From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb11.mx.aol.com (rly-mb11.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.169]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMB071-d3a4a5724fcef; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:24:55 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb11.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB116-d3a4a5724fcef; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:24:47 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MPECy-00046r-AT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:24:04 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MPECx-00046i-UZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:24:03 +0100 Received: from mailex.atlas.pipex.net ([194.154.164.64]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPECv-0003Ir-7F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:24:03 +0100 Received: from [62.249.237.217] (helo=daddave) by mail6.atlas.pipex.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPECu-0007Sl-Bn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:24:00 +0100 From: "Michael Probert GW4HXO" To: Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:23:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcoBSTBqBBMRh2HHRZGj9vm/syT68wAB12Ig In-Reply-To: <001401ca0147$dc500d20$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Message-Id: Subject: RE: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Apologies, I should have addressed my previous posting to the group. Mike GW4HXO. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (rly-dc09.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.38]) by air-dc10.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC103-b3d4a6556df1f; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 01:49:42 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC091-b3d4a6556df1f; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 01:49:21 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MT8Cn-0006TN-FB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:48:01 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MT8Cm-0006TE-M6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:48:00 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s29.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.40]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MT8Ci-0000Oz-BZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:47:58 +0100 Received: from BLU146-W26 ([65.55.116.8]) by blu0-omc1-s29.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:47:50 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [138.32.244.2] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:47:50 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2009 05:47:50.0911 (UTC) FILETIME=[C8B748F0:01CA09C6] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_83d51116-e2fe-4776-b0d8-74e0d716ffe3_" Subject: RE: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_83d51116-e2fe-4776-b0d8-74e0d716ffe3_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jeff - The "turns" of the mains WD2XDW loop were just distanced parallel= loops running in roughly the same plane to reduce the RF copper losses an= d open up the bandwidth a bit - . I did try a couple of "turns" but never= managed to get the ommppff field. Interesting given the fact that some pe= ople use 2 turns on their K9AY's successfully - =20 =20 All the loops ends up welded together on lugs and attached to the tuner.= Ive just overhauled the tuner ready to put on line for WE2XPQ but it wil= l be running lower power for a while as I dont want to start a forest fire= in Alaska! =20 Back home in KL7 on August 14th again...just need time... =20 laurence BY3A-KL1X Tanggu China 34degC We2XPQ/ x Wd2XDW Wasilla AK =20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? Hello Markus and Rick! =20 I have only just acquainted myself with your messages. (Just going out from hospital, big blood pressure problem...) Thanks a lot for precious information, of what make fun still! I recovered some ferrites N87 types which should work in 137 KHZ. Another subject interests me, it is the possibility of transmitting with= a big spool of several turns (a bit as WD2XDW). But EIRP is much weaker= than with a vertical aerial, then it is necessary to "push more" in powe= r! =20 Thanks in advance! 73: Jeff / F6CWN=20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99 SkyDrive=99: Store, access, and share your photos. See how= . http://windowslive.com/Online/SkyDrive?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_CS_SD_photos_07= 2009=3D --_83d51116-e2fe-4776-b0d8-74e0d716ffe3_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jeff - The "turns" of the mains WD2XDW loop were just distanced paral= lel loops running in roughly the same plane to reduce the RF copper losses= and open up the bandwidth a bit - . I did try a couple of "turns" bu= t never managed to get the ommppff field. Interesting given the fact that= some people use 2 turns on their K9AY's successfully -  
 
All the loops ends up welded together  on lugs and attached to the tu= ner.  Ive just overhauled the tuner ready to put on line for WE2XPQ= but it will be running lower power for a while as I dont want to start a= forest fire in Alaska!
 
Back home in KL7 on August 14th again...just need time...
 
laurence
BY3A-KL1X Tanggu China 34degC
We2XPQ/ x Wd2XDW Wasilla AK
 

 Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT in= 136 KHz TX?


Hello Markus and Rick!
 
I have only just acquainted myself with= your messages.
(Just going out from hospital, big blood pressure probl= em...)
Thanks a lot for precious information, of= what make fun still!
I recovered some ferrites N87 types which= should work in 137 KHZ.
Another subject interests me, it is the= possibility of transmitting with a big spool of several turns (a bit as= WD2XDW). But EIRP is much weaker than with a vertical aerial, then= it is necessary to "push more"  in power!
 
Thanks in advance!
73: Jeff / F6CWN

 

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See how. =3D --_83d51116-e2fe-4776-b0d8-74e0d716ffe3_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de11.mx.aol.com (rly-de11.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.147]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDE023-5164a72aeb976; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 04:43:57 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de11.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE117-5164a72aeb976; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 04:43:38 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MWngi-0008Dn-IK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 09:42:04 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MWngi-0008De-42 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 09:42:04 +0100 Received: from smtp802.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.62]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MWngd-000281-CN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 09:42:01 +0100 Received: (qmail 8768 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2009 08:41:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=rPlkuhk2Lt8IVfEvSj+UbXunafv8AMhetBdyiHKewwy6vixm212hknTntG4NGtquw2vhByEZXQar1dkFWp4IaIZ29tGe5vbAiXasemg2zfPXljzaFlpkM2Jjgbgx/l3pkNFMoHEMHa5lnMuFBhrqWGllZvBAPhTqFUuNzNVAVvg= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.184.111 with login) by smtp802.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2009 08:41:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: n4cAl5QVM1kcb_u.ee_k8VXDPH6rIzMWRkeOhm7tjQwWUlBkdZ8ALXKrUbKpzhcu5qcE.14zB2cbVTJdDC.r8UQty9BGcgnzXyLVI9yzd7kJvlmHkucRBf6lOLyY389E05Ym8uR_16C1kt.dtl6KRG0.IOA0zSJ6svGgcgzft9KBzGEmFRLIBhGyD6JZfe31hATgEufTyK1oSJuGz6IGBGDl_Pfs.8gNYejgO88OSuGQBCW67VOjS8gEfEUGe.dAjxfSF.O72zU4Izl.bUOk6LshF9KIywjqe8dgOOy98S3ZDrCXW6VZRj0k76DY2kBECIqXj29gb8BG6Yg- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <26379AECBF2643A4A7DF7102246EF677@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 09:41:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Reguest of technical info Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-2"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Lubos, LF Group, I don't know where you can get a LFR1000 manual, however Chase were bought by Schaffner about 10 years ago, and Schaffner's test equipment division has now been spun off as Teseq (http://www.teseq.co.uk), so you could try contacting them. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lubos OK2BVG" To: Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 6:15 AM Subject: LF: Reguest of technical info Hello LF! I have got "VLF interference measuring receiver LFR1000", produced by CHASE ELECTRICS LIMITED. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (rly-dc07.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.36]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC021-b304a5044803cc; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 02:13:30 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC074-b304a5044803cc; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 02:13:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MNKxj-0004QM-Nb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 07:12:31 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MNKxj-0004QD-D6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 07:12:31 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MNKxh-00015n-G5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 07:12:30 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B013B4C8081 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 08:12:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A02B44C80C8 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 08:12:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A504449.4030207@online.fr> Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 08:12:25 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <908B19DF06BE4ECEB3A61470A89BEFA8@Black> In-Reply-To: <908B19DF06BE4ECEB3A61470A89BEFA8@Black> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Last night , U4WPF beacon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello LF , Nothing here , many QRN ! 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj > Subject: DW: beacon UA4WPF > beacon (W _--)DFCW240 137.7795 17:00 to 01:00 UTC 04/07/2009 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md09.mx.aol.com (rly-md09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.147]) by air-md08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMD084-9254a4f4f08307; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 08:46:14 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md09.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD095-9254a4f4f08307; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 08:46:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MN4cL-0001CP-EA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:45:21 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MN4cL-0001CG-0o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:45:21 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr02.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.180]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MN4cJ-0004DN-Nh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:45:20 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-130-173-43.range86-130.btcentralplus.com [86.130.173.43]) by c2beaomr02.btconnect.com with ESMTP id CCB25139; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:45:13 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A4F4EDB.8040006@btconnect.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:45:15 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001401c9fc9c$938f2760$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr02.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0204.4A4F4EDA.0018,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2009-06-05 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Mc Coy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Mark wrote: > 30 sec search on the internet > http://www.datasheetarchive.com/pdf-datasheets/Datasheets-110/DSAP004237.pdf Quote "The INTERNET creates more problems than it solves. G3KEV" June 2009 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (rly-dc08.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.37]) by air-dc03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC032-b384a5e4afa1c3; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:33:03 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC084-b384a5e4afa1c3; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:32:43 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MRC4r-0000zK-7M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:31:49 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MRC4q-0000zB-MX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:31:48 +0100 Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com ([64.136.55.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MRC4e-00084V-Pc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:31:37 +0100 X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m03.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABFF6UWPAH9RFRA for (sender ); Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:30:53 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: yokUgcxCbtTP7XLrpefewNBQFsbdNq/Hbok5z74AkNmQx2tYBitC6A== Received: (from riese-k3djc@juno.com) by m03.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PMJT9FW2; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:30:41 PDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:28:38 -0400 Message-ID: <20090715.172949.3828.1.riese-k3djc@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.49 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-22,24-113 From: riese-k3djc@juno.com X-ContentStamp: 43:21:3708591853 X-MAIL-INFO:198e5f472fa7033b9aba3e833b43a3a79f87772a5a2a9fcfd3ea375ef7ca4e2befd32ada27abeec38adbdade931fdf4fca5bea4aea4fcb0b02b71ec7d7aa2a736e571e8b4f279eeaaefee7471bab0ffe27577f031bb3fe2b13bf1f6f5a0b177f2f43fa371f4eea433f3e4b87fb07b7e3ba X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|riese-k3djc@juno.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:59:44 +0100 "Alan Melia" writes: > Hi Ken yes I appreciate the usage. I was a little concerned that if > the > transformer was not designed for that kind of use it might not > necessarily > have sufficent insulation from that end of the winding to ground to > survive > the different stresses of of bridge rectifier. However Bob says he > has been > using one like that for years so I guess they must have been > conservatively > designed. I have had problems with transformers parallel primaries > and > series secondaries ( a common way of getting high voltages for > valves ....in > my youth :-)) ) breaking down under the voltage stress. I have > several > transformers I salvaged from MOs and I now feel a lot happier about > their I was able to mount a porcelain stand off at the same hole the ground lug was mounted to ,, I think I then added a gob of clear silicon from the local hardware store,,, was surprised that it held up,, but it did Bob K3DJC > use in HV PSUs. In the 50s.60s I was brought up with thick > insulation and > porcelain standoffs :-)) > > An interesting thread. > Best Wishes > Alan G3NYK > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 7:04 PM > Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers > > > > Hi Alan. > > The earthy end of the HV winding should be lifted from earth, and > a > fullwave > > bridge used . > > > > Ken > > 73 de M0KHW > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alan Melia" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:57 PM > > Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers > > > > > > > Hi all, I am very please to see not everyone sticks to a 12 volt > maximum > > > supply voltage > > > :-)) > > > > > > One though that occurs to me is that if one side of the MO > transformer > is > > > grounded in oven service........one ought to check that the > winding as a > > > whole is sufficiently well insulated from ground to stand > floating 2kV > > > above > > > ground. There may not be the same clearance /insulation on the > grounded > > > end > > > of the secondary as the intended high-voltage end?? On the other > hand it > > > might be quite OK. I have a certain cynicism about "consumer > designs". > > > > > > Alan G3NYK > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:34 PM > > > Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers > > > > > > > > > These special transformers need the magnetic bypass because a > magnetron > > > looks (as a load) like a Z diode. > > > So they are powered, more or less, with a constant current > source rather > > > than a constant voltage source. > > > > > > In other words, the "generator" (transformer) must have a large > source > > > impedance, and that's what the magnetic bypass in the 'former > does. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Wolf . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ Santa Rosa Bail Bonds Call Our Bail Bond Agency Today for Bail-Outs and Large Bail Bonds! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=LA9RGr2trsmsOtrwK2lJrAAAJ1D5rfaR-77IPsUFbn2LcZ2XAAUAAAAAAAAAAL4wmT0Oy05EUEm5af6OyBlyXr5OAAAAAA== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb09.mx.aol.com (rly-mb09.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.167]) by air-mb06.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMB061-d294a64435823; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:13:55 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb09.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB095-d294a64435823; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:13:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MSprS-0003xp-0K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:12:46 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MSprR-0003xg-8D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:12:45 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.53]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MSprM-0000Eg-R6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:12:43 +0100 X-Trace: 232473456/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.72.80/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.72.80 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjgFAAvgY0pYakhQ/2dsb2JhbACCKCsiATU8HocChR6GQrVxCYQDBQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,233,1246834800"; d="jpg'145?scan'145,208,217,145";a="232473456" Received: from 88-106-72-80.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.72.80]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 20 Jul 2009 11:12:39 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF -RSGB LF Group" Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:12:39 +0100 Message-ID: <000001ca0922$9cf3c580$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcoJIptn4uIFJgnjTn2znxXe2nIgcg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 504khz harmonic. Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA092A.FEB82D80" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA092A.FEB82D80 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0002_01CA092A.FEB82D80" ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01CA092A.FEB82D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, Occasionally recently I have been seeing strange patterns around the harmonic line received on my SpecLab grabbers on 504kHz from the broadcast station at 252kHz. The patterns are not just seen using the Softrock SDR Rx but also with my JRC NRD-345, the only common device is the Mini-Whip active antenna. I seem to remember some while ago comments on this LF Forum regarding that station carrying out some experiments or tests involving digital data or something similar. I wonder if this is an effect of those tests as there were concerns that it may cause interference on the 500kHz amateur band. Capture attached. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO. I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01CA092A.FEB82D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Occasionally recent= ly I have been seeing strange patterns around the harmonic line received on my SpecLab grabbers on= 504kHz from the broadcast station at 252kHz.

 

The patterns are no= t just seen using the Softrock SDR Rx but also with my JRC NRD-345, the only common device= is the Mini-Whip active antenna.

 

I seem to remember= some while ago comments on this LF Forum regarding that station carrying out some experiments= or tests involving digital data or something similar.<= /b>

 

I wonder if this is= an effect of those tests as there were concerns that it may cause interference on the 500= kHz amateur band.

 

Capture attached.

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO.

 

 
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Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [119.73.250.227] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 23:24:21 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4A504449.4030207@online.fr> References: <908B19DF06BE4ECEB3A61470A89BEFA8@Black> <4A504449.4030207@online.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2009 07:24:22.0103 (UTC) FILETIME=[9DED0E70:01C9FD41] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_f58a8a38-0f92-4187-8248-089288521c5b_" Subject: RE: LF: Last night , U4WPF beacon X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_f58a8a38-0f92-4187-8248-089288521c5b_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Same here - nothing seen but qrn was peaking -50dBm and worse. =20 Laurence 9V1 LF Singapore =20 > Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 08:12:25 +0200 > From: jpm.f1afj@online.fr > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Last night , U4WPF beacon >=20 > Hello LF , >=20 > Nothing here , many QRN ! >=20 > 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj >=20 > > Subject: DW: beacon UA4WPF > > beacon (W _--)DFCW240 137.7795 17:00 to 01:00 UTC 04/07/2009 >=20 >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99 SkyDrive=99: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_SD_25GB_062009= =3D --_f58a8a38-0f92-4187-8248-089288521c5b_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Same here - nothing seen but qrn was peaking -50dBm and worse.
 
Laurence 9V1 LF Singapore
 
> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 08:= 12:25 +0200
> From: jpm.f1afj@online.fr
> To: rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org
> Subject: LF: Last night , U4WPF beacon
>
&g= t; Hello LF ,
>
> Nothing here , many QRN !
>
>= 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj
>
> > Subject: DW: beacon UA4WPF
= > > beacon (W _--)DFCW240 137.7795 17:00 to 01:00 UTC 04/07/2009
= >
>

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Get it on your BlackBerry= or iPhone. =3D --_f58a8a38-0f92-4187-8248-089288521c5b_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me03.mx.aol.com (rly-me03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.36]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINME012-9a84a57398b381; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:52:39 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME034-9a84a57398b381; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:52:28 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MPFZc-0004fM-31 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:51:32 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MPFZb-0004fD-JO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:51:31 +0100 Received: from mail-bw0-f218.google.com ([209.85.218.218]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPFZU-0004KT-GW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:51:25 +0100 Received: by bwz18 with SMTP id 18so887322bwz.4 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:51:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=aX4NMALUpfCEPGT2Pyxj6dAh/Vvma0pM0nvF7dBxnII=; b=eZODuHUjnTcscDAwenAo9KVrOIJwO5UFfXbU8yRUxdfatM+oDB0mF2HpnvztiAomr/ l7ZJfhgxKLpTMT1VbNkNSr7doBoA71k1gtjcj8YSRqr+53RDZBZPiAdnoGrvyzlDMrww cpYc9AdAZqI4SLqAg5Wva61StVmkLwwTDvg6U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ZYUbVB2WXeVml3RHGkQ2m/p0JfxCMyBi0QGeTsxoW5sJMqihLBwsXbrlRBYn2Ggloj T4KEM9xSQSQBizXwKPdJPJTtPXyWwzmBLqveUdYiR6EDPhTNdR7Cmn9X5JsrmEk+StB7 mWNanI0SP5ePKNOEg6Sfi+rmzsuWYbN7YkzsU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.152.193 with SMTP id w1mr181890hbb.41.1247230283592; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:51:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <001401ca0147$dc500d20$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:51:23 +0100 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d228.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Ask yourself why it may be advantageous to jam GPS is a war scenario, and just how GPS is likely to be used by both sides. Then consider how it may be done in a sensible manner, how to avoid excessive fratricide and why excercises such as these may have to be performed. Ask yourself why Selective Availability was removed some years ago. May like to also wonder if the substation located at exactly that specified location could have anything to do with the exercise. Andy G4JNT www.g4jnt.com 2009/7/10 Michael Probert GW4HXO : > Hello Finbar, > > =A0Maybe Mal has a point? =A0Seems a bit odd that the MOD are going to= jam an > important service for a couple of hours. =A0Can you imagine it they jamm= ed TV > for a day or two, would be nice! > > Best regards > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton > Sent: 10 July 2009 11:19 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises > > Like I said when the big BANG comes the Appliance operator and his data > gadgets will be rendered useless, whereas a Radio Amateur with his 2 val= ved > RX/TX, a morse key, a piece of wire for antenna and a pedal powered powe= r > source will communicate on. > We all managed to commumicate and navigate this past 100 years without= these > > gadgets, unfortunately today the majority seem to be totally dependant= on > computers and associated data devices. These gadgets are handy but make= a > person LAZY and forgetful about how to write and operate CW as a tool to > communicate. > G3KEV > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Pick" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 8:11 AM > Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises > > > Perhaps we should encourage a Loran jamming excercise to prove that it > isn't the un-jammable marvel that its cracked up to be? > > ;-) > > Dave G3YXM > > 2009/7/9 Dave G3WCB : >> Hmmm... I can only see an electricity substation at that exact >> location...the source will probably on Henley's Down or somewhere simil= ar. >> >> It'll mess-up any GPS-disciplined beacons (LF or Microwave)for a few >> hours! >> >> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Andy Talbot >> Sent: 08 July 2009 22:36 >> To: ukmicrowaves@yahoogroups.com; uk_beacons@yahoogroups.com; >> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: LF: Fwd: Fw: Ofcom Update: Date Correction - Forthcoming GPS >> jamming exercises >> >> >> The Lat/Long converts to: >> Loc. JO00FV41 >> NGR TQ723122 >> >> Andy >> www.g4jnt.com >> >> --- On Wed, 8/7/09, Updates wrote: >> >> From: Updates >> Subject: Ofcom Update: Date Correction - Forthcoming GPS jamming exerci= ses >> To: >> Date: Wednesday, 8 July, 2009, 11:14 AM >> >> The MoD has informed Ofcom of the following GPS jamming exercise: >> >> Dates: 14th and 15th October 2009. >> >> Times: Maximum of two hours between the times of 08:00-12:00 and >> 13:30=9615:30 each day. >> >> Location: Within 1km of N50=B0 53.0=92 and E000=B0 27.0=92 (Bexhill, Ea= st Sussex). >> >> Contact: Trial Manager (during the trial) on 07776 484226. >> >> > ........................................................................= ... >> >> >> > > > > -- > G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- > ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.9/2228 - Release Date: 07/09/0= 9 > 18:07:00 > > > > __________ NOD32 4231 (20090710) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da10.mx.aol.com (rly-da10.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.84]) by air-da08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDA081-a934a50c8813e1; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 11:36:46 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da10.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA103-a934a50c8813e1; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 11:36:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MNTkJ-0005uW-4T for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:35:15 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MNTkG-0005uN-A5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:35:12 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MNTkD-0007vh-TQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:35:12 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlMFAANlUEpZ8FXy/2dsb2JhbACCJy2CFId9Brx6hBIF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.240.85.242]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 05 Jul 2009 16:35:04 +0100 Message-ID: <006b01c9fd86$2acc8020$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <001401c9fc9c$938f2760$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 16:35:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Mc Coy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0068_01C9FD8E.8C3FBAE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C9FD8E.8C3FBAE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark Osc fired up and working fb. I was looking for more detailed info abou= t ctl voltages ie V versus Freq. This unit is marked 10Mhz when suppli= ed with 5V ctl voltage, and this is spot on with 6v TTL output. 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 1:37 PM Subject: LF: Re: Mc Coy 30 sec search on the internet http://www.datasheetarchive.com/pdf-datasheets/Datasheets-110/DSAP00= 4237.pdf Mark ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 12:42 PM Subject: LF: Mc Coy Hi all Does anyone have data for Mc Coy electronics XTAL OSCILLATOR MC137= X7-001W 10.000 MHz SN72758-126 This is a module and requires +5v, +15v sealed unit but has an adj= uster and I expect the osc can be shifted slightly, but enough to be= useful for 500 Khz divided down. 73 mal/g3kev ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.3/2217 - Release Date:= 07/03/09 18:11:00 ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.3/2217 - Release Date: 07/= 03/09 18:11:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C9FD8E.8C3FBAE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mark
Osc fired up and working fb. I was lo= oking for more=20 detailed info about ctl voltages ie V versus Freq. This unit is= marked=20 10Mhz when supplied with 5V ctl voltage, and this is spot on with 6v= TTL=20 output.
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mark
Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009= 1:37=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Mc Coy

30 sec search on the internet
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Saturday, July 04, 20= 09 12:42=20 PM
Subject: LF: Mc Coy

Hi all
Does anyone have data for Mc Coy= electronics=20 XTAL OSCILLATOR MC137X7-001W 10.000 MHz
SN72758-126
This is a module and requires +5v= , +15v sealed=20 unit but has an adjuster and I expect the osc can be shifted sligh= tly, but=20 enough to be useful for 500 Khz divided down.
73 mal/g3kev
 


No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by= AVG -=20 www.avg.com
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------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C9FD8E.8C3FBAE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da08.mx.aol.com (rly-da08.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.82]) by air-da08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDA082-a834a6c7ac6b0; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 11:48:42 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA083-a834a6c7ac6b0; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 11:48:23 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MV5wY-000531-0s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:47:22 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MV5wV-00052s-K0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:47:19 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-2.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.243] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MV5wR-0002Dt-9q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:47:17 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: As8EAMsXbEpcGxNp/2dsb2JhbACCJyyCG4UGgyYGvxaEDQU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([92.27.19.105]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2009 16:46:56 +0100 Message-ID: <004e01ca0e08$4e2b7ac0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:46:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: BEACON Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004B_01CA0E10.AF7645F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01CA0E10.AF7645F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EI0CF QTH EJM in beacon mode. Am I the only one receiving this beacon. What about the grabbers? de g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01CA0E10.AF7645F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
EI0CF QTH EJM in beacon mode.<= /DIV>
Am I the only one receiving this beac= on. What about=20 the grabbers?
de g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_004B_01CA0E10.AF7645F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df12.mx.aol.com (rly-df12.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.25]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDF012-5964a662777226; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:39:40 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df12.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF125-5964a662777226; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:39:20 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTM5r-0000dH-GK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:37:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTM5r-0000d8-4a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:37:47 +0100 Received: from mail-bw0-f212.google.com ([209.85.218.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTM5a-0001Wd-Ax for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:37:30 +0100 Received: by bwz8 with SMTP id 8so3259493bwz.4 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:37:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=RQf/fvj7waENsEq9KKGvAxb/gR+28Gvu5zOnVIGtI9E=; b=lY7KyzMt2qBwCG2TfKk0FzmBUuy1sys8aqJAJIz7AxGjCBRODtm3C93DNzkCqUbjsT h0r27fMWgMyZ4/5K3q6nO0zCl2pq2Q9T+AUPkITuVHlfvCx8FYsCKVaEtD+aHu2REsau WlHJEoi4uwXlF4DOSjaFXpx/8u1TUf7wTjDxs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=QdhHia3S2MpwyAS1FDt57Yxmr1KcXn2Q4O6/Ns3qnVFhXm14NI393mNI/8h9RyTY+Q FobiiyxHXE7zEJ4cGsnX4NpWsdkpQW4mf9PKYQDcS0rylk35Ec1l0yVWiCIfIwHT7vq8 coJ+fUNLz+vr5h2I1HpkYt4uA7MBw7D7amIWY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.126.69 with SMTP id b5mr44115fas.54.1248208657941; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:37:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70907211108s7ae57f96ncda6b9d6b2567e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <57a24ca70907211108s7ae57f96ncda6b9d6b2567e5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:37:37 +0100 Message-ID: <8bf118410907211337ve1d9331s40c9e3a278408920@mail.gmail.com> From: Dave Pick To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: August Radcom Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5a82fa986a4046f3d39cb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d261.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001636c5a82fa986a4046f3d39cb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fame at last! Dave. 2009/7/21 Warren Ziegler > Thanks to Dave G3YXM for printing the WD2XGJ station picture on p. 33 > of the August Radcom. > > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > > -- G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK --001636c5a82fa986a4046f3d39cb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fame at last!

Dave.

2009/7/21 War= ren Ziegler <wd2x= gj@gmail.com>
Thanks to Dave G3YXM for printing the WD2XGJ station picture on p. 33
of the August Radcom.

73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ




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--001636c5a82fa986a4046f3d39cb-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg06.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMG063-a254a6888682b0; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:57:32 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG077-a254a6888682b0; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:57:30 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MU0eV-0004xu-PM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:56:15 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MU0eV-0004xl-DH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:56:15 +0100 Received: from mail-gx0-f221.google.com ([209.85.217.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MU0eC-0002Qm-Ud for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:55:57 +0100 Received: by gxk21 with SMTP id 21so1700023gxk.4 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 08:56:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=qfZLfklljGOwg/tHj5BxYkkRtXdFJkI7LcMljoGgu8E=; b=xulhpLn+7lzwIurkpQraZSKG4lSMWaPS394zd5e8h4LR0oFlDLNl2BCeFU9wZy4m4s vD+fa3/JyGls7GGnc6FotDvx/Yph3M1QO2mR/r6bFQTg8sTQO0uaLsoFuJCT2cZTIHl3 J8OUGv9u7BuFqrr3b7c7Olz0K2uFDGDluEAmc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=sNEZRu+jEDAdb/aDISTq3JS6qtg6tW4GwG5uC2bVUQbXprwVtwUE5Ge+pasnsnLzmg nSe08VWZA7kDlmSVrmrnyDTeGey4Xj3uTJU6JY0a/XglhVNpC9B+n2lzNjeT7mDrgPdD UJJSlbcwWTnVIozULEtleJesEiXX6bYRXGBDI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.52.10 with SMTP id z10mr3465358ybz.216.1248364564769; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 08:56:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A681267.9010602@online.fr> References: <000001ca0922$9cf3c580$6401a8c0@asus> <006501ca0926$8f4743e0$0900a8c0@AM> <4A681267.9010602@online.fr> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:56:04 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70907230856t4877342erfb2c84bc4891fee7@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: [137kHz] T/A WD2XGJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m232.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Jean-Pierre, Thanks for the report. I ran full power for one 'XGJ' string, just bad conditions. --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 3:33 AM, "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 (F1AFJ)" wrote: > Hi Warren , LF , > > Just a small trace last night ! > Or the propagation are very bad ? > Or Warren forgot to bring PA ! > Or perhaps spots of the sun of these last days > > 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (rly-mg02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.108]) by air-mg09.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMG094-9fb4a510536385; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:55:57 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG025-9fb4a510536385; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:55:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MNXnd-0006YW-LD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:54:57 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MNXnc-0006YM-UK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:54:56 +0100 Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.213.7]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MNXna-0006JY-BO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:54:55 +0100 Received: from [172.23.170.142] (helo=anti-virus02-09) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1MNXna-0003iy-9s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:54:54 +0100 Received: from [92.235.33.173] (helo=p4) by asmtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1MNXnZ-00084e-J8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:54:53 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Mark" To: References: <001401c9fc9c$938f2760$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <006b01c9fd86$2acc8020$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 20:54:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Mc Coy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0053_01C9FDB2.D8553A80" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C9FDB2.D8553A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal, no problem, the info is indeed a bit limited about the Hz/V for the ad= justment. The data sheet seems to suggest that the control voltage is capable of= modulating the oscillator, which implies a fast slew rate. This is no= t particularly good if you intend to just use the oscillator as a fixe= d frequency source. It means you must filter the control voltage bette= r.=20 Of course using the source at low frequencies, none of the issues of= this type of source will manifest themselves significantly, but it is= probable that the performance of a microwave local oscillator locked= to one of these may be a bit noisy. To better understand the unit's characteristics, measure the frequency= at extremes of the control voltage range. That is about all the infor= mation that is missing. most oscillators of this type have a fairly limited tuning range, so= you may find pulling the unit to your desired frequency on 500KHz is= not possible. To reach 505 KHz the oscillator must pull to 10.1MHz,= which is a large excursion for oscillators of this type 10 Hz in 10= MHz is 1ppm. 100KHz in 10 MHz is 10,000 PPM=20 Regards mark ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 4:35 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Mc Coy Mark Osc fired up and working fb. I was looking for more detailed info ab= out ctl voltages ie V versus Freq. This unit is marked 10Mhz when supp= lied with 5V ctl voltage, and this is spot on with 6v TTL output. 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 1:37 PM Subject: LF: Re: Mc Coy 30 sec search on the internet http://www.datasheetarchive.com/pdf-datasheets/Datasheets-110/DSAP= 004237.pdf Mark ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 12:42 PM Subject: LF: Mc Coy Hi all Does anyone have data for Mc Coy electronics XTAL OSCILLATOR MC1= 37X7-001W 10.000 MHz SN72758-126 This is a module and requires +5v, +15v sealed unit but has an= adjuster and I expect the osc can be shifted slightly, but enough to= be useful for 500 Khz divided down. 73 mal/g3kev ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Mal,
no problem, the info is indeed a bit= limited about=20 the Hz/V for the adjustment.
The data sheet seems to suggest that&= nbsp;the=20 control voltage is capable of modulating the oscillator, which implies= =20 a fast slew rate. This is not particularly good if you intend to= =20 just use the oscillator as a fixed frequency source. It means you= must=20 filter the control voltage better.
Of course using the source at low fre= quencies, none=20 of the issues of this type of source will manifest themselves signific= antly, but=20 it is probable that the performance of a microwave local oscillator lo= cked to=20 one of these may be a bit noisy.
To better understand the unit's= =20 characteristics, measure the frequency at extremes of the control volt= age range.=20 That is about all the information that is missing.
most oscillators of this type have a= fairly limited=20 tuning range, so you may find pulling the unit to your desired frequen= cy on=20 500KHz is not possible.   To reach 505 KHz the oscillat= or must=20 pull to 10.1MHz, which is a large excursion for oscillators of this ty= pe 10 Hz=20 in 10 MHz is 1ppm. 100KHz in 10 MHz  is 10,000 PPM
 
Regards
mark
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009= 4:35 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: Mc Coy

Mark
Osc fired up and working fb. I was= looking for=20 more detailed info about ctl voltages ie V versus Freq. This un= it is=20 marked 10Mhz when supplied with 5V ctl voltage, and this is spot on= with 6v=20 TTL output.
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mark
Sent: Saturday, July 04, 20= 09 1:37=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Mc Coy

30 sec search on the internet
Mark
----- Original Message -----
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To: rsgb
Sent: Saturday, July 04,= 2009 12:42=20 PM
Subject: LF: Mc Coy

Hi all
Does anyone have data for Mc Co= y electronics=20 XTAL OSCILLATOR MC137X7-001W 10.000 MHz
SN72758-126
This is a module and requires= +5v, +15v=20 sealed unit but has an adjuster and I expect the osc can be shif= ted=20 slightly, but enough to be useful for 500 Khz divided down.
73 mal/g3kev
 


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------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C9FDB2.D8553A80-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf10.mx.aol.com (rly-mf10.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.180]) by air-mf10.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMF104-9844a66577e3ba; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:04:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf10.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF102-9844a66577e3ba; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:04:16 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTPIP-0000tj-Ee for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:02:57 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTPIP-0000ta-2h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:02:57 +0100 Received: from mailout10.t-online.de ([194.25.134.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTPI8-0002Yk-1T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:02:40 +0100 Received: from fwd08.aul.t-online.de by mailout10.t-online.de with smtp id 1MTPIJ-00021a-03; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 02:02:51 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.22] (EXVUfcZfrhTsYvCcMFatmAiVIalpDnXc3bIr6HGyy7scyU5nulrWy-ryQaN06yFZgQ@[93.211.94.234]) by fwd08.t-online.de with esmtp id 1MTPIE-2555Oq0; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 02:02:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de To: X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 6.08.0003 Date: 22 Jul 2009 00:00 GMT Message-ID: <1MTPIE-2555Oq0@fwd08.t-online.de> X-ID: EXVUfcZfrhTsYvCcMFatmAiVIalpDnXc3bIr6HGyy7scyU5nulrWy-ryQaN06yFZgQ X-TOI-MSGID: e0b4a4ca-3522-4a42-a14c-e2a6a8603551 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Loop (was Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear John, LF, I would like especially to comment on using a one winding loop combined with a step-up transformer: I am using such a loop for years with continuing success. The primary of the transformer should have the same inductance as the loop itself. The secondary should provide an inductive reactance of four times the cable impedance, either at the frequency or band of interest, or on the geometric mean frequency of a broader band, in my case 10 kHz to 500 kHz (using a mean frequency of 71 kHz). As in any pure receiving applications ferrites with high Al values can be used for the transformer (6800 in my case). Concerning sensitivity, in all cases so far the rf band noise has been the limiting factor, provided the loop area is not too small. I guess many loop builders overrate the formula saying that the voltage of a loop will increase with the number of turns (which is ok when tuning the loop). But what we really want from a receiving loop is receiving power (voltage across an rx input resistance), and it is the loop area which counts in this respect, not the number of turns. Just if the turns ratio of the transformer may become too high for practical reasons, a two or three turn loop may be easier to be matched to a cable. An untuned loop is a broadband rf source, however. Therefore I am using a preselector (at VLF an 80 kHz low-pass filter) before the receiver or converter, with some amplification behind. Tuning the preselector in the shack is much easier than a loop outside the house. > > And just one random thought on multi-turn receiving loops: As Jim Moritz has > pointed out a number of times, a loop of N turns can be quite nicely replaced by a > loop of one turn and an N step-up transformer. A one-turn loop is easier to > construct, and may provide a wider tuning range. > > John, W1TAG > 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (rly-mg08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.114]) by air-mg09.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMG091-a2c4a58ca24297; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:22:00 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG086-a2c4a58ca24297; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:21:44 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MPgFU-0000iE-I6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:20:32 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MPgFU-0000i5-1w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:20:32 +0100 Received: from mout4.freenet.de ([195.4.92.94]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPgFN-0000wl-RJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:20:31 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.18] (helo=8.mx.freenet.de) by mout4.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #92) id 1MPgFM-0007j4-Ld for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:20:24 +0200 Received: from g230241086.adsl.alicedsl.de ([92.230.241.86]:1273 helo=[192.168.0.100]) by 8.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #93) id 1MPgFM-0003Ux-DU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:20:24 +0200 Message-ID: <4A58C9D7.2030507@freenet.de> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:20:23 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Wolfgang_B=FCscher?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RSGB LF Group X-purgate-ID: 149285::1247332824-00004473-ADDE7620/0-0/0-0 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: G3YXM 59 ;-) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) So sorry that I can't transmit on 136 kHz from home .. hpe cul Dave, 73, Wolf . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (rly-dd06.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.153]) by air-dd10.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDD103-b814a65bf81345; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:15:55 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD063-b814a65bf81345; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:15:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTFAk-0007Lj-2s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:14:22 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTFAj-0007La-I3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:14:21 +0100 Received: from smtp28.orange.fr ([80.12.242.100]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTFAS-00069l-QB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:14:05 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf2807.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B8DBD7000082 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:14:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf2807.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AD9E27000091 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:14:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from acer9412 (ARouen-256-1-75-250.w90-22.abo.wanadoo.fr [90.22.2.250]) by mwinf2807.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 401517000082 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:14:08 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090721131408262.401517000082@mwinf2807.orange.fr Message-ID: From: "F6CWN" To: Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:14:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Fw: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0043_01CA0A05.20F87AF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01CA0A05.20F87AF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? Hello Laurence and all! =20 I use a two turns rx antenna, it works quite good (more directivity)= . And it are this type of aerial which has just given me the idea of= trying a large coil in TX. Wires in parallel are a very good idea to reduce losses. The problem (I think) is the Q of this aerial. It is necessary to bu= ild an automatic system (PID) to compensate the drift because the aeri= en is very sensitive to the environment variations. This is not easy= because power is high! Two advantages: smaller aerial and bigger directivity. Disadvantage: More copper in air (heavy!), really in case of problem= more important fire hazard. Without counting that the horizontal pola= risation of the field is forgotten. Conclusion: It is again necessary to think... VY 73: Jeff (PS: Ferrites are N67 and not N87!) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 5:47 AM Subject: RE: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? Jeff - The "turns" of the mains WD2XDW loop were just distanced pa= rallel loops running in roughly the same plane to reduce the RF copper= losses and open up the bandwidth a bit - . I did try a couple of "tur= ns" but never managed to get the ommppff field. Interesting given the= fact that some people use 2 turns on their K9AY's successfully - =20 =20 All the loops ends up welded together on lugs and attached to the= tuner. Ive just overhauled the tuner ready to put on line for WE2XPQ= but it will be running lower power for a while as I dont want to star= t a forest fire in Alaska! =20 Back home in KL7 on August 14th again...just need time... =20 laurence BY3A-KL1X Tanggu China 34degC We2XPQ/ x Wd2XDW Wasilla AK =20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? Hello Markus and Rick! I have only just acquainted myself with your messages. (Just going out from hospital, big blood pressure problem...) Thanks a lot for precious information, of what make fun still! I recovered some ferrites N87 types which should work in 137 KHZ= . Another subject interests me, it is the possibility of transmitt= ing with a big spool of several turns (a bit as WD2XDW). But EIRP is= much weaker than with a vertical aerial, then it is necessary to "pus= h more" in power! Thanks in advance! 73: Jeff / F6CWN=20 =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ Windows Live=99 SkyDrive=99: Store, access, and share your photos.= See how.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01CA0A05.20F87AF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT in 13= 6 KHz=20 TX?

Hello Laurence and all!
 I use=20 a two turns rx antenna, it works quite good (more directivity).= And it=20 are this type of aerial which has just given me the idea of trying&n= bsp;a=20 large coil in TX.
Wires in parallel are a very good= idea to reduce=20 losses.
The problem (I think) is the Q of= this aerial. It=20 is necessary to build an automatic system (PID) to=20 compensate the drift because the aerien is very sensitive= to the=20 environment variations. This is not easy because power is=20 high!
Two advantages: smaller aerial and= bigger=20 directivity.
Disadvantage: More copper in air (h= eavy!), really=20 in case of problem more important fire hazard. Without counting that= the=20 horizontal polarisation of the field is forgotten.
 
Conclusion: It is again necessary= to=20 think...
 
VY 73: Jeff
 
(PS: Ferrites are N67 and not N87!)
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 200= 9 5:47=20 AM
Subject: RE: LF: Re: IGBT= in 136 KHz=20 TX?

Jeff - The "turns" of the mains WD2XDW loop we= re just=20 distanced parallel loops running in roughly the same plane to redu= ce the RF=20 copper losses and open up the bandwidth a bit - . I did try= a couple of=20 "turns" but never managed to get the ommppff field. Interesting gi= ven the=20 fact that some people use 2 turns on their K9AY's successfull= y -=20  
 
All the loops ends up welded together  on= lugs and=20 attached to the tuner.  Ive just overhauled the tuner ready= to put on=20 line for WE2XPQ but it will be running lower power for a while as= I dont=20 want to start a forest fire in Alaska!
 
Back home in= KL7 on=20 August 14th again...just need time...
 
laurence
BY3= A-KL1X=20 Tanggu China 34degC
We2XPQ/ x Wd2XDW Wasilla=20 AK
 

 Subject:= Re: LF:=20 Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?


Hello Markus and Rick!
 
I have only just acquainted mys= elf with your=20 messages.
(Just going out from hospital, big blood pressure= =20 problem...)
Thanks a lot for precious infor= mation, of=20 what make fun still!
I recovered some ferrites N87= types which=20 should work in 137 KHZ.
Another subject interests me,= it is the=20 possibility of transmitting with a big spool of several turns (a= bit as=20 WD2XDW). But EIRP is much weaker than with a vertical aeria= l, then it=20 is necessary to "push more"  in power!
 
Thanks in advance!
73: Jeff / F6CWN

 

Windows Live=99 SkyDrive=99: Store, access, and share your photos.= See how.
------=_NextPart_000_0043_01CA0A05.20F87AF0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md02.mx.aol.com (rly-md02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.140]) by air-md09.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMD093-8ec4a575439bc; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:46:35 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD024-8ec4a575439bc; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:46:20 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MPHLq-00054e-O8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:45:26 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MPHLq-00054V-2t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:45:26 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPHLn-0007K6-KR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:45:25 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEABHxVkpZ8Rn//2dsb2JhbACEa8tghAgFgTs Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.241.25.255]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 15:45:17 +0100 Message-ID: <005701ca016d$0ade8a20$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <001401ca0147$dc500d20$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <004e01ca0164$c2eba160$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:45:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ps Imagine being without SKY satellite TV for a day or so or for ever !!!!!!!!!!!!! ie controlled jamming or the satellite deliberately ZAPPED no alternative Analogue terrestrial TV is being phased out where at least one gets some sort of degraded picture, digital TV all or nothing. No doubt FM radio is to follow and DAB radio is hit and miss in some areas and not practical in a vehicle again all or nothing. Assume the respective terrestrial TX is on air Is this progress, making way for more data channels, for even more data, someone has lost the plot as they say. --------------------- corr.Period g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" To: Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 2:46 PM Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises > We all know the reasons and under some circumstances justified, but so > many > now rely on and depend on its existance that perhaps we have gone down the > wrong road. Just imagine if a major incident was about to take place and > it > was jammed for prolonged peroids. So many agencies now depend on it and > consider it an essential navigation facility. > Of course it could also be jammed deliberately by hostile organisations > which is even worse than a controlled exercise. > Communications satellites are also vunerable to jamming and abuse and the > whole world communications network is virtually dependent on them with > only > limited cable alternatives. > I think we are in a right mess and more vunerable than before the advent > of such systems not to mention computer viruses and hackers etc. > All these gadgets and contraptions are very useful but the mistake is > totally DEPENDING on them which is the situation we are in. > G3KEV > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andy Talbot" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 1:51 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises > > > Ask yourself why it may be advantageous to jam GPS is a war scenario, > and just how GPS is likely to be used by both sides. > Then consider how it may be done in a sensible manner, how to avoid > excessive fratricide and why excercises such as these may have to be > performed. > > Ask yourself why Selective Availability was removed some years ago. > > May like to also wonder if the substation located at exactly that > specified location could have anything to do with the exercise. > > Andy G4JNT > www.g4jnt.com > > > > 2009/7/10 Michael Probert GW4HXO : >> Hello Finbar, >> >> Maybe Mal has a point? Seems a bit odd that the MOD are going to jam an >> important service for a couple of hours. Can you imagine it they jammed >> TV >> for a day or two, would be nice! >> >> Best regards >> >> Mike >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton >> Sent: 10 July 2009 11:19 >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises >> >> Like I said when the big BANG comes the Appliance operator and his data >> gadgets will be rendered useless, whereas a Radio Amateur with his 2 >> valved >> RX/TX, a morse key, a piece of wire for antenna and a pedal powered power >> source will communicate on. >> We all managed to commumicate and navigate this past 100 years without >> these >> >> gadgets, unfortunately today the majority seem to be totally dependant on >> computers and associated data devices. These gadgets are handy but make a >> person LAZY and forgetful about how to write and operate CW as a tool to >> communicate. >> G3KEV >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dave Pick" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 8:11 AM >> Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises >> >> >> Perhaps we should encourage a Loran jamming excercise to prove that it >> isn't the un-jammable marvel that its cracked up to be? >> >> ;-) >> >> Dave G3YXM >> >> 2009/7/9 Dave G3WCB : >>> Hmmm... I can only see an electricity substation at that exact >>> location...the source will probably on Henley's Down or somewhere >>> similar. >>> >>> It'll mess-up any GPS-disciplined beacons (LF or Microwave)for a few >>> hours! >>> >>> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Andy Talbot >>> Sent: 08 July 2009 22:36 >>> To: ukmicrowaves@yahoogroups.com; uk_beacons@yahoogroups.com; >>> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Subject: LF: Fwd: Fw: Ofcom Update: Date Correction - Forthcoming GPS >>> jamming exercises >>> >>> >>> The Lat/Long converts to: >>> Loc. JO00FV41 >>> NGR TQ723122 >>> >>> Andy >>> www.g4jnt.com >>> >>> --- On Wed, 8/7/09, Updates wrote: >>> >>> From: Updates >>> Subject: Ofcom Update: Date Correction - Forthcoming GPS jamming >>> exercises >>> To: >>> Date: Wednesday, 8 July, 2009, 11:14 AM >>> >>> The MoD has informed Ofcom of the following GPS jamming exercise: >>> >>> Dates: 14th and 15th October 2009. >>> >>> Times: Maximum of two hours between the times of 08:00-12:00 and >>> 13:30–15:30 each day. >>> >>> Location: Within 1km of N50° 53.0’ and E000° 27.0’ (Bexhill, East >>> Sussex). >>> >>> Contact: Trial Manager (during the trial) on 07776 484226. >>> >>> >> ........................................................................... >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ---- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.9/2228 - Release Date: 07/09/09 >> 18:07:00 >> >> >> >> __________ NOD32 4231 (20090710) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.9/2228 - Release Date: 07/09/09 > 18:07:00 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.9/2228 - Release Date: 07/09/09 18:07:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (rly-dc10.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.39]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC063-b484a6ce4372b4; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:18:34 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC104-b484a6ce4372b4; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:18:17 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MVCxH-0006Fb-Ia for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 00:16:35 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MVCxG-0006FS-OP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 00:16:34 +0100 Received: from mbox2.netikka.net ([213.250.81.203]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MVCx8-0005Ld-Sh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 00:16:32 +0100 Received: from imp1.netikka.net (imp1.netikka.net [213.250.85.154]) by mbox2.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10FFE408017 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 02:16:18 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imp1.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C57EB495B91 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 02:16:18 +0300 (EEST) Received: from 558602b6.adsl.multi.fi (558602b6.adsl.multi.fi [85.134.2.182]) by imp.netikka.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 02:16:18 +0300 Message-ID: <1248650178.4a6ce3c2c0d7e@imp.netikka.net> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 02:16:18 +0300 From: Paul-Henrik To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <004e01ca0e08$4e2b7ac0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <004e01ca0e08$4e2b7ac0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 85.134.2.182 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: BEACON Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) EI0CF QTH EJM was audible for some minutes here on 501.05kHz ar= ound 22.45UTC, 01.45 local time. SK0RUD and DI2AM had already been audible for= an hour or so prior to this. The propagation peak for stations west of me still occurs very late but th= ings will start changing in a month or so. This was my first copy of an EI callsign on 501-504kHz. Best regards Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ Vaasa / KP03SD Quoting mal hamilton : > EI0CF QTH EJM in beacon mode. > Am I the only one receiving this beacon. What about the grabbers? > de g3kev > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (rly-mf02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.172]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMF082-9464a620a21147; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 13:45:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF024-9464a620a21147; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 13:45:08 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MSDx7-0000HN-RA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 18:44:05 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MSDx7-0000HE-FF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 18:44:05 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MSDwt-0001er-Iv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 18:43:52 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuoEAFamYUpcGucG/2dsb2JhbACCJS6CG4UCgxgGv2CEDAU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([92.26.231.6]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2009 18:43:39 +0100 Message-ID: <003901ca07cf$48d5b430$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 18:43:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 600m - 6m Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01CA07D7.A9F0BCD0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CA07D7.A9F0BCD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Several stns active on 600 m this morning, mostly southern and all the= other HF bands vy active as well as 6m. Lots of EU acty on 6, UA, HA,= DL, EA and CT as well as other countries.=20 Yet more CW practice at hi speed 30 - 40 wpm the norm on 6 to beat the= QSB during sporadic E openings, band condx change rapidly. 73 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CA07D7.A9F0BCD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Several stns active on 600 m this mor= ning, mostly=20 southern and all the other HF bands vy active as well as 6m. Lots of= EU acty on=20 6, UA, HA, DL, EA and CT as well as other countries.
Yet more CW practice at hi speed 30= - 40 wpm the=20 norm on 6 to beat the QSB during sporadic E openings, band condx chang= e=20 rapidly.
73 de mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CA07D7.A9F0BCD0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md06.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMD061-91a4a6cae3839b; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:28:17 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD082-91a4a6cae3839b; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:27:53 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MV9NI-0005f5-Ib for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:27:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MV9NI-0005ew-5Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:27:12 +0100 Received: from mail-yw0-f179.google.com ([209.85.211.179]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MV9Mw-0005rH-TK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:26:51 +0100 Received: by ywh9 with SMTP id 9so354441ywh.30 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:27:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=rDIfoIPC4ERv1Iz6STE6lt0jDHVIbx0CYJJpVMTxcGE=; b=Lrcz6VY+SqBN7Kc7Y/lcMYFxLC6Y1A1LWMUr1o2ir4RyJnxMfaKqpQ4R+BqHId5fqx i0yLnl0CugPdYgquEudjEvwXtBELDA4nccksZib4bYYW7QIEqmAdu9DO/Dd/B3zak6+m Oer+PEbrTDHRicD2JxXQ89PT2tXjdJbSASFyI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=TbL5mpDjAG1X8kEslzJU0sHDFRe2JosDvGchkZQh67Goaqtnzmh+/5VExr2XrcDpH3 G7KI9DxSWuN5a8dXpY+pQpFpbt+qYKm8lRxvXCeA+AWw5/qlTNDMHV+HQlO3Vmm054IQ QWw/TIxdZju4OGQNxSAS/PY4JCHX5yCsD/Ye0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.52.10 with SMTP id z10mr9565494ybz.216.1248636422171; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:27:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <57a24ca70907250812g7601e278w6ad9822384500e57@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:27:02 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70907261227k636ffb73gc8e4fd83873cd2b5@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 25-07.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d305.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Lubos, Sorry, no operation tonight, heavy thunderstorms expected. WD2XGJ QRT. --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2009/7/26 Lubos OK2BVG : > Hello Warren! > There were a lot of storms and lightnings in the last weeks. As I can se= e on > internet, the "storm situation" is good now, so I am going to start my= RX on > 137.777kHz. Will be your beacon ON this night? > > 73! > > Lubos, OK2BVG > > ****************************** > > >> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 11:12:58 -0400 >> From: wd2xgj@gmail.com >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 25-07.jpg >> >> Thank you Henny for the capture! >> -- >> 73 Warren K2ORS >> WD2XGJ >> WD2XSH/23 >> WE2XEB/2 >> WE2XGR/1 >> >> >> >> 2009/7/25 henny van elst : >> > Hello Warren,Lf >> > strong signal XGJ, >> > Henny pa3cpm >> > best 73s >> > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden >> > verzonden: >> > XGJ 25-07.jpg >> > >> > > ________________________________ > P=F8edve=EFte sv=F9j styl pomoc=ED zobrazen=ED obr=E1zk=F9 v Messenger.= Prohl=E9dn=ECte si je > v=B9echny. Klikni zde! --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da06.mx.aol.com (rly-da06.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.80]) by air-da06.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDA064-a714a5440b7152; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 02:46:19 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da06.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA061-a714a5440b7152; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 02:46:17 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MOQtt-0004wO-Et for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 07:45:05 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MOQts-0004wF-UO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 07:45:04 +0100 Received: from mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.38]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MOQto-0001IR-GM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 07:45:01 +0100 X-Trace: 230272255/mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/PIPEX/$PIPEX-ACCEPTED/pipex-temporary-group/79.65.164.139/None/m0afj@dsl.pipex.com X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.65.164.139 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: m0afj@dsl.pipex.com X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgICABrdU0pPQaSL/2dsb2JhbAAIz0GECAU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,367,1243810800"; d="scan'208";a="230272255" X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from 79-65-164-139.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO [10.0.0.4]) ([79.65.164.139]) by smtp.pipex.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 08 Jul 2009 07:44:57 +0100 Message-ID: <4A54406B.2050209@dsl.pipex.com> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 07:44:59 +0100 From: tim hague User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: 500kHz Last Night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Good signals from G3DXZ and G3XIZ last night on 500 kHz, DXZ 579 and XIZ 599 Cheers Tim M0AFJ IO92OB From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf09.mx.aol.com (rly-mf09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.179]) by air-mf02.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMF021-9814a6c09d7d0; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 03:47:00 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf09.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF097-9814a6c09d7d0; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 03:46:33 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MUyPX-0003x5-DD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 08:44:47 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MUyPW-0003ww-Lb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 08:44:46 +0100 Received: from psmtp04.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MUyPS-0008Dv-Rs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 08:44:44 +0100 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp04.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KND00DWHPICV8@psmtp04.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 09:44:37 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 09:44:16 +0200 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: XGJ 26-07.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_8NT0VLi7O8BO8I7shG5+Dg)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_8NT0VLi7O8BO8I7shG5+Dg) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_41NBA36D764KMgn66ivSoQ)" --Boundary_(ID_41NBA36D764KMgn66ivSoQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Warren,Lf capture xgj henny pa3cpm 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: XGJ 26-07.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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Hi Warren,Lf
capture xgj
henny pa3cpm
73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
XGJ 26-07.jpg

Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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with ESMTP id MAILINDA012-a584a6c1034221; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 04:13:52 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA028-a584a6c1034221; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 04:13:42 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MUyqT-00045G-0F for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 09:12:37 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MUyqS-000457-Kc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 09:12:36 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.244] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MUyq7-0000jM-TF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 09:12:16 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAK+sa0pZ8RET/2dsb2JhbACCU4IbhQaDJgbAWoQNBQ Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.241.17.19]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2009 09:12:07 +0100 Message-ID: <001401ca0dc8$c4c53800$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 09:12:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: EI0CF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01CA0DD1.24B184A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01CA0DD1.24B184A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hrd this past couple of days about S4 daytime on beacon mode. mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01CA0DD1.24B184A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hrd this past couple of days about S4= daytime on=20 beacon mode.
mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0011_01CA0DD1.24B184A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df03.mx.aol.com (rly-df03.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.16]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDF012-53f4a4f60b12e4; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:01:39 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF038-53f4a4f60b12e4; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:01:23 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MN5n8-0001SQ-0Q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:00:34 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MN5n7-0001SH-6V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:00:33 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MN5n3-0000tz-8e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:00:33 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmIFALf9TkpcGukt/2dsb2JhbACCJi6CFIR6gwMGvWyEEgU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([92.26.233.45]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 04 Jul 2009 15:00:07 +0100 Message-ID: <004801c9fcaf$bcec02f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:00:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Mc Coy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0045_01C9FCB8.1E79A380" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C9FCB8.1E79A380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tnx for the info about the OSC. I had this info already but was lookin= g for more precise info about ctl voltages to obtain certain frequenci= es. I am assuming the voltages marked on the box will give 10 Mhz output,= whereas altering the control voltage will change the freq. Maybe someone has used this unit and knows. 73 mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C9FCB8.1E79A380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tnx for the info about the OSC. I had= this info=20 already but was looking for more precise info about ctl voltages to ob= tain=20 certain frequencies.
I am assuming the voltages marked on= the box will=20 give 10 Mhz output, whereas altering the control voltage will change= the=20 freq.
Maybe someone has used this unit and= =20 knows.
73 mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C9FCB8.1E79A380-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df09.mx.aol.com (rly-df09.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.22]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDF081-5764a6609da128; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:33:13 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df09.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF093-5764a6609da128; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:33:01 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTK7c-0000Q7-HY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:31:28 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTK7c-0000Py-5z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:31:28 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.244] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTK7L-0000TL-IX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:31:12 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiQFAEOmZUpcHCup/2dsb2JhbACCJy2CG4UCgxkGjSa4Z4QMBQ Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([92.28.43.169]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2009 19:31:18 +0100 Message-ID: <005701ca0a31$6ffac0a0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:31:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: BUG KEY US ARMY Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0054_01CA0A39.D153E3B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01CA0A39.D153E3B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just found a bug key type signal corps U S ARMY key type J36 (1942) Po= ssibly someone across the pond has used this model.=20 Its a good age and excellent condx. I have about 20 different keys som= e out of RAF and USAF aircraft. mal/g3kev =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01CA0A39.D153E3B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just found a bug key type signal corp= s U S=20 ARMY key type J36 (1942) Possibly someone across the po= nd has=20 used this model.
Its a good age and excellent condx.&n= bsp;I have=20 about 20 different keys some out of RAF and=20 USAF aircraft.
mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0054_01CA0A39.D153E3B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb02.mx.aol.com (rly-mb02.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.155]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMB053-cee4a6c2f7f16b; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 06:27:38 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB022-cee4a6c2f7f16b; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 06:27:12 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MV0vB-0004PP-GH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 11:25:37 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MV0vB-0004PG-0P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 11:25:37 +0100 Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com ([205.188.144.208]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MV0uo-0001Do-Sb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 11:25:16 +0100 Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a6c2f01197; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 06:25:05 -0400 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.bde.4d5c1797 (37691) for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 06:24:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Silver (g229080058.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.229.80.58]) by cia-mb08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB087-933b4a6c2edce4; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 06:24:29 -0400 Message-ID: <1D496EEA3DC24D80B7BB41DE5FAB20EB@Silver> From: "Markus Vester" To: References: Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 10:24:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: XGJ July 14 - 26 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA0DDB.413D8470" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA0DDB.413D8470 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000A_01CA0DDB.413D8470" ------=_NextPart_001_000A_01CA0DDB.413D8470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Warren, here's an assembly of recent receptions of WD2XGJ in Nuernberg. Kind regards, Markus, DF6NM ------=_NextPart_001_000A_01CA0DDB.413D8470 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Warren,
 
here's an assembly of recent receptio= ns of WD2XGJ=20 in Nuernberg.
 
Kind regards,
Markus, DF6NM
 
 
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<57a24ca70907241213ua177757w6eb23a564dcfa4a0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 19:38:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Apollo contingency modes , beep beep ! 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I have it about 12 inches above ground orientated east/west & a short ground spike which has reduced the local noise. For a short time I am using this loop connected to the grabber receivers & as you will see it appears to perform quite well. It probably will not be as omni-directional as the Mini-Whip so as a further experiment I will rotate it to north/south direction tomorrow night & observe the difference. The article can be found on the UK500KHZ group files page at :- http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO. I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01CA0AF0.D6C0F880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi LF,

 

I have recently com= pleted the LF-MF band pass loop described by Jim M0BMU.

 

I have it about 12= inches above ground orientated east/west & a short ground spike which has reduced the= local noise.

 

For a short time I= am using this loop connected to the grabber receivers & as you will see it appears to= perform quite well. It probably will not be as omni-directional as the Mini-Wh= ip so as a further experiment I will rotate it to north/south direction tomorro= w night & observe the difference.

 

The article can be= found on the UK500KHZ group files page at :-

 

http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO.

 

 
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autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: [137 kHz] LF T/A WD2XGJ Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080305000008000703070803" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------080305000008000703070803 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Warren , LF , Good copy last night of your beacon ( see capture ) 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj --------------080305000008000703070803 Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="XGJ.jpg" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="XGJ.jpg" 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(Exim 4.14) id 1MTQ3X-00011u-4s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:51:39 +0100 Received: from que11.charter.net ([209.225.8.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTQ3G-0002jt-0D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:51:22 +0100 Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.10]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.01.00 201-2219-108-20080618) with ESMTP id <20090722004141.BZJO2647.mta31.charter.net@imp10> for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:41:41 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([66.189.74.84]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id Johg1c00P1p78xe05ohhZW; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:41:41 -0400 Message-ID: <4A666044.6090405@charter.net> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:41:40 -0400 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1MTPIE-2555Oq0@fwd08.t-online.de> In-Reply-To: <1MTPIE-2555Oq0@fwd08.t-online.de> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Loop (was Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Ha-Jo, That's one way to look at it, and a valid approach. But consider another example: Suppose you have a single-turn loop that has an (arbitrary) impedance of 0.1 +j10 ohms at a frequency of interest, and you desire to make it look like a 10-turn tuned loop. A 1:10 transformer will provide the same voltage step-up as a 10-turn loop, and will ideally step the impedance up by 10^2 = 100, giving you 10 +j1000 ohms. You would then have an option of series or parallel tuning the loop on either side of the transformer. The secondary side is much nicer for our use than the primary side. Parallel tuning would be a good choice into a hi-z input preamp. Series tuning would leave you with the 10 ohm resistance, which you could then step up to the characteristic impedance of your line, or leave at a lower value if BW were an issue. In the above case, I'd suggest a primary inductance on the transformer of 5X the magnitude of the loop impedance, but your 4X would probably do. Leakage reactance is pretty much inevitable, and will throw things off a bit. There's all sorts of ways to approach this, depending on your desire for tuning, etc. But I just wanted to point out that the much simpler single turn construction can work just as well as multi-turn. John, W1TAG hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de wrote: > Dear John, LF, > > I would like especially to comment on using a one winding loop combined > with a step-up transformer: From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md01.mx.aol.com (rly-md01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.139]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMD054-8e34a5cf5672ee; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:15:25 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD013-8e34a5cf5672ee; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:15:20 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MQpKG-0003zL-DK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:14:12 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MQpKF-0003zC-I9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:14:11 +0100 Received: from fish2.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.163]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MQpKB-0001Ii-TK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:14:10 +0100 Received: from weazle (pppoe.dyn-216.46.157.96.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.157.96]) by fish2.hurontel.on.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 5BB5F983442 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from weazle (pppoe.dyn-216.46.157.96.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.157.96]) by fish2.hurontel.on.ca with SMTP id 01rBcsUR46dsGEw3 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000701ca04c8$00eec9e0$0b01a8c0@weazle> From: "J. 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Weazle McCreath" To: References: <1EDB89E6D3E24E008B4897CFE896A09F@lindavideo> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:13:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Microwave oven transformers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Ken, LFers, I've used four M.O.T.'s immersed in oil to achieve close to 9 KV to power one of my Tesla coils. I had to be sure that the phasing of the windings was right so that they added up. Of course the two on the ends where operating with their cores at 2 K.V., hence the need for the oil bath. In your case, connect the two cores together and possibly to earth, and then measure the voltage between the two high voltage leads to determine the correct phasing for the primaries. Regarding the magnetic shunts, they are easily removed with a drift punch and a few gentle hammer taps. DON'T DING THE WINDINGS! Depending on your actual usage, the type of filter you use after the rectifiers will help with the regulation. You can use a choke input configuration as shown in any ARRL Handbook. Good luck! 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL Solar and wind powered Lowfer " EAR" 188.830 EN93dr http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc11.mx.aol.com (rly-mc11.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.95]) by air-mc07.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMC071-da54a65c8e5380; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:56:06 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc11.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC115-da54a65c8e5380; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:55:51 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTFo7-0007qX-2b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:55:03 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTFo6-0007qO-H3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:55:02 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.53]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTFnp-0006UR-Bz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:54:46 +0100 X-Trace: 233149172/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.72.80/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.72.80 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArMEABxlZUpYakhQ/2dsb2JhbACCKSsjNVqHAoUewTEJhAMF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,240,1246834800"; d="scan'208,217";a="233149172" Received: from 88-106-72-80.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.72.80]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 21 Jul 2009 14:54:56 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <000001ca0922$9cf3c580$6401a8c0@asus> <8CBD73EF9671F8C-1424-8F46@webmail-dh33.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:54:54 +0100 Message-ID: <002801ca0a0a$d38bb6a0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <8CBD73EF9671F8C-1424-8F46@webmail-dh33.sysops.aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcoJKEEo2deVZa4CQ/eXeGHHITBdcgA4jZSA X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD=0.452,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: 504khz harmonic. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01CA0A13.35501EA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01CA0A13.35501EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Marcus, LF, =20 >You wrote :- > Did you incidentally listen to the modulation on the fundamental? =20 Yes I did & I cannot detect any difference from the pattern being ther= e or not. =20 Cheers, =20 Gary =96 G4WGT. _____ =20 From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Markus Vester Sent: 20 July 2009 11:50 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 504khz harmonic. =20 Hi Gary, =20 looks like some cool Techno bass track on AM :-) Did you incidentally= listen to the modulation on the fundamental? =20 73, Markus DF6NM -----Urspr=FCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Gary - G4WGT An: LF -RSGB LF Group Verschickt: Mo., 20. 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------=_NextPart_000_0029_01CA0A13.35501EA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db02.mx.aol.com (rly-db02.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.77]) by air-db10.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDB104-aaf4a6746d7359; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:06:22 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB025-aaf4a6746d7359; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:05:30 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTfEs-0002kJ-H6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:04:22 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTfEr-0002kA-Si for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:04:21 +0100 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTfEX-0001Xc-9P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:04:04 +0100 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20E2D2ACC3F for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:04:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps03.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.132] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.53L) with ESMTP id XID313NgVReJ4653X01; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:04:09 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.132 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps03.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID313NgVReJ4653X01 Received: from [127.0.0.1] [151.47.221.76] by cmsapps03.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 408NgVReg1840M39; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:04:06 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.221.76 AUTH dibene@usa.net [127.0.0.1] Message-ID: <4A674683.1000301@usa.net> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 19:04:03 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1MTPIE-2555Oq0@fwd08.t-online.de> In-Reply-To: <1MTPIE-2555Oq0@fwd08.t-online.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090722-0, 07/22/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Z-USANET-MsgId: XID408NgVReH1840X39 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_08=2.435,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Loop (was Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?) Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------050604030701030706090009" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_04, HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_04,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_ONLY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------050604030701030706090009 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 
I would like especially to comment on using a one 
winding loop combined with a step-up transformer:
I am interested in knowing opinions about using the loop itself as
a primary of the transformer, as in this picture (heavily compressed
to stay into the size limits). Here it is a three-turn loop, but it could
be a single turn one, as discussed.

73  Alberto  I2PHD


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<57a24ca70907210620v6f208cf2t898ce58cab2e9776@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Loop (was Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d258.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Laurence, What do you think is the upper power limit for a loop using coaxial cable as a conductor? I've run about 1.3 kW into my loop made up of one turn RG-11 and one turn RG-214 (both turns parallel as in your case). Once one of the coax conductors came into contact with wet leaves near the feed point and began to burn through the insulation and the leaves - the first indication was erratic aerial currrent. I'm thinking of running two Deccas into a combiner but not sure if the loop insulation is sufficient. --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/ On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Laurence BY3A-KL1X China wrote: > Jeff - The=A0"turns" of the mains WD2XDW loop were just distanced parall= el > loops running in roughly the same plane to reduce the RF copper losses= and > open up the bandwidth a bit=A0- . I did try a couple of "turns" but neve= r > managed to get the ommppff field. Interesting given the fact that some > people=A0use 2 turns on their K9AY's successfully - > > All the loops ends up welded together=A0 on lugs and attached to the tun= er. > Ive just overhauled the tuner ready to put on line for WE2XPQ but it wil= l be > running lower power for a while as I dont want to start a forest fire in > Alaska! > > Back home in KL7 on August 14th again...just need time... > > laurence > BY3A-KL1X Tanggu China 34degC > We2XPQ/ x Wd2XDW Wasilla AK > > > =A0Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? > > > Hello Markus and Rick! > > I have only just acquainted myself with your messages. > (Just going out from hospital, big blood pressure problem...) > Thanks a lot for precious information, of what make fun still! > I recovered some ferrites N87 types which should work in 137 KHZ. > Another subject interests me, it is the possibility of transmitting with= a > big spool of several turns (a bit as WD2XDW). But=A0EIRP is much weaker= than > with a vertical aerial, then it is necessary to "push more"=A0 in power! > > Thanks in advance! > > 73: Jeff / F6CWN > > > > ________________________________ > Windows Live=99 SkyDrive=99: Store, access, and share your photos. See= how. 1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me04.mx.aol.com (rly-me04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.38]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINME034-9b24a4fa76522; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:03:16 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME046-9b24a4fa76522; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:03:05 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MNAVI-0001pq-4m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:02:28 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MNAVH-0001ph-Ce for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:02:27 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-4-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.55]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MNAVF-0003h1-Hs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:02:27 +0100 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deerhound.twatt.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67DDB3B37E for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:57:27 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A4A9857.2060604@sighthound.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:57:27 +0000 From: John P-G User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 503.7kHz - its back Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Andy Talbot wrote: > My beacon on 503.7kHz is back on. 04/19/34/49 minutes past the hour > ~+25dBm EIRP. Callsign, power steps, full power carrier 25 - 30 > seconds then PSK31 from :30s > > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > Andy, Looked good last night - I have a grabber running constantly but not for general consumption - and tonight at 22:49 UTC the trace was very good. The QRN has died down a touch. Attached is the capture showing the 22:49 transmission. I was calling CQ (in vain) at 22:47/8 Also visible are SK6RUD on 500.0kHz, very faintly EI0CF (signing EI0CF MMM - a tiny antenna intended for /MM operation in a small motorboat) on 501.05 (the green marker), my TV set produces the line at 501.75 and the obvious RTE 2nd harmonic at 504 Cheers, John GM4SLV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc05.mx.aol.com (rly-mc05.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.89]) by air-mc05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMC051-d754a644c342e9; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:52:00 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc05.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC055-d754a644c342e9; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:51:35 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MSqRy-0004DM-ML for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:50:30 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MSqRx-0004DD-Th for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:50:29 +0100 Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com ([64.12.78.142]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MSqRt-0000Ti-RQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:50:27 +0100 Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n6KAoAGG009470 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:50:10 -0400 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.ce5.5538873f (37140) for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-md02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-md02.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.155]) by cia-ma03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA032-d4314a644bdd286; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:50:05 -0400 Received: from webmail-dh33 (webmail-dh33.sim.aol.com [205.188.170.148]) by smtprly-md02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMD028-d4314a644bdd286; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:50:05 -0400 References: <000001ca0922$9cf3c580$6401a8c0@asus> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:50:05 -0400 In-Reply-To: <000001ca0922$9cf3c580$6401a8c0@asus> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Markus Vester X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Webmail 43792-STANDARD Received: from 217.194.34.103 by webmail-dh33.sysops.aol.com (205.188.170.148) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:50:04 -0400 Message-Id: <8CBD73EF9671F8C-1424-8F46@webmail-dh33.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 504khz harmonic. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CBD73EF9888078_1424_123C3_webmail-dh33.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ----------MB_8CBD73EF9888078_1424_123C3_webmail-dh33.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Gary, looks like some cool Techno bass track=C2=A0on AM :-) Did you incidentally= listen to the=C2=A0modulation on the fundamental? 73, Markus DF6NM -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Gary - G4WGT An: LF -RSGB LF Group Verschickt: Mo., 20. Jul. 2009, 12:12 Thema: LF: 504khz harmonic. Hi All, =C2=A0 Occasionally recently I have been seeing strange patterns around the harmo= nic line received on my SpecLab grabbers on 504kHz from the broadcast stat= ion at 252kHz. =C2=A0 The patterns are not just seen using the Softrock SDR Rx but also with my= JRC NRD-345, the only common device is the Mini-Whip active antenna. =C2=A0 I seem to remember some while ago comments on this LF Forum regarding that= station carrying out some experiments or tests involving digital data or= something similar. =C2=A0 I wonder if this is an effect of those tests as there were concerns that= it may cause interference on the 500kHz amateur band. =C2=A0 Capture attached. =C2=A0 73, =C2=A0 Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter ________________________________________________________________________ AOL eMail auf Ihrem Handy! 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Hi Gary,
 
looks like some cool Techno bass track on AM :-) Did you inciden= tally listen to the modulation on the fundamental?
 
73, Markus DF6NM


-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
An: LF -RSGB LF Group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Mo., 20. Jul. 2009, 12:12
Thema: LF: 504khz harmonic.

Graham, LF

 

GB4FPR big signal tonight, see attachment.

 

73

 

Gary – G4WGT.

 

From:= owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] On Behalf Of Graham
Sent: 04 July 2009 19:3= 5
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: GB4FPR 502= .00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS=

 

 GB4FPR  502.00 KHZ TONIGHT&n= bsp; 4 july ROUND 1930  ONWARDS

 

Operating on 502.00  khz cw ,

 

RX 502 kx +/-  also rx on  35= 33 / 7033  cw -  cross band 

 

Possibly operating till  round&nbs= p; 2400 hrs

 

 

Reports welcome

 

Tnx- Graham

 

 

 

 

 

 =

Hi All,
 
Occasionally recently= I have been seeing strange patterns around the harmonic line received on= my SpecLab grabbers on 504kHz from the broadcast station at 252kHz.
 
The patterns are not ju= st seen using the Softrock SDR Rx but also with my JRC NRD-345, the only= common device is the Mini-Whip active antenna.
 
I seem to remember some= while ago comments on this LF Forum regarding that station carrying out= some experiments or tests involving digital data or something similar.
 
I wonder if this= is an effect of those tests as there were concerns that it may cause inte= rference on the 500kHz amateur band.
 
Capture attached.
 
73,
 
Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO.
 
 
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Click here! http://tagline.hushmail.com/fc/BLSrjkqa2NcAv3tcvjUWJnv5y0slGNEknhIqr08AIcV2c5jo2WCFvbuEXhG/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf01.mx.aol.com (rly-mf01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.171]) by air-mf03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMF034-93f4a68f4f9316; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:41:10 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF015-93f4a68f4f9316; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:40:43 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MU7t1-0006Ke-O1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:39:43 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MU7t1-0006KV-3k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:39:43 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.190] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MU7si-00074F-BP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:39:24 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3604.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9A7007000084 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 01:39:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.11.228]) by mwinf3604.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 5C9697000082 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 01:39:32 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090723233932379.5C9697000082@mwinf3604.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <49FC75F6A7D2439197581F10016D72AE@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <1MTixd-0cGXyK0@fwd00.t-online.de> <4A687388.4050801@usa.net> <1MU4lz-1dRfeq0@fwd10.t-online.de> <434E6E4F7AC64D8B995F684D832555DA@JimPC> In-Reply-To: <434E6E4F7AC64D8B995F684D832555DA@JimPC> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:39:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Loop discussion Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Jim, One disadvantage of a big loop is the (dc) voltage it collects, the 600 ft delta at gb4fpr has a habit of producing quite big arcs' if its not earthed ... and not just a small one at that!!. even on a fine sunny day ..it may be simply wind-age or perhaps ozone from the sea, may also account for the very high noise level as well ..? Being surrounded by salt water seems to be a case of 'all that glitters in not gold' 73 - G .. Ps - Interesting topic .. may solve the 'problem' -------------------------------------------------- From: "James Moritz" Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 12:23 AM To: Subject: Re: LF: Loop discussion > > Dear Ha-Jo, LF Group, > > The beauty of a large wire loop of several m^2 is that a high signal level > is produced, making tuning and matching non-critical, and so it is a very > simple and versatile antenna which works well over a wide frequency range. > My version of an outdoor wire loop tunable in the shack was the "Lazy > loop" - see http://www.wireless.org.uk/lazy.htm > > When you are trying to make a much smaller loop with essentially the same > performance, design is more critical due to the lower signal power > available > from the loop, so the technical details need to be studied, and the > solution > has to be more closely defined. But the end result is still simple - a > single turn loop, a transformer, a preamp. In the case of the bandpass > loops, a few inductors and capacitors do impedance matching and define the > passband. It is worth going to this trouble, because a compact, portable, > easily rotated loop that does the same job as a much bigger antenna is a > useful thing to have. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 9:20 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Loop discussion > > >> Dear James and Alberto, >> >> I must confess that my considerations were much simpler. I wanted to >> find a solution for an outside wire (normal litz wire for electric home >> wiring) loop for broadband reception and to transfer its received energy >> into the shack via a cable. Especially at VLF to MF cable losses are >> rather low. Furthermore I wanted to locate all electronic equipment in >> the shack only, no remote controls or similars. My solution is simple >> and is working according to my expectations. >> >> 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.26/2257 - Release Date: 07/23/09 > 18:00:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (rly-dg03.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.87]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDG053-5b24a5ef12c1b0; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 05:22:27 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG033-5b24a5ef12c1b0; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 05:21:49 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MRN8o-0003g0-0K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:20:38 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MRN8n-0003fr-Kg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 07-16-2009..info's f8boj Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060203040303090509060302" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------060203040303090509060302 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Claude , Henny , Warren , Yes the propagation is very good on 2200 in this July (it is in general=20 the worst month with August) 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj Claude Berthebaud a =E9crit : > 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Hi LF,
traces 137khz o2:30 utc
henny pa3cpm
73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
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(VPS 090714-0, 14/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Strong signal on 137775 ish Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Good evening John and the group I test qrss 30 and qrss 60 thank you for the proper control .. good evening Claude F8boj ========= ----- Original Message ----- From: "John RABSON" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 5:29 PM Subject: LF: Strong signal on 137775 ish Long dashes 40dB over QRN at 1525z. There was something similar on about this frequency at 0155z. It seemed to be modulated but I couldn't decode it. John F5VLF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db07.mx.aol.com (rly-db07.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.82]) by air-db06.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDB064-ad94a65e237258; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:43:58 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB077-ad94a65e237258; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:43:52 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTHUb-0008MV-Ea for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:43:01 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTHUa-0008MM-KG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:43:00 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.177]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTHUU-00044L-RP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:42:57 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-177-30-45.range86-177.btcentralplus.com [86.177.30.45]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKxQS-1MTHUN1x7j-000on1; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:42:49 +0200 From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:42:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4A65E1F4.24916.2384DF6@dave.davesergeant.com> In-reply-to: <20090721111004.NESLM.2165994.root@mp07> References: <57a24ca70907210620v6f208cf2t898ce58cab2e9776@mail.gmail.com>, <20090721111004.NESLM.2165994.root@mp07> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.51) Content-description: Mail message body X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19yqcJd8e2cO0C7iEi015A+nCbu16vtYQH+Bxa WMpiC54cyC1OTE36WW8e3JL+uwl7Dt3cTJOeNqp0d6SPJJQDTY 9UO+dbKSM5NuVSox5m079Sza8VZ3gYzmOxH0kaGYlY= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Loop (was Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On 21 Jul 2009 at 11:10, w1tag@charter.net wrote: > Just to add a little more information on LF transmitting loops: And don't forget all the stuff on my website from the days when I had a 136kHz loop - see link in signature. Those pages are incredibly dated now, not the nice appearance of the rest of my site, but it seems people still look at them, get loads of hits in my web logs so guess they are well embedded in Google. My loop was never that successful, but there again I am in a difficult QTH and only ran modest power (40W or so input). At least it gave me one of the RSGB '136kHz Awards' for working 5 countries. 73 Dave G3YMC http://www.davesergeant.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de07.mx.aol.com (rly-de07.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.143]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDE023-4ed4a4f4178342; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 07:48:30 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE076-4ed4a4f4178342; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 07:48:11 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MN3i2-0000wq-Sb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:47:10 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MN3i0-0000wh-6h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:47:08 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MN3hy-00086u-8k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:47:08 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlMFAOfcTkpOlqHl/2dsb2JhbACCJy2CFIR6gwMGvWeEEgU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.161.229]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 04 Jul 2009 12:42:57 +0100 Message-ID: <001401c9fc9c$938f2760$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:42:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: LF: Mc Coy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C9FCA4.F1BD9760" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C9FCA4.F1BD9760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all Does anyone have data for Mc Coy electronics XTAL OSCILLATOR MC137X7-0= 01W 10.000 MHz SN72758-126 This is a module and requires +5v, +15v sealed unit but has an adjuste= r and I expect the osc can be shifted slightly, but enough to be usefu= l for 500 Khz divided down. 73 mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C9FCA4.F1BD9760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all
Does anyone have data for Mc Coy elec= tronics XTAL=20 OSCILLATOR MC137X7-001W 10.000 MHz
SN72758-126
This is a module and requires +5v, +1= 5v sealed unit=20 but has an adjuster and I expect the osc can be shifted slightly, but= enough to=20 be useful for 500 Khz divided down.
73 mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C9FCA4.F1BD9760-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma03.mx.aol.com (rly-ma03.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.47]) by air-ma09.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMA094-89a4a4fe46a24b; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 19:23:32 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA034-89a4a4fe46a24b; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 19:23:24 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MNEZE-0002MI-TC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:22:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MNEZE-0002M9-FE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:22:48 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MNEZC-0001hI-RP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:22:47 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3527.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 091501C00083 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 01:22:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.36.131]) by mwinf3527.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id BC3641C00082 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 01:22:41 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090704232241771.BC3641C00082@mwinf3527.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <908B19DF06BE4ECEB3A61470A89BEFA8@Black> <20090703100648.865C531E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <20090703113546.640D731E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be>,<09DF43BF4A974C1D80DF9BC90E77B1E3@AGB> In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 00:22:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: RE: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01C9FD06.AC72B700" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C9FD06.AC72B700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Rik Did you call us ?=20 73 Graham=20 From: Rik Strobbe=20 Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:50 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: RE: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS Good 559 copy at 21:40 UTC EI0CF also 559 beaconing at the bottom end 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org] namens Graham [g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk] Verzonden: zaterdag 4 juli 2009 20:34 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT 4 july ROUND 1930 ONWARDS Operating on 502.00 khz cw ,=20 RX 502 kx +/- also rx on 3533 / 7033 cw - cross band =20 Possibly operating till round 2400 hrs=20 qsl GB4FPR@HOTMAIL.CO.UK=20 Reports welcome=20 Tnx- Graham=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.3/2216 - Release Date: 07/03= /09 05:53:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C9FD06.AC72B700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Rik
 
Did you call us ?
 
73 Graham

Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:50 PM
Subject: LF: RE: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930=20 ONWARDS

Good 559= copy at 21:40=20 UTC
EI0CF also 559 beaconing= at the bottom=20 end
 
73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T=
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Graham=20 [g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk]
Verzonden: zaterdag 4 juli 2009=20 20:34
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp:=20 LF: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS

 GB4FPR  502.00 KHZ TONIGHT=   4 july=20 ROUND 1930  ONWARDS
 
Operating on 502.00  khz cw ,
 
RX 502 kx +/-  also rx on = 3533 /=20 7033  cw -  cross band 
 
Possibly operating till  round&n= bsp; 2400 hrs=20
 
 
Reports welcome
 
Tnx- Graham
 
 
 
 

 <= /DIV>


No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG= -=20 www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.3/2216 - Rel= ease Date:=20 07/03/09 05:53:00
------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C9FD06.AC72B700-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (rly-dc06.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.35]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC043-b294a5e11261e9; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:26:23 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC065-b294a5e11261e9; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:25:59 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MR8Dx-0007rm-9Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:24:57 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MR8Dw-0007rd-Ry for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:24:56 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MR8Dl-0006eg-Cu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:24:46 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjIFAKStXUpZ8+kH/2dsb2JhbACCJy2CG4gOBsY9hAkF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.243.233.7]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 18:24:28 +0100 Message-ID: <00ad01ca0571$1b5132b0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <001001ca046e$24db0e90$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <005401ca051d$61bbd290$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:24:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: TM R836 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CA0579.7C928800" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CA0579.7C928800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MF This is a hard RX to get info about. Hi spec rx with 14 tubes and 2 RF= stages. Searching on the web indicates pages that are not available. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 8:25 AM Subject: LF: Re: TM R836 Installed in C130 aircraft, if you happen to own one. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:30 AM Subject: LF: TM R836 TM or cct details for ARC R836/ARN, LF DF receiver 190 - 1750 khz= needed if anyone can help. It looks like it could be useful for 500= khzx. 73 de mal/g3kev ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.13/2237 - Release Date:= 07/14/09 05:56:00 ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.14/2238 - Release Date: 07= /14/09 18:03:00 ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CA0579.7C928800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MF
This is a hard RX to get info about.= Hi spec rx=20 with 14 tubes and 2 RF stages.
Searching on the web indicates pages= that are not=20 available.
mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 200= 9 8:25=20 AM
Subject: LF: Re: TM R836

Installed in C130 aircraft, if you= happen to own=20 one.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 200= 9 11:30=20 AM
Subject: LF: TM R836

TM or cct details for ARC R836/AR= N, LF DF=20 receiver 190 - 1750 khz needed if anyone can help. It looks like= it could be=20 useful for 500 khzx.
73 de mal/g3kev
 


No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by= AVG - www.avg.com
Versio= n: 8.5.375 / Virus=20 Database: 270.13.13/2237 - Release Date: 07/14/09 05:56:00


No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AV= G -=20 www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.14/2238 -= Release=20 Date: 07/14/09 18:03:00
------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CA0579.7C928800-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (rly-dc04.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.33]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC084-b184a64c2604f; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:15:56 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC044-b184a64c2604f; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:15:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MSyJW-0005NT-I4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:14:18 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MSyJW-0005NK-3e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:14:18 +0100 Received: from smtp27.orange.fr ([80.12.242.96]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MSyJS-0004EL-4U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:14:16 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf2716.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 99AE41C0016D for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:14:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf2716.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8AED71C000E9 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:14:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from acer9412 (ARouen-256-1-75-250.w90-22.abo.wanadoo.fr [90.22.2.250]) by mwinf2716.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 416DD1C0018F for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:14:06 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090720191406268.416DD1C0018F@mwinf2716.orange.fr Message-ID: From: "F6CWN" To: References: <12821.82.161.81.65.1248110576.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:14:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: LF: Re: IC7200 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Good night Roelof, If I did not make a mistake, there is a message as you straight. 73: Jeff F6CWN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roelof Bakker" To: Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 5:22 PM Subject: LF: IC7200 > > Hello all, > > I am looking for information on the LF receiver performance of the new > ICOM IC7200 transceiver. There seems to be a review in the June issue of > QST. > I don't have direct access to QST. Is there someone who has access to QST > and can tell me if anything has been said about receiver sensitivity below > 500 kHz? > > Even better is there someone on this list with first hands experience? > > Thank you in advance. > > Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db01.mx.aol.com (rly-db01.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.76]) by air-db05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDB051-aa44a5b02f8387; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 05:48:59 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB012-aa44a5b02f8387; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 05:48:43 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MQI83-0007Xa-Vd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:47:23 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MQI83-0007XR-Hb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:47:23 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-4-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.55]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MQI7u-0004jd-1h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:47:14 +0100 X-Trace: 225314753/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.66.227/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.66.227 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvYEAHKfWkpYakLj/2dsb2JhbACCKStYh1eFBoYwtCIJhAAF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,389,1243810800"; d="jpg'145?scan'145,208,217,145";a="225314753" Received: from 88-106-66-227.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.66.227]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 13 Jul 2009 10:47:16 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF -RSGB LF Group" Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:47:22 +0100 Message-ID: <005901ca039e$ec39af80$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcoDnurw1XkAfq8ZTsGb1lPZYs0IgQ== X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: UNID 500kHz Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005A_01CA03A7.4DFE1780" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01CA03A7.4DFE1780 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_005B_01CA03A7.4DFE1780" ------=_NextPart_001_005B_01CA03A7.4DFE1780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi LF, Looking at my overnight grabber saves I have this capture of a signal just a little lower that SK6RUD at about 499.900kHz. I don't recall seeing it before, can anyone ID it please. It looks to have been audible but I was not around at that time. I have a capture of a similar signal from late December 2008, I think that was sending "HNY" or similar. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO. ------=_NextPart_001_005B_01CA03A7.4DFE1780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi LF,

 

Looking at my overn= ight grabber saves I have this capture of a signal just a little lower that SK6RUD at about 499.900kHz. I don’t recall seeing it before, can anyone ID it pl= ease.

 

It looks to have be= en audible but I was not around at that time.

 

I have a capture of= a similar signal from late December 2008, I think that was sending “HNY” or simi= lar.

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO.

 

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G2p3cLQVM1miwaISJNkO6_jz6c1Hnh_2GRKegbO4Yl_Eh6_9LyRVFWcIodBbP5xiPAwhdFQJZZFjmT9aWqgxwAOWzVK6xcRJA_GPfNGp0WDi6bkoq.8gOnJXiFxNtf52QDBs.BFjt3VILGl69JP7FQslT.phT71lUtLcRbniG85IMzjvSK6rYQjfW1uKw7PmTy3tuvlD60d0VsjWPiL7O5njgKz1EtdgCbNGvk8b16tXSlFcwD7xm58d_GYPdpKC1gIIHj1Wm2Z58d34L_fMJKexykoWqW_28JpuVhdJ.bh9B.izDmspDSP5ujxdviwG0tLgD3D2ro4Fr_UuQ6lW9tv_dGL4pIGIu9kI04FD6.h.INdwzg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <619D59A9B6FC4D4ABDD81D32FBB2A180@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 20:32:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: Fw: [SEML] Unusually Deep Solar Minimum (aka A Tale of Two Suns) Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-7"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi everyone, I thought this may be of interest, it came from one of my Total Solar Eclipse sites. 73 Ken M0KHW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Ayiomamitis" To: "Solar Eclipse Mailing List" Cc: "Jay Pasachoff" Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 3:09 PM Subject: [SEML] Unusually Deep Solar Minimum (aka A Tale of Two Suns) > Dear group, > > Who stole the sunspots?! Where have they gone?! > > As noted by Dr Phillips (SpaceWeather), "As of March 31st, there were no > sunspots on 78 of the year's 90 days (87%)." (see > http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009/01apr_deepsolarminimum.htm?list5796 ) > and this a continuation of 2008 where 266 days were characterized without > any sunspot activity (same reference). > > For an interesting collage of two images spaced precisely four years apart > and which is a perfect representation of what is happening (actually NOT > happening) with Sol at this moment, I kindly direct you to > http://www.perseus.gr/Astro-Solar-Scenes-Deep-Minimum-2005-2009.htm . More > specifically, one of the two component images in the collage is from July > 5th, 2005 and which documents the sample rich activity which is > characteristic of the sun during non-minimum periods. The second component > image in the collage is from July 5th, 2009 and is most characteristic of > the blank sun which has become the norm and status quo. Please remember to > click on the hyperlinked image which really brings the message forth in a > higher analysis rendition of the same result. > > Some research suggests this lack of sunspot activity impacts the levels of > UV in our atmosphere and which in turn impact the development of clouds. > Certainly winters have been unusually severe and it seems each and every > winter manages to find a way to be worse than the previous one. > > Let's hope for at least sunspot grouping on July 22nd so that we can focus > our prized toys directed at the sun ... along with good weather and great > transparency! > > Anthony. > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SEML/ > > <*> Your email settings: > Individual Email | Traditional > > <*> To change settings online go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SEML/join > (Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da05.mx.aol.com (rly-da05.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.79]) by air-da06.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDA062-a6c4a6438e0156; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 05:29:23 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da05.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA054-a6c4a6438e0156; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 05:29:08 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MSp9i-0003ok-Po for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:27:34 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MSp9i-0003ob-0w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:27:34 +0100 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MSp9e-0008QU-6I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:27:32 +0100 Received: (qmail 2119 invoked by uid 507); 20 Jul 2009 11:27:12 +0200 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2009 11:27:12 +0200 Message-ID: <200907201127160920.105049C2@smtp2.numeo.fr> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:27:16 +0200 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: OT: Racal SA33 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I have a Racal SA33 frequency converter, which uses RA 17 technology to su= btract 1 to 29 MHz from the input frequency for feeding to a frequency cou= nter. It seems to have been designed in the era when most frequency count= ers did not go above 1 MHz. It has been fitted with an internal 1 MHz ref= erence. It has not been used for more than 30 years, so it may be of more interest= to a collector. Nevertheless, if anyone is interested will they please= let me know. The equipment is at present at my house in Suffolk. I have a couple of pages of circuitry. 73 John F5VLF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc12.mx.aol.com (rly-mc12.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.96]) by air-mc03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMC031-db04a60648c236; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:46:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc12.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC128-db04a60648c236; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:46:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MRlra-0001g8-In for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:44:30 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MRlrZ-0001fz-Q6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:44:29 +0100 Received: from psmtp31.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.33]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MRlrW-0002KC-Hu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:44:28 +0100 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp31.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KMX00BELCLDV2@psmtp31.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:44:01 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:43:57 +0200 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: xgj 17-07.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Q/oKSE/RQb2GShdiFgoAMw)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_Q/oKSE/RQb2GShdiFgoAMw) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_SmbonJlYCP6BgpdFYrZRAQ)" --Boundary_(ID_SmbonJlYCP6BgpdFYrZRAQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Warren,Lf traces XGJ Henny pa3cpm 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: xgj 17-07.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTcEj-00044r-L7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:52:03 +0100 Received: from fwd10.aul.t-online.de by mailout11.t-online.de with smtp id 1MTcEi-0000Ri-03; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 15:52:00 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.22] (ThwFagZerh2W+V0ZX69l4bJjcxkCttFyZU+fx1PIEoahFktkoKSFxEnZxA3uN1iwd+@[93.196.35.86]) by fwd10.t-online.de with esmtp id 1MTcEO-1SeuiO0; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 15:51:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de To: X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 6.08.0003 Date: 22 Jul 2009 13:51 GMT Message-ID: <1MTcEO-1SeuiO0@fwd10.t-online.de> X-ID: ThwFagZerh2W+V0ZX69l4bJjcxkCttFyZU+fx1PIEoahFktkoKSFxEnZxA3uN1iwd+ X-TOI-MSGID: 39bb9fed-f2e7-4fce-a1ca-0f2a1d8e2572 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Loop (was Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear John, I am sorry, but I do not see your problems. I do NOT tune my loop. The loop is feeding a transformer, its secondary is connected to a cable into the shack to the receiver or the preselector. The inductivity of my loop is 30uH; forming an triangle with lengths of 2 m, 7,5m and 7,5 m, the 2 m vertically near the house, the other end is fastened to a tree. Minimum height of the loop is about 2,5 meters, just that people can walk below. That is all. I am pleased with this design for receiving and do not see any needs for improvements. For comparison I have set up a two turn triangle loop made of twin-lead mains cable, each side 1,80 m in length, which also gave an inductivty of about 30uH, to fit to the same transformer. As its area was only 1/4 of the larger loop I have not been surprised to see that the received VLF to MF signals were two S-units down, compared to the larger loop. I can also listen on VLF to MF using either a passive T-antenna via a 9:1 unun or an active antenna and make comparisons. As most of VLF to MF activity here in Europe originates north of my QTH I am using the untuned loop pointing to the north in most cases. I should add that I am living in a rural area. In spite of this the T-antenna downlead had to be placed at least 5 meters from the house, for not picking up noise from the mains. The unun is placed below the downlead and grounded there, and a cable is going into the shack. 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "John Andrews" schrieb: > Ha-Jo, > > That's one way to look at it, and a valid approach. But consider another > example: > > Suppose you have a single-turn loop that has an (arbitrary) impedance of > 0.1 +j10 ohms at a frequency of interest, and you desire to make it look > like a 10-turn tuned loop. A 1:10 transformer will provide the same > voltage step-up as a 10-turn loop, and will ideally step the impedance > up by 10^2 = 100, giving you 10 +j1000 ohms. You would then have an > option of series or parallel tuning the loop on either side of the > transformer. The secondary side is much nicer for our use than the > primary side. Parallel tuning would be a good choice into a hi-z input > preamp. Series tuning would leave you with the 10 ohm resistance, which > you could then step up to the characteristic impedance of your line, or > leave at a lower value if BW were an issue. > > In the above case, I'd suggest a primary inductance on the transformer > of 5X the magnitude of the loop impedance, but your 4X would probably > do. Leakage reactance is pretty much inevitable, and will throw things > off a bit. > > There's all sorts of ways to approach this, depending on your desire for > tuning, etc. But I just wanted to point out that the much simpler single > turn construction can work just as well as multi-turn. > > John, W1TAG > > > hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de wrote: > > Dear John, LF, > > > > I would like especially to comment on using a one winding loop combined > > with a step-up transformer: > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf08.mx.aol.com (rly-mf08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.178]) by air-mf04.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMF041-97a4a4dd8b376; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 06:09:14 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF088-97a4a4dd8b376; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 06:08:56 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MMffZ-0001WD-Qp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:07:01 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MMffZ-0001W4-3j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:07:01 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MMffX-0004LJ-Ep for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:07:01 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BBFF51C00E for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 12:06:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 865C531E702 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 12:06:48 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:07:06 +0200 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <908B19DF06BE4ECEB3A61470A89BEFA8@Black> References: <908B19DF06BE4ECEB3A61470A89BEFA8@Black> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090703100648.865C531E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_11861972==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_11861972==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Jeff, Marcus, STGW30NC60WD has a turnoff delay of 120ns. Turn on delay and rise / fall times are better than 30ns. That should be good enough for 137kHz, maybe even for 500kHz. It further has a max. Collector-Emitter Voltage of 600V, max. Collector Current of 60A (200A pulsed), max.. dissipation of 200W and a saturation voltage of 2V (@20A). Looks like a good "workhorse" for those who want to experiment with IGBT's. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 22:05 26/06/2009, you wrote: >Dear Jeff, > >havn't actually tried it myself on 137 kHz. But from past experience >I'd say that while IGBTs may have less DC loss, they are much slower >(especially during turnoff). They can be used as effient switches at >some tens of kHz, whereas MOSFETs will easily go up to several MHz. > >Kind regards, >Markus, DF6NM > >----- Original Message ----- >From: F6CWN >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:37 PM >Subject: LF: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? > >Good night to all, > >Anybody would have any experience on the use of IGBT in 136 KHz amplifiers? >Thanks in advance! >73: Jeff / F6CWN > --=====================_11861972==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Jeff, Marcus,

STGW30NC60WD has a turnoff delay of 120ns. Turn on delay and rise / fall times are better than 30ns.
That should be good enough for 137kHz, maybe even for 500kHz.
It further has a max. Collector-Emitter Voltage of 600V, max. Collector Current of 60A (200A pulsed), max.. dissipation of 200W and a saturation voltage of 2V (@20A).
Looks like a good "workhorse" for those who want to experiment with IGBT's.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T


At 22:05 26/06/2009, you wrote:
Dear Jeff,
 
havn't actually tried it myself on 137 kHz. But from past experience I'd say that while IGBTs may have less DC loss, they are much slower (especially during turnoff). They can be used as effient switches at some tens of kHz, whereas MOSFETs will easily go up to several MHz.
 
Kind regards,
Markus, DF6NM
 
----- Original Message -----
From: F6CWN
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:37 PM
Subject: LF: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?

Good night to all,
 
Anybody would have any experience on the use of IGBT in 136 KHz amplifiers?
Thanks in advance!
73: Jeff / F6CWN
 
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Hi Jean-Pierre,LF
Strong signal and nice capture,
Henny pa3cpm
Best 73s
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Received: from smtp812.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.72]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MS6JJ-00069g-8k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 10:34:29 +0100 Received: (qmail 76711 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2009 09:34:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=um1xovFDN8K++omyF2ER4Tl6F41PYVT/FVmaQQ4HcPUG24IshsURAw5i/GC4SZCBpoicSTT1a1I4GKVzWGMS7wqXt9y3bNp9gh3uh6sFumHMEAmwCpciN5VhEYiGmXDfF/Ks3ASwjf2kU2NSrpkQEwyo7+Yc48XLOZ5LiRfz3po= ; Received: from unknown (HELO fred) (c.ashby435@86.164.115.222 with login) by smtp812.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2009 09:34:34 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9STUSnaswBBSd6nO_2gAC20jmYlWRjmg8d5iYd8s.rl181aR6Sw- X-YMail-OSG: b2rizowVM1mbH3vVRL_GhJjddKm_VZxAH9zFP0TXuYk9lvMBGBN0reUp.RrXoeLIPqECC9lf3LwEsYFY7cT9RVEH4QnZHhO.wmCyEz7w1w22gJ2ygd6paAZGzxYylmF0.OrRfOZb65xFCS0AVBN5PSCWueH5PEyeXcNWPGGMNVwYZSyDZQL1ydEsg7i4og1ESbHG.cnFqCTFphXO8thnmINrWY9HjqfmRdbGsV1zlCbDnLQ_o9e7vX3hEXcGSfjtc67SkCZzEjzxXB85pmIqUGhp7CEmW0wbVSMM4i1mSP7smfEf4PjpBDeB X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <000d01ca078b$1f11f6c0$0201a8c0@home> From: "Chris" To: References: <001901ca0721$1062dc30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <1d8f89cf0907171558r463f8bd7k509fb34f1238e74c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 10:35:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: 6M Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thule" To: Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 11:58 PM Subject: Re: LF: 6M > 2009/7/17 mal hamilton said: > > > I worked a few for some CW practice. > > Good, you could do with some.... > What a ridiculous comment. I listened to Mal on CW on 500KHz the other afternoon and it was well up with the best I've heard. Chris, G4AYT. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me09.mx.aol.com (rly-me09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.43]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINME013-9da4a69ae0c7c; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 08:50:42 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me09.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME096-9da4a69ae0c7c; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 08:50:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MUKCi-0007Sa-0N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:48:52 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MUKCh-0007SR-FX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:48:51 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MUKCc-0001KX-Sr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:48:49 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3502.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 681E67000085 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:48:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.11.184]) by mwinf3502.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id DD8BE7000084 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:48:36 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090724124836907.DD8BE7000084@mwinf3502.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <1MTixd-0cGXyK0@fwd00.t-online.de> <4A687388.4050801@usa.net> <1MU4lz-1dRfeq0@fwd10.t-online.de> <434E6E4F7AC64D8B995F684D832555DA@JimPC> <49FC75F6A7D2439197581F10016D72AE@AGB> <000201ca0bfb$db158d40$0b01a8c0@weazle> In-Reply-To: <000201ca0bfb$db158d40$0b01a8c0@weazle> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:48:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Loop discussion Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ok JB The loop is a equilateral triangle 'flat', running about 90 feet above the sea level , each side is 200 feet , with the feed at the apex of the south - east side, opposite is the 'base' running approx , north east /south west. Total cable length just over 600 feet , 35 amp insulated mains cable was used, as we had a roll and it keeps the salt spray off the wire The voltage build up seems to be more of a problem with the loop, not sue as to the final pd , but it gives a good flash and already has sent one chap across the room .and that was on a fine sunny day ... the wire to the light house, 680 feet, is still in place .. amazingly ... doesn't seem to have the same static build up problem .. still charges but no where near as much The main use of the loop to date has been tx/rx on the HF ham bands fed from a balanced tuner and rx on 500, with one end grounded and the other direct to the rx ... this produces quite a high level of noise, next is to try a small tuner with loop coupling to float the array . We have not yet transmitted on the loop at 500 but the rx tuner should handle the 50 watts so we can take a signal reading at G4WGT grabber. The marine tx is looking for a very low Z feed so any Ae coupling tends to be step up , the long wire is tuned with a parallel tuner , sort of 160 mtr fashion. We did initially try a conventional loaded vertical system, however as the Fort is 1000's of tons of sandstone rock it was difficult to tune the system with 'no' earth as such , the loop was installed to take its place, then we found that the lighthouse was owned by the owner of the fort ...one of those 'oh that's handy moments' http://uk500khz.googlegroups.com/web/gb4f.jpg 73 - G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 2:12 AM To: Subject: Re: LF: Loop discussion > > Hi Graham, > > Would you kindly pass along some details of the GB4FPR delta loop? > I've been using one here with a perimeter of 333 feet for several years > now for receiving purposes in the range 160 to 530 kHz. A binocular > core with a 1:2 turns ratio at one of the bottom corners provides the > step-up to the RG-6U coax to the receiver. I've no problems with > static charges or arcs (so far), but I have thought of putting some > high value resistors from the loop ends to ground. > > 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL > Solar and wind powered > Lowfer " EAR" 188.830 > EN93dr > > http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.26/2257 - Release Date: 07/23/09 > 18:00:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md09.mx.aol.com (rly-md09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.147]) by air-md09.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMD093-9274a5eec4c1e; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 05:01:27 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md09.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD097-9274a5eec4c1e; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 05:01:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MRMor-0003V0-5O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:00:01 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MRMoq-0003Ur-P1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:00:00 +0100 Received: from smtp21.services.sfr.fr ([93.17.128.2]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MRMoe-0003KT-Hm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:59:49 +0100 Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2107.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7203B700008A for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:59:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from euro7g1ku6dl5q (21.171.87-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.87.171.21]) by msfrf2107.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with SMTP id C438D7000084 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:59:47 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20090716085947803.C438D7000084@msfrf2107.sfr.fr Message-ID: <001e01ca05f3$c5589870$0201a8c0@euro7g1ku6dl5q> From: "Claude Berthebaud" To: References: <32A397601B41446080BDA56C913775B5@ns94d01ae4d850> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:59:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090716-0, 16/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: XGJ 07-16-2009..info's f8boj Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA0604.88762380" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA0604.88762380 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_001B_01CA0604.88762380" ------=_NextPart_001_001B_01CA0604.88762380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Warren,LF group Very good copy this morning with L inverted antenna and my yaesu FT990= =20 pleasure=20 Claude F8boj ------=_NextPart_001_001B_01CA0604.88762380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Warren,LF group
Very good co= py this morning=20 with L inverted antenna and my yaesu FT990
pleasure
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<1358EE293D424CDBA415F27A62E80F42@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <1MTixd-0cGXyK0@fwd00.t-online.de> <4A687388.4050801@usa.net> <1MU4lz-1dRfeq0@fwd10.t-online.de> <434E6E4F7AC64D8B995F684D832555DA@JimPC> <49FC75F6A7D2439197581F10016D72AE@AGB> <000201ca0bfb$db158d40$0b01a8c0@weazle> <000401ca0c61$8bff3600$0b01a8c0@weazle> In-Reply-To: <000401ca0c61$8bff3600$0b01a8c0@weazle> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:32:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Loop discussion Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 JB, Well if you over this way, you can stay in the light house , it used to be rented out as a novelty venue, ... Now there is a idea, just add a cushcraft vertical and a hf t/r , instant /P holiday home and you can operate the 500 set up under 'supervision' as its licensed as a club station 73n - G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 2:20 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Loop discussion > > Hi Graham, LFers, > > Thanks for the reply with the details. I'm jealous of the site you've > got there. In addition to being a radio nut, I'm also a lighthouse > nut, having as many pix and models of lighthouses in the shack > as I do radios! > > My wife is Welsh, so if we're ever back home I just might have to > pay you a visit and see it for myself. > > 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL > Solar and wind powered > Lowfer " EAR" 188.830 > EN93dr > > http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.27/2258 - Release Date: 07/24/09 > 05:58:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df07.mx.aol.com (rly-df07.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.20]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDF084-5624a5d84fc32f; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 03:28:14 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF073-5624a5d84fc32f; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 03:27:57 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MQysi-000595-60 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 08:26:24 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MQysf-00058w-EJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 08:26:21 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MQysc-0003s3-56 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 08:26:20 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjIFAGchXUpZ8rjv/2dsb2JhbACCJy2CG4gOBsQVhAkF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.242.184.239]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 08:25:08 +0100 Message-ID: <005401ca051d$61bbd290$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <001001ca046e$24db0e90$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 08:25:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: LF: Re: TM R836 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0051_01CA0525.BF32B260" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01CA0525.BF32B260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Installed in C130 aircraft, if you happen to own one. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:30 AM Subject: LF: TM R836 TM or cct details for ARC R836/ARN, LF DF receiver 190 - 1750 khz ne= eded if anyone can help. It looks like it could be useful for 500 khzx= . 73 de mal/g3kev ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.13/2237 - Release Date: 07= /14/09 05:56:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01CA0525.BF32B260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Installed in C130 aircraft, if you ha= ppen to own=20 one.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009= 11:30=20 AM
Subject: LF: TM R836

TM or cct details for ARC R836/ARN,= LF DF=20 receiver 190 - 1750 khz needed if anyone can help. It looks like it= could be=20 useful for 500 khzx.
73 de mal/g3kev
 


No virus found in this incoming message.
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------=_NextPart_000_0051_01CA0525.BF32B260-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md04.mx.aol.com (rly-md04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.142]) by air-md09.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMD094-8fd4a60e5ea3ca; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:58:25 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD045-8fd4a60e5ea3ca; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:58:21 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MRuUD-0004S0-KF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 21:56:57 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MRuUD-0004Rr-5Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 21:56:57 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MRuU0-0003S0-1s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 21:56:44 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq8EAMeBYEpZ8Y93/2dsb2JhbACCKCyCG4gZBsQ+hA0F Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.241.143.119]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2009 21:56:32 +0100 Message-ID: <001901ca0721$1062dc30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 21:56:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 6M Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01CA0729.717950F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01CA0729.717950F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nothintg doing on LF/MF tonite but 6M is wide open all around EU. Noth= ing like a change. Some vy strong signals. I worked a few for some CW practice. 73 mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01CA0729.717950F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nothintg doing on LF/MF tonite but 6M= is wide open=20 all around EU. Nothing like a change.
Some vy strong signals. I worked a fe= w for some CW=20 practice.
73 mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01CA0729.717950F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc05.mx.aol.com (rly-dc05.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.34]) by air-dc09.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC094-b214a6599a433a; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:34:40 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc05.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC055-b214a6599a433a; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:34:17 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTCeN-00074f-3a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:32:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTCeM-00074W-LG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:32:46 +0100 Received: from mailex.atlas.pipex.net ([194.154.164.64]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTCe5-0005Ox-Sg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:32:30 +0100 Received: from [62.249.237.217] (helo=daddave) by mail10.atlas.pipex.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTCeI-0004tR-Bb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:32:42 +0100 From: "Michael Probert GW4HXO" To: Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:31:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcoJ65d0PhMV+AtRSCSe+8aNIIowGAAACzdg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Message-Id: Subject: LF: RTE 1 504khz harmonic Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA09F6.DD19F0B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA09F6.DD19F0B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello group, The transmitter is located about 30miles NW of Dublin and is mainly a sea path down to my qth. The 2nd harmonic presence seems to vary from time to time and does not depend on which antenna I use, either pa0rdt or 20m top loaded vertical. Gary,not sure how close to the coast you are but maybe it is directly across the water from you. 73 Mike GW4HXO. _____ http://www.waniewski.de ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA09F6.DD19F0B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello group,

 

The transmitter= is located about 30miles NW of Dublin and is mainly a sea path down to my qth. The 2nd harmonic presence seems to vary from time to time and does not depend= on which antenna I use, either pa0rdt or 20m top loaded vertical.

 

Gary,not sure how close to the coast you are but maybe it is directly across the water from you.<= o:p>

 

73

 

Mike GW4HXO.

 

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA09F6.DD19F0B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de04.mx.aol.com (rly-de04.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.140]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDE024-4cb4a6c97f019b; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 13:53:06 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE042-4cb4a6c97f019b; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 13:52:49 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MV7sm-0005JZ-6J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:51:36 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MV7sl-0005JQ-KP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:51:35 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.53]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MV7sg-0004D0-RU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:51:33 +0100 X-Trace: 235927993/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.72.80/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.72.80 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhIFAOozbEpYakhQ/2dsb2JhbACCVCIBNVqHBoUuihqxagmEBAU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,272,1246834800"; d="scan'208,217";a="235927993" Received: from 88-106-72-80.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.72.80]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 26 Jul 2009 18:51:27 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <004e01ca0e08$4e2b7ac0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:51:27 +0100 Message-ID: <009501ca0e19$b3045fa0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <004e01ca0e08$4e2b7ac0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcoOCLo0xbsxLoDTTHKskuK0T+II7QAEEQ+Q X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: RE: BEACON Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0096_01CA0E22.14C8C7A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01CA0E22.14C8C7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mal, EI0CF beacon received here at good strength & If you look, Finbar's beacon can be seen on both UK grabbers (G4WGT & G3YXM). Gary - G4WGT. _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 26 July 2009 16:47 To: rsgb Subject: LF: BEACON EI0CF QTH EJM in beacon mode. Am I the only one receiving this beacon. What about the grabbers? de g3kev I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01CA0E22.14C8C7A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Mal,

 

EI0CF beacon received here at good strength & If you look, Finbar’= s beacon can be seen on both UK grabbers (G4WGT & G3YXM).=

 

Gary – G4WGT.

 

From:= owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] On Behalf Of m= al hamilton<= /st1:City>
Sent: 26 July 2009 16:4= 7
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: BEACON

 

EI0CF QTH EJM in beacon mode.

