s15.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.25]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLwFM-0003EM-4s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:09:13 +0000 Received: from COL122-W12 ([65.55.34.9]) by col0-omc1-s15.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 19 Dec 2009 02:09:01 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 11:09:01 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Dec 2009 10:09:01.0680 (UTC) FILETIME=[49991F00:01CA8093] X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MISSING_SUBJECT=1.345 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_190d2a33-5cb6-4220-a815-bae899bbff84_" Subject: LF: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --_190d2a33-5cb6-4220-a815-bae899bbff84_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_171463d3-82f9-4e5c-b03f-b975b3e37e37_" --_171463d3-82f9-4e5c-b03f-b975b3e37e37_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Warren, LF! I saw your signal this morning. Lubos, OK2BVG =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED infor= mace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_171463d3-82f9-4e5c-b03f-b975b3e37e37_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Warren, LF!
I saw your signal this morning.

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--_190d2a33-5cb6-4220-a815-bae899bbff84_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (rly-mf02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.172]) by air-mf04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF041-9484b2221821c7; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:40:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF026-9484b2221821c7; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:40:04 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ13f-0004Vz-EX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:41:03 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ12z-0004Ve-Mj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:40:21 +0000 Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com ([64.12.100.31]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ12x-000627-BI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:40:21 +0000 Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nBB8cUrj009693 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 03:38:30 -0500 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.cad.5e1959e5 (43906) for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 03:38:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from White (e179164100.adsl.alicedsl.de [85.179.164.100]) by cia-dc07.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC073-ab824b2204fb2f8; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 03:38:20 -0500 Message-ID: <88EEC52E6C874CCEB966804D073A3376@White> From: "Markus Vester" To: References: Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 09:38:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA7A45.ABBAAB30" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,NO_DNS_FOR_FROM autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA7A45.ABBAAB30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF, the passage should have said: Taking into account the path of mutual darkness, this would mean that= all stations should transmit in the UPPER band during their evenings= until local midnight, and then QSY to the lower band for the rest of= the night.=20 Sorry for the confusion. 73, Markus=20 From: Markus Vester=20 Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 12:14 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes Dear LF group, recently we find the "transatlantic waterhole" around 137.777 kHz quit= e busy. Several Europeans have started beaconing within this segment.= And there has been some fast (QRSS3 or 10) activity, with wide traces= covering up possible transatlantic DX signalling frequencies. During the last years, we have attempted to split the frequency bands= for both directions of transatlantic work. Traditional segments were= around 137.777 kHz west-to-east (for Americans transmitting towards= Eu), and around 136.320 kHz east-west (for Eu to stateside). Slow mod= es (QRSS or DFCW, 60 second and longer) were used almost exclusively= there, and several stations were able to successfully cross the pond= in either direction. The situation has become a little more intricate as more stations from= other parts of the world (eg. Asia, China, Japan) are joining the gam= e with sensitive receivers and good signals. But I still think it woul= d be helpful to separate RX and TX bands within each area as much as= possible.=20 My suggestion would be to stick with the east-west versus west-east al= location of the two slots. Taking into account the path of mutual dark= ness, this would mean that all stations should transmit in the lower= band during their evenings until local midnight, and then QSY to the= lower band for the rest of the night. Receiver settings would of cour= se be vice versa. I'm aware that this scheme cannot be perfect and universal. It won't= cover North-South hauls, and would not protect signals during early= or late openings. But it's simple enough, and I believe it would stil= l be very useful. Please don't get me wrong - I do not want to discour= age anyone from putting out a signal, and certainly reject the notion= of anything reminiscent of a "band police". I just think a little coo= rdination may help all of us to be successful on this challenging and= fascinating band. Let me have your thoughts... 73 de Markus, DF6NM http://freenet-homepage.de/df6nm/Grabber.htm ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA7A45.ABBAAB30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear LF,
 
the passage should have said:<= /DIV>
 
Taking into account the path of mutua= l darkness,=20 this would mean that all stations should transmit in the UPPER ba= nd during=20 their evenings until local midnight, and then QSY to the lower band fo= r the rest=20 of the night.
&= nbsp;
Sorry for the confusion.
 
73, Markus= =20

From: Markus Vester
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 12:14 AM
Subject: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes
=
Dear LF group,
 
recently we find the "transatlantic= waterhole"=20 around 137.777 kHz quite busy. Several Europeans have started beaconin= g within=20 this segment. And there has been some fast (QRSS3 or 10) activity, wit= h wide=20 traces covering up possible transatlantic DX signalling=20 frequencies.
 
During the last years, we have a= ttempted=20 to split the frequency bands for both directions of transatl= antic=20 work. Traditional segments were around 137.777 kHz west-to-e= ast (for=20 Americans transmitting towards Eu), and around 136.320 kHz east-west= (for Eu to=20 stateside). Slow modes (QRSS= or DFCW, 60=20 second and longer) were used almost exclusively there, and severa= l stations=20 were able to successfully cross the pond in either direction.
 
The situation has become a little mor= e intricate=20 as more stations from other parts of the world (eg. Asia, China,= Japan) are=20 joining the game with sensitive receivers and good signals. But I stil= l think it=20 would be helpful to separate RX and TX bands within each area as much= as=20 possible.
 
My suggestion would be to stick= with the=20 east-west versus west-east allocation of the two slots. Taking in= to account=20 the path of mutual darkness, this would mean that all stations should= transmit=20 in the lower band during their evenings until local midnight, and then= QSY to=20 the lower band for the rest of the night. Receiver settings would=  of=20 course be vice versa.
 
I'm aware that this scheme canno= t be perfect=20 and universal. It won't cover North-South hauls, and would not=20 protect signals during early or late openings. But it's simple enough, and I believe it would st= ill be very=20 useful. Please don't get me wrong= - I do not want=20 to discourage anyone from putting out a signal, and certainly&nbs= p;reject=20 the notion of anything reminiscent of a "band police".= I just=20 think a little coordination may help all of us to be successful= on=20 this challenging and fascinating band.
 
Let me have your thoughts...
 
73 de Markus, DF6NM
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA7A45.ABBAAB30-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (rly-mc03.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.87]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC024-d654b250d4645; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:50:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC035-d654b250d4645; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:50:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJqgr-0004Sx-2Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:48:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJqgq-0004So-LA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:48:56 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJqhL-0004XS-7g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:49:28 +0000 Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091213154927.QLFB27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:49:27 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091213154927.FNIX13254.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:49:27 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:49:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B250D02.733.14E9A34@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC12@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> References: <1260444821.6353.65.camel@vaio3rd>, <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC12@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=0WSUxHMXFWIA:10 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=26arz0xHYuwx9Tws_60A:9 a=R7a7poSOAvNoGjkAtyUEELdpt_4A:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 See my web page: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mike.dennison/index/lf/gallery/dl3zid.htm for an illustration of the difference between QRSS3 and QRSS10 on a marginal signal. Mike, G3XDV ========== > Does anybody know about the "gain" between QRSS3 and QRSS10 or QRSS30? > I mean, if the noise in both cases is equal, how much can I reduce my > tx pwr when switching from qrss3 to qrss10? Or isn't it possible to > give such a relation? And: Was there ever a TA QSO in QRSS3? I am new > on the reflector, sri ;-) > > Stefan / DK7FC > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (rly-dg03.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.87]) by air-dg04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG044-5b24b37770e306; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:03:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG033-5b24b37770e306; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:02:40 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOucU-0002cL-E3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:01:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOucT-0002cC-VK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:01:21 +0000 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOucR-0000vB-2y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:01:21 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsIEAAIFN0tOlKrz/2dsb2JhbACNWwaOeLRYhDME X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,459,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="244925704" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.148.170.243]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2009 15:00:57 +0000 Message-ID: <000901ca8705$619b14a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <003301ca8658$f4935220$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:00:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: Re: MF unid Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01CA8705.6136FBA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CA8705.6136FBA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All now QRT and MGY de g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: LF: MF unid=20 Three UNID stns active on MF PAT, XMAS TEST and IBHE G3KEV ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CA8705.6136FBA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 
All now QRT and MGY
 
de g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Saturday, December 26,= 2009 6:26=20 PM
Subject: LF: MF unid

Three UNID stns active on MF PAT,= XMAS TEST and=20 IBHE
G3KEV
 
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CA8705.6136FBA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db04.mx.aol.com (rly-db04.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.79]) by air-db03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB033-ac04b1ec0d1188; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:10:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB046-ac04b1ec0d1188; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:10:45 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NI7It-0006xO-4n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:09:03 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NI7Is-0006xF-Jm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:09:02 +0000 Received: from mbox2.netikka.net ([213.250.81.203]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NI7Iq-0002ZK-Sa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:09:02 +0000 Received: from tupu.netikka.net (tupu [172.16.83.90]) by mbox2-feedback.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AC894080C4 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:08:55 +0200 (EET) Received: from imp1.netikka.net (imp1.netikka.net [213.250.85.154]) by tupu.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3B3B4B0058 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:08:54 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imp1.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E44DE495BD5 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:08:54 +0200 (EET) Received: from 558602b6.adsl.multi.fi (558602b6.adsl.multi.fi [85.134.2.182]) by imp.netikka.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:08:54 +0200 Message-ID: <1260306534.4b1ec066e02e2@imp.netikka.net> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:08:54 +0200 From: Paul-Henrik To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000a01ca781e$b5393e20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <000a01ca781e$b5393e20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 85.134.2.182 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: LA3EQ received in OH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) LF 08.12.2009 21.57 UTC: LA3EQ received here in Vaasa on 502.5kHz, sending the callsign cyclically= as if in "beacon mode". Varying from Q1 to a Q4 copy in slow but deep QSB. First LA to be received at this QTH on 600m. BR Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ Vaasa / KP03SD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf10.mx.aol.com (rly-mf10.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.180]) by air-mf05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF054-9844b332912f5; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 03:41:02 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF102-9844b332912f5; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 03:40:52 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNjEJ-0006vi-1H for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 08:39:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNjEI-0006vZ-M0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 08:39:30 +0000 Received: from 94-193-52-114.zone7.bethere.co.uk ([94.193.52.114] helo=randomtask.saturley.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNjEG-0002Em-3z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 08:39:30 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (randomtask.saturley.net [192.168.1.1]) by randomtask.saturley.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C98633026D for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 08:39:07 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4B3328FF.1000303@junkshifta.co.uk> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 08:40:31 +0000 From: Simon Newhouse User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-RandomTask-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RandomTask-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-4.263, required 4, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.14, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-MailScanner-From: simon@junkshifta.co.uk X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: LF: saq Christmas transmission X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello group, Has anyone made a recording of the SAQ broadcast this morning ? I thought I had got it only to find that the soft ware was only recording up to 5khz GRRRRRrrr.. That'll teach me to check my settings. Any way the idea was to decode it at my leisure as I'm just learning morse. If any one has a recording that they could post to me I'd be very greatful. Thanks in advance. Simon M0NWY. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.144]) by air-ma08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA082-b5314b38c18c11c; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:32:44 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A2CD9380000F1; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:32:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPGdS-000581-Lc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:31:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPGdS-00057s-94 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:31:50 +0000 Received: from [130.83.156.232] (helo=lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPGdQ-0006Zp-ID for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:31:50 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBSEVleq011205 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:31:47 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:31:47 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:31:46 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AD07@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <58773.51665.qm@web86507.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Thread-Index: AcqG64Qf9ZhDaM5lQO2qEJ4h/8YKTQA3k1nw From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.648;28.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.28.142120 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40904b38c18b76c2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Alan, ;-) No, breakfast was fine like always, perhaps even a little better ;-) What about finbar? Is he still enthusiastic QRV on 137? I have never done= a QSO to EI yet and would be glad to get that in my log! And we both, we also haven=B4t done a try yet ;-) What do you think about the antiparallel diodes as a solution for decoupli= ng, I wrote in the second half of my last report? 73 es HNY! Stefan/DK7FC -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von ALAN MELIA Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Dezember 2009 12:51 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Hi Stefan I hope it does not give you indigestion :-)) Good luck with it.....all LF sites are different so in general require dif= ferent detailed solutions. It seemed generally to be sufficient to de-tune= the unused antenna to reduce the interaction to low levels. Best Wishes for Dx in the New Year Alan G3NYK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd10.mx.aol.com (rly-dd10.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.157]) by air-dd05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD053-b9f4b20db72297; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:29:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD101-b9f4b20db72297; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:28:52 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIhBm-0001PF-KY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:28:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIhBm-0001P6-2o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:28:06 +0000 Received: from web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.128]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIhBl-0002Bd-2q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:28:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 87896 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Dec 2009 11:27:59 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1260444479; bh=qAzuRNsdqhjRy/C23tGorFCbr3ZJ0CBNTnYwNKcV17k=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fv36RdW3F0pAbN6n4ndPBP+dhrXPeXGUOMQsIKgbGYIrJjavccd055MyhERdXyPonTG2TgTc4w6Kfuwmwtxmd+pdXhPddCKJxefUf+IsZVF2IERYM3MWubBnLGKjD/suL0+9BqFmlwTATcWL69XxDvuJ59zDNaZTURxqE+JXJE4= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=e72DlOAOe9JlgOd6BH86RxGjmy28dckGtBUR8f6h+M0EJ5i+E+NGcsFuOWkWyoIO1pvYY2m97voWakdO0ztMH80k5Sc+t5SFTzkReZH31xPe9EjcjqAAUdTkXktOZaqXCq5CVhbWo7JTu88EYd9j+yI7D1SGjvhZEjkEiusgXco=; Message-ID: <241919.87622.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: d3VsInoVM1nESPn8m85gX0.Yte6BQvyjqa5GjKr1qFFFO5IEJQOlCmBnvcyzWF8GtP2e4D..InO.BoCS3L.0hFNMsDPY7mvh5L2vjcZFAIclgk4xa.WTjIrrMW3E7PyTLVYL8QjwQBqbL4gFAiPW5m9R2EfK_OdEGp5QBuwmYJGmxSp_DJDgfF66dK7n4Zzd7pS.0wJwYkeuSVYX84KSg0FGWfuXA_w1dVA1_Hl5b6h5x_LFlxcca4ki_obaEU0TDnKBY10FM60TAAKLEG24kZ1F4VncJQ4GhDbxvEmGPVJJW1LJc_h9bO9rODB4hQh0G8k- Received: from [213.122.53.240] by web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:27:59 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:27:59 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<< Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m232.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass Hi Roger yes you are right of course its the drift within a qso period or= even an over that is most important. Very Good. I wonder whether the use of 10MHz as an "IF" would be a possibility? This= would allow readily available TCXOs or even OCXOs to be used for the LO.= I guess the split should be enough to allow your filter/diplexor to work.= It obviously only removes one source of drift, one cant do much about the= 817, but that also should be less at 10MHz? Alan G3NYK --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Roger Lapthorn wrote: > From: Roger Lapthorn > Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<< > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 23:27 > With the transverter "in the > open" (rat's nest) on the desktop there is a > warm-up drift of about 40Hz HF until things settle down. > This has not been an issue with WSPR as the drift in a > single TX slot is only about 1-2Hz usually (WSPR copes with > this) and it soon settles down to 0Hz drift. I have not > tried QRSS but imagine you'd have to ensure the xtal > oscillator is made more thermally stable for v.slow QRSS, > but would guess it would be OK for some moderate QRSS > operation. Putting the whole unit in a box should help. >=20 >=20 > My little circuit works, but is surely capable of much > improvement, HI. >=20 > 73s > Roger G3XBM >=20 > 2009/12/9 ALAN MELIA >=20 > Sounds good Roger and Graham... > what it the stability like the problem with > transverters/upconverters normally is that while ok for some > modes they are often not stable enough for the very weak > signal modes. These are modes where you need to know the > frequency of a station very accurately because you will not > hear it, or it will only pop above the noise for short > periods. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Alan G3NYK >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Graham > wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > > From: Graham >=20 > > Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter > >>DATA MODES<< >=20 > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >=20 > > Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 22:13 >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > All >=20 > > >=20 > > This latest >=20 > > addition to the >=20 > > HF / MF tx convertor opens the door >=20 > > to data >=20 > > communications on 500 ... ranging from >=20 > > 'all' the K1JT systems >=20 > > through to the single carrier >=20 > > multi tone >=20 > > systems of >=20 > > MFSK , DOMINO and THOR .. even >=20 > > the almost >=20 > > forgotten Amtor-arq and Packtor modes , anyone >=20 > > still have >=20 > > there pk232 >=20 > > >=20 > > listed are >=20 > > data modes that may be used with >=20 > > non-linear systems :- >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/meat-grinder-comms >=20 > > >=20 > > G.. >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > From: Roger >=20 > > Lapthorn >=20 > > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 12:20 AM >=20 > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX >=20 > > transverter >=20 > > >=20 > > Dear All, >=20 > > >=20 > > My WSPR tx up-converter has now been modified to >=20 > > a full TX/RX tranverter suitable for WSPR, QRSS and >=20 > > CW in a >=20 > > very simple way, making use of the FT817 split >=20 > > facility which allows you >=20 > > to RX on 500kHz and TX on 28MHz. By adding a series > LC >=20 > > between the TX PA and the >=20 > > FT817 input/output RF connection (with back-to-back > diodes >=20 > > at the L and C >=20 > > junction, this allows "pass through" from > the >=20 > > 500kHz ATU to the FT817 on RX >=20 > > (tuned to 500kHz). On TX, the diodes conduct and the C > part >=20 > > is in parallel with >=20 > > the first cap in the TX low pass filter. This scheme > is now >=20 > > working really well >=20 > > with good RX sensitivity and no change in TX power > out. >=20 > > >=20 > > Schematic of the >=20 > > transverter is on my blog at http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >=20 > > . My >=20 > > attempt to add it as an attachment to an email here > earlier >=20 > > failed. >=20 > > >=20 > > This more or less concludes my 500kHz experimenting, > apart >=20 > > from >=20 > > getting a few more CW QSOs in the log. It's been > great >=20 > > fun all the way with lots >=20 > > of support from folks here. I was going to try 136kHz, > but >=20 > > think I will now give >=20 > > this a miss for now. >=20 > > >=20 > > 73s >=20 > > Roger G3XBM >=20 > > -- >=20 > > >=20 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ >=20 > > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >=20 > > G3XBM >=20 > > GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > ------------------------------------------------------------- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk >=20 > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc01.mx.aol.com (rly-mc01.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.85]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC024-d574b30a17d10f; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 05:38:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC017-d574b30a17d10f; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 05:37:51 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NN217-0005SI-U2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:31:01 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NN217-0005S9-Hd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:31:01 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.30]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NN26g-00023n-5T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:36:48 +0000 Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl (dovemail14.xs4all.nl [194.109.26.16]) by smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBMAaVam060486 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:36:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Received: from 82.161.81.65 (SquirrelMail authenticated user pa0rdt) by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:36:44 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <678FAD4478574A8682D9BDE7D982EE11@lindavideo> References: <678FAD4478574A8682D9BDE7D982EE11@lindavideo> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:36:44 +0100 From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.18 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: PA0RDT Mini-Whip Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Ken, Coupling to other antennas is very light, so the position you mentioned is no problem I think. It needs a little height to work proberly, the minimum is about 3 metre. Coaxial cable length is no problem. I have had reports using lenght's up to 100 m. Depending on the length of the cable inside the house, local noise from the house will travel along the braid of the coax up to the antenna. To get rid of it, it is best to ground the shield of the cable at the bottom of the mast or before it enters the house. I use both methods, which results in a very low noise floor, though the antenna is only 6 metre from the house. Vegatation does not need to be a problem either; mine is mounted up the stem of a magnolia tree! I hope this helps. Best regards, Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (rly-mb01.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.154]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB051-cea4b1c0e8af2; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:05:43 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB016-cea4b1c0e8af2; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:05:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHNLN-0005k9-NN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:04:33 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHNLN-0005k0-3W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:04:33 +0000 Received: from warsl404pip1.highway.telekom.at ([195.3.96.112] helo=email.aon.at) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHNLL-00026f-5w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:04:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 30498 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2009 20:04:25 -0000 Received: from 91-115-29-63.adsl.highway.telekom.at (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([91.115.29.63]) (envelope-sender ) by smarthub92.highway.telekom.at (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 6 Dec 2009 20:04:25 -0000 From: Gerhard Hickl To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Disposition-Notification-To: gerhard.hickl@aon.at Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:04:24 +0100 Message-ID: <1260129864.2455.25.camel@gerhard-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Better Picture Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Sorry but I couldn't manage to include a better picture into my previous mail. There seems to be a limit upon 30kB or something. Here's a link to a better picture: http://www.hickl.at/oe3ghb/OE3GHB%20Antenna.jpg 73 OE3GHB Gerhard From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db04.mx.aol.com (rly-db04.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.79]) by air-db09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB092-abf4b1c01d5325; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 14:11:43 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB045-abf4b1c01d5325; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 14:11:18 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHMUq-0005Us-0t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:10:16 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHMUp-0005Uj-4e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:10:15 +0000 Received: from defout.telus.net ([199.185.220.240]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHMUm-0001s0-Ga for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:10:15 +0000 Received: from edtnaa03.telusplanet.net ([75.157.155.160]) by priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091206190509.NKMA760.priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net@edtnaa03.telusplanet.net> for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 12:05:09 -0700 Received: from [192.168.1.67] (d75-157-155-160.bchsia.telus.net [75.157.155.160]) by edtnaa03.telusplanet.net (BorderWare Security Platform) with ESMTP id 72A480E163C0A480 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 12:05:08 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <4B1C0064.5060009@telus.net> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:05:08 +0000 From: Scott Tilley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4B1B4301.8090909@telus.net> <000b01ca7667$fdf3e8d0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <4B1BFA65.3010900@telus.net> In-Reply-To: <4B1BFA65.3010900@telus.net> X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: Re: TIL Grabber status... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Oh and I forgot to add when I choose the call TIL it has a nice rhythm in CW... Scott Tilley wrote: > No, Canadian hams choose a call sign of their liking based on what's > not is use. I choose mine based on my last name some 25 years ago > when I passed the advanced exam. > > My other call is VA7LF... > > I take it there is no differentiation between those in the UK with > personality disorders and those without it in your callsign system? > > Regards, > Scott > > > mal hamilton wrote: >> Scott >> I work mostly VE stns with a two letter suffix, is a three letter >> suffix a >> Novice licence? >> de Mal/G3KEV >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Scott Tilley" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 5:37 AM >> Subject: LF: TIL Grabber status... >> >> >> >>> Hi Gentlemen and Mal >>> >>> I've been tweaking the grabber some more and found that there where >>> some >>> bugs when viewing it with Microsoft IE (which I don't use for this and >>> many other reasons...) Now fixed. >>> >>> Also the DCF39 grabber has entered a stable data gather mode. A weekly >>> animation of the daily plots will now be provided. Anyone >>> interested in >>> raw data should drop me a line off list. >>> >>> Any suggestions? Please let me know... >>> >>> As usual the grabber is running 24/7 in the 2200m watering hole with >>> both a 60sec and 120sec dot screen... >>> >>> 73 Scott >>> VE7TIL CN89dk >>> http://www3.telus.net/sthed/argo/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME021-9ca4b2406d91e7; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:10:55 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME076-9ca4b2406d91e7; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:10:50 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJZDR-0003qc-N5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:09:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJZDR-0003qT-8G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:09:25 +0000 Received: from warsl404pip6.highway.telekom.at ([195.3.96.89] helo=email.aon.at) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJZDY-0002YR-Ig for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:09:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 29625 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2009 21:09:26 -0000 Received: from 188-23-181-147.adsl.highway.telekom.at (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([188.23.181.147]) (envelope-sender ) by smarthub95.highway.telekom.at (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 12 Dec 2009 21:09:25 -0000 From: Gerhard Hickl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <000a01ca7b61$96bd6840$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <000a01ca7b61$96bd6840$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 22:09:25 +0100 Message-ID: <1260652165.2394.22.camel@gerhard-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 137.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Mal! Tnx for your report! I just was about running some test overnight when I blew the buffer-stage of my VFO. So maybe I will be able to transmit again tomorrow. I'm trying to improve my station, regarding antenna performance and handling. Today I archived about 200W of antenna input. That means a 6db gain for me, I just had 50W before! I haven't had the chance to test the TX with the 200W in the mode QRSS60 by now but I will try to run this test tomorrow on the dummy and I will watch the temperatures closely. TNX ES GL OE3GHB Gerhard m Samstag, den 12.12.2009, 19:30 +0000 schrieb mal hamilton: > HB9ASB and OE3GHB going strong on 137.7 kcs at present. > I have worked both before therefore I am not calling. Looking out for > DX > MAL/G3KEV > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc05.mx.aol.com (rly-mc05.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.89]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC024-d764b35073d2ac; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:41:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC056-d764b35073d2ac; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:41:02 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOF51-0003Nd-Ql for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 18:40:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOF51-0003NU-Fl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 18:40:03 +0000 Received: from smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOF4z-000290-Nw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 18:40:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 87290 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2009 18:39:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Importance:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To; b=vLfOxXQ14Lg83VPFLAdCwRuq/ttbFUldWSuMtweR/OUYCP4tkbBBanGMxqwpUREa6UbBe/e3rTvc0b0fYKtmH2INsYotLz1eE40/0dzkG65INToDIN1M4lDVAbIabymWf4k2vi2HLFV0Ifv45VAhZSEetBX6NoJMBgErn6Qajb4= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@81.154.14.207 with login) by smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2009 18:39:55 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: JSvqNSWswBBXc9Mk_Vd71RtGz2bViJtuZMADdmi78eLqBj_R7.fL X-YMail-OSG: T071_u0VM1mOwaXFMMr7d.1pGM4KDffm1SsauG.OTunYspghnF45Y8z0WNRIgglNL3.MxHmGjQ_nj9Pqe8cbd5MCbdGC6pAcW7kYHOaeqUp6mzXNa3QEzbopV_IE6ttaaB_3PnUHV6f9ZKVdxAMzn6Aj0lV0.7hSgTI5KKQP_zrc.REdOjVRh1Hfb64wu2Um9yb9T2jLNpVp3dDKiRIWqwjCQZ.W9yhbtqQ9So2NKnv0YYzmHeEv9skagvBCss6C1VVuuPcnjT2pgicA7wKcb_bzwx96hft7.hCQQIg1PfeGeN8MZgjirLHAnvSaINOSiCo- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 18:40:20 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <200912251915030785.46F0EFF3@smtp2.numeo.fr> X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: /P (?) DFCW on 137 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 It's Stefan DK7FC/P in JN49IS, I think. I gave him a call in QRSS and he gave me "T"... 73 and Happy Christmas Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of John RABSON Sent: 25 December 2009 18:15 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: /P (?) DFCW on 137 At 1812z. Heavy QRM/LX. Happy Christmas and peaceful New Year to all. John Rabson F5VLF 58800 Cervon France JN17vg From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma02.mx.aol.com (rly-ma02.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.46]) by air-ma03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA034-8954b257d08c7; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:47:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA027-8954b257d08c7; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:47:21 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJy7x-0002uB-3J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:45:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJy7w-0002u2-Nb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:45:24 +0000 Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.40]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJy8b-0007ZW-7f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:46:06 +0000 Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nBDNjtUD025069 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:45:55 -0500 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.c16.768cab25 (43915) for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:45:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from Black (g229182214.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.229.182.214]) by cia-dc08.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC084-ab8b4b257caf24d; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:45:52 -0500 Message-ID: <47E8873B5C254CA9A406AA345E229ED6@Black> From: "Markus Vester" To: Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:45:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: LF: WSPR 2.0 samplerate Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01CA7C56.C87FC990" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CA7C56.C87FC990 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF, I have recently installed WSPR 2.0 on one older XP machine and found= that decodes were erratic, and the frequency readout was about 10 Hz= high. The reason seems to be that the input samplerate is about 0.6= % low. The output samplerate is however correct. The strange thing is that this samplerate error was not present with= the former version 1.12. I now have the two versions running simultan= eously side by side, on the same machine with the same soundcard. WSPR= 1.12 is producing perfect decodes on the correct frequency, whereas= 2.0 reproducibly shows the described effects. It looks like the new= version somehow accesses the soundcard differently. Has anybody else experienced this? Best 73, Markus, DF6NM ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CA7C56.C87FC990 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear LF,
 
I have recently installed WSPR 2.0 on= one older XP=20 machine and found that decodes were erratic, and the fr= equency=20 readout was about 10 Hz high. The reason seems to be that the inp= ut=20 samplerate is about 0.6 % low. The output samplerate is however=20 correct.
 
 
Has anybody else experienced this?
 
Best 73,
Markus, DF6NM
 
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MAILRELAYINDD084-b924b2e7b8b26e; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:31:25 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NMRP0-0007wT-7Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:25:14 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NMROz-0007wK-Re for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:25:13 +0000 Received: from warsl404pip2.highway.telekom.at ([195.3.96.113] helo=email.aon.at) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NMRTd-0006Q7-IA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:30:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 24117 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2009 19:29:55 -0000 Received: from 91-115-31-228.adsl.highway.telekom.at (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([91.115.31.228]) (envelope-sender ) by smarthub93.highway.telekom.at (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 20 Dec 2009 19:29:55 -0000 From: Gerhard Hickl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4B2E5DDD.19628.1BDFE41@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> References: <4B2E5DDD.19628.1BDFE41@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:29:54 +0100 Message-ID: <1261337394.5621.6.camel@gerhard-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: test this afternoon Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Mike! I had exactly the same problem with overheating and burned wires a week ago. So for this reason I would be interested which kind of "watchdog" you installed. Could you please make the schematic public? I think many of us have concerns about safety when the TX is on while we are sleeping. 73 OE3GHB Gerhard Am Sonntag, den 20.12.2009, 17:24 +0000 schrieb Mike Dennison: > A successful test this afternoon has proved my new safety timer that > cuts off the transmitter if it has been sending continuously for more > than 7 minutes. This gives me more confidence to transmit overnight > (after a worrying overheating incident a couple of weeks ago) and I > will run some night-time beacons as soon as the weather becomes more > reliable - more snow forecast here tonight. > > MIke, G3XDV > ========== > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.201]) by air-mb03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB033-a21e4b39347a26c; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:43:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 820A238000139; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:43:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPOHg-000725-Pw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:41:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPOHg-00071w-FE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:41:52 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.26]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPOHe-0000PF-Mx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:41:52 +0000 Received: from LAPTOP (a83-163-2-28.adsl.xs4all.nl [83.163.2.28]) by smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id nBSMfitm021337 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:41:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from misan@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: From: "M. Sanders" To: Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:41:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 502,55 kHz tonight. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA8817.557E0CF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60c94b39347968d1 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA8817.557E0CF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To All LF / G3KEV? Tonight started listening on 600m and copied slow CW by ear (computer= psu still makes to much noise on 500kHz) 502,55kHz 22:27UTC: G3KEV XGR Please confirm transmission so I'll know I am on the right track impro= ving my station Rx for 500kHz. Kind regards, best 73's, Michael, PC4M =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA8817.557E0CF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To All LF / G3KEV?
 