Am I the only one receiving this beacon= . What about the grabbers?

de g3kev

 

 
I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean.
It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter
------=_NextPart_000_0096_01CA0E22.14C8C7A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (rly-mf07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.177]) by air-mf05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMF051-9724a68f15c45; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:25:28 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF078-9724a68f15c45; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:25:18 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MU7dr-0006Dd-7C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:24:03 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MU7dq-0006DU-Qn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:24:02 +0100 Received: from smtp822.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MU7dY-0006zd-0q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:23:44 +0100 Received: (qmail 53084 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2009 23:23:54 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=1WZEPxaZolky/qhWFZrDMSU74F+devB/mg6VLhGg5PzMpp7uOm+csFElZy89jFTkJK5uVDf6pzkmyD1lkKEhZvy/RU8i58P1RtlMjG9o1zPD/DezJ6ej97261S2SjArZU89/NTEy+6bm9nrpT3j5J60zAm/JfbCmbOAEw7fc5xc= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.9.149 with login) by smtp822.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2009 23:23:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: aQ4eyY4VM1ns9X_v4gkpYr1I1i21AbCkHwARSDyeTD1_D_Z4PRG..KrWZ1_Bka9fE2c.o05GL6iO_sZxB7gky9FAmjNbM7n4mWtdDva4V.utztMew85OMZFuTv59ZRkbtqiIfHWj60K.5j2pYad7ffsmdugXKxP3z39WdYolZ_1nBiQwklU6wItLmjOqFXmetxJVeJbeXXKl5TkuuPufC90YuXsSiSZnHtfuKV5qyV4cfqFgXLHZ4qboLcTnpidy2fgviNX37La5hknzybUSjzYJBgHlBYOyhNPvZm24Igyta6olXmbxVH7FWjs2ywPRmMU84pZEClyq7O6mEszd X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <434E6E4F7AC64D8B995F684D832555DA@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <1MTixd-0cGXyK0@fwd00.t-online.de> <4A687388.4050801@usa.net> <1MU4lz-1dRfeq0@fwd10.t-online.de> In-Reply-To: <1MU4lz-1dRfeq0@fwd10.t-online.de> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:23:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Loop discussion Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Ha-Jo, LF Group, The beauty of a large wire loop of several m^2 is that a high signal level is produced, making tuning and matching non-critical, and so it is a very simple and versatile antenna which works well over a wide frequency range. My version of an outdoor wire loop tunable in the shack was the "Lazy loop" - see http://www.wireless.org.uk/lazy.htm When you are trying to make a much smaller loop with essentially the same performance, design is more critical due to the lower signal power available from the loop, so the technical details need to be studied, and the solution has to be more closely defined. But the end result is still simple - a single turn loop, a transformer, a preamp. In the case of the bandpass loops, a few inductors and capacitors do impedance matching and define the passband. It is worth going to this trouble, because a compact, portable, easily rotated loop that does the same job as a much bigger antenna is a useful thing to have. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 9:20 PM Subject: Re: LF: Loop discussion > Dear James and Alberto, > > I must confess that my considerations were much simpler. I wanted to > find a solution for an outside wire (normal litz wire for electric home > wiring) loop for broadband reception and to transfer its received energy > into the shack via a cable. Especially at VLF to MF cable losses are > rather low. Furthermore I wanted to locate all electronic equipment in > the shack only, no remote controls or similars. My solution is simple > and is working according to my expectations. > > 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (rly-mg02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.108]) by air-mg04.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMG043-9fa4a6f8c71236; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 19:40:45 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG024-9fa4a6f8c71236; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 19:40:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MVwGD-0001Xe-MZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:39:09 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MVwGD-0001XV-73 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:39:09 +0100 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MVwFp-0003TA-RE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:38:46 +0100 Received: (qmail 17823 invoked by uid 0); 28 Jul 2009 23:38:58 -0000 Received: from 85.178.108.90 by www063.gmx.net with HTTP; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 01:38:57 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 01:38:57 +0200 From: "Dennis" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090728233857.137970@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Authenticated: #4122078 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18LgypF5KsLFyDS659shUvaxzGfHDr1Q4gJDyDXb6 MCsaiXGo061QBMm4m4Dmz+gKO8ZTYOXKYzYg== X-GMX-UID: KbtafpByTiE+bK2EWWRwLx59ZUVSRNep X-FuHaFi: 0.53 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: LF: Licence of OK0EMW Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Lubos! Great! Hope to hear from You / Your beacon soon :) vy73 Dennis Berlin city -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:21:49 +0200 > Von: Lubos OK2BVG > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: LF: Licence of OK0EMW > > Hello all LF! > I am glad, that I can tell you good news: > > The licence of my beacon OK0EMW was extended to 13.8.2010. > > OK0EMW is active on its fixed freq 505.060kHz with 1W ERP. All reports are > welcome! > > 73! > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS, Breclav, The Czech Republic > > -- Jetzt kostenlos herunterladen: Internet Explorer 8 und Mozilla Firefox 3 - sicherer, schneller und einfacher! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/atbrowser From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (rly-ma07.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.51]) by air-ma08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMA083-8bc4a689cd5282; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:25:22 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA076-8bc4a689cd5282; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:24:39 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MU218-0005Ge-Vp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:23:42 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MU218-0005GV-Dy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:23:42 +0100 Received: from psmtp13.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.25]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MU214-0000hT-6j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:23:40 +0100 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp13.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KN800LFNWB6SW@psmtp13.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:23:30 +0200 (MEST) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:23:20 +0200 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: XGJ 23-07.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_pJKAU1tD9Sl8erCnfaytQg)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_pJKAU1tD9Sl8erCnfaytQg) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_gfC2nFy0HKmgPnDxm8rzuQ)" --Boundary_(ID_gfC2nFy0HKmgPnDxm8rzuQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Warren,LF one string XGJ Henny pa3cpm 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: XGJ 23-07.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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Hi Warren,LF
one string XGJ
Henny pa3cpm
73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
XGJ 23-07.jpg

Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg06.mx.aol.com (rly-dg06.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.90]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDG054-5d44a66c7df216; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:03:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg06.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG067-5d44a66c7df216; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:03:44 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTWmR-0001bz-O8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:02:27 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTWmR-0001bq-7n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:02:27 +0100 Received: from smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.27]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTWmN-0001iU-GQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:02:25 +0100 Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl (dovemail9.xs4all.nl [194.109.26.11]) by smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n6M82Fto024275 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:02:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Received: from 82.92.124.189 (SquirrelMail authenticated user pa0rdt) by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:02:22 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <53518.82.92.124.189.1248249742.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:02:22 +0200 (CEST) From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Loop (was Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?) Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=CELL_PHONE_BOOST autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello John, Regarding the single turn versus multiple turn loop, I have done both. For the multiple turn loop, 100 meter of 1.2 mm PCV clad electrical mains wire was wound on a wooden frame with sides of 70 cm. This was a major task in itself and called for a dedicated winding contraption. The primary could be tuned from 120 - 600 kHz and the secondary was a single turn winding. Output was fairly low and a broadband pre-amplifier was used. The single turn loop had a diameter of 1 meter and was made from the outer shield of a length of RG213 coaxial cable. The stepup transformer was wound on a 36 mm high mu (5000) toroid. The primary had 3 windings and the secondary 90. Still a lot of turns, but more manageable tahn winding the multiturn boxed loop. The output was fed into a high input buffer amplifier (aka mini-whip). Though small, this loop provided ample output and the output was shunted by a 33K resistor to give the same output at Lf as my mini-whip. This is a broadband antenna and besides being plagued by local noise, reception is excellent. The multiturn tuned loop has the benefit of being very selective and is nice to prevent IMD. The broadband loop is easier to use of course and with the right gain setting will not cause IMD on most receivers. The beauty of this hobby that most of the time we have a choice! 73, Roelof bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (rly-mb03.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.161]) by air-mb01.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMB011-cfc4a5de07e15d; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:58:33 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB038-cfc4a5de07e15d; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:58:24 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MR4yn-0006bM-8J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:57:05 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MR4ym-0006bD-Q9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:57:04 +0100 Received: from smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MR4yb-0003Dz-F7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:56:54 +0100 Received: (qmail 93226 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2009 13:56:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=F6TmS1BZAhfLDebmGvhF1kSYhVd4RkO56V97tQqsKz6fge2muy15Ccs6rkatxRyDaBi3k40ivuqBm+V8oDfFvggUGRZfT3poI3jX8js3o+EVMEhQOlXpGKWsBzxL5Wk2x6xWEBE3nUo/1Ji6nhiY2IcbjQeTiKLWOxdNWUSyaMc= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Lark) (alan.melia@213.122.40.190 with login) by smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 13:56:55 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: KHdpK2OswBBXlm4uxknbEiS4uYdJoGknHN90u4K8__lTafnafZg- X-YMail-OSG: Wh3NCn4VM1kp084TFHokgUk2mhezQ.TgpVsv2Sn8iX8aIXQ1t98fjcfEkv.isLEwKmiE317DGKwLMGYNRRc41dWNDRxXsjw0jI9JmYareIysCJoOkGvDFXREAjYvr.kMN3MS1DHC.puNhdyrnCmI8hviqRFpRLYrOZREy0g4LRZvnutIA7XCyZo1gA3jh1IN_WGbJUbtdUQ1P1ANtW1q.Ud6Oioyp4b8p0zwiLb4hRVCrfBbxnohE2bTLjxMM5XwEL0eCH42gabm4guM5ShkFl1n6Aq4tLOhP.RsftjhdmoGAV..S2t2KFcO_XK0mezsZMvT3uUQZQgJpKFLCuCUu_e825foNiEIbq8qP.aHzg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <003501ca0554$292717a0$0900a8c0@AM> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:57:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi all, I am very please to see not everyone sticks to a 12 volt maximum supply voltage :-)) One though that occurs to me is that if one side of the MO transformer is grounded in oven service........one ought to check that the winding as a whole is sufficiently well insulated from ground to stand floating 2kV above ground. There may not be the same clearance /insulation on the grounded end of the secondary as the intended high-voltage end?? On the other hand it might be quite OK. I have a certain cynicism about "consumer designs". Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:34 PM Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers These special transformers need the magnetic bypass because a magnetron looks (as a load) like a Z diode. So they are powered, more or less, with a constant current source rather than a constant voltage source. In other words, the "generator" (transformer) must have a large source impedance, and that's what the magnetic bypass in the 'former does. Cheers, Wolf . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg09.mx.aol.com (rly-mg09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.115]) by air-mg08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMG084-a344a69b57257; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 09:22:15 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg09.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG096-a344a69b57257; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 09:21:56 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MUKhk-0007bj-VP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:20:56 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MUKhk-0007ba-Dt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:20:56 +0100 Received: from fish2.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.163]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MUKhg-0001Yn-5Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:20:54 +0100 Received: from weazle (pppoe.dyn-216.46.157.96.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.157.96]) by fish2.hurontel.on.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 706A39911CD for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 09:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from weazle (pppoe.dyn-216.46.157.96.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.157.96]) by fish2.hurontel.on.ca with SMTP id KzRZW5DC1SyUCrz9 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 09:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000401ca0c61$8bff3600$0b01a8c0@weazle> From: "J. 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Weazle McCreath" To: References: <1MTixd-0cGXyK0@fwd00.t-online.de> <4A687388.4050801@usa.net> <1MU4lz-1dRfeq0@fwd10.t-online.de> <434E6E4F7AC64D8B995F684D832555DA@JimPC> <49FC75F6A7D2439197581F10016D72AE@AGB> <000201ca0bfb$db158d40$0b01a8c0@weazle> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:20:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Loop discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Graham, LFers, Thanks for the reply with the details. I'm jealous of the site you've got there. In addition to being a radio nut, I'm also a lighthouse nut, having as many pix and models of lighthouses in the shack as I do radios! My wife is Welsh, so if we're ever back home I just might have to pay you a visit and see it for myself. 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL Solar and wind powered Lowfer " EAR" 188.830 EN93dr http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db01.mx.aol.com (rly-db01.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.76]) by air-db10.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDB101-aa74a57e0d7239; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:46:21 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB015-aa74a57e0d7239; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:46:17 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MPQik-0006p8-FP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:45:42 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MPQij-0006oz-RA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:45:41 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s21.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.32]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPQig-0002gr-T5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:45:40 +0100 Received: from BLU146-W15 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s21.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:45:31 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [119.73.250.227] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:45:31 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <8bf118410907100011s696aa712sbd88bd3a023e1c39@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2009 00:45:31.0797 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4D4A450:01CA01C0] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_4af13381-2c80-43a8-b34c-ddec769566fc_" Subject: RE: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises/Loran X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_4af13381-2c80-43a8-b34c-ddec769566fc_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Talking of jamming Loran brings back memories in the 70's of "attacking"= a Decca site in the Eastern counties defended by Gurkhas' as a night exer= cise. I came across some photos the other day of said installation I must= have taken around that time - and for what I can remember the idea was to= place a small amount of C4 or shaped charge on one or two items and defin= ately not get captured in the process. =20 Given the lack of security of some of the Loran sites Im guessing the best= denial of Service would be a lump of plastic or very large bolt cutters= on a couple of guys..or perhaps knocking out the remote mon receiver or= spoofing a small signal..must be easier than raising a 400m mast. =20 LF and MF very noisy here due to Moonsoons at the moment. =20 Laurence 9V1 LF Rainy Singpore =20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99 SkyDrive=99: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_SD_25GB_062009= =3D --_4af13381-2c80-43a8-b34c-ddec769566fc_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Talking of jamming Loran brings back memories in the 70's of "attacking"= a Decca site in the Eastern counties defended by Gurkhas' as a night exer= cise. I came across some photos the other day of said installation I must= have taken around that time - and for what I can remember the idea was to= place a small amount of C4 or shaped charge on one or two items and defin= ately not get captured in the process.
 
Given the lack of security of some of the Loran sites Im guessing the best= denial of Service would be a lump of plastic or very large bolt cutters= on a couple of guys..or perhaps knocking out the  remote mon receive= r or spoofing a small signal..must be easier than raising a 400m mast.
 
LF and MF very noisy here due to Moonsoons at the moment.
 
Laurence 9V1 LF
Rainy Singpore
 
 

Windows Live=99 SkyDrive=99: Get 25 GB of free onlin= e storage. Get it on your BlackBerry or iPho= ne. =3D --_4af13381-2c80-43a8-b34c-ddec769566fc_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me10.mx.aol.com (rly-me10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.44]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINME064-9e34a4ded56319; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 07:37:09 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me10.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME107-9e34a4ded56319; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 07:36:58 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MMh3i-0001ni-Ji for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:36:02 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MMh3i-0001nZ-3r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:36:02 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MMh3f-00059g-Pe for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:36:02 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 877B751C00B for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 13:35:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 640D731E703 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 13:35:46 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:36:04 +0200 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <20090703100648.865C531E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> References: <908B19DF06BE4ECEB3A61470A89BEFA8@Black> <20090703100648.865C531E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090703113546.640D731E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_17199983==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_17199983==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Some other fast IGBT's: http://www.promelec.ru/pdf/SGH80N60UF.pdf http://www.bjrtd.com/pdf/sgh23n60ufd.pdf http://www.abcd-e.cn/abcd-e/www/a/products/transistor/a/SGH40N60UFD.pdf 73, Rik At 12:07 3/07/2009, you wrote: >Jeff, Marcus, > >STGW30NC60WD has a turnoff delay of 120ns. Turn on delay and rise / >fall times are better than 30ns. >That should be good enough for 137kHz, maybe even for 500kHz. >It further has a max. Collector-Emitter Voltage of 600V, max. >Collector Current of 60A (200A pulsed), max.. dissipation of 200W >and a saturation voltage of 2V (@20A). >Looks like a good "workhorse" for those who want to experiment with IGBT's. > >73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > >At 22:05 26/06/2009, you wrote: >>Dear Jeff, >> >>havn't actually tried it myself on 137 kHz. But from past >>experience I'd say that while IGBTs may have less DC loss, they are >>much slower (especially during turnoff). They can be used as >>effient switches at some tens of kHz, whereas MOSFETs will easily >>go up to several MHz. >> >>Kind regards, >>Markus, DF6NM >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: F6CWN >>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:37 PM >>Subject: LF: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? >> >>Good night to all, >> >>Anybody would have any experience on the use of IGBT in 136 KHz amplifiers? >>Thanks in advance! >>73: Jeff / F6CWN >> --=====================_17199983==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Some other fast IGBT's:

http://www.promelec.ru/pdf/SGH80N60UF.pdf
http://www.bjrtd.com/pdf/sgh23n60ufd.pdf
http://www.abcd-e.cn/abcd-e/www/a/products/transistor/a/SGH40N60UFD.pdf

73, Rik

At 12:07 3/07/2009, you wrote:
Jeff, Marcus,

STGW30NC60WD has a turnoff delay of 120ns. Turn on delay and rise / fall times are better than 30ns.
That should be good enough for 137kHz, maybe even for 500kHz.
It further has a max. Collector-Emitter Voltage of 600V, max. Collector Current of 60A (200A pulsed), max.. dissipation of 200W and a saturation voltage of 2V (@20A).
Looks like a good "workhorse" for those who want to experiment with IGBT's.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T


At 22:05 26/06/2009, you wrote:
Dear Jeff,
 
havn't actually tried it myself on 137 kHz. But from past experience I'd say that while IGBTs may have less DC loss, they are much slower (especially during turnoff). They can be used as effient switches at some tens of kHz, whereas MOSFETs will easily go up to several MHz.
 
Kind regards,
Markus, DF6NM
 
----- Original Message -----
From: F6CWN
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:37 PM
Subject: LF: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?

Good night to all,
 
Anybody would have any experience on the use of IGBT in 136 KHz amplifiers?
Thanks in advance!
73: Jeff / F6CWN
 
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The other option is to use 2 matched transformers that have their windings internally grounded in a supply that would use a grounded center for the secondary nice light weight high power transformers I have used one for my 144 amp for 10 years with no problems 2200 volts at 250 mils or better the newest Mwave ovens will use switching supply so get them on big trash pick up day while you can Bob K3DJC On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:21:56 +0100 "Ken" writes: Hello everyone. Does any one have experience in using microwave oven transformers in high voltage power units, I acquired two of these at the weekend. I was informed that as they stand the voltage regulation is poor, to improve this the 'Core Shunts' should be removed, (these are laminations between the two stacks), removal of these 'shunts' also has the effect of considerably increasing the magnetisation current. The solution to this seems to be to use two transformers, connecting the both primaries and secondary's in series to restore the 2KV output voltage. Any comments on this most welcome Note for Mal, this is serious stuff not for appliance operators. Regards Ken Wright 73 de M0KHW ____________________________________________________________ Find success and happiness with drug and alcohol rehabilitation. Click now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTJWRWktNjfwCdkYmLURb1VEOgF9nbvRaZvH6mCNSPmUlHcGu5WapK/ ----__JNP_000_617e.22fc.04f7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
they work well,, removal of the shunts helps with the regulation
hopefully yours will have the grounded side of the winding
brought out to a terminal where you can open it and
make a full wave supply. The other option is to use 2 matched
transformers that have their windings internally grounded in a
supply that would use a grounded center for the secondary
nice light weight high power transformers
I have used one for my 144 amp for 10 years with no problems
2200 volts at 250 mils or better
the newest Mwave ovens will use switching supply
so get them on big trash pick up day while you can
 
Bob K3DJC 
 
On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:21:56 +0100 "Ken" <ken.h.wright@btinternet.com>=20 writes:
Hello everyone.
Does any one have experience in using= microwave=20 oven transformers in high voltage power units, I acquired two of these= at the=20 weekend. I was informed that as they stand the voltage regulation is poo= r, to=20 improve this the 'Core Shunts' should be removed, (these are laminations= =20 between the two stacks), removal of these 'shunts' also has the effect= of=20 considerably increasing the magnetisation current. The solution to this= seems=20 to be to use two transformers, connecting the both primaries and seconda= ry's=20 in series to restore the 2KV output voltage.
 
Any comments on this most welcome
 
Note for Mal, this is serious stuff not= for=20 appliance operators.
 
Regards
Ken Wright
 
73 de M0KHW
 


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----__JNP_000_617e.22fc.04f7-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf10.mx.aol.com (rly-mf10.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.180]) by air-mf10.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMF104-9834a7312be2a9; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:50:57 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf10.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF101-9834a7312be2a9; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:50:24 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MWuM7-0001nN-6X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 16:49:15 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MWuM6-0001nE-GL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 16:49:14 +0100 Received: from web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.126]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MWuM3-0006QW-C4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 16:49:11 +0100 Received: (qmail 18892 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jul 2009 15:49:06 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1249055345; bh=ZDgycgP7PfyoY/xATazEOMrh/0A8baDd0jxtjLUUsCk=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wTvSTre2CdTkzWdmnOjHaSF1wjAHoMPAEfvZw6rfJeRC/+E8GuYJvB5OEXHZzvlF68IJXbqTnRnFsJ7v3vhpBlpvI6VU6kcM0YGkN5x5gaJipN2Ywvkc5gmvgVchIdgqvsezfuNOATJmZAcerTQoiqLCf6drZa/BAjul6CRjka0= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JT0Dcqh9XCJ6k7lhXPGPbfIsg3aZODI244nsyEejUwxswQPg3S7XFH6DJcXV7D9L2jhDGgpJznn+XVSCBiuQXzZRJqF+rDeUMnh8jYk0f2Hj+4r/0dkCyFiiPgA8fXCnZzG6GuN8q0Xr/VDAeNkQHt1auu18L3xwgd10+KRhMiA=; Message-ID: <949148.18590.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ECYBukkVM1mwhal5Ul1LyRbcSuF9yVzTQlGFrBY.60He3GkUsu40.mCD Received: from [86.130.70.67] by web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:49:05 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:49:05 +0000 (GMT) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <7C5EF3297F5848B8A92142CFD613FB0B@AGB> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: cq round 502 ? 1300 hrs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-817779757-1249055345=:18590" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m254.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-817779757-1249055345=:18590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank Graham =A0 All reports welcome. =A0 Soak testing new GW3UEP rig abt 40 Watts out to Inv L up 12m 40m long in= IO91UX. Test and transmission now complete. =A0 Hope to see you on=A0the band soon. =A0 73 GL Peter M0FMT --- On Fri, 31/7/09, Graham wrote: From: Graham Subject: Re: LF: cq round 502 ? 1300 hrs To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Friday, 31 July, 2009, 2:53 PM Now stronger .1445 hrs .. M0FMT=A0=A0=A0 rst=A0 4/5=A0-=A0 4 - 9 ..may be= in beacon mode ? =A0 freq .. may be=A0 (+/- a bit )=A0=A0 502.1250=A0 @=A0 10 db over the=A0 no= ise floor=20 =A0 rx set up=A0 38 ft vert , no atu,=A0 ft897-d , 501=A0 , usb=20 =A0 Aslo seeing=A0 'cw' at 503.4 ..1445 hrs=20 =A0 G ..=20 From: Graham=20 Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:06 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: cq round 502 ? 1300 hrs=20 =A0 Station calling 'cq'=A0 round 502 .on the=A0 speaker . but too low to=A0= get the=A0 call=A0=20 =A0 sorry - may be O ..... ?=20 =A0 Graham , io83lk No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.38/2274 - Release Date: 07/31/09= 05:58:00 =20 --0-817779757-1249055345=:18590 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank Graham
 
All reports welcome.
 
Soak testing new GW3UEP rig abt 40 Watts out to Inv L up 12m 40m long= in IO91UX.
Test and transmission now complete.
 
Hope to see you on the band soon.
 
73 GL Peter M0FMT

--- On Fri, 31/7/09, Graham <g8fzk@= g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>Subject: Re: LF: cq round 502 ? 1300 hrs
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org
Date: Friday, 31 July, 2009, 2:53 PM

Now stronger .1445 hrs .. M0FMT &nbs= p;  rst  4/5 -  4 - 9 ..may be in beacon mode ?=
 
freq .. may be  (+/- a bit ) &n= bsp; 502.1250  @  10 db over the  noise floor
 
rx set up  38 ft vert , no atu, = ; ft897-d , 501  , usb
 
Aslo seeing  'cw' at 503.4 ..1445 hr= s
 
G ..

From: Graham
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:06 PM
Subject: LF: cq round 502 ? 1300 hrs

 
Station calling 'cq'&n= bsp; round 502 .on the  speaker . but too low to  get the = call 
 
sorry - may be O .....= ?
 
Graham , io83lk=

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG= - www.avg.= com
Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.38/2274 - Release Da= te: 07/31/09 05:58:00

=20 --0-817779757-1249055345=:18590-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me04.mx.aol.com (rly-me04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.38]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINME014-9ae4a62f941e4; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 06:45:38 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME042-9ae4a62f941e4; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 06:45:23 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MSTsG-0002U4-D1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:44:08 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MSTsF-0002Tv-TL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:44:07 +0100 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MSTsC-00083P-6E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:44:06 +0100 Received: (qmail 1619 invoked by uid 507); 19 Jul 2009 12:43:48 +0200 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2009 12:43:48 +0200 Message-ID: <200907191243540523.0B700E94@smtp2.numeo.fr> In-Reply-To: <000401ca084d$7db18390$0201a8c0@euro7g1ku6dl5q> References: <200907191013410054.0AE685B7@smtp2.numeo.fr> <000401ca084d$7db18390$0201a8c0@euro7g1ku6dl5q> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:43:54 +0200 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: F8BOJ 30-40dB over noise on 137 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Helli Claude, You are now 5 to 10 dB stronger at 1040z (or the noise has reduced). 73 John F5VLF *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 19/07/2009 at 10:47 Claude Berthebaud wrote: >Hello John and the group >Thank you for this good control good Sunday >pleasure >claude F8BOJ >========== >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John RABSON" >To: >Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 10:13 AM >Subject: LF: F8BOJ 30-40dB over noise on 137 > > >> At 1006z. >> >> F5VLF >> >> >> >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (rly-dc06.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.35]) by air-dc10.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC104-b2b4a64e9ba1d4; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:04:01 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC067-b2b4a64e9ba1d4; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:03:40 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MT0w5-0005pu-EX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:02:17 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MT0w4-0005pl-Ru for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:02:16 +0100 Received: from smtp27.orange.fr ([80.12.242.96]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MT0vo-0002DG-NB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:02:01 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf2718.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1C5E61C00082 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:02:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf2718.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 10CDD1C00083 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:02:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from acer9412 (ARouen-256-1-75-250.w90-22.abo.wanadoo.fr [90.22.2.250]) by mwinf2718.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with SMTP id AABAC1C00082 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:02:03 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090720220203699.AABAC1C00082@mwinf2718.orange.fr Message-ID: From: "F6CWN" To: References: <908B19DF06BE4ECEB3A61470A89BEFA8@Black> <20090703100648.865C531E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:02:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B7_01CA0985.B5E981C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01CA0985.B5E981C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Markus and Rick! I have only just acquainted myself with your messages. (Just going out from hospital, big blood pressure problem...) Thanks a lot for precious information, of what make fun still! I recovered some ferrites N87 types which should work in 137 KHZ. Another subject interests me, it is the possibility of transmitting wi= th a big spool of several turns (a bit as WD2XDW). But EIRP is much we= aker than with a vertical aerial, then it is necessary to "push more"= in power! VY 73: Jeff =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Strobbe=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 10:07 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? Jeff, Marcus, STGW30NC60WD has a turnoff delay of 120ns. Turn on delay and rise /= fall times are better than 30ns. That should be good enough for 137kHz, maybe even for 500kHz. It further has a max. Collector-Emitter Voltage of 600V, max. Collec= tor Current of 60A (200A pulsed), max.. dissipation of 200W and a satu= ration voltage of 2V (@20A). Looks like a good "workhorse" for those who want to experiment with= IGBT's. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 22:05 26/06/2009, you wrote: Dear Jeff, =20 havn't actually tried it myself on 137 kHz. But from past experien= ce I'd say that while IGBTs may have less DC loss, they are much slowe= r (especially during turnoff). They can be used as effient switches at= some tens of kHz, whereas MOSFETs will easily go up to several MHz. =20 Kind regards, Markus, DF6NM =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: F6CWN=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:37 PM Subject: LF: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? Good night to all, Anybody would have any experience on the use of IGBT in 136 KHz= amplifiers? Thanks in advance! 73: Jeff / F6CWN=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01CA0985.B5E981C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Markus and Rick!
 
I have only just acquainted myself wi= th your=20 messages.
(Just going out from hospital, big blood pressure=20 problem...)
Thanks a lot for precious information= , of what make=20 fun still!
I recovered some ferrites N87 types= which should=20 work in 137 KHZ.
Another subject interests me, it is= the possibility=20 of transmitting with a big spool of several turns (a bit as WD2XDW).= =20 But EIRP is much weaker than with a vertical aerial, then it is= necessary=20 to "push more"  in power!
 
VY 73: Jeff
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009= 10:07=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT in= 136 KHz=20 TX?

Jeff, Marcus,

STGW30NC60WD has a turnoff delay= of 120ns.=20 Turn on delay and rise / fall times are better than 30ns.
That sh= ould be=20 good enough for 137kHz, maybe even for 500kHz.
It further has a= max.=20 Collector-Emitter Voltage of 600V, max. Collector Cur= rent of 60A=20 (200A pulsed), max.. dissipation of 200W and a saturation voltage of= 2V=20 (@20A).
Looks like a good "workhorse" for those who want= to=20 experiment with IGBT's.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 22:05=20 26/06/2009, you wrote:
Dear= =20 Jeff,
 
havn't actually tried it= myself on=20 137 kHz. But from past experience I'd say that while IGBTs may hav= e less DC=20 loss, they are much slower (especially during turnoff). They can= be used as=20 effient switches at some tens of kHz, whereas MOSFETs will easily= go up to=20 several MHz.
 
Kind regards,
M= arkus,=20 DF6NM
 
----- Original Message -----
From: F6CWN
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:37 PM
Subject: LF: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?

Good night to all,

 
Anybody would have any experience on the use= of IGBT in=20 136 KHz amplifiers?
Thanks in advance!
73: Jeff / F6CWN

 
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Mark GM4ISM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Newstead" To: Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 1:45 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Mc Coy > Mark wrote: >> 30 sec search on the internet >> http://www.datasheetarchive.com/pdf-datasheets/Datasheets-110/DSAP004237.pdf > Quote "The INTERNET creates more problems than it solves. G3KEV" June 2009 > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.3/2217 - Release Date: 07/03/09 18:11:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md10.mx.aol.com (rly-md10.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.148]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMD052-92b4a59b52f24b; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 06:04:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md10.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD103-92b4a59b52f24b; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 06:04:34 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MPvti-0004VD-T6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:03:06 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MPvti-0004V4-HC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:03:06 +0100 Received: from mail-ew0-f214.google.com ([209.85.219.214]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPvta-0001h5-8N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:02:58 +0100 Received: by ewy10 with SMTP id 10so189819ewy.4 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 03:02:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=/XlPU1Rq2MRxp0AOlyyz4XUZ6vixY9G24pdh0NPS2Z0=; b=S7SA4D3YE8AJPLPTEl1gFHXjAdMBeuoP1QTxV6aKcmRnDQ6B1xzUzgGOJhrYEILxin EwJ3J6WLQ4IzFCCWuPsZqUhBvKqv0MZiSFqslLCciz4C6HWd/3bGyXkMxk7eSxRtwBxh 0ZkZCZg9wkoUKO8TfeKiCGz4KXrOYoLR9i2Lw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=DAaWhWHYfixlZ6nXSjxgOdoNRbTHk6wQLpjGFxVPQ2l1uXBNsalEsBiYvMYRBYM/U0 kTPn0A8VVY45YpZgZmC6Gic9Li1EdDhHFVfSqWtSixSb3nhVKbzebDYAx5i6+ISp0d34 +Hc4OJ98wnwTD6OM+lCBmSU4rfSB+nMLfdQuo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.51.82 with SMTP id a60mr1104103wec.108.1247392979012; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 03:02:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A58C9D7.2030507@freenet.de> References: <4A58C9D7.2030507@freenet.de> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:02:58 +0100 Message-ID: <8bf118410907120302y73ec53b4y2c865ffabc358af1@mail.gmail.com> From: Dave Pick To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: G3YXM 59 ;-) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6db61ca68cbfd046e7f4f15 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m216.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016e6db61ca68cbfd046e7f4f15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nice to have a quick QSO on the band. I must figure out why QRS keeps crashing... Dave. 2009/7/11 Wolfgang B=FCscher > So sorry that I can't transmit on 136 kHz from home .. > hpe cul Dave, > > 73, Wolf . > > --=20 G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK --0016e6db61ca68cbfd046e7f4f15 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nice to have a quick QSO on the band. I must figure out why QRS keeps cras= hing...

Dave.

2009/7/11 Wolfgang= B=FCscher <dl4y= hf@freenet.de>
So sorry that= I can't transmit on 136 kHz from home ..
hpe cul Dave,

=A073, Wolf .




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--0016e6db61ca68cbfd046e7f4f15-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (rly-dc10.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.39]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC081-b474a668f9636f; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:03:52 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC103-b474a668f9636f; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:03:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTT22-0001Lw-6t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:02:18 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTT21-0001Ln-42 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:02:17 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s26.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.37]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTT1s-0000jG-PU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:02:14 +0100 Received: from BLU146-W19 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s26.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:02:01 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [138.32.244.2] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:02:01 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70907210620v6f208cf2t898ce58cab2e9776@mail.gmail.com> References: <57a24ca70907210620v6f208cf2t898ce58cab2e9776@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2009 04:02:01.0770 (UTC) FILETIME=[2ABF00A0:01CA0A81] X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_9649a137-2c91-4ff9-b3e8-d1244c0a1c51_" Subject: LF: Warrens Kw's X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE,UP_TO_OR_MORES autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_9649a137-2c91-4ff9-b3e8-d1244c0a1c51_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 I agree with John TAG's points on current sharing and keeping the distance= of the conductors apart - my spacing was a lot more than that (feet in pl= aces) but thats due to the ascent stage of the throwing device being non= gyrostabilzed and tended to go off target as it hit a tree (need a bow/sp= ud gun next time!) =20 Voltages wise - with the typical some 350ft circumference loop I had appro= aching 50A of current in the loop, but voltages were were still high enoug= h across the matching components for corona, and as John ann Eric and othe= rs have found out sharp points and conductors/PVC onto branches at high po= wers will arc given a choice.=20 =20 Must still have been over a couple of Kv - I cant afford a forest fire but= verticals just wont work for me and give even more issue. =20 I didnt take a lightweight conductor and insulation solution route - I see= m to remember my total copper and insulation weight being close to 350 pou= nds net - but I adopted a thick insulation, certainly not light or cheap,= but I didnt get burn thru at the +24hr >1Kw level=20 =20 As far as how high you could go - well if you were able to insulate all se= ctions off the tree Im sure You could shove a few Kw round the loop but th= e current capacity of the components is going to be LARGE Warren -=20 =20 - Like John I too used heavy duty insulators with tensioning on the horizo= ntal lower leg - My were marine composite material over 12 inches long -= the rest just sat on the branches. After a year or more I took the loops= down and inspected the insulation and although I had scuffing on the Nylo= n outer sheath it didnt break thru to the PVC jacket and can/will be used= again. =20 There was a load of discussion from my peers and betters on whether multip= le parallel conductors would be stable in the wind as their relative posit= ion to each other "up there" does change - but looking at the phase/amp me= ter during the fierciest Okie storms and my limited experience of single= conductors I would say it was manageable and I had very little tuning iss= ues. =20 I did have heating of my toroids 2T:14T (variable) - more heat from the= two turn side but I think I would change my design to see if I can reduce= the flux/stress a bit more by adding more ferrite and or changing the rat= ios a bit more - though I do remember changing to 3T and varying the turns= accordingly wasnt so good for my "array".=20 =20 Current load sharing on the matching capacitor side was very important and= many smaller value caps versus a couple of large ones was the way to go.= I used a mix of G2 and G3 Sangamos Mica's totallying some 12.5nF and the= G3 7.5nF (thats the biggest) was warm at 24 hr operation - the 1.5nF/3nF= werent... a typical solution would be to use a number of http://cgi.ebay.= com/SANGAMO-Mica-Capacitor-.0012-MFD-10,000-Volts-11-Amps_W0QQitemZ4000625= 64002QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20090719?IMSfp=3DTL090719159005r24905 or similar= in parallel - I do prefer the heftier G3's though. =20 Differing tree, types, rough/smooth, varying incident branch angles may ch= ange your choice on conductor and insulation type - Id love to use a load= of u/g RG6 in parallel but I think my Silver Birch in AK will wear it dow= n - I cant shove hose pipe up to protect the insulation as everything has= to be invisible (invisible in a forest/!) I used Black 4 or 6 AWG TFFN -= pvc insulation with a nylon sheath - that slippery 6 mils of nylon really= helps. =20 As john indicated the proof was in the smell and thermal temperatures of= the components - Keeping a weather sealed box, critters out without getti= ng thermal stress was difficult in my case. Going to +2Kw with what Ive go= t wouldnt work and I would have to redesign everything again - =20 =20 My Ceramic feed thrus using brass knurled nuts some 1/4inch diameter were= getting noticably warm and probably needed uprating - and it was more lik= e high voltage/high current battery telephone exchange wiring techniques= than radio. =20 What was interesting was looking at the efficiency of loops at 137kHz and= some of the modelling tools - 350ft was considered by one program (too sm= all <1%) but as you went up to 400-500 ft or more the efficiency really do= es zoom up - its going to be one of those copper RF losses versus total lo= op size variable but I can shove up a 500 footer loop but not with the wan= ted vertical section height - so again it would probably prove not so effi= cient. =20 My water table is only 11ft beneath the array so Im not expecting as good= as results on the rocky ground of Okie - but Ill proably be wrong again= - Empirical measurement rools... =20 good luck with the combiner Warren -=20 =20 Off topic but just had a solar eclipse here - just taken on my Blackberry http://kl1x.com/eclipsejuly2209teda.jpg - didnt have the LF radio on this= time. =20 Laurence Kl1X China =20 > Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:20:43 -0400 > From: wd2xgj@gmail.com > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Loop (was Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?) >=20 > Laurence, >=20 > What do you think is the upper power limit for a loop using > coaxial cable as a conductor? > I've run about 1.3 kW into my loop made up of one turn RG-11 and one > turn RG-214 (both turns parallel as in your case). > Once one of the coax conductors came into contact with wet leaves near > the feed point and began to burn through the insulation and the leaves > - the first indication was erratic aerial currrent. >=20 > I'm thinking of running two Deccas into a combiner but not sure > if the loop insulation is sufficient. >=20 > --=20 > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/ >=20 > On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Laurence BY3A-KL1X > China wrote: > > Jeff - The "turns" of the mains WD2XDW loop were just distanced parall= el > > loops running in roughly the same plane to reduce the RF copper losses= and > > open up the bandwidth a bit - . I did try a couple of "turns" but neve= r > > managed to get the ommppff field. Interesting given the fact that some > > people use 2 turns on their K9AY's successfully - > > > > All the loops ends up welded together on lugs and attached to the tun= er. > > Ive just overhauled the tuner ready to put on line for WE2XPQ but it= will be > > running lower power for a while as I dont want to start a forest fire= in > > Alaska! > > > > Back home in KL7 on August 14th again...just need time... > > > > laurence > > BY3A-KL1X Tanggu China 34degC > > We2XPQ/ x Wd2XDW Wasilla AK > > > > > > Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? > > > > > > Hello Markus and Rick! > > > > I have only just acquainted myself with your messages. > > (Just going out from hospital, big blood pressure problem...) > > Thanks a lot for precious information, of what make fun still! > > I recovered some ferrites N87 types which should work in 137 KHZ. > > Another subject interests me, it is the possibility of transmitting wi= th a > > big spool of several turns (a bit as WD2XDW). But EIRP is much weaker= than > > with a vertical aerial, then it is necessary to "push more" in power! > > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > 73: Jeff / F6CWN > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Windows Live=99 SkyDrive=99: Store, access, and share your photos. See= how. >=20 >=20 >=20 > 1 >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99 Hotmail=AE: Celebrate the moment with your favorite sports= pics. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=3DTXT_TAG= LM_WL_QA_HM_sports_photos_072009&cat=3Dsports=3D --_9649a137-2c91-4ff9-b3e8-d1244c0a1c51_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  
I agree with John TAG's points on current sharing and keeping the dis= tance of the conductors apart - my spacing was a lot more than that (feet= in places) but thats due to the  ascent stage of the throwing= device being non gyrostabilzed and tended to go off target as it hit a tr= ee (need a bow/spud gun next time!)
 
Voltages wise - with the typical some 350ft circumference loop I had appro= aching 50A of current in the loop, but voltages were were still high= enough across the matching components for corona, and as John ann Er= ic and others have found out sharp points and conductors/PVC&nbs= p;onto branches at high powers will arc given a choice.
 
Must still have been over a couple of Kv - I cant afford a forest fire but= verticals just wont work for me and give even more issue.
 
I didnt take a lightweight conductor and insulation solution route - I see= m to remember my total copper and insulation weight being close to 350 pou= nds net - but I adopted a thick insulation, certainly not light or cheap,= but I didnt get burn thru at the +24hr  >1Kw level
 
As far as how high you could go - well if you were able to insulate all se= ctions off the tree Im sure You could shove a few Kw round the loop= but the current capacity of the components is going to be LARGE Warren -=
 
- Like John I too used heavy duty insulators with tensioning on the horizo= ntal lower leg - My were marine composite material over 12 inches long -= the rest just sat on the branches. After a year or more I took the loops= down and inspected the insulation and although I had scuffing on the Nylo= n outer sheath it didnt break thru to the PVC jacket and can/will be= used again.
 
There was a load of discussion from my peers and betters on whether multip= le parallel conductors would be stable in the wind as their relative posit= ion to each other "up there" does change - but looking at the phase/amp me= ter during the fierciest Okie storms and my limited experience of single= conductors I would say it was manageable and I had very little tuning iss= ues.
 
I did have heating of my toroids 2T:14T (variable)  - more heat from= the two turn side but I think I would change my design to see if I can re= duce the flux/stress a bit more by adding more ferrite and or changing the= ratios a bit more - though I do remember changing to 3T and varying the= turns accordingly wasnt so good for my "array".
 
Current load sharing on the matching capacitor side was very imp= ortant and many smaller value caps versus a couple of large ones was the= way to go. I used a mix of  G2 and G3 Sangamos Mica's totallyin= g some 12.5nF and the G3 7.5nF (thats the biggest) was warm at 24 hr= operation - the 1.5nF/3nF werent... a typical solution would be to use a= number of http://cgi.ebay.com/SANGAMO-Mica-Capacitor-.0= 012-MFD-10,000-Volts-11-Amps_W0QQitemZ400062564002QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ200= 90719?IMSfp=3DTL090719159005r24905 or similar in parallel - I do= prefer the heftier G3's though.
 
Differing tree, types, rough/smooth, varying incident branch angles may ch= ange your choice on conductor and insulation type - Id love to use a load= of u/g RG6 in parallel but I think my Silver Birch in AK will wear it dow= n - I cant shove hose pipe up to protect the insulation as everything has= to be invisible (invisible in a forest/!) I used Black 4 or 6 AWG TFFN -= pvc insulation with a nylon sheath - that slippery 6 mils of nylon really= helps.
 
As john indicated the proof was in the smell and thermal temperatures of= the components - Keeping a weather sealed box, critters out without getti= ng thermal stress was difficult in my case. Going to +2Kw with what Ive go= t wouldnt work and I would have to redesign everything again -
 
 
My Ceramic feed thrus using brass knurled nuts some 1/4inch diameter were= getting noticably warm and probably needed uprating - and it was more lik= e high voltage/high current battery telephone exchange wiring techniques= than radio.
 
What was interesting was looking at the efficiency of loops at 137kHz and= some of the modelling tools - 350ft was considered by one program (too sm= all <1%) but as you went up to 400-500 ft or more the efficiency really= does zoom up - its going to be one of those copper RF losses versus total= loop size variable but I can shove up a 500 footer loop but not with the= wanted vertical section height - so again it would probably prove not so= efficient.
 
My water table is only 11ft beneath the array so Im not expecting as good= as results on the rocky ground of Okie - but Ill proably be wrong again= - Empirical measurement rools...
 
good luck with the combiner Warren -
 
Off topic but just had a solar eclipse here - just taken on my Blackberry<= BR> http://kl1x.com/eclips= ejuly2209teda.jpg - didnt have the LF radio on this time.
 
Laurence
Kl1X China

 
> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:20:43 -0400
> From: wd2= xgj@gmail.com
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF= : Loop (was Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?)
>
> Laurence,
> > What do you think is the upper power limit for a loop using
>= coaxial cable as a conductor?
> I've run about 1.3 kW into my loop= made up of one turn RG-11 and one
> turn RG-214 (both turns paralle= l as in your case).
> Once one of the coax conductors came into cont= act with wet leaves near
> the feed point and began to burn through= the insulation and the leaves
> - the first indication was erratic= aerial currrent.
>
> I'm thinking of running two Deccas into= a combiner but not sure
> if the loop insulation is sufficient.
= >
> --
> 73 Warren K2ORS
> WD2XGJ
> WD2XSH/23=
> WE2XEB/2
> WE2XGR/
>
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at= 1:47 AM, Laurence BY3A-KL1X
> China<hellozerohellozero@hotmail.c= om> wrote:
> > Jeff - The "turns" of the mains WD2XDW loo= p were just distanced parallel
> > loops running in roughly the= same plane to reduce the RF copper losses and
> > open up the ba= ndwidth a bit - . I did try a couple of "turns" but never
> >= ; managed to get the ommppff field. Interesting given the fact that some> > people use 2 turns on their K9AY's successfully -
>= >
> > All the loops ends up welded together  on lugs and= attached to the tuner.
> > Ive just overhauled the tuner ready= to put on line for WE2XPQ but it will be
> > running lower power= for a while as I dont want to start a forest fire in
> > Alaska!=
> >
> > Back home in KL7 on August 14th again...just ne= ed time...
> >
> > laurence
> > BY3A-KL1X Tangg= u China 34degC
> > We2XPQ/ x Wd2XDW Wasilla AK
> >
&g= t; >
> >  Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?
>= ; >
> >
> > Hello Markus and Rick!
> >
&g= t; > I have only just acquainted myself with your messages.
> >= ; (Just going out from hospital, big blood pressure problem...)
> &g= t; Thanks a lot for precious information, of what make fun still!
>= > I recovered some ferrites N87 types which should work in 137 KHZ.> > Another subject interests me, it is the possibility of transmit= ting with a
> > big spool of several turns (a bit as WD2XDW). But=  EIRP is much weaker than
> > with a vertical aerial, then= it is necessary to "push more"  in power!
> >
> >= Thanks in advance!
> >
> > 73: Jeff / F6CWN
> >= ;
> >
> >
> > ________________________________<= BR>> > Windows Live=99 SkyDrive=99: Store, access, and share your ph= otos. See how.
>
>
>
> 1
>

Windows Live=99 Hotmail=AE: Celebrate the moment with your favorite spo= rts pics. 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WEB - "The VE7SL Radio Notebook": http://members.shaw.ca/ve7sl From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md01.mx.aol.com (rly-md01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.139]) by air-md08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMD082-8e64a62ddca2b3; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 04:48:15 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD016-8e64a62ddca2b3; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 04:48:12 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MSS38-0002JO-Ae for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:47:14 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MSS37-0002JF-Uv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:47:13 +0100 Received: from smtp23.services.sfr.fr ([93.17.128.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MSS2t-0003kt-FC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:47:00 +0100 Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2309.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AF816700008F for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:47:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from euro7g1ku6dl5q (146.137.87-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.87.137.146]) by msfrf2309.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 748C4700008A for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:47:03 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20090719084703477.748C4700008A@msfrf2309.sfr.fr Message-ID: <000401ca084d$7db18390$0201a8c0@euro7g1ku6dl5q> From: "Claude Berthebaud" To: References: <200907191013410054.0AE685B7@smtp2.numeo.fr> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:47:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090719-0, 19/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: F8BOJ 30-40dB over noise on 137 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello John and the group Thank you for this good control good Sunday pleasure claude F8BOJ ========== ----- Original Message ----- From: "John RABSON" To: Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 10:13 AM Subject: LF: F8BOJ 30-40dB over noise on 137 > At 1006z. > > F5VLF > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me05.mx.aol.com (rly-me05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.39]) by air-me08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINME082-9b74a65e39a55; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:50:08 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me05.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME053-9b74a65e39a55; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:49:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTHaH-0008T9-Pj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:48:53 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTHaH-0008T0-C9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:48:53 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTHa0-0007Ah-OS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:48:37 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEAIeAZUpcHCup/2dsb2JhbACEb84IhAwF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([92.28.43.169]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2009 16:48:44 +0100 Message-ID: <003f01ca0a1a$ba6fd880$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <20090721111004.NESLM.2165994.root@mp07> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:48:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Loop (was Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?) Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Use a vertical and avoid all the specified LOOP problems and directional limitations. Loops maybe for RX but for TX vertical systems, ie inv L, T top is probably the best approach on LF and MF. One wave loops on the frequency of interest on HF is a different story. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 4:10 PM Subject: Re: LF: Loop (was Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?) > Just to add a little more information on LF transmitting loops: > > Paralleling conductors is usually more effective than creating a > multi-turn loop. The extra copper loss from another turn can easily negate > the increase in field strength from that turn. > > With paralleled conductors, keep them separated so that the current will > flow over the complete outer surface of each conductor. 10cm spacing seems > reasonable as a minimum. > > My experience is limited to a single-conductor loop, and 500 watts > transmitter output. I've had two experiences with tree fires. Both were > caused by my earlier method of running the lower leg of the loop through > PVC fittings at each tree. Long screws through the fittings provided sharp > edges to scrape insulation and increase the voltage gradient between the > screw and the wire. I have long since switched to porcelain insulators for > the lower supports, with no trouble. All other contacts with the trees are > directly between the wire and the tree. I do worry about a lot of > insulation damage done last winter during and after an ice storm, but thus > far there have been no issues. > > Major starting difficulties are the voltage and current ratings of tuning > capacitors and coupling transformers. Your senses of touch and smell will > help in knowing if you have succeeded! While the voltages and currents can > be accurately calculated in advance, you may have limited information on > the components, particularly the current rating of capacitors. In general, > think big. > > And just one random thought on multi-turn receiving loops: As Jim Moritz > has pointed out a number of times, a loop of N turns can be quite nicely > replaced by a loop of one turn and an N step-up transformer. A one-turn > loop is easier to construct, and may provide a wider tuning range. > > John, W1TAG > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.21/2252 - Release Date: 07/21/09 05:58:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df08.mx.aol.com (rly-df08.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.21]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDF083-56a4a72debc1fe; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 08:08:41 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF081-56a4a72debc1fe; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 08:08:30 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MWqtR-0000yq-IS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 13:07:25 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MWqtR-0000yh-3f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 13:07:25 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.190] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MWqtM-0004sw-QP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 13:07:22 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3613.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 68D357000085 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:07:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.50.188]) by mwinf3613.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id E64F57000082 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:07:10 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090731120710943.E64F57000082@mwinf3613.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <001c01ca1145$390b2dd0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <001c01ca1145$390b2dd0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 13:06:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: cq round 502 ? 1300 hrs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006C_01CA11DF.C9F05330" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01CA11DF.C9F05330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Station calling 'cq' round 502 .on the speaker . but too low to get= the call =20 sorry - may be O ..... ?=20 Graham , io83lk ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01CA11DF.C9F05330 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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------=_NextPart_000_006C_01CA11DF.C9F05330-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg06.mx.aol.com (rly-dg06.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.90]) by air-dg03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDG033-5d44a5de8fee4; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:34:58 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg06.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG067-5d44a5de8fee4; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:34:40 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MR5Xf-0006o1-2f for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:33:07 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MR5Xe-0006ns-Mb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:33:06 +0100 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.149]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MR5XS-00046n-KZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:32:56 +0100 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so1172729qwk.16 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 07:32:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=BSL2700LyxYYR5uoRtAupkFFxRf7ChnmxH5M9/VCTLQ=; b=xE58rVpQsGavvw9BXblxB0bKbcbfqNEckm7z0CPIm72YJli/gaS8ATBuhx7EgBDY4y 1WhRtASqKxF7XfVEIoB0XfCxP/I7HC4em96kGwmJsTHeDSW2Tb9sz4h8AAU1Y0DItNUv kil9T29up5stxxXsSkxC6nzKFNMhUkQv9zCxA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=auWb88YubXIvyuxIRFdY2y5pZ45UY7Q8lrfDGBFX/gHe30CgFyETrDrSyGZUrYu0iv 2wD2f5Il5p09PPeBbt3MTWtL13WxWelPqPYVpmxPfQQQSftVvvvcS+qWyYxxDg4dxULP OPHJP2T7FmczXyaDGUqXT+KC/RZMZd4FKXV+8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.96.132 with SMTP id h4mr1396603qcn.65.1247668379370; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 07:32:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <003501ca0554$292717a0$0900a8c0@AM> References: <003501ca0554$292717a0$0900a8c0@AM> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:32:59 +1000 Message-ID: <633493520907150732x43c32e7cq872a68120ef6d267@mail.gmail.com> From: Tony Magon To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364273778cc84e046ebf6ecc X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d296.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016364273778cc84e046ebf6ecc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Re: Microwave Oven Transformers Drew Diamond VK3XU wrote an article entitled Re-Using Microwave Oven Transformers for High Voltage Power Supplies - in the WIA Magazine - Amateur Radio in March 2006 - Page 26 73 Tony Magon VK2IC --0016364273778cc84e046ebf6ecc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Re: Microwave Oven Transformers


Drew Diamond VK3XU wrote an article entitled Re-Using Microwave Oven Transformers for High Voltage Power Supplies - in the WIA Magazine - Amateur Radio in March 2006 - Page 26

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Tony Magon VK2IC
--0016364273778cc84e046ebf6ecc-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (rly-dc03.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.32]) by air-dc10.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC101-b114a54d81231b; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:32:17 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC035-b114a54d81231b; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:32:05 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MOayt-0007KE-MJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:30:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MOayt-0007K5-6r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:30:55 +0100 Received: from mail-fx0-f222.google.com ([209.85.220.222]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MOayo-0005dz-A4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:30:50 +0100 Received: by fxm22 with SMTP id 22so6623608fxm.4 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 10:30:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=me8RpoU3oAs2RDVu+u6br4U7+dcPaHtHvMow+pY0IS8=; b=gAdVNI6ashX5OrR5Bsj8Fqgflgefu/QvxYHyixRcAr7kAgj8O66f1NHhHh/ma1zGWZ WagAkrGRMr/1RozAvzpHyrnLzeLBBNySS7iLIFooj1geMb5yZcUhRuJNnEFv9s6i2Q4j 0rS7/O5/p/2fX8GjiWsRA40RArQjIeh1danWs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=RFFDI1DBvbO25goYdgd1VG2h7HyDuzSw3FRj1WmrwqnKdLqzeqCiXnLe4z7/wp5u4k y1f6YrWEG3ytKRyZY2BbHYOraP1LDo67dAgktb0QeRsWokRFozq8vbvdmKmW++h+lO30 LcM2c2UTk2J+R6r3hQtriIhZ3Oezs8s5Ub4Io= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.171.143 with SMTP id w15mr628878hbe.119.1247074247686; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 10:30:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A548D6B.3070504@btconnect.com> References: <001001c9ffc1$9cb7ec00$6401a8c0@asus> <4A548D6B.3070504@btconnect.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 18:30:47 +0100 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G4WGT Grabber Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d288.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) They are lmeasured in different ways. The noise measurement (black trace) is measured over the complete preceding 1 nminute period so approximates a good average. The signals, however, are measured only in the five second interval from :25 to :30 wher ethe beacon transmit full carrier. More info can be found on the RSGB 5MHz Working Group website as this beacon uses teh same format as those in its Tx pattern, although the pulsed sounder has been replaced with a PSK31 transmission on mine. Andy www.g4jnt.com 2009/7/8 Richard Newstead : > Gary - G4WGT wrote: >> >> Andy, LF, >> >> Thank you Andy, I was about to place an answer to David's query, his >> question has prompted me to add a little more info on the grabber page. >> >> Thanks to you both. >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> >> > > Gary > > Why don't the blue and green traces follow the noise? > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me04.mx.aol.com (rly-me04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.38]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINME063-9b44a572be12c4; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:54:17 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME048-9b44a572be12c4; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:54:10 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MPEfN-0004Rk-Uv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:53:25 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MPEfN-0004Rb-Ha for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:53:25 +0100 Received: from smtp808.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.68]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPEfH-0003Yu-1s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:53:21 +0100 Received: (qmail 43870 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2009 11:53:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=f738N23A/dPFLlbu0v4J/KdMpgQkDpjma0mm9CK2Dg9+mI589QkYAujXFKCo4twabmJaFjUCnUhl4MO7pEWw43bDCKaEh0Jw2nSzDiUe7z3JlkAlOVe9yNzeD07bgsoE0p/cnwb7bot2qRQPSQDCkxniDTrx2ti7XpRc0z/S/Ho= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.107.213 with login) by smtp808.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 11:53:13 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: 9Yuo5hMVM1ljNfoZWQ86kUX_8vE3lDYNf8_9cdhWbYG1iv3S_H8wBDlyM1b9eUIifnQ9I3TAPPgLmM8G1ITtJ1bFWye_hlsUAYTxiUvOptpppjoTvISm2mk89u5JoEpW4Edn0iXQGkmmv2EWT6Gozqw8OV1ph4aGUAMsQ16BAQTvL9oTF2n6PujA7nXy7lv9xWbRXRp6IKdebffrEodF23abDzqUv9Fz4kbUGn3afiL4yikPlFayKVhqy7bnoj3bsNhnGQMNWrDFEv9EGiwOPlMCY0mis76PDHz2xTuOoNZ7oAmFlbzx X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <76F9FB14245541C0BBCD26D651D8A9E1@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <8bf118410907100011s696aa712sbd88bd3a023e1c39@mail.gmail.com> <001401ca0147$dc500d20$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <001401ca0147$dc500d20$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:53:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Mal, LF Group, > Like I said when the big BANG comes the Appliance operator and his data > gadgets will be rendered useless, whereas a Radio Amateur with his 2 > valved RX/TX, a morse key, a piece of wire for antenna and a pedal powered > power source will communicate on... Hmm, yes. With the imminent onset of the Nuclear Winter, you really could go on forever about the WX. Or perhaps the lack of activity? Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da03.mx.aol.com (rly-da03.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.77]) by air-da09.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDA091-a5c4a5ddb30da; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:36:01 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA034-a5c4a5ddb30da; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:35:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MR4dF-0006LJ-UC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:34:49 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MR4dF-0006LA-FQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:34:49 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MR4dC-0006QS-Av for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:34:48 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAP52XUpZ8ivc/2dsb2JhbADQd4QJBQ Received: from unknown (HELO TraceyPC) ([89.242.43.220]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 14:33:39 +0100 Message-ID: <39B0A379B1804734A817CDA9E9377A13@TraceyPC> From: "Tracey Gardner" To: References: <1EDB89E6D3E24E008B4897CFE896A09F@lindavideo> <4A5DD4CB.8020109@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <4A5DD4CB.8020109@usa.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:33:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Microwave oven transformers Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 >From a Wiki, Magnetic shunts can be used to limit current or regulate voltage. This regulation is accomplished by inserting a ferrous magnetic shunt into the transformer core, such that the magnetic flux from the primary winding has an alternate (although high impedance) path around the secondary winding. As the current draw on the transformer secondary winding increases, more primary magnetic flux diverts through the magnetic shunt. Selecting different materials with suitable saturation characteristics it is possible to make transformers with a range of regulation functions. Also in microwave oven transformers - small magnetic shunts provide enough leakage inductance to resonate the doubler capacitor 73s Tracey G5VU > > Just out of curiosity, what is the purpose of those magnetic shunts when > the > microwave oven transformers are used for their intended application ? > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (rly-ma06.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.50]) by air-ma05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMA053-8b24a56e9fb255; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:13:13 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA064-8b24a56e9fb255; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:13:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MPAGZ-0003OS-BF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:11:31 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MPAGY-0003OJ-Se for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:11:30 +0100 Received: from mail-ew0-f214.google.com ([209.85.219.214]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPAGV-0001S9-VW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:11:30 +0100 Received: by ewy10 with SMTP id 10so210482ewy.4 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:11:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ETM/rdR8yqPVeMF0d2FU2rhgdoHtSnc4utjJiStzNkA=; b=k+eAfP3wTCOmAXj5A2rYWlWSr5MikTokpyGOxwp0550RKzakehsuDlUz7o0rThohkr PZgCAZiufncIBrr2GIBR4hACZlOZcDZOBLyaSLG8j8fdRTnx0dy9gQ2rF4njc2XWCNF1 E84REmpcuLEdO/DEV2Z9wbB1BlJq040p+ZynU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ctznvmi1Nm0Jh1KGCOvFGOdkbSUbWQBpbdfM2YA7wlJJXQSVAvCZw9IkdpDeHfffXX KBYWbUVY+sjkDktT/bOMaTwBtpLHpy7Fm/r23Tduaw/vLnciwMtnqdiYpaYlF1sTuVxx /za0d2IomUvcfy5JYndZZLOkAkUUHiVG4EB+4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.11.84 with SMTP id 62mr471014wew.148.1247209881933; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:11:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:11:21 +0100 Message-ID: <8bf118410907100011s696aa712sbd88bd3a023e1c39@mail.gmail.com> From: Dave Pick To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d234.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Perhaps we should encourage a Loran jamming excercise to prove that it isn't the un-jammable marvel that its cracked up to be? ;-) Dave G3YXM 2009/7/9 Dave G3WCB : > Hmmm... I can only see an electricity substation at that exact > location...the source will probably on Henley's Down or somewhere simila= r. > > It'll mess-up any GPS-disciplined beacons (LF or Microwave)for a few hou= rs! > > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Andy Talbot > Sent: 08 July 2009 22:36 > To: ukmicrowaves@yahoogroups.com; uk_beacons@yahoogroups.com; > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Fwd: Fw: Ofcom Update: Date Correction - Forthcoming GPS > jamming exercises > > > The Lat/Long converts to: > Loc. JO00FV41 > NGR =A0TQ723122 > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > --- On Wed, 8/7/09, Updates wrote: > > From: Updates > Subject: Ofcom Update: Date Correction - Forthcoming GPS jamming exercis= es > To: > Date: Wednesday, 8 July, 2009, 11:14 AM > > The MoD has informed Ofcom of the following GPS jamming exercise: > > Dates: 14th and 15th October 2009. > > Times: Maximum of two hours between the times of 08:00-12:00 and > 13:30=9615:30 each day. > > Location: Within 1km of N50=B0 53.0=92 and E000=B0 27.0=92 (Bexhill, Eas= t Sussex). > > Contact: Trial Manager (during the trial) on 07776 484226. > > ........................................................................= ... > > > --=20 G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc02.mx.aol.com (rly-dc02.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.31]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC064-b0b4a6102765c; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:00:23 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC027-b0b4a6102765c; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:00:09 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MRwOD-0004ut-Og for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 23:58:53 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MRwOD-0004uk-6p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 23:58:53 +0100 Received: from mail-bw0-f212.google.com ([209.85.218.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MRwNz-0003tY-Ue for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 23:58:40 +0100 Received: by bwz8 with SMTP id 8so1111721bwz.4 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:58:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=EOA7KDKscWWizS+/Pf8LyBeQ6BrzGm+wSQzy6QFF14I=; b=ppZl5Vg59Dh8Q9DOETI58yU9vAWHo0hxfPFeCTEqu96ENX91WgMQ+RV8qib7nb2n4s vbx9xE5HHfuAa/CMYNUX+uV3kg/dxUIsKfjAGk80wZKVlpeLJhfQdKejWaYkjEnbnG4Q wdwapipKjGGfqU/GR6CIYTEUEnENzwjW7gwMg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=uwEiiOuqid76V0mxdZxZLU/4HIk0vYpZAHMYJbB4ZCcUXbGk6YhKHHHJb53HoRy5TY 2EpCtiH7s/pHuJrblamtEs9D/mEwygx4K6s3vDnO/5wjuZ0qUp0GN8sOggaLQmlJhuUX eHaBDexz+HfbZaNRi3uyWf9a4FOdRfoR9qM9k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.61.204 with SMTP id u12mr1396766bkh.149.1247871524256; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:58:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <001901ca0721$1062dc30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> References: <001901ca0721$1062dc30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 22:58:44 +0000 Message-ID: <1d8f89cf0907171558r463f8bd7k509fb34f1238e74c@mail.gmail.com> From: Thule To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 6M Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d264.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) 2009/7/17 mal hamilton said: > I worked a few for some CW practice. Good, you could do with some.... From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (rly-ma07.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.51]) by air-ma02.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMA024-8b74a65c30d2b6; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:31:29 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA071-8b74a65c30d2b6; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:30:55 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTFPs-0007ah-4r for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:30:00 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTFPr-0007aY-At for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:29:59 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.54]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTFPm-0003Al-Fc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:29:57 +0100 X-Trace: 230242816/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.72.80/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.72.80 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArMEALdfZUpYakhQ/2dsb2JhbACCKSsjNVqHAoUehkS6MwmEAwU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,240,1246834800"; d="jpg'145?scan'145,208,217,145";a="230242816" Received: from 88-106-72-80.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.72.80]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 21 Jul 2009 14:29:49 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:29:48 +0100 Message-ID: <001801ca0a07$51bcffb0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcoJ65d0PhMV+AtRSCSe+8aNIIowGAAACzdgAAXKCKA= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: RTE 1 504khz harmonic Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01CA0A0F.B38167B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CA0A0F.B38167B0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_001A_01CA0A0F.B38167B0" ------=_NextPart_001_001A_01CA0A0F.B38167B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Mike, LF, Thanks for your reply & the FB link. I am about 160 miles (250km) from the transmitter with about 125 miles (200km) sea path. The harmonic signal on 504kHz is visible with SpecLab for about 95% of the time but the patterns I have described are random but appear to be controlled as the are instantly on or off as if by human intervention. The start of the pattern usually is slightly tapered & the finish is a fan shape as seen in the spliced images attached. The total time of this sequence yesterday (one of two) was about 80 minutes with little variation of the parallel pattern other than the start & end. Cheers, Gary - G4WGT. _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Michael Probert GW4HXO Sent: 21 July 2009 11:32 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RTE 1 504khz harmonic Hello group, The transmitter is located about 30miles NW of Dublin and is mainly a sea path down to my qth. The 2nd harmonic presence seems to vary from time to time and does not depend on which antenna I use, either pa0rdt or 20m top loaded vertical. Gary,not sure how close to the coast you are but maybe it is directly across the water from you. 73 Mike GW4HXO. _____ http://www.waniewski.de e BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter ------=_NextPart_001_001A_01CA0A0F.B38167B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Mike, LF,

 

Thanks for your reply & the FB link.

 

I am about 160 miles (250km) from the transmitter with about 125 miles (200= km) sea path.

 

The harmonic signal on 504kHz is visible with SpecLab for about 95% of the= time but the patterns I have described are random but appear to be controlled= as the are instantly on or off as if by human intervention.

 

The start of the pattern usually is slightly tapered & the finish is= a fan shape as seen in the spliced images attached. The total time of this= sequence yesterday (one of two) was about  80 minutes with little variatio= n of the parallel pattern other than the start & end.

 

Cheers,

 

Gary – G4WGT.

 

From:= owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] On Behalf Of Michael Pr= obert GW4HXO
Sent: 21 July 2009 11:3= 2
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: RTE 1 504k= hz harmonic

 

Hello group,

 

The transmitter= is located about 30miles NW of Dublin and is mainly a sea path down to my qth. The 2nd harmonic presence seems to vary from time to time and does not depend= on which antenna I use, either pa0rdt or 20m top loaded vertical.

 

Gary,not sure how close to the coast you are but maybe it is directly across the water from you.<= o:p>

 

73

 

Mike GW4HXO.

 

 

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Hello everyone. Does any one have experience in using microwave oven transformers in= high voltage power units, I acquired two of these at the weekend. I= was informed that as they stand the voltage regulation is poor, to im= prove this the 'Core Shunts' should be removed, (these are laminations= between the two stacks), removal of these 'shunts' also has the effec= t of considerably increasing the magnetisation current. The solution= to this seems to be to use two transformers, connecting the both prim= aries and secondary's in series to restore the 2KV output voltage. Any comments on this most welcome Note for Mal, this is serious stuff not for appliance operators. Regards Ken Wright 73 de M0KHW ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01CA04C0.BBA9CDA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello everyone.
Does any one have experience in using= microwave=20 oven transformers in high voltage power units, I acquired two of these= at the=20 weekend. I was informed that as they stand the voltage regulation is= poor, to=20 improve this the 'Core Shunts' should be removed, (these are laminatio= ns between=20 the two stacks), removal of these 'shunts' also has the effect of cons= iderably=20 increasing the magnetisation current. The solution to this seems to be= to use=20 two transformers, connecting the both primaries and secondary's in ser= ies to=20 restore the 2KV output voltage.
 
Any comments on this most welcome
 
Note for Mal, this is serious stuff= not for=20 appliance operators.
 
Regards
Ken Wright
 
73 de M0KHW
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01CA04C0.BBA9CDA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da06.mx.aol.com (rly-da06.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.80]) by air-da09.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDA092-a734a4b43e2355; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 07:09:30 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da06.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA063-a734a4b43e2355; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 07:09:28 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MLxf8-0005qS-GC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:07:38 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MLxer-0005pA-LJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:07:21 +0100 Received: from smtp800.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.60]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MLwkw-0000fh-CP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 11:09:36 +0100 Received: (qmail 97742 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2009 10:07:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=VIW/S+eBwAh+fKd4pdmernYUDZGiL7xl5Ek7KuVkJ0Cw7AAZSt9hREthXSJvMd3Xu3LcRlkwNf/JYuHCudDim1kp25CrlSSN6wQf7xuXBjYsvvP8b6d8RkCZXbCZZn4bXjiy3IZfaWG13H64/7WGrJgCP+OKMbyfuc0AAar+LAs= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.110.60 with login) by smtp800.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 10:07:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xK_jj08VM1nh6MD2iw6ljavHhoZ0Yhu9LIyuF4MTRloPTTBNcNes9ytvc.VlATaw0bhUmsEL.Ll4mXvy.NNIMdQof7RBE9t115eCLTXLm_G_y9OWmO9_YFDRS5wLrMolxkonLkWAyZ7VnXXBdBtWHQZN2M0_uH9B8ZZ0or014372Jzgv0WIelqA2c1ZZtvu0HWGbRAL3XIHr4T3Grt9VH5Mj6PjlPxfpxC9Np1PUe1giw0X41.Q06lao.hcUFe91uzfIIDm3XD8n6PKZoYEglkMtt2xEpUt98o3FnJfu0n8zYZE_1EI- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <419CE9EDB0A4442AA5A2AB863BE923C5@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <4A4A9857.2060604@sighthound.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4A4A9857.2060604@sighthound.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:07:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 503.7kHz - its back Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear John, Andy, LF Group, G4JNT is the usual steady ground-wave signal here. Also, at about 0040utc, heard a CW beacon sending "GM4SLV test" on 501.5kHz, reaching 559 at the peaks of slow QSB lasting several minutes. It is quite noticeable how more distant stations (SM6BHZ also) have a much "smoother" fading characteristic, not unlike 136kHz, compared to stations at a few 100kms, which vary wildly in level over shorter periods of time. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd10.mx.aol.com (rly-dd10.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.157]) by air-dd01.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDD014-ba14a5e420ee5; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:55:12 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd10.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD103-ba14a5e420ee5; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:54:40 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MRBU3-0000Qh-Pj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:53:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MRBU3-0000QY-EI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:53:47 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MRBTr-0007p1-IU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:53:36 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D56394C8176 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:53:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B82D4C8129 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:53:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A5E41D1.6090003@online.fr> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:53:37 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200907151729430361.091BDC4C@smtp2.numeo.fr> <000a01ca056e$0f4b3950$0201a8c0@euro7g1ku6dl5q> In-Reply-To: <000a01ca056e$0f4b3950$0201a8c0@euro7g1ku6dl5q> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: LF T/A [137kHz] WD2XGJ Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000302050201050804000706" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------000302050201050804000706 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Warren , LF , Good copy XGJ last night ( see capture ) 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj --------------000302050201050804000706 Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="20090715224813.jpg" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="20090715224813.jpg" /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQEASABIAAD/2wBDAAUDBAQEAwUEBAQFBQUGBwwIBwcHBw8LCwkMEQ8SEhEP ERETFhwXExQaFRERGCEYGh0dHx8fExciJCIeJBweHx7/2wBDAQUFBQcGBw4ICA4eFBEUHh4eHh4e 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X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C9FCDE.84D1A1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT 4 july ROUND 1930 ONWARDS Operating on 502.00 khz cw ,=20 RX 502 kx +/- also rx on 3533 / 7033 cw - cross band =20 Possibly operating till round 2400 hrs=20 qsl GB4FPR@HOTMAIL.CO.UK=20 Reports welcome=20 Tnx- Graham=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C9FCDE.84D1A1C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 GB4FPR  502.00 KHZ TONIGHT=   4 july=20 ROUND 1930  ONWARDS
 
Operating on 502.00  khz cw ,
 
RX 502 kx +/-  also rx on = 3533 /=20 7033  cw -  cross band 
 
Possibly operating till  round&n= bsp; 2400 hrs=20
 
 
Reports welcome
 
Tnx- Graham
 
 
 
 

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<4A548D6B.3070504@btconnect.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:45:17 +0100 Message-ID: <000901c9ffda$b68e43e0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4A548D6B.3070504@btconnect.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: Acn/xfPC2WsOVmZpTXOt8wiG/kSKEwAEzcAg X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: G4WGT Grabber Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Richard, I must admit that I don't know, I just run the software & don't carry out any processing of the data. But, I seem to remember that Andy once stated that the noise trace is carried out at a different time or something similar. As the software is reading noise when there is no signal present it could be a 1 minute average of the three 1 minute time slots, I am sure Andy will provide an explanation. There could be information about it at the RSGB link I placed on the grabber page? http://www.rsgb.org/spectrumforum/hf/beaconauto.php Cheers, Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Richard Newstead Sent: 08 July 2009 13:14 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: G4WGT Grabber Gary - G4WGT wrote: > Andy, LF, > > Thank you Andy, I was about to place an answer to David's query, his > question has prompted me to add a little more info on the grabber page. > > Thanks to you both. > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > Gary Why don't the blue and green traces follow the noise? 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (rly-mf04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.174]) by air-mf02.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMF024-95a4a5062f129f; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 04:23:28 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF048-95a4a5062f129f; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 04:23:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MNMzU-0004iW-Tg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:22:28 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MNMzU-0004iN-Bj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:22:28 +0100 Received: from psmtp13.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.25]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MNMzS-0005di-RA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:22:28 +0100 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp13.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KMA00AAAV9676@psmtp13.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:22:19 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:22:06 +0200 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <37F97C9360DA42E3AB044005A96EBE0F@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: WPF 05-07.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_uAF6oc8qkmIy8kyKjledLQ)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_uAF6oc8qkmIy8kyKjledLQ) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_gl3acoAvIf1bXe5MYTRErA)" --Boundary_(ID_gl3acoAvIf1bXe5MYTRErA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi,LF, capture WPF Henny pa3cpm 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: WPF 05-07.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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Hi,LF,
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Not sure what they do, this was info from the person who sold them to me, he seemed to know a lot about themand using them in PSUs. Maybe someone in this forum can write a short explanation for us. Ken 73deM0KHW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alberto di Bene" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:08 PM Subject: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers > Ken wrote: > >> I was informed that as they stand the voltage regulation is poor, to >> improve this the 'Core Shunts' should be removed, (these are laminations >> between the two stacks), removal of these 'shunts' also has the effect of >> considerably increasing the magnetisation current. > > Just out of curiosity, what is the purpose of those magnetic shunts when > the > microwave oven transformers are used for their intended application ? > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb05.mx.aol.com (rly-mb05.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.163]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMB054-d064a6c9ef127f; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 14:22:57 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb05.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB052-d064a6c9ef127f; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 14:22:43 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MV8Lw-0005St-Cc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:21:44 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MV8Lt-0005Sk-KZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:21:41 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-2.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.243] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MV8Lo-0004KT-Rx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:21:39 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwEAPM6bEpOlHk5/2dsb2JhbACCVIIbx06EDQU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.148.121.57]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2009 19:21:31 +0100 Message-ID: <006501ca0e1d$e61e0d10$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <004e01ca0e08$4e2b7ac0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <009501ca0e19$b3045fa0$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:21:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: RE: BEACON Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0062_01CA0E26.4787F900" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01CA0E26.4787F900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thats encouraging Gary. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gary - G4WGT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 6:51 PM Subject: LF: RE: BEACON=20 Mal, =20 EI0CF beacon received here at good strength & If you look, Finbar's= beacon can be seen on both UK grabbers (G4WGT & G3YXM). =20 Gary - G4WGT. =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 26 July 2009 16:47 To: rsgb Subject: LF: BEACON=20 =20 EI0CF QTH EJM in beacon mode. Am I the only one receiving this beacon. What about the grabbers? de g3kev =20 I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.30/2262 - Release Date: 07= /25/09 18:01:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01CA0E26.4787F900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thats encouraging Gary.
de mal/g3kev
 
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Mal,

 

EI0CF=20 beacon received here at good strength & If you look, Finbar=92s= beacon can=20 be seen on both UK grabbers (G4WGT &=20 G3YXM).

 

Gary=20 =96 G4WGT.

 

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From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 26 July 2009 16:47To: rsgb
Subject: LF: BEACON

 

EI0CF QTH EJM in beacon=20 mode.

Am I the only one receiving this= =20 beacon. What about the grabbers?

de=20 g3kev

 

 
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------=_NextPart_000_0062_01CA0E26.4787F900-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (rly-mb03.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.161]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMB044-cf94a5ddb3038a; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:36:09 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB035-cf94a5ddb3038a; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:35:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MR4dM-0006LW-AT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:34:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MR4dL-0006LN-SG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:34:55 +0100 Received: from mout3.freenet.de ([195.4.92.93]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MR4dA-0002qj-Q0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:34:45 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.15] (helo=5.mx.freenet.de) by mout3.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID exim) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #92) id 1MR4dI-0003YO-0G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:34:52 +0200 Received: from www14.emo.freenet-rz.de ([194.97.107.207]:42508) by 5.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID exim) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #93) id 1MR4cm-0007XI-4i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:34:20 +0200 Received: from www-data by www14.emo.freenet-rz.de with local (Exim 4.67 1 (Panther_1)) id 1MR4ck-00019O-GI for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:34:18 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: dl4yhf@freenet.de X-Priority: 3 X-Abuse: 505770703 / 213.182.109.203 User-Agent: freenetMail MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:34:18 +0200 X-purgate-ID: 149285::1247664860-00002CDC-6E574B40/0-0/0-0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) These special transformers need the magnetic bypass because a magnetron lo= oks (as a load) like a Z diode. So they are powered, more or less, with a constant current source rather= than a constant voltage source. In other words, the "generator" (transformer) must have a large source imp= edance, and that's what the magnetic bypass in the 'former does. Cheers, Wolf . ----- original Nachricht -------- Betreff: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers Gesendet: Mi 15 Jul 2009 15:23:54 CEST Von: "Ken" > Hi. > Not sure what they do, this was info from the person who sold them to me= , he >=20 > seemed to know a lot about themand using them in PSUs. Maybe someone in= this >=20 > forum can write a short explanation for us. >=20 > Ken >=20 > 73deM0KHW >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Alberto di Bene" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:08 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers >=20 >=20 > > Ken wrote: > > > >> I was informed that as they stand the voltage regulation is poor, to= =20 > >> improve this the 'Core Shunts' should be removed, (these are laminati= ons >=20 > >> between the two stacks), removal of these 'shunts' also has the effec= t of >=20 > >> considerably increasing the magnetisation current. > > > > Just out of curiosity, what is the purpose of those magnetic shunts wh= en=20 > > the > > microwave oven transformers are used for their intended application ? > > > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --- original Nachricht Ende ---- #adBox3 {display:none;} From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc02.mx.aol.com (rly-mc02.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.86]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMC024-d5d4a506da3299; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 05:08:55 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC025-d5d4a506da3299; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 05:08:53 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MNNhz-0005Au-P2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:08:27 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MNNhz-0005Al-BE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:08:27 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.53]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MNNhx-0005xU-4E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:08:27 +0100 X-Trace: 224894882/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.66.227/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.66.227 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ak0HAMgKUEpYakLj/2dsb2JhbACDLIdNgkeCNrptCYQJBQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,351,1243810800"; d="scan'208";a="224894882" Received: from 88-106-66-227.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.66.227]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 05 Jul 2009 10:08:24 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: , , <4A503BF8.31954.163F21@dave.davesergeant.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 10:08:24 +0100 Message-ID: <002d01c9fd50$26b18930$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acn9M2z2FstQo1wpSSCCzAGIAZHKWAAHCfAg In-Reply-To: <4A503BF8.31954.163F21@dave.davesergeant.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: Re: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Dave, LF, You wrote :- "579 here in Bracknell, IO91PJ. I assume it was at your QTH Graham?" GB4FPR was operating from the Fort. http://www.gb4imd.org.uk/fortperch.htm 73 Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave Sergeant Sent: 05 July 2009 06:37 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS On 5 Jul 2009 at 1:24, James Moritz wrote: > Dear Graham, LF Group, > > Tried replying to your CQs a couple of times around 2200utc, but no > response - perhaps that receiver does need a look... > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > 579 here in Bracknell, IO91PJ. I assume it was at your QTH Graham? Was not in a position to call last night, but judging from other comments I guess you would have never heard my milliwatts... I was a bit mystified to see Chris G3XIZ (always 599+ many) call you and not a dickey bird of a response, maybe the receiver does need a bit of work doing on it... 73 Dave G3YMC http://www.davesergeant.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb06.mx.aol.com (rly-mb06.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.164]) by air-mb06.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMB062-d0e4a5e3ec82ff; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:41:04 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb06.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB062-d0e4a5e3ec82ff; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:40:42 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MRBFw-0000Hp-4b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:39:12 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MRBFv-0000Hg-Ix for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:39:11 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpm-eml105.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.9]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MRBFr-0002eC-U1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:39:10 +0100 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 ([81.204.139.159]) by CPSMTPM-EML105.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6001.18000); Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:39:01 +0200 Message-ID: <739698B75D344BD8A9819C8C0F1EDB80@ns94d01ae4d850> From: "henny van elst" To: "blacksheep" Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:39:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2009 20:39:01.0104 (UTC) FILETIME=[48F4BF00:01CA058C] X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: captur f8boj.jpg Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01CA059D.0BEAEBF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01CA059D.0BEAEBF0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0004_01CA059D.0BEAEBF0" ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01CA059D.0BEAEBF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi LF, Capture F8BOJ Henny pa3cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden ver= zonden: captur f8boj.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virus= sen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe.= Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt wete= n hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01CA059D.0BEAEBF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi LF,
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OK0EMW Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-2"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Lubos, LF! OK0EMW audible last night, ~21.20z! mp3-file: http://rn3agc.msk.ru/sound/090728-ok0emw-cw.mp3 73 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma02.mx.aol.com (rly-ma02.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.46]) by air-ma09.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMA093-8934a5876e41ab; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:26:40 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA025-8934a5876e41ab; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:26:31 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MPahs-0008Ud-VM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:25:28 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MPahs-0008UU-JM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:25:28 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-2.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.243] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPahk-0004v8-PN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:25:21 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap0EAOMTWEpOlVV4/2dsb2JhbACEbcgNhAkF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.149.85.120]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 12:25:20 +0100 Message-ID: <003c01ca021a$4612e890$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <20090710205142.789D420040@smtp.hushmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:22:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 MSG auto killed no signature g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 9:51 PM Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises > > Also auto killed - no sense, as usual... > > > On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:03:40 +0000 mal hamilton > wrote: >>MSG auto killed no signature >>g3kev > > -- > Online Stock Trading - Straightforward pricing. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.10/2230 - Release Date: 07/10/09 17:57:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da03.mx.aol.com (rly-da03.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.77]) by air-da01.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDA014-a5f4a6896adf2; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:58:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA037-a5f4a6896adf2; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:58:23 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MU1bH-00058b-Rw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:56:59 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MU1bH-00058S-BG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:56:59 +0100 Received: from smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.17]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MU1bD-0000WC-Es for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:56:57 +0100 Received: (qmail 2817 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2009 16:56:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=TAhljeK1Ca0Jqqr/XtZlKc9h7xtWA2hjKqISvr1SrvcKZhQBWlG/trRdTvQoJMpmDgXVcfQqtmHTWC4czD3X78hEW/8fQR7c1OFeoSOAfeJ7Txg02PyWW+Q8ukhuoJ/gT+ZCaQIDNvZah8VmMo4IREezzTHQ048gtjRsrt1GQxM= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Lark) (alan.melia@213.122.62.230 with login) by smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2009 16:56:49 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: KHdpK2OswBBXlm4uxknbEiS4uYdJoGknHN90u4K8__lTafnafZg- X-YMail-OSG: MXtRUzsVM1lsZBGuegbzy3o5kRunOC.Mdtcmf8Ka9L4n2Q9IufQMJ49H_elRzMZ47swYlcuP5aNSLswTaMjAnNa3NzqMPY1WUQSyPi3T75XhmEgvEq2akrs5aj5Z1dyylInvpk_hscIxODdocicMCW3t1HuJsw4OYidB2oN2FU6Td0cPJjy35yIF7hdupS5HKgKgS6CW5pAzZnXxt52fxw7n5IfaPI2UKI8SWHfKMkk67mkEnpNJjUTMmYmNAXiRgyeDeD_SrYAiMzQjvlhVsbwtP7pALMz6.ydJ0cEmqFJWOepRCsAHOV_VUq9CKposxVmbPPy0aJ8Znhx40fiOzYUwxOkUAaqsfSBzAzg- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <00a001ca0bb6$9466d100$0900a8c0@AM> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <000001ca0922$9cf3c580$6401a8c0@asus> <006501ca0926$8f4743e0$0900a8c0@AM> <4A681267.9010602@online.fr> <57a24ca70907230856t4877342erfb2c84bc4891fee7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:56:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: [137kHz] T/A WD2XGJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Warren and listeners.....yes there was a sudden KP=6 which depressed the Dst to -65nT and Steve W4EEE's plot of DCF39 was noticably lower than previous night. I think things should recover fairly quickly the Dst was back to -30nT this morning. So there might be slighly lower signals levels for a night or so before it returns to what it was. Thanks for the beacon Warren and the nice pic of the gear !! Best Wishes Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" To: Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 4:56 PM Subject: Re: LF: [137kHz] T/A WD2XGJ Hi Jean-Pierre, Thanks for the report. I ran full power for one 'XGJ' string, just bad conditions. -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 3:33 AM, "Jean-Pierre Méré (F1AFJ)" wrote: > Hi Warren , LF , > > Just a small trace last night ! > Or the propagation are very bad ? > Or Warren forgot to bring PA ! > Or perhaps spots of the sun of these last days > > 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb08.mx.aol.com (rly-mb08.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.166]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMB052-d234a6460511bf; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:17:39 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB087-d234a6460511bf; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:17:26 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MSrmm-0004jP-NB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:16:04 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MSrmm-0004jG-7x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:16:04 +0100 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MSrmW-0005az-7M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:15:49 +0100 Received: (qmail 5662 invoked by uid 507); 20 Jul 2009 14:15:44 +0200 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2009 14:15:44 +0200 Message-ID: <200907201415500018.10EA9B02@smtp2.numeo.fr> In-Reply-To: <20541.82.92.124.189.1248088034.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <20541.82.92.124.189.1248088034.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:15:50 +0200 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: 504khz harmonic. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 How did EJM (Malin Head Radio) cope on 500? 73 John F5VLF *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 20/07/2009 at 13:07 Roelof Bakker wrote: >Hello Alan, Gary, > >The harmonic of RTE 252 on 504 kHz has been reported all over Westen >Europe on all kind of antennas as does not seem to be an antenna or >receiver anomaly. > >Best regards, >Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df07.mx.aol.com (rly-df07.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.20]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDF033-5664a5661cb1da; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:32:14 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF077-5664a5661cb1da; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:31:57 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MP1CY-0002iv-C6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:30:46 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MP1CX-0002im-RB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:30:45 +0100 Received: from smtp807.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.67]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MP1CV-00054u-Fl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:30:45 +0100 Received: (qmail 53056 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 21:30:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Importance:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To; b=jIiME0Cs48FV19cp/Abe5QIckFBLRHNs5tv4Qbgm5ByRGBMerQyoyaT1fwqBemWtrMX1jrpyxM2OgLTiPdNeNWMAN862hJWGKUC4w5ODYL+yzyTfCTbaBv3ITrfdjd6DKsoqx60jFWy3OmiJqrIbeN/ZmbQqDNj2tgMFVL7fFaM= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@81.154.12.220 with login) by smtp807.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 21:30:37 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: JSvqNSWswBBXc9Mk_Vd71RtGz2bViJtuZMADdmi78eLqBj_R7.fL X-YMail-OSG: xJobs5gVM1lZ0gg6reFAc_yu.hYz6_yGisUz0LS5.tx0GUyA606iUSCXz1pMWTnfVTJvJp5uAwPJmmJbRwd21btmbjzLUAmb1uxTbhjkQ6QhoviOvMIpGO9JYFxabtUr91s9x0hK8h0CKOS2q9sj4MD0QjR_Te9CqqXV94H_h3it5S9UKsf27KiSSvMCOp5vTXYSK3S35TfOhV92GoPIloC3WLiYtUdp.LywC46d1uJBUyDhUK0mRneNgBZw8SgFM2jzgHD8Rq0lPu1zDyxy1jMHVjlTPB9BtbzQAeGF.OEVpgdYErdGeUimz6IxfFqxNBnsdyYDiwOi04LgEqcRbFVOUd9W7kqCmmxALQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 22:30:57 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hmmm... I can only see an electricity substation at that exact location...the source will probably on Henley's Down or somewhere similar. It'll mess-up any GPS-disciplined beacons (LF or Microwave)for a few hours! 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Andy Talbot Sent: 08 July 2009 22:36 To: ukmicrowaves@yahoogroups.com; uk_beacons@yahoogroups.com; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Fwd: Fw: Ofcom Update: Date Correction - Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises The Lat/Long converts to: Loc. JO00FV41 NGR TQ723122 Andy www.g4jnt.com --- On Wed, 8/7/09, Updates wrote: From: Updates Subject: Ofcom Update: Date Correction - Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises To: Date: Wednesday, 8 July, 2009, 11:14 AM The MoD has informed Ofcom of the following GPS jamming exercise: Dates: 14th and 15th October 2009. Times: Maximum of two hours between the times of 08:00-12:00 and 13:30–15:30 each day. Location: Within 1km of N50° 53.0’ and E000° 27.0’ (Bexhill, East Sussex). Contact: Trial Manager (during the trial) on 07776 484226. ........................................................................... From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df02.mx.aol.com (rly-df02.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.15]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDF012-5354a5f201029f; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 08:42:01 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF028-5354a5f201029f; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 08:41:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MRQGF-00056B-3V for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:40:31 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MRQGE-000562-Ip for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:40:30 +0100 Received: from mail-yx0-f179.google.com ([209.85.210.179]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MRQGB-0007xs-0c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:40:29 +0100 Received: by yxe9 with SMTP id 9so119280yxe.30 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 05:40:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=iX47PqwYkvf21iePlWurcOFnfnki/udHY1Oi/g0oLGs=; b=MObKH55YxjZOs4t2r+aQbUZEhkx2hbHHSWLNfuvSKRXWE/ORetAeGHp3em+79vloyW hccY2s2RTMf+H7WmenUiPhfXY6hah881aOO7kD1Pmk7GZol4MEeiQG+Bw/N9egqr8qui WH4D3oCAV7BXiGbS85rZoGC/0+0BWVbDS8PRQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=IkwZiNi18lvI1lFcm/YUUafHaUXCs4DMMpkfFEAIhyEqMQeNR45v8Nke7fgIGRB4WW hzxbZHNHgXm+vUFpfj+8O7/B/7qyr1prSEabEGd4ZFsZSEqtoD45sPMMbqis5e9VEZ8y S0pAF9PaiNetHj0zsUpEqa//oamqIwc/3ZimQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.186.15 with SMTP id j15mr14557203ybf.201.1247748019893; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 05:40:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A5EF0DC.4020703@online.fr> References: <32A397601B41446080BDA56C913775B5@ns94d01ae4d850> <001e01ca05f3$c5589870$0201a8c0@euro7g1ku6dl5q> <4A5EF0DC.4020703@online.fr> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 08:40:19 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70907160540m113228a0x58210c026f36252@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 07-16-2009..info's f8boj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d257.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Henny, Claude, Jean-Pierre, Thank you for the excellent 'XGJ' captures! --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 5:20 AM, "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 (F1AFJ)" wrote: > Hi Claude , Henny , Warren , > > Yes the propagation is very good on 2200 in this July (it is in general= the > worst month with August) > > 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj > > Claude Berthebaud a =E9crit : >> >> Hello Warren,LF group >> Very good copy this morning with L inverted antenna and my yaesu FT990 >> pleasure Claude F8boj > > henny van elst a =E9crit : >> >> Hi Warren LF, >> capture xgj,with qrm >> henny pa3cpm >> 73s >> > --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de12.mx.aol.com (rly-de12.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.148]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDE071-51d4a5067752d1; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 04:42:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de12.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE124-51d4a5067752d1; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 04:42:31 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MNNI7-0004x0-12 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:41:43 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MNNI6-0004wr-KX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:41:42 +0100 Received: from smtp23.services.sfr.fr ([93.17.128.19]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MNNI4-0001pl-RZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:41:41 +0100 Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2318.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0A6637000090 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 10:41:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from euro7g1ku6dl5q (67.228.197-77.rev.gaoland.net [77.197.228.67]) by msfrf2318.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with SMTP id C9BD07000089 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 10:41:35 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20090705084135826.C9BD07000089@msfrf2318.sfr.fr Message-ID: <002201c9fd4c$67e60740$0201a8c0@euro7g1ku6dl5q> From: "Claude Berthebaud" To: References: <200907051027430187.0906DDAA@smtp2.numeo.fr> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 10:41:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090704-0, 04/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: 137kHz F8BOJ 40 to 50 dB above noise Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 hi John Thank you very much John for the control .. I am up to 12h you qrv Good Sunday Regards Claude F8boj ----- Original Message ----- From: "John RABSON" To: Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 10:27 AM Subject: LF: 137kHz F8BOJ 40 to 50 dB above noise > At 0826z. > > John F5VLF > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md04.mx.aol.com (rly-md04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.142]) by air-md07.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMD073-8fc4a6c446221f; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 07:56:28 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD044-8fc4a6c446221f; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 07:56:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MV2Jg-0004aL-Ar for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:55:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MV2Jf-0004aA-Mr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:54:59 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s28.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.39]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MV2JJ-0001Ze-PB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:54:39 +0100 Received: from BLU146-W25 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s28.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 26 Jul 2009 04:54:49 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [117.12.238.242] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 03:54:49 -0800 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2009 11:54:49.0347 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0CABD30:01CA0DE7] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_0101a2f8-d81e-4f39-8395-295612d773d1_" Subject: LF: gw3uep 100w qtx X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_0101a2f8-d81e-4f39-8395-295612d773d1_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 I was whistling with some time to spare in 9V and built the 25W version th= en did a messy retro to convert it to the 100W version using the single IR= F640. =20 With 24V applied the dummy load (2 x 10W 100 ohm wire wound in parallel-= all that was available to me) gets smoking hot within a min which is eith= er a good sign if you like RF but not good if your a resistor....no compos= ites or more RF friendly available. =20 http://uk500khz.googlegroups.com/web/MFCW100WPA_220709.gif =20 Wonder if anyone can tell me if theyve noticed any heating of L2 and to a= lesser extent L3. Nothing hot just warm so some losses. This maybe due to= the load but perhaps not. =20 Has anyone had to add a sink on TR2 the pass device due to higher temps at= 5A ? =20 The IRF device is Cold at full output (and I do mean Cold) which is a very= good sign. All caps are cold (I paralled Polys to get to the right figure= ) =20 Im without test equipment here in China with just a multimeter but it appe= ars all is well...so hence the questions. =20 All readings are as Roger et al described... with thanks =20 Laurence KL1X in BY3a =20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99 Hotmail=AE: Celebrate the moment with your favorite sports= pics. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=3DTXT_TAG= LM_WL_QA_HM_sports_photos_072009&cat=3Dsports=3D --_0101a2f8-d81e-4f39-8395-295612d773d1_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  

I was whistling with some time to spare in 9V and built the 25W versio= n then did a messy retro to convert it to the 100W version using the= single IRF640.
 
With 24V applied the dummy load (2 x 10W 100 ohm wire wound  in= parallel- all that was available to me) gets smoking hot within a min whi= ch is either a good sign if you like RF but not good if your a resistor...= .no composites or more RF friendly available.
 
htt= p://uk500khz.googlegroups.com/web/MFCW100WPA_220709.gif
 
Wonder if anyone can tell me if theyve noticed any heating of L2 and to a= lesser extent L3. Nothing hot just warm so some losses. This maybe due to= the load but perhaps not.
 
Has anyone had to add a sink on TR2 the pass device due to higher temps at= 5A ?
 
The IRF device is Cold at full output (and I do mean Cold) which is a very= good sign. All caps are cold (I paralled Polys to get to the right figure= )
 
Im without test equipment here in China with just a multimeter but it appe= ars all is well...so hence the questions.
 
All readings are as Roger et al described... with thanks
 
Laurence KL1X in BY3a
 
 

Windows Live=99 Hotmail=AE: Celebrate the moment wit= h your favorite sports pics. Check it out. =3D --_0101a2f8-d81e-4f39-8395-295612d773d1_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (rly-mg08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.114]) by air-mg09.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMG092-a2b4a4b77c312c; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 10:51:13 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG085-a2b4a4b77c312c; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 10:50:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MM17e-0006Rx-Mj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:49:18 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MM17e-0006Ro-3v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:49:18 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.53]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MM17Y-0003hv-7u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:49:18 +0100 X-Trace: 223246383/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.66.227/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.66.227 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsQEAFAUS0pYakLj/2dsb2JhbACCKStXVYZxhHbAMgmEBwWBOA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,324,1243810800"; d="scan'208,217";a="223246383" Received: from 88-106-66-227.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.66.227]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 01 Jul 2009 15:49:11 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <002101c9f9b2$086fcf50$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 15:49:11 +0100 Message-ID: <007a01c9fa5b$186ffc50$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: Acn5y14mzSXlHGYQSZKo0MhDsHGaAwAjxoEg X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: RE: 503.7kHz - its back Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007B_01C9FA63.7A346450" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C9FA63.7A346450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Andy, LF, Yes, it seems OK now. I didn't announce the fact as I wasn't sure. I carried out a repair to the dongle type USB sound card I was using for 503.7kHz, I found that the solder had cracked were the PCB connects to the USB connector. Cheers, Gary - G4WGT. _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot Sent: 30 June 2009 22:37 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: 503.7kHz - its back You seem to have got it working now (22:30a) Andy G4JNT wobbleU cubed .g4jnt.kom 2009/6/30 Gary - G4WGT Andy, LF, Unable to restart the 503.7kHz grabber at the moment due to usb sound card failure. Will be on as soon as a replacement card is available. 73 Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot Sent: 30 June 2009 10:38 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 503.7kHz - its back My beacon on 503.7kHz is back on. 04/19/34/49 minutes past the hour ~+25dBm EIRP. Callsign, power steps, full power carrier 25 - 30 seconds then PSK31 from :30s Andy www.g4jnt.com ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C9FA63.7A346450 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Andy, LF,

 

Yes, it seems OK now. I didn’t announce the fact as I wasn’t sure.=

 

I carried out a repair to the dongle type USB sound card I was using for 503.7kHz, I found that the solder had cracked were the PCB connects to= the USB connector.

 

Cheers,

 

Gary – G4WGT.

 

From:= owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot
Sent: 30 June 2009 22:3= 7
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: RE: 50= 3.7kHz - its back

 

You seem to hav= e got it working now (22:30a)
Andy  G4JNT
wobbleU cubed .g4jnt.kom

2009/6/30 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>

Andy, LF,

Unable to restart the 503.7kHz grabber at the moment due to usb sound= card
failure.

Will be on as soon as a replacement card is available.

73

Gary - G4WGT.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb= _lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rs= gb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot<= br> Sent: 30 June 2009 10:38
To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org
Subject: LF: 503.7kHz - its back

My beacon on 503.7kHz is back on.  04/19/34/49 minutes past the= hour
~+25dBm EIRP.  Callsign, power steps, full power carrier 25 - 30<= br> seconds then PSK31 from :30s


Andy
www.g4jnt.com<= br>

 

------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C9FA63.7A346450-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (rly-dc07.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.36]) by air-dc09.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC093-b324a53c5a0152; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:01:20 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC076-b324a53c5a0152; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:01:08 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MOIho-0004Ig-K0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:00:04 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MOIhn-0004IX-OP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:00:03 +0100 Received: from imr-m06.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.200]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MOIhk-0007ZA-Rs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:00:03 +0100 Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-m06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a53c53734c; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:59:19 -0400 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.bbe.506b75ae (65097) for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 17:59:39 -0400 (EDT) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 17:59:39 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5047 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: G4WGT Grabber Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1247003979" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 -------------------------------1247003979 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 07/07/2009 20:54:29 GMT Standard Time, g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk writes: Please have a look & I will be interested in your comments. Looks good to me. Thanks for the resource. On the third plot, what are the green black blue and red traces? Thanks David -------------------------------1247003979 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 07/07/2009 20:54:29 GMT Standard Time,=20 g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk writes:

 

Please have a look & I will be interested in= your=20 comments.

 

Looks good to me. Thanks for the resource.
 
On the third plot, what are the green black blue and red traces?
 
Thanks
 
David
 -------------------------------1247003979-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (rly-dd09.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.156]) by air-dd07.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDD074-b9e4a70b3f22ab; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:41:41 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD098-b9e4a70b3f22ab; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:41:24 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MWFwD-000437-Vu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:39:49 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MWFwC-00042y-Ui for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:39:48 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-4-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.55]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MWFw7-0003XX-JT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:39:46 +0100 X-Trace: 234152979/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.72.80/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.72.80 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiAFAIRQcEpYakhQ/2dsb2JhbACCKisiATWHYIU0xBAJhAgFgUk X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,290,1246834800"; d="scan'208,217";a="234152979" Received: from 88-106-72-80.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.72.80]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 29 Jul 2009 21:39:42 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF -RSGB LF Group" Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:39:42 +0100 Message-ID: <004501ca108c$b3890e10$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcoQjLLYGmb8xjiERECq3q9YzNKf4g== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: G4WGT grabber Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01CA1095.154D7610" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01CA1095.154D7610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, In an attempt to improve the performance of Grab1 & Grab2 at http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html I have replaced the RF pre-amp before the Softrock Lite SDR which I use to receive the 500kHz signals. The replacement is a broadband low noise type (M0BMU design) & will hopefully provide a better SNR over the previous tuneable one which required regular tweaking. I have also split the band into two SpecLab displays with Grab1 covering 499 to 504.4kHz & Grab2 covering 504.4 to 510kHz. I think this is a better approach than the original 500 to 510kHz. The 503.7kHz beacon grabber remains the same as before using the JRC NRD-345. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO. I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01CA1095.154D7610 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

In an attempt to im= prove the performance of Grab1 & Grab2 at http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/gra= bber2.html

I have replaced the= RF pre-amp before the Softrock Lite SDR which I use to receive the 500kHz signals.

 

The replacement is= a broadband low noise type (M0BMU design) & will hopefully provide a better SNR over the= previous tuneable one which required regular tweaking.=

 

I have also split= the band into two SpecLab displays with Grab1 covering 499 to 504.4kHz & Grab2 covering 504.= 4 to 510kHz. I think this is a better approach than the original 500 to 510= kHz.

 

The 503.7kHz beacon= grabber remains the same as before using the JRC NRD-345.

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO.

 

 
I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean.
It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter
------=_NextPart_000_0046_01CA1095.154D7610-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (rly-mg10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.116]) by air-mg02.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMG024-a384a64501c230; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:08:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG102-a384a64501c230; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:08:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MSqiD-0004LA-VW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:07:17 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MSqiD-0004L1-Ip for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:07:17 +0100 Received: from smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.24]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MSqhy-00058L-1M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:07:02 +0100 Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl (dovemail11.xs4all.nl [194.109.26.13]) by smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n6KB79EV035192 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:07:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Received: from 82.92.124.189 (SquirrelMail authenticated user pa0rdt) by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:07:14 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <20541.82.92.124.189.1248088034.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:07:14 +0200 (CEST) From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: 504khz harmonic. Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Alan, Gary, The harmonic of RTE 252 on 504 kHz has been reported all over Westen Europe on all kind of antennas as does not seem to be an antenna or receiver anomaly. Best regards, Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg05.mx.aol.com (rly-dg05.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.89]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDG051-5cb4a5ce7536f; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:15:27 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg05.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG058-5cb4a5ce7536f; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:15:17 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MQoOD-0003pY-Qz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:14:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MQoOD-0003pP-40 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:14:13 +0100 Received: from web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.126]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MQoO3-0005Pz-3Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:14:03 +0100 Received: (qmail 60086 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jul 2009 20:14:06 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1247602445; bh=oousNsW4ZlwM1McRNHDnaQmT6LfLpEQgjZ7nzb2zu58=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uyhAy1Q2e0bqgsgu7xKY9EyFbqubvKXQCeJV2x3kO1m4BMK1hxhY9YMlXMyLQB3ur2BUIw72bOSDn2NrGFqAF5eTF9JvWuUcTG7eZSa2gwvXE3iWV9XUtPAZHqfkRDCsTMQC6DpGIHB/ai8/6ACVh1L7aTylfbK1TT9BpswTt60= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BDbSjDehBrZjMSBX/BB1w300Z/5dgS9oDA8Ktgc9xLz9c5iqV9XtlwbncPWjc6saTTINMg6msiHBCDFGivlVddiUGix6OaOWnJenk2e5BOGMk8NY7gmkVQep15+VWac+VQ/SXF+nI0aQDSoB/xB9A1n7RTuJovF5fa/1wlpe6VI=; Message-ID: <942004.58848.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: OBhvKcEVM1mwlnzWva8HWvTVtdC05kfW_7nHHim4BLeahambvLuVETFUtUPw3YzGhhh_W.nHcq7pwaFwkFdCSIsqAfELLyiBYTkmGiy5v1m1alxFmeuDVZp8MYvrx4LKZ_tIXnq4jGXfd51baRIymW.hT_aM3OpFPW_lNSITl53.r_qjLsSj3iEWgGnVkIjkXQM8bPjH6bAfUVci.HelTwmMZ2SjNUHkU.RoJXYuWIzv_CjAvGJkStVUUFHOG9L51rxVoXrxFuNpLZR55ZbN.8IXLroiso9mA2WohXguQvLLqXVP1CHYNZVj4k05KLioiAbCCF2DG1l_vkGbzXS9QfXcvJRIjkJFtOEj9k7GtlczQQ-- Received: from [81.152.20.6] by web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:14:05 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.0.18 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:14:05 +0000 (GMT) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <59B43DAF72704927B6E58971E3B9D56A@lindavideo> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: Re: (QSX)....... RE: Microwave oven transformers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2091529577-1247602445=:58848" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=EXCUSE_16,HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d280.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-2091529577-1247602445=:58848 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ken =C2=A0 Off your topic but had to relate that while on holiday last week on the cl= iff tops at Corton nr Lowestoft (abt 95miles) I copied you working Chris= G3XIZ. I was using a 80m dipole up 6m and an unmodified Kenwood TS50s you= were a very readable signal a couple of S points down on Chris but Solid= copy!! FB signal there Ken. Prior to your QSO I worked Chris QSX (sort of= ) me on 3.566. I called a few times but I guess you were not set up for QS= X? =C2=A0 Anyway nice copy there on 500 Ken. =C2=A0 73 petefmt --- On Tue, 14/7/09, Ken wrote: From: Ken Subject: LF: Re: RE: Microwave oven transformers To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tuesday, 14 July, 2009, 8:33 PM Jim. There will probably be a fair bit of technical smoke comimg out of Luton,= but that is what our hobby is all about, any other usefull sugestions? =C2=A0 Krgards. Ken 73deM0KHW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: James Cowburn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 8:28 PM Subject: LF: RE: Microwave oven transformers Tesla Roulette!! =C2=A0 With best regards =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jim =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Dr. James Cowburn 26 Birch Close Broom Biggleswade Beds SG18 9NR =C2=A0 T=20 =20 --0-2091529577-1247602445=:58848 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ken
 
Off your topic but had to relate that while on holiday last week on= the cliff tops at Corton nr Lowestoft (abt 95miles) I copied you working= Chris G3XIZ. I was using a 80m dipole up 6m and an unmodified Kenwood TS5= 0s you were a very readable signal a couple of S points down on Chris but= Solid copy!! FB signal there Ken. Prior to your QSO I worked Chris QSX (s= ort of) me on 3.566. I called a few times but I guess you were not set up= for QSX?
 
Anyway nice copy there on 500 Ken.
 
73 petefmt

--- On Tue, 14/7/09, Ken <ken.h.wright@bti= nternet.com> wrote:

From: Ken <ken.h.wright@btinternet.com><= BR>Subject: LF: Re: RE: Microwave oven transformers
To: rsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org
Date: Tuesday, 14 July, 2009, 8:33 PM

Jim.
There will probably be a fair bit of tech= nical smoke comimg out of Luton, but that is what our hobby is all about,= any other usefull sugestions?
 
Krgards.
Ken
73deM0KHW
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 8:28= PM
Subject: LF: RE: Microwave oven tra= nsformers

Tesla Roulette!!

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With best regards

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Jim

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Dr. James Cowburn

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Biggleswade

Beds

SG18 9NR

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Hello everyone.

Does any one have experience in using microwave= oven transformers in high voltage power units, I acquired two of these at= the weekend. I was informed that as they stand the voltage regulation is= poor, to improve this the 'Core Shunts' should be removed, (these are lam= inations between the two stacks), removal of these 'shunts' also has the= effect of considerably increasing the magnetisation current. The solution= to this seems to be to use two transformers, connecting the both primarie= s and secondary's in series to restore the 2KV output voltage.

 

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Note for Mal, this is serious stuff not for app= liance operators.

 

Regards

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E=Sophos;i="4.43,240,1246834800"; d="scan'208";a="229616790" Received: from 88-106-72-80.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.72.80]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 21 Jul 2009 14:47:31 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <000001ca0922$9cf3c580$6401a8c0@asus> <006501ca0926$8f4743e0$0900a8c0@AM> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:47:29 +0100 Message-ID: <002101ca0a09$ca6f84d0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <006501ca0926$8f4743e0$0900a8c0@AM> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcoJJvNfBIwjCI4ZToW3+9YnpnWIYAA4R8sA X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: Re: 504khz harmonic. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Alan, LF, >You wrote :- >Do you get the same effect on a wire, or passive antenna? The pattern has come on again today at 1312utc & I have received it on my resonant 500 kHz vertical Tx antenna using my 500kHz transverter with a TS-440 & the pattern is present as described previously. I think this concludes that it is not the Mini-Whip antenna or receiver. So what can it be caused by? Is it a product of something they are carrying out at the transmitter? At the widest point (ie. the fan shape) the bandwidth is about 2kHz. Food for thought!!!! Cheers, Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Alan Melia Sent: 20 July 2009 11:41 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: 504khz harmonic. Hi Gary, the mini-whip is not bad but where you are located it could be the size of the 252 signal is producing some intermod/harmonics. Do you get the same effect on a wire, or passive antenna? I havent tried this but it may be possible to inprove the IMD performance by paralleling a pair of J310s in the miniwhip, at the expense of increased current drain. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF -RSGB LF Group" Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 11:12 AM Subject: LF: 504khz harmonic. > Hi All, > > > > Occasionally recently I have been seeing strange patterns around the > harmonic line received on my SpecLab grabbers on 504kHz from the broadcast > station at 252kHz. > > > > The patterns are not just seen using the Softrock SDR Rx but also with my > JRC NRD-345, the only common device is the Mini-Whip active antenna. > > > > I seem to remember some while ago comments on this LF Forum regarding that > station carrying out some experiments or tests involving digital data or > something similar. > > > > I wonder if this is an effect of those tests as there were concerns that it > may cause interference on the 500kHz amateur band. > > > > Capture attached. > > > > 73, > > > > Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO. > > > > > I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. > It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter > p&url=freespamfilter> > I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (rly-dd04.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.151]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDD023-b714a4f24aef; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 05:45:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD043-b714a4f24aef; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 05:45:20 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MN1mT-0000lI-Tf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:43:37 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MN1mT-0000l9-6E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:43:37 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MN1mR-0007HX-5t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:43:37 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F9F4C80DC for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 11:43:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 337D74C816C for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 11:43:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A4F2440.5070009@online.fr> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 11:43:28 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <908B19DF06BE4ECEB3A61470A89BEFA8@Black> In-Reply-To: <908B19DF06BE4ECEB3A61470A89BEFA8@Black> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Last night , U4WPF beacon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello LF , My grabber will be QRV in qtf 065 for this test ! 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj > Subject: DW: beacon UA4WPF > beacon (W _--)DFCW240 137.7795 17:00 to 01:00 UTC 04/07/2009 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da10.mx.aol.com (rly-da10.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.84]) by air-da07.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDA071-a944a510c94ee; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:27:38 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da10.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA104-a944a510c94ee; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:27:04 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MNYHx-00077t-OD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:26:17 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MNYHx-00077k-2C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:26:17 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MNYHv-0001cR-5y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:26:16 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0D3D51C005 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:26:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id B92AC31E702 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:26:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 48DEF18056; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:26:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 61.161-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (61.161-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.240.161.61]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:26:04 +0200 Message-ID: <20090705222604.dts0y3wg5cwo0c0w@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:26:04 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <908B19DF06BE4ECEB3A61470A89BEFA8@Black> <20090703100648.865C531E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <20090703113546.640D731E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be>,<09DF43BF4A974C1D80DF9BC90E77B1E3@AGB> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.240.161.61 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Graham, I called you once. As it was already rather late (we're one hour ahead of UK), QRN level =20 was high and we already worked before I didn't insist. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Graham : > Thanks Rik > > Did you call us ? > > 73 Graham > > From: Rik Strobbe > Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:50 PM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: RE: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS > > Good 559 copy at 21:40 UTC > EI0CF also 559 beaconing at the bottom end > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > ________________________________ > Van: =20 > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Graham =20 > [g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk] > Verzonden: zaterdag 4 juli 2009 20:34 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: LF: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS > > GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT 4 july ROUND 1930 ONWARDS > > Operating on 502.00 khz cw , > > RX 502 kx +/- also rx on 3533 / 7033 cw - cross band > > Possibly operating till round 2400 hrs > > qsl GB4FPR@HOTMAIL.CO.UK > > Reports welcome > > Tnx- Graham > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.3/2216 - Release Date: =20 > 07/03/09 05:53:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de02.mx.aol.com (rly-de02.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.138]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDE071-4b84a574666365; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:47:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE023-4b84a574666365; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:47:20 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MPGQW-0004rh-5a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:46:12 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MPGQT-0004rY-2B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:46:09 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.244] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPGQQ-0006AM-Ql for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:46:08 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEAH/iVkpZ8Rn//2dsb2JhbACEa8tChAgFgTo Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.241.25.255]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 14:46:01 +0100 Message-ID: <004e01ca0164$c2eba160$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <001401ca0147$dc500d20$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:46:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 We all know the reasons and under some circumstances justified, but so many now rely on and depend on its existance that perhaps we have gone down the wrong road. Just imagine if a major incident was about to take place and it was jammed for prolonged peroids. So many agencies now depend on it and consider it an essential navigation facility. Of course it could also be jammed deliberately by hostile organisations which is even worse than a controlled exercise. Communications satellites are also vunerable to jamming and abuse and the whole world communications network is virtually dependent on them with only limited cable alternatives. I think we are in a right mess and more vunerable than before the advent of such systems not to mention computer viruses and hackers etc. All these gadgets and contraptions are very useful but the mistake is totally DEPENDING on them which is the situation we are in. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" To: Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 1:51 PM Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Ask yourself why it may be advantageous to jam GPS is a war scenario, and just how GPS is likely to be used by both sides. Then consider how it may be done in a sensible manner, how to avoid excessive fratricide and why excercises such as these may have to be performed. Ask yourself why Selective Availability was removed some years ago. May like to also wonder if the substation located at exactly that specified location could have anything to do with the exercise. Andy G4JNT www.g4jnt.com 2009/7/10 Michael Probert GW4HXO : > Hello Finbar, > > Maybe Mal has a point? Seems a bit odd that the MOD are going to jam an > important service for a couple of hours. Can you imagine it they jammed TV > for a day or two, would be nice! > > Best regards > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton > Sent: 10 July 2009 11:19 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises > > Like I said when the big BANG comes the Appliance operator and his data > gadgets will be rendered useless, whereas a Radio Amateur with his 2 > valved > RX/TX, a morse key, a piece of wire for antenna and a pedal powered power > source will communicate on. > We all managed to commumicate and navigate this past 100 years without > these > > gadgets, unfortunately today the majority seem to be totally dependant on > computers and associated data devices. These gadgets are handy but make a > person LAZY and forgetful about how to write and operate CW as a tool to > communicate. > G3KEV > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Pick" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 8:11 AM > Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises > > > Perhaps we should encourage a Loran jamming excercise to prove that it > isn't the un-jammable marvel that its cracked up to be? > > ;-) > > Dave G3YXM > > 2009/7/9 Dave G3WCB : >> Hmmm... I can only see an electricity substation at that exact >> location...the source will probably on Henley's Down or somewhere >> similar. >> >> It'll mess-up any GPS-disciplined beacons (LF or Microwave)for a few >> hours! >> >> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Andy Talbot >> Sent: 08 July 2009 22:36 >> To: ukmicrowaves@yahoogroups.com; uk_beacons@yahoogroups.com; >> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: LF: Fwd: Fw: Ofcom Update: Date Correction - Forthcoming GPS >> jamming exercises >> >> >> The Lat/Long converts to: >> Loc. JO00FV41 >> NGR TQ723122 >> >> Andy >> www.g4jnt.com >> >> --- On Wed, 8/7/09, Updates wrote: >> >> From: Updates >> Subject: Ofcom Update: Date Correction - Forthcoming GPS jamming >> exercises >> To: >> Date: Wednesday, 8 July, 2009, 11:14 AM >> >> The MoD has informed Ofcom of the following GPS jamming exercise: >> >> Dates: 14th and 15th October 2009. >> >> Times: Maximum of two hours between the times of 08:00-12:00 and >> 13:30–15:30 each day. >> >> Location: Within 1km of N50° 53.0’ and E000° 27.0’ (Bexhill, East >> Sussex). >> >> Contact: Trial Manager (during the trial) on 07776 484226. >> >> > ........................................................................... >> >> >> > > > > -- > G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.9/2228 - Release Date: 07/09/09 > 18:07:00 > > > > __________ NOD32 4231 (20090710) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.9/2228 - Release Date: 07/09/09 18:07:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df08.mx.aol.com (rly-df08.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.21]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDF082-56a4a5e1f382b4; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:26:06 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF081-56a4a5e1f382b4; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:26:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MR9AB-0008D5-5P for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:25:07 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MR9AA-0008Cw-Fj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:25:06 +0100 Received: from smtp815.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MR9A6-00022L-T2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:25:05 +0100 Received: (qmail 30550 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2009 18:24:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=ytsutR+Y0rjCzYc/5WNeHPpHks5G2Cxnx8PVUcqhdL92JcCD+NIxIZEv9JdLAj52z/rdHAN3qZHS46myk1VCTR7tHagqyoq/8Fgt1cU0vOyKZmrTpa5uE8PAtj1hmiQrPjD9vqgJxQctzZoWUuGeJh8ND/W+qryQ5pvCIrvml0Q= ; Received: from unknown (HELO 64683d74b6134b3) (robertgjbennett@81.152.187.67 with login) by smtp815.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 18:24:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: HIUmOcOswBAvOQZN2jw8orW2ROj0fucSnrvscbxmgHHJ64hWaCyqKypD6g-- X-YMail-OSG: Ru0eYoAVM1lCsL426alVHHQL6_kmbbK7nb.cH4fUmhGKPwsRT1BAZQEwVlY75NfU_VckYnBo4s2FO4ChpixlLXTrlwz1KN0ElYMT7t70fDAosOaKFZsxsHrje_zZhFcxdK_A29w_eRPnPAqiUHCmf820acitHop6Qs9LPwP0VdGBEbDTARdyQ.Z2c2v9sguVV.X5Svh8ir3E8dcIW.U.PyimLBRzz5WvqehkAFM2XvgB_4OF6kEe.FyAsuHRq922c4C5IvR8JiDaAK.Dfi37O0xp5olDwY5ERDzTjP9TEZz5Y1oPTQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <32EE208E935345B69529F2405583A93A@64683d74b6134b3> From: "Robert Bennett" To: References: <1EDB89E6D3E24E008B4897CFE896A09F@lindavideo> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:24:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Microwave oven transformers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA0581.ED9ADDB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_60_70, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA0581.ED9ADDB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ken Look here: http://web.archive.org/web/20030627162157/http://www.vaxxin= e.com/phil/QEX_HV_Power_Supply.pdf =20 Robert ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA0581.ED9ADDB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA0581.ED9ADDB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma05.mx.aol.com (rly-ma05.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.49]) by air-ma03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMA031-8aa4a5482d6266; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 07:28:39 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma05.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA054-8aa4a5482d6266; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 07:28:24 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MOVIU-0005Pc-SI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:26:46 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MOVIU-0005PT-Gd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:26:46 +0100 Received: from mail-fx0-f222.google.com ([209.85.220.222]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MOVIP-00037V-PH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:26:42 +0100 Received: by fxm22 with SMTP id 22so6361057fxm.4 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 04:26:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=W8lPMdXZJXX3RnG9Tj/WHG1ZILDyc+2M0OCM5NHn6ZU=; b=Ag949nYYTVhhvIgDh8dMAzLKNU5BSr5cwjoM+Okp5ayV8qZRCzYG9TCPZ0kQ/KAU8M y8ggMLh3kFihPj7SnaU0CxI4e6dl+rqBzCEDEU6dtZ8SQWd06+yHqbITA14MDISdrnWg tw3pLLDJX+AzYmwLxsTzwLKar9jNZufwMH/DY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=R9a2n9HiLYyj++5rc7LBBrX82TO5PZ3HJNTMQZPHSp+j7jTplLFQUMLtnUK8TnCEuO 0xxycvWniXXDzBs876Rv0kIWL6+sRmRzDsSSqXyTbzkDGmoHZ56905YOHTVwP1+iBJRg 2pkgDzx7EKkxZwjkScs/yEubBAJ6N5wB+oEZY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.146.212 with SMTP id x20mr579154hba.97.1247052394298; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 04:26:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:26:34 +0100 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G4WGT Grabber Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m262.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) The red one is my 503.7kHz beacon at the quarter hour + 4 minute intervals, using teh same Tx format as teh GB3RAL/WES/ORK beacons. Green abd blue slots are availalble for other beacons, black is teh background noise. Andy www.g4jnt.com 2009/7/7 : > In a message dated 07/07/2009 20:54:29 GMT Standard Time, > g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk writes: > > > > Please have a look & I will be interested in your comments. > > > > Looks good to me. Thanks for the resource. > > On the third plot, what are the green black blue and red traces? > > Thanks > > David From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (rly-mg10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.116]) by air-mg07.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMG073-a3b4a71e99966; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:42:44 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG105-a3b4a71e99966; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:42:35 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MWaYs-0006Xl-4F for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 19:41:06 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MWaYr-0006Xc-P5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 19:41:05 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MWaYS-0005ze-VR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 19:40:41 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhcFABuGcUpOlp1I/2dsb2JhbACCKiuCG4UGgywGxzCEFwU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.157.72]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2009 19:40:34 +0100 Message-ID: <001c01ca1145$390b2dd0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 19:40:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500 UK Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01CA114D.9A36FF50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CA114D.9A36FF50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Regular acty fm UK on 500 khz. 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------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CA114D.9A36FF50-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINME012-9c94a506f8649; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 05:17:08 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME075-9c94a506f8649; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 05:16:57 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MNNpc-0005Ir-5n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:16:20 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MNNpb-0005Ii-RF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:16:19 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MNNpZ-00025d-MW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:16:18 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E30C4C80F3 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:16:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4F4F4C8160 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:16:12 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A506F5C.9090107@online.fr> Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 11:16:12 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <37F97C9360DA42E3AB044005A96EBE0F@ns94d01ae4d850> In-Reply-To: <37F97C9360DA42E3AB044005A96EBE0F@ns94d01ae4d850> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WPF 05-07.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Henny , Very good capture ! FB here many many qrn last night 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj henny van elst a =E9crit : > Hi,LF, > capture WPF > Henny pa3cpm > 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzo= nden: > WPF 05-07.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virusse= n het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Contr= oleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijl= agen worden afgehandeld. > > =20 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd07.mx.aol.com (rly-dd07.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.154]) by air-dd10.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDD104-b8e4a548d9c163; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 08:14:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD078-b8e4a548d9c163; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 08:14:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MOW1v-0005fq-PD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:13:43 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MOW1v-0005fh-Ci for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:13:43 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr09.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.127]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MOW1q-0003SD-MV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:13:39 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host81-153-233-40.range81-153.btcentralplus.com [81.153.233.40]) by c2bthomr09.btconnect.com with ESMTP id DSL94630; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:13:31 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A548D6B.3070504@btconnect.com> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:13:31 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001001c9ffc1$9cb7ec00$6401a8c0@asus> In-Reply-To: <001001c9ffc1$9cb7ec00$6401a8c0@asus> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr09.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0203.4A548D6C.0257,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2009-06-05 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G4WGT Grabber Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Gary - G4WGT wrote: > Andy, LF, > > Thank you Andy, I was about to place an answer to David's query, his > question has prompted me to add a little more info on the grabber page. > > Thanks to you both. > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > Gary Why don't the blue and green traces follow the noise? 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df08.mx.aol.com (rly-df08.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.21]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDF063-56e4a6873ff14f; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:30:40 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF085-56e4a6873ff14f; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:30:24 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTzHm-0004gy-Rr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:28:42 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTzHm-0004gp-7E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:28:42 +0100 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTzHR-0001qQ-EY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:28:24 +0100 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4E852ACD18 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:28:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps04.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.133] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.53L) with ESMTP id XID470NgwoCE9709X01; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:28:30 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.133 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps04.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID470NgwoCE9709X01 Received: from [127.0.0.1] [151.47.218.242] by cmsapps04.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 905NgwoCb2064M40; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:28:27 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.218.242 AUTH dibene@usa.net [127.0.0.1] Message-ID: <4A687388.4050801@usa.net> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:28:24 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1MTixd-0cGXyK0@fwd00.t-online.de> In-Reply-To: <1MTixd-0cGXyK0@fwd00.t-online.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090722-0, 07/22/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Z-USANET-MsgId: XID905NgwoCC2064X40 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Loop discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) James and Ha-Jo, thanks for your answers and considerations about using the loop itself as the primary of the transformer. I thought that it could be a good idea, based on this consideration : If I make a single turn loop using copper tubing, it will have a very low resistance, guesstimated between one thousandth and one hundredth of a ohm. A regular primary winding on a transformer will have a resistance at least an order of magnitude greater. IMHO, this affect negatively the Q of the loop... if I use the loop as primary, closing the single turn on itself with a good soldering, the Q would be unaffected, also because the secondary is not loaded... In fact, my intention was to have a high number of turns on the secondary, let's say at least 20, directly connected to the gate of a FET used as a source follower. This, again IMHO, would have the benefit to leave the Q of the loop at its unloaded value, and to have a great voltage gain, given by the high turn ratio of the transformer... Naturally, this will imply that the loop cannot be tuned, but there are applications for untuned loops. Is this line of thinking completely wrong ? Thanks for any considerations. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (rly-ma07.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.51]) by air-ma05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMA052-8b84a53b5f0252; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:54:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA072-8b84a53b5f0252; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:54:11 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MOHec-00048D-2a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:52:42 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MOHeb-000484-Il for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:52:41 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.53]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MOHeY-00079K-6k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:52:41 +0100 X-Trace: 226120528/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.66.227/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.66.227 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsYEAFBSU0pYakLj/2dsb2JhbACCVFeHTIR+wSIJg34F X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,364,1243810800"; d="scan'208,217";a="226120528" Received: from 88-106-66-227.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.66.227]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 07 Jul 2009 21:52:30 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF -RSGB LF Group" Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 21:52:31 +0100 Message-ID: <004d01c9ff44$d91375c0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: Acn/RNhNcHxEIK0OSjKqmzVJehJK0A== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: G4WGT Grabber Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004E_01C9FF4D.3AD7DDC0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C9FF4D.3AD7DDC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi LF, As an experiment I have introduced a new grabber page. Please have a look & I will be interested in your comments. http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C9FF4D.3AD7DDC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi LF,

 

As an experiment I have introduced a new grab= ber page.

 

Please have a look & I will be interested= in your comments.

 

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html=

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO.

 

------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C9FF4D.3AD7DDC0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db07.mx.aol.com (rly-db07.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.82]) by air-db10.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDB102-ad64a5841e5219; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:40:45 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB074-ad64a5841e5219; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:40:23 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MPXAb-0007Y7-Gp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 08:38:53 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MPXAb-0007Xy-1X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 08:38:53 +0100 Received: from mail-fx0-f222.google.com ([209.85.220.222]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPXAT-0003nH-KD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 08:38:46 +0100 Received: by fxm22 with SMTP id 22so1362876fxm.4 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 00:38:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ozLHIogbaF9qPxfR3BM5MIDmRsUJe2/ve5oLVL2bp6Y=; b=hj64PxcAHrjzuHfpI+5GwE6ZBBTEjhaFIYzfnhWe9jiHmczkM/Mlp2yrIT2En54b+L mM4WHNI4OEq2a0tXhrNVFrrjG3623g9rQq1M7Oo+Piiq4Nmlj7qGFgC9eaZkLXjTYfNE Za1SMu2ym4qz8j0MSgUcTNAvCuvX1b63D20nk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=IwLL7Ew+xGT+mBXfrxre/f1Yho0MHVS7MAMeUX+WHaIvCrjEf4EF9NqYj4uLA44T0s fDzjs9NAPW/q6ldToTKMBf6QRhQu2PCKj0MZt109809JzFbOV1Z8HdpMgHWUmtuyOYRk LV5VOseq45c7kkZQ1mhQg++lRqy/ytze8kmoM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.156.144 with SMTP id m16mr244382hbc.133.1247297924804; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 00:38:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8bf118410907100011s696aa712sbd88bd3a023e1c39@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 08:38:44 +0100 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises/Loran Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d288.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Yes, and its a lot more difficult to knock out GPS this way. A cruise missile carrying a small nuclear warhead on each of the two (or more ?) ground control stations perhaps :-) Andy G4JNT wobbleU cubed .g4jnt.kom 2009/7/11 Laurence BY3A-KL1X China : > Talking of jamming Loran brings back memories in the 70's of "attacking"= a > Decca site in the Eastern counties defended by Gurkhas' as a night exerc= ise. > I came across some photos the other day of said installation I must have > taken around that time - and for what I can remember the idea was to pla= ce a > small amount of C4 or shaped charge on one or two items and definately= not > get captured in the process. > > Given the lack of security of some of the Loran sites Im guessing the be= st > denial of Service would be a lump of plastic or very large bolt cutters= on a > couple of guys..or perhaps knocking out the=A0 remote mon receiver or sp= oofing > a small signal..must be easier than raising a 400m mast. > > LF and MF very noisy here due to Moonsoons at the moment. > > Laurence 9V1 LF > Rainy Singpore > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df03.mx.aol.com (rly-df03.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.16]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDF083-53e4a57dba6261; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:24:28 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF037-53e4a57dba6261; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:24:09 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MPQMw-0006gS-9a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:23:10 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MPQMv-0006gJ-Mx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:23:09 +0100 Received: from smtp816.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.16]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPQMp-0002bM-Fs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:23:08 +0100 Received: (qmail 98249 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2009 00:22:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=jq2z0UNudprLuLtWn+M+tKpMo1ONw27ZmKWEwWUmb4sAxt/PgvFqZLDP1UV13Tq7LE+eefBOOctA0TBtoKTaS1EtRs57rq8TVrE9QGuoinHg0FCtiR50yMXIVWqEqJnTZnJJrNkPGMm067i3j46QlP7WVZgHWS6PxoGyfunsuYQ= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.107.213 with login) by smtp816.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 00:22:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: IARaZe4VM1l231Lpo40rNyntyFOj_JA.oD.evjFma9tUGSwHOWPttaxYscBiKMwyH5p4ToNWd1CJjUH0MI98vyF6ho8iobOz2YTCH4uTyz80oO5MdAK7gdVv1iLVfMhNigRMG8vTbnP7zWH7A6sVgyBFxXJYXuqK6ZzHstnMXfhWnCbv_3PdtvgWBtDY_VGf5MvNGi37Nkx5YNZXQwUx2EPtsTaZsfZn1GTBU459.QJfqrK7jGqFLwb.zXrbLUi9IEfmcOexiy4Q1UVkCpmCXSfHXXALDaJzYmnrHmzXT9Rvjjf7qT8H X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <8bf118410907100011s696aa712sbd88bd3a023e1c39@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8bf118410907100011s696aa712sbd88bd3a023e1c39@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:22:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Dave, LF Group, G3YXM wrote: >Perhaps we should encourage a Loran jamming excercise to prove that it isn't the un-jammable marvel that its cracked up to be? ;-) It's interesting to speculate about possible GPS and Loran jamming devices. One sees "hand-held GPS jammers" mentioned on the internet - the GPS signal strength is perhaps a few uV/m at ground level, and the signal is a noise-like pseudo-random sequence, so a low power, noise generating "barrage" jamming device that swamped the GPS signal would probably be feasible over a line-of-sight area. On the other hand, Loran produces signal strengths of millivolts/m, so something like a million times as much jamming ERP would be needed, compounded by the low efficiency of feasible clandestine 100kHz jammer antennas. Another antenna-related problem would be the 10kHz or so bandwidth of the Loran signal, which presents a problem even with full-sized Loran antennas. In current Loran transmitters, the antenna itself forms part of the 100kHz pulse generator, which uses thyristors to discharge capacitors into a pulse-forming network incorporating the antenna - I guess some similar technique would be needed for the jammer so that power consumption did not become too enormous. Then there are "counter-countermeasures". It seems that anti-jamming GPS receivers for the military etc rely mostly on multiple RX antennas and front ends, and DSP-based beam-forming to reject signals that are not coming from the expected direction of a satellite. This probably isn't workable for Loran, due to the large spacing that would be needed between antennas at LF. But Loran has a precise time and phase relationship betweeen the pulse patterns making up the signal, and is designed to work with signals from multiple sources in the same channel, along with CW interference, so attempting to "spoof" a reasonably sophisticated Loran receiver would also need a sophisticated jammer. I don't doubt it would be possible to construct an effective Loran jammer, but it would probably not be hand-held! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (rly-dd01.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.148]) by air-dd05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDD054-b5b4a707957343; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:31:40 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD015-b5b4a707957343; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:31:21 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MWC2R-0003dk-5j for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:29:59 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MWC2Q-0003db-OV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:29:58 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc3-s29.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.229]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MWC22-0001x8-Eo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:29:35 +0100 Received: from BAY101-W32 ([64.4.56.132]) by bay0-omc3-s29.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 29 Jul 2009 09:29:42 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:29:42 +0200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1248861552.4a701d70a1dda@imp.netikka.net> References: <001001ca102b$1b87c040$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> <1248861552.4a701d70a1dda@imp.netikka.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2009 16:29:42.0885 (UTC) FILETIME=[C6F22950:01CA1069] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_cb235493-966b-4786-8029-4254d39e04a3_" Subject: LF: OK0EMW_report X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_cb235493-966b-4786-8029-4254d39e04a3_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Andrey, Paul-Henrik and LF! Thanks for reports and mp3 file! My beacon transmit all evenings normaly, but there were lots of storms last weeks. I had to switch this one sometimes off. 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS ******************************** > Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:59:12 +0300 > From: phl@netikka.fi > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: Re: Licence of OK0EMW > > Hi Lubos, Andrey, LF > > OK0EMW was also audible in OH last night with a good signal for this time of the > year. I was surprised and delighted to hear two tones when tuning past > 505.1-505.2kHz to check band conditions. > > 73 > > Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ > > Quoting Andrey rn3agc : > > > Hi Lubos, LF! > > OK0EMW audible last night, ~21.20z! > > mp3-file: http://rn3agc.msk.ru/sound/090728-ok0emw-cw.mp3 > > > > 73 > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ What's New vám to øekne hned, jak se to stane. Uka¾ mi jak. http://home.live.com/ --_cb235493-966b-4786-8029-4254d39e04a3_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hello Andrey, Paul-Henrik and LF!
Thanks for reports and mp3 file!
My beacon transmit all evenings normaly, but there were lots of storms last weeks. I had to switch this one sometimes off.

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

********************************
> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:59:12 +0300
> From: phl@netikka.fi
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: Licence of OK0EMW
>
> Hi Lubos, Andrey, LF
>
> OK0EMW was also audible in OH last night with a good signal for this time of the
> year. I was surprised and delighted to hear two tones when tuning past
> 505.1-505.2kHz to check band conditions.
>
> 73
>
> Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
>
> Quoting Andrey rn3agc <rn3agc@mail.ru>:
>
> > Hi Lubos, LF!
> > OK0EMW audible last night, ~21.20z!
> > mp3-file: http://rn3agc.msk.ru/sound/090728-ok0emw-cw.mp3
> >
> > 73
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

Sdílejte své zá¾itky s kýmkoli chcete s kýmkoli chcete. --_cb235493-966b-4786-8029-4254d39e04a3_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc12.mx.aol.com (rly-mc12.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.96]) by air-mc03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMC031-dad4a5cddeb3b8; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:35:40 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc12.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC125-dad4a5cddeb3b8; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:35:10 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MQnlW-0003WF-RC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:34:14 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MQnlW-0003W4-97 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:34:14 +0100 Received: from smtp148.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.106.59]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MQnlL-00059a-Ux for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:34:04 +0100 Received: (qmail 82372 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2009 19:34:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=OJlQpYSDZBFpm/S2s00vpMvMy5jFQ3IiqFBNrHaYn/AzzZtXQIu9ile5hDz37MO7mvxYogl7g3XZmBZsLIEtGWFWEQu9eh8bCve+dc6NXffFR9CKeld+MVEK3/MBUihi0LbMGEOLx6l36okcWoLn4Au4BNFF04oOVixgnR92iqo= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lindavideo) (ken.h.wright@86.140.224.132 with login) by smtp148.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 19:34:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: APVNTmmswBB1ajQe0.MR1eIpHqOdoGKpEnK7HtPhl2t5AIcci3nTdw-- X-YMail-OSG: w9oh12oVM1n0W1Hp1rqG7Gb1aQxmZekLz5QKi0o8l8xblEnaRAxNvYbl.dsCJ7vfbExO3nP8MNfFX0Gi6EJC8wvqc3L_8W3DlM1s1Wr50ze1P8D2wwIGHoCeBc.fDGjAs256mddBr2SO5Tf1r9oSZTkK8T8AA7XEtcFAmLlvmg3FC9dOZMfiSVMKFEJpBq9wM_lewn80cLcl3KCW9k9Mpem56ClvEFj_boDUne4nEqjKnpnE8Fnkf90rciXbHLd_hQf9wgob3FeaoVAP0_yDKg6PoKGnS801lhgbeLRsezp9_IUlHXq_cfFVU9r6CXmS823172DGN1drBosLsK44Wlbsq7SYawsvsAmNu8MQ X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <59B43DAF72704927B6E58971E3B9D56A@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <1EDB89E6D3E24E008B4897CFE896A09F@lindavideo> <000301ca04b9$3fdbc9f0$0217aac0@jimdesk> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:33:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: Re: RE: Microwave oven transformers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA04C2.6AE72460" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.3 required=5.0 tests=EXCUSE_16,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, HTML_60_70,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA04C2.6AE72460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim. There will probably be a fair bit of technical smoke comimg out of Lut= on, but that is what our hobby is all about, any other usefull sugesti= ons? Krgards. Ken 73deM0KHW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: James Cowburn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 8:28 PM Subject: LF: RE: Microwave oven transformers Tesla Roulette!! =20 With best regards =20 =20 Jim =20 =20 Dr. James Cowburn 26 Birch Close Broom Biggleswade Beds SG18 9NR =20 T +44 (0) 1767 600522 M+44 (0) 7967 300152 E james.cowburn@virgin.net =20 "The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom= it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged materi= al. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified tha= t you must not read this message. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking= of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entiti= es other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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The solution= to this seems to be to use two transformers, connecting the both prim= aries and secondary's in series to restore the 2KV output voltage. =20 Any comments on this most welcome =20 Note for Mal, this is serious stuff not for appliance operators. =20 Regards Ken Wright =20 73 de M0KHW ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA04C2.6AE72460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jim.
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Krgards.
Ken
73deM0KHW
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From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org] On= Behalf Of Ken
= Sent: 14 July 2009 20:22
To: rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Microwave oven=20 transformers

 

Hello=20 everyone.

Does any one have experience in= =20 using microwave oven transformers in high voltage power units, I acq= uired two=20 of these at the weekend. I was informed that as they stand the volta= ge=20 regulation is poor, to improve this the 'Core Shunts' should be remo= ved,=20 (these are laminations between the two stacks), removal of these 'sh= unts' also=20 has the effect of considerably increasing the magnetisation current.= The=20 solution to this seems to be to use two transformers, connecting the= both=20 primaries and secondary's in series to restore the 2KV output=20 voltage.

 

Any comments on this most=20 welcome

 

Note for Mal, this is serious=20 stuff not for appliance operators.

 

Regards<= /P>

Ken=20 Wright

 

73 de=20 M0KHW

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Hi,=20 Gary.
 
It's=20 not your Mini-Whip. I get the same effect on my "Tee" transmitting ant= enna. Argo=20 screenshot attached.
 
73m=20 Dave G3WCB IO91rM nr Windsor, S.E. England.
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From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gary= -=20 G4WGT
Sent: 20 July 2009 11:13
To: LF -RSGB LF= =20 Group
Subject: LF: 504khz harmonic.

Hi=20 All,

 = ;

Occasional= ly=20 recently I have been seeing strange patterns around the harmonic lin= e received=20 on my SpecLab grabbers on 504kHz from the broadcast station at=20 252kHz.

 = ;

The patter= ns=20 are not just seen using the Softrock SDR Rx but also with my JRC NRD= -345, the=20 only common device is the Mini-Whip active=20 antenna.

 = ;

I seem to= =20 remember some while ago comments on this LF Forum regarding that sta= tion=20 carrying out some experiments or tests involving digital data or som= ething=20 similar.

 = ;

I wonder= if=20 this is an effect of those tests as there were concerns that it may= cause=20 interference on the 500kHz amateur band.

 = ;

Capture=20 attached.

 = ;

73,=

 

Gary - G4WGT -=20 IO83QO.

 

 
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(helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MR6Qa-0007AL-IP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:29:52 +0100 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MR6QP-0005qW-EN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:29:41 +0100 Received: (qmail 10845 invoked by uid 507); 15 Jul 2009 17:29:33 +0200 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 17:29:33 +0200 Message-ID: <200907151729430361.091BDC4C@smtp2.numeo.fr> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:29:43 +0200 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Strong signal on 137775 ish Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Long dashes 40dB over QRN at 1525z. There was something similar on about this frequency at 0155z. It seemed= to be modulated but I couldn't decode it. John F5VLF=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf06.mx.aol.com (rly-mf06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.176]) by air-mf06.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMF061-9674a5ee22d3d2; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 04:18:04 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf06.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF065-9674a5ee22d3d2; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 04:17:51 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MRM8h-000387-5C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:16:27 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MRM8g-00037y-KB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:16:26 +0100 Received: from psmtp30.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.32]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MRM8d-0006AG-Bj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:16:25 +0100 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp30.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KMV00MQ98B3VP@psmtp30.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:16:16 +0200 (MEST) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:16:12 +0200 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <32A397601B41446080BDA56C913775B5@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: XGJ 16-07.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_qRtTU0qMyXlOE7T5RX8O8Q)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_qRtTU0qMyXlOE7T5RX8O8Q) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Ye3eJggBJsDv6EQ/B5lg+A)" --Boundary_(ID_Ye3eJggBJsDv6EQ/B5lg+A) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Warren LF, capture xgj,with qrm henny pa3cpm 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: XGJ 16-07.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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Hi Warren LF,
capture xgj,with qrm
henny pa3cpm
73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
XGJ 16-07.jpg

Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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137kHz F8BOJ 40 to 50 dB above noise Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1246784778" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 -------------------------------1246784778 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Claude,solid 25 dB over the noise here (measure with SPM3 50 Ohms) Very strong and clear signal.Very FB. F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP RX : WG SPM3 Ant: Miniwhip PA0RDT _http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/_ (http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/) -------------------------------1246784778 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Claude,solid 25 dB over the noise here (measure with SPM3= 50=20 Ohms)
Very strong and clear signal.Very FB.
 
 
F4DTL=20 Nicolas JN18FP

RX : WG SPM3
-------------------------------1246784778-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (rly-dc04.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.33]) by air-dc07.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC074-b154a5cf97b177; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:32:56 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC041-b154a5cf97b177; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:32:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MQpbX-0004DW-7q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:32:03 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MQpbW-0004DM-Hd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:32:02 +0100 Received: from smtp145.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.106.56]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MQpbM-0005ru-1F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:31:52 +0100 Received: (qmail 6614 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2009 21:31:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=VBkNrA+RN9Biaa7LhwOwDoYU6gF80+f9RXO2t4QTbG3bz5YxLkD2oiGLFCJ2MVra7eJAnH28DvWDdvRrV8oc8GMfuDxWnYIS6Pfc4V7rZGBbJPPMivszY6bYXN/OCyqb0W7ULL80WRw6/xwWA03x/EiIJ7KmE7rtObI3Vfzpcw0= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lindavideo) (ken.h.wright@86.140.224.132 with login) by smtp145.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 21:31:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: APVNTmmswBB1ajQe0.MR1eIpHqOdoGKpEnK7HtPhl2t5AIcci3nTdw-- X-YMail-OSG: yw_BmOYVM1lSyAwTR.60eo_DTMLd2eeIIyn0juirv8yEivPrT17FLHYMgTTmfAsMSKRkm_oNwE8rnTOjUzHi28X0dRbUbxMpVNPaTh2TvzPRSPn3fZIOagYQMHuLtKrtfKtxea92LQgtTKbJ0.g3wSTeVeDeJbPNCZRqEvmXcOr3DnprwSMK7SBqkZGw.Ifvqgph8xDWKiROHnWvgd3tPFZd3hRCtwaVrawbVUn3g1gTC7MIXJKWE8Rr_cnZf1MRzEMEKwPxN0oLRPFUvVIMRQJUKl8XOYKlBVKI9p6ihGmTuTCpiBUw7XEVE.RQ4lvDX5i.6mmxYvqDruEeYAIIzyVx6pMCEQCBOhFX7hCxqtk5UfmEM0QknaiYKS8.tQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <49F580A58ECC467CA208D62019C6550D@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <942004.58848.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:31:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: Re: (QSX)....... RE: Microwave oven transformers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA04D2.E176C120" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=EXCUSE_16,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA04D2.E176C120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Pete. I only have one antenna at pressent, so unable to work Xband, that is= about job no. 100. If you can tx on 500 by almeans mail me and we can= try to work each other. Regards Ken 73deM0KHW =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 9:14 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: (QSX)....... RE: Microwave oven transformers Hi Ken Off your topic but had to relate that while on holiday last we= ek on the cliff tops at Corton nr Lowestoft (abt 95miles) I copied you= working Chris G3XIZ. I was using a 80m dipole up 6m and an unmodified= Kenwood TS50s you were a very readable signal a couple of S points do= wn on Chris but Solid copy!! FB signal there Ken. Prior to your QSO I= worked Chris QSX (sort of) me on 3.566. I called a few times but I gu= ess you were not set up for QSX? Anyway nice copy there on 500 Ken. 73 petefmt --- On Tue, 14/7/09, Ken wrote: From: Ken Subject: LF: Re: RE: Microwave oven transformers To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tuesday, 14 July, 2009, 8:33 PM Jim. There will probably be a fair bit of technical smoke comimg= out of Luton, but that is what our hobby is all about, any other usef= ull sugestions? Krgards. Ken 73deM0KHW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: James Cowburn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 8:28 PM Subject: LF: RE: Microwave oven transformers Tesla Roulette!! With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn 26 Birch Close Broom Biggleswade Beds SG18 9NR T +44 (0) 1767 600522=20 M+44 (0) ... E james.cowburn@virgin.net =E2=80=9CThe information transmitted is intended only for th= e person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or= privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient, you are= hereby notified that you must not read this message. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of,= or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons= or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Consequ= ently, this email is not intended to be contractually binding. If you received this in error, please contact the sender, re= turn the message as well as its attachments and delete the whole from= any computer.=E2=80=9D ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner- rsg= b_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] On Behalf Of Ken Sent: 14 July 2009 20:22 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Microwave oven transformers Hello everyone. Does any one have experience in using microwave oven transfo= rmers in high voltage power units, I acquired two of these at the week= end. I was informed that as they stand the voltage regulation is poor,= to improve this the 'Core Shunts' should be removed, (these are lamin= ations between the two stacks), removal of these 'shunts' also has the= effect of considerably increasing the magnetisation current. The solu= tion to this seems to be to use two transformers, connecting the both= primaries and secondary's in series to restore the 2KV output voltage= . Any comments on this most welcome Note for Mal, this is serious stuff not for appliance operat= ors. Regards Ken Wright 73 de M0KHW =20 ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA04D2.E176C120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Pete.
I only have one antenna at pressent,= so unable to=20 work Xband, that is about job no. 100. If you can tx on 500 by almeans= mail me=20 and we can try to work each other.
Regards
Ken
73deM0KHW
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT=
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009= 9:14=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: (QSX)...= .... RE:=20 Microwave oven transformers

Hi Ken
 
Off your topic but had to relate that while on holiday la= st week on=20 the cliff tops at Corton nr Lowestoft (abt 95miles) I copied= you working=20 Chris G3XIZ. I was using a 80m dipole up 6m and an unmodified= Kenwood=20 TS50s you were a very readable signal a couple of S points dow= n on Chris=20 but Solid copy!! FB signal there Ken. Prior to your QSO I work= ed Chris=20 QSX (sort of) me on 3.566. I called a few times but I guess yo= u were not=20 set up for QSX?
 
Anyway nice copy there on 500 Ken.
 
73 petefmt

--- On Tue, 14/7/09, Ken=20 <ken.h.wright@btinternet.com> wrote:

From:=20 Ken <ken.h.wright@btinternet.com>
Subject: LF: Re:= RE:=20 Microwave oven transformers
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Tuesday, 14 July, 2009= , 8:33=20 PM

Jim.
There will probably be a fa= ir bit of=20 technical smoke comimg out of Luton, but that is what our ho= bby is all=20 about, any other usefull sugestions?
 
Krgards.
Ken
73deM0KHW
----- Original Message ---= --
Fr= om: James Cowburn
Sent: Tuesday, July= 14, 2009=20 8:28 PM
Subject: LF: RE: Mi= crowave oven=20 transformers

Tesla=20 Roulette!!

 

With best=20 regards

 

 

Jim<= /FONT>

 

 

Dr. James=20 Cowburn

26 Birch=20 Close

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Biggleswade

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From:=20 owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] On=20 Behalf Of Ken
Sent: 14 July 2009=20 20:22
To:= =20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Microwave oven=20 transformers

 

Hello=20 everyone.

Does any one ha= ve=20 experience in using microwave oven transformers in high volt= age power=20 units, I acquired two of these at the weekend. I was informe= d that as=20 they stand the voltage regulation is poor, to improve this= the 'Core=20 Shunts' should be removed, (these are laminations between th= e two=20 stacks), removal of these 'shunts' also has the effect of co= nsiderably=20 increasing the magnetisation current. The solution to this= seems to be=20 to use two transformers, connecting the both primaries and= secondary's=20 in series to restore the 2KV output voltage.

 

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Regards<= /FONT>

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73 de=20 M0KHW


------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA04D2.E176C120-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc11.mx.aol.com (rly-mc11.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.95]) by air-mc03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMC032-da24a553ffd18; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:55:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc11.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC112-da24a553ffd18; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:55:28 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MOhtw-0007tw-0r for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 01:54:16 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MOhtv-0007tn-DH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 01:54:15 +0100 Received: from smtp822.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MOhtp-0001lB-PW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 01:54:10 +0100 Received: (qmail 68351 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 00:54:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=q5voMqyMHwltVgGucWOe5imr4PLfCEGZUbt0KJAje37pO1nM2JdQM/YBImjwmxJv758JdMVvqR2V9SvM4KDNM+p487cDGOHKKB6KlYz0uH40rAVv70fT2Igfz9NP+8Ntq0VxuP7MNcFSwAKe8Evsic3XBxgpM9TAEXibxAUyrjE= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.107.213 with login) by smtp822.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 00:54:07 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: 24f.ofEVM1kzu4Bx0sPofNIoVGNt6wrl.din1BlV9.U0awWVDlckwSXV65mpS4VdjL7AoSruJ3hVT7PqftNThCPktpdZroHPsM9Cr7jif68cEhBjSAxDQR7JvzkbWf8240OwdTgqfA80LXDHscCqp2xZga9sEd1khcVdJZt1.MtVfq28sWnyNJJuaMjQk9c6FoV7n9hsAInH8n7L_J_poqFCCw8ATo3NsRhkwW3j2Oo9PMZPFedNVG1Rkwy_YvgWsgKeg03oUzNvL76dP0dqtSXtPB8ccHuudgbC00EfqQaPsjW9rhPFFnFoms_F9TAVcQz3d9CxfHyFbcaFCr8BpszufYx2I7332a9IQR0avoahZcC6eo3pv4Y2fqudXDgg X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <3ED0CD52FE44410585B4FD49BC73AF8C@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 01:54:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: LF Tuning Aids Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF Group, I have just uploaded a file (LF_tuning_aids.pdf) to the UK500kHz group site at http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/files. This is an updated/expanded version of my old "LF tuning meter" article that has been on G3YXM's web pages for some time. It describes a number of devices for monitoring antenna matching I have used on 136kHz and 500kHz, including: -The original 136kHz LF tuning meter design, indicating voltage, current and phase, with updates for dual band 136k/500k use. -The "Scopematch", for displaying antenna feeder voltage and current waveforms on a dual trace scope -A couple of simple SWR bridge designs Hope it proves to be of interest - any comments welcome. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (rly-mg02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.108]) by air-mg09.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMG093-9fe4a5dd50f2cf; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:09:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG028-9fe4a5dd50f2cf; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:09:37 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MR4E6-0005yS-1o for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:08:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MR4E4-0005yJ-Am for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:08:48 +0100 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MR4Dr-0002bv-RJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:08:37 +0100 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81EC92ACA33 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:08:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps01.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.136] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.53L) with ESMTP id XID989NgoNih4285X01; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:08:33 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.136 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps01.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID989NgoNih4285X01 Received: from [127.0.0.1] [151.47.210.192] by cmsapps01.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 531NgoNiE5072M36; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:08:30 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.210.192 AUTH dibene@usa.net [127.0.0.1] Message-ID: <4A5DD4CB.8020109@usa.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:08:27 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1EDB89E6D3E24E008B4897CFE896A09F@lindavideo> In-Reply-To: <1EDB89E6D3E24E008B4897CFE896A09F@lindavideo> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090714-0, 07/14/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Z-USANET-MsgId: XID531NgoNif5072X36 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Ken wrote: > I was informed that as they stand the voltage regulation is poor, to improve > this the 'Core Shunts' should be removed, (these are laminations between > the two stacks), removal of these 'shunts' also has the effect of > considerably increasing the magnetisation current. Just out of curiosity, what is the purpose of those magnetic shunts when the microwave oven transformers are used for their intended application ? 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (rly-dc08.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.37]) by air-dc09.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC091-b354a68aced9f; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:33:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC081-b354a68aced9f; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:33:19 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MU35Q-0005ZV-A8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:32:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MU35P-0005ZM-QR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:32:11 +0100 Received: from mail-yx0-f179.google.com ([209.85.210.179]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MU357-0003Hw-7X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:31:53 +0100 Received: by yxe9 with SMTP id 9so1842161yxe.30 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:32:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=CK9Lt2N+Hmu2hm9G9ETp855BYlzRbX6zSY0yGB7eifU=; b=nAwqq/HoGaWgi98ia8IlFijSE0A0GN3ur4z5RpW2wpkT0vEPbJfj3q6G9RcaInt2zt djxGJUqtBi3Gc8aHNDq/O1MVHVooQR7D7oQmW4wdUQF5HVXON2aYdZ8xb17Se0fmjXB3 YZGkuu4/xRz+ub8wuP4MGBil7jxGI7HYQSMrg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=kCi1ZNE6mKFf98ag11lONgsfxA04RpWD5n6hukblhLw7V4JTW58m+mpczq6frFzU8c QZ1DX6luARCEiwxot49PzA+s5YNGN+e1ifAWNQn656A0E1XStI4vbhHQ64Oh/pe1NgMc bsOUZ0Bac+ID2DBzgmM4FbpmywJZ2WtpFHvC8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.178.13 with SMTP id a13mr3666126ybf.284.1248373921666; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:32:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <00a001ca0bb6$9466d100$0900a8c0@AM> References: <000001ca0922$9cf3c580$6401a8c0@asus> <006501ca0926$8f4743e0$0900a8c0@AM> <4A681267.9010602@online.fr> <57a24ca70907230856t4877342erfb2c84bc4891fee7@mail.gmail.com> <00a001ca0bb6$9466d100$0900a8c0@AM> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:32:01 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70907231132t1295bf25ma4cd736a9a8143fa@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: [137kHz] T/A WD2XGJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d278.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Thanks Alan, conditions earlier in the week were great, BBC on 198 very loud here along with other LW stations. --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Alan Melia wr= ote: > Hi Warren and listeners.....yes there was a sudden KP=3D6 which depresse= d the > Dst to -65nT and Steve W4EEE's plot of DCF39 was noticably lower than > previous night. I think things should recover fairly quickly the Dst was > back to -30nT this morning. So there might be slighly lower signals leve= ls > for a night or so before it returns to what it was. > > Thanks for the beacon Warren and the nice pic of the gear !! > > Best Wishes > Alan G3NYK > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Warren Ziegler" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 4:56 PM > Subject: Re: LF: [137kHz] T/A WD2XGJ > > > Hi =A0Jean-Pierre, > > =A0 =A0 =A0Thanks for the report. =A0I ran full power for one 'XGJ' stri= ng, > just bad conditions. > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WD2XGJ > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WD2XSH/23 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WE2XEB/2 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WE2XGR/1 > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 3:33 AM, "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 > (F1AFJ)" wrote: >> Hi Warren , LF , >> >> Just a small trace last night ! >> Or the propagation are very bad ? >> Or Warren forgot to bring PA ! >> Or perhaps spots of the sun of these last days >> >> 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj >> >> > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da02.mx.aol.com (rly-da02.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.76]) by air-da05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDA054-a554a579795185; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:33:55 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA025-a554a579795185; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:33:44 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MPLpm-0005cA-No for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:32:38 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MPLpl-0005c1-UT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:32:37 +0100 Received: from smtp12.hushmail.com ([65.39.178.135]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPLpi-00018A-OG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:32:37 +0100 Received: from smtp12.hushmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp12.hushmail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B7E9770290 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:32:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.hushmail.com (w2.hushmail.com [65.39.178.96]) by smtp12.hushmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:32:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.hushmail.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id 91924B8040; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:32:32 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:32:31 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: thule@hushmail.com Message-Id: <20090710193232.91924B8040@smtp.hushmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:19:07 +0000 mal hamilton >We all managed to commumicate and navigate this past 100 years You might have, most of us aren't quite that old.... -- Make a big mistake? Click here to find a lawyer to help you. http://tagline.hushmail.com/fc/BLSrjkqkLEZ9eH5HDfgIEbRJKPtOGkzHguLTDB0psvgqgORw3ffbDwKxgNC/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de05.mx.aol.com (rly-de05.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.141]) by air-de06.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDE064-4d64a68a0bd332; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:41:38 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de05.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE053-4d64a68a0bd332; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:41:19 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MU2H7-0005Nw-Tt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:40:13 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MU2H7-0005Nn-BM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:40:13 +0100 Received: from smtp818.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.18]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MU2H3-0000np-CX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:40:11 +0100 Received: (qmail 71831 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2009 17:40:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=qYZrGJTEkefzQ6f95aPirJ5zLT5EgEb0Ok+96LfbXICNFCtXo9bvbyHe00LFxQAj+keEGtJr0GEa1Az/YMXoHmrkZd20Iq5VU7kyizmnTYZjkhiy3Z4Rpg5Ie7wcnz5DNljgnOS2jV9NFfhXErSdmGr6+FaY+cR/EmkNF8pp7ro= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.9.149 with login) by smtp818.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2009 17:40:02 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: ic5zQboVM1nNz7VedsfEpyQdadTZ0VDO8KlWc.6nM_.szwbIFst3KakjaFi.E9Vq5OyDlwTKzUXsvMoAQN6rB1dos8i8leHiSiT3iWjc55levLdNCFQUqfGDkdRf2NKVe7OCi4cCVgPMO37TJX4WtmC1Ryaqp_I2MlBI7IVZ9FsvebO10aPwnWz_WCIQkOso1_6IVChk4unNSD6XFr.OMyC2aUKDPbsICAE49AUqKfnCak2U_P2eAMmJSEBCj6.1DZrt3Hj4iwCphkWMlZ0Q4Vw52LNu3pCLGmJJnzBnRJ9z4c70Wg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <1MTixd-0cGXyK0@fwd00.t-online.de> <4A687388.4050801@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <4A687388.4050801@usa.net> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:40:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Loop discussion Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Alberto, LF Group, To give a sensible answer, you have to look at the numbers specific to your antenna and requirements. For example, suppose you want to use a broadband loop as you have described on 136kHz. I reckon the noise floor under quiet band conditions is about 1uV/m in 300Hz bandwidth at 136k. The figures I have to hand are for a 1m x 1m loop element made of 15mm copper water pipe, so let us use that as a basis. The EMF induced in the loop is 2.1e-8 x fNAE, where f is Hz, N is number of turns, A is m^2, and E is field strength in V/m. The 1uV/m band noise will therefore produce an EMF of approx 2.9nV in the single-turn loop. Let us follow Roelof's example and use a 1:30 step-up transformer. The EMF at the secondary will therefore be 86nV. This is quite small, but we can use a low noise amplifier - a J310 as used in the high impedance "Mini-whip" design has an input noise voltage density of about 1.2nV/sqrt Hz, so contributes 21nV noise in 300Hz BW, about 12dB below the band noise level, so there is some margin to allow additional noise from other sources. The other thing we need to worry about is the thermal noise contributed by the loss resistance of the loop and transformer. Suppose we want this to be at least 6dB below the band noise level, i.e. 43nV at the transformer secondary. The thermal noise EMF of a resistance is sqrt(4kTBR), so the maximum resistance we can have is Vn^2 / 4kTB, where k is Boltzmann's constant 1.38E-23, T is absolute temperature (say 300K), B is bandwidth of 300Hz - R works out to 372ohms. The impedance at the transformer secondary will be the overall loss resistance of loop and transformer, in series with the transformed inductive reactance of the loop (assuming that the transformer winding inductance is high enough to have negligible effect). The 1m^2 single turn loop has L of about 3.4uH, so with a 1:30 transformer, the inductance at the secondary will be 900 times this, 3.06mH. This has a reactance at 136k of 2.6kohms, so the minimum permissible Q of the loop/transformer combination is 2.6k/372, i.e. about 7. This is not very high. My prototype loop was made of 4 x 1m lengths of tube with 4 x 90 degree elbows, so 8 solder joints, plus various hardware and bits of wire connecting the resonating capacitors. The unloaded Q at 136k was about 120 (and it seems the capacitors actually contributed significantly to the loss), so the loop itself is probably not an issue, or the addition of a few turns of wire as the transformer primary. I suspect the transformer would be a greater contributor to the resistance due to losses in the ferrite core , but provided the inductance of the primary was several times larger than the loop inductance, it should be quite easy to achieve an overall Q greater than 7. You also want to make the transformer inductance high in order to minimise its shunting effect on the loop - this would further reduce the already low voltage at the transformer secondary. The impedance at the transformer secondary is kilohms, so a high input impedance preamp is needed, whose noise figure is not seriously degraded by the high source impedance, such as a JFET. A mini-whip-type buffer meets this requirement, but with unity voltage gain, the output voltage is still very low, so a sensitive receiver or further gain would be needed. Most amateur type rigs used for receive on 136k would need 20 - 40dB additional gain due to their poor sensitivity. An issue with a wideband design like this is that the transformer would probably resonate somewhere in the 100s of kilohertz range, which would put a sharp peak in the loop response at that frequency - if this is in the broadcast band, it would probably be a good idea to add a damping R-C combination to reduce the chances of strong overloading broadcast signals. Some selectivity would be desirable in any case, if the loop was used with a high gain preamp. Of course, if you resonate the loop at the operating frequency, you can get quite a lot of voltage gain "for free", but the bandwidth will be much smaller. So it looks like this particular design is feasible and the loop construction not very critical. I have not tried this particular configuration (my loops need to incorporate some selectivity to be viable, due to the 10s of volts/metre from the broadcast stations), but I used a similar approach with the bandpass loops and several other designs, and got more or less what was expected, so it should work OK. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (rly-mf05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.175]) by air-mf01.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMF013-95f4a690aec2e3; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:14:40 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF055-95f4a690aec2e3; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:14:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MU9LM-0006WN-8N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 02:13:04 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MU9LL-0006WE-C8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 02:13:03 +0100 Received: from fish2.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.163]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MU9LG-0005SX-SL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 02:13:01 +0100 Received: from weazle (pppoe.dyn-216.46.157.96.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.157.96]) by fish2.hurontel.on.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 859D7879F4E for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from weazle (pppoe.dyn-216.46.157.96.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.157.96]) by fish2.hurontel.on.ca with SMTP id 8gBF5fDf29wAwuLM for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000201ca0bfb$db158d40$0b01a8c0@weazle> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: References: <1MTixd-0cGXyK0@fwd00.t-online.de> <4A687388.4050801@usa.net> <1MU4lz-1dRfeq0@fwd10.t-online.de> <434E6E4F7AC64D8B995F684D832555DA@JimPC> <49FC75F6A7D2439197581F10016D72AE@AGB> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 02:12:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Loop discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Graham, Would you kindly pass along some details of the GB4FPR delta loop? I've been using one here with a perimeter of 333 feet for several years now for receiving purposes in the range 160 to 530 kHz. A binocular core with a 1:2 turns ratio at one of the bottom corners provides the step-up to the RG-6U coax to the receiver. I've no problems with static charges or arcs (so far), but I have thought of putting some high value resistors from the loop ends to ground. 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL Solar and wind powered Lowfer " EAR" 188.830 EN93dr http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (rly-mf02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.172]) by air-mf04.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMF042-9434a4ff2e01b2; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:25:15 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF021-9434a4ff2e01b2; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:25:06 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MNFWa-0002Wl-PK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:24:08 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MNFWa-0002Wc-Av for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:24:08 +0100 Received: from smtp815.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MNFWY-0001yc-Pw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:24:07 +0100 Received: (qmail 45573 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2009 00:24:00 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=N9JUk73f1VBLzeyNtR9QKyRkX3oATQbI2nEN1y3Bjr3k1jTd4A7IEgyYZ2O2OwNxiJuhF98WT9PIO54v87JcvO5f9mGkLWjvFQwewwpsfr7/5v9cpK6a4uo0N0hueuOgeiVOcUFijl+oC/6d97YhskEHBKhyJJVZGMmHcL+tl3k= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.190.110 with login) by smtp815.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 00:24:00 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: YPbdyBYVM1lIoBGfyFxreUenft9aQ_.hBsqXosS6gNTDIwywIJxjcMKfsBzYw8vPCAMtdxBDGnWXCxa8OZRyspWc8qLq2ECsiCoQkk0jfvc50NvyrQBiskaI6kbJpFc7ChUEHbS_m0KOmQWNRgoeHvotjUWUTn0PLzqyeB01oR7qZ59vS.3FpQuloLAYl0m_YzdMkKwdvsWKfpCdAhATPpkbqW0c0CL1nO04KR8GLXqETKgDh_JKAg8X2sJQPOXrC.AK3Lg4BRnZHP5SbdonKTuFMq3.GLKoSNJKApxl5DKMzFfCoLE- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <908B19DF06BE4ECEB3A61470A89BEFA8@Black> <20090703100648.865C531E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <20090703113546.640D731E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be>,<09DF43BF4A974C1D80DF9BC90E77B1E3@AGB> In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 01:24:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: RE: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=LINES_OF_YELLING, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Graham, LF Group, Tried replying to your CQs a couple of times around 2200utc, but no response - perhaps that receiver does need a look... Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df11.mx.aol.com (rly-df11.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.24]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDF041-58a4a5db1bb1a7; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 06:39:04 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df11.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF113-58a4a5db1bb1a7; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 06:38:53 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MR1qc-0005d4-L6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:36:26 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MR1qa-0005cu-Jd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:36:24 +0100 Received: from n1b.bullet.mail.aue.yahoo.com ([124.108.96.250]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MR1qV-00059t-Ip for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:36:23 +0100 Received: from [124.108.96.170] by n1.bullet.mail.aue.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2009 10:36:09 -0000 Received: from [124.108.96.187] by t1.bullet.mail.aue.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2009 10:36:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp102.mail.aue.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2009 10:36:09 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 179292.87347.bm@omp102.mail.aue.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 37507 invoked by uid 1000); 15 Jul 2009 10:36:09 -0000 Received: from 124.108.96.71 by rel104.mail.aue.yahoo.com with SMTP; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 03:36:08 -0700 Received: (qmail 68426 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2009 10:36:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sooby.xtra.co.nz) (bjhayes@219.88.52.99 with login) by smtp102.tnz.mail.aue.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 10:36:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: fnILtrcVM1mCRAcgbzTgrY.Y_aZWe2vfkjDi3ath6kwBZCjLS1VHwuu_3zZq5y7zxFRWLLAeJr_QUjRsZZLnW54vSDUyo9RDrG6vZWyqMqs8_uLI6siSp5OC2Qkg2JsgEFXxXwuVwL.vfCN88qA5ZE9c X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.1.20090715193731.01a75230@xtra.co.nz> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:35:14 +1200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Brenda Hayes Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Microwave oven transformers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello all, I have recently done some tests on a pair of identical transformers removed from two identical ovens. Perhaps unfortunately, I removed the magnetic shunts before doing any no-load testing. After half an hour, with 235V applied to the primary windings and no secondary load, the iron was far too hot for comfort.. At this stage, I measured the iron losses with an accurate wattmeter that certainly takes account of the crummy power factor.. At 50 watts apiece, for no-load losses, I had visions of cooling fans etc. My solution was to wire a double-wound 230/32V [150VA] transformer in step-down "auto" style to feed the ex-microwave transformer primaries. This step-down transformer showed negligible iron loss of 4W or so. With a new primary voltage of 200, the standing iron loss dropped to around 30W per ex-microwave transformer. Naturally, the secondary voltage has also dropped. I now have about 1600 - 0 - 1600V from the two transformers when the primaries are correctly phased. While the earthed ends of each HT winding could be lifted and FW bridge rectification employed, I was reluctant to follow this path due to insulation considerations. There is another trick that I found useful for safely matching non-identical transformers, provided they are much the same size: Apply 230V to the HV secondary windings and compare output voltages - usually 23/26 volts or so. Watch where you put your fingers. Kevin ZL4MD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (rly-dc03.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.32]) by air-dc03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC032-b0d4a5e4c97168; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:39:55 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC031-b0d4a5e4c97168; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:39:37 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MRCBX-00016V-Ke for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:38:43 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MRCBX-00016M-6K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:38:43 +0100 Received: from smtp22.services.sfr.fr ([93.17.128.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MRCBL-00087J-NY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:38:32 +0100 Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2214.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 80B66700008A for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:38:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from euro7g1ku6dl5q (21.171.87-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.87.171.21]) by msfrf2214.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with SMTP id ACEAE7000088 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:38:31 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20090715213831708.ACEAE7000088@msfrf2214.sfr.fr Message-ID: <002601ca0594$98fa7550$0201a8c0@euro7g1ku6dl5q> From: "Claude Berthebaud" To: References: <739698B75D344BD8A9819C8C0F1EDB80@ns94d01ae4d850> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:38:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090715-0, 15/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: captur f8boj.jpg Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01CA05A5.5C2FCE20" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CA05A5.5C2FCE20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bonsoir Henny. and LF group..=20 Thank you for control. 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------=_NextPart_000_0027_01CA0EC6.01102830-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df04.mx.aol.com (rly-df04.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.17]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDF043-5474a5cdc9a1ab; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:29:57 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF046-5474a5cdc9a1ab; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:29:31 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MQng9-0003Ql-9s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:28:41 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MQng8-0003Qb-NS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:28:40 +0100 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MQnfv-00056p-08 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:28:30 +0100 Received: from know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.3]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20090714192829.DLUZ5579.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:28:29 +0100 Received: from [86.26.88.245] (helo=jimdesk) by know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MQnfv-0002jf-Cn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:28:29 +0100 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <1EDB89E6D3E24E008B4897CFE896A09F@lindavideo> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:28:20 +0100 Message-ID: <000301ca04b9$3fdbc9f0$0217aac0@jimdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcoEuJmLZ9Ahbj6yQ62o6y4fKWioVwAAJUIg In-Reply-To: <1EDB89E6D3E24E008B4897CFE896A09F@lindavideo> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=8RloEfZUAAAA:8 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=6Y5fWbYPM_mLeTJXgtAA:9 a=iLKxxzQnUyhduMOXttsA:7 a=ZLRaY25pqjG2fDx0UaecGpczVkYA:4 a=O58u2wXj750A:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=7rrfebrt_x5LBugPZsAA:9 a=psYeeSxSpS7Hi3xrzIgA:7 a=LSparrTD1ouZnCzLi5S8PJNnwmYA:4 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: Microwave oven transformers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01CA04C1.A1A27BE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=EXCUSE_16,HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CA04C1.A1A27BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tesla Roulette!! With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn 26 Birch Close Broom Biggleswade Beds SG18 9NR T +44 (0) 1767 600522 M+44 (0) 7967 300152 E james.cowburn@virgin.net "The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must not read this message. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Consequently, this email is not intended to be contractually binding. If you received this in error, please contact the sender, return the message as well as its attachments and delete the whole from any computer." _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Ken Sent: 14 July 2009 20:22 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Microwave oven transformers Hello everyone. Does any one have experience in using microwave oven transformers in high voltage power units, I acquired two of these at the weekend. I was informed that as they stand the voltage regulation is poor, to improve this the 'Core Shunts' should be removed, (these are laminations between the two stacks), removal of these 'shunts' also has the effect of considerably increasing the magnetisation current. The solution to this seems to be to use two transformers, connecting the both primaries and secondary's in series to restore the 2KV output voltage. Any comments on this most welcome Note for Mal, this is serious stuff not for appliance operators. Regards Ken Wright 73 de M0KHW ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CA04C1.A1A27BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org [mailto:owner-= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: 14 July 2009 20:2= 2
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Microwave= oven transformers

 

Hello everyone.

Does any one have experience in using= microwave oven transformers in high voltage power units, I acquired two of these at= the weekend. I was informed that as they stand the voltage regulation is= poor, to improve this the 'Core Shunts' should be removed, (these are laminations betwe= en the two stacks), removal of these 'shunts' also has the effect of consider= ably increasing the magnetisation current. The solution to this seems to be= to use two transformers, connecting the both primaries and secondary's in ser= ies to restore the 2KV output voltage.

 

Any comments on this most welcome

 

Note for Mal, this is serious stuff not= for appliance operators.

 

Regards

Ken Wright

 

73 de M0KHW

------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CA04C1.A1A27BE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de01.mx.aol.com (rly-de01.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.137]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDE033-4b34a4f4d24215; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 08:38:05 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE018-4b34a4f4d24215; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 08:37:58 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MN4UV-00015a-MX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:37:15 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MN4UV-00015R-6M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:37:15 +0100 Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.213.6]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MN4US-00005k-T0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:37:15 +0100 Received: from [172.23.170.140] (helo=anti-virus02-07) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1MN4US-0005O9-AV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:37:12 +0100 Received: from [92.235.33.173] (helo=p4) by asmtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1MN4UR-0006oV-PB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:37:11 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Mark" To: References: <001401c9fc9c$938f2760$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:37:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Mc Coy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FA_01C9FCAC.889AF180" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00FA_01C9FCAC.889AF180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 30 sec search on the internet http://www.datasheetarchive.com/pdf-datasheets/Datasheets-110/DSAP0042= 37.pdf Mark ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 12:42 PM Subject: LF: Mc Coy Hi all Does anyone have data for Mc Coy electronics XTAL OSCILLATOR MC137X7= -001W 10.000 MHz SN72758-126 This is a module and requires +5v, +15v sealed unit but has an adjus= ter and I expect the osc can be shifted slightly, but enough to be use= ful for 500 Khz divided down. 73 mal/g3kev ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.3/2217 - Release Date: 07/= 03/09 18:11:00 ------=_NextPart_000_00FA_01C9FCAC.889AF180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Hi all
Does anyone have data for Mc Coy el= ectronics XTAL=20 OSCILLATOR MC137X7-001W 10.000 MHz
SN72758-126
This is a module and requires +5v,= +15v sealed=20 unit but has an adjuster and I expect the osc can be shifted slightl= y, but=20 enough to be useful for 500 Khz divided down.
73 mal/g3kev
 


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------=_NextPart_000_00FA_01C9FCAC.889AF180-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (rly-mf05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.175]) by air-mf10.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMF103-9614a64c56e15c; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:29:01 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF057-9614a64c56e15c; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:28:47 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MSyWc-0005UE-H0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:27:50 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MSyWc-0005U5-3d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:27:50 +0100 Received: from mail-gx0-f221.google.com ([209.85.217.221]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MSyWY-0004IJ-2m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:27:48 +0100 Received: by gxk21 with SMTP id 21so4006073gxk.4 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:27:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=w6frPgNPW8PUm4kvLE0by5jfX+BE/J9AQ1tOLgX3TYA=; b=VSPuej1Kt4IgLcbrj73vBXEQqMQJfmCDWCOtOs03sJ7Q9dqsVh8GMeG5famjQ8LnMC MlW03PkV8Q4ngmKzdYp/MhWTAHhiVFIdJdkpMDuuFoZ301auQCDJYrQ+7PvQQS+vTQvK ugsTBOouEc9dFj105kc4RCMLI22bx2b7jv3FQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=q1WTOLNeQfbf6ioOd8HSVgGxQZKJ8PyZDf7YDfNT0ovdOL/ZIXxl8J7msPrMq/jWxx h7ZR/dS7NmuqWNyCqzw+rFnxOdfD88U3n/zG7el6K2HTnSdoyne/gJrcOU+q7tSxxSk8 rVxmKHG+vDQ/b8fbwBWY0UJ3ByfayNzbwrUvs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.226.14 with SMTP id y14mr6304194ybg.3.1248118060013; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:27:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <12821.82.161.81.65.1248110576.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <12821.82.161.81.65.1248110576.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:27:39 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70907201227t5333113bj2ffd4b82c1d1d783@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: IC7200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m266.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) According to QST: "Reduced receiver sensitivity below 500kHz ... *Preamp off/on: 505 kHz, =96121/=96128 dBm; 137 kHz, =96116/=9695 dBm; 30= kHz, =9677/=9666 dBm. The preamp does not improve sensitivity below approximately 250 kHz." --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Roelof Bakker wrote: > Hello all, > > I am looking for information on the LF receiver performance of the new > ICOM IC7200 transceiver. There seems to be a review in the June issue of > QST. > I don't have direct access to QST. Is there someone who has access to QS= T > and can tell me if anything has been said about receiver sensitivity bel= ow > 500 kHz? > > Even better is there someone on this list with first hands experience? > > Thank you in advance. > > Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (rly-dg07.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.91]) by air-dg08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDG081-5df4a5922d0342; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:40:17 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG078-5df4a5922d0342; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:40:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MPm9f-0001vW-3S for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 00:38:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MPm9e-0001vM-Dw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 00:38:54 +0100 Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.78.150]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPm9W-0001g5-Fy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 00:38:47 +0100 Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 13so377500eye.14 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:38:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=GD74TJZ23kjq/GH3IYAt+zuVDJ3e2c/TnMBqsA32Z4I=; b=osgF538c9984XUEJ1S6D4D41gSHP+/GbrjyejbamzDzliOyeYLX9Z3vDS6JDM238Oo KGsokxahw4emA2Z9Ki01RtzgFpRNaq+Sn1cgLMpE/y2UhB9/bj7zNnTb45AxHSHJaG// UquoLfxzf8gpPfZZyXIbQD7XCsHz4H4BEiP2w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Hp0y60rQrpjsry1ZAMaIoEtiomCUi7tvOI8++hcI0jG6l5d5Xd7eL86Tp2Gfn1dkaC Z8O73W2anzVqGhW3kr9NFa8vTcIGwUmKsOiIf/i3acae3wLa6dT4d+Pon1W6nydm+8Iv /7TNr+W5VSV2hpHbRDQFVpfgGpJ0xnt+TQqJ0= Received: by 10.210.70.8 with SMTP id s8mr4267013eba.46.1247355531118; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.218.2.9? (sighthound.demon.co.uk [80.177.174.126]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm2470247eyg.18.2009.07.11.16.38.50 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:38:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A592289.2010501@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:38:49 +0000 From: thule User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8bf118410907100011s696aa712sbd88bd3a023e1c39@mail.gmail.com> <001401ca0147$dc500d20$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <001401ca0147$dc500d20$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m244.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) mal hamilton wrote: > and a pedal powered power source will communicate on. I can't wait for that eventuality! At least having to pedal - for every erg - might limit the endless "CQ CQ CQ ......QSK......QSX......" transmissions that aren't beacons, honest officer, every character is sent by hand....ho ho ho From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb09.mx.aol.com (rly-mb09.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.167]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMB074-d2a4a6caecc273; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:30:38 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb09.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB096-d2a4a6caecc273; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:30:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MV9Pf-0005nd-1f for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:29:39 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MV9Pe-0005nS-LZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:29:38 +0100 Received: from mail-gx0-f221.google.com ([209.85.217.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MV9PJ-0005tS-E1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:29:17 +0100 Received: by gxk21 with SMTP id 21so4770208gxk.4 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:29:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=jDKpeHBZQmpVhvuH5xqtMLxccBZX5MxwYjwbcX2UPmM=; b=EuL+l8FHefHMBeVqyaY0ixMel/QAiVExp8WfS/rC9uEfGnnY2vGHWd7VbB6VC5B3AI SPytmrX6QpL8MZXlxeGcAbBw0xWfTP27fJ+VDjD2zWmE6ay97USf90ksjJCoOr7fbY+/ 6GLkGnKKGYdIsmhxvXlZD9LIgLg5ybbUG/89k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=QQXIOI/pXp7Yf3b72tmwbYikpDVEzywrPgmkqhIXqzuM6BLeltPeS9GPKcoUjYkzvP H3//47YQXPuVDQ+vUZ2tKPaGHegESHIyKC1t7zFwAv4wS0Vf2YYOuvlL2SlOb8DTBrk1 R3qkOZk0iKrpd4Y3kzNY9nk6teFaEBv6oWHB0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.153.5 with SMTP id a5mr9439028ybe.170.1248636568818; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:29:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1D496EEA3DC24D80B7BB41DE5FAB20EB@Silver> References: <1D496EEA3DC24D80B7BB41DE5FAB20EB@Silver> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:29:28 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70907261229k798570e3m5bb7ddc6c9a45f3e@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ July 14 - 26 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d234.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Markus, Thank you for the captures and the 'grabber' it is a great help in determining propagation. WD2XGJ QRT tonight due to lightning activity. -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 6:24 AM, Markus Vester wrote: > Hello Warren, > > here's an assembly of recent receptions of WD2XGJ in Nuernberg. > > Kind regards, > Markus, DF6NM > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (rly-dc10.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.39]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC084-b474a5cf8a6ad; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:29:28 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC103-b474a5cf8a6ad; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:29:12 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MQpXl-00046a-If for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:28:09 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MQpXi-00046R-Jp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:28:06 +0100 Received: from smtp133.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.107.116]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MQpXf-0001Mc-7B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:28:03 +0100 Received: (qmail 50350 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2009 21:27:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=pjzXLFktRn8JKZsxAg+ki/StzSvwlS3yPBlpA2ePM/5vaVggF33MKjnp++lb/wcNOexEQk83U5P0lA7LR3XEHqVKJmWtdAqNJzVYFwX+c5VYMnMjft5kETF2HIcFViYBblkK3YbZbV2CzmqHFw/GnQJ8j/YOCf/Rx5O+j8RUR0A= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lindavideo) (ken.h.wright@86.140.224.132 with login) by smtp133.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 21:27:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: APVNTmmswBB1ajQe0.MR1eIpHqOdoGKpEnK7HtPhl2t5AIcci3nTdw-- X-YMail-OSG: VouyEycVM1lU6aMZsxh.nji5LATxjaytwgEX_5I3gpVknEFBnxAIkeq22FLmLz57_0nJEj2yaKHQ137w4SazbDdX2cIcp71S9KbVb2pvyzmsyFVkEvIzwRblYURyanaGJdNwxQjbYAaiPWx1MetJ0ssSMCQ67lz842VY8PX27STICmpSXXHIbelTyiWCciHuwXMGJr_h_s.Mwd3wsKpXNqMPam.L2fjYlmyoMmvuhKVKH0F1LKerEPmJolaOm883OK3p3OvSYnaqq2iMkBDU12c7gc0Rx38FYrRPG9DMno.LzxbaAFnuSdv0T.wIwxJxAkJFS9mRHqiTeLr8MTMGcKdqxLOw.Zl45z0a7N0t X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <330FD012C06148C5A348EDA5928E5CA5@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <1EDB89E6D3E24E008B4897CFE896A09F@lindavideo> <000301ca04b9$3fdbc9f0$0217aac0@jimdesk> <59B43DAF72704927B6E58971E3B9D56A@lindavideo> <000e01ca04bd$5b441900$0217aac0@jimdesk> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:27:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: RE: Microwave oven transformers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01CA04D2.542C40B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.3 required=5.0 tests=EXCUSE_16,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, HTML_60_70,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CA04D2.542C40B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim. Ok Jim. I took your comments in good faith, once you get in the realms= of 2KV one does need to be very careful. I will keep you posted with= progress, the first task is to have the PA working with 1200V, then= move on to 2KV. Regards Ken 73deM0KHW =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: James Cowburn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 8:57 PM Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: Microwave oven transformers Sorry Ken,=20 =20 I did not mean to trivialize or be facetious but microwave transform= ers do have a reputation for biting. I will refrain from further obvi= ous comments!! J =20 =20 With best regards =20 =20 Jim =20 =20 Dr. James Cowburn 26 Birch Close Broom Biggleswade Beds SG18 9NR =20 T +44 (0) 1767 600522 M+44 (0) 7967 300152 E james.cowburn@virgin.net =20 "The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom= it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged materi= al. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified tha= t you must not read this message. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking= of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entiti= es other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Consequently, thi= s email is not intended to be contractually binding. If you received this in error, please contact the sender, return the= message as well as its attachments and delete the whole from any comp= uter." =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Ken Sent: 14 July 2009 20:34 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: RE: Microwave oven transformers =20 Jim. There will probably be a fair bit of technical smoke comimg out of= Luton, but that is what our hobby is all about, any other usefull sug= estions? =20 Krgards. Ken 73deM0KHW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: James Cowburn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 8:28 PM Subject: LF: RE: Microwave oven transformers =20 Tesla Roulette!! =20 With best regards =20 =20 Jim =20 =20 Dr. James Cowburn 26 Birch Close Broom Biggleswade Beds SG18 9NR =20 T +44 (0) 1767 600522 M+44 (0) 7967 300152 E james.cowburn@virgin.net =20 "The information transmitted is intended only for the person to wh= om it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged mate= rial. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified= that you must not read this message. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taki= ng of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or enti= ties other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Consequently,= this email is not intended to be contractually binding. If you received this in error, please contact the sender, return= the message as well as its attachments and delete the whole from any= computer." =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_gro= up@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Ken Sent: 14 July 2009 20:22 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Microwave oven transformers =20 Hello everyone. Does any one have experience in using microwave oven transformers= in high voltage power units, I acquired two of these at the weekend.= I was informed that as they stand the voltage regulation is poor, to= improve this the 'Core Shunts' should be removed, (these are laminati= ons between the two stacks), removal of these 'shunts' also has the ef= fect of considerably increasing the magnetisation current. The solutio= n to this seems to be to use two transformers, connecting the both pri= maries and secondary's in series to restore the 2KV output voltage. =20 Any comments on this most welcome =20 Note for Mal, this is serious stuff not for appliance operators. =20 Regards Ken Wright =20 73 de M0KHW ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CA04D2.542C40B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jim.
Ok Jim. I took your comments in good= faith, once=20 you get in the realms of 2KV one does need to be very careful. I will= keep you=20 posted with progress, the first task is to have the PA working with 12= 00V, then=20 move on to 2KV.
Regards
Ken
 
73deM0KHW  
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009= 8:57=20 PM
Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: Micr= owave oven=20 transformers

Sorry= Ken,=20

&= nbsp;

I did= not mean to=20 trivialize or be facetious but microwave transformers do have a repu= tation for=20 biting.  I will refrain from further obvious comments!! = =20 J

&= nbsp;

&= nbsp;

With= best=20 regards

 

 

Jim

 

 

Dr. Ja= mes=20 Cowburn

26 Bir= ch=20 CloseBroom<= /SPAN><= /o:p>

Biggle= swade=

Beds

SG18= =20 9NR=

 

T +44= (0) 1767=20 600522

M+44= (0) 7967=20 300152

E james.cowburn@virgin.net=

 

=93The=20 information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it= is=20 addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material.= If you are=20 not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must no= t read=20 this message.
Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other= use of, or=20 taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons= or entities=20 other than the intended recipient is prohibited.  Consequently,= this=20 email is not intended to be contractually binding.
If you receive= d this in=20 error, please contact the sender, return the message as well as its= =20 attachments and delete the whole from any computer.=94=

 =

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From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org] On= Behalf Of Ken
= Sent: 14 July 2009 20:34
To: rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: RE: Microwave oven=20 transformers

 

Jim.

=

There will probably be a fair bit= =20 of technical smoke comimg out of Luton, but=20 that is what our hobby is all about, any other usefull=20 sugestions?

 

Krgards.=

Ken

<= /DIV>

73deM0KHW

----- Original Message -----= =20

Sent:=20 Tuesday, July 14, 2009 8:28 PM

Subject= : LF: RE:=20 Microwave oven transformers

 

Tes= la=20 Roulette!!

 

Wit= h best=20 regards

 =

 =

Jim

 =

 =

Dr.= James=20 Cowburn

26= Birch=20 Close

Bro= om<= o:p>

Big= gleswade

Bed= s

SG1= 8=20 9NR

 =

T= +44 (0) 1767=20 600522

M+4= 4 (0) 7967=20 300152

E= james.cowburn@virgin.net

 =

=93The=20 information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it= is=20 addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material.= If you=20 are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you= must not=20 read this message.
Any review, retransmission, dissemination or= other use=20 of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by= persons or=20 entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. =20 Consequently, this email is not intended to be contractually bindi= ng.
If=20 you received this in error, please contact the sender, return the= message as=20 well as its attachments and delete the whole from any=20 computer.=94

 

Fro= m:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o= rg=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org] Sent: 14 July 2009 20:22
To: rs= gb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Microwave oven=20 transformers

 

Hello=20 everyone.

Does any one have experience= in=20 using microwave oven transformers in high voltage power units, I= acquired=20 two of these at the weekend. I was informed that as they stand the= voltage=20 regulation is poor, to improve this the 'Core Shunts' should be re= moved,=20 (these are laminations between the two stacks), removal of these= 'shunts'=20 also has the effect of considerably increasing the magnetisation= current.=20 The solution to this seems to be to use two transformers, connecti= ng the=20 both primaries and secondary's in series to restore the 2KV output= =20 voltage.

 

Any comments on this most=20 welcome

 

Note for Mal, this is serious= =20 stuff not for appliance operators.

 

Regards

Ken=20 Wright

 

73 de=20 M0KHW

------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CA04D2.542C40B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md06.mx.aol.com (rly-md06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.144]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMD052-90f4a6362384a; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:13:40 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md06.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD067-90f4a6362384a; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:13:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MSar6-0002o2-K2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:11:24 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MSar6-0002nt-19 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:11:24 +0100 Received: from psmtp04.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MSar2-00032K-Rs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:11:22 +0100 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp04.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KN100JGYJUNQB@psmtp04.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:11:11 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:10:57 +0200 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <43D6D6F988DD4A538E957EC2AD60E036@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: AFJ 19-07.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_gzKtjcyJsrDhhSUJu5tpfA)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_gzKtjcyJsrDhhSUJu5tpfA) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ixM9N3BfwB+1+yomgLyRhA)" --Boundary_(ID_ixM9N3BfwB+1+yomgLyRhA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi J-P,LF strong signal Henny pa3cpm 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: AFJ 19-07.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. --Boundary_(ID_ixM9N3BfwB+1+yomgLyRhA) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Hi J-P,LF
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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:58:59 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MRBZ2-0002nK-55 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:58:58 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B33414C8103 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:58:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A594E4C809F for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:58:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A5E430A.7070200@online.fr> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:58:50 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <739698B75D344BD8A9819C8C0F1EDB80@ns94d01ae4d850> In-Reply-To: <739698B75D344BD8A9819C8C0F1EDB80@ns94d01ae4d850> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: f8boj signal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Claude , Henny , LF , Claude ton signal est monstrueux ici ! ( regardes sur le grabber ) Claude your signal is monstrous here! (look on the grabber) 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db02.mx.aol.com (rly-db02.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.77]) by air-db08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDB083-aac4a64566a2c3; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:35:19 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB022-aac4a64566a2c3; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:35:09 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MSr8V-0004TJ-8J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:34:27 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MSr8U-0004TA-To for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:34:26 +0100 Received: from mailout09.t-online.de ([194.25.134.84]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MSr8F-0005NL-CW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:34:11 +0100 Received: from fwd01.aul.t-online.de by mailout09.t-online.de with smtp id 1MSr8P-0003yK-00; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:34:21 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.22] (XRkaTBZf8hj1Ein5C2dBqKmFyuTz+aR9gDB1hTbkGnDOWxHF5z73zvrdmQMSwdkQ0+@[93.211.89.54]) by fwd01.t-online.de with esmtp id 1MSr82-1NLlAm0; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:33:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de References:<20541.82.92.124.189.1248088034.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To:<20541.82.92.124.189.1248088034.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> To: X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 6.08.0003 Date: 20 Jul 2009 11:33 GMT Message-ID: <1MSr82-1NLlAm0@fwd01.t-online.de> X-ID: XRkaTBZf8hj1Ein5C2dBqKmFyuTz+aR9gDB1hTbkGnDOWxHF5z73zvrdmQMSwdkQ0+ X-TOI-MSGID: 8a9f1e92-f24f-4180-8783-2644b3645a8c X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 504khz harmonic. Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear all, I guess I can conform this, because in eastern Bavaria I receive the 504 signal using an untuned wire loop followed by a preselector before the receiver. 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "Roelof Bakker" schrieb: > Hello Alan, Gary, > > The harmonic of RTE 252 on 504 kHz has been reported all over Westen > Europe on all kind of antennas as does not seem to be an antenna or > receiver anomaly. > > Best regards, > Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me06.mx.aol.com (rly-me06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.40]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINME042-9c04a4fe2d71d; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 19:16:55 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me06.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME064-9c04a4fe2d71d; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 19:16:41 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MNESP-0002Fp-PF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:15:45 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MNESP-0002Fg-7T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:15:45 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MNESN-0005j4-6g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:15:45 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3527.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id BCFBB1C00082 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 01:15:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.36.131]) by mwinf3527.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 39DFE1C00081 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 01:15:33 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090704231533237.39DFE1C00081@mwinf3527.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <6CC4F81069B34BCEB50DE9D509B7157B@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <908B19DF06BE4ECEB3A61470A89BEFA8@Black> <20090703100648.865C531E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <20090703113546.640D731E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <09DF43BF4A974C1D80DF9BC90E77B1E3@AGB> In-Reply-To: <09DF43BF4A974C1D80DF9BC90E77B1E3@AGB> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 00:15:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C9FD05.ACEE1E00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C9FD05.ACEE1E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the reports from this evening, A little problem with the rx at the start of the night at 1945 missed G3KEV and G3XIZ , and possibly two other stations called at the first cq ..lots of noise from the rx, doesn't always mean its actually working ....=20 , Gary for the grabber plot, looks like the 'new' parallel tuner is working=20 Rik, tnx for the dx report ,=20 73 - Graham .=20 From: Graham=20 Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 7:34 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT 4 july ROUND 1930 ONWARDS Operating on 502.00 khz cw ,=20 RX 502 kx +/- also rx on 3533 / 7033 cw - cross band =20 Possibly operating till round 2400 hrs=20 qsl GB4FPR@HOTMAIL.CO.UK=20 Reports welcome=20 Tnx- Graham=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Thanks for the  reports from thi= s=20 evening,
 
A little problem with the  rx at=   the=20 start of the night at 1945
missed G3KEV and G3XIZ , and possibly= two other=20 stations called
at the  first cq ..lots of = noise from=20 the  rx, doesn't always
mean its actually  working ....=
 
 , Gary  for the  grab= ber plot,=20 looks like the 'new'
parallel tuner is working
 
Rik, tnx for the dx report , <= /DIV>
 
73 - Graham .
 
 
 

From: Graham
Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 7:34 PM
Subject: LF: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930=20 ONWARDS

 GB4FPR  502.00 KHZ TONIGHT=   4 july=20 ROUND 1930  ONWARDS
 
Operating on 502.00  khz cw ,
 
RX 502 kx +/-  also rx on = 3533 /=20 7033  cw -  cross band 
 
Possibly operating till  round&n= bsp; 2400 hrs=20
 
 
Reports welcome
 
Tnx- Graham
 
 
 
 

 


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------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C9FD05.ACEE1E00-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md09.mx.aol.com (rly-md09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.147]) by air-md07.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMD073-9274a6f58a8c7; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:59:54 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md09.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD097-9274a6f58a8c7; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:59:38 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MVso1-0001Fu-7I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 20:57:49 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MVso0-0001Fl-Qu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 20:57:48 +0100 Received: from mail-gx0-f216.google.com ([209.85.217.216]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MVsnw-0000dS-P7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 20:57:46 +0100 Received: by gxk12 with SMTP id 12so454881gxk.4 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:57:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4EvMBL53F1h1HNPkastwHlBjBiLmp8RHvXGvDI5SjuM=; b=TGSpEx/+AmP4cQtIoe7YpQLssLU6uJLZ0RlFmNR3IuRSh0cOMBzPRqOmiXjLWsHgLf HIYIZXTizq4clVjqeqq//oTO73Ipb+ahZVT3jYWslVl6o4/6KTtHwOPThcCiAQJyC1lK S1u7w9Y5xGrIr3cmxMGGLjUUlnALSAuJoUY/M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=lXOoiO7z1WnKgnXUa26g2YdrxscwYX0O5aSG7NdXZ+GTA9S5BzmYjDDMPZwOcgUy66 aWATfnVUiesed5szu4rGs3dtxxzVXtMpxe8ICH6QyKitpqtCQG7Au5rrg3luDSfnVd9O 0S/i16c+NWWx6MUOI4o3wK0IlK1wb+4/0zETY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.101.12 with SMTP id d12mr14045019ybm.267.1248811057800; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:57:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:57:37 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70907281257n52d8c1aaoe0bef46ee7f69dbc@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: WD2XSH Modification Granted Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d295.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) The FCC today granted the requested modification for the WD2XSH license, adding stations (there are now 42 vs 23 previously) and extending the band to 495-510 kHz, still 20W ERP, cw, and PSK/MSK up to 31 baud. However, the FCC declined the request for privileges to make two way contacts with foreign amateurs. -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/20 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (rly-dd09.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.156]) by air-dd05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDD053-b9e4a6c1f8b62; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 05:19:21 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD098-b9e4a6c1f8b62; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 05:19:09 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MUzrd-0004Fb-SR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 10:17:53 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MUzrd-0004FS-Dx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 10:17:53 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with 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local (Exim 4.14) id 1MQlWl-0003AR-2q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:10:51 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MQlWk-0003AI-Bz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:10:50 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MQlWh-0008Tc-0L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:10:49 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap4EAANZXEpOlrTr/2dsb2JhbACCVIIbiAsGxVOCPYFLBQ Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.180.235]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 18:10:41 +0100 Message-ID: <001d01ca04a6$040921b0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <001001ca046e$24db0e90$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:10:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: LF: Re: TM R836 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA04AE.65813E70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA04AE.65813E70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pin ID for the 19 pin socket would be a help, this would save me a lot= of tracing. The tubes are unusual and difficult to ID, hard wired int= o the cct board, covered with screening cans/clips. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:30 AM Subject: LF: TM R836 TM or cct details for ARC R836/ARN, LF DF receiver 190 - 1750 khz ne= eded if anyone can help. It looks like it could be useful for 500 khzx= . 73 de mal/g3kev ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.13/2237 - Release Date: 07= /14/09 05:56:00 ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA04AE.65813E70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Pin ID for the 19 pin socket would be= a help, this=20 would save me a lot of tracing. The tubes are unusual and difficult&nb= sp;to ID,=20 hard wired into the cct board,  covered with screening=20 cans/clips.
de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009= 11:30=20 AM
Subject: LF: TM R836

TM or cct details for ARC R836/ARN,= LF DF=20 receiver 190 - 1750 khz needed if anyone can help. It looks like it= could be=20 useful for 500 khzx.
73 de mal/g3kev
 


No virus found in this incoming message.
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------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA04AE.65813E70-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db07.mx.aol.com (rly-db07.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.82]) by air-db02.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDB022-ad94a6812d638; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 03:35:52 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB077-ad94a6812d638; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 03:35:52 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTsoa-0003rv-VL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 08:34:08 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTsoa-0003rm-Kj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 08:34:08 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTsoI-0007k1-Cc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 08:33:51 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04F164C8108 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:34:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F09BC4C80F3 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:33:59 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A681267.9010602@online.fr> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:33:59 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001ca0922$9cf3c580$6401a8c0@asus> <006501ca0926$8f4743e0$0900a8c0@AM> In-Reply-To: <006501ca0926$8f4743e0$0900a8c0@AM> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: [137kHz] T/A WD2XGJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Warren , LF , Just a small trace last night ! Or the propagation are very bad ? Or Warren forgot to bring PA ! Or perhaps spots of the sun of these last days 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf08.mx.aol.com (rly-mf08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.178]) by air-mf06.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMF064-9784a5c5ed1190; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:33:05 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF086-9784a5c5ed1190; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:32:51 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MQfHj-0002Ru-Ca for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:30:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MQfHi-0002Rl-Sq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:30:54 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MQfHY-0007QC-P3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:30:45 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhcFAMv6W0pOlrTr/2dsb2JhbACCJy2CG4R/gwkGwXeECAU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.180.235]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 11:30:44 +0100 Message-ID: <001001ca046e$24db0e90$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:30:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: TM R836 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA0476.8619F2E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA0476.8619F2E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable TM or cct details for ARC R836/ARN, LF DF receiver 190 - 1750 khz need= ed if anyone can help. It looks like it could be useful for 500 khzx. 73 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA0476.8619F2E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
TM or cct details for ARC R836/ARN,= LF DF receiver=20 190 - 1750 khz needed if anyone can help. It looks like it could be us= eful for=20 500 khzx.
73 de mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA0476.8619F2E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df02.mx.aol.com (rly-df02.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.15]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDF031-52e4a5723d7173; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:19:58 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF021-52e4a5723d7173; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:19:53 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MPE8G-0003vf-Q4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:19:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MPE8F-0003vW-7r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:19:11 +0100 Received: from mailex.atlas.pipex.net ([194.154.164.64]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPE88-0003AR-Mg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:19:05 +0100 Received: from [62.249.237.217] (helo=daddave) by mail10.atlas.pipex.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPE8C-0003SB-P3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:19:09 +0100 From: "Michael Probert GW4HXO" To: Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:18:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcoBSTBqBBMRh2HHRZGj9vm/syT68wABkXEg In-Reply-To: <001401ca0147$dc500d20$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Message-Id: Subject: RE: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Finbar, Maybe Mal has a point? Seems a bit odd that the MOD are going to jam= an important service for a couple of hours. Can you imagine it they jamm= ed TV for a day or two, would be nice! Best regards Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 10 July 2009 11:19 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Like I said when the big BANG comes the Appliance operator and his dat= a=20 gadgets will be rendered useless, whereas a Radio Amateur with his 2= valved=20 RX/TX, a morse key, a piece of wire for antenna and a pedal powered po= wer=20 source will communicate on. We all managed to commumicate and navigate this past 100 years without= these gadgets, unfortunately today the majority seem to be totally dependant= on=20 computers and associated data devices. These gadgets are handy but mak= e a=20 person LAZY and forgetful about how to write and operate CW as a tool= to=20 communicate. G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Dave Pick" To: Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 8:11 AM Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Perhaps we should encourage a Loran jamming excercise to prove that it isn't the un-jammable marvel that its cracked up to be? ;-) Dave G3YXM 2009/7/9 Dave G3WCB : > Hmmm... I can only see an electricity substation at that exact > location...the source will probably on Henley's Down or somewhere si= milar. > > It'll mess-up any GPS-disciplined beacons (LF or Microwave)for a few= =20 > hours! > > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Andy Talbot > Sent: 08 July 2009 22:36 > To: ukmicrowaves@yahoogroups.com; uk_beacons@yahoogroups.com; > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Fwd: Fw: Ofcom Update: Date Correction - Forthcoming GP= S > jamming exercises > > > The Lat/Long converts to: > Loc. JO00FV41 > NGR TQ723122 > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > --- On Wed, 8/7/09, Updates wrote: > > From: Updates > Subject: Ofcom Update: Date Correction - Forthcoming GPS jamming exe= rcises > To: > Date: Wednesday, 8 July, 2009, 11:14 AM > > The MoD has informed Ofcom of the following GPS jamming exercise: > > Dates: 14th and 15th October 2009. > > Times: Maximum of two hours between the times of 08:00-12:00 and > 13:30=9615:30 each day. > > Location: Within 1km of N50=B0 53.0=92 and E000=B0 27.0=92 (Bexhill,= East Sussex). > > Contact: Trial Manager (during the trial) on 07776 484226. > > ......................................................................= ..... > > > --=20 G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.9/2228 - Release Date: 07/09= /09=20 18:07:00 __________ NOD32 4231 (20090710) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de09.mx.aol.com (rly-de09.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.145]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDE042-4fe4a548709a5; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 07:46:43 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de09.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE093-4fe4a548709a5; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 07:46:21 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MOVam-0005X9-5k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:45:40 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MOVal-0005X0-Mt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:45:39 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.53]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MOVaj-0003p1-Pl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:45:39 +0100 X-Trace: 226371091/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.66.227/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.66.227 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjsFABMkVEpYakLj/2dsb2JhbACDK1eGdoNegSDAcgmDfwU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,368,1243810800"; d="scan'208";a="226371091" Received: from 88-106-66-227.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.66.227]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 08 Jul 2009 12:45:36 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:45:37 +0100 Message-ID: <001001c9ffc1$9cb7ec00$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: Acn/v6DlhbwTiE1JRDOiXCcCBZ9kOgAAHiwg X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: G4WGT Grabber Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Andy, LF, Thank you Andy, I was about to place an answer to David's query, his question has prompted me to add a little more info on the grabber page. Thanks to you both. Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot Sent: 08 July 2009 12:27 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: G4WGT Grabber The red one is my 503.7kHz beacon at the quarter hour + 4 minute intervals, using teh same Tx format as teh GB3RAL/WES/ORK beacons. Green abd blue slots are availalble for other beacons, black is teh background noise. Andy www.g4jnt.com 2009/7/7 : > In a message dated 07/07/2009 20:54:29 GMT Standard Time, > g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk writes: > > > > Please have a look & I will be interested in your comments. > > > > Looks good to me. Thanks for the resource. > > On the third plot, what are the green black blue and red traces? > > Thanks > > David From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (rly-mg04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.110]) by air-mg10.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMG101-a084a4b55c12b3; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 08:25:42 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG042-a084a4b55c12b3; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 08:25:40 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MLyrl-00068R-HD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:24:45 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MLyrl-00068I-3w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:24:45 +0100 Received: from mail-gx0-f227.google.com ([209.85.217.227]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MLyri-0001pO-S8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:24:45 +0100 Received: by gxk27 with SMTP id 27so1236839gxk.4 for ; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 05:24:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=GkqqmRIkkRkKlMKMaAg/i4yHOLbW5L1cIQV32l1/yVo=; b=MN08XdqodZXcAw1D0SEfElVk8MrUiIfw3I6tPd4shDJ0eielawsaO2YoNtSTa4qRG6 rC+Uu8uC58BwE2WsptbdhiJyqExRQFiYDxhajxBrdcq1HZqXiV7/fpYQBC00Nigx0TTE AmkEXiR2Z91Oc6QyXw4/WKAV2bslDPhDXW5oo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=R0E5qeJ55GL4HJlUQs5JPqqYO42Z1lQ14brYu1cwY2q71b1HjOrm+TauWEvqHqeDfj SG8bnBTIyGyiRaUUivvpUdTn0j9WdvY8Y4TRUWtl/m32icnkBRGrFrc30YQNv6kAr8JP klVgGM9bLKgIzabSEvMpmY0k3WbeAah4v7tHE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.39.4 with SMTP id d4mr2268674ibe.37.1246451075910; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 05:24:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A4B1D4D.9080405@online.fr> References: <78F2CD8B176D4B5C94B33006E7864019@ns94d01ae4d850> <4A4B1D4D.9080405@online.fr> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 08:24:35 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70907010524k43e707ffkae2899beea6d7523@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 01-07.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m228.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Henny, Jean-Pierre, Thank you for the reports and captures! --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:24 AM, "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 (F1AFJ)" wrote: > Hi Henny , Warren , > > Yes ! good copy of XGJ last night . > > 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj > > henny van elst a =E9crit : >> >> Hello Warren,LF, >> capture XGJ >> Henny pa3cpm >> best 73s >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (rly-mg01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.107]) by air-mg03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMG033-9f24a5ce389105; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:59:36 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG014-9f24a5ce389105; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:59:06 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MQo8d-0003i2-QN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:58:07 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MQo8d-0003ht-0F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:58:07 +0100 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MQo8P-0005JP-KI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:57:57 +0100 Received: from know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.2]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20090714195753.QLFS6742.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:57:53 +0100 Received: from [86.26.88.245] (helo=jimdesk) by know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MQo8N-0005ce-EW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:57:53 +0100 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <1EDB89E6D3E24E008B4897CFE896A09F@lindavideo> <000301ca04b9$3fdbc9f0$0217aac0@jimdesk> <59B43DAF72704927B6E58971E3B9D56A@lindavideo> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:57:44 +0100 Message-ID: <000e01ca04bd$5b441900$0217aac0@jimdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcoEujJuxVeEBP2RT5CMuiBwwES4ZAAAuHsg In-Reply-To: <59B43DAF72704927B6E58971E3B9D56A@lindavideo> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=8RloEfZUAAAA:8 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=6ighMCG9WntCp6FJ5_gA:9 a=YkFBFXgTZF4zjdCl8tMA:7 a=StcWLl90zYq0asr_0bxvQzzQVIYA:4 a=O58u2wXj750A:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=D9kbpkrCpSrlXFOV:21 a=emymBknhcE7zMPsI:21 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=Q58WNEsbO_bUY3CUf2sA:9 a=p-3DS5EUBfp52BWGM3YA:7 a=_DIBCSJrmWSqq3r1GLIJ_K7cK6QA:4 a=KHr3HLUKDJYvNzt8:21 a=H_C9ZmxHpIMVQa-L:21 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: Microwave oven transformers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA04C5.BD088100" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=EXCUSE_16,HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA04C5.BD088100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry Ken, I did not mean to trivialize or be facetious but microwave transformers do have a reputation for biting. I will refrain from further obvious comments!! :-) With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn 26 Birch Close Broom Biggleswade Beds SG18 9NR T +44 (0) 1767 600522 M+44 (0) 7967 300152 E james.cowburn@virgin.net "The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must not read this message. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Consequently, this email is not intended to be contractually binding. If you received this in error, please contact the sender, return the message as well as its attachments and delete the whole from any computer." _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Ken Sent: 14 July 2009 20:34 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: RE: Microwave oven transformers Jim. There will probably be a fair bit of technical smoke comimg out of Luton, but that is what our hobby is all about, any other usefull sugestions? Krgards. Ken 73deM0KHW ----- Original Message ----- From: James Cowburn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 8:28 PM Subject: LF: RE: Microwave oven transformers Tesla Roulette!! With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn 26 Birch Close Broom Biggleswade Beds SG18 9NR T +44 (0) 1767 600522 M+44 (0) 7967 300152 E james.cowburn@virgin.net "The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must not read this message. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Consequently, this email is not intended to be contractually binding. If you received this in error, please contact the sender, return the message as well as its attachments and delete the whole from any computer." _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Ken Sent: 14 July 2009 20:22 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Microwave oven transformers Hello everyone. Does any one have experience in using microwave oven transformers in high voltage power units, I acquired two of these at the weekend. I was informed that as they stand the voltage regulation is poor, to improve this the 'Core Shunts' should be removed, (these are laminations between the two stacks), removal of these 'shunts' also has the effect of considerably increasing the magnetisation current. The solution to this seems to be to use two transformers, connecting the both primaries and secondary's in series to restore the 2KV output voltage. Any comments on this most welcome Note for Mal, this is serious stuff not for appliance operators. Regards Ken Wright 73 de M0KHW ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA04C5.BD088100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sorry Ken,

 

I did not mean= to trivialize or be facetious but microwave transformers do have a reputation for biting.&= nbsp; I will refrain from further obvious comments!!  J

 

 

With best regar= ds

 

 

Jim=

 

 

Dr. James Cowbu= rn

26 Birch Close<= /span>=

Broom

Biggleswade

Beds

SG18 9NR=

 

T +44 (0) 1767= 600522

M+44 (0) 7967= 300152

E james.cowburn@virgin.net

 

<= span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;color:black;font-style:it= alic'>“The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain= confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient, you= are hereby notified that you must not read this message.
Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking= of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other= than the intended recipient is prohibited.  Consequently, this email is no= t intended to be contractually binding.
If you received this in error, please contact the sender, return the= message as well as its attachments and delete the whole from any computer.”=

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org [mailto:owner-= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: 14 July 2009 20:3= 4
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: RE: Mi= crowave oven transformers

 

Jim.

There will probably be a fair bit of te= chnical smoke comimg out of Luton, but that is what our= hobby is all about, any other usefull sugestions?

 

Krgards.

Ken

73deM0KHW

----- Original Message -----

Sent:= Tuesday, July 14, 2009 8:28 PM

Subject: LF: RE: Microwave oven transformers

 

Tesla Roulette!= !

 

With best regar= ds

 

 

Jim=

 

 

Dr. James Cowbu= rn

26 Birch Close<= /span>=

Broom

Biggleswade

Beds

SG18 9NR=

 

T +44 (0) 1767= 600522

M+44 (0) 7967= 300152

E james.cowburn@virgin.net

 

<= span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;color:black;font-style:it= alic'>“The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended= recipient, you are hereby notified that you must not read this message.
Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking= of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other= than the intended recipient is prohibited.  Consequently, this email is no= t intended to be contractually binding.
If you received this in error, please contact the sender, return the= message as well as its attachments and delete the whole from any computer.”=

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org [mailto:owner-= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: 14 July 2009 20:2= 2
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Microwave= oven transformers

 

Hello everyone.

Does any one have experience in using= microwave oven transformers in high voltage power units, I acquired two of these at= the weekend. I was informed that as they stand the voltage regulation is= poor, to improve this the 'Core Shunts' should be removed, (these are laminatio= ns between the two stacks), removal of these 'shunts' also has the effect= of considerably increasing the magnetisation current. The solution to thi= s seems to be to use two transformers, connecting the both primaries and secon= dary's in series to restore the 2KV output voltage.

 

Any comments on this most welcome

 

Note for Mal, this is serious stuff not= for appliance operators.