Tonight started listening on 600m and= copied slow=20 CW by ear (computer psu still makes to much noise= on=20 500kHz)
 
 
502,55kHz 22:27UTC: G3KEV XGR
 
Please confirm transmission so I'll= know I am on=20 the right track improving my station Rx for 500kHz.
 
Kind regards, best 73's,
 
Michael, PC4M
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA8817.557E0CF0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (rly-mg08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.114]) by air-mg01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG011-a274b169bda2bb; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:55:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG081-a274b169bda2bb; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:54:52 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFsSh-0005SE-Cl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:53:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFsSg-0005S5-Pq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:53:54 +0000 Received: from mailout10.t-online.de ([194.25.134.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFsSf-0007Fo-FZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:53:54 +0000 Received: from fwd00.aul.t-online.de by mailout10.t-online.de with smtp id 1NFsSd-000730-00; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:53:51 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.32] (bpdlp-ZJohFz+wr7LX2+i-XUQ9Dq4benyGCVgkmvQRSPikVDJrx68CGouVsa687gYF@[93.211.79.71]) by fwd00.t-online.de with esmtp id 1NFsSC-1UnBEu0; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:53:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de References:<38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To:<38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAF4@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> To: X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 6.08.0003 Date: 02 Dec 2009 16:53 GMT Message-ID: <1NFsSC-1UnBEu0@fwd00.t-online.de> X-ID: bpdlp-ZJohFz+wr7LX2+i-XUQ9Dq4benyGCVgkmvQRSPikVDJrx68CGouVsa687gYF X-TOI-MSGID: 0a126d0b-28c1-48e5-8083-b097bd04ef23 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="__Next_1259772788_Part28__" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --__Next_1259772788_Part28__ Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit Dear Stefan, the wire length of 25 cm of your active antenna corresponds very well to an antenna capacitance of about 2.7pF. The same capacity I have found as an optimum and used in the form of a "pcb area" for my first active antenna using an OP-27 as the active device (cq-DL 5/2007). On the other hand we all do not know the circuitry of the preamp You are using for the active device. OK? 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "Stefan Schfer" schrieb: Hi Mike, Bernd, LF, Thank you very much for your transmission yesterday in the evening! I could do very useful tests and improve my little rx-antenna significantly. I'm not sure if anyone who uses a short E-field active antenna as a rx antenna knows about the dependence of wire length and the height above ground so I want to give a report of the results of my tests yesterday in the dark. Perhaps some others could improve their antenna by these explanations (First I tried to sent the pictures into the mail but the mail size became more than 100kB and so the mail wasnt reflected, as it seems. So I do modify the mail cancelling the Pictures. I put them on my page at qrz.com and those who are interested in the results of my improvements can find them there (at the lower end of the site)) For the first test I tried the active antenna with a wire of 1,4m. The lower end of the wire was abt 2m above gnd (observed signal of G3XDV)(Argo without AGC and RX with fast AGC). There was almost nothing to see. Then, I reduced the wire length to 80cm while the hight above gnd keeping constant. Results were much better as can be seen. Next: 40cm wire length: even much better! Next: 30cm: signal gets lower but qrm also. SNR slightly better. Next: 25cm is the best, as I think. Next: 20cm Signal becomes worse. So, the optimum seems to be at around 2530cm! Next: 20cm in a height of 4m: Signal comes up but noise also. No significant increase of SNR The signals of Ossi/OE5ODL were audible in all the tests and vy gd to cpi. But the signal was too strong to see any differences between the S/N ratios (a Picture is also available). My Conclusion: It seems that a short receiving antenna can bee seen as a capacitive divider out of the capacity between far field and antenna and the capacity between antenna and ground. If the wire length is to much, the input stage becomes nonlinear/goes into saturation. If the height above ground is increased the signal comes up, but not the signal/noise ratio(surely there will be a benefit if such an antenna is placed in a region with heavy local qrm. Then, the height should be increased and the wire length can be decreased). So, one cannot say the more the better talking about the wire length! Its exciting, we can receive our QRP-Signals (compared to HF) over a distance of 100s or 1000s of km with a wire that is 1/10000 Lambda! In comparison, in the 80m band that would be an antenna of 8mm (!) ;-) With this improvement I get new hope for receiving anything out of the city, where my home QTH is I hope this report isnt nerving because of the long text (and pictures) and size. I try to stay always below 100kB. Perhaps some RXs can be improved or Lowfers gets motivated to try such an antenna 73, Stefan/DK7FC PS: Mike, what's your locator? I want to check the distance and take a view to your QTH (on http://f6fvy.free.fr/qthLocator/fullScreen.php everyone can type the searched QTH-Locator and watch the QTH of the received stn). So one can see the distance and the wave travelling path and if the stn in directly at the beach or in the mountains and so on. Vy fine! PPS: I forward this message to Bernd, the constructor of the preamp. I think he doesnt know that the antenna gets even better when reducing the wire length! (tnx Bernd!) --__Next_1259772788_Part28__ Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit T-Online eMail Dear Stefan,

the wire length of 25 cm of your active antenna corresponds very well to an antenna capacitance of about 2.7pF. The same capacity I have found as an optimum and used in the form of a "pcb area" for my first active antenna using an OP-27 as the active device (cq-DL 5/2007). On the other hand we all do not know the circuitry of the preamp You are using for the active device.  

OK?

73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB

"Stefan Schfer" <schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de> schrieb:

Hi Mike, Bernd, LF,

Thank you very much for your transmission yesterday in the evening! I could do very useful tests and improve my little rx-antenna significantly.

I'm not sure if anyone who uses a short E-field active antenna as a rx antenna knows about the dependence of wire length and the height above ground so I want to give a report of the results of my tests yesterday in the dark. Perhaps some others could improve their antenna by these explanations

(First I tried to sent the pictures into the mail but the mail size became more than 100kB and so the mail wasnt reflected, as it seems. So I do modify the mail cancelling the Pictures. I put them on my page at qrz.com and those who are interested in the results of my improvements can find them there (at the lower end of the site))

For the first test I tried the active antenna with a wire of 1,4m. The lower end of the wire was abt 2m above gnd (observed signal of G3XDV)(Argo without AGC and RX with fast AGC). There was almost nothing to see. Then, I reduced the wire length to 80cm while the hight above gnd keeping constant. Results were much better as can be seen.

Next: 40cm wire length: even much better!

Next: 30cm: signal gets lower but qrm also. SNR slightly better.

Next: 25cm is the best, as I think.

Next: 20cm Signal becomes worse. So, the optimum seems to be at around 2530cm!

Next: 20cm in a height of 4m: Signal comes up but noise also. No significant increase of SNR

The signals of Ossi/OE5ODL were audible in all the tests and vy gd to cpi. But the signal was too strong to see any differences between the S/N ratios (a Picture is also available).

 

My Conclusion: It seems that a short receiving antenna can bee seen as a capacitive divider out of the capacity between far field and antenna and the capacity between antenna and ground. If the wire length is to much, the input stage becomes nonlinear/goes into saturation. If the height above ground is increased the signal comes up, but not the signal/noise ratio(surely there will be a benefit if such an antenna is placed in a region with heavy local qrm. Then, the height should be increased and the wire length can be decreased). So, one cannot say the more the better talking about the wire length!

Its exciting, we can receive our QRP-Signals (compared to HF) over a distance of 100s or 1000s of km with a wire that is 1/10000 Lambda! In comparison, in the 80m band that would be an antenna of 8mm (!) ;-)

With this improvement I get new hope for receiving anything out of the city, where my home QTH is

I hope this report isnt nerving because of the long text (and pictures) and size. I try to stay always below 100kB. Perhaps some RXs can be improved or Lowfers gets motivated to try such an antenna

73, Stefan/DK7FC

PS: Mike, what's your locator? I want to check the distance and take a view to your QTH (on http://f6fvy.free.fr/qthLocator/fullScreen.php everyone can type the searched QTH-Locator and watch the QTH of the received stn). So one can see the distance and the wave travelling path and if the stn in directly at the beach or in the mountains and so on. Vy fine!

PPS: I forward this message to Bernd, the constructor of the preamp. I think he doesnt know that the antenna gets even better when reducing the wire length! (tnx Bernd!)

 

 

 
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Mike, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc05.mx.aol.com (rly-dc05.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.34]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC082-b1e4b295682270; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:52:08 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC052-b1e4b295682270; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:52:04 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NL1jX-0001hA-Nj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:48:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NL1jX-0001h0-5i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:48:35 +0000 Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.63]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NL1lW-0007ku-Ir for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:50:41 +0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=H9mx8cEdMOYvHFKrlEwuyHicWadIILZcIRQ+JJDCz3EPnGCAIm3xnRJlHnZPWJGp; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.240.15.186] (helo=ctrask) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1NL1lj-0004eH-Nw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:50:53 -0500 Message-ID: <00c401ca7e99$f5f439c0$5f0ff004@ctrask> From: "Chris Trask" To: References: <572685.58103.qm@web86501.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:50:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: b77fdb70683249914713efb067f9a722239a348a220c26091506c6613dda59607923284e9debb491a7ce0e8f8d31aa3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.240.15.186 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 > > I want to start a new subject (for me it's new)... > > The last weeks I still had RX problems, either with the tx antenna or with > the short E-flied RX antenna. > > I found out that the noise was/is generated by my notebook which made > RXing difficult, even in regions without any else local QRM (what could almost > bring me to shut down the PC and just do nice and easy CW QSOs without anything > else! (but most traffic is in QRSS...)). > > Then I have done mni tests with many many ferrite cores (that I found > in an older emc lab in our institute), e.g. 20x FT50-77 plus 20x FT50-43 plus > 20x FT50-61 and e few others. I placed them all in series, partly in the near of > the preamp and/or in the near of the RX. Sure, there was a significant reduction > of noise but lastly the noise remains. > <> You've done fairly well in reducing the noise that is conducted through your power supply lines, but the inband noise being induced into the antenna and then into the receiver is not going to be quite as simple, as you seem to have learned thus far. I'm going to assume, for the moment, that you are dealing with impulse noise coming from your laptop and elsewhere. I've had to deal with a similar problem at HF frequencies resulting from what is very likely faulty sodium vapour street lights near where I live, and more than just one. That sent me into the literature of noise reduction, and I came up with the following for dealing effectively with reducing impulse noise prior to the receiver: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/Paper020.html Chris From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da09.mx.aol.com (rly-da09.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.83]) by air-da09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA093-a8d4b260f7a7c; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 05:12:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA095-a8d4b260f7a7c; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 05:12:12 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NK7sg-0000FP-5W for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:10:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NK7sf-0000FG-Q8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:10:17 +0000 Received: from psmtp12.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.24]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NK7tU-0002J5-Qu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:11:11 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp12.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KUN008ON0AOR9@psmtp12.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:11:13 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:11:08 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <692957D07C0747B7A101342450FD1D90@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RA3YO 13-12.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Hi7QlbxuM0NkYsBAUgcqaQ)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --Boundary_(ID_Hi7QlbxuM0NkYsBAUgcqaQ) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_uO2hdjulgNwwYK2yR1nx4Q)" --Boundary_(ID_uO2hdjulgNwwYK2yR1nx4Q) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi LF, Capture RA3YO Henny pa3cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: RA3YO 13-12.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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hamilton" To: References: <002801ca80dc$639db200$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <57a24ca70912191323q42dc08acr75fcd0cef89cea5@mail.gmail.com> <001201ca80f3$e1077110$0201a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 23:36:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: HOT 500 RX Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 YES EC 958 G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clemens Paul" To: Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:40 PM Subject: Re: LF: HOT 500 RX > > Isn't that RX really an Eddystone 958 with a Hagenuk label ? > > See > http://www.seefunknetz.de/ee430.htm > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Warren Ziegler" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:23 PM > Subject: Re: LF: HOT 500 RX > > > Mal, > > Isn't that RX really an Eddystone 958 with a Hagenuk label ? > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 1:52 PM, mal hamilton wrote: > > Using a marine RX Haghenuk EE 430 at present 10 kcs - 30 mcs. Hot RX on > > 500 kcs > > de G3KEV > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > > > > Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. > Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de > Version: 9.0.717 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.114/2575 - Ausgabedatum: 12/19/09 09:33:00 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (rly-dg11.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.95]) by air-dg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG022-6024b3488c1115; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 04:41:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG113-6024b3488c1115; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 04:41:22 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NO6eq-00020Z-0I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:40:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NO6ep-00020Q-MS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:40:27 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NO6em-0008Ha-SO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:40:27 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09AC54C8044 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:40:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20C4D4C8099 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:40:19 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B348883.1090304@online.fr> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:40:19 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <80706327FC9F4856B3D4088340FE0D71@ns94d01ae4d850> In-Reply-To: <80706327FC9F4856B3D4088340FE0D71@ns94d01ae4d850> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: XGJ last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello LF, Merry Christmas to all ! 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb06.mx.aol.com (rly-mb06.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.164]) by air-mb02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB023-d0f4b269aa98e; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:06:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB063-d0f4b269aa98e; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:06:03 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKH8z-0007VP-Nq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:03:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKH8z-0007VG-CO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:03:45 +0000 Received: from mailout02.t-online.de ([194.25.134.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKHA1-0007hW-Qo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:04:51 +0000 Received: from fwd08.aul.t-online.de by mailout02.t-online.de with smtp id 1NKHA7-0003hl-00; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:04:55 +0100 Received: from e7010 (GvlkbBZUohJFYkGXq3dQDMdWlBXc4F7eXk4c3mKLGFw64eJ03m8ggZi-ev6B2djgNz@[84.147.245.184]) by fwd08.aul.t-online.de with smtp id 1NKH9w-24toOW0; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:04:44 +0100 Message-ID: <000e01ca7cf8$b02ccc60$6402a8c0@e7010> From: "Walter und Marianne Staubach" To: Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:04:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-ID: GvlkbBZUohJFYkGXq3dQDMdWlBXc4F7eXk4c3mKLGFw64eJ03m8ggZi-ev6B2djgNz X-TOI-MSGID: 7bf9a9f4-76ef-467b-a76e-954494b9baba X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: DI2AG QRSS3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA7D01.0FDEF630" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA7D01.0FDEF630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear MF, DI2AG beacon is on air in QRSS3 505.090KHz, but only 0.4W ERP= as usual, as QRO affects my telefone. Sri. 73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA7D01.0FDEF630 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear MF,
      &= nbsp; =20 DI2AG beacon is on air in QRSS3 505.090KHz, but only 0.4W ERP as usual= , as QRO=20 affects my telefone. Sri.
73   Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF
 
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA7D01.0FDEF630-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da08.mx.aol.com (rly-da08.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.82]) by air-da07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA074-a814b26c180149; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:51:57 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA081-a814b26c180149; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:51:46 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKJjR-00010u-7u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:49:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKJjQ-00010l-RF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:49:32 +0000 Received: from mailout.toya.net.pl ([217.113.224.27] ident=postfix) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKJkW-00009m-Hj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:50:42 +0000 Received: from mail.toya.net.pl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC09D2000059F for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:50:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (unknown [10.11.152.246]) (Authenticated sender: unimlyn) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D66952000059D for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:50:52 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B26C14B.6000602@toya.net.pl> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:50:51 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?UGlvdHIgTcWCeW5hcnNraQ==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000e01ca7cf8$b02ccc60$6402a8c0@e7010> In-Reply-To: <000e01ca7cf8$b02ccc60$6402a8c0@e7010> X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG QRSS3// SQ7MPJ Grabber Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000102010704020805080901" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------000102010704020805080901 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Walter und Marianne Staubach wrote: > Dear MF, > DI2AG beacon is on air in QRSS3 505.090KHz, but only 0.4W ERP > as usual, as QRO affects my telefone. Sri. > 73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF > Dear Walter, Lubos, LF Group Recently i managed to launch a simple grabber. It does require some improvements, which i hope, will be done in a forthcoming future. At this moment it covers 505 kHz area so DI2AG and OK0EMW should be visible . I will keep it running till 2330-2400 UTC this evening it is placed at: http://www.toya.net.pl/~mlynarski/ Please, note that the time displayed on "Argo" screen is a local one so one hour must be substracted to get UTC. I will try to switch it on at nearest weekend or upon request Yours, Piotr , sq7mpj qth: Lodz /jo91rs/ --------------000102010704020805080901 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Walter und Marianne Staubach wrote:
Dear MF,
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DI2AG beacon is on air in QRSS3 505.090KHz, but only 0.4W ERP as usual, as QRO affects my telefone. Sri.
73=C2=A0=C2=A0 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF=
=C2=A0
Dear Walter, Lubos, LF Group
Recently=C2=A0 i=C2=A0 managed to launch=C2=A0 a simple=C2=A0 grabber.=C2= =A0 It does require some improvements,
=C2=A0 which i hope, will be done in a forthcoming future. At this moment= =C2=A0 it covers 505 kHz area
=C2=A0so DI2AG and=C2=A0 OK0EMW should be visible . I will keep=C2=A0 it= =C2=A0 running till 2330-2400 UTC this evening
it=C2=A0 is placed at:=C2=A0=C2=A0 http://www.toya.net.pl/~mlynarski/=
Please, note that the time displayed=C2=A0=C2=A0 on "Argo" screen is a loc= al one so=C2=A0 one hour must be substracted=C2=A0 to get=C2=A0 UTC.
I will try to switch it on=C2=A0=C2=A0 at nearest weekend=C2=A0 or upon re= quest

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qth: Lodz /jo91rs/
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--------------000102010704020805080901-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.206]) by air-ma06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA064-b52b4b397910e6; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:35:44 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8307E380000BD; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:35:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPSqh-0007f1-6k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 03:34:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPSqg-0007es-Pz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 03:34:18 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPSqe-0001IT-4C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 03:34:18 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBT3VBeZ002757 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 04:31:11 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 04:34:14 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 04:34:13 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AD0D@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <20091228175004.z90hw4yyw0gg8cwc@webmail6.kuleuven.be> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: AW: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Thread-Index: AcqH3pFejbN/35frTRi3X62/z9pF2AAV2xXQ From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.648;28.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.29.32723 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: AW: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40ce4b39790f7807 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Rik, tnx very much. I will test it and am curious about that! That would of course be even the easiest solution for the RX. In 08/2001, Rudi/DJ2EY has published a bandpass filter (4 LC Filters, loos= e capacitive coupled) in the CQDL. I already thought about building such= one. If one is choosing an attenuation so that the Ls will not be overdri= ven, that could give a fine SNR, better than with a attenuator that even= filters the wanted spectrum? 73, Stefan -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe Gesendet: Montag, 28. Dezember 2009 17:50 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: AW: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Hello Stefan, the problem with "big" antennas for RX is that they overload the =20 receiver and cause IMD effects. Most harmfull is 3rd order IMD and the =20 good thing with an attenuator between antenna and RX is that for every =20 dB attenuation the 3rd order IMD is reduced by 3dB. Therfor you may =20 want to increase attenuation as long as the external noise level is a =20 bit stronger (let's say 3 to 6dB) than the internal (RX) noise level. As long as this is the case the attenuator will not affect the overal =20 RX sensivitity (although you will get little or no s-meter reading), =20 but IMD behaviour will improve by 100dB or more. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (rly-ma06.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.50]) by air-ma02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA021-8b04b251a53258; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:46:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA062-8b04b251a53258; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:46:13 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJrYd-0005vQ-Mm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:44:31 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJrYd-0005vH-9d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:44:31 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJrZD-00042B-Qg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:45:10 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 13 Dec 2009 16:45:01 -0000 Received: from p5DD35FDD.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.211.95.221] by mail.gmx.net (mp043) with SMTP; 13 Dec 2009 17:45:01 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+656d8EB+6PzEUa66lxmdp2xVo6jcMyjyJg8pQe5 CkdPI5cHPikt+f Message-ID: <017201ca7c13$9d053ef0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> <241919.87622.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9afca2640912130305r3acb5e5fs991caaa1115d2255@mail.gmail.com> <6E7638745A1B43168C402CDBB010C2A7@AGB> <007b01ca7c0c$167e7b00$0201a8c0@Clemens04> <014901ca7c0f$2bedf850$0201a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:44:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.53 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: IK1HSS WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Here you are. :-) 2009-12-13 16:38 IK1HSS 0.137753 -3 -1 JN35 0.05 DL4RAJ JN68kj 554 52 It has also been uploaded to the database. So far I'm the most far reporting station with 554km. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marco IK1ODO" To: Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 5:23 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: IK1HSS WSPR > At 17.13 13/12/2009, you wrote: >>Now it's ok. >>I believe you just made a typo before: 136.420 instead of >>136.240 for dial qrg. >>Ur sig was well visible in during the last transmission and will >>surely be decoded >>in the next one,now that I've adjusted everything. >> >>73 >>Clemens >>DL4RAJ > > Sorry for the mistype :-) > > Marco IK1HSS is continuing to send. Let me know. > > 73 - Marco IK1ODO > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG uberpruft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.716 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.105/2561 - Ausgabedatum: 12/12/09 20:39:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc05.mx.aol.com (rly-mc05.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.89]) by air-mc03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC031-d774b1b6d671a2; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 03:38:03 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC057-d774b1b6d671a2; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 03:38:01 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHCbi-00034K-Lo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 08:36:42 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHCbi-00034B-3y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 08:36:42 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHCbg-000748-Fp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 08:36:42 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFF004C8079 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 09:36:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FF094C8078 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 09:36:35 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B1B6D13.70009@online.fr> Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 09:36:35 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: W on 137.779kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Jacek , Laurence , LF I confirm "W" on 137.779 ! I think that it is UA4WPF . Also trace of "Y" on 137.778 , RA3YO ??? 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com a =E9crit : > Also seen here in China, UA4WPF? > > Laurence BY3A KL1 X > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Jacek Lipkowski" > Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 4:12 AM > To: > Subject: LF: W on 137.779kHz > >> Someone is sending W on 137.779 in QRSS120. >> >> Does anybody know who it is? >> >> vy 73 >> >> Jacek / SQ5BPF >> >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db04.mx.aol.com (rly-db04.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.79]) by air-db04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB042-abc4b29f3fb1ff; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 04:04:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB042-abc4b29f3fb1ff; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 04:03:57 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLCDe-0000su-Bj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:00:22 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLCDd-0000sl-PY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:00:21 +0000 Received: from psmtp12.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.24]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLCGJ-0002Dl-SU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:03:10 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp12.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KUS00CN9H4YIK@psmtp12.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:02:59 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:02:40 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: XGJ 17-12.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_9l2TjFSECxFTgHmM+rWNEA)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --Boundary_(ID_9l2TjFSECxFTgHmM+rWNEA) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ktDOlNiDEvz18vUjFfCZsA)" --Boundary_(ID_ktDOlNiDEvz18vUjFfCZsA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello Warren,LF Capture XGJ Henny pa3cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: XGJ 17-12.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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Hello Warren,LF
Capture XGJ
Henny pa3cpm
best 73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
XGJ 17-12.jpg

Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 721NLXinm2272M40; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 08:39:12 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.215.248 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.4] Message-ID: <4B3328AE.3080207@usa.net> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:39:10 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LF Mailing List X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID721NLXinN2272X40 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: SAQ this morning Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Perfect reception of SAQ this morning, together with some signals of unknown origin (see the page below). Screen capture and audio here : http://www.sdradio.eu/SAQ_2009_12_24.html As usual, no radio used, just the mini whip connected to the line input of the Delta 44 sound card. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me05.mx.aol.com (rly-me05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.39]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME062-9b54b3485fc132; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 04:29:48 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME051-9b54b3485fc132; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 04:29:34 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NO6Sq-0001mm-2J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:28:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NO6Sp-0001md-N1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:28:03 +0000 Received: from psmtp04.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NO6Sm-0008Bh-QG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:28:03 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp04.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KV70070GBMGB2@psmtp04.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:27:53 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:27:28 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <80706327FC9F4856B3D4088340FE0D71@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: XGJ 25-12.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_gzhl3JrM+1urki6rWEoQ5g)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/0 --Boundary_(ID_gzhl3JrM+1urki6rWEoQ5g) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_UpPRl3iy+FWwphjRrbiocg)" --Boundary_(ID_UpPRl3iy+FWwphjRrbiocg) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Warren,LF Capture XGJ Henny pa3cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: XGJ 25-12.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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Hi Warren,LF
Capture XGJ
Henny pa3cpm
best 73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
XGJ 25-12.jpg

Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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<38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <346854e9698cbf94f4483c66682bb63b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <001e01ca80b0$392cb0b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:48:35 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d259.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) In which case, mounting it on top of a 20m high steel framed building is like having a 20m whip???? Or does the size of the plane under the active element matter. Our works one has an antenna platform of a few metres square of metal grid which itself is a few metres above the roof of the actual building (erected to keep antennas above air conditioning plant and safety walls) Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police 2009/12/19 : >> I think the role of the ground with active whips is often neglected -= the >> output of the whip preamp is the voltage differential between the whip >> element and the circuit ground, so the ground connection is just as muc= h >> part of the antenna as the whip element itself is. > > That's an important point that is often overlooked or ignored. A mini wh= ip > mounted up at 5 meters is a 5 meter antenna. You can easily prove this= by > mounting it at ground zero on top of a ground screen. Been there, done= that. > > Jay W1VD =A0WD2XNS =A0WE2XGR > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb08.mx.aol.com (rly-mb08.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.166]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB042-d1e4b18052436a; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:36:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB082-d1e4b18052436a; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:36:22 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGGWO-0003NE-5n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:35:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGGWN-0003N5-Ph for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:35:19 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGGWM-0007QX-Sq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:35:19 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA91051C00D for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 19:35:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92142F3862 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 19:35:04 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 8B9B518056; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 19:35:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from 204.148-182-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (204.148-182-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [91.182.148.204]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:35:04 +0100 Message-ID: <20091203193504.9bpwck4n4gso0k04@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:35:04 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <9afca2640912031004h41c8eb67t8427d65670a634f2@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9afca2640912031004h41c8eb67t8427d65670a634f2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 91.182.148.204 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Skywave on 500kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Roger, I have copied CW signals from the UK in the 1mW range. So 500+ km sould be possible in CW. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Roger Lapthorn : > In the evenings I'm surprised just how good my reports are from > F6CNI some 418kms away near Paris. Last night my 1mW ERP was being > received at 0dB S/N on WSPR and already he's given me -3dB again > tonight. > > If signals are this strong by sky wave, how much further could I > reasonably expect to get? SM6BHZ and GM4SLV have heard me > (850-950kms), but can I (reasonably) expect much further? What is > the typical attenuation on each ground reflection for multiple hops > over water and over land? > > BTW, still not on 136kHz yet. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg05.mx.aol.com (rly-dg05.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.89]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG064-5c54b20f9312bc; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:35:55 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG052-5c54b20f9312bc; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:35:47 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIjAC-0002Xp-IZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:34:36 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIjAC-0002Xg-3z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:34:36 +0000 Received: from smtp824.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.234]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIjA9-0000Rh-Mc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:34:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 21398 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2009 13:34:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Importance:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=Jmo/KM5dL5jJPAG0rfLVtZw80gNSkHHT9mQhk7ZNY74lgyCAy+ev9xVByouSf7jZBVwukE3nGlCiPAryXAaygP2qDiCvs0gFgYH1ROcFlk+Ao+Bqy/YTNwB8AqSEQbttGJJ7bWfabBSKeTqZ/NDkqgv30hegg2oEznnR1MFgDf0= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Inspiron) (hudsonville@86.128.232.252 with login) by smtp824.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2009 13:34:28 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: T9P8HheswBCXVWXq3ajpBY99bVSvRxQZ2abOUyeQ53_fqQzzpx0V X-YMail-OSG: vrJMHcEVM1mF69Nk5vGx9qK.ZqVI0Vy049wHWioanO47n0DLbh51MTJcXFPwzTPSw2dFF_ZJSn_TcCKoGuZ9MKaAWh2_ydb4UCMpipAbp1EkG1WGBj_zWyDE7ODeYz99laQ5ilUf4J0a4M0RRDk7NwQ_O0oOtXIgOAvmvPk50MSd6zHB.mWnuoyYAARl5_KRPgdvCu.Bdo1yGRYVxaecLst2E3tX8pqV4bTmnQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Lee Hudson" To: Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:34:28 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: Acp5nX7Nc0N/KpMQTquD8zuY1WA5vw== DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: SAQ in IO93gx Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01CA799D.7F9D44C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_70_80, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CA799D.7F9D44C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jay, LF Group, This was how the message sounded from here. http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/SAQ%2020091210%200800utc%20Message.MP3 Size 3.7Mb, Duration 16 minutes. 73, Lee M0LMH. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CA799D.7F9D44C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Hi= Jay, LF=20 Group,
 
This= was how the=20 message sounded from here.
 