 

Regards

Ken Wright

 

73 de M0KHW

------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA04C5.BD088100-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb05.mx.aol.com (rly-mb05.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.163]) by air-mb06.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMB064-d0c4a5228522b9; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:37:50 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb05.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB058-d0c4a5228522b9; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:37:41 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MNrAk-0000fI-AE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:36:06 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MNrAj-0000f9-Do for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:36:05 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MNrAh-00029e-7Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:36:05 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuYEAHHDUUpZ8h+r/2dsb2JhbACCJi6CFId/BsIggkCBUgU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.242.31.171]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 06 Jul 2009 17:35:51 +0100 Message-ID: <003501c9fe57$d2e5dfa0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <001401c9fc9c$938f2760$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <006b01c9fd86$2acc8020$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 17:35:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mc Coy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01C9FE60.330DD5B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C9FE60.330DD5B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mark As u say it does not move much only a few Hz. This is a pity because= it would make a nice osc for mf divided down. tnx for ur observations de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 8:54 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Mc Coy Mal, no problem, the info is indeed a bit limited about the Hz/V for the= adjustment. The data sheet seems to suggest that the control voltage is capable= of modulating the oscillator, which implies a fast slew rate. This is= not particularly good if you intend to just use the oscillator as a= fixed frequency source. It means you must filter the control voltage= better.=20 Of course using the source at low frequencies, none of the issues of= this type of source will manifest themselves significantly, but it is= probable that the performance of a microwave local oscillator locked= to one of these may be a bit noisy. To better understand the unit's characteristics, measure the frequen= cy at extremes of the control voltage range. That is about all the inf= ormation that is missing. most oscillators of this type have a fairly limited tuning range, so= you may find pulling the unit to your desired frequency on 500KHz is= not possible. To reach 505 KHz the oscillator must pull to 10.1MHz,= which is a large excursion for oscillators of this type 10 Hz in 10= MHz is 1ppm. 100KHz in 10 MHz is 10,000 PPM=20 Regards mark ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 4:35 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Mc Coy Mark Osc fired up and working fb. I was looking for more detailed info= about ctl voltages ie V versus Freq. This unit is marked 10Mhz when= supplied with 5V ctl voltage, and this is spot on with 6v TTL output. 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 1:37 PM Subject: LF: Re: Mc Coy 30 sec search on the internet http://www.datasheetarchive.com/pdf-datasheets/Datasheets-110/DS= AP004237.pdf Mark ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 12:42 PM Subject: LF: Mc Coy Hi all Does anyone have data for Mc Coy electronics XTAL OSCILLATOR= MC137X7-001W 10.000 MHz SN72758-126 This is a module and requires +5v, +15v sealed unit but has an= adjuster and I expect the osc can be shifted slightly, but enough to= be useful for 500 Khz divided down. 73 mal/g3kev ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Hi Mark
As u say it does not move much only= a few Hz. This=20 is a pity because it would make a nice osc for mf divided down.=
tnx for ur observations
de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mark
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009= 8:54 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Mc= Coy

Mal,
no problem, the info is indeed a bi= t limited=20 about the Hz/V for the adjustment.
The data sheet seems to suggest tha= t the=20 control voltage is capable of modulating the oscillator, which impli= es=20 a fast slew rate. This is not particularly good if you intend= to=20 just use the oscillator as a fixed frequency source. It means= you must=20 filter the control voltage better.
Of course using the source at low= frequencies,=20 none of the issues of this type of source will manifest themselves= =20 significantly, but it is probable that the performance of a microwav= e local=20 oscillator locked to one of these may be a bit noisy.
To better understand the unit'= s=20 characteristics, measure the frequency at extremes of the control vo= ltage=20 range. That is about all the information that is missing.
most oscillators of this type have= a fairly=20 limited tuning range, so you may find pulling the unit to your desir= ed=20 frequency on 500KHz is not possible.   To reach 505= KHz the=20 oscillator must pull to 10.1MHz, which is a large excursion for osci= llators of=20 this type 10 Hz in 10 MHz is 1ppm. 100KHz in 10 MHz  is 10,000= PPM=20
 
Regards
mark
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009= 4:35=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: Mc Coy=

Mark
Osc fired up and working fb. I wa= s looking for=20 more detailed info about ctl voltages ie V versus Freq. This= unit is=20 marked 10Mhz when supplied with 5V ctl voltage, and this is spot= on with 6v=20 TTL output.
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mark
Sent: Saturday, July 04,= 2009 1:37=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Mc Coy

30 sec search on the internet
Mark
----- Original Message -----=
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Saturday, July 04= , 2009 12:42=20 PM
Subject: LF: Mc Coy

Hi all
Does anyone have data for Mc= Coy=20 electronics XTAL OSCILLATOR MC137X7-001W 10.000 MHz
SN72758-126
This is a module and requires= +5v, +15v=20 sealed unit but has an adjuster and I expect the osc can be sh= ifted=20 slightly, but enough to be useful for 500 Khz divided down.
73 mal/g3kev
 


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------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C9FE60.330DD5B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db07.mx.aol.com (rly-db07.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.82]) by air-db04.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDB044-ad44a5064351d6; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 04:28:55 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB072-ad44a5064351d6; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 04:28:39 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MNN4i-0004pE-RD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:27:52 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MNN4i-0004p5-Fo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:27:52 +0100 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MNN4g-0001lX-NY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:27:51 +0100 Received: (qmail 28650 invoked by uid 507); 5 Jul 2009 10:27:40 +0200 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 10:27:40 +0200 Message-ID: <200907051027430187.0906DDAA@smtp2.numeo.fr> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:27:43 +0200 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: 137kHz F8BOJ 40 to 50 dB above noise Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 At 0826z. John F5VLF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (rly-dc09.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.38]) by air-dc01.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC011-b3e4a5df3b42ab; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:20:28 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC092-b3e4a5df3b42ab; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:20:23 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MR6Fd-00072Q-Tw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:18:33 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MR6Fd-00072H-HL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:18:33 +0100 Received: from smtp803.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.63]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MR6FS-0005VT-BA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:18:22 +0100 Received: (qmail 60076 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2009 15:18:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:x-mimeole; b=pa39F3XmRO/Nec4zcXcI+sxmmTgzFQC3Dllep5pjhay/CByj2JFBBQpyqe30Wu6vVXRidA0DAXLtkXDv+XbkYHFDEV2s3WcdDCZo5aSKupM8zwI38sf05gPtlb17DxvkBQTZLpeRLGCJjeznNUTbqQr4xAYEbibeRUxcyAjO4+w= ; Received: from unknown (HELO fred) (c.ashby435@86.135.178.126 with login) by smtp803.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 15:18:25 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9STUSnaswBBSd6nO_2gAC20jmYlWRjmg8d5iYd8s.rl181aR6Sw- X-YMail-OSG: YGRPJpkVM1m0r6P8k8yhlH25Xou5IRrCLKXPfuIBRgqKw_eiO5uvbhq7OIy4CA0lU_VDUUB977KXMmDZti2ABTptrU9dKDyMdtXe4islnf8Sx1bIuhJ20rchYzfVsfHOal_DloFbfplMXUVi8j2pJ_elZjSgCJv8PtHGNXE1DIBkKQ8AEnfHQQpiomhY90cg.mkpH5CVDy652xbaK68rBfKzgght_ch9lLauPoopnQmYIOgiUupog7ebmuQZ X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <003d01ca055f$a8bd7120$0201a8c0@home> From: "Chris" To: "RSGB LF Group" Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:19:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500KHz Signal Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01CA0568.0A0C5B00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01CA0568.0A0C5B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Been getting good copy, S7, of M0FMT on 500KHz this afternoon. Regular= bursts of 'test' and short CQs. Sorry, no NOV, so can't get back to you. My Rx IC718, ant. is homebrew mini active whip @ 30'. Vy 73, Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent, (JO01MI). ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01CA0568.0A0C5B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Been getting good copy, S7, of M0FMT= on 500KHz this=20 afternoon. Regular bursts of 'test' and short CQs.
Sorry, no NOV, so can't get back to= =20 you.
My Rx IC718, ant. is homebrew mini ac= tive whip @=20 30'.
Vy 73,
Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent,=20 (JO01MI).
------=_NextPart_000_003A_01CA0568.0A0C5B00-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg06.mx.aol.com (rly-dg06.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.90]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDG054-5cf4a644a031b3; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:42:29 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg06.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG062-5cf4a644a031b3; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:42:13 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MSqIm-00045x-Ol for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:41:00 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MSqIm-00045o-7t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:41:00 +0100 Received: from smtp805.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.65]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MSqIi-0000Pt-E9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:40:58 +0100 Received: (qmail 36955 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2009 10:40:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=xOvZ7qhBZXOMr7Eg9dbaMOTB6KsBwGMrerV8ktZDTNB4sUMkNlHZzDHej+1+a1xLWczFVjSvZF9fIDZBBLJlnhRDmnBEmYXWloUbDt7psp57E07JqpfOzXme/EHjkx/WZOJqoI9NwI8FQPuvEKjVm4Xr/QxYVtngzlcousRSTjA= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Lark) (alan.melia@213.122.9.36 with login) by smtp805.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2009 10:40:50 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: KHdpK2OswBBXlm4uxknbEiS4uYdJoGknHN90u4K8__lTafnafZg- X-YMail-OSG: k5EOopkVM1kBckWb.dLQGMLyjX6q22TRGxqEkfRLajgh70xgkKpTZLMD52Y1mGqX5bgy_bufFVTafU_RRadMniVBOr03OI6S4ACy0P1k2JSuBAeEjH6TwbC_lzdFF0SVfimCziqJQc5ApCkEplLKB44RqWE1NTwfsm.Po_fzvyriHKngYzyIe2FGxK_Eo__8vJx..JWBkXP42Uu5Wf17jdTjULbbL8Tce.RL19JDjQrODAQJGXOzORLJ3cMbCGNjodc2YUpPxLAXii93puTFxLcZTP.Wx8aSrZ5VQVyRDnNMYlVLabZWk2HLg6ChHmswCfaalC4OhvYbfnw2O5bCu9lJh9v04I8KQYM._Za_rg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <006501ca0926$8f4743e0$0900a8c0@AM> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <000001ca0922$9cf3c580$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:40:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: 504khz harmonic. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Gary, the mini-whip is not bad but where you are located it could be the size of the 252 signal is producing some intermod/harmonics. Do you get the same effect on a wire, or passive antenna? I havent tried this but it may be possible to inprove the IMD performance by paralleling a pair of J310s in the miniwhip, at the expense of increased current drain. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF -RSGB LF Group" Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 11:12 AM Subject: LF: 504khz harmonic. > Hi All, > > > > Occasionally recently I have been seeing strange patterns around the > harmonic line received on my SpecLab grabbers on 504kHz from the broadcast > station at 252kHz. > > > > The patterns are not just seen using the Softrock SDR Rx but also with my > JRC NRD-345, the only common device is the Mini-Whip active antenna. > > > > I seem to remember some while ago comments on this LF Forum regarding that > station carrying out some experiments or tests involving digital data or > something similar. > > > > I wonder if this is an effect of those tests as there were concerns that it > may cause interference on the 500kHz amateur band. > > > > Capture attached. > > > > 73, > > > > Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO. > > > > > I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. > It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter > p&url=freespamfilter> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (rly-dc04.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.33]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC024-b194a6cae0f11c; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:27:22 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC045-b194a6cae0f11c; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:27:12 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MV9M7-0005el-HO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:25:59 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MV9M7-0005ec-24 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:25:59 +0100 Received: from mail-gx0-f221.google.com ([209.85.217.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MV9Ll-0005r4-PT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:25:38 +0100 Received: by gxk21 with SMTP id 21so4768275gxk.4 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:25:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=oe0kB51n/gdztQnr8J+bo0ptQss59B2EC3MxYwhHRsw=; b=NyT2rVHQNfqECbBTRShzRjM/7uP/D5mm+i2aHOP12s7cj5WWIPcwfb04hyWfh2F63Z 7Ctm40Q0aGUVuxvqzSwdedN/8EMNRmwqssRJDYYAHRu4664fisX/zUyJT9wciX/OARoq f+6kRYb9LzVWOtO/bz2NpDKjPTdzfOp3Ogu88= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=xTyvhga3Joy6w4wkO/xN1HhA25t/aNbHl3+XJquTIsa5CH6qDYf4YYHAL7XTBrDrXI LP/CApSOKKuZ88zkHKQFf8imNoaOtx5A/O+h3rVP/oMSYuDeBlHHrFVVlP+IPbhnor1H 9Gm/Px7uqh7NORdmRhhajNxJgLeA/DluMAEDM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.58.7 with SMTP id g7mr9441702yba.271.1248636348364; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:25:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A6C1F37.1050603@online.fr> References: <4A6C1F37.1050603@online.fr> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:25:48 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70907261225v78e708b3q658daf20b11d47d7@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 26-07.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m284.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Thank you Henny and Jean-Pierre! --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 5:17 AM, "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 (F1AFJ)" wrote: > Hi Henny , Warren , > > Yes , good copy last night of =A0"XGJ" beacon > > 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj > > henny van elst a =E9crit : >> >> Hi Warren,Lf >> capture xgj >> henny pa3cpm >> 73s >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (rly-mf04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.174]) by air-mf03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMF032-9564a4b12644c; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 03:38:27 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF044-9564a4b12644c; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 03:38:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MLuNS-0005Q8-BL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 08:37:10 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MLuNR-0005Pz-Sf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 08:37:09 +0100 Received: from psmtp31.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.33]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MLuNO-0004Bd-VD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 08:37:09 +0100 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp31.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KM300MMHEHOET@psmtp31.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 09:37:01 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 09:35:57 +0200 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <78F2CD8B176D4B5C94B33006E7864019@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: XGJ 01-07.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_RVrpYJSPPGL0T6Wxbk2gLA)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_RVrpYJSPPGL0T6Wxbk2gLA) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_b0hzI/9GH+UmhDKPqo/ptA)" --Boundary_(ID_b0hzI/9GH+UmhDKPqo/ptA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello Warren,LF, capture XGJ Henny pa3cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: XGJ 01-07.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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Hello Warren,LF,
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best 73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
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------=_NextPart_000_0025_01CA0082.78FC4E70-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da05.mx.aol.com (rly-da05.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.79]) by air-da10.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDA104-a6f4a6785ea11; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:34:57 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da05.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA057-a6f4a6785ea11; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:34:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTjRS-0003Ay-4U for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:33:38 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTjRR-0003Ap-90 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:33:37 +0100 Received: from smtp811.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.71]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTjRN-0000Qy-6u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:33:35 +0100 Received: (qmail 26457 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2009 21:33:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=DVIGOLQq0vFAgD/W2ZXO+oXjNvD7pmUluFUNhjgBr8vI3DVk2T0GrKrWfEFaNY00822QFLD072uYlccF6Ob1tBWqVgCe5wzHz63oUklHZCg+9RIpPsETUlqP4snvWc6WKRpm7a0ov2eBdnXQt+f30w/1K6Q2epgvr6esjI8aeUA= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.176.84.128 with login) by smtp811.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2009 21:33:27 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: IxKF.1MVM1l79Qibqc7PuveQMWYVmFiUaKjeu0mlFp8mRLeKewt0uxoon2wQoypA6.TYsJBCutq3exRkioJ2x4up5bhGp5KIH1QjG5j0_lHmUhPlLlSbAZDQF5e0.ijn4_U1t2wl8L2mg7ZGlcB9lH35_b3DHp1I7zJ1pWBqm3NvhYhcA5DlFxwFa3auvpXCULJO70RSFRG81JMhd8yzMy0DrFrp1BUafmTl9lejmVfuxF8DwEnIDPYA5kUpgP2ukoP8Iajn.kpa2mapwxQwO61vLJn75raoLD.igcEWtwaqPd0GSbdQBmgXTkzKeTqE0NfhfVZui1.9bndW5w-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <9DC81BDAB5CF49D8BB66CF0F3868CC6F@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <1MTPIE-2555Oq0@fwd08.t-online.de> <4A674683.1000301@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <4A674683.1000301@usa.net> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:33:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Loop (was Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?) Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF Group, Since I have used several designs of loop antennas almost exclusively for 136k and 500k reception, here are some thoughts:- For small VLF - MF RX loops, the available signal power from the loop depends mostly on the area of the loop and the unloaded Q of the loop (the shape, and in multi-turn loops the distributed capacitance have some smaller effect too). You get maximum power delivered to the receiver when the loaded Q with the receiver connected is 1/2 the unloaded Q. This happens when the impedance connected to the loop has a resistive component equal to the loss resistance, and a capacitive reactance equal to the inductive reactance of the loop, i.e. resonance and conjugate match. To a first approximation, the number of turns does not affect the signal power level, only the design of the impedance matching. With very small area loops you want to try to achieve conjugate matching in order to maximise sensitivity. But with relatively large area loops (of the order of 1 square metre or more), and a suitable low-noise receiver or preamp, etc. you can get enough signal so that band noise is the limiting factor even with quite a large mismatch. In particular, mismatching to reduce the Q increases the bandwidth, which is often very useful. At LF/MF, it is usually possible to make preamps whose noise level is either below the band noise, or below the thermal noise level generated by the loss resistance of the loop, so the loop itself is normally the limiting factor. With several square metres area, you can get ample signal level without bothering to tune to resonance, and have really wideband loop antennas. The EMF induced in a given loop is proportional to frequency, so the output decreases at low frequencies, but since the band noise level increases at low frequencies, this isn't usually a problem How many turns the loop has is largely a matter of convenience for the tuning and impedance-matching point of view. The traditional high-Q loop has many turns so that it can be tuned to resonance with available variable capacitors; also the resulting high parallel resistance gives a low noise figure when connected directly to a valve input stage, although this is not so much of an advantage these days. There are several disadvantages , such as being easily de-tuned, susceptible to capacitive noise pick-up, requires remote tuning, mechanically complicated. Small single-turn tuned loops have the drawback of requiring a large tuning capacitor. For instance, my 136k, 1m^2 "bandpass loop" design has a 0.4uF tuning capacitance. But since a fairly narrow band is to be covered, the tuning is fixed, and the loaded Q is quite low this isn't really a problem, and the loop is a simple square of tubing that is not significantly de-tuned even if laid on the ground. As has been pointed out, you can add a 1:n step-up transformer to a single-turn loop, and the combination essentially behaves as a n turn loop, with loop EMF increased by a factor n and resistance/inductance n^2 times that of the loop element itself, so this is a flexible way of getting the impedance/inductance level you want. The transformer will add some loss resistance, but usually this can be made small enough not to make much difference. Also, the transformer winding inductance will be effectively shunted in parallel with the transformed loop inductance, and a small leakage inductance appear in series. In Alberto's case, with a single-turn winding through the core, the problem is likely to be getting sufficient primary inductance. You would want to choose a core where a single turn has a relatively large inductance compared to the inductance of the loop, i.e. with AL >> loop inductance. Small single turn loops have inductance of the order of a few uH - this requires quite a large core in high permeability material, or several stacked smaller cores. Or you could incorporate the shunt inductance into the circuit design. It would be harder to optimise the transformer design if you are restricted to a single turn primary, which might cause problems if you were trying to make a high Q design. Some people have made quite large, high Q tuned loops - the main justification for this would seem to be to get a large signal output so that a receiver with poor sensitivity can be used directly without a preamp. The high loop Q helps to prevent the RX being overloaded by out-of-band signals. The same result could be achieved with a small/wideband loop with a suitable preamp/preselector. A large area wire loop can be connected directly to a low-impedance receiver input with reasonable results as a wideband antenna- or a considerable improvement in matching can be obtained using a wideband transformer as PA0RDT and DJ1ZB have done. The loop inductance can be incorporated as part of a filter/matching network, as I have done in the "bandpass loop" designs. Low-pass designs are also quite feasible - I am currently using 4 x 5m single-turn wire loops incorporating low-pass filters matched to 50ohms, with cut off frequencies around 550kHz to reduce the local broadcast signals. These give plenty of signal over the 10 - 550kHz range without re-tuning. Small loops have the advantage that they are easier to re-position away from noise sources. At LF , mains wiring seems to be a potent source of H-field noise, so it is often essential to experiment to find the best location. The height above ground, or the presence of trees and buildings has little effect on the signal level. Whether the loop is big or small, narrow- or wideband, it has the same figure-of-eight pattern, so the nulls can be used to reject local or distant QRM. Unless your real estate is big enough for LF phased arrays, the loop is the only feasible LF directional antenna. At M0BMU, 500kHz reception would currently be almost impossible without loops due to wideband QRM radiated by the broadcast stations. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alberto di Bene" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 6:04 PM Subject: Re: LF: Loop (was Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?) >I would like especially to comment on using a one > winding loop combined with a step-up transformer:I am interested in > knowing opinions about using the loop itself as > a primary of the transformer, as in this picture (heavily compressed > to stay into the size limits). Here it is a three-turn loop, but it could > be a single turn one, as discussed. > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da01.mx.aol.com (rly-da01.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.75]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDA032-a4b4a6b80af375; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 18:01:38 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA013-a4b4a6b80af375; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 18:01:21 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MUpGv-00020j-M7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:59:17 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MUpGv-00020a-4s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:59:17 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MUpGa-000873-Kj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:58:57 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3537.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4BA0E1C00085 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 23:59:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.14.184]) by mwinf3537.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id F21401C00082 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 23:59:07 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090725215907992.F21401C00082@mwinf3537.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <6DD2DE4E26DF43B6B1FAFDAF8F9AEAC9@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <003701ca0c8f$19049db0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70907241213ua177757w6eb23a564dcfa4a0@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:58:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Apollo contingency modes , beep beep ! Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 That's page 247 in the adobe reader page counter -------------------------------------------------- From: "Graham" Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 7:38 PM To: Subject: LF: Apollo contingency modes , beep beep ! > > Check, Page 247 , Para 3 , contingency modes > > Not the just the road runner beeping in those days ! > > http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/NASA-SP-87.pdf > > G ,, > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.29/2261 - Release Date: 07/25/09 > 05:58:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db05.mx.aol.com (rly-db05.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.80]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDB011-ac94a65dab81aa; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:12:08 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db05.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB057-ac94a65dab81aa; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:11:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTGzB-00085E-Vh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:10:33 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTGzB-000855-JD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:10:33 +0100 Received: from mta41.charter.net ([216.33.127.83]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTGyu-0006vx-L1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:10:17 +0100 Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.10]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.01.00 201-2219-108-20080618) with ESMTP id <20090721151005.XQOV9620.mta41.charter.net@imp10> for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:10:05 -0400 Received: from mp07 ([209.225.8.237]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id JfA41c00S56r1kp05fA4gb; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:10:04 -0400 Message-ID: <20090721111004.NESLM.2165994.root@mp07> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:10:04 -0400 From: To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70907210620v6f208cf2t898ce58cab2e9776@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 64.206.3.50 by ssomail.charter.net; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:10:04 -0400 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: Loop (was Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Just to add a little more information on LF transmitting loops: Paralleling conductors is usually more effective than creating a multi-turn loop. The extra copper loss from another turn can easily negate the increase in field strength from that turn. With paralleled conductors, keep them separated so that the current will flow over the complete outer surface of each conductor. 10cm spacing seems reasonable as a minimum. My experience is limited to a single-conductor loop, and 500 watts transmitter output. I've had two experiences with tree fires. Both were caused by my earlier method of running the lower leg of the loop through PVC fittings at each tree. Long screws through the fittings provided sharp edges to scrape insulation and increase the voltage gradient between the screw and the wire. I have long since switched to porcelain insulators for the lower supports, with no trouble. All other contacts with the trees are directly between the wire and the tree. I do worry about a lot of insulation damage done last winter during and after an ice storm, but thus far there have been no issues. Major starting difficulties are the voltage and current ratings of tuning capacitors and coupling transformers. Your senses of touch and smell will help in knowing if you have succeeded! While the voltages and currents can be accurately calculated in advance, you may have limited information on the components, particularly the current rating of capacitors. In general, think big. And just one random thought on multi-turn receiving loops: As Jim Moritz has pointed out a number of times, a loop of N turns can be quite nicely replaced by a loop of one turn and an N step-up transformer. A one-turn loop is easier to construct, and may provide a wider tuning range. John, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da10.mx.aol.com (rly-da10.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.84]) by air-da05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDA054-a944a6a082aaa; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:15:07 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da10.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA104-a944a6a082aaa; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:14:51 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MUQDN-00009B-TV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:13:57 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MUQDN-000091-Dc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:13:57 +0100 Received: from mail-yx0-f177.google.com ([209.85.210.177]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MUQD3-000781-Qq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:13:38 +0100 Received: by yxe7 with SMTP id 7so3172759yxe.16 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:13:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=7ICdEtg/AqYcsxCxFr0Xp1b+Uc/heo0dO5d6jx68AWU=; b=k+UX9t5ABtiNkBSiwukZx0w6PSxh1xss828yXuGvRNFkGRb8TBQqoex2mo9Bio9mBa v+hm0Jijgbe5RFjBgOIIIRmp9t8dFj8PyWs5DRmsjAd1xAgUuFqkVyCKGYXotxEFw5gf nIDgOW2WLT5BisEy83eCPTauHjte+GPykcTRk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=PfytR/F/8tIGdOcU3+WY68bxdbCvXDLpRn4MK6XRnJ79z048aCQA9uAJd/JxAIyvUt Bu+x9bgPuPoFzVzkrnCOJgjV9sqZ6Dy4nqZC9y7CM9qNNZdqzcI65ujOUhOFZ42y9R3U llCsIPc8WuVO/fphz7ohJcQYF/dsSccJgutGU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.150.21 with SMTP id x21mr6065014ybd.165.1248462827006; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:13:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <003701ca0c8f$19049db0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> References: <003701ca0c8f$19049db0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:13:46 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70907241213ua177757w6eb23a564dcfa4a0@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: UPS psu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d240.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) I usually get UPS for free from the dump - many times they are thrown out when all they need is new batteries. --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 2:46 PM, mal hamilton wrote= : > I just bought several UPS units. These make good psu's for LF/MF fet > transmitters etc Depending on model these make ideal=A0psu's for fet LF/= MF > transmitters delivering from 12v to 60v at several=A0 amps. They have th= e > added advantage because of the batteries of delivering power even when= the > mains goes off, at least enough to finish a qso. They can also be used= as > battery chargers. The 230v outputs could also be handy, this is of cours= e > what they=A0were intended to do. My models are POWERSURE=A0some deliveri= ng up to > 1400 watts. > 73 mal/g3kev > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me09.mx.aol.com (rly-me09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.43]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINME044-9d84a6b215374; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 11:14:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me09.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME094-9d84a6b215374; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 11:14:28 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MUivt-0001XT-UA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 16:13:09 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MUivt-0001XK-Gz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 16:13:09 +0100 Received: from mail-gx0-f221.google.com ([209.85.217.221]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MUivp-0005LW-3s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 16:13:07 +0100 Received: by gxk21 with SMTP id 21so3970691gxk.4 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:12:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=E/RqiCkXNW1pV/1YYiVGJWW4iNDUdJV5iMYMx3b+WN4=; b=J6QAtLkY6OHIkPxZm05YBaDExnJn2gYOSWU/XyYP23FcZMfyoKfZfNMFJGH3iwzKkz lR6lKNscdd40Au1e9wa66EluHJlM+U5IoMsNcVXGx3/TonzdmgvV0D+l7mkHOCI2P23B jEWFdoyfFlgMybSPaYPSCD4rSueskp88ej4EU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ajU144DDGgdp4IoBKjGnoaLmMeU08PKY33buWI8nRlYw+yVT/peZGn7IGMipdKa2b3 gqeIYKP33L6fvubWGcABygOkw6USeLc+ym5zuFTweSlInF4u8z/ArnzbIzCP8/oTQNfy TMSZyuUCqd0IdkZVUwEsIGWr+07c2V9CuY3Bo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.145.2 with SMTP id x2mr7586338ybn.93.1248534778660; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:12:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 11:12:58 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70907250812g7601e278w6ad9822384500e57@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 25-07.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d293.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Thank you Henny for the capture! -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2009/7/25 henny van elst : > Hello Warren,Lf > strong signal XGJ, > Henny pa3cpm > best 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > XGJ 25-07.jpg > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db01.mx.aol.com (rly-db01.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.76]) by air-db10.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDB102-aa34a59c977312; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 07:31:16 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB011-aa34a59c977312; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 07:31:06 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MPxFy-0004ra-SI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:30:10 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MPxFy-0004rR-BH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:30:10 +0100 Received: from smtp22.services.sfr.fr ([93.17.128.11]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPxFq-0002Iz-1C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:30:02 +0100 Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2206.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id CBDEA7000086 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 13:29:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from euro7g1ku6dl5q (59.219.197-77.rev.gaoland.net [77.197.219.59]) by msfrf2206.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 756627000083 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 13:29:58 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20090712112958480.756627000083@msfrf2206.sfr.fr Message-ID: <001001ca02e4$1756e450$0201a8c0@euro7g1ku6dl5q> From: "Claude Berthebaud" To: References: Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 13:29:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090711-0, 11/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=0.64,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: F8BOJ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA02F4.DA7B7440" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_10, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA02F4.DA7B7440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello everyone=20 Thank you Nicolas for excellent control .. I received the beautiful qs= l ... I hasten to answer them ... all good Sunday Claude f8boj ----- Original Message -----=20 From: F4DTL@aol.com=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 12:39 PM Subject: LF: F8BOJ Hello Claude your reception this morning with an old receiver Telefu= nken ELK639. Have you received my QSL card last week ? F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA02F4.DA7B7440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello everyo= ne
Thank you=20 Nicolas for excellent control .. I received the beautiful qsl ... I ha= sten to=20 answer them ... all good Sunday
Claude= =20 f8boj
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009= 12:39=20 PM
Subject: LF: F8BOJ

Hello Claude your reception this morning with an old receiver= Telefunken=20 ELK639.
 
Have you received my QSL card last week ?
 
 
= F4DTL Nicolas=20 JN18FP

------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA02F4.DA7B7440-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma04.mx.aol.com (rly-ma04.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.48]) by air-ma09.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMA092-8a54a5078572d3; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 05:54:39 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA047-8a54a5078572d3; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 05:54:33 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MNOQ2-0005Yh-Oh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:53:58 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MNOQ2-0005YY-9A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:53:58 +0100 Received: from smtp23.services.sfr.fr ([93.17.128.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MNOPz-0006GI-CL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:53:58 +0100 Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2326.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0A9B07000086 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:53:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from euro7g1ku6dl5q (67.228.197-77.rev.gaoland.net [77.197.228.67]) by msfrf2326.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with SMTP id B46687000091 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:53:49 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20090705095349739.B46687000091@msfrf2326.sfr.fr Message-ID: <002001c9fd56$7fb62cb0$0201a8c0@euro7g1ku6dl5q> From: "Claude Berthebaud" To: References: Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:53:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090704-0, 04/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 137kHz F8BOJ 40 to 50 dB above noise Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C9FD67.42F52270" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C9FD67.42F52270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Nicolas and the group=20 Thank you poiur your steps on my signal I have a bit of work to comple= te the station antenna on the side ..=20 Good end of weekend to all=20 Claude f8boj ----- Original Message -----=20 From: F4DTL@aol.com=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 11:06 AM Subject: Re: LF: 137kHz F8BOJ 40 to 50 dB above noise Hello Claude,solid 25 dB over the noise here (measure with SPM3 50= Ohms) Very strong and clear signal.Very FB. F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP RX : WG SPM3 Ant: Miniwhip PA0RDT http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/ ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C9FD67.42F52270 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Nicola= s and the group=20
Thank you poiur your steps on my signal I have a bit of work to co= mplete the=20 station antenna on the side ..
Good end of weekend to all
Clau= de=20 f8boj
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009= 11:06=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: 137kHz F8BOJ= 40 to 50 dB=20 above noise

Hello Claude,solid 25 dB over the noise here (measure with= SPM3 50=20 Ohms)
Very strong and clear signal.Very FB.
 
 
F4DTL=20 Nicolas JN18FP

RX : WG SPM3
Ant:=20 Miniwhip PA0RDT

http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/
 ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C9FD67.42F52270-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (rly-mg04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.110]) by air-mg03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMG034-a0c4a71f0463a1; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:11:07 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG046-a0c4a71f0463a1; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:11:05 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MWb0z-0006gs-74 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:10:09 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MWb0y-0006gj-OG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:10:08 +0100 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MWb0Z-00069z-TQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:09:44 +0100 Received: (qmail 2233 invoked by uid 507); 30 Jul 2009 21:09:43 +0200 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2009 21:09:43 +0200 Message-ID: <200907302109560042.00920B92@smtp2.numeo.fr> In-Reply-To: <003801ca1055$4d80c630$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> References: <57a24ca70907281257n52d8c1aaoe0bef46ee7f69dbc@mail.gmail.com> <003801ca1055$4d80c630$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:09:56 +0200 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: WD2XSH Modification Granted Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On 29/07/2009 at 15:03 mal hamilton wrote: >The UK should qualify for two way ie 52nd STATE >G3KEV As in 48 States, 3 Commonwealths and the District of Columbia? How are you= getting on with the EU States? John F5VLF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma10.mx.aol.com (rly-ma10.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.54]) by air-ma04.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMA043-8d14a51c6ab3b8; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:41:10 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma10.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA103-8d14a51c6ab3b8; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:41:00 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MNkgO-0008O8-Oo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:40:20 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MNkgO-0008Nz-Cd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:40:20 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MNkgM-0007Xr-Am for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:40:20 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D110C4C807F for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 11:40:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C12EF4C813C for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 11:40:12 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A51C67B.1090001@online.fr> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 11:40:11 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AFJ 06-07.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Tnx Henny , 73 J-P f1afj henny van elst a =E9crit : > Hi Jean-Pierre,LF > Strong signal and nice capture, > Henny pa3cpm > Best 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzo= nden: > AFJ 06-07.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virusse= n het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Contr= oleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijl= agen worden afgehandeld. > > =20 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db05.mx.aol.com (rly-db05.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.80]) by air-db03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDB034-ac94a67914c29b; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:23:12 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db05.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB057-ac94a67914c29b; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:23:10 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTkCE-0003Jf-R7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:21:58 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTkCE-0003JW-BU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:21:58 +0100 Received: from mta21.charter.net ([216.33.127.81]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTkBw-0003IO-EU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:21:41 +0100 Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.01.00 201-2219-108-20080618) with ESMTP id <20090722222129.ENTX3344.mta21.charter.net@imp11> for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:21:29 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([66.189.74.84]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id KAMV1c00D1p78xe05AMVd5; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:21:29 -0400 Message-ID: <4A6790E9.5050103@charter.net> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:21:29 -0400 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1MTcEO-1SeuiO0@fwd10.t-online.de> In-Reply-To: <1MTcEO-1SeuiO0@fwd10.t-online.de> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Loop (was Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Ha-Jo, I wasn't making a comment on your setup -- just pointing out some options for others who might want a tuned, single turn loop. No offense intended! John, W1TAG hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de wrote: > Dear John, > > I am sorry, but I do not see your problems. I do NOT tune my loop. The > loop is feeding a transformer, its secondary is connected to a cable > into the shack to the receiver or the preselector. The inductivity of From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (rly-dc03.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.32]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC024-b0d4a5e47023a7; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:16:01 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC031-b0d4a5e47023a7; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:15:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MRBoR-0000jM-0b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:14:51 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MRBoQ-0000jD-Fo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:14:50 +0100 Received: from smtp804.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.64]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MRBoN-0002t6-2u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:14:49 +0100 Received: (qmail 57235 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2009 21:14:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=u7XYJrIgTpzRftEEVMVV29hlXHX0vx8Iz+M7mY/+x32VEr2pdGlh15SFudeDl3mHikyZjiEQ35QHfBcp15RSlis+aQyPUG22P/8NDVrhrFqAzbIfQNlE8pcvQoQJwg8wg7RsoSTAYfi8TjD2LKEYv2kEG7h1sHPj+UYYHe2aLak= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Lark) (alan.melia@213.122.37.207 with login) by smtp804.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 21:14:40 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: KHdpK2OswBBXlm4uxknbEiS4uYdJoGknHN90u4K8__lTafnafZg- X-YMail-OSG: tJIVXHMVM1niD8v75VbNETaU0IH7vW8UmQfgjWWslEdcw5vW52FjFqFn9QFt3KFhLwhAMHhUsbgu.rTPSNDTG.u4IF3BFLWwNnHZiYnKWy4I.y321lGSp3yKJpeffFFmMkYlXc6UUyfn9stFf9whLU970tpRJs7DfGGn3UpSfw_AfwHa7QK1l1xoth2g8slMn4TF2NPTwbc2YAgr45VTkaN8J0L5KvcKtyDYZpQwrqLP6izPIrLhpE2d2u8NLVPzQAxUCG_igWnW9BWZk27jyRqx_CK.3MaaRIOK_B.Veq2aYjoqbSONc6y7DJNWVzXECLOYnObzCBk- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <009a01ca0591$50cba2c0$0900a8c0@AM> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <003501ca0554$292717a0$0900a8c0@AM> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:59:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Ken yes I appreciate the usage. I was a little concerned that if the transformer was not designed for that kind of use it might not necessarily have sufficent insulation from that end of the winding to ground to survive the different stresses of of bridge rectifier. However Bob says he has been using one like that for years so I guess they must have been conservatively designed. I have had problems with transformers parallel primaries and series secondaries ( a common way of getting high voltages for valves ....in my youth :-)) ) breaking down under the voltage stress. I have several transformers I salvaged from MOs and I now feel a lot happier about their use in HV PSUs. In the 50s.60s I was brought up with thick insulation and porcelain standoffs :-)) An interesting thread. Best Wishes Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 7:04 PM Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers > Hi Alan. > The earthy end of the HV winding should be lifted from earth, and a fullwave > bridge used . > > Ken > 73 de M0KHW > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Melia" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:57 PM > Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers > > > > Hi all, I am very please to see not everyone sticks to a 12 volt maximum > > supply voltage > > :-)) > > > > One though that occurs to me is that if one side of the MO transformer is > > grounded in oven service........one ought to check that the winding as a > > whole is sufficiently well insulated from ground to stand floating 2kV > > above > > ground. There may not be the same clearance /insulation on the grounded > > end > > of the secondary as the intended high-voltage end?? On the other hand it > > might be quite OK. I have a certain cynicism about "consumer designs". > > > > Alan G3NYK > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:34 PM > > Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers > > > > > > These special transformers need the magnetic bypass because a magnetron > > looks (as a load) like a Z diode. > > So they are powered, more or less, with a constant current source rather > > than a constant voltage source. > > > > In other words, the "generator" (transformer) must have a large source > > impedance, and that's what the magnetic bypass in the 'former does. > > > > Cheers, > > Wolf . > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg09.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMG091-a204a64c6a9146; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:34:06 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG072-a204a64c6a9146; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:34:04 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MSybp-0005Zc-5k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:33:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MSybo-0005ZT-RE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:33:12 +0100 Received: from smtp-vbr16.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.36]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MSybZ-0007vr-2j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:32:57 +0100 Received: from pc1 (ndb.demon.nl [82.161.81.65]) by smtp-vbr16.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n6KJX7ZF066901 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:33:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:32:52 -0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Roelof Bakker" MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <12821.82.161.81.65.1248110576.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <57a24ca70907201227t5333113bj2ffd4b82c1d1d783@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70907201227t5333113bj2ffd4b82c1d1d783@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.63 (Win32) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: IC7200 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Warren, Thanks again. This is the info I have been looking for. It looks not too bad, say from 200 kHz up. 73, Roelof, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de01.mx.aol.com (rly-de01.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.137]) by air-de06.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDE061-4b04a65e08029d; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:36:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE015-4b04a65e08029d; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:36:33 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTHNR-0008FF-28 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:35:37 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTHNQ-0008F6-5U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:35:36 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTHNM-00040b-A9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:35:34 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ar0EAIZ9ZUpcHCup/2dsb2JhbACCJy2CG4gbBsVlhAwF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([92.28.43.169]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2009 16:35:24 +0100 Message-ID: <003601ca0a18$dd7e1140$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:35:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01CA0A21.3EB10EB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CA0A21.3EB10EB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MF GRP Apart from having a few in the junk box is there any advantage over a= similar spec FET, ie reliability esp class E de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dave G3WCB=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 11:18 PM Subject: RE: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? Jeff, Rik, Markus, Mouser GB sells the STGW30NC60WD IGBT, at =A33-60 each. See the link= below. You can download a data sheet from the same site. http://gb.mouser.com/search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=3DbbdZqDPQhEUJJb0Z= 4VAXWQ=3D=3D Farnell UK also sell them:- http://uk.farnell.com/stmicroelectronics/stgw30nc60wd/igbt-to-247/dp= /1293659 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_gro= up@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of F6CWN Sent: 20 July 2009 23:02 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? Hello Markus and Rick! I have only just acquainted myself with your messages. (Just going out from hospital, big blood pressure problem...) Thanks a lot for precious information, of what make fun still! I recovered some ferrites N87 types which should work in 137 KHZ. Another subject interests me, it is the possibility of transmittin= g with a big spool of several turns (a bit as WD2XDW). But EIRP is muc= h weaker than with a vertical aerial, then it is necessary to "push mo= re" in power! VY 73: Jeff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Strobbe=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 10:07 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? Jeff, Marcus, STGW30NC60WD has a turnoff delay of 120ns. Turn on delay and ris= e / fall times are better than 30ns. That should be good enough for 137kHz, maybe even for 500kHz. It further has a max. Collector-Emitter Voltage of 600V, max. Co= llector Current of 60A (200A pulsed), max.. dissipation of 200W and a= saturation voltage of 2V (@20A). Looks like a good "workhorse" for those who want to experiment= with IGBT's. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 22:05 26/06/2009, you wrote: Dear Jeff, =20 havn't actually tried it myself on 137 kHz. But from past expe= rience I'd say that while IGBTs may have less DC loss, they are much= slower (especially during turnoff). They can be used as effient switc= hes at some tens of kHz, whereas MOSFETs will easily go up to several= MHz. =20 Kind regards, Markus, DF6NM =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: F6CWN=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:37 PM Subject: LF: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? Good night to all, =20 Anybody would have any experience on the use of IGBT in 136= KHz amplifiers? Thanks in advance! 73: Jeff / F6CWN=20 =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.20/2250 - Release Date: 07= /20/09 06:16:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CA0A21.3EB10EB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
MF GRP
Apart from having a few in the junk= box is there=20 any advantage over a similar spec FET, ie reliability esp class E
de mal/g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dave G3WCB
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009= 11:18=20 PM
Subject: RE: LF: Re: IGBT in= 136 KHz=20 TX?

Jeff, Rik, Markus,
 
Mouser GB sells the STGW30NC60WD=20 IGBT, at =A33-60 each. See the link below. You can download= a data=20 sheet from the same site.
 
 
Farnell UK also sell them:-
 
 
 
73,=20 Dave G3WCB IO91RM
-----Original Message-----
From:= =20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of=20 F6CWN
Sent: 20 July 2009 23:02
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT= in 136 KHz=20 TX?

Hello Markus and Rick!
 
I have only just acquainted mysel= f with your=20 messages.
(Just going out from hospital, big blood pressure=20 problem...)
Thanks a lot for precious informa= tion, of what=20 make fun still!
I recovered some ferrites N87 typ= es which=20 should work in 137 KHZ.
Another subject interests me, it= is the=20 possibility of transmitting with a big spool of several turns (a= bit as=20 WD2XDW). But EIRP is much weaker than with a vertical aerial,= then it=20 is necessary to "push more"  in power!
 
VY 73: Jeff
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rik Strobbe
Sent: Friday, July 03, 20= 09 10:07=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT= in 136 KHz=20 TX?

Jeff, Marcus,

STGW30NC60WD has a turnoff= delay of=20 120ns. Turn on delay and rise / fall times are better than 30ns.=
That=20 should be good enough for 137kHz, maybe even for 500kHz.
It= further has=20 a max. Collector-Emitter Voltage of 600V, max. Co= llector=20 Current of 60A (200A pulsed), max.. dissipation of 200W and a sa= turation=20 voltage of 2V (@20A).
Looks like a good "workhorse" fo= r those=20 who want to experiment with IGBT's.

73, Rik  ON7YD= -=20 OR7T


At 22:05 26/06/2009, you wrote:
= Dear=20 Jeff,
 
havn't actually tried= it myself=20 on 137 kHz. But from past experience I'd say that while IGBTs= may have=20 less DC loss, they are much slower (especially during turnoff)= . They can=20 be used as effient switches at some tens of kHz, whereas MOSFE= Ts will=20 easily go up to several MHz.
 
Kind=20 regards,
Markus, DF6NM
 
----- Original Message -----
From: F6CWN=
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:37 PM
Subject: LF: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?

Good night to all,

 =20
Anybody would have any experience on the= use of IGBT=20 in 136 KHz amplifiers?
Thanks in advance!
73: Jeff / F6CWN

 


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I was a little concerned that if > > the > > transformer was not designed for that kind of use it might not > > necessarily > > have sufficent insulation from that end of the winding to ground to > > survive > > the different stresses of of bridge rectifier. However Bob says he > > has been > > using one like that for years so I guess they must have been > > conservatively > > designed. I have had problems with transformers parallel primaries > > and > > series secondaries ( a common way of getting high voltages for > > valves ....in > > my youth :-)) ) breaking down under the voltage stress. I have > > several > > transformers I salvaged from MOs and I now feel a lot happier about > > their > > I was able to mount a porcelain stand off at the same hole the ground lug > was mounted to ,, I think I then added a gob of clear silicon from the > local > hardware store,,, was surprised that it held up,, but it did > > Bob K3DJC > > > > use in HV PSUs. In the 50s.60s I was brought up with thick > > insulation and > > porcelain standoffs :-)) > > > > An interesting thread. > > Best Wishes > > Alan G3NYK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (rly-dc08.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.37]) by air-dc05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC053-b394a69ba9d3a8; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 09:44:04 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC085-b394a69ba9d3a8; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 09:43:59 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MUL3A-0007li-5M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:43:04 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MUL39-0007lZ-Nh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:43:03 +0100 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MUL36-0001he-7B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:43:01 +0100 Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20090724134254.OANC6611.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:42:54 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.113]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20090724134254.VKHQ2093.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:42:54 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:42:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4A69C868.11151.6019324@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: References: <57a24ca70907210620v6f208cf2t898ce58cab2e9776@mail.gmail.com>, X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=P0qRVOV6AAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=iH6NlncXsSVLPqEgv5EA:9 a=nGr_bb6eR2shQbErTBn5yq033HoA:4 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Eclipse Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On 21 Jul 2009 at 20:02, Laurence BY3A-KL1X China wrote: > Off topic but just had a solar eclipse here - just taken on my > Blackberry. > http://kl1x.com/eclipsejuly2209teda.jpg - didnt have the LF radio on > this time. Newer members of this group may be interested in the LF radio tests done during the European solar eclipse in 1999. See: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mike.dennison/index/lf/gallery/eclipse.ht m Mike, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (rly-ma07.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.51]) by air-ma02.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMA024-8be4a677ee858; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:05:27 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA078-8be4a677ee858; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:04:41 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTixo-00032t-Jq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:03:00 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTixn-00032k-Mk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:02:59 +0100 Received: from mailout02.t-online.de ([194.25.134.17]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTixj-0000Gw-Gs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:02:57 +0100 Received: from fwd00.aul.t-online.de by mailout02.t-online.de with smtp id 1MTixi-00019l-01; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:02:54 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.22] (G-rPWrZFZhiVmETB+g+E0ZIxEId++0AFxFsGpQWD7pLa1-xHW5vj0GEHmQUDJFQZEx@[93.211.76.73]) by fwd00.t-online.de with esmtp id 1MTixd-0cGXyK0; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:02:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de To: X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 6.08.0003 Date: 22 Jul 2009 21:02 GMT Message-ID: <1MTixd-0cGXyK0@fwd00.t-online.de> X-ID: G-rPWrZFZhiVmETB+g+E0ZIxEId++0AFxFsGpQWD7pLa1-xHW5vj0GEHmQUDJFQZEx X-TOI-MSGID: c32f5fdf-a69f-4a9e-90a6-a87ad561f89a X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=0.93,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Loop discussion Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="__Next_1248296554_Part20__" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME,WEIRD_QUOTING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --__Next_1248296554_Part20__ Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit Dear Alberto, until now I have used the rule that the primary of such a loop transformer should have the same inductivity as the loop itself. In the design used in the picture I feel that the inductivity of the "primary" can be controlled by the AL value of the ferrite only. This may result in less freedom in the design. But I do not have any practial experience so far, and to answer your question I had to build the two transformer variations and test them. I would not dear to answer merely by theoretical considerations. OK? 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "Alberto di Bene" schrieb: I would like especially to comment on using a one winding loop combined with a step-up transformer: I am interested in knowing opinions about using the loop itself as a primary of the transformer, as in this picture (heavily compressed to stay into the size limits). Here it is a three-turn loop, but it could be a single turn one, as discussed. 73 Alberto I2PHD --__Next_1248296554_Part20__ Content-Type: Multipart/Related; Boundary="__Next_1248296554_Part18__"; type="text/html" --__Next_1248296554_Part18__ Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit T-Online eMail Dear Alberto,

until now I have used the rule that the primary of such a loop transformer should have the same inductivity as the loop itself.

In the design used in the picture I feel that the inductivity of the "primary" can be controlled by the AL value of the ferrite only. This may result in less freedom in the design.

But I do not have any practial experience so far, and to answer your question I had to build the two transformer variations and test them. I would not dear to answer merely by theoretical considerations.

OK?

73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB 


"Alberto di Bene" <dibene@usa.net> schrieb: 
I would like especially to comment on using a one 
winding loop combined with a step-up transformer:
I am interested in knowing opinions about using the loop itself as
a primary of the transformer, as in this picture (heavily compressed
to stay into the size limits). Here it is a three-turn loop, but it could
be a single turn one, as discussed.

73  Alberto  I2PHD


 
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The earthy end of the HV winding should be lifted from earth, and a fullwave bridge used . Ken 73 de M0KHW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Melia" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:57 PM Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers > Hi all, I am very please to see not everyone sticks to a 12 volt maximum > supply voltage > :-)) > > One though that occurs to me is that if one side of the MO transformer is > grounded in oven service........one ought to check that the winding as a > whole is sufficiently well insulated from ground to stand floating 2kV > above > ground. There may not be the same clearance /insulation on the grounded > end > of the secondary as the intended high-voltage end?? On the other hand it > might be quite OK. I have a certain cynicism about "consumer designs". > > Alan G3NYK > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:34 PM > Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers > > > These special transformers need the magnetic bypass because a magnetron > looks (as a load) like a Z diode. > So they are powered, more or less, with a constant current source rather > than a constant voltage source. > > In other words, the "generator" (transformer) must have a large source > impedance, and that's what the magnetic bypass in the 'former does. > > Cheers, > Wolf . > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma03.mx.aol.com (rly-ma03.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.47]) by air-ma01.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMA012-89b4a62d61b3c4; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 04:15:33 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA035-89b4a62d61b3c4; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 04:15:25 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MSRWv-0002Bj-JX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:13:57 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MSRWu-0002Ba-Sy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:13:56 +0100 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MSRWr-0007Xt-63 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:13:55 +0100 Received: (qmail 3002 invoked by uid 507); 19 Jul 2009 10:13:39 +0200 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2009 10:13:39 +0200 Message-ID: <200907191013410054.0AE685B7@smtp2.numeo.fr> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:13:41 +0200 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: F8BOJ 30-40dB over noise on 137 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 At 1006z. F5VLF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd08.mx.aol.com (rly-dd08.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.155]) by air-dd07.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDD071-b904a69d6c322b; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:44:27 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD082-b904a69d6c322b; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:44:05 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MUMv4-0008AK-PV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:42:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MUMv4-0008AB-CV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:42:50 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.244] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MUMul-0004JZ-2S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:42:31 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmQFAHdyaUpOls1f/2dsb2JhbACCJS+CG4UFgyAGx2uEDQU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.205.95]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2009 16:42:39 +0100 Message-ID: <002b01ca0c75$5fe8a6f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:42:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: LOOPS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA0C7D.C1254150" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA0C7D.C1254150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My RX LOOP is VERTICAL with a perimeter length of 850 feet total. I ha= ve not noticed any static built up or flashing regardless of wx. The= height is 100 feet, however the TX 1/4 wave inv L up at 100 feet with= 2 elevated radials about 7 feet above ground does flash across the co= ax plug when disconnected from the TX. under certain atmospheric condx= . This loop works well on both LF and MF and is parallel tuned for res= onance on the appropriate band. A so called horizontal loop is probably not desireable on LF/MF its is= just a large capacitor gathering static. de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA0C7D.C1254150 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My RX LOOP is VERTICAL with a perimet= er=20 length of 850 feet total. I have not noticed any static built up= or=20 flashing regardless of wx. The height is 100 feet, however the TX 1/4&= nbsp;wave=20 inv L up at 100 feet with 2 elevated radials about 7 feet above ground= does=20 flash across the coax plug when disconnected from the TX. under= =20 certain atmospheric condx. This loop works well on both LF and MF= and is=20 parallel tuned for resonance on the appropriate band.
A so called horizontal loop is probab= ly not=20 desireable on LF/MF its is just a large capacitor gathering static.
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------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA0C7D.C1254150-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df01.mx.aol.com (rly-df01.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.14]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDF084-5264a5dfa24135; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:47:53 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF013-5264a5dfa24135; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:47:50 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MR6hA-0007Ni-Lf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:47:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MR6hA-0007NZ-9e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:47:00 +0100 Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com ([64.136.55.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MR6gy-000640-8K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:46:49 +0100 X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m03.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABFF58QJAAFEXTA for (sender ); Wed, 15 Jul 2009 08:46:16 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: yokUgcxCbtTP7XLrpefewNBQFsbdNq/HB49/fsZlo5yld2uBBi8CQQ== Received: (from riese-k3djc@juno.com) by m03.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PMH8GX8G; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 08:45:16 PDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:44:18 -0400 Message-ID: <20090715.114419.120.0.riese-k3djc@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.49 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-15,17,19-62 From: riese-k3djc@juno.com X-ContentStamp: 23:11:4281526217 X-MAIL-INFO:2f157db905100d9031e9849190a51910b0e5c0492049b0e1c921e4a961943dd500f15125d475c90d511db1d035fded1465a41559e424417df41d9445ed54c411382585f02111457db514853911d9e1016004 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|riese-k3djc@juno.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:57:11 +0100 "Alan Melia" writes: > Hi all, I am very please to see not everyone sticks to a 12 volt > maximum > supply voltage > :-)) > > One though that occurs to me is that if one side of the MO > transformer is > grounded in oven service........one ought to check that the winding > as a > whole is sufficiently well insulated from ground to stand floating > 2kV above > ground. The one I use in DC service has the ground end lifted. I have had no problems using this in a supply for my 2 meter amp. I series 2 for my Tesla coil and have had no problems either,,, I do find that it is amazing that they hold up well just keep one hand in your pocket when messing about the shunts do something to limit current and removing is a simple process,, they make for a very good H V supply transformer Bob K3DJC There may not be the same clearance /insulation on the > grounded end > of the secondary as the intended high-voltage end?? On the other > hand it > might be quite OK. I have a certain cynicism about "consumer > designs". > > Alan G3NYK > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:34 PM > Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers > > > These special transformers need the magnetic bypass because a > magnetron > looks (as a load) like a Z diode. > So they are powered, more or less, with a constant current source > rather > than a constant voltage source. > > In other words, the "generator" (transformer) must have a large > source > impedance, and that's what the magnetic bypass in the 'former does. > > Cheers, > Wolf . > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTDvmSSjbrNHSYJPGSy9kAhb573ZR02rTzJdHeySxW4dn7ddwp4z4U/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (rly-dg11.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.95]) by air-dg07.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDG071-6004a6c775a181; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 11:33:54 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG111-6004a6c775a181; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 11:33:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MV5hy-0004vH-Qe for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:32:18 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MV5hy-0004v8-AK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:32:18 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc3-s24.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.224]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MV5hp-0001q7-Em for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:32:15 +0100 Received: from BAY101-W28 ([64.4.56.128]) by bay0-omc3-s24.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 26 Jul 2009 08:31:57 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 17:31:57 +0200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70907250812g7601e278w6ad9822384500e57@mail.gmail.com> References: <57a24ca70907250812g7601e278w6ad9822384500e57@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2009 15:31:57.0952 (UTC) FILETIME=[36721800:01CA0E06] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_72ea5da1-b7d4-4f95-9687-ec8d64a6e420_" Subject: RE: LF: XGJ 25-07.jpg X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_72ea5da1-b7d4-4f95-9687-ec8d64a6e420_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Warren! There were a lot of storms and lightnings in the last weeks. As I can see= on internet, the "storm situation" is good now, so I am going to start my= RX on 137.777kHz. Will be your beacon ON this night? 73! Lubos, OK2BVG ****************************** > Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 11:12:58 -0400 > From: wd2xgj@gmail.com > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 25-07.jpg >=20 > Thank you Henny for the capture! > --=20 > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 >=20 >=20 >=20 > 2009/7/25 henny van elst : > > Hello Warren,Lf > > strong signal XGJ, > > Henny pa3cpm > > best 73s > > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > > verzonden: > > XGJ 25-07.jpg > > >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Ve slu=BEb=EC Windows Live m=F9=BEete uspo=F8=E1dat, upravit a sd=EDlet sv= =E9 fotografie. http://www.microsoft.com/cze/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gallery-ed= it.aspx=3D --_72ea5da1-b7d4-4f95-9687-ec8d64a6e420_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Warren!
There were a lot of storms and lightnings in the last wee= ks. As I can see on internet, the "storm situation" is good now, so I am= going to start my RX on 137.777kHz. Will be your beacon ON this night?
73!

Lubos, OK2BVG

******************************

> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 11:12:58 -0400
> From: wd2xgj@gmail= .com
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: LF: XGJ= 25-07.jpg
>
> Thank you Henny for the capture!
> -- > 73 Warren K2ORS
> WD2XGJ
> = WD2XSH/23
> WE2XEB/2
> = WE2XGR/1
>
>
>
> 2009/7/25 henny van elst <= cpm@planet.nl>:
> > Hello Warren,Lf
> > strong signal= XGJ,
> > Henny pa3cpm
> > best 73s
> > Het ber= icht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden
> >= verzonden:
> > XGJ 25-07.jpg
> >
>

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Klikni zde! =3D --_72ea5da1-b7d4-4f95-9687-ec8d64a6e420_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da02.mx.aol.com (rly-da02.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.76]) by air-da04.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDA041-a534a5e9bca27f; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:17:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA023-a534a5e9bca27f; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:17:31 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MRHRx-0002HS-W6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 04:16:01 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MRHRx-0002HJ-E3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 04:16:01 +0100 Received: from mail-yx0-f179.google.com ([209.85.210.179]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MRHRl-0001Zi-Nz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 04:15:50 +0100 Received: by yxe9 with SMTP id 9so6587244yxe.30 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:15:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=3+VyXQ8rHf3am6zvpLa//DgnDTfs/Q4fFuEZWBhnJ5M=; b=klM0E2oKIzUfiMFb+6y95c2Qv/JwvaiAB4xD5L/5o+hg6WIHaLrliNTfcSkVjGTsOZ rx0gGHALZGMKZ1jY7s6EL3B5naSaKDnNDw7hT75Xe6Lp289MT9Nltdg8EfpH/5IuGQCr wMs2N1q1X5+Ql6ZfUHRZOq56upmtNWlcG2bXU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Pt8tWisjbDCB4geP6UKlEARmsmVTidtEzBPrDG1zFGuWPvMDsgUyHc2uEgfxytl2HJ BVHGZPGA+lXsQX150oqlgVtThvNqqVFPvwwMCXwAuCf1FsiKLVRInAPeurLSoinnVnl7 Y71U+tH98ytOr3zxibJ2CAh8dya8b9xnND/qY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.158.10 with SMTP id g10mr13613371ybe.309.1247714151672; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:15:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A5E41D1.6090003@online.fr> References: <200907151729430361.091BDC4C@smtp2.numeo.fr> <000a01ca056e$0f4b3950$0201a8c0@euro7g1ku6dl5q> <4A5E41D1.6090003@online.fr> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:15:51 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70907152015x3a724e3frc853c7f6a7ff9638@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: Re: LF: LF T/A [137kHz] WD2XGJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d268.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Jean-Pierre, Thank you for the capture and the 'grabber'! --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 4:53 PM, "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 (F1AFJ)" wrote: > Hi Warren , LF , > > Good copy XGJ last night ( see capture ) > > 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (rly-dg01.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.85]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDG053-5a04a5e48d92a5; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:23:44 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG015-5a04a5e48d92a5; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:23:39 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MRBw8-0000qN-Tk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:22:48 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MRBw8-0000qE-Fz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:22:48 +0100 Received: from smtp22.services.sfr.fr ([93.17.128.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MRBw5-0002xN-OS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:22:47 +0100 Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2214.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 570F97000088 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:22:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from euro7g1ku6dl5q (21.171.87-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.87.171.21]) by msfrf2214.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 0B17F7000086 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:22:37 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20090715212238455.0B17F7000086@msfrf2214.sfr.fr Message-ID: <001801ca0592$60be78a0$0201a8c0@euro7g1ku6dl5q> From: "Claude Berthebaud" To: References: <739698B75D344BD8A9819C8C0F1EDB80@ns94d01ae4d850> <4A5E430A.7070200@online.fr> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:22:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090715-0, 15/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: f8boj signal Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Good ivening JPierre and the group I just have a look I did not get so hard on irfp450 48v 5.5A and qrss= 60 in=20 here .. I really completes the boj J and I not to other occupations the test in qrss60 is very good...(.bonsoir JPierre) Good night all Claude F8BOJ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ""Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 (F1AFJ)"" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 10:58 PM Subject: Re: LF: f8boj signal > Hello Claude , Henny , LF , > > Claude ton signal est monstrueux ici ! ( regardes sur le grabber ) > Claude your signal is monstrous here! (look on the grabber) > > 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj > >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (rly-dg07.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.91]) by air-dg03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDG033-5db4a5dd4f415d; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:09:23 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG074-5db4a5dd4f415d; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:09:13 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MR4Bs-0005y3-KS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:06:32 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MR4Br-0005xu-JP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:06:31 +0100 Received: from smtp130.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.107.113]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MR4Bp-0006Cp-Mj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:06:30 +0100 Received: (qmail 40714 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2009 13:06:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=BFABaIFQucFIoCSHMH4750lAQOTGSDBlXE9yoM3XJZAOm5WSpOrxSWvkQ7L7WDRCuqy/aRgssO0+VDavwokEexjofIC1e/auA/Q3+QcBFKVpqtlCwht/k7jHFMWWKZnWSRJTAVkAZOt5QT8P9ZsaNhgJDASQDnPXTI/GTx+/rVY= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lindavideo) (ken.h.wright@86.140.224.132 with login) by smtp130.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 13:06:23 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: APVNTmmswBB1ajQe0.MR1eIpHqOdoGKpEnK7HtPhl2t5AIcci3nTdw-- X-YMail-OSG: 3d7ZnmMVM1lVgKPJ1IQAivk3LyVc.OUOTVY2BoSqZ6XDdwxuAGSFp2Rzsi8qVsH5lOcRouIolTWUNz7Z98cl8IpcFvRcWxNGAdVde1PCrXjGuoN28eZj8uC8Hj1dE8EeNJ7zNFJuqwhsTaX5F9e9cPhhVfQBILL5MWfTp7Ihz5iBccBu8YUXRL5RCKJioxHTLEIVStR9YwBbLt7ZsD32.pEBs1VH6OKJOotw0paL9sxz_IWUxUTCc2wedO0TGitZL.STHa8nfgBsvEEysi4VS0MddjHlO8w2XJ71UeWEU79.78PyRa23.ESgWFhZg6z__UkhAv2AqA.AtqHPQPvWpMGoqd0B9TP1fwhWidtE9w-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <37A679095FA44A62A6E423E17CB5DC63@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <7.0.1.0.1.20090715193731.01a75230@xtra.co.nz> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:06:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: Re: Microwave oven transformers Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello All. This confirms my original posting that the magnatising current is greatly increased when the core shunts are removed, as previously stated use two with primaries in series, then lifting the earth connections on the seconary windings connect in series and make up a full wave bridge, not forgeting to put a resistor across each diode to equalise the voltages. Ken 73deM0KHW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda Hayes" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:35 AM Subject: LF: Microwave oven transformers > Hello all, > > I have recently done some tests on a pair of identical transformers > removed from two identical ovens. > Perhaps unfortunately, I removed the magnetic shunts before doing any > no-load testing. After half an hour, with 235V applied to the primary > windings and no secondary load, the iron was far too hot for comfort.. > At this stage, I measured the iron losses with an accurate wattmeter that > certainly takes account of the crummy power factor.. > At 50 watts apiece, for no-load losses, I had visions of cooling fans etc. > > My solution was to wire a double-wound 230/32V [150VA] transformer in > step-down "auto" style to feed the ex-microwave transformer primaries. > This step-down transformer showed negligible iron loss of 4W or so. With > a new primary voltage of 200, the standing iron loss dropped to around 30W > per ex-microwave transformer. Naturally, the secondary voltage has also > dropped. I now have about > 1600 - 0 - 1600V from the two transformers when the primaries are > correctly phased. > > While the earthed ends of each HT winding could be lifted and FW bridge > rectification employed, I was reluctant to follow this path due to > insulation considerations. > > There is another trick that I found useful for safely matching > non-identical transformers, provided they are much the same size: > Apply 230V to the HV secondary windings and compare output voltages - > usually 23/26 volts or so. > > Watch where you put your fingers. > > Kevin ZL4MD > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df04.mx.aol.com (rly-df04.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.17]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDF073-5494a64ed7377; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:19:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF048-5494a64ed7377; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:19:32 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MT1Bt-00063b-Rb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:18:37 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MT1Bt-00063S-2y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:18:37 +0100 Received: from smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.17]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MT1Bo-0007Dj-CJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:18:35 +0100 Received: (qmail 34355 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2009 22:18:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:Importance; b=HkSd7HgteypuunWAFh3zjkzIAUGFAbpj1nw+LZoPNk7a9fSTK48YGrJLjQGOwD/foCLFAkT0459wNd8hSvW7wEW2+2axQw+8ziQidEAgxeFcC+ZnsK5gzqp2v4FgGxBhkKn+rOjln3crGCok1Eaufrq80gZJcL0zt7elt/e7pfU= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@86.141.125.244 with login) by smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2009 22:18:26 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: JSvqNSWswBBXc9Mk_Vd71RtGz2bViJtuZMADdmi78eLqBj_R7.fL X-YMail-OSG: oyzVcygVM1klwA8gqwoVcy5BuMXCM99Tif4vwp7TN3XbFp.dQdyIF18AFeMHXF8naiJOl1Ftt88msEg0cJpWfJ5mu.4ODuvYOYEGrCZxWS.pf73HZkXgSKYMu8_hs8tXEMZpwX.Sw.mgmD62dW3M5tgl3EzMGA6H7wwN_CDPQd8LIZiSpZaYCg3bZFcUcIr_AG2ctV4leMVChofUi.2.1IjylIZQiOVXrGU3UupP1fiXjZ21RqqGJrtOJo0OGXnVWxEEh3HmhkD4KcOc8vsh6jB5qqUAptWT2Sx1X5TOTlhhCkAW5J08m3t6.Xd0iKJEbwPsAVgbQq0zEKY1D9pAWG5g.9EYbkiK83ABhKh1bQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:18:47 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA0990.6EC279E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA0990.6EC279E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Jeff, Rik, Markus, Mouser GB sells the STGW30NC60WD IGBT, at £3-60 each. See the link below. You can download a data sheet from the same site. http://gb.mouser.com/search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=bbdZqDPQhEUJJb0Z4VAXWQ== Farnell UK also sell them:- http://uk.farnell.com/stmicroelectronics/stgw30nc60wd/igbt-to-247/dp/1293659 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of F6CWN Sent: 20 July 2009 23:02 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? Hello Markus and Rick! I have only just acquainted myself with your messages. (Just going out from hospital, big blood pressure problem...) Thanks a lot for precious information, of what make fun still! I recovered some ferrites N87 types which should work in 137 KHZ. Another subject interests me, it is the possibility of transmitting with a big spool of several turns (a bit as WD2XDW). But EIRP is much weaker than with a vertical aerial, then it is necessary to "push more" in power! VY 73: Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 10:07 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? Jeff, Marcus, STGW30NC60WD has a turnoff delay of 120ns. Turn on delay and rise / fall times are better than 30ns. That should be good enough for 137kHz, maybe even for 500kHz. It further has a max. Collector-Emitter Voltage of 600V, max. Collector Current of 60A (200A pulsed), max.. dissipation of 200W and a saturation voltage of 2V (@20A). Looks like a good "workhorse" for those who want to experiment with IGBT's. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 22:05 26/06/2009, you wrote: Dear Jeff, havn't actually tried it myself on 137 kHz. But from past experience I'd say that while IGBTs may have less DC loss, they are much slower (especially during turnoff). They can be used as effient switches at some tens of kHz, whereas MOSFETs will easily go up to several MHz. Kind regards, Markus, DF6NM ----- Original Message ----- From: F6CWN To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:37 PM Subject: LF: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? Good night to all, Anybody would have any experience on the use of IGBT in 136 KHz amplifiers? Thanks in advance! 73: Jeff / F6CWN ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA0990.6EC279E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jeff,=20 Rik, Markus,
 
Mouser GB sells the STGW30NC6= 0WD IGBT, at =A33-60=20 each. See the link below. You can download a data sheet from the same= =20 site.
 
 
Farnell UK also sell them:-
 
 
 
73,=20 Dave G3WCB IO91RM
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of=20 F6CWN
Sent: 20 July 2009 23:02
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT in= 136 KHz=20 TX?

Hello Markus and Rick!
 
I have only just acquainted myself= with your=20 messages.
(Just going out from hospital, big blood pressure=20 problem...)
Thanks a lot for precious informati= on, of what=20 make fun still!
I recovered some ferrites N87 types= which should=20 work in 137 KHZ.
Another subject interests me, it is= the=20 possibility of transmitting with a big spool of several turns (a bit= as=20 WD2XDW). But EIRP is much weaker than with a vertical aerial,= then it is=20 necessary to "push more"  in power!
 
VY 73: Jeff
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rik Strobbe
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009= 10:07=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT= in 136 KHz=20 TX?

Jeff, Marcus,

STGW30NC60WD has a turnoff del= ay of=20 120ns. Turn on delay and rise / fall times are better than 30ns.That=20 should be good enough for 137kHz, maybe even for 500kHz.
It fur= ther has a=20 max. Collector-Emitter Voltage of 600V, max. Collec= tor Current=20 of 60A (200A pulsed), max.. dissipation of 200W and a saturation= voltage of=20 2V (@20A).
Looks like a good "workhorse" for those who= want to=20 experiment with IGBT's.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

<= BR>At=20 22:05 26/06/2009, you wrote:
De= ar=20 Jeff,
 
havn't actually tried= it myself on=20 137 kHz. But from past experience I'd say that while IGBTs may= have less=20 DC loss, they are much slower (especially during turnoff). They= can be=20 used as effient switches at some tens of kHz, whereas MOSFETs wi= ll easily=20 go up to several MHz.
 
Kind=20 regards,
Markus, DF6NM
 
----- Original Message -----
From: F6CWN
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:37 PM
Subject: LF: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?

Good night to all,

 =20
Anybody would have any experience on the us= e of IGBT in=20 136 KHz amplifiers?
Thanks in advance!
73: Jeff / F6CWN

 
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA0990.6EC279E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df03.mx.aol.com (rly-df03.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.16]) by air-df05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDF051-53b4a5e2361360; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:44:10 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF034-53b4a5e2361360; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:43:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MR9RH-0008LZ-BM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:42:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MR9RG-0008LQ-Rp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:42:46 +0100 Received: from web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.126]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MR9R6-000782-0a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:42:36 +0100 Received: (qmail 69891 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jul 2009 18:42:39 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1247683359; bh=GRhb6yBUIjNrpSZnOAb6ZtZD+5w6nwJACow2BzZy74M=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hXGADlDnoVV/Ey6AwdJLEUHvLp8mvZElt5aaLvKgH5zvRcvM1gst1To5XlA0HcMthhK98eQxsun6lqiz8JF8KJWYMRBQ+rCcLcgyigDEpXltZRkM9Nw9g+wUh3m5Ce2nS6kpqS7Np9pTmuKd79gN7tGSmKkudgmm6gVoNWtJUUA= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jWpnPcwHNZY5HYr0rIYyMahCi29qkF5MX8Btg0K24Zk65xYQ0+LfhulFlJzV5NZBRA9IEbqxdvNsFVWMMWDNmC8p1a8vsVGe9e+quyoG5+JivEuku/XMbHf4f3w0cV2qL+EqLa9P5DdCZWyAOilx9yuSaZfX8M4j7KH24bBpIB4=; Message-ID: <164891.68523.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: DYm2Ru8VM1l8yoF0xtcMN1SnvfaGwTugNFTLQ_Cts7vrwX2Md7uxjxZlVy6YtUG45GCuzaFjDo7eRnQqEhNn6HSCvK7VZDeNHAoosfDerPl4ftpNZaSXvJAtw14pLsbIeSqXmG_yTmds4BNWRrUa2Hb40RZ4E6sfIpihf9.ZrVAxfuRYIwCAHEnNCHwZDcfzDjSktQIEb_KgXMo5eEigypAAEfwveteq6lhmfS.1tJOQ125oZx_MagVbMT4einY83P1KiFhPg_vr3AUwJRXtjuWxqI2ztTH7TLQmsXDgBVT8VkoqxJzGhlvddWIY8op4ivr2RDwGIb_D5xVv1VdJxlG2BvZy3mu8 Received: from [86.149.154.70] by web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:42:38 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.0.18 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:42:38 +0000 (GMT) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <003d01ca055f$a8bd7120$0201a8c0@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: 500KHz Signal Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2136066783-1247683358=:68523" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m253.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-2136066783-1247683358=:68523 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Chris Tnx fer nice rprt on 500kc/s and than you. =A0 We can do crossband QSX between 3.566megs and 500kc/s several people have= done that and it works very well so we could try it some time. =A0 I have done that both ways and is a good way to start on 500kc/s. =A0 GL es 73 Pete M0FMT --- On Wed, 15/7/09, Chris wrote: From: Chris Subject: LF: 500KHz Signal To: "RSGB LF Group" Date: Wednesday, 15 July, 2009, 4:19 PM Been getting good copy, S7, of M0FMT on 500KHz this afternoon. Regular bur= sts of 'test' and short CQs. Sorry, no NOV, so can't get back to you. My Rx IC718, ant. is homebrew mini active whip @ 30'. Vy 73, Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent, (JO01MI). =20 --0-2136066783-1247683358=:68523 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Chris Tnx fer nice rprt on 500kc/s= and than you.
 
We can do crossband QSX between 3.566megs and 500kc/s several people= have done that and it works very well so we could try it some time.
 
I have done that both ways and is a good way to start on 500kc/s.
 
GL es 73 Pete M0FMT

--- On Wed, 15/7/09, Chris <c.ash= by435@btinternet.com> wrote:

From: Chris <c.ashby435@btinternet.com><= BR>Subject: LF: 500KHz Signal
To: "RSGB LF Group" <rsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep.org>
Date: Wednesday, 15 July, 2009, 4:19 PM

Been getting good copy, S7, of M0FMT on= 500KHz this afternoon. Regular bursts of 'test' and short CQs.
Sorry, no NOV, so can't get back to you.<= /FONT>
My Rx IC718, ant. is homebrew mini active= whip @ 30'.
Vy 73,
Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent, (JO01MI).=

=20 --0-2136066783-1247683358=:68523-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (rly-mg08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.114]) by air-mg10.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMG103-a294a4fcf1b1ca; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:52:52 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG083-a294a4fcf1b1ca; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:52:30 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MND8j-00025X-Qr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:51:21 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MND8j-00025O-7I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:51:21 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MND8h-0005Fu-95 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:51:21 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F2447B8043 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 23:51:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB-N3.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub-n3.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.13]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 276BFF3862 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 23:51:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-EXC2-CA.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.11.13]) by ICTS-S-HUB-N3.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.9.13]) with mapi; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 23:51:12 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 23:50:02 +0200 Thread-Topic: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS Thread-Index: Acn82DYNdhXc7/9HTSqaywNhgAt/2AAGSxaC Message-ID: References: <908B19DF06BE4ECEB3A61470A89BEFA8@Black> <20090703100648.865C531E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <20090703113546.640D731E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be>,<09DF43BF4A974C1D80DF9BC90E77B1E3@AGB> In-Reply-To: <09DF43BF4A974C1D80DF9BC90E77B1E3@AGB> Accept-Language: nl-NL, nl-BE Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: nl-NL, nl-BE MIME-Version: 1.0 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: RE: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C049F1D7DICTSSEXC2CAluna_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, LINES_OF_YELLING,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C049F1D7DICTSSEXC2CAluna_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good 559 copy at 21:40 UTC EI0CF also 559 beaconing at the bottom end 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g] namens Graham [g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk] Verzonden: zaterdag 4 juli 2009 20:34 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT 4 july ROUND 1930 ONWARDS Operating on 502.00 khz cw , RX 502 kx +/- also rx on 3533 / 7033 cw - cross band Possibly operating till round 2400 hrs qsl GB4FPR@HOTMAIL.CO.UK Reports welcome Tnx- Graham --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C049F1D7DICTSSEXC2CAluna_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good= 559 copy at 21:40 UTC
EI0CF also 559 beaconing= at the bottom end
 
73, Rik  ON7YD - OR= 7T
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Graham [g8fzk@g8fzk.fsne= t.co.uk]
Verzonden: zaterdag 4 juli 2009 20:34
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS

 GB4FPR  502.00 KHZ TONIGHT=   4 july ROUND 1930  ONWARDS
 
Operating on 502.00  khz cw ,
 
RX 502 kx +/-  also rx on&nb= sp; 3533 / 7033  cw -  cross band 
 
Possibly operating till  round&n= bsp; 2400 hrs
 
 
Reports welcome
 
Tnx- Graham
 
 
 
 

 
--_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C049F1D7DICTSSEXC2CAluna_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md06.mx.aol.com (rly-md06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.144]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMD051-90f4a562a40314; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:35:16 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md06.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD067-90f4a562a40314; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:34:59 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MOxVC-00022P-9H for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:33:46 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MOxVB-00022G-QM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:33:45 +0100 Received: from smtprelay-virgin0161.hostedemail.com ([64.99.136.161] helo=smtprelay-virgin.hostedemail.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MOxV8-0001SF-TZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:33:45 +0100 Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (ff-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay05.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4041F25AB17A for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:33:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Summary: 30,2,0,c4f14641cf42fea7,d41d8cd98f00b204,james.cowburn@virgin.net,rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org,RULES_HIT:10:355:379:539:541:542:599:600:901:945:946:967:969:973:988:989:1155:1156:1160:1260:1277:1311:1313:1314:1345:1359:1437:1461:1515:1516:1518:1534:1541:1593:1594:1711:1730:1747:1766:1792:2075:2078:2110:2393:2525:2553:2559:2563:2682:2685:2857:2859:2895:2933:2937:2939:2942:2945:2947:2951:2954:3022:3027:3352:3636:3657:3865:3866:3867:3868:3869:3871:3872:3874:3934:3936:3938:3941:3944:3947:3950:3953:3956:3959:3961:4250:4362:5007:6119:6261:7576:7679:7901:7903:8509:8599:9025:9388:9545:9562:10004,0,RBL:none,CacheIP:none,Bayesian:0.5,0.5,0.5,Netcheck:none,DomainCache:0,MSF:not bulk,SPF:fn,MSBL:none,DNSBL:none,Custom_rules:0:0:0 X-Filterd-Recvd-Size: 1883 Received: from jimdesk (client-81-107-206-210.glfd.adsl.virgin.net [81.107.206.210]) by omf10.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:33:37 +0000 (UTC) From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <3ED0CD52FE44410585B4FD49BC73AF8C@JimPC> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 18:33:35 +0100 Message-ID: <002801ca00bb$644af9c0$0217aac0@jimdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <3ED0CD52FE44410585B4FD49BC73AF8C@JimPC> thread-index: AcoAL/lUxY8U7UhERQmv8urw/f5yegAi1dIQ X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: LF Tuning Aids Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Jim Looks excellent. Giving me some good ideas Thanks for uploading this Jim G7NKS -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of James Moritz Sent: 09 July 2009 01:54 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: LF Tuning Aids Dear LF Group, I have just uploaded a file (LF_tuning_aids.pdf) to the UK500kHz group site at http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/files. This is an updated/expanded version of my old "LF tuning meter" article that has been on G3YXM's web pages for some time. It describes a number of devices for monitoring antenna matching I have used on 136kHz and 500kHz, including: -The original 136kHz LF tuning meter design, indicating voltage, current and phase, with updates for dual band 136k/500k use. -The "Scopematch", for displaying antenna feeder voltage and current waveforms on a dual trace scope -A couple of simple SWR bridge designs Hope it proves to be of interest - any comments welcome. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md01.mx.aol.com (rly-md01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.139]) by air-md09.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMD093-8e14a6a033d261; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:54:13 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD011-8e14a6a033d261; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:53:51 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MUPsU-0008SX-UA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 19:52:22 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MUPsS-0008SO-EP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 19:52:20 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-2.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.243] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MUPsO-00060R-2b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 19:52:18 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmQFAPqeaUpOlTR2/2dsb2JhbACCJS+CG4UFgyAGyCKEDQU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.149.52.118]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2009 19:46:47 +0100 Message-ID: <003701ca0c8f$19049db0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 19:46:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: UPS psu Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01CA0C97.7A6736A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01CA0C97.7A6736A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just bought several UPS units. These make good psu's for LF/MF fet= transmitters etc Depending on model these make ideal psu's for fet LF= /MF transmitters delivering from 12v to 60v at several amps. They hav= e the added advantage because of the batteries of delivering power eve= n when the mains goes off, at least enough to finish a qso. They can= also be used as battery chargers. The 230v outputs could also be hand= y, this is of course what they were intended to do. My models are POWE= RSURE some delivering up to 1400 watts. 73 mal/g3kev =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01CA0C97.7A6736A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just bought several UPS units. Thes= e make good=20 psu's for LF/MF fet transmitters etc Depending on model these make=20 ideal psu's for fet LF/MF transmitters delivering from 12v to 60v= at=20 several  amps. They have the added advantage because of the batte= ries of=20 delivering power even when the mains goes off, at least enough to fini= sh a qso.=20 They can also be used as battery chargers. The 230v outputs could also= be handy,=20 this is of course what they were intended to do. My models are=20 POWERSURE some delivering up to 1400 watts.
73 mal/g3kev
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0034_01CA0C97.7A6736A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db07.mx.aol.com (rly-db07.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.82]) by air-db03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDB033-ad34a5511b293; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:38:06 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB071-ad34a5511b293; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:37:57 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MOeoX-0007el-88 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:36:29 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MOeoW-0007ec-Mu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:36:28 +0100 Received: from mail-bw0-f218.google.com ([209.85.218.218]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MOeoU-0000vl-LH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:36:28 +0100 Received: by bwz18 with SMTP id 18so1547991bwz.4 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:36:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=I98rESY1re0xDj/QLDlAXt745i9rf6BFxpczsJpvfTI=; b=XlXDA2NiZ0O07nfcDjuz2ePDMl9NtJVVXJT/Xwr9PBaxsPU9ONAPoTA7RylcddNwsy j6W/GY8/jCAeedZatlbcUz5eVbbjncSA7JHCypgiUa0nRZnjAMKpA6hR2VYvyctGTXG4 waERbYXfc40cyM0Odg/ZQcFnKdzzi55J4voR4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=I5o7xPtmGr49gDlpVB93MT+a5yWGLDSfeOUV4Nf9Ew67bYdzl6ySzyouwL5YAgZvi4 wKQ4bV7tD9skVQVqVe0ul9KgJOhkFlp7AY78kMjrDYKrZHmRqSef68qe7cqi42T7R2yr wVbKpg/JeHwSSKZiZmTUNSbIjf/Jr0LQyOE2o= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.146.212 with SMTP id x20mr636607hba.97.1247088980456; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:36:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <713744.8360.qm@web86208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <713744.8360.qm@web86208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:36:20 +0100 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: ukmicrowaves@yahoogroups.com, uk_beacons@yahoogroups.com, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Fwd: Fw: Ofcom Update: Date Correction - Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m268.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) The Lat/Long converts to: Loc. JO00FV41 NGR TQ723122 Andy www.g4jnt.com --- On Wed, 8/7/09, Updates wrote: From: Updates Subject: Ofcom Update: Date Correction - Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises To: Date: Wednesday, 8 July, 2009, 11:14 AM The MoD has informed Ofcom of the following GPS jamming exercise: Dates: 14th and 15th October 2009. Times: Maximum of two hours between the times of 08:00-12:00 and 13:30=9615:30 each day. Location: Within 1km of N50=B0 53.0=92 and E000=B0 27.0=92 (Bexhill, East= Sussex). Contact: Trial Manager (during the trial) on 07776 484226. ..........................................................................= . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg08.mx.aol.com (rly-dg08.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.92]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDG063-5e34a712d0315c; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 01:18:16 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG082-5e34a712d0315c; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 01:17:56 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MWNzh-0004vb-Rd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 06:15:57 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MWNzh-0004vS-68 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 06:15:57 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc3-s26.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.226]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MWNzc-0007Sv-Rx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 06:15:54 +0100 Received: from BAY101-W7 ([64.4.56.107]) by bay0-omc3-s26.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:15:44 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 07:15:44 +0200 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2009 05:15:44.0719 (UTC) FILETIME=[CA5575F0:01CA10D4] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_6dfea6c9-3326-4ab5-80ff-61717fb8e265_" Subject: LF: Reguest of technical info X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_6dfea6c9-3326-4ab5-80ff-61717fb8e265_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF! I have got "VLF interference measuring receiver LFR1000", produced by CHAS= E ELECTRICS LIMITED. I bought it in UK and I use it as receiver on 137kHz= (it works from 9kHz to 150kHz). It is very good receiver, especially now,= when it is used with new home made DDS inside. I have short Operator instructions only, but I NEED detailed scheme of thi= s receiver.=20 Can anybody help me, please? Lubos, OK2BVG _________________________________________________________________ Ve slu=BEb=EC Windows Live m=F9=BEete uspo=F8=E1dat, upravit a sd=EDlet sv= =E9 fotografie. http://www.microsoft.com/cze/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gallery-ed= it.aspx=3D --_6dfea6c9-3326-4ab5-80ff-61717fb8e265_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF!
I have got "VLF interference measuring receiver LFR1000", pro= duced by CHASE ELECTRICS LIMITED. I bought it in UK and I use it as receiv= er on 137kHz (it works from 9kHz to 150kHz). It is very good receiver, esp= ecially now, when it is used with new home made DDS inside.
I have shor= t Operator instructions only, but I NEED detailed scheme of this receiver.=
Can anybody help me, please?

Lubos, OK2BVG

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Klikni zde! =3D --_6dfea6c9-3326-4ab5-80ff-61717fb8e265_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc08.mx.aol.com (rly-mc08.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.92]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMC024-d8f4a701db5306; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 06:00:31 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC087-d8f4a701db5306; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 06:00:23 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MW5wS-0002gb-Si for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 10:59:24 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MW5wS-0002gS-H7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 10:59:24 +0100 Received: from mbox2.netikka.net ([213.250.81.203]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MW5w4-0006HT-QP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 10:59:01 +0100 Received: from imp1.netikka.net (imp1.netikka.net [213.250.85.154]) by mbox2.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA094080C3 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:59:12 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imp1.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6688495BC7 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:59:12 +0300 (EEST) Received: from eur-info24.infonet.com (eur-info24.infonet.com [213.31.11.24]) by imp.netikka.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:59:12 +0300 Message-ID: <1248861552.4a701d70a1dda@imp.netikka.net> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:59:12 +0300 From: Paul-Henrik To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001001ca102b$1b87c040$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> In-Reply-To: <001001ca102b$1b87c040$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 213.31.11.24 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Licence of OK0EMW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Lubos, Andrey, LF OK0EMW was also audible in OH last night with a good signal for this time= of the year. I was surprised and delighted to hear two tones when tuning past 505.1-505.2kHz to check band conditions. 73 Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ Quoting Andrey rn3agc : > Hi Lubos, LF! > OK0EMW audible last night, ~21.20z! > mp3-file: http://rn3agc.msk.ru/sound/090728-ok0emw-cw.mp3 > > 73 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me06.mx.aol.com (rly-me06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.40]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINME012-9c04a5ee467197; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 04:27:34 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me06.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME064-9c04a5ee467197; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 04:27:20 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MRMIP-0003Fd-Dz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:26:29 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MRMIO-0003FU-Lq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:26:28 +0100 Received: from smtp137.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.107.120]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MRMID-00032F-3p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:26:17 +0100 Received: (qmail 53060 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2009 08:26:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=yh0bqDtudKQWSAyGVUydwlKwPjxlJ6Ep4gI26e/LMyH2bS/I+xunSIN5QF5yocGiR2VF0vtqia1uLizIovKOTJAemvgt5P4yGFug/VmwtcPUmS+8RIWMM9pB76u0wydfhj1cv5hrZ7Wp+boigdFAZaqku0ZtynmMmpATKSDaCj4= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lindavideo) (ken.h.wright@86.140.224.132 with login) by smtp137.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2009 08:26:20 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: APVNTmmswBB1ajQe0.MR1eIpHqOdoGKpEnK7HtPhl2t5AIcci3nTdw-- X-YMail-OSG: AOxI4bgVM1nUK0IffbFzvFE9gMIGIx7rSKS9DrXPbYkg1aK_rgm38XxyUfuhSOTFwBwUydNl0z.kMC_Dp.nNZXRyFdUYFABA0kX64silIhaBei_IE1.XxQXxKjsa3HOw9pBO.oO3msEOPOw4pC3PUVNmUecdsr.2nXltEG_wLEhiO4DQmI4ZWfwmpOgWSt8tUP4UKTqEawG4copZ0tYayWDG1pT4pYbPbauUnjrULQrU1mObJZN2fwwXK6Rs9TiM7E83C4ML6sS1ioHBRK.xXxLGMNSxFXz1OZ6.VkkUoI3ihqwoqKnSV4mXUwltA7xiCFbeC8MYydcexoi4CpWM0Zt4vELhfnFoh.UHo.KZfRfVhwE- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <6D931A509DFE488E95CECD8F8482AC68@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <003501ca0554$292717a0$0900a8c0@AM> <009a01ca0591$50cba2c0$0900a8c0@AM> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:26:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Everyone. It looks as if I have really started something going, the main problem is obtaining the transformers, for too expensive to buy new. The obvious source are Council Tidy Tips, the problem there is that scrap microwave ovens come under the EU. WEEE directive, however some Tidy Tips are licensed to sell items like these, it is a matter of contacting various local authorities to find a licensed site, alternatively there is always Ebay. KEN 73 de M0KHW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Melia" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:59 PM Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers > Hi Ken yes I appreciate the usage. I was a little concerned that if the > transformer was not designed for that kind of use it might not necessarily > have sufficent insulation from that end of the winding to ground to > survive > the different stresses of of bridge rectifier. However Bob says he has > been > using one like that for years so I guess they must have been > conservatively > designed. I have had problems with transformers parallel primaries and > series secondaries ( a common way of getting high voltages for valves > ....in > my youth :-)) ) breaking down under the voltage stress. I have several > transformers I salvaged from MOs and I now feel a lot happier about their > use in HV PSUs. In the 50s.60s I was brought up with thick insulation and > porcelain standoffs :-)) > > An interesting thread. > Best Wishes > Alan G3NYK > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 7:04 PM > Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers > > >> Hi Alan. >> The earthy end of the HV winding should be lifted from earth, and a > fullwave >> bridge used . >> >> Ken >> 73 de M0KHW >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Alan Melia" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:57 PM >> Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers >> >> >> > Hi all, I am very please to see not everyone sticks to a 12 volt >> > maximum >> > supply voltage >> > :-)) >> > >> > One though that occurs to me is that if one side of the MO transformer > is >> > grounded in oven service........one ought to check that the winding as >> > a >> > whole is sufficiently well insulated from ground to stand floating 2kV >> > above >> > ground. There may not be the same clearance /insulation on the grounded >> > end >> > of the secondary as the intended high-voltage end?? On the other hand >> > it >> > might be quite OK. I have a certain cynicism about "consumer designs". >> > >> > Alan G3NYK >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: >> > To: >> > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:34 PM >> > Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers >> > >> > >> > These special transformers need the magnetic bypass because a magnetron >> > looks (as a load) like a Z diode. >> > So they are powered, more or less, with a constant current source >> > rather >> > than a constant voltage source. >> > >> > In other words, the "generator" (transformer) must have a large source >> > impedance, and that's what the magnetic bypass in the 'former does. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Wolf . >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg05.mx.aol.com (rly-dg05.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.89]) by air-dg04.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDG041-5c64a6cc0ebd7; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:47:54 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg05.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG053-5c64a6cc0ebd7; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:47:42 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MVAbx-000625-JP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 21:46:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MVAbw-00061w-Va for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 21:46:24 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.190] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MVAbb-0006Cu-Ks for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 21:46:04 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3631.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4DCF87000086 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 22:46:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.23.6]) by mwinf3631.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 124067000082 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 22:46:14 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090726204614748.124067000082@mwinf3631.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <1149B6CA80204E7691BAFA61F94FAE64@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <004e01ca0e08$4e2b7ac0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <009501ca0e19$b3045fa0$6401a8c0@asus> In-Reply-To: <009501ca0e19$b3045fa0$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 21:45:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: GB4FPR ACTIVE 502 KHZ 1600 HRS BST onwards MONDAY 27/7 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01AC_01CA0E3A.730463C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_01AC_01CA0E3A.730463C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable GB4FPR ACTIVE 502 KHZ 1600 HRS BST Onwards MONDAY 27/7=20 Will be active Monday , round 1600 BST onwards 502 KHz cw only=20 reports welcome to gb4fpr@hotmail.co.uk=20 ------=_NextPart_000_01AC_01CA0E3A.730463C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
GB4FPR ACTIVE 502 KHZ  1600 HRS&= nbsp; BST=20 Onwards   MONDAY 27/7
 
Will be active Monday , round 1600 BS= T =20 onwards 502 KHz  cw only
reports welcome to   gb4fpr@hotmail.co.uk
  ------=_NextPart_000_01AC_01CA0E3A.730463C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma03.mx.aol.com (rly-ma03.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.47]) by air-ma06.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMA062-8974a6a265422b; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:24:04 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA031-8974a6a265422b; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:23:35 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MUSDP-0000UK-7Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:22:07 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MUSDO-0000UB-QP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:22:06 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc3-s29.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.229]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MUSDL-0006nc-2d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:22:04 +0100 Received: from BAY101-W45 ([64.4.56.145]) by bay0-omc3-s29.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:21:49 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:21:49 +0200 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2009 21:21:49.0917 (UTC) FILETIME=[C1CE40D0:01CA0CA4] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_34e771f1-ad79-4e96-8629-c55f6c19cdfd_" Subject: LF: Licence of OK0EMW X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_34e771f1-ad79-4e96-8629-c55f6c19cdfd_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all LF! I am glad, that I can tell you good news: The licence of my beacon OK0EMW was extended to 13.8.2010. OK0EMW is active on its fixed freq 505.060kHz with 1W ERP. All reports are= welcome! 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS, Breclav, The Czech Republic _________________________________________________________________ Sd=EDlejte sv=E9 z=E1=BEitky s k=FDmkoli chcete. http://www.microsoft.com/cze/windows/windowslive/products/photos-share.asp= x?tab=3D1=3D --_34e771f1-ad79-4e96-8629-c55f6c19cdfd_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all LF!
I am glad, that I can tell you good news:

The lice= nce of my beacon OK0EMW was extended to 13.8.2010.

OK0EMW is active= on its fixed freq 505.060kHz with 1W ERP. All reports are welcome!
73!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS, Breclav, The Czech Republic

Bu=EFte v kontaktu se sv=FDmi p=F8=E1teli z Facebooku a Hotmailu= = Klikni zde! =3D --_34e771f1-ad79-4e96-8629-c55f6c19cdfd_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (rly-mf02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.172]) by air-mf03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMF031-9454a5e0c09305; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:04:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF023-9454a5e0c09305; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:04:11 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MR7sf-0007j1-Tk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:02:57 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MR7sf-0007is-FU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:02:57 +0100 Received: from smtp21.services.sfr.fr ([93.17.128.3]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MR7sc-0001at-9W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:02:56 +0100 Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2127.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id DB8E67000099 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:02:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from euro7g1ku6dl5q (21.171.87-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.87.171.21]) by msfrf2127.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 9A0F37000094 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:02:44 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20090715170244631.9A0F37000094@msfrf2127.sfr.fr Message-ID: <000a01ca056e$0f4b3950$0201a8c0@euro7g1ku6dl5q> From: "Claude Berthebaud" To: References: <200907151729430361.091BDC4C@smtp2.numeo.fr> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:02:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090714-0, 14/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: test the QRSS60......137776hz...20h utc Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Good evening Tonight I test......... qrss60 ......137776hz ....from 20h utc......BOJ........ controles are welcome. good evening Claude F8BOJ. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb07.mx.aol.com (rly-mb07.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.165]) by air-mb03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMB032-d164a72f7d8160; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 09:55:52 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB072-d164a72f7d8160; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 09:55:38 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MWsYe-0001LZ-7o for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:54:04 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MWsYd-0001LQ-4a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:54:03 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MWsYW-0005Yp-1i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:54:00 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3527.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9A6391C00086 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:53:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.50.188]) by mwinf3527.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 1301A1C00083 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:53:44 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090731135344780.1301A1C00083@mwinf3527.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <7C5EF3297F5848B8A92142CFD613FB0B@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <001c01ca1145$390b2dd0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:53:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: cq round 502 ? 1300 hrs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01CA11EE.ACDB43E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CA11EE.ACDB43E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now stronger .1445 hrs .. M0FMT rst 4/5 - 4 - 9 ..may be in beaco= n mode ? freq .. may be (+/- a bit ) 502.1250 @ 10 db over the noise floo= r=20 rx set up 38 ft vert , no atu, ft897-d , 501 , usb=20 Aslo seeing 'cw' at 503.4 ..1445 hrs=20 G ..=20 From: Graham=20 Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:06 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: cq round 502 ? 1300 hrs=20 Station calling 'cq' round 502 .on the speaker . but too low to get= the call =20 sorry - may be O ..... ?=20 Graham , io83lk ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.38/2274 - Release Date: 07/3= 1/09 05:58:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CA11EE.ACDB43E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Now stronger .1445 hrs .. M0FMT =   =20 rst  4/5 -  4 - 9 ..may be in beacon mode ?
 
freq .. may be  (+/- a bit )&nbs= p; =20 502.1250  @  10 db over the  noise floor
 
rx set up  38 ft vert , no atu,&= nbsp; ft897-d=20 , 501  , usb
 
Aslo seeing  'cw' at 503.4 ..144= 5 hrs=20
 
G ..

From: Graham
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:06 PM
Subject: LF: cq round 502 ? 1300 hrs

 
Station calling 'c= q'  round=20 502 .on the  speaker . but too low to  get the  call&nb= sp;=20
 
sorry - may be O= ..... ?=20
 
Graham , io83lk


No virus found in this incoming message.
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------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CA11EE.ACDB43E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md09.mx.aol.com (rly-md09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.147]) by air-md01.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMD011-9264a503c457; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:38:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md09.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD096-9264a503c457; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:38:16 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MNKPT-0004IK-Sm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 06:37:07 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MNKPT-0004IB-8V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 06:37:07 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.9]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MNKPQ-0004ld-OO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 06:37:07 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-177-30-45.range86-177.btcentralplus.com [86.177.30.45]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKsym-1MNKPI31w8-000OkL; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 07:37:01 +0200 From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 06:36:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4A503BF8.31954.163F21@dave.davesergeant.com> In-reply-to: References: , , X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.51) Content-description: Mail message body X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/fDcBWAA1EwE/96rM8/3dygzSLYbaBCJaZE5O 86v3sUvkfL1SqZ8KIZ21C0rbh4NvMDGdp1UMcaq2q/Uphz2ydb FkS/KiWxJhZO1/Y2eE9LnlXImcYC6p8 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On 5 Jul 2009 at 1:24, James Moritz wrote: > Dear Graham, LF Group, > > Tried replying to your CQs a couple of times around 2200utc, but no > response - perhaps that receiver does need a look... > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > 579 here in Bracknell, IO91PJ. I assume it was at your QTH Graham? Was not in a position to call last night, but judging from other comments I guess you would have never heard my milliwatts... I was a bit mystified to see Chris G3XIZ (always 599+ many) call you and not a dickey bird of a response, maybe the receiver does need a bit of work doing on it... 73 Dave G3YMC http://www.davesergeant.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf10.mx.aol.com (rly-mf10.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.180]) by air-mf09.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMF091-98a4a68c666388; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:22:18 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf10.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF108-98a4a68c666388; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:22:00 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MU4mK-0005rB-7P for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:20:36 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MU4mJ-0005r2-Eq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:20:35 +0100 Received: from mailout09.t-online.de ([194.25.134.84]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MU4mE-0002TJ-Uy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:20:33 +0100 Received: from fwd10.aul.t-online.de by mailout09.t-online.de with smtp id 1MU4mC-00039F-01; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 22:20:28 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.22] (Ee7PJoZF8hhzOhm4RhCQum+CLGEprEswJH9YpsUZLIt982bKLc5sV8V0J7wB2rSQVp@[93.196.57.117]) by fwd10.t-online.de with esmtp id 1MU4lz-1dRfeq0; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 22:20:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de References:<1MTixd-0cGXyK0@fwd00.t-online.de> <4A687388.4050801@usa.net> In-Reply-To: To: X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 6.08.0003 Date: 23 Jul 2009 20:20 GMT Message-ID: <1MU4lz-1dRfeq0@fwd10.t-online.de> X-ID: Ee7PJoZF8hhzOhm4RhCQum+CLGEprEswJH9YpsUZLIt982bKLc5sV8V0J7wB2rSQVp X-TOI-MSGID: 7ea62277-8a85-4052-9d81-ce91ca2c4474 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Loop discussion Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear James and Alberto, I must confess that my considerations were much simpler. I wanted to find a solution for an outside wire (normal litz wire for electric home wiring) loop for broadband reception and to transfer its received energy into the shack via a cable. Especially at VLF to MF cable losses are rather low. Furthermore I wanted to locate all electronic equipment in the shack only, no remote controls or similars. My solution is simple and is working according to my expectations. 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "James Moritz" schrieb: > Dear Alberto, LF Group, > > To give a sensible answer, you have to look at the numbers specific to your > antenna and requirements. For example, suppose you want to use a broadband > loop as you have described on 136kHz. I reckon the noise floor under quiet > band conditions is about 1uV/m in 300Hz bandwidth at 136k. The figures I > have to hand are for a 1m x 1m loop element made of 15mm copper water pipe, > so let us use that as a basis. > > The EMF induced in the loop is 2.1e-8 x fNAE, where f is Hz, N is number of > turns, A is m^2, and E is field strength in V/m. The 1uV/m band noise will > therefore produce an EMF of approx 2.9nV in the single-turn loop. Let us > follow Roelof's example and use a 1:30 step-up transformer. The EMF at the > secondary will therefore be 86nV. This is quite small, but we can use a low > noise amplifier - a J310 as used in the high impedance "Mini-whip" design > has an input noise voltage density of about 1.2nV/sqrt Hz, so contributes > 21nV noise in 300Hz BW, about 12dB below the band noise level, so there is > some margin to allow additional noise from other sources. > > The other thing we need to worry about is the thermal noise contributed by > the loss resistance of the loop and transformer. Suppose we want this to be > at least 6dB below the band noise level, i.e. 43nV at the transformer > secondary. The thermal noise EMF of a resistance is sqrt(4kTBR), so the > maximum resistance we can have is Vn^2 / 4kTB, where k is Boltzmann's > constant 1.38E-23, T is absolute temperature (say 300K), B is bandwidth of > 300Hz - R works out to 372ohms. The impedance at the transformer secondary > will be the overall loss resistance of loop and transformer, in series with > the transformed inductive reactance of the loop (assuming that the > transformer winding inductance is high enough to have negligible effect). > The 1m^2 single turn loop has L of about 3.4uH, so with a 1:30 transformer, > the inductance at the secondary will be 900 times this, 3.06mH. This has a > reactance at 136k of 2.6kohms, so the minimum permissible Q of the > loop/transformer combination is 2.6k/372, i.e. about 7. > > This is not very high. My prototype loop was made of 4 x 1m lengths of tube > with 4 x 90 degree elbows, so 8 solder joints, plus various hardware and > bits of wire connecting the resonating capacitors. The unloaded Q at 136k > was about 120 (and it seems the capacitors actually contributed > significantly to the loss), so the loop itself is probably not an issue, or > the addition of a few turns of wire as the transformer primary. I suspect > the transformer would be a greater contributor to the resistance due to > losses in the ferrite core , but provided the inductance of the primary was > several times larger than the loop inductance, it should be quite easy to > achieve an overall Q greater than 7. You also want to make the transformer > inductance high in order to minimise its shunting effect on the loop - this > would further reduce the already low voltage at the transformer secondary. > > The impedance at the transformer secondary is kilohms, so a high input > impedance preamp is needed, whose noise figure is not seriously degraded by > the high source impedance, such as a JFET. A mini-whip-type buffer meets > this requirement, but with unity voltage gain, the output voltage is still > very low, so a sensitive receiver or further gain would be needed. Most > amateur type rigs used for receive on 136k would need 20 - 40dB additional > gain due to their poor sensitivity. An issue with a wideband design like > this is that the transformer would probably resonate somewhere in the 100s > of kilohertz range, which would put a sharp peak in the loop response at > that frequency - if this is in the broadcast band, it would probably be a > good idea to add a damping R-C combination to reduce the chances of strong > overloading broadcast signals. Some selectivity would be desirable in any > case, if the loop was used with a high gain preamp. Of course, if you > resonate the loop at the operating frequency, you can get quite a lot of > voltage gain "for free", but the bandwidth will be much smaller. > > So it looks like this particular design is feasible and the loop > construction not very critical. I have not tried this particular > configuration (my loops need to incorporate some selectivity to be viable, > due to the 10s of volts/metre from the broadcast stations), but I used a > similar approach with the bandpass loops and several other designs, and got > more or less what was expected, so it should work OK. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df11.mx.aol.com (rly-df11.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.24]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDF044-58a4a68d284262; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:14:02 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df11.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF113-58a4a68d284262; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:13:41 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MU5aO-00061J-EK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 22:12:20 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MU5aN-00061A-EP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 22:12:19 +0100 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MU5aK-0003hw-4F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 22:12:17 +0100 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 813B32AC52F for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:12:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps03.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.132] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.53L) with ESMTP id XID625NgwVmg8125X01; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:12:06 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.132 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps03.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID625NgwVmg8125X01 Received: from [127.0.0.1] [151.47.218.242] by cmsapps03.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 515NgwVme8240M39; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:12:05 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.218.242 AUTH dibene@usa.net [127.0.0.1] Message-ID: <4A68D221.1030404@usa.net> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 23:12:01 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1MTixd-0cGXyK0@fwd00.t-online.de> <4A687388.4050801@usa.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090723-0, 07/23/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Z-USANET-MsgId: XID515NgwVmF8240X39 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Loop discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) James Moritz wrote: > > So it looks like this particular design is feasible and the loop > construction not very critical. I have not tried this particular > configuration (my loops need to incorporate some selectivity to be viable, > due to the 10s of volts/metre from the broadcast stations), but I used a > similar approach with the bandpass loops and several other designs, and got > more or less what was expected, so it should work OK. Dear James, many thanks for your considerations and the computations done on the configuration I proposed. They are much useful and appreciated, exactly up to the point, as usual ! I will try to do some experiments during the coming month of August, if the temperature and, more important, the percentage of humidity will allow me to do some work in the garden ! Just now, it is too hot and too damp to do anything...! 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb06.mx.aol.com (rly-mb06.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.164]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMB072-d104a59bdc38a; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 06:41:19 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb06.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB064-d104a59bdc38a; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 06:41:10 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MPwTu-0004ew-RW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:40:30 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MPwTu-0004en-AF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:40:30 +0100 Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com ([205.188.139.137]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPwTr-0002gK-6Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:40:29 +0100 Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a59bd851f8; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 06:40:15 -0400 Received: from F4DTL@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.c9c.48934e7e (65097) for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 06:39:59 -0400 (EDT) From: F4DTL@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 06:39:59 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5029 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: F8BOJ Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_c9c.48934e7e.378b177f_boundary" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --part1_c9c.48934e7e.378b177f_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1247395197" -------------------------------1247395197 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Claude your reception this morning with an old receiver Telefunken ELK639. 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post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MPDCH-0003jm-TH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:19:17 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPDCF-0002lJ-96 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:19:17 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEADqyVkpZ8IqS/2dsb2JhbACEa8tLhAgF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.240.138.146]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 11:19:08 +0100 Message-ID: <001401ca0147$dc500d20$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <8bf118410907100011s696aa712sbd88bd3a023e1c39@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:19:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Like I said when the big BANG comes the Appliance operator and his data gadgets will be rendered useless, whereas a Radio Amateur with his 2 valved RX/TX, a morse key, a piece of wire for antenna and a pedal powered power source will communicate on. We all managed to commumicate and navigate this past 100 years without these gadgets, unfortunately today the majority seem to be totally dependant on computers and associated data devices. These gadgets are handy but make a person LAZY and forgetful about how to write and operate CW as a tool to communicate. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Pick" To: Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 8:11 AM Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Perhaps we should encourage a Loran jamming excercise to prove that it isn't the un-jammable marvel that its cracked up to be? ;-) Dave G3YXM 2009/7/9 Dave G3WCB : > Hmmm... I can only see an electricity substation at that exact > location...the source will probably on Henley's Down or somewhere similar. > > It'll mess-up any GPS-disciplined beacons (LF or Microwave)for a few > hours! > > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Andy Talbot > Sent: 08 July 2009 22:36 > To: ukmicrowaves@yahoogroups.com; uk_beacons@yahoogroups.com; > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Fwd: Fw: Ofcom Update: Date Correction - Forthcoming GPS > jamming exercises > > > The Lat/Long converts to: > Loc. JO00FV41 > NGR TQ723122 > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > --- On Wed, 8/7/09, Updates wrote: > > From: Updates > Subject: Ofcom Update: Date Correction - Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises > To: > Date: Wednesday, 8 July, 2009, 11:14 AM > > The MoD has informed Ofcom of the following GPS jamming exercise: > > Dates: 14th and 15th October 2009. > > Times: Maximum of two hours between the times of 08:00-12:00 and > 13:30–15:30 each day. > > Location: Within 1km of N50° 53.0’ and E000° 27.0’ (Bexhill, East Sussex). > > Contact: Trial Manager (during the trial) on 07776 484226. > > ........................................................................... > > > -- G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.9/2228 - Release Date: 07/09/09 18:07:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (rly-ma06.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.50]) by air-ma08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMA084-8b24a5f04ea380; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 06:46:19 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA064-8b24a5f04ea380; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 06:46:04 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MRORq-00044p-2N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:44:22 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MRORp-00044g-IE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:44:21 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.53]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MRORm-0007GP-83 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:44:20 +0100 X-Trace: 230536733/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.89.175/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.89.175 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AigFABShXkpYalmv/2dsb2JhbACCKSsiATU8HocChQzAXAmEAgU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,410,1243810800"; d="scan'208,217";a="230536733" Received: from 88-106-89-175.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.89.175]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 16 Jul 2009 11:44:16 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF -RSGB LF Group" Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:44:16 +0100 Message-ID: <000001ca0602$5e17a6b0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcoGAl0dGhe1gp8mSva7wzePuvyc2A== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: G4WGT Grabbers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA060A.BFDC0EB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA060A.BFDC0EB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi LF, Sorry, the dongle sound card is giving problems again. The only solution is to replace it. The effected are grab 2 & grab 3 on my multi-grab page & the original grabber3 each derived from the JRC NRD-345. Got to go out now so I will set up a temporary sound card later. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO. I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA060A.BFDC0EB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi LF,

 

Sorry, the dongle= sound card is giving problems again. The only solution is to replace it.<= /font>

 

The effected are gr= ab 2 & grab 3 on my multi-grab page & the original grabber3 each derived from the JRC NRD-345.

 

Got to go out now= so I will set up a temporary sound card later.

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO.

 

 
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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA060A.BFDC0EB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df09.mx.aol.com (rly-df09.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.22]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDF073-5754a64565d3c3; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:35:12 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df09.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF092-5754a64565d3c3; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:34:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MSr7v-0004T6-QM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:33:51 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MSr7v-0004Sx-Ax for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:33:51 +0100 Received: from mail-yx0-f179.google.com ([209.85.210.179]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MSr7f-0005N6-5K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:33:36 +0100 Received: by yxe9 with SMTP id 9so3377387yxe.30 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 04:33:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Kkxhji4ERW2iOpdjDYoXeVE38+2Ho5FsHBF/9jom4uA=; b=ZSEaIkO+BkSdR24aNj06HLiSdHR8yMCF69z9cDxe1WkirZvtFOeE1MxfTI7ozwJuZj TG46umWAcPLtyShoMZ6eUy3eS/twx0yJcDf/yDtyISgxj2065mOfO80NTZD9kDEd1F2O Sj9lexZe7cck5RKon+F7S/z69rPbW29g055pg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=nEM/CXGEc6nBV7Gc9udHqToADbxtnJMCwOOFu4eqTnuWv1Zit8oW3RATsTouSv+oyN z2vrINGp615MKZ+AC4VevEI3y8nucCj3fDUXPcKl49YtRQQVfXsyznMzyoX4eSByvgTq y4n+vF1ePMAtIPP+/1+mwXFLRIOcT8xC5La7w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.47.10 with SMTP id z10mr5147339ybj.66.1248089620042; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 04:33:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <48C78C669EEE4647926DCB6256F0F7B5@ns94d01ae4d850> References: <48C78C669EEE4647926DCB6256F0F7B5@ns94d01ae4d850> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:33:40 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70907200433q4d650276k297081ef7ab92f57@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 20-07.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m270.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Henny, Jean-Pierre, Thank you for the captures! -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2009/7/20 henny van elst : > Hello Warren,LF, > capture XGJ > Henny pa3cpm > best 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > XGJ 20-07.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen > het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. > Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe > bijlagen worden afgehandeld. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da03.mx.aol.com (rly-da03.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.77]) by air-da02.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDA021-a5a4a512eb213a; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 18:52:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA032-a5a4a512eb213a; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 18:52:38 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MNaYT-0007OL-D1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 23:51:29 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MNaYS-0007OC-W6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 23:51:28 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MNaYQ-0000qJ-Kk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 23:51:27 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3526.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 65A2C1C00084 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 00:51:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.69.68]) by mwinf3526.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id DDE471C00083 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 00:51:17 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090705225117909.DDE471C00083@mwinf3526.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <74457576A39B4944BC13231BD9349FDF@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <908B19DF06BE4ECEB3A61470A89BEFA8@Black><20090703100648.865C531E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be><20090703113546.640D731E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be>,<09DF43BF4A974C1D80DF9BC90E77B1E3@AGB> <20090705222604.dts0y3wg5cwo0c0w@webmail6.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20090705222604.dts0y3wg5cwo0c0w@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 23:51:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ok Rik, We closed just past 2300 local time , the noise level was very high , Im not sure if it was band conditions or the qth, a balanced , floating tuner for the loop ae might reduce the level , electrically it is a very noisy location. Thanks for the call G ... -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rik Strobbe" Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 9:26 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: RE: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS > > Graham, > > I called you once. > As it was already rather late (we're one hour ahead of UK), QRN level > was high and we already worked before I didn't insist. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting Graham : > >> Thanks Rik >> >> Did you call us ? >> >> 73 Graham >> >> From: Rik Strobbe >> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:50 PM >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: LF: RE: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS >> >> Good 559 copy at 21:40 UTC >> EI0CF also 559 beaconing at the bottom end >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> ________________________________ >> Van: >> owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Graham >> [g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk] >> Verzonden: zaterdag 4 juli 2009 20:34 >> Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Onderwerp: LF: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS >> >> GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT 4 july ROUND 1930 ONWARDS >> >> Operating on 502.00 khz cw , >> >> RX 502 kx +/- also rx on 3533 / 7033 cw - cross band >> >> Possibly operating till round 2400 hrs >> >> qsl GB4FPR@HOTMAIL.CO.UK >> >> Reports welcome >> >> Tnx- Graham >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.3/2216 - Release Date: >> 07/03/09 05:53:00 >> > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.4/2218 - Release Date: 07/04/09 > 17:55:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md07.mx.aol.com (rly-md07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.145]) by air-md07.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMD072-9174a6072d0348; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:47:20 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD077-9174a6072d0348; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:47:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MRmp6-00026n-T7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:46:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MRmp6-00026e-DV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:46:00 +0100 Received: from mail-yx0-f179.google.com ([209.85.210.179]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MRmot-0007Iy-AL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:45:48 +0100 Received: by yxe9 with SMTP id 9so1317015yxe.30 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 05:45:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=44MKpY01l3wFPRdFPjzXmb/I+jIOlvVasj/ArZXOZaE=; b=MTeAlWNB/0JcVFvuIx2khVlsn0BzpfhGaqIVnT82qFaCTrx4ZFsLha5zV3nAc0ubtx cQor3KvNZtZuZ23mqsqFll1MxCCmRjJenvb0Sn3JLOiD2YP26PoGy2spMPWrxQcY3GPX Kjs/SSaJA9fxsq1MgJxQxaZf8xPgm+O42SvR8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=f3BgZhmbLnKxupxzYGVsHiK/QkbfOeCvZwuRDZ8Q3dvNpgcgqhiBuClCA8KEXiX0rn 1Umck6OilMMXM3Ia2HAqcNWWezHdrhifII9UW6UgBR4WdMx6Pov9lKscr6NVuJsPPfjW MNsbgarX9Frw7IqVQm3TlWQ0wliQ9yz8n/348= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.78.17 with SMTP id f17mr613327ybl.216.1247834747243; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 05:45:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:45:47 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70907170545l2c3afbe7n1a6248d15616ed32@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: xgj 17-07.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d245.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Thanks Henny! -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2009/7/17 henny van elst : > Hi Warren,Lf > traces XGJ > Henny pa3cpm > 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > xgj 17-07.jpg > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (rly-dc07.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.36]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC083-b324a705712af; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 10:05:10 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC076-b324a705712af; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 10:05:08 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MW9kt-0003H4-CW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:03:43 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MW9kq-0003Gv-TU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:03:40 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MW9km-0007g9-85 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:03:38 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEAPvyb0pcGsEA/2dsb2JhbACEcM9FhBEF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([92.26.193.0]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2009 15:03:07 +0100 Message-ID: <003801ca1055$4d80c630$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <57a24ca70907281257n52d8c1aaoe0bef46ee7f69dbc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:03:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: WD2XSH Modification Granted Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 The UK should qualify for two way ie 52nd STATE G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:57 PM Subject: LF: WD2XSH Modification Granted > The FCC today granted the requested modification for the WD2XSH > license, adding stations (there are now 42 vs 23 previously) and > extending the band to 495-510 kHz, still 20W ERP, cw, and PSK/MSK up > to 31 baud. > > However, the FCC declined the request for privileges to make two way > contacts with foreign amateurs. > > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/20 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.34/2268 - Release Date: 07/28/09 06:00:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da06.mx.aol.com (rly-da06.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.80]) by air-da10.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDA101-a724a579ecfef; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:04:39 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da06.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA062-a724a579ecfef; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:04:32 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MPMJz-0005kx-Da for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:03:51 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MPMJy-0005ko-UX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:03:50 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPMJw-0001L0-7o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:03:50 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEAFU7V0pZ8q4G/2dsb2JhbACEa8t0hAgF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.242.174.6]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 21:03:40 +0100 Message-ID: <006401ca0199$85304e40$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <20090710193232.91924B8040@smtp.hushmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:03:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 MSG auto killed no signature g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 8:32 PM Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises > > > On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:19:07 +0000 mal hamilton >>We all managed to commumicate and navigate this past 100 years > > You might have, most of us aren't quite that old.... > > -- > Make a big mistake? 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.9/2228 - Release Date: 07/09/09 18:07:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg09.mx.aol.com (rly-mg09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.115]) by air-mg05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMG051-a344a64a842199; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:24:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg09.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG096-a344a64a842199; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:24:21 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MSwZo-0005BH-HX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:23:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MSwZo-0005B8-3b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:23:00 +0100 Received: from smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.29]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MSwZY-0007Ip-5s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:22:44 +0100 Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl (dovemail2.xs4all.nl [194.109.26.4]) by smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n6KHMpEO047851 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:22:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Received: from 82.161.81.65 (SquirrelMail authenticated user pa0rdt) by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:22:56 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <12821.82.161.81.65.1248110576.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:22:56 +0200 (CEST) From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: IC7200 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello all, I am looking for information on the LF receiver performance of the new ICOM IC7200 transceiver. There seems to be a review in the June issue of QST. I don't have direct access to QST. Is there someone who has access to QST and can tell me if anything has been said about receiver sensitivity below 500 kHz? Even better is there someone on this list with first hands experience? Thank you in advance. Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df06.mx.aol.com (rly-df06.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.19]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDF073-5584a6ceb4123a; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:48:31 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df06.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF063-5584a6ceb4123a; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:48:20 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MVDR3-0006NB-Tg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 00:47:21 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MVDR3-0006N2-14 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 00:47:21 +0100 Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.146]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MVDQt-0005RI-Hz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 00:47:18 +0100 Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n6QNktEl004931 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:46:55 -0400 Received: from F4DTL@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.cf4.56cc77a6 (39330) for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:46:48 -0400 (EDT) From: F4DTL@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:46:47 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5029 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: EI0CF BEACON Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_cf4.56cc77a6.379e44e7_boundary" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --part1_cf4.56cc77a6.379e44e7_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1248652006" -------------------------------1248652006 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, EI0CF beacon is audible here. F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP RX : Icom IC7400 Ant: Wellbrook LFL 1010 _http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/_ (http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/) -------------------------------1248652006 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all, EI0CF beacon is audible here.
 
F4DTL=20 Nicolas JN18FP

RX : Icom IC7400
Ant: Wellbrook LFL 1010

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bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 08:49:35 -0230 Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 08:49:43 -0230 (NDT) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <26379AECBF2643A4A7DF7102246EF677@JimPC> Message-ID: References: <26379AECBF2643A4A7DF7102246EF677@JimPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: 184.5093 kHz Beacon Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear Group, The beacon will resume operation this evening at 0001 UTC 01 Aug 2009, QRSS75 10 watts, 0.4 amps to 100m wire at 10m. Reports most welcomed. 73 Joe VO1NA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me03.mx.aol.com (rly-me03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.36]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINME042-9ab4a6586b0321; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 05:13:32 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME037-9ab4a6586b0321; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 05:13:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTBO5-0006r2-2s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:11:53 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTBO4-0006qt-5v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:11:52 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.53]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTBO0-0001Pi-2b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:11:50 +0100 X-Trace: 233008488/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.72.80/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.72.80 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArMEAHsjZUpYakhQ/2dsb2JhbACCKSsjNVqHAoUev38JhAMF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,239,1246834800"; d="scan'208,217";a="233008488" Received: from 88-106-72-80.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.72.80]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 21 Jul 2009 10:11:47 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <000001ca0922$9cf3c580$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:11:47 +0100 Message-ID: <004501ca09e3$46674680$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcoJhmlGjM5KMnOoSrmVNf6fV8qkJQAXKePA X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: RE: 504khz harmonic. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01CA09EB.A82BAE80" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01CA09EB.A82BAE80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave, LF, Thanks for your comments & capture, I have mailed you direct also with some screen shots. Cheers, Gary - G4WGT. _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB Sent: 20 July 2009 23:05 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: 504khz harmonic. Hi, Gary. It's not your Mini-Whip. I get the same effect on my "Tee" transmitting antenna. Argo screenshot attached. 73m Dave G3WCB IO91rM nr Windsor, S.E. England. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT Sent: 20 July 2009 11:13 To: LF -RSGB LF Group Subject: LF: 504khz harmonic. Hi All, Occasionally recently I have been seeing strange patterns around the harmonic line received on my SpecLab grabbers on 504kHz from the broadcast station at 252kHz. The patterns are not just seen using the Softrock SDR Rx but also with my JRC NRD-345, the only common device is the Mini-Whip active antenna. I seem to remember some while ago comments on this LF Forum regarding that station carrying out some experiments or tests involving digital data or something similar. I wonder if this is an effect of those tests as there were concerns that it may cause interference on the 500kHz amateur band. Capture attached. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO. I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01CA09EB.A82BAE80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_0046_01CA09EB.A82BAE80-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb11.mx.aol.com (rly-mb11.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.169]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMB071-d3a4a5724fcef; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:24:55 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb11.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB116-d3a4a5724fcef; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:24:47 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MPECy-00046r-AT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:24:04 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MPECx-00046i-UZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:24:03 +0100 Received: from mailex.atlas.pipex.net ([194.154.164.64]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPECv-0003Ir-7F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:24:03 +0100 Received: from [62.249.237.217] (helo=daddave) by mail6.atlas.pipex.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPECu-0007Sl-Bn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:24:00 +0100 From: "Michael Probert GW4HXO" To: Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:23:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcoBSTBqBBMRh2HHRZGj9vm/syT68wAB12Ig In-Reply-To: <001401ca0147$dc500d20$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Message-Id: Subject: RE: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Apologies, I should have addressed my previous posting to the group. Mike GW4HXO. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (rly-dc09.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.38]) by air-dc10.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC103-b3d4a6556df1f; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 01:49:42 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC091-b3d4a6556df1f; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 01:49:21 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MT8Cn-0006TN-FB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:48:01 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MT8Cm-0006TE-M6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:48:00 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s29.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.40]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MT8Ci-0000Oz-BZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:47:58 +0100 Received: from BLU146-W26 ([65.55.116.8]) by blu0-omc1-s29.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:47:50 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [138.32.244.2] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:47:50 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2009 05:47:50.0911 (UTC) FILETIME=[C8B748F0:01CA09C6] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_83d51116-e2fe-4776-b0d8-74e0d716ffe3_" Subject: RE: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_83d51116-e2fe-4776-b0d8-74e0d716ffe3_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jeff - The "turns" of the mains WD2XDW loop were just distanced parallel= loops running in roughly the same plane to reduce the RF copper losses an= d open up the bandwidth a bit - . I did try a couple of "turns" but never= managed to get the ommppff field. Interesting given the fact that some pe= ople use 2 turns on their K9AY's successfully - =20 =20 All the loops ends up welded together on lugs and attached to the tuner.= Ive just overhauled the tuner ready to put on line for WE2XPQ but it wil= l be running lower power for a while as I dont want to start a forest fire= in Alaska! =20 Back home in KL7 on August 14th again...just need time... =20 laurence BY3A-KL1X Tanggu China 34degC We2XPQ/ x Wd2XDW Wasilla AK =20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? Hello Markus and Rick! =20 I have only just acquainted myself with your messages. (Just going out from hospital, big blood pressure problem...) Thanks a lot for precious information, of what make fun still! I recovered some ferrites N87 types which should work in 137 KHZ. Another subject interests me, it is the possibility of transmitting with= a big spool of several turns (a bit as WD2XDW). But EIRP is much weaker= than with a vertical aerial, then it is necessary to "push more" in powe= r! =20 Thanks in advance! 73: Jeff / F6CWN=20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99 SkyDrive=99: Store, access, and share your photos. See how= . http://windowslive.com/Online/SkyDrive?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_CS_SD_photos_07= 2009=3D --_83d51116-e2fe-4776-b0d8-74e0d716ffe3_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jeff - The "turns" of the mains WD2XDW loop were just distanced paral= lel loops running in roughly the same plane to reduce the RF copper losses= and open up the bandwidth a bit - . I did try a couple of "turns" bu= t never managed to get the ommppff field. Interesting given the fact that= some people use 2 turns on their K9AY's successfully -  
 
All the loops ends up welded together  on lugs and attached to the tu= ner.  Ive just overhauled the tuner ready to put on line for WE2XPQ= but it will be running lower power for a while as I dont want to start a= forest fire in Alaska!
 
Back home in KL7 on August 14th again...just need time...
 
laurence
BY3A-KL1X Tanggu China 34degC
We2XPQ/ x Wd2XDW Wasilla AK
 

 Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT in= 136 KHz TX?


Hello Markus and Rick!
 
I have only just acquainted myself with= your messages.
(Just going out from hospital, big blood pressure probl= em...)
Thanks a lot for precious information, of= what make fun still!
I recovered some ferrites N87 types which= should work in 137 KHZ.
Another subject interests me, it is the= possibility of transmitting with a big spool of several turns (a bit as= WD2XDW). But EIRP is much weaker than with a vertical aerial, then= it is necessary to "push more"  in power!
 