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Size 3.7Mb,= Duration 16=20 minutes.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CA799D.7F9D44C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (rly-dc03.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.32]) by air-dc09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC094-b114b16cdee2bd; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:28:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC035-b114b16cdee2bd; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:28:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFvnW-0007b3-Hi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:27:38 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFvnW-0007au-3d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:27:38 +0000 Received: from mx01.infotech.at ([213.174.240.1]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFvnT-0008Cj-Sf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:27:38 +0000 Received: from [213.174.255.25] by mx01.infotech.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFvnS-0005pt-QB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:27:34 +0100 Message-ID: <4B16CD94.4050301@inext.at> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:27:00 +0100 From: Oberreiter Oswald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <254102CCC310104CA9DA9DA31EBD03CE02CEB57D58@exlnmb06.eur.nsroot.net> In-Reply-To: <254102CCC310104CA9DA9DA31EBD03CE02CEB57D58@exlnmb06.eur.nsroot.net> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: OE3GHB on 137KHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) hallo marco! oe3ghb sendet auf 137.685 oe5odl auf 137.7125 servus marco 73 de ossi oe5odl Scholz, Marco schrieb: > Hello, > Good copy of OE3GHB around 137.712KHz. > Weak copy of Mike, XDV on 136.310KHz. > > vy73 > Marco > DD7PC, JN49ax > FT857,Preamp and Miniwhip From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de05.mx.aol.com (rly-de05.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.141]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE012-4d44b194baf27a; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:49:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE051-4d44b194baf27a; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:49:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGcH1-0000ao-Hb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:48:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGcH1-0000af-3i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:48:55 +0000 Received: from col0-omc1-s16.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.26]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGcGz-00064f-71 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:48:55 +0000 Received: from COL122-W23 ([65.55.34.8]) by col0-omc1-s16.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:48:45 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 18:48:45 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4B193C13.7060400@usa.net> References: <001e01ca74ec$b9770790$6402a8c0@e7010>,<4B193C13.7060400@usa.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2009 17:48:45.0579 (UTC) FILETIME=[06AFD5B0:01CA750A] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=0.627,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_2d8fe484-61fe-4f2e-91de-878ef7d33f9c_" Subject: RE: LF: Activity on 500 kHz X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --_2d8fe484-61fe-4f2e-91de-878ef7d33f9c_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_384d80f4-9f9a-41e8-9273-b71fffa6c8a7_" --_384d80f4-9f9a-41e8-9273-b71fffa6c8a7_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Alberto, LF! Thanks for very nice pictures. It is good to know, that my bacon=B4s signa= l was visible in Italy this afternoon. 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:42:59 +0100 From: dibene@usa.net To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Activity on 500 kHz =20 =20 Some activity recorded on the 500 kHz band this afternoon. DI2AG : DI2AM in QRSS3 OK0EMW in QRSS3 at 505091 Hz (abt) in JN88ks (some QSB...) 73 Alberto I2PHD =20 _________________________________________________________________ Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9= =ED informace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_384d80f4-9f9a-41e8-9273-b71fffa6c8a7_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Alberto, LF!
Thanks for very nice pictures. It is good to know,= that my bacon=B4s signal was visible in Italy this afternoon.

73!<= br>
Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

Date: Fri, 4= Dec 2009 17:42:59 +0100
From: dibene@usa.net
To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org
Subject: LF: Activity on 500 kHz

=20 Some activity recorded on the 500 kHz band this afternoon.

DI2AG :

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DI2AM in QRSS3

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OK0EMW in QRSS3   at 505091 Hz (abt) in JN88ks

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ESMTP id MAILINDC022-b1a4b296cf2357; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:27:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC046-b1a4b296cf2357; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:27:48 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NL3EA-0003LQ-4m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:24:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NL3E9-0003LH-Kk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:24:17 +0000 Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.39]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NL3GC-0008Ly-Ef for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:26:26 +0000 Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nBGNQeSe021075 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:26:40 -0500 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id l.cf5.64c57ee7 (56026) for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:26:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from White (g229082182.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.229.82.182]) by cia-md07.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD078-dada4b296ca735f; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:26:32 -0500 Message-ID: <88506FB5C82F4AF39A1AA573022A750B@White> From: "Markus Vester" To: References: Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:26:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MarkusVester@aol.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: China QRT Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01CA7EAF.94531590" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01CA7EAF.94531590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Laurence, thanks again for setting up that excellent listening post in China! It= was certainly most rewarding and stimulating for many of us over here= . We wish you a safe trip, and a good time when you come home. 73, Markus (DF6NM) From: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:19 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; lowfer@mailman.qth.net ; 500kc@500k= c.com=20 Subject: LF: China QRT Gents - just pulled the power from the receivers and they are being pa= cked. All China snappers are now QRT. The Alaskan receiver is still sitting on 600m http://www.kl1x.com/alas= ka.html and will stay where it is till I get to AK next week. There is bad wx up there and power outages and heavy snow is making li= fe interesting. 73 from a not so warm China. Laurence KL 1 X in BY3A ...-.- ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01CA7EAF.94531590 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Laurence,
 
thanks again for setting up = ;that=20 excellent listening post in China! It was certainly most rewarding and= =20 stimulating for many of us over here.
 
We wish you a safe trip, and a= good time when=20 you come home.
 
73, Markus (DF6NM)
 
 
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:19 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; lowfer@mailman.qth.net ; 500kc@500kc.com
Subject: LF: China QRT
=
Gents - just pulled the power from the recei= vers and=20 they are being packed. All China snappers are now QRT.
 
The Alaskan receiver is still sitting on 600= m http://www.kl1x.= com/alaska.html =20 and will stay where it is till I get to AK next week.
 
There is bad wx up there and power outages= and heavy=20 snow is making life interesting.
 
73 from a not so warm China.
 
Laurence KL 1 X in BY3A   ...-.-
 
------=_NextPart_000_0017_01CA7EAF.94531590-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.132]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF063-5ef84b39eeeb11d; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 06:58:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D3F5C380000E0; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 06:58:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPahw-0000Du-Mw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:57:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPahw-0000Dj-8u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:57:48 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.29]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPahu-0003Fl-Ei for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:57:48 +0000 Received: from LAPTOP (a83-163-2-28.adsl.xs4all.nl [83.163.2.28]) by smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id nBTBvjDZ042518 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:57:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from misan@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <92359923C87048F2AA8B43BF7863DE37@LAPTOP> From: "M. Sanders" To: References: <1BCA5076F8C144B0957BD8853BEA599A@LAPTOP> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:57:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Stations on 505kHz last night. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01CA8886.7E259D70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40844b39eeea7044 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CA8886.7E259D70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Lubos and all LF, Thank you, for the info, positively confirm hearing your signals: Also= copied 88 on QRSS by ear and stopped copy there since 88 in a callsig= n or QSO did not make sense to me at the time. Don't mind the exact frequency, did receive all signals within a >500H= z filter bandwith and could not yet 'zero beat' on a waterfall dispaly= with my signal source+counter to check. Hope to improve Rx soon, experience al lot more noise around 500kHz th= an on 137kHz, who has similar experience / suggestions? Kind Regards, Best 73's, Michael, PC4M ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lubos OK2BVG=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 12:35 PM Subject: RE: LF: Stations on 505kHz last night. Hello Michael, LF! OK, DI2AM is on 505.180kHz. I don=B4t know, who is on 505,030kHz, bu= t my beacon OK0EMW is on 505,060kHz. It transmit a text:=20 "Beacon OK0EMW JN88KS" . These letters "KS" might be "XS", which you= listened. You can try to listen my beacon signal next night. 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- From: misan@xs4all.nl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 09:07:43 +0100 Subject: LF: Stations on 505kHz last night. To DI2AM and all LF Good morning all, also copied by ear two transmissions just above 50= 5kHz last night. 29-12-2009 00:50utc 505.20kHz DI2AM, QRSS3 and plain CW. 29-12-2009 01:00utc 505.03kHz QRSS3? and plan CW ...XS...? Please confirm DI2AM is ok and give a clue who could be the other st= ation. Kind Regards, Michael (Mike) / PC4M ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- Nov=E1 Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Da= l=B9=ED informace.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CA8886.7E259D70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Lubos and all LF,
 
Thank you, for the info, positively confi= rm hearing=20 your signals: Also copied 88 on QRSS by ear and stopped copy there&nbs= p;since 88=20 in a callsign or QSO did not make sense to me at the time.=
 
Don't mind the exact frequency, did recei= ve all=20 signals within a >500Hz filter bandwith and cou= ld not=20 yet 'zero beat' on a waterfall dispaly with my signal source= +counter=20 to check.
 
Hope to improve Rx soon, experience al lo= t more=20 noise around 500kHz than on 137kHz, who has similar experien= ce /=20 suggestions?
 
Kind Regards, Best 73's,
 
Michael, PC4M
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Lub= os OK2BVG=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 29,= 2009 12:35=20 PM
Subject: RE: LF: Stations on= 505kHz last=20 night.

Hello Michael, LF!
OK, DI2AM is on 505.180kHz. I= don=B4t know,=20 who is on 505,030kHz, but my beacon OK0EMW is on 505,060kHz. It tran= smit a=20 text:
"Beacon OK0EMW JN88KS" . These letters "KS" might be "XS",= which you=20 listened.  You can try to listen my beacon signal next=20 night.
73!
Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

From: misan@xs4all.nl
To:= rsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep.org
Date:=20 Tue, 29 Dec 2009 09:07:43 +0100
Subject: LF: Stations on 505kHz= last=20 night.

To DI2AM and all LF
 
Good morning all, also copied by ea= r two=20 transmissions just above 505kHz last night.
 
29-12-2009 00:50utc 505.20kHz DI2AM= , QRSS3 and=20 plain CW.
29-12-2009 01:00utc 505.03kHz QRSS3= ? and plan CW=20 ...XS...?
 
Please confirm DI2AM is ok&nbs= p;and give a=20 clue who could be the other station.
 
Kind Regards,
 
Michael (Mike) / PC4M
 
 
 

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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CA8886.7E259D70-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb09.mx.aol.com (rly-mb09.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.167]) by air-mb03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB031-d284b1d44522c8; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:07:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB094-d284b1d44522c8; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:07:18 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHhxf-0002oU-Mg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:05:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHhxe-0002oL-Pc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:05:26 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHhxd-0006I6-7j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:05:26 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 07 Dec 2009 18:05:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO Uwe) [188.194.84.187] by mail.gmx.net (mp044) with SMTP; 07 Dec 2009 19:05:17 +0100 X-Authenticated: #9373712 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX190JxYBIG9048JKDVKOjn9v/f3IzDW00jeENoh6Yp decWU8K5OiH4+T Message-ID: From: "Uwe Wensauer" To: Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:05:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.49,0.49 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.6 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: DDH47 last call Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01CA7770.3719CA40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01CA7770.3719CA40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Special Event : 100 years Nobel Prize Prof. Braun & Marconi On 10th of December 1909 Prof. F. Braun and G. Marconi received Nobel= Prize for Physics at Stockholm. Both gentlemen were honored for their developments in the= field of wireless communication. On the 100th anniversary of this occasion the Prof. Braun Day (DL0PFB)= makes a special transmission with the longwave transmitter DDH47 (147,3 kHz) of Nation= al Weather Service Deutscher Wetterdienst. On the night before Nobelday (9. December 2009) the transmitter is ava= ilable for 2 hours ( 23 - 01 UTC). All people are invited to listen to the telegraphic transmissions of= DDH47 und radio amateurs may contact DL0PFB on shortwave in cw only. DL0PFB answers to= calls on the declared frequencies and keys DDH47 sometimes in parallel. During silence periods (h+15-18 and h+45-48) of former maritime radio= service, there is ultra slow keying ( 1 dot in 3 seconds ) for long distance tests. The names= of famous wireless pioniers will be keyed in that time for prove of receiption! Prof. Braun Day issued a special QSL card, contacts are exchanged via= DARC Bureau or direct, when followed certain circumstances: (Deutschland SASE, Europe postage 2 US Dollars, overseas postage 4 US= Dollars, No IRC) Contact: Prof. Braun Day, c/o J. Gerpott, Rebhuhnweg 21, 22880 Wedel,= Germany When: 9. Dezember 2009, 2300 UTC until 10. Dezember 2009, 0100 UTC Transmit : DDH47 147,3 kHz und DL0PFB : ( 3565, 7025, 14052 kHz +/- qr= m), Receive : DL0PFB only shortwave, see above QRS3 : hourly +15 bis +18, and +45 bis +48, ulta slow keying 1 Dot in= 3 Seconds Receiption reports are welcome, especially from overseas ! Internet: www.mmqtc-award.org Link Nobel Version 1.0 nobele.pdf 73 Uwe, DK1kq ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01CA7770.3719CA40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Special Event : 100 years Nobel Prize Prof. Braun &= ;=20 Marconi

On 10th of December 1909 Prof. F. Braun and G. Marconi= received=20 Nobel Prize for Physics at

Stockholm. Both gentlemen were honored for their devel= opments in=20 the field of wireless

communication.

On the 100th anniversary of this occasion the Prof. Br= aun Day=20 (DL0PFB) makes a special

transmission with the longwave transmitter DDH47 (147,= 3 kHz) of=20 National Weather Service

Deutscher Wetterdienst.

On the night before Nobelday (9. December 2009) the tr= ansmitter is=20 available for 2 hours ( 23

- 01 UTC).

All people are invited to listen to the telegraphic tr= ansmissions=20 of DDH47 und radio

amateurs may contact DL0PFB on shortwave in cw only.= DL0PFB=20 answers to calls on the

declared frequencies and keys DDH47 sometimes in paral= lel.

During silence periods (h+15-18 and h+45-48) of former= maritime=20 radio service, there is ultra

slow keying ( 1 dot in 3 seconds ) for long distance= tests. The=20 names of famous wireless

pioniers will be keyed in that time for prove of recei= ption!

Prof. Braun Day issued a special QSL card, contacts ar= e exchanged=20 via DARC Bureau or

direct, when followed certain circumstances:

(Deutschland SASE, Europe postage 2 US Dollars, overse= as postage 4=20 US Dollars, No IRC)

Contact: Prof. Braun Day, c/o J. Gerpott, Rebhuhnweg= 21, 22880=20 Wedel, Germany

When: 9. Dezember 2009, 2300 UTC until 10. Dezember 20= 09, 0100=20 UTC

Transmit : DDH47 147,3 kHz und DL0PFB : ( 3565, 7025,= 14052 kHz=20 +/- qrm),

Receive : DL0PFB only shortwave, see above

QRS3 : hourly +15 bis +18, and +45 bis +48, ulta slow= keying 1 Dot=20 in 3 Seconds

Receiption reports are welcome, especially from overse= as !

Internet:

www.mmqtc-award.org Link Nobel

Version 1.0 nobele.pdf

 

 

73

Uwe, DK1kq

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Brief info at http://english.electronica-pt.com/db/cross-reference.php?ref=3DBTY96 Ken M0KHW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 3:56 PM Subject: LF: DIODE MF Grp Does anyone have spec for a BTY 96 UM or BTY 98. Looks like a Big Am= p carrying device mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA7CF4.D83E5AB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mal.
Brief info at
 
 
Ken
M0KHW
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Monday, December 14, 20= 09 3:56=20 PM
Subject: LF: DIODE

MF Grp
Does anyone have spec for a BTY 96= UM or BTY=20 98. Looks like a Big Amp carrying device
mal/g3kev
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA7CF4.D83E5AB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf03.mx.aol.com (rly-mf03.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.173]) by air-mf07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF071-9514b194894de; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:36:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF037-9514b194894de; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:36:22 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGc3z-0000L2-E8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:35:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGc3z-0000Kt-1g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:35:27 +0000 Received: from mx76.mail.ru ([94.100.176.91]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGc3y-0005uI-Dj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:35:27 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=11747 helo=EFREMOV) by mx76.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NGc3s-0004LY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 20:35:20 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <002001ca7508$26af20c0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: References: <000d01ca74fb$f884b360$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:35:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Whi is MCP? Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Chris, Probably, "CPM"? It could be Henny PA3CPM. 73 Andrey Thanks Mal, what I want to know is who was transmitting 'MCP' in QRSS on approx. 136.518kHz this morning. Nobody seems to know. How are you supposed to find out who these abbreviated callsigns are? Maybe there should be/is a database somewhere?? Sri the 'Whi' in my subject should have been 'Who'. Chris, G4AYT. ----- Original Message ----- From: mal hamilton To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:08 PM Subject: LF: Re: Whi is MCP? Chris All the action every nite is around 137.7 on QRS 3 normally also DFCW and some CW further down the band. Several stns active most nites, lately HB9, OE, OH, EW6, SP and RU etc If u want a QSO look in this area. I am also active especially if there is DX about. mal/g3lev ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris To: RSGB LF Group Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:04 PM Subject: LF: Whi is MCP? Hi All, Can anyone tell me who was sending MCP on approx. 136.518kHz this morning? Thanks. Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (rly-mb01.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.154]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB071-ce54b152cf23ce; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:49:25 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB011-ce54b152cf23ce; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:49:24 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFU1e-0001y9-Qw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:48:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFU1e-0001y0-FW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:48:22 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFU1d-0008CI-Ui for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:48:22 +0000 Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091201144816.IARK17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:48:16 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091201144816.VNLX13254.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:48:16 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:48:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B152CAB.4987.61D1EE@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAC5@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> References: <3FCC9C19DE674B15A385181E7EFC37C1@Black>, <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AAC5@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=PT1iLhJ8TtEA:10 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=-yltNgraEDeAsbJdI4gA:9 a=Nd9bYJC5o5ouvObILk17XBcHbF0A:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: any traffic this evening? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Stefan, I can transmit a QRSS3 beacon for you on 136.318kHz from 1800 to 2100UTC, if you like. Mike, G3XDV ========== > > Will there be any activity this evening? I want to try my RX-Antenna > and need some signals, if possible in QRSS3/DFCW3. If it will, I would > drive to "my" hill and do some tests. It would be at around 19 utc. > > > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (rly-ma06.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.50]) by air-ma04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA042-8b14b244522178; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:36:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA063-8b14b244522178; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:36:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJdMP-0005HP-8x for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 01:34:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJdMO-0005HG-TS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 01:34:56 +0000 Received: from mbox1.netikka.net ([213.250.81.202]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJdMc-0003b3-Ji for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 01:35:11 +0000 Received: from tupu.netikka.net (tupu [172.16.83.90]) by mbox1-feedback.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFD3027182F for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:35:06 +0200 (EET) Received: from imp1.netikka.net (imp1.netikka.net [213.250.85.154]) by tupu.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F0DA4B0058 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:35:06 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imp1.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7D21495BA7 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:35:06 +0200 (EET) Received: from 558602b6.adsl.multi.fi (558602b6.adsl.multi.fi [85.134.2.182]) by imp.netikka.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:35:06 +0200 Message-ID: <1260668106.4b2444caa1b5f@imp.netikka.net> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:35:06 +0200 From: Paul-Henrik To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 85.134.2.182 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: WE2XGR/6 loud and clear in OH on 507.2kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) LF 20091213 0105UTC Copying WE2XGR/6 beacon in normal CW on 507.2kHz, the ID plus space cycle= is about 30 seconds. QSB is evident on the signal, varying from a Q2 to a Q5 copy. Cycle time= is a few minutes. Funnily the NDB "Z" seems to have almost the opposite QSB pat= tern. Received on a low SW-NE peaking delta loop with 4 metre sides into a simpl= e balanced preamplifier using 2 x 2N5109's to an IC-R75 with no CW filter fi= tted. I have been looking in vein for US signals on 600m so many nights only to finally stumble over one by accident just prior to closing the radio... Now 0120UTC and still there, Q5... 0125UTC and switched to the 25:1 wideband matched inverted-L to get rid of= the possibly counterproductive loop antenna directivity: Even better S/N, this= is just amazing. 0131UTC and reaching another QSB peak at Q5. Getting kind of late (early morning) so will have to end here. Once again amazing signals, just like= a 1W ERP EU station at 1500kms or so. Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ Vaasa / KP03SD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md03.mx.aol.com (rly-md03.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.141]) by air-md02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD021-8f24b196669a3; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:43:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD032-8f24b196669a3; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:43:39 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGe2y-0001hQ-OT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:42:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGe2y-0001hH-0q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:42:32 +0000 Received: from mail-ew0-f217.google.com ([209.85.219.217]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGe2x-00074d-04 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:42:31 +0000 Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so1018769ewy.31 for ; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:42:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=J/jKjSzUAac704hPNGqbayGTqq+nzV4BDujXxmc/Ols=; b=LHjo10KuQ7Q8S3yr9UxMLEnMrWRxAjbpCktQtiFHgRsWTHVDDAopjajIbZhe+GIMyy 9g3n3FREsvskzDp4qoInkksuZ8zpRpK6SAPBjfrIWZG7fyL6pjTHesqNZMwKlECVxUTx TvKdAyk7u8zhjdHPxMVK7XBTp1rdxEjSV3D3o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=vwUFGLOjtPeWoFOM9MP48gEPhix8lKa9p0yjk5VthCyCsMzot6mJiLm9QVXDLYfy5s BLwNgdo4S2OGx8mAyCWqk0l0Ca6zRIXIcP78FCeqppC4ai4PQ/Pk1ijWbNfu2Ro0zNmd YC0ysQeQImtvm+0D5rhFj8+0Rw30OIDBktOqk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.109.156 with SMTP id j28mr11024457ebp.79.1259955744786; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:42:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <254102CCC310104CA9DA9DA31EBD03CE02CF20829E@exlnmb06.eur.nsroot.net> References: <254102CCC310104CA9DA9DA31EBD03CE02CF20829E@exlnmb06.eur.nsroot.net> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 20:42:24 +0100 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anton_B=E4rtschi?= To: "Scholz, Marco" , rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: FW: Re: LF: Re: qso Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0ce0425e99cb000479ec4e98 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m220.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --000e0ce0425e99cb000479ec4e98 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable UFB lieber Marco, Danke f=FCr das QSO und ein sch=F6nes Wochenende. 73 de Toni 2009/12/3 Scholz, Marco > Hallo Toni, > vielen Dank f=FCr den Sked. Ich bin mal gespannt. Wetter scheint ja > mitzuspielen. > > Gru=DF, vy73 > Marco, DD7PC > ------------------------------ > *From:* Anton B=E4rtschi [mailto:hb9asb@gmail.com] > *Sent:* 03 December 2009 16:20 > *To:* Scholz, Marco [ICG-IT]; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* Re: Re: LF: Re: qso > > Hallo Marco > Werde ab 20:00 MEZ in QRS3 CQ rufen und nach Dir Ausschau halten. Es w= =FCrde > mich auch freuen, wenn's klappen w=FCrde. > 73 de Toni, HB9ASB > > 2009/12/1 Scholz, Marco > >> Hallo Toni, >> Ich werde am Freitag auch QRV sein. Wuerde mich ueber ein QSO mit dir >> freuen. Waere fuer mich das erste nach HB, aber mein Setup ist recht kl= ein. >> Gruss, 73 >> Marco, DD7PC >> >> ------------------------------ >> *Von*: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org < >> owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> >> *An*: Marcin ; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org < >> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> >> *Gesendet*: Tue Dec 01 19:03:24 2009 >> *Betreff*: Re: LF: Re: qso >> >> Hello Marcin >> Yes, we will try it again. If WX is good, I will be QRV Friday Evening, >> probably allready from 19:00 til 23:00 UTC. >> 73 de Toni >> >> 2009/11/30 Marcin >> >>> Hello Toni >>> If you calling my I have QSO on DK8ND. I copied your twice transmiting >>> CQ. >>> Maybe have qso next friday? >>> 73! Marcin >>> >>> >>> >>> Hello Marcin >>> I've seen your signal in QRS10. It was quite strong. I called you, but >>> probably my signal was too weak. May be we can make a QSO next weekend= . >>> 73 de Toni, HB9ASB >>> >>> >>> 2009/11/24 Anton B=E4rtschi >>> >>> Hello Marcin >>> Yes, would be nice to make a first contact SP-HB9. As far as i know,= it >>> never took place. How abot this weekend, saturday or sunday? Have you >>> ever >>> seen my signal? Should we try it in QRS3 or QRS10? >>> 73 de Toni, HB9ASB >>> >>> >>> 2009/11/23 Marcin >>> >>> Hello Toni >>> Plise QSO on 136kHz. >>> We have 1W EIRP and antenna 30m hight and 120m long. >>> -- >>> Vy 73! >>> Marcin SQ2BXI >>> (SP2KDS Team) >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Internetowi nie placa! Otworz Konto Direct. >>> Kliknij >> http://link.interia.pl/f2448 >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Audi kilka tysiecy zlotych taniej? Przebieraj wsrod tysiecy ogloszen! >>> Kliknij >>> http://link.interia.pl/f2424 >>> >>> >> > --000e0ce0425e99cb000479ec4e98 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable UFB lieber Marco, Danke f=FCr das QSO und ein sch=F6nes Wochenende.
73= de Toni

2009/12/3 Scholz, Marco <marco.scholz@cit= i.com>
Hallo Toni,
vielen Dank f=FCr den Sked. Ich bin mal gespannt. Wetter=20 scheint ja mitzuspielen.
=A0
Gru=DF, vy73
Marco, DD7PC
From: Anton B=E4rtschi [mailto:hb9asb@gmail.com]= =20
Sent: 03 December 2009 16:20
To: Scholz, Marco [ICG-I= T];=20 rsgb_lf_= group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: Re: LF: Re:=20 qso

Hallo Marco
Werde ab 20:00 MEZ in QRS3 CQ rufen und nach Dir= =20 Ausschau halten. Es w=FCrde mich auch freuen, wenn's klappen w=FCrde.<= br>73 de Toni,=20 HB9ASB

2009/12/1 Scholz, Marco <<= a href=3D"mailto:marco.scholz@citi.com" target=3D"_blank">marco.scholz@cit= i.com>
Hallo Toni,
Ich= werde am Freitag=20 auch QRV sein. Wuerde mich ueber ein QSO mit dir freuen. Waere fuer mich= das=20 erste nach HB, aber mein Setup ist recht klein.
Gruss, 73
Marco,= =20 DD7PC

Hello Marcin
Yes, we will try it again. If WX is= good,=20 I will be QRV Friday Evening, probably allready from 19:00 til 23:00 UTC= .=20
73 de Toni

2009/11/30 Marcin <bxi@interia.pl>
Hello=20 Toni
If you calling my I have QSO on DK8ND. I copied your twice=20 transmiting CQ.
Maybe have qso next friday?
73! Marcin



Hello Marcin
I've seen your signal in QRS10.= It was=20 quite strong. I called you, but
probably my signal was too weak. Ma= y be=20 we can make a QSO next weekend.
73 de Toni, HB9ASB


2009/= 11/24=20 Anton B=E4rtschi <hb9asb@gmail.com>

Hello Marcin
Yes, would be=20 nice to make a first contact SP-HB9. As far as i know, it
never too= k=20 place. How abot this weekend, saturday or sunday? Have you ever
see= n my=20 signal? Should we try it in QRS3 or QRS10?
73 de Toni,=20 HB9ASB


2009/11/23 Marcin <bxi@interia.pl>

Hello Toni
Plise QS= O on=20 136kHz.
We have 1W EIRP and antenna 30m hight and 120m long.
--<= br>Vy=20 73!
Marcin SQ2BXI
(SP2KDS=20 Team)

---------------------------------------------------------= -------------
Internetowi=20 nie placa! Otworz Konto Direct.
Kliknij >> http://link.interia.pl/f2448<= br>

---------------------------------------------------= -------------------
Audi=20 kilka tysiecy zlotych taniej? Przebieraj wsrod tysiecy ogloszen!
Kl= iknij=20 >>> http://link.interia.pl/f2424




--000e0ce0425e99cb000479ec4e98-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg05.mx.aol.com (rly-dg05.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.89]) by air-dg02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG021-5ca4b276bdc75; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 05:58:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG057-5ca4b276bdc75; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 05:58:38 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKV4Z-0001GY-4U for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:56:07 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKV4Y-0001GP-Ox for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:56:06 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate09.web.de ([217.72.192.184]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKV5s-0004M7-7Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:57:30 +0000 Received: from web.de by fmmailgate09.web.de (Postfix) with SMTP id C80392B44719 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:57:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from [78.55.16.153] by freemailng6505.web.de with HTTP; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:57:37 +0100 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:57:37 +0100 Message-Id: <993182564@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: di2am@web.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-Provags-Id: V01U2FsdGVkX1/tTaLJusl1ICWyEISf3pTVjhxl1Ji1q5MLToFv/r1hkFbJy pjDEEETe6f/oTbhze3xS8CCBXdcGyaWq9rG8mIQgomYzMQ4FhE= X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: "Gain" between qrss3 and qrss10? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear all, > Von: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" > If the "gain" or better said SNR between qrss30 and qrss3 is 10dB, so=20 > can I do a QSO to VK with 1W TX Power and an antenna efficiency of 1/ > 1000 if I choose QRSS10000000000? That=92s a litte jokingly=20 > formulated but you know what I mean. In other words, where are the=20 > limitations of this rule?=20 The variability of the channel properties and your life expectancy (hi) ... > What is the maximum power that is applied to an antenna yet? What=20 > have you heard yet? I have applied 1kW in a bad antenna (=3D> abt 100mW= =20 > ERP), so 10kW would be possible when considering to stay in the legal=20 > limit. 10kW would be possible since one doesn't need a ferrite core=20 > that has to keep the power (in Class E mode). In USA it would be even=20 > more easy due to the fact that the 110V of the mains could just be=20 > rectified. Then I would take some STW12NK90Zin parallel and a=20 > IXDD414and try it with 15A antenna current ;-) > Sorry, but in that hobby it is really easy to become euphoric=85 You've nicely demonstrated the nonsense of the 1W ERP legal limit regs. The 200 W TX output on LF and 100 W TX output on MF the norwegian authorities permitted seem to be by far more reasonable to me. 73 Joerg, DL3NRV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df05.mx.aol.com (rly-df05.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.18]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF032-54f4b1c112725a; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:17:09 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF054-54f4b1c112725a; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:16:41 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHNWD-0005r7-DH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:15:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHNWC-0005qy-Se for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:15:44 +0000 Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com ([209.85.219.218]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHNWB-0008UF-UB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:15:44 +0000 Received: by ewy10 with SMTP id 10so459722ewy.30 for ; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 12:15:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ltW2RoMqQsjPlNGdPetXqrKjoidvwpYlNOIAWt4UaIg=; b=mcJi4BgzDFVcivWiTmvR+o/JjVzWR2on/6/fvWktRo/ySTVyS8yOoFOcLGbP4p6yJn 8V24dPWtQ1HtBAa+87xdAskgtetUdKstHR1h0bW3LC6j5cb+QRt4hmv3YLoFtdq2+e/D FkcogDkkU6VOZ0N40qsolZpn+g3w6zhbw6QlQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=i7e3ZUFbt3IqMkCLMqK9+pWqbUUeKiD/4gipCsKPTfHuk5rQX7r/qTtZsCtga0wExc yad5WwsaArzTlI78zGyMoNwDsHU96uPVqM4xst9JldWwSi4HQrAKdAgkLhCqPw0JR6O4 LthCqHvIyLkOYN3mE40uyxJM7hOomYh9aydoE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.103.11 with SMTP id i11mr6194037ebo.63.1260130536301; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 12:15:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <42030EE58BDD4FA78C88635B91BDFB78@2a2d7ed321c6425> References: <42030EE58BDD4FA78C88635B91BDFB78@2a2d7ed321c6425> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 21:15:36 +0100 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anton_B=E4rtschi?= To: "Beckmann, Gerhard" , rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Unser QSO auf 137,7 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504502d29cfca3f9047a15001d X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m239.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00504502d29cfca3f9047a15001d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hallo Gerhard Sorry f=FCr die versp=E4tete Antwort, alle deine Posts sind in meinem Spam-Ordner gelandet. Unser QSO hat wunderbar geklappt und du bist in meinem Log. Dein Signal wa= r gut lesbar, absolut "O"! Meine Antenne ist etwa gleich, nur die Leistung h=F6her: 500W bis 1KW je= nach Anpassung. Vielen Dank f=FCr das QSO und 73 aus der Westschweiz de Toni HB9ASB in JN36NU Anton B=E4rtschi Les fermes 24 1792 Cordast Schweiz 2009/12/3 Beckmann, Gerhard > > > Hallo Toni, > > > > =85falls die Mail nicht durchgekommen war=85. > > > > Besten Dank f=FCr ein kurzes Lebenszeichen. > > > > vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *Von:* Beckmann, Gerhard [mailto:beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de] > *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 1. Dezember 2009 22:01 > *An:* 'Beckmann, Gerhard'; 'Anton B=E4rtschi' > *Betreff:* AW: Unser QSO auf 137,7 > > > > Hallo Toni, > > > > nur eine kurze Frage: > > Hattest Du mein Signal lesen k=F6nnen oder war es eine Verwechslung > meinerseits? > > > > Besten Dank + vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *Von:* Beckmann, Gerhard [mailto:beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de] > *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 29. November 2009 23:06 > *An:* 'Anton B=E4rtschi' > *Betreff:* Unser QSO auf 137,7 > > > > Hallo Toni, > > > > besten Dank f=FCr das ufb QSO auf 137,72 in QRSS3! > > Mein Rig: > > *TX:* Ropex mit ca. 100 Watt. > > *RX*: TS 440 S > > *Antenne:* endgespeister Draht mit 40 Meter L=E4nge und ca. 10 Meter H= =F6he. > > (sehr schlechte l=F6sung f=FCr LF ---hi--) > > > > vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI > > > > =3D=3D=3D > > > > > > > > > --00504502d29cfca3f9047a15001d Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hallo Gerhard
Sorry f=FCr die versp=E4tete Antwort, alle deine Posts si= nd in meinem Spam-Ordner gelandet.
Unser QSO hat wunderbar geklappt und= du bist in meinem Log. Dein Signal war gut lesbar, absolut "O"!=
Meine Antenne ist etwa gleich, nur die Leistung h=F6her: 500W bis 1KW je= nach Anpassung.
Vielen Dank f=FCr das QSO und 73 aus der Westschweizde Toni HB9ASB in JN36NU

Anton B=E4rtschi
Les fermes 24
179= 2 Cordast
Schweiz

2009/12/3 Beckmann, Gerhard <beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de= >

=A0

Hallo= Toni,

=A0

=85falls die= Mail nicht durchgekommen war=85.

=A0

Besten Dank= f=FCr ein kurzes Lebenszeichen.

=A0

vy 73 de Ger= hard=A0 // DK6NI

=A0

=3D=3D=3D=3D=

=A0

=A0

Von: Beckmann, Gerhard [mailto:beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. De= zember 2009 22:01
An: 'Beckmann, Gerhar= d'; 'Anton B=E4rtschi'
Betreff: AW: Unser QSO au= f 137,7

=A0

Hallo= Toni,

=A0

nur eine kur= ze Frage:

Hattest Du= mein Signal lesen k=F6nnen oder war es eine Verwechslung meinerseits?

=A0

Besten Dank= + vy 73 de Gerhard=A0 //=A0 DK6NI

=A0

=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D

=A0

=A0

Von: Beckmann, Gerhard [mailto:beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. No= vember 2009 23:06
An: 'Anton B=E4rtschi= '
Betreff: Unser QSO auf 13= 7,7

=A0

Hallo Toni,

=A0

besten Dank f=FCr das ufb QSO auf 137,72= in QRSS3!

Mein Rig:

TX:= Ropex mit ca. 100 Watt.

RX: TS 440 S

Antenne: endgespeister Draht mit 40 Meter L=E4nge und ca. 10 Meter H=F6he.

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 (sehr schlechte l=F6sung f=FCr LF ---hi--)

=A0

vy 73 de Gerhard=A0 //=A0 DK6NI

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=3D=3D=3D

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--00504502d29cfca3f9047a15001d-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df05.mx.aol.com (rly-df05.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.18]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF081-54d4b1939732b; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:32:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF052-54d4b1939732b; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:31:49 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGb3G-0007yK-PC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:30:38 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGb3G-0007yB-3u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:30:38 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGb3E-0006k7-Dr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:30:38 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj8FAE7IGEtOlpNG/2dsb2JhbACCIy2LTwbJG4QzBIFn X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,342,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="137063564" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.150.147.70]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Dec 2009 16:30:30 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01ca74ff$163eb010$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 16:30:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: FUSE TEST Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA74FF.15C05850" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA74FF.15C05850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has anyone tested the ACTUAL blow current for fuses eg 5A 10A 30A.. I often do not have fuses at the correct value and FUSE down only to= find that I can run them at considerably higher amps than rated eg 30= A fuses at 50A and they fail to blow. This is intermittent use say 30%= - 50% in psu's used for CW and QRS3 normally in FET AMPS This is normal fuse wire bought wrapped on card. It looks like your PA fets could be in trouble under certain circumsta= nces. de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA74FF.15C05850 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Has anyone tested the ACTUAL blow cur= rent for fuses=20 eg 5A 10A 30A..
I often do not have fuses at the corr= ect value and=20 FUSE down only to find that I can run them at considerably higher amps= than=20 rated eg 30A fuses at 50A and they fail to blow. This is intermittent= use say=20 30% - 50% in psu's used for CW and QRS3 normally in FET AMPS
This is normal fuse wire bought wrapp= ed on=20 card.
It looks like your PA fets could be= in trouble=20 under certain circumstances.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA74FF.15C05850-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df02.mx.aol.com (rly-df02.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.15]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF013-5334b250ef5a5; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:57:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF026-5334b250ef5a5; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:57:43 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJqnj-0004y1-7y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:56:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJqni-0004xs-UC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:56:02 +0000 Received: from [85.37.17.112] (helo=smtp-out112.alice.it) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJqo6-0004f8-62 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:56:34 +0000 Received: from fbcmmo06.fbc.local ([192.168.184.137]) by smtp-out112.alice.it with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:56:05 +0100 Received: from FBCMCL01B02.fbc.local ([192.168.69.83]) by fbcmmo06.fbc.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:54:11 +0100 Received: from IK1ODO.spin-it.com ([87.24.41.185]) by FBCMCL01B02.fbc.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:54:12 +0100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:53:55 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Marco IK1ODO In-Reply-To: References: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> <241919.87622.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9afca2640912130305r3acb5e5fs991caaa1115d2255@mail.gmail.com> <6E7638745A1B43168C402CDBB010C2A7@AGB> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2009 15:54:12.0416 (UTC) FILETIME=[83AE2400:01CA7C0C] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: "Y" beacon on 137.777 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Please, who is sending "Y" on 137.7778 DFCW? Well visible on DF6NM grabbler. 73 - Marco IK1ODO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD104-9204b23e60d248; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:51:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD088-9204b23e60d248; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:50:54 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJX2Z-0002SB-Fs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:50:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJX2Z-0002S2-54 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:50:03 +0000 Received: from mx01.infotech.at ([213.174.240.1]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJX2d-0001x5-Oa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:50:09 +0000 Received: from [213.174.228.201] by mx01.infotech.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJX2c-0006sd-M1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:50:07 +0100 Message-ID: <4B23E5C8.3030408@inext.at> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:49:44 +0100 From: Oberreiter Oswald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001401ca7b56$dfedfbc0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <001401ca7b56$dfedfbc0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Racket Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ----- what ist ? its the nr 5 from oe5odl qrss80 73 mal hamilton schrieb: > What is that racket every night on 137.5 kcs, some sort of arabic > script 2 mins on and 2 mins off. > g3kev > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb08.mx.aol.com (rly-mb08.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.166]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB073-d234b322a6514d; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:34:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB087-d234b322a6514d; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:34:15 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNSGU-0004St-Mk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:32:38 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNSGU-0004Sk-3H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:32:38 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate09.web.de ([217.72.192.184]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNSGR-0003FY-RZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:32:38 +0000 Received: from web.de by fmmailgate09.web.de (Postfix) with SMTP id A51E32B4688E for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:32:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from [84.63.99.12] by freemailng2504.web.de with HTTP; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:32:28 +0100 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:32:28 +0100 Message-Id: <1554129453@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?iso-8859-15?Q?Horst_St=F6cker?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-Provags-Id: V01U2FsdGVkX18VPXc/RYL8aL0lYvNoBjU0iHw9+xOeVOzcNYdSUqlhYupft kIeKD9+Bs9UzutZm2Kf6+9uONnm0JYIPPY/bQYCaEqMuE9FijWeVoTGsWHwx g== X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJECT_ENCODED_TWICE=1.543,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: =?iso-8859-15?Q?Re:_LF:_Re:_An_DK1KQ:_500_kHz_f=FCr_den_Funkamateur_SD?= =?iso-8859-15?Q?R?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hallo Uwe, danke f=FCr die Info. Den FA-SDR f=FCr 136 kHz habe ich ja, da bin ich versorgt. Ich hatte Dich so verstanden, als habest Du wiederum von diesem eine Modif= ikation f=FCr 500 kHz, Wenn nicht, dann werde ich mich mal auf die Suche nach einem entsprechende= n SoftRock machen. Auch Dir und Familie sch=F6ne Weihnachten und alles Gute f=FCr 2010 Horst > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: "Uwe Wensauer" > Gesendet: 22.12.09 20:52:43 > An: > Betreff: LF: Re: An DK1KQ: 500 kHz f=FCr den Funkamateur SDR > Hallo Horst, > verstehe nicht ganz was Du meinst. > Ich vermute einmal, dass Du suchst "IQ-SDR-Minimalsystem auch f=FCr Lang= welle=20 > nutzen" > FA 7/07 Seite 735-736 >=20 > Hierf=FCr h=E4tte ich auch noch eine Leiterplatte. >=20 > Frohe Weihnachten > 73 > Uwe, DK1KQ >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Horst St=F6cker" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 7:14 PM > Subject: LF: An DK1KQ: 500 kHz f=FCr den Funkamateur SDR >=20 >=20 > Hallo Uwe, > die in Deinem Buch genannte eMail-Adresse scheint nicht mehr zu stimme,= =20 > daher nun auf diesem Wege: In welchem Heft war Dein Artikel ?? > Sch=F6ne Feiertage > Horst DO1KHS > ______________________________________________________ > GRATIS f=FCr alle WEB.DE-Nutzer: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! > Jetzt freischalten unter http://movieflat.web.de >=20 >=20 >=20 ______________________________________________________ GRATIS f=FCr alle WEB.DE-Nutzer: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://movieflat.web.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df09.mx.aol.com (rly-df09.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.22]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF024-57b4b23c50435a; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 11:30:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF098-57b4b23c50435a; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 11:29:57 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJUpj-00019a-2E for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:28:39 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJUpi-00019R-MQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:28:38 +0000 Received: from mout4.freenet.de ([195.4.92.94]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJUpj-0008SJ-VO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:28:41 +0000 Received: from [195.4.92.16] (helo=6.mx.freenet.de) by mout4.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.70 #1) id 1NJUpj-0000U8-7a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:28:39 +0100 Received: from g230094112.adsl.alicedsl.de ([92.230.94.112]:1084 helo=[192.168.0.100]) by 6.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #94) id 1NJUpi-0008O6-QA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:28:39 +0100 Message-ID: <4B23C4B5.10102@freenet.de> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:28:37 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Wolfgang_B=FCscher?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC1F@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B23B319.9080005@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <4B23B319.9080005@usa.net> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Japanese time&frequency station Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Alberto, I occasionally see a weak trace on 40 kHz using an indoor loop antenna, but I am not convinced that this is a real 'DX' signal. The signal I see is more than 10 dB down on NAU (40.75 kHz) from Puerto Rico. Similar (negative) results currently on the 'Kiel Longwave Monitor' : http://df3lp.de/spec.png (compare magnitude for some US transmitters, at the moment there's nothing on Peter's graph around 40 kHz. Same here). All the best and have a nice christmas season, 73, Wolf . Alberto di Bene schrieb: > Is there anybody in Europe that was able to receive the Japanese > time&frequency standard station at 40 kHz ? > If yes, could you please give details about the equipments, especially > the antenna, used ? > > I am trying since some time, night and day, but no luck so far.... > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb11.mx.aol.com (rly-mb11.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.169]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB041-d3a4b180b8f3aa; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:04:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb11.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB116-d3a4b180b8f3aa; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:03:45 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGGx2-0003ii-N9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:02:52 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGGx2-0003iZ-3l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:02:52 +0000 Received: from smtp09.online.nl ([194.134.42.54]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGGx0-0007r6-Gi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:02:52 +0000 Received: from smtp09.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp09.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A22C1E2B0 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:02:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp09.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:02:46 +0100 (CET) From: To: Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:02:46 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20091203194531.or926chzk844g4k8@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp09.online.nl) X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: RE: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Rik, I use an active antenna of my own design (higher imd free range than= the miniwhip).It alsoo has a FET inputstage with some protectiondiode= s and a small lightbulb. It was only 3 meters away from the transmitti= ngantenna,500 Watt in the range 136KHz-3,8MHz never has been any probl= em for the past 4 years.. Optimum whiplenght in this aerea 60cm. 73 Victor PA3FNY -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Rik Strobbe Verzonden: donderdag 3 december 2009 19:46 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; RoelofBakker Onderwerp: Re: LF: Results of optimising an active antenna Roelof, I cannot agree, a Belgian beer can will provide at least 10dB better= SNR ;-) Now serious: I have been thinking about a simple but good RX antenna= =20 for LF, MF and the lower HF range and you mini-whip seems the right = =20 solution. But will the preamp survive when pumping a few 100W into my 500kHz TX= =20 antenna (lazy-L) that will be only 25m away ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Roelof Bakker : > Hello Alberto, > > I am not much in beer myself, but there seems to be a famous Dutch= brand, > that I can recommend! > > 73, > Roelof, pa0rdt > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc08.mx.aol.com (rly-mc08.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.92]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC021-d904b200080230; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:54:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC088-d904b200080230; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:54:41 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NISbQ-0004Zn-Ey for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:53:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NISbP-0004Ze-UW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:53:35 +0000 Received: from mail-yw0-f196.google.com ([209.85.211.196]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NISbO-0005b3-Tl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:53:35 +0000 Received: by ywh34 with SMTP id 34so6752412ywh.1 for ; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:53:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=FpXtp86QaN7iIA7w6GJ4wYZzOmQsrVPR0DIXnX5WplY=; b=xUYT2YUeU1+oAWM6s50Gw/JdQKJLlbtLyvP6cLjpVjJsdg0heSNAG2RfBav7vi8aiG FuBYOd6FcfsY+dZQt+mbcWTpm/yBztcT+peX9CzrzdycrO6jYCkeK9T3GSM99+FrcTho ubJYea5u4JHK9je3d12WsLxtDgs1fcd4Ad1Mw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=IO+R1HluwYWZd5jjHAnTRgyjDBMpOiXSqjuyGOjWlGW2ZeYYJnWUWNfqJxUyVM9s9I 7Bh9PdfZOjJ/12g9DWDBGKX4YCsorAPsl48msnUVeedJ19uKEkWIXQ0raIX9KlAMsFlc VAA09YSByAmpFmcALgoDfTWDqosCKdyvRk4JY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.88.25 with SMTP id l25mr17264788ybb.170.1260388407973; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:53:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 14:53:27 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca70912091153iaa6a489ia1a35bc98f56233a@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d262.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Andy, > With a CW only option and if it really is a VFO, resulting poor stabilit= y > its just an appalingingly ludicrous joke. Point taken, but I wouldn't lose much sleep over a rig that isn't going to sell in the first place. >And anyone buying such just deserves the contempt they'll get using it. I disagree on that point - ham radio in general is rapidly dieing off and I welcome all no mater how they got there! --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Andy Talbot wr= ote: > To quote the data sheet : > > "The TX-2200A > lets you turn the clock back and explore long waves, > but with technology that the early pioneers could not > even dream of. In a package around the same size as > many transceivers this little gem of engineering will > provide up to 100 Watts of output power." > > With a CW only option and if it really is a VFO, resulting poor stabilit= y > =A0its just an appalingingly ludicrous joke. =A0 And anyone buying such= just > deserves the contempt they'll get using it. > > LF was alwatys considered to be the last bastion of real homebrew and > experiimentation. > Rant over. > > But kudos to the manufacturer if they can exploit the gullible :-)=A0=A0= =A0 I > wonder if its a rip-off of any designs published in the open literature > here=A0 There have been quite a few 100 Watt 137 transmitters=A0weblicis= ed - who > will be the first to claim his copyright infringements. > > My 700 Watt Class D Tx=A0=A0 =A0http://www.g4jnt.com/137tx.pdf=A0 probab= ly would > cost in the region of =A330 - =A340 buying most of the components, but= without > the DDS driver.=A0 Never really priced it as new -=A0everything came fro= m the > junkbox. > > > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and > safety police > > > > 2009/12/9 Warren Ziegler : >> Interesting new rig offered by Waters and Stanton - the TX-2200A 100 >> Watt class D transmitter for 136kHz - VFO controlled with receiver >> muting. >> Made in Japan, relatively pricey though at 690 GBP! >> >> http://wsplc.com/pdf/TX-2200A.pdf >> >> >> >> 73 Warren K2ORS >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WD2XGJ >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WD2XSH/23 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WE2XEB/2 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WE2XGR/1 >> >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df09.mx.aol.com (rly-df09.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.22]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF014-5784b1c32151da; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 17:37:30 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF095-5784b1c32151da; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 17:37:10 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHPhy-0006k4-Nb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:36:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHPhy-0006jv-CF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:36:02 +0000 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHPhx-0000f2-Fy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:36:02 +0000 thread-index: Acp2xHjXI6z+y93/TtypMhoxUKU7Cg== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 X-SPAM-FLAG:NO Received: from ([127.0.0.1]) with MailEnable ESMTP; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 22:35:53 +0000 Message-ID: <82CC5A92F2604FFC92F0A881995F6A4D@radiorummet> From: "Gus" To: Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 23:35:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.389945 X-CHK: uvtcmail.se X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: QSO 137 kHz Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0050_01CA76CC.D91071E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01CA76CC.D91071E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oswald LF, thanks QSO 137,650 kHz OE5ODL/SM6BHZ. Lot of noise and QSB but you get strong at the end of QSO. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01CA76CC.D91071E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Oswald LF,
 
thanks QSO 137,650 kHz=20 OE5ODL/SM6BHZ.
Lot of noise and QSB but you get stron= g at the end=20 of QSO.
 
73 de Gus SM6BHZ<= /DIV>
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0050_01CA76CC.D91071E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG101-a244b25468a174; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:55:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG076-a244b25468a174; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:54:52 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJuVK-0000EB-3P for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:53:18 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJuVJ-0000E2-Lq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:53:17 +0000 Received: from web63606.mail.re1.yahoo.com ([69.147.97.76]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJuVz-00057p-IS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:54:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 50007 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Dec 2009 19:53:53 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1260734033; bh=DwT8j5ImXdXReKUPT2jvjesuvDCt5NveCZqGyKzsMpU=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=S3d+Jh8LIzxNKXlFGZUCDBIRNIJr0Ipg4ZToPVLr0Gth0SPKSGzkKLOFOjJDUuMlQNC81Wl126KQIotZhQH2KfD30jb7weElEhtv+zxdijI4sRXGSjqzyKNrEXYaeSjFOC4ooYX/Xf6sJHsvhUY1NigHSfZRILXIIathgT4Wl1g= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TOvyKtXTODSYSteaDSqdtZA9hnv1rb4LhjF1WYwxZErfytilANhD6UI33UbQiHA+51YU/si81gbPowGE+08eln1nkdyBBEFkpCW/SzUcWoEa02WsfLxvTjM7DerMxJiHdSy+V/e0ELkYM0lDGf+8QOdeRpLc07DgMVYHOTj1Iqk=; Message-ID: <309867.50003.qm@web63606.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: tWN_hzkVM1kRWy2OZ71zOXS6._oCkF9zYYhG1OfplrqShpigJnQI3RdSpAOZ4UfeTepSBv8B0xv8SmLsf9vx0mBux5mfmO3RXR5KgapEe1Ues9HDa5pxszYkLezt_Vjpdv9JZ47t0JIj_ZZRTDoP.IY4SLV7jBoba0tZklS17quGmjbRwXCdgSilJMXbgeQIdRgq8GsLzH_ItFWBGLCobek2E1.tY2xdfILAIzIIu9iv_f3l9lALJBOsOusuOmvpyDg.kSOO8wnYeDz39CgPvzgD3NlsJpIJAjCD5_FlfhA6euu3DZxTJqcls8avbueqd38q5ORbNFQuhuC.N3Hs9o0PLDFlbvSvuoCqLypf3i7z0yDiJzJenMaszDOdLRhBoHKJvALq08hh Received: from [66.191.248.86] by web63606.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:53:53 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:53:53 -0800 (PST) From: Andy - KU4XR To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <004301ca7c2b$548746b0$6402a8c0@e7010> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG QRO QRSS3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d253.1 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : pass Thank You; 73 to you ::: Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29866 KHz ( QRSS-60 ) Coordinates: N: 35* 43' 54" - W: 84* 3' 16" http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr http://webpages.charter.net/ku4xr/ --- On Sun, 12/13/09, Walter und Marianne Staubach wrote: > From: Walter und Marianne Staubach > Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG QRO QRSS3 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 2:34 PM > Dear Andy, yes, it is still > 505.090KHz. > 73=A0 =A0 Walter >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andy - KU4XR" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 8:30 PM > Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG QRO QRSS3 >=20 >=20 > Walter: >=20 > Is your frequency still 505.090 KHz ?? >=20 >=20 > Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. > LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 185.29866 KHz ( QRSS-60 ) > Coordinates:=A0 N:=A0 35* 43' 54" - W:=A0 84* 3' > 16" > http://www.myspace.com/beaconxr > http://webpages.charter.net/ku4xr/ >=20 >=20 > --- On Sun, 12/13/09, Walter und Marianne Staubach > > wrote: >=20 > > From: Walter und Marianne Staubach > > Subject: LF: DI2AG QRO QRSS3 > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 12:39 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear MF, > > DI2AG is > > > > now transmitting in QRSS3 with more power - 2W ERP > > instead of 0.4W ERP. > > Please your reports via wum.staubach@t-online.de > > or dj2lf@darc.de > > > > The machine will run until > > tomorrow 7UTC - if she > > does the job. > > Thanks and 73 > > Walter DI2AG / > > DJ2LF > > > > > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 =20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md01.mx.aol.com (rly-md01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.139]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD054-8e84b31ec963bd; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:10:48 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD018-8e84b31ec963bd; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:10:32 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNOA3-0003dO-V9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:09:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNOA3-0003dC-HU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:09:43 +0000 Received: from psmtp08.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.22]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNOA1-0004IQ-Cv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:09:43 +0000 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp08.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KV3001X0O7WO2@psmtp08.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 11:09:33 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 11:09:18 +0100 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: WP F23-12.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_1ZWn/QHz3OoMj7wgdttThw)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --Boundary_(ID_1ZWn/QHz3OoMj7wgdttThw) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_IjEcLP4Y1CoroY00PRMIQw)" --Boundary_(ID_IjEcLP4Y1CoroY00PRMIQw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi LF, Capture WPF Henny pa3cpm 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: WPF23-12.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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Hi LF,
Capture WPF
Henny pa3cpm
73s
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SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 8 Dec 2009 15:39:29 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [60.27.207.45] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:39:29 -0900 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001901ca785a$a2509420$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> References: <4B1ECE8E.1040701@online.fr>,<001901ca785a$a2509420$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2009 23:39:29.0759 (UTC) FILETIME=[AFA5DEF0:01CA785F] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_407f065f-ff95-43b3-b533-5ff88f3d40e4_" Subject: RE: LF: Re: [137kHz] "Y" and "AGC" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_407f065f-ff95-43b3-b533-5ff88f3d40e4_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Also in E China but long haul but condx still not good as seen from here.= DCF39 sitting at S3 and Budapest up to S7. =20 Thanks for the signals - the internet has been dodgy over the past 24 hour= s so snapper uploads have been suffering =20 73 =20 Laurence KL 1 X in BY 3A=20 =20 =20 Snappers http://kl1x.com/screen.html Alaska (500Khz) http://kl1x.com/screen2.html China, temp antennae swinging in the smog =20 subject to availbility and other uses. =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 > From: rn3agc@mail.ru > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:03:10 +0000 > Subject: LF: Re: [137kHz] "Y" and "AGC" >=20 > Many thanks, Jean-Pierre! >=20 > 73 Andrey >=20 > > Hi LF > > good copy now of RA3YO and RN3AGC now ! > > see on the grabber . > > 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj > > >=20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/videos-tours.aspx?h=3D7sec&slid= eid=3D1&media=3Daero-shake-7second&listid=3D1&stop=3D1&ocid=3DPID24727::T:= WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_7secdemo:122009=3D --_407f065f-ff95-43b3-b533-5ff88f3d40e4_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Also in E China but long haul but condx still not good as seen= from here. DCF39 sitting at S3 and Budapest up to S7.
 
Thanks for the signals - the internet has been dodgy over the past 24 hour= s so snapper uploads have been suffering
 
73
 
Laurence KL 1 X in BY 3A 
 
 
Snappers
http://kl1x.com/screen.html&nb= sp; Alaska (500Khz)
http://kl1x.com/screen2.html&= nbsp; China, temp antennae swinging in the smog
 
subject to availbility and other uses.
 