Thanks in advance!
73: Jeff / F6CWN

 

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See how. =3D --_83d51116-e2fe-4776-b0d8-74e0d716ffe3_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de11.mx.aol.com (rly-de11.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.147]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDE023-5164a72aeb976; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 04:43:57 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de11.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE117-5164a72aeb976; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 04:43:38 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MWngi-0008Dn-IK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 09:42:04 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MWngi-0008De-42 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 09:42:04 +0100 Received: from smtp802.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.62]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MWngd-000281-CN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 09:42:01 +0100 Received: (qmail 8768 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2009 08:41:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=rPlkuhk2Lt8IVfEvSj+UbXunafv8AMhetBdyiHKewwy6vixm212hknTntG4NGtquw2vhByEZXQar1dkFWp4IaIZ29tGe5vbAiXasemg2zfPXljzaFlpkM2Jjgbgx/l3pkNFMoHEMHa5lnMuFBhrqWGllZvBAPhTqFUuNzNVAVvg= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.184.111 with login) by smtp802.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2009 08:41:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: n4cAl5QVM1kcb_u.ee_k8VXDPH6rIzMWRkeOhm7tjQwWUlBkdZ8ALXKrUbKpzhcu5qcE.14zB2cbVTJdDC.r8UQty9BGcgnzXyLVI9yzd7kJvlmHkucRBf6lOLyY389E05Ym8uR_16C1kt.dtl6KRG0.IOA0zSJ6svGgcgzft9KBzGEmFRLIBhGyD6JZfe31hATgEufTyK1oSJuGz6IGBGDl_Pfs.8gNYejgO88OSuGQBCW67VOjS8gEfEUGe.dAjxfSF.O72zU4Izl.bUOk6LshF9KIywjqe8dgOOy98S3ZDrCXW6VZRj0k76DY2kBECIqXj29gb8BG6Yg- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <26379AECBF2643A4A7DF7102246EF677@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 09:41:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Reguest of technical info Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-2"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Lubos, LF Group, I don't know where you can get a LFR1000 manual, however Chase were bought by Schaffner about 10 years ago, and Schaffner's test equipment division has now been spun off as Teseq (http://www.teseq.co.uk), so you could try contacting them. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lubos OK2BVG" To: Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 6:15 AM Subject: LF: Reguest of technical info Hello LF! I have got "VLF interference measuring receiver LFR1000", produced by CHASE ELECTRICS LIMITED. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (rly-dc07.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.36]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC021-b304a5044803cc; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 02:13:30 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC074-b304a5044803cc; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 02:13:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MNKxj-0004QM-Nb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 07:12:31 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MNKxj-0004QD-D6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 07:12:31 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MNKxh-00015n-G5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 07:12:30 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B013B4C8081 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 08:12:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A02B44C80C8 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 08:12:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A504449.4030207@online.fr> Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 08:12:25 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <908B19DF06BE4ECEB3A61470A89BEFA8@Black> In-Reply-To: <908B19DF06BE4ECEB3A61470A89BEFA8@Black> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Last night , U4WPF beacon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello LF , Nothing here , many QRN ! 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj > Subject: DW: beacon UA4WPF > beacon (W _--)DFCW240 137.7795 17:00 to 01:00 UTC 04/07/2009 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md09.mx.aol.com (rly-md09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.147]) by air-md08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMD084-9254a4f4f08307; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 08:46:14 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md09.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD095-9254a4f4f08307; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 08:46:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MN4cL-0001CP-EA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:45:21 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MN4cL-0001CG-0o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:45:21 +0100 Received: from c2beaomr02.btconnect.com ([213.123.26.180]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MN4cJ-0004DN-Nh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:45:20 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-130-173-43.range86-130.btcentralplus.com [86.130.173.43]) by c2beaomr02.btconnect.com with ESMTP id CCB25139; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:45:13 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A4F4EDB.8040006@btconnect.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:45:15 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001401c9fc9c$938f2760$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr02.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0204.4A4F4EDA.0018,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2009-06-05 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Mc Coy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Mark wrote: > 30 sec search on the internet > http://www.datasheetarchive.com/pdf-datasheets/Datasheets-110/DSAP004237.pdf Quote "The INTERNET creates more problems than it solves. G3KEV" June 2009 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (rly-dc08.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.37]) by air-dc03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC032-b384a5e4afa1c3; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:33:03 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC084-b384a5e4afa1c3; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:32:43 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MRC4r-0000zK-7M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:31:49 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MRC4q-0000zB-MX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:31:48 +0100 Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com ([64.136.55.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MRC4e-00084V-Pc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:31:37 +0100 X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m03.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABFF6UWPAH9RFRA for (sender ); Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:30:53 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: yokUgcxCbtTP7XLrpefewNBQFsbdNq/Hbok5z74AkNmQx2tYBitC6A== Received: (from riese-k3djc@juno.com) by m03.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PMJT9FW2; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:30:41 PDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:28:38 -0400 Message-ID: <20090715.172949.3828.1.riese-k3djc@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.49 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-22,24-113 From: riese-k3djc@juno.com X-ContentStamp: 43:21:3708591853 X-MAIL-INFO:198e5f472fa7033b9aba3e833b43a3a79f87772a5a2a9fcfd3ea375ef7ca4e2befd32ada27abeec38adbdade931fdf4fca5bea4aea4fcb0b02b71ec7d7aa2a736e571e8b4f279eeaaefee7471bab0ffe27577f031bb3fe2b13bf1f6f5a0b177f2f43fa371f4eea433f3e4b87fb07b7e3ba X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|riese-k3djc@juno.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:59:44 +0100 "Alan Melia" writes: > Hi Ken yes I appreciate the usage. I was a little concerned that if > the > transformer was not designed for that kind of use it might not > necessarily > have sufficent insulation from that end of the winding to ground to > survive > the different stresses of of bridge rectifier. However Bob says he > has been > using one like that for years so I guess they must have been > conservatively > designed. I have had problems with transformers parallel primaries > and > series secondaries ( a common way of getting high voltages for > valves ....in > my youth :-)) ) breaking down under the voltage stress. I have > several > transformers I salvaged from MOs and I now feel a lot happier about > their I was able to mount a porcelain stand off at the same hole the ground lug was mounted to ,, I think I then added a gob of clear silicon from the local hardware store,,, was surprised that it held up,, but it did Bob K3DJC > use in HV PSUs. In the 50s.60s I was brought up with thick > insulation and > porcelain standoffs :-)) > > An interesting thread. > Best Wishes > Alan G3NYK > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 7:04 PM > Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers > > > > Hi Alan. > > The earthy end of the HV winding should be lifted from earth, and > a > fullwave > > bridge used . > > > > Ken > > 73 de M0KHW > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alan Melia" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:57 PM > > Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers > > > > > > > Hi all, I am very please to see not everyone sticks to a 12 volt > maximum > > > supply voltage > > > :-)) > > > > > > One though that occurs to me is that if one side of the MO > transformer > is > > > grounded in oven service........one ought to check that the > winding as a > > > whole is sufficiently well insulated from ground to stand > floating 2kV > > > above > > > ground. There may not be the same clearance /insulation on the > grounded > > > end > > > of the secondary as the intended high-voltage end?? On the other > hand it > > > might be quite OK. I have a certain cynicism about "consumer > designs". > > > > > > Alan G3NYK > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:34 PM > > > Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers > > > > > > > > > These special transformers need the magnetic bypass because a > magnetron > > > looks (as a load) like a Z diode. > > > So they are powered, more or less, with a constant current > source rather > > > than a constant voltage source. > > > > > > In other words, the "generator" (transformer) must have a large > source > > > impedance, and that's what the magnetic bypass in the 'former > does. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Wolf . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ Santa Rosa Bail Bonds Call Our Bail Bond Agency Today for Bail-Outs and Large Bail Bonds! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=LA9RGr2trsmsOtrwK2lJrAAAJ1D5rfaR-77IPsUFbn2LcZ2XAAUAAAAAAAAAAL4wmT0Oy05EUEm5af6OyBlyXr5OAAAAAA== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb09.mx.aol.com (rly-mb09.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.167]) by air-mb06.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMB061-d294a64435823; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:13:55 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb09.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB095-d294a64435823; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:13:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MSprS-0003xp-0K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:12:46 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MSprR-0003xg-8D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:12:45 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.53]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MSprM-0000Eg-R6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:12:43 +0100 X-Trace: 232473456/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.72.80/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.72.80 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjgFAAvgY0pYakhQ/2dsb2JhbACCKCsiATU8HocChR6GQrVxCYQDBQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,233,1246834800"; d="jpg'145?scan'145,208,217,145";a="232473456" Received: from 88-106-72-80.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.72.80]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 20 Jul 2009 11:12:39 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF -RSGB LF Group" Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:12:39 +0100 Message-ID: <000001ca0922$9cf3c580$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcoJIptn4uIFJgnjTn2znxXe2nIgcg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 504khz harmonic. Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA092A.FEB82D80" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA092A.FEB82D80 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0002_01CA092A.FEB82D80" ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01CA092A.FEB82D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, Occasionally recently I have been seeing strange patterns around the harmonic line received on my SpecLab grabbers on 504kHz from the broadcast station at 252kHz. The patterns are not just seen using the Softrock SDR Rx but also with my JRC NRD-345, the only common device is the Mini-Whip active antenna. I seem to remember some while ago comments on this LF Forum regarding that station carrying out some experiments or tests involving digital data or something similar. I wonder if this is an effect of those tests as there were concerns that it may cause interference on the 500kHz amateur band. Capture attached. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO. I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01CA092A.FEB82D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Occasionally recent= ly I have been seeing strange patterns around the harmonic line received on my SpecLab grabbers on= 504kHz from the broadcast station at 252kHz.

 

The patterns are no= t just seen using the Softrock SDR Rx but also with my JRC NRD-345, the only common device= is the Mini-Whip active antenna.

 

I seem to remember= some while ago comments on this LF Forum regarding that station carrying out some experiments= or tests involving digital data or something similar.<= /b>

 

I wonder if this is= an effect of those tests as there were concerns that it may cause interference on the 500= kHz amateur band.

 

Capture attached.

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO.

 

 
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[172.19.129.79]) by air-da02.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDA021-a6f4a505567334; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 03:25:40 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da05.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA057-a6f4a505567334; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 03:25:30 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MNM5O-0004Zp-AX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 08:24:30 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MNM5N-0004Zg-T4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 08:24:29 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s27.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.38]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MNM5L-0005FS-MP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 08:24:29 +0100 Received: from BLU146-W19 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s27.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 5 Jul 2009 00:24:22 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [119.73.250.227] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 23:24:21 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4A504449.4030207@online.fr> References: <908B19DF06BE4ECEB3A61470A89BEFA8@Black> <4A504449.4030207@online.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2009 07:24:22.0103 (UTC) FILETIME=[9DED0E70:01C9FD41] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_f58a8a38-0f92-4187-8248-089288521c5b_" Subject: RE: LF: Last night , U4WPF beacon X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_f58a8a38-0f92-4187-8248-089288521c5b_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Same here - nothing seen but qrn was peaking -50dBm and worse. =20 Laurence 9V1 LF Singapore =20 > Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 08:12:25 +0200 > From: jpm.f1afj@online.fr > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Last night , U4WPF beacon >=20 > Hello LF , >=20 > Nothing here , many QRN ! >=20 > 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj >=20 > > Subject: DW: beacon UA4WPF > > beacon (W _--)DFCW240 137.7795 17:00 to 01:00 UTC 04/07/2009 >=20 >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99 SkyDrive=99: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_SD_25GB_062009= =3D --_f58a8a38-0f92-4187-8248-089288521c5b_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Same here - nothing seen but qrn was peaking -50dBm and worse.
 
Laurence 9V1 LF Singapore
 
> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 08:= 12:25 +0200
> From: jpm.f1afj@online.fr
> To: rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org
> Subject: LF: Last night , U4WPF beacon
>
&g= t; Hello LF ,
>
> Nothing here , many QRN !
>
>= 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj
>
> > Subject: DW: beacon UA4WPF
= > > beacon (W _--)DFCW240 137.7795 17:00 to 01:00 UTC 04/07/2009
= >
>

Windows Live=99 SkyDrive=99: Get 25 GB of fr= ee online storage. Get it on your BlackBerry= or iPhone. =3D --_f58a8a38-0f92-4187-8248-089288521c5b_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me03.mx.aol.com (rly-me03.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.36]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINME012-9a84a57398b381; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:52:39 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME034-9a84a57398b381; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:52:28 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MPFZc-0004fM-31 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:51:32 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MPFZb-0004fD-JO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:51:31 +0100 Received: from mail-bw0-f218.google.com ([209.85.218.218]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPFZU-0004KT-GW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:51:25 +0100 Received: by bwz18 with SMTP id 18so887322bwz.4 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:51:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=aX4NMALUpfCEPGT2Pyxj6dAh/Vvma0pM0nvF7dBxnII=; b=eZODuHUjnTcscDAwenAo9KVrOIJwO5UFfXbU8yRUxdfatM+oDB0mF2HpnvztiAomr/ l7ZJfhgxKLpTMT1VbNkNSr7doBoA71k1gtjcj8YSRqr+53RDZBZPiAdnoGrvyzlDMrww cpYc9AdAZqI4SLqAg5Wva61StVmkLwwTDvg6U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ZYUbVB2WXeVml3RHGkQ2m/p0JfxCMyBi0QGeTsxoW5sJMqihLBwsXbrlRBYn2Ggloj T4KEM9xSQSQBizXwKPdJPJTtPXyWwzmBLqveUdYiR6EDPhTNdR7Cmn9X5JsrmEk+StB7 mWNanI0SP5ePKNOEg6Sfi+rmzsuWYbN7YkzsU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.152.193 with SMTP id w1mr181890hbb.41.1247230283592; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:51:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <001401ca0147$dc500d20$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:51:23 +0100 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d228.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Ask yourself why it may be advantageous to jam GPS is a war scenario, and just how GPS is likely to be used by both sides. Then consider how it may be done in a sensible manner, how to avoid excessive fratricide and why excercises such as these may have to be performed. Ask yourself why Selective Availability was removed some years ago. May like to also wonder if the substation located at exactly that specified location could have anything to do with the exercise. Andy G4JNT www.g4jnt.com 2009/7/10 Michael Probert GW4HXO : > Hello Finbar, > > =A0Maybe Mal has a point? =A0Seems a bit odd that the MOD are going to= jam an > important service for a couple of hours. =A0Can you imagine it they jamm= ed TV > for a day or two, would be nice! > > Best regards > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton > Sent: 10 July 2009 11:19 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises > > Like I said when the big BANG comes the Appliance operator and his data > gadgets will be rendered useless, whereas a Radio Amateur with his 2 val= ved > RX/TX, a morse key, a piece of wire for antenna and a pedal powered powe= r > source will communicate on. > We all managed to commumicate and navigate this past 100 years without= these > > gadgets, unfortunately today the majority seem to be totally dependant= on > computers and associated data devices. These gadgets are handy but make= a > person LAZY and forgetful about how to write and operate CW as a tool to > communicate. > G3KEV > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Pick" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 8:11 AM > Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises > > > Perhaps we should encourage a Loran jamming excercise to prove that it > isn't the un-jammable marvel that its cracked up to be? > > ;-) > > Dave G3YXM > > 2009/7/9 Dave G3WCB : >> Hmmm... I can only see an electricity substation at that exact >> location...the source will probably on Henley's Down or somewhere simil= ar. >> >> It'll mess-up any GPS-disciplined beacons (LF or Microwave)for a few >> hours! >> >> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Andy Talbot >> Sent: 08 July 2009 22:36 >> To: ukmicrowaves@yahoogroups.com; uk_beacons@yahoogroups.com; >> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: LF: Fwd: Fw: Ofcom Update: Date Correction - Forthcoming GPS >> jamming exercises >> >> >> The Lat/Long converts to: >> Loc. JO00FV41 >> NGR TQ723122 >> >> Andy >> www.g4jnt.com >> >> --- On Wed, 8/7/09, Updates wrote: >> >> From: Updates >> Subject: Ofcom Update: Date Correction - Forthcoming GPS jamming exerci= ses >> To: >> Date: Wednesday, 8 July, 2009, 11:14 AM >> >> The MoD has informed Ofcom of the following GPS jamming exercise: >> >> Dates: 14th and 15th October 2009. >> >> Times: Maximum of two hours between the times of 08:00-12:00 and >> 13:30=9615:30 each day. >> >> Location: Within 1km of N50=B0 53.0=92 and E000=B0 27.0=92 (Bexhill, Ea= st Sussex). >> >> Contact: Trial Manager (during the trial) on 07776 484226. >> >> > ........................................................................= ... >> >> >> > > > > -- > G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- > ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.9/2228 - Release Date: 07/09/0= 9 > 18:07:00 > > > > __________ NOD32 4231 (20090710) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da10.mx.aol.com (rly-da10.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.84]) by air-da08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDA081-a934a50c8813e1; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 11:36:46 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da10.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA103-a934a50c8813e1; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 11:36:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MNTkJ-0005uW-4T for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:35:15 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MNTkG-0005uN-A5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:35:12 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MNTkD-0007vh-TQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:35:12 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlMFAANlUEpZ8FXy/2dsb2JhbACCJy2CFId9Brx6hBIF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.240.85.242]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 05 Jul 2009 16:35:04 +0100 Message-ID: <006b01c9fd86$2acc8020$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <001401c9fc9c$938f2760$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 16:35:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Mc Coy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0068_01C9FD8E.8C3FBAE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C9FD8E.8C3FBAE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark Osc fired up and working fb. I was looking for more detailed info abou= t ctl voltages ie V versus Freq. This unit is marked 10Mhz when suppli= ed with 5V ctl voltage, and this is spot on with 6v TTL output. 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 1:37 PM Subject: LF: Re: Mc Coy 30 sec search on the internet http://www.datasheetarchive.com/pdf-datasheets/Datasheets-110/DSAP00= 4237.pdf Mark ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 12:42 PM Subject: LF: Mc Coy Hi all Does anyone have data for Mc Coy electronics XTAL OSCILLATOR MC137= X7-001W 10.000 MHz SN72758-126 This is a module and requires +5v, +15v sealed unit but has an adj= uster and I expect the osc can be shifted slightly, but enough to be= useful for 500 Khz divided down. 73 mal/g3kev ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.3/2217 - Release Date:= 07/03/09 18:11:00 ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.3/2217 - Release Date: 07/= 03/09 18:11:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C9FD8E.8C3FBAE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mark
Osc fired up and working fb. I was lo= oking for more=20 detailed info about ctl voltages ie V versus Freq. This unit is= marked=20 10Mhz when supplied with 5V ctl voltage, and this is spot on with 6v= TTL=20 output.
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mark
Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009= 1:37=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Mc Coy

30 sec search on the internet
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Saturday, July 04, 20= 09 12:42=20 PM
Subject: LF: Mc Coy

Hi all
Does anyone have data for Mc Coy= electronics=20 XTAL OSCILLATOR MC137X7-001W 10.000 MHz
SN72758-126
This is a module and requires +5v= , +15v sealed=20 unit but has an adjuster and I expect the osc can be shifted sligh= tly, but=20 enough to be useful for 500 Khz divided down.
73 mal/g3kev
 


No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by= AVG -=20 www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.3/2217= - Release=20 Date: 07/03/09 18:11:00


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------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C9FD8E.8C3FBAE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da08.mx.aol.com (rly-da08.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.82]) by air-da08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDA082-a834a6c7ac6b0; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 11:48:42 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA083-a834a6c7ac6b0; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 11:48:23 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MV5wY-000531-0s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:47:22 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MV5wV-00052s-K0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:47:19 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-2.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.243] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MV5wR-0002Dt-9q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:47:17 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: As8EAMsXbEpcGxNp/2dsb2JhbACCJyyCG4UGgyYGvxaEDQU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([92.27.19.105]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2009 16:46:56 +0100 Message-ID: <004e01ca0e08$4e2b7ac0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:46:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: BEACON Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004B_01CA0E10.AF7645F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01CA0E10.AF7645F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EI0CF QTH EJM in beacon mode. Am I the only one receiving this beacon. What about the grabbers? de g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01CA0E10.AF7645F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dave, LF,

 

Thanks for your comments & capture, I have mailed you direct also with so= me screen shots.

 

Cheers,

 

Gary – G4WGT.

 

From:= owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] On Behalf Of D= ave G3WCB
Sent: 20 July 2009 23:0= 5
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: LF: RE: 504khz= harmonic.

 

Hi, Gary.

 

It's not your= Mini-Whip. I get the same effect on my "Tee" transmitting antenna. Argo screenshot att= ached.

 

73m Dave G3WCB= IO91rM nr Windsor, S.E. England.

-----Or= iginal Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org]On Behalf Of Ga= ry - G4WGT
Sent: 20 July 2009 11:1= 3
To: LF -RSGB LF Group
Subject: LF: 504khz har= monic.

Hi All,<= /span>

 

Occasionally recent= ly I have been seeing strange patterns around the harmonic line received on my SpecLab grabb= ers on 504kHz from the broadcast station at 252kHz.<= /b>

 

The patterns are no= t just seen using the Softrock SDR Rx but also with my JRC NRD-345, the only common device= is the Mini-Whip active antenna.

 

I seem to remember= some while ago comments on this LF Forum regarding that station carrying out some experiments= or tests involving digital data or something similar.<= /b>

 

I wonder if this is= an effect of those tests as there were concerns that it may cause interference on the 500= kHz amateur band.

 

Capture attached.

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO.

 

 

I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox= clean.

It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter

EI0CF QTH EJM in beacon mode.<= /DIV>
Am I the only one receiving this beac= on. What about=20 the grabbers?
de g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_004B_01CA0E10.AF7645F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df12.mx.aol.com (rly-df12.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.25]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDF012-5964a662777226; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:39:40 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df12.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF125-5964a662777226; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:39:20 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTM5r-0000dH-GK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:37:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTM5r-0000d8-4a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:37:47 +0100 Received: from mail-bw0-f212.google.com ([209.85.218.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTM5a-0001Wd-Ax for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:37:30 +0100 Received: by bwz8 with SMTP id 8so3259493bwz.4 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:37:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=RQf/fvj7waENsEq9KKGvAxb/gR+28Gvu5zOnVIGtI9E=; b=lY7KyzMt2qBwCG2TfKk0FzmBUuy1sys8aqJAJIz7AxGjCBRODtm3C93DNzkCqUbjsT h0r27fMWgMyZ4/5K3q6nO0zCl2pq2Q9T+AUPkITuVHlfvCx8FYsCKVaEtD+aHu2REsau WlHJEoi4uwXlF4DOSjaFXpx/8u1TUf7wTjDxs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=QdhHia3S2MpwyAS1FDt57Yxmr1KcXn2Q4O6/Ns3qnVFhXm14NI393mNI/8h9RyTY+Q FobiiyxHXE7zEJ4cGsnX4NpWsdkpQW4mf9PKYQDcS0rylk35Ec1l0yVWiCIfIwHT7vq8 coJ+fUNLz+vr5h2I1HpkYt4uA7MBw7D7amIWY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.126.69 with SMTP id b5mr44115fas.54.1248208657941; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:37:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70907211108s7ae57f96ncda6b9d6b2567e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <57a24ca70907211108s7ae57f96ncda6b9d6b2567e5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:37:37 +0100 Message-ID: <8bf118410907211337ve1d9331s40c9e3a278408920@mail.gmail.com> From: Dave Pick To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: August Radcom Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5a82fa986a4046f3d39cb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d261.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --001636c5a82fa986a4046f3d39cb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fame at last! Dave. 2009/7/21 Warren Ziegler > Thanks to Dave G3YXM for printing the WD2XGJ station picture on p. 33 > of the August Radcom. > > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > > -- G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK --001636c5a82fa986a4046f3d39cb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fame at last!

Dave.

2009/7/21 War= ren Ziegler <wd2x= gj@gmail.com>
Thanks to Dave G3YXM for printing the WD2XGJ station picture on p. 33
of the August Radcom.

73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ




--
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--001636c5a82fa986a4046f3d39cb-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg06.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMG063-a254a6888682b0; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:57:32 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG077-a254a6888682b0; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:57:30 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MU0eV-0004xu-PM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:56:15 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MU0eV-0004xl-DH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:56:15 +0100 Received: from mail-gx0-f221.google.com ([209.85.217.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MU0eC-0002Qm-Ud for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:55:57 +0100 Received: by gxk21 with SMTP id 21so1700023gxk.4 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 08:56:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=qfZLfklljGOwg/tHj5BxYkkRtXdFJkI7LcMljoGgu8E=; b=xulhpLn+7lzwIurkpQraZSKG4lSMWaPS394zd5e8h4LR0oFlDLNl2BCeFU9wZy4m4s vD+fa3/JyGls7GGnc6FotDvx/Yph3M1QO2mR/r6bFQTg8sTQO0uaLsoFuJCT2cZTIHl3 J8OUGv9u7BuFqrr3b7c7Olz0K2uFDGDluEAmc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=sNEZRu+jEDAdb/aDISTq3JS6qtg6tW4GwG5uC2bVUQbXprwVtwUE5Ge+pasnsnLzmg nSe08VWZA7kDlmSVrmrnyDTeGey4Xj3uTJU6JY0a/XglhVNpC9B+n2lzNjeT7mDrgPdD UJJSlbcwWTnVIozULEtleJesEiXX6bYRXGBDI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.52.10 with SMTP id z10mr3465358ybz.216.1248364564769; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 08:56:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A681267.9010602@online.fr> References: <000001ca0922$9cf3c580$6401a8c0@asus> <006501ca0926$8f4743e0$0900a8c0@AM> <4A681267.9010602@online.fr> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:56:04 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70907230856t4877342erfb2c84bc4891fee7@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: [137kHz] T/A WD2XGJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m232.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Jean-Pierre, Thanks for the report. I ran full power for one 'XGJ' string, just bad conditions. --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 3:33 AM, "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 (F1AFJ)" wrote: > Hi Warren , LF , > > Just a small trace last night ! > Or the propagation are very bad ? > Or Warren forgot to bring PA ! > Or perhaps spots of the sun of these last days > > 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (rly-mg02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.108]) by air-mg09.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMG094-9fb4a510536385; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:55:57 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG025-9fb4a510536385; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:55:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MNXnd-0006YW-LD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:54:57 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MNXnc-0006YM-UK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:54:56 +0100 Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.213.7]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MNXna-0006JY-BO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:54:55 +0100 Received: from [172.23.170.142] (helo=anti-virus02-09) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1MNXna-0003iy-9s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:54:54 +0100 Received: from [92.235.33.173] (helo=p4) by asmtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1MNXnZ-00084e-J8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:54:53 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Mark" To: References: <001401c9fc9c$938f2760$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <006b01c9fd86$2acc8020$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 20:54:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Mc Coy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0053_01C9FDB2.D8553A80" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C9FDB2.D8553A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal, no problem, the info is indeed a bit limited about the Hz/V for the ad= justment. The data sheet seems to suggest that the control voltage is capable of= modulating the oscillator, which implies a fast slew rate. This is no= t particularly good if you intend to just use the oscillator as a fixe= d frequency source. It means you must filter the control voltage bette= r.=20 Of course using the source at low frequencies, none of the issues of= this type of source will manifest themselves significantly, but it is= probable that the performance of a microwave local oscillator locked= to one of these may be a bit noisy. To better understand the unit's characteristics, measure the frequency= at extremes of the control voltage range. That is about all the infor= mation that is missing. most oscillators of this type have a fairly limited tuning range, so= you may find pulling the unit to your desired frequency on 500KHz is= not possible. To reach 505 KHz the oscillator must pull to 10.1MHz,= which is a large excursion for oscillators of this type 10 Hz in 10= MHz is 1ppm. 100KHz in 10 MHz is 10,000 PPM=20 Regards mark ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 4:35 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Mc Coy Mark Osc fired up and working fb. I was looking for more detailed info ab= out ctl voltages ie V versus Freq. This unit is marked 10Mhz when supp= lied with 5V ctl voltage, and this is spot on with 6v TTL output. 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 1:37 PM Subject: LF: Re: Mc Coy 30 sec search on the internet http://www.datasheetarchive.com/pdf-datasheets/Datasheets-110/DSAP= 004237.pdf Mark ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 12:42 PM Subject: LF: Mc Coy Hi all Does anyone have data for Mc Coy electronics XTAL OSCILLATOR MC1= 37X7-001W 10.000 MHz SN72758-126 This is a module and requires +5v, +15v sealed unit but has an= adjuster and I expect the osc can be shifted slightly, but enough to= be useful for 500 Khz divided down. 73 mal/g3kev ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Mal,
no problem, the info is indeed a bit= limited about=20 the Hz/V for the adjustment.
The data sheet seems to suggest that&= nbsp;the=20 control voltage is capable of modulating the oscillator, which implies= =20 a fast slew rate. This is not particularly good if you intend to= =20 just use the oscillator as a fixed frequency source. It means you= must=20 filter the control voltage better.
Of course using the source at low fre= quencies, none=20 of the issues of this type of source will manifest themselves signific= antly, but=20 it is probable that the performance of a microwave local oscillator lo= cked to=20 one of these may be a bit noisy.
To better understand the unit's= =20 characteristics, measure the frequency at extremes of the control volt= age range.=20 That is about all the information that is missing.
most oscillators of this type have a= fairly limited=20 tuning range, so you may find pulling the unit to your desired frequen= cy on=20 500KHz is not possible.   To reach 505 KHz the oscillat= or must=20 pull to 10.1MHz, which is a large excursion for oscillators of this ty= pe 10 Hz=20 in 10 MHz is 1ppm. 100KHz in 10 MHz  is 10,000 PPM
 
Regards
mark
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009= 4:35 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: Mc Coy

Mark
Osc fired up and working fb. I was= looking for=20 more detailed info about ctl voltages ie V versus Freq. This un= it is=20 marked 10Mhz when supplied with 5V ctl voltage, and this is spot on= with 6v=20 TTL output.
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mark
Sent: Saturday, July 04, 20= 09 1:37=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Mc Coy

30 sec search on the internet
Mark
----- Original Message -----
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To: rsgb
Sent: Saturday, July 04,= 2009 12:42=20 PM
Subject: LF: Mc Coy

Hi all
Does anyone have data for Mc Co= y electronics=20 XTAL OSCILLATOR MC137X7-001W 10.000 MHz
SN72758-126
This is a module and requires= +5v, +15v=20 sealed unit but has an adjuster and I expect the osc can be shif= ted=20 slightly, but enough to be useful for 500 Khz divided down.
73 mal/g3kev
 


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------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C9FDB2.D8553A80-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf10.mx.aol.com (rly-mf10.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.180]) by air-mf10.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMF104-9844a66577e3ba; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:04:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf10.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF102-9844a66577e3ba; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:04:16 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTPIP-0000tj-Ee for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:02:57 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTPIP-0000ta-2h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:02:57 +0100 Received: from mailout10.t-online.de ([194.25.134.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTPI8-0002Yk-1T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:02:40 +0100 Received: from fwd08.aul.t-online.de by mailout10.t-online.de with smtp id 1MTPIJ-00021a-03; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 02:02:51 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.22] (EXVUfcZfrhTsYvCcMFatmAiVIalpDnXc3bIr6HGyy7scyU5nulrWy-ryQaN06yFZgQ@[93.211.94.234]) by fwd08.t-online.de with esmtp id 1MTPIE-2555Oq0; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 02:02:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de To: X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 6.08.0003 Date: 22 Jul 2009 00:00 GMT Message-ID: <1MTPIE-2555Oq0@fwd08.t-online.de> X-ID: EXVUfcZfrhTsYvCcMFatmAiVIalpDnXc3bIr6HGyy7scyU5nulrWy-ryQaN06yFZgQ X-TOI-MSGID: e0b4a4ca-3522-4a42-a14c-e2a6a8603551 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Loop (was Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear John, LF, I would like especially to comment on using a one winding loop combined with a step-up transformer: I am using such a loop for years with continuing success. The primary of the transformer should have the same inductance as the loop itself. The secondary should provide an inductive reactance of four times the cable impedance, either at the frequency or band of interest, or on the geometric mean frequency of a broader band, in my case 10 kHz to 500 kHz (using a mean frequency of 71 kHz). As in any pure receiving applications ferrites with high Al values can be used for the transformer (6800 in my case). Concerning sensitivity, in all cases so far the rf band noise has been the limiting factor, provided the loop area is not too small. I guess many loop builders overrate the formula saying that the voltage of a loop will increase with the number of turns (which is ok when tuning the loop). But what we really want from a receiving loop is receiving power (voltage across an rx input resistance), and it is the loop area which counts in this respect, not the number of turns. Just if the turns ratio of the transformer may become too high for practical reasons, a two or three turn loop may be easier to be matched to a cable. An untuned loop is a broadband rf source, however. Therefore I am using a preselector (at VLF an 80 kHz low-pass filter) before the receiver or converter, with some amplification behind. Tuning the preselector in the shack is much easier than a loop outside the house. > > And just one random thought on multi-turn receiving loops: As Jim Moritz has > pointed out a number of times, a loop of N turns can be quite nicely replaced by a > loop of one turn and an N step-up transformer. A one-turn loop is easier to > construct, and may provide a wider tuning range. > > John, W1TAG > 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (rly-mg08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.114]) by air-mg09.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMG091-a2c4a58ca24297; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:22:00 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG086-a2c4a58ca24297; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:21:44 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MPgFU-0000iE-I6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:20:32 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MPgFU-0000i5-1w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:20:32 +0100 Received: from mout4.freenet.de ([195.4.92.94]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPgFN-0000wl-RJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:20:31 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.18] (helo=8.mx.freenet.de) by mout4.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #92) id 1MPgFM-0007j4-Ld for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:20:24 +0200 Received: from g230241086.adsl.alicedsl.de ([92.230.241.86]:1273 helo=[192.168.0.100]) by 8.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #93) id 1MPgFM-0003Ux-DU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:20:24 +0200 Message-ID: <4A58C9D7.2030507@freenet.de> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:20:23 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Wolfgang_B=FCscher?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RSGB LF Group X-purgate-ID: 149285::1247332824-00004473-ADDE7620/0-0/0-0 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: G3YXM 59 ;-) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) So sorry that I can't transmit on 136 kHz from home .. hpe cul Dave, 73, Wolf . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (rly-dd06.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.153]) by air-dd10.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDD103-b814a65bf81345; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:15:55 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD063-b814a65bf81345; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:15:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTFAk-0007Lj-2s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:14:22 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTFAj-0007La-I3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:14:21 +0100 Received: from smtp28.orange.fr ([80.12.242.100]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTFAS-00069l-QB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:14:05 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf2807.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B8DBD7000082 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:14:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf2807.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AD9E27000091 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:14:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from acer9412 (ARouen-256-1-75-250.w90-22.abo.wanadoo.fr [90.22.2.250]) by mwinf2807.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 401517000082 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:14:08 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090721131408262.401517000082@mwinf2807.orange.fr Message-ID: From: "F6CWN" To: Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:14:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Fw: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0043_01CA0A05.20F87AF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01CA0A05.20F87AF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? Hello Laurence and all! =20 I use a two turns rx antenna, it works quite good (more directivity)= . And it are this type of aerial which has just given me the idea of= trying a large coil in TX. Wires in parallel are a very good idea to reduce losses. The problem (I think) is the Q of this aerial. It is necessary to bu= ild an automatic system (PID) to compensate the drift because the aeri= en is very sensitive to the environment variations. This is not easy= because power is high! Two advantages: smaller aerial and bigger directivity. Disadvantage: More copper in air (heavy!), really in case of problem= more important fire hazard. Without counting that the horizontal pola= risation of the field is forgotten. Conclusion: It is again necessary to think... VY 73: Jeff (PS: Ferrites are N67 and not N87!) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 5:47 AM Subject: RE: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? Jeff - The "turns" of the mains WD2XDW loop were just distanced pa= rallel loops running in roughly the same plane to reduce the RF copper= losses and open up the bandwidth a bit - . I did try a couple of "tur= ns" but never managed to get the ommppff field. Interesting given the= fact that some people use 2 turns on their K9AY's successfully - =20 =20 All the loops ends up welded together on lugs and attached to the= tuner. Ive just overhauled the tuner ready to put on line for WE2XPQ= but it will be running lower power for a while as I dont want to star= t a forest fire in Alaska! =20 Back home in KL7 on August 14th again...just need time... =20 laurence BY3A-KL1X Tanggu China 34degC We2XPQ/ x Wd2XDW Wasilla AK =20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? Hello Markus and Rick! I have only just acquainted myself with your messages. (Just going out from hospital, big blood pressure problem...) Thanks a lot for precious information, of what make fun still! I recovered some ferrites N87 types which should work in 137 KHZ= . Another subject interests me, it is the possibility of transmitt= ing with a big spool of several turns (a bit as WD2XDW). But EIRP is= much weaker than with a vertical aerial, then it is necessary to "pus= h more" in power! Thanks in advance! 73: Jeff / F6CWN=20 =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ Windows Live=99 SkyDrive=99: Store, access, and share your photos.= See how.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01CA0A05.20F87AF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT in 13= 6 KHz=20 TX?

Hello Laurence and all!
 I use=20 a two turns rx antenna, it works quite good (more directivity).= And it=20 are this type of aerial which has just given me the idea of trying&n= bsp;a=20 large coil in TX.
Wires in parallel are a very good= idea to reduce=20 losses.
The problem (I think) is the Q of= this aerial. It=20 is necessary to build an automatic system (PID) to=20 compensate the drift because the aerien is very sensitive= to the=20 environment variations. This is not easy because power is=20 high!
Two advantages: smaller aerial and= bigger=20 directivity.
Disadvantage: More copper in air (h= eavy!), really=20 in case of problem more important fire hazard. Without counting that= the=20 horizontal polarisation of the field is forgotten.
 
Conclusion: It is again necessary= to=20 think...
 
VY 73: Jeff
 
(PS: Ferrites are N67 and not N87!)
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 200= 9 5:47=20 AM
Subject: RE: LF: Re: IGBT= in 136 KHz=20 TX?

Jeff - The "turns" of the mains WD2XDW loop we= re just=20 distanced parallel loops running in roughly the same plane to redu= ce the RF=20 copper losses and open up the bandwidth a bit - . I did try= a couple of=20 "turns" but never managed to get the ommppff field. Interesting gi= ven the=20 fact that some people use 2 turns on their K9AY's successfull= y -=20  
 
All the loops ends up welded together  on= lugs and=20 attached to the tuner.  Ive just overhauled the tuner ready= to put on=20 line for WE2XPQ but it will be running lower power for a while as= I dont=20 want to start a forest fire in Alaska!
 
Back home in= KL7 on=20 August 14th again...just need time...
 
laurence
BY3= A-KL1X=20 Tanggu China 34degC
We2XPQ/ x Wd2XDW Wasilla=20 AK
 

 Subject:= Re: LF:=20 Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?


Hello Markus and Rick!
 
I have only just acquainted mys= elf with your=20 messages.
(Just going out from hospital, big blood pressure= =20 problem...)
Thanks a lot for precious infor= mation, of=20 what make fun still!
I recovered some ferrites N87= types which=20 should work in 137 KHZ.
Another subject interests me,= it is the=20 possibility of transmitting with a big spool of several turns (a= bit as=20 WD2XDW). But EIRP is much weaker than with a vertical aeria= l, then it=20 is necessary to "push more"  in power!
 
Thanks in advance!
73: Jeff / F6CWN

 

Windows Live=99 SkyDrive=99: Store, access, and share your photos.= See how.
------=_NextPart_000_0043_01CA0A05.20F87AF0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md02.mx.aol.com (rly-md02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.140]) by air-md09.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMD093-8ec4a575439bc; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:46:35 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD024-8ec4a575439bc; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:46:20 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MPHLq-00054e-O8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:45:26 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MPHLq-00054V-2t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:45:26 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPHLn-0007K6-KR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:45:25 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEABHxVkpZ8Rn//2dsb2JhbACEa8tghAgFgTs Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.241.25.255]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 15:45:17 +0100 Message-ID: <005701ca016d$0ade8a20$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <001401ca0147$dc500d20$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <004e01ca0164$c2eba160$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:45:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ps Imagine being without SKY satellite TV for a day or so or for ever !!!!!!!!!!!!! ie controlled jamming or the satellite deliberately ZAPPED no alternative Analogue terrestrial TV is being phased out where at least one gets some sort of degraded picture, digital TV all or nothing. No doubt FM radio is to follow and DAB radio is hit and miss in some areas and not practical in a vehicle again all or nothing. Assume the respective terrestrial TX is on air Is this progress, making way for more data channels, for even more data, someone has lost the plot as they say. --------------------- corr.Period g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" To: Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 2:46 PM Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises > We all know the reasons and under some circumstances justified, but so > many > now rely on and depend on its existance that perhaps we have gone down the > wrong road. Just imagine if a major incident was about to take place and > it > was jammed for prolonged peroids. So many agencies now depend on it and > consider it an essential navigation facility. > Of course it could also be jammed deliberately by hostile organisations > which is even worse than a controlled exercise. > Communications satellites are also vunerable to jamming and abuse and the > whole world communications network is virtually dependent on them with > only > limited cable alternatives. > I think we are in a right mess and more vunerable than before the advent > of such systems not to mention computer viruses and hackers etc. > All these gadgets and contraptions are very useful but the mistake is > totally DEPENDING on them which is the situation we are in. > G3KEV > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andy Talbot" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 1:51 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises > > > Ask yourself why it may be advantageous to jam GPS is a war scenario, > and just how GPS is likely to be used by both sides. > Then consider how it may be done in a sensible manner, how to avoid > excessive fratricide and why excercises such as these may have to be > performed. > > Ask yourself why Selective Availability was removed some years ago. > > May like to also wonder if the substation located at exactly that > specified location could have anything to do with the exercise. > > Andy G4JNT > www.g4jnt.com > > > > 2009/7/10 Michael Probert GW4HXO : >> Hello Finbar, >> >> Maybe Mal has a point? Seems a bit odd that the MOD are going to jam an >> important service for a couple of hours. Can you imagine it they jammed >> TV >> for a day or two, would be nice! >> >> Best regards >> >> Mike >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton >> Sent: 10 July 2009 11:19 >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises >> >> Like I said when the big BANG comes the Appliance operator and his data >> gadgets will be rendered useless, whereas a Radio Amateur with his 2 >> valved >> RX/TX, a morse key, a piece of wire for antenna and a pedal powered power >> source will communicate on. >> We all managed to commumicate and navigate this past 100 years without >> these >> >> gadgets, unfortunately today the majority seem to be totally dependant on >> computers and associated data devices. These gadgets are handy but make a >> person LAZY and forgetful about how to write and operate CW as a tool to >> communicate. >> G3KEV >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dave Pick" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 8:11 AM >> Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises >> >> >> Perhaps we should encourage a Loran jamming excercise to prove that it >> isn't the un-jammable marvel that its cracked up to be? >> >> ;-) >> >> Dave G3YXM >> >> 2009/7/9 Dave G3WCB : >>> Hmmm... I can only see an electricity substation at that exact >>> location...the source will probably on Henley's Down or somewhere >>> similar. >>> >>> It'll mess-up any GPS-disciplined beacons (LF or Microwave)for a few >>> hours! >>> >>> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Andy Talbot >>> Sent: 08 July 2009 22:36 >>> To: ukmicrowaves@yahoogroups.com; uk_beacons@yahoogroups.com; >>> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Subject: LF: Fwd: Fw: Ofcom Update: Date Correction - Forthcoming GPS >>> jamming exercises >>> >>> >>> The Lat/Long converts to: >>> Loc. JO00FV41 >>> NGR TQ723122 >>> >>> Andy >>> www.g4jnt.com >>> >>> --- On Wed, 8/7/09, Updates wrote: >>> >>> From: Updates >>> Subject: Ofcom Update: Date Correction - Forthcoming GPS jamming >>> exercises >>> To: >>> Date: Wednesday, 8 July, 2009, 11:14 AM >>> >>> The MoD has informed Ofcom of the following GPS jamming exercise: >>> >>> Dates: 14th and 15th October 2009. >>> >>> Times: Maximum of two hours between the times of 08:00-12:00 and >>> 13:30–15:30 each day. >>> >>> Location: Within 1km of N50° 53.0’ and E000° 27.0’ (Bexhill, East >>> Sussex). >>> >>> Contact: Trial Manager (during the trial) on 07776 484226. >>> >>> >> ........................................................................... >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ---- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.9/2228 - Release Date: 07/09/09 >> 18:07:00 >> >> >> >> __________ NOD32 4231 (20090710) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.9/2228 - Release Date: 07/09/09 > 18:07:00 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.9/2228 - Release Date: 07/09/09 18:07:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (rly-dc10.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.39]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC063-b484a6ce4372b4; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:18:34 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC104-b484a6ce4372b4; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:18:17 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MVCxH-0006Fb-Ia for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 00:16:35 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MVCxG-0006FS-OP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 00:16:34 +0100 Received: from mbox2.netikka.net ([213.250.81.203]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MVCx8-0005Ld-Sh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 00:16:32 +0100 Received: from imp1.netikka.net (imp1.netikka.net [213.250.85.154]) by mbox2.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10FFE408017 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 02:16:18 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imp1.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C57EB495B91 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 02:16:18 +0300 (EEST) Received: from 558602b6.adsl.multi.fi (558602b6.adsl.multi.fi [85.134.2.182]) by imp.netikka.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 02:16:18 +0300 Message-ID: <1248650178.4a6ce3c2c0d7e@imp.netikka.net> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 02:16:18 +0300 From: Paul-Henrik To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <004e01ca0e08$4e2b7ac0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <004e01ca0e08$4e2b7ac0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 85.134.2.182 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: BEACON Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) EI0CF QTH EJM was audible for some minutes here on 501.05kHz ar= ound 22.45UTC, 01.45 local time. SK0RUD and DI2AM had already been audible for= an hour or so prior to this. The propagation peak for stations west of me still occurs very late but th= ings will start changing in a month or so. This was my first copy of an EI callsign on 501-504kHz. Best regards Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ Vaasa / KP03SD Quoting mal hamilton : > EI0CF QTH EJM in beacon mode. > Am I the only one receiving this beacon. What about the grabbers? > de g3kev > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (rly-mf02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.172]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMF082-9464a620a21147; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 13:45:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF024-9464a620a21147; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 13:45:08 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MSDx7-0000HN-RA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 18:44:05 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MSDx7-0000HE-FF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 18:44:05 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MSDwt-0001er-Iv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 18:43:52 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuoEAFamYUpcGucG/2dsb2JhbACCJS6CG4UCgxgGv2CEDAU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([92.26.231.6]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2009 18:43:39 +0100 Message-ID: <003901ca07cf$48d5b430$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 18:43:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 600m - 6m Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01CA07D7.A9F0BCD0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CA07D7.A9F0BCD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Several stns active on 600 m this morning, mostly southern and all the= other HF bands vy active as well as 6m. Lots of EU acty on 6, UA, HA,= DL, EA and CT as well as other countries.=20 Yet more CW practice at hi speed 30 - 40 wpm the norm on 6 to beat the= QSB during sporadic E openings, band condx change rapidly. 73 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CA07D7.A9F0BCD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Several stns active on 600 m this mor= ning, mostly=20 southern and all the other HF bands vy active as well as 6m. Lots of= EU acty on=20 6, UA, HA, DL, EA and CT as well as other countries.
Yet more CW practice at hi speed 30= - 40 wpm the=20 norm on 6 to beat the QSB during sporadic E openings, band condx chang= e=20 rapidly.
73 de mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0036_01CA07D7.A9F0BCD0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md06.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMD061-91a4a6cae3839b; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:28:17 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD082-91a4a6cae3839b; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:27:53 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MV9NI-0005f5-Ib for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:27:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MV9NI-0005ew-5Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:27:12 +0100 Received: from mail-yw0-f179.google.com ([209.85.211.179]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MV9Mw-0005rH-TK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:26:51 +0100 Received: by ywh9 with SMTP id 9so354441ywh.30 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:27:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=rDIfoIPC4ERv1Iz6STE6lt0jDHVIbx0CYJJpVMTxcGE=; b=Lrcz6VY+SqBN7Kc7Y/lcMYFxLC6Y1A1LWMUr1o2ir4RyJnxMfaKqpQ4R+BqHId5fqx i0yLnl0CugPdYgquEudjEvwXtBELDA4nccksZib4bYYW7QIEqmAdu9DO/Dd/B3zak6+m Oer+PEbrTDHRicD2JxXQ89PT2tXjdJbSASFyI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=TbL5mpDjAG1X8kEslzJU0sHDFRe2JosDvGchkZQh67Goaqtnzmh+/5VExr2XrcDpH3 G7KI9DxSWuN5a8dXpY+pQpFpbt+qYKm8lRxvXCeA+AWw5/qlTNDMHV+HQlO3Vmm054IQ QWw/TIxdZju4OGQNxSAS/PY4JCHX5yCsD/Ye0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.52.10 with SMTP id z10mr9565494ybz.216.1248636422171; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:27:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <57a24ca70907250812g7601e278w6ad9822384500e57@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:27:02 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70907261227k636ffb73gc8e4fd83873cd2b5@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 25-07.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d305.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Lubos, Sorry, no operation tonight, heavy thunderstorms expected. WD2XGJ QRT. --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2009/7/26 Lubos OK2BVG : > Hello Warren! > There were a lot of storms and lightnings in the last weeks. As I can se= e on > internet, the "storm situation" is good now, so I am going to start my= RX on > 137.777kHz. Will be your beacon ON this night? > > 73! > > Lubos, OK2BVG > > ****************************** > > >> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 11:12:58 -0400 >> From: wd2xgj@gmail.com >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 25-07.jpg >> >> Thank you Henny for the capture! >> -- >> 73 Warren K2ORS >> WD2XGJ >> WD2XSH/23 >> WE2XEB/2 >> WE2XGR/1 >> >> >> >> 2009/7/25 henny van elst : >> > Hello Warren,Lf >> > strong signal XGJ, >> > Henny pa3cpm >> > best 73s >> > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden >> > verzonden: >> > XGJ 25-07.jpg >> > >> > > ________________________________ > P=F8edve=EFte sv=F9j styl pomoc=ED zobrazen=ED obr=E1zk=F9 v Messenger.= Prohl=E9dn=ECte si je > v=B9echny. Klikni zde! --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da06.mx.aol.com (rly-da06.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.80]) by air-da06.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDA064-a714a5440b7152; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 02:46:19 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da06.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA061-a714a5440b7152; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 02:46:17 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MOQtt-0004wO-Et for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 07:45:05 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MOQts-0004wF-UO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 07:45:04 +0100 Received: from mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.38]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MOQto-0001IR-GM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 07:45:01 +0100 X-Trace: 230272255/mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/PIPEX/$PIPEX-ACCEPTED/pipex-temporary-group/79.65.164.139/None/m0afj@dsl.pipex.com X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.65.164.139 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: m0afj@dsl.pipex.com X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgICABrdU0pPQaSL/2dsb2JhbAAIz0GECAU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,367,1243810800"; d="scan'208";a="230272255" X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from 79-65-164-139.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO [10.0.0.4]) ([79.65.164.139]) by smtp.pipex.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 08 Jul 2009 07:44:57 +0100 Message-ID: <4A54406B.2050209@dsl.pipex.com> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 07:44:59 +0100 From: tim hague User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: 500kHz Last Night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Good signals from G3DXZ and G3XIZ last night on 500 kHz, DXZ 579 and XIZ 599 Cheers Tim M0AFJ IO92OB From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf09.mx.aol.com (rly-mf09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.179]) by air-mf02.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMF021-9814a6c09d7d0; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 03:47:00 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf09.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF097-9814a6c09d7d0; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 03:46:33 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MUyPX-0003x5-DD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 08:44:47 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MUyPW-0003ww-Lb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 08:44:46 +0100 Received: from psmtp04.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MUyPS-0008Dv-Rs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 08:44:44 +0100 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp04.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KND00DWHPICV8@psmtp04.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 09:44:37 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 09:44:16 +0200 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: XGJ 26-07.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_8NT0VLi7O8BO8I7shG5+Dg)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_8NT0VLi7O8BO8I7shG5+Dg) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_41NBA36D764KMgn66ivSoQ)" --Boundary_(ID_41NBA36D764KMgn66ivSoQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Warren,Lf capture xgj henny pa3cpm 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: XGJ 26-07.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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Hi Warren,Lf
capture xgj
henny pa3cpm
73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
XGJ 26-07.jpg

Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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with ESMTP id MAILINDA012-a584a6c1034221; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 04:13:52 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA028-a584a6c1034221; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 04:13:42 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MUyqT-00045G-0F for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 09:12:37 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MUyqS-000457-Kc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 09:12:36 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.244] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MUyq7-0000jM-TF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 09:12:16 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAK+sa0pZ8RET/2dsb2JhbACCU4IbhQaDJgbAWoQNBQ Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.241.17.19]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2009 09:12:07 +0100 Message-ID: <001401ca0dc8$c4c53800$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 09:12:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: EI0CF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01CA0DD1.24B184A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01CA0DD1.24B184A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hrd this past couple of days about S4 daytime on beacon mode. mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01CA0DD1.24B184A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hrd this past couple of days about S4= daytime on=20 beacon mode.
mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0011_01CA0DD1.24B184A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df03.mx.aol.com (rly-df03.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.16]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDF012-53f4a4f60b12e4; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:01:39 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF038-53f4a4f60b12e4; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:01:23 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MN5n8-0001SQ-0Q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:00:34 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MN5n7-0001SH-6V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:00:33 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MN5n3-0000tz-8e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:00:33 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmIFALf9TkpcGukt/2dsb2JhbACCJi6CFIR6gwMGvWyEEgU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([92.26.233.45]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 04 Jul 2009 15:00:07 +0100 Message-ID: <004801c9fcaf$bcec02f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:00:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Mc Coy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0045_01C9FCB8.1E79A380" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C9FCB8.1E79A380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tnx for the info about the OSC. I had this info already but was lookin= g for more precise info about ctl voltages to obtain certain frequenci= es. I am assuming the voltages marked on the box will give 10 Mhz output,= whereas altering the control voltage will change the freq. Maybe someone has used this unit and knows. 73 mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C9FCB8.1E79A380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tnx for the info about the OSC. I had= this info=20 already but was looking for more precise info about ctl voltages to ob= tain=20 certain frequencies.
I am assuming the voltages marked on= the box will=20 give 10 Mhz output, whereas altering the control voltage will change= the=20 freq.
Maybe someone has used this unit and= =20 knows.
73 mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C9FCB8.1E79A380-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df09.mx.aol.com (rly-df09.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.22]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDF081-5764a6609da128; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:33:13 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df09.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF093-5764a6609da128; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:33:01 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTK7c-0000Q7-HY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:31:28 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTK7c-0000Py-5z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:31:28 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.244] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTK7L-0000TL-IX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:31:12 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiQFAEOmZUpcHCup/2dsb2JhbACCJy2CG4UCgxkGjSa4Z4QMBQ Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([92.28.43.169]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2009 19:31:18 +0100 Message-ID: <005701ca0a31$6ffac0a0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:31:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: BUG KEY US ARMY Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0054_01CA0A39.D153E3B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01CA0A39.D153E3B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just found a bug key type signal corps U S ARMY key type J36 (1942) Po= ssibly someone across the pond has used this model.=20 Its a good age and excellent condx. I have about 20 different keys som= e out of RAF and USAF aircraft. mal/g3kev =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01CA0A39.D153E3B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just found a bug key type signal corp= s U S=20 ARMY key type J36 (1942) Possibly someone across the po= nd has=20 used this model.
Its a good age and excellent condx.&n= bsp;I have=20 about 20 different keys some out of RAF and=20 USAF aircraft.
mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0054_01CA0A39.D153E3B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb02.mx.aol.com (rly-mb02.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.155]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMB053-cee4a6c2f7f16b; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 06:27:38 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB022-cee4a6c2f7f16b; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 06:27:12 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MV0vB-0004PP-GH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 11:25:37 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MV0vB-0004PG-0P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 11:25:37 +0100 Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com ([205.188.144.208]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MV0uo-0001Do-Sb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 11:25:16 +0100 Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a6c2f01197; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 06:25:05 -0400 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.bde.4d5c1797 (37691) for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 06:24:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Silver (g229080058.adsl.alicedsl.de [92.229.80.58]) by cia-mb08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB087-933b4a6c2edce4; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 06:24:29 -0400 Message-ID: <1D496EEA3DC24D80B7BB41DE5FAB20EB@Silver> From: "Markus Vester" To: References: Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 10:24:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: XGJ July 14 - 26 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA0DDB.413D8470" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA0DDB.413D8470 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000A_01CA0DDB.413D8470" ------=_NextPart_001_000A_01CA0DDB.413D8470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Warren, here's an assembly of recent receptions of WD2XGJ in Nuernberg. Kind regards, Markus, DF6NM ------=_NextPart_001_000A_01CA0DDB.413D8470 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Warren,
 
here's an assembly of recent receptio= ns of WD2XGJ=20 in Nuernberg.
 
Kind regards,
Markus, DF6NM
 
 
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<57a24ca70907241213ua177757w6eb23a564dcfa4a0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 19:38:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Apollo contingency modes , beep beep ! 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I have it about 12 inches above ground orientated east/west & a short ground spike which has reduced the local noise. For a short time I am using this loop connected to the grabber receivers & as you will see it appears to perform quite well. It probably will not be as omni-directional as the Mini-Whip so as a further experiment I will rotate it to north/south direction tomorrow night & observe the difference. The article can be found on the UK500KHZ group files page at :- http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO. I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01CA0AF0.D6C0F880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi LF,

 

I have recently com= pleted the LF-MF band pass loop described by Jim M0BMU.

 

I have it about 12= inches above ground orientated east/west & a short ground spike which has reduced the= local noise.

 

For a short time I= am using this loop connected to the grabber receivers & as you will see it appears to= perform quite well. It probably will not be as omni-directional as the Mini-Wh= ip so as a further experiment I will rotate it to north/south direction tomorro= w night & observe the difference.

 

The article can be= found on the UK500KHZ group files page at :-

 

http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO.

 

 
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autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: [137 kHz] LF T/A WD2XGJ Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080305000008000703070803" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------080305000008000703070803 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Warren , LF , Good copy last night of your beacon ( see capture ) 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj --------------080305000008000703070803 Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="XGJ.jpg" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="XGJ.jpg" 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(Exim 4.14) id 1MTQ3X-00011u-4s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:51:39 +0100 Received: from que11.charter.net ([209.225.8.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTQ3G-0002jt-0D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:51:22 +0100 Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.10]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.01.00 201-2219-108-20080618) with ESMTP id <20090722004141.BZJO2647.mta31.charter.net@imp10> for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:41:41 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([66.189.74.84]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id Johg1c00P1p78xe05ohhZW; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:41:41 -0400 Message-ID: <4A666044.6090405@charter.net> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:41:40 -0400 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1MTPIE-2555Oq0@fwd08.t-online.de> In-Reply-To: <1MTPIE-2555Oq0@fwd08.t-online.de> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Loop (was Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Ha-Jo, That's one way to look at it, and a valid approach. But consider another example: Suppose you have a single-turn loop that has an (arbitrary) impedance of 0.1 +j10 ohms at a frequency of interest, and you desire to make it look like a 10-turn tuned loop. A 1:10 transformer will provide the same voltage step-up as a 10-turn loop, and will ideally step the impedance up by 10^2 = 100, giving you 10 +j1000 ohms. You would then have an option of series or parallel tuning the loop on either side of the transformer. The secondary side is much nicer for our use than the primary side. Parallel tuning would be a good choice into a hi-z input preamp. Series tuning would leave you with the 10 ohm resistance, which you could then step up to the characteristic impedance of your line, or leave at a lower value if BW were an issue. In the above case, I'd suggest a primary inductance on the transformer of 5X the magnitude of the loop impedance, but your 4X would probably do. Leakage reactance is pretty much inevitable, and will throw things off a bit. There's all sorts of ways to approach this, depending on your desire for tuning, etc. But I just wanted to point out that the much simpler single turn construction can work just as well as multi-turn. John, W1TAG hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de wrote: > Dear John, LF, > > I would like especially to comment on using a one winding loop combined > with a step-up transformer: From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md01.mx.aol.com (rly-md01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.139]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMD054-8e34a5cf5672ee; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:15:25 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD013-8e34a5cf5672ee; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:15:20 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MQpKG-0003zL-DK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:14:12 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MQpKF-0003zC-I9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:14:11 +0100 Received: from fish2.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.163]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MQpKB-0001Ii-TK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:14:10 +0100 Received: from weazle (pppoe.dyn-216.46.157.96.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.157.96]) by fish2.hurontel.on.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 5BB5F983442 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from weazle (pppoe.dyn-216.46.157.96.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.157.96]) by fish2.hurontel.on.ca with SMTP id 01rBcsUR46dsGEw3 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000701ca04c8$00eec9e0$0b01a8c0@weazle> From: "J. 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Weazle McCreath" To: References: <1EDB89E6D3E24E008B4897CFE896A09F@lindavideo> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:13:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Microwave oven transformers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Ken, LFers, I've used four M.O.T.'s immersed in oil to achieve close to 9 KV to power one of my Tesla coils. I had to be sure that the phasing of the windings was right so that they added up. Of course the two on the ends where operating with their cores at 2 K.V., hence the need for the oil bath. In your case, connect the two cores together and possibly to earth, and then measure the voltage between the two high voltage leads to determine the correct phasing for the primaries. Regarding the magnetic shunts, they are easily removed with a drift punch and a few gentle hammer taps. DON'T DING THE WINDINGS! Depending on your actual usage, the type of filter you use after the rectifiers will help with the regulation. You can use a choke input configuration as shown in any ARRL Handbook. Good luck! 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL Solar and wind powered Lowfer " EAR" 188.830 EN93dr http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc11.mx.aol.com (rly-mc11.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.95]) by air-mc07.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMC071-da54a65c8e5380; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:56:06 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc11.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC115-da54a65c8e5380; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:55:51 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTFo7-0007qX-2b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:55:03 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTFo6-0007qO-H3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:55:02 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.53]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTFnp-0006UR-Bz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:54:46 +0100 X-Trace: 233149172/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.72.80/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.72.80 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArMEABxlZUpYakhQ/2dsb2JhbACCKSsjNVqHAoUewTEJhAMF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,240,1246834800"; d="scan'208,217";a="233149172" Received: from 88-106-72-80.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.72.80]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 21 Jul 2009 14:54:56 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <000001ca0922$9cf3c580$6401a8c0@asus> <8CBD73EF9671F8C-1424-8F46@webmail-dh33.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:54:54 +0100 Message-ID: <002801ca0a0a$d38bb6a0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <8CBD73EF9671F8C-1424-8F46@webmail-dh33.sysops.aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcoJKEEo2deVZa4CQ/eXeGHHITBdcgA4jZSA X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD=0.452,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: 504khz harmonic. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01CA0A13.35501EA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01CA0A13.35501EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Marcus, LF, =20 >You wrote :- > Did you incidentally listen to the modulation on the fundamental? =20 Yes I did & I cannot detect any difference from the pattern being ther= e or not. =20 Cheers, =20 Gary =96 G4WGT. _____ =20 From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Markus Vester Sent: 20 July 2009 11:50 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 504khz harmonic. =20 Hi Gary, =20 looks like some cool Techno bass track on AM :-) Did you incidentally= listen to the modulation on the fundamental? =20 73, Markus DF6NM -----Urspr=FCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Gary - G4WGT An: LF -RSGB LF Group Verschickt: Mo., 20. 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------=_NextPart_000_0029_01CA0A13.35501EA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db02.mx.aol.com (rly-db02.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.77]) by air-db10.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDB104-aaf4a6746d7359; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:06:22 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB025-aaf4a6746d7359; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:05:30 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTfEs-0002kJ-H6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:04:22 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTfEr-0002kA-Si for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:04:21 +0100 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTfEX-0001Xc-9P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:04:04 +0100 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20E2D2ACC3F for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:04:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps03.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.132] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.53L) with ESMTP id XID313NgVReJ4653X01; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:04:09 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.132 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps03.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID313NgVReJ4653X01 Received: from [127.0.0.1] [151.47.221.76] by cmsapps03.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 408NgVReg1840M39; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:04:06 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.221.76 AUTH dibene@usa.net [127.0.0.1] Message-ID: <4A674683.1000301@usa.net> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 19:04:03 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1MTPIE-2555Oq0@fwd08.t-online.de> In-Reply-To: <1MTPIE-2555Oq0@fwd08.t-online.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090722-0, 07/22/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Z-USANET-MsgId: XID408NgVReH1840X39 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_08=2.435,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Loop (was Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?) Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------050604030701030706090009" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_04, HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_04,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_ONLY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------050604030701030706090009 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 
I would like especially to comment on using a one 
winding loop combined with a step-up transformer:
I am interested in knowing opinions about using the loop itself as
a primary of the transformer, as in this picture (heavily compressed
to stay into the size limits). Here it is a three-turn loop, but it could
be a single turn one, as discussed.

73  Alberto  I2PHD


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<57a24ca70907210620v6f208cf2t898ce58cab2e9776@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Loop (was Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d258.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Laurence, What do you think is the upper power limit for a loop using coaxial cable as a conductor? I've run about 1.3 kW into my loop made up of one turn RG-11 and one turn RG-214 (both turns parallel as in your case). Once one of the coax conductors came into contact with wet leaves near the feed point and began to burn through the insulation and the leaves - the first indication was erratic aerial currrent. I'm thinking of running two Deccas into a combiner but not sure if the loop insulation is sufficient. --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/ On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Laurence BY3A-KL1X China wrote: > Jeff - The=A0"turns" of the mains WD2XDW loop were just distanced parall= el > loops running in roughly the same plane to reduce the RF copper losses= and > open up the bandwidth a bit=A0- . I did try a couple of "turns" but neve= r > managed to get the ommppff field. Interesting given the fact that some > people=A0use 2 turns on their K9AY's successfully - > > All the loops ends up welded together=A0 on lugs and attached to the tun= er. > Ive just overhauled the tuner ready to put on line for WE2XPQ but it wil= l be > running lower power for a while as I dont want to start a forest fire in > Alaska! > > Back home in KL7 on August 14th again...just need time... > > laurence > BY3A-KL1X Tanggu China 34degC > We2XPQ/ x Wd2XDW Wasilla AK > > > =A0Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? > > > Hello Markus and Rick! > > I have only just acquainted myself with your messages. > (Just going out from hospital, big blood pressure problem...) > Thanks a lot for precious information, of what make fun still! > I recovered some ferrites N87 types which should work in 137 KHZ. > Another subject interests me, it is the possibility of transmitting with= a > big spool of several turns (a bit as WD2XDW). But=A0EIRP is much weaker= than > with a vertical aerial, then it is necessary to "push more"=A0 in power! > > Thanks in advance! > > 73: Jeff / F6CWN > > > > ________________________________ > Windows Live=99 SkyDrive=99: Store, access, and share your photos. See= how. 1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me04.mx.aol.com (rly-me04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.38]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINME034-9b24a4fa76522; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:03:16 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME046-9b24a4fa76522; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:03:05 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MNAVI-0001pq-4m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:02:28 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MNAVH-0001ph-Ce for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:02:27 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-4-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.55]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MNAVF-0003h1-Hs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:02:27 +0100 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deerhound.twatt.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67DDB3B37E for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:57:27 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A4A9857.2060604@sighthound.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:57:27 +0000 From: John P-G User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 503.7kHz - its back Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Andy Talbot wrote: > My beacon on 503.7kHz is back on. 04/19/34/49 minutes past the hour > ~+25dBm EIRP. Callsign, power steps, full power carrier 25 - 30 > seconds then PSK31 from :30s > > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > Andy, Looked good last night - I have a grabber running constantly but not for general consumption - and tonight at 22:49 UTC the trace was very good. The QRN has died down a touch. Attached is the capture showing the 22:49 transmission. I was calling CQ (in vain) at 22:47/8 Also visible are SK6RUD on 500.0kHz, very faintly EI0CF (signing EI0CF MMM - a tiny antenna intended for /MM operation in a small motorboat) on 501.05 (the green marker), my TV set produces the line at 501.75 and the obvious RTE 2nd harmonic at 504 Cheers, John GM4SLV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc05.mx.aol.com (rly-mc05.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.89]) by air-mc05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMC051-d754a644c342e9; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:52:00 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc05.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC055-d754a644c342e9; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:51:35 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MSqRy-0004DM-ML for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:50:30 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MSqRx-0004DD-Th for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:50:29 +0100 Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com ([64.12.78.142]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MSqRt-0000Ti-RQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:50:27 +0100 Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n6KAoAGG009470 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:50:10 -0400 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.ce5.5538873f (37140) for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-md02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-md02.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.155]) by cia-ma03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA032-d4314a644bdd286; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:50:05 -0400 Received: from webmail-dh33 (webmail-dh33.sim.aol.com [205.188.170.148]) by smtprly-md02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMD028-d4314a644bdd286; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:50:05 -0400 References: <000001ca0922$9cf3c580$6401a8c0@asus> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:50:05 -0400 In-Reply-To: <000001ca0922$9cf3c580$6401a8c0@asus> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Markus Vester X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Webmail 43792-STANDARD Received: from 217.194.34.103 by webmail-dh33.sysops.aol.com (205.188.170.148) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:50:04 -0400 Message-Id: <8CBD73EF9671F8C-1424-8F46@webmail-dh33.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 504khz harmonic. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CBD73EF9888078_1424_123C3_webmail-dh33.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ----------MB_8CBD73EF9888078_1424_123C3_webmail-dh33.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Gary, looks like some cool Techno bass track=C2=A0on AM :-) Did you incidentally= listen to the=C2=A0modulation on the fundamental? 73, Markus DF6NM -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Gary - G4WGT An: LF -RSGB LF Group Verschickt: Mo., 20. Jul. 2009, 12:12 Thema: LF: 504khz harmonic. Hi All, =C2=A0 Occasionally recently I have been seeing strange patterns around the harmo= nic line received on my SpecLab grabbers on 504kHz from the broadcast stat= ion at 252kHz. =C2=A0 The patterns are not just seen using the Softrock SDR Rx but also with my= JRC NRD-345, the only common device is the Mini-Whip active antenna. =C2=A0 I seem to remember some while ago comments on this LF Forum regarding that= station carrying out some experiments or tests involving digital data or= something similar. =C2=A0 I wonder if this is an effect of those tests as there were concerns that= it may cause interference on the 500kHz amateur band. =C2=A0 Capture attached. =C2=A0 73, =C2=A0 Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter ________________________________________________________________________ AOL eMail auf Ihrem Handy! 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Hi Gary,
 
looks like some cool Techno bass track on AM :-) Did you inciden= tally listen to the modulation on the fundamental?
 
73, Markus DF6NM


-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
An: LF -RSGB LF Group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Mo., 20. Jul. 2009, 12:12
Thema: LF: 504khz harmonic.

Graham, LF

 

GB4FPR big signal tonight, see attachment.

 

73

 

Gary – G4WGT.

 

From:= owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] On Behalf Of Graham
Sent: 04 July 2009 19:3= 5
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: GB4FPR 502= .00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS=

 

 GB4FPR  502.00 KHZ TONIGHT&n= bsp; 4 july ROUND 1930  ONWARDS

 

Operating on 502.00  khz cw ,

 

RX 502 kx +/-  also rx on  35= 33 / 7033  cw -  cross band 

 

Possibly operating till  round&nbs= p; 2400 hrs

 

 

Reports welcome

 

Tnx- Graham

 

 

 

 

 

 =

Hi Marcus, LF,

 

>You wrote :-

> Did you in= cidentally listen to the modulation on the fundamental?

 

Yes I did & I cannot detect any difference from the pattern being there= or not.

 

Cheers,

 

Gary – G4WGT.

From= : owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] On Behalf Of Markus Ves= ter
Sent: 20 July 2009 11:5= 0
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: 504khz= harmonic.

 

Hi Gary,

 

looks like some cool Techno bass track = on AM :-) Did you incidentally listen to the modulation on the fundamental?

 

73, Markus DF6= NM


-----Urspr=FCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
An: LF -RSGB LF Group <rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org>
Verschickt: Mo., 20. Jul. 2009, 12:12
Thema: LF: 504khz harmonic.

Hi All,

 

Occasionally recen= tly I have been seeing strange patterns around the harmonic line received on my SpecLab grabb= ers on 504kHz from the broadcast station at 252kHz.

 

The patterns are= not just seen using the Softrock SDR Rx but also with my JRC NRD-345, the only common device= is the Mini-Whip active antenna.

 

I seem to remember= some while ago comments on this LF Forum regarding that station carrying out some experiments= or tests involving digital data or something similar.

 

I= wonder if this is an effect of those tests as there were concerns that it may cause interference= on the 500kHz amateur band.

 

Capture attached.<= /span>

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO.

 

 

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Hi All,
 
Occasionally recently= I have been seeing strange patterns around the harmonic line received on= my SpecLab grabbers on 504kHz from the broadcast station at 252kHz.
 
The patterns are not ju= st seen using the Softrock SDR Rx but also with my JRC NRD-345, the only= common device is the Mini-Whip active antenna.
 
I seem to remember some= while ago comments on this LF Forum regarding that station carrying out= some experiments or tests involving digital data or something similar.
 
I wonder if this= is an effect of those tests as there were concerns that it may cause inte= rference on the 500kHz amateur band.
 
Capture attached.
 
73,
 
Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO.
 
 
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Click here! http://tagline.hushmail.com/fc/BLSrjkqa2NcAv3tcvjUWJnv5y0slGNEknhIqr08AIcV2c5jo2WCFvbuEXhG/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf01.mx.aol.com (rly-mf01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.171]) by air-mf03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMF034-93f4a68f4f9316; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:41:10 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF015-93f4a68f4f9316; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:40:43 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MU7t1-0006Ke-O1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:39:43 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MU7t1-0006KV-3k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:39:43 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.190] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MU7si-00074F-BP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:39:24 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3604.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9A7007000084 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 01:39:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.11.228]) by mwinf3604.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 5C9697000082 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 01:39:32 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090723233932379.5C9697000082@mwinf3604.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <49FC75F6A7D2439197581F10016D72AE@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <1MTixd-0cGXyK0@fwd00.t-online.de> <4A687388.4050801@usa.net> <1MU4lz-1dRfeq0@fwd10.t-online.de> <434E6E4F7AC64D8B995F684D832555DA@JimPC> In-Reply-To: <434E6E4F7AC64D8B995F684D832555DA@JimPC> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:39:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Loop discussion Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Jim, One disadvantage of a big loop is the (dc) voltage it collects, the 600 ft delta at gb4fpr has a habit of producing quite big arcs' if its not earthed ... and not just a small one at that!!. even on a fine sunny day ..it may be simply wind-age or perhaps ozone from the sea, may also account for the very high noise level as well ..? Being surrounded by salt water seems to be a case of 'all that glitters in not gold' 73 - G .. Ps - Interesting topic .. may solve the 'problem' -------------------------------------------------- From: "James Moritz" Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 12:23 AM To: Subject: Re: LF: Loop discussion > > Dear Ha-Jo, LF Group, > > The beauty of a large wire loop of several m^2 is that a high signal level > is produced, making tuning and matching non-critical, and so it is a very > simple and versatile antenna which works well over a wide frequency range. > My version of an outdoor wire loop tunable in the shack was the "Lazy > loop" - see http://www.wireless.org.uk/lazy.htm > > When you are trying to make a much smaller loop with essentially the same > performance, design is more critical due to the lower signal power > available > from the loop, so the technical details need to be studied, and the > solution > has to be more closely defined. But the end result is still simple - a > single turn loop, a transformer, a preamp. In the case of the bandpass > loops, a few inductors and capacitors do impedance matching and define the > passband. It is worth going to this trouble, because a compact, portable, > easily rotated loop that does the same job as a much bigger antenna is a > useful thing to have. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 9:20 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Loop discussion > > >> Dear James and Alberto, >> >> I must confess that my considerations were much simpler. I wanted to >> find a solution for an outside wire (normal litz wire for electric home >> wiring) loop for broadband reception and to transfer its received energy >> into the shack via a cable. Especially at VLF to MF cable losses are >> rather low. Furthermore I wanted to locate all electronic equipment in >> the shack only, no remote controls or similars. My solution is simple >> and is working according to my expectations. >> >> 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.26/2257 - Release Date: 07/23/09 > 18:00:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (rly-dg03.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.87]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDG053-5b24a5ef12c1b0; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 05:22:27 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG033-5b24a5ef12c1b0; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 05:21:49 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MRN8o-0003g0-0K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:20:38 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MRN8n-0003fr-Kg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 07-16-2009..info's f8boj Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060203040303090509060302" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------060203040303090509060302 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Claude , Henny , Warren , Yes the propagation is very good on 2200 in this July (it is in general=20 the worst month with August) 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj Claude Berthebaud a =E9crit : > 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18-07.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_lgmm/T+oIlj8P7m3BG1Qdw)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_lgmm/T+oIlj8P7m3BG1Qdw) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_2OGI94RkQlyJHM7siCAupA)" --Boundary_(ID_2OGI94RkQlyJHM7siCAupA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi LF, traces 137khz o2:30 utc henny pa3cpm 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: unid 18-07.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen 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Hi LF,
traces 137khz o2:30 utc
henny pa3cpm
73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
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(VPS 090714-0, 14/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Strong signal on 137775 ish Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Good evening John and the group I test qrss 30 and qrss 60 thank you for the proper control .. good evening Claude F8boj ========= ----- Original Message ----- From: "John RABSON" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 5:29 PM Subject: LF: Strong signal on 137775 ish Long dashes 40dB over QRN at 1525z. There was something similar on about this frequency at 0155z. It seemed to be modulated but I couldn't decode it. John F5VLF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db07.mx.aol.com (rly-db07.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.82]) by air-db06.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDB064-ad94a65e237258; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:43:58 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB077-ad94a65e237258; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:43:52 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTHUb-0008MV-Ea for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:43:01 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTHUa-0008MM-KG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:43:00 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.177]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTHUU-00044L-RP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:42:57 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-177-30-45.range86-177.btcentralplus.com [86.177.30.45]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKxQS-1MTHUN1x7j-000on1; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:42:49 +0200 From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:42:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4A65E1F4.24916.2384DF6@dave.davesergeant.com> In-reply-to: <20090721111004.NESLM.2165994.root@mp07> References: <57a24ca70907210620v6f208cf2t898ce58cab2e9776@mail.gmail.com>, <20090721111004.NESLM.2165994.root@mp07> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.51) Content-description: Mail message body X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19yqcJd8e2cO0C7iEi015A+nCbu16vtYQH+Bxa WMpiC54cyC1OTE36WW8e3JL+uwl7Dt3cTJOeNqp0d6SPJJQDTY 9UO+dbKSM5NuVSox5m079Sza8VZ3gYzmOxH0kaGYlY= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Loop (was Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On 21 Jul 2009 at 11:10, w1tag@charter.net wrote: > Just to add a little more information on LF transmitting loops: And don't forget all the stuff on my website from the days when I had a 136kHz loop - see link in signature. Those pages are incredibly dated now, not the nice appearance of the rest of my site, but it seems people still look at them, get loads of hits in my web logs so guess they are well embedded in Google. My loop was never that successful, but there again I am in a difficult QTH and only ran modest power (40W or so input). At least it gave me one of the RSGB '136kHz Awards' for working 5 countries. 73 Dave G3YMC http://www.davesergeant.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de07.mx.aol.com (rly-de07.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.143]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDE023-4ed4a4f4178342; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 07:48:30 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE076-4ed4a4f4178342; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 07:48:11 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MN3i2-0000wq-Sb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:47:10 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MN3i0-0000wh-6h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:47:08 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MN3hy-00086u-8k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:47:08 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlMFAOfcTkpOlqHl/2dsb2JhbACCJy2CFIR6gwMGvWeEEgU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.161.229]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 04 Jul 2009 12:42:57 +0100 Message-ID: <001401c9fc9c$938f2760$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:42:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: LF: Mc Coy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C9FCA4.F1BD9760" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C9FCA4.F1BD9760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all Does anyone have data for Mc Coy electronics XTAL OSCILLATOR MC137X7-0= 01W 10.000 MHz SN72758-126 This is a module and requires +5v, +15v sealed unit but has an adjuste= r and I expect the osc can be shifted slightly, but enough to be usefu= l for 500 Khz divided down. 73 mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C9FCA4.F1BD9760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all
Does anyone have data for Mc Coy elec= tronics XTAL=20 OSCILLATOR MC137X7-001W 10.000 MHz
SN72758-126
This is a module and requires +5v, +1= 5v sealed unit=20 but has an adjuster and I expect the osc can be shifted slightly, but= enough to=20 be useful for 500 Khz divided down.
73 mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C9FCA4.F1BD9760-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma03.mx.aol.com (rly-ma03.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.47]) by air-ma09.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMA094-89a4a4fe46a24b; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 19:23:32 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA034-89a4a4fe46a24b; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 19:23:24 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MNEZE-0002MI-TC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:22:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MNEZE-0002M9-FE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:22:48 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MNEZC-0001hI-RP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:22:47 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3527.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 091501C00083 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 01:22:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.36.131]) by mwinf3527.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id BC3641C00082 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 01:22:41 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090704232241771.BC3641C00082@mwinf3527.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <908B19DF06BE4ECEB3A61470A89BEFA8@Black> <20090703100648.865C531E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <20090703113546.640D731E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be>,<09DF43BF4A974C1D80DF9BC90E77B1E3@AGB> In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 00:22:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: RE: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01C9FD06.AC72B700" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C9FD06.AC72B700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Rik Did you call us ?=20 73 Graham=20 From: Rik Strobbe=20 Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:50 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: RE: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS Good 559 copy at 21:40 UTC EI0CF also 559 beaconing at the bottom end 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org] namens Graham [g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk] Verzonden: zaterdag 4 juli 2009 20:34 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT 4 july ROUND 1930 ONWARDS Operating on 502.00 khz cw ,=20 RX 502 kx +/- also rx on 3533 / 7033 cw - cross band =20 Possibly operating till round 2400 hrs=20 qsl GB4FPR@HOTMAIL.CO.UK=20 Reports welcome=20 Tnx- Graham=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.3/2216 - Release Date: 07/03= /09 05:53:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C9FD06.AC72B700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Rik
 
Did you call us ?
 
73 Graham

Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:50 PM
Subject: LF: RE: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930=20 ONWARDS

Good 559= copy at 21:40=20 UTC
EI0CF also 559 beaconing= at the bottom=20 end
 
73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T=
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Graham=20 [g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk]
Verzonden: zaterdag 4 juli 2009=20 20:34
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp:=20 LF: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS

 GB4FPR  502.00 KHZ TONIGHT=   4 july=20 ROUND 1930  ONWARDS
 
Operating on 502.00  khz cw ,
 
RX 502 kx +/-  also rx on = 3533 /=20 7033  cw -  cross band 
 
Possibly operating till  round&n= bsp; 2400 hrs=20
 
 
Reports welcome
 
Tnx- Graham
 
 
 
 

 <= /DIV>


No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG= -=20 www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.3/2216 - Rel= ease Date:=20 07/03/09 05:53:00
------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C9FD06.AC72B700-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (rly-dc06.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.35]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC043-b294a5e11261e9; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:26:23 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC065-b294a5e11261e9; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:25:59 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MR8Dx-0007rm-9Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:24:57 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MR8Dw-0007rd-Ry for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:24:56 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MR8Dl-0006eg-Cu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:24:46 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjIFAKStXUpZ8+kH/2dsb2JhbACCJy2CG4gOBsY9hAkF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.243.233.7]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 18:24:28 +0100 Message-ID: <00ad01ca0571$1b5132b0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <001001ca046e$24db0e90$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <005401ca051d$61bbd290$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:24:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: TM R836 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CA0579.7C928800" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CA0579.7C928800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MF This is a hard RX to get info about. Hi spec rx with 14 tubes and 2 RF= stages. Searching on the web indicates pages that are not available. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 8:25 AM Subject: LF: Re: TM R836 Installed in C130 aircraft, if you happen to own one. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:30 AM Subject: LF: TM R836 TM or cct details for ARC R836/ARN, LF DF receiver 190 - 1750 khz= needed if anyone can help. It looks like it could be useful for 500= khzx. 73 de mal/g3kev ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.13/2237 - Release Date:= 07/14/09 05:56:00 ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.14/2238 - Release Date: 07= /14/09 18:03:00 ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CA0579.7C928800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MF
This is a hard RX to get info about.= Hi spec rx=20 with 14 tubes and 2 RF stages.
Searching on the web indicates pages= that are not=20 available.
mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 200= 9 8:25=20 AM
Subject: LF: Re: TM R836

Installed in C130 aircraft, if you= happen to own=20 one.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 200= 9 11:30=20 AM
Subject: LF: TM R836

TM or cct details for ARC R836/AR= N, LF DF=20 receiver 190 - 1750 khz needed if anyone can help. It looks like= it could be=20 useful for 500 khzx.
73 de mal/g3kev
 


No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by= AVG - www.avg.com
Versio= n: 8.5.375 / Virus=20 Database: 270.13.13/2237 - Release Date: 07/14/09 05:56:00


No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AV= G -=20 www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.14/2238 -= Release=20 Date: 07/14/09 18:03:00
------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01CA0579.7C928800-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (rly-dc04.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.33]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC084-b184a64c2604f; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:15:56 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC044-b184a64c2604f; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:15:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MSyJW-0005NT-I4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:14:18 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MSyJW-0005NK-3e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:14:18 +0100 Received: from smtp27.orange.fr ([80.12.242.96]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MSyJS-0004EL-4U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:14:16 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf2716.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 99AE41C0016D for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:14:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf2716.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8AED71C000E9 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:14:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from acer9412 (ARouen-256-1-75-250.w90-22.abo.wanadoo.fr [90.22.2.250]) by mwinf2716.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 416DD1C0018F for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:14:06 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090720191406268.416DD1C0018F@mwinf2716.orange.fr Message-ID: From: "F6CWN" To: References: <12821.82.161.81.65.1248110576.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:14:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: LF: Re: IC7200 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Good night Roelof, If I did not make a mistake, there is a message as you straight. 73: Jeff F6CWN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roelof Bakker" To: Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 5:22 PM Subject: LF: IC7200 > > Hello all, > > I am looking for information on the LF receiver performance of the new > ICOM IC7200 transceiver. There seems to be a review in the June issue of > QST. > I don't have direct access to QST. Is there someone who has access to QST > and can tell me if anything has been said about receiver sensitivity below > 500 kHz? > > Even better is there someone on this list with first hands experience? > > Thank you in advance. > > Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db01.mx.aol.com (rly-db01.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.76]) by air-db05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDB051-aa44a5b02f8387; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 05:48:59 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB012-aa44a5b02f8387; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 05:48:43 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MQI83-0007Xa-Vd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:47:23 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MQI83-0007XR-Hb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:47:23 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-4-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.55]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MQI7u-0004jd-1h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:47:14 +0100 X-Trace: 225314753/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.66.227/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.66.227 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvYEAHKfWkpYakLj/2dsb2JhbACCKStYh1eFBoYwtCIJhAAF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,389,1243810800"; d="jpg'145?scan'145,208,217,145";a="225314753" Received: from 88-106-66-227.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.66.227]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 13 Jul 2009 10:47:16 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF -RSGB LF Group" Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:47:22 +0100 Message-ID: <005901ca039e$ec39af80$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcoDnurw1XkAfq8ZTsGb1lPZYs0IgQ== X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: UNID 500kHz Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005A_01CA03A7.4DFE1780" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01CA03A7.4DFE1780 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_005B_01CA03A7.4DFE1780" ------=_NextPart_001_005B_01CA03A7.4DFE1780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi LF, Looking at my overnight grabber saves I have this capture of a signal just a little lower that SK6RUD at about 499.900kHz. I don't recall seeing it before, can anyone ID it please. It looks to have been audible but I was not around at that time. I have a capture of a similar signal from late December 2008, I think that was sending "HNY" or similar. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO. ------=_NextPart_001_005B_01CA03A7.4DFE1780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi LF,

 

Looking at my overn= ight grabber saves I have this capture of a signal just a little lower that SK6RUD at about 499.900kHz. I don’t recall seeing it before, can anyone ID it pl= ease.

 

It looks to have be= en audible but I was not around at that time.

 

I have a capture of= a similar signal from late December 2008, I think that was sending “HNY” or simi= lar.

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO.

 

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G2p3cLQVM1miwaISJNkO6_jz6c1Hnh_2GRKegbO4Yl_Eh6_9LyRVFWcIodBbP5xiPAwhdFQJZZFjmT9aWqgxwAOWzVK6xcRJA_GPfNGp0WDi6bkoq.8gOnJXiFxNtf52QDBs.BFjt3VILGl69JP7FQslT.phT71lUtLcRbniG85IMzjvSK6rYQjfW1uKw7PmTy3tuvlD60d0VsjWPiL7O5njgKz1EtdgCbNGvk8b16tXSlFcwD7xm58d_GYPdpKC1gIIHj1Wm2Z58d34L_fMJKexykoWqW_28JpuVhdJ.bh9B.izDmspDSP5ujxdviwG0tLgD3D2ro4Fr_UuQ6lW9tv_dGL4pIGIu9kI04FD6.h.INdwzg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <619D59A9B6FC4D4ABDD81D32FBB2A180@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 20:32:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: Fw: [SEML] Unusually Deep Solar Minimum (aka A Tale of Two Suns) Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-7"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi everyone, I thought this may be of interest, it came from one of my Total Solar Eclipse sites. 73 Ken M0KHW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Ayiomamitis" To: "Solar Eclipse Mailing List" Cc: "Jay Pasachoff" Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 3:09 PM Subject: [SEML] Unusually Deep Solar Minimum (aka A Tale of Two Suns) > Dear group, > > Who stole the sunspots?! Where have they gone?! > > As noted by Dr Phillips (SpaceWeather), "As of March 31st, there were no > sunspots on 78 of the year's 90 days (87%)." (see > http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009/01apr_deepsolarminimum.htm?list5796 ) > and this a continuation of 2008 where 266 days were characterized without > any sunspot activity (same reference). > > For an interesting collage of two images spaced precisely four years apart > and which is a perfect representation of what is happening (actually NOT > happening) with Sol at this moment, I kindly direct you to > http://www.perseus.gr/Astro-Solar-Scenes-Deep-Minimum-2005-2009.htm . More > specifically, one of the two component images in the collage is from July > 5th, 2005 and which documents the sample rich activity which is > characteristic of the sun during non-minimum periods. The second component > image in the collage is from July 5th, 2009 and is most characteristic of > the blank sun which has become the norm and status quo. Please remember to > click on the hyperlinked image which really brings the message forth in a > higher analysis rendition of the same result. > > Some research suggests this lack of sunspot activity impacts the levels of > UV in our atmosphere and which in turn impact the development of clouds. > Certainly winters have been unusually severe and it seems each and every > winter manages to find a way to be worse than the previous one. > > Let's hope for at least sunspot grouping on July 22nd so that we can focus > our prized toys directed at the sun ... along with good weather and great > transparency! > > Anthony. > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SEML/ > > <*> Your email settings: > Individual Email | Traditional > > <*> To change settings online go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SEML/join > (Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da05.mx.aol.com (rly-da05.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.79]) by air-da06.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDA062-a6c4a6438e0156; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 05:29:23 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da05.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA054-a6c4a6438e0156; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 05:29:08 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MSp9i-0003ok-Po for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:27:34 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MSp9i-0003ob-0w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:27:34 +0100 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MSp9e-0008QU-6I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:27:32 +0100 Received: (qmail 2119 invoked by uid 507); 20 Jul 2009 11:27:12 +0200 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2009 11:27:12 +0200 Message-ID: <200907201127160920.105049C2@smtp2.numeo.fr> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:27:16 +0200 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: OT: Racal SA33 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 I have a Racal SA33 frequency converter, which uses RA 17 technology to su= btract 1 to 29 MHz from the input frequency for feeding to a frequency cou= nter. It seems to have been designed in the era when most frequency count= ers did not go above 1 MHz. It has been fitted with an internal 1 MHz ref= erence. It has not been used for more than 30 years, so it may be of more interest= to a collector. Nevertheless, if anyone is interested will they please= let me know. The equipment is at present at my house in Suffolk. I have a couple of pages of circuitry. 73 John F5VLF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc12.mx.aol.com (rly-mc12.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.96]) by air-mc03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMC031-db04a60648c236; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:46:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc12.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC128-db04a60648c236; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:46:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MRlra-0001g8-In for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:44:30 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MRlrZ-0001fz-Q6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:44:29 +0100 Received: from psmtp31.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.33]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MRlrW-0002KC-Hu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:44:28 +0100 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp31.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KMX00BELCLDV2@psmtp31.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:44:01 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:43:57 +0200 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: xgj 17-07.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Q/oKSE/RQb2GShdiFgoAMw)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_Q/oKSE/RQb2GShdiFgoAMw) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_SmbonJlYCP6BgpdFYrZRAQ)" --Boundary_(ID_SmbonJlYCP6BgpdFYrZRAQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Warren,Lf traces XGJ Henny pa3cpm 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: xgj 17-07.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTcEj-00044r-L7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:52:03 +0100 Received: from fwd10.aul.t-online.de by mailout11.t-online.de with smtp id 1MTcEi-0000Ri-03; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 15:52:00 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.22] (ThwFagZerh2W+V0ZX69l4bJjcxkCttFyZU+fx1PIEoahFktkoKSFxEnZxA3uN1iwd+@[93.196.35.86]) by fwd10.t-online.de with esmtp id 1MTcEO-1SeuiO0; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 15:51:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de To: X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 6.08.0003 Date: 22 Jul 2009 13:51 GMT Message-ID: <1MTcEO-1SeuiO0@fwd10.t-online.de> X-ID: ThwFagZerh2W+V0ZX69l4bJjcxkCttFyZU+fx1PIEoahFktkoKSFxEnZxA3uN1iwd+ X-TOI-MSGID: 39bb9fed-f2e7-4fce-a1ca-0f2a1d8e2572 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Loop (was Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear John, I am sorry, but I do not see your problems. I do NOT tune my loop. The loop is feeding a transformer, its secondary is connected to a cable into the shack to the receiver or the preselector. The inductivity of my loop is 30uH; forming an triangle with lengths of 2 m, 7,5m and 7,5 m, the 2 m vertically near the house, the other end is fastened to a tree. Minimum height of the loop is about 2,5 meters, just that people can walk below. That is all. I am pleased with this design for receiving and do not see any needs for improvements. For comparison I have set up a two turn triangle loop made of twin-lead mains cable, each side 1,80 m in length, which also gave an inductivty of about 30uH, to fit to the same transformer. As its area was only 1/4 of the larger loop I have not been surprised to see that the received VLF to MF signals were two S-units down, compared to the larger loop. I can also listen on VLF to MF using either a passive T-antenna via a 9:1 unun or an active antenna and make comparisons. As most of VLF to MF activity here in Europe originates north of my QTH I am using the untuned loop pointing to the north in most cases. I should add that I am living in a rural area. In spite of this the T-antenna downlead had to be placed at least 5 meters from the house, for not picking up noise from the mains. The unun is placed below the downlead and grounded there, and a cable is going into the shack. 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "John Andrews" schrieb: > Ha-Jo, > > That's one way to look at it, and a valid approach. But consider another > example: > > Suppose you have a single-turn loop that has an (arbitrary) impedance of > 0.1 +j10 ohms at a frequency of interest, and you desire to make it look > like a 10-turn tuned loop. A 1:10 transformer will provide the same > voltage step-up as a 10-turn loop, and will ideally step the impedance > up by 10^2 = 100, giving you 10 +j1000 ohms. You would then have an > option of series or parallel tuning the loop on either side of the > transformer. The secondary side is much nicer for our use than the > primary side. Parallel tuning would be a good choice into a hi-z input > preamp. Series tuning would leave you with the 10 ohm resistance, which > you could then step up to the characteristic impedance of your line, or > leave at a lower value if BW were an issue. > > In the above case, I'd suggest a primary inductance on the transformer > of 5X the magnitude of the loop impedance, but your 4X would probably > do. Leakage reactance is pretty much inevitable, and will throw things > off a bit. > > There's all sorts of ways to approach this, depending on your desire for > tuning, etc. But I just wanted to point out that the much simpler single > turn construction can work just as well as multi-turn. > > John, W1TAG > > > hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de wrote: > > Dear John, LF, > > > > I would like especially to comment on using a one winding loop combined > > with a step-up transformer: > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf08.mx.aol.com (rly-mf08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.178]) by air-mf04.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMF041-97a4a4dd8b376; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 06:09:14 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF088-97a4a4dd8b376; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 06:08:56 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MMffZ-0001WD-Qp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:07:01 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MMffZ-0001W4-3j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:07:01 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MMffX-0004LJ-Ep for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:07:01 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BBFF51C00E for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 12:06:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 865C531E702 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 12:06:48 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:07:06 +0200 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <908B19DF06BE4ECEB3A61470A89BEFA8@Black> References: <908B19DF06BE4ECEB3A61470A89BEFA8@Black> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090703100648.865C531E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_11861972==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_11861972==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Jeff, Marcus, STGW30NC60WD has a turnoff delay of 120ns. Turn on delay and rise / fall times are better than 30ns. That should be good enough for 137kHz, maybe even for 500kHz. It further has a max. Collector-Emitter Voltage of 600V, max. Collector Current of 60A (200A pulsed), max.. dissipation of 200W and a saturation voltage of 2V (@20A). Looks like a good "workhorse" for those who want to experiment with IGBT's. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 22:05 26/06/2009, you wrote: >Dear Jeff, > >havn't actually tried it myself on 137 kHz. But from past experience >I'd say that while IGBTs may have less DC loss, they are much slower >(especially during turnoff). They can be used as effient switches at >some tens of kHz, whereas MOSFETs will easily go up to several MHz. > >Kind regards, >Markus, DF6NM > >----- Original Message ----- >From: F6CWN >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:37 PM >Subject: LF: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? > >Good night to all, > >Anybody would have any experience on the use of IGBT in 136 KHz amplifiers? >Thanks in advance! >73: Jeff / F6CWN > --=====================_11861972==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Jeff, Marcus,

STGW30NC60WD has a turnoff delay of 120ns. Turn on delay and rise / fall times are better than 30ns.
That should be good enough for 137kHz, maybe even for 500kHz.
It further has a max. Collector-Emitter Voltage of 600V, max. Collector Current of 60A (200A pulsed), max.. dissipation of 200W and a saturation voltage of 2V (@20A).
Looks like a good "workhorse" for those who want to experiment with IGBT's.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T


At 22:05 26/06/2009, you wrote:
Dear Jeff,
 
havn't actually tried it myself on 137 kHz. But from past experience I'd say that while IGBTs may have less DC loss, they are much slower (especially during turnoff). They can be used as effient switches at some tens of kHz, whereas MOSFETs will easily go up to several MHz.
 
Kind regards,
Markus, DF6NM
 
----- Original Message -----
From: F6CWN
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:37 PM
Subject: LF: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?

Good night to all,
 
Anybody would have any experience on the use of IGBT in 136 KHz amplifiers?
Thanks in advance!
73: Jeff / F6CWN
 
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Hi Jean-Pierre,LF
Strong signal and nice capture,
Henny pa3cpm
Best 73s
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Received: from smtp812.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.72]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MS6JJ-00069g-8k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 10:34:29 +0100 Received: (qmail 76711 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2009 09:34:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=um1xovFDN8K++omyF2ER4Tl6F41PYVT/FVmaQQ4HcPUG24IshsURAw5i/GC4SZCBpoicSTT1a1I4GKVzWGMS7wqXt9y3bNp9gh3uh6sFumHMEAmwCpciN5VhEYiGmXDfF/Ks3ASwjf2kU2NSrpkQEwyo7+Yc48XLOZ5LiRfz3po= ; Received: from unknown (HELO fred) (c.ashby435@86.164.115.222 with login) by smtp812.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2009 09:34:34 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9STUSnaswBBSd6nO_2gAC20jmYlWRjmg8d5iYd8s.rl181aR6Sw- X-YMail-OSG: b2rizowVM1mbH3vVRL_GhJjddKm_VZxAH9zFP0TXuYk9lvMBGBN0reUp.RrXoeLIPqECC9lf3LwEsYFY7cT9RVEH4QnZHhO.wmCyEz7w1w22gJ2ygd6paAZGzxYylmF0.OrRfOZb65xFCS0AVBN5PSCWueH5PEyeXcNWPGGMNVwYZSyDZQL1ydEsg7i4og1ESbHG.cnFqCTFphXO8thnmINrWY9HjqfmRdbGsV1zlCbDnLQ_o9e7vX3hEXcGSfjtc67SkCZzEjzxXB85pmIqUGhp7CEmW0wbVSMM4i1mSP7smfEf4PjpBDeB X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <000d01ca078b$1f11f6c0$0201a8c0@home> From: "Chris" To: References: <001901ca0721$1062dc30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <1d8f89cf0907171558r463f8bd7k509fb34f1238e74c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 10:35:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: 6M Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thule" To: Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 11:58 PM Subject: Re: LF: 6M > 2009/7/17 mal hamilton said: > > > I worked a few for some CW practice. > > Good, you could do with some.... > What a ridiculous comment. I listened to Mal on CW on 500KHz the other afternoon and it was well up with the best I've heard. Chris, G4AYT. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me09.mx.aol.com (rly-me09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.43]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINME013-9da4a69ae0c7c; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 08:50:42 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me09.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME096-9da4a69ae0c7c; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 08:50:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MUKCi-0007Sa-0N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:48:52 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MUKCh-0007SR-FX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:48:51 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MUKCc-0001KX-Sr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:48:49 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3502.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 681E67000085 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:48:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.11.184]) by mwinf3502.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id DD8BE7000084 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:48:36 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090724124836907.DD8BE7000084@mwinf3502.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <1MTixd-0cGXyK0@fwd00.t-online.de> <4A687388.4050801@usa.net> <1MU4lz-1dRfeq0@fwd10.t-online.de> <434E6E4F7AC64D8B995F684D832555DA@JimPC> <49FC75F6A7D2439197581F10016D72AE@AGB> <000201ca0bfb$db158d40$0b01a8c0@weazle> In-Reply-To: <000201ca0bfb$db158d40$0b01a8c0@weazle> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:48:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Loop discussion Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ok JB The loop is a equilateral triangle 'flat', running about 90 feet above the sea level , each side is 200 feet , with the feed at the apex of the south - east side, opposite is the 'base' running approx , north east /south west. Total cable length just over 600 feet , 35 amp insulated mains cable was used, as we had a roll and it keeps the salt spray off the wire The voltage build up seems to be more of a problem with the loop, not sue as to the final pd , but it gives a good flash and already has sent one chap across the room .and that was on a fine sunny day ... the wire to the light house, 680 feet, is still in place .. amazingly ... doesn't seem to have the same static build up problem .. still charges but no where near as much The main use of the loop to date has been tx/rx on the HF ham bands fed from a balanced tuner and rx on 500, with one end grounded and the other direct to the rx ... this produces quite a high level of noise, next is to try a small tuner with loop coupling to float the array . We have not yet transmitted on the loop at 500 but the rx tuner should handle the 50 watts so we can take a signal reading at G4WGT grabber. The marine tx is looking for a very low Z feed so any Ae coupling tends to be step up , the long wire is tuned with a parallel tuner , sort of 160 mtr fashion. We did initially try a conventional loaded vertical system, however as the Fort is 1000's of tons of sandstone rock it was difficult to tune the system with 'no' earth as such , the loop was installed to take its place, then we found that the lighthouse was owned by the owner of the fort ...one of those 'oh that's handy moments' http://uk500khz.googlegroups.com/web/gb4f.jpg 73 - G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 2:12 AM To: Subject: Re: LF: Loop discussion > > Hi Graham, > > Would you kindly pass along some details of the GB4FPR delta loop? > I've been using one here with a perimeter of 333 feet for several years > now for receiving purposes in the range 160 to 530 kHz. A binocular > core with a 1:2 turns ratio at one of the bottom corners provides the > step-up to the RG-6U coax to the receiver. I've no problems with > static charges or arcs (so far), but I have thought of putting some > high value resistors from the loop ends to ground. > > 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL > Solar and wind powered > Lowfer " EAR" 188.830 > EN93dr > > http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.26/2257 - Release Date: 07/23/09 > 18:00:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md09.mx.aol.com (rly-md09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.147]) by air-md09.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMD093-9274a5eec4c1e; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 05:01:27 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md09.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD097-9274a5eec4c1e; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 05:01:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MRMor-0003V0-5O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:00:01 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MRMoq-0003Ur-P1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:00:00 +0100 Received: from smtp21.services.sfr.fr ([93.17.128.2]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MRMoe-0003KT-Hm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:59:49 +0100 Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2107.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7203B700008A for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:59:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from euro7g1ku6dl5q (21.171.87-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.87.171.21]) by msfrf2107.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with SMTP id C438D7000084 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:59:47 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20090716085947803.C438D7000084@msfrf2107.sfr.fr Message-ID: <001e01ca05f3$c5589870$0201a8c0@euro7g1ku6dl5q> From: "Claude Berthebaud" To: References: <32A397601B41446080BDA56C913775B5@ns94d01ae4d850> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:59:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090716-0, 16/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: XGJ 07-16-2009..info's f8boj Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA0604.88762380" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA0604.88762380 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_001B_01CA0604.88762380" ------=_NextPart_001_001B_01CA0604.88762380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Warren,LF group Very good copy this morning with L inverted antenna and my yaesu FT990= =20 pleasure=20 Claude F8boj ------=_NextPart_001_001B_01CA0604.88762380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Warren,LF group
Very good co= py this morning=20 with L inverted antenna and my yaesu FT990
pleasure
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<1358EE293D424CDBA415F27A62E80F42@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <1MTixd-0cGXyK0@fwd00.t-online.de> <4A687388.4050801@usa.net> <1MU4lz-1dRfeq0@fwd10.t-online.de> <434E6E4F7AC64D8B995F684D832555DA@JimPC> <49FC75F6A7D2439197581F10016D72AE@AGB> <000201ca0bfb$db158d40$0b01a8c0@weazle> <000401ca0c61$8bff3600$0b01a8c0@weazle> In-Reply-To: <000401ca0c61$8bff3600$0b01a8c0@weazle> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:32:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Loop discussion Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 JB, Well if you over this way, you can stay in the light house , it used to be rented out as a novelty venue, ... Now there is a idea, just add a cushcraft vertical and a hf t/r , instant /P holiday home and you can operate the 500 set up under 'supervision' as its licensed as a club station 73n - G .. -------------------------------------------------- From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 2:20 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Loop discussion > > Hi Graham, LFers, > > Thanks for the reply with the details. I'm jealous of the site you've > got there. In addition to being a radio nut, I'm also a lighthouse > nut, having as many pix and models of lighthouses in the shack > as I do radios! > > My wife is Welsh, so if we're ever back home I just might have to > pay you a visit and see it for myself. > > 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL > Solar and wind powered > Lowfer " EAR" 188.830 > EN93dr > > http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.27/2258 - Release Date: 07/24/09 > 05:58:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df07.mx.aol.com (rly-df07.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.20]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDF084-5624a5d84fc32f; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 03:28:14 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF073-5624a5d84fc32f; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 03:27:57 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MQysi-000595-60 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 08:26:24 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MQysf-00058w-EJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 08:26:21 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MQysc-0003s3-56 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 08:26:20 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjIFAGchXUpZ8rjv/2dsb2JhbACCJy2CG4gOBsQVhAkF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.242.184.239]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 08:25:08 +0100 Message-ID: <005401ca051d$61bbd290$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <001001ca046e$24db0e90$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 08:25:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: LF: Re: TM R836 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0051_01CA0525.BF32B260" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01CA0525.BF32B260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Installed in C130 aircraft, if you happen to own one. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:30 AM Subject: LF: TM R836 TM or cct details for ARC R836/ARN, LF DF receiver 190 - 1750 khz ne= eded if anyone can help. It looks like it could be useful for 500 khzx= . 73 de mal/g3kev ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.13/2237 - Release Date: 07= /14/09 05:56:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01CA0525.BF32B260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Installed in C130 aircraft, if you ha= ppen to own=20 one.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009= 11:30=20 AM
Subject: LF: TM R836

TM or cct details for ARC R836/ARN,= LF DF=20 receiver 190 - 1750 khz needed if anyone can help. It looks like it= could be=20 useful for 500 khzx.
73 de mal/g3kev
 


No virus found in this incoming message.
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------=_NextPart_000_0051_01CA0525.BF32B260-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md04.mx.aol.com (rly-md04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.142]) by air-md09.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMD094-8fd4a60e5ea3ca; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:58:25 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD045-8fd4a60e5ea3ca; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:58:21 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MRuUD-0004S0-KF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 21:56:57 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MRuUD-0004Rr-5Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 21:56:57 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MRuU0-0003S0-1s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 21:56:44 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq8EAMeBYEpZ8Y93/2dsb2JhbACCKCyCG4gZBsQ+hA0F Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.241.143.119]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2009 21:56:32 +0100 Message-ID: <001901ca0721$1062dc30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 21:56:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 6M Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01CA0729.717950F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01CA0729.717950F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nothintg doing on LF/MF tonite but 6M is wide open all around EU. Noth= ing like a change. Some vy strong signals. I worked a few for some CW practice. 73 mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01CA0729.717950F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nothintg doing on LF/MF tonite but 6M= is wide open=20 all around EU. Nothing like a change.
Some vy strong signals. I worked a fe= w for some CW=20 practice.
73 mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01CA0729.717950F0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc05.mx.aol.com (rly-dc05.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.34]) by air-dc09.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC094-b214a6599a433a; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:34:40 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc05.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC055-b214a6599a433a; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:34:17 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTCeN-00074f-3a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:32:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTCeM-00074W-LG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:32:46 +0100 Received: from mailex.atlas.pipex.net ([194.154.164.64]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTCe5-0005Ox-Sg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:32:30 +0100 Received: from [62.249.237.217] (helo=daddave) by mail10.atlas.pipex.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTCeI-0004tR-Bb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:32:42 +0100 From: "Michael Probert GW4HXO" To: Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:31:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcoJ65d0PhMV+AtRSCSe+8aNIIowGAAACzdg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Message-Id: Subject: LF: RTE 1 504khz harmonic Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA09F6.DD19F0B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA09F6.DD19F0B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello group, The transmitter is located about 30miles NW of Dublin and is mainly a sea path down to my qth. The 2nd harmonic presence seems to vary from time to time and does not depend on which antenna I use, either pa0rdt or 20m top loaded vertical. Gary,not sure how close to the coast you are but maybe it is directly across the water from you. 73 Mike GW4HXO. _____ http://www.waniewski.de ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA09F6.DD19F0B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello group,

 

The transmitter= is located about 30miles NW of Dublin and is mainly a sea path down to my qth. The 2nd harmonic presence seems to vary from time to time and does not depend= on which antenna I use, either pa0rdt or 20m top loaded vertical.

 

Gary,not sure how close to the coast you are but maybe it is directly across the water from you.<= o:p>

 

73

 

Mike GW4HXO.

 

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA09F6.DD19F0B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de04.mx.aol.com (rly-de04.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.140]) by air-de02.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDE024-4cb4a6c97f019b; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 13:53:06 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE042-4cb4a6c97f019b; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 13:52:49 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MV7sm-0005JZ-6J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:51:36 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MV7sl-0005JQ-KP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:51:35 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.53]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MV7sg-0004D0-RU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:51:33 +0100 X-Trace: 235927993/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.72.80/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.72.80 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhIFAOozbEpYakhQ/2dsb2JhbACCVCIBNVqHBoUuihqxagmEBAU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,272,1246834800"; d="scan'208,217";a="235927993" Received: from 88-106-72-80.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.72.80]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 26 Jul 2009 18:51:27 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <004e01ca0e08$4e2b7ac0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:51:27 +0100 Message-ID: <009501ca0e19$b3045fa0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <004e01ca0e08$4e2b7ac0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcoOCLo0xbsxLoDTTHKskuK0T+II7QAEEQ+Q X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: RE: BEACON Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0096_01CA0E22.14C8C7A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01CA0E22.14C8C7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mal, EI0CF beacon received here at good strength & If you look, Finbar's beacon can be seen on both UK grabbers (G4WGT & G3YXM). Gary - G4WGT. _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 26 July 2009 16:47 To: rsgb Subject: LF: BEACON EI0CF QTH EJM in beacon mode. Am I the only one receiving this beacon. What about the grabbers? de g3kev I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01CA0E22.14C8C7A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Mal,

 

EI0CF beacon received here at good strength & If you look, Finbar’= s beacon can be seen on both UK grabbers (G4WGT & G3YXM).=

 

Gary – G4WGT.

 

From:= owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] On Behalf Of m= al hamilton<= /st1:City>
Sent: 26 July 2009 16:4= 7
To: rsgb
Subject: LF: BEACON

 

EI0CF QTH EJM in beacon mode.