 
 
 

 
> From: rn3agc@mail.ru
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org
> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:03:10 +0000
> Subject: LF:= Re: [137kHz] "Y" and "AGC"
>
> Many thanks, Jean-Pierre!
= >
> 73 Andrey
>
> > Hi LF
> > good copy= now of RA3YO and RN3AGC now !
> > see on the grabber .
>= > 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj
> >
>
=
Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop. Learn more. =3D --_407f065f-ff95-43b3-b533-5ff88f3d40e4_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me01.mx.aol.com (rly-me01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.34]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME061-9954b3677983ab; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 15:52:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME011-9954b3677983ab; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 15:52:42 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOdbr-0007DL-8H for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 20:51:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOdbq-0007DC-RT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 20:51:34 +0000 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.152]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOdbo-0008Lf-F8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 20:51:34 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e21so956390fga.10 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 12:51:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=T40ldAhBAdzTUQBCyGJ2XTjKMyt7i1O4OogBNRbHtZ0=; b=v5DRWS+B5rs7QcIDLGxU8BCLQAWahhoXOQTzDL1pj3So8w8fofNW2/ZSX33qBYoYnn eW3Zg/tkIUHmfl2ddP6giK3NvwB6Ym1nAOCedXobuChQEpkagBJ3pgeH4nL+JYV2HLU+ JbczBYsacQ4x3xACeVAS0089+F3Oizk3sbFPI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vHVoQDLgcVYgAxloL2Nv+QCE/69Amweko78Z2ui46El8M1ywaKHYyRoSpr2IlCTtuh LrMEchRbMz/RpxlOa1SHrXzEIUh4Zfme1nj1xaXzNhn7KAy2Jg+un+lcnRwt5MGh7dD8 Tg14uA4eYvREtxqIQF32dKdfT7E+CIucrWC2M= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.145.133 with SMTP id s5mr1717501hba.49.1261860690126; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 12:51:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <469B391A02A04C259832ED9427C8E689@AGB> References: <20091226.144128.11516.4.cw4ever4@juno.com> <469B391A02A04C259832ED9427C8E689@AGB> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 20:51:29 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: "WA" beacon & WSPR 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m243.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) You might like to try the JT4A mode available within the WSJT suite. The latest Ver 7.4 has improved JT4 decoding, and we've been using the wide shift JT4G version on the microwave bands over the last year. JT4A is also a four tone MFSK signal, but at a tone spacing / baud rate of 4.375 Hz with a complete transmission taking 48 seconds. It uses the same convolutional coder, interleaving and 50% embedded sync techniqe as WSPR, but the message contents are different. They can consist of two callsigns and a locator, 2 * call + report, or 13 digits of plain text (we use the latter on microwaves as beacon identifiers) So JT4A has almost exactly three times the bandwidth of WSPR, and with identical FEC the resulting sensitivity 'ought' to be about 5dB worse, but the faster message time may have the advantage. There is one pratical matter you need to watch out for. WSPR uses a 11025Hz sampling rate, and as we've all discovered this value is often out on later PCs, and can destroy decoding even of strong signals (see December's RadCom). WSJT.EXE does have its own calibration facility built in and sampling rate errors can be corrected in the setup . Andy www.g4jnt.com This email has been scanned for damaging side-effects by the health and safety police, is guaranteed to contain no substances hazardous to health, but may contribute to dissolving the nether and polar regions 2009/12/26 Graham : > Ok Bob > > > > I would think (based on past experience) that =A0it =A0would of =A0been= =A0better to > go the =A0other =A0way =A0with a shorter tx pulse containing =A0all the= =A0data as the > 30 =A0second =A0in and =A0120 second =A0out =A0qsb times are not idea fo= r =A0wspr at the > best of =A0times ? > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb12.mx.aol.com (rly-mb12.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.170]) by air-mb03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB031-d414b22b14331b; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:53:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB125-d414b22b14331b; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:53:24 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJCTd-0001u0-O3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:52:37 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJCTd-0001tr-3k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:52:37 +0000 Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca ([24.222.0.30] helo=mta02.eastlink.ca) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJCTa-00035e-2f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:52:37 +0000 MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ip06.eastlink.ca ([unknown] [24.222.39.84]) by mta02.eastlink.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009)) with ESMTP id <0KUI00CWB9ZIHI10@mta02.eastlink.ca> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:52:30 -0400 (AST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj4QADZAIksYWeG5/2dsb2JhbACBRYJPhWq7foIECI4ACoEldB4IgRBSBIFj X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,384,1257134400"; d="scan'208";a="543258130" Received: from blk-89-225-185.eastlink.ca (HELO backup) ([24.89.225.185]) by ip06.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:56:41 -0400 Message-id: <991815BD8596474C8C29B80B3E0936E3@backup> From: Vernon To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <88EEC52E6C874CCEB966804D073A3376@White> <4B221D77.23434.434B0D@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <1260545211.2370.107.camel@gerhard-desktop> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:52:29 +0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed; reply-type=original Subject: Re: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Gerhard please turn off your requested response feature in your email... Many thanks... Vernon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerhard Hickl" To: Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 3:26 PM Subject: Re: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes > Hello folks! > > I was one of the "bad boys" transmitting yesterday night in the > "waterhole"...The purpose were some test with the antenna where I rely > on grabbers. > > But of course, I didn't choose my qrg by chance or to interfere with > somebody else. No, rather the reasoning is what Mike writes in his post > below. > > Some of the grabbers even don't have a window around 700 but only show > the "waterhole". I also know, that people who run grabbers can't be > blamed for not offering this opportunity. > > I'm not aware if offering such a 2nd window is a lot of work or if it is > just "done by software". Anyways, I would appreciate such an > alternative. > > Cheers es 73 > > OE3GHB > > Gerhard > > > > > Am Freitag, den 11.12.2009, 10:22 +0000 schrieb Mike Dennison: >> Markus is absolutely right. This should reduce QRM for those >> monitoring for DX, and improve the chance of two-way DX QSOs. >> However, I think many stations have recently used the upper slot >> because most grabbers are set for this area (except Markus's own >> excellent system). Is it possible for more grabbers to be dual >> frequency? >> >> Mke, G3XDV >> ========== >> >> >> On 11 Dec 2009 at 9:38, Markus Vester wrote: >> >> > Dear LF, >> > >> > the passage should have said: >> > >> > Taking into account the path of mutual darkness, this would mean that >> > all stations should transmit in the UPPER band during their evenings >> > until local midnight, and then QSY to the lower band for the rest of >> > the night. >> > >> > Sorry for the confusion. >> > >> > 73, Markus >> > >> > >> > From: Markus Vester >> > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 12:14 AM >> > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> > Subject: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes >> > >> > >> > Dear LF group, >> > >> > recently we find the "transatlantic waterhole" around 137.777 kHz >> > quite busy. Several Europeans have started beaconing within this >> > segment. And there has been some fast (QRSS3 or 10) activity, with >> > wide traces covering up possible transatlantic DX signalling >> > frequencies. >> > >> > During the last years, we have attempted to split the frequency bands >> > for both directions of transatlantic work. Traditional segments were >> > around 137.777 kHz west-to-east (for Americans transmitting towards >> > Eu), and around 136.320 kHz east-west (for Eu to stateside). Slow >> > modes (QRSS or DFCW, 60 second and longer) were used almost >> > exclusively there, and several stations were able to successfully >> > cross the pond in either direction. >> > >> > The situation has become a little more intricate as more stations from >> > other parts of the world (eg. Asia, China, Japan) are joining the game >> > with sensitive receivers and good signals. But I still think it would >> > be helpful to separate RX and TX bands within each area as much as >> > possible. >> > >> > My suggestion would be to stick with the east-west versus west-east >> > allocation of the two slots. Taking into account the path of mutual >> > darkness, this would mean that all stations should transmit in the >> > lower band during their evenings until local midnight, and then QSY to >> > the lower band for the rest of the night. Receiver settings would of >> > course be vice versa. >> > >> > I'm aware that this scheme cannot be perfect and universal. It won't >> > cover North-South hauls, and would not protect signals during early or >> > late openings. But it's simple enough, and I believe it would still be >> > very useful. Please don't get me wrong - I do not want to discourage >> > anyone from putting out a signal, and certainly reject the notion of >> > anything reminiscent of a "band police". I just think a little >> > coordination may help all of us to be successful on this challenging >> > and fascinating band. >> > >> > Let me have your thoughts... >> > >> > 73 de Markus, DF6NM >> > >> > http://freenet-homepage.de/df6nm/Grabber.htm >> > >> >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da09.mx.aol.com (rly-da09.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.83]) by air-da05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDA051-a8e4b16fb9e1c5; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:43:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA096-a8e4b16fb9e1c5; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:43:28 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFypk-0008IF-1r for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:42:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFypj-0008I6-F5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:42:07 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFypi-0001KI-Hk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:42:07 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so727288bwz.4 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:42:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=I4NUiK6BuqY/ULIprU9IaaSqasGfE+UM5WaAwscb/Fo=; b=SRRCZyIirWYPWEE6v0rXmlj/YARhaUfIrFAOhbrPrs93DZN4SwEn0c9SnpFyC3qSZL 4axkpv+D5Hw6xt0xzq7hrYyJHeMyTkBIFic5WX16Q+rsdaISAI3TJOSzMzhRA14hB01G VROV526zx9c6mTRbQJ+WOHenKXrtSNYQU1JMg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=Lq6aIYLB3pyyeclFRmyTPIoPsAlWGWnvqEPBRN+2W2MfOvEFQ+2t2Lvp2J1l5ViB3T f0N6fv/ow8+8tIIIxGH4aPvmNB+jdyJST9xg+3MwBF/E1uF5QwF8sm+iJdx8zSVjdeOW xcz3Hj8silQ6yI0kIYlW6yEQfcDmcLJXcs6kA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.26.206 with SMTP id f14mr836048bkc.95.1259797319840; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:41:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 23:41:59 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2640912021541j365bc6e8m2151c480ff82addb@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: WSPRing overnight (500kHz) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555441abcf5960479c76bb1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d270.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555441abcf5960479c76bb1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My ~1mW ERP 500kHz WSPR beacon is running through the night and any DX reports would be much appreciated, as always. 73s Roger G3XBM -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555441abcf5960479c76bb1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My ~1mW ERP 500kHz WSPR beacon is running through the night and any DX rep= orts would be much appreciated, as always.

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--00032555441abcf5960479c76bb1-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (rly-dc03.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.32]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC082-b0e4b1d4e5d29a; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:50:14 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC032-b0e4b1d4e5d29a; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:50:07 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHidg-0003CH-Le for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:48:52 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHidg-0003C8-3p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:48:52 +0000 Received: from smtp03.online.nl ([194.134.41.33]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHide-0001MD-78 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:48:52 +0000 Received: from smtp03.online.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp03.online.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B651C681F9 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:48:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (s5593e077.adsl.wanadoo.nl [85.147.224.119]) by smtp03.online.nl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:48:49 +0100 (CET) From: To: Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:48:49 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <1260202597.4b1d2a65f3b5c@imp.netikka.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal X-Online-Scanned: by Cloudmark authority (on smtp03.online.nl) X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: RE: Broadcast audio splatter on 136kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Paul, same situation here,also on a passive T ant and tunable bandfilter with different receivers,not very strong.. 73 Victor PA3FNY -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Paul-Henrik Verzonden: maandag 7 december 2009 17:17 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: Broadcast audio splatter on 136kHz LF Does anybody else on the reflector suffer from BC-splatter on 136kHz? It has been a regular occurance here lately after dark. After some identification work I have a match on the running programmes on 171 and 225kHz, 225kHz being the stronger. I blamed my RX chain at first and started to eliminate IMD possibilities but even now using a passive antenna and a very sharp bandpass filter (much like an IF-filter for a valve BC-set) I still have the BC splatter. So far I have not been able to determine the carrier frequency of this "phantom station" but it must be close to the carrier of Lakihegy. Using AM detection with a narrow filter it seems centered around 135.4kHz. Sounds like two BC-stations on top of eachother and the USB reaches up in the amateur band making "ghost whispers". Luxembourg effect, transmitter IMD or just me missing the point? The bandpass filter is very effective and there are only weak traces of signals above 150kHz. BR Paul-Henrik, OH1LSQ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (rly-dd03.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.150]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD024-b694b201c57204; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:53:44 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD033-b694b201c57204; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:53:29 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIUSS-0005A9-0F for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:52:28 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIUSR-0005A0-GL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:52:27 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s6.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.17]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIUSQ-0003Ww-5M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:52:27 +0000 Received: from BLU146-DS6 ([65.55.116.8]) by blu0-omc1-s6.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:52:18 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [117.12.234.152] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: To: Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 21:52:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2009 21:52:18.0631 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0CF5D70:01CA7919] X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: DDH47 147.3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009B_01CA7919.E05C2940" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,NO_REAL_NAME, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_009B_01CA7919.E05C2940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In pre test viewing from the DDH47 signal is good and decoding weathe= r at 50 baud 23Hz Shift "reverse" on the DigitalMaster 780 portion of= Ham radio delux. 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------=_NextPart_000_009B_01CA7919.E05C2940-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md03.mx.aol.com (rly-md03.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.141]) by air-md03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD031-8f24b1fa2473c3; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:12:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD032-8f24b1fa2473c3; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:12:41 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIMKN-0001EW-Qn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:11:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIMKN-0001EN-Eq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:11:35 +0000 Received: from web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.124]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIMKN-0002oX-Ba for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:11:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 65866 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Dec 2009 13:11:29 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1260364289; bh=nexV1C5FxKPBUB1UhtvpKS0wlc3YnPA8vUILJjAVro0=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=yy6jaAbITxGdhfcBpEelLnKaup58MckN+hSXT+FCTcJoT7C5rcPZgMUuUJZ8w4qt+X+Bh5ZK9HhBAWHQeRiUhGZU8lF+DX5s5iyjDJlBkVsUuDVuO/aFVOu1SLTiaaU/K3pesmPzPyOUGZpA7EPxBBn6wYszSxpJMJtJetsj2e4= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Nq+pzZnttFCQ+Iywfpae7licNIcuToRHu1XIjbQLmLOgBNgdNM7BFWQh/BT3kZwNDGTJfQFzPTSK8EH2OT6qdM/6y6UP9S6eZrheDWn1PztThkCnrREXFUQh+StZ/sVBxZOhfOk5LjRCDWGp7HwVWznbus4h3r4jPPnLWpkPMmk=; Message-ID: <539393.64347.qm@web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: RCZpzZ0VM1nbKOFFxMxGjYAO4jjkAGHdtOrAD8FM2dcw.BU3.pJ._DkbR_vgGJeI5camGnqnUi9LHlu_QFooHF5cCdSN09LX.DkwIb08j3KDDX7jiS3stuub_RAJxiPMP6bFA7KUWX6we76Npwpmr4m9f6.UUs8K3VvvRmFtmmYt5dVoQ8kg1xxSZWGVEXHAOffdCblsQiL1HrpDL5u7rMgoJkOVIVVLKKgywY7BKVplfIYYgaELrt0CHZNuzbunGOPUlqe4RYu_.eJzjP2O Received: from [86.152.84.183] by web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 05:11:29 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 05:11:29 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4B1F9C43.2050204@telia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: SAQ Testing Now Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1182653786-1260364289=:64347" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m201.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-1182653786-1260364289=:64347 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maybe too late but nothing heard hear IO91UX Hitchin Herts UK. ..... Four= Alpha stations loud and clear a bit further down the band though..... Con= ditions have improved ! =A0 73 Petefmt =A0 --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Johan H. Bodin wrote: From: Johan H. Bodin Subject: Re: LF: SAQ Testing Now To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 12:46 Still testing at 1247 UTC Johan SM6LKM Lee Hudson wrote: > 17.2kHz >=A0=20 > Lee. > M0LMH. =20 --0-1182653786-1260364289=:64347 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Maybe too late but nothing heard hear= IO91UX Hitchin Herts UK. ..... Four Alpha stations loud and clear a bit= further down the band though..... Conditions have improved !
 
73 Petefmt
 


--- On Wed, 9/12/09, Johan H. Bodin <jh.bodin@telia.= com> wrote:

From: Johan H. Bodin <jh.bodin@telia.com>= ;
Subject: Re: LF: SAQ Testing Now
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<= BR>Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 12:46

Still testing at 1247 UTC
Johan SM6LKM

Le= e Hudson wrote:
> 17.2kHz
> 
> Lee.
> M0LMH.=


=20 --0-1182653786-1260364289=:64347-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df01.mx.aol.com (rly-df01.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.14]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF011-52a4b1e77302e1; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:56:50 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF017-52a4b1e77302e1; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:56:34 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NI2Op-00066O-3w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:54:51 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NI2Oo-00066F-3z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:54:50 +0000 Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.242]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NI2Om-0000GV-8Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:54:50 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwEACsFHktZ8eyJ/2dsb2JhbACOFQbLFIQyBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,362,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="305701732" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.241.236.137]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 08 Dec 2009 15:54:23 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01ca781e$b5393e20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 15:54:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: LA3EQ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA781E.B4C21250" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA781E.B4C21250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi OM Calling u on 502.6 kcs. Good signal ere at IO94SH/Scarborough de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA781E.B4C21250 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi OM
Calling u on 502.6 kcs. Good signal= ere at=20 IO94SH/Scarborough
de mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA781E.B4C21250-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db02.mx.aol.com (rly-db02.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.77]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB011-aaf4b29e7722c1; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 03:10:35 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB025-aaf4b29e7722c1; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 03:10:28 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLBNF-0000EL-BQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:06:13 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLBNE-0000EB-Vl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:06:13 +0000 Received: from smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.33]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLBPt-0001mk-VM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:09:00 +0000 Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl (dovemail9.xs4all.nl [194.109.26.11]) by smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBH88qeE007671 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:08:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Received: from 82.92.124.189 (SquirrelMail authenticated user pa0rdt) by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:08:57 +0100 Message-ID: <346854e9698cbf94f4483c66682bb63b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:08:57 +0100 From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.18 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Andy, Have you tried to mount it on a four metre high non metallic pole? It probably is still inside the noise field of the building, which drops off within a few metres. 73, Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma08.mx.aol.com (rly-ma08.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.52]) by air-ma02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA022-8c44b201da23; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:59:15 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA086-8c44b201da23; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:59:01 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIUXe-0005JF-C8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:57:50 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIUXd-0005J6-Uq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:57:49 +0000 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIUXc-0003Zw-9v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:57:49 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EFFB51C001 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 22:57:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10F33F3862 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 22:57:33 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 5C5AA18056; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 22:57:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from 41.96-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (41.96-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [87.64.96.41]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:57:32 +0100 Message-ID: <20091209225732.ahi8ld8y04g8oo8o@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:57:32 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <57a24ca70912091153iaa6a489ia1a35bc98f56233a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 87.64.96.41 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 507.77 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Joe, good copy at 21:50 UTC I will send you the message I copied direct as I won't spoil the fun for others. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting "jcraig@mun.ca" : > VX9MRC is sending a 'ceremonial' transmission until 2300 and again > at 0100 following the DDH47 transmissions on 147.3 kHz. Reports most > welcomed! > > 73 > Joe VO1NA > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (rly-dc01.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.30]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC061-b024b1ad0ab1ac; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 16:29:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC016-b024b1ad0ab1ac; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 16:29:17 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NH2At-00083S-IV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 21:28:19 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NH2At-00083J-4s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 21:28:19 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.128]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NH2Ar-0006to-DX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 21:28:19 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3416.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 153BF1C00090 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 22:28:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3416.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id F33121C00094 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 22:28:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.22.55]) by mwinf3416.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 6A85A1C00090 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 22:28:09 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20091205212809436.6A85A1C00090@mwinf3416.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <750DE0F5F3A843FEB87C73905C2B1019@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <59DC6AF25071476FA37B42E3896BC627@radiorummet><00aa01ca7548$de12ce70$0201a8c0@Clemens04><9AF4BA15A6D94C3483BB006F4E38040B@radiorummet><001a01ca758f$b9fba3d0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> <20091205214737.ab07d9ds00s44sso@webmail6.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20091205214737.ab07d9ds00s44sso@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 21:28:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz RTTY Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=LINES_OF_YELLING, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ok Rik , Thanks for the report , Yes I did notice ,'Dotty Boy' had jumped frequency at one time I thought the vfo was rusted solid, mid band , a wise choice to prevent out of band tx when it jumps and splashes about ? May be a little bit of history as well .. two rtty qso's on 500 at the same time G3XIZ / G7NKS G4WGT / G0NBD 73 -G.. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rik Strobbe" Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 8:47 PM To: Subject: LF: 500kHz RTTY > > Gary, Grahem, > > I followed your RTTY QSO (+/- 20:40 UTC) with almost perfect copy from > both station. > Even after a CW station started calling CQ about 200Hz up copy was > still good. RTTY 45dB/85Hz seems quite robust. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (rly-ma07.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.51]) by air-ma05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA054-8b84b1eced934; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:10:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA072-8b84b1eced934; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:10:35 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NI8FK-00077V-LN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:09:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NI8FK-00077M-8I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:09:26 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NI8FJ-00079I-Dw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:09:26 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E5D74C809B for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:09:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C0CC4C8177 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:09:19 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B1ECE8E.1040701@online.fr> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:09:18 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: [137kHz] "Y" and "AGC" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi LF good copy now of RA3YO and RN3AGC now ! see on the grabber . 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (rly-mf04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.174]) by air-mf02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF024-95a4b22498b2c8; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:30:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF048-95a4b22498b2c8; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:30:53 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ5ZJ-0007GP-Jo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:30:01 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJ5ZJ-0007GG-3q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:30:01 +0000 Received: from smtpa1.mediabeam.com ([194.25.41.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJ5ZH-0008Tm-HV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:30:01 +0000 Received: from r300-1 (balancer4.mediabeam.com [194.25.41.40]) by smtpa1.mediabeam.com (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nBBDTrV3008943 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:29:53 +0100 From: "Uwe Jannsen" To: Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:29:50 Message-ID: <14D807D90C0B0D1D3365@kabelmail.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-PRIORITY: 3 X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,INVALID_DATE=1.76 Subject: LF: QRH Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi all, I guess the window of the shack has been opened. pse see: http://dj8wx-dl.de/capt211 regards Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.140]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC022-a8d44b3c691e3da; 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31 Dec 2009 09:02:58 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01ca89f8$0dcbdf80$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4B3C344D.1030509@infoserve.net> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 09:03:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: LF: Re: WE2XGR/6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408c4b3c691d1c48 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Bob You are doing well in both directions E/W 73 es HNY de Mal/G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gibbs" To: Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 5:19 AM Subject: LF: WE2XGR/6 > WE2XGR/6 Aural copy into CN89LA 310458utc > 73 John / VE7BDQ > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd10.mx.aol.com (rly-dd10.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.157]) by air-dd06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD062-b9f4b31226c287; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:48:01 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD101-b9f4b31226c287; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:47:58 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNAaz-0007JB-LS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:40:37 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNAaz-0007J2-3L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:40:37 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNAgk-000683-WD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:46:37 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 22 Dec 2009 19:46:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO Uwe) [188.194.84.187] by mail.gmx.net (mp006) with SMTP; 22 Dec 2009 20:46:03 +0100 X-Authenticated: #9373712 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19EKYF2VoJE/TUmNBKoNS62TSv0GkdB/a8kUH+ZXt Fg/ccJ0r1KQptX Message-ID: <6372ACCF87F74230B9DB745D4422B260@Uwe> From: "Uwe Wensauer" To: References: <1552584960@web.de> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:46:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.59 X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: LF: =?iso-8859-15?Q?Re:_An_DK1KQ:_500_kHz_f=FCr_den_Funkamateur_SDR?= Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-15"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hallo Horst, verstehe nicht ganz was Du meinst. Ich vermute einmal, dass Du suchst "IQ-SDR-Minimalsystem auch fr Langwelle nutzen" FA 7/07 Seite 735-736 Hierfr htte ich auch noch eine Leiterplatte. Frohe Weihnachten 73 Uwe, DK1KQ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Horst Stcker" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 7:14 PM Subject: LF: An DK1KQ: 500 kHz fr den Funkamateur SDR Hallo Uwe, die in Deinem Buch genannte eMail-Adresse scheint nicht mehr zu stimme, daher nun auf diesem Wege: In welchem Heft war Dein Artikel ?? Schne Feiertage Horst DO1KHS ______________________________________________________ GRATIS fr alle WEB.DE-Nutzer: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://movieflat.web.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (rly-mf04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.174]) by air-mf06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF061-9544b193432353; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:09:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF042-9544b193432353; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:09:25 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGahg-0007i0-5u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:08:20 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGahf-0007hr-4j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:08:19 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGahd-0006a2-7o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:08:19 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgMKAHPCGEtcHB1d/2dsb2JhbACCJCyIeYJWBr0pi3uEMwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,342,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="136898467" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([92.28.29.93]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 04 Dec 2009 16:08:08 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01ca74fb$f884b360$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 16:08:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Whi is MCP? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA74FB.F84B7AF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA74FB.F84B7AF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris All the action every nite is around 137.7 on QRS 3 normally also DFCW= and some CW further down the band. Several stns active most nites, lately HB9, OE, OH, EW6, SP and RU et= c=20 If u want a QSO look in this area. I am also active especially if ther= e is DX about. mal/g3lev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chris=20 To: RSGB LF Group=20 Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:04 PM Subject: LF: Whi is MCP? Hi All, Can anyone tell me who was sending MCP on approx. 136.518kHz this mo= rning? Thanks. Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA74FB.F84B7AF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Chris
All the action every nite is around= 137.7 on QRS 3=20 normally also DFCW and some CW further down the band.
Several stns active most nites, latel= y HB9, OE, OH,=20  EW6, SP and RU etc
If u want a QSO look in this area. I= am also active=20 especially if there is DX about.
mal/g3lev
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Chris
Sent: Friday, December 04, 20= 09 2:04=20 PM
Subject: LF: Whi is MCP?

Hi All,
Can anyone tell me who was sending= MCP on approx.=20 136.518kHz this morning? Thanks.
Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable,=20 Kent.
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA74FB.F84B7AF0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de10.mx.aol.com (rly-de10.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.146]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE023-50b4b1e1c72363; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 04:29:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE106-50b4b1e1c72363; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 04:29:24 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHwMV-0005FK-BQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:28:03 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHwMU-0005FB-R4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:28:02 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHwMS-0005wm-Tn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:28:02 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.4]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091208092755.NQGR27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:27:55 +0000 Received: from [81.109.251.184] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHwMN-00059R-DD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:27:55 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:27:55 -0000 Message-ID: <003501ca77e8$b926db90$0317aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acp36LjyH9MKxSGNQ1CmwxBgGmbM9g== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1ggfb5FlKZQUfF3vzm9UBYZ2uTfLsbs/8dSljwg5+mE= c=1 sm=0 a=48Ehxe3m_MIA:10 a=DAY5hrtWD0GEsBp7W2wA:9 a=TxbchSdUGkeBGFZpz3ckyzRW9RgA:4 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=1Ds_vOqJDd_cpV-kGwsA:9 a=uttd_BlYdd2mf9r-AvoA:7 a=qlk4fAdkOH4Xw0w0pQfA5tB7MiEA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: G7NKS RTTY beacon running on 501.5. 1 : 10 min cycles Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01CA77E8.B926DB90" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CA77E8.B926DB90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear LF G7NKs is running a RTTY beacon on 501.5 Rprts welcome With best regards Jim ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CA77E8.B926DB90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear LF

 

G7NKs is running a RTTY beacon on 501.5=

 

Rprts welcome<= /p>

 

With best regards=

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CA77E8.B926DB90-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.75]) by air-di01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI013-eab84b367cb2106; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 16:14:26 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mc03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CE9F5380000FD; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 16:14:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOdxA-0007RB-US for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 21:13:36 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOdxA-0007R2-HS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 21:13:36 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOdx9-0006II-G4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 21:13:36 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.3]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091226211330.YMQJ17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 21:13:30 +0000 Received: from [86.27.92.51] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOdx3-0005n2-TI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 21:13:30 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <005301ca8657$3db3a2e0$0217aac0@desktop> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 21:13:29 -0000 Message-ID: <007b01ca8670$45893700$0217aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcqGVz1WP3WEL9GdRiS6IQTVXjO5FwAGPI+w In-Reply-To: <005301ca8657$3db3a2e0$0217aac0@desktop> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=LoVkp7eiav4GcXDOuKsA:9 a=_6zp-7RMnLrfD3CGtlD4CTnC1GgA:4 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=g7MYr8VOB0IEGcljHpMA:9 a=6RzKnwsJy-YQvF4zyscA:7 a=pJBBm1nVtE5X8FOVaGvkgVbJxgsA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: G7NKS running WSPR on 137.65 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007C_01CA8670.45893700" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604b4b367cb129ca X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_007C_01CA8670.45893700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wspr 137 now qrt and back on 500 ------=_NextPart_000_007C_01CA8670.45893700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_007C_01CA8670.45893700-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me10.mx.aol.com (rly-me10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.44]) by air-me09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME093-9de4b373b9b13d; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 05:49:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME102-9de4b373b9b13d; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 05:49:01 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOqfO-0001mH-CE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:48:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOqfN-0001m8-VA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:48:05 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOqfL-0008Q5-93 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:48:05 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBRAm0ai013297 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 11:48:00 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 11:48:00 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 11:48:04 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AD04@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <20091226232910.zvm80doogowog4sg@webmail6.kuleuven.be> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Thread-Index: AcqGe2cNhrkb1ogsQkmevQLiQtsjjgAZMrfg From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.647;26.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.27.104217 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Rik es tnx for your answer. In the first QSOs from /p I used the TX antenna. I quickly saw that SNR is= much better with a 6dB attenuator. In the last activity I even used 20dB.= But the SNR of the small active antenna is definitely better. Perhaps it= is a good idea to try even more attenuation, tnx, I will try that! On my QTH at my parents (2003/2004) I also used the TX antenna but it was= much smaller. This antenna was more suitable for RX although the actual= QTH is apart from any house in a region of some 100s meters... 73, Stefan -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe Gesendet: Samstag, 26. Dezember 2009 23:29 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Hello Stefan, why not use the "big" TX antenna also for RX. With a sufficient =20 atenuator of course. On 137kHz I alway used my TX antenna for RX, but a 40dB attenuator was =20 required to avoid overload at the RX. 73, Rik ON7YD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (rly-dc04.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.33]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC043-b1c4b22d59a275; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:28:40 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC048-b1c4b22d59a275; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:28:28 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJEtB-0003En-5T for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:27:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJEtA-0003Ee-K5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:27:08 +0000 Received: from web86507.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.132]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJEtA-00043E-07 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:27:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 88019 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Dec 2009 23:27:02 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1260574022; bh=0EyIXbRQdBNZOguTsfl6pqRujDAuBSa6Axocf15Lxhw=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zZQ0nZIuJ/2b/8SyvZci+U527xbuUC3V2/hBlSh4Nr0bedptdOliBfzEq9tEjMkT6sWIdAJRDu3OlwYRNaTi0aXgbWPrF+ErQYV8l7hUKrK+8gk/CMd8+woV1C1Joot6RB0vow2lFoTygRb9RsUNAXuHuGohYia3nwKh61nJHCU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yIMVMsHSQbDELD8lHJDg14a86MYaQ/tzWeITw86dvBj1TAiFq21pMFkEa163uMYZ5e8An9ugVwomwLO6AHzYH2yz6GOu5YRrrq1axJi8w6NX+QmZp74UHxVCYkwQexVZgyrQyc6Tp5koIGRTMSLx3pn9u0/VGIECYrRI9I8w9Mw=; Message-ID: <326421.87806.qm@web86507.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: PJimoPYVM1k_b6kCvDob530ZayeywfQakbwgFpLmBogRGg2ydX89U7Ec4iHhkxeRox0i_bA03JiBhhi0GmKLhY9dLnIka.RHSae4v0tj1kJCgIvb2JMQWRBtT0DA2JVWSaiRcK_z6r.VSe_JERciUzU4ov4WfEXYMXNRR5LBKUsnWrr1ygnAHC8CLbQ.7MMdoWgM4xfPHle3iR9MD0rR1Nfzm1BIXgMAKNw4d9oxEmMCvAfPpUXSS070j1Q1ZMMVA6fFq0hDjLab4hFaZ0JIgQSNm7Wcccrs Received: from [213.122.20.167] by web86507.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:27:02 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:27:02 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4B22CC94.8020404@online.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Intercontinental LF waterholes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m218.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass Hi all, I think Markus idea is a good start but we have always made it the= case that we do not have hard and fast rules on LF because the frequency= of operation epends so much on local conditions and it is no good anyone= laying down a marker that suits his location but doesnt fit with others. As I said Markus comment is a good guide. However......... Gerhard raise= s the point of using grabbers in your own continent for tests. This is goo= d and usefull to do....I have done it myself. All that you require is to= think about the long distance propagation and time your tests appropriate= ly. For instance US and Canadian stations will not really start to appear= until about their ground sunset (well ok, on very good days maybe a littl= e before that) So you could safely do "local" (same continent) tests betwe= en your sunset and the East Coast US sunset time. They probably wont take= too long and then it is unlikely you will interfere with anyone trying.= For a TA contact. Of course you "could" do the test in daytime!! This wou= ld actually be more reliable, particularly at present, when the daytime pa= ths are very consistant. You obviously need a grabber in daytime range. Th= e old geoclock is an invaluable guide though I am sure there are other now= . Just remember you are very strong at night in your own continent, and try= to stay out of the immediate areas where DX signal may be coming in. We are hardly wall to wall QRM on LF and MF yet so enjoy it. Alan G3NYK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (rly-dc01.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.30]) by air-dc07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC072-b004b1edb8f354; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:04:54 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC014-b004b1edb8f354; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:04:49 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NI95j-0007I2-QK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:03:35 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NI95j-0007Ht-4g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:03:35 +0000 Received: from mx38.mail.ru ([94.100.176.52]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NI95g-0003FU-Rf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:03:35 +0000 Received: from [79.98.8.6] (port=53562 helo=EFREMOV) by mx38.mail.ru with asmtp id 1NI95b-000LKX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 02:03:27 +0300 X-Nat-Received: 172.16.10.160 Message-ID: <001901ca785a$a2509420$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> From: "Andrey rn3agc" To: References: <4B1ECE8E.1040701@online.fr> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:03:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: [137kHz] "Y" and "AGC" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Many thanks, Jean-Pierre! 73 Andrey > Hi LF > good copy now of RA3YO and RN3AGC now ! > see on the grabber . > 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md09.mx.aol.com (rly-md09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.147]) by air-md08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD081-9284b2d5a99323; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:58:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD098-9284b2d5a99323; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:58:35 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NM8Ab-0003mV-EZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:53:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NM8Aa-0003mM-T2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:53:04 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NM8E1-0004mc-IG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:56:40 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so2960423bwz.4 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 14:57:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=JiM+In+1dzJNln4Po8bXqgYI8GV8q6cipjLQmTfws88=; b=Q676Phrnd1TnoND7GpvfGPltAFaZHRJbGuGvfgaGpsB/D9himCQqUZGPEu0eCndbJu wyprAR2WiZ6C+agOrO9PHg4OzZVIkPJpM+HZLzt9Rr90F/zqYBG3I452n7BhPdhxr5JB l0QbIGny59XhBR77RlWgvIyafLVZpysi5v0C4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=dT5oJuDQWAl8+o+oD5orO1LcDHKPQ3xLY93W1VpWl5H2VwxNScAJ1Gf9ViFXsVTliP uWp6FlQ1Y0JkeCiHkIVAiboOQNEU3UMTjUMgtRISA1Cx/uHLHCTr3SjT+41/iBUDNFDj 4ZhI6PqC7qIxzcMxSrVbJhBAgzXsuEX9dWIRE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.5.66 with SMTP id 2mr3528888bku.198.1261263434740; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 14:57:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <002801ca80dc$639db200$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <002801ca80dc$639db200$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:57:14 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2640912191457x6b4d14bfp72686fa3f00c386@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: HOT 500 RX Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151758a4c4fef60f047b1cc667 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m270.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00151758a4c4fef60f047b1cc667 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Looks a very nice receiver Mal. My only experience of the Eddystone brand was an EC10 many years ago. This one looks rather better! 73s Roger G3XBM 2009/12/19 mal hamilton > Using a marine RX Haghenuk EE 430 at present 10 kcs - 30 mcs. Hot RX on > 500 kcs > de G3KEV > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00151758a4c4fef60f047b1cc667 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looks a very nice receiver Mal. My only experience of the Eddystone brand= was an EC10 many years ago. This one looks rather better!

73s
= Roger G3XBM

2009/12/19 mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talkta= lk.net>
=A0=A0Using a marine RX Haghenuk EE= 430 at=20 present 10 kcs - 30 mcs. Hot RX on 500 kcs
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--00151758a4c4fef60f047b1cc667-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md09.mx.aol.com (rly-md09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.147]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD054-9274b25274919c; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 12:41:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD097-9274b25274919c; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 12:41:31 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJsQB-0006ru-Pe for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:39:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJsQB-0006rl-Dp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:39:51 +0000 Received: from mailout04.t-online.de ([194.25.134.18]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJsQh-0005LZ-M7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:40:25 +0000 Received: from fwd09.aul.t-online.de by mailout04.t-online.de with smtp id 1NJsQI-0002vk-04; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:39:58 +0100 Received: from e7010 (bRCf4eZAZhL1iko0DdK2rxvxsP4T7fGY8PRcMgz8jPaZD2y7LxvDDWdnmviz2zTwQ3@[84.147.223.140]) by fwd09.aul.t-online.de with smtp id 1NJsQG-0Wo2lc0; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:39:56 +0100 Message-ID: <002c01ca7c1b$48b827b0$6402a8c0@e7010> From: "Walter und Marianne Staubach" To: Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:39:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-ID: bRCf4eZAZhL1iko0DdK2rxvxsP4T7fGY8PRcMgz8jPaZD2y7LxvDDWdnmviz2zTwQ3 X-TOI-MSGID: db3518a7-360d-48c2-8c33-e87de375f463 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: DI2AG QRO QRSS3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01CA7C23.A86D5EC0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01CA7C23.A86D5EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear MF, DI2AG is now transmitting in QRSS3 with more power - 2W ERP= instead of 0.4W ERP. Please your reports via wum.staubach@t-online.de= or dj2lf@darc.de=20 The machine will run until tomorrow 7UTC - if she does the job. Thanks and 73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01CA7C23.A86D5EC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear MF,
      &= nbsp; DI2AG is=20 now transmitting in  QRSS3 with more power - 2W ERP instead of 0.= 4W ERP.=20 Please your reports via w= um.staubach@t-online.de or dj2lf= @darc.de
The machine will run until tomorrow= 7UTC - if she=20 does the job.
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------=_NextPart_000_0029_01CA7C23.A86D5EC0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg12.mx.aol.com (rly-dg12.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.96]) by air-dg01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG014-60e4b2500c0e1; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:57:22 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG125-60e4b2500c0e1; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:57:06 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJpq6-0003l3-Vm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:54:26 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJpq5-0003ku-WD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:54:26 +0000 Received: from smtp6.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.192]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJpqe-0003JU-8a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:55:02 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3624.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8E88C700008B for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:54:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3624.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 826F8700008E for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:54:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.84.87]) by mwinf3624.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id BE968700008B for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:54:51 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20091213145451780.BE968700008B@mwinf3624.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <6E7638745A1B43168C402CDBB010C2A7@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <9afca2640912091527s766a7e64wa10ad3be7c7f6f08@mail.gmail.com> <241919.87622.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9afca2640912130305r3acb5e5fs991caaa1115d2255@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9afca2640912130305r3acb5e5fs991caaa1115d2255@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:54:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<< Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01CA7C04.38F20920" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01CA7C04.38F20920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roger, Either way the cct is nice way into 500 from hf , I have seen a= board marketed (possibly from Germany) that makes a stand-alone = xtal oscillator temperature controlled by simply bonding the heate= r board to the xtal can, the board having the heater and temperatu= re controller on it, a bit of polystyrene, one txco ! I think Gary sent me the link a while ago, when he was looking fo= r a stable signal source .... I'm not quite sure which is the more= difficult route ..diy or ex-military .. may be the 'slog factor'= is the same , diy takes a long time coming , while the ex-military= route is fine till it falls over .. then takes a long time mendin= g .. hi I would think the ft817 is quite stable , what is the master oscill= ator frequency, ? it may be over 28 mhz , in which case the drift= may be only fractionally dependant on the change of frequency ..im= my ft897 the mo is running on 67.87 MHz , so a change from 28= to 10 would result in a minimal improvement.=20 G ..=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 11:05 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<< Yes, 10MHz would be a better choice. I used 28MHz as it allowed both= 136 and 500kHz transversion (is that a real word?) from within a sing= le ham band with the same transverter (apart from PA filter) with a ha= m band only TX radio like the FT817. Using a TXCO of course would be= an added aid to stability. The transverter unit was going to be finally boxed yesterday but we ha= ve been "grandson sitting" this weekend as mum and dad are poorly and= now my wife has gone done with the same tummy bug as well! 73s Roger G3XBM 2009/12/10 ALAN MELIA Hi Roger yes you are right of course its the drift within a qso peri= od or even an over that is most important. Very Good. I wonder whether the use of 10MHz as an "IF" would be a possibility?= This would allow readily available TCXOs or even OCXOs to be used for= the LO. I guess the split should be enough to allow your filter/diple= xor to work. It obviously only removes one source of drift, one cant= do much about the 817, but that also should be less at 10MHz? Alan G3NYK --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Roger Lapthorn wrote: > From: Roger Lapthorn > Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA MODES<< > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 23:27 > With the transverter "in the > open" (rat's nest) on the desktop there is a > warm-up drift of about 40Hz HF until things settle down. > This has not been an issue with WSPR as the drift in a > single TX slot is only about 1-2Hz usually (WSPR copes with > this) and it soon settles down to 0Hz drift. I have not > tried QRSS but imagine you'd have to ensure the xtal > oscillator is made more thermally stable for v.slow QRSS, > but would guess it would be OK for some moderate QRSS > operation. Putting the whole unit in a box should help. > > > My little circuit works, but is surely capable of much > improvement, HI. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > 2009/12/9 ALAN MELIA > > Sounds good Roger and Graham... > what it the stability like the problem with > transverters/upconverters normally is that while ok for some > modes they are often not stable enough for the very weak > signal modes. These are modes where you need to know the > frequency of a station very accurately because you will not > hear it, or it will only pop above the noise for short > periods. > > > > > Alan G3NYK > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/12/09, Graham > wrote: > > > > > From: Graham > > > Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter > >>DATA MODES<< > > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > > Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 22:13 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All > > > > > > This latest > > > addition to the > > > HF / MF tx convertor opens the door > > > to data > > > communications on 500 ... ranging from > > > 'all' the K1JT systems > > > through to the single carrier > > > multi tone > > > systems of > > > MFSK , DOMINO and THOR .. even > > > the almost > > > forgotten Amtor-arq and Packtor modes , anyone > > > still have > > > there pk232 > > > > > > listed are > > > data modes that may be used with > > > non-linear systems :- > > > > > > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/meat-grinder-comms > > > > > > G.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Roger > > > Lapthorn > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 12:20 AM > > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > > > > > > > > Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX > > > transverter > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > My WSPR tx up-converter has now been modified to > > > a full TX/RX tranverter suitable for WSPR, QRSS and > > > CW in a > > > very simple way, making use of the FT817 split > > > facility which allows you > > > to RX on 500kHz and TX on 28MHz. By adding a series > LC > > > between the TX PA and the > > > FT817 input/output RF connection (with back-to-back > diodes > > > at the L and C > > > junction, this allows "pass through" from > the > > > 500kHz ATU to the FT817 on RX > > > (tuned to 500kHz). On TX, the diodes conduct and the C > part > > > is in parallel with > > > the first cap in the TX low pass filter. This scheme > is now > > > working really well > > > with good RX sensitivity and no change in TX power > out. > > > > > > Schematic of the > > > transverter is on my blog at http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > > > . My > > > attempt to add it as an attachment to an email here > earlier > > > failed. > > > > > > This more or less concludes my 500kHz experimenting, > apart > > > from > > > getting a few more CW QSOs in the log. It's been > great > > > fun all the way with lots > > > of support from folks here. I was going to try 136kHz, > but > > > think I will now give > > > this a miss for now. > > > > > > 73s > > > Roger G3XBM > > > -- > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > > > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > > > G3XBM > > > GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 > > --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01CA7C04.38F20920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Roger,
 
Either  way the  cct is nic= e way=20 into  500  from hf , I have  seen a  board markete= d =20 (possibly from Germany) that makes a  stand-alone  xtal=20 oscillator  temperature  controlled by simply bonding the&nb= sp; heater=20 board to the  xtal can, the  board having the  heater= and =20 temperature controller  on it, a bit  of polystyrene,= one =20 txco !
 
I think  Gary  sent me the&= nbsp; link=20 a  while ago, when he was looking  for a  stable signal= source=20 .... I'm not  quite  sure which is the more  difficult= route=20 ..diy or  ex-military .. may be the  'slog factor' is= the =20 same , diy takes a long time coming , while the  ex-military rout= e=20 is fine till it  falls  over .. then takes a = long=20 time  mending  .. hi
 
I would think the  ft817 is quit= e  stable=20 , what is the  master oscillator  frequency, ? it may be ove= r 28 =20 mhz , in which case the  drift may be only fractionally dependant= on=20 the  change  of frequency ..im my  ft897  the = ; mo is=20 running on  67.87 MHz , so a  change  from 28 to = 10 =20 would  result in a  minimal improvement.
 
G ..
 
 

Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >&g= t;DATA=20 MODES<<

Yes, 10MHz would be a better choice. I used 28MHz as it= allowed=20 both 136 and 500kHz transversion (is that a real word?) from within a= single ham=20 band with the same transverter (apart from PA filter) with a ham band= only TX=20 radio like the FT817. Using a TXCO of course would be an added aid to= =20 stability.

The transverter unit was going to be finally boxed= yesterday=20 but we have been "grandson sitting" this weekend as mum and dad are po= orly and=20 now my wife has gone done with the same tummy bug as well!

73s<= BR>Roger=20 G3XBM


2009/12/10 ALAN MELIA <alan.melia@btinternet.com= >
Hi Roger= yes you are right of course its the drift within a=20 qso period or even an over that is most important. Very Good.
I wonder=20 whether the use of 10MHz as an "IF" would be a possibility? This wou= ld allow=20 readily available TCXOs or even OCXOs to be used for the LO. I guess= the split=20 should be enough to allow your filter/diplexor to work. It obviously= only=20 removes one source of drift, one cant do much about the 817, but tha= t also=20 should be less at 10MHz?

Alan G3NYK

--- On Wed, 9/12/0= 9, Roger=20 Lapthorn <rogerlap= thorn@gmail.com>=20 wrote:

> From: Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com>
>=20 Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter >>DATA=20 MODES<<
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>=20 Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 23:27
> With the transverter "in the
> open" (rat= 's nest) on=20 the desktop there is a
> warm-up drift of about 40Hz HF until= things=20 settle down.
> This has not been an issue with WSPR as the dri= ft in=20 a
> single TX slot is only about 1-2Hz usually (WSPR copes wit= h
>=20 this) and it soon settles down to 0Hz drift. I have not
> trie= d QRSS but=20 imagine you'd have to ensure the xtal
> oscillator is made mor= e=20 thermally stable for v.slow QRSS,
> but would guess it would= be OK for=20 some moderate QRSS
> operation. Putting the whole unit in a bo= x should=20 help.
>
>
> My little circuit works, but is surely= capable=20 of much
> improvement, HI.
>
> 73s
> Roger= =20 G3XBM
>
> 2009/12/9 ALAN MELIA <alan.melia@btinternet.com>
><= BR>>=20 Sounds good Roger and Graham...
> what it the stability like= the problem=20 with
> transverters/upconverters normally is that while ok for= =20 some
> modes they are  often not stable enough for the ve= ry=20 weak
> signal modes. These are modes where you need to know th= e
>=20 frequency of a station very accurately because you will not
>= hear it,=20 or it will only pop above the noise for short
>=20 periods.
>
>
>
>
> Alan=20 G3NYK
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 9/= 12/09,=20 Graham <g8fzk@g8fz= k.fsnet.co.uk>
>=20 wrote:
>
>
>
> > From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk&= gt;
>
>=20 > Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter
> >>= ;DATA=20 MODES<<
>
> > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>
>= ;=20 > Date: Wednesday, 9 December, 2009, 22:13
>
>=20 >
>
> >
>
> >
>
>=20 >
>
> >
>
> >
>
>=20 >
>
> > All
>
> >
>
>= > This=20  latest
>
> > addition to  the
>
&= gt; >=20 HF / MF  tx convertor  opens the  door
>
>= ; > to=20  data
>
> > communications  on 500 ... rang= ing=20  from
>
> > 'all'  the K1JT systems
>=
>=20 > through to  the  single carrier
>
> >= multi=20  tone
>
> > systems  of
>
> >= ; MFSK=20  ,  DOMINO and THOR  .. even
>
> > the= =20  almost
>
> > forgotten  Amtor-arq  an= d Packtor=20 modes , anyone
>
> > still  have
>
>= >=20 there pk232
>
> >
>
> > listed=20  are
>
> > data  modes that  may be &n= bsp;used=20 with
>
> > non-linear systems :-
>
>=20 >
>
> >
>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/meat-grinder-com= ms
>
>=20 >
>
> > G..
>
> >
>
>= =20 >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >= From:=20 Roger
>
> > Lapthorn
>
> > Sent: Tuesd= ay,=20 December 08, 2009 12:20 AM
>
> > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>=20 >
>
> >
>
> > Subject: LF: 500kHz= simple 5W=20 TX/RX
>
> > transverter
>
> >
><= BR>>=20 > Dear All,
>
> >
>
> > My WSPR tx= =20 up-converter has now been modified to
>
> > a full TX= /RX=20 tranverter suitable for WSPR, QRSS and
>
> > CW  = ;in=20 a
>
> > very simple way, making use of the FT817=20 split
>
> > facility which allows you
>
>= > to=20 RX on 500kHz and TX on 28MHz. By adding a series
> LC
><= BR>>=20 > between the TX PA and the
>
> > FT817 input/outp= ut RF=20 connection (with back-to-back
> diodes
>
> > at= the L and=20 C
>
> > junction, this allows "pass through" from
= >=20 the
>
> > 500kHz ATU to the FT817 on RX
>
&g= t; >=20 (tuned to 500kHz). On TX, the diodes conduct and the C
>=20 part
>
> > is in parallel with
>
> >= the first=20 cap in the TX low pass filter. This scheme
> is now
>> >=20 working really well
>
> > with good RX sensitivity an= d no=20 change in TX power
> out.
>
> >
>
>= >=20 Schematic of the
>
> > transverter is on my blog at= ht= tp://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
>
> > .=20 My
>
> > attempt to add it as an attachment to an ema= il=20 here
> earlier
>
> > failed.
>
>=20 >
>
> > This more or less concludes my 500kHz=20 experimenting,
> apart
>
> > from
>
&g= t; >=20 getting a few more CW QSOs in the log. It's been
> great
&g= t;
>=20 > fun all the way with lots
>
> > of support from= folks=20 here. I was going to try 136kHz,
> but
>
> > th= ink I will=20 now give
>
> > this a miss for now.
>
>= =20 >
>
> > 73s
>
> > Roger G3XBM
&g= t;
>=20 > --
>
> >
>
> >
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>
> > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
>
> >=20 G3XBM
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> >
>
>=20 >
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>
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------=_NextPart_000_0017_01CA7C04.38F20920-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me05.mx.aol.com (rly-me05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.39]) by air-me05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME053-9ba4b210bdd6b; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:55:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me05.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME056-9ba4b210bdd6b; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:55:27 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NIkPT-0002sA-Nf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:54:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NIkPT-0002s1-4M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:54:27 +0000 Received: from web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.124]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NIkPS-0003Ty-Vk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:54:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 61753 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Dec 2009 14:54:21 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1260456861; bh=ZaGW9BGPfHHbi6ILie5+4dmtkU3apg9lS/OZYKfrvkA=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qDAoanCqGmA/cPw8Wecig3QaQpjgkuqS5H57ZAah0O55xnFrJEon8EzVU/Pyfjvc3DjG58Eay3MhLobLOyn2VX1q73oSkQlBxtZ+/B+5K9UAGjFwp0Uv+kNUWi8sHEGvugD9ER/oyE/JyZWJGP1AVe1ZhngN+Rm1l3dBEFVsxT0= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nnhCz/saZoKPrWISy0LSyL1PQPfelpNKY8okgbVzpFxtTNr8rQqPTpwQYjyiW/94U8tOL4UK5dep8mX9Vs7ebN2HzOM48t3ZgFuGWwbP5FYJZ4NnChJ5Qq/5hW53jwqy28PxOg8v47LYimDvcMWXwAsaQ3kck/UY91tuiDgBzTk=; Message-ID: <170190.60453.qm@web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: EBPzFqIVM1k9ets_N0p1mDsn3UdQgKlNG9MkRc6SF4FA3eFzEN2atu8M9xCE7HvMLFIqMnGfKflqwkzEDJAblBDSrPGfjxksH9BjO6yqNBV_aB5LVpxE2mRQ0t5wKhZRR_GlPDxjmamqu3UmA1VWG1iiJhLqTBz8fbr4.4ydGY1k0tqobFAfyzVh4avMkoW6ed2Psn2UV295ve_67CjMcrI1HrRBRGUZf2N0t8MoWrbCFFuOBgiE7Ae5M9lPprGEZdAaYaepvDrIVwQTF_I- Received: from [86.149.155.134] by web28104.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:54:20 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:54:20 -0800 (PST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <200912101311320337.00F58B02@smtp2.numeo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: Geneva and WRC-12 Agenda Items Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1103490079-1260456860=:60453" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d242.1 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-1103490079-1260456860=:60453 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi John =A0 Have you received my parcel yet,=A0with the soft rock ? =A0 73 petefmt --- On Thu, 10/12/09, John RABSON wrote: From: John RABSON Subject: Re: LF: Geneva and WRC-12 Agenda Items To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thursday, 10 December, 2009, 12:11 I believe (though I can't find the reference) that someone in France made= an informal enquiry - not via REF) about the equivalent of an NoV for 500= .=A0 The reply translated as "that part of the spectrum is not allocation= to the amateur service". F5VLF *********** REPLY SEPARATOR=A0 *********** On 10/12/2009 at 03:27 M0FMT wrote: >FYI=A0 ?? >"There is opposition to this proposal, primarily from the maritime servic= e >via the International Maritime Organisation and this has led to France >presenting a paper under agenda item 1.10 that suggests a use for the ban= d >495-505 kHz using datamodes.=A0=A0This was in response to papers from Can= ada >and the UK that proposed a secondary amateur band between 493 and 510(515= ) >kHz.=A0=A0There appears to be no commercial or technical reasoning behind= this >paper and it is suspected to be based on emotive grounds >only.=A0=A0Nevertheless agenda item 1.23 still requires a lot more suppor= t if >it is going to be successful." >73 petefmt =20 --0-1103490079-1260456860=:60453 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi John
 
Have you received my parcel yet, with the soft rock ?
 
73 petefmt

--- On Thu, 10/12/09, John RABSON <john.ra= bson@numeo.fr> wrote:

From: John RABSON <john.rabson= @numeo.fr>
Subject: Re: LF: Geneva and WRC-12 Agenda Items
To: rs= gb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Thursday, 10 December, 2009, 12:11
=
I believe (though I can't find the reference) that= someone in France made an informal enquiry - not via REF) about the equiv= alent of an NoV for 500.  The reply translated as "that part of the= spectrum is not allocation to the amateur service".

F5VLF

*= ********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 10/12/2009 at 03:27= M0FMT wrote:

>FYI  ??
>"There is opposition to this= proposal, primarily from the maritime service
>via the Internationa= l Maritime Organisation and this has led to France
>presenting a pap= er under agenda item 1.10 that suggests a use for the band
>495-505= kHz using datamodes.  This was in response to papers from Canad= a
>and the UK that proposed a secondary amateur band between 493 and= 510(515)
>kHz.  There appears to be no commercial or tech= nical reasoning behind this
>paper and it is suspected to be based= on emotive grounds
>only.  Nevertheless agenda item 1.23 still requi= res a lot more support if
>it is going to be successful."
>73= petefmt






=20 --0-1103490079-1260456860=:60453-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me09.mx.aol.com (rly-me09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.43]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME064-9da4b37e821133; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 18:05:21 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME096-9da4b37e821133; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 18:05:07 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NP29H-0003WX-Mw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 23:03:43 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NP29H-0003WO-3f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 23:03:43 +0000 Received: from web86508.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.133]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NP29F-0008Gp-8g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 23:03:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 44184 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Dec 2009 23:03:35 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1261955015; bh=YwJ9eKnl4jzBdyRdqKcfcWIGSVKwvdQmTnjMfuTdLjA=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=c1aE+6Y36orSDU9uC3vVcv3jvclKbX/N9E+YWrG+QS2DGJVJf7L6CpDSo/WwVLc4EHanUTmLKM5PXiKaOYck/Ku2JY2k9rkOOQ8l3UOpKmgEXO7E5ye1kPrByHdJrwc1yCIM5SqOLWeM7eD2d3OqRvtZnYsU7VUwajC7HSuSiiI= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=x7EDJSlzTSWMXPJCkB3ZBXaElVwclKDGP+z/6GQnAqvDNBKf+2555ZE57hwhHJ9ZawNjOjVWR6hp7QK3AKEUFAuoVgLl4e+uieXJ4nFShfmBT/jPGwhRlKHfLJ+R/vcJ3BS6a6s8vygyKBWpolf/2CimgLxn6gZHVM256VMBCWQ=; Message-ID: <166469.41692.qm@web86508.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: wV7HBnIVM1k5H32U9dGa_MKvif06b0gUp749KC61oBR40J6X4NUKaJcyCGgs2GmqcvodvpSL5vX1GXosZrIANvsv.gAR1Iy8nKcAAcqSs.UzlAMUgXUJCVNhEiU5CQbFTqyvvEsxHDmij0J9W0dDsnra7GAMAkxzNY272NWrSY16lCou6az9dSRKRvUt5arK9h.TtBw5yZPLEmjSeGhZ9X7ku4mAysmiK5AGlfUkYOAGjgjJOtWuajH_PFhIr_msGi9nbxrjcub9_cWdOK8uEHsPC9KR6uCmM8R20Roo6SJRHXV5aRyX7mPJ4Se8ZPHZHXoRHbsLFVs- Received: from [81.131.61.246] by web86508.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 23:03:34 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 23:03:34 +0000 (GMT) From: ALAN MELIA To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m251.1 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass Hi Ken. I dont know but I would think it should be minimal. The "suckout= effect" does seem to be most pronounced with tuned aerials. I likened it= to a GDO effect where a passive tuned circuit absorbs power from an oscil= lator. Roelof's mini-whip not being tuned and being a fairly small couplin= g capacitance, and so would probably not show the effect. The effect is mo= st noticable on receiving loops where a tuned T can totally destroy the pa= ttern of a loop and also injects wideband noise into it. However detuing= the "T" removes the great majority of the problem. I have a dramatic demo= of the coupling when I got a high induced voltage from a nearby lightning= srtike which jumped from the isolated wire end to a earthy point. My indo= or tuned loop was "inside" the inverted "L" profile and the voltage transf= ered to the 16t loop blew the gate out of a 2N3819 I use as and impedance= converter. I draw the wire out of the house on nearby storms now !! =20 Roelof's mini-whip is certainly a very useful addtion to the LF receiving= armoury..... though it is not as simple to use as we might expect.....as= shown by some of the recent messages.=20 Best Wishes for DX in 2010 Alan G3NYK =20 --- On Sun, 27/12/09, Ken wrote: > From: Ken > Subject: Re: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Sunday, 27 December, 2009, 12:20 > Hello Alan. > A very interesting paper of yours, is it likely that there > will be the same=20 > interaction between a T antenna and the PA0RDT Mini Whip? >=20 > 73. > Ken > M0KHW >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "ALAN MELIA" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 11:51 AM > Subject: Re: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small > rx antenna >=20 >=20 > Hi Stefan I hope it does not give you indigestion :-)) >=20 > Good luck with it.....all LF sites are different so in > general require=20 > different detailed solutions. It seemed generally to be > sufficient to=20 > de-tune the unused antenna to reduce the interaction to low > levels. >=20 > Best Wishes for Dx in the New Year > Alan G3NYK >=20 > --- On Sun, 27/12/09, Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer > wrote: >=20 > > From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer > > Subject: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small > rx antenna > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Date: Sunday, 27 December, 2009, 10:55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > Alan, tnx, i have > > printed your article and will read it now at > breakfast > > ;-) > > > > > > > > Perhaps > > I will come back > > with some questions=E2=80=A6 J > > > > > > > > 73, > > Stefan/DK7FC > > > > -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche > > Nachricht----- > > > > Von: > > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] > Im Auftrag von ALAN > > MELIA > > > > Gesendet: > > Sonntag, 27. Dezember > > 2009 01:32 > > > > An: > > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > > > Betreff: Re: > > LF: Influence of a TX > > antenna to a small rx antenna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephan yes the aerialls will > > be very close > > compared with the wavelength so they > will interact > > particularly is tuned. We > > did some measurements ar Finbar's > location several > > years ago > > > > http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/aecouple.htm > > > > > > > > The interaction was measured on an > antenna RF > > bridge, and demonstrates > > the coupling between two wires. > > > > > > > > Best Wishes > > > > Alan G3NYK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb08.mx.aol.com (rly-mb08.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.166]) by air-mb02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB024-d1d4b38c9d88f; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:08:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB081-d1d4b38c9d88f; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:08:10 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NPHBe-0005cF-LY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:07:10 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NPHBe-0005c6-3i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:07:10 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NPHBc-0003b4-F9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:07:10 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBSF77h5013506 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:07:07 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:07:07 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:07:06 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AD0B@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <20091228152259.1s7jpzyps0w40o8o@webmail6.kuleuven.be> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Thread-Index: AcqHyzciwfkVodJLTDiccI++7BKG/wAAhrlg From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.648;28.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.28.145118 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Rik! Tnx for your explanations. So, perhaps my RX SNR could even be increased= by more attenuation, that would be fine. I thought the most of us using a separate RX antenna, like the PA0RDT desi= gn or a receiving loop. But now it sounds, that some are using the TX ant?= =20 Another question: If you say that there has just to be a little difference= in the noise between connected and disconnected antenna, I think you mean= , that the difference has to be as small as possible? Because, the case th= at there is a difference, occurs at all attenuation levels from 0 dB to a= maximum, say 60db. So 0 dB would also fulfill this statement, of course.= But if the difference should be as small as possible, what about the inte= rnal noise of the RX system? Is the part of this internal noise in that ca= se not to much relevant? Or in other words, doesn't it decrease the SNR,= if the part of the received signal is small compared to the RX-internal= noise? I thought, the level of the received signal should be as HIGH as= possible, so that the input stage is just not overdriven!? 73, Stefan/DK7FC -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe Gesendet: Montag, 28. Dezember 2009 15:23 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: AW: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna Hello Stefan, there is a easy way to check if you have too much attenuation or not: Tune the RX to an unused freq (only noise/QRN) and disconnect the =20 antenna; if you can hear the difference between antenna / no antenna =20 then attenuation is not too much. With a 11m high / 25m long lazy-L antenna at a quiet location I could =20 add 40dB attenuation and still hear the noise increasing when =20 connecting the antenna. I guess with a kite-antenna 50 to 60dB might be a good value. Of course it all depends also on the RX used, I use a Kenwood TS440 =20 that seems to be sensitive at LF. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma09.mx.aol.com (rly-ma09.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.53]) by air-ma06.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA063-8cd4b2571b0db; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:59:07 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA097-8cd4b2571b0db; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:58:57 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJxNK-000281-An for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:57:14 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJxNJ-00027s-Nb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:57:13 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJxO4-0005zG-1v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:58:01 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (co02-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B20E8134245 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:57:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps02.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.138] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.58V) with ESMTP id XID694NLmw625601X02; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:57:53 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.138 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps02.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID694NLmw625601X02 Received: from [192.168.1.4] [151.47.223.119] by cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 435NLmw6Y0272M38; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:57:50 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.223.119 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.4] Message-ID: <4B25716B.8050408@usa.net> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:57:47 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LF Mailing List X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID435NLmw6Y0272X38 X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_08=2.435,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.001 Subject: LF: DI2AM Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------010008080605000607060200" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_02, HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_08,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_ONLY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 --------------010008080605000607060200 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Dogbones" signal for DI2AM at 505.185 (but may be I am off a bit...)