Am I the only one receiving this beacon= . What about the grabbers?

de g3kev

 

 
I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean.
It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter
------=_NextPart_000_0096_01CA0E22.14C8C7A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (rly-mf07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.177]) by air-mf05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMF051-9724a68f15c45; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:25:28 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF078-9724a68f15c45; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:25:18 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MU7dr-0006Dd-7C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:24:03 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MU7dq-0006DU-Qn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:24:02 +0100 Received: from smtp822.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MU7dY-0006zd-0q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:23:44 +0100 Received: (qmail 53084 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2009 23:23:54 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=1WZEPxaZolky/qhWFZrDMSU74F+devB/mg6VLhGg5PzMpp7uOm+csFElZy89jFTkJK5uVDf6pzkmyD1lkKEhZvy/RU8i58P1RtlMjG9o1zPD/DezJ6ej97261S2SjArZU89/NTEy+6bm9nrpT3j5J60zAm/JfbCmbOAEw7fc5xc= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.9.149 with login) by smtp822.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2009 23:23:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: aQ4eyY4VM1ns9X_v4gkpYr1I1i21AbCkHwARSDyeTD1_D_Z4PRG..KrWZ1_Bka9fE2c.o05GL6iO_sZxB7gky9FAmjNbM7n4mWtdDva4V.utztMew85OMZFuTv59ZRkbtqiIfHWj60K.5j2pYad7ffsmdugXKxP3z39WdYolZ_1nBiQwklU6wItLmjOqFXmetxJVeJbeXXKl5TkuuPufC90YuXsSiSZnHtfuKV5qyV4cfqFgXLHZ4qboLcTnpidy2fgviNX37La5hknzybUSjzYJBgHlBYOyhNPvZm24Igyta6olXmbxVH7FWjs2ywPRmMU84pZEClyq7O6mEszd X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <434E6E4F7AC64D8B995F684D832555DA@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <1MTixd-0cGXyK0@fwd00.t-online.de> <4A687388.4050801@usa.net> <1MU4lz-1dRfeq0@fwd10.t-online.de> In-Reply-To: <1MU4lz-1dRfeq0@fwd10.t-online.de> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:23:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Loop discussion Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Ha-Jo, LF Group, The beauty of a large wire loop of several m^2 is that a high signal level is produced, making tuning and matching non-critical, and so it is a very simple and versatile antenna which works well over a wide frequency range. My version of an outdoor wire loop tunable in the shack was the "Lazy loop" - see http://www.wireless.org.uk/lazy.htm When you are trying to make a much smaller loop with essentially the same performance, design is more critical due to the lower signal power available from the loop, so the technical details need to be studied, and the solution has to be more closely defined. But the end result is still simple - a single turn loop, a transformer, a preamp. In the case of the bandpass loops, a few inductors and capacitors do impedance matching and define the passband. It is worth going to this trouble, because a compact, portable, easily rotated loop that does the same job as a much bigger antenna is a useful thing to have. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 9:20 PM Subject: Re: LF: Loop discussion > Dear James and Alberto, > > I must confess that my considerations were much simpler. I wanted to > find a solution for an outside wire (normal litz wire for electric home > wiring) loop for broadband reception and to transfer its received energy > into the shack via a cable. Especially at VLF to MF cable losses are > rather low. Furthermore I wanted to locate all electronic equipment in > the shack only, no remote controls or similars. My solution is simple > and is working according to my expectations. > > 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (rly-mg02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.108]) by air-mg04.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMG043-9fa4a6f8c71236; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 19:40:45 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG024-9fa4a6f8c71236; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 19:40:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MVwGD-0001Xe-MZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:39:09 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MVwGD-0001XV-73 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:39:09 +0100 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MVwFp-0003TA-RE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:38:46 +0100 Received: (qmail 17823 invoked by uid 0); 28 Jul 2009 23:38:58 -0000 Received: from 85.178.108.90 by www063.gmx.net with HTTP; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 01:38:57 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 01:38:57 +0200 From: "Dennis" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090728233857.137970@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Authenticated: #4122078 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18LgypF5KsLFyDS659shUvaxzGfHDr1Q4gJDyDXb6 MCsaiXGo061QBMm4m4Dmz+gKO8ZTYOXKYzYg== X-GMX-UID: KbtafpByTiE+bK2EWWRwLx59ZUVSRNep X-FuHaFi: 0.53 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: LF: Licence of OK0EMW Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Lubos! Great! Hope to hear from You / Your beacon soon :) vy73 Dennis Berlin city -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:21:49 +0200 > Von: Lubos OK2BVG > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: LF: Licence of OK0EMW > > Hello all LF! > I am glad, that I can tell you good news: > > The licence of my beacon OK0EMW was extended to 13.8.2010. > > OK0EMW is active on its fixed freq 505.060kHz with 1W ERP. All reports are > welcome! > > 73! > > Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS, Breclav, The Czech Republic > > -- Jetzt kostenlos herunterladen: Internet Explorer 8 und Mozilla Firefox 3 - sicherer, schneller und einfacher! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/atbrowser From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (rly-ma07.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.51]) by air-ma08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMA083-8bc4a689cd5282; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:25:22 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA076-8bc4a689cd5282; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:24:39 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MU218-0005Ge-Vp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:23:42 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MU218-0005GV-Dy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:23:42 +0100 Received: from psmtp13.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.25]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MU214-0000hT-6j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:23:40 +0100 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp13.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KN800LFNWB6SW@psmtp13.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:23:30 +0200 (MEST) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:23:20 +0200 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: XGJ 23-07.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_pJKAU1tD9Sl8erCnfaytQg)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_pJKAU1tD9Sl8erCnfaytQg) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_gfC2nFy0HKmgPnDxm8rzuQ)" --Boundary_(ID_gfC2nFy0HKmgPnDxm8rzuQ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Warren,LF one string XGJ Henny pa3cpm 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: XGJ 23-07.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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Hi Warren,LF
one string XGJ
Henny pa3cpm
73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
XGJ 23-07.jpg

Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg06.mx.aol.com (rly-dg06.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.90]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDG054-5d44a66c7df216; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:03:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg06.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG067-5d44a66c7df216; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:03:44 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTWmR-0001bz-O8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:02:27 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTWmR-0001bq-7n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:02:27 +0100 Received: from smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.27]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTWmN-0001iU-GQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:02:25 +0100 Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl (dovemail9.xs4all.nl [194.109.26.11]) by smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n6M82Fto024275 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:02:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Received: from 82.92.124.189 (SquirrelMail authenticated user pa0rdt) by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:02:22 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <53518.82.92.124.189.1248249742.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:02:22 +0200 (CEST) From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Loop (was Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?) Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=CELL_PHONE_BOOST autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello John, Regarding the single turn versus multiple turn loop, I have done both. For the multiple turn loop, 100 meter of 1.2 mm PCV clad electrical mains wire was wound on a wooden frame with sides of 70 cm. This was a major task in itself and called for a dedicated winding contraption. The primary could be tuned from 120 - 600 kHz and the secondary was a single turn winding. Output was fairly low and a broadband pre-amplifier was used. The single turn loop had a diameter of 1 meter and was made from the outer shield of a length of RG213 coaxial cable. The stepup transformer was wound on a 36 mm high mu (5000) toroid. The primary had 3 windings and the secondary 90. Still a lot of turns, but more manageable tahn winding the multiturn boxed loop. The output was fed into a high input buffer amplifier (aka mini-whip). Though small, this loop provided ample output and the output was shunted by a 33K resistor to give the same output at Lf as my mini-whip. This is a broadband antenna and besides being plagued by local noise, reception is excellent. The multiturn tuned loop has the benefit of being very selective and is nice to prevent IMD. The broadband loop is easier to use of course and with the right gain setting will not cause IMD on most receivers. The beauty of this hobby that most of the time we have a choice! 73, Roelof bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (rly-mb03.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.161]) by air-mb01.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMB011-cfc4a5de07e15d; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:58:33 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB038-cfc4a5de07e15d; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:58:24 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MR4yn-0006bM-8J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:57:05 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MR4ym-0006bD-Q9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:57:04 +0100 Received: from smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MR4yb-0003Dz-F7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:56:54 +0100 Received: (qmail 93226 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2009 13:56:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=F6TmS1BZAhfLDebmGvhF1kSYhVd4RkO56V97tQqsKz6fge2muy15Ccs6rkatxRyDaBi3k40ivuqBm+V8oDfFvggUGRZfT3poI3jX8js3o+EVMEhQOlXpGKWsBzxL5Wk2x6xWEBE3nUo/1Ji6nhiY2IcbjQeTiKLWOxdNWUSyaMc= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Lark) (alan.melia@213.122.40.190 with login) by smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 13:56:55 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: KHdpK2OswBBXlm4uxknbEiS4uYdJoGknHN90u4K8__lTafnafZg- X-YMail-OSG: Wh3NCn4VM1kp084TFHokgUk2mhezQ.TgpVsv2Sn8iX8aIXQ1t98fjcfEkv.isLEwKmiE317DGKwLMGYNRRc41dWNDRxXsjw0jI9JmYareIysCJoOkGvDFXREAjYvr.kMN3MS1DHC.puNhdyrnCmI8hviqRFpRLYrOZREy0g4LRZvnutIA7XCyZo1gA3jh1IN_WGbJUbtdUQ1P1ANtW1q.Ud6Oioyp4b8p0zwiLb4hRVCrfBbxnohE2bTLjxMM5XwEL0eCH42gabm4guM5ShkFl1n6Aq4tLOhP.RsftjhdmoGAV..S2t2KFcO_XK0mezsZMvT3uUQZQgJpKFLCuCUu_e825foNiEIbq8qP.aHzg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <003501ca0554$292717a0$0900a8c0@AM> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:57:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi all, I am very please to see not everyone sticks to a 12 volt maximum supply voltage :-)) One though that occurs to me is that if one side of the MO transformer is grounded in oven service........one ought to check that the winding as a whole is sufficiently well insulated from ground to stand floating 2kV above ground. There may not be the same clearance /insulation on the grounded end of the secondary as the intended high-voltage end?? On the other hand it might be quite OK. I have a certain cynicism about "consumer designs". Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:34 PM Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers These special transformers need the magnetic bypass because a magnetron looks (as a load) like a Z diode. So they are powered, more or less, with a constant current source rather than a constant voltage source. In other words, the "generator" (transformer) must have a large source impedance, and that's what the magnetic bypass in the 'former does. Cheers, Wolf . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg09.mx.aol.com (rly-mg09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.115]) by air-mg08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMG084-a344a69b57257; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 09:22:15 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg09.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG096-a344a69b57257; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 09:21:56 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MUKhk-0007bj-VP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:20:56 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MUKhk-0007ba-Dt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:20:56 +0100 Received: from fish2.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.163]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MUKhg-0001Yn-5Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:20:54 +0100 Received: from weazle (pppoe.dyn-216.46.157.96.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.157.96]) by fish2.hurontel.on.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 706A39911CD for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 09:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from weazle (pppoe.dyn-216.46.157.96.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.157.96]) by fish2.hurontel.on.ca with SMTP id KzRZW5DC1SyUCrz9 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 09:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000401ca0c61$8bff3600$0b01a8c0@weazle> From: "J. 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Weazle McCreath" To: References: <1MTixd-0cGXyK0@fwd00.t-online.de> <4A687388.4050801@usa.net> <1MU4lz-1dRfeq0@fwd10.t-online.de> <434E6E4F7AC64D8B995F684D832555DA@JimPC> <49FC75F6A7D2439197581F10016D72AE@AGB> <000201ca0bfb$db158d40$0b01a8c0@weazle> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:20:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Loop discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Graham, LFers, Thanks for the reply with the details. I'm jealous of the site you've got there. In addition to being a radio nut, I'm also a lighthouse nut, having as many pix and models of lighthouses in the shack as I do radios! My wife is Welsh, so if we're ever back home I just might have to pay you a visit and see it for myself. 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL Solar and wind powered Lowfer " EAR" 188.830 EN93dr http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db01.mx.aol.com (rly-db01.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.76]) by air-db10.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDB101-aa74a57e0d7239; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:46:21 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB015-aa74a57e0d7239; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:46:17 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MPQik-0006p8-FP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:45:42 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MPQij-0006oz-RA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:45:41 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s21.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.32]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPQig-0002gr-T5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:45:40 +0100 Received: from BLU146-W15 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s21.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:45:31 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [119.73.250.227] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:45:31 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <8bf118410907100011s696aa712sbd88bd3a023e1c39@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2009 00:45:31.0797 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4D4A450:01CA01C0] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_4af13381-2c80-43a8-b34c-ddec769566fc_" Subject: RE: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises/Loran X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_4af13381-2c80-43a8-b34c-ddec769566fc_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Talking of jamming Loran brings back memories in the 70's of "attacking"= a Decca site in the Eastern counties defended by Gurkhas' as a night exer= cise. I came across some photos the other day of said installation I must= have taken around that time - and for what I can remember the idea was to= place a small amount of C4 or shaped charge on one or two items and defin= ately not get captured in the process. =20 Given the lack of security of some of the Loran sites Im guessing the best= denial of Service would be a lump of plastic or very large bolt cutters= on a couple of guys..or perhaps knocking out the remote mon receiver or= spoofing a small signal..must be easier than raising a 400m mast. =20 LF and MF very noisy here due to Moonsoons at the moment. =20 Laurence 9V1 LF Rainy Singpore =20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99 SkyDrive=99: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_SD_25GB_062009= =3D --_4af13381-2c80-43a8-b34c-ddec769566fc_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Talking of jamming Loran brings back memories in the 70's of "attacking"= a Decca site in the Eastern counties defended by Gurkhas' as a night exer= cise. I came across some photos the other day of said installation I must= have taken around that time - and for what I can remember the idea was to= place a small amount of C4 or shaped charge on one or two items and defin= ately not get captured in the process.
 
Given the lack of security of some of the Loran sites Im guessing the best= denial of Service would be a lump of plastic or very large bolt cutters= on a couple of guys..or perhaps knocking out the  remote mon receive= r or spoofing a small signal..must be easier than raising a 400m mast.
 
LF and MF very noisy here due to Moonsoons at the moment.
 
Laurence 9V1 LF
Rainy Singpore
 
 

Windows Live=99 SkyDrive=99: Get 25 GB of free onlin= e storage. Get it on your BlackBerry or iPho= ne. =3D --_4af13381-2c80-43a8-b34c-ddec769566fc_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me10.mx.aol.com (rly-me10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.44]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINME064-9e34a4ded56319; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 07:37:09 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me10.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME107-9e34a4ded56319; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 07:36:58 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MMh3i-0001ni-Ji for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:36:02 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MMh3i-0001nZ-3r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:36:02 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MMh3f-00059g-Pe for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:36:02 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 877B751C00B for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 13:35:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 640D731E703 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 13:35:46 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:36:04 +0200 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <20090703100648.865C531E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> References: <908B19DF06BE4ECEB3A61470A89BEFA8@Black> <20090703100648.865C531E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090703113546.640D731E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_17199983==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_17199983==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Some other fast IGBT's: http://www.promelec.ru/pdf/SGH80N60UF.pdf http://www.bjrtd.com/pdf/sgh23n60ufd.pdf http://www.abcd-e.cn/abcd-e/www/a/products/transistor/a/SGH40N60UFD.pdf 73, Rik At 12:07 3/07/2009, you wrote: >Jeff, Marcus, > >STGW30NC60WD has a turnoff delay of 120ns. Turn on delay and rise / >fall times are better than 30ns. >That should be good enough for 137kHz, maybe even for 500kHz. >It further has a max. Collector-Emitter Voltage of 600V, max. >Collector Current of 60A (200A pulsed), max.. dissipation of 200W >and a saturation voltage of 2V (@20A). >Looks like a good "workhorse" for those who want to experiment with IGBT's. > >73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > >At 22:05 26/06/2009, you wrote: >>Dear Jeff, >> >>havn't actually tried it myself on 137 kHz. But from past >>experience I'd say that while IGBTs may have less DC loss, they are >>much slower (especially during turnoff). They can be used as >>effient switches at some tens of kHz, whereas MOSFETs will easily >>go up to several MHz. >> >>Kind regards, >>Markus, DF6NM >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: F6CWN >>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:37 PM >>Subject: LF: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? >> >>Good night to all, >> >>Anybody would have any experience on the use of IGBT in 136 KHz amplifiers? >>Thanks in advance! >>73: Jeff / F6CWN >> --=====================_17199983==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Some other fast IGBT's:

http://www.promelec.ru/pdf/SGH80N60UF.pdf
http://www.bjrtd.com/pdf/sgh23n60ufd.pdf
http://www.abcd-e.cn/abcd-e/www/a/products/transistor/a/SGH40N60UFD.pdf

73, Rik

At 12:07 3/07/2009, you wrote:
Jeff, Marcus,

STGW30NC60WD has a turnoff delay of 120ns. Turn on delay and rise / fall times are better than 30ns.
That should be good enough for 137kHz, maybe even for 500kHz.
It further has a max. Collector-Emitter Voltage of 600V, max. Collector Current of 60A (200A pulsed), max.. dissipation of 200W and a saturation voltage of 2V (@20A).
Looks like a good "workhorse" for those who want to experiment with IGBT's.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T


At 22:05 26/06/2009, you wrote:
Dear Jeff,
 
havn't actually tried it myself on 137 kHz. But from past experience I'd say that while IGBTs may have less DC loss, they are much slower (especially during turnoff). They can be used as effient switches at some tens of kHz, whereas MOSFETs will easily go up to several MHz.
 
Kind regards,
Markus, DF6NM
 
----- Original Message -----
From: F6CWN
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:37 PM
Subject: LF: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?

Good night to all,
 
Anybody would have any experience on the use of IGBT in 136 KHz amplifiers?
Thanks in advance!
73: Jeff / F6CWN
 
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The other option is to use 2 matched transformers that have their windings internally grounded in a supply that would use a grounded center for the secondary nice light weight high power transformers I have used one for my 144 amp for 10 years with no problems 2200 volts at 250 mils or better the newest Mwave ovens will use switching supply so get them on big trash pick up day while you can Bob K3DJC On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:21:56 +0100 "Ken" writes: Hello everyone. Does any one have experience in using microwave oven transformers in high voltage power units, I acquired two of these at the weekend. I was informed that as they stand the voltage regulation is poor, to improve this the 'Core Shunts' should be removed, (these are laminations between the two stacks), removal of these 'shunts' also has the effect of considerably increasing the magnetisation current. The solution to this seems to be to use two transformers, connecting the both primaries and secondary's in series to restore the 2KV output voltage. Any comments on this most welcome Note for Mal, this is serious stuff not for appliance operators. Regards Ken Wright 73 de M0KHW ____________________________________________________________ Find success and happiness with drug and alcohol rehabilitation. Click now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTJWRWktNjfwCdkYmLURb1VEOgF9nbvRaZvH6mCNSPmUlHcGu5WapK/ ----__JNP_000_617e.22fc.04f7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
they work well,, removal of the shunts helps with the regulation
hopefully yours will have the grounded side of the winding
brought out to a terminal where you can open it and
make a full wave supply. The other option is to use 2 matched
transformers that have their windings internally grounded in a
supply that would use a grounded center for the secondary
nice light weight high power transformers
I have used one for my 144 amp for 10 years with no problems
2200 volts at 250 mils or better
the newest Mwave ovens will use switching supply
so get them on big trash pick up day while you can
 
Bob K3DJC 
 
On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:21:56 +0100 "Ken" <ken.h.wright@btinternet.com>=20 writes:
Hello everyone.
Does any one have experience in using= microwave=20 oven transformers in high voltage power units, I acquired two of these= at the=20 weekend. I was informed that as they stand the voltage regulation is poo= r, to=20 improve this the 'Core Shunts' should be removed, (these are laminations= =20 between the two stacks), removal of these 'shunts' also has the effect= of=20 considerably increasing the magnetisation current. The solution to this= seems=20 to be to use two transformers, connecting the both primaries and seconda= ry's=20 in series to restore the 2KV output voltage.
 
Any comments on this most welcome
 
Note for Mal, this is serious stuff not= for=20 appliance operators.
 
Regards
Ken Wright
 
73 de M0KHW
 


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----__JNP_000_617e.22fc.04f7-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf10.mx.aol.com (rly-mf10.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.180]) by air-mf10.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMF104-9834a7312be2a9; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:50:57 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf10.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF101-9834a7312be2a9; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:50:24 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MWuM7-0001nN-6X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 16:49:15 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MWuM6-0001nE-GL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 16:49:14 +0100 Received: from web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.126]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MWuM3-0006QW-C4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 16:49:11 +0100 Received: (qmail 18892 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jul 2009 15:49:06 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1249055345; bh=ZDgycgP7PfyoY/xATazEOMrh/0A8baDd0jxtjLUUsCk=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wTvSTre2CdTkzWdmnOjHaSF1wjAHoMPAEfvZw6rfJeRC/+E8GuYJvB5OEXHZzvlF68IJXbqTnRnFsJ7v3vhpBlpvI6VU6kcM0YGkN5x5gaJipN2Ywvkc5gmvgVchIdgqvsezfuNOATJmZAcerTQoiqLCf6drZa/BAjul6CRjka0= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JT0Dcqh9XCJ6k7lhXPGPbfIsg3aZODI244nsyEejUwxswQPg3S7XFH6DJcXV7D9L2jhDGgpJznn+XVSCBiuQXzZRJqF+rDeUMnh8jYk0f2Hj+4r/0dkCyFiiPgA8fXCnZzG6GuN8q0Xr/VDAeNkQHt1auu18L3xwgd10+KRhMiA=; Message-ID: <949148.18590.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ECYBukkVM1mwhal5Ul1LyRbcSuF9yVzTQlGFrBY.60He3GkUsu40.mCD Received: from [86.130.70.67] by web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:49:05 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:49:05 +0000 (GMT) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <7C5EF3297F5848B8A92142CFD613FB0B@AGB> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: cq round 502 ? 1300 hrs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-817779757-1249055345=:18590" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m254.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-817779757-1249055345=:18590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank Graham =A0 All reports welcome. =A0 Soak testing new GW3UEP rig abt 40 Watts out to Inv L up 12m 40m long in= IO91UX. Test and transmission now complete. =A0 Hope to see you on=A0the band soon. =A0 73 GL Peter M0FMT --- On Fri, 31/7/09, Graham wrote: From: Graham Subject: Re: LF: cq round 502 ? 1300 hrs To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Friday, 31 July, 2009, 2:53 PM Now stronger .1445 hrs .. M0FMT=A0=A0=A0 rst=A0 4/5=A0-=A0 4 - 9 ..may be= in beacon mode ? =A0 freq .. may be=A0 (+/- a bit )=A0=A0 502.1250=A0 @=A0 10 db over the=A0 no= ise floor=20 =A0 rx set up=A0 38 ft vert , no atu,=A0 ft897-d , 501=A0 , usb=20 =A0 Aslo seeing=A0 'cw' at 503.4 ..1445 hrs=20 =A0 G ..=20 From: Graham=20 Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:06 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: cq round 502 ? 1300 hrs=20 =A0 Station calling 'cq'=A0 round 502 .on the=A0 speaker . but too low to=A0= get the=A0 call=A0=20 =A0 sorry - may be O ..... ?=20 =A0 Graham , io83lk No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.38/2274 - Release Date: 07/31/09= 05:58:00 =20 --0-817779757-1249055345=:18590 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank Graham
 
All reports welcome.
 
Soak testing new GW3UEP rig abt 40 Watts out to Inv L up 12m 40m long= in IO91UX.
Test and transmission now complete.
 
Hope to see you on the band soon.
 
73 GL Peter M0FMT

--- On Fri, 31/7/09, Graham <g8fzk@= g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>Subject: Re: LF: cq round 502 ? 1300 hrs
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org
Date: Friday, 31 July, 2009, 2:53 PM

Now stronger .1445 hrs .. M0FMT &nbs= p;  rst  4/5 -  4 - 9 ..may be in beacon mode ?=
 
freq .. may be  (+/- a bit ) &n= bsp; 502.1250  @  10 db over the  noise floor
 
rx set up  38 ft vert , no atu, = ; ft897-d , 501  , usb
 
Aslo seeing  'cw' at 503.4 ..1445 hr= s
 
G ..

From: Graham
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:06 PM
Subject: LF: cq round 502 ? 1300 hrs

 
Station calling 'cq'&n= bsp; round 502 .on the  speaker . but too low to  get the = call 
 
sorry - may be O .....= ?
 
Graham , io83lk=

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG= - www.avg.= com
Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.38/2274 - Release Da= te: 07/31/09 05:58:00

=20 --0-817779757-1249055345=:18590-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me04.mx.aol.com (rly-me04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.38]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINME014-9ae4a62f941e4; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 06:45:38 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME042-9ae4a62f941e4; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 06:45:23 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MSTsG-0002U4-D1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:44:08 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MSTsF-0002Tv-TL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:44:07 +0100 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MSTsC-00083P-6E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:44:06 +0100 Received: (qmail 1619 invoked by uid 507); 19 Jul 2009 12:43:48 +0200 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2009 12:43:48 +0200 Message-ID: <200907191243540523.0B700E94@smtp2.numeo.fr> In-Reply-To: <000401ca084d$7db18390$0201a8c0@euro7g1ku6dl5q> References: <200907191013410054.0AE685B7@smtp2.numeo.fr> <000401ca084d$7db18390$0201a8c0@euro7g1ku6dl5q> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:43:54 +0200 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: F8BOJ 30-40dB over noise on 137 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Helli Claude, You are now 5 to 10 dB stronger at 1040z (or the noise has reduced). 73 John F5VLF *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 19/07/2009 at 10:47 Claude Berthebaud wrote: >Hello John and the group >Thank you for this good control good Sunday >pleasure >claude F8BOJ >========== >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John RABSON" >To: >Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 10:13 AM >Subject: LF: F8BOJ 30-40dB over noise on 137 > > >> At 1006z. >> >> F5VLF >> >> >> >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (rly-dc06.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.35]) by air-dc10.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC104-b2b4a64e9ba1d4; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:04:01 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc06.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC067-b2b4a64e9ba1d4; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:03:40 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MT0w5-0005pu-EX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:02:17 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MT0w4-0005pl-Ru for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:02:16 +0100 Received: from smtp27.orange.fr ([80.12.242.96]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MT0vo-0002DG-NB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:02:01 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf2718.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1C5E61C00082 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:02:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf2718.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 10CDD1C00083 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:02:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from acer9412 (ARouen-256-1-75-250.w90-22.abo.wanadoo.fr [90.22.2.250]) by mwinf2718.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with SMTP id AABAC1C00082 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:02:03 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090720220203699.AABAC1C00082@mwinf2718.orange.fr Message-ID: From: "F6CWN" To: References: <908B19DF06BE4ECEB3A61470A89BEFA8@Black> <20090703100648.865C531E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:02:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B7_01CA0985.B5E981C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01CA0985.B5E981C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Markus and Rick! I have only just acquainted myself with your messages. (Just going out from hospital, big blood pressure problem...) Thanks a lot for precious information, of what make fun still! I recovered some ferrites N87 types which should work in 137 KHZ. Another subject interests me, it is the possibility of transmitting wi= th a big spool of several turns (a bit as WD2XDW). But EIRP is much we= aker than with a vertical aerial, then it is necessary to "push more"= in power! VY 73: Jeff =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Strobbe=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 10:07 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? Jeff, Marcus, STGW30NC60WD has a turnoff delay of 120ns. Turn on delay and rise /= fall times are better than 30ns. That should be good enough for 137kHz, maybe even for 500kHz. It further has a max. Collector-Emitter Voltage of 600V, max. Collec= tor Current of 60A (200A pulsed), max.. dissipation of 200W and a satu= ration voltage of 2V (@20A). Looks like a good "workhorse" for those who want to experiment with= IGBT's. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 22:05 26/06/2009, you wrote: Dear Jeff, =20 havn't actually tried it myself on 137 kHz. But from past experien= ce I'd say that while IGBTs may have less DC loss, they are much slowe= r (especially during turnoff). They can be used as effient switches at= some tens of kHz, whereas MOSFETs will easily go up to several MHz. =20 Kind regards, Markus, DF6NM =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: F6CWN=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:37 PM Subject: LF: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? Good night to all, Anybody would have any experience on the use of IGBT in 136 KHz= amplifiers? Thanks in advance! 73: Jeff / F6CWN=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01CA0985.B5E981C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Markus and Rick!
 
I have only just acquainted myself wi= th your=20 messages.
(Just going out from hospital, big blood pressure=20 problem...)
Thanks a lot for precious information= , of what make=20 fun still!
I recovered some ferrites N87 types= which should=20 work in 137 KHZ.
Another subject interests me, it is= the possibility=20 of transmitting with a big spool of several turns (a bit as WD2XDW).= =20 But EIRP is much weaker than with a vertical aerial, then it is= necessary=20 to "push more"  in power!
 
VY 73: Jeff
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009= 10:07=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT in= 136 KHz=20 TX?

Jeff, Marcus,

STGW30NC60WD has a turnoff delay= of 120ns.=20 Turn on delay and rise / fall times are better than 30ns.
That sh= ould be=20 good enough for 137kHz, maybe even for 500kHz.
It further has a= max.=20 Collector-Emitter Voltage of 600V, max. Collector Cur= rent of 60A=20 (200A pulsed), max.. dissipation of 200W and a saturation voltage of= 2V=20 (@20A).
Looks like a good "workhorse" for those who want= to=20 experiment with IGBT's.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 22:05=20 26/06/2009, you wrote:
Dear= =20 Jeff,
 
havn't actually tried it= myself on=20 137 kHz. But from past experience I'd say that while IGBTs may hav= e less DC=20 loss, they are much slower (especially during turnoff). They can= be used as=20 effient switches at some tens of kHz, whereas MOSFETs will easily= go up to=20 several MHz.
 
Kind regards,
M= arkus,=20 DF6NM
 
----- Original Message -----
From: F6CWN
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:37 PM
Subject: LF: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?

Good night to all,

 
Anybody would have any experience on the use= of IGBT in=20 136 KHz amplifiers?
Thanks in advance!
73: Jeff / F6CWN

 
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Mark GM4ISM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Newstead" To: Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 1:45 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Mc Coy > Mark wrote: >> 30 sec search on the internet >> http://www.datasheetarchive.com/pdf-datasheets/Datasheets-110/DSAP004237.pdf > Quote "The INTERNET creates more problems than it solves. G3KEV" June 2009 > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.3/2217 - Release Date: 07/03/09 18:11:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md10.mx.aol.com (rly-md10.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.148]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMD052-92b4a59b52f24b; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 06:04:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md10.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD103-92b4a59b52f24b; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 06:04:34 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MPvti-0004VD-T6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:03:06 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MPvti-0004V4-HC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:03:06 +0100 Received: from mail-ew0-f214.google.com ([209.85.219.214]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPvta-0001h5-8N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:02:58 +0100 Received: by ewy10 with SMTP id 10so189819ewy.4 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 03:02:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=/XlPU1Rq2MRxp0AOlyyz4XUZ6vixY9G24pdh0NPS2Z0=; b=S7SA4D3YE8AJPLPTEl1gFHXjAdMBeuoP1QTxV6aKcmRnDQ6B1xzUzgGOJhrYEILxin EwJ3J6WLQ4IzFCCWuPsZqUhBvKqv0MZiSFqslLCciz4C6HWd/3bGyXkMxk7eSxRtwBxh 0ZkZCZg9wkoUKO8TfeKiCGz4KXrOYoLR9i2Lw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=DAaWhWHYfixlZ6nXSjxgOdoNRbTHk6wQLpjGFxVPQ2l1uXBNsalEsBiYvMYRBYM/U0 kTPn0A8VVY45YpZgZmC6Gic9Li1EdDhHFVfSqWtSixSb3nhVKbzebDYAx5i6+ISp0d34 +Hc4OJ98wnwTD6OM+lCBmSU4rfSB+nMLfdQuo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.51.82 with SMTP id a60mr1104103wec.108.1247392979012; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 03:02:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A58C9D7.2030507@freenet.de> References: <4A58C9D7.2030507@freenet.de> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:02:58 +0100 Message-ID: <8bf118410907120302y73ec53b4y2c865ffabc358af1@mail.gmail.com> From: Dave Pick To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: G3YXM 59 ;-) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6db61ca68cbfd046e7f4f15 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m216.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016e6db61ca68cbfd046e7f4f15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nice to have a quick QSO on the band. I must figure out why QRS keeps crashing... Dave. 2009/7/11 Wolfgang B=FCscher > So sorry that I can't transmit on 136 kHz from home .. > hpe cul Dave, > > 73, Wolf . > > --=20 G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK --0016e6db61ca68cbfd046e7f4f15 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nice to have a quick QSO on the band. I must figure out why QRS keeps cras= hing...

Dave.

2009/7/11 Wolfgang= B=FCscher <dl4y= hf@freenet.de>
So sorry that= I can't transmit on 136 kHz from home ..
hpe cul Dave,

=A073, Wolf .




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--0016e6db61ca68cbfd046e7f4f15-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (rly-dc10.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.39]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC081-b474a668f9636f; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:03:52 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC103-b474a668f9636f; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:03:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTT22-0001Lw-6t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:02:18 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTT21-0001Ln-42 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:02:17 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s26.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.37]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTT1s-0000jG-PU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:02:14 +0100 Received: from BLU146-W19 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s26.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:02:01 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [138.32.244.2] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:02:01 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70907210620v6f208cf2t898ce58cab2e9776@mail.gmail.com> References: <57a24ca70907210620v6f208cf2t898ce58cab2e9776@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2009 04:02:01.0770 (UTC) FILETIME=[2ABF00A0:01CA0A81] X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_9649a137-2c91-4ff9-b3e8-d1244c0a1c51_" Subject: LF: Warrens Kw's X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE,UP_TO_OR_MORES autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_9649a137-2c91-4ff9-b3e8-d1244c0a1c51_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 I agree with John TAG's points on current sharing and keeping the distance= of the conductors apart - my spacing was a lot more than that (feet in pl= aces) but thats due to the ascent stage of the throwing device being non= gyrostabilzed and tended to go off target as it hit a tree (need a bow/sp= ud gun next time!) =20 Voltages wise - with the typical some 350ft circumference loop I had appro= aching 50A of current in the loop, but voltages were were still high enoug= h across the matching components for corona, and as John ann Eric and othe= rs have found out sharp points and conductors/PVC onto branches at high po= wers will arc given a choice.=20 =20 Must still have been over a couple of Kv - I cant afford a forest fire but= verticals just wont work for me and give even more issue. =20 I didnt take a lightweight conductor and insulation solution route - I see= m to remember my total copper and insulation weight being close to 350 pou= nds net - but I adopted a thick insulation, certainly not light or cheap,= but I didnt get burn thru at the +24hr >1Kw level=20 =20 As far as how high you could go - well if you were able to insulate all se= ctions off the tree Im sure You could shove a few Kw round the loop but th= e current capacity of the components is going to be LARGE Warren -=20 =20 - Like John I too used heavy duty insulators with tensioning on the horizo= ntal lower leg - My were marine composite material over 12 inches long -= the rest just sat on the branches. After a year or more I took the loops= down and inspected the insulation and although I had scuffing on the Nylo= n outer sheath it didnt break thru to the PVC jacket and can/will be used= again. =20 There was a load of discussion from my peers and betters on whether multip= le parallel conductors would be stable in the wind as their relative posit= ion to each other "up there" does change - but looking at the phase/amp me= ter during the fierciest Okie storms and my limited experience of single= conductors I would say it was manageable and I had very little tuning iss= ues. =20 I did have heating of my toroids 2T:14T (variable) - more heat from the= two turn side but I think I would change my design to see if I can reduce= the flux/stress a bit more by adding more ferrite and or changing the rat= ios a bit more - though I do remember changing to 3T and varying the turns= accordingly wasnt so good for my "array".=20 =20 Current load sharing on the matching capacitor side was very important and= many smaller value caps versus a couple of large ones was the way to go.= I used a mix of G2 and G3 Sangamos Mica's totallying some 12.5nF and the= G3 7.5nF (thats the biggest) was warm at 24 hr operation - the 1.5nF/3nF= werent... a typical solution would be to use a number of http://cgi.ebay.= com/SANGAMO-Mica-Capacitor-.0012-MFD-10,000-Volts-11-Amps_W0QQitemZ4000625= 64002QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20090719?IMSfp=3DTL090719159005r24905 or similar= in parallel - I do prefer the heftier G3's though. =20 Differing tree, types, rough/smooth, varying incident branch angles may ch= ange your choice on conductor and insulation type - Id love to use a load= of u/g RG6 in parallel but I think my Silver Birch in AK will wear it dow= n - I cant shove hose pipe up to protect the insulation as everything has= to be invisible (invisible in a forest/!) I used Black 4 or 6 AWG TFFN -= pvc insulation with a nylon sheath - that slippery 6 mils of nylon really= helps. =20 As john indicated the proof was in the smell and thermal temperatures of= the components - Keeping a weather sealed box, critters out without getti= ng thermal stress was difficult in my case. Going to +2Kw with what Ive go= t wouldnt work and I would have to redesign everything again - =20 =20 My Ceramic feed thrus using brass knurled nuts some 1/4inch diameter were= getting noticably warm and probably needed uprating - and it was more lik= e high voltage/high current battery telephone exchange wiring techniques= than radio. =20 What was interesting was looking at the efficiency of loops at 137kHz and= some of the modelling tools - 350ft was considered by one program (too sm= all <1%) but as you went up to 400-500 ft or more the efficiency really do= es zoom up - its going to be one of those copper RF losses versus total lo= op size variable but I can shove up a 500 footer loop but not with the wan= ted vertical section height - so again it would probably prove not so effi= cient. =20 My water table is only 11ft beneath the array so Im not expecting as good= as results on the rocky ground of Okie - but Ill proably be wrong again= - Empirical measurement rools... =20 good luck with the combiner Warren -=20 =20 Off topic but just had a solar eclipse here - just taken on my Blackberry http://kl1x.com/eclipsejuly2209teda.jpg - didnt have the LF radio on this= time. =20 Laurence Kl1X China =20 > Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:20:43 -0400 > From: wd2xgj@gmail.com > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Loop (was Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?) >=20 > Laurence, >=20 > What do you think is the upper power limit for a loop using > coaxial cable as a conductor? > I've run about 1.3 kW into my loop made up of one turn RG-11 and one > turn RG-214 (both turns parallel as in your case). > Once one of the coax conductors came into contact with wet leaves near > the feed point and began to burn through the insulation and the leaves > - the first indication was erratic aerial currrent. >=20 > I'm thinking of running two Deccas into a combiner but not sure > if the loop insulation is sufficient. >=20 > --=20 > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/ >=20 > On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Laurence BY3A-KL1X > China wrote: > > Jeff - The "turns" of the mains WD2XDW loop were just distanced parall= el > > loops running in roughly the same plane to reduce the RF copper losses= and > > open up the bandwidth a bit - . I did try a couple of "turns" but neve= r > > managed to get the ommppff field. Interesting given the fact that some > > people use 2 turns on their K9AY's successfully - > > > > All the loops ends up welded together on lugs and attached to the tun= er. > > Ive just overhauled the tuner ready to put on line for WE2XPQ but it= will be > > running lower power for a while as I dont want to start a forest fire= in > > Alaska! > > > > Back home in KL7 on August 14th again...just need time... > > > > laurence > > BY3A-KL1X Tanggu China 34degC > > We2XPQ/ x Wd2XDW Wasilla AK > > > > > > Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? > > > > > > Hello Markus and Rick! > > > > I have only just acquainted myself with your messages. > > (Just going out from hospital, big blood pressure problem...) > > Thanks a lot for precious information, of what make fun still! > > I recovered some ferrites N87 types which should work in 137 KHZ. > > Another subject interests me, it is the possibility of transmitting wi= th a > > big spool of several turns (a bit as WD2XDW). But EIRP is much weaker= than > > with a vertical aerial, then it is necessary to "push more" in power! > > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > 73: Jeff / F6CWN > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Windows Live=99 SkyDrive=99: Store, access, and share your photos. See= how. >=20 >=20 >=20 > 1 >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99 Hotmail=AE: Celebrate the moment with your favorite sports= pics. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=3DTXT_TAG= LM_WL_QA_HM_sports_photos_072009&cat=3Dsports=3D --_9649a137-2c91-4ff9-b3e8-d1244c0a1c51_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  
I agree with John TAG's points on current sharing and keeping the dis= tance of the conductors apart - my spacing was a lot more than that (feet= in places) but thats due to the  ascent stage of the throwing= device being non gyrostabilzed and tended to go off target as it hit a tr= ee (need a bow/spud gun next time!)
 
Voltages wise - with the typical some 350ft circumference loop I had appro= aching 50A of current in the loop, but voltages were were still high= enough across the matching components for corona, and as John ann Er= ic and others have found out sharp points and conductors/PVC&nbs= p;onto branches at high powers will arc given a choice.
 
Must still have been over a couple of Kv - I cant afford a forest fire but= verticals just wont work for me and give even more issue.
 
I didnt take a lightweight conductor and insulation solution route - I see= m to remember my total copper and insulation weight being close to 350 pou= nds net - but I adopted a thick insulation, certainly not light or cheap,= but I didnt get burn thru at the +24hr  >1Kw level
 
As far as how high you could go - well if you were able to insulate all se= ctions off the tree Im sure You could shove a few Kw round the loop= but the current capacity of the components is going to be LARGE Warren -=
 
- Like John I too used heavy duty insulators with tensioning on the horizo= ntal lower leg - My were marine composite material over 12 inches long -= the rest just sat on the branches. After a year or more I took the loops= down and inspected the insulation and although I had scuffing on the Nylo= n outer sheath it didnt break thru to the PVC jacket and can/will be= used again.
 
There was a load of discussion from my peers and betters on whether multip= le parallel conductors would be stable in the wind as their relative posit= ion to each other "up there" does change - but looking at the phase/amp me= ter during the fierciest Okie storms and my limited experience of single= conductors I would say it was manageable and I had very little tuning iss= ues.
 
I did have heating of my toroids 2T:14T (variable)  - more heat from= the two turn side but I think I would change my design to see if I can re= duce the flux/stress a bit more by adding more ferrite and or changing the= ratios a bit more - though I do remember changing to 3T and varying the= turns accordingly wasnt so good for my "array".
 
Current load sharing on the matching capacitor side was very imp= ortant and many smaller value caps versus a couple of large ones was the= way to go. I used a mix of  G2 and G3 Sangamos Mica's totallyin= g some 12.5nF and the G3 7.5nF (thats the biggest) was warm at 24 hr= operation - the 1.5nF/3nF werent... a typical solution would be to use a= number of http://cgi.ebay.com/SANGAMO-Mica-Capacitor-.0= 012-MFD-10,000-Volts-11-Amps_W0QQitemZ400062564002QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ200= 90719?IMSfp=3DTL090719159005r24905 or similar in parallel - I do= prefer the heftier G3's though.
 
Differing tree, types, rough/smooth, varying incident branch angles may ch= ange your choice on conductor and insulation type - Id love to use a load= of u/g RG6 in parallel but I think my Silver Birch in AK will wear it dow= n - I cant shove hose pipe up to protect the insulation as everything has= to be invisible (invisible in a forest/!) I used Black 4 or 6 AWG TFFN -= pvc insulation with a nylon sheath - that slippery 6 mils of nylon really= helps.
 
As john indicated the proof was in the smell and thermal temperatures of= the components - Keeping a weather sealed box, critters out without getti= ng thermal stress was difficult in my case. Going to +2Kw with what Ive go= t wouldnt work and I would have to redesign everything again -
 
 
My Ceramic feed thrus using brass knurled nuts some 1/4inch diameter were= getting noticably warm and probably needed uprating - and it was more lik= e high voltage/high current battery telephone exchange wiring techniques= than radio.
 
What was interesting was looking at the efficiency of loops at 137kHz and= some of the modelling tools - 350ft was considered by one program (too sm= all <1%) but as you went up to 400-500 ft or more the efficiency really= does zoom up - its going to be one of those copper RF losses versus total= loop size variable but I can shove up a 500 footer loop but not with the= wanted vertical section height - so again it would probably prove not so= efficient.
 
My water table is only 11ft beneath the array so Im not expecting as good= as results on the rocky ground of Okie - but Ill proably be wrong again= - Empirical measurement rools...
 
good luck with the combiner Warren -
 
Off topic but just had a solar eclipse here - just taken on my Blackberry<= BR> http://kl1x.com/eclips= ejuly2209teda.jpg - didnt have the LF radio on this time.
 
Laurence
Kl1X China

 
> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:20:43 -0400
> From: wd2= xgj@gmail.com
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF= : Loop (was Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?)
>
> Laurence,
> > What do you think is the upper power limit for a loop using
>= coaxial cable as a conductor?
> I've run about 1.3 kW into my loop= made up of one turn RG-11 and one
> turn RG-214 (both turns paralle= l as in your case).
> Once one of the coax conductors came into cont= act with wet leaves near
> the feed point and began to burn through= the insulation and the leaves
> - the first indication was erratic= aerial currrent.
>
> I'm thinking of running two Deccas into= a combiner but not sure
> if the loop insulation is sufficient.
= >
> --
> 73 Warren K2ORS
> WD2XGJ
> WD2XSH/23=
> WE2XEB/2
> WE2XGR/
>
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at= 1:47 AM, Laurence BY3A-KL1X
> China<hellozerohellozero@hotmail.c= om> wrote:
> > Jeff - The "turns" of the mains WD2XDW loo= p were just distanced parallel
> > loops running in roughly the= same plane to reduce the RF copper losses and
> > open up the ba= ndwidth a bit - . I did try a couple of "turns" but never
> >= ; managed to get the ommppff field. Interesting given the fact that some> > people use 2 turns on their K9AY's successfully -
>= >
> > All the loops ends up welded together  on lugs and= attached to the tuner.
> > Ive just overhauled the tuner ready= to put on line for WE2XPQ but it will be
> > running lower power= for a while as I dont want to start a forest fire in
> > Alaska!=
> >
> > Back home in KL7 on August 14th again...just ne= ed time...
> >
> > laurence
> > BY3A-KL1X Tangg= u China 34degC
> > We2XPQ/ x Wd2XDW Wasilla AK
> >
&g= t; >
> >  Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?
>= ; >
> >
> > Hello Markus and Rick!
> >
&g= t; > I have only just acquainted myself with your messages.
> >= ; (Just going out from hospital, big blood pressure problem...)
> &g= t; Thanks a lot for precious information, of what make fun still!
>= > I recovered some ferrites N87 types which should work in 137 KHZ.> > Another subject interests me, it is the possibility of transmit= ting with a
> > big spool of several turns (a bit as WD2XDW). But=  EIRP is much weaker than
> > with a vertical aerial, then= it is necessary to "push more"  in power!
> >
> >= Thanks in advance!
> >
> > 73: Jeff / F6CWN
> >= ;
> >
> >
> > ________________________________<= BR>> > Windows Live=99 SkyDrive=99: Store, access, and share your ph= otos. See how.
>
>
>
> 1
>

Windows Live=99 Hotmail=AE: Celebrate the moment with your favorite spo= rts pics. 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WEB - "The VE7SL Radio Notebook": http://members.shaw.ca/ve7sl From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md01.mx.aol.com (rly-md01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.139]) by air-md08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMD082-8e64a62ddca2b3; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 04:48:15 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD016-8e64a62ddca2b3; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 04:48:12 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MSS38-0002JO-Ae for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:47:14 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MSS37-0002JF-Uv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:47:13 +0100 Received: from smtp23.services.sfr.fr ([93.17.128.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MSS2t-0003kt-FC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:47:00 +0100 Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2309.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AF816700008F for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:47:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from euro7g1ku6dl5q (146.137.87-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.87.137.146]) by msfrf2309.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 748C4700008A for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:47:03 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20090719084703477.748C4700008A@msfrf2309.sfr.fr Message-ID: <000401ca084d$7db18390$0201a8c0@euro7g1ku6dl5q> From: "Claude Berthebaud" To: References: <200907191013410054.0AE685B7@smtp2.numeo.fr> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:47:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090719-0, 19/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: F8BOJ 30-40dB over noise on 137 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello John and the group Thank you for this good control good Sunday pleasure claude F8BOJ ========== ----- Original Message ----- From: "John RABSON" To: Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 10:13 AM Subject: LF: F8BOJ 30-40dB over noise on 137 > At 1006z. > > F5VLF > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me05.mx.aol.com (rly-me05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.39]) by air-me08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINME082-9b74a65e39a55; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:50:08 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me05.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME053-9b74a65e39a55; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:49:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTHaH-0008T9-Pj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:48:53 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTHaH-0008T0-C9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:48:53 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTHa0-0007Ah-OS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:48:37 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEAIeAZUpcHCup/2dsb2JhbACEb84IhAwF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([92.28.43.169]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2009 16:48:44 +0100 Message-ID: <003f01ca0a1a$ba6fd880$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <20090721111004.NESLM.2165994.root@mp07> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:48:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Loop (was Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?) Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Use a vertical and avoid all the specified LOOP problems and directional limitations. Loops maybe for RX but for TX vertical systems, ie inv L, T top is probably the best approach on LF and MF. One wave loops on the frequency of interest on HF is a different story. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 4:10 PM Subject: Re: LF: Loop (was Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?) > Just to add a little more information on LF transmitting loops: > > Paralleling conductors is usually more effective than creating a > multi-turn loop. The extra copper loss from another turn can easily negate > the increase in field strength from that turn. > > With paralleled conductors, keep them separated so that the current will > flow over the complete outer surface of each conductor. 10cm spacing seems > reasonable as a minimum. > > My experience is limited to a single-conductor loop, and 500 watts > transmitter output. I've had two experiences with tree fires. Both were > caused by my earlier method of running the lower leg of the loop through > PVC fittings at each tree. Long screws through the fittings provided sharp > edges to scrape insulation and increase the voltage gradient between the > screw and the wire. I have long since switched to porcelain insulators for > the lower supports, with no trouble. All other contacts with the trees are > directly between the wire and the tree. I do worry about a lot of > insulation damage done last winter during and after an ice storm, but thus > far there have been no issues. > > Major starting difficulties are the voltage and current ratings of tuning > capacitors and coupling transformers. Your senses of touch and smell will > help in knowing if you have succeeded! While the voltages and currents can > be accurately calculated in advance, you may have limited information on > the components, particularly the current rating of capacitors. In general, > think big. > > And just one random thought on multi-turn receiving loops: As Jim Moritz > has pointed out a number of times, a loop of N turns can be quite nicely > replaced by a loop of one turn and an N step-up transformer. A one-turn > loop is easier to construct, and may provide a wider tuning range. > > John, W1TAG > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.21/2252 - Release Date: 07/21/09 05:58:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df08.mx.aol.com (rly-df08.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.21]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDF083-56a4a72debc1fe; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 08:08:41 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF081-56a4a72debc1fe; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 08:08:30 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MWqtR-0000yq-IS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 13:07:25 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MWqtR-0000yh-3f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 13:07:25 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.190] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MWqtM-0004sw-QP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 13:07:22 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3613.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 68D357000085 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:07:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.50.188]) by mwinf3613.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id E64F57000082 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:07:10 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090731120710943.E64F57000082@mwinf3613.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <001c01ca1145$390b2dd0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <001c01ca1145$390b2dd0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 13:06:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: cq round 502 ? 1300 hrs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006C_01CA11DF.C9F05330" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01CA11DF.C9F05330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Station calling 'cq' round 502 .on the speaker . but too low to get= the call =20 sorry - may be O ..... ?=20 Graham , io83lk ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01CA11DF.C9F05330 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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------=_NextPart_000_006C_01CA11DF.C9F05330-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg06.mx.aol.com (rly-dg06.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.90]) by air-dg03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDG033-5d44a5de8fee4; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:34:58 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg06.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG067-5d44a5de8fee4; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:34:40 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MR5Xf-0006o1-2f for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:33:07 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MR5Xe-0006ns-Mb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:33:06 +0100 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.149]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MR5XS-00046n-KZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:32:56 +0100 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so1172729qwk.16 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 07:32:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=BSL2700LyxYYR5uoRtAupkFFxRf7ChnmxH5M9/VCTLQ=; b=xE58rVpQsGavvw9BXblxB0bKbcbfqNEckm7z0CPIm72YJli/gaS8ATBuhx7EgBDY4y 1WhRtASqKxF7XfVEIoB0XfCxP/I7HC4em96kGwmJsTHeDSW2Tb9sz4h8AAU1Y0DItNUv kil9T29up5stxxXsSkxC6nzKFNMhUkQv9zCxA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=auWb88YubXIvyuxIRFdY2y5pZ45UY7Q8lrfDGBFX/gHe30CgFyETrDrSyGZUrYu0iv 2wD2f5Il5p09PPeBbt3MTWtL13WxWelPqPYVpmxPfQQQSftVvvvcS+qWyYxxDg4dxULP OPHJP2T7FmczXyaDGUqXT+KC/RZMZd4FKXV+8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.96.132 with SMTP id h4mr1396603qcn.65.1247668379370; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 07:32:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <003501ca0554$292717a0$0900a8c0@AM> References: <003501ca0554$292717a0$0900a8c0@AM> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:32:59 +1000 Message-ID: <633493520907150732x43c32e7cq872a68120ef6d267@mail.gmail.com> From: Tony Magon To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364273778cc84e046ebf6ecc X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d296.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016364273778cc84e046ebf6ecc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Re: Microwave Oven Transformers Drew Diamond VK3XU wrote an article entitled Re-Using Microwave Oven Transformers for High Voltage Power Supplies - in the WIA Magazine - Amateur Radio in March 2006 - Page 26 73 Tony Magon VK2IC --0016364273778cc84e046ebf6ecc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Re: Microwave Oven Transformers


Drew Diamond VK3XU wrote an article entitled Re-Using Microwave Oven Transformers for High Voltage Power Supplies - in the WIA Magazine - Amateur Radio in March 2006 - Page 26

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Tony Magon VK2IC
--0016364273778cc84e046ebf6ecc-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (rly-dc03.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.32]) by air-dc10.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC101-b114a54d81231b; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:32:17 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC035-b114a54d81231b; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:32:05 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MOayt-0007KE-MJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:30:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MOayt-0007K5-6r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:30:55 +0100 Received: from mail-fx0-f222.google.com ([209.85.220.222]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MOayo-0005dz-A4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:30:50 +0100 Received: by fxm22 with SMTP id 22so6623608fxm.4 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 10:30:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=me8RpoU3oAs2RDVu+u6br4U7+dcPaHtHvMow+pY0IS8=; b=gAdVNI6ashX5OrR5Bsj8Fqgflgefu/QvxYHyixRcAr7kAgj8O66f1NHhHh/ma1zGWZ WagAkrGRMr/1RozAvzpHyrnLzeLBBNySS7iLIFooj1geMb5yZcUhRuJNnEFv9s6i2Q4j 0rS7/O5/p/2fX8GjiWsRA40RArQjIeh1danWs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=RFFDI1DBvbO25goYdgd1VG2h7HyDuzSw3FRj1WmrwqnKdLqzeqCiXnLe4z7/wp5u4k y1f6YrWEG3ytKRyZY2BbHYOraP1LDo67dAgktb0QeRsWokRFozq8vbvdmKmW++h+lO30 LcM2c2UTk2J+R6r3hQtriIhZ3Oezs8s5Ub4Io= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.171.143 with SMTP id w15mr628878hbe.119.1247074247686; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 10:30:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A548D6B.3070504@btconnect.com> References: <001001c9ffc1$9cb7ec00$6401a8c0@asus> <4A548D6B.3070504@btconnect.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 18:30:47 +0100 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G4WGT Grabber Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d288.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) They are lmeasured in different ways. The noise measurement (black trace) is measured over the complete preceding 1 nminute period so approximates a good average. The signals, however, are measured only in the five second interval from :25 to :30 wher ethe beacon transmit full carrier. More info can be found on the RSGB 5MHz Working Group website as this beacon uses teh same format as those in its Tx pattern, although the pulsed sounder has been replaced with a PSK31 transmission on mine. Andy www.g4jnt.com 2009/7/8 Richard Newstead : > Gary - G4WGT wrote: >> >> Andy, LF, >> >> Thank you Andy, I was about to place an answer to David's query, his >> question has prompted me to add a little more info on the grabber page. >> >> Thanks to you both. >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> >> > > Gary > > Why don't the blue and green traces follow the noise? > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me04.mx.aol.com (rly-me04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.38]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINME063-9b44a572be12c4; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:54:17 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME048-9b44a572be12c4; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:54:10 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MPEfN-0004Rk-Uv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:53:25 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MPEfN-0004Rb-Ha for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:53:25 +0100 Received: from smtp808.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.68]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPEfH-0003Yu-1s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:53:21 +0100 Received: (qmail 43870 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2009 11:53:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=f738N23A/dPFLlbu0v4J/KdMpgQkDpjma0mm9CK2Dg9+mI589QkYAujXFKCo4twabmJaFjUCnUhl4MO7pEWw43bDCKaEh0Jw2nSzDiUe7z3JlkAlOVe9yNzeD07bgsoE0p/cnwb7bot2qRQPSQDCkxniDTrx2ti7XpRc0z/S/Ho= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.107.213 with login) by smtp808.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 11:53:13 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: 9Yuo5hMVM1ljNfoZWQ86kUX_8vE3lDYNf8_9cdhWbYG1iv3S_H8wBDlyM1b9eUIifnQ9I3TAPPgLmM8G1ITtJ1bFWye_hlsUAYTxiUvOptpppjoTvISm2mk89u5JoEpW4Edn0iXQGkmmv2EWT6Gozqw8OV1ph4aGUAMsQ16BAQTvL9oTF2n6PujA7nXy7lv9xWbRXRp6IKdebffrEodF23abDzqUv9Fz4kbUGn3afiL4yikPlFayKVhqy7bnoj3bsNhnGQMNWrDFEv9EGiwOPlMCY0mis76PDHz2xTuOoNZ7oAmFlbzx X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <76F9FB14245541C0BBCD26D651D8A9E1@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <8bf118410907100011s696aa712sbd88bd3a023e1c39@mail.gmail.com> <001401ca0147$dc500d20$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <001401ca0147$dc500d20$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:53:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Mal, LF Group, > Like I said when the big BANG comes the Appliance operator and his data > gadgets will be rendered useless, whereas a Radio Amateur with his 2 > valved RX/TX, a morse key, a piece of wire for antenna and a pedal powered > power source will communicate on... Hmm, yes. With the imminent onset of the Nuclear Winter, you really could go on forever about the WX. Or perhaps the lack of activity? Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da03.mx.aol.com (rly-da03.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.77]) by air-da09.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDA091-a5c4a5ddb30da; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:36:01 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA034-a5c4a5ddb30da; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:35:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MR4dF-0006LJ-UC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:34:49 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MR4dF-0006LA-FQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:34:49 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MR4dC-0006QS-Av for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:34:48 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAP52XUpZ8ivc/2dsb2JhbADQd4QJBQ Received: from unknown (HELO TraceyPC) ([89.242.43.220]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 14:33:39 +0100 Message-ID: <39B0A379B1804734A817CDA9E9377A13@TraceyPC> From: "Tracey Gardner" To: References: <1EDB89E6D3E24E008B4897CFE896A09F@lindavideo> <4A5DD4CB.8020109@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <4A5DD4CB.8020109@usa.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:33:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Microwave oven transformers Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 >From a Wiki, Magnetic shunts can be used to limit current or regulate voltage. This regulation is accomplished by inserting a ferrous magnetic shunt into the transformer core, such that the magnetic flux from the primary winding has an alternate (although high impedance) path around the secondary winding. As the current draw on the transformer secondary winding increases, more primary magnetic flux diverts through the magnetic shunt. Selecting different materials with suitable saturation characteristics it is possible to make transformers with a range of regulation functions. Also in microwave oven transformers - small magnetic shunts provide enough leakage inductance to resonate the doubler capacitor 73s Tracey G5VU > > Just out of curiosity, what is the purpose of those magnetic shunts when > the > microwave oven transformers are used for their intended application ? > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (rly-ma06.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.50]) by air-ma05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMA053-8b24a56e9fb255; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:13:13 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA064-8b24a56e9fb255; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:13:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MPAGZ-0003OS-BF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:11:31 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MPAGY-0003OJ-Se for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:11:30 +0100 Received: from mail-ew0-f214.google.com ([209.85.219.214]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPAGV-0001S9-VW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:11:30 +0100 Received: by ewy10 with SMTP id 10so210482ewy.4 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:11:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ETM/rdR8yqPVeMF0d2FU2rhgdoHtSnc4utjJiStzNkA=; b=k+eAfP3wTCOmAXj5A2rYWlWSr5MikTokpyGOxwp0550RKzakehsuDlUz7o0rThohkr PZgCAZiufncIBrr2GIBR4hACZlOZcDZOBLyaSLG8j8fdRTnx0dy9gQ2rF4njc2XWCNF1 E84REmpcuLEdO/DEV2Z9wbB1BlJq040p+ZynU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ctznvmi1Nm0Jh1KGCOvFGOdkbSUbWQBpbdfM2YA7wlJJXQSVAvCZw9IkdpDeHfffXX KBYWbUVY+sjkDktT/bOMaTwBtpLHpy7Fm/r23Tduaw/vLnciwMtnqdiYpaYlF1sTuVxx /za0d2IomUvcfy5JYndZZLOkAkUUHiVG4EB+4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.11.84 with SMTP id 62mr471014wew.148.1247209881933; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:11:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:11:21 +0100 Message-ID: <8bf118410907100011s696aa712sbd88bd3a023e1c39@mail.gmail.com> From: Dave Pick To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d234.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Perhaps we should encourage a Loran jamming excercise to prove that it isn't the un-jammable marvel that its cracked up to be? ;-) Dave G3YXM 2009/7/9 Dave G3WCB : > Hmmm... I can only see an electricity substation at that exact > location...the source will probably on Henley's Down or somewhere simila= r. > > It'll mess-up any GPS-disciplined beacons (LF or Microwave)for a few hou= rs! > > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Andy Talbot > Sent: 08 July 2009 22:36 > To: ukmicrowaves@yahoogroups.com; uk_beacons@yahoogroups.com; > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Fwd: Fw: Ofcom Update: Date Correction - Forthcoming GPS > jamming exercises > > > The Lat/Long converts to: > Loc. JO00FV41 > NGR =A0TQ723122 > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > --- On Wed, 8/7/09, Updates wrote: > > From: Updates > Subject: Ofcom Update: Date Correction - Forthcoming GPS jamming exercis= es > To: > Date: Wednesday, 8 July, 2009, 11:14 AM > > The MoD has informed Ofcom of the following GPS jamming exercise: > > Dates: 14th and 15th October 2009. > > Times: Maximum of two hours between the times of 08:00-12:00 and > 13:30=9615:30 each day. > > Location: Within 1km of N50=B0 53.0=92 and E000=B0 27.0=92 (Bexhill, Eas= t Sussex). > > Contact: Trial Manager (during the trial) on 07776 484226. > > ........................................................................= ... > > > --=20 G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc02.mx.aol.com (rly-dc02.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.31]) by air-dc06.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC064-b0b4a6102765c; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:00:23 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC027-b0b4a6102765c; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:00:09 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MRwOD-0004ut-Og for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 23:58:53 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MRwOD-0004uk-6p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 23:58:53 +0100 Received: from mail-bw0-f212.google.com ([209.85.218.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MRwNz-0003tY-Ue for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 23:58:40 +0100 Received: by bwz8 with SMTP id 8so1111721bwz.4 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:58:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=EOA7KDKscWWizS+/Pf8LyBeQ6BrzGm+wSQzy6QFF14I=; b=ppZl5Vg59Dh8Q9DOETI58yU9vAWHo0hxfPFeCTEqu96ENX91WgMQ+RV8qib7nb2n4s vbx9xE5HHfuAa/CMYNUX+uV3kg/dxUIsKfjAGk80wZKVlpeLJhfQdKejWaYkjEnbnG4Q wdwapipKjGGfqU/GR6CIYTEUEnENzwjW7gwMg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=uwEiiOuqid76V0mxdZxZLU/4HIk0vYpZAHMYJbB4ZCcUXbGk6YhKHHHJb53HoRy5TY 2EpCtiH7s/pHuJrblamtEs9D/mEwygx4K6s3vDnO/5wjuZ0qUp0GN8sOggaLQmlJhuUX eHaBDexz+HfbZaNRi3uyWf9a4FOdRfoR9qM9k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.61.204 with SMTP id u12mr1396766bkh.149.1247871524256; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:58:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <001901ca0721$1062dc30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> References: <001901ca0721$1062dc30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 22:58:44 +0000 Message-ID: <1d8f89cf0907171558r463f8bd7k509fb34f1238e74c@mail.gmail.com> From: Thule To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 6M Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d264.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) 2009/7/17 mal hamilton said: > I worked a few for some CW practice. Good, you could do with some.... From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (rly-ma07.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.51]) by air-ma02.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMA024-8b74a65c30d2b6; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:31:29 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA071-8b74a65c30d2b6; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:30:55 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTFPs-0007ah-4r for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:30:00 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTFPr-0007aY-At for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:29:59 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.54]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTFPm-0003Al-Fc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:29:57 +0100 X-Trace: 230242816/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.72.80/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.72.80 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArMEALdfZUpYakhQ/2dsb2JhbACCKSsjNVqHAoUehkS6MwmEAwU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,240,1246834800"; d="jpg'145?scan'145,208,217,145";a="230242816" Received: from 88-106-72-80.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.72.80]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 21 Jul 2009 14:29:49 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:29:48 +0100 Message-ID: <001801ca0a07$51bcffb0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcoJ65d0PhMV+AtRSCSe+8aNIIowGAAACzdgAAXKCKA= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: RTE 1 504khz harmonic Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01CA0A0F.B38167B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CA0A0F.B38167B0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_001A_01CA0A0F.B38167B0" ------=_NextPart_001_001A_01CA0A0F.B38167B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Mike, LF, Thanks for your reply & the FB link. I am about 160 miles (250km) from the transmitter with about 125 miles (200km) sea path. The harmonic signal on 504kHz is visible with SpecLab for about 95% of the time but the patterns I have described are random but appear to be controlled as the are instantly on or off as if by human intervention. The start of the pattern usually is slightly tapered & the finish is a fan shape as seen in the spliced images attached. The total time of this sequence yesterday (one of two) was about 80 minutes with little variation of the parallel pattern other than the start & end. Cheers, Gary - G4WGT. _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Michael Probert GW4HXO Sent: 21 July 2009 11:32 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RTE 1 504khz harmonic Hello group, The transmitter is located about 30miles NW of Dublin and is mainly a sea path down to my qth. The 2nd harmonic presence seems to vary from time to time and does not depend on which antenna I use, either pa0rdt or 20m top loaded vertical. Gary,not sure how close to the coast you are but maybe it is directly across the water from you. 73 Mike GW4HXO. _____ http://www.waniewski.de e BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter ------=_NextPart_001_001A_01CA0A0F.B38167B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Mike, LF,

 

Thanks for your reply & the FB link.

 

I am about 160 miles (250km) from the transmitter with about 125 miles (200= km) sea path.

 

The harmonic signal on 504kHz is visible with SpecLab for about 95% of the= time but the patterns I have described are random but appear to be controlled= as the are instantly on or off as if by human intervention.

 

The start of the pattern usually is slightly tapered & the finish is= a fan shape as seen in the spliced images attached. The total time of this= sequence yesterday (one of two) was about  80 minutes with little variatio= n of the parallel pattern other than the start & end.

 

Cheers,

 

Gary – G4WGT.

 

From:= owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] On Behalf Of Michael Pr= obert GW4HXO
Sent: 21 July 2009 11:3= 2
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: RTE 1 504k= hz harmonic

 

Hello group,

 

The transmitter= is located about 30miles NW of Dublin and is mainly a sea path down to my qth. The 2nd harmonic presence seems to vary from time to time and does not depend= on which antenna I use, either pa0rdt or 20m top loaded vertical.

 

Gary,not sure how close to the coast you are but maybe it is directly across the water from you.<= o:p>

 

73

 

Mike GW4HXO.

 

 

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Hello everyone. Does any one have experience in using microwave oven transformers in= high voltage power units, I acquired two of these at the weekend. I= was informed that as they stand the voltage regulation is poor, to im= prove this the 'Core Shunts' should be removed, (these are laminations= between the two stacks), removal of these 'shunts' also has the effec= t of considerably increasing the magnetisation current. The solution= to this seems to be to use two transformers, connecting the both prim= aries and secondary's in series to restore the 2KV output voltage. Any comments on this most welcome Note for Mal, this is serious stuff not for appliance operators. Regards Ken Wright 73 de M0KHW ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01CA04C0.BBA9CDA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello everyone.
Does any one have experience in using= microwave=20 oven transformers in high voltage power units, I acquired two of these= at the=20 weekend. I was informed that as they stand the voltage regulation is= poor, to=20 improve this the 'Core Shunts' should be removed, (these are laminatio= ns between=20 the two stacks), removal of these 'shunts' also has the effect of cons= iderably=20 increasing the magnetisation current. The solution to this seems to be= to use=20 two transformers, connecting the both primaries and secondary's in ser= ies to=20 restore the 2KV output voltage.
 
Any comments on this most welcome
 
Note for Mal, this is serious stuff= not for=20 appliance operators.
 
Regards
Ken Wright
 
73 de M0KHW
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01CA04C0.BBA9CDA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da06.mx.aol.com (rly-da06.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.80]) by air-da09.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDA092-a734a4b43e2355; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 07:09:30 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da06.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA063-a734a4b43e2355; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 07:09:28 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MLxf8-0005qS-GC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:07:38 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MLxer-0005pA-LJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:07:21 +0100 Received: from smtp800.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.60]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MLwkw-0000fh-CP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 11:09:36 +0100 Received: (qmail 97742 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2009 10:07:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=VIW/S+eBwAh+fKd4pdmernYUDZGiL7xl5Ek7KuVkJ0Cw7AAZSt9hREthXSJvMd3Xu3LcRlkwNf/JYuHCudDim1kp25CrlSSN6wQf7xuXBjYsvvP8b6d8RkCZXbCZZn4bXjiy3IZfaWG13H64/7WGrJgCP+OKMbyfuc0AAar+LAs= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.110.60 with login) by smtp800.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2009 10:07:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xK_jj08VM1nh6MD2iw6ljavHhoZ0Yhu9LIyuF4MTRloPTTBNcNes9ytvc.VlATaw0bhUmsEL.Ll4mXvy.NNIMdQof7RBE9t115eCLTXLm_G_y9OWmO9_YFDRS5wLrMolxkonLkWAyZ7VnXXBdBtWHQZN2M0_uH9B8ZZ0or014372Jzgv0WIelqA2c1ZZtvu0HWGbRAL3XIHr4T3Grt9VH5Mj6PjlPxfpxC9Np1PUe1giw0X41.Q06lao.hcUFe91uzfIIDm3XD8n6PKZoYEglkMtt2xEpUt98o3FnJfu0n8zYZE_1EI- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <419CE9EDB0A4442AA5A2AB863BE923C5@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <4A4A9857.2060604@sighthound.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4A4A9857.2060604@sighthound.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:07:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 503.7kHz - its back Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear John, Andy, LF Group, G4JNT is the usual steady ground-wave signal here. Also, at about 0040utc, heard a CW beacon sending "GM4SLV test" on 501.5kHz, reaching 559 at the peaks of slow QSB lasting several minutes. It is quite noticeable how more distant stations (SM6BHZ also) have a much "smoother" fading characteristic, not unlike 136kHz, compared to stations at a few 100kms, which vary wildly in level over shorter periods of time. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd10.mx.aol.com (rly-dd10.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.157]) by air-dd01.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDD014-ba14a5e420ee5; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:55:12 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd10.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD103-ba14a5e420ee5; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:54:40 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MRBU3-0000Qh-Pj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:53:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MRBU3-0000QY-EI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:53:47 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MRBTr-0007p1-IU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:53:36 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D56394C8176 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:53:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B82D4C8129 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:53:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A5E41D1.6090003@online.fr> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:53:37 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200907151729430361.091BDC4C@smtp2.numeo.fr> <000a01ca056e$0f4b3950$0201a8c0@euro7g1ku6dl5q> In-Reply-To: <000a01ca056e$0f4b3950$0201a8c0@euro7g1ku6dl5q> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: LF T/A [137kHz] WD2XGJ Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000302050201050804000706" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------000302050201050804000706 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Warren , LF , Good copy XGJ last night ( see capture ) 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj --------------000302050201050804000706 Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="20090715224813.jpg" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="20090715224813.jpg" /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQEASABIAAD/2wBDAAUDBAQEAwUEBAQFBQUGBwwIBwcHBw8LCwkMEQ8SEhEP ERETFhwXExQaFRERGCEYGh0dHx8fExciJCIeJBweHx7/2wBDAQUFBQcGBw4ICA4eFBEUHh4eHh4e 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X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C9FCDE.84D1A1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT 4 july ROUND 1930 ONWARDS Operating on 502.00 khz cw ,=20 RX 502 kx +/- also rx on 3533 / 7033 cw - cross band =20 Possibly operating till round 2400 hrs=20 qsl GB4FPR@HOTMAIL.CO.UK=20 Reports welcome=20 Tnx- Graham=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C9FCDE.84D1A1C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 GB4FPR  502.00 KHZ TONIGHT=   4 july=20 ROUND 1930  ONWARDS
 
Operating on 502.00  khz cw ,
 
RX 502 kx +/-  also rx on = 3533 /=20 7033  cw -  cross band 
 
Possibly operating till  round&n= bsp; 2400 hrs=20
 
 
Reports welcome
 
Tnx- Graham
 
 
 
 

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<4A548D6B.3070504@btconnect.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:45:17 +0100 Message-ID: <000901c9ffda$b68e43e0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4A548D6B.3070504@btconnect.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: Acn/xfPC2WsOVmZpTXOt8wiG/kSKEwAEzcAg X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: G4WGT Grabber Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Richard, I must admit that I don't know, I just run the software & don't carry out any processing of the data. But, I seem to remember that Andy once stated that the noise trace is carried out at a different time or something similar. As the software is reading noise when there is no signal present it could be a 1 minute average of the three 1 minute time slots, I am sure Andy will provide an explanation. There could be information about it at the RSGB link I placed on the grabber page? http://www.rsgb.org/spectrumforum/hf/beaconauto.php Cheers, Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Richard Newstead Sent: 08 July 2009 13:14 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: G4WGT Grabber Gary - G4WGT wrote: > Andy, LF, > > Thank you Andy, I was about to place an answer to David's query, his > question has prompted me to add a little more info on the grabber page. > > Thanks to you both. > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > Gary Why don't the blue and green traces follow the noise? 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (rly-mf04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.174]) by air-mf02.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMF024-95a4a5062f129f; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 04:23:28 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF048-95a4a5062f129f; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 04:23:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MNMzU-0004iW-Tg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:22:28 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MNMzU-0004iN-Bj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:22:28 +0100 Received: from psmtp13.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.25]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MNMzS-0005di-RA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:22:28 +0100 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp13.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KMA00AAAV9676@psmtp13.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:22:19 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:22:06 +0200 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <37F97C9360DA42E3AB044005A96EBE0F@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: WPF 05-07.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_uAF6oc8qkmIy8kyKjledLQ)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_uAF6oc8qkmIy8kyKjledLQ) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_gl3acoAvIf1bXe5MYTRErA)" --Boundary_(ID_gl3acoAvIf1bXe5MYTRErA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi,LF, capture WPF Henny pa3cpm 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: WPF 05-07.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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Hi,LF,
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Not sure what they do, this was info from the person who sold them to me, he seemed to know a lot about themand using them in PSUs. Maybe someone in this forum can write a short explanation for us. Ken 73deM0KHW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alberto di Bene" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:08 PM Subject: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers > Ken wrote: > >> I was informed that as they stand the voltage regulation is poor, to >> improve this the 'Core Shunts' should be removed, (these are laminations >> between the two stacks), removal of these 'shunts' also has the effect of >> considerably increasing the magnetisation current. > > Just out of curiosity, what is the purpose of those magnetic shunts when > the > microwave oven transformers are used for their intended application ? > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb05.mx.aol.com (rly-mb05.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.163]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMB054-d064a6c9ef127f; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 14:22:57 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb05.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB052-d064a6c9ef127f; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 14:22:43 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MV8Lw-0005St-Cc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:21:44 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MV8Lt-0005Sk-KZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:21:41 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-2.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.243] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MV8Lo-0004KT-Rx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:21:39 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwEAPM6bEpOlHk5/2dsb2JhbACCVIIbx06EDQU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.148.121.57]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2009 19:21:31 +0100 Message-ID: <006501ca0e1d$e61e0d10$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <004e01ca0e08$4e2b7ac0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <009501ca0e19$b3045fa0$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:21:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: RE: BEACON Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0062_01CA0E26.4787F900" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01CA0E26.4787F900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thats encouraging Gary. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gary - G4WGT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 6:51 PM Subject: LF: RE: BEACON=20 Mal, =20 EI0CF beacon received here at good strength & If you look, Finbar's= beacon can be seen on both UK grabbers (G4WGT & G3YXM). =20 Gary - G4WGT. =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 26 July 2009 16:47 To: rsgb Subject: LF: BEACON=20 =20 EI0CF QTH EJM in beacon mode. Am I the only one receiving this beacon. What about the grabbers? de g3kev =20 I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.30/2262 - Release Date: 07= /25/09 18:01:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01CA0E26.4787F900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thats encouraging Gary.
de mal/g3kev
 
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Mal,

 

EI0CF=20 beacon received here at good strength & If you look, Finbar=92s= beacon can=20 be seen on both UK grabbers (G4WGT &=20 G3YXM).

 

Gary=20 =96 G4WGT.

 

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From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 26 July 2009 16:47To: rsgb
Subject: LF: BEACON

 

EI0CF QTH EJM in beacon=20 mode.

Am I the only one receiving this= =20 beacon. What about the grabbers?

de=20 g3kev

 

 
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------=_NextPart_000_0062_01CA0E26.4787F900-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (rly-mb03.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.161]) by air-mb04.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMB044-cf94a5ddb3038a; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:36:09 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB035-cf94a5ddb3038a; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:35:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MR4dM-0006LW-AT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:34:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MR4dL-0006LN-SG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:34:55 +0100 Received: from mout3.freenet.de ([195.4.92.93]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MR4dA-0002qj-Q0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:34:45 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.15] (helo=5.mx.freenet.de) by mout3.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID exim) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #92) id 1MR4dI-0003YO-0G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:34:52 +0200 Received: from www14.emo.freenet-rz.de ([194.97.107.207]:42508) by 5.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID exim) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #93) id 1MR4cm-0007XI-4i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:34:20 +0200 Received: from www-data by www14.emo.freenet-rz.de with local (Exim 4.67 1 (Panther_1)) id 1MR4ck-00019O-GI for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:34:18 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: dl4yhf@freenet.de X-Priority: 3 X-Abuse: 505770703 / 213.182.109.203 User-Agent: freenetMail MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:34:18 +0200 X-purgate-ID: 149285::1247664860-00002CDC-6E574B40/0-0/0-0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) These special transformers need the magnetic bypass because a magnetron lo= oks (as a load) like a Z diode. So they are powered, more or less, with a constant current source rather= than a constant voltage source. In other words, the "generator" (transformer) must have a large source imp= edance, and that's what the magnetic bypass in the 'former does. Cheers, Wolf . ----- original Nachricht -------- Betreff: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers Gesendet: Mi 15 Jul 2009 15:23:54 CEST Von: "Ken" > Hi. > Not sure what they do, this was info from the person who sold them to me= , he >=20 > seemed to know a lot about themand using them in PSUs. Maybe someone in= this >=20 > forum can write a short explanation for us. >=20 > Ken >=20 > 73deM0KHW >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Alberto di Bene" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:08 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers >=20 >=20 > > Ken wrote: > > > >> I was informed that as they stand the voltage regulation is poor, to= =20 > >> improve this the 'Core Shunts' should be removed, (these are laminati= ons >=20 > >> between the two stacks), removal of these 'shunts' also has the effec= t of >=20 > >> considerably increasing the magnetisation current. > > > > Just out of curiosity, what is the purpose of those magnetic shunts wh= en=20 > > the > > microwave oven transformers are used for their intended application ? > > > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --- original Nachricht Ende ---- #adBox3 {display:none;} From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc02.mx.aol.com (rly-mc02.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.86]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMC024-d5d4a506da3299; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 05:08:55 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC025-d5d4a506da3299; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 05:08:53 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MNNhz-0005Au-P2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:08:27 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MNNhz-0005Al-BE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:08:27 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.53]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MNNhx-0005xU-4E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:08:27 +0100 X-Trace: 224894882/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.66.227/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.66.227 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ak0HAMgKUEpYakLj/2dsb2JhbACDLIdNgkeCNrptCYQJBQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,351,1243810800"; d="scan'208";a="224894882" Received: from 88-106-66-227.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.66.227]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 05 Jul 2009 10:08:24 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: , , <4A503BF8.31954.163F21@dave.davesergeant.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 10:08:24 +0100 Message-ID: <002d01c9fd50$26b18930$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acn9M2z2FstQo1wpSSCCzAGIAZHKWAAHCfAg In-Reply-To: <4A503BF8.31954.163F21@dave.davesergeant.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: Re: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Dave, LF, You wrote :- "579 here in Bracknell, IO91PJ. I assume it was at your QTH Graham?" GB4FPR was operating from the Fort. http://www.gb4imd.org.uk/fortperch.htm 73 Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave Sergeant Sent: 05 July 2009 06:37 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS On 5 Jul 2009 at 1:24, James Moritz wrote: > Dear Graham, LF Group, > > Tried replying to your CQs a couple of times around 2200utc, but no > response - perhaps that receiver does need a look... > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > 579 here in Bracknell, IO91PJ. I assume it was at your QTH Graham? Was not in a position to call last night, but judging from other comments I guess you would have never heard my milliwatts... I was a bit mystified to see Chris G3XIZ (always 599+ many) call you and not a dickey bird of a response, maybe the receiver does need a bit of work doing on it... 73 Dave G3YMC http://www.davesergeant.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb06.mx.aol.com (rly-mb06.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.164]) by air-mb06.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMB062-d0e4a5e3ec82ff; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:41:04 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb06.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB062-d0e4a5e3ec82ff; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:40:42 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MRBFw-0000Hp-4b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:39:12 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MRBFv-0000Hg-Ix for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:39:11 +0100 Received: from cpsmtpm-eml105.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.9]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MRBFr-0002eC-U1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:39:10 +0100 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 ([81.204.139.159]) by CPSMTPM-EML105.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6001.18000); Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:39:01 +0200 Message-ID: <739698B75D344BD8A9819C8C0F1EDB80@ns94d01ae4d850> From: "henny van elst" To: "blacksheep" Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:39:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2009 20:39:01.0104 (UTC) FILETIME=[48F4BF00:01CA058C] X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: captur f8boj.jpg Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01CA059D.0BEAEBF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01CA059D.0BEAEBF0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0004_01CA059D.0BEAEBF0" ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01CA059D.0BEAEBF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi LF, Capture F8BOJ Henny pa3cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden ver= zonden: captur f8boj.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virus= sen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe.= Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt wete= n hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01CA059D.0BEAEBF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi LF,
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OK0EMW Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-2"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Lubos, LF! OK0EMW audible last night, ~21.20z! mp3-file: http://rn3agc.msk.ru/sound/090728-ok0emw-cw.mp3 73 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma02.mx.aol.com (rly-ma02.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.46]) by air-ma09.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMA093-8934a5876e41ab; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:26:40 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA025-8934a5876e41ab; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:26:31 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MPahs-0008Ud-VM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:25:28 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MPahs-0008UU-JM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:25:28 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-2.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.243] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPahk-0004v8-PN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:25:21 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap0EAOMTWEpOlVV4/2dsb2JhbACEbcgNhAkF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.149.85.120]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 12:25:20 +0100 Message-ID: <003c01ca021a$4612e890$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <20090710205142.789D420040@smtp.hushmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:22:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 MSG auto killed no signature g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 9:51 PM Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises > > Also auto killed - no sense, as usual... > > > On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:03:40 +0000 mal hamilton > wrote: >>MSG auto killed no signature >>g3kev > > -- > Online Stock Trading - Straightforward pricing. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.10/2230 - Release Date: 07/10/09 17:57:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da03.mx.aol.com (rly-da03.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.77]) by air-da01.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDA014-a5f4a6896adf2; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:58:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA037-a5f4a6896adf2; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:58:23 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MU1bH-00058b-Rw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:56:59 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MU1bH-00058S-BG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:56:59 +0100 Received: from smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.17]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MU1bD-0000WC-Es for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:56:57 +0100 Received: (qmail 2817 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2009 16:56:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=TAhljeK1Ca0Jqqr/XtZlKc9h7xtWA2hjKqISvr1SrvcKZhQBWlG/trRdTvQoJMpmDgXVcfQqtmHTWC4czD3X78hEW/8fQR7c1OFeoSOAfeJ7Txg02PyWW+Q8ukhuoJ/gT+ZCaQIDNvZah8VmMo4IREezzTHQ048gtjRsrt1GQxM= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Lark) (alan.melia@213.122.62.230 with login) by smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2009 16:56:49 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: KHdpK2OswBBXlm4uxknbEiS4uYdJoGknHN90u4K8__lTafnafZg- X-YMail-OSG: MXtRUzsVM1lsZBGuegbzy3o5kRunOC.Mdtcmf8Ka9L4n2Q9IufQMJ49H_elRzMZ47swYlcuP5aNSLswTaMjAnNa3NzqMPY1WUQSyPi3T75XhmEgvEq2akrs5aj5Z1dyylInvpk_hscIxODdocicMCW3t1HuJsw4OYidB2oN2FU6Td0cPJjy35yIF7hdupS5HKgKgS6CW5pAzZnXxt52fxw7n5IfaPI2UKI8SWHfKMkk67mkEnpNJjUTMmYmNAXiRgyeDeD_SrYAiMzQjvlhVsbwtP7pALMz6.ydJ0cEmqFJWOepRCsAHOV_VUq9CKposxVmbPPy0aJ8Znhx40fiOzYUwxOkUAaqsfSBzAzg- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <00a001ca0bb6$9466d100$0900a8c0@AM> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <000001ca0922$9cf3c580$6401a8c0@asus> <006501ca0926$8f4743e0$0900a8c0@AM> <4A681267.9010602@online.fr> <57a24ca70907230856t4877342erfb2c84bc4891fee7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:56:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: [137kHz] T/A WD2XGJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Warren and listeners.....yes there was a sudden KP=6 which depressed the Dst to -65nT and Steve W4EEE's plot of DCF39 was noticably lower than previous night. I think things should recover fairly quickly the Dst was back to -30nT this morning. So there might be slighly lower signals levels for a night or so before it returns to what it was. Thanks for the beacon Warren and the nice pic of the gear !! Best Wishes Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" To: Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 4:56 PM Subject: Re: LF: [137kHz] T/A WD2XGJ Hi Jean-Pierre, Thanks for the report. I ran full power for one 'XGJ' string, just bad conditions. -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 3:33 AM, "Jean-Pierre Méré (F1AFJ)" wrote: > Hi Warren , LF , > > Just a small trace last night ! > Or the propagation are very bad ? > Or Warren forgot to bring PA ! > Or perhaps spots of the sun of these last days > > 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb08.mx.aol.com (rly-mb08.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.166]) by air-mb05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMB052-d234a6460511bf; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:17:39 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB087-d234a6460511bf; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:17:26 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MSrmm-0004jP-NB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:16:04 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MSrmm-0004jG-7x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:16:04 +0100 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MSrmW-0005az-7M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:15:49 +0100 Received: (qmail 5662 invoked by uid 507); 20 Jul 2009 14:15:44 +0200 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2009 14:15:44 +0200 Message-ID: <200907201415500018.10EA9B02@smtp2.numeo.fr> In-Reply-To: <20541.82.92.124.189.1248088034.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <20541.82.92.124.189.1248088034.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:15:50 +0200 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: 504khz harmonic. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 How did EJM (Malin Head Radio) cope on 500? 73 John F5VLF *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 20/07/2009 at 13:07 Roelof Bakker wrote: >Hello Alan, Gary, > >The harmonic of RTE 252 on 504 kHz has been reported all over Westen >Europe on all kind of antennas as does not seem to be an antenna or >receiver anomaly. > >Best regards, >Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df07.mx.aol.com (rly-df07.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.20]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDF033-5664a5661cb1da; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:32:14 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF077-5664a5661cb1da; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:31:57 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MP1CY-0002iv-C6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:30:46 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MP1CX-0002im-RB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:30:45 +0100 Received: from smtp807.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.67]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MP1CV-00054u-Fl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:30:45 +0100 Received: (qmail 53056 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 21:30:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Importance:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To; b=jIiME0Cs48FV19cp/Abe5QIckFBLRHNs5tv4Qbgm5ByRGBMerQyoyaT1fwqBemWtrMX1jrpyxM2OgLTiPdNeNWMAN862hJWGKUC4w5ODYL+yzyTfCTbaBv3ITrfdjd6DKsoqx60jFWy3OmiJqrIbeN/ZmbQqDNj2tgMFVL7fFaM= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@81.154.12.220 with login) by smtp807.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 21:30:37 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: JSvqNSWswBBXc9Mk_Vd71RtGz2bViJtuZMADdmi78eLqBj_R7.fL X-YMail-OSG: xJobs5gVM1lZ0gg6reFAc_yu.hYz6_yGisUz0LS5.tx0GUyA606iUSCXz1pMWTnfVTJvJp5uAwPJmmJbRwd21btmbjzLUAmb1uxTbhjkQ6QhoviOvMIpGO9JYFxabtUr91s9x0hK8h0CKOS2q9sj4MD0QjR_Te9CqqXV94H_h3it5S9UKsf27KiSSvMCOp5vTXYSK3S35TfOhV92GoPIloC3WLiYtUdp.LywC46d1uJBUyDhUK0mRneNgBZw8SgFM2jzgHD8Rq0lPu1zDyxy1jMHVjlTPB9BtbzQAeGF.OEVpgdYErdGeUimz6IxfFqxNBnsdyYDiwOi04LgEqcRbFVOUd9W7kqCmmxALQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 22:30:57 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hmmm... I can only see an electricity substation at that exact location...the source will probably on Henley's Down or somewhere similar. It'll mess-up any GPS-disciplined beacons (LF or Microwave)for a few hours! 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Andy Talbot Sent: 08 July 2009 22:36 To: ukmicrowaves@yahoogroups.com; uk_beacons@yahoogroups.com; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Fwd: Fw: Ofcom Update: Date Correction - Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises The Lat/Long converts to: Loc. JO00FV41 NGR TQ723122 Andy www.g4jnt.com --- On Wed, 8/7/09, Updates wrote: From: Updates Subject: Ofcom Update: Date Correction - Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises To: Date: Wednesday, 8 July, 2009, 11:14 AM The MoD has informed Ofcom of the following GPS jamming exercise: Dates: 14th and 15th October 2009. Times: Maximum of two hours between the times of 08:00-12:00 and 13:30–15:30 each day. Location: Within 1km of N50° 53.0’ and E000° 27.0’ (Bexhill, East Sussex). Contact: Trial Manager (during the trial) on 07776 484226. ........................................................................... From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df02.mx.aol.com (rly-df02.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.15]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDF012-5354a5f201029f; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 08:42:01 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF028-5354a5f201029f; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 08:41:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MRQGF-00056B-3V for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:40:31 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MRQGE-000562-Ip for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:40:30 +0100 Received: from mail-yx0-f179.google.com ([209.85.210.179]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MRQGB-0007xs-0c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:40:29 +0100 Received: by yxe9 with SMTP id 9so119280yxe.30 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 05:40:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=iX47PqwYkvf21iePlWurcOFnfnki/udHY1Oi/g0oLGs=; b=MObKH55YxjZOs4t2r+aQbUZEhkx2hbHHSWLNfuvSKRXWE/ORetAeGHp3em+79vloyW hccY2s2RTMf+H7WmenUiPhfXY6hah881aOO7kD1Pmk7GZol4MEeiQG+Bw/N9egqr8qui WH4D3oCAV7BXiGbS85rZoGC/0+0BWVbDS8PRQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=IkwZiNi18lvI1lFcm/YUUafHaUXCs4DMMpkfFEAIhyEqMQeNR45v8Nke7fgIGRB4WW hzxbZHNHgXm+vUFpfj+8O7/B/7qyr1prSEabEGd4ZFsZSEqtoD45sPMMbqis5e9VEZ8y S0pAF9PaiNetHj0zsUpEqa//oamqIwc/3ZimQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.186.15 with SMTP id j15mr14557203ybf.201.1247748019893; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 05:40:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A5EF0DC.4020703@online.fr> References: <32A397601B41446080BDA56C913775B5@ns94d01ae4d850> <001e01ca05f3$c5589870$0201a8c0@euro7g1ku6dl5q> <4A5EF0DC.4020703@online.fr> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 08:40:19 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70907160540m113228a0x58210c026f36252@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 07-16-2009..info's f8boj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d257.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Henny, Claude, Jean-Pierre, Thank you for the excellent 'XGJ' captures! --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 5:20 AM, "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 (F1AFJ)" wrote: > Hi Claude , Henny , Warren , > > Yes the propagation is very good on 2200 in this July (it is in general= the > worst month with August) > > 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj > > Claude Berthebaud a =E9crit : >> >> Hello Warren,LF group >> Very good copy this morning with L inverted antenna and my yaesu FT990 >> pleasure Claude F8boj > > henny van elst a =E9crit : >> >> Hi Warren LF, >> capture xgj,with qrm >> henny pa3cpm >> 73s >> > --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de12.mx.aol.com (rly-de12.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.148]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDE071-51d4a5067752d1; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 04:42:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de12.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE124-51d4a5067752d1; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 04:42:31 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MNNI7-0004x0-12 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:41:43 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MNNI6-0004wr-KX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:41:42 +0100 Received: from smtp23.services.sfr.fr ([93.17.128.19]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MNNI4-0001pl-RZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:41:41 +0100 Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2318.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0A6637000090 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 10:41:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from euro7g1ku6dl5q (67.228.197-77.rev.gaoland.net [77.197.228.67]) by msfrf2318.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with SMTP id C9BD07000089 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 10:41:35 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20090705084135826.C9BD07000089@msfrf2318.sfr.fr Message-ID: <002201c9fd4c$67e60740$0201a8c0@euro7g1ku6dl5q> From: "Claude Berthebaud" To: References: <200907051027430187.0906DDAA@smtp2.numeo.fr> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 10:41:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090704-0, 04/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: 137kHz F8BOJ 40 to 50 dB above noise Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 hi John Thank you very much John for the control .. I am up to 12h you qrv Good Sunday Regards Claude F8boj ----- Original Message ----- From: "John RABSON" To: Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 10:27 AM Subject: LF: 137kHz F8BOJ 40 to 50 dB above noise > At 0826z. > > John F5VLF > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md04.mx.aol.com (rly-md04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.142]) by air-md07.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMD073-8fc4a6c446221f; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 07:56:28 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD044-8fc4a6c446221f; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 07:56:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MV2Jg-0004aL-Ar for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:55:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MV2Jf-0004aA-Mr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:54:59 +0100 Received: from blu0-omc1-s28.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.39]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MV2JJ-0001Ze-PB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:54:39 +0100 Received: from BLU146-W25 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s28.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 26 Jul 2009 04:54:49 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [117.12.238.242] From: Laurence BY3A-KL1X China To: Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 03:54:49 -0800 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2009 11:54:49.0347 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0CABD30:01CA0DE7] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_0101a2f8-d81e-4f39-8395-295612d773d1_" Subject: LF: gw3uep 100w qtx X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_0101a2f8-d81e-4f39-8395-295612d773d1_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 I was whistling with some time to spare in 9V and built the 25W version th= en did a messy retro to convert it to the 100W version using the single IR= F640. =20 With 24V applied the dummy load (2 x 10W 100 ohm wire wound in parallel-= all that was available to me) gets smoking hot within a min which is eith= er a good sign if you like RF but not good if your a resistor....no compos= ites or more RF friendly available. =20 http://uk500khz.googlegroups.com/web/MFCW100WPA_220709.gif =20 Wonder if anyone can tell me if theyve noticed any heating of L2 and to a= lesser extent L3. Nothing hot just warm so some losses. This maybe due to= the load but perhaps not. =20 Has anyone had to add a sink on TR2 the pass device due to higher temps at= 5A ? =20 The IRF device is Cold at full output (and I do mean Cold) which is a very= good sign. All caps are cold (I paralled Polys to get to the right figure= ) =20 Im without test equipment here in China with just a multimeter but it appe= ars all is well...so hence the questions. =20 All readings are as Roger et al described... with thanks =20 Laurence KL1X in BY3a =20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99 Hotmail=AE: Celebrate the moment with your favorite sports= pics. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=3DTXT_TAG= LM_WL_QA_HM_sports_photos_072009&cat=3Dsports=3D --_0101a2f8-d81e-4f39-8395-295612d773d1_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  

I was whistling with some time to spare in 9V and built the 25W versio= n then did a messy retro to convert it to the 100W version using the= single IRF640.
 
With 24V applied the dummy load (2 x 10W 100 ohm wire wound  in= parallel- all that was available to me) gets smoking hot within a min whi= ch is either a good sign if you like RF but not good if your a resistor...= .no composites or more RF friendly available.
 
htt= p://uk500khz.googlegroups.com/web/MFCW100WPA_220709.gif
 
Wonder if anyone can tell me if theyve noticed any heating of L2 and to a= lesser extent L3. Nothing hot just warm so some losses. This maybe due to= the load but perhaps not.
 
Has anyone had to add a sink on TR2 the pass device due to higher temps at= 5A ?
 
The IRF device is Cold at full output (and I do mean Cold) which is a very= good sign. All caps are cold (I paralled Polys to get to the right figure= )
 
Im without test equipment here in China with just a multimeter but it appe= ars all is well...so hence the questions.
 
All readings are as Roger et al described... with thanks
 
Laurence KL1X in BY3a
 
 

Windows Live=99 Hotmail=AE: Celebrate the moment wit= h your favorite sports pics. Check it out. =3D --_0101a2f8-d81e-4f39-8395-295612d773d1_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (rly-mg08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.114]) by air-mg09.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMG092-a2b4a4b77c312c; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 10:51:13 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG085-a2b4a4b77c312c; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 10:50:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MM17e-0006Rx-Mj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:49:18 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MM17e-0006Ro-3v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:49:18 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.53]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MM17Y-0003hv-7u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:49:18 +0100 X-Trace: 223246383/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.66.227/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.66.227 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsQEAFAUS0pYakLj/2dsb2JhbACCKStXVYZxhHbAMgmEBwWBOA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,324,1243810800"; d="scan'208,217";a="223246383" Received: from 88-106-66-227.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.66.227]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 01 Jul 2009 15:49:11 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <002101c9f9b2$086fcf50$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 15:49:11 +0100 Message-ID: <007a01c9fa5b$186ffc50$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: Acn5y14mzSXlHGYQSZKo0MhDsHGaAwAjxoEg X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: RE: 503.7kHz - its back Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007B_01C9FA63.7A346450" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C9FA63.7A346450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Andy, LF, Yes, it seems OK now. I didn't announce the fact as I wasn't sure. I carried out a repair to the dongle type USB sound card I was using for 503.7kHz, I found that the solder had cracked were the PCB connects to the USB connector. Cheers, Gary - G4WGT. _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot Sent: 30 June 2009 22:37 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: 503.7kHz - its back You seem to have got it working now (22:30a) Andy G4JNT wobbleU cubed .g4jnt.kom 2009/6/30 Gary - G4WGT Andy, LF, Unable to restart the 503.7kHz grabber at the moment due to usb sound card failure. Will be on as soon as a replacement card is available. 73 Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot Sent: 30 June 2009 10:38 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 503.7kHz - its back My beacon on 503.7kHz is back on. 04/19/34/49 minutes past the hour ~+25dBm EIRP. Callsign, power steps, full power carrier 25 - 30 seconds then PSK31 from :30s Andy www.g4jnt.com ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C9FA63.7A346450 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Andy, LF,

 

Yes, it seems OK now. I didn’t announce the fact as I wasn’t sure.=

 

I carried out a repair to the dongle type USB sound card I was using for 503.7kHz, I found that the solder had cracked were the PCB connects to= the USB connector.

 

Cheers,

 

Gary – G4WGT.

 

From:= owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot
Sent: 30 June 2009 22:3= 7
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: RE: 50= 3.7kHz - its back

 

You seem to hav= e got it working now (22:30a)
Andy  G4JNT
wobbleU cubed .g4jnt.kom

2009/6/30 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>

Andy, LF,

Unable to restart the 503.7kHz grabber at the moment due to usb sound= card
failure.

Will be on as soon as a replacement card is available.

73

Gary - G4WGT.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb= _lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rs= gb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot<= br> Sent: 30 June 2009 10:38
To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org
Subject: LF: 503.7kHz - its back

My beacon on 503.7kHz is back on.  04/19/34/49 minutes past the= hour
~+25dBm EIRP.  Callsign, power steps, full power carrier 25 - 30<= br> seconds then PSK31 from :30s


Andy
www.g4jnt.com<= br>

 

------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C9FA63.7A346450-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (rly-dc07.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.36]) by air-dc09.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC093-b324a53c5a0152; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:01:20 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC076-b324a53c5a0152; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:01:08 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MOIho-0004Ig-K0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:00:04 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MOIhn-0004IX-OP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:00:03 +0100 Received: from imr-m06.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.200]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MOIhk-0007ZA-Rs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:00:03 +0100 Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-m06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a53c53734c; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:59:19 -0400 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.bbe.506b75ae (65097) for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 17:59:39 -0400 (EDT) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 17:59:39 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5047 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: G4WGT Grabber Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1247003979" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 -------------------------------1247003979 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 07/07/2009 20:54:29 GMT Standard Time, g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk writes: Please have a look & I will be interested in your comments. Looks good to me. Thanks for the resource. On the third plot, what are the green black blue and red traces? Thanks David -------------------------------1247003979 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 07/07/2009 20:54:29 GMT Standard Time,=20 g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk writes:

 

Please have a look & I will be interested in= your=20 comments.

 

Looks good to me. Thanks for the resource.
 
On the third plot, what are the green black blue and red traces?
 
Thanks
 
David
 -------------------------------1247003979-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (rly-dd09.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.156]) by air-dd07.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDD074-b9e4a70b3f22ab; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:41:41 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD098-b9e4a70b3f22ab; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:41:24 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MWFwD-000437-Vu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:39:49 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MWFwC-00042y-Ui for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:39:48 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-4-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.55]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MWFw7-0003XX-JT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:39:46 +0100 X-Trace: 234152979/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.72.80/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.72.80 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiAFAIRQcEpYakhQ/2dsb2JhbACCKisiATWHYIU0xBAJhAgFgUk X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,290,1246834800"; d="scan'208,217";a="234152979" Received: from 88-106-72-80.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.72.80]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 29 Jul 2009 21:39:42 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF -RSGB LF Group" Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:39:42 +0100 Message-ID: <004501ca108c$b3890e10$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcoQjLLYGmb8xjiERECq3q9YzNKf4g== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: G4WGT grabber Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01CA1095.154D7610" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01CA1095.154D7610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, In an attempt to improve the performance of Grab1 & Grab2 at http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html I have replaced the RF pre-amp before the Softrock Lite SDR which I use to receive the 500kHz signals. The replacement is a broadband low noise type (M0BMU design) & will hopefully provide a better SNR over the previous tuneable one which required regular tweaking. I have also split the band into two SpecLab displays with Grab1 covering 499 to 504.4kHz & Grab2 covering 504.4 to 510kHz. I think this is a better approach than the original 500 to 510kHz. The 503.7kHz beacon grabber remains the same as before using the JRC NRD-345. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO. I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01CA1095.154D7610 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

In an attempt to im= prove the performance of Grab1 & Grab2 at http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/gra= bber2.html

I have replaced the= RF pre-amp before the Softrock Lite SDR which I use to receive the 500kHz signals.

 

The replacement is= a broadband low noise type (M0BMU design) & will hopefully provide a better SNR over the= previous tuneable one which required regular tweaking.=

 

I have also split= the band into two SpecLab displays with Grab1 covering 499 to 504.4kHz & Grab2 covering 504.= 4 to 510kHz. I think this is a better approach than the original 500 to 510= kHz.

 

The 503.7kHz beacon= grabber remains the same as before using the JRC NRD-345.

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO.

 

 
I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean.
It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter
------=_NextPart_000_0046_01CA1095.154D7610-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (rly-mg10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.116]) by air-mg02.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMG024-a384a64501c230; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:08:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG102-a384a64501c230; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:08:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MSqiD-0004LA-VW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:07:17 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MSqiD-0004L1-Ip for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:07:17 +0100 Received: from smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.24]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MSqhy-00058L-1M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:07:02 +0100 Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl (dovemail11.xs4all.nl [194.109.26.13]) by smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n6KB79EV035192 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:07:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Received: from 82.92.124.189 (SquirrelMail authenticated user pa0rdt) by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:07:14 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <20541.82.92.124.189.1248088034.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:07:14 +0200 (CEST) From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: 504khz harmonic. Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Alan, Gary, The harmonic of RTE 252 on 504 kHz has been reported all over Westen Europe on all kind of antennas as does not seem to be an antenna or receiver anomaly. Best regards, Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg05.mx.aol.com (rly-dg05.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.89]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDG051-5cb4a5ce7536f; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:15:27 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg05.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG058-5cb4a5ce7536f; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:15:17 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MQoOD-0003pY-Qz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:14:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MQoOD-0003pP-40 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:14:13 +0100 Received: from web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.126]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MQoO3-0005Pz-3Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:14:03 +0100 Received: (qmail 60086 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jul 2009 20:14:06 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1247602445; bh=oousNsW4ZlwM1McRNHDnaQmT6LfLpEQgjZ7nzb2zu58=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=uyhAy1Q2e0bqgsgu7xKY9EyFbqubvKXQCeJV2x3kO1m4BMK1hxhY9YMlXMyLQB3ur2BUIw72bOSDn2NrGFqAF5eTF9JvWuUcTG7eZSa2gwvXE3iWV9XUtPAZHqfkRDCsTMQC6DpGIHB/ai8/6ACVh1L7aTylfbK1TT9BpswTt60= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BDbSjDehBrZjMSBX/BB1w300Z/5dgS9oDA8Ktgc9xLz9c5iqV9XtlwbncPWjc6saTTINMg6msiHBCDFGivlVddiUGix6OaOWnJenk2e5BOGMk8NY7gmkVQep15+VWac+VQ/SXF+nI0aQDSoB/xB9A1n7RTuJovF5fa/1wlpe6VI=; Message-ID: <942004.58848.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: OBhvKcEVM1mwlnzWva8HWvTVtdC05kfW_7nHHim4BLeahambvLuVETFUtUPw3YzGhhh_W.nHcq7pwaFwkFdCSIsqAfELLyiBYTkmGiy5v1m1alxFmeuDVZp8MYvrx4LKZ_tIXnq4jGXfd51baRIymW.hT_aM3OpFPW_lNSITl53.r_qjLsSj3iEWgGnVkIjkXQM8bPjH6bAfUVci.HelTwmMZ2SjNUHkU.RoJXYuWIzv_CjAvGJkStVUUFHOG9L51rxVoXrxFuNpLZR55ZbN.8IXLroiso9mA2WohXguQvLLqXVP1CHYNZVj4k05KLioiAbCCF2DG1l_vkGbzXS9QfXcvJRIjkJFtOEj9k7GtlczQQ-- Received: from [81.152.20.6] by web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:14:05 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.0.18 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:14:05 +0000 (GMT) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <59B43DAF72704927B6E58971E3B9D56A@lindavideo> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: Re: (QSX)....... RE: Microwave oven transformers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2091529577-1247602445=:58848" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=EXCUSE_16,HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d280.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-2091529577-1247602445=:58848 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ken =C2=A0 Off your topic but had to relate that while on holiday last week on the cl= iff tops at Corton nr Lowestoft (abt 95miles) I copied you working Chris= G3XIZ. I was using a 80m dipole up 6m and an unmodified Kenwood TS50s you= were a very readable signal a couple of S points down on Chris but Solid= copy!! FB signal there Ken. Prior to your QSO I worked Chris QSX (sort of= ) me on 3.566. I called a few times but I guess you were not set up for QS= X? =C2=A0 Anyway nice copy there on 500 Ken. =C2=A0 73 petefmt --- On Tue, 14/7/09, Ken wrote: From: Ken Subject: LF: Re: RE: Microwave oven transformers To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tuesday, 14 July, 2009, 8:33 PM Jim. There will probably be a fair bit of technical smoke comimg out of Luton,= but that is what our hobby is all about, any other usefull sugestions? =C2=A0 Krgards. Ken 73deM0KHW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: James Cowburn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 8:28 PM Subject: LF: RE: Microwave oven transformers Tesla Roulette!! =C2=A0 With best regards =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jim =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Dr. James Cowburn 26 Birch Close Broom Biggleswade Beds SG18 9NR =C2=A0 T=20 =20 --0-2091529577-1247602445=:58848 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ken
 
Off your topic but had to relate that while on holiday last week on= the cliff tops at Corton nr Lowestoft (abt 95miles) I copied you working= Chris G3XIZ. I was using a 80m dipole up 6m and an unmodified Kenwood TS5= 0s you were a very readable signal a couple of S points down on Chris but= Solid copy!! FB signal there Ken. Prior to your QSO I worked Chris QSX (s= ort of) me on 3.566. I called a few times but I guess you were not set up= for QSX?
 
Anyway nice copy there on 500 Ken.
 
73 petefmt

--- On Tue, 14/7/09, Ken <ken.h.wright@bti= nternet.com> wrote:

From: Ken <ken.h.wright@btinternet.com><= BR>Subject: LF: Re: RE: Microwave oven transformers
To: rsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org
Date: Tuesday, 14 July, 2009, 8:33 PM

Jim.
There will probably be a fair bit of tech= nical smoke comimg out of Luton, but that is what our hobby is all about,= any other usefull sugestions?
 
Krgards.
Ken
73deM0KHW
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 8:28= PM
Subject: LF: RE: Microwave oven tra= nsformers

Tesla Roulette!!

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With best regards

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Jim

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Dr. James Cowburn

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Biggleswade

Beds

SG18 9NR

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Hello everyone.

Does any one have experience in using microwave= oven transformers in high voltage power units, I acquired two of these at= the weekend. I was informed that as they stand the voltage regulation is= poor, to improve this the 'Core Shunts' should be removed, (these are lam= inations between the two stacks), removal of these 'shunts' also has the= effect of considerably increasing the magnetisation current. The solution= to this seems to be to use two transformers, connecting the both primarie= s and secondary's in series to restore the 2KV output voltage.

 

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Note for Mal, this is serious stuff not for app= liance operators.