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It was some QRN last night, but your signal was fine. Lubos, OK2BVG =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED infor= mace. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop=3D --_c781a9d1-5ef3-4096-9b75-904915d16cb6_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Warren, LF!
It was some QRN last night, but your signal was fine.=

Lubos, OK2BVG


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helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKfN3-0000Gj-Jr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:55:56 +0000 thread-index: Acp90Wdl7PoU/4JiShiKc164PD0ZvQ== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 X-SPAM-FLAG:NO Received: from ([127.0.0.1]) with MailEnable ESMTP; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:56:06 +0000 Message-ID: <58E5518A3C1E431D94BE909B2497657E@radiorummet> From: "Gus" To: References: <28E30F96FE754DB5B117179FDF03920A@AGB> In-Reply-To: <28E30F96FE754DB5B117179FDF03920A@AGB> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:56:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-CHK: uvtcmail.se X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0030_01CA7DD9.C82FEE00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01CA7DD9.C82FEE00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Graham, Gus run 3 W ERP. de Gus ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:19 PM Subject: Re: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9 Is Gus running 3 watts to the Ae or 3 watts ERP ? G ..=20 From: Anton B=E4rtschi=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 7:13 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9 The SM6BHZ Beacon on 600m is 579 here tonight. Not bad for 3W.=20 Why WSPR when CW works fine? What a wonderfull band! 73 de Toni, HB9ASB ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01CA7DD9.C82FEE00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Graham,
 
Gus run 3=20 W ERP.
 
de Gus
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Sent: Tuesday, December 15,= 2009 10:19=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: SM6BHZ stron= g in=20 HB9

Is Gus  running  3 watts&= nbsp; to=20 the  Ae or  3 watts  ERP ?
 
G ..

Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 7:13 PM
Subject: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9

The SM6BHZ Beacon on 600m is 579 here tonight. Not ba= d for 3W.=20
Why WSPR when CW works fine? What a wonderfull band!
73 de To= ni,=20 HB9ASB


------=_NextPart_000_0030_01CA7DD9.C82FEE00-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb12.mx.aol.com (rly-mb12.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.170]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB044-d444b19b5fa322; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 20:23:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb12.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB128-d444b19b5fa322; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 20:23:08 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGjLm-00045L-NR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 01:22:18 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGjLm-000459-4S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 01:22:18 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGjLk-0001t7-Fq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 01:22:18 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 05 Dec 2009 01:22:10 -0000 Received: from p5DC43D4D.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.196.61.77] by mail.gmx.net (mp010) with SMTP; 05 Dec 2009 02:22:10 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19mCfZVCSJmYXMS7K3sR+B3mEDr74Xjmf5OrUmA1V BcP4Ps5XCG2aJ3 Message-ID: <00c001ca7549$5dd73dd0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <59DC6AF25071476FA37B42E3896BC627@radiorummet> <000a01ca7546$54b355c0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 02:22:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.57,0.57 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BC_01CA7551.BDEB36B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=BEEN_TURNED_DOWN,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00BC_01CA7551.BDEB36B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Gus,LF, Addendum: As my internert connection has been broken during the last hours no data upload has taken place. Probably a few loggings are missing because I had to use my dipole for receiving whis is periodically disturbed when our heater is is on. My K9AY has been turned down this late afternoon by our three months old labrador 'Luke'. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ---- Original Message ----- From: Clemens Paul To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 1:33 AM Subject: LF: Re: WSPR on 137 kHz Hi GUs, see below: 2118 8 0.4 136.151499 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2138 9 0.6 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2144 8 0.7 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2218 7 0.6 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2222 8 0.7 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 2226 9 0.8 136.151500 0 SM6BHZ JO57 17 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Gus To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:55 PM Subject: LF: WSPR on 137 kHz Hello LF-group, this evening i will transmit, WSPR on 137.650 kHz 136.150 kHz dial. Power abt 50 mW ERP. Transmitter start at 16:00 GMT All reports are welcome. You can also log on, www.sm6bhz.com 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.709 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.93/2544 - Ausgabedatum: 12/04/09 08:32:00 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei. Von AVG berprft - www.avg.de Version: 9.0.709 / Virendatenbank: 270.14.93/2544 - Ausgabedatum: 12/04/09 08:32:00 ------=_NextPart_000_00BC_01CA7551.BDEB36B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gus,LF,
 
Addendum:
 
As my internert connection has been= =20 broken during the last hours no data upload
has taken place.
Probably a few loggings are missing= because=20 I had to use my dipole for
receiving whis is periodically distur= bed when=20 our heater is is on.
My K9AY has been turned down this lat= e afternoon by=20 our three months old
labrador 'Luke'.
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
----=20 Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 05,= 2009 1:33=20 AM
Subject: LF: Re: WSPR on 137= kHz

Hi GUs,
 
see below:
 
2118   8  0.4 136.15= 1499  0=20 SM6BHZ JO57 17
2138   9  0.6 136.151500  0 SM= 6BHZ JO57=20 17
2144   8  0.7 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ JO57=20 17
2218   7  0.6 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ JO57=20 17
2222   8  0.7 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ JO57=20 17
2226   9  0.8 136.151500  0 SM6BHZ JO57=20 17
 
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gus=
Sent: Friday, December 04,= 2009 4:55=20 PM
Subject: LF: WSPR on 137 kH= z

Hello LF-group,
this=20 evening i will transmit, WSPR on 137.650 kHz 136.150 kHz dial. Power abt 50 mW ERP.
All=20 reports are welcome.
You can also log on,=20
 
73= de Gus=20 SM6BHZ


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Von AVG =FCberpr=FCf= t - www.avg.de
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Eingehende eMail ist virenfrei.
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type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA8657.562F9C0D" Subject: LF: Influence of a TX antenna to a small rx antenna X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/59368 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: Scan Clean x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600c4b3652de2c7c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5.3.00/0 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA8657.562F9C0D Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01CA8657.562F9C0D" ------_=_NextPart_002_01CA8657.562F9C0D Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Lowfers,=20 Yesterday i saw the extreme influence of my 100m vertical tx antenna to th= e small active antenna. Now I have some ideas how to avoid that and would= be thankful for any comments and hints. During the QSOs there was much QSB in the RX signals, just as if someone= is playing with the AF-volume. First I thought it is caused by a loose co= ntact in the Converter or in the fiber optic cable but later I found, that= it was caused by the angle of the tx antenna to ground (Wind was good but= with some QSB ;-) ). In my last QSO with IK1HSS I disconnected the TX wire from the loading coi= l and than, the whole signal was almost gone (when choosing "visual mode= LOW" at the argo monitor). Switching to "visual mode HIGH" and increasing= the AF a little bit gave almost the same QRM lines by DFC39 (vy strong ye= sterday). Now, the SNR was much better than before!=20 In the following pic you can get a impression of the dimension of the infl= uence of the TX ant (The RX ant is isolated to the rest of the rig by an= optic fiber cable and battery supply, so "just" coupled by the E field to= the TX ant): In the left part the TX wire was disconnected from the coil and mode was= HIGH In the middle part I connected the wire to the loading coil In the right part I switched to the LOW mode! I am sure that the TX ant does not only increase the QRM but also the want= ed signal. So the benefit will not be so strong than between left and righ= t part in the pic. But the SNR increases significantly, as I saw in the QS= O with IK1HSS. So a disconnection of the TX wire makes sense. What are the alternatives?=20 Placing the RX ant apart from the TX ant to reduce the influence? I think= with a 100m vertical I can forget that unless I do not want to spend 100s= of meters of RX cable ;-) Bringing the ant out of resonance? That is the one and only solution I thi= nk. Any better ideas?=20 I could disconnect the loading coil at the lower end to ground. That could= be done with a relay (My RX/TX sequencer provides an output "12V @ RX" th= at could directly be used for this). Probably there will be a residual cou= pling capacity of the coil to ground and the relay contacts and so on, say= 30pF but since my ant C is 580pF that would be quite enough for deadjusti= ng, I hope so. As I thought about protecting the contacts and the PA in the case that the= re will be a mistake (contacts have to be closed without a voltage at the= relay) in the circuit, i thought some Varistors or even better some antip= arallel diodes could be a good choice. That brought me to the idea that a= power diode out of a SMPS would easyly handle the antenna current with fa= st enough switching times. So do you think just two antiparallel diodes (or perhaps 2x2, 2 in series,= and perhaps with an additional 10...100k Resistor parallel) without a rel= ay could be suitable to solve the RX TX ant influence problem? Could the= TX signal distortion be neglected? When the voltage across the diodes (RX= case) is less than the forward voltage, do the diodes act as an open cont= act, just with a few pF reverse capacity? I think so but I don't know much= about the RX voltages that are given by such an antenna. There will be so= me experiments... :-) Comments welcome ;-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC ------_=_NextPart_002_01CA8657.562F9C0D Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Lowfers,

= Yesterday i saw the extreme influence of my 100m vertical tx antenna to the small acti= ve antenna. Now I have some ideas how to avoid that and would be thankful for= any comments and hints.

= During the QSOs there was much QSB in the RX signals, just as if someone is playing with= the AF-volume. First I thought it is caused by a loose contact in the Converte= r or in the fiber optic cable but later I found, that it was caused by the angl= e of the tx antenna to ground (Wind was good but with some QSB ;-) ).

= In my last QSO with IK1HSS I disconnected the TX wire from the loading coil and than, the whole signal was almost gone (when choosing “visual mode LOW”= at the argo monitor). Switching to “visual mode HIGH” and increas= ing the AF a little bit gave almost the same QRM lines by DFC39 (vy strong yesterday). Now, the SNR was much better than before!

= In the following pic you can get a impression of the dimension of the influence= of the TX ant (The RX ant is isolated to the rest of the rig by an optic fiber ca= ble and battery supply, so “just” coupled by the E field to the TX= ant):

=

= In the left part the TX wire was disconnected from the coil and mode was HIGH

= In the middle part I connected the wire to the loading coil

= In the right part I switched to the LOW mode!

= I am sure that the TX ant does not only increase the QRM but also the wanted signal. So= the benefit will not be so strong than between left and right part in the pic.= But the SNR increases significantly, as I saw in the QSO with IK1HSS. So a disconnection of the TX wire makes sense.

= What are the alternatives?

= Placing the RX ant apart from the TX ant to reduce the influence? I think with a 100m ver= tical I can forget that unless I do not want to spend 100s of meters of RX cable= ;-)

= Bringing the ant out of resonance? That is the one and only solution I think. Any bette= r ideas?

= I could disconnect the loading coil at the lower end to ground. That could be done= with a relay (My RX/TX sequencer provides an output “12V @ RX” that could directly be used for this). Probably there will be a residual coupli= ng capacity of the coil to ground and the relay contacts and so on, say 30pF= but since my ant C is 580pF that would be quite enough for deadjusting, I hope= so.

= As I thought about protecting the contacts and the PA in the case that there will be a mistake (contacts have to be closed without a voltage at the relay) in the circuit, i thought some Varistors or even better some antiparallel diodes= could be a good choice. That brought me to the idea that a power diode out of a= SMPS would easyly handle the antenna current with fast enough switching times.<= /span>

= So do you think just two antiparallel diodes (or perhaps 2x2, 2 in series, and perhaps wit= h an additional 10…100k Resistor parallel) without a relay could be suita= ble to solve the RX TX ant influence problem? Could the TX signal distortion= be neglected? When the voltage across the diodes (RX case) is less than the forward volt= age, do the diodes act as an open contact, just with a few pF reverse capacity?= I think so but I don’t know much about the RX voltages that are given= by such an antenna. There will be some experiments… J

= Comments welcome ;-)

= 73, Stefan/DK7FC

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-0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NFt5K-0005w9-Hd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:33:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NFt5K-0005w0-6j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:33:50 +0000 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NFt5C-0007Vv-R0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:33:50 +0000 Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091202173308.NPHP17277.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:33:08 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091202173308.PWQR13254.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:33:08 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:33:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B16A4CF.1375.8E051D@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1ggfb5FlKZQUfF3vzm9UBYZ2uTfLsbs/8dSljwg5+mE= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=ho0Ty7z5mN-GuXHXUtMA:9 a=MDEFl6mSMRNgbv0jeZh-Hm6aJekA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: G3XDV now 136.310kHz Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I have moved my QRSS3 test transmission a little LF to 136.310kHz to avoid QRM to those listening for F8BOJ's QRSS60 test. Antenna current 10% less than last night due to rain-soaked trees. Mike ==== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf06.mx.aol.com (rly-mf06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.176]) by air-mf02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF023-9634b23cc6921d; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:01:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF061-9634b23cc6921d; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:01:31 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NJVKV-0001Tl-8W for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:00:27 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NJVKU-0001Tc-Sw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:00:26 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NJVKW-0000Bk-Nv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:00:30 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (co02-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17FF61343E7 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:00:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps04.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.133] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.58V) with ESMTP id XID079NLLRaV6257X02; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:00:21 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.133 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps04.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID079NLLRaV6257X02 Received: from [192.168.1.4] [151.47.220.86] by cmsapps04.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 706NLLRaT8672M40; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:00:19 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.220.86 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.4] Message-ID: <4B23CC20.9010400@usa.net> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:00:16 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AC1F@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B23B319.9080005@usa.net> <00b401ca7b4a$4ba0b4a0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> In-Reply-To: <00b401ca7b4a$4ba0b4a0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID706NLLRaT8672X40 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Japanese time&frequency station Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Wolf and Clemens, thanks for your answers. So I can still have hope, despite the negative results so far.... :-) I understand that I need a lot of wire outside, in a form of a loop, preferably tuned to that QRG. Not the right kind of work to do outside during the winter, though... but may be there will be some sunny days... :-) TNX and Merry Christmas to everybody ! 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de08.mx.aol.com (rly-de08.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.144]) by air-de08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE082-4f34b18c6c5276; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 03:22:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE082-4f34b18c6c5276; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 03:22:31 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGTPx-0005qf-1Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 08:21:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGTPw-0005qW-L8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 08:21:32 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGTPv-0002t5-Qe for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 08:21:32 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE6BC7B8066 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:21:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id A275F31E702 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:21:13 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:21:29 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <4B18BE10.9090208@telia.com> References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB1C@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <4B18BE10.9090208@telia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20091204082113.A275F31E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: AW: [Fwd: Extra transmission with SAQ Dec 10 2009] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_2448279==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_2448279==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan, isn't the correct name Karl Ferdinand von Braun ? 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 08:45 4/12/2009, you wrote: >I'm sorry but I didn't do the spelling - I simply forwarded the message >I got from SAQ. >73 Johan SM6LKM > >Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > > The german physicist is called Karl Ferdinand Braun > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Ferdinand_Braun )! > > >> The reason for the extra transmission is a centenary commemoration of > >> the Nobel Prize given to Guglielmo Marconi and Karl Ferdinand Brown. --=====================_2448279==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan,

isn't the correct name Karl Ferdinand von Braun ?

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 08:45 4/12/2009, you wrote:
I'm sorry but I didn't do= the spelling - I simply forwarded the message
I got from SAQ.
73 Johan SM6LKM

Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote:
> The german physicist is called Karl Ferdinand Braun
> ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Ferdinand_Braun )!

>> The reason for the extra transmission is a centenary commemoration of
>> the Nobel Prize given to Guglielmo Marconi and Karl Ferdinand Brown.
--=====================_2448279==.ALT-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df07.mx.aol.com (rly-df07.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.20]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF022-5614b1edf271bf; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:20:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF072-5614b1edf271bf; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:20:09 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NI9KX-0007PM-D1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:18:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NI9KW-0007PD-Mq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:18:52 +0000 Received: from rekin26.go2.pl ([193.17.41.76]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NI9KV-0007Te-Qq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:18:52 +0000 Received: from rekin26.go2.pl (rekin26.go2.pl [127.0.0.1]) by rekin26.go2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8996B35D7CF for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 00:18:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from unknown (unknown [10.0.0.142]) by rekin26.go2.pl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Wed, 9 Dec 2009 00:18:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from 58-178-124-188.rev.pro-internet.pl [188.124.178.58] by poczta.o2.pl with ESMTP id ndpAAG; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 00:18:46 +0100 Message-ID: <006d01ca785c$c99a08c0$3ab27cbc@ap6fnsa53r3k6h> From: "Marcin" To: References: <1260202597.4b1d2a65f3b5c@imp.netikka.net> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 00:18:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-O2-Trust: 2, 68 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Broadcast audio splatter on 136kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Paul-Henrik, LF I forwarded my friends engineers from Solec Kujawski about your problem. Check the transmitter. A few photos from the transmitter: http://www.sp2pzh.pg.gda.pl/solec.html Vy 73! Marcin SQ2BXI LF Does anybody else on the reflector suffer from BC-splatter on 136kHz? It has been a regular occurance here lately after dark. After some identification work I have a match on the running programmes on 171 and 225kHz, 225kHz being the stronger. I blamed my RX chain at first and started to eliminate IMD possibilities but even now using a passive antenna and a very sharp bandpass filter (much like an IF-filter for a valve BC-set) I still have the BC splatter. So far I have not been able to determine the carrier frequency of this "phantom station" but it must be close to the carrier of Lakihegy. Using AM detection with a narrow filter it seems centered around 135.4kHz. Sounds like two BC-stations on top of eachother and the USB reaches up in the amateur band making "ghost whispers". Luxembourg effect, transmitter IMD or just me missing the point? The bandpass filter is very effective and there are only weak traces of signals above 150kHz. BR Paul-Henrik, OH1LSQ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (rly-dg07.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.91]) by air-dg03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDG033-5dd4b33b6b82d2; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:45:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG076-5dd4b33b6b82d2; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:45:14 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNsfI-0000Y0-FU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:44:00 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNsfI-0000Xr-3B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:44:00 +0000 Received: from mail-yx0-f203.google.com ([209.85.210.203]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNsfG-0003Ug-Ga for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:44:00 +0000 Received: by yxe41 with SMTP id 41so27784516yxe.30 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:43:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=6y1ieMjI81G8Idaatp5Y1OqZ7hUqMzd8/23rukVFFXQ=; b=Yl2u3dALMh0SXBcO8W1FT1U1uCZDf50MbQweYWK8jx/X/wv4MDlkK1mNWf8SvuPvSG 7Ej4NjpMpcZizSVrmWs1JSeTyqz3c9PkN8A0sXuOCBjyiHOgVtGuHBkWlRVVJpGatU0q hc1vIW4LyPxmqlLMDqZGa69PpCGcRqvS8VNdQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=U0KemRaNaEkk2BBvlssUrdqEK18ePXd6otUvrq9jBsCnu31MB0y2WwWvE+0XPF9wsP ykEmYbn/hkZxLb/uQgGARlAJMKIEbgn1mduQs+YQAgT+mfJCVq2mwKgXJF7NYrFchYcB ikPLmcJX3H5nxyk3CmdfDDAPRS8QQsGHpUt58= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.55.28 with SMTP id d28mr12734875yba.335.1261680230919; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:43:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:43:50 -0500 Message-ID: <57a24ca70912241043s1fe8b5adk26b3ca0b6ff95961@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: Re: LF: XGJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d272.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Lubos, Thank you for the capture! Merry Christmas! --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2009/12/24 Lubos OK2BVG : > Hello Warren, LF! > It was some QRN last night, but your signal was fine. > > Lubos, OK2BVG > > > ________________________________ > Kter=FD po=E8=EDta=E8 je pro v=E1s ten prav=FD? Dal=B9=ED informace. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md06.mx.aol.com (rly-md06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.144]) by air-md03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD033-90e4b184f79297; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:53:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD066-90e4b184f79297; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:53:30 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGLTa-0004fr-GJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:52:46 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGLTa-0004fi-51 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:52:46 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGLTY-00018l-4V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:52:46 +0000 Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091203234738.EOXI27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 23:47:38 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091203234738.VWXF21638.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 23:47:38 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:47:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B184E14.17657.1DB6D1B@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=O-RIqnLNz-8GGh8sdysA:9 a=YqQ971Y9qDN55CXCpHFuv_oKsnUA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: XDV QRT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Due to a problem I am closing the beacon down for tonight. Mike, G3XDV ========= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.14]) by air-mb01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMB013-a1874b3c9038128; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 06:51:20 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3305C38000084; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 06:51:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NQJXT-0003vq-Kz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:49:59 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NQJXT-0003vh-3n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:49:59 +0000 Received: from mail-pz0-f177.google.com ([209.85.222.177]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NQJXR-0003c5-H9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:49:59 +0000 Received: by pzk7 with SMTP id 7so3553002pzk.30 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 03:49:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ipyxIu2QfejEcmud9CoghQiN3Df/fKdhxrDvgVW0D6Q=; b=IynocHOKOMoDKKMZalkV5FOdJJsj+xzUArayk9GioIoNW+yqxZPw47ERkvqNnUlGid jPOsC+6FkcbTtLHnD1Oiki9qlyWWuXBbrJrvfGuq+8+LDKhMRV0NNp47aDwLDMqcOjO9 qtp6XkSuOMSRXZysMd890sk6dw4455KmJNbs4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=xE6q+3IE4YWwNrIeqXhdLbEGBU53356tZ/9H2c5O7CRzoRJKsAhUbbZ8A/Dfd2Ywf/ FeXO59kXmYuUKWnAgotfwVT232Gfbep9ppfq7+iWHxMh602Zo59S0bIP/Q+MpPSfA1xv O/SsTZc4+4J6s6ZzvQo9owTvTVyo1rnMEr5ic= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.58.7 with SMTP id g7mr13815587rva.98.1262260190848; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 03:49:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:49:50 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0a455002c12238e2 Message-ID: <1f0624b90912310349r8408cbaof4bb6e0e17d6fb9a@mail.gmail.com> From: Gary - G4WGT To: Rsgb_Lf_Group DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500kHz Grabber. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636b2ac504a2677047c04da7d X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600e4b3c903777ec X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001636b2ac504a2677047c04da7d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi All, Sorry to have to announce that my grabber is inoperative at the moment. It seems that I have regularly exceeded the daily quota set by the ISP/web site provider. I have been transparently placed in "restricted service" which is only allowing about 5 uploads/downloads each day. I expect that it will take some time for my average to come down sufficient to allow my regular uploads again. Also I will have to make the upload file sizes smaller & less regular so as to keep within this upload limit. I will post a notice here when all is running normally again. 73 es HNY Gary - G4WGT. --001636b2ac504a2677047c04da7d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All,

Sorry to have to announce that my grabber is in= operative at the moment.

It seems that I have reg= ularly exceeded the daily quota set by the ISP/web site provider. I have= been transparently placed in "restricted service" which is only= allowing about 5 uploads/downloads each day. I expect that it will take= some time for my average to come down sufficient to allow my regular uplo= ads again.

Also I will have to make the upload file sizes smaller= & less regular so as to keep within this upload limit.

=
I will post a notice here when all is running normally again.

73 es HNY

Gary - G4WGT.
=


--001636b2ac504a2677047c04da7d-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de06.mx.aol.com (rly-de06.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.142]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE053-4e34b276aed3a2; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 05:54:55 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE066-4e34b276aed3a2; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 05:54:40 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKV0F-0000yl-01 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:51:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKV0E-0000yc-JL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:51:38 +0000 Received: from mx01.infotech.at ([213.174.240.1]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKV1X-0004I0-GE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:53:02 +0000 Received: from [213.174.255.2] by mx01.infotech.at with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKV1l-00054t-Jx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:53:13 +0100 Message-ID: <4B276A85.6060003@inext.at> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:52:53 +0100 From: Oberreiter Oswald User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4B26CFC2.20402@inext.at> In-Reply-To: X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: BY3A Ops OSsi - Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) hallo laurence ! thanks fore the infos ,i was very surpriset about this special conditions , i never tought to commimg through to your grabber , running only 200 w to the antenna simple marconi only 18 m high . would you be so kindly and send me a pic copy . and again many thanks fore your grabber 73 ossi oe5odl jn68rd Laurence BY3A-KL1X China schrieb: > Ossi that jpg code gets wiped and updated on the server with the next > capture - Ill review the files if you dont have a local copy - yes > there was a "lift/tilt" this morning to the East just at pre dawn but > it appears as ever very selective. DCF39 was down at dawn but that > data signal between the mark and space was up to S7! > > Overall the 137 qsb was very long and deep later in the night and > certainly for the stations about the and >5000Kms mark conditions > tended to be better mid evening their time, save the dawn. WPF > was strong last night at times. > > If you see that line in 137.77500 its a Russian Loran signal and gives > you an idea of how my calibration is on the R75. There are a few > over lines around too. > > I did have an annoying noise come up occasionally which covers a large > area outside and does reduce the sensitivity during an "event" > > Nothing seen on 500 last night - if anyone wants to have another go at > WOLF or WSPR on any both of the bands I can take a look. > > Tomorrow, Wednesday night is the last night Ill be on from China :-( > > regards > > Laurence > KL 1 X in BY3 A OM89UA > > > When available - shared - normally active on LF after China dusk - > China snappers will close after this Wednesday - screen autoupdate > Internet willing > > http://kl1x.com/137777China.html China No. 1 receiver (R75 shared probe ) > http://kl1x.com/136318china.html China No. 2 receiver (SDR IQ shared > probe) > http://kl1x.com/Alaska.html Palinville Palmer/Wasilla Alaska > (R75 K9AY Set Omni) > > > Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:52:34 +0100 > > From: o.ossy@inext.at > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Subject: LF: BY3A > > > > http://kl1x.com/777China00000.jpg > > > > Hallo Dimityr ! > > Thanks fer info again, > > now its reality the sunrise in china bringing up my signal on BY3A on > > 137,775.2 > > 73 ossi oe5odl > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db07.mx.aol.com (rly-db07.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.82]) by air-db05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDB054-ada4b2680c6295; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:16:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB078-ada4b2680c6295; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:15:35 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKFQF-00063X-8v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:13:27 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKFQE-00063O-SN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:13:26 +0000 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKFRR-0004iL-MQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:14:43 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlAFAPsOJktZ8INV/2dsb2JhbACIXtAEhCsE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,396,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="202520932" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([89.240.131.85]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2009 18:14:36 +0000 Message-ID: <003501ca7ce9$4a9392d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <20091210100700.32DEC31E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <1260444821.6353.65.camel@vaio3rd> <1260449921.6353.77.camel@vaio3rd> <200912141851290399.0E3514C6@smtp2.numeo.fr> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:14:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 For the average person on LF with limited space for antennas etc one would need at least 1 Kw of RF output. If you are a fumbler and scared of RF burns or being Zapped take out an appropriate Insurance policy. G3KEV . ----- Original Message ----- From: "John RABSON" To: Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 5:51 PM Subject: LF: Re: TX-2200A May I add a somewhat late comment about this product, please? It seems to me that there are several different requirements for a transmitter for 136 kHz, depending upon what any individual needs. Being able to generate 1 kW is not always necessary. One thing that struck me about this unit is that the power level can be varied over a considerable range. When setting up an antenna and its connection to the feed line, it is very useful to start with low power (hence low voltage) so as not to stress the various components unnecessarily. One thing I like about this unit is that it can be used for ordinary hand-sent CW. Presumably QRSS would not be a problem. Also, can this rig be used for some of the more sophisticated modes? I do not think I have a complete set of the e-mails of this thread. Please will someone enlighten me. Thanks. 73 John Rabson F5VLF 58800 Cervon France JN17vg From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.143]) by air-di07.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI072-eacf4b365194e3; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:10:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A9153380001A4; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:10:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOb4b-0006Fa-DP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:09:05 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOb4b-0006FR-1Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:09:05 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOb4Z-0005Zp-DD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:09:04 +0000 Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091226180857.WCCG17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:08:57 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.219]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091226180857.NPPZ21638.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:08:57 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:08:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4B365134.31361.1E4D196@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <005201ca8653$fa1750c0$0217aac0@desktop> References: <4B364B7F.3528.1CE8517@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com>, <005201ca8653$fa1750c0$0217aac0@desktop> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=16hHuiILVrHJ0ZLnXZ0A:9 a=-1BLdWxxLB1vFjvW_r3OJ4c-SokA:4 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RTTY Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408f4b3651931c19 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 James, I had a listen but the band was too noisy to detect anything. Perhaps tomorrow during the day? 73 de Mike ========= > I am running a RTTY beacon (vy QRPppp), on 137.5 can you copy it? > > I might switch to WSPR mode later and see if that can be picked up or > try QRSS10 > > > > With best regards > > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Mike Dennison > Sent: 26 December 2009 17:45 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: > LF: XDV beacon > > I will be transmitting 'XDV' on 136.31975kHz overnight. It looks > another station is already on 136.319kHz - probably DJ8WX. > > Mike, G3XDV > ========== > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf01.mx.aol.com (rly-mf01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.171]) by air-mf10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF103-9424b1b9198293; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:12:33 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf01.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF018-9424b1b9198293; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:12:26 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHF1R-0004B3-OX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:11:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHF1R-0004Au-58 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:11:25 +0000 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHF1P-000656-Gm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:11:25 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuAEAE8gG0tOlpnN/2dsb2JhbACODgbGaoI6gXkE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,349,1257120000"; d="scan'208,217";a="152962914" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.150.153.205]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 06 Dec 2009 11:11:17 +0000 Message-ID: <001901ca7664$d1513dd0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <002801ca765e$f543b8e0$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> <9afca2640912060240x3892a5d0o71d5082089b54a2c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:11:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 pirate Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01CA7664.D104F290" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01CA7664.D104F290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Never heard a G7 on cw before Never had a 557 (tone 7) before Never had a repeative Beacon report before. Never had a report in the past before a QSO started. This appears to me to be a PIRATE are you sure it is who you think it= is ? I have not encountered this callsign before. G3KEV =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 10:40 AM Subject: Re: LF: 500 pirate It was G7NKS - no pirate. 2009/12/6 mal hamilton Some G7 stn calling me in Beacon mode giving me 557 report and Lo= c. Could be a Pirate, unusual procedure. G3KEV --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01CA7664.D104F290 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Never heard a G7 on cw before<= /DIV>
 
Never had a 557 (tone 7) before
 
Never had a repeative Beacon report= =20 before.
 