 

Regards

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E=Sophos;i="4.43,240,1246834800"; d="scan'208";a="229616790" Received: from 88-106-72-80.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.72.80]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 21 Jul 2009 14:47:31 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <000001ca0922$9cf3c580$6401a8c0@asus> <006501ca0926$8f4743e0$0900a8c0@AM> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:47:29 +0100 Message-ID: <002101ca0a09$ca6f84d0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <006501ca0926$8f4743e0$0900a8c0@AM> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcoJJvNfBIwjCI4ZToW3+9YnpnWIYAA4R8sA X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: Re: 504khz harmonic. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Alan, LF, >You wrote :- >Do you get the same effect on a wire, or passive antenna? The pattern has come on again today at 1312utc & I have received it on my resonant 500 kHz vertical Tx antenna using my 500kHz transverter with a TS-440 & the pattern is present as described previously. I think this concludes that it is not the Mini-Whip antenna or receiver. So what can it be caused by? Is it a product of something they are carrying out at the transmitter? At the widest point (ie. the fan shape) the bandwidth is about 2kHz. Food for thought!!!! Cheers, Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Alan Melia Sent: 20 July 2009 11:41 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: 504khz harmonic. Hi Gary, the mini-whip is not bad but where you are located it could be the size of the 252 signal is producing some intermod/harmonics. Do you get the same effect on a wire, or passive antenna? I havent tried this but it may be possible to inprove the IMD performance by paralleling a pair of J310s in the miniwhip, at the expense of increased current drain. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF -RSGB LF Group" Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 11:12 AM Subject: LF: 504khz harmonic. > Hi All, > > > > Occasionally recently I have been seeing strange patterns around the > harmonic line received on my SpecLab grabbers on 504kHz from the broadcast > station at 252kHz. > > > > The patterns are not just seen using the Softrock SDR Rx but also with my > JRC NRD-345, the only common device is the Mini-Whip active antenna. > > > > I seem to remember some while ago comments on this LF Forum regarding that > station carrying out some experiments or tests involving digital data or > something similar. > > > > I wonder if this is an effect of those tests as there were concerns that it > may cause interference on the 500kHz amateur band. > > > > Capture attached. > > > > 73, > > > > Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO. > > > > > I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. > It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter > p&url=freespamfilter> > I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (rly-dd04.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.151]) by air-dd02.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDD023-b714a4f24aef; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 05:45:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD043-b714a4f24aef; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 05:45:20 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MN1mT-0000lI-Tf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:43:37 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MN1mT-0000l9-6E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:43:37 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MN1mR-0007HX-5t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:43:37 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F9F4C80DC for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 11:43:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 337D74C816C for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 11:43:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A4F2440.5070009@online.fr> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 11:43:28 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <908B19DF06BE4ECEB3A61470A89BEFA8@Black> In-Reply-To: <908B19DF06BE4ECEB3A61470A89BEFA8@Black> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Last night , U4WPF beacon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello LF , My grabber will be QRV in qtf 065 for this test ! 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj > Subject: DW: beacon UA4WPF > beacon (W _--)DFCW240 137.7795 17:00 to 01:00 UTC 04/07/2009 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da10.mx.aol.com (rly-da10.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.84]) by air-da07.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDA071-a944a510c94ee; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:27:38 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da10.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA104-a944a510c94ee; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:27:04 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MNYHx-00077t-OD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:26:17 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MNYHx-00077k-2C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:26:17 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MNYHv-0001cR-5y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:26:16 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0D3D51C005 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:26:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id B92AC31E702 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:26:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 48DEF18056; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:26:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 61.161-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (61.161-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.240.161.61]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:26:04 +0200 Message-ID: <20090705222604.dts0y3wg5cwo0c0w@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:26:04 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <908B19DF06BE4ECEB3A61470A89BEFA8@Black> <20090703100648.865C531E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <20090703113546.640D731E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be>,<09DF43BF4A974C1D80DF9BC90E77B1E3@AGB> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.240.161.61 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Graham, I called you once. As it was already rather late (we're one hour ahead of UK), QRN level =20 was high and we already worked before I didn't insist. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Graham : > Thanks Rik > > Did you call us ? > > 73 Graham > > From: Rik Strobbe > Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:50 PM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: RE: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS > > Good 559 copy at 21:40 UTC > EI0CF also 559 beaconing at the bottom end > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > ________________________________ > Van: =20 > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Graham =20 > [g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk] > Verzonden: zaterdag 4 juli 2009 20:34 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: LF: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS > > GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT 4 july ROUND 1930 ONWARDS > > Operating on 502.00 khz cw , > > RX 502 kx +/- also rx on 3533 / 7033 cw - cross band > > Possibly operating till round 2400 hrs > > qsl GB4FPR@HOTMAIL.CO.UK > > Reports welcome > > Tnx- Graham > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.3/2216 - Release Date: =20 > 07/03/09 05:53:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de02.mx.aol.com (rly-de02.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.138]) by air-de07.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDE071-4b84a574666365; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:47:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE023-4b84a574666365; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:47:20 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MPGQW-0004rh-5a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:46:12 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MPGQT-0004rY-2B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:46:09 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.244] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPGQQ-0006AM-Ql for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:46:08 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEAH/iVkpZ8Rn//2dsb2JhbACEa8tChAgFgTo Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.241.25.255]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 14:46:01 +0100 Message-ID: <004e01ca0164$c2eba160$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <001401ca0147$dc500d20$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:46:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 We all know the reasons and under some circumstances justified, but so many now rely on and depend on its existance that perhaps we have gone down the wrong road. Just imagine if a major incident was about to take place and it was jammed for prolonged peroids. So many agencies now depend on it and consider it an essential navigation facility. Of course it could also be jammed deliberately by hostile organisations which is even worse than a controlled exercise. Communications satellites are also vunerable to jamming and abuse and the whole world communications network is virtually dependent on them with only limited cable alternatives. I think we are in a right mess and more vunerable than before the advent of such systems not to mention computer viruses and hackers etc. All these gadgets and contraptions are very useful but the mistake is totally DEPENDING on them which is the situation we are in. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" To: Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 1:51 PM Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Ask yourself why it may be advantageous to jam GPS is a war scenario, and just how GPS is likely to be used by both sides. Then consider how it may be done in a sensible manner, how to avoid excessive fratricide and why excercises such as these may have to be performed. Ask yourself why Selective Availability was removed some years ago. May like to also wonder if the substation located at exactly that specified location could have anything to do with the exercise. Andy G4JNT www.g4jnt.com 2009/7/10 Michael Probert GW4HXO : > Hello Finbar, > > Maybe Mal has a point? Seems a bit odd that the MOD are going to jam an > important service for a couple of hours. Can you imagine it they jammed TV > for a day or two, would be nice! > > Best regards > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton > Sent: 10 July 2009 11:19 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises > > Like I said when the big BANG comes the Appliance operator and his data > gadgets will be rendered useless, whereas a Radio Amateur with his 2 > valved > RX/TX, a morse key, a piece of wire for antenna and a pedal powered power > source will communicate on. > We all managed to commumicate and navigate this past 100 years without > these > > gadgets, unfortunately today the majority seem to be totally dependant on > computers and associated data devices. These gadgets are handy but make a > person LAZY and forgetful about how to write and operate CW as a tool to > communicate. > G3KEV > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Pick" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 8:11 AM > Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises > > > Perhaps we should encourage a Loran jamming excercise to prove that it > isn't the un-jammable marvel that its cracked up to be? > > ;-) > > Dave G3YXM > > 2009/7/9 Dave G3WCB : >> Hmmm... I can only see an electricity substation at that exact >> location...the source will probably on Henley's Down or somewhere >> similar. >> >> It'll mess-up any GPS-disciplined beacons (LF or Microwave)for a few >> hours! >> >> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Andy Talbot >> Sent: 08 July 2009 22:36 >> To: ukmicrowaves@yahoogroups.com; uk_beacons@yahoogroups.com; >> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: LF: Fwd: Fw: Ofcom Update: Date Correction - Forthcoming GPS >> jamming exercises >> >> >> The Lat/Long converts to: >> Loc. JO00FV41 >> NGR TQ723122 >> >> Andy >> www.g4jnt.com >> >> --- On Wed, 8/7/09, Updates wrote: >> >> From: Updates >> Subject: Ofcom Update: Date Correction - Forthcoming GPS jamming >> exercises >> To: >> Date: Wednesday, 8 July, 2009, 11:14 AM >> >> The MoD has informed Ofcom of the following GPS jamming exercise: >> >> Dates: 14th and 15th October 2009. >> >> Times: Maximum of two hours between the times of 08:00-12:00 and >> 13:30–15:30 each day. >> >> Location: Within 1km of N50° 53.0’ and E000° 27.0’ (Bexhill, East >> Sussex). >> >> Contact: Trial Manager (during the trial) on 07776 484226. >> >> > ........................................................................... >> >> >> > > > > -- > G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.9/2228 - Release Date: 07/09/09 > 18:07:00 > > > > __________ NOD32 4231 (20090710) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.9/2228 - Release Date: 07/09/09 18:07:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df08.mx.aol.com (rly-df08.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.21]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDF082-56a4a5e1f382b4; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:26:06 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF081-56a4a5e1f382b4; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:26:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MR9AB-0008D5-5P for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:25:07 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MR9AA-0008Cw-Fj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:25:06 +0100 Received: from smtp815.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MR9A6-00022L-T2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:25:05 +0100 Received: (qmail 30550 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2009 18:24:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=ytsutR+Y0rjCzYc/5WNeHPpHks5G2Cxnx8PVUcqhdL92JcCD+NIxIZEv9JdLAj52z/rdHAN3qZHS46myk1VCTR7tHagqyoq/8Fgt1cU0vOyKZmrTpa5uE8PAtj1hmiQrPjD9vqgJxQctzZoWUuGeJh8ND/W+qryQ5pvCIrvml0Q= ; Received: from unknown (HELO 64683d74b6134b3) (robertgjbennett@81.152.187.67 with login) by smtp815.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 18:24:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: HIUmOcOswBAvOQZN2jw8orW2ROj0fucSnrvscbxmgHHJ64hWaCyqKypD6g-- X-YMail-OSG: Ru0eYoAVM1lCsL426alVHHQL6_kmbbK7nb.cH4fUmhGKPwsRT1BAZQEwVlY75NfU_VckYnBo4s2FO4ChpixlLXTrlwz1KN0ElYMT7t70fDAosOaKFZsxsHrje_zZhFcxdK_A29w_eRPnPAqiUHCmf820acitHop6Qs9LPwP0VdGBEbDTARdyQ.Z2c2v9sguVV.X5Svh8ir3E8dcIW.U.PyimLBRzz5WvqehkAFM2XvgB_4OF6kEe.FyAsuHRq922c4C5IvR8JiDaAK.Dfi37O0xp5olDwY5ERDzTjP9TEZz5Y1oPTQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <32EE208E935345B69529F2405583A93A@64683d74b6134b3> From: "Robert Bennett" To: References: <1EDB89E6D3E24E008B4897CFE896A09F@lindavideo> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:24:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Microwave oven transformers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA0581.ED9ADDB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_60_70, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA0581.ED9ADDB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ken Look here: http://web.archive.org/web/20030627162157/http://www.vaxxin= e.com/phil/QEX_HV_Power_Supply.pdf =20 Robert ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA0581.ED9ADDB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_000A_01CA0581.ED9ADDB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma05.mx.aol.com (rly-ma05.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.49]) by air-ma03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMA031-8aa4a5482d6266; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 07:28:39 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma05.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA054-8aa4a5482d6266; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 07:28:24 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MOVIU-0005Pc-SI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:26:46 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MOVIU-0005PT-Gd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:26:46 +0100 Received: from mail-fx0-f222.google.com ([209.85.220.222]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MOVIP-00037V-PH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:26:42 +0100 Received: by fxm22 with SMTP id 22so6361057fxm.4 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 04:26:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=W8lPMdXZJXX3RnG9Tj/WHG1ZILDyc+2M0OCM5NHn6ZU=; b=Ag949nYYTVhhvIgDh8dMAzLKNU5BSr5cwjoM+Okp5ayV8qZRCzYG9TCPZ0kQ/KAU8M y8ggMLh3kFihPj7SnaU0CxI4e6dl+rqBzCEDEU6dtZ8SQWd06+yHqbITA14MDISdrnWg tw3pLLDJX+AzYmwLxsTzwLKar9jNZufwMH/DY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=R9a2n9HiLYyj++5rc7LBBrX82TO5PZ3HJNTMQZPHSp+j7jTplLFQUMLtnUK8TnCEuO 0xxycvWniXXDzBs876Rv0kIWL6+sRmRzDsSSqXyTbzkDGmoHZ56905YOHTVwP1+iBJRg 2pkgDzx7EKkxZwjkScs/yEubBAJ6N5wB+oEZY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.146.212 with SMTP id x20mr579154hba.97.1247052394298; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 04:26:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:26:34 +0100 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G4WGT Grabber Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m262.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) The red one is my 503.7kHz beacon at the quarter hour + 4 minute intervals, using teh same Tx format as teh GB3RAL/WES/ORK beacons. Green abd blue slots are availalble for other beacons, black is teh background noise. Andy www.g4jnt.com 2009/7/7 : > In a message dated 07/07/2009 20:54:29 GMT Standard Time, > g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk writes: > > > > Please have a look & I will be interested in your comments. > > > > Looks good to me. Thanks for the resource. > > On the third plot, what are the green black blue and red traces? > > Thanks > > David From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (rly-mg10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.116]) by air-mg07.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMG073-a3b4a71e99966; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:42:44 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG105-a3b4a71e99966; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:42:35 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MWaYs-0006Xl-4F for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 19:41:06 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MWaYr-0006Xc-P5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 19:41:05 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MWaYS-0005ze-VR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 19:40:41 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhcFABuGcUpOlp1I/2dsb2JhbACCKiuCG4UGgywGxzCEFwU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.157.72]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2009 19:40:34 +0100 Message-ID: <001c01ca1145$390b2dd0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 19:40:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500 UK Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01CA114D.9A36FF50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CA114D.9A36FF50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Regular acty fm UK on 500 khz. 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------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CA114D.9A36FF50-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINME012-9c94a506f8649; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 05:17:08 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME075-9c94a506f8649; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 05:16:57 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MNNpc-0005Ir-5n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:16:20 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MNNpb-0005Ii-RF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:16:19 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MNNpZ-00025d-MW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:16:18 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E30C4C80F3 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:16:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4F4F4C8160 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:16:12 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A506F5C.9090107@online.fr> Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 11:16:12 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <37F97C9360DA42E3AB044005A96EBE0F@ns94d01ae4d850> In-Reply-To: <37F97C9360DA42E3AB044005A96EBE0F@ns94d01ae4d850> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: WPF 05-07.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Henny , Very good capture ! FB here many many qrn last night 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj henny van elst a =E9crit : > Hi,LF, > capture WPF > Henny pa3cpm > 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzo= nden: > WPF 05-07.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virusse= n het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Contr= oleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijl= agen worden afgehandeld. > > =20 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd07.mx.aol.com (rly-dd07.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.154]) by air-dd10.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDD104-b8e4a548d9c163; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 08:14:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD078-b8e4a548d9c163; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 08:14:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MOW1v-0005fq-PD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:13:43 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MOW1v-0005fh-Ci for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:13:43 +0100 Received: from c2bthomr09.btconnect.com ([213.123.20.127]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MOW1q-0003SD-MV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:13:39 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host81-153-233-40.range81-153.btcentralplus.com [81.153.233.40]) by c2bthomr09.btconnect.com with ESMTP id DSL94630; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 13:13:31 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A548D6B.3070504@btconnect.com> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:13:31 +0100 From: Richard Newstead User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001001c9ffc1$9cb7ec00$6401a8c0@asus> In-Reply-To: <001001c9ffc1$9cb7ec00$6401a8c0@asus> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr09.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0203.4A548D6C.0257,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=192.168.1.64, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2009-06-05 X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G4WGT Grabber Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Gary - G4WGT wrote: > Andy, LF, > > Thank you Andy, I was about to place an answer to David's query, his > question has prompted me to add a little more info on the grabber page. > > Thanks to you both. > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > Gary Why don't the blue and green traces follow the noise? 73 Richard G3CWI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df08.mx.aol.com (rly-df08.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.21]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDF063-56e4a6873ff14f; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:30:40 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF085-56e4a6873ff14f; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:30:24 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTzHm-0004gy-Rr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:28:42 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTzHm-0004gp-7E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:28:42 +0100 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTzHR-0001qQ-EY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:28:24 +0100 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4E852ACD18 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:28:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps04.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.133] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.53L) with ESMTP id XID470NgwoCE9709X01; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:28:30 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.133 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps04.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID470NgwoCE9709X01 Received: from [127.0.0.1] [151.47.218.242] by cmsapps04.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 905NgwoCb2064M40; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:28:27 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.218.242 AUTH dibene@usa.net [127.0.0.1] Message-ID: <4A687388.4050801@usa.net> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:28:24 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1MTixd-0cGXyK0@fwd00.t-online.de> In-Reply-To: <1MTixd-0cGXyK0@fwd00.t-online.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090722-0, 07/22/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Z-USANET-MsgId: XID905NgwoCC2064X40 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Loop discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) James and Ha-Jo, thanks for your answers and considerations about using the loop itself as the primary of the transformer. I thought that it could be a good idea, based on this consideration : If I make a single turn loop using copper tubing, it will have a very low resistance, guesstimated between one thousandth and one hundredth of a ohm. A regular primary winding on a transformer will have a resistance at least an order of magnitude greater. IMHO, this affect negatively the Q of the loop... if I use the loop as primary, closing the single turn on itself with a good soldering, the Q would be unaffected, also because the secondary is not loaded... In fact, my intention was to have a high number of turns on the secondary, let's say at least 20, directly connected to the gate of a FET used as a source follower. This, again IMHO, would have the benefit to leave the Q of the loop at its unloaded value, and to have a great voltage gain, given by the high turn ratio of the transformer... Naturally, this will imply that the loop cannot be tuned, but there are applications for untuned loops. Is this line of thinking completely wrong ? Thanks for any considerations. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (rly-ma07.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.51]) by air-ma05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMA052-8b84a53b5f0252; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:54:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA072-8b84a53b5f0252; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:54:11 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MOHec-00048D-2a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:52:42 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MOHeb-000484-Il for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:52:41 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.53]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MOHeY-00079K-6k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:52:41 +0100 X-Trace: 226120528/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.66.227/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.66.227 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsYEAFBSU0pYakLj/2dsb2JhbACCVFeHTIR+wSIJg34F X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,364,1243810800"; d="scan'208,217";a="226120528" Received: from 88-106-66-227.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.66.227]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 07 Jul 2009 21:52:30 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF -RSGB LF Group" Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 21:52:31 +0100 Message-ID: <004d01c9ff44$d91375c0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: Acn/RNhNcHxEIK0OSjKqmzVJehJK0A== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: G4WGT Grabber Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004E_01C9FF4D.3AD7DDC0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C9FF4D.3AD7DDC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi LF, As an experiment I have introduced a new grabber page. Please have a look & I will be interested in your comments. http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C9FF4D.3AD7DDC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi LF,

 

As an experiment I have introduced a new grab= ber page.

 

Please have a look & I will be interested= in your comments.

 

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber2.html=

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO.

 

------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C9FF4D.3AD7DDC0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db07.mx.aol.com (rly-db07.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.82]) by air-db10.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDB102-ad64a5841e5219; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:40:45 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB074-ad64a5841e5219; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:40:23 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MPXAb-0007Y7-Gp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 08:38:53 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MPXAb-0007Xy-1X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 08:38:53 +0100 Received: from mail-fx0-f222.google.com ([209.85.220.222]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPXAT-0003nH-KD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 08:38:46 +0100 Received: by fxm22 with SMTP id 22so1362876fxm.4 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 00:38:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ozLHIogbaF9qPxfR3BM5MIDmRsUJe2/ve5oLVL2bp6Y=; b=hj64PxcAHrjzuHfpI+5GwE6ZBBTEjhaFIYzfnhWe9jiHmczkM/Mlp2yrIT2En54b+L mM4WHNI4OEq2a0tXhrNVFrrjG3623g9rQq1M7Oo+Piiq4Nmlj7qGFgC9eaZkLXjTYfNE Za1SMu2ym4qz8j0MSgUcTNAvCuvX1b63D20nk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=IwLL7Ew+xGT+mBXfrxre/f1Yho0MHVS7MAMeUX+WHaIvCrjEf4EF9NqYj4uLA44T0s fDzjs9NAPW/q6ldToTKMBf6QRhQu2PCKj0MZt109809JzFbOV1Z8HdpMgHWUmtuyOYRk LV5VOseq45c7kkZQ1mhQg++lRqy/ytze8kmoM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.156.144 with SMTP id m16mr244382hbc.133.1247297924804; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 00:38:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8bf118410907100011s696aa712sbd88bd3a023e1c39@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 08:38:44 +0100 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises/Loran Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d288.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Yes, and its a lot more difficult to knock out GPS this way. A cruise missile carrying a small nuclear warhead on each of the two (or more ?) ground control stations perhaps :-) Andy G4JNT wobbleU cubed .g4jnt.kom 2009/7/11 Laurence BY3A-KL1X China : > Talking of jamming Loran brings back memories in the 70's of "attacking"= a > Decca site in the Eastern counties defended by Gurkhas' as a night exerc= ise. > I came across some photos the other day of said installation I must have > taken around that time - and for what I can remember the idea was to pla= ce a > small amount of C4 or shaped charge on one or two items and definately= not > get captured in the process. > > Given the lack of security of some of the Loran sites Im guessing the be= st > denial of Service would be a lump of plastic or very large bolt cutters= on a > couple of guys..or perhaps knocking out the=A0 remote mon receiver or sp= oofing > a small signal..must be easier than raising a 400m mast. > > LF and MF very noisy here due to Moonsoons at the moment. > > Laurence 9V1 LF > Rainy Singpore > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df03.mx.aol.com (rly-df03.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.16]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDF083-53e4a57dba6261; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:24:28 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF037-53e4a57dba6261; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:24:09 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MPQMw-0006gS-9a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:23:10 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MPQMv-0006gJ-Mx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:23:09 +0100 Received: from smtp816.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.16]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPQMp-0002bM-Fs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:23:08 +0100 Received: (qmail 98249 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2009 00:22:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=jq2z0UNudprLuLtWn+M+tKpMo1ONw27ZmKWEwWUmb4sAxt/PgvFqZLDP1UV13Tq7LE+eefBOOctA0TBtoKTaS1EtRs57rq8TVrE9QGuoinHg0FCtiR50yMXIVWqEqJnTZnJJrNkPGMm067i3j46QlP7WVZgHWS6PxoGyfunsuYQ= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.107.213 with login) by smtp816.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 00:22:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: IARaZe4VM1l231Lpo40rNyntyFOj_JA.oD.evjFma9tUGSwHOWPttaxYscBiKMwyH5p4ToNWd1CJjUH0MI98vyF6ho8iobOz2YTCH4uTyz80oO5MdAK7gdVv1iLVfMhNigRMG8vTbnP7zWH7A6sVgyBFxXJYXuqK6ZzHstnMXfhWnCbv_3PdtvgWBtDY_VGf5MvNGi37Nkx5YNZXQwUx2EPtsTaZsfZn1GTBU459.QJfqrK7jGqFLwb.zXrbLUi9IEfmcOexiy4Q1UVkCpmCXSfHXXALDaJzYmnrHmzXT9Rvjjf7qT8H X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <8bf118410907100011s696aa712sbd88bd3a023e1c39@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8bf118410907100011s696aa712sbd88bd3a023e1c39@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:22:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Dave, LF Group, G3YXM wrote: >Perhaps we should encourage a Loran jamming excercise to prove that it isn't the un-jammable marvel that its cracked up to be? ;-) It's interesting to speculate about possible GPS and Loran jamming devices. One sees "hand-held GPS jammers" mentioned on the internet - the GPS signal strength is perhaps a few uV/m at ground level, and the signal is a noise-like pseudo-random sequence, so a low power, noise generating "barrage" jamming device that swamped the GPS signal would probably be feasible over a line-of-sight area. On the other hand, Loran produces signal strengths of millivolts/m, so something like a million times as much jamming ERP would be needed, compounded by the low efficiency of feasible clandestine 100kHz jammer antennas. Another antenna-related problem would be the 10kHz or so bandwidth of the Loran signal, which presents a problem even with full-sized Loran antennas. In current Loran transmitters, the antenna itself forms part of the 100kHz pulse generator, which uses thyristors to discharge capacitors into a pulse-forming network incorporating the antenna - I guess some similar technique would be needed for the jammer so that power consumption did not become too enormous. Then there are "counter-countermeasures". It seems that anti-jamming GPS receivers for the military etc rely mostly on multiple RX antennas and front ends, and DSP-based beam-forming to reject signals that are not coming from the expected direction of a satellite. This probably isn't workable for Loran, due to the large spacing that would be needed between antennas at LF. But Loran has a precise time and phase relationship betweeen the pulse patterns making up the signal, and is designed to work with signals from multiple sources in the same channel, along with CW interference, so attempting to "spoof" a reasonably sophisticated Loran receiver would also need a sophisticated jammer. I don't doubt it would be possible to construct an effective Loran jammer, but it would probably not be hand-held! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (rly-dd01.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.148]) by air-dd05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDD054-b5b4a707957343; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:31:40 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD015-b5b4a707957343; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:31:21 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MWC2R-0003dk-5j for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:29:59 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MWC2Q-0003db-OV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:29:58 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc3-s29.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.229]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MWC22-0001x8-Eo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:29:35 +0100 Received: from BAY101-W32 ([64.4.56.132]) by bay0-omc3-s29.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 29 Jul 2009 09:29:42 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:29:42 +0200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1248861552.4a701d70a1dda@imp.netikka.net> References: <001001ca102b$1b87c040$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> <1248861552.4a701d70a1dda@imp.netikka.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2009 16:29:42.0885 (UTC) FILETIME=[C6F22950:01CA1069] X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_cb235493-966b-4786-8029-4254d39e04a3_" Subject: LF: OK0EMW_report X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_cb235493-966b-4786-8029-4254d39e04a3_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Andrey, Paul-Henrik and LF! Thanks for reports and mp3 file! My beacon transmit all evenings normaly, but there were lots of storms last weeks. I had to switch this one sometimes off. 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS ******************************** > Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:59:12 +0300 > From: phl@netikka.fi > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: Re: Licence of OK0EMW > > Hi Lubos, Andrey, LF > > OK0EMW was also audible in OH last night with a good signal for this time of the > year. I was surprised and delighted to hear two tones when tuning past > 505.1-505.2kHz to check band conditions. > > 73 > > Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ > > Quoting Andrey rn3agc : > > > Hi Lubos, LF! > > OK0EMW audible last night, ~21.20z! > > mp3-file: http://rn3agc.msk.ru/sound/090728-ok0emw-cw.mp3 > > > > 73 > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ What's New vám to øekne hned, jak se to stane. Uka¾ mi jak. http://home.live.com/ --_cb235493-966b-4786-8029-4254d39e04a3_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hello Andrey, Paul-Henrik and LF!
Thanks for reports and mp3 file!
My beacon transmit all evenings normaly, but there were lots of storms last weeks. I had to switch this one sometimes off.

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

********************************
> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:59:12 +0300
> From: phl@netikka.fi
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: Licence of OK0EMW
>
> Hi Lubos, Andrey, LF
>
> OK0EMW was also audible in OH last night with a good signal for this time of the
> year. I was surprised and delighted to hear two tones when tuning past
> 505.1-505.2kHz to check band conditions.
>
> 73
>
> Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
>
> Quoting Andrey rn3agc <rn3agc@mail.ru>:
>
> > Hi Lubos, LF!
> > OK0EMW audible last night, ~21.20z!
> > mp3-file: http://rn3agc.msk.ru/sound/090728-ok0emw-cw.mp3
> >
> > 73
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

Sdílejte své zá¾itky s kýmkoli chcete s kýmkoli chcete. --_cb235493-966b-4786-8029-4254d39e04a3_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc12.mx.aol.com (rly-mc12.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.96]) by air-mc03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMC031-dad4a5cddeb3b8; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:35:40 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc12.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC125-dad4a5cddeb3b8; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:35:10 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MQnlW-0003WF-RC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:34:14 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MQnlW-0003W4-97 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:34:14 +0100 Received: from smtp148.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.106.59]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MQnlL-00059a-Ux for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:34:04 +0100 Received: (qmail 82372 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2009 19:34:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=OJlQpYSDZBFpm/S2s00vpMvMy5jFQ3IiqFBNrHaYn/AzzZtXQIu9ile5hDz37MO7mvxYogl7g3XZmBZsLIEtGWFWEQu9eh8bCve+dc6NXffFR9CKeld+MVEK3/MBUihi0LbMGEOLx6l36okcWoLn4Au4BNFF04oOVixgnR92iqo= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lindavideo) (ken.h.wright@86.140.224.132 with login) by smtp148.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 19:34:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: APVNTmmswBB1ajQe0.MR1eIpHqOdoGKpEnK7HtPhl2t5AIcci3nTdw-- X-YMail-OSG: w9oh12oVM1n0W1Hp1rqG7Gb1aQxmZekLz5QKi0o8l8xblEnaRAxNvYbl.dsCJ7vfbExO3nP8MNfFX0Gi6EJC8wvqc3L_8W3DlM1s1Wr50ze1P8D2wwIGHoCeBc.fDGjAs256mddBr2SO5Tf1r9oSZTkK8T8AA7XEtcFAmLlvmg3FC9dOZMfiSVMKFEJpBq9wM_lewn80cLcl3KCW9k9Mpem56ClvEFj_boDUne4nEqjKnpnE8Fnkf90rciXbHLd_hQf9wgob3FeaoVAP0_yDKg6PoKGnS801lhgbeLRsezp9_IUlHXq_cfFVU9r6CXmS823172DGN1drBosLsK44Wlbsq7SYawsvsAmNu8MQ X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <59B43DAF72704927B6E58971E3B9D56A@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <1EDB89E6D3E24E008B4897CFE896A09F@lindavideo> <000301ca04b9$3fdbc9f0$0217aac0@jimdesk> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:33:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: Re: RE: Microwave oven transformers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA04C2.6AE72460" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.3 required=5.0 tests=EXCUSE_16,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, HTML_60_70,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA04C2.6AE72460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim. There will probably be a fair bit of technical smoke comimg out of Lut= on, but that is what our hobby is all about, any other usefull sugesti= ons? Krgards. Ken 73deM0KHW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: James Cowburn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 8:28 PM Subject: LF: RE: Microwave oven transformers Tesla Roulette!! =20 With best regards =20 =20 Jim =20 =20 Dr. James Cowburn 26 Birch Close Broom Biggleswade Beds SG18 9NR =20 T +44 (0) 1767 600522 M+44 (0) 7967 300152 E james.cowburn@virgin.net =20 "The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom= it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged materi= al. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified tha= t you must not read this message. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking= of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entiti= es other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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The solution= to this seems to be to use two transformers, connecting the both prim= aries and secondary's in series to restore the 2KV output voltage. =20 Any comments on this most welcome =20 Note for Mal, this is serious stuff not for appliance operators. =20 Regards Ken Wright =20 73 de M0KHW ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA04C2.6AE72460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jim.
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Krgards.
Ken
73deM0KHW
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From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org] On= Behalf Of Ken
= Sent: 14 July 2009 20:22
To: rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Microwave oven=20 transformers

 

Hello=20 everyone.

Does any one have experience in= =20 using microwave oven transformers in high voltage power units, I acq= uired two=20 of these at the weekend. I was informed that as they stand the volta= ge=20 regulation is poor, to improve this the 'Core Shunts' should be remo= ved,=20 (these are laminations between the two stacks), removal of these 'sh= unts' also=20 has the effect of considerably increasing the magnetisation current.= The=20 solution to this seems to be to use two transformers, connecting the= both=20 primaries and secondary's in series to restore the 2KV output=20 voltage.

 

Any comments on this most=20 welcome

 

Note for Mal, this is serious=20 stuff not for appliance operators.

 

Regards<= /P>

Ken=20 Wright

 

73 de=20 M0KHW

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Hi,=20 Gary.
 
It's=20 not your Mini-Whip. I get the same effect on my "Tee" transmitting ant= enna. Argo=20 screenshot attached.
 
73m=20 Dave G3WCB IO91rM nr Windsor, S.E. England.
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From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gary= -=20 G4WGT
Sent: 20 July 2009 11:13
To: LF -RSGB LF= =20 Group
Subject: LF: 504khz harmonic.

Hi=20 All,

 = ;

Occasional= ly=20 recently I have been seeing strange patterns around the harmonic lin= e received=20 on my SpecLab grabbers on 504kHz from the broadcast station at=20 252kHz.

 = ;

The patter= ns=20 are not just seen using the Softrock SDR Rx but also with my JRC NRD= -345, the=20 only common device is the Mini-Whip active=20 antenna.

 = ;

I seem to= =20 remember some while ago comments on this LF Forum regarding that sta= tion=20 carrying out some experiments or tests involving digital data or som= ething=20 similar.

 = ;

I wonder= if=20 this is an effect of those tests as there were concerns that it may= cause=20 interference on the 500kHz amateur band.

 = ;

Capture=20 attached.

 = ;

73,=

 

Gary - G4WGT -=20 IO83QO.

 

 
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(helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MR6Qa-0007AL-IP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:29:52 +0100 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MR6QP-0005qW-EN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:29:41 +0100 Received: (qmail 10845 invoked by uid 507); 15 Jul 2009 17:29:33 +0200 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 17:29:33 +0200 Message-ID: <200907151729430361.091BDC4C@smtp2.numeo.fr> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:29:43 +0200 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Strong signal on 137775 ish Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Long dashes 40dB over QRN at 1525z. There was something similar on about this frequency at 0155z. It seemed= to be modulated but I couldn't decode it. John F5VLF=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf06.mx.aol.com (rly-mf06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.176]) by air-mf06.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMF061-9674a5ee22d3d2; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 04:18:04 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf06.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF065-9674a5ee22d3d2; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 04:17:51 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MRM8h-000387-5C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:16:27 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MRM8g-00037y-KB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:16:26 +0100 Received: from psmtp30.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.32]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MRM8d-0006AG-Bj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:16:25 +0100 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp30.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KMV00MQ98B3VP@psmtp30.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:16:16 +0200 (MEST) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:16:12 +0200 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <32A397601B41446080BDA56C913775B5@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: XGJ 16-07.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_qRtTU0qMyXlOE7T5RX8O8Q)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_qRtTU0qMyXlOE7T5RX8O8Q) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Ye3eJggBJsDv6EQ/B5lg+A)" --Boundary_(ID_Ye3eJggBJsDv6EQ/B5lg+A) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Warren LF, capture xgj,with qrm henny pa3cpm 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: XGJ 16-07.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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Hi Warren LF,
capture xgj,with qrm
henny pa3cpm
73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
XGJ 16-07.jpg

Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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137kHz F8BOJ 40 to 50 dB above noise Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1246784778" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 -------------------------------1246784778 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Claude,solid 25 dB over the noise here (measure with SPM3 50 Ohms) Very strong and clear signal.Very FB. F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP RX : WG SPM3 Ant: Miniwhip PA0RDT _http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/_ (http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/) -------------------------------1246784778 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Claude,solid 25 dB over the noise here (measure with SPM3= 50=20 Ohms)
Very strong and clear signal.Very FB.
 
 
F4DTL=20 Nicolas JN18FP

RX : WG SPM3
 -------------------------------1246784778-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (rly-dc04.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.33]) by air-dc07.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC074-b154a5cf97b177; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:32:56 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC041-b154a5cf97b177; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:32:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MQpbX-0004DW-7q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:32:03 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MQpbW-0004DM-Hd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:32:02 +0100 Received: from smtp145.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.106.56]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MQpbM-0005ru-1F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:31:52 +0100 Received: (qmail 6614 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2009 21:31:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=VBkNrA+RN9Biaa7LhwOwDoYU6gF80+f9RXO2t4QTbG3bz5YxLkD2oiGLFCJ2MVra7eJAnH28DvWDdvRrV8oc8GMfuDxWnYIS6Pfc4V7rZGBbJPPMivszY6bYXN/OCyqb0W7ULL80WRw6/xwWA03x/EiIJ7KmE7rtObI3Vfzpcw0= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lindavideo) (ken.h.wright@86.140.224.132 with login) by smtp145.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 21:31:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: APVNTmmswBB1ajQe0.MR1eIpHqOdoGKpEnK7HtPhl2t5AIcci3nTdw-- X-YMail-OSG: yw_BmOYVM1lSyAwTR.60eo_DTMLd2eeIIyn0juirv8yEivPrT17FLHYMgTTmfAsMSKRkm_oNwE8rnTOjUzHi28X0dRbUbxMpVNPaTh2TvzPRSPn3fZIOagYQMHuLtKrtfKtxea92LQgtTKbJ0.g3wSTeVeDeJbPNCZRqEvmXcOr3DnprwSMK7SBqkZGw.Ifvqgph8xDWKiROHnWvgd3tPFZd3hRCtwaVrawbVUn3g1gTC7MIXJKWE8Rr_cnZf1MRzEMEKwPxN0oLRPFUvVIMRQJUKl8XOYKlBVKI9p6ihGmTuTCpiBUw7XEVE.RQ4lvDX5i.6mmxYvqDruEeYAIIzyVx6pMCEQCBOhFX7hCxqtk5UfmEM0QknaiYKS8.tQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <49F580A58ECC467CA208D62019C6550D@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <942004.58848.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:31:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: Re: (QSX)....... RE: Microwave oven transformers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA04D2.E176C120" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=EXCUSE_16,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA04D2.E176C120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Pete. I only have one antenna at pressent, so unable to work Xband, that is= about job no. 100. If you can tx on 500 by almeans mail me and we can= try to work each other. Regards Ken 73deM0KHW =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 9:14 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: (QSX)....... RE: Microwave oven transformers Hi Ken Off your topic but had to relate that while on holiday last we= ek on the cliff tops at Corton nr Lowestoft (abt 95miles) I copied you= working Chris G3XIZ. I was using a 80m dipole up 6m and an unmodified= Kenwood TS50s you were a very readable signal a couple of S points do= wn on Chris but Solid copy!! FB signal there Ken. Prior to your QSO I= worked Chris QSX (sort of) me on 3.566. I called a few times but I gu= ess you were not set up for QSX? Anyway nice copy there on 500 Ken. 73 petefmt --- On Tue, 14/7/09, Ken wrote: From: Ken Subject: LF: Re: RE: Microwave oven transformers To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tuesday, 14 July, 2009, 8:33 PM Jim. There will probably be a fair bit of technical smoke comimg= out of Luton, but that is what our hobby is all about, any other usef= ull sugestions? Krgards. Ken 73deM0KHW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: James Cowburn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 8:28 PM Subject: LF: RE: Microwave oven transformers Tesla Roulette!! With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn 26 Birch Close Broom Biggleswade Beds SG18 9NR T +44 (0) 1767 600522=20 M+44 (0) ... E james.cowburn@virgin.net =E2=80=9CThe information transmitted is intended only for th= e person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or= privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient, you are= hereby notified that you must not read this message. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of,= or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons= or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Consequ= ently, this email is not intended to be contractually binding. If you received this in error, please contact the sender, re= turn the message as well as its attachments and delete the whole from= any computer.=E2=80=9D ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner- rsg= b_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] On Behalf Of Ken Sent: 14 July 2009 20:22 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Microwave oven transformers Hello everyone. Does any one have experience in using microwave oven transfo= rmers in high voltage power units, I acquired two of these at the week= end. I was informed that as they stand the voltage regulation is poor,= to improve this the 'Core Shunts' should be removed, (these are lamin= ations between the two stacks), removal of these 'shunts' also has the= effect of considerably increasing the magnetisation current. The solu= tion to this seems to be to use two transformers, connecting the both= primaries and secondary's in series to restore the 2KV output voltage= . Any comments on this most welcome Note for Mal, this is serious stuff not for appliance operat= ors. Regards Ken Wright 73 de M0KHW =20 ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA04D2.E176C120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Pete.
I only have one antenna at pressent,= so unable to=20 work Xband, that is about job no. 100. If you can tx on 500 by almeans= mail me=20 and we can try to work each other.
Regards
Ken
73deM0KHW
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT=
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009= 9:14=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: (QSX)...= .... RE:=20 Microwave oven transformers

Hi Ken
 
Off your topic but had to relate that while on holiday la= st week on=20 the cliff tops at Corton nr Lowestoft (abt 95miles) I copied= you working=20 Chris G3XIZ. I was using a 80m dipole up 6m and an unmodified= Kenwood=20 TS50s you were a very readable signal a couple of S points dow= n on Chris=20 but Solid copy!! FB signal there Ken. Prior to your QSO I work= ed Chris=20 QSX (sort of) me on 3.566. I called a few times but I guess yo= u were not=20 set up for QSX?
 
Anyway nice copy there on 500 Ken.
 
73 petefmt

--- On Tue, 14/7/09, Ken=20 <ken.h.wright@btinternet.com> wrote:

From:=20 Ken <ken.h.wright@btinternet.com>
Subject: LF: Re:= RE:=20 Microwave oven transformers
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Tuesday, 14 July, 2009= , 8:33=20 PM

Jim.
There will probably be a fa= ir bit of=20 technical smoke comimg out of Luton, but that is what our ho= bby is all=20 about, any other usefull sugestions?
 
Krgards.
Ken
73deM0KHW
----- Original Message ---= --
Fr= om: James Cowburn
Sent: Tuesday, July= 14, 2009=20 8:28 PM
Subject: LF: RE: Mi= crowave oven=20 transformers

Tesla=20 Roulette!!

 

With best=20 regards

 

 

Jim<= /FONT>

 

 

Dr. James=20 Cowburn

26 Birch=20 Close

Broom

Biggleswade

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From:=20 owner- rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ] On=20 Behalf Of Ken
Sent: 14 July 2009=20 20:22
To:= =20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Microwave oven=20 transformers

 

Hello=20 everyone.

Does any one ha= ve=20 experience in using microwave oven transformers in high volt= age power=20 units, I acquired two of these at the weekend. I was informe= d that as=20 they stand the voltage regulation is poor, to improve this= the 'Core=20 Shunts' should be removed, (these are laminations between th= e two=20 stacks), removal of these 'shunts' also has the effect of co= nsiderably=20 increasing the magnetisation current. The solution to this= seems to be=20 to use two transformers, connecting the both primaries and= secondary's=20 in series to restore the 2KV output voltage.

 

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Regards<= /FONT>

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73 de=20 M0KHW


------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CA04D2.E176C120-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc11.mx.aol.com (rly-mc11.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.95]) by air-mc03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMC032-da24a553ffd18; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:55:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc11.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC112-da24a553ffd18; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:55:28 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MOhtw-0007tw-0r for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 01:54:16 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MOhtv-0007tn-DH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 01:54:15 +0100 Received: from smtp822.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MOhtp-0001lB-PW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 01:54:10 +0100 Received: (qmail 68351 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 00:54:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=q5voMqyMHwltVgGucWOe5imr4PLfCEGZUbt0KJAje37pO1nM2JdQM/YBImjwmxJv758JdMVvqR2V9SvM4KDNM+p487cDGOHKKB6KlYz0uH40rAVv70fT2Igfz9NP+8Ntq0VxuP7MNcFSwAKe8Evsic3XBxgpM9TAEXibxAUyrjE= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.107.213 with login) by smtp822.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 00:54:07 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: 24f.ofEVM1kzu4Bx0sPofNIoVGNt6wrl.din1BlV9.U0awWVDlckwSXV65mpS4VdjL7AoSruJ3hVT7PqftNThCPktpdZroHPsM9Cr7jif68cEhBjSAxDQR7JvzkbWf8240OwdTgqfA80LXDHscCqp2xZga9sEd1khcVdJZt1.MtVfq28sWnyNJJuaMjQk9c6FoV7n9hsAInH8n7L_J_poqFCCw8ATo3NsRhkwW3j2Oo9PMZPFedNVG1Rkwy_YvgWsgKeg03oUzNvL76dP0dqtSXtPB8ccHuudgbC00EfqQaPsjW9rhPFFnFoms_F9TAVcQz3d9CxfHyFbcaFCr8BpszufYx2I7332a9IQR0avoahZcC6eo3pv4Y2fqudXDgg X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <3ED0CD52FE44410585B4FD49BC73AF8C@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 01:54:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: LF Tuning Aids Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF Group, I have just uploaded a file (LF_tuning_aids.pdf) to the UK500kHz group site at http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/files. This is an updated/expanded version of my old "LF tuning meter" article that has been on G3YXM's web pages for some time. It describes a number of devices for monitoring antenna matching I have used on 136kHz and 500kHz, including: -The original 136kHz LF tuning meter design, indicating voltage, current and phase, with updates for dual band 136k/500k use. -The "Scopematch", for displaying antenna feeder voltage and current waveforms on a dual trace scope -A couple of simple SWR bridge designs Hope it proves to be of interest - any comments welcome. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (rly-mg02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.108]) by air-mg09.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMG093-9fe4a5dd50f2cf; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:09:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG028-9fe4a5dd50f2cf; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:09:37 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MR4E6-0005yS-1o for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:08:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MR4E4-0005yJ-Am for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:08:48 +0100 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MR4Dr-0002bv-RJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:08:37 +0100 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81EC92ACA33 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:08:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps01.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.136] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.53L) with ESMTP id XID989NgoNih4285X01; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:08:33 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.136 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps01.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID989NgoNih4285X01 Received: from [127.0.0.1] [151.47.210.192] by cmsapps01.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 531NgoNiE5072M36; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:08:30 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.210.192 AUTH dibene@usa.net [127.0.0.1] Message-ID: <4A5DD4CB.8020109@usa.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:08:27 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1EDB89E6D3E24E008B4897CFE896A09F@lindavideo> In-Reply-To: <1EDB89E6D3E24E008B4897CFE896A09F@lindavideo> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090714-0, 07/14/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Z-USANET-MsgId: XID531NgoNif5072X36 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Ken wrote: > I was informed that as they stand the voltage regulation is poor, to improve > this the 'Core Shunts' should be removed, (these are laminations between > the two stacks), removal of these 'shunts' also has the effect of > considerably increasing the magnetisation current. Just out of curiosity, what is the purpose of those magnetic shunts when the microwave oven transformers are used for their intended application ? 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (rly-dc08.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.37]) by air-dc09.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC091-b354a68aced9f; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:33:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC081-b354a68aced9f; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:33:19 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MU35Q-0005ZV-A8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:32:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MU35P-0005ZM-QR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:32:11 +0100 Received: from mail-yx0-f179.google.com ([209.85.210.179]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MU357-0003Hw-7X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:31:53 +0100 Received: by yxe9 with SMTP id 9so1842161yxe.30 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:32:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=CK9Lt2N+Hmu2hm9G9ETp855BYlzRbX6zSY0yGB7eifU=; b=nAwqq/HoGaWgi98ia8IlFijSE0A0GN3ur4z5RpW2wpkT0vEPbJfj3q6G9RcaInt2zt djxGJUqtBi3Gc8aHNDq/O1MVHVooQR7D7oQmW4wdUQF5HVXON2aYdZ8xb17Se0fmjXB3 YZGkuu4/xRz+ub8wuP4MGBil7jxGI7HYQSMrg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=kCi1ZNE6mKFf98ag11lONgsfxA04RpWD5n6hukblhLw7V4JTW58m+mpczq6frFzU8c QZ1DX6luARCEiwxot49PzA+s5YNGN+e1ifAWNQn656A0E1XStI4vbhHQ64Oh/pe1NgMc bsOUZ0Bac+ID2DBzgmM4FbpmywJZ2WtpFHvC8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.178.13 with SMTP id a13mr3666126ybf.284.1248373921666; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:32:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <00a001ca0bb6$9466d100$0900a8c0@AM> References: <000001ca0922$9cf3c580$6401a8c0@asus> <006501ca0926$8f4743e0$0900a8c0@AM> <4A681267.9010602@online.fr> <57a24ca70907230856t4877342erfb2c84bc4891fee7@mail.gmail.com> <00a001ca0bb6$9466d100$0900a8c0@AM> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:32:01 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70907231132t1295bf25ma4cd736a9a8143fa@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: [137kHz] T/A WD2XGJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d278.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Thanks Alan, conditions earlier in the week were great, BBC on 198 very loud here along with other LW stations. --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Alan Melia wr= ote: > Hi Warren and listeners.....yes there was a sudden KP=3D6 which depresse= d the > Dst to -65nT and Steve W4EEE's plot of DCF39 was noticably lower than > previous night. I think things should recover fairly quickly the Dst was > back to -30nT this morning. So there might be slighly lower signals leve= ls > for a night or so before it returns to what it was. > > Thanks for the beacon Warren and the nice pic of the gear !! > > Best Wishes > Alan G3NYK > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Warren Ziegler" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 4:56 PM > Subject: Re: LF: [137kHz] T/A WD2XGJ > > > Hi =A0Jean-Pierre, > > =A0 =A0 =A0Thanks for the report. =A0I ran full power for one 'XGJ' stri= ng, > just bad conditions. > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WD2XGJ > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WD2XSH/23 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WE2XEB/2 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0WE2XGR/1 > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 3:33 AM, "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 > (F1AFJ)" wrote: >> Hi Warren , LF , >> >> Just a small trace last night ! >> Or the propagation are very bad ? >> Or Warren forgot to bring PA ! >> Or perhaps spots of the sun of these last days >> >> 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj >> >> > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da02.mx.aol.com (rly-da02.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.76]) by air-da05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDA054-a554a579795185; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:33:55 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA025-a554a579795185; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:33:44 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MPLpm-0005cA-No for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:32:38 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MPLpl-0005c1-UT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:32:37 +0100 Received: from smtp12.hushmail.com ([65.39.178.135]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPLpi-00018A-OG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:32:37 +0100 Received: from smtp12.hushmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp12.hushmail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B7E9770290 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:32:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.hushmail.com (w2.hushmail.com [65.39.178.96]) by smtp12.hushmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:32:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.hushmail.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id 91924B8040; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:32:32 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:32:31 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: thule@hushmail.com Message-Id: <20090710193232.91924B8040@smtp.hushmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:19:07 +0000 mal hamilton >We all managed to commumicate and navigate this past 100 years You might have, most of us aren't quite that old.... -- Make a big mistake? Click here to find a lawyer to help you. http://tagline.hushmail.com/fc/BLSrjkqkLEZ9eH5HDfgIEbRJKPtOGkzHguLTDB0psvgqgORw3ffbDwKxgNC/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de05.mx.aol.com (rly-de05.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.141]) by air-de06.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDE064-4d64a68a0bd332; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:41:38 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de05.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE053-4d64a68a0bd332; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:41:19 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MU2H7-0005Nw-Tt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:40:13 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MU2H7-0005Nn-BM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:40:13 +0100 Received: from smtp818.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.18]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MU2H3-0000np-CX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:40:11 +0100 Received: (qmail 71831 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2009 17:40:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=qYZrGJTEkefzQ6f95aPirJ5zLT5EgEb0Ok+96LfbXICNFCtXo9bvbyHe00LFxQAj+keEGtJr0GEa1Az/YMXoHmrkZd20Iq5VU7kyizmnTYZjkhiy3Z4Rpg5Ie7wcnz5DNljgnOS2jV9NFfhXErSdmGr6+FaY+cR/EmkNF8pp7ro= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.9.149 with login) by smtp818.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2009 17:40:02 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: ic5zQboVM1nNz7VedsfEpyQdadTZ0VDO8KlWc.6nM_.szwbIFst3KakjaFi.E9Vq5OyDlwTKzUXsvMoAQN6rB1dos8i8leHiSiT3iWjc55levLdNCFQUqfGDkdRf2NKVe7OCi4cCVgPMO37TJX4WtmC1Ryaqp_I2MlBI7IVZ9FsvebO10aPwnWz_WCIQkOso1_6IVChk4unNSD6XFr.OMyC2aUKDPbsICAE49AUqKfnCak2U_P2eAMmJSEBCj6.1DZrt3Hj4iwCphkWMlZ0Q4Vw52LNu3pCLGmJJnzBnRJ9z4c70Wg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <1MTixd-0cGXyK0@fwd00.t-online.de> <4A687388.4050801@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <4A687388.4050801@usa.net> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:40:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Loop discussion Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Alberto, LF Group, To give a sensible answer, you have to look at the numbers specific to your antenna and requirements. For example, suppose you want to use a broadband loop as you have described on 136kHz. I reckon the noise floor under quiet band conditions is about 1uV/m in 300Hz bandwidth at 136k. The figures I have to hand are for a 1m x 1m loop element made of 15mm copper water pipe, so let us use that as a basis. The EMF induced in the loop is 2.1e-8 x fNAE, where f is Hz, N is number of turns, A is m^2, and E is field strength in V/m. The 1uV/m band noise will therefore produce an EMF of approx 2.9nV in the single-turn loop. Let us follow Roelof's example and use a 1:30 step-up transformer. The EMF at the secondary will therefore be 86nV. This is quite small, but we can use a low noise amplifier - a J310 as used in the high impedance "Mini-whip" design has an input noise voltage density of about 1.2nV/sqrt Hz, so contributes 21nV noise in 300Hz BW, about 12dB below the band noise level, so there is some margin to allow additional noise from other sources. The other thing we need to worry about is the thermal noise contributed by the loss resistance of the loop and transformer. Suppose we want this to be at least 6dB below the band noise level, i.e. 43nV at the transformer secondary. The thermal noise EMF of a resistance is sqrt(4kTBR), so the maximum resistance we can have is Vn^2 / 4kTB, where k is Boltzmann's constant 1.38E-23, T is absolute temperature (say 300K), B is bandwidth of 300Hz - R works out to 372ohms. The impedance at the transformer secondary will be the overall loss resistance of loop and transformer, in series with the transformed inductive reactance of the loop (assuming that the transformer winding inductance is high enough to have negligible effect). The 1m^2 single turn loop has L of about 3.4uH, so with a 1:30 transformer, the inductance at the secondary will be 900 times this, 3.06mH. This has a reactance at 136k of 2.6kohms, so the minimum permissible Q of the loop/transformer combination is 2.6k/372, i.e. about 7. This is not very high. My prototype loop was made of 4 x 1m lengths of tube with 4 x 90 degree elbows, so 8 solder joints, plus various hardware and bits of wire connecting the resonating capacitors. The unloaded Q at 136k was about 120 (and it seems the capacitors actually contributed significantly to the loss), so the loop itself is probably not an issue, or the addition of a few turns of wire as the transformer primary. I suspect the transformer would be a greater contributor to the resistance due to losses in the ferrite core , but provided the inductance of the primary was several times larger than the loop inductance, it should be quite easy to achieve an overall Q greater than 7. You also want to make the transformer inductance high in order to minimise its shunting effect on the loop - this would further reduce the already low voltage at the transformer secondary. The impedance at the transformer secondary is kilohms, so a high input impedance preamp is needed, whose noise figure is not seriously degraded by the high source impedance, such as a JFET. A mini-whip-type buffer meets this requirement, but with unity voltage gain, the output voltage is still very low, so a sensitive receiver or further gain would be needed. Most amateur type rigs used for receive on 136k would need 20 - 40dB additional gain due to their poor sensitivity. An issue with a wideband design like this is that the transformer would probably resonate somewhere in the 100s of kilohertz range, which would put a sharp peak in the loop response at that frequency - if this is in the broadcast band, it would probably be a good idea to add a damping R-C combination to reduce the chances of strong overloading broadcast signals. Some selectivity would be desirable in any case, if the loop was used with a high gain preamp. Of course, if you resonate the loop at the operating frequency, you can get quite a lot of voltage gain "for free", but the bandwidth will be much smaller. So it looks like this particular design is feasible and the loop construction not very critical. I have not tried this particular configuration (my loops need to incorporate some selectivity to be viable, due to the 10s of volts/metre from the broadcast stations), but I used a similar approach with the bandpass loops and several other designs, and got more or less what was expected, so it should work OK. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (rly-mf05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.175]) by air-mf01.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMF013-95f4a690aec2e3; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:14:40 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF055-95f4a690aec2e3; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:14:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MU9LM-0006WN-8N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 02:13:04 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MU9LL-0006WE-C8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 02:13:03 +0100 Received: from fish2.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.163]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MU9LG-0005SX-SL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 02:13:01 +0100 Received: from weazle (pppoe.dyn-216.46.157.96.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.157.96]) by fish2.hurontel.on.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 859D7879F4E for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from weazle (pppoe.dyn-216.46.157.96.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.157.96]) by fish2.hurontel.on.ca with SMTP id 8gBF5fDf29wAwuLM for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000201ca0bfb$db158d40$0b01a8c0@weazle> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: References: <1MTixd-0cGXyK0@fwd00.t-online.de> <4A687388.4050801@usa.net> <1MU4lz-1dRfeq0@fwd10.t-online.de> <434E6E4F7AC64D8B995F684D832555DA@JimPC> <49FC75F6A7D2439197581F10016D72AE@AGB> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 02:12:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Loop discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Graham, Would you kindly pass along some details of the GB4FPR delta loop? I've been using one here with a perimeter of 333 feet for several years now for receiving purposes in the range 160 to 530 kHz. A binocular core with a 1:2 turns ratio at one of the bottom corners provides the step-up to the RG-6U coax to the receiver. I've no problems with static charges or arcs (so far), but I have thought of putting some high value resistors from the loop ends to ground. 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL Solar and wind powered Lowfer " EAR" 188.830 EN93dr http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (rly-mf02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.172]) by air-mf04.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMF042-9434a4ff2e01b2; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:25:15 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF021-9434a4ff2e01b2; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:25:06 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MNFWa-0002Wl-PK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:24:08 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MNFWa-0002Wc-Av for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:24:08 +0100 Received: from smtp815.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MNFWY-0001yc-Pw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:24:07 +0100 Received: (qmail 45573 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2009 00:24:00 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=N9JUk73f1VBLzeyNtR9QKyRkX3oATQbI2nEN1y3Bjr3k1jTd4A7IEgyYZ2O2OwNxiJuhF98WT9PIO54v87JcvO5f9mGkLWjvFQwewwpsfr7/5v9cpK6a4uo0N0hueuOgeiVOcUFijl+oC/6d97YhskEHBKhyJJVZGMmHcL+tl3k= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.190.110 with login) by smtp815.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 00:24:00 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: YPbdyBYVM1lIoBGfyFxreUenft9aQ_.hBsqXosS6gNTDIwywIJxjcMKfsBzYw8vPCAMtdxBDGnWXCxa8OZRyspWc8qLq2ECsiCoQkk0jfvc50NvyrQBiskaI6kbJpFc7ChUEHbS_m0KOmQWNRgoeHvotjUWUTn0PLzqyeB01oR7qZ59vS.3FpQuloLAYl0m_YzdMkKwdvsWKfpCdAhATPpkbqW0c0CL1nO04KR8GLXqETKgDh_JKAg8X2sJQPOXrC.AK3Lg4BRnZHP5SbdonKTuFMq3.GLKoSNJKApxl5DKMzFfCoLE- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <908B19DF06BE4ECEB3A61470A89BEFA8@Black> <20090703100648.865C531E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <20090703113546.640D731E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be>,<09DF43BF4A974C1D80DF9BC90E77B1E3@AGB> In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 01:24:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: RE: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=LINES_OF_YELLING, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Graham, LF Group, Tried replying to your CQs a couple of times around 2200utc, but no response - perhaps that receiver does need a look... Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df11.mx.aol.com (rly-df11.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.24]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDF041-58a4a5db1bb1a7; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 06:39:04 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df11.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF113-58a4a5db1bb1a7; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 06:38:53 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MR1qc-0005d4-L6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:36:26 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MR1qa-0005cu-Jd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:36:24 +0100 Received: from n1b.bullet.mail.aue.yahoo.com ([124.108.96.250]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MR1qV-00059t-Ip for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:36:23 +0100 Received: from [124.108.96.170] by n1.bullet.mail.aue.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2009 10:36:09 -0000 Received: from [124.108.96.187] by t1.bullet.mail.aue.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2009 10:36:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp102.mail.aue.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2009 10:36:09 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 179292.87347.bm@omp102.mail.aue.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 37507 invoked by uid 1000); 15 Jul 2009 10:36:09 -0000 Received: from 124.108.96.71 by rel104.mail.aue.yahoo.com with SMTP; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 03:36:08 -0700 Received: (qmail 68426 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2009 10:36:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sooby.xtra.co.nz) (bjhayes@219.88.52.99 with login) by smtp102.tnz.mail.aue.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 10:36:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: fnILtrcVM1mCRAcgbzTgrY.Y_aZWe2vfkjDi3ath6kwBZCjLS1VHwuu_3zZq5y7zxFRWLLAeJr_QUjRsZZLnW54vSDUyo9RDrG6vZWyqMqs8_uLI6siSp5OC2Qkg2JsgEFXxXwuVwL.vfCN88qA5ZE9c X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.1.20090715193731.01a75230@xtra.co.nz> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:35:14 +1200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Brenda Hayes Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Microwave oven transformers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello all, I have recently done some tests on a pair of identical transformers removed from two identical ovens. Perhaps unfortunately, I removed the magnetic shunts before doing any no-load testing. After half an hour, with 235V applied to the primary windings and no secondary load, the iron was far too hot for comfort.. At this stage, I measured the iron losses with an accurate wattmeter that certainly takes account of the crummy power factor.. At 50 watts apiece, for no-load losses, I had visions of cooling fans etc. My solution was to wire a double-wound 230/32V [150VA] transformer in step-down "auto" style to feed the ex-microwave transformer primaries. This step-down transformer showed negligible iron loss of 4W or so. With a new primary voltage of 200, the standing iron loss dropped to around 30W per ex-microwave transformer. Naturally, the secondary voltage has also dropped. I now have about 1600 - 0 - 1600V from the two transformers when the primaries are correctly phased. While the earthed ends of each HT winding could be lifted and FW bridge rectification employed, I was reluctant to follow this path due to insulation considerations. There is another trick that I found useful for safely matching non-identical transformers, provided they are much the same size: Apply 230V to the HV secondary windings and compare output voltages - usually 23/26 volts or so. Watch where you put your fingers. Kevin ZL4MD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (rly-dc03.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.32]) by air-dc03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC032-b0d4a5e4c97168; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:39:55 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC031-b0d4a5e4c97168; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:39:37 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MRCBX-00016V-Ke for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:38:43 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MRCBX-00016M-6K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:38:43 +0100 Received: from smtp22.services.sfr.fr ([93.17.128.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MRCBL-00087J-NY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:38:32 +0100 Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2214.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 80B66700008A for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:38:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from euro7g1ku6dl5q (21.171.87-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.87.171.21]) by msfrf2214.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with SMTP id ACEAE7000088 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:38:31 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20090715213831708.ACEAE7000088@msfrf2214.sfr.fr Message-ID: <002601ca0594$98fa7550$0201a8c0@euro7g1ku6dl5q> From: "Claude Berthebaud" To: References: <739698B75D344BD8A9819C8C0F1EDB80@ns94d01ae4d850> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:38:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090715-0, 15/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: captur f8boj.jpg Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01CA05A5.5C2FCE20" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CA05A5.5C2FCE20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bonsoir Henny. and LF group..=20 Thank you for control. 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------=_NextPart_000_0027_01CA0EC6.01102830-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df04.mx.aol.com (rly-df04.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.17]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDF043-5474a5cdc9a1ab; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:29:57 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF046-5474a5cdc9a1ab; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:29:31 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MQng9-0003Ql-9s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:28:41 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MQng8-0003Qb-NS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:28:40 +0100 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MQnfv-00056p-08 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:28:30 +0100 Received: from know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.3]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20090714192829.DLUZ5579.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:28:29 +0100 Received: from [86.26.88.245] (helo=jimdesk) by know-smtpout-3.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MQnfv-0002jf-Cn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:28:29 +0100 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <1EDB89E6D3E24E008B4897CFE896A09F@lindavideo> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:28:20 +0100 Message-ID: <000301ca04b9$3fdbc9f0$0217aac0@jimdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcoEuJmLZ9Ahbj6yQ62o6y4fKWioVwAAJUIg In-Reply-To: <1EDB89E6D3E24E008B4897CFE896A09F@lindavideo> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=8RloEfZUAAAA:8 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=6Y5fWbYPM_mLeTJXgtAA:9 a=iLKxxzQnUyhduMOXttsA:7 a=ZLRaY25pqjG2fDx0UaecGpczVkYA:4 a=O58u2wXj750A:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=7rrfebrt_x5LBugPZsAA:9 a=psYeeSxSpS7Hi3xrzIgA:7 a=LSparrTD1ouZnCzLi5S8PJNnwmYA:4 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: Microwave oven transformers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01CA04C1.A1A27BE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=EXCUSE_16,HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CA04C1.A1A27BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tesla Roulette!! With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn 26 Birch Close Broom Biggleswade Beds SG18 9NR T +44 (0) 1767 600522 M+44 (0) 7967 300152 E james.cowburn@virgin.net "The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must not read this message. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Consequently, this email is not intended to be contractually binding. If you received this in error, please contact the sender, return the message as well as its attachments and delete the whole from any computer." _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Ken Sent: 14 July 2009 20:22 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Microwave oven transformers Hello everyone. Does any one have experience in using microwave oven transformers in high voltage power units, I acquired two of these at the weekend. I was informed that as they stand the voltage regulation is poor, to improve this the 'Core Shunts' should be removed, (these are laminations between the two stacks), removal of these 'shunts' also has the effect of considerably increasing the magnetisation current. The solution to this seems to be to use two transformers, connecting the both primaries and secondary's in series to restore the 2KV output voltage. Any comments on this most welcome Note for Mal, this is serious stuff not for appliance operators. Regards Ken Wright 73 de M0KHW ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CA04C1.A1A27BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org [mailto:owner-= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: 14 July 2009 20:2= 2
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Microwave= oven transformers

 

Hello everyone.

Does any one have experience in using= microwave oven transformers in high voltage power units, I acquired two of these at= the weekend. I was informed that as they stand the voltage regulation is= poor, to improve this the 'Core Shunts' should be removed, (these are laminations betwe= en the two stacks), removal of these 'shunts' also has the effect of consider= ably increasing the magnetisation current. The solution to this seems to be= to use two transformers, connecting the both primaries and secondary's in ser= ies to restore the 2KV output voltage.

 

Any comments on this most welcome

 

Note for Mal, this is serious stuff not= for appliance operators.

 

Regards

Ken Wright

 

73 de M0KHW

------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CA04C1.A1A27BE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de01.mx.aol.com (rly-de01.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.137]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDE033-4b34a4f4d24215; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 08:38:05 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE018-4b34a4f4d24215; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 08:37:58 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MN4UV-00015a-MX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:37:15 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MN4UV-00015R-6M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:37:15 +0100 Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.213.6]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MN4US-00005k-T0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:37:15 +0100 Received: from [172.23.170.140] (helo=anti-virus02-07) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1MN4US-0005O9-AV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:37:12 +0100 Received: from [92.235.33.173] (helo=p4) by asmtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1MN4UR-0006oV-PB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:37:11 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Mark" To: References: <001401c9fc9c$938f2760$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:37:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Mc Coy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FA_01C9FCAC.889AF180" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_00FA_01C9FCAC.889AF180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 30 sec search on the internet http://www.datasheetarchive.com/pdf-datasheets/Datasheets-110/DSAP0042= 37.pdf Mark ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 12:42 PM Subject: LF: Mc Coy Hi all Does anyone have data for Mc Coy electronics XTAL OSCILLATOR MC137X7= -001W 10.000 MHz SN72758-126 This is a module and requires +5v, +15v sealed unit but has an adjus= ter and I expect the osc can be shifted slightly, but enough to be use= ful for 500 Khz divided down. 73 mal/g3kev ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.3/2217 - Release Date: 07/= 03/09 18:11:00 ------=_NextPart_000_00FA_01C9FCAC.889AF180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Hi all
Does anyone have data for Mc Coy el= ectronics XTAL=20 OSCILLATOR MC137X7-001W 10.000 MHz
SN72758-126
This is a module and requires +5v,= +15v sealed=20 unit but has an adjuster and I expect the osc can be shifted slightl= y, but=20 enough to be useful for 500 Khz divided down.
73 mal/g3kev
 


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------=_NextPart_000_00FA_01C9FCAC.889AF180-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (rly-mf05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.175]) by air-mf10.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMF103-9614a64c56e15c; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:29:01 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF057-9614a64c56e15c; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:28:47 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MSyWc-0005UE-H0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:27:50 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MSyWc-0005U5-3d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:27:50 +0100 Received: from mail-gx0-f221.google.com ([209.85.217.221]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MSyWY-0004IJ-2m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:27:48 +0100 Received: by gxk21 with SMTP id 21so4006073gxk.4 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:27:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=w6frPgNPW8PUm4kvLE0by5jfX+BE/J9AQ1tOLgX3TYA=; b=VSPuej1Kt4IgLcbrj73vBXEQqMQJfmCDWCOtOs03sJ7Q9dqsVh8GMeG5famjQ8LnMC MlW03PkV8Q4ngmKzdYp/MhWTAHhiVFIdJdkpMDuuFoZ301auQCDJYrQ+7PvQQS+vTQvK ugsTBOouEc9dFj105kc4RCMLI22bx2b7jv3FQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=q1WTOLNeQfbf6ioOd8HSVgGxQZKJ8PyZDf7YDfNT0ovdOL/ZIXxl8J7msPrMq/jWxx h7ZR/dS7NmuqWNyCqzw+rFnxOdfD88U3n/zG7el6K2HTnSdoyne/gJrcOU+q7tSxxSk8 rVxmKHG+vDQ/b8fbwBWY0UJ3ByfayNzbwrUvs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.226.14 with SMTP id y14mr6304194ybg.3.1248118060013; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:27:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <12821.82.161.81.65.1248110576.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <12821.82.161.81.65.1248110576.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:27:39 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70907201227t5333113bj2ffd4b82c1d1d783@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: IC7200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m266.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) According to QST: "Reduced receiver sensitivity below 500kHz ... *Preamp off/on: 505 kHz, =96121/=96128 dBm; 137 kHz, =96116/=9695 dBm; 30= kHz, =9677/=9666 dBm. The preamp does not improve sensitivity below approximately 250 kHz." --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Roelof Bakker wrote: > Hello all, > > I am looking for information on the LF receiver performance of the new > ICOM IC7200 transceiver. There seems to be a review in the June issue of > QST. > I don't have direct access to QST. Is there someone who has access to QS= T > and can tell me if anything has been said about receiver sensitivity bel= ow > 500 kHz? > > Even better is there someone on this list with first hands experience? > > Thank you in advance. > > Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (rly-dg07.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.91]) by air-dg08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDG081-5df4a5922d0342; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:40:17 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG078-5df4a5922d0342; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:40:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MPm9f-0001vW-3S for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 00:38:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MPm9e-0001vM-Dw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 00:38:54 +0100 Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.78.150]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPm9W-0001g5-Fy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 00:38:47 +0100 Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 13so377500eye.14 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:38:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=GD74TJZ23kjq/GH3IYAt+zuVDJ3e2c/TnMBqsA32Z4I=; b=osgF538c9984XUEJ1S6D4D41gSHP+/GbrjyejbamzDzliOyeYLX9Z3vDS6JDM238Oo KGsokxahw4emA2Z9Ki01RtzgFpRNaq+Sn1cgLMpE/y2UhB9/bj7zNnTb45AxHSHJaG// UquoLfxzf8gpPfZZyXIbQD7XCsHz4H4BEiP2w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Hp0y60rQrpjsry1ZAMaIoEtiomCUi7tvOI8++hcI0jG6l5d5Xd7eL86Tp2Gfn1dkaC Z8O73W2anzVqGhW3kr9NFa8vTcIGwUmKsOiIf/i3acae3wLa6dT4d+Pon1W6nydm+8Iv /7TNr+W5VSV2hpHbRDQFVpfgGpJ0xnt+TQqJ0= Received: by 10.210.70.8 with SMTP id s8mr4267013eba.46.1247355531118; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.218.2.9? (sighthound.demon.co.uk [80.177.174.126]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm2470247eyg.18.2009.07.11.16.38.50 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:38:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A592289.2010501@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:38:49 +0000 From: thule User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8bf118410907100011s696aa712sbd88bd3a023e1c39@mail.gmail.com> <001401ca0147$dc500d20$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <001401ca0147$dc500d20$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m244.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) mal hamilton wrote: > and a pedal powered power source will communicate on. I can't wait for that eventuality! At least having to pedal - for every erg - might limit the endless "CQ CQ CQ ......QSK......QSX......" transmissions that aren't beacons, honest officer, every character is sent by hand....ho ho ho From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb09.mx.aol.com (rly-mb09.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.167]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMB074-d2a4a6caecc273; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:30:38 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb09.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB096-d2a4a6caecc273; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:30:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MV9Pf-0005nd-1f for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:29:39 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MV9Pe-0005nS-LZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:29:38 +0100 Received: from mail-gx0-f221.google.com ([209.85.217.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MV9PJ-0005tS-E1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:29:17 +0100 Received: by gxk21 with SMTP id 21so4770208gxk.4 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:29:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=jDKpeHBZQmpVhvuH5xqtMLxccBZX5MxwYjwbcX2UPmM=; b=EuL+l8FHefHMBeVqyaY0ixMel/QAiVExp8WfS/rC9uEfGnnY2vGHWd7VbB6VC5B3AI SPytmrX6QpL8MZXlxeGcAbBw0xWfTP27fJ+VDjD2zWmE6ay97USf90ksjJCoOr7fbY+/ 6GLkGnKKGYdIsmhxvXlZD9LIgLg5ybbUG/89k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=QQXIOI/pXp7Yf3b72tmwbYikpDVEzywrPgmkqhIXqzuM6BLeltPeS9GPKcoUjYkzvP H3//47YQXPuVDQ+vUZ2tKPaGHegESHIyKC1t7zFwAv4wS0Vf2YYOuvlL2SlOb8DTBrk1 R3qkOZk0iKrpd4Y3kzNY9nk6teFaEBv6oWHB0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.153.5 with SMTP id a5mr9439028ybe.170.1248636568818; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:29:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1D496EEA3DC24D80B7BB41DE5FAB20EB@Silver> References: <1D496EEA3DC24D80B7BB41DE5FAB20EB@Silver> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:29:28 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70907261229k798570e3m5bb7ddc6c9a45f3e@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ July 14 - 26 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d234.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Markus, Thank you for the captures and the 'grabber' it is a great help in determining propagation. WD2XGJ QRT tonight due to lightning activity. -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 6:24 AM, Markus Vester wrote: > Hello Warren, > > here's an assembly of recent receptions of WD2XGJ in Nuernberg. > > Kind regards, > Markus, DF6NM > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (rly-dc10.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.39]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC084-b474a5cf8a6ad; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:29:28 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC103-b474a5cf8a6ad; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:29:12 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MQpXl-00046a-If for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:28:09 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MQpXi-00046R-Jp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:28:06 +0100 Received: from smtp133.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.107.116]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MQpXf-0001Mc-7B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:28:03 +0100 Received: (qmail 50350 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2009 21:27:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=pjzXLFktRn8JKZsxAg+ki/StzSvwlS3yPBlpA2ePM/5vaVggF33MKjnp++lb/wcNOexEQk83U5P0lA7LR3XEHqVKJmWtdAqNJzVYFwX+c5VYMnMjft5kETF2HIcFViYBblkK3YbZbV2CzmqHFw/GnQJ8j/YOCf/Rx5O+j8RUR0A= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lindavideo) (ken.h.wright@86.140.224.132 with login) by smtp133.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 21:27:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: APVNTmmswBB1ajQe0.MR1eIpHqOdoGKpEnK7HtPhl2t5AIcci3nTdw-- X-YMail-OSG: VouyEycVM1lU6aMZsxh.nji5LATxjaytwgEX_5I3gpVknEFBnxAIkeq22FLmLz57_0nJEj2yaKHQ137w4SazbDdX2cIcp71S9KbVb2pvyzmsyFVkEvIzwRblYURyanaGJdNwxQjbYAaiPWx1MetJ0ssSMCQ67lz842VY8PX27STICmpSXXHIbelTyiWCciHuwXMGJr_h_s.Mwd3wsKpXNqMPam.L2fjYlmyoMmvuhKVKH0F1LKerEPmJolaOm883OK3p3OvSYnaqq2iMkBDU12c7gc0Rx38FYrRPG9DMno.LzxbaAFnuSdv0T.wIwxJxAkJFS9mRHqiTeLr8MTMGcKdqxLOw.Zl45z0a7N0t X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <330FD012C06148C5A348EDA5928E5CA5@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <1EDB89E6D3E24E008B4897CFE896A09F@lindavideo> <000301ca04b9$3fdbc9f0$0217aac0@jimdesk> <59B43DAF72704927B6E58971E3B9D56A@lindavideo> <000e01ca04bd$5b441900$0217aac0@jimdesk> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:27:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: RE: Microwave oven transformers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01CA04D2.542C40B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.3 required=5.0 tests=EXCUSE_16,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, HTML_60_70,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CA04D2.542C40B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim. Ok Jim. I took your comments in good faith, once you get in the realms= of 2KV one does need to be very careful. I will keep you posted with= progress, the first task is to have the PA working with 1200V, then= move on to 2KV. Regards Ken 73deM0KHW =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: James Cowburn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 8:57 PM Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: Microwave oven transformers Sorry Ken,=20 =20 I did not mean to trivialize or be facetious but microwave transform= ers do have a reputation for biting. I will refrain from further obvi= ous comments!! J =20 =20 With best regards =20 =20 Jim =20 =20 Dr. James Cowburn 26 Birch Close Broom Biggleswade Beds SG18 9NR =20 T +44 (0) 1767 600522 M+44 (0) 7967 300152 E james.cowburn@virgin.net =20 "The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom= it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged materi= al. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified tha= t you must not read this message. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking= of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entiti= es other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Consequently, thi= s email is not intended to be contractually binding. If you received this in error, please contact the sender, return the= message as well as its attachments and delete the whole from any comp= uter." =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Ken Sent: 14 July 2009 20:34 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: RE: Microwave oven transformers =20 Jim. There will probably be a fair bit of technical smoke comimg out of= Luton, but that is what our hobby is all about, any other usefull sug= estions? =20 Krgards. Ken 73deM0KHW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: James Cowburn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 8:28 PM Subject: LF: RE: Microwave oven transformers =20 Tesla Roulette!! =20 With best regards =20 =20 Jim =20 =20 Dr. James Cowburn 26 Birch Close Broom Biggleswade Beds SG18 9NR =20 T +44 (0) 1767 600522 M+44 (0) 7967 300152 E james.cowburn@virgin.net =20 "The information transmitted is intended only for the person to wh= om it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged mate= rial. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified= that you must not read this message. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taki= ng of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or enti= ties other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Consequently,= this email is not intended to be contractually binding. If you received this in error, please contact the sender, return= the message as well as its attachments and delete the whole from any= computer." =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_gro= up@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Ken Sent: 14 July 2009 20:22 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Microwave oven transformers =20 Hello everyone. Does any one have experience in using microwave oven transformers= in high voltage power units, I acquired two of these at the weekend.= I was informed that as they stand the voltage regulation is poor, to= improve this the 'Core Shunts' should be removed, (these are laminati= ons between the two stacks), removal of these 'shunts' also has the ef= fect of considerably increasing the magnetisation current. The solutio= n to this seems to be to use two transformers, connecting the both pri= maries and secondary's in series to restore the 2KV output voltage. =20 Any comments on this most welcome =20 Note for Mal, this is serious stuff not for appliance operators. =20 Regards Ken Wright =20 73 de M0KHW ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CA04D2.542C40B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jim.
Ok Jim. I took your comments in good= faith, once=20 you get in the realms of 2KV one does need to be very careful. I will= keep you=20 posted with progress, the first task is to have the PA working with 12= 00V, then=20 move on to 2KV.
Regards
Ken
 
73deM0KHW  
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009= 8:57=20 PM
Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: Micr= owave oven=20 transformers

Sorry= Ken,=20

&= nbsp;

I did= not mean to=20 trivialize or be facetious but microwave transformers do have a repu= tation for=20 biting.  I will refrain from further obvious comments!! = =20 J

&= nbsp;

&= nbsp;

With= best=20 regards

 

 

Jim

 

 

Dr. Ja= mes=20 Cowburn

26 Bir= ch=20 CloseBroom<= /SPAN><= /o:p>

Biggle= swade=

Beds

SG18= =20 9NR=

 

T +44= (0) 1767=20 600522

M+44= (0) 7967=20 300152

E james.cowburn@virgin.net=

 

=93The=20 information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it= is=20 addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material.= If you are=20 not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must no= t read=20 this message.
Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other= use of, or=20 taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons= or entities=20 other than the intended recipient is prohibited.  Consequently,= this=20 email is not intended to be contractually binding.
If you receive= d this in=20 error, please contact the sender, return the message as well as its= =20 attachments and delete the whole from any computer.=94=

 =

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From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org] On= Behalf Of Ken
= Sent: 14 July 2009 20:34
To: rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: RE: Microwave oven=20 transformers

 

Jim.

=

There will probably be a fair bit= =20 of technical smoke comimg out of Luton, but=20 that is what our hobby is all about, any other usefull=20 sugestions?

 

Krgards.=

Ken

<= /DIV>

73deM0KHW

----- Original Message -----= =20

Sent:=20 Tuesday, July 14, 2009 8:28 PM

Subject= : LF: RE:=20 Microwave oven transformers

 

Tes= la=20 Roulette!!

 

Wit= h best=20 regards

 =

 =

Jim

 =

 =

Dr.= James=20 Cowburn

26= Birch=20 Close

Bro= om<= o:p>

Big= gleswade

Bed= s

SG1= 8=20 9NR

 =

T= +44 (0) 1767=20 600522

M+4= 4 (0) 7967=20 300152

E= james.cowburn@virgin.net

 =

=93The=20 information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it= is=20 addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material.= If you=20 are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you= must not=20 read this message.
Any review, retransmission, dissemination or= other use=20 of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by= persons or=20 entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. =20 Consequently, this email is not intended to be contractually bindi= ng.
If=20 you received this in error, please contact the sender, return the= message as=20 well as its attachments and delete the whole from any=20 computer.=94

 

Fro= m:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o= rg=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org] Sent: 14 July 2009 20:22
To: rs= gb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Microwave oven=20 transformers

 

Hello=20 everyone.

Does any one have experience= in=20 using microwave oven transformers in high voltage power units, I= acquired=20 two of these at the weekend. I was informed that as they stand the= voltage=20 regulation is poor, to improve this the 'Core Shunts' should be re= moved,=20 (these are laminations between the two stacks), removal of these= 'shunts'=20 also has the effect of considerably increasing the magnetisation= current.=20 The solution to this seems to be to use two transformers, connecti= ng the=20 both primaries and secondary's in series to restore the 2KV output= =20 voltage.

 

Any comments on this most=20 welcome

 

Note for Mal, this is serious= =20 stuff not for appliance operators.

 

Regards

Ken=20 Wright

 

73 de=20 M0KHW

------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CA04D2.542C40B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md06.mx.aol.com (rly-md06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.144]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMD052-90f4a6362384a; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:13:40 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md06.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD067-90f4a6362384a; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:13:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MSar6-0002o2-K2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:11:24 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MSar6-0002nt-19 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:11:24 +0100 Received: from psmtp04.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MSar2-00032K-Rs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:11:22 +0100 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp04.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KN100JGYJUNQB@psmtp04.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:11:11 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:10:57 +0200 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <43D6D6F988DD4A538E957EC2AD60E036@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: AFJ 19-07.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_gzKtjcyJsrDhhSUJu5tpfA)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_gzKtjcyJsrDhhSUJu5tpfA) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ixM9N3BfwB+1+yomgLyRhA)" --Boundary_(ID_ixM9N3BfwB+1+yomgLyRhA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi J-P,LF strong signal Henny pa3cpm 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: AFJ 19-07.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijlagen worden afgehandeld. --Boundary_(ID_ixM9N3BfwB+1+yomgLyRhA) Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
Hi J-P,LF
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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:58:59 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MRBZ2-0002nK-55 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:58:58 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B33414C8103 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:58:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A594E4C809F for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:58:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A5E430A.7070200@online.fr> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:58:50 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <739698B75D344BD8A9819C8C0F1EDB80@ns94d01ae4d850> In-Reply-To: <739698B75D344BD8A9819C8C0F1EDB80@ns94d01ae4d850> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: f8boj signal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Claude , Henny , LF , Claude ton signal est monstrueux ici ! ( regardes sur le grabber ) Claude your signal is monstrous here! (look on the grabber) 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db02.mx.aol.com (rly-db02.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.77]) by air-db08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDB083-aac4a64566a2c3; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:35:19 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB022-aac4a64566a2c3; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:35:09 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MSr8V-0004TJ-8J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:34:27 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MSr8U-0004TA-To for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:34:26 +0100 Received: from mailout09.t-online.de ([194.25.134.84]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MSr8F-0005NL-CW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:34:11 +0100 Received: from fwd01.aul.t-online.de by mailout09.t-online.de with smtp id 1MSr8P-0003yK-00; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:34:21 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.22] (XRkaTBZf8hj1Ein5C2dBqKmFyuTz+aR9gDB1hTbkGnDOWxHF5z73zvrdmQMSwdkQ0+@[93.211.89.54]) by fwd01.t-online.de with esmtp id 1MSr82-1NLlAm0; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:33:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de References:<20541.82.92.124.189.1248088034.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To:<20541.82.92.124.189.1248088034.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> To: X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 6.08.0003 Date: 20 Jul 2009 11:33 GMT Message-ID: <1MSr82-1NLlAm0@fwd01.t-online.de> X-ID: XRkaTBZf8hj1Ein5C2dBqKmFyuTz+aR9gDB1hTbkGnDOWxHF5z73zvrdmQMSwdkQ0+ X-TOI-MSGID: 8a9f1e92-f24f-4180-8783-2644b3645a8c X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 504khz harmonic. Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear all, I guess I can conform this, because in eastern Bavaria I receive the 504 signal using an untuned wire loop followed by a preselector before the receiver. 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "Roelof Bakker" schrieb: > Hello Alan, Gary, > > The harmonic of RTE 252 on 504 kHz has been reported all over Westen > Europe on all kind of antennas as does not seem to be an antenna or > receiver anomaly. > > Best regards, > Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me06.mx.aol.com (rly-me06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.40]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINME042-9c04a4fe2d71d; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 19:16:55 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me06.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME064-9c04a4fe2d71d; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 19:16:41 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MNESP-0002Fp-PF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:15:45 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MNESP-0002Fg-7T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:15:45 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MNESN-0005j4-6g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:15:45 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3527.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id BCFBB1C00082 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 01:15:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.36.131]) by mwinf3527.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 39DFE1C00081 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 01:15:33 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090704231533237.39DFE1C00081@mwinf3527.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <6CC4F81069B34BCEB50DE9D509B7157B@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <908B19DF06BE4ECEB3A61470A89BEFA8@Black> <20090703100648.865C531E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <20090703113546.640D731E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <09DF43BF4A974C1D80DF9BC90E77B1E3@AGB> In-Reply-To: <09DF43BF4A974C1D80DF9BC90E77B1E3@AGB> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 00:15:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C9FD05.ACEE1E00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C9FD05.ACEE1E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the reports from this evening, A little problem with the rx at the start of the night at 1945 missed G3KEV and G3XIZ , and possibly two other stations called at the first cq ..lots of noise from the rx, doesn't always mean its actually working ....=20 , Gary for the grabber plot, looks like the 'new' parallel tuner is working=20 Rik, tnx for the dx report ,=20 73 - Graham .=20 From: Graham=20 Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 7:34 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT 4 july ROUND 1930 ONWARDS Operating on 502.00 khz cw ,=20 RX 502 kx +/- also rx on 3533 / 7033 cw - cross band =20 Possibly operating till round 2400 hrs=20 qsl GB4FPR@HOTMAIL.CO.UK=20 Reports welcome=20 Tnx- Graham=20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Thanks for the  reports from thi= s=20 evening,
 
A little problem with the  rx at=   the=20 start of the night at 1945
missed G3KEV and G3XIZ , and possibly= two other=20 stations called
at the  first cq ..lots of = noise from=20 the  rx, doesn't always
mean its actually  working ....=
 
 , Gary  for the  grab= ber plot,=20 looks like the 'new'
parallel tuner is working
 
Rik, tnx for the dx report , <= /DIV>
 
73 - Graham .
 
 
 

From: Graham
Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 7:34 PM
Subject: LF: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930=20 ONWARDS

 GB4FPR  502.00 KHZ TONIGHT=   4 july=20 ROUND 1930  ONWARDS
 
Operating on 502.00  khz cw ,
 
RX 502 kx +/-  also rx on = 3533 /=20 7033  cw -  cross band 
 
Possibly operating till  round&n= bsp; 2400 hrs=20
 
 
Reports welcome
 
Tnx- Graham
 
 
 
 

 


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------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C9FD05.ACEE1E00-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md09.mx.aol.com (rly-md09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.147]) by air-md07.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMD073-9274a6f58a8c7; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:59:54 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md09.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD097-9274a6f58a8c7; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:59:38 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MVso1-0001Fu-7I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 20:57:49 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MVso0-0001Fl-Qu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 20:57:48 +0100 Received: from mail-gx0-f216.google.com ([209.85.217.216]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MVsnw-0000dS-P7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 20:57:46 +0100 Received: by gxk12 with SMTP id 12so454881gxk.4 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:57:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4EvMBL53F1h1HNPkastwHlBjBiLmp8RHvXGvDI5SjuM=; b=TGSpEx/+AmP4cQtIoe7YpQLssLU6uJLZ0RlFmNR3IuRSh0cOMBzPRqOmiXjLWsHgLf HIYIZXTizq4clVjqeqq//oTO73Ipb+ahZVT3jYWslVl6o4/6KTtHwOPThcCiAQJyC1lK S1u7w9Y5xGrIr3cmxMGGLjUUlnALSAuJoUY/M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=lXOoiO7z1WnKgnXUa26g2YdrxscwYX0O5aSG7NdXZ+GTA9S5BzmYjDDMPZwOcgUy66 aWATfnVUiesed5szu4rGs3dtxxzVXtMpxe8ICH6QyKitpqtCQG7Au5rrg3luDSfnVd9O 0S/i16c+NWWx6MUOI4o3wK0IlK1wb+4/0zETY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.101.12 with SMTP id d12mr14045019ybm.267.1248811057800; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:57:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:57:37 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70907281257n52d8c1aaoe0bef46ee7f69dbc@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: WD2XSH Modification Granted Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d295.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) The FCC today granted the requested modification for the WD2XSH license, adding stations (there are now 42 vs 23 previously) and extending the band to 495-510 kHz, still 20W ERP, cw, and PSK/MSK up to 31 baud. However, the FCC declined the request for privileges to make two way contacts with foreign amateurs. -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/20 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (rly-dd09.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.156]) by air-dd05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDD053-b9e4a6c1f8b62; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 05:19:21 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD098-b9e4a6c1f8b62; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 05:19:09 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MUzrd-0004Fb-SR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 10:17:53 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MUzrd-0004FS-Dx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 10:17:53 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with 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local (Exim 4.14) id 1MQlWl-0003AR-2q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:10:51 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MQlWk-0003AI-Bz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:10:50 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MQlWh-0008Tc-0L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:10:49 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap4EAANZXEpOlrTr/2dsb2JhbACCVIIbiAsGxVOCPYFLBQ Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.180.235]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 18:10:41 +0100 Message-ID: <001d01ca04a6$040921b0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <001001ca046e$24db0e90$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:10:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: LF: Re: TM R836 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA04AE.65813E70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA04AE.65813E70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pin ID for the 19 pin socket would be a help, this would save me a lot= of tracing. The tubes are unusual and difficult to ID, hard wired int= o the cct board, covered with screening cans/clips. de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:30 AM Subject: LF: TM R836 TM or cct details for ARC R836/ARN, LF DF receiver 190 - 1750 khz ne= eded if anyone can help. It looks like it could be useful for 500 khzx= . 73 de mal/g3kev ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.13/2237 - Release Date: 07= /14/09 05:56:00 ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA04AE.65813E70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Pin ID for the 19 pin socket would be= a help, this=20 would save me a lot of tracing. The tubes are unusual and difficult&nb= sp;to ID,=20 hard wired into the cct board,  covered with screening=20 cans/clips.
de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009= 11:30=20 AM
Subject: LF: TM R836

TM or cct details for ARC R836/ARN,= LF DF=20 receiver 190 - 1750 khz needed if anyone can help. It looks like it= could be=20 useful for 500 khzx.
73 de mal/g3kev
 


No virus found in this incoming message.
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------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CA04AE.65813E70-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db07.mx.aol.com (rly-db07.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.82]) by air-db02.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDB022-ad94a6812d638; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 03:35:52 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB077-ad94a6812d638; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 03:35:52 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTsoa-0003rv-VL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 08:34:08 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTsoa-0003rm-Kj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 08:34:08 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTsoI-0007k1-Cc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 08:33:51 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04F164C8108 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:34:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F09BC4C80F3 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:33:59 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A681267.9010602@online.fr> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:33:59 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001ca0922$9cf3c580$6401a8c0@asus> <006501ca0926$8f4743e0$0900a8c0@AM> In-Reply-To: <006501ca0926$8f4743e0$0900a8c0@AM> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: [137kHz] T/A WD2XGJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Warren , LF , Just a small trace last night ! Or the propagation are very bad ? Or Warren forgot to bring PA ! Or perhaps spots of the sun of these last days 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf08.mx.aol.com (rly-mf08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.178]) by air-mf06.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMF064-9784a5c5ed1190; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:33:05 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF086-9784a5c5ed1190; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:32:51 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MQfHj-0002Ru-Ca for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:30:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MQfHi-0002Rl-Sq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:30:54 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MQfHY-0007QC-P3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:30:45 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhcFAMv6W0pOlrTr/2dsb2JhbACCJy2CG4R/gwkGwXeECAU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.180.235]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 11:30:44 +0100 Message-ID: <001001ca046e$24db0e90$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:30:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: TM R836 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA0476.8619F2E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA0476.8619F2E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable TM or cct details for ARC R836/ARN, LF DF receiver 190 - 1750 khz need= ed if anyone can help. It looks like it could be useful for 500 khzx. 73 de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA0476.8619F2E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
TM or cct details for ARC R836/ARN,= LF DF receiver=20 190 - 1750 khz needed if anyone can help. It looks like it could be us= eful for=20 500 khzx.
73 de mal/g3kev
 
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA0476.8619F2E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df02.mx.aol.com (rly-df02.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.15]) by air-df03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDF031-52e4a5723d7173; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:19:58 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF021-52e4a5723d7173; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:19:53 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MPE8G-0003vf-Q4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:19:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MPE8F-0003vW-7r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:19:11 +0100 Received: from mailex.atlas.pipex.net ([194.154.164.64]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPE88-0003AR-Mg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:19:05 +0100 Received: from [62.249.237.217] (helo=daddave) by mail10.atlas.pipex.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPE8C-0003SB-P3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:19:09 +0100 From: "Michael Probert GW4HXO" To: Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:18:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcoBSTBqBBMRh2HHRZGj9vm/syT68wABkXEg In-Reply-To: <001401ca0147$dc500d20$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Message-Id: Subject: RE: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Finbar, Maybe Mal has a point? Seems a bit odd that the MOD are going to jam= an important service for a couple of hours. Can you imagine it they jamm= ed TV for a day or two, would be nice! Best regards Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 10 July 2009 11:19 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Like I said when the big BANG comes the Appliance operator and his dat= a=20 gadgets will be rendered useless, whereas a Radio Amateur with his 2= valved=20 RX/TX, a morse key, a piece of wire for antenna and a pedal powered po= wer=20 source will communicate on. We all managed to commumicate and navigate this past 100 years without= these gadgets, unfortunately today the majority seem to be totally dependant= on=20 computers and associated data devices. These gadgets are handy but mak= e a=20 person LAZY and forgetful about how to write and operate CW as a tool= to=20 communicate. G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Dave Pick" To: Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 8:11 AM Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Perhaps we should encourage a Loran jamming excercise to prove that it isn't the un-jammable marvel that its cracked up to be? ;-) Dave G3YXM 2009/7/9 Dave G3WCB : > Hmmm... I can only see an electricity substation at that exact > location...the source will probably on Henley's Down or somewhere si= milar. > > It'll mess-up any GPS-disciplined beacons (LF or Microwave)for a few= =20 > hours! > > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Andy Talbot > Sent: 08 July 2009 22:36 > To: ukmicrowaves@yahoogroups.com; uk_beacons@yahoogroups.com; > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Fwd: Fw: Ofcom Update: Date Correction - Forthcoming GP= S > jamming exercises > > > The Lat/Long converts to: > Loc. JO00FV41 > NGR TQ723122 > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > --- On Wed, 8/7/09, Updates wrote: > > From: Updates > Subject: Ofcom Update: Date Correction - Forthcoming GPS jamming exe= rcises > To: > Date: Wednesday, 8 July, 2009, 11:14 AM > > The MoD has informed Ofcom of the following GPS jamming exercise: > > Dates: 14th and 15th October 2009. > > Times: Maximum of two hours between the times of 08:00-12:00 and > 13:30=9615:30 each day. > > Location: Within 1km of N50=B0 53.0=92 and E000=B0 27.0=92 (Bexhill,= East Sussex). > > Contact: Trial Manager (during the trial) on 07776 484226. > > ......................................................................= ..... > > > --=20 G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.9/2228 - Release Date: 07/09= /09=20 18:07:00 __________ NOD32 4231 (20090710) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de09.mx.aol.com (rly-de09.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.145]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDE042-4fe4a548709a5; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 07:46:43 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de09.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE093-4fe4a548709a5; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 07:46:21 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MOVam-0005X9-5k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:45:40 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MOVal-0005X0-Mt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:45:39 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.53]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MOVaj-0003p1-Pl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:45:39 +0100 X-Trace: 226371091/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.66.227/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.66.227 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjsFABMkVEpYakLj/2dsb2JhbACDK1eGdoNegSDAcgmDfwU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,368,1243810800"; d="scan'208";a="226371091" Received: from 88-106-66-227.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.66.227]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 08 Jul 2009 12:45:36 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:45:37 +0100 Message-ID: <001001c9ffc1$9cb7ec00$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: Acn/v6DlhbwTiE1JRDOiXCcCBZ9kOgAAHiwg X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: G4WGT Grabber Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Andy, LF, Thank you Andy, I was about to place an answer to David's query, his question has prompted me to add a little more info on the grabber page. Thanks to you both. Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot Sent: 08 July 2009 12:27 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: G4WGT Grabber The red one is my 503.7kHz beacon at the quarter hour + 4 minute intervals, using teh same Tx format as teh GB3RAL/WES/ORK beacons. Green abd blue slots are availalble for other beacons, black is teh background noise. Andy www.g4jnt.com 2009/7/7 : > In a message dated 07/07/2009 20:54:29 GMT Standard Time, > g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk writes: > > > > Please have a look & I will be interested in your comments. > > > > Looks good to me. Thanks for the resource. > > On the third plot, what are the green black blue and red traces? > > Thanks > > David From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (rly-mg04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.110]) by air-mg10.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMG101-a084a4b55c12b3; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 08:25:42 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG042-a084a4b55c12b3; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 08:25:40 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MLyrl-00068R-HD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:24:45 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MLyrl-00068I-3w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:24:45 +0100 Received: from mail-gx0-f227.google.com ([209.85.217.227]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MLyri-0001pO-S8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:24:45 +0100 Received: by gxk27 with SMTP id 27so1236839gxk.4 for ; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 05:24:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=GkqqmRIkkRkKlMKMaAg/i4yHOLbW5L1cIQV32l1/yVo=; b=MN08XdqodZXcAw1D0SEfElVk8MrUiIfw3I6tPd4shDJ0eielawsaO2YoNtSTa4qRG6 rC+Uu8uC58BwE2WsptbdhiJyqExRQFiYDxhajxBrdcq1HZqXiV7/fpYQBC00Nigx0TTE AmkEXiR2Z91Oc6QyXw4/WKAV2bslDPhDXW5oo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=R0E5qeJ55GL4HJlUQs5JPqqYO42Z1lQ14brYu1cwY2q71b1HjOrm+TauWEvqHqeDfj SG8bnBTIyGyiRaUUivvpUdTn0j9WdvY8Y4TRUWtl/m32icnkBRGrFrc30YQNv6kAr8JP klVgGM9bLKgIzabSEvMpmY0k3WbeAah4v7tHE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.39.4 with SMTP id d4mr2268674ibe.37.1246451075910; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 05:24:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A4B1D4D.9080405@online.fr> References: <78F2CD8B176D4B5C94B33006E7864019@ns94d01ae4d850> <4A4B1D4D.9080405@online.fr> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 08:24:35 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70907010524k43e707ffkae2899beea6d7523@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 01-07.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m228.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Henny, Jean-Pierre, Thank you for the reports and captures! --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:24 AM, "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 (F1AFJ)" wrote: > Hi Henny , Warren , > > Yes ! good copy of XGJ last night . > > 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj > > henny van elst a =E9crit : >> >> Hello Warren,LF, >> capture XGJ >> Henny pa3cpm >> best 73s >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (rly-mg01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.107]) by air-mg03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMG033-9f24a5ce389105; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:59:36 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG014-9f24a5ce389105; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:59:06 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MQo8d-0003i2-QN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:58:07 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MQo8d-0003ht-0F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:58:07 +0100 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MQo8P-0005JP-KI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:57:57 +0100 Received: from know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.2]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20090714195753.QLFS6742.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:57:53 +0100 Received: from [86.26.88.245] (helo=jimdesk) by know-smtpout-2.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MQo8N-0005ce-EW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:57:53 +0100 From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <1EDB89E6D3E24E008B4897CFE896A09F@lindavideo> <000301ca04b9$3fdbc9f0$0217aac0@jimdesk> <59B43DAF72704927B6E58971E3B9D56A@lindavideo> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:57:44 +0100 Message-ID: <000e01ca04bd$5b441900$0217aac0@jimdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AcoEujJuxVeEBP2RT5CMuiBwwES4ZAAAuHsg In-Reply-To: <59B43DAF72704927B6E58971E3B9D56A@lindavideo> X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=8RloEfZUAAAA:8 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=6ighMCG9WntCp6FJ5_gA:9 a=YkFBFXgTZF4zjdCl8tMA:7 a=StcWLl90zYq0asr_0bxvQzzQVIYA:4 a=O58u2wXj750A:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=D9kbpkrCpSrlXFOV:21 a=emymBknhcE7zMPsI:21 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=Q58WNEsbO_bUY3CUf2sA:9 a=p-3DS5EUBfp52BWGM3YA:7 a=_DIBCSJrmWSqq3r1GLIJ_K7cK6QA:4 a=KHr3HLUKDJYvNzt8:21 a=H_C9ZmxHpIMVQa-L:21 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.256,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: Microwave oven transformers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA04C5.BD088100" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=EXCUSE_16,HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA04C5.BD088100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry Ken, I did not mean to trivialize or be facetious but microwave transformers do have a reputation for biting. I will refrain from further obvious comments!! :-) With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn 26 Birch Close Broom Biggleswade Beds SG18 9NR T +44 (0) 1767 600522 M+44 (0) 7967 300152 E james.cowburn@virgin.net "The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must not read this message. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Consequently, this email is not intended to be contractually binding. If you received this in error, please contact the sender, return the message as well as its attachments and delete the whole from any computer." _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Ken Sent: 14 July 2009 20:34 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: RE: Microwave oven transformers Jim. There will probably be a fair bit of technical smoke comimg out of Luton, but that is what our hobby is all about, any other usefull sugestions? Krgards. Ken 73deM0KHW ----- Original Message ----- From: James Cowburn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 8:28 PM Subject: LF: RE: Microwave oven transformers Tesla Roulette!! With best regards Jim Dr. James Cowburn 26 Birch Close Broom Biggleswade Beds SG18 9NR T +44 (0) 1767 600522 M+44 (0) 7967 300152 E james.cowburn@virgin.net "The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you must not read this message. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Consequently, this email is not intended to be contractually binding. If you received this in error, please contact the sender, return the message as well as its attachments and delete the whole from any computer." _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Ken Sent: 14 July 2009 20:22 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Microwave oven transformers Hello everyone. Does any one have experience in using microwave oven transformers in high voltage power units, I acquired two of these at the weekend. I was informed that as they stand the voltage regulation is poor, to improve this the 'Core Shunts' should be removed, (these are laminations between the two stacks), removal of these 'shunts' also has the effect of considerably increasing the magnetisation current. The solution to this seems to be to use two transformers, connecting the both primaries and secondary's in series to restore the 2KV output voltage. Any comments on this most welcome Note for Mal, this is serious stuff not for appliance operators. Regards Ken Wright 73 de M0KHW ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA04C5.BD088100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sorry Ken,

 

I did not mean= to trivialize or be facetious but microwave transformers do have a reputation for biting.&= nbsp; I will refrain from further obvious comments!!  J

 

 

With best regar= ds

 

 

Jim=

 

 

Dr. James Cowbu= rn

26 Birch Close<= /span>=

Broom

Biggleswade

Beds

SG18 9NR=

 

T +44 (0) 1767= 600522

M+44 (0) 7967= 300152

E james.cowburn@virgin.net

 

<= span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;color:black;font-style:it= alic'>“The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain= confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient, you= are hereby notified that you must not read this message.
Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking= of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other= than the intended recipient is prohibited.  Consequently, this email is no= t intended to be contractually binding.
If you received this in error, please contact the sender, return the= message as well as its attachments and delete the whole from any computer.”=

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org [mailto:owner-= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: 14 July 2009 20:3= 4
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: RE: Mi= crowave oven transformers

 

Jim.

There will probably be a fair bit of te= chnical smoke comimg out of Luton, but that is what our= hobby is all about, any other usefull sugestions?

 

Krgards.

Ken

73deM0KHW

----- Original Message -----

Sent:= Tuesday, July 14, 2009 8:28 PM

Subject: LF: RE: Microwave oven transformers

 

Tesla Roulette!= !

 

With best regar= ds

 

 

Jim=

 

 

Dr. James Cowbu= rn

26 Birch Close<= /span>=

Broom

Biggleswade

Beds

SG18 9NR=

 

T +44 (0) 1767= 600522

M+44 (0) 7967= 300152

E james.cowburn@virgin.net

 

<= span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;color:black;font-style:it= alic'>“The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended= recipient, you are hereby notified that you must not read this message.
Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking= of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other= than the intended recipient is prohibited.  Consequently, this email is no= t intended to be contractually binding.
If you received this in error, please contact the sender, return the= message as well as its attachments and delete the whole from any computer.”=

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org [mailto:owner-= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: 14 July 2009 20:2= 2
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Microwave= oven transformers

 

Hello everyone.

Does any one have experience in using= microwave oven transformers in high voltage power units, I acquired two of these at= the weekend. I was informed that as they stand the voltage regulation is= poor, to improve this the 'Core Shunts' should be removed, (these are laminatio= ns between the two stacks), removal of these 'shunts' also has the effect= of considerably increasing the magnetisation current. The solution to thi= s seems to be to use two transformers, connecting the both primaries and secon= dary's in series to restore the 2KV output voltage.

 

Any comments on this most welcome

 

Note for Mal, this is serious stuff not= for appliance operators.

 

Regards

Ken Wright

 

73 de M0KHW

------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA04C5.BD088100-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb05.mx.aol.com (rly-mb05.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.163]) by air-mb06.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMB064-d0c4a5228522b9; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:37:50 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb05.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB058-d0c4a5228522b9; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:37:41 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MNrAk-0000fI-AE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:36:06 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MNrAj-0000f9-Do for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:36:05 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MNrAh-00029e-7Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:36:05 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuYEAHHDUUpZ8h+r/2dsb2JhbACCJi6CFId/BsIggkCBUgU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.242.31.171]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 06 Jul 2009 17:35:51 +0100 Message-ID: <003501c9fe57$d2e5dfa0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <001401c9fc9c$938f2760$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <006b01c9fd86$2acc8020$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 17:35:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mc Coy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01C9FE60.330DD5B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C9FE60.330DD5B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mark As u say it does not move much only a few Hz. This is a pity because= it would make a nice osc for mf divided down. tnx for ur observations de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 8:54 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Mc Coy Mal, no problem, the info is indeed a bit limited about the Hz/V for the= adjustment. The data sheet seems to suggest that the control voltage is capable= of modulating the oscillator, which implies a fast slew rate. This is= not particularly good if you intend to just use the oscillator as a= fixed frequency source. It means you must filter the control voltage= better.=20 Of course using the source at low frequencies, none of the issues of= this type of source will manifest themselves significantly, but it is= probable that the performance of a microwave local oscillator locked= to one of these may be a bit noisy. To better understand the unit's characteristics, measure the frequen= cy at extremes of the control voltage range. That is about all the inf= ormation that is missing. most oscillators of this type have a fairly limited tuning range, so= you may find pulling the unit to your desired frequency on 500KHz is= not possible. To reach 505 KHz the oscillator must pull to 10.1MHz,= which is a large excursion for oscillators of this type 10 Hz in 10= MHz is 1ppm. 100KHz in 10 MHz is 10,000 PPM=20 Regards mark ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 4:35 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Mc Coy Mark Osc fired up and working fb. I was looking for more detailed info= about ctl voltages ie V versus Freq. This unit is marked 10Mhz when= supplied with 5V ctl voltage, and this is spot on with 6v TTL output. 73 de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 1:37 PM Subject: LF: Re: Mc Coy 30 sec search on the internet http://www.datasheetarchive.com/pdf-datasheets/Datasheets-110/DS= AP004237.pdf Mark ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 12:42 PM Subject: LF: Mc Coy Hi all Does anyone have data for Mc Coy electronics XTAL OSCILLATOR= MC137X7-001W 10.000 MHz SN72758-126 This is a module and requires +5v, +15v sealed unit but has an= adjuster and I expect the osc can be shifted slightly, but enough to= be useful for 500 Khz divided down. 73 mal/g3kev ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Hi Mark
As u say it does not move much only= a few Hz. This=20 is a pity because it would make a nice osc for mf divided down.=
tnx for ur observations
de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mark
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009= 8:54 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Mc= Coy

Mal,
no problem, the info is indeed a bi= t limited=20 about the Hz/V for the adjustment.
The data sheet seems to suggest tha= t the=20 control voltage is capable of modulating the oscillator, which impli= es=20 a fast slew rate. This is not particularly good if you intend= to=20 just use the oscillator as a fixed frequency source. It means= you must=20 filter the control voltage better.
Of course using the source at low= frequencies,=20 none of the issues of this type of source will manifest themselves= =20 significantly, but it is probable that the performance of a microwav= e local=20 oscillator locked to one of these may be a bit noisy.
To better understand the unit'= s=20 characteristics, measure the frequency at extremes of the control vo= ltage=20 range. That is about all the information that is missing.
most oscillators of this type have= a fairly=20 limited tuning range, so you may find pulling the unit to your desir= ed=20 frequency on 500KHz is not possible.   To reach 505= KHz the=20 oscillator must pull to 10.1MHz, which is a large excursion for osci= llators of=20 this type 10 Hz in 10 MHz is 1ppm. 100KHz in 10 MHz  is 10,000= PPM=20
 
Regards
mark
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009= 4:35=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: Mc Coy=

Mark
Osc fired up and working fb. I wa= s looking for=20 more detailed info about ctl voltages ie V versus Freq. This= unit is=20 marked 10Mhz when supplied with 5V ctl voltage, and this is spot= on with 6v=20 TTL output.
73 de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mark
Sent: Saturday, July 04,= 2009 1:37=20 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Mc Coy

30 sec search on the internet
Mark
----- Original Message -----=
From:=20 mal=20 hamilton
To: rsgb
Sent: Saturday, July 04= , 2009 12:42=20 PM
Subject: LF: Mc Coy

Hi all
Does anyone have data for Mc= Coy=20 electronics XTAL OSCILLATOR MC137X7-001W 10.000 MHz
SN72758-126
This is a module and requires= +5v, +15v=20 sealed unit but has an adjuster and I expect the osc can be sh= ifted=20 slightly, but enough to be useful for 500 Khz divided down.
73 mal/g3kev
 


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------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C9FE60.330DD5B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db07.mx.aol.com (rly-db07.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.82]) by air-db04.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDB044-ad44a5064351d6; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 04:28:55 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB072-ad44a5064351d6; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 04:28:39 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MNN4i-0004pE-RD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:27:52 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MNN4i-0004p5-Fo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:27:52 +0100 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MNN4g-0001lX-NY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:27:51 +0100 Received: (qmail 28650 invoked by uid 507); 5 Jul 2009 10:27:40 +0200 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 10:27:40 +0200 Message-ID: <200907051027430187.0906DDAA@smtp2.numeo.fr> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:27:43 +0200 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: 137kHz F8BOJ 40 to 50 dB above noise Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 At 0826z. John F5VLF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (rly-dc09.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.38]) by air-dc01.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC011-b3e4a5df3b42ab; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:20:28 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC092-b3e4a5df3b42ab; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:20:23 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MR6Fd-00072Q-Tw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:18:33 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MR6Fd-00072H-HL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:18:33 +0100 Received: from smtp803.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.63]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MR6FS-0005VT-BA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:18:22 +0100 Received: (qmail 60076 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2009 15:18:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:x-mimeole; b=pa39F3XmRO/Nec4zcXcI+sxmmTgzFQC3Dllep5pjhay/CByj2JFBBQpyqe30Wu6vVXRidA0DAXLtkXDv+XbkYHFDEV2s3WcdDCZo5aSKupM8zwI38sf05gPtlb17DxvkBQTZLpeRLGCJjeznNUTbqQr4xAYEbibeRUxcyAjO4+w= ; Received: from unknown (HELO fred) (c.ashby435@86.135.178.126 with login) by smtp803.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 15:18:25 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: 9STUSnaswBBSd6nO_2gAC20jmYlWRjmg8d5iYd8s.rl181aR6Sw- X-YMail-OSG: YGRPJpkVM1m0r6P8k8yhlH25Xou5IRrCLKXPfuIBRgqKw_eiO5uvbhq7OIy4CA0lU_VDUUB977KXMmDZti2ABTptrU9dKDyMdtXe4islnf8Sx1bIuhJ20rchYzfVsfHOal_DloFbfplMXUVi8j2pJ_elZjSgCJv8PtHGNXE1DIBkKQ8AEnfHQQpiomhY90cg.mkpH5CVDy652xbaK68rBfKzgght_ch9lLauPoopnQmYIOgiUupog7ebmuQZ X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <003d01ca055f$a8bd7120$0201a8c0@home> From: "Chris" To: "RSGB LF Group" Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:19:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500KHz Signal Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01CA0568.0A0C5B00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01CA0568.0A0C5B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Been getting good copy, S7, of M0FMT on 500KHz this afternoon. Regular= bursts of 'test' and short CQs. Sorry, no NOV, so can't get back to you. My Rx IC718, ant. is homebrew mini active whip @ 30'. Vy 73, Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent, (JO01MI). ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01CA0568.0A0C5B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Been getting good copy, S7, of M0FMT= on 500KHz this=20 afternoon. Regular bursts of 'test' and short CQs.
Sorry, no NOV, so can't get back to= =20 you.
My Rx IC718, ant. is homebrew mini ac= tive whip @=20 30'.
Vy 73,
Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent,=20 (JO01MI).
------=_NextPart_000_003A_01CA0568.0A0C5B00-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg06.mx.aol.com (rly-dg06.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.90]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDG054-5cf4a644a031b3; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:42:29 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg06.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG062-5cf4a644a031b3; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:42:13 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MSqIm-00045x-Ol for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:41:00 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MSqIm-00045o-7t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:41:00 +0100 Received: from smtp805.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.65]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MSqIi-0000Pt-E9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:40:58 +0100 Received: (qmail 36955 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2009 10:40:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=xOvZ7qhBZXOMr7Eg9dbaMOTB6KsBwGMrerV8ktZDTNB4sUMkNlHZzDHej+1+a1xLWczFVjSvZF9fIDZBBLJlnhRDmnBEmYXWloUbDt7psp57E07JqpfOzXme/EHjkx/WZOJqoI9NwI8FQPuvEKjVm4Xr/QxYVtngzlcousRSTjA= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Lark) (alan.melia@213.122.9.36 with login) by smtp805.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2009 10:40:50 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: KHdpK2OswBBXlm4uxknbEiS4uYdJoGknHN90u4K8__lTafnafZg- X-YMail-OSG: k5EOopkVM1kBckWb.dLQGMLyjX6q22TRGxqEkfRLajgh70xgkKpTZLMD52Y1mGqX5bgy_bufFVTafU_RRadMniVBOr03OI6S4ACy0P1k2JSuBAeEjH6TwbC_lzdFF0SVfimCziqJQc5ApCkEplLKB44RqWE1NTwfsm.Po_fzvyriHKngYzyIe2FGxK_Eo__8vJx..JWBkXP42Uu5Wf17jdTjULbbL8Tce.RL19JDjQrODAQJGXOzORLJ3cMbCGNjodc2YUpPxLAXii93puTFxLcZTP.Wx8aSrZ5VQVyRDnNMYlVLabZWk2HLg6ChHmswCfaalC4OhvYbfnw2O5bCu9lJh9v04I8KQYM._Za_rg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <006501ca0926$8f4743e0$0900a8c0@AM> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <000001ca0922$9cf3c580$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:40:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: 504khz harmonic. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Gary, the mini-whip is not bad but where you are located it could be the size of the 252 signal is producing some intermod/harmonics. Do you get the same effect on a wire, or passive antenna? I havent tried this but it may be possible to inprove the IMD performance by paralleling a pair of J310s in the miniwhip, at the expense of increased current drain. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF -RSGB LF Group" Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 11:12 AM Subject: LF: 504khz harmonic. > Hi All, > > > > Occasionally recently I have been seeing strange patterns around the > harmonic line received on my SpecLab grabbers on 504kHz from the broadcast > station at 252kHz. > > > > The patterns are not just seen using the Softrock SDR Rx but also with my > JRC NRD-345, the only common device is the Mini-Whip active antenna. > > > > I seem to remember some while ago comments on this LF Forum regarding that > station carrying out some experiments or tests involving digital data or > something similar. > > > > I wonder if this is an effect of those tests as there were concerns that it > may cause interference on the 500kHz amateur band. > > > > Capture attached. > > > > 73, > > > > Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO. > > > > > I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. > It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter > p&url=freespamfilter> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (rly-dc04.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.33]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC024-b194a6cae0f11c; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:27:22 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC045-b194a6cae0f11c; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:27:12 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MV9M7-0005el-HO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:25:59 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MV9M7-0005ec-24 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:25:59 +0100 Received: from mail-gx0-f221.google.com ([209.85.217.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MV9Ll-0005r4-PT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:25:38 +0100 Received: by gxk21 with SMTP id 21so4768275gxk.4 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:25:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=oe0kB51n/gdztQnr8J+bo0ptQss59B2EC3MxYwhHRsw=; b=NyT2rVHQNfqECbBTRShzRjM/7uP/D5mm+i2aHOP12s7cj5WWIPcwfb04hyWfh2F63Z 7Ctm40Q0aGUVuxvqzSwdedN/8EMNRmwqssRJDYYAHRu4664fisX/zUyJT9wciX/OARoq f+6kRYb9LzVWOtO/bz2NpDKjPTdzfOp3Ogu88= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=xTyvhga3Joy6w4wkO/xN1HhA25t/aNbHl3+XJquTIsa5CH6qDYf4YYHAL7XTBrDrXI LP/CApSOKKuZ88zkHKQFf8imNoaOtx5A/O+h3rVP/oMSYuDeBlHHrFVVlP+IPbhnor1H 9Gm/Px7uqh7NORdmRhhajNxJgLeA/DluMAEDM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.58.7 with SMTP id g7mr9441702yba.271.1248636348364; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:25:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A6C1F37.1050603@online.fr> References: <4A6C1F37.1050603@online.fr> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:25:48 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70907261225v78e708b3q658daf20b11d47d7@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 26-07.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m284.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Thank you Henny and Jean-Pierre! --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 5:17 AM, "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 (F1AFJ)" wrote: > Hi Henny , Warren , > > Yes , good copy last night of =A0"XGJ" beacon > > 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj > > henny van elst a =E9crit : >> >> Hi Warren,Lf >> capture xgj >> henny pa3cpm >> 73s >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (rly-mf04.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.174]) by air-mf03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMF032-9564a4b12644c; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 03:38:27 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF044-9564a4b12644c; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 03:38:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MLuNS-0005Q8-BL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 08:37:10 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MLuNR-0005Pz-Sf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 08:37:09 +0100 Received: from psmtp31.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.33]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MLuNO-0004Bd-VD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 08:37:09 +0100 Received: from ns94d01ae4d850 (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp31.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0KM300MMHEHOET@psmtp31.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 09:37:01 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 09:35:57 +0200 From: henny van elst To: blacksheep Message-id: <78F2CD8B176D4B5C94B33006E7864019@ns94d01ae4d850> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: XGJ 01-07.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_RVrpYJSPPGL0T6Wxbk2gLA)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --Boundary_(ID_RVrpYJSPPGL0T6Wxbk2gLA) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_b0hzI/9GH+UmhDKPqo/ptA)" --Boundary_(ID_b0hzI/9GH+UmhDKPqo/ptA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello Warren,LF, capture XGJ Henny pa3cpm best 73s Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden: XGJ 01-07.jpg Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. 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Hello Warren,LF,
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best 73s
Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzonden:
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------=_NextPart_000_0025_01CA0082.78FC4E70-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da05.mx.aol.com (rly-da05.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.79]) by air-da10.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDA104-a6f4a6785ea11; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:34:57 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da05.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA057-a6f4a6785ea11; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:34:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTjRS-0003Ay-4U for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:33:38 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTjRR-0003Ap-90 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:33:37 +0100 Received: from smtp811.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.71]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTjRN-0000Qy-6u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:33:35 +0100 Received: (qmail 26457 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2009 21:33:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=DVIGOLQq0vFAgD/W2ZXO+oXjNvD7pmUluFUNhjgBr8vI3DVk2T0GrKrWfEFaNY00822QFLD072uYlccF6Ob1tBWqVgCe5wzHz63oUklHZCg+9RIpPsETUlqP4snvWc6WKRpm7a0ov2eBdnXQt+f30w/1K6Q2epgvr6esjI8aeUA= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.176.84.128 with login) by smtp811.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2009 21:33:27 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: IxKF.1MVM1l79Qibqc7PuveQMWYVmFiUaKjeu0mlFp8mRLeKewt0uxoon2wQoypA6.TYsJBCutq3exRkioJ2x4up5bhGp5KIH1QjG5j0_lHmUhPlLlSbAZDQF5e0.ijn4_U1t2wl8L2mg7ZGlcB9lH35_b3DHp1I7zJ1pWBqm3NvhYhcA5DlFxwFa3auvpXCULJO70RSFRG81JMhd8yzMy0DrFrp1BUafmTl9lejmVfuxF8DwEnIDPYA5kUpgP2ukoP8Iajn.kpa2mapwxQwO61vLJn75raoLD.igcEWtwaqPd0GSbdQBmgXTkzKeTqE0NfhfVZui1.9bndW5w-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <9DC81BDAB5CF49D8BB66CF0F3868CC6F@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <1MTPIE-2555Oq0@fwd08.t-online.de> <4A674683.1000301@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <4A674683.1000301@usa.net> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:33:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Loop (was Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?) Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear LF Group, Since I have used several designs of loop antennas almost exclusively for 136k and 500k reception, here are some thoughts:- For small VLF - MF RX loops, the available signal power from the loop depends mostly on the area of the loop and the unloaded Q of the loop (the shape, and in multi-turn loops the distributed capacitance have some smaller effect too). You get maximum power delivered to the receiver when the loaded Q with the receiver connected is 1/2 the unloaded Q. This happens when the impedance connected to the loop has a resistive component equal to the loss resistance, and a capacitive reactance equal to the inductive reactance of the loop, i.e. resonance and conjugate match. To a first approximation, the number of turns does not affect the signal power level, only the design of the impedance matching. With very small area loops you want to try to achieve conjugate matching in order to maximise sensitivity. But with relatively large area loops (of the order of 1 square metre or more), and a suitable low-noise receiver or preamp, etc. you can get enough signal so that band noise is the limiting factor even with quite a large mismatch. In particular, mismatching to reduce the Q increases the bandwidth, which is often very useful. At LF/MF, it is usually possible to make preamps whose noise level is either below the band noise, or below the thermal noise level generated by the loss resistance of the loop, so the loop itself is normally the limiting factor. With several square metres area, you can get ample signal level without bothering to tune to resonance, and have really wideband loop antennas. The EMF induced in a given loop is proportional to frequency, so the output decreases at low frequencies, but since the band noise level increases at low frequencies, this isn't usually a problem How many turns the loop has is largely a matter of convenience for the tuning and impedance-matching point of view. The traditional high-Q loop has many turns so that it can be tuned to resonance with available variable capacitors; also the resulting high parallel resistance gives a low noise figure when connected directly to a valve input stage, although this is not so much of an advantage these days. There are several disadvantages , such as being easily de-tuned, susceptible to capacitive noise pick-up, requires remote tuning, mechanically complicated. Small single-turn tuned loops have the drawback of requiring a large tuning capacitor. For instance, my 136k, 1m^2 "bandpass loop" design has a 0.4uF tuning capacitance. But since a fairly narrow band is to be covered, the tuning is fixed, and the loaded Q is quite low this isn't really a problem, and the loop is a simple square of tubing that is not significantly de-tuned even if laid on the ground. As has been pointed out, you can add a 1:n step-up transformer to a single-turn loop, and the combination essentially behaves as a n turn loop, with loop EMF increased by a factor n and resistance/inductance n^2 times that of the loop element itself, so this is a flexible way of getting the impedance/inductance level you want. The transformer will add some loss resistance, but usually this can be made small enough not to make much difference. Also, the transformer winding inductance will be effectively shunted in parallel with the transformed loop inductance, and a small leakage inductance appear in series. In Alberto's case, with a single-turn winding through the core, the problem is likely to be getting sufficient primary inductance. You would want to choose a core where a single turn has a relatively large inductance compared to the inductance of the loop, i.e. with AL >> loop inductance. Small single turn loops have inductance of the order of a few uH - this requires quite a large core in high permeability material, or several stacked smaller cores. Or you could incorporate the shunt inductance into the circuit design. It would be harder to optimise the transformer design if you are restricted to a single turn primary, which might cause problems if you were trying to make a high Q design. Some people have made quite large, high Q tuned loops - the main justification for this would seem to be to get a large signal output so that a receiver with poor sensitivity can be used directly without a preamp. The high loop Q helps to prevent the RX being overloaded by out-of-band signals. The same result could be achieved with a small/wideband loop with a suitable preamp/preselector. A large area wire loop can be connected directly to a low-impedance receiver input with reasonable results as a wideband antenna- or a considerable improvement in matching can be obtained using a wideband transformer as PA0RDT and DJ1ZB have done. The loop inductance can be incorporated as part of a filter/matching network, as I have done in the "bandpass loop" designs. Low-pass designs are also quite feasible - I am currently using 4 x 5m single-turn wire loops incorporating low-pass filters matched to 50ohms, with cut off frequencies around 550kHz to reduce the local broadcast signals. These give plenty of signal over the 10 - 550kHz range without re-tuning. Small loops have the advantage that they are easier to re-position away from noise sources. At LF , mains wiring seems to be a potent source of H-field noise, so it is often essential to experiment to find the best location. The height above ground, or the presence of trees and buildings has little effect on the signal level. Whether the loop is big or small, narrow- or wideband, it has the same figure-of-eight pattern, so the nulls can be used to reject local or distant QRM. Unless your real estate is big enough for LF phased arrays, the loop is the only feasible LF directional antenna. At M0BMU, 500kHz reception would currently be almost impossible without loops due to wideband QRM radiated by the broadcast stations. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alberto di Bene" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 6:04 PM Subject: Re: LF: Loop (was Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?) >I would like especially to comment on using a one > winding loop combined with a step-up transformer:I am interested in > knowing opinions about using the loop itself as > a primary of the transformer, as in this picture (heavily compressed > to stay into the size limits). Here it is a three-turn loop, but it could > be a single turn one, as discussed. > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da01.mx.aol.com (rly-da01.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.75]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDA032-a4b4a6b80af375; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 18:01:38 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA013-a4b4a6b80af375; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 18:01:21 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MUpGv-00020j-M7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:59:17 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MUpGv-00020a-4s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:59:17 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MUpGa-000873-Kj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:58:57 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3537.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4BA0E1C00085 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 23:59:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.14.184]) by mwinf3537.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id F21401C00082 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 23:59:07 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090725215907992.F21401C00082@mwinf3537.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <6DD2DE4E26DF43B6B1FAFDAF8F9AEAC9@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <003701ca0c8f$19049db0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <57a24ca70907241213ua177757w6eb23a564dcfa4a0@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:58:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Apollo contingency modes , beep beep ! Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 That's page 247 in the adobe reader page counter -------------------------------------------------- From: "Graham" Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 7:38 PM To: Subject: LF: Apollo contingency modes , beep beep ! > > Check, Page 247 , Para 3 , contingency modes > > Not the just the road runner beeping in those days ! > > http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/NASA-SP-87.pdf > > G ,, > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.29/2261 - Release Date: 07/25/09 > 05:58:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db05.mx.aol.com (rly-db05.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.80]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDB011-ac94a65dab81aa; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:12:08 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db05.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB057-ac94a65dab81aa; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:11:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTGzB-00085E-Vh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:10:33 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTGzB-000855-JD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:10:33 +0100 Received: from mta41.charter.net ([216.33.127.83]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTGyu-0006vx-L1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:10:17 +0100 Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.10]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.01.00 201-2219-108-20080618) with ESMTP id <20090721151005.XQOV9620.mta41.charter.net@imp10> for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:10:05 -0400 Received: from mp07 ([209.225.8.237]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id JfA41c00S56r1kp05fA4gb; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:10:04 -0400 Message-ID: <20090721111004.NESLM.2165994.root@mp07> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:10:04 -0400 From: To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70907210620v6f208cf2t898ce58cab2e9776@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 64.206.3.50 by ssomail.charter.net; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:10:04 -0400 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: Loop (was Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Just to add a little more information on LF transmitting loops: Paralleling conductors is usually more effective than creating a multi-turn loop. The extra copper loss from another turn can easily negate the increase in field strength from that turn. With paralleled conductors, keep them separated so that the current will flow over the complete outer surface of each conductor. 10cm spacing seems reasonable as a minimum. My experience is limited to a single-conductor loop, and 500 watts transmitter output. I've had two experiences with tree fires. Both were caused by my earlier method of running the lower leg of the loop through PVC fittings at each tree. Long screws through the fittings provided sharp edges to scrape insulation and increase the voltage gradient between the screw and the wire. I have long since switched to porcelain insulators for the lower supports, with no trouble. All other contacts with the trees are directly between the wire and the tree. I do worry about a lot of insulation damage done last winter during and after an ice storm, but thus far there have been no issues. Major starting difficulties are the voltage and current ratings of tuning capacitors and coupling transformers. Your senses of touch and smell will help in knowing if you have succeeded! While the voltages and currents can be accurately calculated in advance, you may have limited information on the components, particularly the current rating of capacitors. In general, think big. And just one random thought on multi-turn receiving loops: As Jim Moritz has pointed out a number of times, a loop of N turns can be quite nicely replaced by a loop of one turn and an N step-up transformer. A one-turn loop is easier to construct, and may provide a wider tuning range. John, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da10.mx.aol.com (rly-da10.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.84]) by air-da05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDA054-a944a6a082aaa; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:15:07 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da10.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA104-a944a6a082aaa; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:14:51 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MUQDN-00009B-TV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:13:57 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MUQDN-000091-Dc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:13:57 +0100 Received: from mail-yx0-f177.google.com ([209.85.210.177]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MUQD3-000781-Qq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:13:38 +0100 Received: by yxe7 with SMTP id 7so3172759yxe.16 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:13:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=7ICdEtg/AqYcsxCxFr0Xp1b+Uc/heo0dO5d6jx68AWU=; b=k+UX9t5ABtiNkBSiwukZx0w6PSxh1xss828yXuGvRNFkGRb8TBQqoex2mo9Bio9mBa v+hm0Jijgbe5RFjBgOIIIRmp9t8dFj8PyWs5DRmsjAd1xAgUuFqkVyCKGYXotxEFw5gf nIDgOW2WLT5BisEy83eCPTauHjte+GPykcTRk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=PfytR/F/8tIGdOcU3+WY68bxdbCvXDLpRn4MK6XRnJ79z048aCQA9uAJd/JxAIyvUt Bu+x9bgPuPoFzVzkrnCOJgjV9sqZ6Dy4nqZC9y7CM9qNNZdqzcI65ujOUhOFZ42y9R3U llCsIPc8WuVO/fphz7ohJcQYF/dsSccJgutGU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.150.21 with SMTP id x21mr6065014ybd.165.1248462827006; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:13:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <003701ca0c8f$19049db0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> References: <003701ca0c8f$19049db0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:13:46 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70907241213ua177757w6eb23a564dcfa4a0@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: UPS psu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d240.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) I usually get UPS for free from the dump - many times they are thrown out when all they need is new batteries. --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 2:46 PM, mal hamilton wrote= : > I just bought several UPS units. These make good psu's for LF/MF fet > transmitters etc Depending on model these make ideal=A0psu's for fet LF/= MF > transmitters delivering from 12v to 60v at several=A0 amps. They have th= e > added advantage because of the batteries of delivering power even when= the > mains goes off, at least enough to finish a qso. They can also be used= as > battery chargers. The 230v outputs could also be handy, this is of cours= e > what they=A0were intended to do. My models are POWERSURE=A0some deliveri= ng up to > 1400 watts. > 73 mal/g3kev > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me09.mx.aol.com (rly-me09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.43]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINME044-9d84a6b215374; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 11:14:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me09.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME094-9d84a6b215374; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 11:14:28 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MUivt-0001XT-UA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 16:13:09 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MUivt-0001XK-Gz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 16:13:09 +0100 Received: from mail-gx0-f221.google.com ([209.85.217.221]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MUivp-0005LW-3s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 16:13:07 +0100 Received: by gxk21 with SMTP id 21so3970691gxk.4 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:12:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=E/RqiCkXNW1pV/1YYiVGJWW4iNDUdJV5iMYMx3b+WN4=; b=J6QAtLkY6OHIkPxZm05YBaDExnJn2gYOSWU/XyYP23FcZMfyoKfZfNMFJGH3iwzKkz lR6lKNscdd40Au1e9wa66EluHJlM+U5IoMsNcVXGx3/TonzdmgvV0D+l7mkHOCI2P23B jEWFdoyfFlgMybSPaYPSCD4rSueskp88ej4EU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ajU144DDGgdp4IoBKjGnoaLmMeU08PKY33buWI8nRlYw+yVT/peZGn7IGMipdKa2b3 gqeIYKP33L6fvubWGcABygOkw6USeLc+ym5zuFTweSlInF4u8z/ArnzbIzCP8/oTQNfy TMSZyuUCqd0IdkZVUwEsIGWr+07c2V9CuY3Bo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.145.2 with SMTP id x2mr7586338ybn.93.1248534778660; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:12:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 11:12:58 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70907250812g7601e278w6ad9822384500e57@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 25-07.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d293.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Thank you Henny for the capture! -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2009/7/25 henny van elst : > Hello Warren,Lf > strong signal XGJ, > Henny pa3cpm > best 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > XGJ 25-07.jpg > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db01.mx.aol.com (rly-db01.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.76]) by air-db10.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDB102-aa34a59c977312; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 07:31:16 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB011-aa34a59c977312; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 07:31:06 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MPxFy-0004ra-SI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:30:10 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MPxFy-0004rR-BH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:30:10 +0100 Received: from smtp22.services.sfr.fr ([93.17.128.11]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPxFq-0002Iz-1C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:30:02 +0100 Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2206.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id CBDEA7000086 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 13:29:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from euro7g1ku6dl5q (59.219.197-77.rev.gaoland.net [77.197.219.59]) by msfrf2206.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 756627000083 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 13:29:58 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20090712112958480.756627000083@msfrf2206.sfr.fr Message-ID: <001001ca02e4$1756e450$0201a8c0@euro7g1ku6dl5q> From: "Claude Berthebaud" To: References: Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 13:29:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090711-0, 11/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=0.64,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: F8BOJ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA02F4.DA7B7440" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_10, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA02F4.DA7B7440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello everyone=20 Thank you Nicolas for excellent control .. I received the beautiful qs= l ... I hasten to answer them ... all good Sunday Claude f8boj ----- Original Message -----=20 From: F4DTL@aol.com=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 12:39 PM Subject: LF: F8BOJ Hello Claude your reception this morning with an old receiver Telefu= nken ELK639. Have you received my QSL card last week ? F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA02F4.DA7B7440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello everyo= ne
Thank you=20 Nicolas for excellent control .. I received the beautiful qsl ... I ha= sten to=20 answer them ... all good Sunday
Claude= =20 f8boj
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009= 12:39=20 PM
Subject: LF: F8BOJ

Hello Claude your reception this morning with an old receiver= Telefunken=20 ELK639.
 
Have you received my QSL card last week ?
 
 
= F4DTL Nicolas=20 JN18FP

------=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA02F4.DA7B7440-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma04.mx.aol.com (rly-ma04.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.48]) by air-ma09.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMA092-8a54a5078572d3; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 05:54:39 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA047-8a54a5078572d3; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 05:54:33 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MNOQ2-0005Yh-Oh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:53:58 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MNOQ2-0005YY-9A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:53:58 +0100 Received: from smtp23.services.sfr.fr ([93.17.128.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MNOPz-0006GI-CL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:53:58 +0100 Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2326.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0A9B07000086 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:53:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from euro7g1ku6dl5q (67.228.197-77.rev.gaoland.net [77.197.228.67]) by msfrf2326.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with SMTP id B46687000091 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:53:49 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20090705095349739.B46687000091@msfrf2326.sfr.fr Message-ID: <002001c9fd56$7fb62cb0$0201a8c0@euro7g1ku6dl5q> From: "Claude Berthebaud" To: References: Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:53:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090704-0, 04/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 137kHz F8BOJ 40 to 50 dB above noise Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C9FD67.42F52270" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C9FD67.42F52270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Nicolas and the group=20 Thank you poiur your steps on my signal I have a bit of work to comple= te the station antenna on the side ..=20 Good end of weekend to all=20 Claude f8boj ----- Original Message -----=20 From: F4DTL@aol.com=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 11:06 AM Subject: Re: LF: 137kHz F8BOJ 40 to 50 dB above noise Hello Claude,solid 25 dB over the noise here (measure with SPM3 50= Ohms) Very strong and clear signal.Very FB. F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP RX : WG SPM3 Ant: Miniwhip PA0RDT http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/ ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C9FD67.42F52270 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Nicola= s and the group=20
Thank you poiur your steps on my signal I have a bit of work to co= mplete the=20 station antenna on the side ..
Good end of weekend to all
Clau= de=20 f8boj
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009= 11:06=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: 137kHz F8BOJ= 40 to 50 dB=20 above noise

Hello Claude,solid 25 dB over the noise here (measure with= SPM3 50=20 Ohms)
Very strong and clear signal.Very FB.
 
 
F4DTL=20 Nicolas JN18FP

RX : WG SPM3
Ant:=20 Miniwhip PA0RDT

http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/
 ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C9FD67.42F52270-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (rly-mg04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.110]) by air-mg03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMG034-a0c4a71f0463a1; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:11:07 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG046-a0c4a71f0463a1; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:11:05 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MWb0z-0006gs-74 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:10:09 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MWb0y-0006gj-OG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:10:08 +0100 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MWb0Z-00069z-TQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:09:44 +0100 Received: (qmail 2233 invoked by uid 507); 30 Jul 2009 21:09:43 +0200 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2009 21:09:43 +0200 Message-ID: <200907302109560042.00920B92@smtp2.numeo.fr> In-Reply-To: <003801ca1055$4d80c630$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> References: <57a24ca70907281257n52d8c1aaoe0bef46ee7f69dbc@mail.gmail.com> <003801ca1055$4d80c630$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:09:56 +0200 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: WD2XSH Modification Granted Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On 29/07/2009 at 15:03 mal hamilton wrote: >The UK should qualify for two way ie 52nd STATE >G3KEV As in 48 States, 3 Commonwealths and the District of Columbia? How are you= getting on with the EU States? John F5VLF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma10.mx.aol.com (rly-ma10.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.54]) by air-ma04.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMA043-8d14a51c6ab3b8; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:41:10 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma10.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA103-8d14a51c6ab3b8; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:41:00 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MNkgO-0008O8-Oo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:40:20 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MNkgO-0008Nz-Cd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:40:20 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MNkgM-0007Xr-Am for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:40:20 +0100 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D110C4C807F for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 11:40:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (cha86-1-82-247-200-10.fbx.proxad.net [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C12EF4C813C for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 11:40:12 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A51C67B.1090001@online.fr> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 11:40:11 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: AFJ 06-07.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Tnx Henny , 73 J-P f1afj henny van elst a =E9crit : > Hi Jean-Pierre,LF > Strong signal and nice capture, > Henny pa3cpm > Best 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden verzo= nden: > AFJ 06-07.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virusse= n het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. Contr= oleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe bijl= agen worden afgehandeld. > > =20 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db05.mx.aol.com (rly-db05.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.80]) by air-db03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDB034-ac94a67914c29b; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:23:12 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db05.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB057-ac94a67914c29b; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:23:10 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTkCE-0003Jf-R7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:21:58 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTkCE-0003JW-BU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:21:58 +0100 Received: from mta21.charter.net ([216.33.127.81]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTkBw-0003IO-EU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:21:41 +0100 Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.01.00 201-2219-108-20080618) with ESMTP id <20090722222129.ENTX3344.mta21.charter.net@imp11> for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:21:29 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([66.189.74.84]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id KAMV1c00D1p78xe05AMVd5; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:21:29 -0400 Message-ID: <4A6790E9.5050103@charter.net> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:21:29 -0400 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1MTcEO-1SeuiO0@fwd10.t-online.de> In-Reply-To: <1MTcEO-1SeuiO0@fwd10.t-online.de> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Loop (was Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Ha-Jo, I wasn't making a comment on your setup -- just pointing out some options for others who might want a tuned, single turn loop. No offense intended! John, W1TAG hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de wrote: > Dear John, > > I am sorry, but I do not see your problems. I do NOT tune my loop. The > loop is feeding a transformer, its secondary is connected to a cable > into the shack to the receiver or the preselector. The inductivity of From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (rly-dc03.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.32]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC024-b0d4a5e47023a7; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:16:01 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC031-b0d4a5e47023a7; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:15:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MRBoR-0000jM-0b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:14:51 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MRBoQ-0000jD-Fo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:14:50 +0100 Received: from smtp804.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.64]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MRBoN-0002t6-2u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:14:49 +0100 Received: (qmail 57235 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2009 21:14:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=u7XYJrIgTpzRftEEVMVV29hlXHX0vx8Iz+M7mY/+x32VEr2pdGlh15SFudeDl3mHikyZjiEQ35QHfBcp15RSlis+aQyPUG22P/8NDVrhrFqAzbIfQNlE8pcvQoQJwg8wg7RsoSTAYfi8TjD2LKEYv2kEG7h1sHPj+UYYHe2aLak= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Lark) (alan.melia@213.122.37.207 with login) by smtp804.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 21:14:40 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: KHdpK2OswBBXlm4uxknbEiS4uYdJoGknHN90u4K8__lTafnafZg- X-YMail-OSG: tJIVXHMVM1niD8v75VbNETaU0IH7vW8UmQfgjWWslEdcw5vW52FjFqFn9QFt3KFhLwhAMHhUsbgu.rTPSNDTG.u4IF3BFLWwNnHZiYnKWy4I.y321lGSp3yKJpeffFFmMkYlXc6UUyfn9stFf9whLU970tpRJs7DfGGn3UpSfw_AfwHa7QK1l1xoth2g8slMn4TF2NPTwbc2YAgr45VTkaN8J0L5KvcKtyDYZpQwrqLP6izPIrLhpE2d2u8NLVPzQAxUCG_igWnW9BWZk27jyRqx_CK.3MaaRIOK_B.Veq2aYjoqbSONc6y7DJNWVzXECLOYnObzCBk- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <009a01ca0591$50cba2c0$0900a8c0@AM> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <003501ca0554$292717a0$0900a8c0@AM> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:59:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Ken yes I appreciate the usage. I was a little concerned that if the transformer was not designed for that kind of use it might not necessarily have sufficent insulation from that end of the winding to ground to survive the different stresses of of bridge rectifier. However Bob says he has been using one like that for years so I guess they must have been conservatively designed. I have had problems with transformers parallel primaries and series secondaries ( a common way of getting high voltages for valves ....in my youth :-)) ) breaking down under the voltage stress. I have several transformers I salvaged from MOs and I now feel a lot happier about their use in HV PSUs. In the 50s.60s I was brought up with thick insulation and porcelain standoffs :-)) An interesting thread. Best Wishes Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 7:04 PM Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers > Hi Alan. > The earthy end of the HV winding should be lifted from earth, and a fullwave > bridge used . > > Ken > 73 de M0KHW > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Melia" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:57 PM > Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers > > > > Hi all, I am very please to see not everyone sticks to a 12 volt maximum > > supply voltage > > :-)) > > > > One though that occurs to me is that if one side of the MO transformer is > > grounded in oven service........one ought to check that the winding as a > > whole is sufficiently well insulated from ground to stand floating 2kV > > above > > ground. There may not be the same clearance /insulation on the grounded > > end > > of the secondary as the intended high-voltage end?? On the other hand it > > might be quite OK. I have a certain cynicism about "consumer designs". > > > > Alan G3NYK > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:34 PM > > Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers > > > > > > These special transformers need the magnetic bypass because a magnetron > > looks (as a load) like a Z diode. > > So they are powered, more or less, with a constant current source rather > > than a constant voltage source. > > > > In other words, the "generator" (transformer) must have a large source > > impedance, and that's what the magnetic bypass in the 'former does. > > > > Cheers, > > Wolf . > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (rly-mg07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.113]) by air-mg09.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMG091-a204a64c6a9146; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:34:06 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG072-a204a64c6a9146; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:34:04 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MSybp-0005Zc-5k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:33:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MSybo-0005ZT-RE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:33:12 +0100 Received: from smtp-vbr16.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.36]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MSybZ-0007vr-2j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:32:57 +0100 Received: from pc1 (ndb.demon.nl [82.161.81.65]) by smtp-vbr16.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n6KJX7ZF066901 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:33:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:32:52 -0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Roelof Bakker" MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <12821.82.161.81.65.1248110576.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <57a24ca70907201227t5333113bj2ffd4b82c1d1d783@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70907201227t5333113bj2ffd4b82c1d1d783@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.63 (Win32) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: IC7200 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Warren, Thanks again. This is the info I have been looking for. It looks not too bad, say from 200 kHz up. 73, Roelof, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-de01.mx.aol.com (rly-de01.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.137]) by air-de06.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDE061-4b04a65e08029d; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:36:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE015-4b04a65e08029d; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:36:33 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTHNR-0008FF-28 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:35:37 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTHNQ-0008F6-5U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:35:36 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.245] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTHNM-00040b-A9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:35:34 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ar0EAIZ9ZUpcHCup/2dsb2JhbACCJy2CG4gbBsVlhAwF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([92.28.43.169]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2009 16:35:24 +0100 Message-ID: <003601ca0a18$dd7e1140$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:35:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01CA0A21.3EB10EB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CA0A21.3EB10EB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MF GRP Apart from having a few in the junk box is there any advantage over a= similar spec FET, ie reliability esp class E de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dave G3WCB=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 11:18 PM Subject: RE: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? Jeff, Rik, Markus, Mouser GB sells the STGW30NC60WD IGBT, at =A33-60 each. See the link= below. You can download a data sheet from the same site. http://gb.mouser.com/search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=3DbbdZqDPQhEUJJb0Z= 4VAXWQ=3D=3D Farnell UK also sell them:- http://uk.farnell.com/stmicroelectronics/stgw30nc60wd/igbt-to-247/dp= /1293659 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_gro= up@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of F6CWN Sent: 20 July 2009 23:02 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? Hello Markus and Rick! I have only just acquainted myself with your messages. (Just going out from hospital, big blood pressure problem...) Thanks a lot for precious information, of what make fun still! I recovered some ferrites N87 types which should work in 137 KHZ. Another subject interests me, it is the possibility of transmittin= g with a big spool of several turns (a bit as WD2XDW). But EIRP is muc= h weaker than with a vertical aerial, then it is necessary to "push mo= re" in power! VY 73: Jeff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Strobbe=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 10:07 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? Jeff, Marcus, STGW30NC60WD has a turnoff delay of 120ns. Turn on delay and ris= e / fall times are better than 30ns. That should be good enough for 137kHz, maybe even for 500kHz. It further has a max. Collector-Emitter Voltage of 600V, max. Co= llector Current of 60A (200A pulsed), max.. dissipation of 200W and a= saturation voltage of 2V (@20A). Looks like a good "workhorse" for those who want to experiment= with IGBT's. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 22:05 26/06/2009, you wrote: Dear Jeff, =20 havn't actually tried it myself on 137 kHz. But from past expe= rience I'd say that while IGBTs may have less DC loss, they are much= slower (especially during turnoff). They can be used as effient switc= hes at some tens of kHz, whereas MOSFETs will easily go up to several= MHz. =20 Kind regards, Markus, DF6NM =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: F6CWN=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:37 PM Subject: LF: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? Good night to all, =20 Anybody would have any experience on the use of IGBT in 136= KHz amplifiers? Thanks in advance! 73: Jeff / F6CWN=20 =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.20/2250 - Release Date: 07= /20/09 06:16:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CA0A21.3EB10EB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
MF GRP
Apart from having a few in the junk= box is there=20 any advantage over a similar spec FET, ie reliability esp class E
de mal/g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dave G3WCB
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009= 11:18=20 PM
Subject: RE: LF: Re: IGBT in= 136 KHz=20 TX?

Jeff, Rik, Markus,
 
Mouser GB sells the STGW30NC60WD=20 IGBT, at =A33-60 each. See the link below. You can download= a data=20 sheet from the same site.
 
 
Farnell UK also sell them:-
 
 
 
73,=20 Dave G3WCB IO91RM
-----Original Message-----
From:= =20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of=20 F6CWN
Sent: 20 July 2009 23:02
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT= in 136 KHz=20 TX?

Hello Markus and Rick!
 
I have only just acquainted mysel= f with your=20 messages.
(Just going out from hospital, big blood pressure=20 problem...)
Thanks a lot for precious informa= tion, of what=20 make fun still!
I recovered some ferrites N87 typ= es which=20 should work in 137 KHZ.
Another subject interests me, it= is the=20 possibility of transmitting with a big spool of several turns (a= bit as=20 WD2XDW). But EIRP is much weaker than with a vertical aerial,= then it=20 is necessary to "push more"  in power!
 
VY 73: Jeff
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rik Strobbe
Sent: Friday, July 03, 20= 09 10:07=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT= in 136 KHz=20 TX?

Jeff, Marcus,

STGW30NC60WD has a turnoff= delay of=20 120ns. Turn on delay and rise / fall times are better than 30ns.=
That=20 should be good enough for 137kHz, maybe even for 500kHz.
It= further has=20 a max. Collector-Emitter Voltage of 600V, max. Co= llector=20 Current of 60A (200A pulsed), max.. dissipation of 200W and a sa= turation=20 voltage of 2V (@20A).
Looks like a good "workhorse" fo= r those=20 who want to experiment with IGBT's.

73, Rik  ON7YD= -=20 OR7T


At 22:05 26/06/2009, you wrote:
= Dear=20 Jeff,
 
havn't actually tried= it myself=20 on 137 kHz. But from past experience I'd say that while IGBTs= may have=20 less DC loss, they are much slower (especially during turnoff)= . They can=20 be used as effient switches at some tens of kHz, whereas MOSFE= Ts will=20 easily go up to several MHz.
 
Kind=20 regards,
Markus, DF6NM
 
----- Original Message -----
From: F6CWN=
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:37 PM
Subject: LF: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?

Good night to all,

 =20
Anybody would have any experience on the= use of IGBT=20 in 136 KHz amplifiers?
Thanks in advance!
73: Jeff / F6CWN

 


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I was a little concerned that if > > the > > transformer was not designed for that kind of use it might not > > necessarily > > have sufficent insulation from that end of the winding to ground to > > survive > > the different stresses of of bridge rectifier. However Bob says he > > has been > > using one like that for years so I guess they must have been > > conservatively > > designed. I have had problems with transformers parallel primaries > > and > > series secondaries ( a common way of getting high voltages for > > valves ....in > > my youth :-)) ) breaking down under the voltage stress. I have > > several > > transformers I salvaged from MOs and I now feel a lot happier about > > their > > I was able to mount a porcelain stand off at the same hole the ground lug > was mounted to ,, I think I then added a gob of clear silicon from the > local > hardware store,,, was surprised that it held up,, but it did > > Bob K3DJC > > > > use in HV PSUs. In the 50s.60s I was brought up with thick > > insulation and > > porcelain standoffs :-)) > > > > An interesting thread. > > Best Wishes > > Alan G3NYK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (rly-dc08.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.37]) by air-dc05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC053-b394a69ba9d3a8; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 09:44:04 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC085-b394a69ba9d3a8; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 09:43:59 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MUL3A-0007li-5M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:43:04 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MUL39-0007lZ-Nh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:43:03 +0100 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MUL36-0001he-7B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:43:01 +0100 Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20090724134254.OANC6611.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:42:54 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.33] (really [82.22.242.113]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20090724134254.VKHQ2093.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.33]> for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:42:54 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:42:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4A69C868.11151.6019324@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: References: <57a24ca70907210620v6f208cf2t898ce58cab2e9776@mail.gmail.com>, X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=P0qRVOV6AAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=iH6NlncXsSVLPqEgv5EA:9 a=nGr_bb6eR2shQbErTBn5yq033HoA:4 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Eclipse Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On 21 Jul 2009 at 20:02, Laurence BY3A-KL1X China wrote: > Off topic but just had a solar eclipse here - just taken on my > Blackberry. > http://kl1x.com/eclipsejuly2209teda.jpg - didnt have the LF radio on > this time. Newer members of this group may be interested in the LF radio tests done during the European solar eclipse in 1999. See: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mike.dennison/index/lf/gallery/eclipse.ht m Mike, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (rly-ma07.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.51]) by air-ma02.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMA024-8be4a677ee858; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:05:27 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA078-8be4a677ee858; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:04:41 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTixo-00032t-Jq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:03:00 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTixn-00032k-Mk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:02:59 +0100 Received: from mailout02.t-online.de ([194.25.134.17]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTixj-0000Gw-Gs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:02:57 +0100 Received: from fwd00.aul.t-online.de by mailout02.t-online.de with smtp id 1MTixi-00019l-01; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:02:54 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.22] (G-rPWrZFZhiVmETB+g+E0ZIxEId++0AFxFsGpQWD7pLa1-xHW5vj0GEHmQUDJFQZEx@[93.211.76.73]) by fwd00.t-online.de with esmtp id 1MTixd-0cGXyK0; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:02:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de To: X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 6.08.0003 Date: 22 Jul 2009 21:02 GMT Message-ID: <1MTixd-0cGXyK0@fwd00.t-online.de> X-ID: G-rPWrZFZhiVmETB+g+E0ZIxEId++0AFxFsGpQWD7pLa1-xHW5vj0GEHmQUDJFQZEx X-TOI-MSGID: c32f5fdf-a69f-4a9e-90a6-a87ad561f89a X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=0.93,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Loop discussion Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="__Next_1248296554_Part20__" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME,WEIRD_QUOTING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --__Next_1248296554_Part20__ Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit Dear Alberto, until now I have used the rule that the primary of such a loop transformer should have the same inductivity as the loop itself. In the design used in the picture I feel that the inductivity of the "primary" can be controlled by the AL value of the ferrite only. This may result in less freedom in the design. But I do not have any practial experience so far, and to answer your question I had to build the two transformer variations and test them. I would not dear to answer merely by theoretical considerations. OK? 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "Alberto di Bene" schrieb: I would like especially to comment on using a one winding loop combined with a step-up transformer: I am interested in knowing opinions about using the loop itself as a primary of the transformer, as in this picture (heavily compressed to stay into the size limits). Here it is a three-turn loop, but it could be a single turn one, as discussed. 73 Alberto I2PHD --__Next_1248296554_Part20__ Content-Type: Multipart/Related; Boundary="__Next_1248296554_Part18__"; type="text/html" --__Next_1248296554_Part18__ Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit T-Online eMail Dear Alberto,

until now I have used the rule that the primary of such a loop transformer should have the same inductivity as the loop itself.

In the design used in the picture I feel that the inductivity of the "primary" can be controlled by the AL value of the ferrite only. This may result in less freedom in the design.

But I do not have any practial experience so far, and to answer your question I had to build the two transformer variations and test them. I would not dear to answer merely by theoretical considerations.

OK?

73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB 


"Alberto di Bene" <dibene@usa.net> schrieb: 
I would like especially to comment on using a one 
winding loop combined with a step-up transformer:
I am interested in knowing opinions about using the loop itself as
a primary of the transformer, as in this picture (heavily compressed
to stay into the size limits). Here it is a three-turn loop, but it could
be a single turn one, as discussed.

73  Alberto  I2PHD


 
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The earthy end of the HV winding should be lifted from earth, and a fullwave bridge used . Ken 73 de M0KHW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Melia" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:57 PM Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers > Hi all, I am very please to see not everyone sticks to a 12 volt maximum > supply voltage > :-)) > > One though that occurs to me is that if one side of the MO transformer is > grounded in oven service........one ought to check that the winding as a > whole is sufficiently well insulated from ground to stand floating 2kV > above > ground. There may not be the same clearance /insulation on the grounded > end > of the secondary as the intended high-voltage end?? On the other hand it > might be quite OK. I have a certain cynicism about "consumer designs". > > Alan G3NYK > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:34 PM > Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers > > > These special transformers need the magnetic bypass because a magnetron > looks (as a load) like a Z diode. > So they are powered, more or less, with a constant current source rather > than a constant voltage source. > > In other words, the "generator" (transformer) must have a large source > impedance, and that's what the magnetic bypass in the 'former does. > > Cheers, > Wolf . > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma03.mx.aol.com (rly-ma03.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.47]) by air-ma01.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMA012-89b4a62d61b3c4; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 04:15:33 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA035-89b4a62d61b3c4; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 04:15:25 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MSRWv-0002Bj-JX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:13:57 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MSRWu-0002Ba-Sy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:13:56 +0100 Received: from smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com ([195.200.78.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MSRWr-0007Xt-63 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:13:55 +0100 Received: (qmail 3002 invoked by uid 507); 19 Jul 2009 10:13:39 +0200 Received: from unknown (HELO JR) (john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2009 10:13:39 +0200 Message-ID: <200907191013410054.0AE685B7@smtp2.numeo.fr> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:13:41 +0200 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: F8BOJ 30-40dB over noise on 137 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 At 1006z. F5VLF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd08.mx.aol.com (rly-dd08.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.155]) by air-dd07.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDD071-b904a69d6c322b; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:44:27 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD082-b904a69d6c322b; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:44:05 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MUMv4-0008AK-PV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:42:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MUMv4-0008AB-CV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:42:50 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.244] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MUMul-0004JZ-2S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:42:31 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmQFAHdyaUpOls1f/2dsb2JhbACCJS+CG4UFgyAGx2uEDQU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.150.205.95]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2009 16:42:39 +0100 Message-ID: <002b01ca0c75$5fe8a6f0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:42:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: LOOPS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA0C7D.C1254150" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA0C7D.C1254150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My RX LOOP is VERTICAL with a perimeter length of 850 feet total. I ha= ve not noticed any static built up or flashing regardless of wx. The= height is 100 feet, however the TX 1/4 wave inv L up at 100 feet with= 2 elevated radials about 7 feet above ground does flash across the co= ax plug when disconnected from the TX. under certain atmospheric condx= . This loop works well on both LF and MF and is parallel tuned for res= onance on the appropriate band. A so called horizontal loop is probably not desireable on LF/MF its is= just a large capacitor gathering static. de mal/g3kev ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA0C7D.C1254150 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My RX LOOP is VERTICAL with a perimet= er=20 length of 850 feet total. I have not noticed any static built up= or=20 flashing regardless of wx. The height is 100 feet, however the TX 1/4&= nbsp;wave=20 inv L up at 100 feet with 2 elevated radials about 7 feet above ground= does=20 flash across the coax plug when disconnected from the TX. under= =20 certain atmospheric condx. This loop works well on both LF and MF= and is=20 parallel tuned for resonance on the appropriate band.
A so called horizontal loop is probab= ly not=20 desireable on LF/MF its is just a large capacitor gathering static.
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------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CA0C7D.C1254150-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df01.mx.aol.com (rly-df01.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.14]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDF084-5264a5dfa24135; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:47:53 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF013-5264a5dfa24135; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:47:50 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MR6hA-0007Ni-Lf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:47:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MR6hA-0007NZ-9e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:47:00 +0100 Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com ([64.136.55.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MR6gy-000640-8K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:46:49 +0100 X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m03.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABFF58QJAAFEXTA for (sender ); Wed, 15 Jul 2009 08:46:16 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: yokUgcxCbtTP7XLrpefewNBQFsbdNq/HB49/fsZlo5yld2uBBi8CQQ== Received: (from riese-k3djc@juno.com) by m03.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PMH8GX8G; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 08:45:16 PDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:44:18 -0400 Message-ID: <20090715.114419.120.0.riese-k3djc@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.49 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-15,17,19-62 From: riese-k3djc@juno.com X-ContentStamp: 23:11:4281526217 X-MAIL-INFO:2f157db905100d9031e9849190a51910b0e5c0492049b0e1c921e4a961943dd500f15125d475c90d511db1d035fded1465a41559e424417df41d9445ed54c411382585f02111457db514853911d9e1016004 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.vgs.untd.com|riese-k3djc@juno.com X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:57:11 +0100 "Alan Melia" writes: > Hi all, I am very please to see not everyone sticks to a 12 volt > maximum > supply voltage > :-)) > > One though that occurs to me is that if one side of the MO > transformer is > grounded in oven service........one ought to check that the winding > as a > whole is sufficiently well insulated from ground to stand floating > 2kV above > ground. The one I use in DC service has the ground end lifted. I have had no problems using this in a supply for my 2 meter amp. I series 2 for my Tesla coil and have had no problems either,,, I do find that it is amazing that they hold up well just keep one hand in your pocket when messing about the shunts do something to limit current and removing is a simple process,, they make for a very good H V supply transformer Bob K3DJC There may not be the same clearance /insulation on the > grounded end > of the secondary as the intended high-voltage end?? On the other > hand it > might be quite OK. I have a certain cynicism about "consumer > designs". > > Alan G3NYK > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:34 PM > Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers > > > These special transformers need the magnetic bypass because a > magnetron > looks (as a load) like a Z diode. > So they are powered, more or less, with a constant current source > rather > than a constant voltage source. > > In other words, the "generator" (transformer) must have a large > source > impedance, and that's what the magnetic bypass in the 'former does. > > Cheers, > Wolf . > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTDvmSSjbrNHSYJPGSy9kAhb573ZR02rTzJdHeySxW4dn7ddwp4z4U/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (rly-dg11.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.95]) by air-dg07.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDG071-6004a6c775a181; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 11:33:54 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg11.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG111-6004a6c775a181; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 11:33:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MV5hy-0004vH-Qe for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:32:18 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MV5hy-0004v8-AK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:32:18 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc3-s24.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.224]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MV5hp-0001q7-Em for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:32:15 +0100 Received: from BAY101-W28 ([64.4.56.128]) by bay0-omc3-s24.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 26 Jul 2009 08:31:57 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 17:31:57 +0200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <57a24ca70907250812g7601e278w6ad9822384500e57@mail.gmail.com> References: <57a24ca70907250812g7601e278w6ad9822384500e57@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2009 15:31:57.0952 (UTC) FILETIME=[36721800:01CA0E06] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_72ea5da1-b7d4-4f95-9687-ec8d64a6e420_" Subject: RE: LF: XGJ 25-07.jpg X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_72ea5da1-b7d4-4f95-9687-ec8d64a6e420_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Warren! There were a lot of storms and lightnings in the last weeks. As I can see= on internet, the "storm situation" is good now, so I am going to start my= RX on 137.777kHz. Will be your beacon ON this night? 73! Lubos, OK2BVG ****************************** > Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 11:12:58 -0400 > From: wd2xgj@gmail.com > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 25-07.jpg >=20 > Thank you Henny for the capture! > --=20 > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 >=20 >=20 >=20 > 2009/7/25 henny van elst : > > Hello Warren,Lf > > strong signal XGJ, > > Henny pa3cpm > > best 73s > > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > > verzonden: > > XGJ 25-07.jpg > > >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Ve slu=BEb=EC Windows Live m=F9=BEete uspo=F8=E1dat, upravit a sd=EDlet sv= =E9 fotografie. http://www.microsoft.com/cze/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gallery-ed= it.aspx=3D --_72ea5da1-b7d4-4f95-9687-ec8d64a6e420_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Warren!
There were a lot of storms and lightnings in the last wee= ks. As I can see on internet, the "storm situation" is good now, so I am= going to start my RX on 137.777kHz. Will be your beacon ON this night?
73!

Lubos, OK2BVG

******************************

> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 11:12:58 -0400
> From: wd2xgj@gmail= .com
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: LF: XGJ= 25-07.jpg
>
> Thank you Henny for the capture!
> -- > 73 Warren K2ORS
> WD2XGJ
> = WD2XSH/23
> WE2XEB/2
> = WE2XGR/1
>
>
>
> 2009/7/25 henny van elst <= cpm@planet.nl>:
> > Hello Warren,Lf
> > strong signal= XGJ,
> > Henny pa3cpm
> > best 73s
> > Het ber= icht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden
> >= verzonden:
> > XGJ 25-07.jpg
> >
>

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Klikni zde! =3D --_72ea5da1-b7d4-4f95-9687-ec8d64a6e420_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da02.mx.aol.com (rly-da02.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.76]) by air-da04.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDA041-a534a5e9bca27f; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:17:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA023-a534a5e9bca27f; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:17:31 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MRHRx-0002HS-W6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 04:16:01 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MRHRx-0002HJ-E3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 04:16:01 +0100 Received: from mail-yx0-f179.google.com ([209.85.210.179]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MRHRl-0001Zi-Nz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 04:15:50 +0100 Received: by yxe9 with SMTP id 9so6587244yxe.30 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:15:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=3+VyXQ8rHf3am6zvpLa//DgnDTfs/Q4fFuEZWBhnJ5M=; b=klM0E2oKIzUfiMFb+6y95c2Qv/JwvaiAB4xD5L/5o+hg6WIHaLrliNTfcSkVjGTsOZ rx0gGHALZGMKZ1jY7s6EL3B5naSaKDnNDw7hT75Xe6Lp289MT9Nltdg8EfpH/5IuGQCr wMs2N1q1X5+Ql6ZfUHRZOq56upmtNWlcG2bXU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Pt8tWisjbDCB4geP6UKlEARmsmVTidtEzBPrDG1zFGuWPvMDsgUyHc2uEgfxytl2HJ BVHGZPGA+lXsQX150oqlgVtThvNqqVFPvwwMCXwAuCf1FsiKLVRInAPeurLSoinnVnl7 Y71U+tH98ytOr3zxibJ2CAh8dya8b9xnND/qY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.158.10 with SMTP id g10mr13613371ybe.309.1247714151672; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:15:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A5E41D1.6090003@online.fr> References: <200907151729430361.091BDC4C@smtp2.numeo.fr> <000a01ca056e$0f4b3950$0201a8c0@euro7g1ku6dl5q> <4A5E41D1.6090003@online.fr> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:15:51 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70907152015x3a724e3frc853c7f6a7ff9638@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: Re: LF: LF T/A [137kHz] WD2XGJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d268.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Jean-Pierre, Thank you for the capture and the 'grabber'! --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 4:53 PM, "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 (F1AFJ)" wrote: > Hi Warren , LF , > > Good copy XGJ last night ( see capture ) > > 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (rly-dg01.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.85]) by air-dg05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDG053-5a04a5e48d92a5; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:23:44 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG015-5a04a5e48d92a5; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:23:39 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MRBw8-0000qN-Tk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:22:48 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MRBw8-0000qE-Fz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:22:48 +0100 Received: from smtp22.services.sfr.fr ([93.17.128.13]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MRBw5-0002xN-OS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:22:47 +0100 Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2214.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 570F97000088 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:22:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from euro7g1ku6dl5q (21.171.87-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.87.171.21]) by msfrf2214.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 0B17F7000086 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:22:37 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20090715212238455.0B17F7000086@msfrf2214.sfr.fr Message-ID: <001801ca0592$60be78a0$0201a8c0@euro7g1ku6dl5q> From: "Claude Berthebaud" To: References: <739698B75D344BD8A9819C8C0F1EDB80@ns94d01ae4d850> <4A5E430A.7070200@online.fr> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:22:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090715-0, 15/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: f8boj signal Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Good ivening JPierre and the group I just have a look I did not get so hard on irfp450 48v 5.5A and qrss= 60 in=20 here .. I really completes the boj J and I not to other occupations the test in qrss60 is very good...(.bonsoir JPierre) Good night all Claude F8BOJ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ""Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 (F1AFJ)"" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 10:58 PM Subject: Re: LF: f8boj signal > Hello Claude , Henny , LF , > > Claude ton signal est monstrueux ici ! ( regardes sur le grabber ) > Claude your signal is monstrous here! (look on the grabber) > > 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj > >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (rly-dg07.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.91]) by air-dg03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDG033-5db4a5dd4f415d; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:09:23 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG074-5db4a5dd4f415d; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:09:13 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MR4Bs-0005y3-KS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:06:32 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MR4Br-0005xu-JP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:06:31 +0100 Received: from smtp130.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.107.113]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MR4Bp-0006Cp-Mj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:06:30 +0100 Received: (qmail 40714 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2009 13:06:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=BFABaIFQucFIoCSHMH4750lAQOTGSDBlXE9yoM3XJZAOm5WSpOrxSWvkQ7L7WDRCuqy/aRgssO0+VDavwokEexjofIC1e/auA/Q3+QcBFKVpqtlCwht/k7jHFMWWKZnWSRJTAVkAZOt5QT8P9ZsaNhgJDASQDnPXTI/GTx+/rVY= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lindavideo) (ken.h.wright@86.140.224.132 with login) by smtp130.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 13:06:23 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: APVNTmmswBB1ajQe0.MR1eIpHqOdoGKpEnK7HtPhl2t5AIcci3nTdw-- X-YMail-OSG: 3d7ZnmMVM1lVgKPJ1IQAivk3LyVc.OUOTVY2BoSqZ6XDdwxuAGSFp2Rzsi8qVsH5lOcRouIolTWUNz7Z98cl8IpcFvRcWxNGAdVde1PCrXjGuoN28eZj8uC8Hj1dE8EeNJ7zNFJuqwhsTaX5F9e9cPhhVfQBILL5MWfTp7Ihz5iBccBu8YUXRL5RCKJioxHTLEIVStR9YwBbLt7ZsD32.pEBs1VH6OKJOotw0paL9sxz_IWUxUTCc2wedO0TGitZL.STHa8nfgBsvEEysi4VS0MddjHlO8w2XJ71UeWEU79.78PyRa23.ESgWFhZg6z__UkhAv2AqA.AtqHPQPvWpMGoqd0B9TP1fwhWidtE9w-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <37A679095FA44A62A6E423E17CB5DC63@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <7.0.1.0.1.20090715193731.01a75230@xtra.co.nz> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:06:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: LF: Re: Microwave oven transformers Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello All. This confirms my original posting that the magnatising current is greatly increased when the core shunts are removed, as previously stated use two with primaries in series, then lifting the earth connections on the seconary windings connect in series and make up a full wave bridge, not forgeting to put a resistor across each diode to equalise the voltages. Ken 73deM0KHW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda Hayes" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:35 AM Subject: LF: Microwave oven transformers > Hello all, > > I have recently done some tests on a pair of identical transformers > removed from two identical ovens. > Perhaps unfortunately, I removed the magnetic shunts before doing any > no-load testing. After half an hour, with 235V applied to the primary > windings and no secondary load, the iron was far too hot for comfort.. > At this stage, I measured the iron losses with an accurate wattmeter that > certainly takes account of the crummy power factor.. > At 50 watts apiece, for no-load losses, I had visions of cooling fans etc. > > My solution was to wire a double-wound 230/32V [150VA] transformer in > step-down "auto" style to feed the ex-microwave transformer primaries. > This step-down transformer showed negligible iron loss of 4W or so. With > a new primary voltage of 200, the standing iron loss dropped to around 30W > per ex-microwave transformer. Naturally, the secondary voltage has also > dropped. I now have about > 1600 - 0 - 1600V from the two transformers when the primaries are > correctly phased. > > While the earthed ends of each HT winding could be lifted and FW bridge > rectification employed, I was reluctant to follow this path due to > insulation considerations. > > There is another trick that I found useful for safely matching > non-identical transformers, provided they are much the same size: > Apply 230V to the HV secondary windings and compare output voltages - > usually 23/26 volts or so. > > Watch where you put your fingers. > > Kevin ZL4MD > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df04.mx.aol.com (rly-df04.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.17]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDF073-5494a64ed7377; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:19:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF048-5494a64ed7377; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:19:32 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MT1Bt-00063b-Rb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:18:37 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MT1Bt-00063S-2y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:18:37 +0100 Received: from smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.17]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MT1Bo-0007Dj-CJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:18:35 +0100 Received: (qmail 34355 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2009 22:18:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:Importance; b=HkSd7HgteypuunWAFh3zjkzIAUGFAbpj1nw+LZoPNk7a9fSTK48YGrJLjQGOwD/foCLFAkT0459wNd8hSvW7wEW2+2axQw+8ziQidEAgxeFcC+ZnsK5gzqp2v4FgGxBhkKn+rOjln3crGCok1Eaufrq80gZJcL0zt7elt/e7pfU= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@86.141.125.244 with login) by smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2009 22:18:26 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: JSvqNSWswBBXc9Mk_Vd71RtGz2bViJtuZMADdmi78eLqBj_R7.fL X-YMail-OSG: oyzVcygVM1klwA8gqwoVcy5BuMXCM99Tif4vwp7TN3XbFp.dQdyIF18AFeMHXF8naiJOl1Ftt88msEg0cJpWfJ5mu.4ODuvYOYEGrCZxWS.pf73HZkXgSKYMu8_hs8tXEMZpwX.Sw.mgmD62dW3M5tgl3EzMGA6H7wwN_CDPQd8LIZiSpZaYCg3bZFcUcIr_AG2ctV4leMVChofUi.2.1IjylIZQiOVXrGU3UupP1fiXjZ21RqqGJrtOJo0OGXnVWxEEh3HmhkD4KcOc8vsh6jB5qqUAptWT2Sx1X5TOTlhhCkAW5J08m3t6.Xd0iKJEbwPsAVgbQq0zEKY1D9pAWG5g.9EYbkiK83ABhKh1bQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:18:47 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA0990.6EC279E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA0990.6EC279E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Jeff, Rik, Markus, Mouser GB sells the STGW30NC60WD IGBT, at £3-60 each. See the link below. You can download a data sheet from the same site. http://gb.mouser.com/search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=bbdZqDPQhEUJJb0Z4VAXWQ== Farnell UK also sell them:- http://uk.farnell.com/stmicroelectronics/stgw30nc60wd/igbt-to-247/dp/1293659 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of F6CWN Sent: 20 July 2009 23:02 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? Hello Markus and Rick! I have only just acquainted myself with your messages. (Just going out from hospital, big blood pressure problem...) Thanks a lot for precious information, of what make fun still! I recovered some ferrites N87 types which should work in 137 KHZ. Another subject interests me, it is the possibility of transmitting with a big spool of several turns (a bit as WD2XDW). But EIRP is much weaker than with a vertical aerial, then it is necessary to "push more" in power! VY 73: Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 10:07 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? Jeff, Marcus, STGW30NC60WD has a turnoff delay of 120ns. Turn on delay and rise / fall times are better than 30ns. That should be good enough for 137kHz, maybe even for 500kHz. It further has a max. Collector-Emitter Voltage of 600V, max. Collector Current of 60A (200A pulsed), max.. dissipation of 200W and a saturation voltage of 2V (@20A). Looks like a good "workhorse" for those who want to experiment with IGBT's. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 22:05 26/06/2009, you wrote: Dear Jeff, havn't actually tried it myself on 137 kHz. But from past experience I'd say that while IGBTs may have less DC loss, they are much slower (especially during turnoff). They can be used as effient switches at some tens of kHz, whereas MOSFETs will easily go up to several MHz. Kind regards, Markus, DF6NM ----- Original Message ----- From: F6CWN To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:37 PM Subject: LF: IGBT in 136 KHz TX? Good night to all, Anybody would have any experience on the use of IGBT in 136 KHz amplifiers? Thanks in advance! 73: Jeff / F6CWN ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA0990.6EC279E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jeff,=20 Rik, Markus,
 
Mouser GB sells the STGW30NC6= 0WD IGBT, at =A33-60=20 each. See the link below. You can download a data sheet from the same= =20 site.
 
 
Farnell UK also sell them:-
 
 
 
73,=20 Dave G3WCB IO91RM
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of=20 F6CWN
Sent: 20 July 2009 23:02
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT in= 136 KHz=20 TX?

Hello Markus and Rick!
 
I have only just acquainted myself= with your=20 messages.
(Just going out from hospital, big blood pressure=20 problem...)
Thanks a lot for precious informati= on, of what=20 make fun still!
I recovered some ferrites N87 types= which should=20 work in 137 KHZ.
Another subject interests me, it is= the=20 possibility of transmitting with a big spool of several turns (a bit= as=20 WD2XDW). But EIRP is much weaker than with a vertical aerial,= then it is=20 necessary to "push more"  in power!
 
VY 73: Jeff
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rik Strobbe
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009= 10:07=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: IGBT= in 136 KHz=20 TX?

Jeff, Marcus,

STGW30NC60WD has a turnoff del= ay of=20 120ns. Turn on delay and rise / fall times are better than 30ns.That=20 should be good enough for 137kHz, maybe even for 500kHz.
It fur= ther has a=20 max. Collector-Emitter Voltage of 600V, max. Collec= tor Current=20 of 60A (200A pulsed), max.. dissipation of 200W and a saturation= voltage of=20 2V (@20A).
Looks like a good "workhorse" for those who= want to=20 experiment with IGBT's.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

<= BR>At=20 22:05 26/06/2009, you wrote:
De= ar=20 Jeff,
 
havn't actually tried= it myself on=20 137 kHz. But from past experience I'd say that while IGBTs may= have less=20 DC loss, they are much slower (especially during turnoff). They= can be=20 used as effient switches at some tens of kHz, whereas MOSFETs wi= ll easily=20 go up to several MHz.
 
Kind=20 regards,
Markus, DF6NM
 
----- Original Message -----
From: F6CWN
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:37 PM
Subject: LF: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?

Good night to all,

 =20
Anybody would have any experience on the us= e of IGBT in=20 136 KHz amplifiers?
Thanks in advance!
73: Jeff / F6CWN

 
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA0990.6EC279E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df03.mx.aol.com (rly-df03.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.16]) by air-df05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDF051-53b4a5e2361360; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:44:10 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF034-53b4a5e2361360; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:43:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MR9RH-0008LZ-BM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:42:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MR9RG-0008LQ-Rp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:42:46 +0100 Received: from web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.126]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MR9R6-000782-0a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:42:36 +0100 Received: (qmail 69891 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jul 2009 18:42:39 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1247683359; bh=GRhb6yBUIjNrpSZnOAb6ZtZD+5w6nwJACow2BzZy74M=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hXGADlDnoVV/Ey6AwdJLEUHvLp8mvZElt5aaLvKgH5zvRcvM1gst1To5XlA0HcMthhK98eQxsun6lqiz8JF8KJWYMRBQ+rCcLcgyigDEpXltZRkM9Nw9g+wUh3m5Ce2nS6kpqS7Np9pTmuKd79gN7tGSmKkudgmm6gVoNWtJUUA= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jWpnPcwHNZY5HYr0rIYyMahCi29qkF5MX8Btg0K24Zk65xYQ0+LfhulFlJzV5NZBRA9IEbqxdvNsFVWMMWDNmC8p1a8vsVGe9e+quyoG5+JivEuku/XMbHf4f3w0cV2qL+EqLa9P5DdCZWyAOilx9yuSaZfX8M4j7KH24bBpIB4=; Message-ID: <164891.68523.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: DYm2Ru8VM1l8yoF0xtcMN1SnvfaGwTugNFTLQ_Cts7vrwX2Md7uxjxZlVy6YtUG45GCuzaFjDo7eRnQqEhNn6HSCvK7VZDeNHAoosfDerPl4ftpNZaSXvJAtw14pLsbIeSqXmG_yTmds4BNWRrUa2Hb40RZ4E6sfIpihf9.ZrVAxfuRYIwCAHEnNCHwZDcfzDjSktQIEb_KgXMo5eEigypAAEfwveteq6lhmfS.1tJOQ125oZx_MagVbMT4einY83P1KiFhPg_vr3AUwJRXtjuWxqI2ztTH7TLQmsXDgBVT8VkoqxJzGhlvddWIY8op4ivr2RDwGIb_D5xVv1VdJxlG2BvZy3mu8 Received: from [86.149.154.70] by web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:42:38 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.0.18 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:42:38 +0000 (GMT) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <003d01ca055f$a8bd7120$0201a8c0@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: 500KHz Signal Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2136066783-1247683358=:68523" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m253.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass --0-2136066783-1247683358=:68523 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Chris Tnx fer nice rprt on 500kc/s and than you. =A0 We can do crossband QSX between 3.566megs and 500kc/s several people have= done that and it works very well so we could try it some time. =A0 I have done that both ways and is a good way to start on 500kc/s. =A0 GL es 73 Pete M0FMT --- On Wed, 15/7/09, Chris wrote: From: Chris Subject: LF: 500KHz Signal To: "RSGB LF Group" Date: Wednesday, 15 July, 2009, 4:19 PM Been getting good copy, S7, of M0FMT on 500KHz this afternoon. Regular bur= sts of 'test' and short CQs. Sorry, no NOV, so can't get back to you. My Rx IC718, ant. is homebrew mini active whip @ 30'. Vy 73, Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent, (JO01MI). =20 --0-2136066783-1247683358=:68523 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Chris Tnx fer nice rprt on 500kc/s= and than you.
 
We can do crossband QSX between 3.566megs and 500kc/s several people= have done that and it works very well so we could try it some time.
 
I have done that both ways and is a good way to start on 500kc/s.
 
GL es 73 Pete M0FMT

--- On Wed, 15/7/09, Chris <c.ash= by435@btinternet.com> wrote:

From: Chris <c.ashby435@btinternet.com><= BR>Subject: LF: 500KHz Signal
To: "RSGB LF Group" <rsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep.org>
Date: Wednesday, 15 July, 2009, 4:19 PM

Been getting good copy, S7, of M0FMT on= 500KHz this afternoon. Regular bursts of 'test' and short CQs.
Sorry, no NOV, so can't get back to you.<= /FONT>
My Rx IC718, ant. is homebrew mini active= whip @ 30'.
Vy 73,
Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent, (JO01MI).=

=20 --0-2136066783-1247683358=:68523-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (rly-mg08.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.114]) by air-mg10.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMG103-a294a4fcf1b1ca; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:52:52 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG083-a294a4fcf1b1ca; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:52:30 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MND8j-00025X-Qr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:51:21 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MND8j-00025O-7I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:51:21 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MND8h-0005Fu-95 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:51:21 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F2447B8043 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 23:51:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB-N3.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub-n3.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.13]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 276BFF3862 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 23:51:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-EXC2-CA.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.11.13]) by ICTS-S-HUB-N3.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.9.13]) with mapi; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 23:51:12 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 23:50:02 +0200 Thread-Topic: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS Thread-Index: Acn82DYNdhXc7/9HTSqaywNhgAt/2AAGSxaC Message-ID: References: <908B19DF06BE4ECEB3A61470A89BEFA8@Black> <20090703100648.865C531E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <20090703113546.640D731E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be>,<09DF43BF4A974C1D80DF9BC90E77B1E3@AGB> In-Reply-To: <09DF43BF4A974C1D80DF9BC90E77B1E3@AGB> Accept-Language: nl-NL, nl-BE Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: nl-NL, nl-BE MIME-Version: 1.0 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: RE: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C049F1D7DICTSSEXC2CAluna_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, LINES_OF_YELLING,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C049F1D7DICTSSEXC2CAluna_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good 559 copy at 21:40 UTC EI0CF also 559 beaconing at the bottom end 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g] namens Graham [g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk] Verzonden: zaterdag 4 juli 2009 20:34 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT 4 july ROUND 1930 ONWARDS Operating on 502.00 khz cw , RX 502 kx +/- also rx on 3533 / 7033 cw - cross band Possibly operating till round 2400 hrs qsl GB4FPR@HOTMAIL.CO.UK Reports welcome Tnx- Graham --_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C049F1D7DICTSSEXC2CAluna_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good= 559 copy at 21:40 UTC
EI0CF also 559 beaconing= at the bottom end
 
73, Rik  ON7YD - OR= 7T
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Graham [g8fzk@g8fzk.fsne= t.co.uk]
Verzonden: zaterdag 4 juli 2009 20:34
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS

 GB4FPR  502.00 KHZ TONIGHT=   4 july ROUND 1930  ONWARDS
 
Operating on 502.00  khz cw ,
 
RX 502 kx +/-  also rx on&nb= sp; 3533 / 7033  cw -  cross band 
 
Possibly operating till  round&n= bsp; 2400 hrs
 
 
Reports welcome
 
Tnx- Graham
 
 
 
 

 
--_000_BF4A524700075746A6467658DFC7102C049F1D7DICTSSEXC2CAluna_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md06.mx.aol.com (rly-md06.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.144]) by air-md05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMD051-90f4a562a40314; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:35:16 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md06.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD067-90f4a562a40314; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:34:59 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MOxVC-00022P-9H for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:33:46 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MOxVB-00022G-QM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:33:45 +0100 Received: from smtprelay-virgin0161.hostedemail.com ([64.99.136.161] helo=smtprelay-virgin.hostedemail.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MOxV8-0001SF-TZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:33:45 +0100 Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (ff-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay05.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4041F25AB17A for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:33:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Summary: 30,2,0,c4f14641cf42fea7,d41d8cd98f00b204,james.cowburn@virgin.net,rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org,RULES_HIT:10:355:379:539:541:542:599:600:901:945:946:967:969:973:988:989:1155:1156:1160:1260:1277:1311:1313:1314:1345:1359:1437:1461:1515:1516:1518:1534:1541:1593:1594:1711:1730:1747:1766:1792:2075:2078:2110:2393:2525:2553:2559:2563:2682:2685:2857:2859:2895:2933:2937:2939:2942:2945:2947:2951:2954:3022:3027:3352:3636:3657:3865:3866:3867:3868:3869:3871:3872:3874:3934:3936:3938:3941:3944:3947:3950:3953:3956:3959:3961:4250:4362:5007:6119:6261:7576:7679:7901:7903:8509:8599:9025:9388:9545:9562:10004,0,RBL:none,CacheIP:none,Bayesian:0.5,0.5,0.5,Netcheck:none,DomainCache:0,MSF:not bulk,SPF:fn,MSBL:none,DNSBL:none,Custom_rules:0:0:0 X-Filterd-Recvd-Size: 1883 Received: from jimdesk (client-81-107-206-210.glfd.adsl.virgin.net [81.107.206.210]) by omf10.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:33:37 +0000 (UTC) From: "James Cowburn" To: References: <3ED0CD52FE44410585B4FD49BC73AF8C@JimPC> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 18:33:35 +0100 Message-ID: <002801ca00bb$644af9c0$0217aac0@jimdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <3ED0CD52FE44410585B4FD49BC73AF8C@JimPC> thread-index: AcoAL/lUxY8U7UhERQmv8urw/f5yegAi1dIQ X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: LF Tuning Aids Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Jim Looks excellent. Giving me some good ideas Thanks for uploading this Jim G7NKS -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of James Moritz Sent: 09 July 2009 01:54 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: LF Tuning Aids Dear LF Group, I have just uploaded a file (LF_tuning_aids.pdf) to the UK500kHz group site at http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/files. This is an updated/expanded version of my old "LF tuning meter" article that has been on G3YXM's web pages for some time. It describes a number of devices for monitoring antenna matching I have used on 136kHz and 500kHz, including: -The original 136kHz LF tuning meter design, indicating voltage, current and phase, with updates for dual band 136k/500k use. -The "Scopematch", for displaying antenna feeder voltage and current waveforms on a dual trace scope -A couple of simple SWR bridge designs Hope it proves to be of interest - any comments welcome. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md01.mx.aol.com (rly-md01.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.139]) by air-md09.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMD093-8e14a6a033d261; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:54:13 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD011-8e14a6a033d261; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:53:51 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MUPsU-0008SX-UA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 19:52:22 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MUPsS-0008SO-EP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 19:52:20 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-2.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.243] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MUPsO-00060R-2b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 19:52:18 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmQFAPqeaUpOlTR2/2dsb2JhbACCJS+CG4UFgyAGyCKEDQU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.149.52.118]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2009 19:46:47 +0100 Message-ID: <003701ca0c8f$19049db0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 19:46:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: UPS psu Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01CA0C97.7A6736A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01CA0C97.7A6736A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just bought several UPS units. These make good psu's for LF/MF fet= transmitters etc Depending on model these make ideal psu's for fet LF= /MF transmitters delivering from 12v to 60v at several amps. They hav= e the added advantage because of the batteries of delivering power eve= n when the mains goes off, at least enough to finish a qso. They can= also be used as battery chargers. The 230v outputs could also be hand= y, this is of course what they were intended to do. My models are POWE= RSURE some delivering up to 1400 watts. 73 mal/g3kev =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01CA0C97.7A6736A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just bought several UPS units. Thes= e make good=20 psu's for LF/MF fet transmitters etc Depending on model these make=20 ideal psu's for fet LF/MF transmitters delivering from 12v to 60v= at=20 several  amps. They have the added advantage because of the batte= ries of=20 delivering power even when the mains goes off, at least enough to fini= sh a qso.=20 They can also be used as battery chargers. The 230v outputs could also= be handy,=20 this is of course what they were intended to do. My models are=20 POWERSURE some delivering up to 1400 watts.
73 mal/g3kev
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0034_01CA0C97.7A6736A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-db07.mx.aol.com (rly-db07.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.82]) by air-db03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDB033-ad34a5511b293; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:38:06 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB071-ad34a5511b293; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:37:57 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MOeoX-0007el-88 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:36:29 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MOeoW-0007ec-Mu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:36:28 +0100 Received: from mail-bw0-f218.google.com ([209.85.218.218]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MOeoU-0000vl-LH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:36:28 +0100 Received: by bwz18 with SMTP id 18so1547991bwz.4 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:36:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=I98rESY1re0xDj/QLDlAXt745i9rf6BFxpczsJpvfTI=; b=XlXDA2NiZ0O07nfcDjuz2ePDMl9NtJVVXJT/Xwr9PBaxsPU9ONAPoTA7RylcddNwsy j6W/GY8/jCAeedZatlbcUz5eVbbjncSA7JHCypgiUa0nRZnjAMKpA6hR2VYvyctGTXG4 waERbYXfc40cyM0Odg/ZQcFnKdzzi55J4voR4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=I5o7xPtmGr49gDlpVB93MT+a5yWGLDSfeOUV4Nf9Ew67bYdzl6ySzyouwL5YAgZvi4 wKQ4bV7tD9skVQVqVe0ul9KgJOhkFlp7AY78kMjrDYKrZHmRqSef68qe7cqi42T7R2yr wVbKpg/JeHwSSKZiZmTUNSbIjf/Jr0LQyOE2o= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.146.212 with SMTP id x20mr636607hba.97.1247088980456; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:36:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <713744.8360.qm@web86208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <713744.8360.qm@web86208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:36:20 +0100 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: ukmicrowaves@yahoogroups.com, uk_beacons@yahoogroups.com, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Fwd: Fw: Ofcom Update: Date Correction - Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m268.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) The Lat/Long converts to: Loc. JO00FV41 NGR TQ723122 Andy www.g4jnt.com --- On Wed, 8/7/09, Updates wrote: From: Updates Subject: Ofcom Update: Date Correction - Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises To: Date: Wednesday, 8 July, 2009, 11:14 AM The MoD has informed Ofcom of the following GPS jamming exercise: Dates: 14th and 15th October 2009. Times: Maximum of two hours between the times of 08:00-12:00 and 13:30=9615:30 each day. Location: Within 1km of N50=B0 53.0=92 and E000=B0 27.0=92 (Bexhill, East= Sussex). Contact: Trial Manager (during the trial) on 07776 484226. ..........................................................................= . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg08.mx.aol.com (rly-dg08.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.92]) by air-dg06.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDG063-5e34a712d0315c; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 01:18:16 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG082-5e34a712d0315c; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 01:17:56 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MWNzh-0004vb-Rd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 06:15:57 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MWNzh-0004vS-68 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 06:15:57 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc3-s26.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.226]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MWNzc-0007Sv-Rx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 06:15:54 +0100 Received: from BAY101-W7 ([64.4.56.107]) by bay0-omc3-s26.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:15:44 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 07:15:44 +0200 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2009 05:15:44.0719 (UTC) FILETIME=[CA5575F0:01CA10D4] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_6dfea6c9-3326-4ab5-80ff-61717fb8e265_" Subject: LF: Reguest of technical info X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_6dfea6c9-3326-4ab5-80ff-61717fb8e265_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF! I have got "VLF interference measuring receiver LFR1000", produced by CHAS= E ELECTRICS LIMITED. I bought it in UK and I use it as receiver on 137kHz= (it works from 9kHz to 150kHz). It is very good receiver, especially now,= when it is used with new home made DDS inside. I have short Operator instructions only, but I NEED detailed scheme of thi= s receiver.=20 Can anybody help me, please? Lubos, OK2BVG _________________________________________________________________ Ve slu=BEb=EC Windows Live m=F9=BEete uspo=F8=E1dat, upravit a sd=EDlet sv= =E9 fotografie. http://www.microsoft.com/cze/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gallery-ed= it.aspx=3D --_6dfea6c9-3326-4ab5-80ff-61717fb8e265_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF!
I have got "VLF interference measuring receiver LFR1000", pro= duced by CHASE ELECTRICS LIMITED. I bought it in UK and I use it as receiv= er on 137kHz (it works from 9kHz to 150kHz). It is very good receiver, esp= ecially now, when it is used with new home made DDS inside.
I have shor= t Operator instructions only, but I NEED detailed scheme of this receiver.=
Can anybody help me, please?

Lubos, OK2BVG

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Klikni zde! =3D --_6dfea6c9-3326-4ab5-80ff-61717fb8e265_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mc08.mx.aol.com (rly-mc08.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.92]) by air-mc02.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMC024-d8f4a701db5306; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 06:00:31 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mc08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMC087-d8f4a701db5306; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 06:00:23 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MW5wS-0002gb-Si for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 10:59:24 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MW5wS-0002gS-H7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 10:59:24 +0100 Received: from mbox2.netikka.net ([213.250.81.203]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MW5w4-0006HT-QP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 10:59:01 +0100 Received: from imp1.netikka.net (imp1.netikka.net [213.250.85.154]) by mbox2.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA094080C3 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:59:12 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imp1.netikka.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6688495BC7 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:59:12 +0300 (EEST) Received: from eur-info24.infonet.com (eur-info24.infonet.com [213.31.11.24]) by imp.netikka.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:59:12 +0300 Message-ID: <1248861552.4a701d70a1dda@imp.netikka.net> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:59:12 +0300 From: Paul-Henrik To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001001ca102b$1b87c040$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> In-Reply-To: <001001ca102b$1b87c040$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 213.31.11.24 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Licence of OK0EMW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Lubos, Andrey, LF OK0EMW was also audible in OH last night with a good signal for this time= of the year. I was surprised and delighted to hear two tones when tuning past 505.1-505.2kHz to check band conditions. 73 Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ Quoting Andrey rn3agc : > Hi Lubos, LF! > OK0EMW audible last night, ~21.20z! > mp3-file: http://rn3agc.msk.ru/sound/090728-ok0emw-cw.mp3 > > 73 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-me06.mx.aol.com (rly-me06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.40]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINME012-9c04a5ee467197; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 04:27:34 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me06.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME064-9c04a5ee467197; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 04:27:20 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MRMIP-0003Fd-Dz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:26:29 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MRMIO-0003FU-Lq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:26:28 +0100 Received: from smtp137.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.107.120]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MRMID-00032F-3p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:26:17 +0100 Received: (qmail 53060 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2009 08:26:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=yh0bqDtudKQWSAyGVUydwlKwPjxlJ6Ep4gI26e/LMyH2bS/I+xunSIN5QF5yocGiR2VF0vtqia1uLizIovKOTJAemvgt5P4yGFug/VmwtcPUmS+8RIWMM9pB76u0wydfhj1cv5hrZ7Wp+boigdFAZaqku0ZtynmMmpATKSDaCj4= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lindavideo) (ken.h.wright@86.140.224.132 with login) by smtp137.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2009 08:26:20 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: APVNTmmswBB1ajQe0.MR1eIpHqOdoGKpEnK7HtPhl2t5AIcci3nTdw-- X-YMail-OSG: AOxI4bgVM1nUK0IffbFzvFE9gMIGIx7rSKS9DrXPbYkg1aK_rgm38XxyUfuhSOTFwBwUydNl0z.kMC_Dp.nNZXRyFdUYFABA0kX64silIhaBei_IE1.XxQXxKjsa3HOw9pBO.oO3msEOPOw4pC3PUVNmUecdsr.2nXltEG_wLEhiO4DQmI4ZWfwmpOgWSt8tUP4UKTqEawG4copZ0tYayWDG1pT4pYbPbauUnjrULQrU1mObJZN2fwwXK6Rs9TiM7E83C4ML6sS1ioHBRK.xXxLGMNSxFXz1OZ6.VkkUoI3ihqwoqKnSV4mXUwltA7xiCFbeC8MYydcexoi4CpWM0Zt4vELhfnFoh.UHo.KZfRfVhwE- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <6D931A509DFE488E95CECD8F8482AC68@lindavideo> From: "Ken" To: References: <003501ca0554$292717a0$0900a8c0@AM> <009a01ca0591$50cba2c0$0900a8c0@AM> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:26:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Everyone. It looks as if I have really started something going, the main problem is obtaining the transformers, for too expensive to buy new. The obvious source are Council Tidy Tips, the problem there is that scrap microwave ovens come under the EU. WEEE directive, however some Tidy Tips are licensed to sell items like these, it is a matter of contacting various local authorities to find a licensed site, alternatively there is always Ebay. KEN 73 de M0KHW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Melia" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:59 PM Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers > Hi Ken yes I appreciate the usage. I was a little concerned that if the > transformer was not designed for that kind of use it might not necessarily > have sufficent insulation from that end of the winding to ground to > survive > the different stresses of of bridge rectifier. However Bob says he has > been > using one like that for years so I guess they must have been > conservatively > designed. I have had problems with transformers parallel primaries and > series secondaries ( a common way of getting high voltages for valves > ....in > my youth :-)) ) breaking down under the voltage stress. I have several > transformers I salvaged from MOs and I now feel a lot happier about their > use in HV PSUs. In the 50s.60s I was brought up with thick insulation and > porcelain standoffs :-)) > > An interesting thread. > Best Wishes > Alan G3NYK > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 7:04 PM > Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers > > >> Hi Alan. >> The earthy end of the HV winding should be lifted from earth, and a > fullwave >> bridge used . >> >> Ken >> 73 de M0KHW >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Alan Melia" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:57 PM >> Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers >> >> >> > Hi all, I am very please to see not everyone sticks to a 12 volt >> > maximum >> > supply voltage >> > :-)) >> > >> > One though that occurs to me is that if one side of the MO transformer > is >> > grounded in oven service........one ought to check that the winding as >> > a >> > whole is sufficiently well insulated from ground to stand floating 2kV >> > above >> > ground. There may not be the same clearance /insulation on the grounded >> > end >> > of the secondary as the intended high-voltage end?? On the other hand >> > it >> > might be quite OK. I have a certain cynicism about "consumer designs". >> > >> > Alan G3NYK >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: >> > To: >> > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:34 PM >> > Subject: Re: Re: LF: Microwave oven transformers >> > >> > >> > These special transformers need the magnetic bypass because a magnetron >> > looks (as a load) like a Z diode. >> > So they are powered, more or less, with a constant current source >> > rather >> > than a constant voltage source. >> > >> > In other words, the "generator" (transformer) must have a large source >> > impedance, and that's what the magnetic bypass in the 'former does. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Wolf . >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg05.mx.aol.com (rly-dg05.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.89]) by air-dg04.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDG041-5c64a6cc0ebd7; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:47:54 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg05.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG053-5c64a6cc0ebd7; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:47:42 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MVAbx-000625-JP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 21:46:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MVAbw-00061w-Va for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 21:46:24 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.190] (helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MVAbb-0006Cu-Ks for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 21:46:04 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3631.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4DCF87000086 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 22:46:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.23.6]) by mwinf3631.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 124067000082 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 22:46:14 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090726204614748.124067000082@mwinf3631.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <1149B6CA80204E7691BAFA61F94FAE64@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <004e01ca0e08$4e2b7ac0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <009501ca0e19$b3045fa0$6401a8c0@asus> In-Reply-To: <009501ca0e19$b3045fa0$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 21:45:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: GB4FPR ACTIVE 502 KHZ 1600 HRS BST onwards MONDAY 27/7 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01AC_01CA0E3A.730463C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_01AC_01CA0E3A.730463C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable GB4FPR ACTIVE 502 KHZ 1600 HRS BST Onwards MONDAY 27/7=20 Will be active Monday , round 1600 BST onwards 502 KHz cw only=20 reports welcome to gb4fpr@hotmail.co.uk=20 ------=_NextPart_000_01AC_01CA0E3A.730463C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
GB4FPR ACTIVE 502 KHZ  1600 HRS&= nbsp; BST=20 Onwards   MONDAY 27/7
 
Will be active Monday , round 1600 BS= T =20 onwards 502 KHz  cw only
reports welcome to   gb4fpr@hotmail.co.uk
  ------=_NextPart_000_01AC_01CA0E3A.730463C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma03.mx.aol.com (rly-ma03.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.47]) by air-ma06.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMA062-8974a6a265422b; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:24:04 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA031-8974a6a265422b; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:23:35 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MUSDP-0000UK-7Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:22:07 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MUSDO-0000UB-QP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:22:06 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc3-s29.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.229]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MUSDL-0006nc-2d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:22:04 +0100 Received: from BAY101-W45 ([64.4.56.145]) by bay0-omc3-s29.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:21:49 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [212.4.140.33] From: Lubos OK2BVG To: Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 23:21:49 +0200 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2009 21:21:49.0917 (UTC) FILETIME=[C1CE40D0:01CA0CA4] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_34e771f1-ad79-4e96-8629-c55f6c19cdfd_" Subject: LF: Licence of OK0EMW X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --_34e771f1-ad79-4e96-8629-c55f6c19cdfd_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all LF! I am glad, that I can tell you good news: The licence of my beacon OK0EMW was extended to 13.8.2010. OK0EMW is active on its fixed freq 505.060kHz with 1W ERP. All reports are= welcome! 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS, Breclav, The Czech Republic _________________________________________________________________ Sd=EDlejte sv=E9 z=E1=BEitky s k=FDmkoli chcete. http://www.microsoft.com/cze/windows/windowslive/products/photos-share.asp= x?tab=3D1=3D --_34e771f1-ad79-4e96-8629-c55f6c19cdfd_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all LF!
I am glad, that I can tell you good news:

The lice= nce of my beacon OK0EMW was extended to 13.8.2010.

OK0EMW is active= on its fixed freq 505.060kHz with 1W ERP. All reports are welcome!
73!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS, Breclav, The Czech Republic

Bu=EFte v kontaktu se sv=FDmi p=F8=E1teli z Facebooku a Hotmailu= = Klikni zde! =3D --_34e771f1-ad79-4e96-8629-c55f6c19cdfd_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (rly-mf02.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.172]) by air-mf03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMF031-9454a5e0c09305; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:04:26 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF023-9454a5e0c09305; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:04:11 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MR7sf-0007j1-Tk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:02:57 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MR7sf-0007is-FU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:02:57 +0100 Received: from smtp21.services.sfr.fr ([93.17.128.3]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MR7sc-0001at-9W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:02:56 +0100 Received: from filter.sfr.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msfrf2127.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id DB8E67000099 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:02:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from euro7g1ku6dl5q (21.171.87-79.rev.gaoland.net [79.87.171.21]) by msfrf2127.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 9A0F37000094 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:02:44 +0200 (CEST) X-SFR-UUID: 20090715170244631.9A0F37000094@msfrf2127.sfr.fr Message-ID: <000a01ca056e$0f4b3950$0201a8c0@euro7g1ku6dl5q> From: "Claude Berthebaud" To: References: <200907151729430361.091BDC4C@smtp2.numeo.fr> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:02:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090714-0, 14/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: test the QRSS60......137776hz...20h utc Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Good evening Tonight I test......... qrss60 ......137776hz ....from 20h utc......BOJ........ controles are welcome. good evening Claude F8BOJ. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb07.mx.aol.com (rly-mb07.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.165]) by air-mb03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMB032-d164a72f7d8160; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 09:55:52 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB072-d164a72f7d8160; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 09:55:38 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MWsYe-0001LZ-7o for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:54:04 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MWsYd-0001LQ-4a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:54:03 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MWsYW-0005Yp-1i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:54:00 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3527.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9A6391C00086 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:53:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.50.188]) by mwinf3527.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 1301A1C00083 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:53:44 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090731135344780.1301A1C00083@mwinf3527.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <7C5EF3297F5848B8A92142CFD613FB0B@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <001c01ca1145$390b2dd0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:53:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: cq round 502 ? 1300 hrs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01CA11EE.ACDB43E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CA11EE.ACDB43E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now stronger .1445 hrs .. M0FMT rst 4/5 - 4 - 9 ..may be in beaco= n mode ? freq .. may be (+/- a bit ) 502.1250 @ 10 db over the noise floo= r=20 rx set up 38 ft vert , no atu, ft897-d , 501 , usb=20 Aslo seeing 'cw' at 503.4 ..1445 hrs=20 G ..=20 From: Graham=20 Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:06 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: cq round 502 ? 1300 hrs=20 Station calling 'cq' round 502 .on the speaker . but too low to get= the call =20 sorry - may be O ..... ?=20 Graham , io83lk ----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.38/2274 - Release Date: 07/3= 1/09 05:58:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CA11EE.ACDB43E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Now stronger .1445 hrs .. M0FMT =   =20 rst  4/5 -  4 - 9 ..may be in beacon mode ?
 
freq .. may be  (+/- a bit )&nbs= p; =20 502.1250  @  10 db over the  noise floor
 
rx set up  38 ft vert , no atu,&= nbsp; ft897-d=20 , 501  , usb
 
Aslo seeing  'cw' at 503.4 ..144= 5 hrs=20
 
G ..

From: Graham
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:06 PM
Subject: LF: cq round 502 ? 1300 hrs

 
Station calling 'c= q'  round=20 502 .on the  speaker . but too low to  get the  call&nb= sp;=20
 
sorry - may be O= ..... ?=20
 
Graham , io83lk


No virus found in this incoming message.
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------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CA11EE.ACDB43E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md09.mx.aol.com (rly-md09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.147]) by air-md01.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMD011-9264a503c457; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:38:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md09.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD096-9264a503c457; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:38:16 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MNKPT-0004IK-Sm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 06:37:07 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MNKPT-0004IB-8V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 06:37:07 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.9]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MNKPQ-0004ld-OO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 06:37:07 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (host86-177-30-45.range86-177.btcentralplus.com [86.177.30.45]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKsym-1MNKPI31w8-000OkL; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 07:37:01 +0200 From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 06:36:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4A503BF8.31954.163F21@dave.davesergeant.com> In-reply-to: References: , , X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.51) Content-description: Mail message body X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/fDcBWAA1EwE/96rM8/3dygzSLYbaBCJaZE5O 86v3sUvkfL1SqZ8KIZ21C0rbh4NvMDGdp1UMcaq2q/Uphz2ydb FkS/KiWxJhZO1/Y2eE9LnlXImcYC6p8 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On 5 Jul 2009 at 1:24, James Moritz wrote: > Dear Graham, LF Group, > > Tried replying to your CQs a couple of times around 2200utc, but no > response - perhaps that receiver does need a look... > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > 579 here in Bracknell, IO91PJ. I assume it was at your QTH Graham? Was not in a position to call last night, but judging from other comments I guess you would have never heard my milliwatts... I was a bit mystified to see Chris G3XIZ (always 599+ many) call you and not a dickey bird of a response, maybe the receiver does need a bit of work doing on it... 73 Dave G3YMC http://www.davesergeant.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf10.mx.aol.com (rly-mf10.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.180]) by air-mf09.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMF091-98a4a68c666388; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:22:18 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf10.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF108-98a4a68c666388; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:22:00 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MU4mK-0005rB-7P for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:20:36 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MU4mJ-0005r2-Eq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:20:35 +0100 Received: from mailout09.t-online.de ([194.25.134.84]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MU4mE-0002TJ-Uy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:20:33 +0100 Received: from fwd10.aul.t-online.de by mailout09.t-online.de with smtp id 1MU4mC-00039F-01; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 22:20:28 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.22] (Ee7PJoZF8hhzOhm4RhCQum+CLGEprEswJH9YpsUZLIt982bKLc5sV8V0J7wB2rSQVp@[93.196.57.117]) by fwd10.t-online.de with esmtp id 1MU4lz-1dRfeq0; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 22:20:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de References:<1MTixd-0cGXyK0@fwd00.t-online.de> <4A687388.4050801@usa.net> In-Reply-To: To: X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 6.08.0003 Date: 23 Jul 2009 20:20 GMT Message-ID: <1MU4lz-1dRfeq0@fwd10.t-online.de> X-ID: Ee7PJoZF8hhzOhm4RhCQum+CLGEprEswJH9YpsUZLIt982bKLc5sV8V0J7wB2rSQVp X-TOI-MSGID: 7ea62277-8a85-4052-9d81-ce91ca2c4474 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Loop discussion Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear James and Alberto, I must confess that my considerations were much simpler. I wanted to find a solution for an outside wire (normal litz wire for electric home wiring) loop for broadband reception and to transfer its received energy into the shack via a cable. Especially at VLF to MF cable losses are rather low. Furthermore I wanted to locate all electronic equipment in the shack only, no remote controls or similars. My solution is simple and is working according to my expectations. 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "James Moritz" schrieb: > Dear Alberto, LF Group, > > To give a sensible answer, you have to look at the numbers specific to your > antenna and requirements. For example, suppose you want to use a broadband > loop as you have described on 136kHz. I reckon the noise floor under quiet > band conditions is about 1uV/m in 300Hz bandwidth at 136k. The figures I > have to hand are for a 1m x 1m loop element made of 15mm copper water pipe, > so let us use that as a basis. > > The EMF induced in the loop is 2.1e-8 x fNAE, where f is Hz, N is number of > turns, A is m^2, and E is field strength in V/m. The 1uV/m band noise will > therefore produce an EMF of approx 2.9nV in the single-turn loop. Let us > follow Roelof's example and use a 1:30 step-up transformer. The EMF at the > secondary will therefore be 86nV. This is quite small, but we can use a low > noise amplifier - a J310 as used in the high impedance "Mini-whip" design > has an input noise voltage density of about 1.2nV/sqrt Hz, so contributes > 21nV noise in 300Hz BW, about 12dB below the band noise level, so there is > some margin to allow additional noise from other sources. > > The other thing we need to worry about is the thermal noise contributed by > the loss resistance of the loop and transformer. Suppose we want this to be > at least 6dB below the band noise level, i.e. 43nV at the transformer > secondary. The thermal noise EMF of a resistance is sqrt(4kTBR), so the > maximum resistance we can have is Vn^2 / 4kTB, where k is Boltzmann's > constant 1.38E-23, T is absolute temperature (say 300K), B is bandwidth of > 300Hz - R works out to 372ohms. The impedance at the transformer secondary > will be the overall loss resistance of loop and transformer, in series with > the transformed inductive reactance of the loop (assuming that the > transformer winding inductance is high enough to have negligible effect). > The 1m^2 single turn loop has L of about 3.4uH, so with a 1:30 transformer, > the inductance at the secondary will be 900 times this, 3.06mH. This has a > reactance at 136k of 2.6kohms, so the minimum permissible Q of the > loop/transformer combination is 2.6k/372, i.e. about 7. > > This is not very high. My prototype loop was made of 4 x 1m lengths of tube > with 4 x 90 degree elbows, so 8 solder joints, plus various hardware and > bits of wire connecting the resonating capacitors. The unloaded Q at 136k > was about 120 (and it seems the capacitors actually contributed > significantly to the loss), so the loop itself is probably not an issue, or > the addition of a few turns of wire as the transformer primary. I suspect > the transformer would be a greater contributor to the resistance due to > losses in the ferrite core , but provided the inductance of the primary was > several times larger than the loop inductance, it should be quite easy to > achieve an overall Q greater than 7. You also want to make the transformer > inductance high in order to minimise its shunting effect on the loop - this > would further reduce the already low voltage at the transformer secondary. > > The impedance at the transformer secondary is kilohms, so a high input > impedance preamp is needed, whose noise figure is not seriously degraded by > the high source impedance, such as a JFET. A mini-whip-type buffer meets > this requirement, but with unity voltage gain, the output voltage is still > very low, so a sensitive receiver or further gain would be needed. Most > amateur type rigs used for receive on 136k would need 20 - 40dB additional > gain due to their poor sensitivity. An issue with a wideband design like > this is that the transformer would probably resonate somewhere in the 100s > of kilohertz range, which would put a sharp peak in the loop response at > that frequency - if this is in the broadcast band, it would probably be a > good idea to add a damping R-C combination to reduce the chances of strong > overloading broadcast signals. Some selectivity would be desirable in any > case, if the loop was used with a high gain preamp. Of course, if you > resonate the loop at the operating frequency, you can get quite a lot of > voltage gain "for free", but the bandwidth will be much smaller. > > So it looks like this particular design is feasible and the loop > construction not very critical. I have not tried this particular > configuration (my loops need to incorporate some selectivity to be viable, > due to the 10s of volts/metre from the broadcast stations), but I used a > similar approach with the bandpass loops and several other designs, and got > more or less what was expected, so it should work OK. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df11.mx.aol.com (rly-df11.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.24]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDF044-58a4a68d284262; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:14:02 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df11.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF113-58a4a68d284262; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:13:41 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MU5aO-00061J-EK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 22:12:20 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MU5aN-00061A-EP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 22:12:19 +0100 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MU5aK-0003hw-4F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 22:12:17 +0100 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 813B32AC52F for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:12:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps03.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.132] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.53L) with ESMTP id XID625NgwVmg8125X01; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:12:06 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.132 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps03.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID625NgwVmg8125X01 Received: from [127.0.0.1] [151.47.218.242] by cmsapps03.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.53P) with ESMTPA id 515NgwVme8240M39; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:12:05 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.218.242 AUTH dibene@usa.net [127.0.0.1] Message-ID: <4A68D221.1030404@usa.net> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 23:12:01 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1MTixd-0cGXyK0@fwd00.t-online.de> <4A687388.4050801@usa.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090723-0, 07/23/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Z-USANET-MsgId: XID515NgwVmF8240X39 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Loop discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) James Moritz wrote: > > So it looks like this particular design is feasible and the loop > construction not very critical. I have not tried this particular > configuration (my loops need to incorporate some selectivity to be viable, > due to the 10s of volts/metre from the broadcast stations), but I used a > similar approach with the bandpass loops and several other designs, and got > more or less what was expected, so it should work OK. Dear James, many thanks for your considerations and the computations done on the configuration I proposed. They are much useful and appreciated, exactly up to the point, as usual ! I will try to do some experiments during the coming month of August, if the temperature and, more important, the percentage of humidity will allow me to do some work in the garden ! Just now, it is too hot and too damp to do anything...! 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb06.mx.aol.com (rly-mb06.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.164]) by air-mb07.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMB072-d104a59bdc38a; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 06:41:19 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb06.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB064-d104a59bdc38a; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 06:41:10 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MPwTu-0004ew-RW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:40:30 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MPwTu-0004en-AF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:40:30 +0100 Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com ([205.188.139.137]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPwTr-0002gK-6Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:40:29 +0100 Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a59bd851f8; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 06:40:15 -0400 Received: from F4DTL@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.c9c.48934e7e (65097) for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 06:39:59 -0400 (EDT) From: F4DTL@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 06:39:59 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5029 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: F8BOJ Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_c9c.48934e7e.378b177f_boundary" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --part1_c9c.48934e7e.378b177f_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1247395197" -------------------------------1247395197 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Claude your reception this morning with an old receiver Telefunken ELK639. 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post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MPDCH-0003jm-TH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:19:17 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPDCF-0002lJ-96 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:19:17 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEADqyVkpZ8IqS/2dsb2JhbACEa8tLhAgF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.240.138.146]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 11:19:08 +0100 Message-ID: <001401ca0147$dc500d20$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <8bf118410907100011s696aa712sbd88bd3a023e1c39@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:19:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Like I said when the big BANG comes the Appliance operator and his data gadgets will be rendered useless, whereas a Radio Amateur with his 2 valved RX/TX, a morse key, a piece of wire for antenna and a pedal powered power source will communicate on. We all managed to commumicate and navigate this past 100 years without these gadgets, unfortunately today the majority seem to be totally dependant on computers and associated data devices. These gadgets are handy but make a person LAZY and forgetful about how to write and operate CW as a tool to communicate. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Pick" To: Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 8:11 AM Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Perhaps we should encourage a Loran jamming excercise to prove that it isn't the un-jammable marvel that its cracked up to be? ;-) Dave G3YXM 2009/7/9 Dave G3WCB : > Hmmm... I can only see an electricity substation at that exact > location...the source will probably on Henley's Down or somewhere similar. > > It'll mess-up any GPS-disciplined beacons (LF or Microwave)for a few > hours! > > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Andy Talbot > Sent: 08 July 2009 22:36 > To: ukmicrowaves@yahoogroups.com; uk_beacons@yahoogroups.com; > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Fwd: Fw: Ofcom Update: Date Correction - Forthcoming GPS > jamming exercises > > > The Lat/Long converts to: > Loc. JO00FV41 > NGR TQ723122 > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > --- On Wed, 8/7/09, Updates wrote: > > From: Updates > Subject: Ofcom Update: Date Correction - Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises > To: > Date: Wednesday, 8 July, 2009, 11:14 AM > > The MoD has informed Ofcom of the following GPS jamming exercise: > > Dates: 14th and 15th October 2009. > > Times: Maximum of two hours between the times of 08:00-12:00 and > 13:30–15:30 each day. > > Location: Within 1km of N50° 53.0’ and E000° 27.0’ (Bexhill, East Sussex). > > Contact: Trial Manager (during the trial) on 07776 484226. > > ........................................................................... > > > -- G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.9/2228 - Release Date: 07/09/09 18:07:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (rly-ma06.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.50]) by air-ma08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMA084-8b24a5f04ea380; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 06:46:19 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA064-8b24a5f04ea380; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 06:46:04 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MRORq-00044p-2N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:44:22 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MRORp-00044g-IE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:44:21 +0100 Received: from mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.100.53]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MRORm-0007GP-83 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:44:20 +0100 X-Trace: 230536733/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.106.89.175/None/g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.106.89.175 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Microsoft Office Outlook 11Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AigFABShXkpYalmv/2dsb2JhbACCKSsiATU8HocChQzAXAmEAgU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,410,1243810800"; d="scan'208,217";a="230536733" Received: from 88-106-89-175.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO asus) ([88.106.89.175]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 16 Jul 2009 11:44:16 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF -RSGB LF Group" Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:44:16 +0100 Message-ID: <000001ca0602$5e17a6b0$6401a8c0@asus> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcoGAl0dGhe1gp8mSva7wzePuvyc2A== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: G4WGT Grabbers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA060A.BFDC0EB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA060A.BFDC0EB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi LF, Sorry, the dongle sound card is giving problems again. The only solution is to replace it. The effected are grab 2 & grab 3 on my multi-grab page & the original grabber3 each derived from the JRC NRD-345. Got to go out now so I will set up a temporary sound card later. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO. I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA060A.BFDC0EB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi LF,

 

Sorry, the dongle= sound card is giving problems again. The only solution is to replace it.<= /font>

 

The effected are gr= ab 2 & grab 3 on my multi-grab page & the original grabber3 each derived from the JRC NRD-345.

 

Got to go out now= so I will set up a temporary sound card later.

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO.

 

 
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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01CA060A.BFDC0EB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df09.mx.aol.com (rly-df09.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.22]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDF073-5754a64565d3c3; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:35:12 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df09.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF092-5754a64565d3c3; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:34:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MSr7v-0004T6-QM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:33:51 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MSr7v-0004Sx-Ax for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:33:51 +0100 Received: from mail-yx0-f179.google.com ([209.85.210.179]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MSr7f-0005N6-5K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:33:36 +0100 Received: by yxe9 with SMTP id 9so3377387yxe.30 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 04:33:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Kkxhji4ERW2iOpdjDYoXeVE38+2Ho5FsHBF/9jom4uA=; b=ZSEaIkO+BkSdR24aNj06HLiSdHR8yMCF69z9cDxe1WkirZvtFOeE1MxfTI7ozwJuZj TG46umWAcPLtyShoMZ6eUy3eS/twx0yJcDf/yDtyISgxj2065mOfO80NTZD9kDEd1F2O Sj9lexZe7cck5RKon+F7S/z69rPbW29g055pg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=nEM/CXGEc6nBV7Gc9udHqToADbxtnJMCwOOFu4eqTnuWv1Zit8oW3RATsTouSv+oyN z2vrINGp615MKZ+AC4VevEI3y8nucCj3fDUXPcKl49YtRQQVfXsyznMzyoX4eSByvgTq y4n+vF1ePMAtIPP+/1+mwXFLRIOcT8xC5La7w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.47.10 with SMTP id z10mr5147339ybj.66.1248089620042; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 04:33:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <48C78C669EEE4647926DCB6256F0F7B5@ns94d01ae4d850> References: <48C78C669EEE4647926DCB6256F0F7B5@ns94d01ae4d850> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:33:40 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70907200433q4d650276k297081ef7ab92f57@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: XGJ 20-07.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m270.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Henny, Jean-Pierre, Thank you for the captures! -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2009/7/20 henny van elst : > Hello Warren,LF, > capture XGJ > Henny pa3cpm > best 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > XGJ 20-07.jpg > > Opmerking: Sommige e-mailprogramma's staan ter beveiliging tegen virussen > het verzenden of ontvangen van bepaalde bestandsbijlagen niet toe. > Controleer de beveiligingsinstellingen voor uw e-mail als u wilt weten hoe > bijlagen worden afgehandeld. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da03.mx.aol.com (rly-da03.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.77]) by air-da02.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDA021-a5a4a512eb213a; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 18:52:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA032-a5a4a512eb213a; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 18:52:38 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MNaYT-0007OL-D1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 23:51:29 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MNaYS-0007OC-W6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 23:51:28 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MNaYQ-0000qJ-Kk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 23:51:27 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3526.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 65A2C1C00084 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 00:51:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.110.69.68]) by mwinf3526.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id DDE471C00083 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 00:51:17 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090705225117909.DDE471C00083@mwinf3526.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <74457576A39B4944BC13231BD9349FDF@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <908B19DF06BE4ECEB3A61470A89BEFA8@Black><20090703100648.865C531E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be><20090703113546.640D731E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be>,<09DF43BF4A974C1D80DF9BC90E77B1E3@AGB> <20090705222604.dts0y3wg5cwo0c0w@webmail6.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20090705222604.dts0y3wg5cwo0c0w@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 23:51:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ok Rik, We closed just past 2300 local time , the noise level was very high , Im not sure if it was band conditions or the qth, a balanced , floating tuner for the loop ae might reduce the level , electrically it is a very noisy location. Thanks for the call G ... -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rik Strobbe" Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 9:26 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: RE: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS > > Graham, > > I called you once. > As it was already rather late (we're one hour ahead of UK), QRN level > was high and we already worked before I didn't insist. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Quoting Graham : > >> Thanks Rik >> >> Did you call us ? >> >> 73 Graham >> >> From: Rik Strobbe >> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:50 PM >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: LF: RE: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS >> >> Good 559 copy at 21:40 UTC >> EI0CF also 559 beaconing at the bottom end >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> ________________________________ >> Van: >> owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Graham >> [g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk] >> Verzonden: zaterdag 4 juli 2009 20:34 >> Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Onderwerp: LF: GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT ROUND 1930 ONWARDS >> >> GB4FPR 502.00 KHZ TONIGHT 4 july ROUND 1930 ONWARDS >> >> Operating on 502.00 khz cw , >> >> RX 502 kx +/- also rx on 3533 / 7033 cw - cross band >> >> Possibly operating till round 2400 hrs >> >> qsl GB4FPR@HOTMAIL.CO.UK >> >> Reports welcome >> >> Tnx- Graham >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.3/2216 - Release Date: >> 07/03/09 05:53:00 >> > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.4/2218 - Release Date: 07/04/09 > 17:55:00 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-md07.mx.aol.com (rly-md07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.145]) by air-md07.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMD072-9174a6072d0348; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:47:20 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD077-9174a6072d0348; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:47:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MRmp6-00026n-T7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:46:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MRmp6-00026e-DV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:46:00 +0100 Received: from mail-yx0-f179.google.com ([209.85.210.179]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MRmot-0007Iy-AL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:45:48 +0100 Received: by yxe9 with SMTP id 9so1317015yxe.30 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 05:45:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=44MKpY01l3wFPRdFPjzXmb/I+jIOlvVasj/ArZXOZaE=; b=MTeAlWNB/0JcVFvuIx2khVlsn0BzpfhGaqIVnT82qFaCTrx4ZFsLha5zV3nAc0ubtx cQor3KvNZtZuZ23mqsqFll1MxCCmRjJenvb0Sn3JLOiD2YP26PoGy2spMPWrxQcY3GPX Kjs/SSaJA9fxsq1MgJxQxaZf8xPgm+O42SvR8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=f3BgZhmbLnKxupxzYGVsHiK/QkbfOeCvZwuRDZ8Q3dvNpgcgqhiBuClCA8KEXiX0rn 1Umck6OilMMXM3Ia2HAqcNWWezHdrhifII9UW6UgBR4WdMx6Pov9lKscr6NVuJsPPfjW MNsbgarX9Frw7IqVQm3TlWQ0wliQ9yz8n/348= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.78.17 with SMTP id f17mr613327ybl.216.1247834747243; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 05:45:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:45:47 -0400 Message-ID: <57a24ca70907170545l2c3afbe7n1a6248d15616ed32@mail.gmail.com> From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: xgj 17-07.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d245.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Thanks Henny! -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 2009/7/17 henny van elst : > Hi Warren,Lf > traces XGJ > Henny pa3cpm > 73s > Het bericht kan nu met het volgende bijlagen of koppelingen worden > verzonden: > xgj 17-07.jpg > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (rly-dc07.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.36]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDC083-b324a705712af; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 10:05:10 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC076-b324a705712af; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 10:05:08 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MW9kt-0003H4-CW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:03:43 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MW9kq-0003Gv-TU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:03:40 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MW9km-0007g9-85 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:03:38 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEAPvyb0pcGsEA/2dsb2JhbACEcM9FhBEF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([92.26.193.0]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2009 15:03:07 +0100 Message-ID: <003801ca1055$4d80c630$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <57a24ca70907281257n52d8c1aaoe0bef46ee7f69dbc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:03:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: WD2XSH Modification Granted Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 The UK should qualify for two way ie 52nd STATE G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:57 PM Subject: LF: WD2XSH Modification Granted > The FCC today granted the requested modification for the WD2XSH > license, adding stations (there are now 42 vs 23 previously) and > extending the band to 495-510 kHz, still 20W ERP, cw, and PSK/MSK up > to 31 baud. > > However, the FCC declined the request for privileges to make two way > contacts with foreign amateurs. > > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/20 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.34/2268 - Release Date: 07/28/09 06:00:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-da06.mx.aol.com (rly-da06.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.80]) by air-da10.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDA101-a724a579ecfef; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:04:39 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da06.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA062-a724a579ecfef; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:04:32 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MPMJz-0005kx-Da for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:03:51 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MPMJy-0005ko-UX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:03:50 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.242] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MPMJw-0001L0-7o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:03:50 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEAFU7V0pZ8q4G/2dsb2JhbACEa8t0hAgF Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.242.174.6]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 21:03:40 +0100 Message-ID: <006401ca0199$85304e40$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <20090710193232.91924B8040@smtp.hushmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:03:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 MSG auto killed no signature g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 8:32 PM Subject: Re: LF: Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises > > > On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:19:07 +0000 mal hamilton >>We all managed to commumicate and navigate this past 100 years > > You might have, most of us aren't quite that old.... > > -- > Make a big mistake? 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.9/2228 - Release Date: 07/09/09 18:07:00 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg09.mx.aol.com (rly-mg09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.115]) by air-mg05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMG051-a344a64a842199; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:24:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg09.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG096-a344a64a842199; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:24:21 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MSwZo-0005BH-HX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:23:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MSwZo-0005B8-3b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:23:00 +0100 Received: from smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.29]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MSwZY-0007Ip-5s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:22:44 +0100 Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl (dovemail2.xs4all.nl [194.109.26.4]) by smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n6KHMpEO047851 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:22:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roelof@ndb.demon.nl) Received: from 82.161.81.65 (SquirrelMail authenticated user pa0rdt) by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:22:56 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <12821.82.161.81.65.1248110576.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:22:56 +0200 (CEST) From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: IC7200 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello all, I am looking for information on the LF receiver performance of the new ICOM IC7200 transceiver. There seems to be a review in the June issue of QST. I don't have direct access to QST. Is there someone who has access to QST and can tell me if anything has been said about receiver sensitivity below 500 kHz? Even better is there someone on this list with first hands experience? Thank you in advance. Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rly-df06.mx.aol.com (rly-df06.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.19]) by air-df07.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINDF073-5584a6ceb4123a; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:48:31 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df06.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF063-5584a6ceb4123a; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:48:20 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MVDR3-0006NB-Tg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 00:47:21 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MVDR3-0006N2-14 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 00:47:21 +0100 Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.146]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MVDQt-0005RI-Hz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 00:47:18 +0100 Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n6QNktEl004931 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:46:55 -0400 Received: from F4DTL@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.cf4.56cc77a6 (39330) for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:46:48 -0400 (EDT) From: F4DTL@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:46:47 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5029 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: EI0CF BEACON Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_cf4.56cc77a6.379e44e7_boundary" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --part1_cf4.56cc77a6.379e44e7_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1248652006" -------------------------------1248652006 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, EI0CF beacon is audible here. F4DTL Nicolas JN18FP RX : Icom IC7400 Ant: Wellbrook LFL 1010 _http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/_ (http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/) -------------------------------1248652006 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all, EI0CF beacon is audible here.
 
F4DTL=20 Nicolas JN18FP

RX : Icom IC7400
Ant: Wellbrook LFL 1010

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bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 08:49:35 -0230 Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 08:49:43 -0230 (NDT) From: jcraig@mun.ca X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <26379AECBF2643A4A7DF7102246EF677@JimPC> Message-ID: References: <26379AECBF2643A4A7DF7102246EF677@JimPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: 184.5093 kHz Beacon Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear Group, The beacon will resume operation this evening at 0001 UTC 01 Aug 2009, QRSS75 10 watts, 0.4 amps to 100m wire at 10m. 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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01CA09EB.A82BAE80" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01CA09EB.A82BAE80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave, LF, Thanks for your comments & capture, I have mailed you direct also with some screen shots. Cheers, Gary - G4WGT. _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB Sent: 20 July 2009 23:05 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: 504khz harmonic. Hi, Gary. It's not your Mini-Whip. I get the same effect on my "Tee" transmitting antenna. Argo screenshot attached. 73m Dave G3WCB IO91rM nr Windsor, S.E. England. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT Sent: 20 July 2009 11:13 To: LF -RSGB LF Group Subject: LF: 504khz harmonic. Hi All, Occasionally recently I have been seeing strange patterns around the harmonic line received on my SpecLab grabbers on 504kHz from the broadcast station at 252kHz. The patterns are not just seen using the Softrock SDR Rx but also with my JRC NRD-345, the only common device is the Mini-Whip active antenna. I seem to remember some while ago comments on this LF Forum regarding that station carrying out some experiments or tests involving digital data or something similar. I wonder if this is an effect of those tests as there were concerns that it may cause interference on the 500kHz amateur band. Capture attached. 73, Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO. I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01CA09EB.A82BAE80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Dave, LF,

 

Thanks for your comments & capture, I have mailed you direct also with so= me screen shots.

 

Cheers,

 

Gary – G4WGT.

 

From:= owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org] On Behalf Of D= ave G3WCB
Sent: 20 July 2009 23:0= 5
To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org
Subject: LF: RE: 504khz= harmonic.

 

Hi, Gary.

 

It's not your= Mini-Whip. I get the same effect on my "Tee" transmitting antenna. Argo screenshot att= ached.

 

73m Dave G3WCB= IO91rM nr Windsor, S.E. England.

-----Or= iginal Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org]On Behalf Of Ga= ry - G4WGT
Sent: 20 July 2009 11:1= 3
To: LF -RSGB LF Group
Subject: LF: 504khz har= monic.

Hi All,<= /span>

 

Occasionally recent= ly I have been seeing strange patterns around the harmonic line received on my SpecLab grabb= ers on 504kHz from the broadcast station at 252kHz.<= /b>

 

The patterns are no= t just seen using the Softrock SDR Rx but also with my JRC NRD-345, the only common device= is the Mini-Whip active antenna.

 

I seem to remember= some while ago comments on this LF Forum regarding that station carrying out some experiments= or tests involving digital data or something similar.<= /b>

 

I wonder if this is= an effect of those tests as there were concerns that it may cause interference on the 500= kHz amateur band.

 

Capture attached.

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO.

 

 

I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox= clean.

It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter

Hi Marcus, LF,

 

>You wrote :-

> Did you in= cidentally listen to the modulation on the fundamental?

 

Yes I did & I cannot detect any difference from the pattern being there= or not.

 

Cheers,

 

Gary – G4WGT.

From= : owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] On Behalf Of Markus Ves= ter
Sent: 20 July 2009 11:5= 0
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: 504khz= harmonic.

 

Hi Gary,

 

looks like some cool Techno bass track = on AM :-) Did you incidentally listen to the modulation on the fundamental?

 

73, Markus DF6= NM


-----Urspr=FCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
An: LF -RSGB LF Group <rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org>
Verschickt: Mo., 20. Jul. 2009, 12:12
Thema: LF: 504khz harmonic.

Hi All,

 

Occasionally recen= tly I have been seeing strange patterns around the harmonic line received on my SpecLab grabb= ers on 504kHz from the broadcast station at 252kHz.

 

The patterns are= not just seen using the Softrock SDR Rx but also with my JRC NRD-345, the only common device= is the Mini-Whip active antenna.

 

I seem to remember= some while ago comments on this LF Forum regarding that station carrying out some experiments= or tests involving digital data or something similar.

 

I= wonder if this is an effect of those tests as there were concerns that it may cause interference= on the 500kHz amateur band.

 

Capture attached.<= /span>

 

73,

 

Gary - G4WGT - IO83QO.

 

 

I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox= clean.

It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter

 

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