Never had a report in the past before=  a QSO=20 started.
 
This appears to me to be a PIRATE&nbs= p;are you sure=20 it is who you think it is ?
 
I have not encountered this callsign= =20 before.
 
G3KEV
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 20= 09 10:40=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: 500 pirate

It was G7NKS - no pirate.

2009/12/6 mal hamilton <= g3kevmal@talktalk.net= >
Some G7 stn calling me in Beacon&= nbsp; mode=20 giving me 557 report and Loc. Could be a Pirate, unusual=20 procedure.
G3KEV
 



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boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA750A.6557EDF9" Subject: LF: Active Antenna Preamp of Bernd/DF8ZR X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA750A.6557EDF9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lowfers,=20 =20 Now, Bernd has posted the circuit of his preamp for active antennas: http:= //www.mydarc.de/df8zr/lf-active-antenna.pdf =20 =20 It's nothing fundamental new. But it's just working very fine, with an ove= rvoltage shielded input. DLF (153kHz) gets attenuated by abt 40dB, compare= d to the sigs in the wanted frequency range. Gain is abt 23dB. It was publ= ished in summer 2003 in the CQDL...=20 =20 73, Stefan ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA750A.6557EDF9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Now, Be= rnd has posted the circuit of his preamp for active antennas: http://www.mydarc.de/df8zr/lf-active-= antenna.pdf=

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It̵= 7;s nothing fundamental new. But it’s just working very fine, with an overvoltag= e shielded input. DLF (153kHz) gets attenuated by abt 40dB, compared to the= sigs in the wanted frequency range. Gain is abt 23dB. It was published in summe= r 2003 in the CQDL…

 <= /span>

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------_=_NextPart_001_01CA750A.6557EDF9-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf03.mx.aol.com (rly-mf03.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.173]) by air-mf09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF094-9524b332f301a7; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 04:07:10 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf03.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF038-9524b332f301a7; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 04:06:58 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNjdz-0007HZ-HB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:06:03 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNjdz-0007HQ-3f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:06:03 +0000 Received: from smtp828.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.13.163]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNjdv-00009B-4I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:06:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 75346 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2009 09:05:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Importance:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE; b=6oGcMb/DpNH+cZtl97kWfDCa8lQUY8oq4FAK5D+SKrBMq1cP85JjZ4/gxD16d4MGWvfxD6pDFBGmutipbsBU0cqMwLavSbmZaqL83rK9Z7OTLNj320Yg/aznJcFmwc2Np+BbCEGhgxPirxpN0Ph5lLj15+l1mNM7yoEDr5b/jRY= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Inspiron) (hudsonville@86.146.200.116 with login) by smtp828.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2009 09:05:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: T9P8HheswBCXVWXq3ajpBY99bVSvRxQZ2abOUyeQ53_fqQzzpx0V X-YMail-OSG: OotEBYsVM1nExayE2g.vEdxM9HXza4oywrOruxJ9vsIBZuA9mDPHv7_rIuPK8k0mCjhXcZscN9_yqwCX2t9AreEVydPiL10rxomj3i3D1LxTxhAcU.zR8FAXE8hoRBThx1C2J6.ki7TNuzOA2j8SDUZUfba4iMLQE7xsQ3hbqXSS.R_uBvF9.mR3npybtf.JQbmc_9Kj0Xf0UlcK.RlqNBXsCl3efoF5JQ1WJwiD X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Lee Hudson" To: Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:06:00 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcqEdNGJ5GuI/9geQTqYj5svTiDfbQAAzQ8g In-Reply-To: <4B3328FF.1000303@junkshifta.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: LF: RE: saq Christmas transmission Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Simon, LF Group Just put this recording on the web of the SAQ transmision. Not as good as the ones earlier in the month. http://www.m0lmh.co.uk/SAQ%2020091224%200800utc%20Message.MP3 73, Lee M0LMH. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Simon Newhouse Sent: 24 December 2009 08:41 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: saq Christmas transmission Hello group, Has anyone made a recording of the SAQ broadcast this morning ? I thought I had got it only to find that the soft ware was only recording up to 5khz GRRRRRrrr.. That'll teach me to check my settings. Any way the idea was to decode it at my leisure as I'm just learning morse. If any one has a recording that they could post to me I'd be very greatful. Thanks in advance. Simon M0NWY. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.722 / Virus Database: 270.14.117/2583 - Release Date: 12/23/09 19:02:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (rly-dc08.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.37]) by air-dc09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDC094-b3b4b194a3a41; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:43:39 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC087-b3b4b194a3a41; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:43:23 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NGcAe-0000Sz-V7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:42:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NGcAe-0000Sq-Em for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:42:20 +0000 Received: from lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGcAd-000604-JZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:42:20 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx503.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nB4HgGAQ016242 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 18:42:16 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:42:16 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 18:42:15 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828AB49@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <000a01ca74ff$163eb010$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: FUSE TEST Thread-Index: Acp0/+yNaiqZzgGlSBCmQsvim/kdtQAB9XZQ From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.605;04.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.4.172718 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA7509.1EB5C3F9" Subject: LF: AW: FUSE TEST X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7509.1EB5C3F9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi mal,=20 =20 There is also a dependence of time. I am sure you can put 1000A to a 10A= Fuse, when time is short enough. I adiabatic cases it is a function of th= e thermal capacity of the fuse, the fuse wire volume and the melting point= of the fuse wire. Therefore they are separated into fast, medium, slow.= If you use a fast or super fast fuse, a 30A fuse will melt at 50A within= a few seconds or earlier. =20 73, Stefan =20 =20 PS: I just have finished my receiving loop with 40 windings, repaired the= converter and integrated it into my K2. Now I will watch the argo screen= tonight and hope for some signs. It becomes better and better :-) =20 Gl es dx dx! =20 =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von mal hamilton Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Dezember 2009 17:30 An: rsgb Betreff: LF: FUSE TEST =20 Has anyone tested the ACTUAL blow current for fuses eg 5A 10A 30A.. I often do not have fuses at the correct value and FUSE down only to find= that I can run them at considerably higher amps than rated eg 30A fuses= at 50A and they fail to blow. This is intermittent use say 30% - 50% in= psu's used for CW and QRS3 normally in FET AMPS This is normal fuse wire bought wrapped on card. It looks like your PA fets could be in trouble under certain circumstances= . =20 de mal/g3kev =20 =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7509.1EB5C3F9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi mal,

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There is= also a dependence of time. I am sure you can put 1000A to a 10A Fuse, when time= is short enough. I adiabatic cases it is a function of the thermal capacity= of the fuse, the fuse wire volume and the melting point of the fuse wire. Therefo= re they are separated into fast, medium, slow. If you use a fast or super fas= t fuse, a 30A fuse will melt at 50A within a few seconds or earlier.<= /font>

 

73, Stef= an

 

 

PS: I ju= st have finished my receiving loop with 40 windings, repaired the converter and integrated it= into my K2. Now I will watch the arg= o screen tonight and hope for some signs. It becomes better and better J

 

Gl es dx= dx!

 

 

-----Urspr=FCngl= iche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org] Im Auftrag von mal ha= milton
Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Dezem= ber 2009 17:30
An: rsgb
Betreff: LF: FUSE TEST

 

Has anyone tested= the ACTUAL blow current for fuses eg 5A 10A 30A..

I often do not hav= e fuses at the correct value and FUSE down only to find that I can run them at considerab= ly higher amps than rated eg 30A fuses at 50A and they fail to blow. This is intermittent use say 30% - 50% in psu's used for CW and QRS3 normally in= FET AMPS

This is normal fus= e wire bought wrapped on card.

It looks like your= PA fets could be in trouble under certain circumstances.

 

de mal/g3kev

 

 

 

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7509.1EB5C3F9-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df07.mx.aol.com (rly-df07.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.20]) by air-df05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDF054-5634b1c14cb2e4; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:32:31 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF074-5634b1c14cb2e4; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:32:13 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHNl9-0005yT-KN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:31:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHNl9-0005yK-7G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:31:11 +0000 Received: from warsl404pip2.highway.telekom.at ([195.3.96.113] helo=email.aon.at) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHNl8-00007A-IK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:31:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 25602 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2009 20:31:04 -0000 Received: from 91-115-29-63.adsl.highway.telekom.at (HELO [192.168.1.101]) ([91.115.29.63]) (envelope-sender ) by smarthub96.highway.telekom.at (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 6 Dec 2009 20:31:04 -0000 From: Gerhard Hickl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: References: <42030EE58BDD4FA78C88635B91BDFB78@2a2d7ed321c6425> Disposition-Notification-To: gerhard.hickl@aon.at Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:31:04 +0100 Message-ID: <1260131464.3779.5.camel@gerhard-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Unser QSO auf 137,7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Servus Toni! Hier ist OE3GHB...ebenfalls Gerhard und wir hatten auch ein QSO.... Weil ja DK6NI von einer möglichen Verwechslung schreibt, weiß ich jetzt auch nicht so genau wen Du meinst....... AWDH es 73 OE3GHB Gerhard Am Sonntag, den 06.12.2009, 21:15 +0100 schrieb Anton Bärtschi: > Hallo Gerhard > Sorry für die verspätete Antwort, alle deine Posts sind in meinem > Spam-Ordner gelandet. > Unser QSO hat wunderbar geklappt und du bist in meinem Log. Dein > Signal war gut lesbar, absolut "O"! > Meine Antenne ist etwa gleich, nur die Leistung höher: 500W bis 1KW je > nach Anpassung. > Vielen Dank für das QSO und 73 aus der Westschweiz > de Toni HB9ASB in JN36NU > > Anton Bärtschi > Les fermes 24 > 1792 Cordast > Schweiz > > 2009/12/3 Beckmann, Gerhard > > > Hallo Toni, > > > > …falls die Mail nicht durchgekommen war…. > > > > Besten Dank für ein kurzes Lebenszeichen. > > > > vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI > > > > ==== > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Von: Beckmann, Gerhard [mailto:beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Dezember 2009 22:01 > An: 'Beckmann, Gerhard'; 'Anton Bärtschi' > Betreff: AW: Unser QSO auf 137,7 > > > > > Hallo Toni, > > > > nur eine kurze Frage: > > Hattest Du mein Signal lesen können oder war es eine > Verwechslung meinerseits? > > > > Besten Dank + vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI > > > > ====== > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Von: Beckmann, Gerhard [mailto:beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de] > Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. November 2009 23:06 > An: 'Anton Bärtschi' > Betreff: Unser QSO auf 137,7 > > > > > Hallo Toni, > > > > besten Dank für das ufb QSO auf 137,72 in QRSS3! > > Mein Rig: > > TX:Ropex mit ca. 100 Watt. > > RX: TS 440 S > > Antenne: endgespeister Draht mit 40 Meter Länge und ca. 10 > Meter Höhe. > > (sehr schlechte lösung für LF ---hi--) > > > > vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI > > > > === > > > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.148]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE044-5eb14b362728393; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:09:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-dd08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 86355380000E7; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:09:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NOYFI-0005H6-Su for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 15:07:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NOYFI-0005Gx-HG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 15:07:56 +0000 Received: from outbound-jn.dca.untd.com ([64.136.47.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NOYFF-0006xc-GW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 15:07:56 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=juno.com; s=alpha; t=1261840065; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=X-UNTD-OriginStamp:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:From; b=rdELmHSC/cBHMFWwcUW/Au1aDsWGNyiKrdSSrw4Kv5aPx5qO8hlULAFNWpamJsNfB X7a1WXCC/4cn1F1fHReh8THQAuM/OT0B8ymamfn97vC4kqRvEX9nyNEK5qso+KdA4i XSBYeRYywggYlUGIHqdarpqlcbZI/aEmpDo9mnlU= X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-jn.dca.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFVNKW4AMWW4ZJ for (sender ); Sat, 26 Dec 2009 07:07:06 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: g21GJOtXAsiQ/71APa81vlEoQlkQPV5aqNbjyvawjTzUhgz6yLq7Fw== Received: (from cw4ever4@juno.com) by m04.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id P2QFGN8V; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 07:06:57 PST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:06:46 -0500 Message-ID: <20091226.100646.11516.0.cw4ever4@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.1.83 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0 From: Robert H Reif X-UNTD-BodySize: 279 X-ContentStamp: 2:2:948989619 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.dca.untd.com|cw4ever4@juno.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJECT_EXCESS_QP=0,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_LF:_=22WA=22_beacon_received_at_503kHz.?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40944b3627272ffe X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello, I've been beaconing WSPR 2.0 on about 503.91 50% duty cycle, most nights and was on all night last night, the 26th Z. The WSPR transmissions are identified per our license every 30 minutes at about 30 WPM at the end of a WSPR transmission. 73 Bob WD2XSH/37 W1XP ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyer Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=cap8B4e7ap2XKdIYzj2QRAAAJ1D5rfaR-77IPsUFbn2LcZ2XAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAiFgAAAAA= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de04.mx.aol.com (rly-de04.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.140]) by air-de01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDE011-4ca4b2a6ae0e5; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:31:29 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de04.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE041-4ca4b2a6ae0e5; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:31:14 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLK7h-0008Pu-4d for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:26:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLK7g-0008Pl-LR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:26:44 +0000 Received: from lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de ([130.83.156.225]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLKA3-0005uC-S3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:29:14 +0000 Received: from FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de (File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.212.129]) by lnx500.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de (8.14.2/8.14.2/HRZ/PMX) with SMTP id nBHGWPgW024863 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:32:25 +0100 (envelope-from schaefer@hst.tu-darmstadt.de) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de) by FILE-SERVER-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de with AVK MailGateway; for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:29:39 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:29:43 +0100 Message-ID: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACD0@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <1542517694@web.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: Optic cable distributor Thread-Index: Acp++B8Jzn2WEexHSViGaZpHUhgwVAAQVqEQ From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= To: X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVB 19.629;17.12.2009 X-PMX-TU: seen v0.99a by 5.5.8.383112, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.12.17.171532 X-PMX-SPAMCHECK: outgoing mail X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA7F3E.82F94EF9" Subject: LF: Optic cable distributor X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7F3E.82F94EF9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF Group,=20 Thanks for your statements and ideas! Horst/DO1KHS asked about the cable. The type of cable I use is CWKF-1001E22 that can be ordered e.g. at cunz electronis distributor. I just had a telephone contact to the boss of this company and asked, if= just commercial customers or also private customers can order the cable= there. He told me, that even private customers can order there and he eve= n would sell short lengths of this wire (even less then 20m in a bundle).= One meter costs just 0,7 Euro. It is possible to order in English or Fren= ch language but not in Chinese, he said ;-). He gave me the email address= dc@cunz.de for ordering. =20 Please, if anyone tries the optic way, please let me know about the succes= s. It would interest me very much. =20 73, 55 de Stefan / DK7FC =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] Im Auftrag von Horst St=F6cker Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. Dezember 2009 10:02 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signal= s ... What type of cable do you suggest? I do not think, my TOS-Link cable would= stand weather/UV and mechanical conditions outside for a long time. =20 Horst DO1KHS ___________________________________________________________ Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f=FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.!=20 http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7F3E.82F94EF9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear LF Group,

Thanks for your statemen= ts and ideas!

Horst/DO1KHS asked about= the cable.

The type of cable I use= is CWKF-1001E= 22 that can be ordered e.g. at cunz electronis distributor.

I just had a telephone= contact to the boss of this company and asked, if just commercial customers or also priva= te customers can order the cable there. He told me, that even private custome= rs can order there and he even would sell short lengths of this wire (even le= ss then 20m in a bundle). One meter costs just 0,7 Euro. It is possible to or= der in English or French language but not in Chinese, he said ;-). He gave me= the email address dc@cunz.de for ordering.

 

Please, if anyone tries= the optic way, please let me know about the success. It would interest me very much.=

 

73, 55 de Stefan / DK7FC=

 

-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Horst St=F6cker=
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. Dezember 2009 10:02
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: LF: RE: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signal= s

...

What type of cable do yo= u suggest? I do not think, my TOS-Link cable would stand weather/UV and mechanical conditions outside for a long time.

 

Horst DO1KHS

____________________________________= _______________________

Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate f= =FCr nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.!

http://produkte.web.de/go/02/=

 

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7F3E.82F94EF9-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc10.mx.aol.com (rly-mc10.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.94]) by air-mc05.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMC051-d9f4b2804e83c5; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:51:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC107-d9f4b2804e83c5; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:51:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKfG6-0002PZ-Fj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:48:42 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKfG5-0002PQ-RM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:48:41 +0000 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKfHx-0006rW-JP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:50:38 +0000 Received: from know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.3]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091215214532.PNLH17277.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:45:32 +0000 Received: from [82.26.120.108] (helo=desktop) by know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKfD1-0004St-MI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:45:32 +0000 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <04ca01ca7dcd$e71410a0$0417aac0@desktop> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:45:27 -0000 Message-ID: <04d301ca7dcf$eab20d00$0417aac0@desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: Acp9zeayNskmqfUrRk6Bua0bP04LGgAAdOzA In-Reply-To: <04ca01ca7dcd$e71410a0$0417aac0@desktop> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=8RloEfZUAAAA:8 a=nJdGHDPwl77GVxsNtTMA:9 a=E2TpBwZUbzPbb4OiQZkA:7 a=fQ9lCkifbjbyzcPg5KCOlROvqcEA:4 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=O58u2wXj750A:10 a=JfA1svaPwnsGXBFX:21 a=zlBMvVaXJjPz8rYW:21 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=1A44qm0mfRQwOC48c-EA:7 a=st3-fs-lFruiNXI54P4FAXuJiKgA:4 a=LgZc3ekxDxFcpjSp:21 a=rUAbt64eUfdUmy4M:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: G3LDO also booming in Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_04D4_01CA7DCF.EAB20D00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_04D4_01CA7DCF.EAB20D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter G3LDO was also 579 with me too at 21.40z, first for me on Rx. From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of James Cowburn Sent: 15 December 2009 21:31 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: G7NKS running RTTY beacon on 501.5 until midnight Dear LF, I am running a RTTY beacon on 501.5KHz on 10 min cycles from now until at least midnight Thanks for any reports Jim G7NKS p.s. Gus' CW beacon is 579 with me in IO92UB tonight, lovely sigs E james.cowburn@virgin.net ------=_NextPart_000_04D4_01CA7DCF.EAB20D00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Peter G3LDO was= also 579 with me too at 21.40z, first for me on Rx.

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org [mailto:owner-= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of James Cowburn
Sent: 15 December 2009= 21:31
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: G7NKS runn= ing RTTY beacon on 501.5 until midnight

 

Dear LF,

 

I am running a RTTY beacon on 501.5KHz= on 10 min cycles from now until at least midnight

 

Thanks for any reports

 

Jim G7NKS

 

p.s. Gus’ CW beacon is 579 with= me in IO92UB tonight, lovely sigs

 

E james.cowburn@virgin.net

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_04D4_01CA7DCF.EAB20D00-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.84]) by air-di08.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDI081-eb664b2682ef17a; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:24:47 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 923F23801B035; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:53:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKF4P-0005h0-Tq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:50:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKF4P-0005gr-IH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:50:53 +0000 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKF5O-0006oj-83 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:51:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 27242 invoked by uid 507); 14 Dec 2009 18:51:22 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2009 18:51:22 +0100 Message-ID: <200912141851290399.0E3514C6@smtp2.numeo.fr> In-Reply-To: <1260449921.6353.77.camel@vaio3rd> References: <57a24ca70912090730q682ffc79g7ffa9582e0cc40fa@mail.gmail.com> <20091210100700.32DEC31E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <1260444821.6353.65.camel@vaio3rd> <1260449921.6353.77.camel@vaio3rd> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:51:29 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: TX-2200A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40544b267b972df9 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 May I add a somewhat late comment about this product, please? It seems to me that there are several different requirements for a transmi= tter for 136 kHz, depending upon what any individual needs. Being able to= generate 1 kW is not always necessary. One thing that struck me about th= is unit is that the power level can be varied over a considerable range.= When setting up an antenna and its connection to the feed line, it is ve= ry useful to start with low power (hence low voltage) so as not to stress= the various components unnecessarily. One thing I like about this unit is that it can be used for ordinary hand-= sent CW. Presumably QRSS would not be a problem. Also, can this rig be= used for some of the more sophisticated modes? I do not think I have a= complete set of the e-mails of this thread. Please will someone enlighte= n me. Thanks. 73 John Rabson=20 F5VLF 58800 Cervon France JN17vg From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg04.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMG042-a1f4b31b5e52ae; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 01:17:24 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG071-a1f4b31b5e52ae; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 01:17:11 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NNKVd-0008MR-38 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 06:15:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NNKVc-0008MI-N1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 06:15:44 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNKVZ-0002zL-Q1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 06:15:44 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 23 Dec 2009 06:15:34 -0000 Received: from p5DC43461.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO Clemens04) [93.196.52.97] by mail.gmx.net (mp052) with SMTP; 23 Dec 2009 07:15:34 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17214767 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/l+NRRnefl9PvltzwavOTkPKpDqk3CKAJlIelM+G ss3p/1MsXaJn+I Message-ID: <001a01ca8397$56623ee0$0201a8c0@Clemens04> From: "Clemens Paul" To: References: <8bf118410912220547m5e4d0e60o527fcb87c62010d9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 07:15:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.67,0.66 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY=0.126 Subject: LF: WSPR:Good TA conds on MF last night Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01CA839F.B6115B70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01CA839F.B6115B70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LF, I had several WSPR loggings like these last night. 6251km is my personal record. 2009-12-23 00:20 WD2XSH/17 0.503890 +5 0 FN42pb 10 DL4RAJ JN68kj 6251 53 2009-12-23 00:16 WD2XSH/17 0.503890 +4 0 FN42pb 10 DL4RAJ JN68kj 6251 53 Best Christmas wishes to all. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01CA839F.B6115B70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
LF,
 
I had several WSPR loggings like thes= e last=20 night.
6251km is my personal record.<= /DIV>
 
 2009-12-23 00:20   WD2XSH/17   0.503890   +5   0   FN42pb   10   DL4RAJ   JN68kj   6251   53 
 2009-12-23 00:16   WD2XSH/17   0.503890   +4   0   FN42pb   10   DL4RAJ   JN68kj   6251   53
 
Best Christmas wishes to all.<= /DIV>
73
Clemens
DL4RAJ
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01CA839F.B6115B70-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma02.mx.aol.com (rly-ma02.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.46]) by air-ma09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA091-8904b1d9bf41a7; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 19:21:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA022-8904b1d9bf41a7; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 19:21:09 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NHnoU-0004FD-9S for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 00:20:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NHnoT-0004F4-RM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 00:20:21 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NHnoR-0008Cx-Gl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 00:20:21 +0000 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so4275373bwz.4 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:20:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=MvtHn5c+J9e+Ofw1qDSXX9d0F8KiqnKSRvPNlxvw0oU=; b=Z4qoJSDDoW4ZOmZuttoHnKCjcic/LgMcTdTQyYSwP0X5rtr/tBlbrNAK2nD42cNraK 5XzDPao+/+uGJBjT76/9Hx0XC7xqZ4qKNsCA85YnAFdJXdG5073shT+Dtey3AQRpPieu FCks1kMkBYZCJ+hOft2ukOAwJfxrE+6D9nwH4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=paY4QM+bS41lMtpdvA5KRQVFcbjjjAzwkYxHyraq5wgHLQHO1Sm+T6JHlwv3vwDAj0 U3sDJmVMObt9CJyJQb46HFADgMbKRYaaVnKYyhyAzvNxBmi3janBbXonNFO1upJBRWlI shkXaBB069fpGLvLJYFh4i97g82oOhPsqj3hk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.36.197 with SMTP id u5mr8034454bkd.81.1260231613628; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:20:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 00:20:13 +0000 Message-ID: <9afca2640912071620w15cb02c8t1e7303fd15e57b65@mail.gmail.com> From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500kHz simple 5W TX/RX transverter Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032555771eaa8750047a2c89de X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d235.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --00032555771eaa8750047a2c89de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear All, My WSPR tx up-converter has now been modified to a *full TX/RX tranverter*suitable for WSPR, QRSS and CW in a *very* simple way, making use of the FT817 split facility which allows you to RX on 500kHz and TX on 28MHz. By adding a series LC between the TX PA and the FT817 input/output RF connection (with back-to-back diodes at the L and C junction, this allows "pass through" from the 500kHz ATU to the FT817 on RX (tuned to 500kHz). On TX, the diodes conduct and the C part is in parallel with the first cap in the TX low pass filter. This scheme is now working really well with good RX sensitivity and no change in TX power out. Schematic of the transverter is on my blog at http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/. My attempt to add it as an attachment to an email here earlier failed. This more or less concludes my 500kHz experimenting, apart from getting a few more CW QSOs in the log. It's been great fun all the way with lots of support from folks here. I was going to try 136kHz, but think I will now give this a miss for now. 73s Roger G3XBM -- ------------------------------------------------------------- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 --00032555771eaa8750047a2c89de Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear All,

My WSPR tx up-converter has now been modified to a ful= l TX/RX tranverter suitable for WSPR, QRSS and CW=A0 in a very= simple way, making use of the FT817 split facility which allows you to RX on 500kHz and TX on 28MHz. By adding a series LC between the TX PA and the FT817 input/output RF connection (with back-to-back diodes at the L and C junction, this allows "pass throug= h" from the 500kHz ATU to the FT817 on RX (tuned to 500kHz). On TX, the diodes conduct and the C part is in parallel with the first cap in the TX low pass filter. This scheme is now working really well with good RX sensitivity and no change in TX power out.

Schematic of the transve= rter is on my blog at http://g3= xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ . My attempt to add it as an attachment to an em= ail here earlier failed.

This more or less concludes my 500kHz experimenting, apart from gettin= g a few more CW QSOs in the log. It's been great fun all the way with= lots of support from folks here. I was going to try 136kHz, but think I= will now give this a miss for now.

73s
Roger G3XBM
--
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http://= g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
http://w= ww.g3xbm.co.uk
G3XBM =A0 =A0GQRP 1678 =A0 =A0 =A0ISWL G11088
--00032555771eaa8750047a2c89de-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.12]) by air-ma10.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMA101-b53c4b2805c5183; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:55:17 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0AC703800010A; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:55:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NKfJm-0002bG-6I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:52:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NKfJl-0002b6-QF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:52:29 +0000 Received: from fwx.uvtc.net ([195.22.25.2] helo=uvtcmail.se) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NKfLJ-0000Ez-3E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:54:07 +0000 thread-index: Acp90SXCO8j4TxmaQIyx96fGQU7omg== X-MEFilter-Version: 6.5.0 X-SPAM-FLAG: NO Received: from ([127.0.0.1]) with MailEnable ESMTP; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:54:15 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Gus" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:54:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4325 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal X-ME-Bayesian: 0.000000 X-CHK: uvtcmail.se X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: SM6BHZ strong in HB9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA7DD9.851E6F60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600c4b2805c24869 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA7DD9.851E6F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Toni and LF, thanks report and info. 73 de Gus SM6BHZ www.sm6bhz.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Anton B=E4rtschi=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 8:13 PM Subject: LF: SM6BHZ strong in HB9 The SM6BHZ Beacon on 600m is 579 here tonight. Not bad for 3W.=20 Why WSPR when CW works fine? What a wonderfull band! 73 de Toni, HB9ASB ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA7DD9.851E6F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Toni and LF,
 
thanks report and info.
 
73 de Gus SM6BHZ<= /DIV>
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Anton= B=E4rtschi=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 15,= 2009 8:13=20 PM
Subject: LF: SM6BHZ strong in= HB9

The SM6BHZ Beacon on 600m is 579 here tonight. Not ba= d for 3W.=20
Why WSPR when CW works fine? What a wonderfull band!
73 de To= ni,=20 HB9ASB
------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA7DD9.851E6F60-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from Black (g229182214.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.229.182.214]) by cia-dc08.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC084-ab8b4b257caf24d; Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:45:52 -0500 Message-ID: <47E8873B5C254CA9A406AA345E229ED6@Black> From: "Markus Vester" To: Subject: WSPR 2.0 samplerate Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:45:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01CA7C56.C87FC990" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-AOL-IP: 92.229.182.214 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CA7C56.C87FC990 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF, I have recently installed WSPR 2.0 on one older XP machine and found that d= ecodes were erratic, and the frequency readout was about 10 Hz high. The re= ason seems to be that the input samplerate is about 0.6 % low. The output s= amplerate is however correct. The strange thing is that this samplerate error was not present with the fo= rmer version 1.12. I now have the two versions running simultaneously side = by side, on the same machine with the same soundcard. WSPR 1.12 is producin= g perfect decodes on the correct frequency, whereas 2.0 reproducibly shows = the described effects. It looks like the new version somehow accesses the s= oundcard differently. Has anybody else experienced this? Best 73, Markus, DF6NM ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CA7C56.C87FC990 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear LF,
 
I have recently installed WSPR 2.0 on one = older XP=20 machine and found that decodes were erratic, and the frequen= cy=20 readout was about 10 Hz high. The reason seems to be that the input=20 samplerate is about 0.6 % low. The output samplerate is however=20 correct.
 
The strange thing is that this samplerate = error was=20 not present with the former version 1.12. I now have the two versions=20 running simultaneously side by side, on the same machine with the same=20 soundcard. WSPR 1.12 is producing perfect decodes on the correct frequ= ency,=20 whereas 2.0 reproducibly shows the described effects. It looks like the new version somehow accesses the sou= ndcard=20 differently.
 
Has anybody else experienced this?<= /DIV>
 
Best 73,
Markus, DF6NM
 
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CA7C56.C87FC990--

EOM

 

With best regards=

 Jim

The strange thing is that this sample= rate error was=20 not present with the former version 1.12. I now have the two vers= ions=20 running simultaneously side by side, on the same machine with the same= =20 soundcard. WSPR 1.12 is producing perfect decodes on the correct= frequency,=20 whereas 2.0 reproducibly shows the described effects. It looks like the new version somehow access= es the soundcard=20 differently.
The strange thing is that this sample= rate error was=20 not present with the former version 1.12. I now have the two vers= ions=20 running simultaneously side by side, on the same machine with the same= =20 soundcard. WSPR 1.12 is producing perfect decodes on the correct= frequency,=20 whereas 2.0 reproducibly shows the described effects. It looks like the new version somehow access= es the soundcard=20 differently.